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asacs/dues/due/01:15
Ubulettei don't have a single issue tied to system nspr/nss01:16
asacUbulette: actually you don't have to deal with that release-fiddling if you want01:16
asacUbulette: have you tested with in source nss/nspr?01:16
asacUbulette: that doesn't matter ... we cannot overlay nss/nspr from main with more or less cvs snapshot in universe01:17
asaci have a bad feeling about pushing something like it01:17
asacnot talking about release manager ;)01:17
Ubuletteas you want.01:17
UbuletteI'm gonna retry my form. if i disappear, it's xgl01:19
asacUbulette: i can test that ;)01:19
asaci mean i can test the system-nss/nspr thing01:19
asacif you prefer to do that let me know01:19
asacUbulette: so do we want to rename the xulrunner package?01:20
asaci would prefer to name it xulrunner-1.9 ... not trunk01:20
Ubuletteit's already the name01:21
asacthe source package?01:21
Ubuletteyep01:21
asacah cool ... so you fixed that?01:22
UbuletteSource: xulrunner-1.901:22
Ubuletteno, since day 101:22
asacok ... then lets just adapt the branch names to reflect that .... and firefox-trunk => firefox-granparadiso or firefox-3.0 ?01:23
asacanything about branchnames/packagename you see not being consolidated/streamlined enough?01:28
Ubulettei don't like the -trunk in source package of nss/nspr (but we've discussed that in august)01:37
Ubulettetrunk as branch name for ff is ugly01:37
Ubulettegrandparadiso too01:38
Ubulettethose two should be mergeable to make our life easier01:38
Ubuletteso appname is an issue01:39
Ubuletteand I like minefield.. clearly says what it is01:39
asacyes ... read what i wrote above01:42
asacfirefox-3.0 is an option imo01:42
asacit would require one transition for gutsy users _now_ ... but better now than at some point ;)01:43
Ubulettei agree, better now than later01:44
asacso what can we still do for beta?01:44
Ubuletteso either we drop the minefields branding and switch to default (gp) for our dev01:45
Ubuletteor we keep two branches in parallel forever01:45
asaci think we could say: UNRELEASED uploads are minefield and gutsy uploads to ppa are at least a bit QAed so we can call it gp01:45
asacwe could then add a check in rules for the distribution in changelog01:46
asac(just an idea)01:46
asacthe package name would still be the same though01:46
asacall firefox-3.001:46
Ubulettewhy not just do post beta cvs ? like 3.0~a7+cvs01:47
asacyou mean to check if its minefield?01:47
Ubuletteinstead of 3.0~a8~cvs01:47
asachow did you get to that point in this conversation01:47
asaci mean is that still the same topic or am i just confused;)01:48
Ubulettelet's start with plain a8. we release it, then continue with a8+cvs01:48
Ubuletteinstead of with a9~cvs01:48
Ubuletteso it could still use appname gp01:48
asaci have no hard opinion on that ... except that selecting + in the version in gnome-terminal is a pain by double-clicking ;)01:48
Ubulettethen all our patches are good and easy to merge01:48
Ubulettebut it's still trunk between released01:49
Ubulettebut it's still trunk between releases01:49
asacUbulette: i don't understand how this version shift contributes to fix "so it could still use appname gp"01:49
Ubulettejust add + to the selection01:49
Ubuletteit's in prefs01:49
asaci see no difference01:49
asaceither we decide to ship any build as gp01:49
Ubuletteyes01:50
asac(branding)01:50
asacor we try to detect changelog what is gp and what is minefield ;)01:50
asacsomehow i like the latter more01:50
asacin any case, please explain to me how changing the version scheme we use contributes to this01:50
Ubulettetoday it's easy. mozilla/browser/config/version.txt tells us01:51
asacwhat is easy?01:51
Ubulettegp vs minefield01:51
asachow?01:51
asacpre?01:51
Ubulettem/pre/01:51
asaci don't like introspecting the upstream source from debian packaging better look at changelog with dpkg-parsechangelog01:53
asacwhy can't we just see if there is cvs in it? then use minefield01:53
asacotherwise gp?01:53
asacis there a difference?01:53
Ubulettei have to think about that. I'm tired and i have to get up very early :P01:56
asacanyway ... i am fine with both ... just consider dpkg-parsechangelog a bit cleaner as it would be more universal01:56
Ubulettemozclient will need something from upstream files01:57
asacUbulette: ok let me know in the morning... if i find a few minutes i would do abit and don't want to do something I don't know all ideas for ;)01:57
asacfor now its just firefox01:58
Ubulettesure. 'night02:05
mertikiasac : wow.. do you sleep sometimes?02:06
asacno ;)02:13
asacjust work + sport :)02:13
asacbut will be off now ;)02:14
mertikihehe02:20
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therealnanotubehello everyone. i notice that the firefox 2.0.0.7 signature was made using a different key than the one used for previous releases. is that as it should be? did mozilla start using a different key?06:01
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bluekujaasac: talked with mertiki?12:55
