=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Onyxyte_ [n=Onyxyte@r75-110-104-20.rmntcmtc01.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@xdsl-84-44-186-48.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=mrsno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.220.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-076-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] keescook: I've successfully booted ume with the fix to patch 132 [01:30] \o/ [01:30] keescook: I need to do one more test with the proprietary bits enabled (it's missing flash), to be absolutely sure, but I think we can go ahead with an upload. [01:31] bryce: cool; let me know when you've got it ready, and I'll pull the lever [01:31] keescook: I'm generating a .dsc presently, which will include both that and the cve, and will let you know when they're baked. === defcon [n=ion@70-58-116-171.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] keescook, bryce - you guys need to use the same analogy. one of you seems to be in a factory the other in a bakery. [01:40] :-) [01:40] we be makin' loaves of steel here === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.202.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] kees, ok flash added, and the home apps came up ok [01:57] kees, mind uploading xorg-server from http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/? [01:58] bryce: sure, one sec, finishing another upload atm === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] the xorg package there can upload too [02:01] I just finished verifying it still generates valid xorg.conf files, but with the wacom entries disabled === dendro-away [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] bryce: your changes file doesn't need the orig.tar.gz (you can leave off the -sa when building) [02:04] oh yeah [02:08] bryce: if you want 83860 to auto-close, the xorg changelog needs "LP: #83860" rather than "LP# 83860" [02:08] (same goes for the xorg-server, I had intentially not used LP: #xxx in my ppa changelog due to the ppa-auto-close bug [02:09] gota [02:09] well, I'll manually close them then [02:10] I need to search for other related bugs these close anyway === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.216.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.216.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.219.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.86.100.175.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtt [n=jtholmes@198.211.210.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel === posingaspopular [n=emmmmmm@adsl-68-72-83-110.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === posingaspopular [n=emmmmmm@adsl-68-72-83-110.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [03:28] Argh, blurry fonts. :-( [03:29] (due to some new patch in freetype, i think) [03:30] Oooh, cool. The subpixel rendering patch. === stub [n=stub@tetkyo012094.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] It used to use subpixel rendering already. :-) [03:31] Now full hinting isnt full hinting anymore. [03:33] Ugh, full hinting. :) [03:34] Yeah, a.k.a. non-blurry fonts. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] Or thin, anaemic looking strange fonts :). [03:36] Yay perception. [03:38] ooh, the fonts have even changed on kubuntu [03:39] I don't seem to notice a difference, but that's probably my 130DPI laptop LCD's fault. [03:40] well, in firefox on kubuntu [03:41] oh, damn [03:41] i forgot to stick my remote client back in last night. [03:41] Oh, tell a lie. It seems emacs-snapshot looks better :) [03:43] Right. Someone remind me to hurt jdong for that nick change [03:43] gladly === jdong looks around :) [03:43] just... returning to normal... [03:43] if that's even possible for me. [03:44] !jdong | jdong [03:44] jdong: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! === RAOF was under the impression that trackerd wasn't supposed to halve my battery life. Clearly this is not the case :( [03:44] silly jdong. [03:44] :) [03:44] RAOF: it's a feature. [03:44] RAOF: it's a feature [03:44] ha [03:44] jinx [03:44] ajmitch: ^5 [03:44] haha now you can't talk! [03:45] or something like that [03:45] :) === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] awww, you broke the rules! [03:46] I'm telling! === jdong misses those days of life... [03:46] before I discovered the computer... === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] I miss those days of life *when* i discovered the computer. [03:47] hi Burgundavia [03:47] welcome back to the real world === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8AB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] hey