=== nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-149.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl_ [n=michael@e180074129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.176.60] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yharrow_dishwash is now known as yharrow_wii === yharrow_wii is now known as n8k99 === danimo_ [n=danimo@dslb-088-072-214-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@221.201.63.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-149.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati_ is now known as innovati === apachelogger_ [n=me@N937P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F753D6.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5356A6E4.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@kde/developer/jkekkonen] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mluser-home [n=mluser-h@ip68-0-70-23.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] Hello, can someone tell me what the name of the package that contains User management in the systems settings application is? [04:50] kde-guidance [04:51] Thanks [04:52] hmm i think i messed my gutsy box up, as my main user i downloaded and compiled kde4 from svn, now when i sign in i get a message that says Error: Can't contact kdeinit!" [04:53] you didn't create a new user for kde4? [04:53] i forgot to :) [04:53] ouch [04:53] yeah my dumb mistake [04:53] did you copy the .bashrc from techbase? [04:53] i thought i did [04:54] cehcekd [04:54] checking [04:54] perhaps you just need to comment out the one added [04:56] yeah working on recopying the file [04:56] fun to do in text mode :) [05:01] hmm that didn't work [05:02] :( [05:02] oh well it is just a virtual machine, will learn better next time :) [05:02] it shouldn't really have messed up your user... I mean if you unset the env vars [05:02] i wonder if i messed up on the build somehow? [05:03] hope you didn't install in system directories too :) [05:03] so now i sign in at the kubuntu screen and then am kicked out to temernail and see on the screen "Running local boot scripts === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-061-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] good thing it was only a virtual machine [05:07] :) [05:08] sorry couldn't help a bit... [05:08] I don't know much about the innards of KDE 4 yet to troubleshoot :( [05:08] np i probablly did something stupd [05:09] oh well, i'll figure it out tomorrow [05:13] jjesse: did you have dbus running [05:14] and did you try running kdeinit [05:14] CPrgmSwR2: umm i thought i followed the instructions correctly [05:14] its no big deal i'll let it run again over night, restoring snapshot [05:14] ah okay [05:15] that's the beauty of vmware :) === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954096.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@154-131.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ [n=me@N937P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg [n=me@N937P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N937P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBAD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@212.103.157.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:35] fdoving: it is on the ubuntu wiki, under Artwork/Incoming or so ... the link is in the blog comments === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@212.103.157.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-19-31.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile1 [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ [n=me@N908P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] Riddell: I have assigned you to one beta-blocking bug in kde-guidance/settings [12:14] nixternal: did you get the kde stuff patched? === Lure is using Hobbsee's powers ;-) [12:15] Lure: :) [12:15] Riddell: bug 138189 [12:15] Launchpad bug 138189 in kde-systemsettings "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189 [12:15] Hobbsee: I am learning fast... ;-) [12:15] Lure: :) [12:17] hmm [12:17] I'll try and look at that on monday [12:17] Lure: if you're learning fast, then you'd soon better learn that i have no idea what's going on with the beta [12:18] Riddell: I would look into it, but has no clue, as applets work properly if started from command line - only kde-systemsettings does not work [12:18] Hobbsee: that is why I jumped in ;-) [12:19] Lure: as in, new times, new RM. no idea if us mere commuinty members will be stepping on toes. [12:20] Hobbsee: of course, that is why we are here ;-) [12:20] Lure: what, rather than being in #ubuntu-devel? [12:21] Hobbsee: I meant: that is why community members exists -> to step on canonical toes ;-) === Lure steps on Riddell's toe ;-) [12:21] :) === Jucato accidentally pastes the conversation in u-devel... [12:22] Lure: ah right :P [12:23] Jucato: this channel is a public channel :P [12:23] but more eyes there heheh :) [12:23] beta freeze... [12:30] Where can I get snapshots of the gutsy live cds? [12:30] cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live [12:32] Thanks! [12:32] "kubuntu/dvd: gutsy-dvd-amd64.iso oversized by 15851520 bytes" we need to find 15 megs from somewhere === jpetso [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] Riddell: how many kernels does it have on it? [01:07] hunger: they dont work, though [01:08] does strigidaemon have a --verbose option? [01:08] hm.. nvm.. strace, right? :) === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@154-131.