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asacbluekuja: yes. thanks.01:01
bluekujaasac: if you want me to upload that too, just ping ;)01:01
asacyes ... its not completely ready. mertiki wanted to improve it today based on my comments01:02
bluekujaasac: ok cool, let me know when we'll have a good package01:03
bluekuja:)01:03
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janimoUbulette_: hi, you mentioned having added libnspr4-dev as a dep of xulrunner-1.9-dev (it is needed) but it does not seem to be there in the package01:33
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bluekujaasac: you there?02:32
bluekujaasac: is ok to modify a makefile.am/in without a patch system?02:33
asachow?03:09
asacbluekuja: ?03:10
bluekujaasac: directly03:19
bluekujaasac: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9376568/rkward_0.4.7a-1ubuntu2.debidff03:19
bluekujaI told him to provide a patch03:19
bluekujafor it03:19
bluekujaasac; ?03:22
asacbluekuja: the makefile.in looks strange03:26
asac+#>- $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/rkward.desktop /usr/share/applications/rkward.desktop #>+ 103:26
asac??03:26
asacwhere is that from?03:26
bluekujadestdir missing03:26
asacno03:26
asacthats just crazy03:26
asaci mean it looks like it was once a patch03:26
asacnow its a makefile03:27
asac?03:27
bluekujammm...03:27
asacbluekuja: please apply the makefile.am ...and see how makefile.in looks like afterwards03:27
asacrerun automake for that03:27
bluekujalets see03:27
bluekujaasac: what should I check now'03:31
bluekujaasac: the final package with that debdiff was ok03:32
bluekujae.g it fixes the issues03:32
bluekujaasac: write me back when you get here again, I leave because I'm not feeling really good these days03:39
asacbluekuja: the diff of the Makefile.in03:41
cwong1asac: hi06:00
asachey06:01
cwong1asac: can u tell me how to have a static page as the start page again, please?06:01
cwong1I put the startpage in midbrowser/locales/en-us, right?    Do I access it using chrome://content/midbrowser/startpage.html?06:04
asaccwong1: hmm ... you can try it in location bar06:12
asacsorry ... i am completely busted atm, because of the freeze that will be lifted tomorrow morning06:15
cwong1atm?06:16
asacat the moment06:17
cwong1k06:17
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janimoasac, thanks for applying the nm autostart patch.07:56
janimodid you get a chance to look at the libgnome deps one?07:56
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Ubulette_hi08:04
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gnomefreakhow would i find the ip of my router?08:17
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gnomefreakthis one looks kind of weird but i guess ill try it08:19
Ubulettegnomefreak, http://www.findmyip.com/08:20
ubuntu-laptopty08:20
ubuntu-laptoplooking08:20
ubuntu-laptopthats not what im looking for :( but ty08:20
ubuntu-laptopi need ip of router not my pc ip08:21
ubuntu-laptoptrying to set up printing from laptop to pc with printer08:21
Ubuletteinternally or the ip you've got from your isp ?08:21
ubuntu-laptopit should be a 192.168 iirc08:22
ubuntu-laptopi cant remember the last xx.x numbers08:23
Ubuletteplenty of methods08:23
Ubuletteroute08:24
Ubuletteifconfig and look for the gateway08:24
Ubulettetraceroute something08:24
ubuntu-laptopgot it ty08:24
Ubuletteping -b your broadcast addr08:24
ubuntu-laptoplets see if it works :)08:25
Ubulettedepends on the router08:26
ubuntu-laptopi had it working years ago for 3 desktops in breezy but never for a laptop and its been 2 years since i had that set up08:27
ubuntu-laptopthan again maybe its not right08:28
ubuntu-laptopshit08:28
ubuntu-laptopit says it is here but nothing working in printer08:29
ubuntu-laptopshould i have restarted cups here08:29
ubuntu-laptoplooks as if that isnt right ip08:33
ubuntu-laptop192.168.0.x08:34
ubuntu-laptopnot sure what x is yet08:34
ubuntu-laptopim looking for the ip that you type in ff and it brings up router config08:37
janimoUbulette: xulrunner-1.9-dev still does not seem to depend on libnspr4-dev08:40
janimoalthough it includes headers form it08:41
Ubulettehmm. you're right. same for nss-dev I guess08:42
Ubulettegnomefreak, could you ask admin to drop everything in universe from our ppa?08:45
Ubulettewell, maybe not everything (iceape and co)08:45
ubuntu-laptopasac: asked the other day and i havent heard of an answer08:48
ubuntu-laptopUbulette: just bump the version and we will tell people to use main for the time being. feistys PPA i havent gotten to yet to move it to main08:49
ubuntu-laptopill ask again though see if i get answer08:50
Ubulettei dont want to add an epoch. we'll have to keep it forever. it's not worth it08:50
ubuntu-laptopi didnt want to either thats why i havent08:51
ubuntu-laptopbut atm there is no way for us to do it i asked kiko if admins can08:51
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ubuntu-laptopgod i need a new frigging laptop08:52
ubuntu-laptopno noone including admins can remove anything from PPA08:52