ajmitch === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee sighs at internet usage caps [03:53] Hobbsee: aren't they fun [03:53] no, they arent [03:53] and apparently we're at 46%, and the month started 12 days ago. [03:53] 18, actually [03:54] ah yes, I hit 80% a couple of days ago [03:54] but luckily the billing cycle is over in 4 days for me [03:54] Burgundavia: That would be a billing month [03:54] ahh [03:54] you poor aussies [03:54] Burgundavia: Which looks to be from the 7th - 7th [03:54] although I got a nasty taste of it in SA [03:55] Is it some sort of rule to have usage caps if you're in the southern hemisphere? The bits naturally flow to the north, or something?a [03:56] basically, yes [03:56] johanbr: likely - being further away and such [03:56] johanbr: they have to swim further [03:56] all those lovely bits are on servers in the US and Europe [03:57] It's the nasty B word, and .au and .za don't have any [03:57] StevenK: you forget the other tri-nations team [03:57] Oh, of course .nz [03:58] we've been promised ADSL2+ for the last couple of years [03:59] It's slowly being picked up here. === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] makes uploading to the archive real fun [04:00] I wish RB wasn't so crash-happy === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-178.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] ajmitch: upload from a remote host. problem solved. [04:04] got to get stuff to a remote host [04:07] ways and means. === Hobbsee tends to use a couple of shortcuts, etc === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] Oh, man. Look at all those bugs fixed in the new nvidia drivers. [04:13] URL, please. [04:13] Is the "driver is closed source" bug fixed? :) [04:14] :-) [04:14] johanbr: No. But a lot of others are. [04:14] ion_: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.19.html [04:14] Thanks [04:14] Supposedly fixes essentially all the nvidia+compiz bugs. [04:15] nice === RAOF wonders if it's worth filing a wishlist bug against l-r-m for those drivers. [04:23] I suspect they're already being looked at [04:23] Out of curiousity, what happened to gnome-terminal? I almost had a heart attack! :) [04:24] sbalneav: kde sabbotaged it. [04:24] heh [04:24] It was a fonts issue. [04:24] Something to do with the dpi setting. [04:24] One pixel fonts are awesome. [04:24] Hobbsee: those evil, nasty kde people [04:25] I had to break the glass on the front of the little box that holds /usr/bin/xterm, and put it back into service :) [04:25] ajmitch: indeed. [04:25] at least our systems actually work [04:26] they do? that's a good change :) === sbalneav grabs popcorn [04:26] FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT === jml_ [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] Ok, that's less bad than I was expecting [04:27] Though the perception is certainly that the fonts are slightly more blurred than before === Hobbsee throws large pieces of rock at sbalneav [04:27] (Well, the fonts /are/ slightly more blurred than before, but) [04:28] [04:28] OW [04:28] Hobbsee: Thrown from that far away the impact velocity would be pretty interesting. [04:28] The spacing is clearly more consistent than it was before [04:29] ScottK: there are ways and means. [04:29] SORDS [04:29] Sub Orbital Rock Delivery System [04:29] Hobbsee: I wasn't doubting you, I was just going to enjoy the kinetic effects. === jml_ [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] sbalneav: :) [04:30] The basic effect is that stuff that used to be white is now slightly dimmed in order to remove the harshness of the cutoff [04:30] It's interesting to compare them in xmag === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-38-77.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] Oh, I *see* [04:32] subpixel in terms of subpixel alignment, not subpixel in terms of subpixel rendering [04:32] That makes sense === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DA2C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] kees, btw I got xserver patched, built, and tested on my laptop. It's good to go: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/ [04:44] bryce: does it break X? :P [04:45] :-P [04:45] wouldn't that be fun, right before the beta release? [04:45] this makes it so compiz works with -nvidia, and fixes a CVE [04:45] fun [04:45] ajmitch: well, apt was segfaulting yesterday... [04:45] Hobbsee: I know :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [04:46] thankfully I didn't get that upgrade [04:46] so it's about the right time === ajmitch has a samba upload to do as well [04:46] I've put in all