[12:51] <coreymon77> does anyone have a clue how to use netatalk (appletalk for linux(
[12:51] <coreymon77> )
[01:38] <Riddell> mhb: did you upload your SoC code to google?
[01:38] <Riddell> coreymon77: people still use appletalk?
[01:38] <Riddell> coreymon77: it's just a daemon as far as I remember, you need macs to be clients (and I don't know if even mac OS still does appletalk)
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: you are wrong with both
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: appletalk is still used
[01:56] <nixternal> rarely, but yes
[01:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: and kubuntu can do it too
[01:56] <stdin> http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/index.html maybe?
[01:56] <coreymon77> i took a look there
[01:56] <coreymon77> but its all gibberish to me
[01:56] <nixternal> all of the newer gen macs are just straight up tcp/ip...actually been that way for quite a few years now
[02:00] <coreymon77> they are
[02:00] <coreymon77> well then what is my brand new macbook doing using appletalk?
[02:01] <Riddell> that's a good question, what does it use it for?
[02:02] <coreymon77> some file transfers
[02:02] <nixternal> well that is silly
[02:02] <nixternal> AppleTalk is a proprietary suite of protocols developed by Apple Inc for computer networking. It was included in the original Macintosh (1984) and is now deprecated by Apple in favor of TCP/IP networking.
[02:03] <Riddell> err, yes, there's bonjour and webdav and smb for that these days
[02:03] <nixternal> it has  been deprecated for over 5 years almost now
[02:03] <stdin> I'm sure they still implement it, but I doubt by default
[02:03] <nixternal> it isn't anywhere on the iMac I have here
[02:03] <nixternal> how can I access it coreymon77? I am a mactard
[02:03] <nixternal> this isn't even my mac
[02:04] <nixternal> $> locate appletalk
[02:04] <nixternal> $>
[02:04] <nixternal> nadda
[02:05] <nixternal> I asked my buddy if I could borrow an iMac to see what all of te hype is with OS X...and so far...I am confused as all hell
[02:05] <nixternal> I keep thinking I have closed/quit an app, but nooooooo, it just hides itself
[02:05] <nixternal> ooh, biggest loser is on tv...back in a few
[02:12] <uga> guys, after spending some time googling, trying both feisty and gutsy live CDs with no luck to boot properly, I found the solution for my prob...
[02:12] <uga> it's an asus board, p5k SE, with an Intel core2 quad, sata disk and DVD connected to IDE
[02:12] <uga> the CD will start booting, but the process will stop later, complaining about not being able to access tty
[02:13] <uga> the problem seems that, just like tons of other live CDs, they don't find the DVD drive
[02:13] <uga> I found the solution on some google forum. It prompts for a error msg, but after that it keeps reading the DVD just fine and starts up
[02:14] <uga> just added generic.generic_ide_all=1 to the boot menu, iirc
[02:15] <uga> anyone knows what's it all about. Sorry for the lack of punctuation in my typing... my kb layout is seriously broken
[02:16] <uga> I think it'd be quite interesting if the possible fix made it into the next live CDs...
[02:28] <uga> anyway, if you want testing or information, you'll get me around at #kubuntu possibly, or privmsg me. I'm installing and rebooting soon so I'll part
[02:29] <uga> else have fun. It's not my issue anymore ,)
[02:43] <seele> for those of you who lurk in #kubuntu.. what would you say is the most frequent problem/asked question?
[02:43] <Jucato> codecs :)
[02:43] <Jucato> and video card drivers
[02:44] <seele> ah, figures
[02:45] <Jucato> there might be others. I don't do 24-hour shifts in there. stdin? :)
[02:45] <stdin> codecs, ntfs and wifi (in that order)
[02:46] <seele> stdin: ntfs as in sharing an ntfs partition?
[02:46] <seele> i didn't know wifi was still a major problem.  is it managing connections or getting drivers to work?
[02:47] <stdin> as in "oh me, oh my, why can't I write to my windows partition!!!11?" :[
[02:47] <seele> lol
[02:47] <Jucato> hahah
[02:48] <stdin> wifi is probably the 2nd most frequent issue, especially when for some reason they just can't get a wired connection either
[02:49] <stdin> but my #1 factoid is !mp3
[02:49] <Jucato> my #2 would be ati/nvidia.. I rarely get/field the ntfs and wireless questions...
