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| mluser-home | Hello, can someone tell me what the name of the package that contains User management in the systems settings application is? | 04:49 |
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| Jucato | kde-guidance | 04:50 |
| mluser-home | Thanks | 04:51 |
| jjesse | hmm i think i messed my gutsy box up, as my main user i downloaded and compiled kde4 from svn, now when i sign in i get a message that says Error: Can't contact kdeinit!" | 04:52 |
| Jucato | you didn't create a new user for kde4? | 04:53 |
| jjesse | i forgot to :) | 04:53 |
| Jucato | ouch | 04:53 |
| jjesse | yeah my dumb mistake | 04:53 |
| Jucato | did you copy the .bashrc from techbase? | 04:53 |
| jjesse | i thought i did | 04:53 |
| jjesse | cehcekd | 04:54 |
| jjesse | checking | 04:54 |
| Jucato | perhaps you just need to comment out the one added | 04:54 |
| jjesse | yeah working on recopying the file | 04:56 |
| jjesse | fun to do in text mode :) | 04:56 |
| jjesse | hmm that didn't work | 05:01 |
| Jucato | :( | 05:02 |
| jjesse | oh well it is just a virtual machine, will learn better next time :) | 05:02 |
| Jucato | it shouldn't really have messed up your user... I mean if you unset the env vars | 05:02 |
| jjesse | i wonder if i messed up on the build somehow? | 05:02 |
| Jucato | hope you didn't install in system directories too :) | 05:03 |
| jjesse | so now i sign in at the kubuntu screen and then am kicked out to temernail and see on the screen "Running local boot scripts | 05:03 |
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| jjesse | good thing it was only a virtual machine | 05:07 |
| Jucato | :) | 05:07 |
| Jucato | sorry couldn't help a bit... | 05:08 |
| Jucato | I don't know much about the innards of KDE 4 yet to troubleshoot :( | 05:08 |
| jjesse | np i probablly did something stupd | 05:08 |
| jjesse | oh well, i'll figure it out tomorrow | 05:09 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | jjesse: did you have dbus running | 05:13 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | and did you try running kdeinit | 05:14 |
| jjesse | CPrgmSwR2: umm i thought i followed the instructions correctly | 05:14 |
| jjesse | its no big deal i'll let it run again over night, restoring snapshot | 05:14 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | ah okay | 05:14 |
| jjesse | that's the beauty of vmware :) | 05:15 |
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| mhb | fdoving: it is on the ubuntu wiki, under Artwork/Incoming or so ... the link is in the blog comments | 08:35 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I have assigned you to one beta-blocking bug in kde-guidance/settings | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: did you get the kde stuff patched? | 12:14 |
| === Lure is using Hobbsee's powers ;-) | ||
| Hobbsee | Lure: :) | 12:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: bug 138189 | 12:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 138189 in kde-systemsettings "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189 | 12:15 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I am learning fast... ;-) | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: :) | 12:15 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:17 |
| Riddell | I'll try and look at that on monday | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: if you're learning fast, then you'd soon better learn that i have no idea what's going on with the beta | 12:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: I would look into it, but has no clue, as applets work properly if started from command line - only kde-systemsettings does not work | 12:18 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: that is why I jumped in ;-) | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: as in, new times, new RM. no idea if us mere commuinty members will be stepping on toes. | 12:19 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: of course, that is why we are here ;-) | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: what, rather than being in #ubuntu-devel? | 12:20 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I meant: that is why community members exists -> to step on canonical toes ;-) | 12:21 |
