[04:49] <mluser-home> Hello, can someone tell me what the name of the package that contains User management in the systems settings application is?
[04:50] <Jucato> kde-guidance
[04:51] <mluser-home> Thanks
[04:52] <jjesse> hmm i think i messed my gutsy box up, as my main user i downloaded and compiled kde4 from svn, now when i sign in i get a message that says Error: Can't contact kdeinit!"
[04:53] <Jucato> you didn't create a new user for kde4?
[04:53] <jjesse> i forgot to :)
[04:53] <Jucato> ouch
[04:53] <jjesse> yeah my dumb mistake
[04:53] <Jucato> did you copy the .bashrc from techbase?
[04:53] <jjesse> i thought i did
[04:54] <jjesse> cehcekd
[04:54] <jjesse> checking
[04:54] <Jucato> perhaps you just need to comment out the one added
[04:56] <jjesse> yeah working on recopying the file
[04:56] <jjesse> fun to do in text mode :)
[05:01] <jjesse> hmm that didn't work
[05:02] <Jucato> :(
[05:02] <jjesse> oh well it is just a virtual machine, will learn better next time :)
[05:02] <Jucato> it shouldn't really have messed up your user... I mean if you unset the env vars
[05:02] <jjesse> i wonder if i messed up on the build somehow?
[05:03] <Jucato> hope you didn't install in system directories too :)
[05:03] <jjesse> so now i sign in at the kubuntu screen and then am kicked out to temernail and see on the screen "Running local boot scripts
[05:07] <jjesse> good thing it was only a virtual machine
[05:07] <Jucato> :)
[05:08] <Jucato> sorry couldn't help a bit...
[05:08] <Jucato> I don't know much about the innards of KDE 4 yet to troubleshoot :(
[05:08] <jjesse> np i probablly did something stupd
[05:09] <jjesse> oh well, i'll figure it out tomorrow
[05:13] <CPrgmSwR2> jjesse: did you have dbus running
[05:14] <CPrgmSwR2> and did you try running kdeinit
[05:14] <jjesse> CPrgmSwR2: umm i thought i followed the instructions correctly
[05:14] <jjesse> its no big deal i'll let it run again over night, restoring snapshot
[05:14] <CPrgmSwR2> ah okay
[05:15] <jjesse> that's the beauty of vmware :)
[08:35] <mhb> fdoving: it is on the ubuntu wiki, under Artwork/Incoming or so ... the link is in the blog comments
[12:14] <Lure> Riddell: I have assigned you to one beta-blocking bug in kde-guidance/settings
[12:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you get the kde stuff patched?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[12:15] <Lure> Riddell: bug 138189
[12:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138189 in kde-systemsettings "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189
[12:15] <Lure> Hobbsee: I am learning fast... ;-)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[12:17] <Riddell> hmm
[12:17] <Riddell> I'll try and look at that on monday
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: if you're learning fast, then you'd soon better learn that i have no idea what's going on with the beta
[12:18] <Lure> Riddell: I would look into it, but has no clue, as applets work properly if started from command line - only kde-systemsettings does not work
[12:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is why I jumped in ;-)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: as in, new times, new RM.  no idea if us mere commuinty members will be stepping on toes.
[12:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: of course, that is why we are here ;-)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: what, rather than being in #ubuntu-devel?
[12:21] <Lure> Hobbsee: I meant: that is why community members exists -> to step on canonical toes ;-)
[12:21] <Jucato> :)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah right :P
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: this channel is a public channel :P
[12:23] <Jucato> but more eyes there heheh :)
[12:23] <Jucato> beta freeze...
[12:30] <hunger> Where can I get snapshots of the gutsy live cds?
[12:30] <Riddell> cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live
[12:32] <hunger> Thanks!
[12:32] <Riddell> "kubuntu/dvd: gutsy-dvd-amd64.iso oversized by 15851520 bytes" we need to find 15 megs from somewhere
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how many kernels does it have on it?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hunger: they dont work, though
[01:08] <Jucato> does strigidaemon have a --verbose option?
[01:08] <Jucato> hm.. nvm.. strace, right? :)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping
[01:59] <nixternal> Hobbsee: pong
[01:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how did the security uploads go?
[02:00] <nixternal> I ended up being gone all day yesterday...I am working on them as we speak
[02:03] <Hobbsee> great :)
[02:04] <Jucato> yeah nixternal is :)
[02:05] <nixternal> tired too :)
[02:05] <Jucato> aw.. :)
[02:05] <Jucato> so early in the morning? :)
[02:07] <Jucato> Ch. 8 - Pointers.. lovely :)
[02:09] <Jucato> nixternal: what are the plans for docs in KDE, like quickstart and userguide? start from scratch?
