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I'm using the configuration interface from Ubuntu Christian Edition (don't know if it is standard to dansguardian or custom to UCE...) but I don't see any settings that would let me select ports that should not be blocked. Any tips? [04:25] Was it something I said? :-) === bluekuja_ [n=andrea@host104-235-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #edubuntu === [1] Netham45 [i=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu === [2] Netham45 [n=Netham45@71.237.75.180] has joined #edubuntu [04:35] Having problems getting Dansguardian to work with LTSP in Edubuntu... when I enable DG, it kills PXE boot. I'm using the configuration interface from Ubuntu Christian Edition (don't know if it is standard to dansguardian or custom to UCE...) but I don't see any settings that would let me select ports that should not be blocked. Any tips? [04:36] tried asking them? [04:36] i susepct it would be customised [04:37] No response at all from the IRC channel for dansguardian. There is no IRC channel for UCE. === moquist_ [n=moquist@pool-70-109-151-8.cncdnh.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:37] Documentation for DG is "sparse" to say the least... === cje_ [n=cje@adsl-75-37-94-238.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:40] hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in San Francisco, California with an edubuntu thin client lab. I am trying to put the list of users in the user settings window into alphabetical order. I click on the name column, but no joy. [04:42] ubuntu [04:42] oops === [2] Netham45 is now known as Netham45 [04:46] cje_: ahh [04:47] cje_: which version of Edubuntu? [04:51] Evening all === [2] Netham45 [n=Netham45@71.237.75.180] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] Burgundavia, Feisty === [1] Netham45 [n=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu === moquist [n=safe@pool-70-109-151-8.cncdnh.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === MindfulGeek [n=Mindfulg@dhcp-0-13-10-99-17-2f.cpe.townisp.com] has joined #edubuntu === MindfulGeek [n=Mindfulg@dhcp-0-13-10-99-17-2f.cpe.townisp.com] has left #edubuntu ["Flip] === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-97-128-117.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === joris_ [i=joris@082-146-097-069.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #edubuntu === tck [n=tck@212.2.177.22] has joined #edubuntu === bewpy [n=corey542@c-24-18-22-46.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:59] i have a question.. can you install windows programs on this os? [06:59] yes and no [06:59] there are a few different ways [07:00] one way to try is wine [07:00] another way is to emulate Windows [07:00] are either of them confusing? lol [07:01] wine can a be a bit of a headache [07:01] what are you trying to run? 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[03:47] i got a prblem wen installing edubuntu as a workstation from the cd :( [03:51] Morning all [03:52] delta16: What's the problem? [03:56] well whe i boot from the cd to install a workstation it gives me an error taht it can't finde any cd drives [03:56] and lets me search for driver on a disk [03:56] What kind of cdrom do you have? === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] but the strange thing is a have a NEC - 7041A === pusakat [n=xenos@born.free.net.ph] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] that is a DVD player [03:57] Is it an ide cdrom? USB? [03:57] burner [03:57] yep IDE [03:58] You have it on primary or secondary IDE? Master or slave? [03:58] it;s setup as slave but as first boot device :D [03:59] Slave on the primary? [03:59] yep [04:00] Anything on your secondary IDE interface? [04:00] no [04:00] You might have better luck by making it master on the secondary device. [04:00] ok thanx , il try that ;) [04:00] Sometimes some drives don't like playing together as master and slave. [04:04] sorry , but nope ! it did not work :( [04:05] still the same error mesaage " cannot fine any cd drives " [04:05] when bootin it gives some strange error mesages, "somethint with ATA 36" [04:05] would that help !? [04:07] sbalneav: seen the latest CDs ? [04:07] :(((( [04:07] 757M [04:07] yep just downloaded [04:08] lol, even bugger. [04:08] We had a minor bug last night I discovered. [04:08] affected the cd. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu [04:09] delta16: dont try to install from the gutsy dailies [04:09] they are all broken atjm === ogra_ drops all languages [04:10] no i downlod it directly form the ftp server of Twente Univeresty in the Netherlands === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #edubuntu === tidrion [n=cescalan@mail.ogdenpubs.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] I don't know why but gimp won't recognise an svg file.. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] Heya === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [05:18] sbalneav: I can't find a jpeg of the edubuntu logo.... and gimp refuses to open the svg... any ideas where I can find a jpeg or png ? [05:22] gimp refuses to open an svg? [05:22] Where's the svg you're using? [05:24] huh [05:24] so it does. [05:24] Inkscape opens it. [05:25] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edubuntu_logo.svg [05:25] svg is a vector format ... gimp is a bitmap editor [05:25] yeah, inkscape opens it. [05:25] You can convert to another format from there [05:26] ok. [05:28] 25 mb... apt-cache throws up gimp-svg. I'll download that. [05:36] how do you folks approach these schools or institutions? I have had no success so far.... [05:36] I've never approached a school or institution. [05:37] the ones I have tried approaching seem so reluctant to change. [05:38] Yep [05:38] You'll find that. === ogra_ is now known as ogra === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ACCC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:38] I've got two straightforward nos already. [05:40] You'll probably get a couple hundred before you get a yes :) [05:40] or even a maybe :) [05:40] ogra_: You here? === JMega [n=JMega@84.240.56.206] has joined #edubuntu [05:41] yep [05:41] all the day already :) === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu === thedman [n=thedman@65-123-188-196.dia.static.frhs.org] has joined #edubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [06:19] ogra: phew, looks like we just made it before Beta freeze :-) === yotux [n=nathan@24-183-63-49.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:43] how can I allow users to access /dev/video0 [06:44] Add them to the video group in /etc/groups [06:45] should I use the command line to do this? [06:45] Sorry just starting to use the command line more [06:46] In the "users and groups" manager, you can click on the "User Priviledges" tab, and just click on the "use audio" devices. button, which, I beleive also addes them to video. [06:46] ok [06:46] sbalneav: get the new docs? [06:47] I'll find out tonight. [06:47] I'm at work, and my gutsy box is at home. [06:47] yotux: You could also do a adduser --group video [06:47] from the command line. [06:47] my system doesn't have a video group === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AD919.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] You should, if you're running edubuntu [06:49] ogra_: WB [06:49] See my private from before? [06:49] Sorry it shows up in /etc/group but not the GUI manager [06:50] Like I say, in the gui, I think it's "use audio" [06:50] which does audio and video [06:50] ok [06:50] cli better [06:51] Well, if you've got a bunch of users to add, yes :) === ananas [n=ananas-m@xdslcg077.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu [06:54] w === ogra1 [n=ogra@p548AD919.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] ogra1: Man, you're having all kinds of problems today. [07:14] nah [07:15] playing with the classmate [07:15] see my priv from before? [07:16] about rooming ? [07:16] yeah, and me talking [07:16] yup [07:16] ok [07:16] :) === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-243-59-26.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:18] ogra1: did you make the seed changes for moodle? === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu [07:22] sadly, yes ... i'm crying all the day already [07:22] why? [07:22] see the size [07:22] oh [07:22] right [07:22] holy cow!! [07:23] i've dropped a lot already, next build should be a bit better [07:23] Big moodle is biiiiiiig. [07:23] well, not only moodle [07:23] Where will the languages go? Second cd? [07:23] 16M are GL crap [07:23] ogra1: did you see my upload of edubuntu-docs and edubuntu-addon-meta? [07:23] yes [07:23] yup [07:23] well done, thanks a lot [07:24] I *think* the Addon CD should be ready [07:24] I actually took the icons I needed from gartoon [07:24] and found the XFCE4 logo for that submenu === cberlo [n=berloc@24.244.192.130] has joined #edubuntu [07:25] the only thing I didn't do was make .desktops for the edubuntu-addon-* metapackages [07:25] I wasn't sure exactly how they needed to be formated [07:25] and I kind of figure that's not as big of a deal for the Addon CD, more for people installing over the net [07:26] Hi folks. I'm running a couple of Edubuntu servers and I'm getting error messages about: [07:26] libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted) [07:26] libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering [07:26] Anyone know what I need to look into to fix this? Clients are running fairly slow because of this. [07:26] (sorry for the flood) [07:28] LaserJock: yeah, we should look into that in hardy though [07:29] I agree [07:29] and should be easy to do so [07:29] I just figure it's a wishlist bug for now === tck [n=tck@212.2.177.22] has joined #edubuntu [07:34] Okay, another possibility on that: is anyone else trying to run an LTSP through a hub, as opposed to a switch? [07:35] ouch, dont do that [07:35] lol [07:35] you will have lots and lots of package collisions [07:35] ogra1: Please, tell me exactly why, oh wise one! :) For some reason the networking guys here say it'll be JUST FINE... [07:36] well, a swich properly routes the ethernet packages to the right plug while a hub just broadcasts them to all of them [07:37] thats fine for a single thin client [07:37] as soon as you have more that gets bad [07:37] Okay. And with 30 clients, would this possibly produce some slowness in the responsiveness of the client? [07:37] cberlo: ltsp uses X, and X is a very chatty protocol. It sends lots of small packets. [07:37] Your chances of collision go way, way up with hubs. [07:37] SOME ??? [07:37] huge