[12:37] <uga> lewix, type "exit"
[12:37] <stdin> "logout", "exit" or Ctrl-D
[12:38] <lewix> I dit
[12:38] <lewix> uga, i wanna log out out of my session from the cmd line
[12:38] <uga> lewix, yes, exit should do
[12:38] <stdin> you mean KDE session?
[12:38] <lewix> uga, exit just close the cmd line
[12:38] <networkgamer> i got a gparted question:can i unmount the partition on a drive with linux installed,move it,and mount it again safely while in the linux installed on said drive?
[12:38] <lewix> stdin, exactly
[12:38] <uga> lol
[12:39] <uga> lewix, some dcop call to kdm possibly, but I can't tell right now
[12:39] <uga> I'd need to make this machine work and check dcop first ;)
[12:39] <lewix> stdin, as I said I have trouble with my GUI. it wouldn't let me turn off,restart or log out properly. It hangs out and the screen goes dark. the only way is from the cmd line
[12:40] <Minataku> I hope those fuses arrive tomorrow... I'd like to get that laptop back together before I completely forget how to put it back together
[12:40] <Minataku> lol
[12:40] <siliconcpu> could someone perhaps link me to a work solution with the bcm4318 broadcom cards?
[12:40] <stdin> !wifi
[12:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:40] <lewix> uga, thanks though.
[12:40] <uga> lewix, check dcop information in google
[12:40] <ardchoille> lewix: ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[12:40] <uga> lewix, you'll need to access kdm's dcop interface and call some logout method
[12:41] <uga> if you want to do taht from terminal
[12:41] <siliconcpu> ubutu - do u have a broadcom card?>
[12:41] <stdin> !bot
[12:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:41] <siliconcpu> =P
[12:41] <siliconcpu> bot is pretty useful :)
[12:42] <lewix> uga, easy to say :)
[12:43] <sportbilly> i want some help with kxdocker
[12:43] <siliconcpu> anyone familiar with ndiswrapper?
[12:43] <uga> lewix, run kdcop
[12:43] <eder> hi i have a problem whit the shap am 900 in kubunto
[12:44] <uga> lewix, you'll see all interfaces applications have
[12:44] <uga> one of them will belong to the kdm interface
[12:44] <hydrogen> kdm doesn't have a dcop interface
[12:44] <uga> hydrogen, doesn't it????
[12:44] <sportbilly> i found it on adept i have installed it and when i tried to open it through konsole but it crashes
[12:44] <hydrogen> no, it doesn't.
[12:44] <uga> hydrogen, what does have session logout interfaces then. kdesktop? I know I've seen them
[12:44] <uga> kicker maybe?
[12:45] <hydrogen> no idea
[12:45] <uga> uhm... I wish I could check right now, but dcop doesn't run very well under XP ;))
[12:45] <stdin> lewix: "dcop ksmserver ksmserver 0 0 0" will log you out
[12:45] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: i have a broadcom card.
[12:46] <scheater5> stdin: did some research on that TI chip Archos uses - "systems-on-chips (SoCs) tailored from DSP and ARM cores" - that mean anything to you?
[12:46] <siliconcpu> scorpking, got any advice?
[12:46] <lewix> uga, didnt find kdesktop
[12:46] <siliconcpu> cause I can't even get the ndiswrap to compile and install
[12:46] <lewix> stdin, thanks. how did you figure this out
[12:46] <siliconcpu> it gives me a bunch of errors and doesn't create the directories properly
[12:46] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: what's wrong? driver not loaded?
[12:46] <stdin> lewix: by looking at all the dcop commands and seeing what works :p
[12:46] <uga> lewix, well, iirc ksmserver is the process that starts kde at the end
[12:46] <siliconcpu> I think the biggest prob is the ndiswrapper.  I can't get the directions to follow through.
[12:47] <stdin> scheater5: i think that means it's some custom chip
[12:47] <siliconcpu> scorpking, hold on I will give you more details
[12:47] <lewix> no such function
[12:47] <stdin> siliconcpu: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty ?
[12:47] <scheater5> stdin: o joyous...so then any other OS would have to be ported to that specific chip?
[12:48] <stdin> scheater5: maybe, unless it works with some "generic" calls
[12:49] <stdin> lewix: in a term, what does "dcop ksmserver ksmserver" show (pastebin)
[12:49] <coreymon77> can anyone here give me some help with the netatalk (appletalk for linux) package?
[12:49] <stdin> lewix: or just tell me if you see "void logout(int,int,int)"
[12:49] <lewix> I see it, should I just call it stdin
[12:50] <siliconcpu> when I type "make distclean" I keep getting errors that say "loadndisdriver.c" errors
[12:50] <siliconcpu> anyone familiar with those?
[12:50] <lewix> stdin,where did you get the dcop command
[12:50] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: what does dmesg | tail say?
[12:50] <stdin> lewix: once you find out about dcop, you learn how to use it ;)
[12:51] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - a lot of errors for bcm43xx
[12:51] <siliconcpu> not available or load failed
[12:51] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: what card?
[12:51] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: i had the same problem. just looking for the links. one sec...
[12:51] <siliconcpu> broadcom 4138
[12:51] <siliconcpu> *4318
[12:52] <stdin> lewix: "void logout(int,int,int)" means that it takes 3 arguments, all integers (whole numbers), so I tried "dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0" on another account and it logged it out
[12:52] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[12:52] <uga> stdin, but then you were missing the method name, right?
[12:52] <uga> "logout"
[12:52] <uga> not jsut 0 0 0
[12:52] <siliconcpu> is the support for ubuntu the same as kubuntu?
[12:52] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:53] <coreymon77> yes
[12:53] <siliconcpu> is it safe to say apt-get is useless without an internet connection?
[12:53] <stdin> uga: "dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0"  < see the "logout" part?
[12:53] <coreymon77> ubuntu and kubuntu are the same except for their dekstop managers
[12:53] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: no
[12:53] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: there are cd repositories
[12:53] <uga> stdin, uh. that must be a new add-on ;)
[12:53] <siliconcpu> hmm
[12:53] <stdin> uga: ahh, the  1st time, yes
[12:54] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: but, whats the matter with your internet?
[12:54] <siliconcpu> coreymon - could i get stuff from the cd?
[12:54] <uga> stdin, I can't read much backlog, maybe I missed some comment. I'm running the desktop in minimal gfx mode ;)
[12:54] <siliconcpu> well, for some reason my ethernet card doesn't respond to a cable + active connection
[12:54] <siliconcpu> neither does the wireless
[12:54] <siliconcpu> so i've been trying to fix this issue, but it's hard if you aren't online to use sudi apt-get
[12:54] <siliconcpu> *sudo
[12:55] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: okay
[12:55] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: there is one package with the firmware. just download and install it.
[12:55] <coreymon77> lets figure this out
[12:56] <coreymon77> ah, i see, you are talking to us from ta windows box
[12:56] <siliconcpu> it would help if I could get the ethernet card to work with a wire first =P
[12:56] <siliconcpu> then I could run what I need
[12:56] <coreymon77> ScorpKing: he has no internet on linux
[12:56] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: that should be your priority
[12:56] <siliconcpu> nope, no internet on linux
[12:56] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: on that link look for "If that doesn't work, [WWW]  look here"
[12:56] <siliconcpu> i'm on a diff machine right now
[12:56] <siliconcpu> the laptop with kubuntu is next to me
[12:57] <uga> coreymon, you may try booting the linux drive from windows, through vmware? =)
[12:57] <uga> you'd have internet connection through vmware's fake card
[12:57] <coreymon77> wireless is much easier to get working if you have some sort of internet
[12:57] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: download package, burn to cd, copy to linux and install. done
[12:57] <lewix> stdin, uga : It worked. however, that wasn't the right thing to do...I guess KDE call the same function to log out of the session. That's why the same problem happened. It hangs out and the screen goes dark
[12:57] <coreymon77> uga: thats all well and good if you have a dual core
[12:57] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: do you?
[12:58] <uga> coreymon, uh? I've run vmware jsut fine on single core p4s with 512MB ram
[12:58] <siliconcpu> coreymon - i have a working internet
[12:58] <lewix> stdin, uga : I should rather focus on how to fix it
[12:58] <siliconcpu> on this windows machine :)
[12:58] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: i know
[12:58] <coreymon77> siliconcpu: but you dont on linux
[12:58] <siliconcpu> nope
[12:58] <lewix> stdin, By the way you didn't tell me how you got the commands
[12:59] <siliconcpu> wireless + ethernet = not working
[12:59] <uga> when it goes black... does still ctrl+alt+f1 work?
[12:59] <uga> or f2, f3...
[12:59] <siliconcpu> i might have to go in a sec
[12:59] <uga> if not, it may be a gfx card support issue
[12:59] <siliconcpu> the gf is giving me crap =(
[12:59] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: if you download a on windows file can you copy it to your linux box?
[12:59] <lewix> uga, please mention my screename otherwise I miss what you say. Well, I've never tried it
[01:00] <NickPresta> lewix, open up a terminal, type 'dcop' then press <ENTER>. You should see a list of applications. Type "dcop APPLICATION" and then press <ENTER>. Lather, rinse and repeat :)
[01:00] <lewix> uga, is it worth trying
[01:00] <siliconcpu> scorpking - yes
[01:00] <siliconcpu> scorpking - what command do I use to run the file?
[01:00] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: then do as i said and it will work
[01:00] <stdin> lewix: "dcop" lists all dcop enabled apps, "dcop <app>" lists all it's "members" "dcop <app> <member>" lists all it's commands and "dcop <app> <member> <command> [argument(s)] " runs the command
[01:00] <lewix> NickPresta, what is it for
[01:00] <uga> lewix, yes. If it switches to terminals, it means it's not locked
[01:00] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: sudo dpkg --install filename.deb
[01:00] <uga> lewix, so you could sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:01] <NickPresta> lewix, as far as I can tell, DCOP is a protocol that allows communication with applications registered to it (DCOP).
[01:01] <uga> lewix, what gfx card is it? nvidia?
[01:01] <stdin> lewix: you can use tab completion with dcop commands too :)
[01:02] <stdin> DCOP is like D-BUS, it's an 'inter-application communication protocol'
[01:02] <lewix> uga, VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS400 [Radeon Xpress 200M] 
[01:02] <uga> NickPresta, it's a communication channel that lets processes communicate with each other. But having a client like dcop, allows the user to access them directly too
[01:02] <uga> NickPresta, similar to the old Corba, or DBUS
[01:02] <NickPresta> stdin, can you "force" applications to register with DCOP or do they have to "voluntarily" register?
[01:02] <lewix> stdin, what do you mean by tab completion
[01:02] <stdin> NickPresta: it has to be compiled with dcop support
[01:03] <uga> lewix, shame. If it were nvidia I'd have suggested you to install latest binaries from nvidia
[01:03] <NickPresta> stdin, ah okay.
[01:03] <lewix> uga, good idea, I'll try it the next time however, it will only solve my problem temporarly
[01:03] <stdin> lewix: type "dcop kdesk<tab>"
[01:03] <lewix> stdin, oh I see :)
[01:04] <stdin> NickPresta: and dcop is mostly a KDE think (tho kde4 will move to dbus)
[01:04] <stdin> s/think/thing/
[01:04] <uga> stdin,mostly? =)
[01:04] <uga> only
[01:04] <stdin> no, it donesn't have to be a "kde" app to use dcop
[01:04] <uga> stdin, shame of a move to d-bus, btw, since d-bus is more limited
[01:04] <uga> it's just like beta over vhs... we chose the worse one
[01:05] <stdin> well, it's not, but it is more complicated :p
[01:05] <uga> iirc I read about some limitations on d-bus
[01:05] <uga> things that were possible in dcop that weren't in d-bus
[01:05] <NickPresta> stdin, oh (about the move to DBUS). I always had this idea that DBUS was being phased out in terms of DCOP with KDE...
[01:06] <lewix> should I reinstall it?
[01:06] <lewix> KDE
[01:06] <stdin> uga: dbus has had some major development recently
[01:06] <uga> NickPresta, the problem is somebody had the "nice" idea of including d-bus in kernel. So even Trolltech decided to add d-bus support. And KDE decided to migrate
[01:06] <uga> stdin, oh nice
[01:07] <stdin> NickPresta: dbus is more platform independent (it even runs on windows) so it's replacing dcop
[01:07] <NickPresta> stdin, that makes sense.
[01:07] <stdin> shame, I do love dcop so :p
[01:07] <uga> stdin, it wasn't platform independent yet, when kde decided to migrate iirc
[01:08] <stdin> I can even run commands in konsole from another konsole session  :p
[01:08] <lewix> hm it's a pain in the ass sometimes :)
[01:08] <uga> but maybe I'm wrong on that
[01:08] <stdin> uga: no, but it interoperates with other DE's (no dcop server needed)
[01:08] <lewix> I can't watch videos either. soon or later it freezes and I have to exit the browser
[01:09] <lewix> and it wouldn't play over
[01:09] <NickPresta> lewix, I would assume you're talking about YouTube videos, which is a Flash problem
[01:09] <lewix> NickPresta, indeed. oh I didn't know that was current
[01:09] <lewix> s/current/common
[01:09] <wers> guys! I can't write on my flash drive on kubuntu but I can write on it on Windows
[01:09] <uga> stdin, other DEs like gnome? for which dbus was created? =)
[01:10] <uga> you'll always need some service running, I guess
[01:10] <uga> either dcop, or dbus
[01:10] <lewix> also, no matter how many times I mount my windows patition..it dismount itself. So I have to do it over everytime I log on
[01:11] <uga> oh nice... gutsy is arriving to my disk
[01:11] <stdin> uga: gnome, xfce, fluxbox, etc... while dbus was developed for use on gnome it doesn't really have anything to do with it (if that makes sense :P)
[01:11] <uga> stdin, same goes for dcop
[01:11] <uga> while dcop was created for use on kde doesn't have really anything to do with it
[01:11] <uga> ;))
[01:11] <stdin> uga: dbus is a system service anyway, not a user level service, it will always be running
[01:12] <ScorpKing> wers: i think you need to make a partition on it.
[01:12] <uga> stdin, system service,... you mean in-kernel thing?
[01:12] <Mr_Sonoma> wers, have you tried plugging in your flash drive after you have logged onto your kubuntu desktop?
[01:12] <uga> sure, it was adopted after gnome's adoption
[01:12] <uga> just like anything else could have been adopted
[01:12] <wers> I tried it Mr_Sonoma
[01:12] <stdin> uga: no, not in kernel. more like syslog
[01:12] <uga> uhm
[01:13] <wers> more details here ScorpKing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553813
[01:13] <Mr_Sonoma> wers, could you access the flash drive then?
[01:13] <wers> I can
[01:13] <wers> I can even open the files
[01:13] <wers> I just can't write on it using linux
[01:13] <Mr_Sonoma> hmmm
[01:14] <ScorpKing> wers: mmm, permission problem maybe...
[01:14] <uga> okay... lets hope winders is capable of burning kubuntu isos
[01:14] <wers> I tried opening it as root, but I still cant write on it ScorpKing
[01:15] <stdin> uga: http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Infra_Recorder :)
[01:15] <ScorpKing> wers: if you type mount, is it mounted rw?
it's mounted read-only</guess>
[01:15] <wers> how do I know if it is mounted as rw ScorpKing?
[01:15] <ScorpKing> wers: mount
[01:15] <stdin> uga: and http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Downloading_and_Burning_an_Ubuntu_ISO
[01:15] <uga> stdin, I got something called imgburn
[01:15] <uga> and seems to be working...
[01:16] <BluesKaj> uga, yes they use the same std
[01:16] <uga> next step rebooting and praying
[01:16] <wers> you mean, on the terminal?
[01:16] <stdin> uga: that's the one the 2nd link talks about
[01:16] <ScorpKing> wers: yes
[01:16] <uga> and if it doesn't, I'll only come back to say you "goodbye, gonna gentoo" ;))
[01:16] <stdin> uga: except you get to hear popey's voice in it :p
[01:16] <BluesKaj> and we'll say , have fun :)
[01:17] <uga> BluesKaj, it's so annoying that one needs to boot a live CD to install kubuntu, and seeing the live CD wont' completely boot
[01:17] <Mr_Sonoma> ScorpKing, wers i see several threads in online forums about troubles with fat32 formated flash drives
[01:17] <stdin> uga: there's always the alternate cd
[01:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, I experienced that with BSD
[01:17] <wers> mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:17] <vzduch> uga: you can always use the alternate CD
[01:17] <uga> vzduch, stdin, what does it exactly do? old style terminal mode installer?
[01:17] <ScorpKing> wers: looking at the link you posted it seems fine.
[01:17] <Mr_Sonoma> dunno if thats it but
[01:18] <stdin> uga: yeah, "text mode"
[01:18] <vzduch> uga: ncurses Debian-like installer
[01:18] <ScorpKing> maybe the ' in the mount point?
[01:18] <uga> oh nice... as far as it doesn't happen same as happenned to an old debian installer (couldnt' find cdrom ;))
[01:18] <uga> I tried several old distros and their live CDs
[01:18] <BluesKaj> never tried gentoo ...some ppl scared me away , cuz i feel i need more linux experience before i tackle it
[01:19] <wers> MR_Sonoma, I guess it really is because of the fat32 format because I have no problems with it on Windows
[01:19] <uga> BluesKaj, don't get scared. It's all documented. If you RTFM, it works
[01:19] <uga> if you don't, it doesn't ;))
[01:19] <uga> BluesKaj, even your mom could install it from scratch. Although, shame, I don't think now full scratch installs are supported
[01:19] <ScorpKing> Mr_Sonoma: and then there is 'FAT: Directory bread(block 514) failed' from his dmesg. :(
[01:20] <BluesKaj> err RTFM ?
[01:20] <vzduch> imho, Gentoo just isn't worth the effort.. you can get (almost) the same result w/ far less hassle :)
[01:20] <uga> BluesKaj, read the ... flowerish manual ;)
[01:20] <ScorpKing> wers: the mount options looks ok but i have no idea why you get that errors.
[01:20] <Mr_Sonoma> ScorpKing, did he post a link to a screenshot or pastebin i missed?
 more details here ScorpKing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553813
[01:21] <uga> BluesKaj, you'll notice that most bugs/problems around are all documented in gentoo wikis. Their strong point is documentation
[01:21] <vzduch> indeed
[01:21] <Mr_Sonoma> gotcha
[01:21] <uga> anyway, cya guys
[01:21] <BluesKaj> oh yeah uga, well i'm too busy with other stuff to get frustrated with another OS that doesn't recognize my haredware
[01:21] <ScorpKing> cheers
[01:22] <BluesKaj> c ya uga
[01:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> they have so many people doing documentation that they ran out of people to compile for packages >_>
[01:23] <BluesKaj> gonna reboot my router , i have a 3 sec lag
[01:25] <lewix> what's gksudo gedit
[01:25] <lewix> it does not even work but I always see it
[01:26] <ScorpKing> wers: what does ls -l /media/ALLAN'SDISK-1/ say?
[01:26] <stdin> lewix: gksudo is the gnome version of kdesu and gedit is the gnome version of kate
[01:27] <stdin> lewix: if you see it on the wiki, let me know. I've made it my lives mission to add kubuntu instructions to them :p
[01:28] <lewix> stdin, it's on the kubuntu feisty wiki. windows partition*
[01:28] <erich_> can anybody help me get my Netgear wireless adapter working?
[01:28] <stdin> lewix: link?
[01:28] <lewix> stdin, lol your life mission
[01:28] <lewix> stdin, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions
[01:29] <wers> ScorpKing, just ">"
[01:29] <stdin> hmm ubuntuguide, why not just read the ubuntu wiki ?
[01:29] <erich_> or at least help me figure out why gaim has no sound in kubuntu?
[01:30] <ScorpKing> wers: ls -al ?
[01:30] <stdin> wers: that's because of the '  use tab to complete the name, press Ctrl-C to get back to the prompt
[01:32] <wers> ls -al /media/ALLAN'SDISK-1/ also gave me ">"
[01:33] <stdin> yes that's because of the '  use tab to complete the name
[01:33] <wers> stdin, when do I press tab?
[01:33] <cloakable> Hi, I'm trying to install kubuntu 7.04, but partitioning fails. The disk is being picked up as an scsi disk, though it's an IDE one.
[01:33] <stdin> type "ls -l /media/AL" then press tab
[01:34] <Mr_Sonoma> wers, special caracters have to be escaped with \'\ type ls -al /media/all then hit the tab key and see what we mean. tab will complete the file name just as it completes the nicks on IRC.
[01:34] <stdin> cloakable: in feisty all disks are scsi emulated
[01:34] <bobbyyu> How can I set up a classpath for my JDK and JRE (/opt/jdk1.6.0_02/bin and /opt/jre1.6.0_2/bin respectively)?
[01:34] <cloakable> stdin: It's not creating any partitions, though.
[01:35] <wers> got it!
[01:35] <wers> I'll post the output in the thread
[01:35] <stdin> !java > bobbyyu | see the message from ubotu
[01:35] <stdin> cloakable: what happens when you try?
[01:36] <uga> bad luck guys, the gutsy CDs don't work either. Even worse, they don't even work in any vga= mode I tried
[01:36] <cloakable> stdin: It errors. I've tried with parted too, and that just silently fails.
[01:36] <cloakable> stdin: It's a thinkpad x24
[01:36] <stdin> what errors?
[01:38] <cloakable> stdin: Something like 'Cannot create ext3 partition.'
[01:38] <cloakable> just a sec
[01:38] <vzduch> cloakable: are you sure the hdd is ok?
[01:38] <wers> see the output here guys--> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3387640#post3387640
[01:39] <cloakable> vzduch: It installs debian fine.
[01:39] <cloakable> therefore I assume so
[01:40] <Mr_Sonoma> i totally missed the ' in that.
[01:40] <vzduch> cloakable: you might want to go to the hdd manufacturer's website and download a checking tool
[01:41] <vzduch> most will come as a bootable floppy or CD image
[01:41] <cloakable> vzduch: Or I might as well reinstall Debian.
[01:42] <stdin> of it's already partitioned then just install without partitioning
[01:42] <cloakable> stdin: It isn't partitioned
[01:42] <Mr_Sonoma> out of curiosity what would happen if one installed say debian etch then used a source.list from a ubuntu fiesty or gutsy distro to upgrade??? would you end up with the fiesty or gutsy distro or a broken machine in need of a live cd?
[01:43] <vzduch> Mr_Sonoma: most probably the latter
[01:43] <Mr_Sonoma> lol what i figured
[01:44] <vzduch> I'm going to bed.. good night everyone :)
[01:46] <pedro> hi
[01:46] <erich_> can anybody try to help me get my netgear wireless adapter working in kubuntu?
[01:46] <ScorpKing> wers: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/ALLAN\'SDISK-1/
[01:47] <ScorpKing> !paste | wers
[01:47] <ubotu> wers: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:50] <wers> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37853/
[01:50] <wers> there you go
[01:50] <ScorpKing> wers: and btw, you have a virus on that disk.
[01:51] <ScorpKing> :(
[01:51] <wers> how did you determine that, ScorpKing?
[01:51] <wers> you mean, a Windows virus?
[01:51] <ScorpKing> wers: that's my job. lol - RavMonE.exe
[01:52] <wers> ohhh
[01:52] <wers> haha
[01:52] <wers> can I just delete it?
[01:53] <ScorpKing> wers: yes but it will be all over your system. open AutoRun.inf and you'll see the command that load it everytime.
[01:53] <wers> okay.. so I'll just reformat this thing
[01:54] <wers> hmmm.. is there a way for me to copy the files inside it without copying the virus?
[01:54] <ScorpKing> wers: it won't infect linux
[01:54] <Mr_Sonoma> but it will be on the windows machine / partition
[01:55] <ScorpKing> wers: copy all the files and delete RavMonE.exe and AutoRun.inf when you copy it back.
[01:55] <wers> okay... I'll do that
[01:55] <wers> how do I reformat the thumb drive using linux?
[01:55] <ScorpKing> wers: use cfdisk to make a partition
[01:56] <Mr_Sonoma> im out, later
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't have the slightest clue what happened there...  i did an update that wanted a reboot, and now everything's gone to he**
[01:56] <ScorpKing> wers: then use mkfs.vfat to format it.
[01:56] <wers> will that partition be opened by windows as well?
[01:56] <ScorpKing> yes
[01:57] <ScorpKing> wers: is that disk /dev/sda?
[01:57] <wers> it is a /dev/sda1
[01:58] <ScorpKing> wers: then just copy everything to linux and run sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 when it's unmounted
[01:58] <wers> then it will reformat the drive?
[01:59] <ScorpKing> yes, no need to make a partition
[01:59] <stdin> you may want to use '-F 32' to make it a FAT32 partition (rather than FAT16)
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> hopefully this next update fixes my display issues
[01:59] <wers> ok.. I will do that
[02:00] <ScorpKing> thanks stdin. :) didn't know that.
[02:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> (using gnome on the lappy): Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[02:00] <wers> would you mind giving me the exact code that I should enter once I unmount it? I don't want to fail when it comes to this kind of thing
[02:00] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - i am back =P
[02:00] <stdin> you can give it a name/label too, with '-n something' :p
[02:01] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: welcome back. :)
[02:01] <siliconcpu> thanks
[02:01] <siliconcpu> I'm going to download and try to install that package u told me to download
[02:01] <ScorpKing> stdin: will you help him with a full command?
[02:01] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: it worked for me. took 5 minutes. :P
[02:02] <stdin> "sudo mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n "MYDISK" /dev/sda1"
[02:02] <ScorpKing> :D
[02:04] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - so install this firmware and then try to use ndiswrapper?
[02:04] <siliconcpu> or will the firmware fix the problem?
[02:04] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: i don't even have ndiswrapper installed and it works
[02:04] <siliconcpu> wow
[02:05] <siliconcpu> so, just type "sudo dpkg --install filename.deb"
[02:05] <ScorpKing> yeah :P
[02:05] <siliconcpu> :)
[02:05] <siliconcpu> okay i'll give it a shot in a min
[02:06] <siliconcpu> lol
[02:06] <siliconcpu> <3 windows
[02:07] <stdin> !windows | siliconcpu
[02:07] <ubotu> siliconcpu: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:07] <ScorpKing> i've had it with M$
[02:07] <Lega> 'ello.
[02:07] <siliconcpu> lol
[02:07] <wers> if I want to format the drive as fat32, I will enter sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 -F 32... is that right?
[02:08] <siliconcpu> i'm struggling with getting kubuntu to work with my hardware, but I'll willing to make a change!
 "sudo mkfs.vfat -F 32 -n "MYDISK" /dev/sda1"
[02:08] <uga> okay... other than a broken layouted kb, I managed starting up kubuntu right )(
[02:08] <stdin> wers: that's makes a FAT32 partition called "MYDISK" on /dev/sda1
[02:09] <uga> stdin: are you one of the kubuntu guys? I think this hint is important to note down... since not even gutsy seems to wr  otherwise
[02:09] <uga> work
[02:09] <wers> oh.. a partition? how about if I want to reformat the whole drive without separate partitions on it?
[02:09] <stdin> wers: 1 partition is the whole disk in your case
[02:10] <uga> any maintainers here?
[02:10] <ScorpKing> wers: keep it the way it is. less problems. :P
[02:10] <stdin> uga: if you found a bug, report it on launchpad
[02:10] <uga> stdin: no, I found a solution, took me some time googling, and works
[02:10] <stdin> uga: #kubuntu-devel is where the devs hang out ;)
[02:10] <uga> okay...
[02:10] <shadowhywind> Hi all, not sure where else to go. But having a small sound problem. When ever i try to play a game, with opengl. The sound *which i am asuming is using openal* is sort of jumpy. Any ideas?
[02:12] <siliconcpu> aye, I need to install VM Ware
[02:13] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: vmware is nice. :)
[02:13] <siliconcpu> yeah, I've heard =P  I have to reboot and boot into windows to copy that file to my drive
[02:13] <siliconcpu> cause I dont have internet access in kubuntu =(
[02:13] <stdin> virtualbox is nicer
[02:13] <siliconcpu> hopefully this will fix the issue.
[02:13] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:14] <Biovore> any ever messed with wubi?
[02:14] <nemisis> does anyone know how to configure KNetworkManager to automatically connect to my home network at startup?
[02:14] <ScorpKing> does anyone know how to get devilspie working under kde?
[02:15] <jhutchins> !info devlispie
[02:15] <ubotu> Package devlispie does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:15] <jhutchins> !find devilspie
[02:15] <ubotu> Found: devilspie
[02:15] <ScorpKing> jhutchins: all the howto's is for gnome. i can't seem to get it working though. :(
[02:16] <Biovore> nemisis: try netgo
[02:16] <Biovore> knetworkmanger sorta sucks..
[02:16] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: Not everything built for gnome works in kde.
[02:17] <ScorpKing> i know. was hoping there is a way.
[02:17] <nemisis> biovore: where can i get that and how do i replace KNetworkManager with it? or is it all handled by apt?
[02:17] <intelikey> someone tell me how to get my login name in my prompt please
[02:17] <Biovore> nemisis: well its a seperate little program
[02:17] <Biovore> apt-get it
[02:17] <Biovore> probably will have to mess with it.. I am not sure if it handles wep or not..
[02:18] <Biovore> but does provide network profiles
[02:18] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - any additional steps after installing the firmwre?
[02:18] <judgen> is there a way to make a website that the kmplayer-plugin is windows media player?
[02:18] <siliconcpu> cause it said "settuping up <file name>" and hasn't done much, heh
[02:18] <hydrogen> intelikey: use \u in PS1
[02:18] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: not that i can remember.
[02:18] <siliconcpu> hmm
[02:19] <nemisis> biovore: but can it autoconnect without any user interaction?
[02:19] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: the card should show up in knetworkmanger now
[02:20] <intelikey> hydrogen doesn't work
[02:20] <intelikey> tty2 [I have no name!$~]  set | grep PS1
[02:20] <intelikey> PS1='\l [\u\$\w]  '
[02:20] <intelikey> tty2 [I have no name!$~] 
[02:20] <jhutchins> judgen: Content on web sites is labeled by mime type.  Your system uses the mime type to determine what player to use.  to get mplayer to open a certain type of file, you have to make it the default player for that mime type.
[02:20] <hydrogen> intelikey: export PS1='\u' works
[02:20] <hydrogen> you may need some sort of escaping
[02:20] <intelikey> no
[02:21] <intelikey> hydrogen look at the post  ^
[02:21] <intelikey> i need to find what   \u   is reading from
[02:22] <hydrogen> `whoami` i'd assume
[02:22] <intelikey> tty2 [I have no name!$~]  whoami
[02:22] <intelikey> whoami: cannot find name for user ID 11
[02:22] <hydrogen> yep
[02:22] <hydrogen> that sounds weird
[02:22] <intelikey> ok found it.   can't read /etc/passwd
[02:23] <intelikey> that fixed it,   thanks.