[02:50] <Jucato> oh compiz/beryl would be 4th or 5th I think...
[02:50] <stdin> I've seen 3 in the last couple hours
[02:51] <Jucato> like I said, I don't do 24-hour shifts :)
[02:51] <stdin> actually, RE the driver page, the question normally is "Where is "System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager" "
[02:51] <stdin> even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10"
[02:51] <Jucato> which of course wouldn't exist in KDE/Kubuntu
[02:51] <stdin> and I know it's there, I put it there :p
[02:52] <Jucato> seele: oh btw, how's the HIG coming along?
[02:52] <stdin> but that's the state of the whole help.u.c and wiki.u.c, all gnomeified
 even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" <--- follow instructions for Ubuntu?
[02:52] <seele> i dunno.. i havent touched it since June to finish my graduate thesis
[02:52] <Jucato> and how's your thesis coming along? :)
[02:52] <stdin> Jucato: there are no "Kubuntu" instructions, just "Ubuntu 6.10"
[02:52] <Jucato> it's the Wordpress help thing right?
[02:53] <Jucato> oh...
[02:53] <seele> it's "finished".. hopefully i'm turning it in this week if my advisor ever gets back to me on a meeting
[02:53] <Jucato> yay! \o/\o/
[02:53] <seele> no, the wordpress thing was google summer of code
[02:53] <seele> my thesis is more information architecture related..
[02:53] <Jucato> ah ok.. haha mixed them up. sorry :)
[02:53] <seele> i developed a new protocol for a common data gathering protocol and verified it through experimentation
[02:53] <seele> standard academic bull---
[02:54] <Jucato> lol
[02:54] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! how was sleep? :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not long enough :P
[02:57] <Jucato> hehe I thought so :)
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping
[05:04] <Hobbsee> allee: ^
[05:08] <nixternal> howdy Hobbsee
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[05:09] <Jucato> howdy nixternal
[05:09] <Jucato> howdy Hobbsee
[05:09] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[05:09] <Jucato> for you cat and mac lovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YNhs-RSs4
[05:09] <Jucato> hahah
[05:09] <Jucato> hm... suddenly I have a craving for sushi...
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[05:15] <nixternal> it is a warm one here in chicago tonight
[05:15] <Jucato> opposite here
[05:17] <nixternal> my favorite time of the year is coming...pretty much the best thing about the US...is the fall
[05:17] <daSkreech> The fall of the US ?
[05:18] <nixternal> daSkreech: it is happening slowly
[05:18] <nixternal> :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: recurring ping @ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/139563
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139563 in libgphoto2 "Wish: libgphoto2 2.4.0 for Gusty: Testers needed" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ( as in, please pong me about this when i get back)
[06:28] <daSkreech> Lunch?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> work
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i should find lunch though.
[06:58] <n8k99> bah nixternal and his math problems page!
[07:03] <daSkreech> http://projecteuler.net ?
[07:05] <n8k99> daSkreech: yeah that's the one
[07:07] <n8k99> trying to make a sieve of eratothenes in python
[07:16] <nixternal> :)
[08:33] <mhb> Riddell: of course
[08:34] <Jucato> you are a lot like daSkreech, it seems... :)
[08:34] <daSkreech> am not!
[08:34] <Jucato> :P
[08:35] <daSkreech> Alright forget this
[08:35] <daSkreech> Clamav has been scanning for 5 hours
[08:35] <Jucato> go to sleep!
[08:36] <daSkreech> Sleeeeeeeeeeeeep
[08:38] <Jucato> lol
[08:40] <daSkreech> Jucato: the order you put them on affects how they grow
[08:40] <daSkreech> Night :)
[08:40] <Jucato> yeah heheh
[08:40] <Jucato> good night! :)
[09:30] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[09:30] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!!
[09:31] <_StefanS_> hey you're up !
[09:31] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:31] <_StefanS_> isn't it late ?