[02:10] <nixternal> hope not
[02:10] <nixternal> right now, it seems like it is just me
[02:10] <Jucato> PhilRod's still busy?
[02:11] <nixternal> oh ya
[02:11] <Jucato> ouch...
[02:11] <nixternal> that PhD stuff is no joke
[02:11] <nixternal> especially in the field he is doing it in
[02:11] <Jucato> what field?
[02:11] <nixternal> Physics
[02:11] <Jucato> tripe ouch
[02:11] <nixternal> he is into that particle acceleration type stuff
[02:12] <nixternal> he comes here to chicago a few times a year to work at Fermi Lab which is like 5 miles from my house...he is supposed to be coming here again I thought this month
[02:12] <Jucato> oooh...
[02:12] <nixternal> last time he came we hung out and just chilled...maybe this time we can do some khelpcenter hacking or something
[02:13] <Jucato> anyway, I did a brief glance at the userguide and read through the quickstart guide.. and I'm a bit worried that it all might not be "transferable" to the new stuff like Plasma
[02:13] <Jucato> must be nice to be near hackers hehehe :)
[02:13] <Jucato> you can chill out, hack, or both, at the same time :)
[02:15] <nixternal> heh, Phil is from the UK
[02:16] <nixternal> we have a ton of hackers though in Chicago...only a few distro hackers though
[02:16] <nixternal> Debian, Forsight, Kubuntu (guess who?), and then a lot of weird hackers
[02:17] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:17] <Jucato> Xubuntu too, (Freddy)
[02:17] <nixternal> people into like lisp, ocaml...
[02:17] <Jucato> or does he come under the "weird hackeres"
[02:17] <nixternal> oh ya, Freddy and Jim C. for Xubuntu
[02:17] <Jucato> er.. I can't spell
[02:17] <nixternal> forgot about them
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe
[02:17] <nixternal> Freddy is definitely weird :)
[02:18] <nixternal> he has a twin brother too, which makes it even weirder
[02:18] <Jucato> yeah
[02:18] <Jucato> I was so surprised when I learned he had a twin.. who's into linux... and whom he's encouraging to get involved too
[02:18] <nixternal> oh, there is superm1 as well, although he is part time seeing as he is in Minnesota for school
[02:19] <nixternal> oh, his twin, Eddie (hahah, no they are the only two with rhyming names in his family)
[02:19] <nixternal> he is probably going to take over Ubuntu Chicago one day
[02:19] <Jucato> lol
[02:20] <nixternal> we poke fun at them...they are Mexican, and everyone in their family has a Mexican name, but them two, so they get picked on a lot...they are a lot of fun though...and oh man, authentic Mexican food...you can't beat that :)
[02:21] <nixternal> they are pretty popular on the LUG scene too...
[02:21] <nixternal> I always have a craving for tacos
[02:21] <Jucato> haha
[02:21] <nixternal> that and sushi
[02:21] <Jucato> yum!
[02:21] <Jucato> I mean, apt!
[02:21] <nixternal> haha
[02:22] <nixternal> I have a bad sushi habit that is costing me over $80 a week almost
[02:22] <Jucato> hahah!
[02:22] <mhb> nixternal: did you get my mail?
[02:22] <nixternal> we have a killer sushi bar right up the street
[02:22] <nixternal> mhb: yes I did, and I uploaded it...thanks :)
[02:22] <Jucato> I have/had a Mt.Dew habit that's costing me 25 or more a day
[02:23] <nixternal> mt. dew is something I don't mess with anymore...I was worse than imbrandon could ever be with it
[02:23] <Jucato> imbrandon is the reason I have the addiction :)
[02:23] <Jucato> or rather, reacquired it
[02:23] <nixternal> he does cans of it...my buddy and I, who was my roommate a few years back, we would do 2 liters in a sitting
[02:23] <nixternal> 2 liters each
[02:23] <Jucato> we only have 1.5 bottles here. but yeah in one sitting I could finish that myself
[02:23] <mhb> heh, that's why I drink only water now
[02:24] <nixternal> ya, I pretty much only drink green tea or water now myself
[02:24] <nixternal> and coffee in the morning
[02:24] <nixternal> and starbucks :)
[02:24] <mhb> yes, I drink tea, too - my girlfriend loves it
[02:24] <Jucato> ah brown rice tea :)
[02:25] <nixternal> you can ask jjesse, never take eddie or freddie with you while in chicago...you will walk forever
[02:26] <Jucato> hehe I can walk forever :)
[02:27] <nixternal> hanging out with them, I can too
[02:29] <jjesse> morning
[02:29] <jjesse> nixternal: agreed
[02:29] <nixternal> hehe
[02:30] <nixternal> mornin'
[02:30] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[02:30] <jjesse> morning
[02:30] <jjesse> so in my email was a message from a google recruiter
[02:30] <nixternal> ahh, I love those
[02:30] <ScottK> A real Google recruiter or the spam Google recruiter?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> is there a difference?