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ubuntu-laptopbrb checking on printer08:53
gnomefreakgrrrrrrrrrrr08:56
Ubulettelol,bug #13776708:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137767 in soyuz "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in PPA uploads closes Ubuntu bugs" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13776708:56
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ubuntu-laptopits a nice day so i wanted to do court paperwork outside and print inside butr noooooooo08:57
ubuntu-laptops/butr/but08:58
UbuletteBug #12812708:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128127 in soyuz "remove-package should work for PPAs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12812708:59
ubuntu-laptopUbulette: they were hinking with 1.9 release08:59
ubuntu-laptopor 1.1.9 whatever version it was08:59
ubuntu-laptopthat i heard weeks ago though08:59
ubuntu-laptopbut i think  1.1.9 was released this week already but i could be wrong09:01
tonyyarussonope09:04
ubuntu-laptopwasnt releeased?09:04
ubuntu-laptopreleased09:04
ubuntu-laptopor wasnt added to that milestone?09:04
tonyyarussowasn't released09:06
ubuntu-laptopanyone want to go into my office and see if the page printed? im tired of getting up and down09:06
ubuntu-laptopthey need to find a was of checking from remote spot09:07
ubuntu-laptops/was/way09:07
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ubuntu-laptopill be back on other pc in a bit09:10
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asacUbulette: gnomefreak: instead of bumping versions et al .... we want to rename the package09:21
gnomefreakasac: really rather name it something rather than adding a epoche to it09:22
gnomefreakmakes more sense to me that way09:22
gnomefreakwtf isnt firefox auto logging me into LP anymore09:22
asacwell epoch is not a problem either, but we wnat to rename anyway ... so09:22
Ubuletteasac, sorry, didn't have time this morning09:23
asacyeah ... i was busted anyway09:23
asachave to wait until after beta nwo09:23
gnomefreakis it possible to wait until release for 1.1.909:23
gnomefreaki would like to see if the remove is added than to make life simplier09:23
gnomefreakthan the rename isnt needed ;)09:24
gnomefreakhmmm ok good its fixed09:24
Ubulettewell, we can rename now anyway09:27
asacsure09:27
asacbut please choose the version wisely ;)09:27
asacxulrunner-1.9 ... firefox-3.0 ... is the way to go i guess09:27
gnomefreaki agree09:28
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Ubuletteshould we use ".ubuntu" inside branch names ?09:41
Ubuletteor are we completely out of the debian philosophy ?09:42
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Ubuletteasac, gnomefreak: what about this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/202680 ?09:47
gnomefreakwe cant have same name09:48
gnomefreakyou have trunk and gp as same name09:48
gnomefreakwe really need to fix dpi settings09:48
gnomefreakname them same as branch?09:49
gnomefreakhaving -trunk and -gp the same name is only gonna get confusing after a while09:50
Ubuletteexcept ff, why can't we use the same name for source names ?09:50
gnomefreakUbulette: are they the same?09:50
Ubuletteff is special because of the minefield branding09:51
gnomefreakis nss and nss-devel the same package?09:51
gnomefreaksorry nss and nss-trunk09:51
Ubulettenss.dev is just fresher than the released nss09:51
gnomefreakif nto same way would you name it the same09:51
gnomefreaks/nto/not09:51
UbuletteI mean, we work in *.dev, when it's ready, we push to non-dev and release09:52
gnomefreakonce its built how would determine what one is what?09:52
gnomefreakthey would have same source name-versiondates09:52
Ubulettejust looking at version and changelog09:52
gnomefreakUbulette: and once named the same would it have to be changed again at a later date or is it perm.09:53
Ubulettewhat do you mean ?09:53
gnomefreakUbulette: you and asac changed names of all sources alot in the past 2 weeks this is why we are changing them now. name them so they dont need to be changed again is what i suggest atm09:54
gnomefreakatelast trunk09:54
gnomefreakand gp09:54
Ubulettegnomefreak, today, source names are the same for the two nss branches, it's not a problem09:54
Ubuletteforget about firefox for now, think nss/nspr/xul09:55
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gnomefreakfirefox-3.0_trunk and firefox-3.009:56
gnomefreakwhat is wrong with keeping -trunk  or _trunk09:56
gnomefreakits always gonna be trunk until release than we dont need to worry about keeping it09:57
gnomefreakgp is gonna be gp/minefield until release09:57
gnomefreakthan with firefox-4.0 no versioning issues09:57
gnomefreakor 3.0.0.109:57
gnomefreakor whatever09:58
gnomefreakthis way you know what you are getting if its weekly updated or release only update09:58
gnomefreakor instead of using the ~ use a -09:59
gnomefreakthat will fix that issue as well09:59
Ubuletteasac, what's your view on all that ?10:00
gnomefreakbrb10:00
gnomefreakthink smart not hard or you will burn yourself out IMHO10:00