[09:31] <Jucato> your psychic powers were wrong yesterday btw :)
[09:31] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:31] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:31] <Jucato> late in the afternoon? yes
[09:31] <_StefanS_> wasnt sure about the time difference, its 09.31 in the morning here
[09:32] <Jucato> 6 hours
[09:32] <_StefanS_> ah ok, thats not much
[09:32] <Jucato> exactly 6 hours :)
[09:32] <Jucato> just hit 15:32 heheh
[09:32] <_StefanS_> then I would get off work :)
[09:33] <Jucato> heheh
[09:33] <Jucato> see you later then? :)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> well.. I'm getting the last of the hardware I ordered today, so I cant wait to assemble the whole thing
[09:33] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:34] <Jucato> hehe you're like a child playing with lego
[09:34] <_StefanS_> something like that heeh
[09:34] <_StefanS_> I liked lego back in the day also
[09:34] <Jucato> me too
[09:34] <_StefanS_> even won a few prices as a kid ;)
[09:34] <Jucato> and I was soooo frustrated I couldn't make them transform :(
[09:35] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:35] <_StefanS_> so any kubuntu related news?
[09:35] <Jucato> hm... notice how boring it is without Riddell? :)
[09:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: not much if you read The Elephant ... :o) hehe
[09:36] <_StefanS_> when is he back btw?
[09:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: (jokingly referring to my blogpost at planet)
[09:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: a week or so
[09:36] <_StefanS_> mhb: lemme read it :)
[09:36] <Jucato> it's one of mhb's few blog posts. so read it well :)
[09:36] <_StefanS_> I cant find it.
[09:37] <Jucato> Martin Bhm?
[09:37] <mhb> the elephant?
[09:37] <mhb> :o)
[09:37] <Jucato> Martin Bhm the elephant? O.o
[09:37] <Jucato> doesn't sound funky hehehe
[09:37] <mhb> Jucato: I wish.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I think the article got expired in akregator actually..
[09:38] <Jucato> mhb: btw, were you able to come in when both Riddell and manchicken were around? they slightly discussed the package manager issue
[09:38] <Jucato> it's just new
[09:38] <Jucato> why would akregator kill it? unless it doesn't like mhb or elephants :P
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I use expiry to keep the db kinda small
[09:39] <Jucato> aaah
[09:39] <Jucato> but my mail directory far exceeds it in size
[09:39] <_StefanS_> did anyone else notice fonts just got alot fuzzier with todays updates?
[09:40] <Jucato> I haven't restarted since the upgrades, but according to #ubuntu-devel and Hobbsee, yest
[09:40] <Jucato> freetype update
[09:40] <_StefanS_> hmjm
[09:40] <mhb> Jucato: no, was it today on this channel?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> I sure hope subpixel hinting is still enabled
[09:41] <_StefanS_> dont see why it wasn't previously...
[09:41] <Jucato> mhb: approximately 15 hours ago?
[09:41] <Jucato> I hate not being able to understand/see/notice all those fonts and subtle graphics stuff
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what do you mean?
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on your lcd it should be very visible with antialias/hinting
[09:43] <Jucato> when people start talking about the subtleties of fonts, I don't notice those at once
[09:43] <Jucato> you'd have to hit me on the head with a size 72 san serif font first
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: right now, the fonts got "colored" in the edges
[09:43] <Jucato> sans*
[09:43] <_StefanS_> uhm k
[09:43] <Jucato> maybe because my default font size is 8 so they're too small to notice?
[09:43] <_StefanS_> nope, I run 8 aswell
[09:43] <Jucato> or maybe because I haven't restarted KDE yet
[09:43] <Jucato> Uptime: 8 hours and 23 minutes
[09:44] <Jucato> since I woke up :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> start a new app now, and compare to the previous konqueror or something
[09:44] <_StefanS_> you can easily see the difference
[09:44] <Jucato> nada... get that size 72 ready to hit me :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, find your glasses
[09:45] <mhb> Jucato: thanks, haven't read it
[09:45] <Jucato> I've been wearing them all day :)
[09:45] <_StefanS_> hehe, I borrowed some glasses from a dealer because I thought my vision got kinda bad in the past 1-2 years.