| === Lure steps on Riddell's toe ;-) | ||
| Jucato | :) | 12:21 |
| === Jucato accidentally pastes the conversation in u-devel... | ||
| Hobbsee | Lure: ah right :P | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: this channel is a public channel :P | 12:23 |
| Jucato | but more eyes there heheh :) | 12:23 |
| Jucato | beta freeze... | 12:23 |
| hunger | Where can I get snapshots of the gutsy live cds? | 12:30 |
| Riddell | cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live | 12:30 |
| hunger | Thanks! | 12:32 |
| Riddell | "kubuntu/dvd: gutsy-dvd-amd64.iso oversized by 15851520 bytes" we need to find 15 megs from somewhere | 12:32 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: how many kernels does it have on it? | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: they dont work, though | 01:07 |
| Jucato | does strigidaemon have a --verbose option? | 01:08 |
| Jucato | hm.. nvm.. strace, right? :) | 01:08 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: ping | 01:52 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: pong | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: how did the security uploads go? | 01:59 |
| nixternal | I ended up being gone all day yesterday...I am working on them as we speak | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | great :) | 02:03 |
| Jucato | yeah nixternal is :) | 02:04 |
| nixternal | tired too :) | 02:05 |
| Jucato | aw.. :) | 02:05 |
| Jucato | so early in the morning? :) | 02:05 |
| Jucato | Ch. 8 - Pointers.. lovely :) | 02:07 |
| Jucato | nixternal: what are the plans for docs in KDE, like quickstart and userguide? start from scratch? | 02:09 |
| nixternal | hope not | 02:10 |
| nixternal | right now, it seems like it is just me | 02:10 |
| Jucato | PhilRod's still busy? | 02:10 |
| nixternal | oh ya | 02:11 |
| Jucato | ouch... | 02:11 |
| nixternal | that PhD stuff is no joke | 02:11 |
| nixternal | especially in the field he is doing it in | 02:11 |
| Jucato | what field? | 02:11 |
| === Jucato doesn't know | ||
| nixternal | Physics | 02:11 |
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| Jucato | tripe ouch | 02:11 |
| nixternal | he is into that particle acceleration type stuff | 02:11 |
| nixternal | he comes here to chicago a few times a year to work at Fermi Lab which is like 5 miles from my house...he is supposed to be coming here again I thought this month | 02:12 |
| Jucato | oooh... | 02:12 |
| nixternal | last time he came we hung out and just chilled...maybe this time we can do some khelpcenter hacking or something | 02:12 |
| Jucato | anyway, I did a brief glance at the userguide and read through the quickstart guide.. and I'm a bit worried that it all might not be "transferable" to the new stuff like Plasma | 02:13 |
| Jucato | must be nice to be near hackers hehehe :) | 02:13 |
| Jucato | you can chill out, hack, or both, at the same time :) | 02:13 |
| nixternal | heh, Phil is from the UK | 02:15 |
| nixternal | we have a ton of hackers though in Chicago...only a few distro hackers though | 02:16 |
| === Jucato thinks the nearest hacker he knows is more than 30 km away, and that would be jsgotangco... | ||
| nixternal | Debian, Forsight, Kubuntu (guess who?), and then a lot of weird hackers | 02:16 |
| Jucato | lol :) | 02:17 |
| Jucato | Xubuntu too, (Freddy) | 02:17 |
| nixternal | people into like lisp, ocaml... | 02:17 |
| Jucato | or does he come under the "weird hackeres" | 02:17 |
| nixternal | oh ya, Freddy and Jim C. for Xubuntu | 02:17 |
| Jucato | er.. I can't spell | 02:17 |
| nixternal | forgot about them | 02:17 |
| Jucato | hehe | 02:17 |
| nixternal | Freddy is definitely weird :) | 02:17 |
| nixternal | he has a twin brother too, which makes it even weirder | 02:18 |
| Jucato | yeah | 02:18 |
| Jucato | I was so surprised when I learned he had a twin.. who's into linux... and whom he's encouraging to get involved too | 02:18 |
| nixternal | oh, there is superm1 as well, although he is part time seeing as he is in Minnesota for school | 02:18 |
| nixternal | oh, his twin, Eddie (hahah, no they are the only two with rhyming names in his family) | 02:19 |
| nixternal | he is probably going to take over Ubuntu Chicago one day | 02:19 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:19 |