[02:23] <hydrogen> nod
[02:24] <intelikey> just needed to find what   \u  was reading from.   knew all the vars were set correctly.
[02:25] <intelikey> so it uses something like     grep $UID /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f1
[02:25] <intelikey> wonder why it doesn't just use   $NAME
[02:26] <intelikey> ah NAME is not read only   UID is   heh that's why
[02:27] <intelikey> tty2 [greg$~]  export UID=0
[02:27] <intelikey> .true: UID: readonly variable
[02:28] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - hmm, not go on the internet =(
[02:28] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: is the card there?
[02:28] <siliconcpu> how can i tell?
[02:28] <siliconcpu> command?
[02:28] <intelikey> ifconfig ?
[02:29] <ScorpKing> yes ifconfig
[02:29] <ScorpKing> it should be eth1 i think
[02:29] <uga> stdin: matinainers are dead. Gutsy won't come out ;)
[02:29] <newbi> hii
[02:30] <intelikey> garfold
[02:30] <stdin> uga: most devs are in europe, and it's late here :p
[02:30] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: run sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[02:30] <uga> stdin: mmmmmmmmmmmmme too
[02:30] <newbi> lol what is garfold?
[02:30] <siliconcpu> ScorpKing - well, I see an inet address and bcas address for eth1
[02:31] <junkeR> can I get support for digikam here?
[02:31] <intelikey> newbi misspelling of your nick ???    just prior to  <newbi> hii
[02:31] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: it's 02:31 here so i should get to bed. it seems to be working. go back to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[02:31] <newbi> intelikey: garfield
[02:32] <intelikey> o   ie
[02:32] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: it needs to be configured with your router.
[02:32] <siliconcpu> really?
[02:33] <siliconcpu> hmm
[02:33] <siliconcpu> which part should I jump to on that link?
[02:33] <siliconcpu> cause I'm pretty sure the firmware is installed.
[02:33] <intelikey> read it all and you wont need to "jump"
[02:33] <ScorpKing> siliconcpu: 1.3.3. Step 3: Connecting to your network
[02:34] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:34] <newbi> stdin: how do i use doscan?
[02:34] <siliconcpu> hmmm
[02:35] <siliconcpu> i cant use "network-manager"?
[02:35] <intelikey> have a hard drive that keeps resetting.   how to detect which drive it is ????    any ideas ?
[02:35] <ScorpKing> no idea. ask around. :P
[02:35] <siliconcpu> hehe, ok
[02:35] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[02:35] <siliconcpu> I appreciate the help
[02:35] <ScorpKing> np
[02:35] <intelikey> gooday ScorpKing
[02:35] <stdin> newbi: look at the man page "man doscan"         and ask the channel first
[02:35] <eduardounder> siliconcpu: isnt "knetworkmanager" ?
[02:36] <newbi> stdin: lol
[02:37] <stdin> newbi: no "lol" if you keep doing that I'll get annoyed
[02:37] <newbi> stdin: does man work for every programme i install?
[02:37] <stdin> most
[02:39] <intelikey> newbi most of them have either man or info pages   and those that done will normally have their own breed of online docs ".html or .xml"  in the /usr/share/docs/   you can find with something like    dpkg -L <packagename> | grep .html
[02:39] <intelikey> done != dont
[02:40] <intelikey> e = r-1   t = r+1    hmmm  typo makes sense on qwerty keyboard
[02:41] <intelikey> info info
[02:41] <intelikey> man man
[02:42] <intelikey> find /usr -iname *.html
[02:44] <intelikey> three help switches, one of which works with most commands     -h --help (and the non-posix) -help (which applies to most GUI apps)        also for the shell built-in's   help <command>
[02:45] <newbi> intelikey: how do i use doscan?i type doscan in a konsole it says:doscan: mandatory --port argument is missing
[02:46] <newbi> "man doscan is to much to read
[02:47] <siliconcpu> hmm, does anyone know how to get Network Manager back on the bottom right of the screen by the volume?
[02:47] <siliconcpu> it like... disappeared
[02:47] <newbi> stdin: same question ^^
[02:47] <Jucato> siliconcpu: run "knetworkmanager" ?
[02:47] <intelikey> and that leads me into this rant,   why is "-help"  non-posix?    because it precludes the use of multiple single char switches  -AaBb...   and tic's people that like posix off greatly.
[02:47] <stdin> newbi: too much to read? then don't use it.
[02:48] <newbi> o_O
[02:48] <intelikey> newbi if it says thet the required port argument is missing then add a port argument
[02:48] <intelikey> doscan 80
[02:48] <newbi> 80?
[02:48] <newbi> thats it?
[02:48] <intelikey> thhp
[02:48] <siliconcpu> Jucato - in the konsole, right?
[02:49] <intelikey> http
[02:49] <Jucato> siliconcpu: Alt+F2 would be better
[02:49] <newbi> ???
[02:49] <intelikey> 80 is the http standard
[02:49] <siliconcpu> could not run specified command
[02:49] <intelikey> if you are scanning your own box  try port 0
[02:50] <siliconcpu> "knetworkmanager" (no quotes)
[02:50] <siliconcpu> doesn't work in the run =(
[02:50] <Jucato> O.o
[02:50] <Jucato> ok try it in Konsole
[02:51] <siliconcpu> wtf
[02:51] <siliconcpu> "the program is not currently installed"
[02:51] <intelikey> that might do it...
[02:52] <siliconcpu> well, i can't install it using sudo apt-get
[02:52] <siliconcpu> it can't find it
[02:52] <siliconcpu> =/
[02:52] <intelikey> that might be why it
[02:52] <intelikey> s not installed
[02:52] <intelikey> !punctuation > intelikey
[02:52] <siliconcpu> ?
[02:53] <newbi> siliconcpu: is knetwork in the K-menu?
[02:53] <posingaspopular> hey all. i somehow broke my /etc/init files and now nothing i try to run works properly
[02:53] <intelikey> siliconcpu sources.list
[02:53] <posingaspopular> newbi: yea under 'internet'
[02:54] <siliconcpu> newbi - k-menu?  I'm new to kubuntu... you mean the menu on the bottom left?
[02:54] <newbi> posingaspopular: i ask siliconcpu not you
[02:54] <newbi> siliconcpu: yes
[02:54] <siliconcpu> yeah, I see internet
[02:54] <intelikey> posingaspopular ?   breaking /etc/inittab or /etc/init.d/*   should not keep other commands from working     can you explain what kind of errors you are seeing ?
[02:55] <siliconcpu> newbi - i have "internet" under the k-menu
[02:55] <siliconcpu> is there something i'm suppose to look for under there?
[02:55] <Jucato> siliconcpu: do you see KNetworkmanager in there?
[02:55] <newbi> siliconcpu: and u want knetwork dont by the volume right?
[02:55] <siliconcpu> nope
[02:55] <Jucato> ok very strange...
[02:55] <siliconcpu> nope
[02:55] <siliconcpu> neither
[02:55] <Jucato> what does "sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager" say?
[02:55] <siliconcpu> I saw it on the bottom right yesterday, but now it's gone!
[02:56] <siliconcpu> says done on a few things and then says "Package knetworkmanager is not available"
[02:56] <siliconcpu> E: Package knetworkmanager has no installation candidate
[02:56] <intelikey> siliconcpu sources.list
[02:57] <intelikey> main not in sources.list
[02:57] <Jucato> most probably
[02:57] <Jucato> or disabled...
[02:57] <siliconcpu> what does that mean?
[02:57] <Jucato> !pastebin
[02:57] <newbi> siliconcpu: right click your panel,add application to panel>internet>knetwork
[02:57] <intelikey> !info knetworkmanager
[02:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:57] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 232 kB, installed size 1496 kB
[02:57] <Jucato> siliconcpu: use that pastebin link to show your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:58] <intelikey> Jucato just a thought,  you better make sure that the lsb_release and the sources.list match too
[02:59] <siliconcpu> where can I paste?
[02:59] <Jucato> pastebin, look up for the link
[02:59] <Jucato> intelikey: you can ask him that too :)
[02:59] <intelikey> been seeing some mismatches there.   causes very strange apt errors.
[03:00] <intelikey> me hates to but in and take over....
[03:00] <intelikey> /
[03:00] <Jucato> butt it's ok :)
[03:02] <newbi> how do i stop amsn from steeling people picture?my friend want to kill me from steeling there girlfriend pictures :( amsn does it by it self
[03:02] <siliconcpu> aye, this is making it so much harder to paste with no internet =(
[03:02] <intelikey> no internet ?
[03:03] <intelikey> you do seem to be talking here...
[03:03] <newbi> siliconcpu: u dont have internet so how u get on konversation?
[03:03] <siliconcpu> well, no internet on the laptop with the kubuntu installed
[03:03] <intelikey> oh ok.
[03:03] <siliconcpu> and for some reason the USB feature dont work either
[03:03] <siliconcpu> so i can throw the file on a thumb drive
[03:03] <siliconcpu> *can't
[03:04] <newbi> intelikey: it happen to me once i couldnt surf or nothing just chat on konversation for the first time i instal linux.it took me 1 week to fint the problem
[03:04] <user704> hello
[03:04] <newbi> hello
[03:04] <intelikey> siliconcpu ok don't paste the whole file.   try this.    grep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list     and show us the output of that
[03:07] <stdin2> hihihi
[03:07] <stdin> !nickspam | stdin2
[03:07] <ubotu> stdin2: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[03:07] <intelikey> it's garfold alright...
[03:07] <stdin2> o_O
[03:08] <Jucato> stdin2, xp_killer, newbi: please try not to get banned *again*
[03:08] <stdin2> lol
[03:08] <stdin2> i wont chaing it again
[03:08] <Jucato> better change it one last time
[03:08] <draik> Jucato: Hey there. How goes it?
[03:09] <Jucato> hi draik! :)
[03:09] <stdin2> lol
[03:09] <stdin2> Jucato: if i change again stdin might banned me :(
[03:10] <siliconcpu> is there anything specific that I should look for in the sources.list file?
[03:10] <stdin> right...
[03:10] <Jucato> ok... :)
[03:10] <BluesKaj> thx stdin , what aPITA
[03:10] <stdin> he can come back, just not as stdin2 :)
[03:11] <BluesKaj> no!
[03:11] <Jucato> stdin: didn't you just ban his domain too?
[03:11] <intelikey> siliconcpu yeah that main is in all three deb http:* 1) normal 2) updates 3) security
[03:11] <stdin> Jucato: i banned that nick@that-domain
[03:11] <Jucato> ah ok
[03:12] <draik> stdin sets a ban on stdin2!*@amarigot-102-1-7-211.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr
[03:12] <intelikey> siliconcpu also that the version   i.e.   feisty or gutsy  is the same in all lines  and that it matches the  lsb_release -a
[03:12] <stdin> see, it worked
[03:12] <Jucato> yep. there he is
[03:12] <garfield> lol very funny
[03:12] <BluesKaj> ban this one too ... garfield@amarigot-102-1-7-211.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr
[03:13] <Jucato> :/
[03:13] <stdin> garfield: you've been warned numerous times, watch it
[03:13] <draik> >|B^(
[03:13] <garfield> BluesKaj: what is garfield@amarigot-102-1-7-211.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr?
[03:14] <BluesKaj> <---old and grumpy ...can't take silly punky behaviour for very long
[03:14] <stdin> garfield: your username and hostname
[03:14] <garfield> and?
[03:14] <garfield> what was the point he showing it to me?
[03:14] <steven_> how do I make konqueror my defualt file manager?
[03:15] <Jucato> steven_: it's already the default. unless you're on gutsy?
[03:15] <xp_killer> steven_: it isnt your default?
[03:15] <steven_> Jucato: Using gutsy, and I'm looking a file associations
[03:15] <Jucato> steven_: inode/directory and inode/system_directory
[03:15] <BluesKaj> well BBL ...gonna take a break for a while
[03:15] <steven_> alright thanks
[03:15] <steven_> hm gutsy made it defualt now aswell! yay
[03:16] <steven_> I asumed it was not.
[03:16] <Jucato> (we'll see...)
[03:16] <Jucato> >:)
[03:16] <steven_> I don't get what is so great about dolphin
[03:16] <steven_> kinda is a step backward with kde
[03:16] <Jucato> on KDE 3? it isn't great at all imho
[03:16] <Jucato> but you should see the KDE 4 version. worlds apart
[03:16] <steven_> but its great in kde4
[03:16] <steven_> h
[03:16] <steven_> Well
[03:16] <draik> dolphin?
[03:16] <steven_> ill wait and see
[03:17] <steven_> yeah
[03:17] <Biovore> yeah.. kde3 version is lacking features
[03:17] <Jucato> besides, that dolphin in Gutsy isn't really dolphin ..
[03:17] <draik> What is dolphin?
[03:17] <Biovore> rgr
[03:17] <Jucato> it's d3lphin
[03:17] <Biovore> the new filemanger
[03:17] <Biovore> well not really all the new.. but kinda getting new light these days
[03:17] <steven_> Jucato: what is special about the kde4 version
[03:18] <Jucato> steven_: *lots*
[03:18] <steven_> ;o
[03:18] <siliconcpu> argh i wish there was a way I could paste this file =(
[03:18] <Jucato> did you know that development on the KDE 3 version stopped almost half a year ago?
[03:18] <siliconcpu> I can't get it off kubuntu and onto my other drive tho
[03:19] <kgx> !wengo
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wengo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <allengould> so, I'm a linux noob and need to install firefox.
[03:19] <draik> allengould: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:19] <allengould> I have it downloaded and extracted, but don't know hat to do next
[03:19] <draik> Do that in a command line
[03:19] <Jucato> allengould: um.. K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs -> Firefox
[03:19] <allengould> oh....
[03:20] <steven_> draik: you beat me to it only because my keyboard was on the floor
[03:20] <Jucato> allengould: K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs -> search for Firefox, check it, Apply Changes
[03:20] <draik> steven_: yeah yeah yeah.....
[03:20] <steven_> draik: I got's homework
[03:20] <allengould> I guess I'm used to the old days when you had to terminal everything lol
[03:21] <draik> Jucato: Thanks for the laugh...
[03:21] <Jucato> allengould: you could also follow draik's instructions.
[03:21] <steven_> or you could compile firefox!
[03:21] <Jucato> O.o
[03:21] <siliconcpu> any way I can pop the installation cd in and reinstall knetworkmanager?
[03:21] <steven_> that's the most fun
[03:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did miniville end up in the topic?  is it hosted on ubuntu machines?
[03:22] <Jucato> siliconcpu: what is the output of "lsb_release -d" in that laptop?
[03:22] <steven_> or you could develop your own kernel with special compile flags made to make firefox faster when you compile it...
[03:22] <draik> I walk into a bathroom today and I thought I heard someone letting some rip badly. Kinda like a MACK truck going uphill at a 30 degree incline. Next thing I hear is "OH $H!T. I fell asleep"
[03:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> being that this is an english channel, why is the link to a french site?  enquiring minds want to know :)
[03:23] <siliconcpu> Jucato - ubuntu 7.04
[03:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> evening, jucato
[03:23] <Jucato> hi Daisuke_Laptop
[03:23] <steven_> Daisuke_Laptop: I didn't even notice :P
[03:24] <siliconcpu> Jucato - anything wrong with my version?
[03:24] <Jucato> siliconcpu: nope. hold on trying to figure out the easiest way to do this
[03:24] <siliconcpu> okay, thanks... I appreciate it
[03:24] <viktor_> i need help imediatly i installed kubuntu 7.04 mu cpu fan does not work my laptop overheads please help
[03:25] <siliconcpu> when I type in ... "sudo iwlist eth1 scan" it can find my router, so I hope this is a good sign for getting the wireless card to work =P
[03:25] <Jucato> siliconcpu: you just can't connect to the internet on your laptop? can you remember what happened or what you did before you lost knetworkmanager?
[03:26] <intelikey> viktor_ that's a good question.      "howto turn the cpu fan on?"
[03:26] <siliconcpu> well, first of all I have a broadcom 4318 wireless card and I wasn't able to connect to my network
[03:26] <siliconcpu> I have no idea what happened to knetworkmanager though.  I don't remember disablling anything
[03:26] <viktor_> intelikey: help please
[03:27] <intelikey> viktor_ wish i knew.
[03:27] <siliconcpu> Jucato - this is my first time installing kubuntu on this machine
[03:27] <intelikey> viktor_ i'll look on    google.com/linux  for that.
[03:27] <Jucato> oh... hm...
[03:27] <NickPresta> how can I make knetworkmanager remember my WPA key instead of having me type it everytime?
[03:27] <viktor_> intelikey: me too
[03:28] <Jucato> siliconcpu: first try in installing, wireless didn't work? but you were able to see the icon beside kmix in the panel?
[03:28] <siliconcpu> yes sir.
[03:28] <siliconcpu> but... it couldnt' find a wireless network
[03:28] <siliconcpu> it was pretty much useless, but now I need it =(
[03:29] <Jucato> hm... I'm guessing the installation didn't go so well in the first place, if knetworkmanager isn't there at all :(
[03:29] <siliconcpu> lol
[03:29] <siliconcpu> what's the easiest way to reinstall?
[03:29] <siliconcpu> pop the cd in and format the drive again?
[03:29] <Jucato> which CD installer did you use btw?
[03:29] <Jucato> Desktop CD? Alternate Install CD?
[03:30] <Jucato> (Live CD = Desktop CD)
[03:30] <siliconcpu> I think it's a desktop CD
[03:30] <siliconcpu> cause it's a live cd
[03:30] <Jucato> oh :(
[03:30] <allengould> ok, so I suck. when do I type sudo apt-get install firefox ?
[03:30] <siliconcpu> Jucato, nething wrong with that?
[03:30] <Jucato> allengould: yep
[03:30] <allengould> and I tried doing the add programs, but it is greyed out?
[03:30] <Jucato> siliconcpu: nothing really wrong. just thinking if reinstalling is really the answer :(
[03:30] <allengould> firefox is greyed out I mean
[03:31] <siliconcpu> well, when i initially installed I had knetworkmanager =P
[03:31] <siliconcpu> lol
[03:31] <Ahmuck> allengould: in the konsole
[03:31] <siliconcpu> i'm as confused as you!
[03:31] <Jucato> I can understand if it's disabled. but you say even if you type it in the command line it says "not installed"?
[03:32] <Ahmuck> Jucato: he has the icon, but no binary i bet
[03:32] <allengould> ahmuck: yeah, but when? do I need to be in a certain folder?
[03:32] <Ahmuck> allengould: nope
[03:32] <Jucato> Ahmuck: no icon either.. that was his original problem
[03:32] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitude install firefox
[03:32] <siliconcpu> lol
[03:32] <siliconcpu> Jucato - what can i type in the console to check again
[03:32] <siliconcpu> I shall do it
[03:32] <allengould> well, it's not working
[03:32] <Jucato> siliconcpu: "knetworkmanager"
[03:33] <siliconcpu> if it isn't there, i'm just going to try to reinstall and start from square 1
[03:33] <Ahmuck> allengould: live cd or installed to the hard drive?
[03:33] <allengould> installed
[03:33] <siliconcpu> lol!
[03:33] <siliconcpu> Jucato - I don't know where it went =(
[03:33] <Jucato> allengould: which version of Kubuntu are you running? Dapper? Edgy? Feisty?
[03:33] <Ahmuck> allengould: i would sudo aptitude install yakuake as well or first.  you will find it a real help
[03:33] <allengould> Feisty
[03:33] <Jucato> siliconcpu: definitely not in my pocket...
[03:33] <siliconcpu> Jucato - lol, got a command I can check for it?
[03:33] <siliconcpu> a search?
[03:33] <Jucato> allengould: hm.. the repositories should already be all enabled...
[03:34] <Jucato> siliconcpu: "knetworkmanager"
[03:34] <Jucato> that's the command
[03:34] <Ahmuck> Jucato: ah, yes, forgot about that
[03:34] <RurouniJones> If I remove firefox and reinstall via apt-get will I lose personal things like bookmarks?
[03:34] <Ahmuck> allengould: open up adept manager
[03:34] <Jucato> allengould: what does it say when you run "sudo apt-get install firefox" ?
[03:34] <Jucato> RurouniJones: no. apt-get doesn't touch your home files
[03:34] <Jucato> Ahmuck: don't. I'm about to go...
[03:34] <RurouniJones> Groovy, what about addons? They get removed?
[03:34] <allengould> just a sec guys. I suck and I'm slow
[03:35] <siliconcpu> Jucato - i will reinstall =/
[03:35] <Jucato> RurouniJones: probably not
[03:35] <Jucato> siliconcpu: sorry it had to happen that way :(
[03:35] <Ahmuck> allengould: that's ok, you'll get better
[03:35] <siliconcpu> lol, it's alright
[03:35] <siliconcpu> i'm going to start over and hopefully get it to work this time
[03:35] <RurouniJones> Jucato: Hmm, where do the addon files get stored? I am pretty sure they are messing firefox up, hence the need to reinstall
[03:36] <Jucato> siliconcpu: good luck
[03:36] <allengould> it says package not available
[03:36] <Jucato> RurouniJones: wouldn't know.. I barely use firefox, and I don't use addons :)
[03:36] <Ahmuck> siliconcpu: you should not need to start over
[03:36] <Jucato> siliconcpu: see if Ahmuck has some ideas.
[03:36] <Jucato> 2 heads are better than one
[03:36] <Ahmuck> RurouniJones: the addon files get stored in /plugins
[03:36] <Ahmuck> i believe
[03:37] <RurouniJones> Found it in the .mozilla/firefox/extensions
[03:37] <draik> How can I get a DVD to go from 6.4 to 3.9GB
[03:37] <RurouniJones> I think
[03:37] <brad__> Any ideas as to how I can disable my touchpad on my laptop? I use an external mouse.
[03:37] <Ahmuck> RurouniJones: /.mozilla/firefox/default/extensions
[03:37] <Ahmuck> bleh, he beat me to it
[03:37] <allengould> jucato/ahmuck: it says package not available
[03:37] <Ahmuck> allengould: do you have adept manager open?
[03:38] <Ahmuck> K --> system --> adept manager
[03:38] <allengould> that the same as adept installer?
[03:38] <Jucato> nope
[03:38] <Ahmuck> :-p
[03:38] <allengould> lol thanks jucato
[03:38] <allengould> uh.... ok, just a sec lol
[03:38] <Jucato> Add/Remove Programs = Adept Installer
[03:38] <Ahmuck> allengould: u r on kubuntu correct?
[03:38] <Jucato> the other Adept..
[03:38] <allengould> duh. found it
[03:38] <Jucato> (gawd I hate those naming things!)
[03:38] <allengould> yeah, kiubuntu
[03:38] <makuseru> hi, i have a Mororola Razr phone, and when i plug it through USB into the computer the computer wont recognize and charge it like it will on a comp with Windows
[03:38] <Jucato> allengould: don't worry, you're not the first to be confused by the names
[03:38] <makuseru> is there somthing i need to do this?
[03:39] <Ahmuck> upper right, adept, manage repostiroeis
[03:39] <allengould> I'm in it now
[03:39] <Ahmuck> kubuntu software, and check them all
[03:39] <Jucato> Ahmuck: Feisty doesn't have the new Manage Repositories....
[03:40] <Ahmuck> ?
[03:40] <Ahmuck> hrm, i'm on gutsy
[03:40] <allengould> haha
[03:40] <Jucato> Feisty and Gutsy have completely different manage repositories
[03:40] <allengould> I was like wtf?
[03:40] <draik> makuseru: I don't know about mororola, but Motorola is a "not so good" brand for cell phones. They care less and less each day. I can, however, plugin my phone (T-Mobile Wing) and have it charge. I cannot access the phone as a drive, though.
[03:40] <NickPresta> !gutsy | Ahmuck
[03:40] <ubotu> Ahmuck: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:40] <NickPresta> crap. stupid autocompletion
[03:40] <NickPresta> i didnt mean to direct it to Ahmuck
[03:41] <NickPresta> although I thought that bit would have the link to Gutsy
[03:41] <Ahmuck> but, iirc, fiesty does have a repositiory manager from adept somewhere
[03:41] <Ahmuck> ?
[03:41] <Jucato> yes. but the layout is different
[03:41] <Jucato> Ahmuck, allengould: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:41] <Jucato> top half is Gutsy, lower half is Feisty and older
[03:42] <Ahmuck> i normally sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:42] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:42] <Jucato> sudo vim...
[03:42] <Jucato> allengould:  is this a very fresh install of Kubuntu?
[03:42] <allengould> yeah, a couple of hours lol
[03:42] <Ahmuck> allengould: ya, follow the link Jucato posted.  it has instructions
[03:43] <Jucato> allengould: ok, Adept menu -> Manage Repositories. you're in there now?
[03:43] <Ahmuck> i've always had to enable repositories to get firefox to download
[03:43] <Jucato> Ahmuck: since Feisty, all repos are enabled.. but I think the cdrom repo is getting in the way
[03:43] <Ahmuck> NickPresta: gutsty tribe 5 is what i am running, it works well.
[03:43] <allengould> I'm in adept manager?
[03:43] <Jucato> allengould: yep.
[03:44] <allengould> ok, now what?
[03:44] <Jucato> allengould: upper right, in the menu bar, there's the Adept menu. right? select Manage Repositories
[03:44] <allengould> k
[03:44] <siliconcpu> Jucato - i did see the knetworkmanager on the live desktop =P
[03:44] <Jucato> allengould: do you see a line there that begins with "cdrom" that isn't grayed out?
[03:44] <draik> Jucato: Remember yesterday's little problem with the laptop?
[03:45] <Jucato> draik: um.. sorry if I don't.. I was slightly sick yesterday
[03:45] <draik> Oh, sure. NOW you're sick
[03:45] <Jucato> siliconcpu: oh... it might have not been installed/copied over...
[03:45] <Jucato> draik: aw c'mon! I can be sick once in a while... :P
[03:45] <siliconcpu> jucato - we shall see =P
[03:46] <draik> Jucato: You said you were, then you said you weren't ... make up your mind, buddy!
[03:46] <siliconcpu> is there a way i can install it from the CD if it doesn't copy over?
[03:46] <Jucato> siliconcpu: don't think so...
[03:46] <allengould> ok.. I accidently hit fetch updates and it's downloading a bunch of stuff...
[03:46] <allengould> sorry.
[03:46] <siliconcpu> hmm
[03:46] <siliconcpu> could I try a redownload or something?
[03:46] <draik> siliconcpu: Great question. I've been wondering that for a while now, too.
[03:46] <Jucato> allengould: hm.. ok... wait for it to finish...
[03:46] <siliconcpu> I'm puzzled, lol
[03:47] <allengould> almost done
[03:47] <Jucato> draik: I had the flu since sunday. yesterday the flu was replaced by the migraine...
[03:47] <siliconcpu> eeek
[03:47] <allengould> brb afk a sec
[03:47] <Jucato> of course your yesterday and my yesterday don't exactly match, do they
[03:47] <draik> I wish I could get your migranes. I can't even look at a 1W bulb. Heck, an LED kills me
[03:47] <XsteelWolf> Anyone knows how how to configure wireless on Knetwork Manager? After i connect to a network that it appears on the list,no popup for me to keyin wpa-psk key, and it always hang at 28% and then knetwork manager will just crash
[03:47] <siliconcpu> rofl
[03:48] <siliconcpu> "omg a lightning bug! KILL IT!"
[03:48] <NickPresta> I was reading the Tribe 5 wiki page and apparently kdesudo replaces kdesu in Gusty. Will there be a symlink so anything written to use kdesu will still work?
[03:48] <Jucato> NickPresta: that's the way it works
[03:48] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: manual configuration
[03:48] <NickPresta> Jucato, okay, neat
[03:48] <Jucato> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-09-19 08:09 /usr/bin/kdesu -> kdesudo
[03:48] <XsteelWolf> ahmuck,how do i do that
[03:49] <siliconcpu> lol
[03:49] <XsteelWolf> what do i do at /etc/network/interfaces
[03:49] <Jucato> XsteelWolf: I think what Ahmuck meant was to right-click on the knetworkmanager icon and select Manual Configuration
[03:49] <siliconcpu> Jucato - if this installation doesn't install knetworkmanager, should I just redownload the install or something?
[03:49] <allengould> ok, back. the only thing I can find is under third party software it says add CD rom. so no
[03:50] <XsteelWolf> Jucato,i did that,still getting 28% or either the whole knetwork manager will just crash,after it's crash,no wirelessnetwork will be detected
[03:50] <Jucato> allengould: er.. you have a third party software tab? O.o
[03:50] <Jucato> XsteelWolf: oh.. wait for Ahmuck then :)
[03:50] <allengould> I clicked on adept then clicked on manage repositories...
[03:50] <Jucato> lol my apologies Ahmuck and allengould
[03:51] <allengould> lmao
[03:51] <allengould> not as confused as I am
[03:51] <Jucato> hold on a sec
[03:51] <Jucato> Ahmuck: my bad. the new Manage Repos has been in feisty too... sorry :)
[03:51] <Ahmuck> allengould: do a print screen of what you have and  post it
[03:52] <allengould> hehe... I'm not on that computer.
[03:52] <Jucato> allengould: in the Third Party Software tab, there are no cdrom lines there with checkboxes?
[03:52] <Ahmuck> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu have you followed this?  does it look the same?
[03:53] <Jucato> bah! I'm leaving it to Ahmuck... too many cooks have spoiled the dish... :(
[03:53] <Jucato> really sorry
[03:53] <Ahmuck> heh ... but your better than i am Jucato
[03:53] <Jucato> not this time apparently heheh
[03:53] <Jucato> anyway I should be doing something...
[03:54] <allengould> ok, I see that the screenshot on the site shows unsupported updates selected. should I select that?
[03:54] <Ahmuck> yes
[03:54] <XsteelWolf> Ahmuck,you got the manual configuration yet?
[03:54] <Ahmuck> unsupported and recommended
[03:54] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: nope
[03:54] <siliconcpu> nooo Jucato dont leave
[03:54] <siliconcpu> you're my good luck
[03:54] <Ahmuck> sorry, one thing at a time
[03:54] <allengould> ok it's downloading stuf
[03:54] <allengould> *stuff
[03:55] <Ahmuck> kewl
[03:55] <Ahmuck> when it's done you should be able to type in the search box firefox
[03:55] <Ahmuck> allengould: you chose recommended updates as well i hope
[03:56] <allengould> ok, it pulled up all the firefox stuff
[03:56] <allengould> yeah
[03:56] <Ahmuck> great.  so what you need now is firefox, then you can type in the search box yakuake, etc.