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JazzvaEvening... :)10:03
Ubulettehi10:03
JazzvaHow's it going? :)10:03
Jazzvaasac: You around?10:03
bluekujamertiki, heya10:04
mertikibluekuja : Hi!10:04
bluekujamertiki, news from your package?10:05
gnomefreakmy only point being is that me Ubulette and asac can tell the difference easy but end user isnt gonna see source so they need to beable to tell what one they have installed thats why i say leave -trunk or _trunk or something like that that will identify it for end users10:07
gnomefreakif they install trunk and gp they will see the same firefox-3.0.deb10:08
mertikibluekuja : Not yet, I uploaded the last lightning-extension-locales package to REVU and emailed Alex10:08
gnomefreakor nss.dsb for either package10:08
bluekujamertiki, cool10:08
bluekuja:)10:08
mertikibluekuja : I'm very proud of the work I did in that package :) The script is all automatic :D10:08
gnomefreakanyone have the dpi bug handy for gutsy?10:08
gnomefreaki cant remember what dir the change is needed in10:08
mertikignomefreak : the dpi bug handy effects are? Because I've two programs ( virtualBox and Hplip ) that have huge fonts10:09
bluekujamertiki, you rock10:09
bluekuja:)10:09
gnomefreakmertiki: mine are way too damn small10:09
Jazzvagnomefreak: That's in FF 2, right?10:10
mertikignomefreak : In my case, everything is OK except the two programs I spoke about10:10
mertikibluekuja : :D10:10
gnomefreakJazzva: my whole desktop10:10
gnomefreakits a xorg bug iirc10:10
Jazzvagnomefreak: Ouch... I've been having it in FF... the fonts are too small, even though everything is set to 10px... But the rest is fine...10:11
JazzvaGranparadiso has ok font size...10:11
mertikibluekuja : I'm working to do the same for the enigmail-locales, but I found a lot of problems. Asac really helped me around lightning-extension-locales script10:11
gnomefreakJazzva: im having the gutsy bug and i cant find the damn bug :(10:11
Jazzvagnomefreak: And does setting fonts to be bigger change anything?10:12
gnomefreakJazzva: what dir?10:12
Jazzvagnomefreak: dunno...10:12
bluekujamertiki, asac is a pro so you can learn everything you need from him :)10:13
gnomefreaki need the dpi corecct settings and the dir/file its in10:13
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gnomefreakclean feisty install upgrade to gutsy10:13
gnomefreaki had upgraded before the dpi bug surfaced so it didnt effect me10:14
mertikibluekuja : When he gave me his vision of what my lightning-extension-locale could be. Everything I though was " Yes, that's the ultimate all good solution " :P10:14
bluekujalol10:14
bluekuja:d10:14
bluekuja:D10:14
mertikibluekuja : So I learn a lot from him :)10:14
Jazzvagnomefreak: But shouldn't it effect everyone? We all get the same updates :).10:14
gnomefreakJazzva: i dont know why it didnt effect upgrade <maybe because it was a --dont-overwrite? unless you go from version x to version z?10:15
gnomefreaki dont know why it never got to me before10:15
gnomefreakfff2 always had smaller fonts for me but this is first desktop has done it10:15
gnomefreakff2 even10:15
Jazzvagnomefreak: Yeah, that sounds reasonable...10:15
JazzvaSo, you need the config file for that setting?10:16
mertikibluekuja : I think that it's pretty late to add packages to Gutsy, when does new Gutsy updates are Freezes? At the BetaFreeze?10:16
gnomefreakyes10:16
gnomefreakim fairly sure its should be around 96-98dpi but cant remember10:16
gnomefreakthe file and the settins are on the bug iirc10:16
gnomefreakbug 13970010:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139700 in xorg "dpi setting incorrect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13970010:17
bluekujamertiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule10:17
Jazzvagnomefreak: Hmm, my xorg.conf doesn't containt the mentioned settings...10:20
gnomefreakmine either10:20
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Ubulette_damn, lost synchro 12min :(10:23
mertikibluekuja : thanks ( I should need to read sometimes :) )10:23
bluekujamertiki, np10:24
mertikibluekuja : did you see asac today?10:24
bluekujamertiki, this morning yes10:24
Jazzvagnomefreak: Have you tried setting the DisplaySize?10:25
Ubulette_1h ago too10:25
gnomefreakbug 14054010:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14054010:25
gnomefreakjano brb10:25
mertikiit would be great if I can have is comments on the last package I uploaded, it's maybe the "real" one :)10:25
gnomefreakJazzva: no brb10:25
asacmertiki: hi10:26
mertikihi asac!10:26
mertikihow are you :)10:26
asachard day ;)10:26
mertikiasac : yeah for me too10:27
JazzvaEvening, asac :)10:27
asacoh Jazzva is back :)10:27
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JazzvaPretty much... *jumps_around*10:27
mertikiasac : if you have time, I uploaded my latest update to the lightning-extension-locales to REVU10:28
Jazzvaasac, is it too late/too hard to start implementing that isUserAdmin check in ubugox?10:28
asacJazzva: no ... its just too late for beta10:28
