[03:02] <DPic> Hello
[01:17] <flint> highvoltage, Good morning Jonathan from the free republic of Vermont, USA
[01:25] <jsgotangco> arrrrr matey
[02:00] <highvoltage> hey flint
[02:00] <highvoltage> @schedule
[02:02] <RichEd> hello edubunteros ...
[02:02] <RichEd> we'll kick off with ogra on technical
[02:02] <`6og> hi all
[02:02] <`6og> ogra may still be cafinating
[02:02] <simira> haha, ogra just left for coffee :p
[02:03] <simira> he'll brb
[02:03] <RichEd> :) no problem
[02:06] <`6og> 2b
[02:06] <`6og> wb
[02:06] <`6og> :|
[02:07] <RichEd> let's try that again, with coffee: we'll kick off with ogra on technical
[02:07] <RichEd> :)
[02:07] <ogra> * Where are we in the development cycle:
[02:08] <ogra> last deadline was string freeze on 13th
[02:08] <ogra> we missed that largely with the edubuntu-docs :/
[02:08] <ogra> LaserJock wanted to upload it by seems he was out of time ... i'll try to get that in today
[02:09] <ogra> * What is the next deadline ?
[02:09] <ogra> next deadline is beta freeze which is tomorrow
[02:09] <ogra> with the majority of stuff we're ready ...
[02:10] <RichEd> yay
[02:10] <ogra> there are some ltsp bugs i want to look at and due to the brokenness of the isos i still couldnt test the instaler changes
[02:10] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork is just in my hands and i'm making the final changes
[02:10] <RichEd> ogra: does jill need to do any more ?
[02:11] <RichEd> changes I mean
[02:11] <ogra> we shipped an additional icon theme the last releases for the "plain" flavour
[02:11] <ogra> RichEd, nope, i think its fine as is
[02:12] <ogra> i'm planning to drop that ... i doubt anyone every used it and i'll take care for the icons in the "plain" theme to fall back on something sane
[02:12] <ogra> that will save us 10M
[02:12] <ogra> moodle was changed a lot by LaserJock and moquist the last weeks and sits in the main inclusion queue for review
[02:13] <ogra> its likely we'll have it in the default install this time
[02:13] <RichEd> *approval
[02:13] <highvoltage> lots of people will rejoice for that
[02:14] <ogra> well, that was actually already the "* Progress over the last week" topic
[02:14] <RichEd> we can actually make a public announcement now on that ...
[02:15] <ogra> we discovered one bad bug in ltsp i'd love to solve ... but that will cost us 16M on the cD
[02:15] <RichEd> A version of Ubuntu with Education applications is being developed for the Intel Classmate PC
[02:15] <RichEd> Intel have looked at a few Linux options, but decided to go with Ubuntu because of customer demand
[02:16] <RichEd> So it will be available with Windows / Ubuntu ... those will be the two supported sales options
[02:16] <RichEd> ---
[02:16] <ogra> since ubunt defaults to use compiz, we should have support for it in ltsp, but due to a missing 16M big library it cant do composite ...
[02:16] <`6og> hm... interesting to see
[02:16] <`6og> 16*mb* *lib*?
[02:16] <ogra> mesa-dir
[02:16] <ogra> *err dri
[02:17] <ogra> its not on the edubuntu CD
[02:17] <ogra> that would mean we miss a big feature we inherit from ubuntu
[02:17] <ogra> but i sadly have no idea where to get 16M from
[02:17] <`6og> how much extra grunt does this mean we need on the terminals?
[02:17] <ogra> nothing
[02:17] <ogra> its not used on the majority of terminals at all
[02:17] <`6og> saywah?
[02:17] <`6og> oh right
[02:18] <`6og> can you explain the compiz by default bit - how 'by default' is it?
[02:18] <ogra> you need a compoisite capable device on the client
[02:18] <ogra> fully by default
[02:18] <ogra> if you install ubuntu its the window manager
[02:19] <ogra> the autodetection falls back to metacity if it doesnt find composite though
[02:19] <ogra> i dont think we can ignore such a big feature
[02:20] <ogra> but i have no idea what top drop ... and it will affect *all* CDs
[02:20] <`6og> what sort of odds are there that it fails to fall back to metacity properly?
[02:20] <ogra> very minimal chances
[02:20] <`6og> suppose thats as good as it gets in reality ;)
[02:20] <ogra> it was on nearly the whole dev cycle already
[02:20] <ogra> so there was a good amount of feedback
[02:21] <ogra> the feature will be there in any cqase
[02:22] <ogra> my prob atm is that openoffice is broken since weeks now and i cant even guess the real CD size
[02:23] <ogra> currently they are all about 30M oversized, but i dont know how much of that is openoffices fault and how much is real oversizedness
[02:24] <ogra> i'll do my best to get it fixed, but cant promise anything here
[02:24] <ogra> well, thats about it ...
[02:24] <ogra> any questions anyone ?
[02:25] <juliux_> yes, is the image from today bootable?
[02:25] <ogra> no idea
[02:25] <juliux_> ok
[02:25] <`6og> how long do bugs keep getting fixed for?
[02:25] <ogra> there was a kernel upload ... likely that there is something out of sync
[02:26] <juliux_> ogra, is there an other image i can download for testing?
[02:26] <ogra> but i havent tested it at all ...
[02:26] <ogra> juliux_, only the ones on cdimage.u.c
[02:26] <juliux_> hm ok
[02:27] <ogra> `6og, that totally depends :)
[02:27] <ogra> `6og, its a matter of severity and of the size of the fix
[02:28] <ogra> samll bugs will still get fixed after beta if the fixes are non intrusive
[02:28] <ogra> bigger ones if they are severe enough
[02:29] <`6og> :) gotcha
[02:29] <ogra> other questions ?
[02:30] <ogra> doesnt look like ...
[02:30] <ogra> going once
[02:30] <RichEd> ogra: what status do I look for in LP to confirm which features look likely to go in ?
[02:31] <ogra> RichEd, hmm, we'll need to go over that i set all that were not likely to get in to deferred at feature freeze, but didnt go over the rest yet
[02:31] <RichEd> okay ... when you have a chance thanks ...
[02:32] <RichEd> that's all
[02:33] <ogra> adjourned then :)
[02:33] <ogra> thanks everybody
[02:33] <RichEd> thanks ogra and others
[02:36] <`6og> adjourned = stopping, or pausing?
[02:38] <ogra> stopping
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ogra!
[02:39] <`6og> ok
[02:41] <ogra> Hobbsee, !
[03:42] <jjesse> @Detroit
[03:46] <jjesse> @time Detroit
[03:47] <juliux_> @schedule detroit
[03:47] <juliux_> jjesse, ;)
[03:47] <jjesse> ah thanks juliux_
[03:47] <jjesse> @schedule detroit
[03:50] <soren> That's odd.
[03:50] <soren> @schedule America/Detroit
[03:50] <soren> ?
[03:51] <soren> Ah, it /msg's them :)
[07:34] <kraut> moin
[07:35] <jjesse> moin