[03:57] <Ahmuck> you can install multiple programs in one shot
[03:57] <Ahmuck> i would install yakuake, as i think it will save you time
[03:57] <XsteelWolf> let me know when you get the manual config ahmuck,thanks
[03:57] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: sure thing
[03:57] <allengould> stupid question alert: add yakuake after 'firefox' in the search?
[03:58] <Ahmuck> allengould: you will find if you know the package name, it is easier just to F12, open yakuake, and then "sudo aptitude install program_name"
[03:58] <allengould> ok
[03:58] <Ahmuck> allengould: no, just type it in new
[03:58] <Ahmuck> replace firefox
[03:58] <Ahmuck> er, in the search parameter
[03:58] <Ahmuck> er, my spelling is getting bad
[03:59] <siliconcpu> you guys ever see that show "big brother" it's the stupidest show EVER!
[03:59] <intelikey> !info yakuake
[03:59] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 512 kB
[03:59] <allengould> when I do that it gets rid of all the firefox stuff
[04:00] <BluesKaj> siliconcpu, wife says it's fixed
[04:00] <siliconcpu> BluesKaj - don't watch it! it's horrible
[04:00] <Ahmuck> allengould: yes, but you clicked firefox and did a "request install" correct?
[04:01] <siliconcpu> my gf watches it and i hate it
[04:01] <allengould> uh.... heh... maybe...
[04:01] <allengould> or not
[04:01] <Ahmuck> well, when you do, it will say "install" to the left, then you can add the next package
[04:01] <allengould> ok, clicked request install on both. now what?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> I don't watch it , siliconcpu ...don't watch any of those un-"reality" shows
[04:03] <Ahmuck> click the button on top that says "apply changes"
[04:03] <draik> HPdvd640
[04:03] <allengould> k
[04:03] <draik> Any known issues?
[04:03] <allengould> downloading stuff
[04:03] <draik> My friend's desktop has the HP Lightscribe DVD burner
[04:04] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: k, manual configuration i need to enter my ESSID
[04:04] <XsteelWolf> can you paste me out a sample?
[04:04] <Ahmuck> so i am DHCP, but using a ESSID
[04:04] <draik> It can read a DVD and play for a while, but when it comes to burning, it will crap out automatically.
[04:04] <BluesKaj> draik, so is mine , it works just fine
[04:04] <Ahmuck> in my case because my ESSID or SSID is hidden
[04:04] <siliconcpu> Jucato - u still there?
[04:04] <draik> All other DVDs will play/read for a while and then die
[04:04] <draik> BluesKaj: Any necessary drivers?
[04:04] <Ahmuck> allengould: so what do you like to do on a computer - software program wise?
[04:04] <Jucato> siliconcpu: now that you called me, yes....
[04:05] <BluesKaj> mine's the 740 , draik
[04:05] <siliconcpu> lol
[04:05] <draik> Any major diff from 740 to 640? Can you write on the DVD as intended (lightscribe)?
[04:05] <makuseru> does anyone have any experiance with morotola phones and linux?
[04:05] <siliconcpu> Jucato - it's there@@
[04:05] <siliconcpu> !!!
[04:05] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: heh, forget the manual
[04:05] <siliconcpu> !!
[04:05] <BluesKaj> no drivers required , works right out of the box
[04:05] <Jucato> siliconcpu: !!
[04:05] <XsteelWolf> why?
[04:05] <Jucato> siliconcpu: so it's ok now?
[04:05] <Ahmuck> there is an option for "configure other wireless network"
[04:06] <siliconcpu> well, let me try this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty for instructions
[04:06] <Ahmuck> enter in the ESSID and then you have an option for usign WPA, etc.
[04:06] <BluesKaj> draik, i haven't bothered trying the lightscribe
[04:06] <draik> BluesKaj: Do you know if it works?
[04:06] <compilerwriter> ok gentlemen I have been trying out differen DE's and somehow some of my settings for kde got botched.  I have some really funky background settings goin on now.  How do I get them back?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> dunno
[04:06] <Ahmuck> allengould: so, you like graphics, music, movies, programming?
[04:07] <XsteelWolf> I did that option.
[04:07] <draik> BluesKaj: What media do you use, brand-wise?
[04:07] <XsteelWolf> it doesn't connect
[04:07] <Ahmuck> i can point you to some great applications
[04:07] <XsteelWolf> all i got to was only 28%,stuck,and knetwork manager crash
[04:07] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: your own router or some inet cafe?
[04:07] <XsteelWolf> my own
[04:07] <BluesKaj> fuji, memorex, sony verbatim
[04:07] <Ahmuck> XsteelWolf: you don't have mac filtering on your router enabled do you?
[04:08] <XsteelWolf> nope
[04:08] <XsteelWolf> im able to connect through vista on same laptop
[04:08] <XsteelWolf> just not knetwork manager
[04:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> your wireless card isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces is it?
[04:08] <Ahmuck> the knetworkmanager has crashed?  you'll need to restart it i suspect.  i am in unkown territory now
[04:09] <Ahmuck> has your wireless worked in an open system?
[04:09] <michaelpo> how do i get options globetrotter 3g card working? i've installed gcom.. then i run the command at terminal: gcom -d /dev/noz0... it seems i'm connected to the 3g... but... how do i get ubuntu to connect through the 3g card? how do i setup at the -> system -> network?
[04:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh...  is it wep?
[04:09] <michaelpo> SIM ready
[04:09] <michaelpo> Waiting for Registration..(120 sec max)
[04:09] <michaelpo> Registered on Home network: "MY MAXIS",2
[04:09] <michaelpo> Signal Quality: 20,99
[04:09] <draik> BluesKaj: He's using Maxell. Any issues with this brand?
[04:09] <allengould> I rarely use irc. you get my replies ahmuck?
[04:09] <Ahmuck> nope.
[04:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> try wep 64-bit hex
[04:09] <allengould> hmm.
[04:09] <BluesKaj> none that I'm aware of , draik
[04:09] <allengould> how do you whisper to someone?
[04:10] <XsteelWolf> im on wpa-psk
[04:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> media brand means very little next to media manufacturer
[04:10] <Ahmuck>  /msg
[04:10] <allengould> haha
[04:10] <draik> I'm trying to narrow down to one issue or something that will tell me "THIS IS THE PROBLEM!!!"
[04:11] <FIRESIDE91> What's the hammer for?
[04:11] <Ahmuck> THIS IS YOUR SOLUTION :-)
[04:11] <draik> WITHOUT creating a new issue
[04:11] <allengould> you get that response ahmuck?
[04:11] <FIRESIDE91> What are we breaking up?
[04:11] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Same friend. His HPDVD640 drive won't burn or read DVDs before dying.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> lightscribe not working draik ?...that's not surprising most of the lightscribe software is buggy from what I've heard.
[04:11] <draik> I don't know if he's even tried it when he had winxp
[04:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> that 640i is perhaps the biggest piece of crap i ever owned
[04:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> it lasted a couple months
[04:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> did a couple lightscribe burns
[04:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> and the whole thing went all wahoonie-shaped
[04:12] <Ahmuck> allengould: nope
[04:13] <BluesKaj> lightscribe isn't ready for primetime , methinks
[04:13] <draik> I never cared for it
[04:13] <FIRESIDE91> Big business loves to push out alpha technologies just to make more $$$
[04:13] <allengould> did you get my response to your message ahmuck? lol
[04:14] <draik> My friend keeps insisting that it's got something to do with drivers. I don't, but I thought I'd humor him
[04:14] <BluesKaj> dvd burners are cheap anyway
[04:14] <FIRESIDE91> LiteOn DVD drives and NEC DVD drives are the best
[04:15] <draik> I have a Memorex CD Burner with DVD read and a Memorex DVD DL Burner
[04:15] <Ahmuck> allengould: nope
[04:15] <FIRESIDE91> I have some random DVD drive (READ-ONLY) and a KHypermedia CD-RW in my system....really old drives (98 era)
[04:16] <allengould> eh, well. ok ahmuck, they were installed. now how do I access firefox?
[04:17] <Ahmuck> K --> Internet --> Firefox
[04:17] <BluesKaj> the HP 740b is still working just fine after 18mos
[04:17] <allengould> cool, got it
[04:17] <Ahmuck> np
[04:17] <allengould> not registered btw
[04:18] <Ahmuck>  /msg nickserv register
[04:18] <chris_> how do i change the resolution higher than 640 x 480 if thats as high as it shows in system settings
[04:18] <draik> Sorry, minor hiccup there
[04:18] <draik> Had to reboot
[04:18] <Ahmuck> allengould: /join #somechannel
[04:19] <draik> 740b? Is that the following model?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> dunno
[04:20] <chris_> how do i change the resolution higher than 640 x 480 if thats as high as it shows in system settings, i can barely see windows because it fills more than the full screen
[04:20] <BluesKaj> draik, it came with the compaq presario SR1734X pc ...to me one dvd burner is pretty much the same as any other
[04:21] <Ahmuck> chris_: K --> system settings --> monitor and display
[04:21] <draik> BluesKaj: He added his to the pos Dell he purchased through his job
[04:21] <chris_> i know that
[04:21] <chris_> but i cant get any higher than 640 x 480
[04:22] <Mr_Sonoma> chris_, what video card do you have?
[04:22] <BluesKaj> draik, will it burn anything ?
[04:22] <Ahmuck> is your hardware set right?
[04:22] <draik> Nope
[04:22] <chris_> 1 sec, well anyways i could go to a higher res in xp..
[04:22] <lewix> damn
[04:22] <draik> If you put a DVD movie in, it will show about 5 mintues tops
[04:22] <lewix> I hate xchat
[04:23] <FIRESIDE91> So do I now
[04:23] <draik> Blank DVD... k3b sees it for a split second and then it's gone. k3b won't even see the drive in the settings
[04:23] <draik> Once it dies, it keep the DVD inside
[04:23] <BluesKaj> lewix, konversation !
[04:23] <lewix> it doesnt log long conversation on the channel
[04:23] <FIRESIDE91> chris_ : What res could you it in XP?
[04:23] <lewix> i mean the channel window
[04:23] <FIRESIDE91> lewix: You can make xchat do logging
[04:23] <lewix> FIRESIDE91, i know but i would like to see it when i scroll up
[04:24] <chris_> um, like 1200 x 700 around there i think
[04:24] <FIRESIDE91> oooo
[04:24] <Mr_Sonoma> you can increase the buffer i believe in xchat
[04:24] <FIRESIDE91> chris_: widescreen?
[04:24] <chris_> ya
[04:24] <FIRESIDE91> How big is the monitor?
[04:24] <lewix> 17inch
[04:24] <chris_> just like 15 inch, hd monitor
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> ahh
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> hold on sec
[04:25] <chris_> kk ty
[04:25] <draik> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    ?
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> chris: are you sure the resolution wasn't 1440x900 ?
[04:26] <chris_> ya im pretty sure
[04:26] <FIRESIDE91> Do you have a XP partition you can boot into?
[04:27] <chris_> i just deleted it, i was gona make one but i havnt had time yet just got this distro
[04:27] <draik> What is the Linux equivalent of m$ money?
[04:27] <Ahmuck> draik: you can't "eject"
[04:27] <FIRESIDE91> draik: Gnucash
[04:27] <Ahmuck>  draik, kymymoney
[04:27] <chris_> should i look online for my video cards drivers?
[04:27] <lewix> L$ money
[04:27] <FIRESIDE91> chris: well. use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:27] <Ahmuck> homebank?
[04:28] <chris_> ok
[04:28] <panpillowts> sob, someone claimed my nick
[04:28] <panpillowts> how dare they
[04:28] <panpillowts> i am the only pillowpants
[04:28] <FIRESIDE91> uhmm... /nickserv?
[04:29] <silicon2k7> kubuntu works with my ethernet but not wireless, hmmm
[04:29] <silicon2k7> does kubuntu work better with WEP or WPA?
[04:29] <junkeR> hello can someone help me w/ partioning a drive?
[04:29] <lewix> why do u use pillows as pants
[04:29] <lewix> panpillowts,
[04:29] <lewix> junkeR, knoppix
[04:29] <panpillowts> lewix: if you havent seen clerks, i wont explain
[04:29] <Ahmuck> junkeR: what do you need?
[04:29] <junkeR> I installed kubuntu using the entire harddrive, but I would like to resize it and make a ntfs partition of like 5 gigs
[04:30] <draik> junkeR: QTparted
[04:30] <Ahmuck> or gparted
[04:30] <draik> 5 gigs?
[04:30] <panpillowts> how might i get a divx plugin to work for my feisty amd64 browser?
[04:30] <draik> That's hardly enough for an NTFS-compatible OS
[04:30] <lewix> make the linux partition 5go
[04:30] <junkeR> well... I basically want to play starcraft
[04:31] <junkeR> and wine didn't run it all that well IIRC
[04:31] <lewix> i dont use linux for multimedia so I dont need that much space
[04:31] <junkeR> I want battle.net support to play online
[04:31] <FIRESIDE91> panpillowts: Uhm.....sudo apt-get install libxine0-ffmpeg ?
[04:31] <BluesKaj> panpillowts, ffmpeg
[04:31] <panpillowts> FIRESIDE91: ill search for it
[04:31] <FIRESIDE91> lewix: multimedia?  That takes more space than starcraft, besides, I though starcraft ran under WINE?
[04:31] <draik> junkeR: Have you tried Cedega?
[04:31] <silicon2k7> Jucato: u there?
[04:32] <junkeR> yea but that costs money!
[04:32] <lewix> FIRESIDE91, i didnt get you
[04:32] <FIRESIDE91> WINE (READ: FREE) runs starcraft
[04:32] <chris_> just make a windows parition
[04:32] <FIRESIDE91> lewix: sudo apt-get install wine .......
[04:32] <BluesKaj> gamrez , buy a Wii or PS or....
[04:33] <draik> FIRESIDE91: You're right. I think it runs really easy under WINE
[04:33] <panpillowts> junkeR: i nabbed a pirated cedega over bit torrent easy, one doesnt have to pay if one does not want to
[04:33] <panpillowts> just to let you know
[04:33] <junkeR> I did that too...
[04:33] <junkeR> but it was an older version
[04:33] <junkeR> can cedega run starcraft flawless w/ battle.net support?
[04:33] <FIRESIDE91> panpillowts: You know this channel is logged?
[04:34] <_pillowpants> junkeR: i had it working once
[04:34] <_pillowpants> bnet gives everything trouble though
[04:34] <FIRESIDE91> junkeR: WINE, without the cedega patches, runs starcraft just fine...
[04:34] <draik> _pillowpants: So, I see you like to be your own undertaker
[04:34] <_pillowpants> FIRESIDE91: depends, it runs a little laggy on my system
[04:34] <junkeR> well a little lag is always fine.. but.
[04:34] <draik> _pillowpants: Depends on your specs, then.
[04:34] <FIRESIDE91> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=149
[04:34] <junkeR> I'll try wine I guess
[04:34] <intelikey> and what an undertaking it is...
[04:34] <_pillowpants> junkeR: youll probably have no trouble with wine
[04:35] <draik> junkeR: Go to the link FIRESIDE91 has provided you
[04:35] <Jucato> silicon2k7: sorry just got back
[04:35] <BluesKaj> bah , play it in windows ...just setup a ntfs partition
[04:35] <intelikey> thoughts on  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39605 ?
[04:35] <junkeR> so the only thing that doesn't work is UDP netplay?
[04:35] <junkeR> oh wait.  I also want to play simcity 2000 as well!!
[04:36] <FIRESIDE91> simcity 2000 should run as well...
[04:36] <junkeR> that didn't run too good on Wine.. no music or SFX at all
[04:36] <junkeR> but I miss the awesome music, etc.
[04:36] <FIRESIDE91> simcity 2000 is old anyways...
[04:37] <intelikey> yeah ancient
[04:37] <FIRESIDE91> though that means it should run...annoying
[04:37] <intelikey> eight years !    no one in their right mind would ever run any code that old ....
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[04:38] <FIRESIDE91> junkeR: Try out Lincity-NG
[04:38] <BluesKaj> hey intelikey , i know some ppl who still run W98 and won't change :)
[04:38] <_pillowpants> intelikey: starcraft is older than that
[04:39] <Mr_Sonoma> lol intelikey ...... i wont mention any DOS 3.x systems running around my house then *grin*
[04:39] <FIRESIDE91> O.o Mr_Sonoma
[04:39] <intelikey> no one reads html anymore ???
[04:39] <FIRESIDE91> I read HTML....do you intelikey?
[04:40] <_pillowpants> Mr_Sonoma: you actually have dos systems running at your house? what do you use them for?
[04:40] <draik> I deal with HTML all day
[04:40] <intelikey> guess not... FIRESIDE91 </rant_on_ancent code>
[04:41] <draik> What is simcity anyway? I played the Sims with the expansion, but that's as far as that went
[04:41] <Mr_Sonoma> DOS system running MFJcom (a ham radio Terminal Node Controller software) on a Tandy 1000RL
[04:41] <Mr_Sonoma> with the color CGA monitor
[04:41] <FIRESIDE91> O.o
[04:41] <BluesKaj> hey ,ancient codes wrote the bible :)
[04:41] <draik> BluesKaj: LOL
[04:41] <FIRESIDE91> I wish I still had that old NeXTCube....
[04:41] <_pillowpants> Mr_Sonoma: nifty
[04:42] <draik> Which one of the many?
[04:42] <Mr_Sonoma> it does the job nicely for 1200 bps signals
[04:42] <FIRESIDE91> BluesKaj: But no one cares about the bible anywhere
[04:42] <FIRESIDE91> The correct joke: But...but....ancient codes wrote ENIAC!
[04:43] <intelikey> :)
[04:43] <draik> <Homer - Simpsons Movie> This book doesn't have any answers </Homer - Simpsons Movie>
[04:43] <evan_> is it possiable to hide the bar at the very top of konsole, the bar w/ the close, minimize... buttons? i read the man pages but saw nothing relating to that
[04:44] <junkeR> alright, I downloaded QTParted but I am unable to change the partition sizes
[04:44] <chris_> evan_: fullscreen
[04:44] <draik> junkeR: Once you downloaded QTparted, did you run it?
[04:44] <FIRESIDE91> junkeR: What did you format your partition as?
[04:44] <evan_> chris: ok thats what i want, just not fullscreen
[04:44] <draik> It's not going to partition itself
[04:45] <BluesKaj> FIRESIDE91, oh you speak for ppl everywhere ?
[04:45] <Mr_Sonoma> evan_, you could go to a tty login by hitting cntrl + alt + F1 but remember you have to hit cntrl + alt + F7 to get back to the gui
[04:45] <chris_> evan_:  ok then i dont know how for sure
[04:45] <FIRESIDE91> Yes it is draik, computers are magic
[04:45] <evan_> chris_:thanks
[04:45] <junkeR> alright it's a 40 GB drive.  36 is EXT3 and 1.5 linux swap
[04:45] <draik> My common response to our members "It's internet magic. We control the internet fairies"
[04:45] <junkeR> I want to take 5 GB from the ext3 and make it NTFS
[04:46] <junkeR> I am running qtparted 0.4.5 right now
[04:46] <evan_> Mr_Sonoma: thats not quite what i want either, thanks tho
[04:46] <draik> junkeR: How big is your HDD. I'd go 10GB for the sake of having that necessary space
[04:46] <chris_> ooo
[04:46] <chris_> evan_:  click on to left icon and go to no border
[04:46] <_pillowpants> yeah, im actually looking to repartition a big fat32 section, which program would i use?
[04:47] <junkeR> I guess I can always just reinstall kubuntu using the correct partition sizes.... but that'd take a couple hours of my time
[04:47] <lewix> i need a shell
[04:47] <junkeR> the hard drive is 40 gb total
[04:47] <draik> lewix: Snail? Turtle? Crab?
[04:47] <chris_> evan_: top left icon, advanced, no border] 
[04:47] <lewix> does someone have a server and is willing to give mme a shell lol
[04:48] <lewix> draik, what's that
[04:48] <draik> junkeR: You can have 10 to ntfs and the rest to ext3
[04:48] <draik> lewix: shells
[04:48] <junkeR> yea that sounds good. but the program is not allowing me to resize the ext3 partition
[04:48] <lewix> draik, it does not really matter. I just want to exercise
[04:48] <junkeR> the status of the drive is 'busy'
[04:48] <steven_> eh
[04:48] <lewix> with remote shells
[04:49] <steven_> when I run compiz fusion I dont get the little window things where I can drag around
[04:49] <draik> Wait...
[04:49] <draik> You can't run QTParted on a live partition. Can you? I think you're better off using the LiveCD for QTParted while leaving your Kubuntu partition alone.
[04:50] <junkeR> oh okay.. so boot up a live cd, install qtparted then I can resize?
[04:50] <draik> No need to install QTParted, it's on the LiveCD
[04:50] <draik> Yes
[04:50] <junkeR> I figured I'd have to do a safe mode of some sort.  I completely forgot about the live CD
[04:50] <junkeR> okay, I will do that.
[04:50] <junkeR> thanks a lot!
[04:50] <draik> Welcome
[04:50] <draik> I need my memory pills
[04:51] <draik> Quick relapse with "drive is busy"
[04:51] <lewix> lol draik ..I thoufht the 'wait..' was for me
[04:51] <FIRESIDE91> who needed a shell?
[04:51] <draik> FIRESIDE91: lewix did
[04:51] <FIRESIDE91> for what purpose did he need it?
[04:51] <FIRESIDE91> lewix: You aren't planning on running a botnet are you?
[04:52] <lewix> FIRESIDE91, no..I just want to experiment
[04:52] <FIRESIDE91> =P
[04:52] <intelikey> hehhe....
[04:52] <tzanger> good evening
[04:52] <FIRESIDE91> I remember quite a few free shells around the net...they're good depending on what you want to do
[04:53] <tzanger> is there an easy way to install kubuntu to a single system, and then mirror that installation to a dozen other identical systems?  short of taking the drive out and literally copying it I mean
[04:53] <lewix> FIRESIDE91, just try one for the first time..lol and do whatever I can
[04:53] <FIRESIDE91> tzanger: netboot maybe?
[04:53] <draik> tzanger: Ghost?
[04:53] <tzanger> FIRESIDE91: how does that help?  I need these systems to be installed identically, but they'll each diverge as time goes on
[04:54] <tzanger> draik: hmm I was hoping for some kind of apt-cache store-state command that would give me a file that I could feed to apt-get make-identical or something :-)
[04:54] <tzanger> I'm just talking that the systems would have identical package sets and so on
[04:54] <FIRESIDE91> lzanger: How about make a script that installs everything on top of Kubuntu...
[04:55] <tzanger> yeah I think I may have to end up doing that
[04:55] <FIRESIDE91> Not that bad...you COULD remaster the CD, but you might run out of space and paitence...
[04:55] <draik> FIRESIDE91: I had a MAJOR issue doing that. I tried and failed
[04:56] <FIRESIDE91> draik: Doing what again?
[04:56] <draik> FIRESIDE91: remastering my own. It went from CD to DVD... almost DL DVD
[04:56] <FIRESIDE91> lol
[04:57] <draik> I have a 500GB HDD. 347GB going to Kubuntu, 112GB to ntfs and 4GB as swap
[04:59] <tzanger> FIRESIDE91: apparently you can use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections to get all the packages lined up, and I think rsync or tar will let me get any /etc changes I made by hand
[04:59] <tzanger> anyway I need to get some sleep... ttyl and thanks
[05:02] <Combatjuan> How do I set up a user that is "chrooted" to a particul directory and has only read permissions for the things in that directory and its subdirectories?
[05:03] <Combatjuan> I guess I man a user that doesn't really have a home directory.  (This would be for ssh logins and access to certain files).
[05:03] <FIRESIDE91> Combatjuan: That's a little hard to do
[05:04] <intelikey> !jail
[05:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jail - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:04] <Combatjuan> FIRESIDE91:  That's why I'm here.  (-8
[05:04] <intelikey> !chroot
[05:04] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:04] <intelikey> pfft
[05:04] <BluesKaj> !info jail
[05:04] <ubotu> jail: Just Another ICMP Logger. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.6-6 (feisty), package size 16 kB, installed size 140 kB
[05:05] <Combatjuan> Keep trying.  (-8
[05:05] <stdin> !info schroot
[05:05] <ubotu> schroot: Execute commands in a chroot environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.5-1 (feisty), package size 467 kB, installed size 1440 kB
[05:05] <Combatjuan> Well, I could give them a regular home directory with symlinks to the places I want them to have access to.  But how do I keep them from running programs and whatnot?
[05:06] <intelikey> oh i thought there might be an infonode on that.    but alas     and behold, "i thought"
[05:06] <stdin> intelikey: add one :p
[05:06] <intelikey> there are some good howto's already on the web.   look for "chroot jail"
[05:07] <BluesKaj> sacktime again  *v*  nite all
[05:07] <intelikey> stdin i'm to lazy.  and lag to much.
[05:08] <stdin> intelikey: you lag? I'm compiling the whole of kde4 on my laptop here :P "04:07:36 up 5 days, 16:47,  4 users,  load average: 3.48, 3.07, 2.49"
[05:08] <Jucato> *all*?!?!
[05:08] <stdin> pretty much
[05:08] <intelikey> but i'm downloading the internet over a 22k dialup  that disconnects every thirty minutes.....
[05:08] <Jucato> all modules?
[05:09] <stdin> kdelibs kdepimlibs kdebase kdemultimedia kdegames etc......
[05:09] <Combatjuan> stdin: If you like spending your time compiling then I think you belong in #gentoo.  (-8
[05:09] <FIRESIDE91> intelikey: Teh whole internet?
[05:09] <Jucato> ouch...
[05:09] <Jucato> Combatjuan: um.. there's no way to get KDE 4 other than compiling...
[05:10] <Combatjuan> I know.  I'm just joking.
[05:10] <Jucato> :P
[05:10] <intelikey> FIRESIDE91 might as well be...    kubuntu-desktop $ ubuntu-desktop
[05:10] <FIRESIDE91> Sometime after 7.10 comes out packages for KDE4 will exist...
[05:10] <FIRESIDE91> intellikey: ???
[05:10] <stdin> I'm to lazy to use gentoo, "Gentoo person: What compiler flags you using?, Stdin: hu?"
[05:11] <Jucato> stdin: just use the defaults then heheh :)
[05:11] <Jucato> (or ask some KDE user what his USE flags are :P)
[05:11] <Jucato> or or....
[05:11] <Jucato> use Kubuntu!
[05:11] <stdin> Jucato: ahh, but that's not the gentoo way :p
[05:12] <n8k99> gentoo way is that above or below lois lane?
[05:12] <intelikey> don't forget the lag.     you type something,  then in five minutes i read it and answer, then in another five minutes you see my answer,,, after you forgot you asked me anything....
[05:12] <FIRESIDE91> My issue with K/Ubuntu is the binaries are for i386!
[05:12] <stdin> everyone say quiet for a while, intelikey will think his connection died :p
[05:13] <stdin> FIRESIDE91: i486 actually
[05:13] <FIRESIDE91> Why not i586 at least, i686 would be nicer though...
[05:13] <intelikey> stdin actually that works....   don't tell them....   ;/
[05:13] <FIRESIDE91> Well...then again...Xubuntu can run on 486 class machines...
[05:14] <stdin> i486 is generic enough to work on all systems (except actual 386 boxes)
[05:14] <intelikey> ubuntu will run on i386
[05:14] <intelikey> and i486 +
[05:14] <FIRESIDE91> SUSE uses i686....and the binaries run on most systems.....SUSE just sucks though
[05:15] <thomass> does anyone know how to change the introduction message you get when you connect to an ssh server
[05:15] <FIRESIDE91> I just hate fscking with gentoo
[05:15] <FIRESIDE91> thomass: depends on the server
[05:16] <thomass> FIRESIDE91: yes its my server
[05:16] <thomass> FIRESIDE91: i would like to change the greeting message
[05:16] <intelikey> thomass /etc/motd & /etc/issue.net
[05:16] <FIRESIDE91> rtfm?  Sorry, don't know much about SSH greetings...
[05:16] <FIRESIDE91> thanks intelikey
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> intelikey, thomass: there's a variable you need to change in /etc/defaults somewhere too I think so it doesn't get overwritten.
[05:18] <FIRESIDE91> Anyone know how to compile gentoo so it works fast, but actually looks good?  I got it and GNOME running once but the fonts and stuff were godawful
[05:18] <stdin> umm, this isn't a gentoo support channel
[05:18] <FIRESIDE91> lol
[05:18] <FIRESIDE91> true
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> well I don't see it in gutsy anywhere.
[05:19] <lewix> "why were you laughing like crazy"
[05:19] <thomass> intelikey: i have no folders
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> thomass: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> thomass: you might want to look at /etc/default/rcS - and change the line EDITMOTD= if it's set to yes.
[05:20] <thomass> LeeJunFan: edgy
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> thomass: okay, not sure when it disappeared, that variable is still set in dapper, I'm in gutsy at the moment and it's not on here.
[05:21] <jhutchins> printmotd is a useful variable in sshd_config
[05:22] <jhutchins> FIRESIDE91: Yes, wipe it and install kubuntu or mandriva.
[05:22] <FIRESIDE91> Mandriva?  /shiver
[05:22] <FIRESIDE91> RPM hell that was....worse than RH9...
[05:23] <thomass> LeeJunFan: ok I really don't know what these folders and files are........what should I google?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> thomass: it's just a text file in /etc/default  the name of the file is rcS, there's a line reading EDITMOTD=yes by default
[05:24] <FIRESIDE91> thomass: You don't know what /etc is?
[05:25] <thomass> LeeJunFan: hehe actualy i don't have editmotd in there
[05:26] <thomass> FIRESIDE91: its etcetera but not sure exactly what its for
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> thomass: okay, must have been dropped in edgy then.
[05:26] <intelikey> space    ^   edit motd
[05:26] <stdin> thomass: it's not "etcetera"
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> thomass: /etc is where system wide configuration files are generally kept.
[05:26] <intelikey> as in;        sudo nano /etc/motd
[05:27] <thomass> LeeJunFan: system wide?
[05:27] <thomass> LeeJunFan: anyway configuration files ok cool
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> thomass: yes, as opposed to application config like kde or gnome config which will be kept in your home dir.
[05:28] <intelikey> thomass as opposed to user specific
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> /etc will have things like X config, Apache, PHP, postfix, and others.
