=== tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad [01:07] at the moment I do not see the argument to keep PPA items different from Ubuntu's requirements. [01:08] so I'll pursue it === Rinchen doesn't know everything though. [01:08] Rinchen: well, the problem is that Ubuntu's requirements aren't very clear [01:08] we rely on the archive admins to have the final say on what goes in [01:08] For that I'd forward you to dholbach [01:09] I'm just saying that basing it on Ubuntu is a slippery slop [01:09] +e [01:09] I didn't write the original ppa tos so I need to understand why it was done the way it was. I contributed to it though so some of the language is mine...just not the licensing part. [01:10] because then the question is "what does Ubuntu let in?" "why doesn't Ubuntu let in X?" etc. then it becomes an Ubuntu problem [01:10] and not a LP problem :-) [01:10] anyway, I'll figure it out. [01:10] yeah [01:10] I can promise you it'll be consistent amongst the docs. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad [01:11] and in fact this was a good call from a beta test period [01:11] that'd be nice :-) [01:12] the Creative Commons license (CC-By-SA normally) is the only one I saw right off that wasn't in the OSI list [01:12] hmm, thinking about it, wouldn't putting "FireFox" in your PPA not be allowed either, as if you patch it then you can't call it "FireFox" anymore [01:12] so maybe it can be OSI+ [01:12] you'd probably want to do iceweasel or something [01:13] I guess I'm just expressing my confusion over licences in general :p [01:13] licenses suck [01:14] no doubt about it [01:14] yeah [01:14] you can blame me for all the stuff going forward https://help.launchpad.net/Legal [01:15] Rinchen: I assume you're going to lock the Legal/TOS pages on the wiki? [01:15] you'll note there are some minor formatting differences and word replacements in the PPA portion. [01:15] they are locked [01:15] only myself and mrevell can edit them [01:16] I'm moving the document items out of LP ...so, legal, faq, feedback, ppa tos, etc. [01:16] k, cool [01:16] I find it offensive that I have to do a code change in order to update FAQs. [01:17] anyway, it's work in progress. [01:17] Legal will redirected this release, the others I hope for next release. === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@canonical/launchpad/thumper] has joined #launchpad === pitoow [n=nao_@200.180.68.157] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@tetkyo012094.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #launchpad === poolie [n=mbp@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === dresman [n=dresden@ip68-227-249-54.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [03:42] hello all === tck [n=tck@212.2.177.22] has joined #launchpad [04:08] ajmitch, bug 141103 fwiw. :) [04:08] Launchpad bug 141103 in kubuntu-meta "KDE doesn't display text any more" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141103 [04:08] err [04:08] ajmitch, bug 141013. 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You said that in gutsy it takes a day for a .po import, however I'm afraid it's again going to be six days or more, can't approved -> imported be sped up manually somehow? I'm talking about this https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnome-app-install/+imports?field.filter_status=APPROVED&field.filter_extension=all [10:19] I cannot change the import order, I can change from Needs review to Approved though [10:19] so you will need to wait [10:19] sorry about that [10:20] alright, thanks, I just need to know that [10:20] :] === yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad === jonner [n=jonner@71-215-196-176.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #launchpad [10:46] New bug: #141177 in launchpad "PPA should send a mail upon successful build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141177 === proppy [n=proppy@free2.mekensleep.com] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-6fa89c9dd4d802c4] has joined #launchpad [11:23] hey Hobbsee, still around? === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [11:39] mrevell: yeah === stub [n=stub@tetkyo012094.