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asacJazzva: but we can add that afterwards10:28
gnomefreakok now fonts are bigger in terminal looks almost goos10:28
gnomefreakgood10:28
asacJazzva: the trick is to sell this change as a bug-fix  ... not a new feature ;)10:29
Jazzvaasac: We can :)? I thought it's not possible to implement new features in current version after beta freeze...10:29
Jazzva*lol* Oh, that...10:29
asacits a bug10:29
asacusers that cannot install packagse, shouldn't10:29
JazzvaI get it...10:29
mertikiasac : I'm here for a while, you can speak to me at anytime, if I don't answer, I'll see your message once I come back10:29
gnomefreaknow ff fonts are woo damn big just a little too big but fixable10:29
Jazzvagnomefreak: See if this is useful... http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#.2Fetc.2FX11.2Fxorg.conf10:30
asacmertiki: you have a direct link?10:30
asacto your revu upload?10:30
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mertikiasac: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=26510:30
JazzvaOk, dinner time... BBL...10:30
gnomefreaksorry Jazzva seee if what is usefull10:30
Jazzvagnomefreak: Well, there's a part about setting dpi...10:31
JazzvaOh... you left the channel :)10:31
gnomefreakwhere?10:31
Jazzvagnomefreak: This http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#.2Fetc.2FX11.2Fxorg.conf10:31
gnomefreakty10:31
Jazzvano problem :)...10:32
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asacmertiki: are the res-files shipped? or are those just temporary files?10:38
mertikiasac : what do you mean by shipped? When you run the regen-package.sh, they all are overwrited by autogenerated ones10:39
asacwhat would happen when you remove the res-files folder at the end of regen- ?10:39
mertikiwhich line ?10:40
asaclast line :)10:40
asacthose are created during regen-package.sh, right?10:41
mertikiOk, what would happen if I remove the res-files? The package won't build. these files are the files used to build the package10:41
asacso you probably can remove them10:41
asaclet me look again ;)10:41
mertikiasac : of course :)10:41
mertikiasac : actually, regen-package.sh creates all these so the package can be built. It's just one step away from the all-automatic-rules-file10:42
mertikiasac : but I wanted to speak to you before that step10:42
asacmertiki: so what is your idea?10:42
mertikiasac : I almost don't know anything about rules file and I can't get to clearly know if including the content of the regen-package.sh into the rules file can be done and if it's a real good idea, I think that's what you talked about yeaterday right?10:44
asacyeah i think so10:45
gnomefreakresolution:    126x121 dots per inch is whats wrong10:45
mertikiasac : actually, it's still very simple, people just needs to upgrade the lightning XPI file and the Langlist.text to upgrade the whole package in one step10:45
Ubulettegnomefreak, ati ?10:45
gnomefreaknvidia10:45
Ubulettewhich driver ?10:45
gnomefreakhave to figure out how to change that value10:45
gnomefreak-glx-new10:46
mertikiasac : Now, does including the regen-package.sh into the rules file will causes problems? What if we want to modify something by hand after?10:46
asacmertiki: i will come back to you ;)10:47
asacin a few minutes10:47
mertikiasac : np10:47
asachave to do something right now :)10:47
mertikiok :)10:47
asacmertiki: you don't know anything about makefiles?10:53
mertikiasac : so basic things, I learn very quickly, but I think that I'm better in c++ and PHP that I'm in simple makefiles yet10:54
Ubuletteasac, did you comment on my branch exchange with gnomefreak ? (got disconnected for +10min)10:54
mertikiasac : by reading doc and exploring existing makefiles, I would learn a lot very quickly10:55
gnomefreakUbulette: i didnt see you change anything10:55
asacUbulette: no ... sorry10:55
gnomefreakUbulette: i wouldnt get it in email since its not set up atm10:55
asacUbulette: when was that?10:55
gnomefreakoh that topic10:55
gnomefreakasac: not naming trunk and gp the same10:56
gnomefreakkeep trunk in name for trunk10:56
Ubulettegnomefreak, I didn't. just wanted to see what everyone has to say 1st10:56
gnomefreakff-3.0-trunk or something10:56
gnomefreakUbulette: i thought that was for me but it was for asac10:56
mertikiasac : Since now, do you think it would be a good idea to add regen-package.sh into the rules file?10:57
Ubuletteasac, between 21:47 and 22:0010:57
=== gnomefreak having issues of own please keep me informed on the changes to naming scheme ty
=== Jazzva is back
asacmertiki: let me do something11:00
mertikiasac : ok11:01
asacUbulette: ok what will happen to your current .dev branches?11:01
asacfor nss/nspr11:01
UbuletteI can pull that back to my own space as you never seemed interested by those 2 too edgy11:03
asacUbulette: ok ... whatever you want11:11
Ubuletteno comment about http://pastebin.mozilla.org/202680 ?11:14
Ubuletteasac ^^11:14
Ubulettei'm surprised...11:14
asacUbulette: is there an easter-egg hidden?11:18