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> amazing how much stuff is in /etc/
[05:28] <thomass> awww ok
[05:28] <stdin> any sort of editable text config file
[05:28] <thomass> alright good to konw
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> linux FUNdamentals
[05:28] <thomass> o well what do I google to learn about changing the message?
[05:29] <Jucato> (linux fundeMENTALs)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> the motd? its jsut a text file. I thought it got generated on the fly by a boot script however.
[05:30] <thomass> ok well gnight guys and thanks
[05:30] <thomass> or girls
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> i always disabel the showing of the motd anyway
[05:30] <wo0f> where is the auto update in kubuntu??
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> auto update? hmm . theres a update manager tool that should be in the panel.
[05:31] <_2> well i cut down my offline time with a script.  but i'm still getting reset "OFTEN" !
[05:31] <wo0f> called?
[05:31] <riefzu> good question, i want too..
[05:32] <wo0f> anyone?
[05:32] <siliconcpu> Does anyone have a D-link DI-624 router?
[05:32] <albertmk> Question:Any good tutorial about "how to install compiz-fusion on Kubuntu"?
[05:33] <Jucato> wo0f: adept_notifier will notify you if updates are avaiable. if there aren't any, it won't show on your system tray
[05:33] <Jucato> !compiz-fusion
[05:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:33] <wo0f> Jucato: cheers.
[05:33] <siliconcpu> Jucato:  =P
[05:33] <Jucato> siliconcpu: so how did it go?
[05:33] <siliconcpu> well, the ethernet portion works!
[05:34] <siliconcpu> yet, the wireless doesn't
[05:34] <wo0f> wtf, why is there no root with ubuntu
[05:34] <wo0f> sux
[05:34] <siliconcpu> I have a D-link DI-624 router and i'm wondering if that is causing issues
[05:34] <Jucato> !root | wo0f
[05:34] <ubotu> wo0f: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:35] <siliconcpu> Jucato: So now I am just searching users who have a DI-624 because i have seen problems getting it to work with wireless =(
[05:35] <wo0f> lol
[05:35] <wo0f> yeh
[05:35] <wo0f> prefer su pal.
[05:35] <Jucato> read the link
[05:35] <wo0f> neg
[05:37] <wo0f> at least aptitude still works
[05:38] <Jucato> ??
[05:38] <wo0f> ?
[05:38] <Jucato> why wouldn't it work?
[05:39] <Agent_bob> oh btw.  i got the "BSOD" issue fixed.  it was the kernel causing it.
[05:39] <fiyawerx> i need something fun to do
[05:40] <Agent_bob> fiyawerx there is no such thing.
[05:40] <fiyawerx> heh
[05:40] <fiyawerx> just got my install all updated, now i dont know what to do other than boot back into windows for some 2142
[05:42] <fiyawerx> anyone know any good linux games?
[05:42] <underdog5004> !tremulous
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tremulous - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <underdog5004> !info tremulous
[05:42] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-3 (feisty), package size 645 kB, installed size 1516 kB
[05:42] <underdog5004> very fun
[05:42] <fiyawerx> hm, will try it :)
[05:42] <fiyawerx> got an 8800gts going to waste here
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> that game makes me Dizzy...
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:44] <underdog5004> Dr_Willis, true
[05:44] <wo0f> where is the restricted drivers menu?
[05:44] <underdog5004> especially if you play as alien
[05:45] <riefzu> ada orang indonesia disini?
[05:45] <john> how do you use Libparmetis3.1?
[05:46] <Jucato> !id | riefzu
[05:46] <ubotu> riefzu: join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[05:46] <fiyawerx> anyone play sauerbraten?
[05:46] <wo0f> anyone know where the restricted drivers menu is located within kubuntu
[05:46] <wo0f> ?
[05:47] <john> i need help with libparmetis, can anyone help me?
[05:47] <fiyawerx> woOf, on gutsy at least, it's : system settings -> advanced tab
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> fiyawerx thats a good game also.. works great on low end machines as well.
[05:48] <fiyawerx> Dr_Willis: it's fun, defintaely has potential, i love a lot of the maps, just not thrilled about the gameplay as much
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> run around killing things. :)
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> its more fun at a lan party vs ya friends
[05:56] <underdog5004> what game isn't?
[06:04] <scheater5> Does anyone know anything about "Davinci Techonlogy" or TI processors?
[06:05] <fiyawerx> heh, this game is neat
[06:05] <fiyawerx> re: tremulous
[06:23] <cpk1> !sound
[06:23] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:23] <riefzu> scheather5:look at :http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/landing/davinci/index.html
[06:26] <fiyawerx> !compiz-fusion
[06:26] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:27] <yasha> Hello
[06:27] <yasha> ho is speac to Russian . My Inglish is not good
[06:30] <enzo_> !ru | yasha
[06:30] <ubotu> yasha:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:30] <enzo_> dang it. Just missed yasha
[06:34] <greencookie> hi:)
[06:35] <greencookie> Can anyone help me setup java in SciTe?
[06:37] <greencookie> hello:)
[06:37] <greencookie> !javac
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javac - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <greencookie> !sciTE
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scite - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <greencookie> Help:)
[06:41] <greencookie> NVM:) I figured it out:) Yay!
[06:42] <lnx_> how i can put gnome or xfce panel aplets in kde panel ?
[06:42] <scheater5> greencookie: the beauty of lateral thinking.  I just got here and saw your questioning, for future reference the custom is to just fire away, and if anyone knows how to help they'll respond.
[06:44] <greencookie> scheater5: Thanks:)
[06:45] <greencookie> I needed to do this Java homework, just finished installing ubuntu, somehow managed to install Java SDK6, SciTE was easy, but my program wasnt compiling.
[06:46] <greencookie> Turns out to be my first lesson in java programing. Always name your file as the [classname] .java :):)
[06:47] <greencookie> !ot greencookie
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ot greencookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <greencookie> KDE or GNOME? :)
[06:49] <scheater5> why do you ask?
[06:49] <lnx_> in kate how i can not to see a point when i click on aspace ?
[06:51] <garfield> empty
[06:51] <garfield> weird
[06:52] <garfield> it's only 1 in the morning
[06:52] <melody> Hello
[06:52] <garfield> yo
[06:54] <melody> quick question.... I have my synaptic touchpad setup nicely with ksynaptics on kubuntu.  But, whenever I restart/relog onto the machine the settings for ksynaptics are not applied until I open the systray icon/app, alter one setting and then hit "apply"..then the ksynaptic settings come into affect again.  is there a fix to have ksynaptic load its settings by default?
[07:02] <greencookie> I ask KDE or GNOME because I thought I liked KDE better but found out I could use all KDE apps in GNOME which I feel has a smoother interface :):)
[07:02] <greencookie> just wanted to hear some opinions. ^_^
[07:03] <Lynoure> greencookie: the only opinion that matters is yours
[07:04] <Lynoure> Most here use kde, you can tell that without asking
[07:06] <Mr_Sonoma> gnome is nice, but i like the one click of KDE better also KDE for me has a more appealing feel
[07:07] <Mr_Sonoma> my wife likes XFCE but isnt terribly used to the interface so she defaults to the more familar KDE most of the time.
[07:12] <Doctor_Nick> I think after KDE 4 comes out, they'll be a general movement towards KDE and GNOME will stagnate
[07:16] <dsmith> gnome is ummmm...
[07:16] <dsmith> ugly
[07:18] <greencookie> Lol
[07:18] <greencookie> I dunno, but I find GNOME kinda friendly.
[07:19] <dsmith> aye, I could live with it
[07:19] <greencookie> Plus I play WoW :) Love them gnomes:) hehe
[07:19] <dsmith> but i have a choice
[07:19] <dsmith> :P
[07:19] <dsmith> lol
[07:19] <greencookie> So Ubuntu comes bundled up with only GNOME rite?
[07:19] <greencookie> no KDE.
[07:20] <phoenixz> Hi, I just installed kubuntu on a dell latitude d620 laptop. Im trying to view some movies with either mplayer, or kaffeine, but kaffeine shows a black image, and mplayer crashes with "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)?,?% 0 0"..
[07:20] <dsmith> gnome, kde, xfce sp?
[07:20] <phoenixz> AFAIK, I have all drivers ok installed, I run compiz-fusion without problem..
[07:20] <phoenixz> I have the w32 codecs also installed
[07:20] <phoenixz> what could be the cause of this problem??
[07:20] <dsmith> dos it work when compiz is off?
[07:21] <greencookie> gstreamer plugin? I dunno I'm new to Linux n stuff but thats the first thing i installed
[07:21] <greencookie> and i think something called libdecode for dvd titles.
[07:22] <greencookie> http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/02/13-things-to-do-immediately-after.html
[07:22] <phoenixz> dsmith, dunno, how do I turn compiz off? :)
[07:22] <dsmith> d620, isn't that a fairly new laptop?
[07:23] <cpk1> argh I cant get my spdif out to work
[07:23] <cpk1> anyone have any experience with getting spdif out working?
[07:24] <phoenixz> dsmith, fgood question, I got it for my work :)
[07:24] <dsmith> doesn't it have a ay to default back to kwin?
[07:25] <dsmith> greencookie: hmmmm, I read thru that for the 13th time. I should have installed Kubuntu as ext2. No wonder windows wont R/W to it
[07:26] <dsmith> i dont like gdesklets either
[07:27] <cpk1> if you have ext3 you can still r/w from windows
[07:28] <dsmith> it acts funny for me
[07:28] <dsmith> works but then it wont work
[07:29] <dsmith> phoenixz: Can you play dvd's at all?
[07:29] <Ahmuck> what's the deal with registering with launchpad before submitting an error report?
[07:29] <dsmith> you can try wget http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/feisty/free/i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+build1_i386.deb
[07:29] <dsmith> sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+build1_i386.de
[07:29] <dsmith> sudo dpkg -i libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+build1_i386.deb
[07:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahmuck, keeps spam out.
[07:31] <FunnyLookinHat> And it allows us to track user submissions, karma, etc.  It's a good thing, trust me.  : D
[07:31] <Ahmuck> ah, well, it keeps my bug report out to
[07:31] <dsmith> heh
[07:31] <Ahmuck> you would think they could create some type of error reporting for *buntu distro that would report properly
[07:32] <dsmith> thats too much like M$
[07:34] <Jucato> any (decent) bug tracker requires an account in that particular tracker. why should Ubuntu be any different?
[07:34] <bobbiac> well .. here goes .. ditching Debian for Kubuntu
[07:34] <bobbiac> i feel so .. uncomfortable
[07:35] <Jucato> have fun :)
[07:35] <bobbiac> oh .. does syslinux care if it's on a DVD+RW?
[07:36] <Jucato> syslinux?
[07:36] <bobbiac> the live cd
[07:36] <Jucato> nope
[07:36] <Jucato> doesn't care
[07:36] <Ahmuck>  cause if your looking for feedback from gusty, you lost this user, i don't want to have to go to the trouble of creating an account, logging in, just to submit a gutsy bug report, eh, somebody else is likely to run accross it so i'll just let them do it
[07:37] <Ahmuck> bobbiac: you have made a good decision, welcome to user land
[07:37] <bobbiac> most linux live cds boot from syslinux, then to the kernel, instead of from GRUB
[07:39] <bobbiac> that, and that fact that ubuntu's volume of traffic on freenode
[07:39] <bobbiac> is quite heavy
[07:39] <bobbiac> but w/e
[07:39] <bobbiac> big family
[07:40] <bobbiac> more "money makers"
[07:40] <bobbiac> so this week's gusty.. stable enough to play around with?
[07:40] <bobbiac> gutsy*
[07:41] <Jucato> Ahmuck: sorry, that mentality just irks me.
[07:42] <bobbiac> huh?
[07:43] <bobbiac> Vista didnt like iso's it seems
[07:44] <Jucato> does Vista still use that built-in Roxio thing? not sure if it burns ISO's at all
[07:44] <Ahmuck> Jucato: which mentality, the bug report or the welcom?
[07:44] <Jucato> the former
[07:45] <bobbiac> apathy?
[07:45] <Jucato> anyway, it's personal opinion... so nvm that
[07:45] <bobbiac> did MS ever use roxio?
[07:45] <Ahmuck> yes, i understand
[07:45] <Jucato> bobbiac: in XP
[07:46] <bobbiac> i know they went and raped and pillaged winzip
[07:46] <Jucato> Ahmuck: best I can tell you is 1) look for someone else to file the bug for you or 2) just ignore it
[07:46] <bobbiac> and zonealarm
[07:47] <Ahmuck> Jucato: yes, that is the problem, i am just ignoring it.  but i did rant in ubuntu+1.  there is an easy solution to this, system fingerprinting, standard bug report headers and bot intelligence for classification and dups
[07:48] <Jucato> if you say so
[07:49] <kuja> Hi, can anyone tell me why Firefox's user-interface isn't anti-aliasing under Ubuntu?  It doesn't anti-alias in both KDE and GNOME (though, I installed the Kubuntu CD).  I am currently using Kubuntu 7.04 AMD64.
[07:50] <_2> have error http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39607
[07:50] <_2> but i doubt that the error message is the actual problem
[07:50] <_2> anyone got insight ?
[07:51] <_2> or even good guess ?
[07:51] <bobbiac> _2: uhm .. nice nick?
[07:52] <_2> ty
[07:52] <Jucato> he's supposed to be binary...
[07:52] <_2> that's pronounced    base two
[07:52] <bobbiac> yay for internet sarcasm
[07:52] <bobbiac> but anyway
[07:53] <bobbiac> that is very little info to go on
[07:53] <_2> that's all i have.    gui apps ya know.
[07:53] <bobbiac> when did this start, what were you doing at the time, etc, etc
[07:54] <_2> started  probably at install   first notice was installed "falcon's eye"
[07:54] <_2> try to run it  and i get that message.
[07:55] <_2> only place i've seen anything like it so far.
[07:55] <bobbiac> have you checked with the app's maintainer ?
[07:56] <bobbiac> falcon's eye or w/e
[07:56] <bobbiac> pty is pretty low level, iirc
[07:57] <_2> no i haven't checked any place but here so far.   it's probably not an app error either...  probably "most likely" something that's not suid and thinks it should be   or not a symlink and thinks it should be....
[07:58] <_2> but i don't mess with a GUI enough to even start tracking it down.
[07:58] <bobbiac> why not?
[07:58] <bobbiac> if you don't mind me asking
[07:59] <bobbiac> heh
[07:59] <_2> just don't much like the pointy clicky thingy
[08:00] <bobbiac> can you telnet outside of X?
[08:00] <_2> i can do anything outside of X i can do in it.    or almost
[08:00] <bobbiac> or ssh, for that matter
[08:00] <_2> i'm not in X here
[08:01] <bobbiac> nod
[08:01] <bobbiac> irddi, if i remember right
[08:01] <bobbiac> err irssi
[08:01] <_2> bitchx   but yes irssi works too
[08:01] <michael-3142> does any one know how to configure kxdocker for kde?
[08:02] <_2> and xchat-text   as well as others.
[08:02] <bobbiac> have you tried telnet in X11, then?
[08:03] <bobbiac> micheal-3142 : dunno
[08:03] <_2> ah think i found it..   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39608
[08:04] <_2> near the end of that .xsession-error  log
[08:04] <bobbiac> why is gdm running?
[08:04] <_2> cause i started it
[08:04] <michael-3142> KDE is running
[08:04] <_2> yes
[08:04] <michael-3142> KDM
[08:04] <_2> no
[08:05] <_2> kdm writes in /root   i don't use kdm
[08:06] <bobbiac> yep .. that's a new panic for me
[08:06] <bobbiac> tho i havent seen man
[08:06] <bobbiac> many*
[08:07] <michael-3142> I am running kubuntu not gnome
[08:07] <bobbiac> micheal, sorry
[08:07] <michael-3142> sorry for what
[08:08] <bobbiac> i was talking to _2
[08:08] <_2> i'm running linux with gdm and kde at the moment
[08:08] <_2> ls -l /usr/bin/kgrantpty
[08:08] <_2> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 5704 Jan 19  2038 /usr/bin/kgrantpty
[08:08] <_2> looks like it's not the   suid error  but the fact that the app failed.
[08:10] <_2> app failed cause it couldn't change perms on /dev/something     and it couldn't do that because the system is mounted   nosuid   thus it thinks that the app is not marked suid.
[08:10] <_2> bobbiac no they play real nice togather
[08:10] <bobbiac> michael-3142: i havent troubleshot kde that much, so you would have to ask around in here
[08:12] <bobbiac> michael-3142: you might want to ask in #kde
[08:12] <_2> well i'll  move  ls -l /usr/bin/kgrantpty
[08:12] <_2> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 5704 Jan 19  2038 /usr/bin/kgrantpty
[08:12] <_2> ooops
[08:12] <bobbiac> heh
[08:12] <bobbiac> one of the reasons a window manager is nice
[08:13] <_2> well i'll move /usr/bin/kgrantpty  to some place safe and make   /usr/bin/kgrantpty  a symlink to /bin/true  then it should work
[08:13] <michael-3142> hello
[08:13] <michael-3142> does any one know how to configure kxdocker?
[08:13] <_2> bobbiac why   you never  paste the wrong buffer from GUI ?
[08:13] <bobbiac> all the time
[08:13] <Jucato> (btw, kxdocker isn't a KDE app, despite the name)
[08:14] <_2> i seldom do from cli,  but that was one of them
[08:14] <bobbiac> easier to catch imo, tho
[08:14] <Jucato> too late..
[08:14] <bobbiac> Jucato: really? heh
[08:15] <Jucato> hehe my bad.. I must be losing my mind a lot lately
[08:15] <bobbiac> wonder what it is, then
[08:15] <Jucato> kiba-dock is the GTK/GNOME one
[08:15] <Jucato> this is embarrassing...
[08:16] <bobbiac> we all make mistakes
[08:16] <Jucato> I made 2 today... that's too much for me :(
[08:16] <bobbiac> hot damn this DVD drive is frackin loud
[08:18] <_2> i think i remember what it wants.   it wants the pty to be 600 owned by the user
[08:18] <_2> that stinks.
[08:18] <bobbiac> does this weeks trunk include kde 4b2?
[08:18] <Jucato> hm?
[08:18] <bobbiac> gid's always annoyed me
[08:19] <_2> crap it's not that.
[08:19] <bobbiac> the gutsy build, does it have the KDE beta
[08:20] <zoffix_> Hi, my X crashed and now I am having a really hard time restoring my display settings. Is it somehow possible to restore X display settings to whatever was set when I've just installed the system?
[08:21] <zoffix_> Right now the resolution is either too small or too large. This is a laptop LCD display btw.
[08:21] <bobbiac> that's uhhh...
[08:22] <bobbiac> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[08:22] <zoffix_> There gotta be some "detect the right thing" feature, The way it detected everything on the install :/ If I use the "detect monitor" button in the System Settings it detects the wrong thing (640x480 res and my monitor can do more than that.
[08:22] <zoffix_> Ok, let me try that
[08:22] <bobbiac> wait
[08:23] <bobbiac> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[08:23] <bobbiac> i think
[08:23] <bobbiac> its been a while
[08:23] <zoffix_> ok, thanks. brb
[08:23] <Jucato> !fixres
[08:23] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:24] <Jucato> bah not that...
[08:24] <Jucato> !xconfig
[08:24] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[08:24] <Jucato> too late again!
[08:24] <bobbiac> yep
[08:24] <bobbiac> that's it
[08:24] <Jucato> 3 strikes. I'm out
[08:24] <bobbiac> set it o the VESA driver
[08:25] <Jucato> he's gone
[08:25] <bobbiac> damn
[08:25] <bobbiac> i bet he nukes his xorg
[08:25] <bobbiac> which is bad
[08:25] <Jucato> at least he doesn't nuke his /
[08:26] <Jucato> that's worse :)
[08:26] <bobbiac> too true
[08:26] <bobbiac> that was fast
[08:26] <bobbiac> !xconfig
[08:26] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[08:26] <bobbiac> i love bots
[08:26] <zoffix_> I'm on dual core 2.2GHz, 4GB RAM :D
[08:26] <Jucato> !botsnack
[08:26] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:27] <Jucato> zoffix_: see that command from the bot
[08:27] <bobbiac> set it o the VESA driver
[08:27] <martin_> jj
[08:27] <zoffix_> Hm, looks like that fixed it. At least display is now "usual", even though IIRC my max res was higher than 1074x780 :/
[08:27] <zoffix_> ok, I'll read up, thanks
[08:27] <bobbiac> and 1024 x 768
[08:28] <bobbiac> then find your gfx driver from nvidia or amd
[08:28] <bobbiac> and run the script
[08:28] <bobbiac> although i'd hold off on amd atm
[08:29] <bobbiac> they just released a decent chunk of whitepapers(?) for their ati line
[08:30] <bobbiac> so an "open" driver is coming .. nvm
[08:31] <bobbiac> note to self: make sure to tell people to run dpkg outside of X
[08:32] <bobbiac> oh, btw Jucato: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/
[08:32] <cknight> anyone played with KDE4.0?
[08:32] <bobbiac> gusty weekly
[08:32] <bobbiac> cknight: its shiny
[08:32] <Jucato> I see... it's even harder to get seeders for weekly builds :)
[08:32] <bobbiac> well, yeah
[08:33] <cknight> excellent, everything I wanted in a new desktop environment :)
[08:33] <bobbiac> cknight: it's like Vista.. but unlike Vista it is reasonably stable in beta
[08:34] <cknight> It is much speedier like I hear?
[08:34] <Jucato> like Vista?!?! such blasphemy!
[08:34] <bobbiac> hell my home basic still shits a brick weekly
[08:34] <Jucato> !kde4
[08:34] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[08:34] <bobbiac> blue screens
[08:35] <cknight> yeah, yeah, yeah, but what do folk *think* about it?
[08:35] <greencookie> I need to get a crash course in JAVA. Anyone know ne good websites:) got my HW due tomorrow morning:)
[08:35] <bobbiac> shiny?
[08:35] <greencookie> !OT greencookie
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ot greencookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <Jucato> greencookie: maybe ##java or #java
[08:36] <cknight> greencookie, what's the HW?
[08:36] <bobbiac> uhm .. how grey do you want to figure on going green?
[08:36] <greencookie> cknight: Write a Java program that will create and fill two one-dimensional arrays of integers, one containing positive integers, and the other containing negative integers
[08:37] <greencookie> ^_^ heh.
[08:37] <greencookie> Thats my HW.
[08:37] <bobbiac> like off-white, grey, or i cant see my hand in front of my face "grey"?
[08:37] <bobbiac> owie
[08:38] <bobbiac> well .. i'll bbl
[08:40] <greencookie> Anyone know of a good torrent site?
[08:40] <Huey> if nothing is being sent to the sound card, 'cat /dev/dsp' shouldn't output anything, right?
[08:41] <Jucato> !ot | greencookie
[08:41] <ubotu> greencookie: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:42] <greencookie> Ah. Ty Jucato.
[08:46] <greencookie> Is Gimp better than Photoshop?
[08:49] <Cael> AHHH my eyes
[08:50] <greencookie> :) :P
[08:51] <Huey> is there a way to tell what process is using a kernel module?
[08:51] <Huey> i cannot modprobe -r it because it is being used, but lsmod shows that it's not another module that's using it
[08:51] <Huey> or, is there a way to force-unmount a kernel module?
[08:52] <intelikey> could this be actually causing a problem with x apps ???   Xlib:  extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:52] <Cael> i actuallycame seeking if someone has been able to sucessfully install and configureyaboot for a PPC mac to run OSX and kubuntu?
[08:53] <Jucato> !ppc
[08:53] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[08:54] <Cael> the readme included with it is alil confusing, i know this much it needs it own partition for its files
[08:55] <Cael> its making it install is whats got me a lil confused
[08:55] <Cael> i'm on my mac atm its a G3 iMac
[08:56] <hangthedj> #DhaGG#4
[08:58] <Cael> i know the easiest way would be make kubuntu the main os and only os, but i want to be able to boot between the two
[08:58] <Cael> it'd make things so easy if Bootcamp would run on PPC macs
[09:01] <om_> hello
[09:01] <om_> im new linux user and i was trying sabayon gentoo but i found it kind of hard.. i hear this distro is easy and better? is this right?
[09:05] <genii> om_: If you are migrating from Windows, Kubuntu is a bit friendlier than most others :)
[09:05] <greencookie> Hell yeah om_:
[09:05] <greencookie> Gnome om_ :)
[09:06] <Cael> i found (on pc end) kubuntu pretty easy
[09:07] <om_> gnome? is not kubuntu kde?
[09:08] <om_> is kubuntu fast?
[09:08] <om_> fast boot?
[09:08] <jombee> not really
[09:08] <om_> which distrois the faster?
[09:08] <jombee> but that all depends on your definition of fast
[09:09] <Cael> well Kubuntu is fast just.. not fast to boot
[09:09] <jombee> fastest... probably gentoo
[09:09] <jombee> but I would have to say I'm a bit biased
[09:09] <Cael> of the Ubuntu distros if your looking for overallfast
[09:09] <Cael> xubuntu
[09:12] <jussi01> om_: dsl
[09:15] <genii> or puppylinux
[09:15] <genii> (fast boots)
[09:27] <waylandbill> gentoo can be faster, but all the speed is lost in compiling as it's a sourced based distro. If you want faster, a faster system will be the most noticable.
[09:28] <jombee> but by the time you're done compiling, you're grateful for whatever system you've got
[09:30] <Jucato> after that, everything else can be done while you're doing something else...
[09:30] <Jucato> but this isn't #gentoo :)
[09:31] <waylandbill> It's a good distro don't get me wrong. My only point is that improving the hardware will have a much bigger impact IMO.
[09:31] <waylandbill> of course that takes money though. :)
[09:31] <Jucato> (but optimization through compiling is just one, albeit an overhpyed by users, benefits of gentoo...)
[09:34] <waylandbill> does compiling coffee use java source code?
[09:34] <Jucato> :)
[09:34] <genii> waylandbill: No, my coffee is open source ;)
[09:35] <Jucato> (technically, so is Java :P)
[09:36] <genii> geez it's 3:35am already
[09:37] <waylandbill> ubuntu used to have kernels optimized for different cpus, but I didn't notice hardly any difference between that and the i386 one. That's where optimization would have the most benefit... in the kernel.
[09:38] <genii> Well, see you all in 4 1/2 hours or so after I get home and get (hopefully) 3 3/4 hrs sleep before work....
[09:38] <greencookie> bye genii.
[09:38] <genii> greencookie: gnite
[09:38] <Jucato> !generic
[09:38] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[09:39] <greencookie> How do i know what version of Ubuntu I'm using? i wanna make sure I'm using the rite one for amd64
[09:39] <Jucato> !version | greencookie
[09:39] <ubotu> greencookie: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[09:40] <Jucato> to find out which kernel you are running, "uname -r"
[09:40] <greencookie> 2.6.20-16-generic
[09:40] <greencookie> is that for amd64 machines?
[09:40] <Jucato> nope
[09:40] <Jucato> !amd64
[09:40] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[09:41] <greencookie> !tinyurl
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tinyurl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <Jucato> hm?
[09:42] <kuja> I installed Kubuntu 7.04 (amd64), but I can't seem to figure out on my own, or with Google (even if my life depended on it) .. just *how* I can make Firefox either 1) inherit KDE's anti-aliasing or 2) inherit GNOME's anti-aliasing.  For other GTK apps, I have made them inherit GNOME's font settings (incluiding anti-aliasing).. but it would appear that Firefox and Thunderbird are too special.  Anyone got an idea?
[09:42] <Jucato> greencookie: tinyurl is a service that aliases a short URL for a very long one
[09:42] <Jucato> just click on that link
[10:10] <x2_> please give me packet
[10:37] <bahr> Hi, is 10GB diskspace enough for kubuntu 7.04 to run perfectly without problems for desktop/normal/school use?
[10:38] <SlimeyPete> should be, yes.
[10:39] <bahr> Ok I hope so, cause we are forced to use VS.Net and flash and other win appz, and I really don't want to be stuck only using windows due to limited harddisk space :S
[10:50] <Sbucat_il_peccat> hi i have problem with kubuntu i cannot encode with mencoder avi-to mov because i have not the last mencoder but..i cannot find where i can donwload it and how to install it
[10:54] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: have you ffmpeg?
[10:59] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: i have ffmpeg
[11:00] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: i am doing a easy interfaces in gambas 2 for convert any file =)
[11:00] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: did you try it?
[11:00] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: ffmpeg -i input.avi output.mov
[11:01] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: ok i wil try now with that =)
[11:03] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: nice, there is no good interface to convert video's
[11:04] <Neutrinux> hi! I have tiny fonts using nvidia-glx-new with kubuntu gutsy? someone to fix it?
[11:05] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: it's in italian but i think it came soon in english see this http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=114002.0
[11:07] <combinio> how can i rip cd with game on my disc so i can have a back-up of that game ? :) is in kub. some 'Alcohol' tool like in WinXP ? :)
[11:07] <Sbucat_il_peccat> combinio: k3b
[11:08] <Sbucat_il_peccat> combinio: just search it in adept manager (system--adeptmanager)
[11:08] <combinio> already got that... but is this gonna make a rip of a game too ?
[11:08] <combinio> Sbucat_il_peccat: type 'rip' ?
[11:08] <combinio> i've that program
[11:08] <Sbucat_il_peccat> sorry i ma busy now
[11:08] <combinio> Sbucat_il_peccat: ok, thx for info :)
[11:09] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: wait for a while, im on a low connection
[11:11] <emilsedgh> combinio: create an image
[11:11] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: mm i think you cannot see the picture..because you are not registred into ubuntu-it, i think youi can see it in youtube still in italian =)  or here http://ilfuocodilinux.wordpress.com/
[11:11] <emilsedgh> combinio: go to K3B, Copy the Cd, just check the 'Only Create Image' checkbox
[11:12] <emilsedgh> combinio: then you can Mount the ISO like a real disk
[11:12] <combinio> emilsedgh: big THX :)
[11:13] <__osh__> Is there some place to request "updates" to packages? In feisty the package "komparator" is at 0.5 and 0.7 is out with quite a few improvements.
[11:13] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: mm ffmpeg works, medibuntu repo but i stil have problem no audio =(
[11:14] <__osh__> Or will new packages only come with new releases of kubuntu?