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === Ibalon [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #launchpad === Ibalon is now known as zakame === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [12:11] New bug: #141199 in malone "[RFE] Malone should email, then close bugs for inactivity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141199 [12:17] /win 15 [12:17] Oops. === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:21] New bug: #141202 in malone "[RFE] Email inactive bugs a month after a release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141202 === doko [n=doko@161.116.111.2] has joined #launchpad [12:40] z,cb 15 [12:40] Bah. === _nand__ [n=ec4@138.202-128-194.unknown.qala.com.sg] has joined #launchpad === _nand__ is now known as _nand_ === proppy is now known as propeat === doko [n=doko@161.116.111.12] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === maruscia [n=maru@79.19.236.91] has joined #launchpad [01:34] hi [01:34] I've been experiencing many Timeout Errors when translating strings from gutsy's library package libadept from english to italian [01:34] in Rosetta on edge.launchpad.net === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [01:45] New bug: #141215 in malone "Viewing a bug in the wrong context should allow user to jump to one of the right contexts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141215 [01:45] maruscia: do you have OOPs numbers? [01:46] sure [01:46] last one: OOPS-628EA27 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:58] whom should i write an email to if i want my translation template file to get reviewed faster? === Fujitsu points carlos at ignas, and vice versa. [01:59] maruscia: ok, let me check... [02:00] take your time :) [02:00] ignas: danilos is doing those reviews today [02:00] carlos: i see, thank you [02:00] carlos: I am not, I was doing them yesterday :) [02:01] carlos: maybe you could point me to some document that explains why all the new templates need to be reviewed? [02:01] danilos: you missed mine then ;) [02:01] oh, right! [02:01] today is Thursday... [02:01] ignas: basically, they need to be reviewed because we have not project registration approvals, and people make many mistakes [02:02] ignas: so tomorrow is my turn to do it [02:02] s/not/no/ [02:02] danilos: what kinds of mistakes? [02:02] oh, you mean anyone can upload a pot even if he is not the owner of the project? [02:03] ignas: for instance, we have gotten like 20-30 different wordpress registrations where people only wanted to use launchpad to translate wordpress to a single language, with existing wordpress project there already [02:03] hmm, but if i am uploading a pot file to a project that is in there for quite a lot of time ... [02:03] ignas: no, as an owner of a project, you can also upload multiple templates with the wrong "path" (eg. once you upload 'template.pot', the other time 'messages.pot': how can we tell if these are the same?) [02:04] ignas: hum, then it should be auto-approved after a few hours if it was already being translated [02:04] and there is no way to delete the wrong pot? [02:04] danilos: we are going from monolith codebase to one composed of plugins, so all the plugins are getting their own pot files [02:05] ignas: you can hide a potemplate, or delete a pot in the import queue, yes [02:05] so pot files don't seem so central to our project as they come and go ... [02:05] and even if i will upload the wrong pot - if i can delete it later, why does it need approval? [02:05] ignas: well, that's something we've discussed earlier, but the problem is that we don't have project approval, so we've delayed the approval to template imports [02:06] i see [02:06] ignas: we have considered marking projects as 'approved' once we approve a single template, but we have not yet done that [02:06] oh [02:06] that would be nice === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [02:08] sorry, my wireless driver died === carlos_ is now known as carlos === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [02:13] carlos: one more question - what is the ration of wrong vs right templates? [02:14] i mean wouldn't it be easier to delete the wrong templates every 2-3 days instead of approving all the right ones every 2-3 days [02:14] ignas: I didn't see the template you are interested on [02:14] lyceum.pot Schooltool Series: development [02:14] ignas: that's what we plan to do, although for that, we need to add a way to delete things completely from the system [02:15] oh [02:15] ok === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-163-194-205.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:28] ignas: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/schooltool/development/+pots/lyceum === carlos -> lunch [02:28] ignas: it will be imported soon [02:28] thanks === propeat is now known as proppy === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@87-194-166-60.bethere.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === gmb is now known as gmb-afk === stdin_ [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@vc7-1-240a.dsl.netrack.net] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@unaffiliated/radhios] has joined #launchpad === gmb-afk is now known as gmb === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.16.133.72] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-220-104.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === adeuring [n=abel@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-91-59.