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [01:52] nixternal: ping === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:59] Hobbsee: pong [01:59] nixternal: how did the security uploads go? [02:00] I ended up being gone all day yesterday...I am working on them as we speak [02:03] great :) [02:04] yeah nixternal is :) [02:05] tired too :) [02:05] aw.. :) [02:05] so early in the morning? :) [02:07] Ch. 8 - Pointers.. lovely :) [02:09] nixternal: what are the plans for docs in KDE, like quickstart and userguide? start from scratch? [02:10] hope not [02:10] right now, it seems like it is just me [02:10] PhilRod's still busy? [02:11] oh ya [02:11] ouch... [02:11] that PhD stuff is no joke [02:11] especially in the field he is doing it in [02:11] what field? === Jucato doesn't know [02:11] Physics === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBAD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] tripe ouch [02:11] he is into that particle acceleration type stuff [02:12] he comes here to chicago a few times a year to work at Fermi Lab which is like 5 miles from my house...he is supposed to be coming here again I thought this month [02:12] oooh... [02:12] last time he came we hung out and just chilled...maybe this time we can do some khelpcenter hacking or something [02:13] anyway, I did a brief glance at the userguide and read through the quickstart guide.. and I'm a bit worried that it all might not be "transferable" to the new stuff like Plasma [02:13] must be nice to be near hackers hehehe :) [02:13] you can chill out, hack, or both, at the same time :) [02:15] heh, Phil is from the UK [02:16] we have a ton of hackers though in Chicago...only a few distro hackers though === Jucato thinks the nearest hacker he knows is more than 30 km away, and that would be jsgotangco... [02:16] Debian, Forsight, Kubuntu (guess who?), and then a lot of weird hackers [02:17] lol :) [02:17] Xubuntu too, (Freddy) [02:17] people into like lisp, ocaml... [02:17] or does he come under the "weird hackeres" [02:17] oh ya, Freddy and Jim C. for Xubuntu [02:17] er.. I can't spell [02:17] forgot about them [02:17] hehe [02:17] Freddy is definitely weird :) [02:18] he has a twin brother too, which makes it even weirder [02:18] yeah [02:18] I was so surprised when I learned he had a twin.. who's into linux... and whom he's encouraging to get involved too [02:18] oh, there is superm1 as well, although he is part time seeing as he is in Minnesota for school [02:19] oh, his twin, Eddie (hahah, no they are the only two with rhyming names in his family) [02:19] he is probably going to take over Ubuntu Chicago one day [02:19] lol [02:20] we poke fun at them...they are Mexican, and everyone in their family has a Mexican name, but them two, so they get picked on a lot...they are a lot of fun though...and oh man, authentic Mexican food...you can't beat that :) [02:21] they are pretty popular on the LUG scene too... === Jucato suddenly has a craving for tacos... even just after having eaten dinner [02:21] I always have a craving for tacos [02:21] haha [02:21] that and sushi [02:21] yum! [02:21] I mean, apt! [02:21] haha [02:22] I have a bad sushi habit that is costing me over $80 a week almost [02:22] hahah! [02:22] nixternal: did you get my mail? [02:22] we have a killer sushi bar right up the street [02:22] mhb: yes I did, and I uploaded it...thanks :) [02:22] I have/had a Mt.Dew habit that's costing me 25 or more a day [02:23] mt. dew is something I don't mess with anymore...I was worse than imbrandon could ever be with it === alleeHol [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] imbrandon is the reason I have the addiction :) [02:23] or rather, reacquired it [02:23] he does cans of it...my buddy and I, who was my roommate a few years back, we would do 2 liters in a sitting [02:23] 2 liters each [02:23] we only have 1.5 bottles here. but yeah in one sitting I could finish that myself [02:23] heh, that's why I drink only water now [02:24] ya, I pretty much only drink green tea or water now myself [02:24] and coffee in the morning [02:24] and starbucks :) [02:24] yes, I drink tea, too - my girlfriend loves it [02:24] ah brown rice tea :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] you can ask