but 1 fix that's needed, so that should cause fun for people === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon_ [n=mthaddon@adsl-71-132-142-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee notes that removing stuff from ubuntu-release's buglist, and shoving it back to motu-uvf is suboptimal. [05:07] Hobbsee: isn't that just delegation? [05:07] ajmitch: not when i'm on both teams. [05:07] [05:07] but you don't have to be the one to touch it, when you've got your slaves [05:08] this is true [05:09] bhale: did you have any opinion on the new beagle? [05:12] Hobbsee: hi! :) [05:12] hiya calc! [05:12] hey calc [05:12] ajmitch: i dont have *enough* slaves :P [05:12] ajmitch: hi [05:15] mmmm slaves [05:15] grr. why do people keep wnating stacks of new packages? [05:16] because === Hobbsee checks the schedule [05:16] there's all this cool stuff that would just make ubuntu so much better [05:16] except we don't have time [05:16] ajmitch: indeed. [05:17] ScottK: FYI, i want to put a blanket NO to all new packages at this point - we're a month from release, and the release team is attempting to get a beta together. the archive team is either working busily on the beta stuff, or is working busily on getting their fixes in. === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] bddebian: how well does awn actually work? (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118589) [05:20] Launchpad bug 118589 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Avant Window Navigator" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [05:21] me? [05:21] Hobbsee: Agreed. [05:22] bddebian: yes, you [05:22] StevenK: perhaps modulo the awn, as that's been requested a lot === xfceslacker [n=matthew@adsl-074-237-147-062.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] StevenK: please look thru the bugs, if you can get the time off wokr :P [05:23] Hobbsee: I'll try. [05:23] StevenK: thanks [05:23] Hobbsee: How the heck would I know? [05:23] bddebian: you advocated it. [05:24] I did? Hmm [05:24] Ha! [05:24] Hobbsee: Note, let's not +1 anything bddebian touched. [05:24] :-P [05:24] "I was not able to do an install or execution test so I cant comment on that portion. Thanks for your contribution!" [05:25] I had no Gutsy box at that point, I merely advocated the packaging itself === Hobbsee marks one as WONTFIX [05:27] bddebian: ok, then please test it in a gutsy box now then :) [05:27] Hobbsee: so I'm not allowed to dump some new packages in a week before release? [05:27] how unfair [05:27] Hobbsee: what are you WONTFIX'ing [05:27] ? [05:28] LaserJock: a bug that wants to sync ~5 packages, add more, and do a whole stack fo rebuilds [05:28] ajmitch: :P [05:28] hey LaserJock [05:28] StevenK: can you ack https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/137350 as well please? [05:28] Launchpad bug 137350 in youtube-dl "Please sync youtube-dl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [05:28] Hobbsee: you can't wishlist? [05:28] Aye, why are we looking at/considering new packages? [05:28] LaserJock: it's already a wishlist. i'm doing this with my motu-uvf hat on. [05:28] oh, it's a UVF [05:29] bddebian: because people are attemtping to file new package freeze exceptions for them [05:29] OK, let me rebuild and test [05:29] bddebian: if you care about it at all, that is [05:29] No more or less than any of the other worthless work I do :-) [05:29] Hobbsee: Done. [05:30] StevenK: great, thanks [05:32] Hobbsee: Agreed on New packages. The only exception I think we should consider is the lightening lanuage packs as translation is something that's supposed to be being done right now. === Hobbsee WONTFIX's another [05:32] ScottK: modulo anything of great importance, yes. === StevenK nods. [05:32] ScottK: i'm thinking of the random crack on there, which i'm slowly going thru. [05:33] Hobbsee: Agreed. [05:33] So look at awn or no? [05:33] bddebian: if you care enough. it's a reasonably wanted package - if it works, then i'm inclined to think about accepting it [05:33] (from teh forums, anyway) === manchicken_ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee acks enigmail langpacks [05:37] ScottK: any objection to me shunting the ddclient bug to dholbach to decide on? he wants kmos to contribute, and i dont have the motivation to audit the code, when i've seen the previous incarnations of the bug. [05:38] it's either that, or i'll mark it as wontfix, for the above reason. [05:38] StevenK: ^ ? [05:38] Hobbsee: I've gone to great lengths to avoid thinking about that bug. [05:38] I intend to continue. [05:38] ScottK: hehe :) [05:38] If someone wants to look into it and ack it, I've no