[09:45] <_StefanS_> well..
[09:45] <Jucato> _StefanS_: this incapability to notice these things irks me to no small degree :(
[09:46] <mhb> Riddell: why do we want to code The Future Kubunt Package Manager in Python? Package manager gets run quite often, so it may be more useful to code it in C++.
[09:46] <_StefanS_> when I got the glasses on, everything just zoomed 10% up, and I had no vision in the surroundings
[09:46] <Jucato> as someone very intersted in computer graphics and GUIs (and usability) this is annoying..
[09:46] <Jucato> mhb: I thought you wanted to write it in Python? O.o
[09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: +1 for that thought.
[09:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: although you can maybe use python as glue .
[09:48] <_StefanS_> I think "Add/Remove programs"/"Manage Packages"/"Adept Updater" is just confusing since its the same program
[09:49] <_StefanS_> I never know which one to choose :)
[09:49] <Jucato> Add/Remove Programs is the one I want to go.. but that can't happen until Adept Manager's UI improves a bit
[09:49] <Jucato> well Adept Updater is self-explanatory.. :P
[09:49] <_StefanS_> yes, but what if you want to run Adept Updater manually? without having the notifier icon ?
[09:49] <Jucato> Add/Remove-Adept Installer and Adept Manager are the ones most confusing to users
[09:49] <_StefanS_> please enlighten me.
[09:49] <Jucato> adept_updater
[09:49] <mhb> Jucato: gtkmm perhaps? But you are right, it is easier to work with a language like Python when ti
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Jucato: from the menu ?? :)
[09:50] <Jucato> Adept Manager? :)
[09:50] <mhb> when creating a KDE/GNOME portable app
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hehe just my point.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Adept Manager for updates? :)
[09:50] <_StefanS_> its broken.
[09:50] <Jucato> Adept Manager for Everything :)
[09:50] <mhb> my opinion: do a Common Package Manager for KDE and GNOME, then talk with Ubuntuers about it
[09:51] <_StefanS_> yes! +1 for that
[09:51] <_StefanS_> and slap a gui on top.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> for kde and gnome
[09:51] <mhb> it being Manager/Add/remove and so on
[09:51] <Jucato> if you could find a way to do that in C/C++ all the better :P
[09:51] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. I need to fix a bug in knm
[09:51] <Jucato> one that doesn't use D-Bus? :)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> D-Butt
[09:52] <_StefanS_> just kidding.. dbus is one of the better things that happened to linux in the past years
[09:52] <Jucato> you know.. it would be nice if there was a time when something new/innovative came from Kubuntu and then Ubuntu had to catch up with it :)
[09:52] <Jucato> we really look like playing catch up with Ubuntu for most of our users...
[09:52] <Jucato> well not most maybe.. some
[09:52] <_StefanS_> got any ideas to put behind it ? :)
[09:53] <mhb> Jucato: aren't we?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> or to back it I mean ;)
[09:53] <Jucato> proof?
[09:53] <Jucato> ideas to back the "Kubuntu is playing catch up"?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> ideas for innovative stuff
[09:53] <_StefanS_> yes
[09:53] <Jucato> still thinking...
[09:53] <Jucato> I don't want to be throwing ideas that are technically impossible :)
[09:54] <Jucato> mhb: we are... most of the time... whether that's good or not. I don't know :)
[09:55] <mhb> Jucato: just teach the Ubuntu devs to write portable apps
[09:55] <Jucato> or ask them to invite us to work on it simultaneously? but I guess were too shorthanded for that..
[09:55] <mhb> Jucato: so that writing a KDE frontend doesn't mean reshuffling the core of the app
[09:56] <Jucato> I guess we're lucky a lot is being made with Python...
[09:57] <mhb> is it possible to find out whether a library is present in ubuntu-desktop?
[09:57] <mhb> even though it is not directly dependent on it
[10:02] <mhb> Jucato: and I think the fact that we're lacking has a lot to do with us being a community project
[10:03] <mhb> Jucato: who can step up and say "Oh, I've implemented a crucial feature for Kubuntu Gutsy that was in Ubuntu previously, and I haven't been paid for it?"
