[12:28] <cjwatson> evand: Joey's suggesting that the debconf debug log is lower-level, capturing everything that goes past without regard to what it is, and so shouldn't be treated as something that gets shipped around casually when passwords are involved, just like strace output
[12:29] <cjwatson> I dunno really
[12:29] <evand> ah, indeed
[12:50] <cjwatson> that's a bug in our current images - they're supposed to fit in 700MB
[12:51] <xivulon> I wanted to test the CD with Wubi. Hopefully using daemon tools or something like that I'll be able to go around it (at least for the wubi part)
[12:51] <evand> xivulon: testing the installer using CDs will get quite expensive real quick.
[12:52] <evand> VM?
[12:52] <evand> oh, I guess that wouldn't work here
[12:52] <evand> wait no, I've done it before
[12:52] <xivulon> evand don't have a windows license for full VM testing
[12:52] <evand> nevermind me
[12:53] <evand> ah
[12:53] <xivulon> I did use VM but only for testing lupin inside ext3, but now cannot do that either because of unionfs
[01:52] <xivulon> is there a way to detect when safe mode boot (acpi=off & co) should be used?
[01:55] <cjwatson> it's a kernel bug if that's needed. much better to report such problems so that kernel quirks can be added
[01:55] <cjwatson> if we had an authoritative way to detect that, it could simply be added to the kernel so that it wasn't necessary
[01:56] <xivulon> I guess I have such bug :P
[09:10] <superm1_> whoops, somehow ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu is showing up in gnome-app-install now that it's including an icon.  how do you guys keep normal ubiquity frontend gtk and kde out of there?
[10:42] <cjwatson> superm1_: I don't remember doing anything special (which is not to say I didn't); check with mvo
[11:58] <soren> Can I somehow tell ubiquity to use a proxy?
[11:59] <cjwatson> soren: just set the standard GNOME proxy
[12:00] <soren> duh
[12:00] <soren> cjwatson: Of course, thanks!
[12:00] <cjwatson> though I think you do have to do it before ubiquity starts
[12:00] <soren> Alright.
[12:01] <cjwatson> I'd take a patch to have it go poke GNOME just before it first cares about the proxy
[12:01] <soren> How very nice of you :)
[12:02] <cjwatson> heh
[03:07] <stgraber> cjwatson: ping
[03:07] <cjwatson> stgraber: pong
[03:07] <stgraber> cjwatson: Hi, I'm doing a netinstall with a preseed file and would like to download two files using the early_command, is that possible ?
[03:07] <cjwatson> should be, the network is up at that point
[03:08] <cjwatson> the preseed file itself is downloaded, after all
[03:09] <stgraber> giving two parameters to wget doesn't work and using && doesn't work seem to work either
[03:11] <stgraber> ok, I just checked and indeed the busybox wget can only take one URL as argument, so do you know a way to start two commands using early_command ?
[03:13] <thom> stgraber: something like
[03:13] <thom> preseed/early_command   string  wget -O /tmp/early_command http://ubuntu.somewhere/d-i/scripts/early_command && sh /tmp/early_command
[03:14] <thom> where what you wget is a shell script
[03:14] <thom> works fine
[03:14] <stgraber> oh, strange I'm pretty sure I tried that
[03:17] <cjwatson> don't see why it shouldn't, certainly
[03:18] <cjwatson> nothing special about && or indeed ; on the RHS of a preseed line
[03:18] <stgraber> ok, it worked looks like the file wasn't saved at the right place (it was opened by mc through ssh and saving it only save the temporary copy of it)
[07:07] <cjwatson> sigh, now wubi is crashing
[07:07] <cjwatson> and unionfs is still unhappy even with 1GB of memory; I guess the CD is slow enough that timing makes a difference
[07:26] <evand> if putting an older kernel on won't work, what would need to be backported to the gutsy daily from 20070908?  ubiquity, ubiquity-frontend-gtk, ubiquity-capser, lupin-casper, anything else?
[07:31] <cjwatson> older linux-image-*, linux-restricted-modules-*, linux-ubuntu-modules-* should be all
[07:31] <cjwatson> for older kernel
[07:32] <cjwatson> I seriously wouldn't try the backport, it's going to be a hideous time sink
[07:32] <evand> ok, I'll avoid it
[07:32] <cjwatson> fuse, ntfs-3g, lupin, ubiquity, casper, quite possibly other stuff
[07:33] <evand> gah
[07:33] <evand> I see your point
[09:53] <evand> cjwatson_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/gutsy-desktop-amd64-20070919.1+linux-2.6.22-10.30.iso
[09:56] <cjwatson_> cool, downloading
[09:56] <evand> will it help you?  It's oversized.
