[01:18] <MythbuntuGuest73> an apt-get update fixed the problem
[01:18] <MythbuntuGuest73> installing now
[01:19] <keescook> superm1_: you bet, thanks for collecting and testing those fixes.
[01:19] <superm1_> keescook, for some reason or another lirc has been a fun pet package to pick up :)
[01:19] <[_Trimble_] > hi all
[01:19] <[_Trimble_] > :)
[01:19] <keescook> superm1_: yeah, I know what you mean.  :)
[01:22] <[_Trimble_] > sigh.  trying to install from the 7.10 ISO again... failing to even load the liveCD... sigh
[01:34] <[_Trimble_] > sigh... if I click Install Proprietary Video Driver during install, the installer locks up.
[01:34] <[_Trimble_] > even after i freshly burned a new disc from the iso :(
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[01:37] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I am in coder hell...vbscript and SIDs
[01:38] <foxbuntu> :P
[01:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug 137167 | [_Trimble_] 
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[01:39] <tgm4883_laptop> you would think I would know that bug number off the top of my head by now
[01:39] <[_Trimble_] > hehehe thank you.  at least I know it's not my fault ;)
[01:41] <[_Trimble_] > what is the silicon dust HDHomerun config util?  is that for some specific hardware?
[01:41] <[_Trimble_] > I dont have any hardware by silicon dust...
[01:41] <[_Trimble_] > or is that software for configuring something i migh thave?
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> its for a tuner
[01:46] <[_Trimble_] > ok good - i dont have that one
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> if you dont have it then get it :P
[01:50] <[_Trimble_] > lol  i assume it's for HD.. i dont have any HD displays yet :P
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have a computer monitor?
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> booya, probably HD
[01:50] <[_Trimble_] > yeah, but I'm not going to use it for my mythtv watching in the family room ;)
[01:51] <[_Trimble_] > i can't justify the cost of HD still
[02:22] <[_Trimble_] > ok, I need to put ndiswrapper on this box... can I do that with just apt-get install ndiswrapper?  or should i do apt get update/upgrade first?
[02:41] <Tari> just installing ndiswrapper should work
[02:42] <[_Trimble_] > thx :)
[02:42] <[_Trimble_] > im using it's onboard wired lan to setup, plan to switch back to wireless when it's driver is in place :)
[02:45] <[_Trimble_] > hi guest
[02:47] <[_Trimble_] > hi tari
[02:49] <ian_001> does anyone know the correct command to do a full upgrade?
[02:49] <ian_001> i have the release from the 11th and just tried ot upgrade my nvidia drivers and now they dont work because they require the latest kernel i guess
[02:52] <MythbuntuGuest69> hi!
[02:52] <MythbuntuGuest69> I just had the nvidia problem
[02:52] <MythbuntuGuest69> had to apt-get update first
[02:53] <Tari_> yeah, that
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest69> are ivtv drivers installed? having a hard time getting my pvr-350 working
[02:57] <tgm4883> ian_001, apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[03:00] <ian_001> should i do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <MythbuntuGuest92> no!!
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest92> just do apt-get update
[03:01] <ian_001> good thing i asked, i was about to!
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest92> then run the control panel thingie
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest92> it fixed the error that the file was not found
[03:02] <ian_001> restricted-manager or something?
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest92> the control center
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest92> you have to change the logon type
[03:03] <ian_001> reboot first?
[03:03] <tgm4883> ian_001, feisty or gutsy?
[03:04] <ian_001> the mythbuntu install from sept 1
[03:04] <ian_001> so the latest
[03:04] <tgm4883> you may want to try a dist-upgrade
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest92> Sorry,
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest92> I thought you had a different problem
[03:05] <tgm4883> although I don't know if that will fix your problem, as a regular apt-get upgrade should pull the package your looking for
[03:06] <MythbuntuGuest92> I downloaded the image tonight and installed it. The nvidia driver would not install until I did an update.
[03:06] <ian_001> because the previous driver wasnt there?
[03:06] <ian_001> thats hte problem i had
[03:06] <ian_001> i uninstalled just the nvidia driver and whe ni went to reinstall it it was gone
[03:07] <tgm4883> what do you mean it is gone?
[03:07] <ian_001> when i went to install the nvidia driver from the restricted mmanager it shoewd me the url and it couldnt download the file, i opened a browser and the file didnt exist on the server
[03:08] <ian_001> said it couldnt
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest92> now, finally got pvr-350 working. last obsticle is lirc! No remote for me yet...
[03:08] <ian_001> ugh
[03:08] <ian_001> this always happens when i do na upgrade
[03:08] <ian_001> the remote never works
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest92> that is the same problem that I had
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest92> i did the apt-get update
[03:08] <ian_001> i knew i shouldnt have played with the nvidia driver
[03:09] <ian_001> did you try using the mythbuntu config application?
[03:09] <ian_001> rebooting, brb
[03:09] <MythbuntuGuest92> remote never works?
[03:10] <MythbuntuGuest92> What did he mean by that I wonder?
[03:11] <tgm4883> i suppose he meant that every time he touches his video card driver it breaks his lirc
[03:15] <ian_001> ok now both my remote and my nvidia driver work
[03:15] <[_Trimble_] > @#$@#$  nvidia drivers broke my machine....  :(
[03:15] <[_Trimble_] > lol
[03:15] <ian_001> what worked for me was apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[03:16] <ian_001> i thought my remote would break during the process but im fine
[03:16] <[_Trimble_] > nice :)
[03:17] <[_Trimble_] > I'm using the 7.10 mythbuntu iso, and I just asked it to install the "nvidia latest" drivers, and X broke.  /sigh  In my test rig i used the non-latest.. heh
[03:17] <ian_001> did yo utry the update?
[03:18] <[_Trimble_] > yeah
[03:18] <MythbuntuGuest92> Is there an easy way to get the remote working on a fresh install? It is a Hauppage remote
[03:18] <[_Trimble_] > before i asked it to install the nvidia drivers
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest92> nevermind!
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest92> apparently I just needed to install my old lircrc file
[03:19] <[_Trimble_] > well, my hauppage 150 silver remote worked immediately after install using the 7.10 iso
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest92> mine is kinda working now
[03:20] <[_Trimble_] > mine worked perfectly on my test HD, except i had to edit the config to get the back/exit button working
[03:21] <[_Trimble_] > now i'm trying to put the same config on my real HD and it's being a pain
[03:23] <MythbuntuGuest92> yeah, that is the button that is broken on mine.
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #140841 in mythtv (multiverse) "package mythtv-transcode-utils 0.20.2-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/mythtranscode', that is also on package mythtv-backend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140841
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest92> glad I remembered to back up my highly modificated lircrc!!
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest92> anyone remember how to make the ok/enter button go to a channel from the guide?
[03:38] <[_Trimble_] > wait, what?
[03:38] <[_Trimble_] > change ok/enter?
[03:39] <[_Trimble_] > i forgot what file i edited to fix my back/exit button heh
[03:42] <MythbuntuGuest92> I got that
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest92> the lircrc mane did not match the lirc.conf name
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest92> the volume names were screwy too
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest92> only thing I dod not get working tonight is the DVD.
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest92> There is a setting in the guide settings where it changes the function of the ok button while in guide to make it change channels. I found it
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest92> otherwise the ok button goes to record settings
[03:46] <MythbuntuGuest92> heading to bed! Thanks to anyone involved in making MU. It is WAY easier than doing it from scratch like last time
[03:59] <[_Trimble_] > good LORD how much data does it download from schedules direct the first time?  20 weeks worth?
[04:12] <superm1_> tgm4883, that screenshot you posted, its fixed in ubiquity already
[04:12] <superm1_> after alpha4
[04:13] <superm1_> laga, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy-lum.git;a=commit;h=435c10811fc81d371a1ac385d4a9be590f9a1861 :)
[04:13] <superm1_> this looks promissing
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, screen shot?
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> oh the ubiquity crash?
[04:34] <FatDave> wow.  i'm on the site.  Just found out about "mythbuntu" Its a really cool idea.
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks FatDave
[04:35] <FatDave> first question: is it going to support cards like hauppauge out of the box?
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> well most of the support will come from Gutsy
[04:36] <FatDave> thats what I was thinking, but haven't looked at gutsy yet.  do you know if it has support for the ivtv drivers built in?
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[04:36] <FatDave> tit banger!  thats the one thing that pained me so every time that I installed mythtv on a fresh box
[04:37] <FatDave> I see that mythbuntu isn't "official" yet, but I assume it is good enough to install?
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> well, there are a few bugs
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> but it is usable
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, whats the time frame for the beta?
[04:38] <FatDave> I also just found out about zap2it after seeing that there are no more channel listings in myth :(
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> There is Schedules Direct though :)
[04:41] <FatDave> yeah, but you have to pay
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, it's only $15/6 months
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but to each his own
[04:42] <[_Trimble_] > yeah, 15 bucks for 6 months is wayyyyy better than tivo ;)
[04:42] <FatDave> i know.  i'm just hoping that there will be enough of an outcry
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> an outcry for what?
[04:42] <FatDave> how does winblows media center work?  do you have to pay for channel listings or something with that?