mertikiasac : according to the changes that I did into that package in the last days, to you like what I made?11:19
Ubuletteasac, so you like it that way ? no opposition ?11:20
Ubulettethe ff branding is still unclear11:21
asacUbulette: ist mostly what we discussed yesterady11:22
asacUbulette: unless nss/nspr implies that we ship those in official gutsy ... i am fine with it11:22
Ubuletteshould we drop minefield branding and use a unique appname instead of our current two (meaning we'll no longer be able to install/run both at the same time)11:22
asacUbulette: when i look at that paste its obvious imo ... there won't be two different binary packages installable at the same time of firefox-3.0 series11:23
asaceither you use gutsy ... or you use ppa ... or you use your archive11:23
Ubulettefor nss/nspr, I assume that by ff 3.0 (in 1 or 2 months) they will be released upstream11:23
asacyes, but not in time for gutsy11:23
asacffox is january i guess11:24
Ubulettei bet on november11:26
asacthat would be a astonishing ...11:26
mertikiasac : in few minutes, I'll be gone for 1 or 2 hours11:28
asacmertiki: ok11:28
asacmertiki: we probably have to wait till after betwa freeze anyway11:29
Ubuletteasac, in update manager, ff 2.0.0.6+2-0u4 reads "This is a build of a random development version (aka trunk). It is ment for preview and not for production use. "11:29
mertikiasac : to upload the language packs?11:29
Jazzvaasac: what's the changes I need to do if I want to submit a package to debian? Do I need to make a debian chroot? unstable?11:30
Jazzva*what're11:31
Ubuletteasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Update-manager.png11:33
mertikiasac : I'm gone, but I'll read every message you'll write me when I'll come back11:38
asacUbulette: thanks11:40
asacUbulette: apparently nobody reads that ;)11:41
asacit has been in there since gutsy ;)11:41
asacnobody complained11:42
asacinteresting11:42
gnomefreaki thought we got rid of that or did i just remove it from iceape11:46
gnomefreakhmm it is still there11:47
=== gnomefreak wonders why noone remembers this damn bug
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Ubulettewell well well, rename or not rename. asac seems ok, gnomefreak disagreed. not a strong consensus..12:10
gnomefreakim worried about end-users i can care less for us12:11
gnomefreaktrying to keep end-users from being confused. same name == same package to them12:11
=== gnomefreak knows by branch name so for us im not worried
gnomefreakthey will only see the packages being installed12:12
asacgnomefreak: which end-users?12:12
gnomefreakthe ones that use PPA12:12
asacgnomefreak: and whats the problem for them?12:12
gnomefreakor if you rename for gutsy as well12:12
asacgnomefreak: PPA users sometimes have to accept sufferage12:13
asacif everything was perfect we wouldn't upload to PPA ;)12:13
gnomefreakasac: if we are using trunk in gutsy repo and you also rename gutsys gp its gomma confuse the hell out of people12:13
gnomefreakor is gutsy name for gp staying different?12:13
asacbetter confuse them now, than after a full release cycle12:13
asacgnomefreak: at some point we have to rename firefox-granparadiso12:14
asacbetter now than after a full release, where all the universe users that run latest stable get confused by a rename12:14
gnomefreakif you have PPA version named firefox-3.0 and the one in gutsy repo being firefox-3.0 we are gonna have issues im sure with nss nspr depends if the user is just looking not thinking12:14
asacgnomefreak: ?12:15
gnomefreakonly difference would be the -mt12:15
asacgnomefreak: thats not a problem xulrunner in gutsy universe will not use system-nspr/nss for various reasons12:15
gnomefreakwhat do you plan on naming firefox-gp in gutsy repo?12:15
asactransition to firefox-3.012:15
gnomefreakok xulrunner than12:15
gnomefreakasac: keep ppa and official repos with differnet names12:16
asacwhy?12:16
asacthats not reasonable imo12:16
gnomefreakyou really dont want to name them the same asac think about what kind of idiots use ubuntu12:16
gnomefreakif you forget join #ubuntu12:16
gnomefreak;)(12:16
asacthe cleanest approach is to project the development of upstream in a single release line12:16
asacthis means *all* packages have the same name12:16
asacits just that the version in changelog differs12:17
=== gnomefreak wouldnt mind dropping firefox-gp from PPA TBH since atm its not doing anything
gnomefreakuse trunk for feistya nd gutsy12:17
asacgnomefreak: see ... the point is: we need just one package12:17
asacppa has more fine grained releases12:17
gnomefreakbut i dont think the names should be simular because they report bug on PPA with wroing xulrunner cuase all kindds of wasted time for usa12:18
asacso people that want that can use just that12:18
gnomefreakus12:18
asacif they don't want to use that anymore, they just drop ppa line and on next gutsy update they will be back in safe-place12:18
gnomefreakif we had xulrunner 1.9 in repos i could care less TBH since than it would work12:18
asacgnomefreak: i don't think its a problem12:18
