=== claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-34.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] does anyone have a clue how to use netatalk (appletalk for linux( [12:51] ) [01:38] mhb: did you upload your SoC code to google? [01:38] coreymon77: people still use appletalk? [01:38] coreymon77: it's just a daemon as far as I remember, you need macs to be clients (and I don't know if even mac OS still does appletalk) === Ash-Fox [n=N@host81-133-146-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [01:56] Riddell: you are wrong with both [01:56] Riddell: appletalk is still used [01:56] rarely, but yes [01:56] Riddell: and kubuntu can do it too [01:56] http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/index.html maybe? [01:56] i took a look there [01:56] but its all gibberish to me [01:56] all of the newer gen macs are just straight up tcp/ip...actually been that way for quite a few years now === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:00] they are [02:00] well then what is my brand new macbook doing using appletalk? [02:01] that's a good question, what does it use it for? [02:02] some file transfers === tvo_ [n=tobi@5356A6E4.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] well that is silly [02:02] AppleTalk is a proprietary suite of protocols developed by Apple Inc for computer networking. It was included in the original Macintosh (1984) and is now deprecated by Apple in favor of TCP/IP networking. [02:03] err, yes, there's bonjour and webdav and smb for that these days [02:03] it has been deprecated for over 5 years almost now [02:03] I'm sure they still implement it, but I doubt by default [02:03] it isn't anywhere on the iMac I have here [02:03] how can I access it coreymon77? I am a mactard [02:03] this isn't even my mac [02:04] $> locate appletalk [02:04] $> [02:04] nadda [02:05] I asked my buddy if I could borrow an iMac to see what all of te hype is with OS X...and so far...I am confused as all hell [02:05] I keep thinking I have closed/quit an app, but nooooooo, it just hides itself [02:05] ooh, biggest loser is on tv...back in a few === uga [n=ubuntu@131.Red-83-41-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Onyxyte_ [n=Onyxyte@r75-110-104-20.rmntcmtc01.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] guys, after spending some time googling, trying both feisty and gutsy live CDs with no luck to boot properly, I found the solution for my prob... [02:12] it's an asus board, p5k SE, with an Intel core2 quad, sata disk and DVD connected to IDE [02:12] the CD will start booting, but the process will stop later, complaining about not being able to access tty [02:13] the problem seems that, just like tons of other live CDs, they don't find the DVD drive [02:13] I found the solution on some google forum. It prompts for a error msg, but after that it keeps reading the DVD just fine and starts up [02:14] just added generic.generic_ide_all=1 to the boot menu, iirc === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-101.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] anyone knows what's it all about. Sorry for the lack of punctuation in my typing... my kb layout is seriously broken [02:16] I think it'd be quite interesting if the possible fix made it into the next live CDs... [02:28] anyway, if you want testing or information, you'll get me around at #kubuntu possibly, or privmsg me. I'm installing and rebooting soon so I'll part [02:29] else have fun. It's not my issue anymore ,) === uga [n=ubuntu@131.Red-83-41-141.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:43] for those of you who lurk in #kubuntu.. what would you say is the most frequent problem/asked question? [02:43] codecs :) [02:43] and video card drivers [02:44] ah, figures [02:45] there might be others. I don't do 24-hour shifts in there. stdin? :) [02:45] codecs, ntfs and wifi (in that order) [02:46] stdin: ntfs as in sharing an ntfs partition? [02:46] i didn't know wifi was still a major problem. is it managing connections or getting drivers to work? [02:47] as in "oh me, oh my, why can't I write to my windows partition!!!11?" :[ [02:47] lol [02:47] hahah [02:48] wifi is probably the 2nd most frequent issue, especially when for some reason they just can't get a wired connection either [02:49] but my #1 factoid is !mp3 [02:49] my #2 would be ati/nvidia.. I rarely get/field the ntfs and wireless questions... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] oh compiz/beryl would be 4th or 5th I think... [02:50] I've seen 3 in the last couple hours [02:51] like I said, I don't do 24-hour shifts :) [02:51] actually, RE the driver page, the question normally is "Where is "System Administration Restricted Devices Manager" " [02:51] even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" [02:51] which of course wouldn't exist in KDE/Kubuntu [02:51] and I know it's there, I put it there :p [02:52] seele: oh btw, how's the HIG coming along? [02:52] but that's the state of the whole help.u.c and wiki.u.c, all gnomeified [02:52] even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" <--- follow instructions for Ubuntu? [02:52] i dunno.. i havent touched it since June to finish my graduate thesis [02:52] and how's your thesis coming along? :) [02:52] Jucato: there are no "Kubuntu" instructions, just "Ubuntu 6.10" [02:52] it's the Wordpress help thing right? [02:53] oh... [02:53] it's "finished".. hopefully i'm turning it in this week if my advisor ever gets back to me on a meeting [02:53] yay! \o/\o/ [02:53] no, the wordpress thing was google summer of code [02:53] my thesis is more information architecture related.. [02:53] ah ok.. haha mixed them up. sorry :) [02:53] i developed a new protocol for a common data gathering protocol and verified it through experimentation === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] standard academic bull--- [02:54] lol [02:54] moin Hobbsee! how was sleep? :) [02:56] hiya Jucato [02:56] Jucato: not long enough :P [02:57] hehe I thought so :) === daSkreech [n=chatzill@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N753P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-61-86.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] Lure: ping [05:04] allee: ^ === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-015-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] howdy Hobbsee [05:09] hi nixternal [05:09] howdy nixternal [05:09] howdy Hobbsee [05:09] wasabi Jucato [05:09] for you cat and mac lovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YNhs-RSs4 [05:09] hahah [05:09] hm... suddenly I have a craving for sushi... [05:09] hi Jucato [05:15] it is a warm one here in chicago tonight [05:15] opposite here === daSkreech waves at people [05:17] my favorite time of the year is coming...pretty much the best thing about the US...is the fall === nixternal waves back [05:17] The fall of the US ? [05:18] daSkreech: it is happening slowly [05:18] :) === manchicken_ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ [n=me@N753P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === am8110lt2 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-017-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:24] Lure: recurring ping @ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/139563 [06:24] Launchpad bug 139563 in libgphoto2 "Wish: libgphoto2 2.4.0 for Gusty: Testers needed" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [06:24] ( as in, please pong me about this when i get back) [06:28] Lunch? === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] work [06:29] hmm. i should find lunch though. === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] bah nixternal and his math problems page! [07:03] http://projecteuler.net ? === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] daSkreech: yeah that's the one [07:07] trying to make a sieve of eratothenes in python === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:16] :) === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54956A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] Riddell: of course === Jucato wonders what that was replying to :) [08:34] you are a lot like daSkreech, it seems... :) [08:34] am not! [08:34] :P [08:35] Alright forget this [08:35] Clamav has been scanning for 5 hours [08:35] go to sleep! [08:36] Sleeeeeeeeeeeeep === daSkreech gives Jucato http://shingakunet.com/special/10054301/0285/index.html === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Jucato mindlessly clicks the link... === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:38] lol === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:40] Jucato: the order you put them on affects how they grow [08:40] Night :) [08:40] yeah heheh [08:40] good night! :) === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-76-182.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-173-140.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-78-207.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:30] <_StefanS_> mornings! [09:30] _StefanS_!!! [09:31] <_StefanS_> hey you're up ! [09:31] <_StefanS_> :D [09:31] <_StefanS_> isn't it late ? [09:31] your psychic powers were wrong yesterday btw :) [09:31] <_StefanS_> hehe [09:31] <_StefanS_> :) [09:31] late in the afternoon? yes [09:31] <_StefanS_> wasnt sure about the time difference, its 09.31 in the morning here [09:32] 6 hours [09:32] <_StefanS_> ah ok, thats not much [09:32] exactly 6 hours :) [09:32] just hit 15:32 heheh [09:32] <_StefanS_> then I would get off work :) [09:33] heheh [09:33] see you later then? :) [09:33] <_StefanS_> well.. I'm getting the last of the hardware I ordered today, so I cant wait to assemble the whole thing [09:33] <_StefanS_> hehe [09:34] hehe you're like a child playing with lego [09:34] <_StefanS_> something like that heeh [09:34] <_StefanS_> I liked lego back in the day also [09:34] me too [09:34] <_StefanS_> even won a few prices as a kid ;) [09:34] and I was soooo frustrated I couldn't make them transform :( === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:35] <_StefanS_> :) [09:35] <_StefanS_> so any kubuntu related news? [09:35] hm... notice how boring it is without Riddell? :) [09:35] _StefanS_: not much if you read The Elephant ... :o) hehe [09:36] <_StefanS_> when is he back btw? [09:36] _StefanS_: (jokingly referring to my blogpost at