[04:43] <FatDave> outcry for another free tv listing service
[04:43] <tgm4883_laptop> well there are screenscraper programs
[04:43] <FatDave> i hear they don't work the best
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> they dont
[04:44] <FatDave> may not be accurate or something.  never tried them though
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> but I wouldn't hold your breath for another free service
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> You could also either get data OTA, or go without channel data
[04:44] <FatDave> well, i am will be watching the progress with mythbuntu.  I think its very cool
[04:50] <[_Trimble_] > <-- lurking...   good night
[05:12] <MythbuntuGuest11> hello all
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[05:12] <MythbuntuGuest11> any reason why alpha4 nvidia does not sync with my monitor
[05:12] <MythbuntuGuest11> if that makes sense
[05:13] <MythbuntuGuest11> livecd
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> what card?
[05:13] <Aval0n-> how is libXvMC.so.1 in comparison to libXvMCNVIDIA.dynamic.so.1?
[05:13] <Aval0n-> anyone?
[05:13] <MythbuntuGuest11> geforce 6150 integrated
[05:13] <MythbuntuGuest11> asus m2npv-vm
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> it should
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> did you verify the iso and cd?
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest11> yes
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest11> burnt twice
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest11> I have a samsung 22" lcd
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> my 6100 gets picked up fine, although it only does 1024x768 on my tv in the live env
[05:15] <MythbuntuGuest11> hmmm
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> tried analog and digital
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> so you can't even get into the live env?
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> no
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> i guess
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> i could
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> did you try safe graphics mode?
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> alt+f2 to get to a term
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> and check xorg.conf
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> yes
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest11> I am running knoppmyth on the same box right now
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, you around?
[05:17] <superm1> whats up tgm4883?
[05:17] <superm1> whats up tgm4883_laptop ?
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> when is the beta going to be released
[05:18] <superm1> Tonight
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest11> sweet
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> what time?
[05:18] <superm1> lol
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest11, don't count on it
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest11> hehe
[05:18] <superm1> <-- Foxbuntu
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu is playing a dirty trick
[05:18] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest11> i figured that out when he changed nicks
[05:19] <MythbuntuGuest11> hehe
[05:19] <therealfoxbuntu> tgm4883 is the coolest
[05:19] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:19] <therealfoxbuntu> way cooler than I
[05:19] <foxbuntu> too slow, I witched back
[05:19] <foxbuntu> switched
[05:19] <therealfoxbuntu> nope, your an imposter, im the real foxbuntu
[05:19] <foxbuntu> besides everyone knows I am the l337'est
[05:20] <therealfoxbuntu> you may be delusional
[05:21] <MythbuntuGuest11> no one else has had a sync prob?
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> I do think that the beta will be released this week, if everything that superm1 wanted to happen did in fact happen
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry mythbuntuguest11
[05:21] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, yea...likely...went to the doc yesterday and well..he gave me some really good stuff
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> of course he did
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> no one ever goes to the doc and says that they got really weak stuff
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> just remember if it lasts longer than 4 hours you need to see a medical professional
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> j/k
[05:23] <foxbuntu> really...I just thought it was supposed to be like that
[05:23] <foxbuntu> shit
[05:23] <foxbuntu> its been 10 hours
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, you use mythbuntu right?
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have screen blanking issues?
[05:25] <foxbuntu> I used to
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> what did you do :)
[05:25] <foxbuntu> ..
[05:25] <foxbuntu> I gotta think about it
[05:26] <foxbuntu> it was some stupid setting
[05:26] <foxbuntu> wow traffic still going up
[05:28] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, you running an nVidia card?
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[05:28] <foxbuntu> oh are you running a desktop install or the actual Mythbuntu?
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbutnu
[05:28] <foxbuntu> oh...mine is desktop
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll try anything
[05:28] <foxbuntu> becuase I have just kept upgrading
[05:29] <foxbuntu> my issue was related to running a desktop install
[05:29] <foxbuntu> its your power settings
[05:29] <foxbuntu> and something about the tv
[05:30] <foxbuntu> dpms i think
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> i've been messing around with that for a while now
[05:30] <foxbuntu> i think you can disable it in the xorg
[05:34] <foxbuntu> i have the DPMS line commented out in my Xorg
[05:34] <foxbuntu> in section Monitor
[05:45] <itzac> how do I disable gnome-screensaver?
[05:45] <superm1_> itzac, gnome-screensaver-preferences
[05:45] <itzac> great, thanks superml. figured it'd be something like that
[05:46] <superm1_> itzac, next alpha it should be in the xfce menus once we activate xfce
[05:47] <itzac> good to hear, though I'm surprised it's enabled in the first place
[05:47] <superm1_> well it makes sense on tvs
[05:47] <superm1_> it shouldnt come on during the recordings though
[05:47] <superm1_> just the menus
[05:48] <itzac> yeah, that's what I'd expect
[05:48] <superm1_> is it coming on during recordings for you?
[05:48] <itzac> yup, and the remote doesn't turn it off. I have to use the keyboard
[05:48] <superm1_> is the screen turning black?
[05:48] <superm1_> or is the screensaver coming on
[05:48] <superm1_> you might be encountering the same thing tgm4883_laptop was
[05:48] <itzac> turning black slowly
[05:49] <superm1_> hm i wonder if the gnome screensaver support broke then recently
[05:49] <superm1_> your sure its a slow fade to black
[05:49] <superm1_> not just a sudden black
[05:50] <itzac> slow fade in menus, haven't seen it on tv, just came back to black
[05:51] <superm1_> okay then you are encountering dpms problems
[05:51] <superm1_> gnome screensaver support is working as expected though (in the menus its coming on)
[05:51] <superm1_> dpms is turning on otherwise though
[05:51] <superm1_> can you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any info re: DPMS?
[05:51] <itzac> does it matter that this is on my TV?
[05:52] <superm1_> it shouldn't
[05:52] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, get back here so you can say what you sorted out this with?
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> im back whats up
[05:52] <superm1_> itzac is getting the same DPMS thing you were
[05:52] <superm1_> what did you end up having to do for it?
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, nothing
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> actually I have tried everything, and it still does it
[05:53] <tgm4883_laptop> not what you wanted to hear?
[05:53] <itzac> all seems joyful in the log
[05:53] <superm1_> itzac, can you do
[05:53] <superm1_> xset q
[05:54] <itzac> can I do it from ssh?
[05:54] <superm1_> No
[05:55] <superm1_> open up the control centre and choose the advanced management tab
[05:55] <superm1_> and hit the terminal button there
[05:55] <superm1_> your looking for a section like this in the results of xset q
[05:55] <superm1_> DPMS (Energy Star):
[05:55] <superm1_>   Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[05:55] <superm1_>   DPMS is Enabled
[05:55] <superm1_>   Monitor is On
[05:56] <itzac> q, brb
[05:58] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, in your xset q
[05:58] <superm1_> can you check and see what the "Screen Saver:"
[05:58] <superm1_> section indicates?
[05:58] <itzac> DPMS (Energy Star):
[05:59] <itzac> Standby: 1200    Suspend: 1800    Off: 2400
[05:59] <itzac> etc..
[05:59] <superm1_> okay try this then
[05:59] <superm1_> xset s -dpms
[05:59] <superm1_> see if that resolves things
[05:59] <superm1_> if it doesn't, then it is the normal "X" screensaver breaking them
[06:00] <itzac> should set values to 0?
[06:00] <superm1_> once you do xset s -dpms
[06:00] <superm1_> that turns them all off
[06:02] <itzac> dpms is disabled
[06:02] <superm1_> hopefully that reoslves the issue
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> man if that works im going to be happy
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> and irritated
[06:02] <itzac> hehe
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> but mostly happy
[06:02] <superm1_> well it still doesn't solve the problem permanently
[06:02] <superm1_> it just will identify it
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i swear i did that yesterday
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, a reboot will change it back
[06:03] <itzac> I was about to ask
[06:03] <superm1_> so if that *doesn't work*
[06:03] <superm1_> then try this
[06:03] <superm1_> xset s off
[06:03] <superm1_> but dont do them both right now
[06:03] <itzac> how do I make it permanent?
[06:03] <superm1_> because we need to identify which one is causing it
[06:03] <superm1_> we'll get to that after we know if its the solution :)
[06:04] <tgm4883_laptop> off to watch a show.  I'll know in less than 30
[06:04] <foxbuntu> evening superm1_
[06:04] <superm1_> hi
[06:05] <superm1_> foxbuntu, i ran into travis today at the career fair
[06:05] <foxbuntu> which one?
[06:05] <foxbuntu> Farmer?
[06:05] <superm1_> yes
[06:05] <foxbuntu> wow really?
[06:05] <foxbuntu> hows he doin?
[06:06] <superm1_> graduating this may
[06:06] <foxbuntu> good
[06:06] <foxbuntu> I haven't heard from him in quite some time
[06:07] <superm1_> yeah that's what he said
[06:07] <foxbuntu> who was he talking to at the cf?
[06:07] <superm1_> i dunno
[06:07] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:14] <itzac> that seems to have done it, I think
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> I still have the problem
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> slow fade during tv
[06:15] <superm1_> *slow fade*?
[06:15] <superm1_> sure
[06:15] <superm1_> ?
[06:15] <CBiLL> Hi folks
[06:16] <itzac> damn, looks like I was too optimistic, too
[06:16] <itzac> same thing
[06:16] <CBiLL> got rid of my flickering problem .. it was an VBI issue
[06:16] <CBiLL> submitted a report anyway
[06:16] <superm1_> well you guys are describing two different problems
[06:16] <superm1_> hi CBiLL
[06:16] <superm1_> oh you had vbi on?