jjesse, never take eddie or freddie with you while in chicago...you will walk forever [02:26] hehe I can walk forever :) [02:27] hanging out with them, I can too [02:29] morning [02:29] nixternal: agreed [02:29] hehe [02:30] mornin' [02:30] moin jjesse [02:30] morning [02:30] so in my email was a message from a google recruiter [02:30] ahh, I love those [02:30] A real Google recruiter or the spam Google recruiter? [02:30] is there a difference? [02:30] don't know the difference between the two [02:31] i think the guys name was brian? recruiting for the engineer team === ScottK has never gotten the first kind AFAIK. [02:33] so i'm trying to figure out when and what days I should be at uds any help on that? === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@18.96.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] jjesse: no idea, i wont be ther [02:43] e === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === \sh_away is now known as \sh === stdin_ [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@katapult/developer/tvo] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erov [n=j@c-76-22-137-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB1E65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBAD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180074129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] nixternal: ping === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@213.151.124.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] nixternal: http://www.myspace.com/darienshulman and kick back and listen === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:47] Heya [04:51] heya [04:51] heya [04:51] Howdy jjesse, Jucato === Lure_ [n=lure@212.103.157.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] ok i'm going to rebuild my kde4 vm w/o crashing it like i did last night :( [04:54] good luck :) [04:54] thanks [04:55] what I'd love to learn to do is to build KDE 4 on the same user so that I can launch both KDE 3 and 4 apps and still have access to my files/data :) [05:07] Jucato: can't you do that now? [05:07] I built it on a different user [05:07] and I can't launch jucato apps when I su to jucato from kde-devel [05:07] I built mine in a shared /kde4 directory [05:08] I just "source .setupkde4" and run my kde4 apps :) [05:08] you're smart. I'm not :) [05:08] if that isn't obvious yet [05:09] you could allow your use access to kde-devel's $HOME, via a group maybe [05:09] s/use/user/ [05:13] mhb: The gd-test.py script runs on my machine using the lastest konsole, so I think that bug is solved. === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger === Lure [n=lure@212.103.157.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-234-148.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:09] I am currently working a bug fix for efax-gtk. I have 2 problems : the icon currently used is only present in a big gnome-package and the small size of the icon (24x24)... Can anybody tell me what is the correct way to deal with that ? I think it will be to include the icon itself (and so dupplicating it) inside the efax-gtk package even if the size is too small... can anybody help guide me... [06:09] ...a bit ? === Jucato wonders if it should be in #ubuntu-devel ? [06:14] Jucato: The question is what to do for KDE [06:14] Jucato: from my point of view it is related on depending of a big gnome package for a single icon... so it is a kubuntu specific policy from my point of view... [06:14] ahb sorry [06:14] heheh didn't read too much [06:14] busy with LoCo issues :/ [06:15] Jucato: np [06:15] what package is the icon in? [06:16] gnome-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 [06:16] well that's wrong, app icons should be packaged with the app [06:16] it is bug #108746 [06:16] Launchpad bug 108746 in efax-gtk "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108746 [06:16] the icon should be in efax-gtk and installed to hicolour [06:17] Riddell: ok [06:17] if gnome-icon-theme wants to install an icon into its namespace as well, that's fine too [06:18] I wish KDE4 were stable enough to "switch" over to. [06:18] Riddell: so I include the icon and install it in hicolour, even if it is only sized 24x24 ? [06:19] Riddell: thanks for the answer.you've already answer my previous question :-) [06:20] yes [06:20] manchicken: any day now [06:20] Riddell: Really? [06:21] Riddell: I never know when a crazy Scotsman is going to raise my hopes just to dash them... [06:21] heh [06:21] ...or do crazy things like tell me to try to catch a haggis.... [06:21] yum, haggis hunting [06:21] heh [06:22] To be honest, I think we ate enough tapas to make haggis look appetizing. [06:22] ... or pretty much anything else. [06:23] Anyway... I hope KDE4 is ready for a switch soon. [06:23] I really dig the new kate, and I'd love to be able to actually use the contributions I made to kopete. [06:24] ooh