[02:30] <jjesse> don't know the difference between the two
[02:31] <jjesse> i think the guys name was brian? recruiting for the engineer team
[02:33] <jjesse> so i'm trying to figure out when and what days I should be at uds any help on that?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no idea, i wont be ther
[02:43] <Hobbsee> e
[04:29] <daSkreech> nixternal: ping
[04:41] <daSkreech> nixternal: http://www.myspace.com/darienshulman and kick back and listen
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya
[04:51] <jjesse> heya
[04:51] <Jucato> heya
[04:51] <bddebian> Howdy jjesse, Jucato
[04:53] <jjesse> ok i'm going to rebuild my kde4 vm w/o crashing it like i did last night :(
[04:54] <Jucato> good luck :)
[04:54] <jjesse> thanks
[04:55] <Jucato> what I'd love to learn to do is to build KDE 4 on the same user so that I can launch both KDE 3 and 4 apps and still have access to my files/data :)
[05:07] <stdin> Jucato: can't you do that now?
[05:07] <Jucato> I built it on a different user
[05:07] <Jucato> and I can't launch jucato apps when I su to jucato from kde-devel
[05:07] <stdin> I built mine in a shared /kde4 directory
[05:08] <stdin> I just "source .setupkde4" and run my kde4 apps :)
[05:08] <Jucato> you're smart. I'm not :)
[05:08] <Jucato> if that isn't obvious yet
[05:09] <stdin> you could allow your use access to kde-devel's $HOME, via a group maybe
[05:09] <stdin> s/use/user/
[05:13] <ScottK> mhb: The gd-test.py script runs on my machine using the lastest konsole, so I think that bug is solved.
[06:09] <huats> I am currently working a bug fix for efax-gtk. I have 2 problems : the icon currently used is only present in a big gnome-package and the small size of the icon (24x24)... Can anybody tell me what is the correct way to deal with that ? I think it will be to include the icon itself (and so dupplicating it) inside the efax-gtk package even if the size is too small... can anybody help guide me...
[06:09] <huats> ...a bit ?
[06:14] <ScottK> Jucato: The question is what to do for KDE
[06:14] <huats> Jucato: from my point of view it is related on depending of a big gnome package for a single icon... so it is a kubuntu specific policy from my point of view...
[06:14] <Jucato> ahb sorry
[06:14] <Jucato> heheh didn't read too much
[06:14] <Jucato> busy with LoCo issues :/
[06:15] <huats> Jucato: np
[06:15] <Riddell> what package is the icon in?
[06:16] <huats> gnome-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2
[06:16] <Riddell> well that's wrong, app icons should be packaged with the app
[06:16] <huats> it is bug #108746
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108746 in efax-gtk "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108746
[06:16] <Riddell> the icon should be in efax-gtk and installed to hicolour
[06:17] <huats> Riddell: ok
[06:17] <Riddell> if gnome-icon-theme wants to install an icon into its namespace as well, that's fine too
[06:18] <manchicken> I wish KDE4 were stable enough to "switch" over to.
[06:18] <huats> Riddell: so I include the icon and install it in hicolour, even if it is only sized 24x24  ?
[06:19] <huats> Riddell: thanks for the answer.you've already answer my previous question :-)
[06:20] <Riddell> yes
[06:20] <Riddell> manchicken: any day now
[06:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Really?
[06:21] <manchicken> Riddell: I never know when a crazy Scotsman is going to raise my hopes just to dash them...
[06:21] <manchicken> heh
[06:21] <manchicken> ...or do crazy things like tell me to try to catch a haggis....
[06:21] <Riddell> yum, haggis hunting
[06:21] <manchicken> heh
[06:22] <manchicken> To be honest, I think we ate enough tapas to make haggis look appetizing.
[06:22] <manchicken> ... or pretty much anything else.
[06:23] <manchicken> Anyway... I hope KDE4 is ready for a switch soon.
[06:23] <manchicken> I really dig the new kate, and I'd love to be able to actually use the contributions I made to kopete.
[06:24] <Jucato> ooh haven't seen the new kate yet :)
[06:24] <Jucato> manchicken: kinda makes you wish kate was chosen as the default rather than kwrite? :)
[06:25] <manchicken> Jucato: I thought kate was the default editor.
[06:25] <Jucato> kde4?
[06:25] <manchicken> I could be wrong, but I thought it was.
[06:25] <Jucato> unfortunately, kwrite won
[06:25] <manchicken> That is unfortunate.
[06:25] <Jucato> katepart is still there of course.. but kwrite...