[11:14] <XsteelWolf> use mplayer
[11:14] <XsteelWolf> mplayer rocks more than ffmpeg :P
[11:14] <XsteelWolf> make sure you got all the codecs install
[11:15] <Sbucat_il_peccat> XsteelWolf: nope it don t support well mov file
[11:15] <XsteelWolf> it does support mov file
[11:15] <XsteelWolf> your codecs isn't there i believe
[11:15] <Sbucat_il_peccat> XsteelWolf: i am doing a nice converter and i need mov file ca be played into damned quicktime plauyer
[11:15] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: nice job, you should translate it into English and post it to kde-apps :)
[11:16] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: it's for kde and gnome =)
[11:16] <emilsedgh> Sbucat_il_peccat: so, post it on gnome-files too :), but, AFAIK, gambas is more KDE Intergrated?
[11:17] <Sbucat_il_peccat> XsteelWolf: i am sorru but i have encode with this string mencoder  -oac  faac -faacopts br=192:mpeg=4:object=2 -channels 2 -srate 22050 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=300 -of lavf  -lavfopts i_certify_that_my_video_stream_does_not_use_b_frames -o output.mov input
[11:18] <Sbucat_il_peccat> but mov file is not correct window media player it works but quicktime it said is not a quicktime supported
[11:18] <Sbucat_il_peccat> emilsedgh: it is written in gambas 2 and i am in kde and works great =)
[11:18] <emilsedgh> nice
[11:19] <emilsedgh> im watching it
[11:20] <XsteelWolf> not sure about that
[11:20] <XsteelWolf> usually i converted it into .flv for my site
[11:20] <XsteelWolf> then play it with a universal flash player :D
[11:21] <Cael> back again maybe someone can help a lil more , i'm trying to get terminal toio do ./makefile install for yaboot
[11:21] <Cael> buti get -bash: ./makefile: Permission denied
[11:23] <Cael> take it no one can help?
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> chmod +x it
[11:25] <SlimeyPete> "./makefile" is an odd way of doing things, however O.o
[11:26] <Cael> then what do u dsuggest i go by installing yaboot?
[11:28] <SlimeyPete> Cael: read the INSTALL file. The normal way is "./configure; make; make install"
[11:28] <SlimeyPete> though yaboot might be different for all I know
[11:33] <Sbucat_il_peccat> XsteelWolf: the problem is mencoder is not for all format
[11:34] <Sbucat_il_peccat> because free and close issue
[11:34] <Sbucat_il_peccat> and so some format does t works propely
[11:38] <wers> !mac
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <Sbucat_il_peccat> #mencoder
[12:01] <ryaren> hi
[12:01] <ryaren> How can I mount a winchester with read and write access by my hand?
[12:01] <ryaren> What is tha correct option?
[12:04] <wers> I installed openoffice.org to my aunt's windows computer and it loads for just about 4 seconds while oo.o loads for about a minute in my kubuntu laptop. we even have the same exact hardware
[12:07] <slackern> wers: for me it took 12 seconds to start oo writer the first time, 2nd time it took 3 seconds, this is on an oldish athlon xp @ 2ghz and 1gb ram running Kubuntu (Gutsy)
[12:07] <slackern> wers: might not help you much though just wanted to give you something to compare too
[12:07] <wers> okay.. thanks anyway
[12:07] <jussi01> about 3 seconds here... on a turion 64 with 2 gb ram...
[12:07] <wers> may I know your hardware specs?
[12:08] <wers> i have 1.5ghz celeron m and 512 mb ram
[12:08] <Jucato> wers: maybe the quickstart is preloaded in Windows
[12:08] <slackern> AMD Athlon-XP @ 2Ghz, 1 GB DDR, X1950Pro card and a 250GB 7200rpm SATA harddrive.
[12:09] <wers> hmmm.. yeah jucato
[12:09] <wers> i'll try to enable quickstart too
[12:09] <wers> but no.. i also tried turning quickstart on windows too but it's still fast
[12:09] <Jucato> !info oooqs2-kde
[12:09] <ubotu> oooqs2-kde: OpenOffice.org2 QuickStarter applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 81 kB, installed size 336 kB
[12:11] <wers> okay.. i'm installing oooqs20-kde now jucatskeee
[12:11] <Jucato> hehe
[12:12] <Jucato> but yes, it starts up quite slow
[12:12] <wers> how long does it start in your box?
[12:12] <Jucato> hm.. let's try now
[12:12] <Jucato> 12s
[12:13] <Jucato> hm.. that's shorter than what I'm used to :)
[12:13] <wers> woowwwww
[12:13] <Jucato> but that's just the first run.
[12:13] <wers> how about your specs?
[12:13] <Jucato> 2nd run took less than 4 seconds
[12:13] <ryaren> How can I mount a winchester with read and write access by my hand?
[12:13] <Jucato> 1.5ghz 1GB ram
[12:14] <jussi01> !intelhad
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelhad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <jussi01> !intelhda
[12:14] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[12:14] <wers> ohhh.. there is something wrong with my oo.o then
[12:14] <wers> i'll try installing 2.3
[12:18] <cee> is it possible somehow to show what processes that are using the sound device?
[12:24] <Lord_Drachenblut> has anyone got kickerqt_i386 to work on there system?
[12:27] <__osh__> cee: fuser /dev/dsp?
[12:27] <__osh__> cee: perhaps. I haven't tried it.
[12:30] <shegman> can anyone tell me how to let my udev get noticed of my webcam? normaly it should made a /dev/video0 but it doesn't
[12:33] <jeroen__> hello
[12:34] <SMP_ca> !sound
[12:34] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:34] <SMP_ca> !alsa
[12:35] <wers> Jucato, how do I run oooqs2-kde? :D
[12:35] <Jucato> um. dunno.. like I said... rarely use.. :/
[12:35] <Jucato> try typing the name in Konsole?
[12:36] <wers> didnt work :(
[12:39] <Jucato> sorry no idea
[12:48] <holycow> hey guys
[12:48] <holycow> does kdm allow animations to be played as part of the login process?
[12:48] <XsteelWolf> i believe yes
[12:51] <holycow> interesting thx
[12:52] <koriel> anyone familiar with kopete?
[12:53] <koriel> I want to disable the case when someone message me and the dialog box is coming on front of everything
[12:53] <koriel> is really annoying
[12:54] <Thinkk> how do I use the fingerprint reader in kubuntu??
[12:54] <emilsedgh> koriel: ask your question :)
[12:55] <emilsedgh> koriel: I think that should be configured in Kopete->Configure Notifications (Im not sure)
[12:56] <Jucato> koriel: which dialog box?
[12:58] <koriel> when I'm having a conversation and i alt+tab to another application if that user msg me than this conversation window is coming to front all the times
[12:59] <Jucato> koriel: Settings -> Configure -> Behavior -> Events tab -> [ ]  Raise window on incoming message ?
[01:00] <Jucato> uncheck that and see if it works
[01:02] <koriel> no it is still coming to front ... I unchecked all options
[01:02] <koriel> everywhere :)
[01:02] <emilsedgh> wow, Kget on kde4 looks nice, I think at last we have a nice Download Manager
[01:02] <Thinkk> doesn't anyone have a laptop with a fingerprint reader, and managed to make it work in linux??
[01:03] <Jucato> emilsedgh: you're not confusing the plasmoid with the app are you?
[01:15] <wers> will there be a gutsy tribe 6?
[01:41] <dwidmann> wers: probably, I'm pretty sure there was a feisty herd 6
[01:43] <dwidmann> wait, it looks like the tribe6 "release" was cancelled
[01:43] <jussi01> dwidmann: topic?
[01:43] <jussi01> ;)
[01:44] <jussi01> oh, hang on... in +1...
[01:44] <jussi01> gah
[01:44] <dwidmann> o.O
[01:44] <engin> what is the devel chanel of kubuntu / ubuntu?
[01:44] <jussi01> they had a thing about it in the topic for ages
[01:44] <dwidmann> engin: probably #kubuntu-devel
[01:44] <jussi01> engin: #ubuntu+1
[01:44] <ardchoille> engin: #ubuntu+1
[01:45] <dwidmann> jussi01: I'm usually too lazy to look at the topic
[01:46] <jussi01> dwidmann: you should look there. there is usually a lot of information thats important...
[01:47] <dwidmann> I gather any information that I deem important from rss feeds
[01:48] <dwidmann> Apparently I missed and/or purposely skipped that though.
[01:50] <Franco-a-c> hola a todos
[01:50] <Franco-a-c> hablan espaol aqui?
[01:52] <saizai> I've got a (hopefully?) basic question that I've been bashing my head on. I'm trying to set pureftpd (Feisty package) to run with puredb. I have the PureDB file in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf and no other auth confs. And it just ignores it and uses unix auth anyway. The same happens if I start manually with -l puredb:/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.pdb. Any ideas how to fix this?
[01:56] <__osh__> !es
[01:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:57] <dieff> !de
[01:57] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:05] <marseillai> hi
[02:06] <marseillai> i have a question about adept on gutsy! i'm installing a new computer and i remember i've seen one time that adept can do an apt-get autoclean but i don't find where to manage this feature. Does anyone remember that?
[02:23] <wers> how do I disable the middle click internet search for konqueror?
[02:23] <wers> it just annoys me because I often accidentally middle click using my touch pad
[02:25] <mrp_> mornin
[02:25] <Jucato> wers: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Middle click opens URL in selection
[02:26] <wers> thanks dude
[02:27] <wers> my middle click now works as the scrolll in some windows apps
[02:27] <Jucato> middle click = paste in Linux ftw! :)
[02:27] <Jucato> btw, you can still middle-click to open URL in selection on an empty space in the tab bar even if you turn that off
[02:28] <alain> hello
[02:28] <wers> okay.. got it
[02:28] <wers> thanks jucatss
[02:29] <Jucato> hehe you're welcome wers(daluv)
[02:29] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thanks, I never knew you could do that.
[02:29] <Jucato> :)
[02:29] <Jucato> you can also double click on the tab area to open a new tab :)
[02:29] <ardchoille> Wow, I have to write these down
[02:30] <wers> wow... KDEnclopedia=Jucatskee
[02:30] <Jucato> heheh :)
[02:30] <ardchoille> I just switched from firefox to konqueror
[02:30] <Jucato> lol!
[02:30] <wers> hahahaha
[02:30] <wers> I love bangus!
[02:30] <wers> hahaha
[02:31] <Jucato> that's what I ate yesterday....
[02:31] <Jucato> anyway.. hehehe
[02:31] <marseillai> no one has an idea for my question about adept and apt-get clean ?
[02:32] <Jucato> marseillai: not sure about "autoclean", but apt runs clean automatically on a certain schedule
[02:33] <Jucato> afaik
[02:33] <ardchoille> I hear that konqueror is no longer going to be the default fm in kde 4.0
[02:33] <marseillai> Jucato: in fact afaik you're wrong on that point
[02:33] <Jucato> ardchoille: not the default file manager. but still the default web browser
[02:33] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[02:33] <Jucato> marseillai: perhaps... that's just what I was told before. never saw it happen :)
[02:34] <Jucato> marseillai: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[02:35] <Jucato> APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval (although mine's disabled I guess...)
[02:36] <marseillai> Jucato: APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0"; so now it's never but i know there is a way to ask adept to change this value and i don't find it anymore
[02:37] <Jucato> marseillai: I have never seen that option in Adept Manager or Manage Repositories (software-properties-kde). I've only seen the option when to check for updates
[02:37] <Jucato> marseillai: might want to ask manchicken_ or Riddell about it though
[02:37] <marseillai> yes i'll but i didn't want to disturb on #devel with a user question
[02:38] <Jakoavain> Hi! :)
[02:38] <Jucato> I think it just graduated from being a user question :)
[02:39] <ardchoille> marseillai: It's not there, that's surprising.. I thought it would have an option for that. Oh well, good thing you can always throw "apt-get clean" in a root cronjob :)
[02:40] <Jakoavain> Now it installed the w32codecs.. or so I think, but still watching videos from net, the sound wont work. Then came this another problem.. Sometimes firefox wont even download the page, sometimes like few pics or txt .. Right now it's doing it again.. I press google, or anything else.. "done" and the page is empty.
[02:40] <marseillai> ardchoille: i run apt-get clean in cron.weekly since time now just i want to find where this option is hiding
[02:41] <ardchoille> ok
[02:41] <Jucato> I hate to be told wrong again, but I really can't remember that feature in adept... :(
[02:41] <Jucato> along with a manual menu option to clean the cache...
[02:43] <ardchoille> I guess synaptic has spoiled me
[02:44] <marseillai> manchicken_:  i got a question for you. i've seen (if i well remember it was in feisty) an option in adept_* to change a value in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and clean apt archive. And now i'm making a fresh install and i would like to find this feature and i can't find it. Could you please tell me i'm not crazy and it exist or it has exist....
[02:45] <marseillai> arfffffffffffffff
[02:45] <marseillai> you may have reason ardchoille
[02:45] <marseillai> may be i've seen that in synaptic
[02:45] <Jucato> :)
[02:45] <Jakoavain> Hmm, so no one knows. Maybe I'll try later, :)
[02:46] <ardchoille> marseillai: There is an option for that in synaptic, yes, I liked that option.
[02:46] <marseillai> noooooooooooo
[02:46] <marseillai> now i'm sure
[02:46] <Jucato> :)
[02:46] <marseillai> i got in my feisty partitin
[02:46] <marseillai> this file : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update
[02:47] <tzanger> morning
[02:47] <Jucato> yep. they seem to change those files every release :)
[02:47] <Jucato> now it's 10periodic...
[02:47] <marseillai> Jucato: yes but as you can see it's a adept file
[02:47] <marseillai> :)
[02:47] <tzanger> anyone running into mythfrontend crashing X on exit?
[02:47] <Jucato> marseillai: but what are the contents of the file? APT::Periodic?
[02:47] <tzanger> it's almost consistent :-)
[02:48] <marseillai> APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0";
[02:48] <marseillai> Jucato:
[02:48] <Jucato> yep. it's an APT file :)
[02:48] <Jucato> misnamed APT file :)
[02:48] <marseillai> yes but write by adept
[02:48] <Jucato> I don't think so...
[02:48] <Jucato> but manchicken_ would know better
[02:49] <marseillai> yes i'll come back later and ask him i have to lease
[02:49] <ardchoille> Jucato:  http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39611
[03:06] <infinity__> hi
[03:06] <tzanger> hmm, is there a way to tell KDE to save a window's geometry?  I'm getting a little tired of constantly resizing my kdevelop window every time it starts up
[03:07] <llutz> tzanger: rightclick on window-deco, window-settings
[03:07] <tzanger> llutz: just found that, yes.  thanks
[03:09] <RurouniJones> Bugger me that is awesome
[03:09] <RurouniJones> Talk about teh power (tm)
[03:13] <qmake> hello, hao can i use KPF in a terminal?
[03:16] <hydrogen> ,,,
[03:17] <hydrogen> doo it!
[03:17] <Jucato> one more time...
[03:18] <genii> Jucato: Heh! hi
[03:19] <swanfl> I'm trying to put kubuntu on a very old box. I need to disable automatic ide driver detection (and stick with hte generic IDE driver) because this automatic detection causes a kernel panic, presumably because so many modules get loaded during this time that don't belong and my hardware gets confused
[03:19] <swanfl> that is to say, this happens during the debian-installer
[03:34] <reagleBRKLN> hi, i'm trying to grab email msg content from the marc.info archive. when I use the msgid, there is a redirect
[03:34] <reagleBRKLN> http://marc.info/?i=742dfd06050503151938d6ec8f%20()%20mail%20!%20gmail%20!%20com --302--> http://marc.info/?l=wikipedia-l&m=111515881130026
[03:35] <reagleBRKLN> shouldn't urlopen follow this? "The geturl() method returns the real URL of the page. In some cases, the HTTP server redirects a client to another URL. The urlopen() function handles this transparently, but in some cases the caller needs to know which URL the client was redirected to. " In my case it isn't
[03:35] <reagleBRKLN> oops, sorry, wrong channel
[03:35] <Jucato> ...
[03:37] <saizai> is there some way I can get pure-ftpd to allow read-only access to a directory an ntfs-3g rw mounted drive in Kubuntu Feisty? mount --bind will only mount it as whatever the original is (i.e. root.root 777), and I can't get it to allow symlinks... :/
[03:39] <Jakoavain> By the way, what is whiptail? Because in my processthing it's takin 46% of the process!
[03:40] <jussi01> !info whiptail
[03:40] <ubotu> whiptail: Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts. In component main, is important. Version 0.52.2-8ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 34 kB, installed size 92 kB
[03:40] <c1|freaky> a girl dancing for gotta find it ^^
[03:40] <c1|freaky> her
[03:40] <c1|freaky> +you
[03:40] <c1|freaky> nm
[03:40] <c1|freaky> ^^
[03:41] <jussi01> Jakoavain: 46% sounds very high for whiptail...
[03:42] <Jakoavain> ...
[03:43] <swanfl> I'm trying to put kubuntu on a very old box. I need to disable automatic ide driver detection (and stick with the generic IDE driver) because this automatic detection causes a kernel panic, presumably because so many modules get loaded during this time that don't belong and my hardware gets confused
[03:43] <swanfl> that is to say, this happens during the debian-installer
[03:43] <Jakoavain> jussi01: Well, anyideas?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[03:44] <jussi01> Jakoavain: kill it
[03:44] <Jakoavain> Hiw Blue : )
[03:44] <Jakoavain> jussi01: I cant
[03:44] <BluesKaj> need coffee .brb
[03:44] <jussi01> Jakoavain: out of curiosity, in which city are you?
[03:44] <jussi01> Jakoavain: why not?
[03:44] <Jakoavain> Between pori and tampere.. Well.. it just wont let me ;D
[03:44] <jussi01> Jakoavain: sudo kill whiptail
[03:49] <BluesKaj> suomalainens all over this room :)
[03:50] <Jakoavain> suomalaiset ;D
[03:50] <jussi01> lol
[03:50] <Jakoavain> Blueskaj, swe? :)
[03:50] <jussi01> Im not Finnish...
[03:50] <jussi01> I just live here...
[03:50] <jussi01> ;)
[03:50] <Jakoavain> Hehe :)
[03:50] <BluesKaj> svensk/finn...born in kaavi , moved as a child to canada
[03:51] <Jakoavain> It reminds me of south park ;D
[03:51] <BluesKaj> well jussi is a finnish name if i ever heard one
[03:51] <Jakoavain> Well.. we have kimi raikkonen, you've got terrance and philip
[03:52] <BluesKaj> who?
[03:52] <Jakoavain> .. Oh forget it :D
[03:52] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> this is canada not the uk
[03:53] <jussi01> lol
[03:53] <Jakoavain> South Park, Terrance and Philip? Doesn't say anything :D
[03:54] <BluesKaj> too old to watch that stuff...I don't get it :)
[03:54] <Jakoavain> :D Damn...
[03:54] <Jakoavain> i'll go to play drums :D Or try to play.. cya! :)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> we have the show on tv ...I just don't unnerstand the humour
[03:55] <Jakoavain> Oh! Blueskaj! I got some question for you
[03:55] <swanfl> hello, did anyone see my question?
[03:55] <Jakoavain> Now it installed the w32codecs.. or so I think, but still watching videos from net, the sound wont work. Then came this another problem.. Sometimes firefox wont even download the page, sometimes like few pics or txt .. Right now it's doing it again.. I press google, or anything else.. "done" and the page is empty.
[03:55] <BluesKaj> you a drummer to Jakoavain ?
[03:55] <BluesKaj> too
[03:55] <Jakoavain> Well.. I'm not in a band, or anything like that.. but yes :)
[03:56] <BluesKaj> ahh sounds like a java prob
[03:57] <BluesKaj> cool Jakoavain, keep it up ...drummers are always needed sooner or later
[03:57] <swanfl> hello, did anyone see my question?
[03:57] <jussi01> swanfl: say it again
[03:57] <swanfl> I'm trying to put kubuntu on a very old box. I need to disable automatic ide driver detection (and stick with the generic IDE driver) because this automatic detection causes a kernel panic, presumably because so many modules get loaded during this time that don't belong and my hardware gets confused
[03:57] <swanfl> hello, did anyone see my question?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, make sure you have java-common and at a minimum j2re1.4
[03:58] <swanfl> sorry about that last one
[03:58] <swanfl> this in regards to debian-installer
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, you can check in adept
[03:58] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: Yeah, :) There's one band.. Maybe I can join them.. but to the javathing, that was like swedish to me
[03:59] <BluesKaj> swanfl, we saw your Q , but wait til someone who can help shows up..have no idea
[03:59] <pagan0ne> is there any way to get kubuntu to update from a ntp server on a regular basis (1-2x a day?) my hardware clock seems to run down over the course of a week so that by the end of the week im 15+ mins slow....
[04:00] <llutz> pagan0ne: create a cron-job
[04:00] <swanfl> ok, at least say you don't know so I don't feel like i'm being ignored
[04:00] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, open adept and type , java and check for the 2 mentioned
[04:00] <pagan0ne> llutz: ok give me some help with that, where is a good resource to learn, or what should i do?
[04:01] <llutz> pagan0ne: man crontab
[04:01] <slackern> pagan0ne: rightclick on the clock on your bottom right and check in "Adjust date and time" and in the top of the window there you can select automatic
[04:01] <slackern> pagan0ne: then it'll let you choose servers to update time from.
[04:02] <pagan0ne> slackern: automatic is selected, but it only seems to update when i actually go in and change ntp server, it can go for weeks, and it never seems to update
[04:03] <slackern> pagan0ne: ahh i haven't tried it myself either, just thought it worked
[04:03] <ivanbili> hi guys, i have a problem with my proc partition and i had to boot from my live CD... how do I mount my dev/sda3 device so that I can access its files?
[04:06] <ivanbili>  hi guys, i have a problem with my proc partition and i had to boot from my live CD... how do I mount my dev/sda3 device so that I can access its files?
[04:10] <pagan0ne> ivanbili: in terminal mount /dev/sda3 /your/mount/point/here
[04:15] <swanfl> so when are they gonna fix open office?
[04:15] <wers> I just installed oo.o 2.3.. whenever I start it from kmenu, the loading taskbar item comes out but oo.o does not come out
[04:15] <tzanger> what's wrong with open office?
[04:16] <swanfl> specifically the inability of the form wizard to complete in the oo database
[04:20] <rickey> i am haveing trouble installing ymessenger ,has anyone here installed it?
[04:21] <lduong> fgfdg
[04:21] <Jakoavain> This is so embarrasing but the java wasn't even installed, after all we were drunk when we installed kubuntu. Anyway :D ... Now I'm in the terminal, and it says after "ln -s jre*/bin bin" command that bin isn't a directory
[04:21] <lduong> oh really
 i am haveing trouble installing ymessenger ,has anyone here installed it?
[04:25] <pagan0ne> rickey: i havent installed ymessenger, but why do you want ymessenger over sompthing like kopete?
[04:25] <rickey> because kopete no longer dose yahoo chatrooms
[04:26] <rickey> nor dose gain
[04:26] <pagan0ne> rickey: ok, fiar enough, i never use them, so i never noticed
[04:26] <rickey> and i have much more trouble installing pidgin
[04:27] <pagan0ne> rickey: whats the trouble your running into trying to install ymessenger?
[04:28] <rickey> wen i go to  konsole to enter the stuff ,it say no file
[04:28] <rickey> but i have it in rickey/home
[04:28] <pagan0ne> ok, you have downloaded the ymessenger package, what type of package?
[04:29] <pagan0ne> apt, tar, rpm. etc?
[04:29] <rickey> file:///home/rickey/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386
[04:29] <rickey> tar
[04:29] <wers> Service '/usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop' is malformatted.
[04:29] <wesley> hello can somebody help me? i am trying to install kbfx on 64 bit. But get see that it dont find kde3 headers   http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/619/schermafdruk36dx6.jpg
[04:29] <wers> what do I do to correct the link to oo.o?
[04:30] <pagan0ne> rickey: ok so if you       cd /home/rickey       and then          tar -zxf ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386   it returns file not found?
[04:31] <rickey> yes
[04:31] <pagan0ne> rickey: and your using approptate case (as its case sensitive)?
[04:32] <rickey> yes small case
[04:32] <pagan0ne> rickey: then my suggestion would be to delete it, and redownload the file, but ive never had a issue like that
[04:33] <wesley> where can i find kde3 headers?
[04:33] <BluesKaj> wesley, are you running ubuntu/gnome ?
[04:34] <wesley> no kubuntu
[04:34] <BluesKaj> look in adept
[04:34] <wesley> did i already
[04:34] <wesley> http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/619/schermafdruk36dx6.jpg
[04:35] <Jucato_> wesley: kdelibs4-dev
[04:35] <ivanbili> can someone look at their fstab file and tell me their entry for their proc and main partition? thanks
[04:35] <LjL> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[04:36] <LjL> UUID=c50ae320-b4fd-434e-b81d-3088ae67e6fc /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:36] <pagan0ne> rickey: http://us.dl1.yimg.com/download.yahoo.com/dl/unix/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb   download that
[04:36] <Fivetwentysix> Why is Konqueror so much faster than Firefox?
[04:36] <ivanbili> LjL: do you know why sometimes it says: UUID=xxxxxxx and sometimes just dev/sda3 for example?
[04:36] <z1pp3r> Fivetwentysix, uhm, cus' it can be?
[04:37] <LjL> !uuid | ivanbili
[04:37] <ubotu> ivanbili: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:37] <ivanbili> thanks
[04:39] <wesley> adept did'nt find  kdelibs4-dev
[04:39] <Jucato_> !info kdelibs4-dev
[04:39] <ubotu> kdelibs4-dev: development files for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14.1 (feisty), package size 1315 kB, installed size 7472 kB
[04:41] <BluesKaj> wesley, maybe you need to add or uncomment some deb sources in in you sources.list file
[04:42] <Jucato_> oh yeah, deb-src :)
[04:42] <Jucato_> stupid me :P
[04:42] <deviance> !info libqt3mt
[04:42] <ubotu> Package libqt3mt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:43] <wesley> found it i did not had set the updates good ( clean install tosday )
[04:45] <ksivaji> whether apache is a IBM product like Eclipse .
[04:47] <deviance> !info libqt3-mt
[04:47] <ubotu> libqt3-mt: Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3. In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5.1 (feisty), package size 3222 kB, installed size 8916 kB
[04:48] <ubunturos> !qt4
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qt4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <ubunturos> !libqt-4
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libqt-4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <rickey> now i have realy messed up
[04:50] <bahr> dang, kubuntu looks much nicer  than ubuntu :o
[04:51] <ibilic> should proc be in a separate partition?
[04:51] <Fivetwentysix> While I'm playing Warcraft III via Wine, i can't click while im holding alt, how do i fix that?
[04:51] <bahr> can somebody tell me, if and how I manage to setup a connection to a vpn which is pptp?
[04:51] <ibilic> before, I think I saw it in a 1024Kb partition
[04:51] <ibilic> now it's in the /proc folder on the main partition
[04:51] <wesley> i get now this CMake Error: Could NOT find msgfmt program : how do i find msgftmt?
[04:52] <rickey> i went into /home to see if i could send ymessenger to adept manger and now wen i try to open system menu  i get a loge in request
[04:53] <rickey> like if i am trying to open adept manger
[04:53] <`AnthraX> hello, i need some help about my internet.As you see i am on internet right now but i can't access web's or download updates.What can i do to fix that?
[04:54] <rickey> sommehow the the follleder in system menu got pointed at adept manger
[04:54] <wesley> CMake Error: Could NOT find msgfmt program . Where do i find it?
[04:54] <rickey>   hoe do i correct this
[04:55] <ivanbili> for my own reference:
 proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
 UUID=c50ae320-b4fd-434e-b81d-3088ae67e6fc /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:56] <Fivetwentysix> While I'm playing Warcraft III via Wine, i can't click while im holding alt, how do i fix that?
[04:58] <deviance> In kopete would Ggoogle Talk be Jabber?
[04:58] <ubunturos> deviance: most likely
[05:01] <LjL> wesley:
[05:01] <LjL> ljl@ljlbox:~$ apt-file search msgfmt
[05:01] <LjL> gettext: usr/bin/msgfmt
[05:02] <LjL> !find msgfmt
[05:02] <ubotu> File msgfmt found in gettext, libgettext-ruby-util, xviewg-dev
[05:02] <ubunturos> !tomcat5
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomcat5 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:02] <ubunturos> !tomcat
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomcat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:02] <ubunturos> !apache
[05:02] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[05:02] <Jucato> !botabuse | ubunturos
[05:02] <ubotu> ubunturos: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:02] <ubunturos> Jucato: is it one request at at time?
[05:02] <wesley> whats that msgfmt program i cant find it in adept
[05:03] <ubunturos> oops!
[05:03] <`AnthraX> hello jucato
[05:03] <Jucato> ubunturos: if you're not sure of what you're looking for, better PM ubotu
[05:03] <ubunturos> Jucato: umm, I didn't know that.
[05:03] <Jucato> now you do :)
[05:03] <Jucato> hi `AnthraX
[05:04] <deviance> pete :D
[05:04] <`AnthraX> jucato, i'll need some help regarding my internet connection
[05:04] <deviance> Is there any point in using kopete for IRC instead of konversation? Like a reduce processor or soemthing
[05:05] <ibilic> does the order of the statements in a fstab file matter?
[05:05] <Jucato> ibilic: nope afaik
[05:05] <`AnthraX> i can connect to internet throw ether but i can't access any webs
[05:05] <Jucato> deviance: not really... Kopete's IRC features basically is not very good, to put it kindly
[05:05] <deviance> Okay :D
[05:06] <`AnthraX> and* i can't download updates. i got 354 updates to download
[05:06] <Jucato> hm...
[05:06] <wers> Service '/usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop' is malformatted.-Katapult
[05:07] <wers> what is the problem?
[05:07] <wers> I just installed oo.o 2.3
[05:07] <`AnthraX> neither from sudo or from the Update manager
[05:07] <`AnthraX> ah, i just saw that jucato
[05:07] <`AnthraX> :/
[05:07] <Jucato> wers: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, click Ok, try again
[05:09] <`AnthraX> jucato again :P i think is something in my System - Administration - Software Sources
[05:09] <Jucato> hm.. again.. #ubuntu? :)
[05:09] <Jucato> #ubuntu
[05:10] <ibilic> what's the command to find out the UUID of your hard disks again?
[05:10] <Jucato> !uuid | ibilic
[05:10] <ubotu> ibilic: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:10] <ibilic> thanks
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> i always do a ls -l /dev/disks/by-uuid :)
[05:11] <`AnthraX> jucato on the Third Party Software i have this: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> i think thats the right place
[05:11] <Jucato> `AnthraX: I don't think that should affect things
[05:13] <ibilic> ok, can I have someone's swap partition line from their fstab file? thanks
[05:13] <ibilic> ( I installed a new hard disk and it messed up everything )
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> http://www.xanda.org/index.php?page=performance-tuning-for-linux-swap-partition
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> has examples.