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad [03:58] matsubara: hi === jsk [n=jonathan@client-82-12-246-195.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad [03:58] SteveA: hello [03:59] good morning SteveA! [03:59] morning matsubara [03:59] matsubara: I think the TaggingLaunchpadBugs page is out of date. [03:59] matsubara: iirc, structural-navigation was approved [03:59] matsubara: would you take a look please? [03:59] Hobbsee: good morning! [04:00] Hobbsee: hello! [04:00] I've just noticed that your nick sounds very australian === statik_ [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #launchpad [04:00] morning! [04:00] SteveA: who's sorry? [04:00] hiya kiko! [04:00] me [04:00] Hobbsee: "hobbsee", like "poolie", another australian launchpad person [04:00] me [04:00] Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be co-ordinating about Launchpad development. [04:00] SteveA: sure, I usually leave the proposer to update it. I'll read the last meeting notes and update accordingly [04:00] who is here today? [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] thanks matsubara [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] SteveA: interesting. it's completely separate [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me! [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] mwhudson is on leave [04:01] adeuring will be here shortly [04:01] thanks ddaa === EdwinGrubbs-_ is now known as EdwinGrubbs [04:01] me [04:01] * I'm not available [04:01] * I won't be here. [04:01] me === anandology [n=anand@59.96.206.217] has joined #launchpad [04:01] stub: I guess you're here then :-) [04:01] me [04:01] SteveA: doh! [04:01] me [04:01] SteveA: That was last week [04:02] stub: dont admit that, and hide from this week's meeting. [04:02] me === Rinchen1 [n=joey@vc7-1-240a.dsl.netrack.net] has joined #launchpad [04:03] on with the show! === Rinchen1 is now known as Rinchen [04:03] == Agenda == [04:03] * Roll call [04:03] * Agenda [04:03] * Next meeting [04:03] * Actions from last meeting === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [04:03] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:03] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [04:03] * Bug tags [04:03] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:03] me [04:03] * DBA report (stub) [04:03] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [04:03] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:03] me [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Poll: who has read the "critical situations" policy - SteveA [04:03] (other items) [04:03] ---- [04:03] * Blockers [04:03] [04:03] note the poll that will occur in about 25 minutes :-) now's your chance to sneak off and read the policy if you haven't done so [04:04] next meeting: same time next week. I won't be here, though. [04:04] various people will be unable to attend next week's meeting also [04:04] thumper will be on leave next week, but he does not attend the meeting anyway === Rinchen and mthaddon are on leave [04:05] thanks [04:05] Given it is 'week 0', shall we skip? [04:06] kiko: what do you think? [04:06] I will be here; I don't see why we should skip. what is happening next week? === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-163-194-205.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad [04:06] A meeting aparently [04:07] I'll be at a canonical quarterly review meeting [04:07] ok, same time next week [04:07] maybe shorter, if there's less to arrange [04:07] kiko: would you chair the meeting next week? [04:07] yeah, mpt and I should be able to manage. [04:08] great [04:08] * Actions from last meeting [04:08] * matsubara to get feedback from team leads about any security concerns in giving them access to the shared staging mailbox (unfinished from last week) [04:08] I'm here, sorry for lateness [04:08] we did that [04:08] last week I think [04:08] so, I think the MeetingAgenda page is a bit out of date [04:08] SteveA: that's old. [04:08] probably because mpt is on vacation [04:08] he normally deals with it === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad [04:09] I'm late too :( [04:09] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:10] SteveA: I'm investigating a couple of OOPS yet. Nothing alarming to report today. [04:11] That's good news. :-) [04:11] matsubara: are we getting oopses from edge? [04:11] that was an issue from last week [04:11] SteveA: yes. [04:12] they're synced and oops reports are flowing daily to the list [04:12] great [04:12] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [04:12] Hi, 1 for today [04:12] Bug #135730 was merged today and will be delivered in 1.1.9. [04:12] Launchpad bug 135730 in launchpad "Special background for private bug reports etc should be inside tabs" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135730 