[04:23] <TexasTwister> Having problems getting Dansguardian to work with LTSP in Edubuntu... when I enable DG, it kills PXE boot. I'm using the configuration interface from Ubuntu Christian Edition (don't know if it is standard to dansguardian or custom to UCE...) but I don't see any settings that would let me select ports that should not be blocked.  Any tips?
[04:25] <TexasTwister> Was it something I said?   :-)
[04:35] <TexasTwister> Having problems getting Dansguardian to work with LTSP in Edubuntu... when I enable DG, it kills PXE boot. I'm using the configuration interface from Ubuntu Christian Edition (don't know if it is standard to dansguardian or custom to UCE...) but I don't see any settings that would let me select ports that should not be blocked.  Any tips?
[04:36] <kgoetz> tried asking them?
[04:36] <kgoetz> i susepct it would be customised
[04:37] <TexasTwister> No response at all from the IRC channel for dansguardian.  There is no IRC channel for UCE.
[04:37] <TexasTwister> Documentation for DG is "sparse" to say the least...
[04:40] <cje_> hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco, California with an edubuntu thin client lab.  I am trying to put the list of users in the user settings window into alphabetical order.  I click on the name column, but no joy.
[04:42] <cje_> ubuntu
[04:42] <cje_> oops
[04:46] <Burgundavia> cje_: ahh
[04:47] <Burgundavia> cje_: which version of Edubuntu?
[04:51] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:53] <cje_> Burgundavia, Feisty
[06:59] <bewpy> i have a question.. can you install windows programs on this os?
[06:59] <Burgundavia> yes and no
[06:59] <Burgundavia> there are a few different ways
[07:00] <Burgundavia> one way to try is wine
[07:00] <Burgundavia> another way is to emulate Windows
[07:00] <bewpy> are either of them confusing? lol
[07:01] <Burgundavia> wine can a be a bit of a headache
[07:01] <Burgundavia> what are you trying to run?
[07:02] <bewpy> well nothing in particular.. i have a few things that i would need to use daemon tools for.. like some .iso';s so idk if that would be possible
[07:03] <Burgundavia> daemon tools is unlikely to work, because it emulates hardware for windows
[08:54] <LaserJock> mwuahahahahahahahahahaha
[03:46] <delta16> hey gy's
[03:46] <delta16> *guy's
[03:46] <delta16> can someone help me ??
[03:47] <delta16> i got a prblem wen installing edubuntu as a workstation from the cd :(
[03:51] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:52] <sbalneav> delta16: What's the problem?
[03:56] <delta16> well whe i boot from the cd to install a workstation it gives me an error taht it can't finde any cd drives
[03:56] <delta16> and lets me search for driver on a disk
[03:56] <sbalneav> What kind of cdrom do you have?
[03:56] <delta16> but the strange thing is a have a NEC - 7041A
[03:57] <delta16> that is a DVD player
[03:57] <sbalneav> Is it an ide cdrom? USB?
[03:57] <delta16> burner
[03:57] <delta16> yep IDE
[03:58] <sbalneav> You have it on primary or secondary IDE?  Master or slave?
[03:58] <delta16> it;s setup as slave but as first boot device :D
[03:59] <sbalneav> Slave on the primary?
[03:59] <delta16> yep
[04:00] <sbalneav> Anything on your secondary IDE interface?
[04:00] <delta16> no
[04:00] <sbalneav> You might have better luck by making it master on the secondary device.
[04:00] <delta16> ok thanx , il try that ;)
[04:00] <sbalneav> Sometimes some drives don't like playing together as master and slave.
[04:04] <delta16> sorry , but nope ! it did not work :(
[04:05] <delta16> still the same error mesaage " cannot fine any cd drives "
[04:05] <delta16> when bootin it gives some strange error mesages, "somethint with ATA 36"
[04:05] <delta16> would that help !?
[04:07] <ogra_> sbalneav: seen the latest CDs ?
[04:07] <ogra_> :((((
[04:07] <ogra_> 757M
[04:07] <delta16> yep just downloaded
[04:08] <sbalneav> lol, even bugger.
[04:08] <sbalneav> We had a minor bug last night I discovered.
[04:08] <sbalneav> affected the cd.