[06:16] <superm1_> i could have told you vbi was buggy :)
[06:16] <CBiLL> I have to
[06:16] <CBiLL> I am deaf remember
[06:16] <CBiLL> =P
[06:16] <itzac> no, slow fade during tv
[06:17] <CBiLL> need it on for CC but it fixed
[06:17] <superm1_> CBiLL, your deaf?
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> itzac, what is it doing to you?
[06:18] <CBiLL> yes
[06:18] <superm1_> CBiLL, sorry to hear that.  that would make things difficult wrg to vbi wouldnt it
[06:19] <CBiLL> wrg?
[06:19] <superm1_> with regard to
[06:19] <CBiLL> only thing i need to do was change relsolution to 720 x 480
[06:19] <CBiLL> and it stop flickering
[06:19] <superm1_> and vbi works now too?
[06:20] <foxbuntu> superm1_, btw...did the new Usplash work ok for you?
[06:20] <superm1_> foxbuntu, i uploaded it to the archive
[06:20] <itzac> tgm, slow fade to black in menus or during tv
[06:20] <foxbuntu> awesome
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> itzac, yep same thing here
[06:21] <superm1_> foxbuntu, but i haven't rebooted my laptop yet, so i havent tried it
[06:21] <foxbuntu> oh you should
[06:21] <foxbuntu> its nice
[06:21] <CBiLL> some bug in IVTV
[06:21] <CBiLL> yes
[06:21] <CBiLL> perfectly
[06:21] <CBiLL> just change recording profile default and live tv
[06:21] <CBiLL> to 720 x 480
[06:21] <superm1_> itzac, tgm4883_laptop so then gnome-screensaver support *is* broken now or not.  i'm pretty confused.
[06:22] <itzac> well, shutting off dpms didn't fix it
[06:22] <superm1_> CBiLL, we'll have to get that added to the wiki or to the manual
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, I think it's gnome screensaver
[06:22] <superm1_> itzac, try the xset s off
[06:22] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, well this isn't good then.
[06:22] <itzac> I've already disabled the screensaver, will let you know if that solves it
[06:22] <superm1_> CBiLL, can you let DaveMorris know next time you see him
[06:22] <CBiLL> superm1_ : I submitted a bug report on it
[06:22] <CBiLL> but yeah should be added to wiki
[06:22] <CBiLL> ok if I see him
[06:23] <CBiLL> he come to this channel?
[06:23] <superm1_> CBiLL, okay, well there is no general way to force it for everyone
[06:23] <superm1_> yeah he does
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> xset s off sets the screensaver to off?
[06:23] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, turns off the 'X' screensaver
[06:23] <superm1_> not the gnome-screensaver
[06:23] <CBiLL> Ill remember it
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:23] <superm1_> CBiLL, so everything else is working correctly for you now then right?
[06:24] <CBiLL> yes
[06:24] <CBiLL> perfectly
[06:25] <CBiLL> nice Closed Captioning too since i could change font and it size
[06:25] <CBiLL> I have not test recording and playing back on another player to see if it record the CC
[06:25] <CBiLL> I hope it does
[06:25] <superm1_> CBiLL, great.  and everything you've ran into along the way has either already had a bug filed or is fixed in a future release right?
[06:25] <CBiLL> I don't know about being fixed in future release but found a forum talking about it
[06:26] <CBiLL> so tried it and it fixed the problem
[06:26] <CBiLL> so I filed a bug with a link to that forum post about it
[06:26] <superm1_> okay so at least everything has bugs filed then
[06:26] <CBiLL> but picture is perfect
[06:27] <CBiLL> that is on PVR 500 composite in
[06:27] <CBiLL> where everyone says is grainy and crappy
[06:27] <CBiLL> and it not to me
[06:27] <CBiLL> look clean and almost sharp
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, i should also note that the remote doesn't bring it out of the black screen
[06:28] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, see that's characteristic of the "X' screensaver
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> I just disabled gnome-screensaver so we'll see
[06:28] <superm1_> but not gnome screensaver
[06:28] <CBiLL> those fade in and out
[06:29] <superm1_> yeah
[06:29] <CBiLL> I seen them but only when I am in menu or left it there
[06:29] <CBiLL> never saw it occur on live tv
[06:29] <CBiLL> it a normal thing right? to fade out when it in Menu listing?
[06:29] <superm1_> yeah that's normal
[06:30] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, and itzac claim that it is happening during tv too though
[06:30] <superm1_> i think they're lying, but that's just me :)
[06:30] <superm1_> CBiLL, re the picture being sharp to you: on a tv it looks a lot better to most people
[06:30] <CBiLL> ok back to get my samba working .. thanks again for trying superm1_ and wanted to come in to tell you about it
[06:30] <CBiLL> lagas was a huge help pinpointing it too!
[06:30] <CBiLL> oh no s hehe
[06:30] <CBiLL> laga
[06:30] <superm1_> thanks for getting us the info on what needs to be done about it, we'll be able to point others toward it now :)
[06:31] <CBiLL> yes
[06:31] <CBiLL> just change the setting and it done
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> disabled gnome screensaver and it still does it
[06:37] <CBiLL> bios have screensaver on it?
[06:37] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, did you do xset s off?
[06:37] <CBiLL> older copmuter did
[06:38] <CBiLL> I know lot of laptop bios had screensaver on it to save battery power .. are you using laptop? (just assuming due to your irc nickname )
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, no, i'm doing that now thought
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> it takes about 10 minutes for it to happen, and the remote has no effect on it at all
[06:40] <CBiLL> hrmmm where the samba config saved at again?
[06:42] <superm1_> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:42] <CBiLL> thanks
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, that doesn't help either
[06:52] <tgm4883_laptop> although i did notice that when I did xset s off, i then did checked it and dpms was turned back on
[06:52] <itzac> shutting off gnome-screensaver seems to have fixed the problem
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> CBiLL, no, the problem is on my standalone system
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> itzac, how did you shut it off?
[06:55] <itzac> I sshed in and ran gnome-screensaver-preferences and unchecked activate screensaver when computer is idle
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, thats what I did too
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> well, i ran it from the control centre
[06:56] <itzac> maybe it just hasn't turned on yet?
[06:56] <itzac> did you log in with the same user as runs mythtv?
[06:56] <superm1_> well as of alpha 4 its the normal user
[06:56] <itzac> yup, just making sure there's nothing funny there
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1_, would that differ though since the control centre brings up a root terminal?
[06:57] <itzac> it does?
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[06:58] <superm1_> well i don't know, perhaps that is where an issue is stemming
[06:58] <superm1_> only for gnome-screensaver-preferences would that matter
[06:58] <superm1_> not for xset stuff
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[06:58] <itzac> gnome-screensaver settings would be per user
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> then maybe it will work for itzac
[06:58] <itzac> so you might want to su - user first
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, now I get cannot open display
[06:59] <itzac> and I don't know how to fix that
[06:59] <superm1_> you have to do something like xhost +
[07:00] <itzac> maybe instead try ssh localhost -X -luser
[07:00] <itzac> it's a hack, but it'll get'er done
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to leave it activated but move it to 2 minutes and test it
[07:01] <itzac> clever guy
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> yay
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> did it right at 2 minutes
[07:05] <superm1_> woah what happened with these gnome updates in gutsy.  gnome just got prettier again
[07:05] <itzac> cool
[07:05] <itzac> I bet the code that shuts off the screensaver is still pointed at the mythtv user
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> and itzac is not crazy either
[07:06] <superm1_> well the code isn't dependent upon the user that is using it
[07:06] <itzac> nope
[07:12] <itzac> I'm too lazy to check the code out and look for myself, so I'll take your word for it
[07:12] <superm1_> well the code is a minor patch to the existing xscreensaver code already in myth
[07:12] <superm1_> to make it do similar causes to gnome-screensaver instead
[07:12] <itzac> in other oddities, my listings for today are off by 2 channels, but they fix themselves tomorrow
[07:12] <superm1_> so there is no reason that it should be behaving weirdly
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, i have other oddities too
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> but maybe I AM crazy :)
[07:13] <itzac> I suppose mythtv has probably never actually had to run as a mythtv user
[07:13] <superm1_> no, it's just been a matter of convenience/security and such
[07:14] <MnDBnDr> Hi All
[07:14] <itzac> Hi
[07:14] <itzac> I just trust my perimeter security. I go to great lenghts to secure that
[07:14] <MnDBnDr> I am installing alpha4 and am stuck at Proprietary video driver
[07:15] <itzac> I had that issue too
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug 167137
[07:15] <MnDBnDr> ah
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug 137167
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[07:18] <MnDBnDr> so don't install the driver at install.  install after initial install?
[07:18] <superm1_> right
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:18] <MnDBnDr> thx
[07:21] <itzac> either of you guys in canada?
[07:21] <MnDBnDr> eh?
[07:22] <itzac> I'm having problems getting the channel icons
[07:22] <itzac> invalid postal code
[07:22] <MnDBnDr> I am in Ohio
[07:22] <MnDBnDr> just on the other side of the lake
[07:22] <itzac> cool, I'm in Calgary, AB, so somewhat west of you
[07:23] <MnDBnDr> I am justs south of Cleveland
[07:26] <MnDBnDr> Is there a kernel-source package for alpha4?