objections. [05:38] His other one should be won't fixed. === ajmitch could look at it, but not ack it [05:39] ajmitch: i'm happy to delegate it to you, if you want it. [05:39] ajmitch: i just dont want to touch the damned thing. [05:39] Hobbsee: Throw ddclient at dholbach [05:39] StevenK: yes, i think that's a good idea. he's trying to get kmos to contribute again, so... === Hobbsee does [05:40] I keep getting other bugs for me to fix thrown at me anyway === ScottK is not in favor of encouraging that kind of behaviour, but whatever.... [05:40] ajmitch: Did you get your FAI UVFe approved? [05:40] I don't recall. [05:40] ScottK: that was siretart [05:40] ScottK: yeah, well. [05:40] Ah. Sorry. [05:41] I haven't been touching universe much [05:41] thought I need to file a sync requst for phpgw, which you approved on irc === ajmitch does so now [05:44] ScottK: here you go, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/132694/ [05:44] Launchpad bug 132694 in ddclient "Please merge ddclient (3.7.3-2) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] [05:44] So leave psi broken eh? :-) [05:44] bddebian: qca is still messed. [05:44] afaik [05:44] Hobbsee: Why do I want to click on that link? [05:45] ScottK: to see my last comment. [05:45] Hobbsee: Wouldn't surprise me :-) [05:45] Ah === ScottK looks, but the edge links are a real PITA. [05:45] sorry, i'm defaulting to edge atm. [05:46] Hobbsee: I'm good with your comment. [05:46] ScottK: :D [05:46] ScottK: 4th incarnation. quite good, really [05:46] Yes. [05:46] I definitely lack confidence in that being correct, so yes. A good comment. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] ScottK: fine to WONTFIX https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/134504 ? [05:47] Launchpad bug 134504 in debian "[needs-packaging] tapioca-glib" [Unknown,Fix released] [05:47] Gah, awn needs compiz [05:48] will compiz --replace work for just this session or permanently replace? [05:48] Hobbsee: it's a sync request, but could you note on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phpgroupware/+bug/140859 that it was approved for UVFe on irc? :) [05:48] Launchpad bug 140859 in phpgroupware "Please sync phpgroupware (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:49] ajmitch: done [05:49] Tapioca is a library that abstracts away the D-Bus details and presents [05:49] the developer a native object structure, very similar to its Telepathy [05:49] counter-parts. The D-Bus mechanism of request-reply is presented as [05:49] methods and callbacks in the local language/toolkit used. [05:49] hum. [05:50] Hobbsee: thanks [05:50] ajmitch: no problem. === ajmitch has heard of tapioca [05:51] does it fall under the ubuntu mobile area? [05:51] ajmitch: i'm presuming the world wont break by me declining it? [05:51] ajmitch: i have no idea. Mithrandir didnt mention it. [05:51] so i dont think so [05:52] besides, it's new to ubuntu, and a u-m person hastn filed it. === YokoZar_ [n=scott@c-67-166-147-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] hehe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/140862 [05:53] Launchpad bug 140862 in gnome-games "Nibbles with more than 1 human player causes invincible zombie worms" [Undecided,New] [05:53] OK, awn seems to work, though I don't see anything great about it [05:53] Hobbsee: tapioca is used by the QT/KDE wierdos for Telepathy stuff [05:53] :) [05:53] Hobbsee: I don't know enough about it to comment :) [05:53] Burgundavia: heh. so, seeing as claerly nothing uses it now... [05:54] Hobbsee: depends, what's the bug? [05:54] we already have some tapioca stuff in the archive [05:54] ajmitch: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/134504 === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] Launchpad bug 134504 in debian "[needs-packaging] tapioca-glib" [Unknown,Fix released] [05:55] right, and he's been doing much of the telepathy-related stuff lately, I think [05:56] bddebian: be useful and upload https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xournal/+bug/137934 please (check the code first, etc) [05:56] Launchpad bug 137934 in xournal "Please sponsor xournal 0.4.