planet) [09:36] _StefanS_: a week or so [09:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: lemme read it :) === Jucato just suddenly remembered to subscribe to ubuntu-devel... [09:36] it's one of mhb's few blog posts. so read it well :) [09:36] <_StefanS_> I cant find it. [09:37] Martin Bhm? [09:37] the elephant? [09:37] :o) [09:37] Martin Bhm the elephant? O.o [09:37] doesn't sound funky hehehe [09:37] Jucato: I wish. [09:38] <_StefanS_> I think the article got expired in akregator actually.. [09:38] mhb: btw, were you able to come in when both Riddell and manchicken were around? they slightly discussed the package manager issue [09:38] it's just new [09:38] why would akregator kill it? unless it doesn't like mhb or elephants :P [09:38] <_StefanS_> I use expiry to keep the db kinda small [09:39] aaah === Jucato looooves keeping feeds for weeks :) [09:39] but my mail directory far exceeds it in size [09:39] <_StefanS_> did anyone else notice fonts just got alot fuzzier with todays updates? [09:40] I haven't restarted since the upgrades, but according to #ubuntu-devel and Hobbsee, yest [09:40] freetype update [09:40] <_StefanS_> hmjm [09:40] Jucato: no, was it today on this channel? [09:41] <_StefanS_> I sure hope subpixel hinting is still enabled [09:41] <_StefanS_> dont see why it wasn't previously... [09:41] mhb: approximately 15 hours ago? [09:41] I hate not being able to understand/see/notice all those fonts and subtle graphics stuff [09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what do you mean? [09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on your lcd it should be very visible with antialias/hinting [09:43] when people start talking about the subtleties of fonts, I don't notice those at once [09:43] you'd have to hit me on the head with a size 72 san serif font first [09:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: right now, the fonts got "colored" in the edges [09:43] sans* [09:43] <_StefanS_> uhm k [09:43] maybe because my default font size is 8 so they're too small to notice? [09:43] <_StefanS_> nope, I run 8 aswell [09:43] or maybe because I haven't restarted KDE yet [09:43] Uptime: 8 hours and 23 minutes [09:44] since I woke up :) [09:44] <_StefanS_> start a new app now, and compare to the previous konqueror or something [09:44] <_StefanS_> you can easily see the difference [09:44] nada... get that size 72 ready to hit me :) [09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, find your glasses [09:45] Jucato: thanks, haven't read it [09:45] I've been wearing them all day :) === Jucato is near sighted.. so this is a bit weird... [09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, I borrowed some glasses from a dealer because I thought my vision got kinda bad in the past 1-2 years. [09:45] <_StefanS_> well.. [09:45] _StefanS_: this incapability to notice these things irks me to no small degree :( [09:46] Riddell: why do we want to code The Future Kubunt Package Manager in Python? Package manager gets run quite often, so it may be more useful to code it in C++. [09:46] <_StefanS_> when I got the glasses on, everything just zoomed 10% up, and I had no vision in the surroundings [09:46] as someone very intersted in computer graphics and GUIs (and usability) this is annoying.. [09:46] mhb: I thought you wanted to write it in Python? O.o [09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: +1 for that thought. [09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: although you can maybe use python as glue . === Jucato must have misunderstood "works across GNOME and KDE" as "Python" [09:48] <_StefanS_> I think "Add/Remove programs"/"Manage Packages"/"Adept Updater" is just confusing since its the same program [09:49] <_StefanS_> I never know which one to choose :) [09:49] Add/Remove Programs is the one I want to go.. but that can't happen until Adept Manager's UI improves a bit [09:49] well Adept Updater is self-explanatory.. :P [09:49] <_StefanS_> yes, but what if you want to run Adept Updater manually? without having the notifier icon ? [09:49] Add/Remove-Adept Installer and Adept Manager are the ones most confusing to users [09:49] <_StefanS_> please enlighten me. [09:49] adept_updater [09:49] Jucato: gtkmm perhaps? But you are right, it is easier to work with a language like Python when ti [09:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: from the menu ?? :) [09:50] Adept Manager? :) [09:50] when creating a KDE/GNOME portable app [09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hehe just my point. [09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Adept Manager for updates? :) [09:50] <_StefanS_> its broken. [09:50] Adept Manager for Everything :) [09:50] my opinion: do a Common Package Manager for KDE and GNOME, then talk with Ubuntuers about it [09:51] <_StefanS_> yes! +1 for that [09:51] <_StefanS_> and slap a gui on top. === Jucato I still stand by my earlier opinion (emphasis on opinion) that not everything has to be "shared"... [09:51] <_StefanS_> for kde and gnome [09:51] it being Manager/Add/remove and so on === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:51] if you could find a way to do that in C/C++ all the better :P [09:51] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. I need to fix a bug in knm [09:51] one that doesn't use D-Bus? :) [09:51] <_StefanS_> D-Butt [09:52] <_StefanS_> just kidding.. dbus is one of the better things that happened to linux in the past years [09:52] you know.. it would be nice if there was a time when something new/innovative came from Kubuntu and then Ubuntu had to catch up with it :) [09:52] we really look like playing catch up with Ubuntu for most of our users... [09:52] well not most maybe.. some [09:52] <_StefanS_> got any ideas to put behind it ? :) [09:53] Jucato: aren't we? [09:53] <_StefanS_> or to back it I mean ;) [09:53] proof? [09:53] ideas to back the "Kubuntu is playing catch up"? [09:53] <_StefanS_> ideas for innovative stuff [09:53] <_StefanS_> yes [09:53] still thinking... [09:53] I don't want to be throwing ideas that are technically impossible :) [09:54] mhb: we are... most of the time... whether that's good or not. I don't know :) [09:55] Jucato: just teach the Ubuntu devs to write portable apps [09:55] or ask them to invite us to work on it simultaneously? but I guess were too shorthanded for that.. [09:55] Jucato: so that writing a KDE frontend doesn't mean reshuffling the core of the app [09:56] I guess we're lucky a lot is being made with Python... [09:57] is it possible to find out whether a library is present in ubuntu-desktop? [09:57] even though it is not directly dependent on it [10:02] Jucato: and I think the fact that we're lacking has a lot to do with us being a community project [10:03] Jucato: who can step up and say "Oh, I've implemented a crucial feature for Kubuntu Gutsy that was in Ubuntu previously, and I haven't been paid for it?" [10:03] I can't [10:03] I think that fact is lost in transmission over to the users.... :( [10:04] (great! export to gallery suddenly doesn't work...) === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@168-160.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:04] (well not suddenly.. haven't tried since edgy..) === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] Jucato: you'll be my hero if you wrote a spec for Kubuntu Hardy and managed to implement it without any financial gain from it === larsivi [n=larsivi@85.221.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] I'll be my own hero if I could write a spec. period :) [10:08] Jucato: ^^ that is what needs to be done in order to be in level with Ubuntu. We can a) either build a community so strong that it does that or b) somehow get Canonical to support KDE more. === innovati_ [n=innovati@d38-133-139.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:08] Jucato: and I'm not sure which idea is more absurd :o) [10:08] b) would be a dream come true :) [10:10] Heya - X crash at startup (after the last few updates and me testing connecting an external monitor) - seems to be a problem in the intel driver [10:10] at least the backtrace suggests so [10:11] larsivi: good to know! But there's little we Kubuntuers can do, better file a bug about it. [10:12] hmpf ;P === rraphink is now known as raphink === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:19] but lynx won't let me log on to launcpad :D [10:20] no? === jpetso [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] maybe it's my problem, I can do it on this computer in any case [10:22] Riddell: Has apport got an icon? [10:23] Riddell: it would be useful to do a .desktop file for apport, so that when it needs the additional privileges, it shows an icon. [10:28] Riddell: also, something like http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4962/apportcrashtz7.png was implemented for kdesudo, too bad you haven't made use for it. === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:30] Riddell: I apologize for bugging you that much while you're on holiday, I guess we can leave it for Hardy [10:33] mhb: bug 137225 - It is related to KDE/Kubuntu as it is the KDE system settings/monitor section that mess up xorg.conf [10:33] Launchpad bug 137225 in xorg "[gutsy] [regression] xorg crashes with segfault after having used displayconfig-gtk to set up a second display (new "intel" driver)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137225 === larsivi_ [n=larsivi@85.221.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@221.201.63.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:21] <_StefanS_> mhb: I saw the elephant now, like the wallpaper :) [11:22] <_StefanS_> mhb: a bit dark maybe, but that can probably be adjusted a bit [11:26] _StefanS_: sure, that could be adjusted. Do you like it more than the current gutsy wallpaper? [11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep, I think this one has more weight that a few strokes on a blue background [11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: also signals some humanism to it i think [11:27] <_StefanS_> even though its elephant skin ;) [11:27] _StefanS_: I like the idea, too [11:28] _StefanS_: hmm, checked the release schedule, it seems tomorrow's the final artwork deadline. [11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: push push push.. :) [11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: ask kwwii_ and so on [11:30] _StefanS_: heh, I would love to push it, but I don't think Ken could be convinced, he designed the current wallpaper, after all. [11:30] <_StefanS_> yes I knoiw [11:31] and he has already seen the wallpaper, so I guess he hasn't got as much enthusiasm on pushing it as I do (that is understandable, I'm not a graphic artist) [11:33] <_StefanS_> well.. [11:34] <_StefanS_> maybe it could be included as an optional wallpaper in /usr/share/ maybe [11:34] _StefanS_: I think there will be a Universe package of the proposed Ubuntu wallpapers. Not sure if it will work for Kubuntu. [11:35] <_StefanS_> uhm ok.. === apachelogger_ [n=me@N725P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] _StefanS_: perhaps we could konvince (heh) kwwii_ to do a animal-based wallpaper for Hardy, or just reuse this one :o) [11:37] <_StefanS_> oh that might be the way to go, since its open for suggestions === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] mhb: I don't know if it has an icon, I suspect not [11:55] mhb: patches welcome of course === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [12:00] Riddell: okay, will do some for Hardy. === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] hi. [12:04] a question : what do i need to copy to transfer my kwallet from a pc to another? [12:04] marseillai: .kde/share/apps/kwallet/* I think === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] kwwii: have you seen my discussion with _StefanS_ before you changed from kwwii_ to kwwii? Also, have you seen the comments at the blog post I asked permission for? http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/the-elephant-rocks/ [12:42] kwwii: I just wanted to show that people seem to like the animal-related background idea. [12:42] feel free to ignore me, naturally :o) [12:43] mhb: yeah, I saw that...a few issues though [12:43] 1) those backgrounds are only 1280x1024 [12:44] that being the most important part...I was going to include them in the default wallpaper set (not set as default, but always installed) [12:44] but because they are not big enough it won't work [12:45] personally, I like the elephant bg as well, but it is a bit too dirty looking for a default wallpaper [12:45] and we had a long discussion about using animal stuff [12:45] with abstract pics we have no worries about cultural connotations [12:46] whereas with something specific like an animal we do not know how different cultures will view them [12:49] kwwii: ah, thanks for the clarifications. I am not sure about the culture clash, we already have a name that is very culture-based and it is foreign especially in the Western parts of the world, but it doesn't seem to stop Ubuntu user adoption. [12:52] kwwii: anyway, thank you very much for the information. See you later! === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] hey [01:12] Riddell: just reuploaded kdebase with the final fix the the $kdehome thing, it was not good as $kdehome=$HOME/.kde and we used $HOME/$kdehome [01:12] Riddell: we should not have a home/ folder coming in the $home now :) [01:13] Riddell: I also started triaging the milestone bugs for the beta release [01:13] Riddell: I looked at this bug : [01:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123808 [01:13] Launchpad bug 123808 in network-manager-applet "NetworkManager Applet should not be started on LTSP Thin Clients" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:14] Riddell: shouldn't we also patch knetworkmanager not to start on ltsp clients ? [01:16] I guess so === Riddell out === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] Riddell: I'll do this [01:18] mmmmmmmmm [01:19] is it normal that I have a home/user directory in my user directory in gutsy ? [01:25] marseillai: will be fixed with next kdebase upload [01:26] oki Tonio_ === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-70.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === engin [n=engin@193.140.73.75] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_! [01:48] yop _StefanS_ :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.102.46] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] nixternal: wouldn't fall in the US only apply to the north east? [02:46] maybe way north too.. like the bordering states [02:51] mhb: you could make a separate kubuntu one, or add it to the ubuntu wallpapers one === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.85.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] Tonio_: knetworkmanager 0.2.1 should be soon - not sure if we should pick-up bug fixes from svn before [03:10] Hobbsee: did not get from libgphoto2 that you are also release team ;-) [03:11] Lure: ah. i'm on both teams, yes :) [03:11] Hobbsee: and that you can also +1 for main freeze exceptions ;-) [03:11] indeed. [03:11] Hobbsee: it seems dholbach uploaded it [03:11] cool [03:11] btw, are daily cds any good? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] no idea. i odubt it [03:13] Heya [03:14] hi bddebian! [03:14] Hi Jucato === jpetso [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.85.