[07:32] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, want a funny for your night?
[07:32] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get moo
[07:33] <foxbuntu> (or anyone else interested in my bad humor)
[07:33] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/manwoman.html
[07:33] <foxbuntu> yea
[07:33] <foxbuntu> I know
[07:34] <foxbuntu> superm1_, just sent me a bunch of those
[07:34] <foxbuntu> thats where I got moo
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> ha
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> I just got it from stumbleupon
[07:34] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:34] <foxbuntu> our favorite supported
[07:34] <foxbuntu> supporter
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> I decided to install it because of that
[07:35] <foxbuntu> although google is catching up now
[07:36] <foxbuntu> wow almost up to 2000 downloads < 1 week
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.simpsonizeme.com/
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> does this seem like a bad idea to anyone
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.file-swap.com/
[07:37] <foxbuntu> uh
[07:38] <foxbuntu> yeah for when i give you a virus in return
[07:38] <foxbuntu> ...wtf
[07:38] <foxbuntu> that stupid
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> thats exactly what I was thinking
[07:41] <foxbuntu> except for the random prono you might get
[07:41] <foxbuntu> although that might not be good either
[07:41] <foxbuntu> nix that project
[07:45] <itzac> that's teh aweXome
[07:55] <tgm4883_laptop> no this one is awesome http://www.markeedragon.com/screenshots/data/3019/221.jpg
[07:55] <tgm4883_laptop> off to bed
[08:59] <geek> anyone up at this moment?
[08:59] <geek> my mythtv database is not being updated
[09:00] <geek> it just tells me no new data found
[09:04] <geek> wtf
[09:04] <geek> hmm
[09:04] <geek> Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known
[09:05] <superm1_> sounds like you've got dns problems
[09:19] <laga> re
[09:27] <laga> hum
[09:27] <laga> looks like unionfs is still not fixed
[09:28] <laga> but hey, thats ok. its not like we need it or something
[09:28] <laga> or the people using the dailz liecd builds.
[10:35] <denbeiren> hello
[10:35] <laga> morning
[10:35] <denbeiren> could anyone here help me out in configuring my technotrend DVB card?
[10:36] <laga> maybe. just ask a question :)
[10:36] <denbeiren> when i try to scan channels i get the error "error parsing ****"
[10:36] <laga> ?
[10:36] <laga> did you enter a transponder?
[10:36] <denbeiren> the * stands for something, but i can't remember it right now :(
[10:37] <denbeiren> i have the machine here next to me if you would be willing to guide me trough
[10:38] <laga> i can't guide you through it  because i don't remember the details. you need to give it an initial transponder, including modulation and other params
[10:38] <laga> you can get those values from a channels.conf file
[10:40] <denbeiren> i have tried running setup a couple of times,.. but without success
[10:41] <denbeiren> is a transponder the same as the LNB?
[10:41] <laga> no
[10:41] <denbeiren> "error parsing parameters" wat the error,.. now i remember
[10:41] <laga> the transponder.. think of it as data stream on a given frequency which carries multiple channels
[10:41] <laga> yes
[10:41] <laga> because you didn't give an initial transponder
[10:42] <laga> you could try to import a channels.conf and "scan all existing transponders"
[10:43] <denbeiren> i am in mythtv setup now
[10:43] <denbeiren> i have my cardsettings
[10:43] <denbeiren> the card is recognised
[10:43] <denbeiren> diseq settings are correct (as far as i know)
[10:44] <denbeiren> video sources, nothing
[10:44] <denbeiren> input connections,.. there i can scan for channels, but that gives me errors
[10:44] <Rimers> Hi guys :)
[10:45] <denbeiren> and channel editor
[10:45] <denbeiren> where do i make the settings for those transponders you were talking about?
[10:45] <laga> you enter them in the channel scanner window
[10:46] <laga> there are a bunch of empty fields.
[10:46] <laga> for frequency, modulation etc
[10:47] <denbeiren> yes i see those
[10:47] <laga> you need to enter something there.
[10:47] <denbeiren> freq is empty
[10:47] <denbeiren> so i have to enter every channel manually?
[10:47] <laga> no
[10:48] <laga> you have to enter one initial transponder. from that, it'll get all other transponders and the channels broadcast on those transponders
[10:49] <denbeiren> could i find a file somewhere that gives me all the transponders for astra 1 and astra 3 that i could import?
[10:49] <denbeiren> or could you give me the initial transponder?
[10:51] <directhex|work> "scan" from the dvb-utils package should work
[10:51] <directhex|work> or you could use lyngsat.com to get data if you really feel like it
[10:52] <denbeiren> dvb-utils?
[10:53] <denbeiren> do i have to download that?
[10:53] <directhex|work> it's probably already included in mythbuntu. though laga will probably correct me
[10:55] <denbeiren> if it is included,.. how would i start it up and/or use it?
[10:55] <directhex|work> erm... with "scan" and the associated parameters?
[10:56] <directhex|work> alternatively, assuming the package is installed (why not just check? O_o) you could make use of the sample files it already provides
[10:56] <directhex|work> such as  /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E
[10:57] <denbeiren> because i am fairly new to linux and do not know where to find these things, and do not know how to load them
[10:58] <directhex|work> dpkg -l dvb-utils
[10:58] <directhex|work> "ii" means "installed & configured"
[10:59] <denbeiren> i do not have that package
[10:59] <denbeiren> installing now
[10:59] <denbeiren> ii is stated now
[11:00] <directhex|work> right.
[11:00] <directhex|work> Astra 1 is on 19.2E, and there happens to already be a file in /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/ with the required frequency/transponder info in it
[11:01] <denbeiren> so i fill that "link" in where it sais import existing ......
[11:01] <denbeiren> channels.conf import
[11:02] <directhex|work> run "scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E" and it'll create a channels.conf gile for you
[11:03] <directhex|work> or you could try copying /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/channels.conf-dvbs-astra.gz to somewhere like /tmp, extract it (it's compressed) and use that. i don't know if any of the channels in that file are appropriate though
[11:03] <denbeiren> the scanning is running in the terminal screen
[11:04] <denbeiren> In that dir i can find all of the sats?
[11:06] <directhex|work> some of them. they're just examples.
[11:08] <denbeiren> so when the scanning is finished,.. do i have to do anything else, or are the channels going to be visible right away?
[11:09] <directhex|work> which scanning? with "scan"? no, scan is just a utility to generate a channels.conf file. so run scan, put the output from it into a file, and give mythtv that file as an initial channels.conf file - it should then be able to rescan & fill in any blanks by itself
[11:10] <denbeiren> aha
[11:10] <denbeiren> the only thing then is how to save that output to a file, because the scan is finished, and i'm on the cursor now
[11:12] <deffcon> laga : the problem i had yesterday about " no  menu text in mythtv" had to do with fonts --> the problem is solved now
[11:13] <directhex|work> denbeiren,  re-run it, and send the output to a file with >
[11:14] <directhex|work> denbeiren, all unix commands have two types of output - STDOUT (for output) and STDERR (for errors). you can redirect either or both into a file (with > filename) or another program as input (with | appname)
[11:18] <denbeiren> so scan Astra-19.2E stdout (filename) ?
[11:19] <denbeiren> i'm sorry i don't know a whole lot about unixcommands
[11:24] <directhex|work> scan /path/to/scan/input/file > /path/to/outputfile
[11:26] <denbeiren> and save is as blabla.conf ?
[11:26] <directhex|work> yeah
[11:27] <directhex|work> there are also a lot of channels.conf examples on the net. you could google for channels.conf and the name of your satelite provider
[11:28] <denbeiren> can i load multiple .conf files, or do i have to merge them into one file?
[11:30] <directhex|work> you'd have to merge them, i suspect. i really don't know, i use dvb-t so the extra step of filling in all this transponder mumbo-jumbo isn't neccessary
[11:31] <denbeiren> there aren't a whole lot of flemish/dutch channels available here,.. so i have to use dbv-s
[11:32] <denbeiren> failed to parse the file :s
[11:35] <denbeiren> the file is there, and i can open it in the terminalscreen
[11:35] <denbeiren> what am i doing wrong here?
[11:46] <laga> i suggest we start a table for initial transponders in a wiki somewhere
[11:46] <laga> or add them to those dro-down menus in mythtv (currently only available for dvb-t)
[11:46] <directhex|work> laga, yes!
[11:47] <laga> yes to what?
[11:49] <directhex|work> laga, really? 0.20.2 or trunk?
[11:49] <denbeiren> i'm on amd64 as well
[11:49] <laga> directhex|work: trunk
[11:49] <laga> i have yet to install mythtv
[11:49] <laga> well, rather: make packages for amd64
[11:49] <directhex|work> okay, when someone has myth on amd64, can they test something for me?
[11:49] <denbeiren> i can
[11:49] <laga> depends
[11:50] <directhex|work> denbeiren, are you on trunk or 0.20.2?
[11:50] <denbeiren> absolutely no idea
[11:50] <denbeiren> mythbuntu
[11:50] <laga> that's 0.20.2
[11:50] <denbeiren> gutsy
[11:51] <denbeiren> but no further knowledge
[11:51] <directhex|work> okay. can you install the "build-essential" and "libfuse-dev" packages?