[09:56] <cjwatson_> DVDs are a wonderful thing
[09:57] <evand> ah, indeed
[09:58] <cjwatson> wubi is being very unhappy at the moment though
[09:58] <cjwatson> I think I need xivulon's help
[09:59] <evand> for me it got as far as the ubuntu desktop, then I ran ubiquity --automatic -d and it went downhill from there.
[09:59] <evand> well, once it hit partman, that is
[10:06] <cjwatson> what happened?
[10:08] <evand> I believe it tried to ask a question.  I probably should've stayed in there.
[10:08] <evand> I can run it again if it would help you
[10:08] <cjwatson> if it's easy
[10:09] <evand> it is, it will just take about 15 minutes as something is causing the initramfs to take its sweet time to load
[10:11] <evand> xivulon: by the way, my entries in add/remove programs dont get removed on uninstall, though I seem to recall you being aware of this, correct?
[10:17] <cjwatson> same for me, nor the uninstaller itself
[10:24] <evand> uhh, shouldn't the ntfs filesystem be mounted somewhere?
[10:25] <cjwatson> should be move-mounted to /host
[10:27] <evand> negative.  Perhaps I screwed up the CD somehow?
[10:28] <evand> All I did was copy the linux kernel image over, install the debs for the previous kernel, then mkinitramfs'ed a new initrd
[10:29] <evand> it did preseed the installer properly though
[10:29] <cjwatson> you did install casper on your host system right/
[10:29] <cjwatson> ?
[10:29] <cjwatson> and lupin-casper
[10:30] <evand> can you explain that another way?  casper and lupin-casper were already on the CD I remastered.
[10:31] <cjwatson> you're running mkinitramfs on your normal system
[10:31] <cjwatson> it's using whatever's in /usr/share/initramfs-tools to do it
[10:32] <cjwatson> so you need to install casper and lupin-casper in order to install the hooks and scripts there to produce a working live CD initrd
[10:32] <evand> when I'm chrooted in the unpacked cd?
[10:32] <cjwatson> oh, hmm
[10:32] <cjwatson> not sure then
[10:33] <evand> it's definitely running through lupin-casper
[10:33] <evand> one sec, I'll upload casper.log
[10:35] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/casper.log
[10:35] <evand> is it falling over in 07find_preseed?
[10:35] <cjwatson> oh, of course, it doesn't need to mount the NTFS filesystem in lupin-style booting
[10:36] <evand> nevermind my last comment
[10:36] <cjwatson> grub4dos sucks the kernel and initrd off the disk directly
[10:36] <cjwatson> Linux never mounts it
[10:36] <cjwatson> this has confused me in the past
[10:36] <evand> I am quite confused at the moment
[10:36] <cjwatson> the short answer is no, the NTFS filesystem shouldn't be mounted
[10:39] <evand> hrm
[10:46] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/debug and http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/partman
[10:46] <evand> still reading over it
[10:47] <xivulon> hi all I am back
[10:47] <evand> hi xivulon
[10:50] <evand> wow
[10:50] <xivulon> ok so in order
[10:50] <xivulon> re uninstallation
[10:50] <evand> oh, I think I did screw things up majorly here
[10:51] <xivulon> if you have vista, use easybcd to remove entries
[10:51] <xivulon> if you have xp edit boot.ini
[10:51] <xivulon> then remove the windows key manually
[10:51] <xivulon> then try to install uninstalling wubi
[10:51] <evand> both /lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic/volatile and /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/volatile are mounted
[10:52] <xivulon> use the wubi which is wubi-installer.org/devel/minefields
[10:52] <xivulon> what is the status of unionfs
[10:52] <xivulon> do we have an ISO capable of booting?
[10:52] <evand> xivulon: still broken
[10:52] <evand> sort of
[10:52] <xivulon> hmm
[10:52] <evand> I remastered one, but I think I messed it up
[10:52] <evand> as I forgot to remove the old kernel, and possibly do other things
[10:52] <xivulon> CD -> ISO extraction in wubi is broken at the moment
[10:53] <xivulon> wubi should extract the kernel
[10:53] <evand> the reason the install stops seems to be that /var has filled up.
[10:54] <xivulon> is something mounted inside ram by any chance?
[10:55] <xivulon> I have a few pending patches for wubi by the way, will upload shortly
[10:55] <xivulon> cjwatson, anything you need me for?
[11:04] <xivulon> cjwatson: quick ping (have to disconnect to test on the dark side)