[04:09] <ogra_> delta16: dont try to install from the gutsy dailies
[04:09] <ogra_> they are all broken atjm
[04:10] <delta16> no i downlod it directly form the ftp server of Twente Univeresty in the Netherlands
[04:43] <shriphani> I don't know why but gimp won't recognise an svg file..
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya
[05:18] <shriphani> sbalneav: I can't find a jpeg of the edubuntu logo.... and gimp refuses to open the svg... any ideas where I can find a jpeg or png ?
[05:22] <sbalneav> gimp refuses to open an svg?
[05:22] <sbalneav> Where's the svg you're using?
[05:24] <sbalneav> huh
[05:24] <sbalneav> so it does.
[05:24] <sbalneav> Inkscape opens it.
[05:25] <shriphani> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edubuntu_logo.svg
[05:25] <ogra_> svg is a vector format ... gimp is a bitmap editor
[05:25] <sbalneav> yeah, inkscape opens it.
[05:25] <sbalneav> You can convert to another format from there
[05:26] <shriphani> ok.
[05:28] <shriphani> 25 mb... apt-cache throws up gimp-svg. I'll download that.
[05:36] <shriphani> how do you folks approach these schools or institutions? I have had no success so far....
[05:36] <sbalneav> I've never approached a school or institution.
[05:37] <shriphani> the ones I have tried approaching seem so reluctant to change.
[05:38] <sbalneav> Yep
[05:38] <sbalneav> You'll find that.
[05:38] <shriphani> I've got two straightforward nos already.
[05:40] <sbalneav> You'll probably get a couple hundred before you get a yes :)
[05:40] <sbalneav> or even a maybe :)
[05:40] <sbalneav> ogra_: You here?
[05:41] <ogra> yep
[05:41] <ogra> all the day already :)
[06:19] <LaserJock> ogra: phew, looks like we just made it before Beta freeze :-)
[06:43] <yotux> how can I allow users to access /dev/video0
[06:44] <sbalneav> Add them to the video group in /etc/groups
[06:45] <yotux> should I use the command line to do this?
[06:45] <yotux> Sorry just starting to use the command line more
[06:46] <sbalneav> In the "users and groups" manager, you can click on the "User Priviledges" tab, and just click on the "use audio" devices. button, which, I beleive also addes them to video.
[06:46] <yotux> ok
[06:46] <LaserJock> sbalneav: get the new docs?
[06:47] <sbalneav> I'll find out tonight.
[06:47] <sbalneav> I'm at work, and my gutsy box is at home.
[06:47] <sbalneav> yotux: You could also do a adduser --group video
[06:47] <sbalneav> from the command line.
[06:47] <yotux> my system doesn't have a video group
[06:48] <sbalneav> You should, if you're running edubuntu
[06:49] <sbalneav> ogra_: WB
[06:49] <sbalneav> See my private from before?
[06:49] <yotux> Sorry it shows up in /etc/group but not the GUI manager
[06:50] <sbalneav> Like I say, in the gui, I think it's "use audio"
[06:50] <sbalneav> which does audio and video
[06:50] <yotux> ok
[06:50] <yotux> cli better
[06:51] <sbalneav> Well, if you've got a bunch of users to add, yes :)
[06:54] <sbalneav> w
[07:14] <sbalneav> ogra1: Man, you're having all kinds of problems today.
[07:14] <ogra1> nah
[07:15] <ogra1> playing with the classmate
[07:15] <sbalneav> see my priv from before?
[07:16] <ogra1> about rooming ?
[07:16] <sbalneav> yeah, and me talking
[07:16] <ogra1> yup
[07:16] <sbalneav> ok
[07:16] <sbalneav> :)
[07:18] <LaserJock> ogra1: did you make the seed changes for moodle?
[07:22] <ogra1> sadly, yes ... i'm crying all the day already
[07:22] <LaserJock> why?
[07:22] <ogra1> see the size
[07:22] <LaserJock> oh
[07:22] <LaserJock> right
[07:22] <LaserJock> holy cow!!
[07:23] <ogra1> i've dropped a lot already, next build should be a bit better
[07:23] <sbalneav> Big moodle is biiiiiiig.
[07:23] <ogra1> well, not only moodle
[07:23] <sbalneav> Where will the languages go?  Second cd?