[05:14] <Jucato> UUID=[insert your own here]  none            swap    sw              0       0
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> if you put the new hd in front of the others - the /dev/whatever entrys may of moved. thats why uuid is  a good idea.
[05:14] <Jucato> btw, you can also use the /dev/hdxx style if you want to
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> I did see an artical/forum stating that if you resized a partition the uuid would change..  but have never seen that behavior. Not sure if the guy was confused or not.
[05:15] <Jucato> yep that's true
[05:16] <Jucato> any modification you make to the partition, resize, repartition, delete+recreate
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Jucato i moved some partitions however and dident see that happen.
[05:16] <Jucato> hm... happened to me :)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> i may have the fstab using the old style. Its on my laptop. I keep meaning to check.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> I tend to set mine to mount based on Label. :)
[05:16] <genii> Dr_Willis: I've found that if you resize, the next one's uuid shifts
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> ahh the next ones. Hmm..
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> must be some specific resizing operations that do it.
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> of course I do belive that with the tune2fs tool. you can set the uuid. :)
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> so set them to 0000-000-000-001 ? :) and up?
[05:17] <genii> Would simlify things
[05:18] <genii> *simplify
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> I mount mine based on the disk Label.
[05:18] <maxagaz> hi
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> makes the fstab much more readable.
[05:18] <Jucato> um.. LABEL=
[05:18] <maxagaz> how to set a remote ssh folder ?
[05:18] <Jucato> !ssh
[05:18] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Yep. I read the Manual/docs and learned to do it by label.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> remote ssh folder..Hmm..  clarify what you mean.
[05:20] <adenin> hello, could anybody please write here why "system settings"->"network settings" utility always throws message "the default gateway ip address is invalid" when I try to set my wifi pci card manually? ...If I do it by commandline "sudo ip route add default via 172.22.19.254", it works good :(
[05:20] <ibilic> so is it a good idea to add "pri=0" in your options for the swap partition?
[05:20] <wers> hmmm.. it seems that my oo.o is installed in /opt/openoffice.org2.3/.. how do I point my launchers to that location?
[05:20] <maxagaz> Dr_Willis: I need to edit a text file which is in a distant computer which I can access via SSH
[05:21] <Jucato> wers: did you do what I said earlier? no luck?
[05:21] <maxagaz> using Quanta.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> you might want to check out that sshfs tool then
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> it makes the ssh connection transparent to the programs.
[05:21] <Jucato> maxagaz: you can access the computer using ssh?
[05:21] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: um.. KDE can do that already. built-in
[05:21] <wers> Jucato, I found no place there where I can point to the folder
[05:22] <Jucato> wers: huh???
[05:22] <Jucato> wers: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, click Ok, try again
[05:22] <Jucato> wers: can't you launch OO.o from the K Menu at all? or is Katapult the only one having problems
[05:23] <wers> both Jucato
[05:23] <Jucato> maxagaz: if you can reach the computer through SSH, all you need to do in Quanta or in any KDE app is to enter the location+user name if necessary in the Open File dialog box
[05:24] <wers> I went to the configuration window but I do not know waht to do so I just clicked ok and it still does not work
[05:24] <Jucato> wers: how did you install OO.o 2.3
[05:24] <ibilic> The order of records in fstab is important because fsck(8), mount(8), and umount(8) sequentially iterate through fstab doing their thing.
[05:25] <ibilic> from the actual man pages
[05:25] <ibilic> somebody said it didn't matter
[05:25] <Jucato> I did. sorry
[05:25] <Jucato> my swap is near the bottom
[05:25] <wers> Jucato: I downloaded the debs.. cd to the DEBS folder then "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[05:25] <Jucato> O.o
[05:25] <Jucato> !info openoffice.org
[05:25] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[05:26] <Jucato> 2.3 is such a big change from 2.2 in feisty?
[05:26] <Jucato> wers: not sure how well that went since you bypassed the repositories...
[05:26] <genii> Jucato: I dunno but trying to upgrade OOo in gutsy was a nightmare
[05:27] <Jucato> wers: what happens when you try to run in from Konsole?
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> yea - but for a while there were updates evyer other day to it.. and i never used it. :)
[05:27] <CheshireKot> Hi everybody!
[05:28] <ibilic> now, at startup, how does the kernel know where the fstab file is located if the hard disk with it needs to be mounted first?
[05:28] <wers> !paste
[05:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:28] <wers> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37915/
[05:28] <Jucato> hm.. I don't think the boot process goes like that
[05:29] <wers> students like me really need oo.o
[05:29] <Jucato> wers: it doesn't launch at all?
[05:29] <wers> it doesnt
[05:29] <Jucato> ignore those BadDevice errors
[05:29] <Jucato> wers: is that the command line for openoffice? I thought it was oowriter
[05:29] <wers> yeah.. nothing happened after those errors
[05:29] <Jucato> and don't include the
[05:29] <Jucato> %U
[05:30] <wers> i copied it from kmenu editor's command
[05:30] <Jucato> that's why :P
[05:30] <wers> imma try ooffice
[05:30] <Jucato>  is a placeholder
[05:30] <wers> i mean
[05:30] <Jucato> %U is a placeholder
[05:30] <wers> oowriter
[05:30] <poison--> WHY DA HELL IS SO DIFICULT TO MAKE A LAPTOP WEBCAM TO WORK :(
[05:30] <poison--> upos.. sorry bout caps
[05:30] <wers> The program 'oowriter' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:...
[05:30] <wers> this is odd
[05:30] <wers> hahahahahah
[05:31] <Jucato> wers: because you overwrote the default oowriter it seems...
[05:31] <wers> hmmm
[05:31] <Jucato> (was there a particular reason you tried to install 2.3?)
[05:31] <wers> so what am I supposed to do?
[05:31] <maxagaz> Jucato: what syntax to use to open the file via ssh in quanta ?
[05:32] <Jucato> maxagaz: sftp://username@blahblahblah or fish://username@blahblabhblah
[05:32] <Jucato> where blahblahblah would be your computer's IP/host
[05:32] <Jucato> your remote computer's
[05:33] <Jucato> one of KDE's biggest features is network transparency. you can treat remote files as if they were local
[05:33] <Jucato> in almost any app
[05:33] <Tomerz> How do i open mp3 files from ntfs windows partition?
[05:34] <ksivaji> Jucato tell  me you systems usernam and ip
[05:34] <LjL> no password?
[05:34] <Jucato> yeah right
[05:35] <ksivaji> Tomerz mount the ntfs partition and then open
[05:35] <Jucato> wers: btw, on my laptop, 1.6Ghz, 495MB RAM, Feisty, OO.o 2.2, initial run takes 10 seconds. next runs are 2-3s
[05:35] <Tomerz> it's faild
[05:35] <Tomerz> someone here told me about somethingg to install
[05:35] <Tomerz> ntfs 3g something like that
[05:35] <wers> hmm.. what version Jucato?
[05:36] <Jucato> [23:35]  <Jucato> wers: btw, on my laptop, 1.6Ghz, 495MB RAM, Feisty, OO.o 2.2, initial run takes 10 seconds. next runs are 2-3s
[05:36] <ksivaji> !ntfs
[05:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:36] <Tomerz> !ntfs-3g
[05:36] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:36] <Jucato> [23:35]  <Jucato> wers: btw, on my laptop, 1.6Ghz, 495MB RAM, Feisty, OO.o 2.2, initial run takes 10 seconds. next runs are 2-3s
[05:39] <n8k99> show off
[05:39] <wers> hmmm
[05:39] <wers> okay..
[05:39] <wers> so what do I do?
[05:39] <wers> I just reinstall oo.o?
[05:39] <wers> watchuthink?
[05:39] <Jucato> I would recommend it
[05:39] <Jucato> and stick to 2.2 in the meantime
[05:40] <Jucato> unless there's some dire reason you need 2.3 :)
[05:40] <wers> k
[05:40] <wers> you're the man
[05:40] <wers> i do what you say
[05:40] <Jucato> nah. I'm just the kid
[05:40] <Jucato> lol!
[05:40] <Jucato> I'm not an OO.o authority
[05:40] <Jucato> I avoid it if I can
[05:41] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-config ...don't forget
[05:41] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-config
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-config - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <BluesKaj> dumb bot
[05:42] <BluesKaj> !info ntfs-config
[05:42] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[05:43] <Jucato> GIGO :)
[05:43] <BluesKaj> ?
[05:43] <arun> Can I use my Sony connect MP3 player with Ubuntu?
[05:44] <BluesKaj> try it and see , arun
[05:44] <BluesKaj> or listen rather
[05:50] <arun> BluesKaj: I want to load songs onto it, how do I do that?
[05:51] <BluesKaj> is it detected in /media ?
[05:51] <adenin> hello, Is anybody able to play video files from sony ericsson mobile phones - extension 3gp with audio? if yes, what software do you use?thanx
[05:52] <n8k99> arun did amarok detect it?
[05:53] <arun> BluesKaj: it's detected in /media
[05:54] <BluesKaj> can ,you open it and see the files there
[05:55] <arun> BluesKaj: i see a bunch of DAT files
[05:55] <arun> i think the songs are all in some OMA format
[05:56] <BluesKaj> try to copy them to a folder
[05:56] <arun> is there any way to convert mp3s to OMA before i transfer?
[05:57] <BluesKaj> sorry dunno anything about OMA
[06:00] <ibilic> whenever I start Kubuntu, the IRC client starts
[06:00] <ibilic> why?
[06:00] <ibilic> how can I not make it start?
[06:00] <z1pp3r> close it down, before you log out
[06:00] <ibilic> i.e. it's as if it is in the "startup" folder in Windows
[06:00] <ibilic> aha ok
[06:00] <ibilic> let me try
[06:01] <stdin> because you had it open when you logged out, made sure you choose "Quit" when you close it
[06:01] <ibilic> right... it just gets minimized
[06:01] <stdin> not when you choose "Quit"
[06:01] <stdin> File > Quit
[06:01] <Tomerz> !superkaramba
[06:01] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[06:01] <stdin> or right click the icon in the system tray
[06:02] <Tomerz> how do i install superkaramba?
[06:02] <stdin> Tomerz: from adept
[06:02] <Tomerz> this is the add/remove programs?
[06:02] <Tomerz> i didnt find it there
[06:02] <rickey> ant geeks in here
[06:02] <rickey>  i need a geek
[06:02] <stdin> Tomerz: look in adept, not add/remove
[06:03] <z1pp3r> rickey, yeah... talking to human beings like that will definitely give you the help you need
[06:03] <rickey> geek is a good thing
[06:03] <z1pp3r> no
[06:04] <rickey> ok try this linux wizard
[06:04] <rickey> '
[06:04] <stdin> you could just ask your question and see...
[06:04] <z1pp3r> rickey, or you could just state your question
[06:04] <rickey> thats what geek means in my generation
[06:05] <rickey> it,s kinda like egg head
[06:05] <stdin> if you have a question, ask it
[06:07] <rickey> well i have messed up  big time , . i was trying to move a file {y messenger} to adept manger
[06:08] <rickey>  i pointed the file to  adept manger   now wen i am trying to open system menu , i get a loge in promp
[06:08] <rickey> for adept manager
[06:08] <rickey>  how do i straten this mess out
[06:09] <XboxUser> Can anyone help me get ident working in Konversation? Normally (on windows) i port forwarded 113 and it worked, doesn't do anything now
[06:09] <rickey> how do i put it back rigth
[06:10] <BluesKaj> I was  a lousy lazy student , a decent athlete, a drummer ,a party animal in my younger days , turned father and grandfather and raised 4 kids ...no one ever called me a geek . Knowing a little about pcs and linux doesn't make one a geek IMO :)
[06:11] <rickey> i wish i was a geek
[06:11] <BluesKaj> gawd
[06:11] <stdin> XboxUser: you have an ident daemon installed?
[06:11] <rickey> <<< would be prould to be a geek
[06:12] <XboxUser> stdin: nope, didn't know I need one... how would I install one?
[06:12] <BluesKaj> then rickey start studying :)
[06:12] <stdin> XboxUser: search adept for "ident-server"
[06:12] <rickey> but now back to my problem with  what i have done
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> identd deamons are normally not needed these days
[06:14] <BluesKaj> stdin, why does he need an ident-server ...whynot just open port 6667
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> given  how useless they are.
[06:15] <stdin> BluesKaj: ident/auth doesn't run on 6667
[06:15] <slackern> 113 is ident
[06:15] <XboxUser> stdin: I found ident2,an advanced, configurable ident daemon
[06:15] <BluesKaj> sounds dangerous if it's lower than port 1064
[06:15] <stdin> some IRC networks for example require the user to have an ident
[06:15] <XboxUser> should i install ident2?
[06:16] <stdin> XboxUser: use what you like :) I use bidentd on my server (where the port is forwarded to) and pidentd on all the clients, and I can ident from any client
[06:16] <tsb> I'd like to remove memtest86+ now. By doing so, aptitude wants to remove the metapackages ubuntu-base and ubuntu-standard. Is this something to worry at all about? I'm thinking I might lose updates in the future if one of those metapackages are updated.
[06:16] <rickey> thank for the help
[06:16] <slackern> I'm using oidentd here myself
[06:16] <Jucato> tsb: why not just edit the GRUB menu?
[06:17] <tsb> Jucato: because it is added at devery upgrade and after a few years now that is getting annoying. :)
[06:17] <tsb> I don't need it.
[06:17] <tsb> (that is - after every update-grub command)
[06:17] <stdin> tsb: there's an option to stop that
[06:17] <Jucato> the metapackages do help in making sure you get the proper updates
[06:17] <tsb> I guess I could just remove the file manually from /boot but..
[06:18] <tsb> Jucato: right, thought so; I'll keep it then.
[06:18] <tsb> stdin: yeah? I haven't seen it
[06:18] <Jucato> of course you're free to remove them. their just metapackages
[06:18] <stdin> tsb: set "# memtest86=true" to "# memtest86=false" in your menu.lst
[06:18] <tsb> Jucato: I know, but as I said, I'd prefer to keep them since they might get updated later
[06:18] <stdin> tsb: should be a few lines before "## ## End Default Options ##"
[06:19] <tsb> stdin: well I'll be darn. Thanks! :)
[06:20] <rickey> i gress ill hafe to reinstall the whole  system to fix moveing a file to the wrong place
[06:21] <BluesKaj> what did you move , rickey
[06:21] <tsb> stdin: hrm, actually update-grub resets the memtest line
[06:21] <tsb> so it's not honored.
[06:21] <stdin> tsb: it shouldn't, it's an option.
[06:21] <tsb> stdin: I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it does. :)
[06:21] <stdin> tsb: if it resets it please report that as a bug against grub
[06:21] <rickey> i moved a file form /home to adept manager
[06:22] <tsb> stdin: okay, thank you.
[06:22] <Jucato> the only ones that should be modified by update-grub is the automagic kernel list
[06:22] <rickey> now wen i try to open home i get a root loge in  promp
[06:22] <ubunturos> does anybody have a quick guide (with screenshots) to pppoeconf
[06:22] <stdin> tsb: in the short term, removing those meta-packages won't harm you, so if you want to that's ok
[06:22] <ubunturos> ?
[06:23] <tsb> stdin: it's not that important, I rarely reboot and when I do it hardly matters, I'm just desperately postponing other important things. :)
[06:23] <rickey> blue do you have any ideal what i have done
[06:24] <BluesKaj> no and i don't understand why , rickey
[06:24] <Ace2016> moving a file should never kill linux, just boot knoppix or something and your off, unless you forget the password to your encrypted partition like i have, 20+ letters and i remember most of them :( but not all of them
[06:25] <rickey> wen i tryed to move ymessenger to adept manger it asked me if i want to use this program to open this file from now on
[06:25] <ubunturos> my question is the same as that of - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549317 - thread
[06:25] <Ace2016> lol you messed up your file associations?
[06:26] <rickey> jucato i didnt know i couldnt do that
[06:26] <rickey> yes i think so
[06:26] <Jucato> then what happens now?
[06:27] <rickey> so ace what should i do
[06:27] <rickey>  do you think?
[06:29] <ivanbili> xorg.conf files... what do the different ones mean? xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf.2 xorg.conf.backup?
[06:29] <Jucato> those would be backup copies
[06:30] <Jucato> automatically generated by some script or program perhaps
[06:30] <ivanbili> so which one is the most recent backup?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> check the dates on them with ls -l
[06:31] <ivanbili> will do, thanks
[06:31] <stdin> ivanbili: the one with the highest number usually
[06:31] <Glebiuskv> ls -l
[06:31] <junkeR_> hey, if I want to dual boot xp and kubuntu... do I install XP first..?
[06:31] <rickey> so pepoel will i hafe to reinstall kubuuuntu 7.04?
[06:32] <rickey> kubuntu 7.04
[06:33] <Jucato> rickey: what kind of file is ymessenger?
[06:33] <rickey> tar
[06:34] <Jucato> rickey: ok so after that, what is happening now?
[06:34] <neolinuxien> bonjour, quelqu un pourrait il m apporter quelques explication sur un soucis avec ma carte video ?
[06:34] <Jucato> !fr | neolinuxien
[06:34] <ubotu> neolinuxien: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:35] <neolinuxien> ok
[06:35] <rickey> wen i try to opensystem menu all i get is a root loge in promp for adept manager
[06:35] <BluesKaj> junkeR_, yes windows, then kubuntu
[06:36] <Jucato> rickey: system menu, as in the one beside the K Menu?
[06:36] <rickey> yes
[06:36] <Jucato> ok hold on a sec. let me try something
[06:38] <Jucato> rickey: Alt+F2, type in "konqueror" (without the quotes)
[06:39] <PunaKone> hmm, im wondering, why doesnt kubuntu boot as a livecd on my laptop, i tried both 64bit and 32bit versions, my laptop is a fujitsu-siemens amilo pa 2510
[06:40] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[06:40] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: September 19 2007, 19:40:45 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Developers in 3 hours 19 minutes
[06:42] <rickey> i am waiteing on you
[06:42] <Jucato> lol I was waiting for you to tell me you were ready :)
[06:42] <rickey> what am i to typed
[06:43] <Jucato> rickey: Alt+F2, type in "konqueror" (without the quotes)
[06:43] <Jucato> go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[06:43] <rickey> i am ready
[06:43] <Jucato> there's a list near the middle. select "inode" then "directory"
[06:44] <Jucato> rickey: done?
[06:45] <rickey> not started
[06:45] <Jucato> what is not started yet?
[06:46] <rickey> ALT+ F2 takes me to run comand
[06:46] <Jucato> rickey: um.. of course it does.
[06:46] <Jucato> [00:43]  <Jucato> rickey: Alt+F2, type in "konqueror" (without the quotes)
[06:47] <Jucato> type in "konqueror" in run command
[06:47] <rickey> what am i to type here
[06:47] <Jucato> [00:43]  <Jucato> rickey: Alt+F2, type in "konqueror" (without the quotes)
[06:47] <Jucato> or to make it simpler.. just go to K Menu -> Internet -> Konqueror
[06:48] <rickey> ok
[06:49] <Jucato> now you're in Konqueror right? go to Settings menu -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[06:50] <vecina> How come k3b only burns image files in .iso format, and not .bin or .mdf?
[06:50] <rickey> ok there
[06:51] <Jucato> there's a list near the middle, "Known types". select "inode" then "directory"
[06:51] <Jucato> do you see it?
[06:52] <rickey> ok
[06:52] <stdin> vecina: in can do bin/cue, mfd is a compresses proprietary type and it's not k3b that burns it, it's the tools it uses. so it's a limitation of those tools
[06:52] <stdin> vecina: there are tools to convert the image types to iso tho
[06:52] <stdin> !iso | vecina
[06:52] <ubotu> vecina: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:52] <vecina> stdin: I see. What about the .bin ?
[06:52] <rickey> yes i see it
[06:52] <Jucato> rickey: ok, while inode/directory is selected, at the right, there's a list under Application Preference Order
[06:53] <stdin> vecina: it does burn bin/cue yes
[06:53] <rickey>  yes i see it
[06:53] <vecina> stdin: Oh, bin burns normally? cool
[06:53] <Jucato> rickey: is Adept Manager in that list?
[06:53] <rickey> yes
[06:53] <elite101> hey
[06:53] <st10km> hello
[06:53] <st10km> I need some help pleas
[06:54] <stdin> !ask
[06:54] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:54] <st10km> ok
[06:54] <sbucat> lol
[06:54] <sbucat> =)
[06:54] <st10km> 10ks
[06:54] <st10km> : )
[06:54] <Jucato> rickey: click on Adept Manager and then click on Remove
[06:54] <sbucat> woot
[06:54] <rickey> ok done
[06:54] <st10km> I can t install the flash pluging I am with ubuntu
[06:54] <elite101> #ubuntu maybe?
[06:54] <Jucato> rickey: click on apply. then everything should work as normal
[06:54] <rickey> appily , ok and leave
[06:55] <st10km> yes
[06:55] <rickey> thank you so much
[06:55] <Jucato> rickey: everything's ok now?
[06:55] <rickey> yes it is
[06:56] <Jucato> yay!!
[06:56] <stdin> st10km: install it from add/remove or synaptic, and not from the download site
[06:56] <st10km> ok I ll try
[06:56] <rickey>  oooooooooooo man me too
[06:56] <st10km> tank you
[06:56] <stdin> !helpersnack | Jucato
[06:56] <ubotu> Jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[06:56] <Jucato> yay!!! :)
[06:56] <jussi01> hehe
[06:57] <poison--> is it possible to change the way mouse clicks act to double-click to open files?
[06:57] <Jucato> of course :)
[06:57] <poison--> where?
[06:57] <poison--> lmao
[06:57] <Jucato> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse
[06:57] <rickey> now jucato wen you catch you breath
[06:57] <elite101> yeah^
[06:57] <poison--> humm
[06:57] <poison--> didnt find where
[06:57] <SoulChild> why do i have a eth2 device but no eth1 ???
[06:57] <elite101> i had the same problem but i like the single click
[06:57] <rickey>  ill ask if you use yahoo messenger
[06:58] <poison--> ups.. sorry, just found it
[06:58] <poison--> need glasses i guess
[06:58] <elite101> :P
[06:58] <elite101> man im on a online IRC client
[06:58] <Jucato> I liked the single click.. for a year
[06:58] <poison--> Soulchild, change it
[06:58] <elite101> wen-based*
[06:58] <elite101> web*
[06:58] <poison--> haaarrr haaarrr
[06:58] <poison--> :D
[06:58] <st10km> excuse me where is the synaptic ?
[06:58] <slackern> :p
[06:58] <poison--> add it
[06:58] <poison--> kubuntu dont have it
[06:58] <stdin> st10km: are you on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:58] <jussi01> st10km: synaptic == adept
[06:59] <poison--> "add/remove appz"
[06:59] <stdin> st10km: in Kubuntu use Adept?
[06:59] <SoulChild> poison--: how ?
[06:59] <st10km> Ubuntu
[06:59] <elite101> lol
[06:59] <stdin> *no '?'
[06:59] <poison--> !ethernet
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <elite101> !devices
[06:59] <poison--> argh
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devices - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <elite101> mhm
[06:59] <poison--> !eth
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eth - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <poison--> omfg
[06:59] <elite101> ahh stop now
[06:59] <SoulChild> poison--: harrr harrr
[06:59] <poison--> i know i read sometin bout dat
[06:59] <elite101> where screwing around with the bot
[06:59] <poison--> goin limp!
[06:59] <poison--> lmao
[06:59] <BluesKaj> st10km, use synaptic
[07:00] <poison--> just a sec soulchild
[07:00] <st10km> I have 2 download it ?
[07:00] <elite101> lol i requested 15 CD's of Kubuntu :D to give out to my friends
[07:00] <rickey> i want ot download yahoo messenger , can sommeone give me a good link to the rigth one i should be useing , i have kubuntu 7.04
[07:00] <elite101> 7.04* thou
[07:00] <poison--> i requested 50, they sent me 5 :(
[07:00] <elite101> Kopete
[07:00] <stdin> st10km: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[07:00] <elite101> Kopete
[07:00] <elite101> !!! >.<
[07:01] <elite101> rickey, use kopete?
[07:01] <poison--> rickey, use aMSN, Kopete or even gaim
[07:01] <st10km> Lol thank you
[07:01] <stdin> rickey: kopete works with yahoo, and it's better than the yahoo version for linux
[07:01] <elite101> aMSN personally i think it sucks
[07:01] <poison--> like it
[07:01] <rickey> but yoou cant live chat in the livve chatrooms with kopeete
[07:01] <elite101> runs slow i like kopete better its more "up-to-date"
[07:01] <poison--> can even use my porn emoticons from MSN
[07:01] <poison--> :D
[07:01] <Jucato> !language | poison--
[07:01] <ubotu> poison--: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:01] <stdin> rickey: you can't with the linux version of yahoo messenger either
[07:02] <elite101> !offtopic-poison--
[07:02] <elite101> opps
[07:02] <elite101> lanuage nvm
[07:02] <rickey> oooooooooooo my
[07:02] <rickey>  i need my yahoo
[07:02] <elite101> man i suck @ typing this IRC sucks
[07:02] <st10km> stdin - thank you very much
[07:02] <llp78> restarted the pc and now lost sound - havent a clue what to look for can anyone point me in the right direction ?
[07:03] <rickey> is there a program that will run yahoo live chhatrooms
[07:03] <elite101> wow when did all these people come in here? i remember when kubuntu only had like 250ppl at the max
[07:03] <luca> hi everyone
[07:03] <poison--> still searchin here
[07:04] <luca> has anyone tried to install the latest nvidia driver and run compiz?
[07:04] <poison--> what did i said?
[07:04] <poison--> cant say porn?
[07:04] <elite101> NO
[07:04] <poison--> damn
[07:04] <elite101> its rude plus there is young people here
[07:04] <stdin> deal with it, move on
[07:04] <rickey> so linux pepole cant use yahoo live chatroom anymore
[07:04] <elite101> >.<
[07:04] <st10km> I heve to restart ?
[07:04] <elite101> rickey, read on kubuntu/ubuntu website
[07:05] <stdin> st10km: no, just restart firefox
[07:05] <Fivetwentysix> How do i restart apache2?
[07:05] <stdin> Fivetwentysix: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[07:05] <st10km> I installed all pachage where I found like the name flash player
[07:05] <cee> what kind of packages do i need to have installed to get MusicSharing(daap) to work in amarok?
[07:05] <st10km> and it doesn t work
[07:05] <rickey> elilte do you have the link
[07:05] <poison--> soulchild : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439136
[07:05] <elite101> no
[07:05] <elite101> its elite*
[07:05] <stdin> st10km: it's called "flashplugin-nonfree"
[07:05] <elite101> 101
[07:06] <stdin> !flash | st10km
[07:06] <ubotu> st10km: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:06] <SoulChild> poison--: thanks
[07:06] <st10km> ok than ks
[07:06] <poison--> np
[07:07] <elite101> man i broke my patch cord :( for my guitar
[07:07] <elite101> i havent played in like 2weeks now
[07:08] <Doctor_Nick> woo
[07:08] <elite101> i have no money to buy a new one :(
[07:08] <Doctor_Nick> yay
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> patch the patch corf.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> patch the patch cord.
[07:08] <elite101> lol
[07:08] <danny500> I'm having a problem with System update, Synaptic Install Manager, and the Add/Remove Manager.
[07:08] <elite101> i smashed it cuz it gave me feed back when i  fingertap :P
[07:08] <elite101> it was a 10$ cord
[07:08] <TunaTom> danny500: What's the problem?
[07:08] <danny500> They open, but when I tell them to install they just refresh the list and thats it.
[07:08] <elite101> it was cheap too only had 1 ring
[07:09] <danny500> So I can't install or uninstall anything.
[07:09] <danny500> Well actually Synaptic won't open anymore
[07:09] <elite101> wow kubuntu CD's deliver so fast to my house only takes 2weeks :D
[07:09] <danny500> but I'm thinking it might be from what I did yesturday
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> try apt-get update/upgrade from the terminal yet?
[07:10] <danny500> I did this "sudo chmod 00007 / "
[07:10] <TunaTom> danny500: What did you do yesterday?
[07:10] <TunaTom> Do
[07:10] <TunaTom> nt
[07:10] <danny500> opened up the permissions for everything on the system
[07:10] <elite101> what is that doo
[07:10] <stdin> !away > blizzzek
[07:10] <elite101> omg
[07:10] <elite101> chmmod 0007 does that
[07:11] <elite101> chmod*
[07:11] <TunaTom> chmod -R ?
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> that looks silly
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> actually i thought it would just change the modes on the first layer of files /dirs in /
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> 0007 seems odd... also
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> it changes just the permissions of /.
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> and its backwards
[07:11] <elite101> no its 00007
[07:11] <danny500> Well I was trying to install something through command line and it kept stopping and whinning about permissions so I just opened up permission for everything on the system
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> that looks like a umask
[07:11] <Hydrarrghgen> rather than permissions
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Hydrarrghgen yep.
[07:11] <elite101> so can i do that if something tells me to run in root?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> 'problem exists between keyboard and chair'
[07:12] <elite101> even when i do sudo it asks me can i do chmod 00007?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:12] <danny500> no it gives you permission to change things within system folders.
[07:12] <elite101> ahh ic
[07:12] <elite101> nvm then
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> isent there a few too many 0's ?
[07:12] <Hydrarrghgen> thtas a really stupid thing to d.
[07:12] <Hydrarrghgen> o
[07:12] <danny500> nope
[07:12] <Hydrarrghgen> yes
[07:12] <Hydrarrghgen> it is
[07:12] <danny500> 4 0 and one 7
[07:12] <elite101> yep
[07:12] <SoulChild> How do i update udev ????
[07:12] <danny500> or should it be 0007
[07:12] <Hydrarrghgen> anyways I need to go
[07:12] <TunaTom> Dr_Willis: That adds the sticky bit?
[07:13] <danny500> O_O WHAT DID I DO????
[07:13] <elite101> :P
[07:13] <danny500> brb
[07:13] <elite101> why not 007?
[07:13] <Hydrarrghgen> 007 isn't even possible
[07:13] <TunaTom> :)
[07:13] <Hydrarrghgen> because it means everyone can read/write/execute execpt the group/owner
[07:13] <Hydrarrghgen> which makes no sense!
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> chmod 0007 name   Allow only other users (the world) to read, write, and execute this file or directory
[07:13] <danny500> Ya. It's your os and your computer but your not aloud to do anything. How conveinient.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Hydrarrghgen yep. thats.... oddddd
[07:14] <elite101> lol they should have that for windows user's
[07:14] <danny500> They do
[07:14] <elite101> sorry i mean "windoze user's"
[07:14] <vecina> bchunk says it cant find the cue image. There isn't one though, just a .bin
[07:14] <TunaTom> danny500: It's your os and your computer. You're even allowed to break it.