[10:03] <mhb> I can't
[10:03] <Jucato> I think that fact is lost in transmission over to the users.... :(
[10:04] <Jucato> (great! export to gallery suddenly doesn't work...)
[10:04] <Jucato> (well not suddenly.. haven't tried since edgy..)
[10:07] <mhb> Jucato: you'll be my hero if you wrote a spec for Kubuntu Hardy and managed to implement it without any financial gain from it
[10:07] <Jucato> I'll be my own hero if I could write a spec. period :)
[10:08] <mhb> Jucato: ^^ that is what needs to be done in order to be in level with Ubuntu. We can a) either build a community so strong that it does that or b) somehow get Canonical to support KDE more.
[10:08] <mhb> Jucato: and I'm not sure which idea is more absurd :o)
[10:08] <Jucato> b) would be a dream come true :)
[10:10] <larsivi> Heya - X crash at startup (after the last few updates and me testing connecting an external monitor) - seems to be a problem in the intel driver
[10:10] <larsivi> at least the backtrace suggests so
[10:11] <mhb> larsivi: good to know! But there's little we Kubuntuers can do, better file a bug about it.
[10:12] <larsivi> hmpf ;P
[10:19] <larsivi> but lynx won't let me log on to launcpad :D
[10:20] <mhb> no?
[10:21] <larsivi> maybe it's my problem, I can do it on this computer in any case
[10:22] <mhb> Riddell: Has apport got an icon?
[10:23] <mhb> Riddell: it would be useful to do a .desktop file for apport, so that when it needs the additional privileges, it shows an icon.
[10:28] <mhb> Riddell: also, something like http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4962/apportcrashtz7.png was implemented for kdesudo, too bad you haven't made use for it.
[10:30] <mhb> Riddell: I apologize for bugging you that much while you're on holiday, I guess we can leave it for Hardy
[10:33] <larsivi> mhb: bug 137225 - It is related to KDE/Kubuntu as it is the KDE system settings/monitor section that mess up xorg.conf
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137225 in xorg "[gutsy]  [regression]  xorg crashes with segfault after having used displayconfig-gtk to set up a second display (new "intel" driver)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137225
[11:21] <_StefanS_> mhb: I saw the elephant now, like the wallpaper :)
[11:22] <_StefanS_> mhb: a bit dark maybe, but that can probably be adjusted a bit
[11:26] <mhb> _StefanS_: sure, that could be adjusted. Do you like it more than the current gutsy wallpaper?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep, I think this one has more weight that a few strokes on a blue background
[11:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: also signals some humanism to it i think
[11:27] <_StefanS_> even though its elephant skin ;)
[11:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: I like the idea, too
[11:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: hmm, checked the release schedule, it seems tomorrow's the final artwork deadline.
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: push push push..  :)
[11:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: ask kwwii_ and so on
[11:30] <mhb> _StefanS_: heh, I would love to push it, but I don't think Ken could be convinced, he designed the current wallpaper, after all.
[11:30] <_StefanS_> yes I knoiw
[11:31] <mhb> and he has already seen the wallpaper, so I guess he hasn't got as much enthusiasm on pushing it as I do (that is understandable, I'm not a graphic artist)
[11:33] <_StefanS_> well..
[11:34] <_StefanS_> maybe it could be included as an optional wallpaper in /usr/share/ maybe
[11:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: I think there will be a Universe package of the proposed Ubuntu wallpapers. Not sure if it will work for Kubuntu.
[11:35] <_StefanS_> uhm ok..
[11:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: perhaps we could konvince (heh) kwwii_ to do a animal-based wallpaper for Hardy, or just reuse this one :o)
[11:37] <_StefanS_> oh that might be the way to go, since its open for suggestions
[11:55] <Riddell> mhb: I don't know if it has an icon, I suspect not
[11:55] <Riddell> mhb: patches welcome of course
[12:00] <mhb> Riddell: okay, will do some for Hardy.
[12:03] <marseillai> hi.