asacwe want bug reports on our preview packages as well12:18
asacat least for ppa releases12:19
gnomefreaknot on LP we dont12:19
asacnot atm, but in future12:19
asacwould make sense12:19
gnomefreakasac: than the packages for sure would need differnet names12:19
asacits the same package ... we do these preview releases to get feedback ... why fear that they file bugs in LP ?12:19
asacgnomefreak: why?12:19
asacthere is no reason12:19
asacjust use same bug db12:20
asacas we use same package name12:20
gnomefreakasac: how many people triage our bugs and dont know wtf they are doing12:20
gnomefreakthey close bugs that we need open why the hell do we want to go behind people checking12:20
asacbut i don't think that this is an argument on the current topic12:21
asacwhat does that have to do with using same name in ppa/gutsy12:21
gnomefreakits gonna cause un needed bullshit IMHO but please name it as you wish, im only trying to advoid future issues since i deal with the morons on a daily basis12:21
asacas always there will be a bit confusion in the beginning12:22
gnomefreakwhen someone asks how to install packages on gutsy it makes me think of how smart people really are not12:22
asacafter some time, things will just work as usual ... thats usually the case12:22
asacand remember that we make things simpler by unifying the package name12:22
gnomefreakafter the 1st part of confusion than we do something else to add to it12:22
gnomefreakand so on12:22
=== gnomefreak trying to advoid changing the name again as well
asacbut that will always be the case12:22
gnomefreakavoid*12:23
gnomefreakok picture your on gutsy12:23
asaci mean ... things go on ... while the first problem gets solve a new arrives et al12:23
gnomefreakyou install firefox3.0.deb from official repos12:23
gnomefreakthan you see PPA and install xulrunner and firefox-3.0.deb12:23
gnomefreakwhat is gonna happen?12:23
asacwhy?12:24
gnomefreakasac: people will do it12:24
asacif i am on final gutsy, i just run12:24
gnomefreaki can promise that12:24
asacapt-get install firefox-3.012:24
asacthat will come from universe12:24
asacif people as on forums for more bleeding edge builds12:24
gnomefreakasac: you are now using xulrunner 1.812:24
asacthey might be pointed to PPA12:24
asacotherwise those are people that we ask to verify a fix, et al12:24
asacgnomefreak: well xulrunner-1.9 will be installed12:24
gnomefreaknow you install from PPA what is gonna happen? will firefox-3.0 be removed or will it complain it cant install it its already installed12:25
gnomefreakasac: when was this? i thought that was for heron?12:25
asacgnomefreak: if a user decides to use our PPA ... he will just upgrade to the latest we have12:25
asacaround the official release date this should be pretty much the same that will be in official ... in between there might be changes like new development, etc12:26
gnomefreakif using the same name there is no upgrade unless we leave the dates attached and forget dates for official packages?12:26
asacgnomefreak: yes ... but thats the way it works ... versioning must provide a nice upgrade path12:26
gnomefreakasac: IMHO if we want it in lets get it in so we can gt bugs worked out of it12:26
gnomefreaksince we have to deal with a shit load of packages depending on it12:26
asacthats what we are doing12:27
gnomefreakasac: we dont have anything that depends on xulrunner atm12:27
asacyes, thats the plan12:27
gnomefreakeverything depending on firefox atm should be depending on xulrunner instead (whole point of adding it as i recall)12:27
asacbring firefox-3.0 with xulrunner-1.9 to gutsy12:27
asacPPA will receive regular updates in between, with a version that allows them to upgrade to next official as well12:28
gnomefreakepiphany -desktop packages and so on will depend on xulrunner instead of firefox12:28
asacin gutsy+112:28
gnomefreakwhat happened for gutsy?12:28
asacbut bring it in gutsy now, so people can develop against it12:28
gnomefreakwas it pushed off?12:28
asacand bring their packages in shape12:28
gnomefreakthought the point was for gutsy12:28
gnomefreakthats why it was talked about during feisty devel12:29
asacright from the beginning of heron dev cycle12:29
asacgnomefreak: no epiphany et al will stay on firefox for guty12:29
gnomefreakthan i missed the meeting that it was deffered at12:29
asache?12:29
asacwhat was planned?12:30
asaci dont understand12:30
gnomefreakit was supposed to be in gutsy that i had heard as plannd during one of the meetings in feisty devel cycle12:30
asacwell ... talk is cheap12:30
asacprobably they assumed that it would be ready by now12:30
asacbut its not12:30
gnomefreakfor gutsy packages to depend on xulrunner so they are not installing 2 browsers to get one12:30
asacthats not done12:31
gnomefreakwhats wrong with it for xulrunner 1.8?12:31
asacbut that was clear right from the beginning12:31
asacfirefox cannot be build against it12:31
gnomefreak?12:31
asac1.8 is not yet ready12:31
gnomefreak2.0 cant be?12:31
gnomefreakah ok12:31
asac1.9 is the first that is good enough to build firefox against it12:32