[07:14] <elite101> :D
[07:14] <elite101> ill break it for him
[07:14] <danny500> lol
[07:15] <danny500> No I'll do it. My window is already open.
[07:15] <danny500> Just gotta get a good throw
[07:15] <TunaTom> Normally restoring the permissions wouldn't be too hard? dkpg --reconfigure or so?
[07:15] <elite101> lol take your HDD punch the top of it make a dent and put it back in it will fix it :P
[07:15] <elite101> *click click click...
[07:15] <TunaTom> Can't you do that from the "rescue" login?
[07:16] <danny500> who me?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> different dirs in / have different permissions. So one would need to fidn out what perms are needed on each dir.
[07:16] <elite101> i hate when HDD go to sh*t on u :( it sucks
[07:16] <danny500> elite. I actually did that once and it did fix it.
[07:16] <elite101> :D
[07:16] <Ace2016> thats not what you do, you put glue in the air hole of the drive,  that'll break ti
[07:16] <Ace2016> it*
[07:16] <elite101> lol
[07:17] <elite101> thats even better
[07:17] <danny500> lol we really love computers eh
[07:17] <elite101> or sauder the transistors together and put it back in
[07:17] <elite101> :P
[07:17] <TunaTom> danny500: Can't you use dpkg --reconfigure from that "rescue" login?
[07:17] <elite101> lol i twisted the transistors on a MOBO (p3 mobo) and gave it to my friend :P
[07:17] <danny500> nope
[07:17] <elite101> they blew up sending metal into his face
[07:18] <elite101> R.I.P jake
[07:18] <elite101> :P JK
[07:20] <kardek> jjj
[07:20] <elite101> wow quiet?
[07:21] <sbucat> lol
[07:21] <elite101> it just dies outta no where
[07:21] <elite101> yes im getting a p4-900Mhz duron Sony Vaio
[07:21] <elite101> :D lol
[07:21] <danny500> I'm getting a AMD Athlon X2 5000+ 3GHz Dual core soon :D
[07:21] <elite101> instead of my p3-AMD-k6 lol im getting the p4 free then im buying a Core 2 dou intel:e6750 2.66Ghz
[07:22] <elite101> o/C to 3.2Ghz
[07:22] <elite101> :P
[07:22] <danny500> MAD Athlon X2 5000+ 3GHz Dual Core 2GB DDR2 RAM 320Sata II HDD for $399 :D:D:D
[07:22] <elite101> Gigabyte MOBO/Nvidia-8800/4gb DDR2800(1gb each) and some wacked out Case
[07:22] <danny500> AMD*
[07:23] <elite101> 400$^
[07:23] <elite101> with out GRFX card
[07:23] <elite101> :P
[07:23] <elite101> grfx card=700$+
[07:23] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[07:23] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:23] <elite101> or i can just buy a gixxer :D for school
[07:23] <elite101> sorry*
[07:24] <elite101> ahhh i got lag!!!!
[07:24] <danny500> My graphics card right now, PNY 768 GDDR3 at 139GB/s for $859 ;)
[07:24] <elite101> lol only 139gbps?
[07:24] <elite101> thats lowend i gotta a GPU of 2.4Ghz
[07:24] <danny500> thats the fastest consumer card on the planet lol
[07:24] <elite101> :D
[07:25] <danny500> thats its transfer rate -_-
[07:25] <TunaTom> danny500: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/476
[07:25] <danny500> ok thanks
[07:25] <elite101> Kubuntu is letting me run my ;Nvidia 9900 ExTRemE GPU:3.0Ghz RAM: 4GB-DDR3 1666Mhz(500Gbps)
[07:25] <elite101> :P
[07:26] <danny500> O_O HTF did you get it that fast?
[07:26] <elite101> wait about a month that card will comeout
[07:26] <elite101> :D
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> actually nvidia seems to be milking out the 8800 line for a LONG time...
[07:26] <Tm_T> I feel repeating
[07:26] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[07:26] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> little bitty improvements here and there.
[07:26] <elite101> yeah
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> They know they got a lead. and its profit here.. :) so why push somthing that competes against theirself.
[07:27] <elite101> hey im at the library im going to ask what therer going to do with there 3.0Ghz p4's they hav sitting around
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> I got a low end 8800 right now. Not put ubuntu on this box yet.
[07:27] <elite101> :D
[07:27] <elite101> i might score one
[07:27] <Tm_T> please, do move your offtopic chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:28] <danny500> is it a Geforce?
[07:28] <elite101> is a 3.0Ghz p4 fast?
[07:28] <elite101> for kubuntu
[07:28] <llutz> fast enough
[07:28] <elite101> well i might score one from the library im here rite now
[07:28] <hcbox> is it possible to migrate frome debian to ubuntu without any disk
[07:29] <elite101> they have them sitting around they not using them
[07:29] <danny500> what kind of fast are you talking about? :P
[07:29] <elite101> lol i was asking cuz it would be offtopic >.<
[07:29] <danny500> hcbox, install the ubuntu desktop
[07:29] <danny500> thats it
[07:29] <elite101> if i said with out kubunt
[07:29] <hcbox> as apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ... is it so easy...
[07:29] <elite101> kubuntu*
[07:29] <elite101> mhm
[07:30] <tid-wave> hello. I can't change the MAC address of my NIC in the configuration file(/etc/network/interfaces). If I manually change it with ifconfig eth2 hw ether xx:xx... it works but if I put the mac addr in the interfaces file it doesn't get set at boot. What should I do ?
[07:30] <TunaTom> dann500: Is there ubuntu-desktop in debian?
[07:30] <danny500> I'm not sure but that might work, try it
[07:30] <elite101> www.goodbye-microsoft.com
[07:30] <elite101> :P
[07:30] <danny500> use your package manager
[07:30] <elite101> installs using windows
[07:30] <elite101> NTFS
[07:30] <LjL> kubuntu won't run well without a quadcode with 3 gigs of ram unfortunately, but you can try with DSL running under VMWare running under WINE running under Xubuntu, it's lighter
[07:30] <elite101> well i gotta
[07:30] <elite101> bye
[07:30] <danny500> I know in Ubuntu I can switch to Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and all the other buntu using the package manager
[07:31] <jhutchins> LjL: You are talking through your hat.
[07:31] <XboxUser> Can anyone help me install this? http://www.freebyte.com/linux/libraries/ dunno what to do :( I need that for hjsplit
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> switch with the package manager?  I just pick what one to use from the Login screen. :)
[07:32] <LjL> jhutchins: it's im afraid of the pollution
[07:32] <danny500> XboxUser: ./configer; make; make install
[07:32] <llutz> tid-wave:put a script to change in /etc/network/pre-up.d
[07:32] <llutz>  /etc/network/if-pre-up.d   sry
[07:33] <TunaTom> XboxUser: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[07:34] <Jucato> !compile | XboxUser
[07:34] <ubotu> XboxUser: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:34] <genii> XboxUser: sudo ./configure it should have been in what danny suggested. You may also nned to put sudo in front of the next 2 commands as well. First also you should have the packages Tunatom suggests
[07:34] <TunaTom> XboxUser: Do you know how to use the console?
[07:34] <tid-wave> llutz: thank you for the tip
[07:35] <danny500> download the file. Open terminal, click and drag the configure file into the terminal then when it's done going through that type make and press enter, after that type make install and press enter, Then you should be good.
[07:36] <danny500> elite
[07:36] <Jucato> genii: sudo ./configure? sudo make? O.o
[07:37] <drewcipher_> Jucato: I thought sudo was only needed for        make install
[07:37] <llutz> no need for sudo with configure/make and never install with "make install"
[07:37] <Jucato> it is..
[07:37] <llutz> use checkinstall
[07:37] <XboxUser> bah im still sooo confused
[07:37] <genii> Jucato: Damn. Obviously i need some more coffee. these nights with 4 hours sleep are killing my brain
[07:37] <Jucato> and with the proper setup, no need for sudo make install either...
[07:37] <TunaTom> XboxUser: Ever used the console?
[07:38] <XboxUser> yep
[07:38] <stuq> could someone tell me how to eliminate strigidaemon from startup?
[07:38] <TunaTom> Did you download that file?
[07:38] <XboxUser> not very familiar with the commands yet though :(
[07:38] <stuq> I'm not seeing it in session manager
[07:38] <XboxUser> yep
[07:38] <TunaTom> Did you unpack it?
[07:38] <Jucato> a proper ./configure --prefix is preferred over checkinstall...
[07:38] <XboxUser> yep
[07:39] <stdin> dh_make is even better
[07:39] <Jucato> XboxUser: did you read the CompilingSoftware guide?
[07:39] <danny500> kudos on what Jucato said
[07:39] <TunaTom> XboxUser: In the console go to the new directory.
[07:39] <TunaTom> XboxUser: There you type:
[07:39] <XboxUser> done
[07:39] <llutz> Jucato: use both, always better to have a bad .deb than just install without package-system
[07:39] <TunaTom> ./configure
[07:39] <TunaTom> XboxUser: Then a lot of stuff should scroll by.
[07:40] <Jucato> better to have a bad nothing :)
[07:40] <XboxUser> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[07:40] <danny500> XboxUser: /home/username/directory/configure
[07:40] <danny500> then  make
[07:40] <danny500> then make install
[07:40] <TunaTom> danny500: You're too fast
[07:41] <danny500> lol sorry
[07:41] <TunaTom> XboxUser: You are in the wrong directory. What does the command ls say?
[07:41] <llutz> Jucato: just to avoid trouble when updating/removing etc. i prefer to use .debs
[07:42] <z1pp3r> I have an application running on a machine with dual cpu's (not just dual-core). However, the said application only uses one of the cpu's. What gives?
[07:42] <Jucato> llutz: removing is easy. again with the proper setup. updating is even messier with debs vs. repository packages
[07:43] <Jucato> with the proper --prefix and setup, no matter how many times your system updates the packages, it will still use your compiled app
[07:43] <TunaTom> XboxUser: Dont. Here's help.
[07:44] <danny500> XboxUser. You learn how to use Linux that'l open up alot of stuff for you
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> I would give out some snide comment.. :) but i will restrain myself.
[07:44] <danny500> Windows = Games, Linux= GOD
[07:44] <danny500> -_o
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> oops.. wid i say that in my outside voice..
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:45] <danny500> hehe
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My darn new PC has a 'fan rattle/whine' when the cpu hits 100%
[07:45] <danny500> I only have one problem with Linux and thats some times you get a crappy install and sometimes you don't
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> every time i see someone blame 'linux' its not 'linux;s' problem   - its the decsions the disrto makers do thats that is the problem. :)
[07:46] <danny500> yup
[07:46] <danny500> WHO TOOK ZSNES OFF THE PACKAGE MANAGERS?
[07:46] <Jucato> !caps
[07:46] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:46] <danny500> sorry
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> danny500 using the 64bit disrto?
[07:46] <danny500> 32
[07:46] <Jucato> danny500: no one did
[07:46] <Jucato> !info zsnes
[07:47] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> zsnes is 32 bit only. it was in the packages yesterday
[07:47] <danny500> well it's not there anymore :(
[07:47] <Jucato> !info zsnes gutsy
[07:47] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.510-1 (gutsy), package size 878 kB, installed size 4060 kB (Only available for i386)
[07:47] <Jucato> still there
[07:47] <danny500> I have feisty fawn
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> BEBKAC
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> oops.. Pebkac.
[07:47] <Jucato> still there, in both
[07:47] <danny500> hmmm, thats weird.
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> check ya sources?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> apt-get update, upgrade, try again
[07:47] <danny500> It doesn't show up on my installers
[07:47] <danny500> I have all the sources installed
[07:48] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install zsnes
[07:48] <danny500> well even still. With my installers on strike right now and all haha
[07:48] <danny500> sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[07:49] <Jucato> oh yeah.. messed up filesystem?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> is this back to the chmod 00007 fiasco?
[07:49] <danny500> I guess
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> good luck. :)
[07:50] <Netkiller3714> ok how would I fix this problem anyways?
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> fix your chmod 0007  issue?
[07:50] <Netkiller3714> I'm thinking theres a problem with the /etc/sudoers
[07:50] <Netkiller3714> ya that to, I think me going sudo chmod 00007 / started it all
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> id bet its an issue with the permissions you just set on etc
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> and everything else in /
[07:51] <Netkiller3714> ok how do I set normal permissions?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> boot a live cd, see what perms it has on / stuff, then go to the mounted installed system and chmod them all back the way they should be.
[07:51] <CBZ32> He yall
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> drwxr-xr-x 132 root root 12288 2007-09-19 10:48 etc
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  4096 2007-08-14 02:21 home
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> are the 2 main dirs of impiorntance.
[07:52] <Netkiller3714> bash: drwxr-xr-x: command not found
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> most of the dirs in / are that way.
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> Netkiller3714 now is when you should learn some bash basics. I think
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> ls -l
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> shows all teh dirs/permissions
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> which i bet for yours are like -----------x
[07:53] <Netkiller3714> want me to pastebin it?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> not really. : ) i m  Out of here in 3 min anyway.
[07:53] <Netkiller3714> :(
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> you used the chmod command to mess them up. use it to fix the dirs
[07:54] <Netkiller3714> ok
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> sudo chmod SOMTHING /etc
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> Logical thinking  :)
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> assuming it even lets you chmod them back
[07:55] <Netkiller3714> nope
[07:55] <Netkiller3714> permission denied :@
[07:55] <Netkiller3714> I think I might need to reinstall O_O
[07:56] <Netkiller3714> !pastebin
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> windows user mentliyty!
[07:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:56] <Netkiller3714> pastebin!
[07:56] <Netkiller3714> wtf?
[07:56] <Netkiller3714> oh lol
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> or like i said.. use a live cd.,  mount your / then chmod the dirs.
[07:56] <Jucato> (one by one :P)
[07:56] <Netkiller3714> yay
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> yep :)
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> or cheat and use mc.
[07:57] <Netkiller3714> mc?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> !mc
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> !info mc
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> The ultimate filemanger.
[07:57] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Or just reinstall.. will proberly be faster for you. :)
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> then read some bash starter guides over the weekend.
[07:57] <Netkiller3714> haha ok
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> dare i even ASK where/how you learned of 'chmod 00007 /'   ??
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> who gave it that name bash?
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> around
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> here lol
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> I bet they are all laughing at you :)
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> I think I added to many 0's
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> i cant even think of a use for 0007
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> I think it should be 0007
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> lol thats it
[07:58] <Netkiller3714> 0007
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> now 777 makes more sence.. its just as BAD.. but not as bad as 0007
[07:59] <Netkiller3714> what does 0007 do anyways lol
[07:59] <slackern> Netkiller3714: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash
[07:59] <runlevelten> that's classified.
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> rember what i said earlier about learning some bash basics? :)
[07:59] <poison--> error while trying to axx linux share with samba: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[07:59] <poison--> any ideas?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> man chmod
[08:00] <Netkiller3714> ok
[08:00] <drewcipher_> lutz:  (delayed reaction)  regarding never install with "make install", what is the preferred method?
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> for a start. and theres a lot of bash/shell starter guides out. because anytying we say.. will leade you to ask.. ok what does 'executable' mean.. what does... whatever mean...
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> 'whats a shell' heh.. wheres the tab key? whats a !
[08:00] <jhutchins> !info flexbackup
[08:00] <ubotu> flexbackup: Flexible backup tool for small to medium sized installations. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.1-5ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 76 kB, installed size 332 kB
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> :) and its time for me to go to work. good luck.
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> byee
[08:00] <Netkiller3714> wheres the "any" key?
[08:01] <Netkiller3714> I just got the joke about Dr Willis
[08:01] <Netkiller3714> nvm
[08:01] <runlevelten> Netkiller3714: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond
[08:01] <Netkiller3714> does anyone know where the any key is?
[08:03] <runlevelten> It's the one with a bendy arrow on.
[08:03] <poison--> its a combined use of keys
[08:03] <poison--> usually Ctrl+Alt+Del
[08:03] <poison--> :D
[08:03] <Netkiller3714> lol a n y at the same time haha
[08:04] <Netkiller3714> thats weird.
[08:04] <Netkiller3714> everytime I press a n y at the same time I always get yna
[08:05] <Netkiller3714> yna
[08:05] <Netkiller3714> yna
[08:05] <Netkiller3714> see
[08:09] <poison--> anyone knows a cool app to add/remove users?
[08:09] <poison--> the default one crashes all the time
[08:10] <Daskreech2> So cool it will get you dates?
[08:11] <jhutchins> poison--: useradd/adduser
[08:11] <Daskreech2>  I've never heard of adding and removing users from a system as "cool" :)
[08:11] <jhutchins> poison--: You probably need to figure out the crash though.
[08:11] <Jucato> poison--: kuser
[08:12] <Jucato> but jhutchins is right
[08:12] <poison--> nice
[08:12] <poison--> ty
[08:18] <poison--> didnt work fine... cant create folders 4 passwd ans stuff
[08:21] <paolo>  "Interface doesn't have a list of Peers/Access-Points"
[08:21] <paolo> [20:20]  <paolo> this is what i see with iwlist
[08:21] <paolo> how can i solve?
[08:22] <dASkreech> iwlist scan
[08:40] <GuHhH> i need some help... im trying to remove some packages with dpkg --purge, but it says  it has dependencies... --force do not solves the problem
[08:45] <JuJuBee> got weird behavior shutting down. If I use the Turn Off button my computer does not shut down, the monitor turns off  but the computer stays on.  If I use sudo shutdown now all is good. ?
[08:45] <JuJuBee> Same for restart
[08:45] <slapfaceware> is there kde4?
[08:45] <slapfaceware> can i run kde4 in kubuntu
[08:47] <slapfaceware> is there kde4 in pository
[08:47] <emilsedgh> slapfaceware: thats in feisty-backports
[08:47] <dASkreech> !topic | slapfaceware
[08:47] <ubotu> slapfaceware: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[08:47] <stdin> slapfaceware: I see you don't read the topic...
[08:48] <slapfaceware> topic? what's that
[08:48] <stdin> slapfaceware:  ubotu just told you
[08:49] <TunaTom> Why should anyone want to know how much shared memory a given process uses?
[08:50] <dASkreech> TunaTom: Profiling?
[08:51] <TunaTom> dASkreech: That's why ps, top, htop and ksysguard all show that by default?
[08:51] <TunaTom> I can't think of an practical use that value could give me in my day to day work.
[08:52] <dASkreech> So take it out
[08:52] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: a frequent use of ksysguard is to kill programs that have run out of control :)
[08:53] <dASkreech> Oh right JohnFlux should know :)
[08:53] <TunaTom> Okay, but do you use the value of "Shared Memory" as criterion for which process to kill?
[08:54] <TunaTom> Does something like a "shared memory leak" exist?
[08:54] <TunaTom> Too offtopic?
[08:55] <dASkreech> Not yet but getting there
[08:55] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: I think you often want to see what programs are using up all your memory
[08:55] <dASkreech> shared memory can be used as criteria for killing I suspect
[08:55] <paymun> hi im new to linux and im updating everything with /adept updater but I got this pop up Debconf, Services to restart for PAM library upgrade: kdm cupsys cron atd when i press next i goto a black screen i dunno what to do
[08:55] <Black_Monkey> hi, what can I get to see the sizes of a load of a long list of folders?
[08:56] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: especially when you are very low on memory :)
[08:56] <dASkreech> if something is using a lot of memory but most of it is shared then killing it doesn't really affect your overall profile
[08:56] <stdin> paymun: you should remove kdm from that list
[08:56] <paymun> stdin kdm from the list in the updates?
[08:57] <TunaTom> dASkreech: You mean "Memory" inkludes "Shared Memory"?
[08:57] <stdin> paymun: from the list "kdm cupsys cron atd" remove "kdm"
[08:57] <martijn81> what is the best way to learn xml?
[08:57] <paymun> ok thx
[08:57] <dASkreech> TunaTom: Really should ask JohnFlux :)
[08:58] <dASkreech> martijn81: Practice
[08:58] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/krunner_systemactivity1.png
[08:58] <Squirrely_Wrath> Okay, total noob question.   How do I save changes that I made using nano?
[08:58] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: these are the columns in kde4
[08:58] <dASkreech> Squirrely_Wrath: There is a menu at the bottom of the screen
[08:58] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: an old screenshot (it's a bit more pretty now) but same columns remain
[08:58] <Squirrely_Wrath> Yes, but no save option in the menu
[08:58] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: I am currently writing the documentation for that ver program.
[08:59] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: for kde4?
[08:59] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: ah very neat
[08:59] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: thank you :)
[08:59] <TunaTom> No, thank you :)
[08:59] <paymun> oh sweet stdin ::
[09:01] <slapfaceware> anyone running kde4
[09:01] <TunaTom> sure
[09:01] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: I think the best you can say is that Memory is the memory that the program uniquely uses
[09:01] <Squirrely_Wrath> so...anyone tell me the shortcut for saving changes in nano?  No save option on the bottom portion of the screen.
[09:01] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: Shared Memory is the memory that can be shared among other programs
[09:02] <nzk> Argh, why won't Liferea open!? I open it in KDE Ubuntu 7.04, and it shows the little loading thing next to the pointer, then vanishes, without a trace. Doesn't open.
[09:02] <TunaTom> I just got a very nice answer in ##linux, but thanks anyway.
[09:02] <JohnFlux> Squirrely_Wrath: ctrl+x  and quit ? :)
[09:02] <JohnFlux> Squirrely_Wrath: that will ask if you want to save
[09:02] <Squirrely_Wrath> Ah, thanks john
[09:02] <Black_Monkey> what's the name of that program which shows squares representing the sizes of all the files/folders inside a folder?
[09:02] <Jucato> Black_Monkey: Konqueror. View menu -> View mode -> File Size View
[09:03] <Black_Monkey> >_< ahh, didn't realise konqueror does it, thanks Jucato
[09:04] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: I just learned that shared memory can be misused as every other memory, too.
[09:04] <TunaTom> So memory leaks can affect shared memory as well.
[09:04] <TunaTom> And the "Memory" value inkludes "Shared Memory"
[09:05] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: no it doesn't :-D
[09:05] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: where did you read that? :)
[09:05] <TunaTom> I understood it from what the guys in ##linux told me.
[09:05] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: the Memory column is smarter than top or kde3
[09:05] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: it's not the RSS value that you get in top or kde3 ksysguard
[09:06] <TunaTom> So? What does the memory column show?
[09:06] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: it shows the actual physical memory used by that app, not including shared libraries
[09:07] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: aka URSS - unique RSS
[09:07] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: look at the screenshot:  http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/krunner_systemactivity1.png   you can see for some apps, the shared memory is higher than memory
[09:07] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: the memory column is the best way to judge how much memory an app is using
[09:08] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: Damn, I could have seen that on my own screen !
[09:08] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: top and kde3 ksysguard show useless numbers
[09:08] <JohnFlux> and lie to you :-)
[09:08] <ubuntu_> testing...
[09:08] <JohnFlux> ubuntu_: didn't work
[09:08] <progress0r> im having a weird problem with video - i can only play video from the web or dvd using mplayer (command line) or maybe one other media app. The others (gstreamer/totem etc) display the video as smashed together vertically. somewhat difficult to explain.Anyone had this happen?
[09:09] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: You have deep insight into the workings of the System Activity tool. How come?
[09:09] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: I wrote it
[09:09] <TunaTom> No
[09:09] <JohnFlux> lol
[09:09] <TunaTom> Cool, first time for me to meet an actual kde dev!
[09:09] <JohnFlux> lol
[09:10] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: you can read all about me :-D http://www.behindkde.org/people/johnflux/?language=en
[09:11] <Riddell> he's famous is oor JohnFlux
[09:11] <JohnFlux> Riddell: btw, I told you that the kde4 release date would be pushed back :-D  I win!
[09:12] <TunaTom> But in one question remains: Why then should I want to see that value?
[09:13] <NAZ87> Anyone would please help me with pppoe internet connection?
[09:14] <Tm_T> Riddell sir, welcome back
[09:14] <TunaTom> I have to leave. Thanks JohnFlux. Can I ask some more tomorrow?
[09:14] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: sure
[09:14] <JohnFlux> TunaTom: i'm always around
[09:14] <JohnFlux> :-D
[09:15] <TunaTom> :)
[09:16] <jhutchins> Like we're going to limit answers to one day.
[09:16] <jhutchins> NAZ87: This isn't your first time on, is it.
[09:16] <jhutchins> NAZ87: What's the problem?
[09:17] <NAZ87> yes, it is my first time here
[09:17] <NAZ87> maybe is better going in private?
[09:18] <NAZ87> jhutchins, i'm sorry for my English...
[09:20] <dASkreech> NAZ87: No answers are always better in the open
[09:21] <NAZ87> ok, ok
[09:21] <NAZ87> so...
[09:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: I'm not back anywhere, still in Tenerife (also I'm yet to be offered a knighthood)
[09:21] <NAZ87> i don't exactly know how to connect properly my pc on the Net...
[09:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, so sorry sir, my mistake
[09:21] <Riddell> don't hide!  just stop calling me sir
[09:21] <NAZ87> i have a Ethernet modem
[09:22] <Riddell> JohnFlux: did I doubt you?
[09:22] <ScorpKing> NAZ87: model? make?
[09:22] <NAZ87> and I use to connect it by typing "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[09:23] <NAZ87> and then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking start"
[09:23] <NAZ87> ... and it works, because i configured the modem with pppoe conf, but...
[09:23] <paolo_> i'm still fighting with my wi-fi nic. drivers seem correctly installed, but iwconfig says " Access Point: Not-Associated" what should i do? thniks
[09:23] <JohnFlux> Riddell: i don't think so :-D
[09:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, sir!
[09:23] <JohnFlux> Riddell: but uh I win anyway
[09:24] <NAZ87> first of all: the automatic connection at startup doesn't work
[09:25] <NAZ87> and, i wish i could connect my pc using a graphical application
[09:26] <NAZ87> in my Kubuntu 7.04 there is Knetwork manager but it seems to be "under" the command "networking-start"
[09:26] <NAZ87> and i don't know how to use it  well
[09:26] <NAZ87> any suggestion?
[09:27] <ScorpKing> NAZ87: the command you always used should work. check your cable and whatever you get dhcp from.
[09:28] <jhutchins> NAZ87: I'll see what answers you get from people familiar with the GUI before I recommend diald.
[09:28] <jhutchins> I seem to remember a pppoe specific package from a few years ago, non-gui also.
[09:29] <ScorpKing> jhutchins: how does diald work on eth0? that should be straight forward networking right?
[09:29] <NAZ87> SkorpKing:the command actually works... but why does the auto-connection at startup doesn't?
[09:29] <ScorpKing> NAZ87: not sure. is there anything in the logs maybe?
[09:29] <jhutchins> diald looks for attempts to route over a defined connection and brings up that connection on demand.  It's meant to work with dial-up ppp, but works fine with pppoe.
[09:30] <centermedia> hello
[09:30] <umformer> hi all
[09:30] <centermedia> oi
[09:30] <centermedia> hi
[09:30] <jhutchins> NAZ87: I suppose you could add the command to rc.local
[09:30] <NAZ87> SkorpKing: don't call me stupid, but... what logs?
[09:30] <ScorpKing> jhutchins: i see. :)
[09:31] <umformer> first time using irc
[09:31] <jhutchins> NAZ87: Main log is /var/log/messages, but ppp usually has it's own logs as well.
[09:31] <centermedia> what skeaking portugues
[09:31] <centermedia> alguem fala portugues
[09:31] <NAZ87> ok...
[09:31] <ScorpKing> NAZ87: very few people are stupid. they're just uneducated.
[09:31] <jhutchins> !pt | centermedia
[09:31] <ubotu> centermedia: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:31] <jhutchins> Nah, plenty of people are stupid, but not too many make it here!
[09:32] <NAZ87> the fact is that i cannot really know when my pc is connected and when is not...
[09:32] <ScorpKing> lol
[09:32] <centermedia> #ubuntu-pt
[09:32] <jhutchins> NAZ87: We presume that if you're here, you have questions.  That or answering them amuses you.
[09:32] <poison--> centermedia, eu falo
[09:32] <centermedia> ou
[09:32] <jhutchins> NAZ87: Um, there are packages to use the keyboard lights to monitor your connection, and any number of on-screen widgets that will tell you that.
[09:32] <centermedia> blz
[09:32] <umformer> ufff
[09:33] <NAZ87> because the small icon of Knetwork manager always shows that the PC is connected...
[09:33] <umformer> kids ?
[09:33] <centermedia> poison:
[09:33] <poison--> fala
[09:33] <umformer> ok
[09:33] <centermedia> vc saca de servidores em linux:] 
[09:33] <jhutchins> NAZ87: You need to set it to monitor the ppp connection, because it's showing the ethernet connection, which is always up.
[09:33] <NAZ87> but sometimes i lost the connection (and i don't know if it's a network problem or a problem of my PC)
[09:34] <centermedia> sou ranso no merda do ruindos, to querendo migrar pros sistemas livres
[09:34] <centermedia> mas to meio sem um comeo
[09:34] <jhutchins> NAZ87: Dropped connections are just part of ppp.
[09:34] <poison--> entra no ubuntu-pt
[09:35] <NAZ87> jhutchins: when i type the "stop" command in the shell, the icon shows that the connection is broken...
[09:36] <centermedia> blz
[09:36] <NAZ87> but i have to think it shows the ETHernet connection
[09:37] <pagan0ne> can someone help me with serial ports in virtualbox, or direct me to where i can get help
[09:39] <jhutchins> NAZ87: You should be able to set up a "check ping" or "test ping" to monitor the connection, and set it to reconnect if it drops.
[09:39] <jhutchins> pagan0ne: #virtualbox?
[09:39] <pagan0ne> jhutchins: was there, channel was empty?
[09:40] <jhutchins> pagan0ne: You'll probably have to try the forums/mailing list then.
[09:40] <NAZ87> jhutchins: good idea, but i'm sorry i don't think i'm able to do that...
[09:40] <NAZ87> do i have to build a script?
[09:40] <jhutchins> NAZ87: I don't have the gui stuff, but it seems to me that kppp does that.
[09:40] <pagan0ne> jhutchins: no no that cant be :( oh well, ill try there unless someone else has some idea how to configure VBox to pass through serial port connections to the hardware
[09:40] <NAZ87> or maybe a bash command?