| nixternal | we poke fun at them...they are Mexican, and everyone in their family has a Mexican name, but them two, so they get picked on a lot...they are a lot of fun though...and oh man, authentic Mexican food...you can't beat that :) | 02:20 |
| nixternal | they are pretty popular on the LUG scene too... | 02:21 |
| === Jucato suddenly has a craving for tacos... even just after having eaten dinner | ||
| nixternal | I always have a craving for tacos | 02:21 |
| Jucato | haha | 02:21 |
| nixternal | that and sushi | 02:21 |
| Jucato | yum! | 02:21 |
| Jucato | I mean, apt! | 02:21 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:21 |
| nixternal | I have a bad sushi habit that is costing me over $80 a week almost | 02:22 |
| Jucato | hahah! | 02:22 |
| mhb | nixternal: did you get my mail? | 02:22 |
| nixternal | we have a killer sushi bar right up the street | 02:22 |
| nixternal | mhb: yes I did, and I uploaded it...thanks :) | 02:22 |
| Jucato | I have/had a Mt.Dew habit that's costing me 25 or more a day | 02:22 |
| nixternal | mt. dew is something I don't mess with anymore...I was worse than imbrandon could ever be with it | 02:23 |
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| Jucato | imbrandon is the reason I have the addiction :) | 02:23 |
| Jucato | or rather, reacquired it | 02:23 |
| nixternal | he does cans of it...my buddy and I, who was my roommate a few years back, we would do 2 liters in a sitting | 02:23 |
| nixternal | 2 liters each | 02:23 |
| Jucato | we only have 1.5 bottles here. but yeah in one sitting I could finish that myself | 02:23 |
| mhb | heh, that's why I drink only water now | 02:23 |
| nixternal | ya, I pretty much only drink green tea or water now myself | 02:24 |
| nixternal | and coffee in the morning | 02:24 |
| nixternal | and starbucks :) | 02:24 |
| mhb | yes, I drink tea, too - my girlfriend loves it | 02:24 |
| Jucato | ah brown rice tea :) | 02:24 |
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| nixternal | you can ask jjesse, never take eddie or freddie with you while in chicago...you will walk forever | 02:25 |
| Jucato | hehe I can walk forever :) | 02:26 |
| nixternal | hanging out with them, I can too | 02:27 |
| jjesse | morning | 02:29 |
| jjesse | nixternal: agreed | 02:29 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:29 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 02:30 |
| Jucato | moin jjesse | 02:30 |
| jjesse | morning | 02:30 |
| jjesse | so in my email was a message from a google recruiter | 02:30 |
| nixternal | ahh, I love those | 02:30 |
| ScottK | A real Google recruiter or the spam Google recruiter? | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | is there a difference? | 02:30 |
| jjesse | don't know the difference between the two | 02:30 |
| jjesse | i think the guys name was brian? recruiting for the engineer team | 02:31 |
| === ScottK has never gotten the first kind AFAIK. | ||
| jjesse | so i'm trying to figure out when and what days I should be at uds any help on that? | 02:33 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: no idea, i wont be ther | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | e | 02:43 |
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| daSkreech | nixternal: ping | 04:29 |
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| daSkreech | nixternal: http://www.myspace.com/darienshulman and kick back and listen | 04:41 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:47 |
| jjesse | heya | 04:51 |
| Jucato | heya | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Howdy jjesse, Jucato | 04:51 |
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| jjesse | ok i'm going to rebuild my kde4 vm w/o crashing it like i did last night :( | 04:53 |
| Jucato | good luck :) | 04:54 |
| jjesse | thanks | 04:54 |
| Jucato | what I'd love to learn to do is to build KDE 4 on the same user so that I can launch both KDE 3 and 4 apps and still have access to my files/data :) | 04:55 |
| stdin | Jucato: can't you do that now? | 05:07 |
| Jucato | I built it on a different user | 05:07 |
| Jucato | and I can't launch jucato apps when I su to jucato from kde-devel | 05:07 |
| stdin | I built mine in a shared /kde4 directory | 05:07 |
| stdin | I just "source .setupkde4" and run my kde4 apps :) | 05:08 |