[07:23] <ogra1> 16M are GL crap
[07:23] <LaserJock> ogra1: did you see my upload of edubuntu-docs and edubuntu-addon-meta?
[07:23] <ogra1> yes
[07:23] <ogra1> yup
[07:23] <ogra1> well done, thanks a lot
[07:24] <LaserJock> I *think* the Addon CD should be ready
[07:24] <LaserJock> I actually took the icons I needed from gartoon
[07:24] <LaserJock> and found the XFCE4 logo for that submenu
[07:25] <LaserJock> the only thing I didn't do was make .desktops for the edubuntu-addon-* metapackages
[07:25] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure exactly how they needed to be formated
[07:25] <LaserJock> and I kind of figure that's not as big of a deal for the Addon CD, more for people installing over the net
[07:26] <cberlo> Hi folks.  I'm running a couple of Edubuntu servers and I'm getting error messages about:
[07:26] <cberlo> libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted)
[07:26] <cberlo> libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
[07:26] <cberlo> Anyone know what I need to look into to fix this?  Clients are running fairly slow because of this.
[07:26] <cberlo> (sorry for the flood)
[07:28] <ogra1> LaserJock: yeah, we should look into that in hardy though
[07:29] <LaserJock> I agree
[07:29] <LaserJock> and should be easy to do so
[07:29] <LaserJock> I just figure it's a wishlist bug for now
[07:34] <cberlo> Okay, another possibility on that:  is anyone else trying to run an LTSP through a hub, as opposed to a switch?
[07:35] <ogra1> ouch, dont do that
[07:35] <cberlo> lol
[07:35] <ogra1> you will have lots and lots of package collisions
[07:35] <cberlo> ogra1: Please, tell me exactly why, oh wise one!  :)  For some reason the networking guys here say it'll be JUST FINE...
[07:36] <ogra1> well, a swich properly routes the ethernet packages to the right plug while a hub just broadcasts them to all of them
[07:37] <ogra1> thats fine for a single thin client
[07:37] <ogra1> as soon as you have more that gets bad
[07:37] <cberlo> Okay.  And with 30 clients, would this possibly produce some slowness in the responsiveness of the client?
[07:37] <sbalneav> cberlo: ltsp uses X, and X is a very chatty protocol.  It sends lots of small packets.
[07:37] <sbalneav> Your chances of collision go way, way up with hubs.
[07:37] <ogra1> SOME ???
[07:37] <sbalneav> huge amounts
[07:37] <cberlo> sbalneav: Yeah, I know.  I just have to beat the network guys here over the head to get this set up right.  Thanks for the support.  :)
[07:38] <cberlo> Thanks guys.  I knew the answer, but having something I can print out to support me is great.  Any "3rd party" documentation I could also point them to?
[07:38] <sbalneav> Edubuntu handbook
[07:39] <cberlo> sbalneav: That's actually got that kind of info in there?  Excellent!
[07:42] <LaserJock> man, this squeak stuff is ... fun
[07:43] <sbalneav> Good fun, or bad fun?
[07:43] <LaserJock> bit of both
[07:43] <LaserJock> there's so many stinking bugs
[07:43] <ogra1> heh
[07:44] <sbalneav> LaserJock: September 20, 2007  10:00:00 AM  WINNIPEG MB CA  Out for delivery
[07:44] <LaserJock> wahoo
[07:44] <LaserJock> that was fast
[07:44] <sbalneav> Guess what could be waiting for me when I get home? :)
[07:45] <sbalneav> Yeah, well, when you pay $25 shipping on a $26 book :)
[07:45] <LaserJock> you did?!?!
[07:45] <sbalneav> Yeah, got the fast service.
[07:45] <tck> anyone read this? http://www.rootly.com/topics/technology/software_news/Is_the_road_to_Moscow_paved_with_good_intentions/
[07:45] <sbalneav> Otherwise, I'd have to wait for 2 weeks :)
[07:45] <tck> they should take edubuntu really and customize it
[07:46] <LaserJock> ok, I've triaged all the squeak bugs
[07:46] <LaserJock> and they should all be fixable when we merge with the Debian packages
[07:46] <sbalneav> So, basically, ignore squeak till post gutsy?