[12:04] <marseillai> a question : what do i need to copy to transfer my kwallet from a pc to another?
[12:04] <larsivi> marseillai: .kde/share/apps/kwallet/* I think
[12:41] <mhb> kwwii: have you seen my discussion with _StefanS_ before you changed from kwwii_ to kwwii? Also, have you seen the comments at the blog post I asked permission for? http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/the-elephant-rocks/
[12:42] <mhb> kwwii: I just wanted to show that people seem to like the animal-related background idea.
[12:42] <mhb> feel free to ignore me, naturally :o)
[12:43] <kwwii> mhb: yeah, I saw that...a few issues though
[12:43] <kwwii> 1) those backgrounds are only 1280x1024
[12:44] <kwwii> that being the most important part...I was going to include them in the default wallpaper set (not set as default, but always installed)
[12:44] <kwwii> but because they are not big enough it won't work
[12:45] <kwwii> personally, I like the elephant bg as well, but it is a bit too dirty looking for a default wallpaper
[12:45] <kwwii> and we had a long discussion about using animal stuff
[12:45] <kwwii> with abstract pics we have no worries about cultural connotations
[12:46] <kwwii> whereas with something specific like an animal we do not know how different cultures will view them
[12:49] <mhb> kwwii: ah, thanks for the clarifications. I am not sure about the culture clash, we already have a name that is very culture-based and it is foreign especially in the Western parts of the world, but it doesn't seem to stop Ubuntu user adoption.
[12:52] <mhb> kwwii: anyway, thank you very much for the information. See you later!
[01:12] <Tonio_> hey
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: just reuploaded kdebase with the final fix the the $kdehome thing, it was not good as $kdehome=$HOME/.kde and we used $HOME/$kdehome
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should not have a home/ folder coming in the $home now :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also started triaging the milestone bugs for the beta release
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I looked at this bug :
[01:13] <Tonio_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123808
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123808 in network-manager-applet "NetworkManager Applet should not be started on LTSP Thin Clients" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we also patch knetworkmanager not to start on ltsp clients ?
[01:16] <Riddell> I guess so
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do this
[01:18] <marseillai> mmmmmmmmm
[01:19] <marseillai> is it normal that I have a home/user directory in my user directory in gutsy ?
[01:25] <Tonio_> marseillai: will be fixed with next kdebase upload
[01:26] <marseillai> oki Tonio_
[01:48] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_!
[01:48] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ :)
[02:45] <seele> nixternal: wouldn't fall in the US only apply to the north east?
[02:46] <seele> maybe way north too.. like the bordering states
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mhb: you could make a separate kubuntu one, or add it to the ubuntu wallpapers one
[03:10] <Lure> Tonio_: knetworkmanager 0.2.1 should be soon - not sure if we should pick-up bug fixes from svn before
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: did not get from libgphoto2 that you are also release team ;-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah.  i'm on both teams, yes :)
[03:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: and that you can also +1 for main freeze exceptions ;-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: it seems dholbach uploaded it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:11] <Lure> btw, are daily cds any good?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> no idea.  i odubt it
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya
[03:14] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:14] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, depends on the changesz
[03:27] <Lure> Tonio_: just bug fixes
[03:27] <Tonio_> Lure: afaik, the current version works like a charm for most people ;)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lure: okay so maybe we should just wait for the official release, as long as it is not too late :)
[03:28] <Lure> Tonio_: check this thread http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-September/000212.html
[03:29] <Lure> Tonio_: even _StefanS_ replied
[03:29] <Tonio_> Lure: super, will read this, thanks :)
[03:42] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:26] <nixternal> seele: that is true about fall...fall in chicago is really nothing more than the construction workers taking a day or 2 off...the leaves here go from green, to red, to gone in a matter of days
[04:35] <jjesse> nixternal: i figured out that question i emailed you about
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, cuz you had me stumped with it
[04:37] <jjesse> let me look at the change i made hold on
[04:38] <jjesse> instaed of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions im using /lib/lsb/init-functions
[04:38] <jjesse> and it works w/o any problems
[04:38] <manchicken_> Anybody else having some problems with the KDE sound system lately?