amounts [07:37] sbalneav: Yeah, I know. I just have to beat the network guys here over the head to get this set up right. Thanks for the support. :) [07:38] Thanks guys. I knew the answer, but having something I can print out to support me is great. Any "3rd party" documentation I could also point them to? [07:38] Edubuntu handbook [07:39] sbalneav: That's actually got that kind of info in there? Excellent! [07:42] man, this squeak stuff is ... fun [07:43] Good fun, or bad fun? [07:43] bit of both [07:43] there's so many stinking bugs [07:43] heh [07:44] LaserJock: September 20, 2007 10:00:00 AM WINNIPEG MB CA Out for delivery [07:44] wahoo [07:44] that was fast [07:44] Guess what could be waiting for me when I get home? :) [07:45] Yeah, well, when you pay $25 shipping on a $26 book :) [07:45] you did?!?! === jessejazza [n=chatzill@host86-132-72-72.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:45] Yeah, got the fast service. [07:45] anyone read this? http://www.rootly.com/topics/technology/software_news/Is_the_road_to_Moscow_paved_with_good_intentions/ [07:45] Otherwise, I'd have to wait for 2 weeks :) [07:45] they should take edubuntu really and customize it [07:46] ok, I've triaged all the squeak bugs [07:46] and they should all be fixable when we merge with the Debian packages [07:46] So, basically, ignore squeak till post gutsy? [07:46] yep [07:46] that's pretty much what I've said in the bugs [07:46] but in a nicer way [07:47] what, you saying I'm not nice? :) [07:47] I just talked to #squeak and they say the VMs should work on PPC no problem and amd64 with the patch that we've got in LP [07:47] so we'll gain those 2 archs [07:47] \o/ [07:48] and they said to get rid of inisqueak [07:48] so I :p to all those bug reporters that pestered me about startsqueak ;-) === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu [07:52] oh sweet, my changes already made the latest daily [07:52] ok, heading down to the server room to update one of our boxes at work to gutsy [07:52] wiiiishhh me luck! [07:52] alrighty folks, I'm off. I'll test out the addon cd tonight [07:52] cya sbalneav [08:02] sbalneav: cant answer pm with this account, feel free to list me [08:16] k === cberlo [n=berloc@24.244.192.130] has left #edubuntu [] [08:27] ogra1: copied you on my email to Spare Claire. === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu [08:27] thanks :) [08:28] BFF = "Best Friends Forever", by the way :) [08:28] I indicated I was willing to take a smoking room, if they still exist. [08:29] nah, dont [08:29] its actuallly good to not have one [08:30] Thats harder on you though, isn't it? [08:30] You like a ciggy now and then. [08:30] yeah, but good [08:30] Well, I'll let you and Claire sort that out. [08:30] :) [08:30] travelling is the time of year where i smoke less [08:30] I'm good either way [08:30] me too [08:31] ok, well, there we go then. [08:31] :) === ogra1 is now known as ogra === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === joumetal [n=joumetal@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [09:10] ogra: argh. What's the syntax to build the chroot from a cdrom source again? [09:10] I'm having a brain f*rt [09:13] never mind [09:13] got it === RichEd-2 [n=richard@dsl-245-175-248.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:20] it worries me that gutsy currently gives me no window borders and very little on-screen text (blank terminals, blank popup notifications from network manager, etc.) until I metacity --replace. Am I having a really rare problem here? I have a dual-head setup with an NVIDIA card...perhaps that's at fault? [09:21] I just hope it's all better before release. [09:21] This is with compiz? [09:21] do you have your metapackages installed ? [09:21] sounds like you miss teh window decorator [09:22] I did: 1) install feisty-server from CD 2) dist-upgrade, 3) apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. It's entirely possible I would have better results if I installed Gutsy desktop from CD...but it's not obvious why. [09:24] Ah! I should've used do-release-upgrade with --devel-release. Duh. [09:25] sbalneav, ogra: my point isn't to complain or get help fixing it. I'm just wondering if turning compiz on automatically is causing these types of problems for lots of other people. [09:26] I liked that in Feisty it was really easy to go into the menu and turn it back off. I wonder if there should be an easy failsafe for Gutsy, too. [09:26] compiz will only be used if the graphics card supports composite [09:26] Oh, not at all. I was just wondering if it was in Compiz. [09:26] on these indeed its required that all needed packages are installed [09:27] ogra: Did I somehow miss some packages, you think? [09:27] the way to switch it off didnt change much === moquist didn't see it in the menu. Huh. [09:27] ogra: I'll check again. [09:27] its still qa setting in the preferences [09:27] under qappearance === ogra pokes the classmate keyboard === GNu_Joe [i=Joe@nat/ibm/x-0cdb7ac64c9640be] has joined #edubuntu [09:32] Where would I find articles/stories/case studies on Edubuntu and schools in the U.S.? [09:33] Something about how teachers use it, and the impact with students [09:34] I understand the technical aspects, but what is there on the impact in the classroom? 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