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [04:12] Thanks to matsubara for seeing that one through [04:12] that was critical? [04:12] how is that a critical bug? [04:13] I guess it must have been made such [04:13] before our new policy [04:13] clearly marked by whoever didnt read the new policy [04:13] it was influenced from a senior member in our company is what I was told [04:13] still doesn't make it critical [04:13] just high [04:13] indeed. It was also set prior to the new policy [04:13] right [04:13] that I can understand [04:14] Rinchen: any other critical bugs that should be reviewed to see if they're really critical? [04:14] according to the new policy? [04:14] There are no open Critical Bugs at this time. [04:14] great! [04:14] thanks Rinchen and matsubara [04:14] Thanks. [04:14] * Bug tags [04:14] thanks [04:15] we have two bug tags that are in the proposed list [04:15] 'edge', still with no examples [04:15] 'api' [04:15] we can drop edge and API was approved [04:15] SteveA: Sorry, I thought edge was rejected. [04:15] which I believe was approved last week [04:15] sorry, I'm updating the wiki page === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad [04:15] I think it's unclear who is responsible for updating bug tag proposals [04:15] is it the proposer, or is it me, or is it matsubara? [04:16] the proposer. [04:16] the proposer. [04:16] ah, updating post-meeting? [04:16] In which case, sorry for not removing it. [04:16] ok, let's get that written into the heading "proposing new tags" on that very page [04:16] matsubara: would you do that please? [04:16] matsubara, could you please add that since you are there? [04:16] seeing as you are editing [04:16] SteveA: sure === Rinchen laughs. [04:16] thanks matsubara ! [04:16] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:16] App Server Reconfig complete - all production systems now going through the same web front-end, using the same physical application servers and using Apache's load balancer (3 for edge and beta, 6 for lpnet) [04:16] Working on setting up new PQM box and codehosting/codebrowse/importd staging box(es) [04:16] That's it from me === ..[topic/#launchpad:Rinchen] : https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 27 Sep 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad |Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 [04:17] mthaddon: some questions came up in my weekly bzr-launchpad conf call [04:17] about wanting to monitor load and processor use and IO use on servers [04:17] ok [04:17] do we collect that information already? if so, is it graphed somewhere that we can see? [04:18] I believe IS does all of that, but not sure if it's publicly available [04:18] don't want it publicly available [04:18] that could help miscreants who want to work out how to DOS servers [04:18] I do want it available to launchpad developers [04:18] sorry, I mean outside of IS, not publicly [04:19] mthaddon: would you find out please, and mail the answer to the launchpad devel list? [04:19] SteveA, will do [04:19] thanks [04:19] * DBA report (stub) [04:19] There was aparently a DB outage yesterday around 2200UTC. I suspect the usual crash. I'll be testing my chief suspects tomorrow or next week if the Rosetta guys don't mind me possibly crashing the dbs on carbon. [04:19] I need to get a move on with read only launchpad and database replication. I expect to start coding the read only launchpad stuff next week whilst testing replication stuff on asuka and carbon. Probably pgpool-II, even though 'most people don't need synchronous replication' is the common wisdom. [04:19] Just did a db patch review for Tom B. I assume it has been cleared for landing given it is aparently release critical? [04:19] I've got to review the PG setup on the new PQM box for Tom H still. [04:19] Nothing else. [04:20] stub: will we get carbon back? [04:20] stub: sounds great. I'd like to have a conf call with you and jamesh sometime to talk through the replication strategy. [04:20] stub, yeah, it was cleared for landing. [04:20] okay [04:20] carlos: Yes. If it crashes, it recovers itself immediately. Just kills all the current connections. [04:20] or even better, when will 1.1.9 be released? once that's done, we don't depend so much on carbon [04:21] oh, so we will still have the db available [04:21] but maybe a bit unstable? [04:21] that's fine [04:21] mthaddon: would you be able to be on this call too? [04:21] stub: we want to have carbon for testing near the end of the 1.1.10 cycle [04:22] SteveA, which call is that? [04:22] stub: other than that, we can live without it being stable [04:22] SteveA: I'm in a crappy timezone for both you *and* tom until next week. === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [04:22] SteveA, sorry, saw the comment - yes [04:22] stub, jamesh, mthaddon: I propose a