[11:52] <denbeiren> installing build
[11:53] <directhex|work> download http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/djmount/djmount-0.71.tar.gz and extract it to /tmp
[11:54] <directhex|work> djmount is a basic way of viewing UPnP media shares. UPnP in theory makes sharing media across different apps on a network trivial. in practice, i think mythtv's implementation is broken on amd64
[11:54] <denbeiren> could you give me the exact terminalcommands please? it would be so much faster
[11:54] <directhex|work> cd /tmp && wget http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/djmount/djmount-0.71.tar.gz && cd djmount* && ./configure && mak
[11:54] <directhex|work> e
[11:54] <directhex|work> that's make at the end, not mak
[11:54] <laga> forgot to extract it?
[11:55] <directhex|work> whoops
[11:55] <directhex|work> let's try again
[11:55] <directhex|work> cd /tmp && wget http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/djmount/djmount-0.71.tar.gz && tar zxvf djmount* && cd djmount* && ./configure && make
[11:55] <directhex|work> should spend about 90 seconds on the "configure" bit, 32 seconds on the "make" bit
[11:56] <denbeiren> installing libdev
[11:57] <denbeiren> running your command
[11:58] <denbeiren> anything else?
[11:58] <directhex|work> yeah. did that all finish?
[11:58] <denbeiren> yes
[11:59] <directhex|work> okay. run "cd djmount && mkdir testy && sudo modprobe fuse && sudo ./djmount testy"
[12:00] <denbeiren> done
[12:00] <directhex|work> there's now a folder called "testy". if your mythtv backend is running, then there should be a subfolder for the mythtv machine inside it
[12:01] <directhex|work> i.e. "ls testy" will show something like "MythTV AV UPnP Server"
[12:01] <laga> ffs.
[12:01] <directhex|work> laga, ?
[12:01] <denbeiren> devices  mediacenter: MythTV AV Media Server
[12:01] <laga> directhex|work: you were right. the kde control center f'ed up cups config
[12:01] <directhex|work> laga, i'm ALWAYS right!
[12:01] <laga> heh
[12:02] <laga> i added it in localhost:631 and it works like a charm
[12:02] <directhex|work> denbeiren, okay. now do "ls -a testy/*" - if my hunch is right, the only thing in the "mediacenter: MythTV AV Media Server" folder should be a single file
[12:02] <laga> alright, it's a bit too black and white for my taste, but at least i can print.
[12:03] <denbeiren> denbeiren@mediacenter:/tmp/djmount-0.71/djmount$ sudo ls -a testy/
[12:03] <denbeiren> .  ..  .debug  devices  mediacenter: MythTV AV Media Server
[12:04] <directhex|work> denbeiren, don't forget the * at the end - otherwise it'll not look INSIDE that folder
[12:04] <denbeiren> ls: testy/*: No such file or directory
[12:05] <directhex|work> erm... odd
[12:05] <directhex|work> okay, do "cd testy/med<TAB>" i.e. start typing and hit the tab key to fill in the blanks
[12:06] <denbeiren>  sudo cd testy/med
[12:07] <directhex|work> don't use sudo for this
[12:07] <denbeiren> -bash: cd: testy/med: Permission denied
[12:07] <directhex|work> bleh
[12:07] <directhex|work> okay, do "sudo bash" to get a full root session
[12:08] <directhex|work> THEN do "cd testy/med<TAB>"
[12:08] <denbeiren> cd testy/mediacenter\:\ MythTV\ AV\ Media\ Server/
[12:08] <denbeiren> this one?
[12:08] <directhex|work> yes
[12:09] <directhex|work> hit enter, you should be in that folder. now do "ls -a"
[12:09] <denbeiren> . .. .status
[12:10] <directhex|work> okay, so far so good (well, so bad, but it would mean you have the same behaviour as me"
[12:10] <directhex|work> now do "grep Result .status"
[12:10] <directhex|work> if i'm right, it should say "             |    +- Result     = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)"
[12:11] <denbeiren>       |    +- Result     = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)
[12:12] <directhex|work> okay, confirmation! time to report a bug. laga! you want this in launchpad, or shall i send it straight to mythtv trac?
[12:12] <laga> directhex|work: this should go to trac
[12:13] <directhex|work> denbeiren, thanks for your time. now run "cd && fusermount -u /tmp/djmount*/djmount/testy && logout" to go back to normal
[12:14] <denbeiren> bash: logout: not login shell: use `exit'
[12:14] <directhex|work> okay, there's that tool
[12:15] <directhex|work> i tend to use ctrl-d
[12:15] <directhex|work> which is quicker
[12:15] <laga> hum, sound is still broken here. blah.
[12:15] <directhex|work> laga, you don't happen to keep channel logs do you?
[12:15] <laga> !logs
[12:15] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[12:16] <denbeiren> -bash: /bin/fusermount: Permission denied
[12:17] <directhex|work> laga, nothing after 18th august!
[12:17] <directhex|work> denbeiren, use sudo
[12:17] <denbeiren> sudo: cd: command not found
[12:17] <laga> directhex|work: ok, what do you need?
[12:17] <denbeiren> already tried it
[12:19] <directhex|work> laga, i pastebinned something within the last week relating to upnp (complete output from .status). a grep for pastebin.ca, grepped again for "hex" would probably find it
[12:19] <directhex|work> denbeiren, "cd && sudo fusermount -u /tmp/djmount*/djmount/testy"
[12:20] <denbeiren> umount: /tmp/djmount-0.71/djmount/testy: not mounted
[12:20] <laga> directhex|work: nothing ://
[12:20] <directhex|work> denbeiren, okay, you should be fine then
[12:20] <denbeiren> is everything deleted and uninstalled as well?
[12:21] <directhex|work> laga, bleh. is there any point in submitting a bug before this evening then? :/
[12:21] <laga> *shrug*
[12:21] <laga> gotta keep your logs :)
[12:21] <directhex|work> denbeiren, anything in /tmp is deleted every time you boot. as for build-essential and libfuse-dev, you could remove them if you wanted to. build-essential is useful to have around though
[12:21] <denbeiren> ok
[12:22] <denbeiren> so could you help me out in that channel.conf file ? pretty please :)
[12:23] <denbeiren> how do i merge these two files? astra192.conf  astra282.conf
[12:23] <directhex|work> cat astra*.conf >> merged.conf
[12:23] <directhex|work> and make sure you give myth the full /path/to/the/file.conf since it might not be looking in the same folder as you
[12:23] <denbeiren> and now for the loading of the file,..
[12:24] <denbeiren> i still get errors :s
[12:24] <denbeiren> (/home/denbeiren/merged)
[12:25] <directhex|work> denbeiren, is the file called merged or merged.conf?
[12:25] <denbeiren> merged.conf
[12:25] <directhex|work> then you have to say merged.conf
[12:26] <denbeiren> failed to parse merged.conf
[12:26] <directhex|work> okay, can you put the contents of the file onto a site like pastebin.ca ?
[12:28] <denbeiren> http://pastebin.ca/703067
[12:32] <denbeiren> any ideas?
[12:33] <laga> is that all?
[12:34] <denbeiren> i only selected a part of it
[12:35] <denbeiren> i used nano,.. but i can't scroll trough the output with that
[12:35] <denbeiren> which command lets me scroll trough everything, so i can select it all?
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #106881 in ivtv (multiverse) "IVTV output choppy and flickers" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106881
[12:39] <directhex|work> denbeiren, cat
[12:42] <denbeiren> http://pastebin.ca/703077
[12:49] <denbeiren> any helpful info?
[12:53] <Rimers> denbeiren: does it work with one of the none merged channel files?
[12:53] <denbeiren> wouldn't it be easier if you could just select from a dropdownlist of sattelites there?
[12:53] <denbeiren> no same problem
[12:53] <Rimers> hmm okay,
[12:53] <Rimers> let me check here, think i have a .conf file for astra here somwhere
[12:54] <denbeiren> k
[12:57] <Rimers> hmm,, no luck on this pc, let me just try to get a remote console on the media pc
[12:58] <denbeiren> i would like to have astra 19.2 and astra 28.x
[12:59] <Rimers> okay, i would only have 19.2 due to my dish setup here though
[12:59] <denbeiren> k
[12:59] <Rimers> hmm seems there is a network problem at home, i cant connect to the media pc :S
[12:59] <denbeiren> could you email the file to me perhaps later?
[01:00] <Rimers> sure, drop me a mail on nils@rimestad.net and ill send it when i get home
[01:01] <Rimers> have you tried to tune in using szap?
[01:01] <denbeiren> no, i do not know what that is :s
[01:02] <Rimers> okay, try following : szap -c merged.conf -n 1
[01:03] <Rimers> that should tune in in the first channel in the merged.conf file
[01:03] <denbeiren> it's running
[01:03] <Rimers> you should get some info on the connection if i remember correctly
[01:03] <denbeiren> when this is finished,.. what do i do then?
[01:04] <Rimers> it should keep running with the info untill you stop it with a CTRL+C
[01:05] <Rimers> try in another console session : dvbdate that should get the date from the channel you tuned into
[01:05] <Rimers> if it works that is :)
[01:09] <denbeiren> ....