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] Hobbsee: When/if this boson build ever finishes, I'll be glad to [05:57] StevenK: ScottK: after the discussions, what's your opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtelepathy/+bug/137953 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/137955 [05:57] Launchpad bug 137953 in libtelepathy "[UVFe] Please sync libtelepathy from debian (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [05:57] (and yes, i will write that mail eventually) [05:57] calc: ooo 2.3 is already in gutsy, no? [05:58] some nutter has filed a bug for it, and subscribed motu-uvf - and hasnt touched the packaging. [05:58] hehe [05:58] they're at least trying to follow the process :) [05:58] oh, still the rc1 in gutsy [05:59] ajmitch: they've missed the lesson on main and universe, though. === ajmitch wonders who this nutter is [05:59] ajmitch: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/140703 [05:59] Launchpad bug 140703 in openoffice.org "UVF exception: OpenOffice.org 2.3.0 (gutsy)" [Undecided,New] [05:59] did they attach a build log? :) [05:59] nope [06:00] didnt even attach a diffstat [06:00] that's a shame === Hobbsee ponders rejecting it === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] Hobbsee: The telepathy packages have a blanket UME handwave according to some as yet (AFAIK) undocumented release team decision. Who am I to have an opinion. [06:06] Hobbsee: I'd say assign it to calc and unsub motu-uvf. [06:06] ScottK: or just say "we're tracking this in other ways" and mark as invalid. [06:07] Whatever. [06:07] Assign to calc will make the reporter feel better about their contribution. [06:07] oh, sigh. are you more bitter at the release team or LP now? [06:07] or just plain bitter? [06:07] Depending on who it is, that woulc be good or bad. [06:08] I'm more bitter at LP. [06:08] heh [06:08] that's a surprise [06:08] I do think it a substantial process failure that there is still no documentation of a general waiver of a whole raft of packages. [06:08] The release team thing will pass. LP is a long term bitter. [06:08] ScottK: well, the release manager is changing. wait a bit, and hopefully it'll all start making more sense. :P === ScottK just wanted it written down so I could know I didn't have to deal with the telepathy packages. [06:10] Hobbsee: Since you were in on the release team thing, I'd suggest you mark them approved. [06:10] Uhm, where am I getting xournal 0.4.1 from? [06:11] done [06:11] Hobbsee: I'm leaning no on the mod-wsgi thing. [06:11] Said so in the bug. [06:12] It's gonna be a big thing someday isn't a great rationale at this point IMO. [06:12] ScottK: noted, please mark as wontfix. [06:13] DOne [06:13] cool === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] Hobbsee, StevenK, zul, soren: Any objection to me won't fixing Bug #118589 [06:15] Launchpad bug 118589 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Avant Window Navigator" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118589 [06:15] Hobbsee: Where is xournal supposed to come from? I'm not following that bug and I don't see a 0.4.1 on his ppa [06:15] ScottK: Fixing it how? [06:15] StevenK: "Won't Fix"ing it. [06:15] bddebian: i thought it was there. [06:15] As it we won't include it in Gutsy. [06:16] ScottK: only that a lot of people want it. but, it hasnt been approved, and the arhcive admins have only got 4 weeks. [06:16] They can get it from his PPA. === ScottK isn't a fan of PPA in general, but this is the kind of thing it's useful for. [06:16] Hobbsee: His 0.4.0.1 is there. Am I missing something? [06:17] Is Avant Window Navigator related to what bddebian is looking at for Hobbsee? [06:17] Hobbsee and bddebian: IIRC, bluekaja was going to take care of that one. [06:17] StevenK: No [06:17] StevenK: no, althouhg i'd asked him to before. [06:17] ScottK: xournal? [06:17] Yeah [06:18] Ah, OK [06:18] StevenK: I built and ran it earlier. Seems to work, though nothing special to me but what the hell do I know? :-) [06:18] Though i do think it should probably depend or at least suggest compiz [06:20] ScottK, Hobbsee: are the bugs you're WONTFIX'ing specifically FFe bugs? [06:20] LaserJock: Yes. [06:21] UVFe or New package exception [06:21] so you're leaving the "needs-packaging" bug? [06:21] It's the same bug. Not sure what else to to. [06:21] I think we should do it differently === ScottK notes for the record that trying to track packaging status in needs packaging bugs is keeping track of stuff in two places and a real PITA. [06:22] a WONTFIX on a "needs-packaging" bug indicates that we aren't going to include it *ever* === ScottK might have mentioned that before. [06:23] there should be a different bug files for the FFe or UVFe [06:23] LaserJock: i'm wontfixing the uvfe bugs, and tryign to remember to just unsub the n-p bugs. [06:23] LaserJock: but i think i missed a couple. [06:23] k [06:24] I just don't think we should WONTFIX stuff that's just "won't fix for gutsy" [06:24] LaserJock: yeah, just hte uvfe's. or at least, that's hte plan === Hobbsee has gone more or less thru 2 queues today. [06:25] that makes sense since you're dealing with a specific