[04:39] <manchicken_> brb
[04:41] <manchicken> That's better.
[04:44] <nixternal> I always have a problem with the sound system, but that isn't KDE's fault, it is *buntu's in general
[04:47] <Jucato_> manchicken: have you seen marseillai's question for you in #kubuntu ?
[04:48] <manchicken> Jucato_: Naw, could you tell me what it is?
[04:48] <marseillai> it's about adept and auto-clean
[04:48] <marseillai> hi manchicken
[04:48] <Jucato_> :)
[04:48] <Jucato_> hi manchicken, hi marseillai
[04:48] <manchicken> No I'm not, but thanks for asking :)
[04:48] <manchicken> heh
[04:48] <manchicken> What's goin' on?
[04:49] <marseillai> manchicken: in fact i remember (but may be i'm wrong) see in adept a feature wich allow to set a time for apt-get autoclean. but i can't find it anymore in adept gutsy
[04:54] <manchicken> I do not remember such a function.
[04:54] <marseillai> so
[04:54] <manchicken> If it is there it'd probably be in the notifier.
[04:54] <marseillai> it's me
[04:55] <manchicken> Unfortunately :)
[04:55] <Jucato_> :)
[04:55] <marseillai> yes Jucato_ i must be crazy
[04:56] <Jucato_> nah you're not. Adept is :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh, bugger.  anyone done a security fix before?
[04:59] <manchicken> No, it's marseillai, I'm pretty sure.
[04:59] <manchicken> Hobbsee: What manner of security fix?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> CVE-2007-4569
[05:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ^
[05:00] <manchicken> Sorry, I don't know how to look that one up
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ubotu: CVE-2007-4569
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cve-2007-4569 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <Hobbsee> damned bot.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> it usually looks up cve
[05:00] <Hobbsee> s
[05:01] <Hobbsee> oh, here.  http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt
[05:01] <marseillai_> thanks for not blaming me too much Jucato ! :)
[05:02] <manchicken> Oh, okay, so there's already a fix.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:02] <manchicken> Sounds like a pretty simple solution then :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i was more meaning for SRU's.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: stable release updates.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> well, stable releases in particular
[05:06] <allee> Hi Hobbsee.  You've ping me, but I didn't get why :-0
[05:06] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I have done a few security fixes now
[05:06] <nixternal> KTorrent, Smb4k, and some other ones
[05:06] <Hobbsee> allee: only in conjunction with lure about the libghoto2 getting approved.
[05:07] <Lure> hi allee
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: were you wanting to handle it for dapper --> gutsy?
[05:08] <Lure> allee: do you plan to backport fixes for digikam? if you pass me the list from gilles I can maybe find some time over weekend to work on this
[05:08] <nixternal> I can do that...does it have to be done right now, or can it wait a couple of hours...the feminine side has come out in me, and I feel like going shopping for clothes and shoes :)
[05:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Ah.  Don't know about that one.
[05:08] <Lure> allee: btw, did you see decision on dcraw license - it looks good
[05:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I don't think anybody's crazy enough to let me drive one of those.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: haha.  you crazy bloke :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: right
[05:08] <nixternal> hehe
[05:09] <manchicken> nixternal: There's no stereotype, we all know your feminine side is pretty much all there is :P
[05:09] <nixternal> is that cool though Hobbsee...it will only take a few minutes to get them all done
[05:09] <nixternal> damn manchicken, I didn't want everyone to know
[05:09] <allee> Hobbsee: ok
[05:09] <allee> Lure: hi
[05:09] <nixternal> well, it looks as if the x-wife, daughter and I, may move (back) to Europe in the upcoming years
[05:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fine by me, i'm intending to go to bed.
[05:10] <nixternal> so, sometime next year, if I am up for it, who wants to give me a job?
[05:10] <nixternal> I clean toilets better than anyone else!
[05:10] <allee> Lure: great, currently are more than usual busy times.  I'll sent you the mail
[05:11] <nixternal> alrighty, going shopping..when I get back I will get those fixes done
[05:11] <Lure> allee: ok, will look into it if family allows ;-)
[05:11] <jjesse> nixternal: you might be heading back to europe?