[01:09] <denbeiren> and then the date
[01:10] <denbeiren> Wed Sep 19 13:08:54 2007
[01:10] <Rimers> hmm okay, then there should be no problem with the merged.conf file
[01:11] <denbeiren> but i get an error
[01:11] <denbeiren> can't parse merged.conf
[01:11] <Rimers> hmm okay
[01:13] <Rimers> ill search on, ill write when i find somthing, but it could be a little while
[01:14] <denbeiren> i'll send you a mail,.. let me know something when you've found it
[01:15] <denbeiren> mail sent
[01:15] <Rimers> okay, will do
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #140940 in lirc (main) "ati_remote.ko not unloaded during configure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140940
[02:48] <[_Trimble_] > woot   I got my wireless card working after fresh install from iso without having to install gui
[02:48] <[_Trimble_] > :)
[02:50] <[_Trimble_] > whoa.. this time the prebuilt samba shares for video, music, pictures and recordings already works
[02:57] <[_Trimble_] > yup - copied some video and mp3 into it, and it plays :)
[02:57] <[_Trimble_] > sweet :)
[03:07] <frink_> Anybody know why lirc breaks?
[03:07] <frink_> lircd-0.8.2[12789] : default_init(): No such file or directory
[03:07] <frink_> lircd-0.8.2[12789] : caught signal
[03:07] <frink_> Terminated
[03:07] <frink_> that happens when I start irw
[03:07] <[_Trimble_] > no idea :(
[03:14] <frink_> hmm for some reason /dev/lirc0 is what it should be
[03:20] <frink_> lovely
[03:20] <frink_> now my remote woks
[03:20] <frink_> my wife will owe me lots of sex tonight
[03:49] <DaveMorris> lol
[03:54] <laga> frink_: file a bug please
[03:59] <[_Trimble_] > whoa whoa, you can earn sex by fixing a woman's remote?
[03:59] <directhex|work> [_Trimble_] , remote for what though?...
[03:59] <laga> if you're married: yes
[03:59] <[_Trimble_] > lol
[04:23] <laga> superm1_: looks like there's a beta 3 for falcon 2 with buildd support. i hope it's an official one this time ;)
[05:17] <[_Trimble_] > god this whole thing runs so much smoother than the knoppmyth version
[05:18] <laga> how so
[05:18] <[_Trimble_] > everything just works :)
[05:18] <laga> heh
[05:19] <laga> still needs some polishing, IMHO
[05:19] <[_Trimble_] > i was never able to get wireless network working on knoppmyth.. lirc needed to be compiled, and the headers weren't even on the iso...
[05:19] <[_Trimble_] > screen fonts were screwy...
[05:19] <[_Trimble_] > etc..
[05:20] <[_Trimble_] > muthbuntu even setup 4 CIFS shares so i can push or pull data right onto the machine
[05:20] <laga> i've just installed mythtv usind the control centre on gutsy
[05:20] <[_Trimble_] > i used the 7.10 mythbuntu iso
[05:20] <laga> since i haven't worked on the controlc entre, i'm allowed to say that it's a great thing
[05:21] <laga> i just wish sound was working :)
[05:21] <laga> kernel's a bit broken here
[05:21] <[_Trimble_] > my sounds is working fine.  i just need to adjust the alsa mixer to move sound to the right jack
[05:22] <[_Trimble_] > my machine has an internal speaker, and all the sound is coming out there hehehe
[05:22] <laga> great :)
[05:22] <tgm4883> laga, still the same sound troubles?
[05:22] <tgm4883> I have some sound issues too, but mine are strange (as most my troubles are)
[05:22] <laga> tgm4883: yes. now i can't get around it by rebuilding linux-ubuntu-modules because it gets built for i386.
[05:22] <laga> although i to dell it to build amd64 :/
[05:22] <laga> tgm4883: i just have a broken kernel module
[05:23] <tgm4883> mine appears to jump devices.  Periodically I have to go and change what audio device mythtv is using otherwise I get no sound
[05:24] <laga> odd :/
[05:24] <tgm4883> yep
[05:24] <tgm4883> I found this out yesterday and wanted to see it happen a few more time before I file a bug report
[05:24] <laga> alright, finally need to my application for college ready
[05:24] <tgm4883> you know, to make sure im not crazy
[05:24] <laga> oh no worries
[05:24] <laga> you are not crazy *cough*
[05:25] <tgm4883> of course im not crazy
[05:25] <laga> uh
[05:25] <laga> thanks
[05:25] <laga> that's given me a nice mental image for when i_'m filling out the forms
[05:26] <foxbuntu_> lol...I make my first look over at the irc window for the morning and find that comment
[05:26] <tgm4883> just write at the top, I know tgm4883, they will probably just give you a degree right then
[05:26] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: same here!
[05:26] <tgm4883> I aim to please ;)
[05:26] <Daviey> tgm4883: I can imagine - but just for fun, can you supply a pic?
[05:27] <tgm4883> sorry, my camera is all covered in.....
[05:27] <tgm4883> there is something wrong with this paint.  it tastes funny
[05:27] <Daviey> ... it's camera case?
[05:27] <foxbuntu_> POO!
[05:28] <Daviey> foxbuntu_ & tgm4883, add a pic to your LP profile :)
[05:28] <Daviey> and laga ^
[05:29] <tgm4883> any pic? or does it need to be provocative
[05:29] <Daviey> currently we look like a right bunch of geeks
[05:29] <Daviey> With starwars pics, instead of faces!
[05:30] <tgm4883> we are a bunch of geeks
[05:36] <tgm4883> everybody wants a picture of foxbuntu.  I just pulled the one of him off americas most wanted
[05:37] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, don't tell people about that
[05:38] <tgm4883> sorry forgot :)
[05:38] <[_Trimble_] > good lord.. ripping a music CD is freakin slow
[05:38] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: I'll put you in the 'keep' pile, and tgm4883 in the other
[05:39] <tgm4883> :(
[05:39] <tgm4883> i'll show them
[05:40] <Daviey> When somebody has an email address @gingermagic.com - can you take their email seriously?
[05:41] <tgm4883> is his name Damian?
[05:41] <Daviey> yus
[05:41] <Daviey> *.co.uk
[05:41] <tgm4883> perhaps he is a great magician
[05:41] <CBiLL> Good Morning folks
[05:41] <Daviey> tgm4883: he is
[05:41] <Daviey> http://www.gingermagic.com/
[05:41] <tgm4883> interesting
[05:42] <Daviey> "Damian has performed his own brand of 'gingermagic' everywhere from small private parties"  .... does it sound rude?
[05:42] <tgm4883> now to send email from thymemagic, and paprikamagic
[05:43] <tgm4883> interesting
[05:43] <tgm4883> so what is gingermagic?
[05:43] <CBiLL> close up magic I think
[05:44] <tgm4883> I thought if I clicked on it that it would tell me
[05:44] <tgm4883> not so
[05:44] <Daviey> "Absolutely breathtaking. I have no idea how you managed...."
[05:44] <Daviey> "I've seen things like that on TV, but always assumed it was some kind of camera trick."
[05:44] <Daviey> You'd think it's NSFW
[05:44] <CBiLL> stuff on tv is always camera trick
[05:45] <Daviey> "Thanks again Damian. You always bring something special to our evenings."
[05:46] <Daviey> tgm4883: Is the news in the US showing the Kerry incident?
[05:47] <CBiLL> naw .. it's OJ again
[05:47] <Daviey> orange juice?
[05:47] <CBiLL> yup
[05:47] <foxbuntu_> lol
[05:47] <tgm4883> yea they talk about it
[05:47] <CBiLL> we USA folks are dumb you knkow
[05:47] <tgm4883> and about OJ
[05:47] <Daviey> CBiLL: I did know that :D
[05:47] <tgm4883> more about OJ though cause he's the juice
[05:47] <foxbuntu_> Daviey, OJ Simpson killed someone again or something
[05:47] <laga> and robbed
[05:47] <laga> and kidnapped
[05:47] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: erm i thought it was armed robbery?
[05:47] <laga> etc
[05:47] <tgm4883> no it's just kidnapping right now
[05:48] <laga> Daviey: i won't put a pic in launchpad, not everybody has to know what i look like
[05:48] <foxbuntu_> Daviey, eh whatever...I just changed the channel when I heard OJ was in the news again
[05:48] <Daviey> laga: We won't laugh at you for being butt ugly
[05:48] <tgm4883> How do you get away with killing 2 people and then go to jail for life years later for robbing and kidnapping?
[05:48] <foxbuntu_> I will
[05:48] <foxbuntu_> :P
[05:49] <CBiLL> he was loaded back then
[05:49] <laga> Daviey: bah
[05:49] <CBiLL> now he don't got the cash for lawyers
[05:49] <frink_> laga: izzit that you are ugly?
[05:49] <laga> uh, not
[05:49] <tgm4883> geez guys you gonna give him a complex
[05:49] <laga> just paranoia or a sense of privacy :)
[05:50] <tgm4883> it's ok laga, we don't need a pictures.  A sample of your DNA will suffice
[05:50] <Daviey> laga: I purposly put mine at a rubbish resolution so people coun't upscale it :)
[05:50] <laga> oh, ask the government for that
[05:50] <Daviey> half naked is good
[05:50] <laga> Daviey: what's your LP name again? :)
[05:50] <Daviey> la
[05:50] <Daviey> laga: davewalker
[05:51] <laga> zomg
[05:51] <CBiLL> hey laga! .. still working good here .. no flickering since you told me to change resolution
[05:51] <Daviey> laga: sexy as hell eh?