[06:25] <manchicken> stdin: Are you on kde4 already?
[06:26] <Jucato> we *could* just ship kate as the default :P
[06:26] <manchicken> Jucato: I wonder why.  I could see them doing that on the basis of simplicity.
[06:26] <stdin> I'm not in a KDE4 session, but I'm using kde4's kate
[06:26] <Jucato> that's why. I think
[06:26] <Jucato> I really wouldn't mind kwrite, if only it had tabs...
[06:26] <Jucato> without that, I feel even less powerful than gedit :P
[06:27] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:27] <manchicken> That's a good idea.
[06:27] <Jucato> which is? :)
[06:27] <manchicken> Jucato: I think a lot of people like the idea of not having tabs because they think it's simpler.
[06:28] <Jucato> and they like 5 windows instead of 1 with 5 tabs? :)
[06:28] <manchicken> I'm a moderate on the issue.  Give me configurable tabs, and turn them off by default.
[06:28] <manchicken> That way everybody's happy.
[06:28] <manchicken> Some new folks just aren't used to tabs.
[06:28] <manchicken> And not everything needs tabs.
[06:29] <Jucato> of course... but I need at least 2 apps to have tabs... text editor and web browser... file manager I can manage :)
[06:29] <manchicken> We need to have a script that will remove all of the gnome programs from KDE menus :)
[06:29] <manchicken> That's why we should have them configurable :)
[06:30] <Jucato> unfortunately...
[06:30] <Jucato> someone made/is making a patch for Dolphin that introduces tabs... shot down :)
[06:31] <Jucato> hm.. shot down sounds too violent. "denied" more like it :)
[06:32] <stdin> or "rejected"
[06:32] <Jucato> :)
[06:32] <Jucato> it works though. tested it
[06:32] <Jucato> that would have been a deciding point for me to use and love Dolphin :)
[06:33] <huats> Riddell: do I have to change the name of the icon to efax-gtk or can I let it to stock_send-fax.png ?
[06:33] <manchicken> I wouldn't mind tabs in dolphin.
[06:33] <Jucato> I would love them :)
[06:33] <manchicken> I just think they should be optional and turned off by default.
[06:33] <stdin> KDE: "We had tabs before they were cool" :p
[06:33] <manchicken> heh'
[06:34] <Jucato> KDE 4: "So now we're removing them" :)
[06:34] <Riddell> huats: whatever the .desktop says
[06:34] <ScottK> Jucato: Is it because choice is bad and we want to be more like Gnome?
[06:34] <manchicken> My goodness real Mexican food is good.
[06:34] <huats> Riddell: ok, so I let the name stock_send-fax.png. thanks
[06:35] <Jucato> ScottK: I think it was a miix of some reasons here and there :)
[06:35] <ScottK> OK.
[06:35] <Jucato> ScottK: actually, it was more like a response to a popular/vocal demand for a simpler file manager
[06:35] <ScottK> I can see an argument for off by default, but not for not allowed to be possible.
[06:35] <Jucato> and they think they could get away with it since Konq will still be there by default
[06:39] <Jucato> manchicken: quick question. are we still going to have that welcome page/screen in adept updater?
[06:40] <manchicken> For Gutsy, unfortunately.
[06:40] <manchicken> I've completely dropped the ball on some of this stuff.
[06:40] <Jucato> adept is that difficult? :)
[06:41] <manchicken> Jucato: Not that difficult, but pregnant wives are.
[06:41] <Jucato> oh yeah.. forgot about that :)
[06:41] <manchicken> So is buying a house, moving twice, and changing jobs twice :)
[06:41] <manchicken> heh
[06:42] <Jucato> wow! very active life :)
[06:42] <manchicken> I'm just happy because a big repair I need to make to my house is turning out to cost less than half of what I thought it would.
[06:43] <manchicken> Life happens :)
[06:44] <Jucato> aaah life.. :)
[08:08] <jjesse> is there a channel for good support on setting up kde4?
[08:08] <jjesse> #kde4?
[08:11] <jjesse> hmm might have figured it out
[08:19] <Riddell> hello everyone
[08:19] <Riddell> say hi to La Laguna
[08:29] <jjesse> hello la laguna
[08:30] <jjesse> or is it Hola La Laguna
[08:30] <jjesse> hello Riddell
[11:47] <nixternal> I am going to have a kdebase update for Gutsy if someone wants to upload
[11:47] <nixternal> security fix and updated the kubuntu_33 patch to fix the documentation link for the Kubuntu documentation
[12:15] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase_kdmsecfix_doclinkupdate.debdiff
[12:16] <nixternal> that is a fix for the security vuln that came out yesterday for kdm, and I also updated the kubuntu docs link in konqi startpage