meeting early october about this [04:22] like, 1st week of october [04:22] sounds good to me [04:22] SteveA: But we have already discussed this before, haven't we? [04:23] blame my faulty recollection of the details... [04:23] stevea, mind if i join too? [04:23] unless there's some minispecs or other docs I can look up that describes the plan [04:23] statik_: sure [04:23] statik_: would you organise the meeting? you're good with timezones :-) I propose monday oct 1 [04:24] SteveA: We determined what 'read only launchpad' meant (and possibly specced), and deferred the replication decisions until I can test different things. [04:24] cool. so let's catch up on oct 1 [04:24] you'll have had a chance to do some experimentation by then too [04:24] will do [04:25] stub: also, I was talking with elmo about new DB hardware [04:25] and newer hardware in general [04:25] or just how best to use existing hardware [04:26] thanks stub ! [04:26] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [04:26] Does anyone (besides matusbara and mpt) have any RT requests that need attention? If you are blocked on any, please speak now. mthaddon and elmo, matsubara is blocked on two RTs which are assigned to you. I'll post them in at the end of the meeting. [04:26] Rinchen, thx [04:26] going once [04:26] Rinchen: tim needs to arrange access to a box with a bzr 0.9 on it [04:27] he submitted an rt request about that, but there's a problem [04:27] we don't have a backport of bzr 0.9 to dapper just yet [04:27] (it's trickier than it sounds) [04:27] Does it have to be the 0.9 package, or can he just install it in his PYTHONPATH [04:27] ? [04:27] although... perhaps tim could install it in his home dir [04:27] stub: right [04:27] and we want to stop staging temporarily on asuka [04:27] SteveA, indeed. I saw the RT submitted but haven't looked up the number. Tim also requested it by tomorrow which doesn't give IS any lead time. [04:28] and have tim test various operations, while looking at the IO load [04:28] Stop staging, or stop staging db updates? [04:28] both [04:28] Rinchen: given the insight from stub, let's get tim asuka access [04:28] and belay getting bzr packaged [04:29] ('miscreant'... 'belay'... I guess I'm too late for talk like a pirate day) [04:29] arrg, I gotcha back Captain! [04:29] Back to you SteveA [04:30] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:30] MOTU members have contacted both matsubara and me to suggest that the fix to bug 134220 doesn't meet their needs. [04:30] Launchpad bug 134220 in malone "Bug page has no information about current package version" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134220 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [04:30] The bug concerns the removal of the package information panel from the [04:30] left-hand of the page. [04:30] The bug fix presents the package version [04:30] information for each context when that context is expanded. [04:30] mrevell, I'll be happy to reconsider in a month's time. [04:30] Hobbsee reports that the MOTU would be particularly keen to see the [04:30] return of the panel as it was previously, as it was an easy way to see version, matainer and uploader information. [04:30] for now, let's leave it at this. [04:30] kiko: Thanks. [04:30] thanks mrevell [04:31] * Poll: who has read the "critical situations" policy - SteveA [04:31] me [04:31] I have [04:31] me [04:31] please say either "I read it. It was very interesting. Thrilling even." or "I didn't read it yet" [04:31] me [04:31] me [04:31] me [04:31] me [04:31] I read it yadda yadda yadda [04:31] I read it. [04:31] "I read it. It was very interesting. Thrilling ev [04:31] I read it [04:31] thrilling even [04:31] or "me" "not me" if you prefer" [04:31] me [04:31] I read it. [04:31] I read it [04:31] me [04:31] me [04:31] me [04:31] I read it. [04:31] I read it [04:31] I read it. It was very interesting. Thrilling even. [04:31] i read it [04:31] I read it [04:31] I read it [04:31] I read it [04:31] me [04:31] I read it [04:32] me [04:32] I read it [04:32] I read it [04:32] great, looks like everyone read it [04:32] thanks [04:32] * Blockers [04:33] SC: not blocked [04:33] Release Team: BLOCKED: 1) Stevea to please reply to bug 88265, 2) mthaddon: RT #28907 (staging outgoing bugmail setup), 3) elmo: RT #28415 (staging incoming email setup) [04:33] Bug 88265 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/88265 is private [04:33] Bugs: not blocked [04:33] Foundations: not blocked [04:33] Translations: not blocked [04:33] Soyuz Team: not blocked [04:33] flacoste: welcome back! you're on the ball today. [04:33] collaborative commerce: not blocked [04:34] cprov: are PPA builds in status "Dependency Wait" automatically requeued? [04:34] Code: not blocked [04:34] HWDB: not blocked, apart from adeuring's reduced typing ability [04:34] ? [04:34]