[05:51] <laga> yup
[05:51] <laga> CBiLL: great
[05:53] <laga> oh, looks like my old GF deleted her pictures off my server
[05:59] <Daviey> hometime \o/
[06:00] <laga> yay
[06:00] <laga> indeed, i dont have any suitable pics o_O
[06:00] <laga> gf's got some decent ones, amybe i'll post some later
[06:09] <frink_> anybdy know how to disable the screen blancer?
[06:09] <frink_> blanker?
[06:09] <frink_> blancker
[06:10] <tgm4883> frink_, is it happening during watching tv?
[06:10] <CBiLL> suspend screen mode 8=P but blanker is cute
[06:10] <tgm4883> and what exactly is happening.  does it instantly go blank or does it slowly fade out?
[06:10] <tgm4883> CBiLL, it could be the screensaver
[06:11] <CBiLL> true
[06:11] <CBiLL> 8-)
[06:13] <tgm4883> maybe it was a trick question
[06:15] <frink_> tgm4883: yup
[06:15] <frink_> nope instant blank
[06:15] <frink_> move mouse and it comes back
[06:15] <tgm4883> ah instant blank
[06:15] <tgm4883> CBiLL ftw
[06:15] <tgm4883> I'll let him take this one then
[06:16] <frink_> i had a problm with lirc too
[06:16] <frink_> it expected /dev/lirc and there was /dev/lirc0 instead
[06:16] <frink_> i synlinked them for now
[06:16] <frink_> i was doing a manual lirc setup for a rs232 ir receiver and hauppauge remote (working now)
[06:41] <laga> frink_: file a bug?
[06:56] <frink_> laga: I think thee already is one
[07:03] <superm1> laga, re unionfs that fix that i pinged you about hasn't been released yet
[07:03] <superm1> hopefully soon though
[07:03] <laga> didn't notice you pinged me about a fix
[07:03] <superm1> oh let me grab you it
[07:03] <superm1> consequences of not having a big enough scroll back
[07:04] <laga> :/
[07:04] <superm1> laga, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy-lum.git;a=commit;h=435c10811fc81d371a1ac385d4a9be590f9a1861
[07:04] <laga>  /msg helps :P
[07:04] <laga> thanks
[07:04] <laga> it's about time
[07:04] <laga> arrrr
[07:04] <superm1> well i had a tcl plugin for xchat that would capture any highlights and the surrounding conversation and put it into a /msg
[07:04] <superm1> but it was getting annoying
[07:05] <laga> true
[07:06] <superm1> you can watch for summary of changes to linux-ubuntu-modules here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy-lum.git;a=summary
[07:06] <superm1> hopefully they will be tagging 2.6.22-11.29 soon
[07:07] <laga> hopefully they'll be rebuild linux-ubuntu-modules for rt soon
[07:07] <laga> there was an ABI change
[07:08] <laga> i know this is an open source project and i'm not in the position to demand anything
[07:08] <laga> but i *gently caress*ing wish my bugs would be fixed faster.
 Hi guys, is there a plan as to when 2.6.22-11.29 is going to be tagged? Is there a schedule for these sorts of things to watch?
 (for linux-ubuntu-modules this is)
 superm1: It should get uploaded in the next day or so.
[07:08] <laga> ah, cool
[07:10] <laga> MythPython is a plugin, which allows you to create other
[07:10] <laga> gui-based plugins for mythtv using the script-language python.
[07:10] <laga> This plugin makes it possible to create much easier plugins to watch for
[07:10] <laga> example videos from youtube or form the apple trailer database.
[07:10] <laga> w00t!
[07:10] <laga> i need to learn python
[07:14] <frink_> me too
[07:14] <frink_> how about you learn it for both of us and i'll tell you what i need codeing and u code it for me
[07:15] <frink_> hey superm1
[07:15] <frink_> superm1: Did you mention some screensaver/screenblanker bug the other day?
[07:16] <laga> superm1: btw, sorry for finding another bug in lirc ;)
[07:16] <frink_> laga: what bug did you find?
[07:17] <laga> ah, just a module that needed blacklisting
[07:22] <frink_> ok
[07:23] <tgm4883> wtf
[07:23] <tgm4883> i swear users are getting stupider
[07:23] <laga> not possible.
[07:23] <tgm4883> wanna bet
[07:24] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3391584&posted=1#post3391584
[07:24] <tgm4883> either stupider or lazier
[07:24] <laga> oh, _ubuntu_ users :)
[07:24] <tgm4883> yes, that wasn't directed at anyone in here
[07:24] <laga> heh
[07:25] <laga> "What works in 32-bit also works in 64-bit. Anyone that says otherwise is a liar"
[07:25] <laga> nice line.
[07:25] <tgm4883> thx
[07:25] <frink_> if i just kill gnome-screensaver will anything break do you think?
[07:25] <tgm4883> i wanted to lace it with profanities, but morals got the better of me
[07:25] <laga> i'd like to note that a 64biit libc6 does not work well wihenthe rest of your system is 32bit
[07:25] <tgm4883> frink_ why do you want to kill it?
[07:26] <frink_> tgm4883: because it (presumably) keeps blanking the screen and why ever would I want a screensaver on a PVR?
[07:26] <tgm4883> CBiLL didn't get back to you?
[07:26] <laga> frink_: because your nice plasma might get burn-in
[07:26] <tgm4883> sorry, i thoung he was going to answer you
[07:27] <tgm4883> I was actually thinking your problem was dpms
[07:27] <tgm4883> not gnome screensaver
[07:27] <laga> yeah, PMs is the devil
[07:27] <frink_> laga: Well there is that and yeah, I guess it would be nicer if it were on and just didnt blank the screen during video play or livetv
[07:28] <frink_> tgm4883: Yeah it actually did look like a dpms blank
[07:28] <frink_> tgm4883: But I thought I would kill the screensaver and see if it stopped anyway.
[07:28] <tgm4883> gnome screensaver is more of a fade to black
[07:28] <tgm4883> I had that problem yesterday
[07:30] <tgm4883> you can test and disable it from the command line
[07:30] <tgm4883> but not from ssh in
[07:32] <tgm4883> xset -dpms
[07:32] <frink_> why not from ssh?
[07:34] <tgm4883> it wont work
[07:34] <tgm4883> im not sure why, thats just what superm1 tells me and im too lazy to look it up ;)
[07:35] <laga> DISPLAY=:0 ?
[07:35] <[_Trimble_] > WTF?
[07:36] <[_Trimble_] > 20 minutes into the first episode of Transformers... all the autobots are FLYING.
[07:45] <[_Trimble_] > hi superm1 :)
[07:46] <superm1> hi [_Trimble_] 
[07:47] <[_Trimble_] > i have a question that's bugging me, superm1.  perhaps you know the answer
[07:47] <superm1> what's that?
[07:47] <[_Trimble_] > can autobots fly?  specifically optimus prime?
[07:48] <[_Trimble_] > lol
[07:48] <superm1> um can't say i know the answer to that one
[07:48] <[_Trimble_] > i'm kidding lol
[07:48] <superm1> haha
[07:48] <[_Trimble_] > i'm testing mythvideo with episode 1 of transformers, and in the very first ever episode, optimus prime is clearly flying
[07:48] <superm1> figured as much
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> gasp shock
[07:50] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, maybe one of these days my display brightness will work correctly
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> hi guest60
[07:52] <tgm4883_laptop> bye guest60
[07:56] <superm1> bug 138915
[07:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138915 in linux-source-2.6.22 "unionfs NULL pointer dereference in 2.6.22-11.32" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138915
[08:02] <MythbuntuGuest66> How can I change the screen resolution in MythBuntu?  It selected a very high resolution, which I want to decrease (it's a backend, which I'm accessing via remote desktop)
[08:03] <laga> MythbuntuGuest66: hum.
[08:03] <laga> "remote desktop"? vnc?
[08:03] <MythbuntuGuest66> actually, it's VMware Server console.
[08:04] <laga> oh.
[08:04] <MythbuntuGuest66> I'm testing putting my backend within a VM, talking to MySQL in another VM, with a remote frontend on a Mac Mini
[08:04] <laga> well, if you're logged in to X, you can run start xorg-config from mythbutnu-control-centre
[08:04] <laga> MythbuntuGuest66: how are you accessing your capture cards?
[08:04] <superm1> wow that's an interesting setup
[08:05] <superm1> yeah how are capture cards going to work?
[08:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> I'm using an HDHomeRun
[08:06] <MythbuntuGuest66> (network based ATSC/QAM256 HD reception)
[08:06] <superm1> ah that would make sense
[08:06] <laga> ah
[08:10] <MythbuntuGuest66> For some reason, the "Launch Xorg Config" button is grayed out in control center
[08:11] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest66, you have to apt-get update/apt-get upgrade
[08:11] <superm1> there is a newer control centre
[08:11] <superm1> and then install displayconfig-gtk
[08:11] <superm1> lots has changed since the last alpha
[08:11] <MythbuntuGuest66> ahh.. great, I'll try that.
[08:11] <superm1> we're looking to have a new disk very soon that will reflect it all
[08:12] <laga> superm1: still alpha?
[08:12] <superm1> laga, i'm not sure if i want to call the next one beta
[08:12] <superm1> i want to see how well the xfce stuff works out
[08:12] <superm1> and DaveMorris has to commit the changes for it yet
[08:12] <laga> ah, right
[08:12] <laga> and gutsy is still alpha, too
[08:12] <laga> and personally, i do notice that. :)
[08:13] <laga> btw, you were gonna elaborate on debconf.py.
[08:13] <superm1> but comparatively, we are following the gutsy cycle
[08:13] <superm1> so we really should be very close to beta too
[08:14] <superm1> laga, okay so regarding debconf.py, you have to either implement a full debconf frontend in your app
[08:14] <superm1> similar to what ubiquity does
[08:14] <superm1> or you have to call a noninteractive frontend
[08:14] <superm1> which i was doing for a bit in mythbuntu-live-autostart
[08:14] <superm1> i dont recall if i'm still doing that
[08:14] <laga> hum
[08:14] <superm1> and when you call the noninteractive frontend, it forks back into your app (is my understanding)
[08:14] <superm1> so it is then the parent process
[08:15] <laga> that's above my head. i'll put it on the back burner...
[08:15] <superm1> so what really *should* be done for us i think is to write a shell script that will be passed a heck of a lot of parameters to update all the debconf stuff that gets changed by the control-centre
[08:16] <superm1> because then you figure you can pass all those debconf questions like remote frontends, mythweb, lirc changes
[08:16] <superm1> either way if that isnt done, something needs to be figured out before release
[08:16] <superm1> or suddenly people are going to be presented with a question during an apt-get update out of the blue
[08:18] <laga> hum.
[08:19] <laga> and what so bad about using debconf-communicate
[08:19] <superm1> well if you can find a way to stop the debconf frontend
[08:19] <superm1> more power to you there
[08:19] <superm1> i just know i ran into the issue of not being able to
[08:20] <laga> uh
[08:20] <laga> is it it a locking problem?
[08:21] <superm1> yes
[08:21] <superm1> since you cant stop the debconf frontend
[08:21] <superm1> debconf is locked
[08:22] <laga> i'm not sure if i understand. do you mean - if a debconf frontend is already running, eg spawned by dpkg, i can't open a new one?
[08:24] <superm1> right
[08:24] <superm1> and if you start one via the control centre, you can't start dpkg
[08:25] <laga> debconf-communicate
[08:25] <laga> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[08:25] <laga> alright.
[08:25] <laga> but i dont understand why i'd have to stop the other debconf process. i mean, it's there for a reason - why can't i say "sorry, debconf is busy, please close dpkg and apt-get"?
[08:26] <superm1> well apt is used by the control centre
[08:26] <superm1> to install things
[08:27] <laga> oh, so it's locked all the time when the control centre is run?
[08:28] <superm1> well there are two stages
[08:28] <superm1> one where all the packages are installed
[08:28] <superm1> and its locked there
[08:28] <superm1> and then the one when everything else is done
[08:30] <laga> i still don't know why we have to do things with debconf while it's locked
[08:32] <superm1> well you don't
[08:32] <superm1> but the problem is that you can't stop the debconf process
[08:32] <laga> the one i'm spawning?
[08:32] <superm1> well if your spawning it like how i was
[08:32] <superm1> then you won't be able to
[08:33] <laga> it stops automagically here
[08:33] <superm1> take a look at this: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-live-autostart/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070730052503-oehdpcngrnc7193p?file_id=mythbuntustartup-20070712081233-9hl417m08aey045i-1
[08:34] <laga> flood
[08:34] <laga> laga@prometheus:~/dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre$ echo "get debconf/frontend" | debconf-communicate
[08:34] <superm1> line 18 and 19
[08:34] <laga> debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied
[08:34] <laga> 0 Dialog
[08:34] <laga> laga@prometheus:~/dev/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre$
[08:34] <superm1> okay so your not launching it via python though
[08:34] <superm1> or debconf.yp more specifically
[08:34] <laga> yes
[08:34] <superm1> well that will work fine
[08:34] <laga> debconf.py is launching debconf-communicate, btw.
[08:34] <superm1> but has nothing to do with 'import debconf'
[08:35] <laga> in class DebconfCommunicator
[08:35] <laga> if you import DebconfCommunicator from debconf, it has
[08:36] <laga> which is was ubiquity/frontend/base.py is doing AFAIK
[08:38] <MythbuntuGuest66> Thanks for the tips..   I updated & installed displayconfig-gtk.  I was able to change my resolution somewhat..  Most choices resulted in an application crash, when it did change I would restart X and it would display at a different resolution.    Very Odd...
[08:40] <MythbuntuGuest66> To clarify: it was displayconfig-gtk that was crashing, not mythbuntu-control-center
[08:40] <laga> yeah, some things in gutsy just make you shake your head
[08:40] <laga> and i'm not talking about the heavy metal way here
[08:43] <MythbuntuGuest66> yup.  But, a quick trip to vi to edit xorg.conf gets me back to a decent resolution.
[08:43] <MythbuntuGuest66> Shoulda just done that in the first place.
[08:44] <MythbuntuGuest66> Mythbuntu looks promising.   But, for my backend-only needs, I think I will end up going with a server oriented distro.
[08:45] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest66: why?
[08:45] <laga> ubuntu is server-oriented.
[08:45] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest66: Ubuntu can be server oriented
[08:45] <laga> just dont install the gui crap, sudo aptitude install mythtv-backend-master and you're done
[08:46] <Daviey> And.. if you mix & match distro's - the packages could mismatch, come up date time
[08:46] <MythbuntuGuest66> The setup seems to assume HTPC frontend orientation..  I can see how it would greatly simplify setup for a frontend or combined back/front.   But for my needs, the pre-configuration just gets in the way.
[08:46] <MythbuntuGuest66> My server option may be Ubuntu-server.
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> do a gutsy server install then
[08:47] <Daviey> So what is the difference between a mythbuntu backend (No X) and ubuntu server + mythtv-backend?
[08:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest66: there is no difference between ubuntu and myghbuntu. it's just a different set of packages. all packages are aailable to both distros.
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> That would be practically zilch
[08:48] <Daviey> exactly..
[08:49] <MythbuntuGuest66> Maybe not much.  But, for server, I would go with Feisty at this point, and just install what I need.
[08:49] <tgm4883> I wouldn't go with feisty
[08:49] <tgm4883> but to each his own
[08:49] <laga> i wouldn't use gutsy on a server yet, agreed.
[08:50] <Daviey> Well we are doing weekly fesity builds... so you are fine for now
[08:50] <Daviey> but I wouldn't be concerned with running Gutsy server on a home-lan
[08:50] <MythbuntuGuest66> My experience with gutsy seems to show it's still a bit bleeding edge.   And, for simple backend use, I don't see any big advantages to using gutsy.
[08:50] <laga> Daviey: i'm seeing lots of segfaults in kbuntu gutsy here.
[08:51] <laga> it's not quite there yet for a production system
[08:51] <laga> TBH, some issues i find rather embarrassing, but since it's alpha i'll keep my mouth shut
[08:51] <Daviey> laga: yeah.. unionfs is whinging at boot up for me
[08:51] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, I would expect Gutsy to be a bit bleeding edge, you know, being all not released and all
[08:52] <MythbuntuGuest66> Yeah, exactly.   Which is why I would stick with stable release for my use.
[08:53] <tgm4883> well good luck with that
[08:53] <laga> i'll extend the weekly builds to edgy, i think
[08:54] <laga> cant find motivation right now, though
[08:54] <Daviey> laga: Wouldn't dapper be more pressing than edgy
[08:55] <Daviey> There is little reason for people to be using edgy, but dapper is th current LTS
[08:56] <laga> for weekly builds? no
[08:56] <laga> directhex is maintaining 0.20.2 builds for dapper
[08:56] <superm1> laga, mind you that ubiquity doesn't ever stop their debconf communicator
[08:56] <superm1> until the app closes
[08:57] <laga> Daviey: our packaging stuff won't backport easily to dapper anyways. i don't want to spend time backporting it.
[08:57] <laga> or maintaining different package sets
[09:00] <superm1> it was bad enough doing the SRU's
[09:00] <superm1> i can't imagine doing that stuff regularly
[09:00] <laga> yup
[09:00] <laga> even edgy is gonna be a pain for mythweb
[09:00] <laga> tbh, i couldn't care less right now
[09:01] <laga> superm1: ok, it should be easy enough to close the debconf frontend. if we start it, we ought to have some control over it
[09:03] <superm1> laga, like i said if you figure out how to, more power to you :)
[09:04] <laga> ya, maybe i'll give it a try
[09:04] <laga> had a different thought
[09:04] <laga> i've seen we can "reconfigure" packages in the control centre. will this spawn this apt window? where you could set the password then?
[09:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> Thanks for the help.     Later.
[09:06] <superm1> laga, those reconfigure options dont call apt actually
[09:06] <superm1> they end up just rewriting out config files
[09:10] <laga> ok.
[09:18] <superm1> that's part of the problem
[09:18] <superm1> those debconf questions aren't marked as 'seen'
[09:19] <superm1> so they get shown later if someone decides to use any type of update manager to update
[09:19] <laga> ah.
[09:22] <Mind> oh.
[09:22] <laga> bah!
[09:24] <Mind> greetz from the no1 webcastle of salzburg! austria ^^
[09:25] <laga> greetings from germany.
[10:19] <frink_> it is the screensaver causing the blanking
[10:52] <tgm4883> frink_, gnome screensaver or xscreensaver?
[11:49] <frink_> tgm4883: gnome-screensaver
[11:50] <frink_> oh, hmm, fast-forward does not seem to work