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] Lure: hum, depends on the changesz [03:27] Tonio_: just bug fixes === mendred_ [n=mendred@59.93.85.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] Lure: afaik, the current version works like a charm for most people ;) [03:28] Lure: okay so maybe we should just wait for the official release, as long as it is not too late :) [03:28] Tonio_: check this thread http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-September/000212.html [03:29] Tonio_: even _StefanS_ replied [03:29] Lure: super, will read this, thanks :) === Zanav59 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-f53149fee13d971f] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] morning :) === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech_ [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech_ is now known as daSkreech === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.213.193.235] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.85.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.213.193.235] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] seele: that is true about fall...fall in chicago is really nothing more than the construction workers taking a day or 2 off...the leaves here go from green, to red, to gone in a matter of days [04:35] nixternal: i figured out that question i emailed you about [04:36] ya, cuz you had me stumped with it [04:37] let me look at the change i made hold on [04:38] instaed of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions im using /lib/lsb/init-functions [04:38] and it works w/o any problems [04:38] Anybody else having some problems with the KDE sound system lately? [04:39] brb === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] That's better. [04:44] I always have a problem with the sound system, but that isn't KDE's fault, it is *buntu's in general === Hobbsee no longer uses her demon-posessed w.r.t sound laptop, and has perfect sound. === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] manchicken: have you seen marseillai's question for you in #kubuntu ? [04:48] Jucato_: Naw, could you tell me what it is? [04:48] it's about adept and auto-clean === Jucato_ pokes marseillai [04:48] hi manchicken [04:48] :) [04:48] hi manchicken, hi marseillai [04:48] No I'm not, but thanks for asking :) [04:48] heh [04:48] What's goin' on? [04:49] manchicken: in fact i remember (but may be i'm wrong) see in adept a feature wich allow to set a time for apt-get autoclean. but i can't find it anymore in adept gutsy === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] I do not remember such a function. [04:54] so [04:54] If it is there it'd probably be in the notifier. [04:54] it's me [04:55] Unfortunately :) [04:55] :) [04:55] yes Jucato_ i must be crazy [04:56] nah you're not. Adept is :) [04:58] oh, bugger. anyone done a security fix before? [04:59] No, it's marseillai, I'm pretty sure. [04:59] Hobbsee: What manner of security fix? [05:00] CVE-2007-4569 [05:00] manchicken: ^ [05:00] Sorry, I don't know how to look that one up === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-78-207.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] ubotu: CVE-2007-4569 [05:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about cve-2007-4569 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [05:00] damned bot. [05:00] it usually looks up cve [05:00] s [05:01] oh, here. http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt [05:01] thanks for not blaming me too much Jucato ! :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:02] Oh, okay, so there's already a fix. [05:02] yes [05:02] Sounds like a pretty simple solution then :) [05:03] manchicken: i was more meaning for SRU's. === manchicken isn't familiar with "SRU" either... [05:03] manchicken: stable release updates. [05:03] well, stable releases in particular [05:06] Hi Hobbsee. You've ping me, but I didn't get why :-0 [05:06] Hobbsee: I have done a few security fixes now [05:06] KTorrent, Smb4k, and some other ones [05:06] allee: only in conjunction with lure about the libghoto2 getting approved. [05:07] hi allee [05:07] nixternal: were you wanting to handle it for dapper --> gutsy? [05:08] allee: do you plan to backport fixes for digikam? if you pass me the list from gilles I can maybe find some time over weekend to work on this [05:08] I can do that...does it have to be done right now, or can it wait a couple of hours...the feminine side has come out in me, and I feel like going shopping for clothes and shoes :) [05:08] Hobbsee: Ah. Don't know about that one. [05:08] allee: btw, did you see decision on dcraw license - it looks good === nixternal waits for some sarcasm at the low blow to the stereotype [05:08] Hobbsee: I don't think anybody's crazy enough to let me drive one of those. [05:08] nixternal: haha. you crazy bloke :) [05:08] manchicken: right [05:08] hehe [05:09] nixternal: There's no stereotype, we all know your feminine side is pretty much all there is :P [05:09] is that cool though Hobbsee...it will only take a few minutes to get them all done [05:09] damn manchicken, I didn't want everyone to know [05:09] Hobbsee: ok [05:09] Lure: hi [05:09] well, it looks as if the x-wife, daughter and I, may