[05:11] <allee> Lure: about dcraw: seen it.  It's great that it will go in.  Otherwise most of kde gfx apps would be blocked (libkdcraw uses 8.7x in svn already)
[06:41] <mhb> nixternal: um, sorry to interrupt, but what exactly is "pervasive availability"?
[07:01] <mluser-work> Is anyone else having problems with the latest knetwork-manager update?
[11:04] <fdoving> mhb: hey, where can i find that shiny elephant wallpaper you blogged about?
[11:07] <manchicken> Wouldn't it whoop ass if you could just use the compositing in compiz with emerald without losing the functionality of kwin?
[11:07] <fdoving> is emerald different from kde-window-decorator ?
[11:07] <fdoving> the compisiting that is?
[11:08] <manchicken> fdoving: The big difference to me is the library of themes.
[11:08] <fdoving> ah, yeah.
[11:08] <manchicken> And even using kde-window-decorator you still lose kwin functionality.
[11:08] <manchicken> kde-window-decorator just isn't worth the trouble to me.
[11:08] <manchicken> None of the pretty with all of the sucky.
[11:09] <sahin_h> Yes, loosing the funcionality of the kwin is the biggest problem of compiz fusion for me.
[11:09] <fdoving> i got tired of the compiz a while ago.
[11:09] <manchicken> Yes.
[11:09] <fdoving> it's not that nice to my powertop numbers :)
[11:10] <sahin_h> I hope KDE4 will solve :"my problem". ;-)
[11:10] <manchicken> I think compiz brings some useful functionality to the table.  The grouping&tabbing windows thing is sweet.
[11:10] <manchicken> And there's no denying the performance of compositing.
[11:11] <sahin_h> I played KDE4 beta2 and I saw kwin_composite has what I needed.
[11:11] <sahin_h> Unfortunatley compiz fusion has a better performance on my machine.
[11:12] <sahin_h> However KDE4 under development...
[11:12] <fdoving> did you compile with any performace options?
[11:12] <fdoving> kde4 that is.
[11:12] <sahin_h> Nope.
[11:13] <fdoving> still hope then :)
[11:13] <sahin_h> I just installed the kde4 beta2 packages which provided by kubuntu developers for gutsy.
[11:13] <fdoving> not sure which options are used there.
[11:14] <manchicken> I just want some of the neat functionality and the performance.  I don't want it to remove the kwin functionality that I know and love.
[11:14] <sahin_h> Yes, me too.
[11:15] <sahin_h> And I don't want to switch to gnome, because maybe compiz works better on gnome.
[11:15] <manchicken> I hear it does.
[11:15] <manchicken> But then I still lose the functionality.
[11:16] <manchicken> And compiz is a PITA to configure.
[11:16] <sahin_h> I use too much kde application, which has better functionality than the gnome counterpart.
[11:16] <sahin_h> Amarok, kontact, basket, digikam, gwenview, konsole...
[11:16] <sahin_h> Just some example...
[11:17] <manchicken> Mmmmm... basket...
[11:17] <sahin_h> My favorite!
[11:17] <manchicken> kontact & basket alone are reasons I'll never be able to use anything outside of KDE.
[11:17] <sahin_h> I have a lot of notes in my basket.
[11:17] <manchicken> It beats any other notes program hands down.
[11:18] <sahin_h> Yes, I tried other too in the past.
[11:19] <sahin_h> I hope there will be somebody to keep alive the basket development.
[11:19] <sahin_h> Why basket isn't in the main? By the way?
[11:19] <sahin_h> Why is in the universe?
[11:29] <manchicken> That I don't know.
[11:37] <danimo> moin!
[11:40] <danimo> does anyone know where does the silly "start plugin" button come from?
[11:40] <danimo> +s
[11:40] <danimo> before flash starts that is
[11:41] <danimo> apachelogger?
[11:44] <fdoving> danimo: i think that is "load plugins on demand", konq -> settings -> configure konq -> plugins
[11:45] <fdoving> nite.
[11:46] <danimo> fdoving: indeed, tnx...
[12:02] <huats> Riddell: are you around ?