| Jucato | you're smart. I'm not :) | 05:08 |
| Jucato | if that isn't obvious yet | 05:08 |
| stdin | you could allow your use access to kde-devel's $HOME, via a group maybe | 05:09 |
| stdin | s/use/user/ | 05:09 |
| ScottK | mhb: The gd-test.py script runs on my machine using the lastest konsole, so I think that bug is solved. | 05:13 |
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| huats | I am currently working a bug fix for efax-gtk. I have 2 problems : the icon currently used is only present in a big gnome-package and the small size of the icon (24x24)... Can anybody tell me what is the correct way to deal with that ? I think it will be to include the icon itself (and so dupplicating it) inside the efax-gtk package even if the size is too small... can anybody help guide me... | 06:09 |
| huats | ...a bit ? | 06:09 |
| === Jucato wonders if it should be in #ubuntu-devel ? | ||
| ScottK | Jucato: The question is what to do for KDE | 06:14 |
| huats | Jucato: from my point of view it is related on depending of a big gnome package for a single icon... so it is a kubuntu specific policy from my point of view... | 06:14 |
| Jucato | ahb sorry | 06:14 |
| Jucato | heheh didn't read too much | 06:14 |
| Jucato | busy with LoCo issues :/ | 06:14 |
| huats | Jucato: np | 06:15 |
| Riddell | what package is the icon in? | 06:15 |
| huats | gnome-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 | 06:16 |
| Riddell | well that's wrong, app icons should be packaged with the app | 06:16 |
| huats | it is bug #108746 | 06:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108746 in efax-gtk "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108746 | 06:16 |
| Riddell | the icon should be in efax-gtk and installed to hicolour | 06:16 |
| huats | Riddell: ok | 06:17 |
| Riddell | if gnome-icon-theme wants to install an icon into its namespace as well, that's fine too | 06:17 |
| manchicken | I wish KDE4 were stable enough to "switch" over to. | 06:18 |
| huats | Riddell: so I include the icon and install it in hicolour, even if it is only sized 24x24 ? | 06:18 |
| huats | Riddell: thanks for the answer.you've already answer my previous question :-) | 06:19 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:20 |
| Riddell | manchicken: any day now | 06:20 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Really? | 06:20 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I never know when a crazy Scotsman is going to raise my hopes just to dash them... | 06:21 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:21 |
| manchicken | ...or do crazy things like tell me to try to catch a haggis.... | 06:21 |
| Riddell | yum, haggis hunting | 06:21 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:21 |
| manchicken | To be honest, I think we ate enough tapas to make haggis look appetizing. | 06:22 |
| manchicken | ... or pretty much anything else. | 06:22 |
| manchicken | Anyway... I hope KDE4 is ready for a switch soon. | 06:23 |
| manchicken | I really dig the new kate, and I'd love to be able to actually use the contributions I made to kopete. | 06:23 |
| Jucato | ooh haven't seen the new kate yet :) | 06:24 |
| Jucato | manchicken: kinda makes you wish kate was chosen as the default rather than kwrite? :) | 06:24 |
| manchicken | Jucato: I thought kate was the default editor. | 06:25 |
| Jucato | kde4? | 06:25 |
| manchicken | I could be wrong, but I thought it was. | 06:25 |
| Jucato | unfortunately, kwrite won | 06:25 |
| === stdin loves the new kate and is using it now :) | ||
| manchicken | That is unfortunate. | 06:25 |
| Jucato | katepart is still there of course.. but kwrite... | 06:25 |
| manchicken | stdin: Are you on kde4 already? | 06:25 |
| Jucato | we *could* just ship kate as the default :P | 06:26 |
| manchicken | Jucato: I wonder why. I could see them doing that on the basis of simplicity. | 06:26 |
| stdin | I'm not in a KDE4 session, but I'm using kde4's kate | 06:26 |
| Jucato | that's why. I think | 06:26 |
| Jucato | I really wouldn't mind kwrite, if only it had tabs... | 06:26 |
| Jucato | without that, I feel even less powerful than gedit :P | 06:26 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 06:27 |
| manchicken | That's a good idea. | 06:27 |
| Jucato | which is? :) | 06:27 |