move (back) to Europe in the upcoming years [05:10] nixternal: fine by me, i'm intending to go to bed. [05:10] so, sometime next year, if I am up for it, who wants to give me a job? [05:10] I clean toilets better than anyone else! [05:10] Lure: great, currently are more than usual busy times. I'll sent you the mail [05:11] alrighty, going shopping..when I get back I will get those fixes done [05:11] allee: ok, will look into it if family allows ;-) [05:11] nixternal: you might be heading back to europe? [05:11] Lure: about dcraw: seen it. It's great that it will go in. Otherwise most of kde gfx apps would be blocked (libkdcraw uses 8.7x in svn already) === Lure -> home -> bbl === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech_ [n=chatzill@port0034-afo-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech_ is now known as daSkreech === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@N725P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske_ [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956A04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB1BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:41] nixternal: um, sorry to interrupt, but what exactly is "pervasive availability"? === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mluser-work [n=mluser-w@208.178.12.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] Is anyone else having problems with the latest knetwork-manager update? === \sh_away is now known as \sh === milian [n=milian@p57BB1BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo_ is now known as tvo === Zanav [i=top@gateway/tor/x-57b020b5702a72d5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-70.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian_ [n=milian@p57BB0075.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile1 [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile1 is now known as aplg|mobile === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@M3128P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech_ [n=chatzill@port0034-afo-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-77-212.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai === ubuntu-laptop [n=ubuntu-l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180074129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian__ [n=milian@p57BB0075.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian_ [n=milian@p57BB0075.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB41.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@154-131.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180074129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian__ [n=milian@p57BB0075.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@M3128P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] mhb: hey, where can i find that shiny elephant wallpaper you blogged about? [11:07] Wouldn't it whoop ass if you could just use the compositing in compiz with emerald without losing the functionality of kwin? === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] is emerald different from kde-window-decorator ? [11:07] the compisiting that is? [11:08] fdoving: The big difference to me is the library of themes. [11:08] ah, yeah. [11:08] And even using kde-window-decorator you still lose kwin functionality. [11:08] kde-window-decorator just isn't worth the trouble to me. [11:08] None of the pretty with all of the sucky. [11:09] Yes, loosing the funcionality of the kwin is the biggest problem of compiz fusion for me. [11:09] i got tired of the compiz a while ago. [11:09] Yes. [11:09] it's not that nice to my powertop numbers :) [11:10] I hope KDE4 will solve :"my problem". ;-) [11:10] I think compiz brings some useful functionality to the table. The grouping&tabbing windows thing is sweet. [11:10] And there's no denying the performance of compositing. === jjesse [n=jjesse@76.212.61.86] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:11] I played KDE4 beta2 and I saw kwin_composite has what I needed. [11:11] Unfortunatley compiz fusion has a better performance on my machine. [11:12] However KDE4 under development... [11:12] did you compile with any performace options? [11:12] kde4 that is. [11:12] Nope. [11:13] still hope then :) [11:13] I just installed the kde4 beta2 packages which provided by kubuntu developers for gutsy. [11:13] not sure which options are used there. [11:14] I just want some of the neat functionality and the performance. I don't want it to remove the kwin functionality that I know and love. [11:14] Yes, me too. [11:15] And I don't want to switch to gnome, because maybe compiz works better on gnome. [11:15] I hear it does. [11:15] But then I still lose the functionality. [11:16] And compiz is a PITA to configure. [11:16] I use too much kde application, which has better functionality than the gnome counterpart. [11:16] Amarok, kontact, basket, digikam, gwenview, konsole... [11:16] Just some example... [11:17] Mmmmm... basket... [11:17] My favorite! [11:17] kontact & basket alone are reasons I'll never be able to use anything outside of KDE. === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] I have a lot of notes in my basket. [11:17]