exception request [06:27] bddebian: It doesn't actually *need* compiz. It (should) work with xcompmgr, too. And kwin. [06:28] Ah, I didn't look that closely, just noticed that when it failed to run it said it wanted compiz :-) === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] Yeah. Because compiz is obviously the only composite manager around :(. === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee whines at the next 7 hours. [06:32] heh [06:32] Hobbsee: more fun at uni? [06:32] ajmitch: no, it's uni break. work. [06:33] ah, unfortunate [06:33] ajmitch: so i'm using this time to figure out what i want to step down from, ubuntu-wise, and will likely put that into action after the break. [06:33] ajmitch: very much so - regional high up manager is in tomorrow, so it all has to be perfect. *shudder* [06:33] Nooo :-( [06:33] ouch :( [06:34] ajmitch: probably other important people too, due to the takeover [06:35] Hobbsee: You aren't allowed to step down from anything :-( [06:35] you're working for a different company now? [06:35] some days I do like being a career student ;-) [06:35] ajmitch: we're under as coles - we now have lots of coles stuff - but wesfarmers is buying otu coles. [06:35] hehe [06:35] hm. maroon != black. [06:36] close enough [06:36] yeah, well. that tends to work better if i'm the highest person in the store, or the second highest, where the highest doesnt give a damn. [06:37] (there was no customers anyway, it was late at night) [06:38] bddebian: tough. i'm working a fair bit, and i need to concentrate on uni. [06:38] Sheesh, none of you are any fun anymore :-) [06:38] and i actually need reasonable amounts of sleep, etc. [06:39] bddebian: I think it's a good idea for people to step back when necessary [06:39] I'm kidding for gosh sakes, it's just not the same these days [06:39] Hobbsee: I expect that after exams you'll be around a bit more [06:39] unless you're planning to do stuff at uni over summer? [06:42] ajmitch: now there's a good question. [06:42] ajmitch: i have no idea [06:43] bddebian: i was saying all of that with a :P, btw. === Hobbsee --> gone. [06:43] bye Hobbsee === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] Good morning [07:27] Morning pitti [07:27] morning pitti [07:28] morning pitti === LaserJock throws pitti a bag of gummybears [07:30] yummy! [07:34] pitti: opinions on whether enabling the cups options in the [globals] section is a good thing? details on bug 133932 [07:34] Launchpad bug 133932 in samba "Samba is not configured for using CUPS by default" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133932 === getoo [n=user@CPE-76-178-13-103.natmtn.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] ajmitch: as opposed to removing the Debian-specific patch that disables CUPS by default? [07:36] slangasek: figures that there'd be something like that [07:36] hey slangasek [07:36] (which I think we should probably drop for lenny too, fwiw, the only question there is whether cups will swap priorities with lpr) [07:36] pitti: hi-ho [07:36] ajmitch: makes me a little nervous TBH (FF and all that) [07:37] ajmitch: one question is: how does samba printer configuration look nowadays? [07:37] ajmitch: i. e. is there anything we can break in the first place? :) === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] heh [07:40] it's reported to work - I don't have a printer attached so I can't really give an answer there [07:43] well, there are some behavior differences when using the cups support, last time I used it there was some raciness on startup because cups would accept connections and provide printer lists to smbd queries before it had finished loading its own list of printers [07:44] but that was years ago, I have no idea if that's a current issue or if there are other issues taking its place === joe_ [n=joe@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73507.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] good morning [07:58] slangasek: speaking about cups, WDYT about bug 140877? [07:58] Launchpad bug 140877 in cupsys "new upstream bugfix release 1.3.2 available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140877 === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] tracker is still slowing the machine down too much :-( === linuxemacs [n=linuxema@221.122.47.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] pitti: do either of the microreleases fix my bug? ;D [08:18] slangasek: nope, I didn't report it upstream yet [08:18] aw [08:18] but they fix mines :) [08:18] mine, even [08:19] slangasek: can you change the importance of bugs already? [08:20] dholbach: I think so, haven't tried it yet :) [08:20]