gnomefreakbut ff2.0 cant build against it can it?12:32
asacyou can look from both directions, right12:32
gnomefreakim assuming xulrunner 1.9 has something to do with gecko1.912:32
gnomefreakand 1.8 gecko 1.812:33
gnomefreaki would think if xulrunner is using gecko 1.9 ff 2.0 cant build on it since ff2.0 is gecko 1.812:33
Ubulettecorrect12:36
gnomefreakanyway i have more important things to take care of (court papaers) please name it as you wish12:37
asacme shivers in fear12:37
asaci just uploaded the network-manager bomb ;)12:38
Ubulettegasp12:38
Ubulette:)12:38
Ubuletteso, should I keep .ubuntu. in branch names too ?12:38
Ubulettehmm. how are feisty/gutsy nss/nspr managed today (I see no branch)12:40
Ubuletteasac ?12:40
Ubulettebehind that, the question is, should nspr branch be called nspr-4.7 like ff and xul ?12:41
Ubulettein opposition to the current (released) 4.6 (4.6.6-3)12:42
Ubuletteno strong feeling here as 1/ no existing branch of 4.6 and 2/ nspr is not installed with a version12:43
Ubuletteall the same for nss12:43
asacUbulette: today nss/nspr are synched from debian12:51
asacUbulette: and no ... nspr should aim to be a lib, so we want a sonamed binary package name12:51
asacok if your network is down tomorrow, then i am the one to blame :)12:52
asacifupdown uploaded12:52
asacgood thing is that people without net have no voice ;)12:53
mertikiasac : I'm currently working on enigmail-locales too so I would need to know if you want me to build something very similar for enigmail-locales than what I made for lightning-extension-locales ( regen-package.sh )12:55
asacmertiki: no ... not before gutsy final12:57
asacmertiki: we shouldn't stress things too much at this point of cycle12:57
mertikiasac : So I just change the XPIRegFiles to something like langpack-ca-CA@enigmail and that's all?12:58
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asacmertiki: you want to migrate directories? or just add new .xpis?01:00
gnomefreakare we planing on fixing bugs in tbird 1.5.0.13?01:02
gnomefreakstupid little annoying bugs01:02
asacunless they are regressions ... i don't think so01:02
mertikiasac : I already added some XPI and removed some to keep the ones that works under Thunderbird 2, but I don't know if you remember but two language pack currently have the same ThunderbirdRegKey name so they are overwriting each other. You proposed me to fix that using langpack-ca-CA@enigmail and not {847b3a00-7b61-11d4-8f02-006008948af5}01:02
gnomefreakno its the link issue for extensions01:03
gnomefreakit was there in 2.0 and we fix it but not for 1.501:03
asacmertiki: ok, but please do that just for one locale01:03
asacmertiki: at best fix the locale that is new01:03
asacgnomefreak: link issue for extensions?01:04
=== gnomefreak wonders how to curse you if network is down
mertikiasac : no problem, I'll do it like you tell me to01:04
gnomefreakasac: bug 14098001:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140980 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird extensions directs you to firefox addons" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14098001:04
gnomefreakits fixed in 2.001:04
asacgnomefreak: anything else?01:05
gnomefreakso far thats all ive seen01:05
gnomefreakim going through email atm01:05
Ubuletteasac, they've patched cairo sources for some glyphs. definitely not good to bring with-system-cairo back01:05
asaci am willing to do a sru at some poing, but we should find more nasty bugs that are easy to fix if possible01:06
asacUbulette: wow01:06
Ubulettemozilla bug 36268201:06
ubotuMozilla bug 362682 in GFX: Thebes "Some Unicode characters are no longer displayed with certain fonts (e.g. Arial)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36268201:06
gnomefreakok ill explain for now and see what else we have01:06
Ubuletteasac, it's not even protected by a moz ifdef :(01:07
asacUbulette: that looks bad ... is this a defintiency in cairo api or just lazy moz devs?01:07
asacUbulette: well ... actually thats better for us, because they look more like they might be suitable for upstream inclusion01:08
asacupstream==cairo01:08
gnomefreakwhat is the needtester tag?01:09
gnomefreaki thought mt-needtesters01:09
Ubuletteasac, comment 13: "his patch makes an assumptiont that we don't use our own font prefs and that01:10
Ubulettewe use fontconfig instead which i think we're going to go with.01:10
Ubulette"01:10
gnomefreakah i had 2 s' that i shouldnt have01:10
Ubulettegod, I have 9999 emails in my mailbox01:11
gnomefreakasac: another easy fix is bug 11929101:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119291 in thunderbird "thunderbird 2.0 should use a local startpage" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11929101:12
gnomefreakfor 1.5.0.13 atleast fixed for gutsy so im assuming feistys has issue as well01:12
gnomefreaki dont have a way to test atm01:12
mertikiasac : do you want me to modify the addNewXPI.sh from enigmail-locales to work inside the debian/script folder?01:15

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