| manchicken | Jucato: I think a lot of people like the idea of not having tabs because they think it's simpler. | 06:27 |
| Jucato | and they like 5 windows instead of 1 with 5 tabs? :) | 06:28 |
| manchicken | I'm a moderate on the issue. Give me configurable tabs, and turn them off by default. | 06:28 |
| manchicken | That way everybody's happy. | 06:28 |
| manchicken | Some new folks just aren't used to tabs. | 06:28 |
| manchicken | And not everything needs tabs. | 06:28 |
| Jucato | of course... but I need at least 2 apps to have tabs... text editor and web browser... file manager I can manage :) | 06:29 |
| manchicken | We need to have a script that will remove all of the gnome programs from KDE menus :) | 06:29 |
| manchicken | That's why we should have them configurable :) | 06:29 |
| Jucato | unfortunately... | 06:30 |
| Jucato | someone made/is making a patch for Dolphin that introduces tabs... shot down :) | 06:30 |
| Jucato | hm.. shot down sounds too violent. "denied" more like it :) | 06:31 |
| stdin | or "rejected" | 06:32 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:32 |
| Jucato | it works though. tested it | 06:32 |
| Jucato | that would have been a deciding point for me to use and love Dolphin :) | 06:32 |
| huats | Riddell: do I have to change the name of the icon to efax-gtk or can I let it to stock_send-fax.png ? | 06:33 |
| manchicken | I wouldn't mind tabs in dolphin. | 06:33 |
| Jucato | I would love them :) | 06:33 |
| manchicken | I just think they should be optional and turned off by default. | 06:33 |
| stdin | KDE: "We had tabs before they were cool" :p | 06:33 |
| manchicken | heh' | 06:33 |
| Jucato | KDE 4: "So now we're removing them" :) | 06:34 |
| Riddell | huats: whatever the .desktop says | 06:34 |
| ScottK | Jucato: Is it because choice is bad and we want to be more like Gnome? | 06:34 |
| manchicken | My goodness real Mexican food is good. | 06:34 |
| huats | Riddell: ok, so I let the name stock_send-fax.png. thanks | 06:34 |
| Jucato | ScottK: I think it was a miix of some reasons here and there :) | 06:35 |
| ScottK | OK. | 06:35 |
| Jucato | ScottK: actually, it was more like a response to a popular/vocal demand for a simpler file manager | 06:35 |
| ScottK | I can see an argument for off by default, but not for not allowed to be possible. | 06:35 |
| Jucato | and they think they could get away with it since Konq will still be there by default | 06:35 |
| Jucato | manchicken: quick question. are we still going to have that welcome page/screen in adept updater? | 06:39 |
| manchicken | For Gutsy, unfortunately. | 06:40 |
| manchicken | I've completely dropped the ball on some of this stuff. | 06:40 |
| Jucato | adept is that difficult? :) | 06:40 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Not that difficult, but pregnant wives are. | 06:41 |
| Jucato | oh yeah.. forgot about that :) | 06:41 |
| manchicken | So is buying a house, moving twice, and changing jobs twice :) | 06:41 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:41 |
| Jucato | wow! very active life :) | 06:42 |
| manchicken | I'm just happy because a big repair I need to make to my house is turning out to cost less than half of what I thought it would. | 06:42 |
| manchicken | Life happens :) | 06:43 |
| Jucato | aaah life.. :) | 06:44 |
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| jjesse | is there a channel for good support on setting up kde4? | 08:08 |
| jjesse | #kde4? | 08:08 |
| jjesse | hmm might have figured it out | 08:11 |
| Riddell | hello everyone | 08:19 |
| Riddell | say hi to La Laguna | 08:19 |
| jjesse | hello la laguna | 08:29 |
| jjesse | or is it Hola La Laguna | 08:30 |
| jjesse | hello Riddell | 08:30 |
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| nixternal | I am going to have a kdebase update for Gutsy if someone wants to upload | 11:47 |
| nixternal | security fix and updated the kubuntu_33 patch to fix the documentation link for the Kubuntu documentation | 11:47 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase_kdmsecfix_doclinkupdate.debdiff | 12:15 |
| nixternal | that is a fix for the security vuln that came out yesterday for kdm, and I also updated the kubuntu docs link in konqi startpage | 12:16 |
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