[07:46] <LaserJock> yep
[07:46] <LaserJock> that's pretty much what I've said in the bugs
[07:46] <LaserJock> but in a nicer way
[07:47] <sbalneav> what, you saying I'm not nice? :)
[07:47] <LaserJock> I just talked to #squeak and they say the VMs should work on PPC no problem and amd64 with the patch that we've got in LP
[07:47] <LaserJock> so we'll gain those 2 archs
[07:47] <sbalneav> \o/
[07:48] <LaserJock> and they said to get rid of inisqueak
[07:48] <LaserJock> so I :p to all those bug reporters that pestered me about startsqueak ;-)
[07:52] <LaserJock> oh sweet, my changes already made the latest daily
[07:52] <sbalneav> ok, heading down to the server room to update one of our boxes at work to gutsy
[07:52] <sbalneav> wiiiishhh me luck!
[07:52] <LaserJock> alrighty folks, I'm off. I'll test out the addon cd tonight
[07:52] <LaserJock> cya sbalneav
[08:02] <ogra1> sbalneav: cant answer pm with this account, feel free to list me
[08:16] <sbalneav> k
[08:27] <sbalneav> ogra1: copied you on my email to Spare Claire.
[08:27] <ogra1> thanks :)
[08:28] <sbalneav> BFF = "Best Friends Forever", by the way :)
[08:28] <sbalneav> I indicated I was willing to take a smoking room, if they still exist.
[08:29] <ogra1> nah, dont
[08:29] <ogra1> its actuallly good to not have one
[08:30] <sbalneav> Thats harder on you though, isn't it?
[08:30] <sbalneav> You like a ciggy now and then.
[08:30] <ogra1> yeah, but good
[08:30] <sbalneav> Well, I'll let you and Claire sort that out.
[08:30] <sbalneav> :)
[08:30] <ogra1> travelling is the time of year where i smoke less
[08:30] <sbalneav> I'm good either way
[08:30] <ogra1> me too
[08:31] <sbalneav> ok, well, there we go then.
[08:31] <ogra1> :)
[09:10] <sbalneav> ogra: argh.  What's the syntax to build the chroot from a cdrom source again?
[09:10] <sbalneav> I'm having a brain f*rt
[09:13] <sbalneav> never mind
[09:13] <sbalneav> got it
[09:20] <moquist> it worries me that gutsy currently gives me no window borders and very little on-screen text (blank terminals, blank popup notifications from network manager, etc.) until I metacity --replace. Am I having a really rare problem here? I have a dual-head setup with an NVIDIA card...perhaps that's at fault?
[09:21] <moquist> I just hope it's all better before release.
[09:21] <sbalneav> This is with compiz?
[09:21] <ogra> do you have your metapackages installed ?
[09:21] <ogra> sounds like you miss teh window decorator
[09:22] <moquist> I did: 1) install feisty-server from CD 2) dist-upgrade, 3) apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. It's entirely possible I would have better results if I installed Gutsy desktop from CD...but it's not obvious why.
[09:24] <moquist> Ah! I should've used do-release-upgrade with --devel-release. Duh.
[09:25] <moquist> sbalneav, ogra: my point isn't to complain or get help fixing it. I'm just wondering if turning compiz on automatically is causing these types of problems for lots of other people.
[09:26] <moquist> I liked that in Feisty it was really easy to go into the menu and turn it back off. I wonder if there should be an easy failsafe for Gutsy, too.
[09:26] <ogra> compiz will only be used if the graphics card supports composite
[09:26] <sbalneav> Oh, not at all.  I was just wondering if it was in Compiz.
[09:26] <ogra> on these indeed its required that all needed packages are installed
[09:27] <moquist> ogra: Did I somehow miss some packages, you think?
[09:27] <ogra> the way to switch it off didnt change much
[09:27] <moquist> ogra: I'll check again.
[09:27] <ogra> its still qa setting in the preferences
[09:27] <ogra> under qappearance
[09:32] <GNu_Joe> Where would I find articles/stories/case studies on Edubuntu and schools in the U.S.?
[09:33] <GNu_Joe> Something about how teachers use it, and the impact with students
[09:34] <GNu_Joe> I understand the technical aspects, but what is there on the impact in the classroom?
[09:34] <sbalneav> There were some references to stories on the mailing list, edubuntu-users