[09:42] <NAZ87> jhutchins: I have kppp installed but i think it's only for dial-up connections
[09:42] <NAZ87> i mean: in the program description is written that it works with dial-up connection
[09:42] <jhutchins> NAZ87: I think it will also work with pppoe, because it works for pptp/vpn.
[09:43] <NAZ87> jhutchins: ok, thanks, i will try (not now because i have to go...)
[09:43] <jhutchins> also take a look at the docs for pppd.
[09:44] <NAZ87> jhutchins: where can i find them?
[09:44] <jhutchins> man pppd, # pppd in konq
[09:46] <NAZ87> jhutchins: ok thanks, very kind of you... now i have to go, i'm going to try with kppp tomorrow
[09:46] <NAZ87> see you here!!!
[09:46] <NAZ87> bye bye everybody
[09:46] <NAZ87>  (and sorry for my bad English) ;)
[09:48] <poison--> now im getting really crazy with smb
[09:48] <poison--> im able to axx the linux share but after i getinto the folder, it says folder doesnt exist
[09:48] <poison--> lmao
[09:51] <pagan0ne> anyone know how i can get a listing of what serial ports ubuntu reconizes on my system, and what hardware is attached to those ports?
[09:52] <parsnip> hi all
[09:53] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you can't probe serial ports for hardware
[09:54] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: there's no standard for sending such questions to anything attached to the serial port
[09:54] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: that sucks, so theres no way to know what i have connected to ttyS2 and ttyS3 just from the software? to see if they are even talking to the hardware?
[09:54] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you can view the raw data
[09:54] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: cat /dev/ttyS2
[09:55] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: ill try that, thanks
[09:55] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: is there even any way to tell IF sompthing is connected?
[09:55] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: none
[09:55] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: the serial port is the most basic port.  It's just a bunch of data lines
[09:56] <JohnFlux> uh opps
[09:56] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: lol, i figured as much, but was hoping that i could atleast get software to tell me SOMPTHING was connected...
[09:56] <boubbin> is it possible to "boot" ubuntu with "/" not mounted ?
[09:56] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: it's just a bunch of data lines with a chip that talks the standard protocol RS232
[09:57] <parsnip> Is there any way to make apt-get automatically download dependancies without me having to say yes to download them
[09:57] <JohnFlux> boubbin: sure - you have a filesystem rolled into boot files
[09:57] <boubbin> :)
[09:57] <JohnFlux> boubbin: called an initrd - - initial ram disk
[09:57] <boubbin> i need to resize the / partition
[09:58] <JohnFlux> boubbin: I would just boot of a knoppix disk then
[09:58] <JohnFlux> and use the gui resize tools on that
[09:58] <boubbin> yeah
[09:58] <JohnFlux> boubbin: but it is totally doable from the initrd
[09:58] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: well say i had a bin file i needed to flash to a device, in windows the manufacturer provides a spefic utility to flash it with, and regular bin updates, however under ubuntu, the software wont run in wine, and i cant get the serial ports to pass through to a VM, is there any other way to try to flash the device? im not worried about bricking it....
[09:58] <JohnFlux> boubbin: but I'm not sure if it includes a resize util
[09:58] <JohnFlux> boubbin: it's kept very small, for obvious reasons
[09:58] <boubbin> livecd is fine
[09:59] <boubbin> JohnFlux it has apt-get :P
[10:00] <JohnFlux> boubbin: I meant the initrd
[10:00] <boubbin> ok nice
[10:00] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: can you do "cat /dev/ttyS3"  or does it give an error?
[10:00] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: read/write error
[10:01] <pagan0ne> pagan0ne: i beleave the device needs to be in a certin state to attempt the flash though, right after a hard reboot the device i beleave is ready to be flashed, havent tried cat'ing it then
[10:02] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne:  it will be near impossible to do from linux.  you don't know what speed to talk to it even
[10:02] <poison--> how can i make a file to alow read/write/executable?
[10:02] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you don't know the parity to use, and so on
[10:03] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: if i could find out speed and parity info would that help?
[10:03] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: not really
[10:03] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you still don't know the command to put it in the correct mode
[10:03] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne:  well
[10:03] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: if you are interested, you can attach a listener to the serial port, in windows, inside a VM
[10:04] <soon> Any suggestions where I might get a FULL Openoffice package for my AMD64 based Kubuntu??
[10:04] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: then write down what it sends to the data port
[10:04] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: well asfar as communicating with the device, there's a chance i could get in touch with a developer for it, and get that kind of info,
[10:04] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: then replicate that in linux.  it will probably only be a few characters
[10:04] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you can run the windows program in vmware, and see what it sets the serial port to
[10:06] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: stupid question...
[10:06] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: have you enabled serial ports in the bios
[10:06] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: that shouldnt be a problem, what program under linux would i use to set the mode, open the port, and transfer the bin
[10:06] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: that would be what is preventing you from passing the serial ports to vmware
[10:06] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: yeah, serial ports are enabled under bios, when i dual boot, windows sees them fine
[10:06] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: windows enables them and overrides the bios
[10:06] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: linux doesn't
[10:07] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: might want to double check your bios settings
[10:07] <genii> poison--: chmod XX   where XX is +x or +r or +w    or -x -r or -w
[10:07] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: if windows is doing that, it would be the first time ive seen it, ill double check, but im 99% sure its enabled
[10:08] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: it's well known that IBM etc laptops disable the bios ports in the bios for some reason
[10:09] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: so that they work in windows (which turns them back on) but not in linux
[10:09] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: custom built rig, with a gigabit mobo
[10:09] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: one problem that I also had once..
[10:09] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: turned out that a braille driver auto attaches to the serial port
[10:10] <pagan0ne> ill make sure thats off, thanks for the heads up there
[10:10] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: I had to rmmod it
[10:10] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you need to get to the state where cat /proc/ttyS2  doesn't give errors
[10:10] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: that means linux can't see it
[10:11] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you can try:   cat /proc/tty/driver/serial
[10:11] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: ok,. ill see what i can do... maby it is a bios issue
[10:11] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: that will sure you if it at least sees the UART
[10:11] <JohnFlux> the UART is the chip that does the RS232 talk
[10:11] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: good luck
[10:12] <pagan0ne> when i cat /proc/tty/driver/serial i get 5 lines of text back, what am i looking for?
[10:12] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: 0: uart:16550A port:000003F8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0  ?? that means it sees it right?
[10:13] <poison--> ty genii
[10:13] <mbox> hi
[10:13] <poison--> still cant write nfo with smb on smb4k.lock :(
[10:13] <poison--> root@takedown:~# ls -l /var/lock/
[10:14] <mbox> is there a way, that after "unrar -x file.rar" the rar files get deleted if it got extracet OK?
[10:14] <poison--> total 4
[10:14] <poison--> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 835 2007-09-19 17:00 smb4k.lock
[10:14] <poison--> anitin wrong there?
[10:14] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: on ttyS0 only
[10:15] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: you want it presumably on ttyS3 etc
[10:15] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: ok, well ttyS0 isnt listed in /dev
[10:15] <dASkreech> poison--: Hmm? Permissions?
[10:15] <poison--> yeap
[10:15] <dASkreech> soon: What is Full ?
[10:15] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: oh hmm
[10:15] <JohnFlux> pagan0ne: i don't know
[10:15] <JohnFlux> ;)
[10:15] <poison--> think im gonna reinstall smb
[10:16] <soon> The package provided by Ubuntu does not include all, of the original OOo packages as far as I can tell
[10:16] <soon> I think I found the deb files here though : http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m228/Build-1/
[10:16] <GuHhH> my apache always points to the same page, even if i use differents virtualhosts at different dirs... help please! apache2ctl -S -> http://apache.pastebin.ca/703753
[10:16] <pagan0ne> JohnFlux: any reason it wouldnt be listed? it starts at ttyS2
[10:16] <dASkreech> mbox: && rm file.rar
[10:17] <dASkreech> soon: What is missing?
[10:17] <dASkreech> hi ompaul
[10:18] <mbox> dASkreech: yeah but then i have to retype the filename everytime ... is thought more of a parameter ... man page does not help me ;(
[10:18] <soon> Im not exactly sure - I've uninstalled the Ubuntu package
[10:19] <ompaul> dASkreech, hi
[10:19] <poison--> brb
[10:19] <dASkreech> mbox: bash as a thing where you can reuse the last parameter
[10:20] <mbox> kkthx
[10:21] <dASkreech> mbox: try && rm !$
[10:23] <_osh> If I upload something through frost, the uploaded file does have some overhead put into persistent-temp, right? So how much does a file grow by?
[10:24] <_osh> If I want to upload 1GB, how much extra space do I need to convert and start the upload? 20% 50%?
[10:24] <_osh> Argh. Wrong channel.
[10:27] <flake> Hi, I just installed a SB Audigy SE for cheap, it works great after setting it as the default sound card
[10:28] <flake> I tried to play wolf et while having my music playing, but the sound is muted in ET.  Is there a way I can do both
[10:28] <flake> vlc is playing the music
[10:33] <dASkreech> !keys
[10:33] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[10:43] <newbie> hi
[10:43] <newbie> does anyone know how to set up a webcam in linux
[10:43] <newbie> I have a logitech  quickcam pro 3000
[10:43] <newbie> and it doesnt seem to work
[10:43] <stdin> !webcam
[10:43] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:48] <DaSkreech> lo
[10:50] <dennis__> errr
[10:51] <dennis__> so who wants to walk me through this 3D problem with ATI
[10:52] <CappinItrebal> I'm trying to configure a printer to be shared via CUPs within my local network, but I can't actually log into the System Administrator's "Print Server" -> "Configure Server" dialoge ; I've added my user to the lpadmin group (the SystemGroup directive in my CUPS config file) and I still can't access it, I also gave root a password and tried that, but to no avail
[10:54] <jhutchins> CappinItrebal: 	http://tinyurl.com/3csnpd
[10:55] <CappinItrebal> aye, thanks
[10:56] <CappinItrebal> yarr, *tosses jhutchins a dabloon - talklikeapirate.com )
[10:57] <DaSkreech> denism_: Which ?
[10:57] <jhutchins> I am a pirate, from a long line of pirates.  My family was in Jamaica when there was no legitimate business in Jamaica.  By definition, the way I talk IS how a pirate talks.
[10:57] <jhutchins> arrrgg.
[10:58] <CappinItrebal> arrrgg
[10:59] <uga> okay... finally this is getting in shape
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Arrrrrr
[10:59] <CappinItrebal> arrg, this isn't working right.. *plays with it a touch more*
[11:00] <uga> now lets recover the home from my old disk
[11:00] <jhutchins> CappinItrebal: If that URL is still valid for Feisty, please let me know.
[11:00] <CappinItrebal> ok
[11:00] <uga> is it possible to hotplug an IDE drive? =)
[11:01] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: course that's actually true for me :)
[11:01] <DaSkreech> replacing politician with pirate but ... close enough
[11:02] <stdin> uga: nay, it not be sommin' yer be wantin' te do
[11:04] <CappinItrebal> aye, jhutchins: its worse - it just freezes now
[11:04] <CappinItrebal> doesn't let me even type in a password
[11:04] <ScorpKing> it's possible but not advised. i got a friend who hotplug his hd when he feels like it.
[11:04] <uga> stdin: I thought the channel was meant to be in english :P
[11:04] <jhutchins> CappinItrebal: arg, sounds like somethin' else be amiss as well.
[11:04] <stdin> it be english, aye
[11:05] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: I used to hot-patch 220 volt theatre lights - but I don't recommend it.
[11:05] <dappermuis> aye stdin, ol peg-leg day!
[11:05] <CappinItrebal> jhutchins: yarr, I'm going to reinstall kubuntu, matey, I've only had it for a few days (haven't done more than an hours work on them) and I've been screwing it up the whole time :P
[11:06] <jhutchins> CappinItrebal: easier to reinstall when it's not three years of settings and customization.
[11:06] <CappinItrebal> yep
[11:06] <CappinItrebal> and I figured if I messed it up this quickly, I'll have bigger problems later on :P
[11:07] <Kein> !adeptfix > Kein
[11:10] <viras> hello everybody
[11:10] <viras> join #compiz-fusion
[11:11] <stdin> viras: any reason?
[11:13] <cloakable> stdin: Because viras says so, apparently.
[11:14] <cloakable> hehe
[11:15] <stdin> to the plank with ye! :p
[11:16] <uga> stdin: I really can't understand how linux support can be so bad on recentish cpu and boards
[11:16] <uga> it took me ages to set this one up
[11:16] <uga> if I had not been using linux since 98, I'd have given up
[11:17] <cloakable> stdin: It wouldn't install :P
[11:17] <cloakable> Debian would. No contest :P
[11:21] <jhutchins> uga: You would think people would notice if they couldn't install it.
[11:21] <jhutchins> ...but no, they go blithely ahead and run it, using it on a daily basis, in offices and homes.
[11:25] <Karti> Hi all, just a quick one, anyone know of some good links/link for tutorials to create login screens and themes etc
[11:25] <uga> jhutchins: oh, they do. I've seen tons of forums commenting on teh bugs I just had
[11:25] <uga> jhutchins: and they aren't new. Rather oldish
[11:25] <uga> yet, unfixed even on the next gen versions
[11:26] <uga> jhutchins: its' not like the distros don't support the hw. It's just the installers are seriously broken
[11:27] <uga> jhutchins: notice it's not hw hard to boot up. Wen XP managed bot
[11:28] <uga> booting, no matter it bein gnew
[11:28] <uga> but the installer was unable to even find an ide cd-rom, where it's booting from
[11:28] <uga> and then the installer tries once and again using stupid framebuffer modes, even in safe graphics modes
[11:29] <jhutchins> You would think with so many people unable to install it without advanced knowledge there would be fewer people using it.
[11:29] <uga> jhutchins: there _are_ fewer peope using it
[11:30] <jhutchins> All going to Vista, are they?
[11:30] <uga> I installed linux on many people's boxes myself. They don't dare installing
[11:30] <uga> jhutchins: no, they hate vista, they use XP
[11:30] <dappermuis> Karti, the best way to learn is to study existing themes :D
[11:31] <jhutchins> uga: Fascinating.  What planet is this on again?
[11:31] <uga> jhutchins: I know it's hard ot make something work on all hw (rather, impossible), but... these bugs got identified and solved this same year
[11:31] <Karti> dappermuis: cheers, I'm generally happy with that but its the location and an idea of where to start,
[11:31] <uga> jhutchins: you ever go outside this channel?
[11:31] <uga> people do use windows, no matter what you think
[11:31] <jhutchins> uga: No, I'm just a bot.
[11:32] <uga> if do you, you sure know most don't ever think about linux
[11:32] <uga> and lots hate vista
[11:32] <uga> its' buggy as hell
[11:32] <dappermuis> Karti, what i've done in the past is to download a theme or whatever from kde-look.org and then try make sense of it - the configuration files generally tend to show locations, etc
[11:33] <uga> jhutchins: so far I've told many friends that they should try newest linux distros and that new machines will run fine
[11:33] <uga> now I don't dare. Really don't
[11:33] <jhutchins> Yep, soon linux will just be a memory and a hobby among old geeks.
[11:33] <DaSkreech> you don't dare?
[11:33] <Karti> dappermuis: Thanks, that where I am currently getting my inspiration from!
[11:33] <dappermuis> sorry to jump in so late, but uga, what new machines don't run linux?
[11:33] <uga> DaSkreech: after seeing myself in pain installing kubuntu? no, I don't
[11:33] <dappermuis> Karti :)
[11:33] <DaSkreech> uga: :)
[11:34] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: Though honestly installing is a pain for most people
[11:34] <DaSkreech> I know people who call the computer Word
[11:34] <uga> dappermuis: get an asus p5k board, plug the CD drive to the IDE, and have fun. No CD-Rom found... and... its' booting from CD!
[11:34] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: Well, some of the questions are a bid hard if you've never done anything but point-and-click
[11:34] <dappermuis> DaSkreech, imho its easier to install kubuntu than windows
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah I've gotten that already/ That was fun
[11:34] <uga> dappermuis: the CD per se is supported, just the drivers aren't properly loaded
[11:35] <DaSkreech> dappermuis: Agreed too
[11:35] <DaSkreech> dappermuis: But we are talking about people who can't install windows either
[11:35] <uga> dappermuis: I had to install XP and dig for info on the net. I haven't installed windows on any of my boxes for the last 5 years
[11:35] <DaSkreech> They can barely install a program
[11:35] <dappermuis> uga, i see - though how often does that really happen? maybe in special cases it does, but im sure that it also happens on windows
[11:35] <dappermuis> SaSkreech, i see :)
[11:35] <jhutchins> Someone who had run linux before, or been around the linux community, might know that Asus boards are not known for good support.  Not even in Windows for that matter.
[11:35] <DaSkreech> The kind of people who you tell to click on next and they call you back after a half hour to ask you which button the Next button on the keyboard is beside
[11:36] <dappermuis> lol
[11:36] <dappermuis> yes, asus is pretty crap on windows
[11:36] <uga> dappermuis: I don't think it's that especial. I'm half sure it happens on any system with sata drives and an ide CD
[11:36] <dappermuis> my mom had countless problems till i told her to get a thinkpad ;)
[11:37] <dappermuis> uga, nope - i've got multiple sata drives and an ide cd drive
[11:37] <dappermuis> relatively old board though
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Anyway
[11:37] <DaSkreech>  Night!
[11:37] <uga> dappermuis: what's strange is the solution... boot option generic.all_generic_ide=1. Do you know what it exactly does?
[11:37] <jhutchins> uga: Yeah, so all those people with sata drives and CD's must be running XP, and only pretending to ask questions here about stuff like ATI video.
[11:37] <uga> loads all IDE modules?
[11:37] <ScorpKing> i had a ASUS P5PE-VM board and it worked fine with kubuntu
[11:37] <uga> jhutchins: sata drives and IDE CDs
[11:37] <jhutchins> Yeah, them.
[11:38] <dappermuis> uga, nope, don't know - but i'm sure google can tell you
[11:38] <mauri> when i download the upgrades, where are they located on the disk before to install them
[11:38] <uga> jhutchins: most don't even know what IDE is when they buy sata boxes ;)
[11:38] <jhutchins> Thousands of people every day.  How sad!
[11:38] <uga> jhutchins: you don't have thousands of people installing linux on a daily basis, anyway ;))
[11:38] <uga> dappermuis: google helps when you can boot the machine and get a network
[11:38] <dappermuis> lol - right
[11:38] <uga> dappermuis: and half the solutions were broken, and nobody on irc could help
[11:39] <uga> out of ... 400 people, nobody had a clue
[11:39] <uga> so... how many people really install linux on those kind of boxes=
[11:39] <uga> answer: nobody
[11:39] <jhutchins> Over 2000 people hit distrowatch's ubuntu page in the last thirty days.  They must be terribly disappointed that they can't install it.
[11:39] <uga> jhutchins: read up there...
[11:39] <uga> if people don't hit those bugs, is because they don't install linux on them
[11:39] <mauri> have the kubuntu a 3d desktop as vista?
[11:39] <uga> and they are pretty popular new boxes
[11:40] <jhutchins> Yeah, linux is doomed allright.
[11:40] <dappermuis> uga, it seems you experienced a problem which isn't too common
[11:40] <jhutchins> Might as well shut the channel down.
[11:40] <uga> jhutchins: dont' act like a jerk, please. I'm just saying that either people go nuts like me, or they don't bother installing linux. Because the bugs exist on new popular boxes
[11:41] <uga> and given half the results in google don't help, I believe they do go nuts
[11:41] <uga> dappermuis: I hope it's not that common, but the machine is ;)
[11:41] <uga> dappermuis: asus boards aren't exactly unpopular
[11:41] <dappermuis> uga, they're not exactly that popular either :)
[11:41] <uga> dappermuis: true that possibly people don't use IDE drives on them
[11:42] <uga> dappermuis: what do people use,... abit? =)
[11:42] <uga> somebody here told me that asus is one of the best supported boards... when I wanted intel ;)
[11:42] <jhutchins> Then again, it could just be that you happened to hit a problem you didn't understand, and it's not something that bothers the millions of other linux users in the world.  Lonely as that may seem, it's likely.
[11:42] <dappermuis> erm, intel boards?
[11:42] <uga> jhutchins: okay, my machine is unique  =)
[11:42] <jhutchins> uga: Coming in here and declaring ubuntu or linux a failure because you had a problem is pretty stupid.
[11:42] <uga> dappermuis: yes, they are rather robust. I've been running one for the last 3 years...almost 24h/7d, non stop
[11:43] <uga> jhutchins: I didn't say that
[11:43] <dappermuis> nice
[11:43] <jhutchins> uga: Sure sounded like it to me.
[11:43] <uga> jhutchins: I only said there's a known solution and I find it pretty silly that it's not being fixed
[11:43] <dappermuis> anyone ever used the OO.o solver tool?
[11:43] <jhutchins> uga: You said you couldn't recommend it and that everybody was using xP instead of linux - which we're obviously not.
[11:43] <ScorpKing> uga: check the IDE and SATA settings in the BIOS. play around with them and see what work.
[11:43] <jhutchins> uga: That's what faq's and wiki's are for.
[11:43] <dappermuis> ScorpKing :)
[11:43] <uga> jhutchins: I Said I couldn't recommend it on new boxes anymore, as I used to do
[11:44] <ScorpKing> hiya dappermuis! :)
[11:44] <jhutchins> uga: This is why you are not a journalist with a wide reputation.
[11:44] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, you enjoying the summer weather?
[11:44] <uga> jhutchins: nor I wanted to
[11:44] <jhutchins> over-generalization.
[11:44] <uga> journalists just write about what they used in the last 5 minutes on their old unused boxes
[11:45] <jhutchins> Yes, of course they do.
[11:45] <ScorpKing> dappermuis: it's great! one week in a row. it's warm enough to swim now :)
[11:45] <uga> jhutchins: I'm writing about what I had to do in the last 2 whole days, and knowing exactly what I was doing
[11:45] <jhutchins> Sorry, I'll stop baiting the troll.
[11:45] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, yes! i was even thinking of going to the beach today!
[11:45] <dappermuis> lol jhutchins
[11:45] <uga> jhutchins: troll? =)
[11:46] <uga> I thought I was a linux supporter and coder ;)
[11:46] <ScorpKing> dappermuis: the water is to cold in CT for me. lol
[11:46] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, lol
[11:47] <uga> jhutchins: btw, I requested yesterday somebody to add the issue to the FAQ, and I even contacted devs
[11:47] <uga> so no idea what FAQs are for, other than telling people how to use nvidia
[11:47] <ScorpKing> anyone here know something about gimp batch scripts?
[11:47] <uga> and btw, nvidia faqs dont' explain how to install nvidia drivers when there's no monitor
[11:47] <dappermuis> i wonder why people have so many problems setting up nvidia cards?
[11:48] <dappermuis> i'd never done it before and i set one up using the nvidia driver in about 2 mins without problems
[11:48] <uga> dappermuis: the main problem, at least for me, isnt' gfx card support. nv does mostly fine. Although somehow kubuntu chose vesa for mine
[11:48] <uga> I believe the problems come when your monitor doesn't support vesa modes
[11:48] <uga> ie, those lcd monitors that got only a couple possible resolutions
[11:48] <genii> uga: Incidentally my p5kse board came with linux source code for the sata/ide controller (it was on the system board cdrom)
[11:49] <uga> 791 does mostly
[11:49] <dappermuis> urgh, i've got a report to write
[11:49] <dappermuis> bbl
[11:49] <uga> genii: really? that's the one I have. The se.. and... what am I meant to do. Build from source code to install? =))
[11:49] <uga> I didn't bother checkign the CDs btw, thanks for the info
[11:50] <uga> genii: btw, did you run into similar trouble?
[11:50] <genii> uga: I first set mine up with controller in bios to be in compatible mode. then I booted to livecd, installed some essentials, compiled, saved to floppy. then I insmod the file from floppy during install from alternate.
[11:50] <ScorpKing> anyway, here is the gimp script i want to run but i don't think it will work. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37949/
[11:51] <uga> genii: uhm.. I didn't see any IDE compatibility modes :/
[11:51] <ScorpKing> uga: i think it's under one of the SATA options
[11:51] <uga> genii: anyway, nice to know there are other solutions
[11:52] <uga> I'll check next time I reboot
[11:52] <genii> uga: The other trouble i had was with stalling due to pcmcia trying to load i83265.ko
[11:52] <uga> oh, nothing like that here
[11:53] <uga> uhm... now that I remember.. I have to reboot to locate the old ide drive ..,
[11:53] <ubuntu> how do i change my resolution higher than 640 x 480 if thats as high as it will go in system ettings
[11:54] <ScorpKing> uga: in the BIOS. Main --> IDE Configuration --> Onboard IDE Operate Mode
[11:54] <uga> as it's only got one IDE interface... would you suggest having the disk or the dvd drive, as master?
[11:54] <uga> ScorpKing: thanks
[11:54] <genii> uga i normally put them in cable select with hd on end of cable. hd fails, cd becomes master.
[11:55] <uga> genii: okay, thanks
[11:56] <genii> uga: np
[11:56] <uga> brb. Rebooting
[11:59] <genii> ubuntu: you edit with admin privelege the xorg.conf file and add in some higher resolution combinations under the default depth area.
[12:00] <NickPresta> Greetings #kubuntu
[12:02] <genii> ubuntu: If your default depth is set to 24, look for a line with: Depth 24 and under similar to this: Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"               where you add in another resolution in the same way you see there. Save the file, logout, restart the login manager by ctrl-alt-backspace, login again
[12:02] <jhutchins> ubuntu: You might need to install a different driver for your video card to get full resolution.
[12:02] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Do you know what card you have?
[12:02] <ubuntu> jhutchins:  i could find out
[12:03] <genii> jhutchins: Good point, also he may be using something like vesa
[12:03] <ubuntu> ill do what genii said first then that
[12:03] <jhutchins> 640x480 sounds like it.
[12:03] <genii> ubuntu: First, make a backup of that file
[12:04] <genii> ubuntu: then you have something usable to revert to in case it does not work
[12:04] <damian> hey guys i'm having trouble getting root priveledges in my account
[12:04] <damian> can anyone help me out?
[12:04] <ubuntu> genii: ok but im new at this, so i just searches xorg.conf and got 4 of them, where do i find this at?
[12:04] <NickPresta> damian, can you explain in greater detail what the problem seems to be?
[12:04] <NickPresta> !root | damian
[12:04] <ubotu> damian: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[12:05] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[12:05] <genii> ubuntu: The one we need is /etc/X11/xorg.conf    but as i stressed, make a backup first of it.
[12:05] <Doctor_Nick> yay
[12:06] <genii> ubuntu: eg, in konsole: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.back
[12:06] <tekstacy> I enabled password-less login, x is screwed up. Ho do I login to console without it trying to start x
[12:06] <tekstacy> ?
[12:06] <genii> ubuntu: then if you get stuck in text mode, you can do reverse the names but otherwise same command to revert the file.
[12:07] <ubuntu> k
[12:08] <genii> ubuntu: also if stuck in text ,after revrting the backup file do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:09] <tekstacy> is there a way to login to the command line and re-install x-org drivers?
[12:10] <tekstacy> I don't want to re-install everything if I don't have to
[12:10] <genii> tekstacy: you can reconfigure the xorg server
[12:10] <NickPresta> tekstacy, to get to a console, hit control+alt+F1 (F1 through F6 should work). Then run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[12:10] <tekstacy> I can't get into the system, it starts up, then it goes blank
[12:11] <tekstacy> NickPresta, THANK you thank you
[12:11] <genii> tekstacy: If you know the answers to most of the questions about what driver and resolutions etc, you can do: sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg          this will work even from Recovery mode. If you do this in recovery mode from text, do after    telinit 2    to start regular operation after
[12:12] <NickPresta> tekstacy, no problem. I would hate to see someone reinstall their whole system just because of a display problem :)
[12:12] <genii> tekstacy: Sorry, NickPresta had right, dpkg-reconfigure       rather :) But otherwise else there holds
[12:12] <tekstacy> geni, THANK you!
[12:13] <tekstacy> whew, my life was looking pretty bleak for a moment...
[12:16] <tekstacy> crap
[12:16] <tekstacy> it says package xserver.org is not installed
[12:17] <uga> heh, I ended up removing the DVD drive
[12:17] <tekstacy> isn't that something I need to run the window manager?
[12:17] <uga> the IDE cable won't reach to both the disk and dvd
[12:17] <uga> I think I'll end up buying some new sata dvdrw
[12:19] <tekstacy> oh, nevermind, stupid spelling error....DOH
[12:20] <Soulwarp> hi kubuntu buddies =)
[12:20] <ScorpKing> helo
[12:21] <tekstacy> what do you add to CL display output one page at a time
[12:21] <rrbiz> hello
[12:21] <tekstacy> er, "to display...
[12:22] <stdin> tekstacy: use   command | less     or    command | more
[12:22] <tekstacy> thanks
[12:22] <uga_> heh... never unplug the ups in teh way I did ;)
[12:23] <rrbiz> in gnome it shows the status of my UPS, in KDE it doesn't
[12:25] <tekstacy> ok, dpkg -reconfigure didn't work, it says conflicting opperators
[12:25] <NickPresta> tekstacy, no space
[12:25] <NickPresta> `dpkg-reconfigure`
[12:25] <tekstacy> oic, cool, thanks
[12:27] <waylandbill> rrbiz: I would think that APC notification on the desktop is an odd issue. It seems like a server issue really.
[12:28] <rrbiz> waylandbill: if kpowersave would recognize it i can set this box to shutdown or hibernate
[12:31] <tekstacy> I can see!!
[12:31] <NickPresta> tekstacy, I'm glad. :)
[12:31] <BluesKaj> !botsnack NickPresta & genii
[12:32] <tekstacy_> cool, now I'm not tethered to that stupid desk
[12:32] <BluesKaj> !botsnack | NickPresta & genii
[12:32] <ubotu> NickPresta & genii: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:32] <BluesKaj> oops, wrong one
[12:32] <dappermuis> haha, yum
[12:33] <BluesKaj> !cookie | NickPresta & genii
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <BluesKaj> dumb unco-operative bot
[12:33] <genii> BluesKaj: Heh
[12:34] <tekstacy> so, us new people bug you about stuff like that untill we learn enough that people start to bug us?  :)
[12:34] <tekstacy> the circle of life
[12:34] <BluesKaj> yup, that's about it
[12:35] <BluesKaj> I never stop learning new stuff here , tho
[12:36] <tekstacy> I'll prob spend an hour or so learning about the commands I was told to use....   :)
[12:37] <tekstacy> Sort of like it, reminds me of when I was a kid just getting into these things.
[12:38] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm having trouble renewing my DHCP lease, can anyone help me out?