haven't seen the new kate yet :) [06:24] manchicken: kinda makes you wish kate was chosen as the default rather than kwrite? :) [06:25] Jucato: I thought kate was the default editor. [06:25] kde4? [06:25] I could be wrong, but I thought it was. [06:25] unfortunately, kwrite won === stdin loves the new kate and is using it now :) [06:25] That is unfortunate. [06:25] katepart is still there of course.. but kwrite... [06:25] stdin: Are you on kde4 already? [06:26] we *could* just ship kate as the default :P [06:26] Jucato: I wonder why. I could see them doing that on the basis of simplicity. [06:26] I'm not in a KDE4 session, but I'm using kde4's kate [06:26] that's why. I think [06:26] I really wouldn't mind kwrite, if only it had tabs... [06:26] without that, I feel even less powerful than gedit :P [06:27] Ah. [06:27] That's a good idea. [06:27] which is? :) [06:27] Jucato: I think a lot of people like the idea of not having tabs because they think it's simpler. [06:28] and they like 5 windows instead of 1 with 5 tabs? :) [06:28] I'm a moderate on the issue. Give me configurable tabs, and turn them off by default. [06:28] That way everybody's happy. [06:28] Some new folks just aren't used to tabs. [06:28] And not everything needs tabs. [06:29] of course... but I need at least 2 apps to have tabs... text editor and web browser... file manager I can manage :) [06:29] We need to have a script that will remove all of the gnome programs from KDE menus :) [06:29] That's why we should have them configurable :) [06:30] unfortunately... [06:30] someone made/is making a patch for Dolphin that introduces tabs... shot down :) [06:31] hm.. shot down sounds too violent. "denied" more like it :) [06:32] or "rejected" [06:32] :) [06:32] it works though. tested it [06:32] that would have been a deciding point for me to use and love Dolphin :) [06:33] Riddell: do I have to change the name of the icon to efax-gtk or can I let it to stock_send-fax.png ? [06:33] I wouldn't mind tabs in dolphin. [06:33] I would love them :) [06:33] I just think they should be optional and turned off by default. [06:33] KDE: "We had tabs before they were cool" :p [06:33] heh' [06:34] KDE 4: "So now we're removing them" :) [06:34] huats: whatever the .desktop says [06:34] Jucato: Is it because choice is bad and we want to be more like Gnome? [06:34] My goodness real Mexican food is good. [06:34] Riddell: ok, so I let the name stock_send-fax.png. thanks [06:35] ScottK: I think it was a miix of some reasons here and there :) [06:35] OK. [06:35] ScottK: actually, it was more like a response to a popular/vocal demand for a simpler file manager [06:35] I can see an argument for off by default, but not for not allowed to be possible. [06:35] and they think they could get away with it since Konq will still be there by default [06:39] manchicken: quick question. are we still going to have that welcome page/screen in adept updater? [06:40] For Gutsy, unfortunately. [06:40] I've completely dropped the ball on some of this stuff. [06:40] adept is that difficult? :) [06:41] Jucato: Not that difficult, but pregnant wives are. [06:41] oh yeah.. forgot about that :) [06:41] So is buying a house, moving twice, and changing jobs twice :) [06:41] heh [06:42] wow! very active life :) [06:42] I'm just happy because a big repair I need to make to my house is turning out to cost less than half of what I thought it would. [06:43] Life happens :) [06:44] aaah life.. :) === milian [n=milian@p57BB1E65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vprints [n=laur@213-35-245-108-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.48.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954096.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === apachelogger_ [n=me@M3155P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [08:08] is there a channel for good support on setting up kde4? [08:08] #kde4? [08:11] hmm might have figured it out [08:19] hello everyone [08:19] say hi to La Laguna [08:29] hello la laguna [08:30] or is it Hola La Laguna [08:30] hello Riddell === innovati [n=innovati@d38-133-139.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-153-198-171.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-056.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A71EE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-153-198-171.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] I am going to have a kdebase update for Gutsy if someone wants to upload [11:47] security fix and updated the kubuntu_33 patch to fix the documentation link for the Kubuntu documentation === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase_kdmsecfix_doclinkupdate.debdiff [12:16] that is a fix for the security vuln that came out yesterday for kdm, and I also updated the kubuntu docs link in konqi startpage === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel