[01:21] <hjmills> SpudDogg, great - that should be fine then, it will boot from feistys grub but give you a choice of your 3 diff operating systems (and memtest) booting gutsy by default
[01:22] <hjmills> SpudDogg, be aware however that it will not update itself if you update the kernel in gutsy - you will need to manually edit that file and change the numbers
[01:22] <SpudDogg> hjmills, ok, im going to reboot now.  if something doesn't work, will you be around long enough for me to log into this channel from my laptop?
[01:22] <hjmills> SpudDogg, I will stay till half 12 (its 12.22 here)
[01:23] <hjmills> SpudDogg, then I am off to bed
[01:23] <SpudDogg> hjmills, ok, brb.  either way, thanks so much for the help
[01:23] <hjmills> SpudDogg, sure
[01:25] <SpudDogg> ok, i got the error 17 again
[01:25] <SpudDogg> hjmills, i got the error 17 again...
[01:25] <larson9999> is the upgrade today going to fix nvidia that was broken with the upgrade yesterday or the day before?
[01:25] <hjmills> SpudDogg, ok, does it give you the menu?
[01:25] <SpudDogg> hjmills, nope.  just halts with the error
[01:26] <hjmills> SpudDogg, or is that before the menu, ok then, how did you get access before?
[01:26] <SpudDogg> hjmills, via the liveCD
[01:27] <hjmills> SpudDogg, ok, do that again and redo the grub install making sure to install feistys grub to the mbr (so use /dev/hda not /dev/hda5) using grub-install
[01:27] <hjmills> SpudDogg, good luck, I hope it works, I will be here "tomorrow" (its today really I guess)
[01:28] <hjmills> SpudDogg, In about 12 hours probably
[01:28] <SpudDogg> hjmills, well, i'll never remember all those commands, and i cannot ask you for any more.  don't worry though.  i'll just set up the mbr on my SATA drive and not boot feisty or XP.  thanks for the help
[01:28] <SpudDogg> hjmills, thanks again for the help...you are truly a valuable member of the ubuntu community
[01:29] <hjmills> SpudDogg, scroll back up the irc convo or check your logs for the commands?
[01:29] <SpudDogg> hjmills, lol, cant.  i was on my desktop running from the livecd, now im on my laptop...rebooted desktop :(
[01:29] <hjmills> SpudDogg, if you drop me an email (mail [ at]  hjmills [d0t]  co [do7]  uk) I will try and send a guide for it tomorrow
[01:30] <SpudDogg> hjmills, nah, dont worry man.  thanks for all you've done
[01:30] <hjmills> SpudDogg, good luck, if you get gutsy booting getting it to boot XP and feisty is trivial - you just add them into the menu.lst file
[01:31] <SpudDogg> hjmills, cool.  thanks.  have a good night
[01:31] <hjmills> SpudDogg, copy the entries from that pastbin i sent you (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37957/)
[01:31] <hjmills> night all
[01:43] <larson9999> well lets see if nvidia is working again
[01:57] <VousDeux> hello: I seem to have the problem as described at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=583497
[01:58] <VousDeux> is there an Ubuntu version of the suggested fix?
[01:58] <mweichert> how is gutsy comin along? I'm just itching to try it and replace my feisty install
[01:59] <mweichert> but don't want to unless I know that the transition to the official release will be smooth
[01:59] <Jacob> mweichert: well... there is a beta coming soon... :D
[01:59] <VousDeux> the general recommendation is not to install Gutsy on a production machine
[02:00] <tanath> after updating today, i've lost my 1600x1200 resolution. :-(
[02:01] <VousDeux> does anyone know what Ubuntu file would be equal to /etc/rc.d/modules?
[02:03] <GlasstuX>  someone here with gutsy installed?
[02:03] <GlasstuX>  i need the content of /etc/fonts
[02:03] <GlasstuX>  i have replaced my original font configs with bad ones
[02:04] <tanath> i have: conf.avail/  conf.d/  fonts.conf  fonts.dtd
[02:05] <GlasstuX> tanath: all content of /etc/fonts?
[02:05] <VousDeux> this is all that is in my /etc/fonts: conf.avail
[02:05] <VousDeux> conf.d
[02:05] <VousDeux> fonts.conf
[02:05] <VousDeux> fonts.dtd
[02:05] <GlasstuX> could you upload it?
[02:05] <GlasstuX> on a oneklickhoster or so
[02:05] <GlasstuX> or send per irc
[02:05] <GlasstuX> make a rar or so?
[02:06] <GlasstuX> would be really cool
[02:06] <tanath> here is contents of /etc/fonts/fonts.conf: http://pastebin.ca/704010
[02:08] <tanath> here is contents of /etc/fonts/fonts.dtd: http://pastebin.ca/704012
[02:09] <CyD_> hello, do you know if vmware-server is available precompiled for gutsy ?
[02:09] <VousDeux> oh, I didn't ask the right question. Can anyone tell me what file in Ubuntu would be the same as /etc/rc.d/rc.modules on Slackware?
[02:11] <tanath> VousDeux, /etc/modules ?
[02:11] <VousDeux> that one doesn't seem to match
[02:12] <GlasstuX> tanath: ill try you default config...
[02:13] <GlasstuX> tanath:thank you!
[02:13] <tanath> np
[02:15] <SpudDogg> anyone else have sound issues with gutsy?  my AC'97 is not working at all
[02:21] <ruckc> in gutsy the new power management does screen brightness, the only problem i have with it is that when i dim my screen manually (because either lights are off or i just simplily want to change it, like 10 seconds or so later the brightness returns to its setting in power management, is there something i can do to stop this?
[02:22] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason the splash screen and login/logout sounds have disappeared in gutsy?
[02:22] <tanath> isn't there supposed to be a GUI for configuring X in gutsy?
[02:23] <ConstyXIV> tanath: sys->admin->screens
[02:23] <tanath> ConstyXIV, i don't have that
[02:23] <tanath> ConstyXIV, not in the menu editor either
[02:24] <ConstyXIV> tanath: it should be there, otherwise your install is fscked up in the bad way
[02:25] <ConstyXIV> tanath: make sure the ubuntu-desktop package is installed, for one
[02:26] <tanath> ConstyXIV, i use ubuntu-minimal. i don't want half the stuff in ubuntu-desktop. what's the package name?
[02:26] <ConstyXIV> tanath: hold please...
[02:29] <ConstyXIV> tanath: it's displayconfig-gtk
[02:29] <tanath> thx
[02:33] <tanath> ConstyXIV, i can choose 1600x1200 in the screens config, but not in Sys>Prefs>Screen resolution
[02:34] <tanath> wait, now i can't anymore
[02:35] <tanath> it won't stick. i can choose my res after i choose my monitor model, but i hit OK, and it doesn't stick
[02:36] <tanath> i choose the exact model. it's listed, and says right on my monitor, but it won't accept it
[02:37] <tanath> hunh, it seems to have the horizontal & vertical refresh rates switched
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> try it as root?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> (IDK if thats default)
[02:37] <tanath> it asks for the pass when you run it
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu user here......
[02:38] <tanath> how do i turn off that stupid blue outline when resizing windows?
[02:38] <tanath> i did it before... :-/
[02:42] <ConstyXIV> is there any way to get different wallpapers for each desktop on my cube?
[02:43] <ConstyXIV> tanath: go to ccsm, resize window, change resize mode to stretch
[02:44] <ruckc> is there a way in gutsy to disable the power management auto adjust brightness?
[02:44] <kiba> hello
[02:45] <ruckc> also, power management's battery mode setting for brightness is not being abided by
[02:45] <kiba> problem with browser's speed
[02:45] <kiba> don't think the tweak with firefox is causing the problem
[03:04] <Ahadiel> brb dinner
[03:06] <linuxemacs> :p
[03:36] <spasticteapot> I downloaded Sun Java 6 and Sun Java 6 JRE from the repository.
[03:37] <spasticteapot> However, Frostwire will not work. It says I need Java JRE 1.5 or better.
[03:37] <don_pucci> just did update on gutsy and lost scroll functionality on my touchpad...
[03:37] <don_pucci> ibm thinkpad t42
[03:38] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[03:39] <don_pucci> what
[03:40] <ConstyXIV> spasticteapot: down java 1.5, some things are picky
[03:40] <ConstyXIV> don_pucci: sys->prefs->mouse->touchpad
[03:41] <VousDeux> well, I submitted yet another bug report about this touch pad...it looks like it is just not being detected by the OS, so the driver is being unloaded.
[03:41] <spasticteapot> Consty: Okay.
[03:41] <VousDeux> which would explain why the shared memory would be inaccessible since it doesn't exist
[03:43] <spasticteapot> Well, I should start sending in bugs.
[03:43] <VousDeux> what seems odd to me is that the device does function in a very limited capacity...as in I can move the cursor around and click with pad and the buttons, but I just can't configure it
[03:43] <spasticteapot> I think Ubuntu should start releasing major upgrades yearly.
[03:43] <spasticteapot> Six months is insane!
[03:43] <VousDeux> I just learned today that if you are going to submit a bug, you should have a look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[03:45] <VousDeux> the way I see it, major releases are important for support of new hardware and features. If what you have is working well, it's not important to upgrade just because it was released.
[03:45] <don_pucci> hey consty...why was it disabled?
[03:46] <don_pucci> spastic...i agree
[03:46] <don_pucci> seems that there are issues with simple tnings...for example...multiple users
[03:47] <don_pucci> does not work well in ubu
[03:47] <spasticteapot> Everyone's desperately trying to get the new stuff done, which means that some of the old stuff never gets fixed.
[03:47] <don_pucci> i had to upgrade to gutsy so i could use my laptop like that
[03:48] <don_pucci> im thinking of another distro until octover release
[03:49] <RAOF> don_pucci: what issues in particular?  I *know* I've broken multiple-users + Xgl, but anything else?
[03:50] <don_pucci> well..it would freeze on logout and sometimes touchpad freezes too
[03:50] <VousDeux> I'm just trying to inject my needs into the bug reports so that maybe my hardware will be well supported by the release date
[03:50] <DanaG> Ooh, the Mouse settings has a touchpad tab.
[03:51] <DanaG> Boooh, it
[03:51] <DanaG> ot
[03:51] <DanaG> it's not very configurable.
[03:51] <DanaG> I'll stick with gsynaptics.
[03:52] <don_pucci> i quite like mandriva 2007 spring
[03:52] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2007
[03:52] <DanaG> Heh.
[03:54] <Toma-> lol
[03:55] <don_pucci> lol
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> !Debian
[03:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[03:58] <spasticteapot> I have a weird problem. Frostwire works...but I can't type anything in the data fields.
[03:59] <Hydrarrghgen>  then it doesn't work does it? :)
[04:00] <spasticteapot> Well, I can download things.
[04:00] <Hydrarrghgen> you must have downloaded the version that is moralegally correct
[04:00] <spasticteapot> I click the "what's new" button.
[04:00] <spasticteapot> Hydrarrghgen: Funny.
[04:01] <DanaG> Oh, and wtf?  My hard drive is acting as if laptop-mode were on.
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: thats power management for you :)
[04:02] <DanaG> It's annoying on a 5400rpm drive.
[04:02] <DanaG> Especially when on AC.
[04:02] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not noticed it on A.C.
[04:02] <spasticteapot> Funny...it works now.
[04:02] <DanaG> Oh, and something recently broke brightness control, until I added 'options video no_automatic_changes=0' to /etc/modprobe.d/options
[04:02] <DanaG> I just installed 3 weeks' worth of updates... time to reboot.
[04:03] <DanaG> At least 100.14.19 fixes that lockup on compiz exit.
[04:04] <spasticteapot> Okay, that's REALLY weird.
[04:04] <spasticteapot> Now it won't work again.
[04:06] <VousDeux> spasticteapot, maybe you have a sticky button on your keyboard...like ctrl or alt
[04:06] <winbond> anyway to get gnash working with firefox?
[04:18] <tanath> gparted says my sda1 has 11.1GB free, but df says i only have 3.8GB free
[04:18] <_dan_> hello are there any known issues with upgrading atm?
[04:19] <_dan_> "failsafe" and nvidia-glx-new completely messed yorg.conf
[04:19] <maccam94> the daily built cd image is 718mb. does it actually burn that much data? my cds are 700mb...
[04:19] <tanath> you can overburn
[04:20] <maccam94> how much can that be done?
[04:20] <tanath> not sure. not too much
[04:21] <tanath> hm, strangely, wikipedia doesn't say
[04:22] <tanath> oh, up to 10% of the total disc capacity
[04:22] <maccam94> oh
[04:23] <maccam94> well, i'll hope the cd burner can handle it then...
[04:23] <tanath> you on ubuntu now?
[04:23] <tanath> k3b certainly will. brasero should. nautilus should too, but i'm not sure
[04:24] <maccam94> yeah
[04:24] <maccam94> i think i've got brasero on here
[04:24] <tanath> k3b is the best
[04:24] <SpudDogg> i have a question.  when gutsy is released, will i need to do a full reinstall, or will the upgrades take care of all the changes?
[04:24] <maccam94> yeah, but i don't feel like installing kde deps, and having all those services running
[04:25] <maccam94> wow, wtf just happened to everyone?
[04:25] <maccam94> SpudDogg: upgrades should do it
[04:25] <tanath> if you're up to date, you'll be running the latest release of gutsy
[04:25] <maccam94> i did feisty that way
[04:25] <tanath> maccam94, i think it's just one or two
[04:25] <maccam94> netsplit?
[04:25] <SpudDogg> maccam94, will i need to run dist-upgrade?  i suppose not?
[04:26] <maccam94> running dist-upgrade isn't a big deal, i do it daily right now
[04:26] <tanath> do that
[04:26] <maccam94> idk if it actually makes a difference personally
[04:26] <tanath> it'll make sure you're up-to-date
[04:26] <maccam94> it's only if you change /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:26] <maccam94> then it'll run an upgrade to the new release
[04:26] <SpudDogg> so, you recommend to run update, upgrade and dist-upgrade daily?
[04:26] <tanath> shouldn't be a problem if you've been upgrading all along though
[04:26] <MikeB> anyones compiz stopped working after the latest updates
[04:27] <tanath> no need to do upgrade if you're gonna do dist-upgrade right after
[04:27] <SpudDogg> MikeB, let you know in a few minutes.  im sure it will after i install the ati 8.41 driver though
[04:27] <maccam94> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:27] <tanath> i temporarily lost my 1600x1200 resolution on upgrading today..
[04:28] <tanath> restarting a couple times seems to have fixed it though
[04:28] <maccam94> meh, i've got gnome-baker
[04:28] <maccam94> i'll see how it goes
[04:28] <tanath> MikeB, my compiz didn't run properly the first time, but i reran it and it's fine now
[04:28] <tanath> gnome-baker is decent
[04:28] <nephish> hey all, how do i force remove a troublesome package ?
[04:29] <tanath> none of them compare to k3b though
[04:29] <MikeB> tanath, no dice here
[04:29] <tanath> broken?
[04:29] <maccam94> tanath: heh, i hate kde, except for k3b and amarok
[04:29] <maccam94> on gentoo i've got amarok compiled without kde, it's nice and fast
[04:29] <tanath> maccam94, yeh, i prefer gnome, but use those
[04:29] <maccam94> haven't looked at k3b
[04:29] <tanath> and a one or two other apps
[04:29] <tanath> k3b is the best
[04:29] <tanath> and amarok
[04:30] <tanath> MikeB, run it from a terminal to see the prob?
[04:30] <tanath> MikeB, 'comiz --replace &'
[04:30] <tanath> MikeB, 'compiz --replace &'
[04:31] <maccam94> is there an icon, like fusion-icon?
[04:31] <tanath> fusion-icon is it, though i don't think it's in the repos yet
[04:31] <pwnguin> tell me the new compiz fixes the maximize window wobble
[04:31] <MikeB> Comparing resolution (1680x1050) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[04:31] <tanath> maccam94, mine is ~3yrs old, and runs it just fine
[04:32] <tanath> pwnguin, fixes? if you don't like it, turn it off
[04:32] <maccam94> tanath: the computer running it right now is a zombie junk laptop. it's got a mobility radeon 7000 graphics chip, p4 1.8ghz ;-)
[04:32] <pwnguin> tanath: its not a dont like
[04:32] <pwnguin> its a "who could possibly like
[04:32] <pwnguin> the whole window wobbles infintitely
[04:32] <maccam94> it can't do fglrx, and it can't really do 3D with the OSS driver
[04:32] <maccam94> lol
[04:32] <tanath> oh, that
[04:33] <tanath> pwnguin, yeh, i saw that. i use the put plugin to put it in the top left corner, and then it stops
[04:33] <kalpik> pwnguin, yeah.. i get that too.. but only on the terminal window
[04:33] <RAOF> MikeB: Woah!  What card/driver is that?
[04:33] <tanath> same..
[04:33] <tanath> yeh, the terminal won't maximze w/compiz anymore now either
[04:33] <MikeB> RAOF, nvidia 7300 with the latest drivers
[04:34] <kalpik> tanath, how do you do that? could you please guide me?
[04:34] <tanath> not completely anyway. though it does with gtk-window-decorator
[04:34] <RAOF> MikeB: You mean "nvidia-glx-new", I trust :)
[04:34] <tanath> kalpik, the put thing?
[04:34] <kalpik> yeah
[04:34] <MikeB> RAOF, yes
[04:34] <tanath> kalpik, run ccsm, enable the put plugin, then WIN+7(on num-pad)
[04:34] <kalpik> tanath, it work with the terminal window na?
[04:34] <RAOF> MikeB: File a bug.  That test is badly wrong.
[04:34] <tanath> kalpik, put works on any window. whatever window has focus
[04:34] <RAOF> MikeB: Your card/driver combination can do 4096x4096 textures.
[04:35] <tanath> 7 is top-left, 9 is top-right, etc
[04:35] <kalpik> tanath, not working here :(
[04:35] <tanath> kalpik, you enabled the put plugin?
[04:35] <kalpik> yes.
[04:35] <MikeB> RAOF, thanks
[04:35] <tanath> kalpik, you gotta hold the winkey, and press 7 on the numpad
[04:36] <tanath> kalpik, the numbers over the letters won't work
[04:36] <kalpik> ah! the numpad! lemme try again :P
[04:36] <tanath> :P
[04:36] <pwnguin> which button's the super button?
[04:36] <nephish> how do i change my timezone ?
[04:36] <tanath> kalpik, the numpad moves them around the screen
[04:36] <kalpik> yeah.. works now.. but still it aint maximised completely!
[04:36] <maccam94> pwnguin: windows key
[04:36] <pwnguin> i think it's the windows key but
[04:36] <tanath> kalpik, yeh, same. only with gterm though...
[04:36] <maccam94> pwnguin: make sure you're using the left one if you have two
[04:36] <tanath> kalpik, i think it's a bug
[04:36] <pwnguin> my laptop seems to be set up wierd or something
[04:37] <maccam94> it might be distinguished
[04:37] <pwnguin> ive only got 1
[04:37] <kalpik> ok.. anyone filed a bug?
[04:37] <maccam94> pwnguin: laptop?
[04:37] <tanath> pwnguin, i'm pretty sure it's the winkey
[04:37] <pwnguin> its in the upper righthand corner ;)
[04:37] <pwnguin> maccam94: yes
[04:37] <maccam94> maybe it's not mapped correctly
[04:37] <ruckc> is there a way in gutsy to disable the power management auto adjust brightness?
[04:37] <ruckc> also, power management's battery mode setting for brightness is not being abided by
[04:37] <tanath> i think the appkey on the right is called hyper
[04:37] <pwnguin> i recall it working previously
[04:37] <maccam94> hm
[04:37] <pwnguin> its possible the mapping changed
[04:38] <tanath> kalpik, the other thing you can do is turn off the snapping
[04:38] <tanath> kalpik, so it doesn't try to stick to the edges at all
[04:39] <kalpik> how do i disable snapping?
[04:39] <tanath> there's a snapping plugin... but wobbly windows also provides that. check the options in there
[04:40] <kalpik> i couldnt find the snapping plugin.. lemme see wobbly windows
[04:40] <tanath> kalpik, type 'snap' in the filter
[04:41] <kalpik> ohk.. snapping windows is already disabled
[04:41] <desrt> is anyone else getting this strange bug (metacity) where the contents of the screen don't update until you move the mouse?
[04:41] <kalpik> if i try to enable it, it disables wobbly windows
[04:41] <tanath> kalpik, yeh, mine too, and i couldn't find what it is in wobbly windows that provides it (not that i can customize anyway)
[04:41] <pwnguin> oh wwo
[04:42] <pwnguin> keyboard's broke but
[04:42] <kalpik> tanath, hmm..
[04:42] <tanath> kalpik, but it did tell me that wobbly windows provides it too
[04:42] <pwnguin> my tablet buttons have compiz bindings now
[04:42] <tanath> kalpik, i suppose you could turn it off for now
[04:42] <kalpik> tanath, naah.. it doesnt bug me that much! ill just not maximise the terminal untill it gets fixed :)
[04:42] <tanath> :P
[04:43] <tanath> you love your wobbles, eh? :P
[04:43] <kalpik> sure do!
[04:43] <kalpik> :D
[04:43] <tanath> lol
[04:43] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:43] <pwnguin> when i press the windows key, i think it's hitting "Super L"
[04:44] <tanath> pwnguin, there's keyboard shortcut configs provided by gnome, but compiz has it's own that can override them
[04:44] <pwnguin> fun
[04:44] <tanath> yeh, left super (some KBs have two)
[04:44] <pwnguin> maybe it's to disinguish between l an r
[04:44] <pwnguin> yea
[04:44] <pwnguin> this keyboard's all kinds of messed up, but it mostly works
[04:44] <tanath> lol
[04:45] <pwnguin> my favorite is how ` is right next to the spacebar
[04:45] <tanath> well, looks like the letters are typing letters... that's good enough for most :P
[04:45] <pwnguin> well, if you're gonna have compiz on by default
[04:45] <pwnguin> what fun is it when half the combos require super (and its not working)
[04:45] <tanath> well, installed anyway
[04:45] <kalpik> the new nvidia driver is great! compiz is much smoother now
[04:45] <pwnguin> anyways, i think its working right now
[04:45] <pwnguin> new nvidia driver?
[04:46] <kalpik> 100.14.19
[04:46] <pwnguin> is that in gutsy?
[04:46] <kalpik> no.. and it wont be either!
[04:46] <_dan_> too bad restriocted manager doesnt get it that the new driver is installed
[04:46] <_dan_> and wont let me enable desktop effects
[04:47] <kalpik> yeah.. that's the only gripe :(
[04:47] <_dan_> well it worked on feisty
[04:47] <kalpik> _dan_, you can just alt-f2 and type "compiz --replace"
[04:47] <_dan_> so it will work on gutsy too next month
[04:47] <_dan_> kalpik i know but thx :)
[04:47] <_dan_> just saying
[04:47] <kalpik> hehe yeah..
[04:47] <_dan_> i run fusion-icon
[04:47] <pwnguin> you guys built it from source, or from a repo?
[04:47] <_dan_> its superior to the gl desktop tray thingie IMHO
[04:47] <tanath> kalpik, i've done that so many times... i made a shortcut for it on my panel :P
[04:48] <kalpik> pwnguin, i used envy
[04:48] <pwnguin> i donno about envy
[04:48] <_dan_> i have to admit i used envy too
[04:48] <kalpik> pwnguin, http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:48] <pwnguin> i mean, it seems better than building from source (like i used to)
[04:48] <pwnguin> i meant i dont know if i trust nv
[04:48] <pwnguin> envy
[04:48] <rathel> I need some help with compiling a pidgin plugin, I downloaded and install pidgin-dev, but when I try and compile it doesn't see it.
[04:48] <_dan_> what ir eally dont like about gutsy is that failsafe when x doenst boot properly
[04:48] <kalpik> pwnguin, nvidia is a binary driver! how could you build it from source?
[04:48] <_dan_> thats really really annoying and messed my whole xorg.conf
[04:49] <pwnguin> kalpik: the same way ubuntu does
[04:49] <pwnguin> grab the source and binary and build it
[04:49] <tanath> i've heard envy breaks things
[04:49] <kalpik> pwnguin, you can only build the kernel modules.. the drivar is binaly only!
[04:49] <pwnguin> i know
[04:49] <pwnguin> ive done this by hand
[04:49] <kalpik> tanath, never broke anything for me
[04:49] <pwnguin> im aware of whats involved
[04:50] <kalpik> pwnguin, ok.
[04:50] <_dan_> tanath well use it with caution
[04:50] <pwnguin> back when 2.6 was still a glimmer in andrew morton's eye
[04:50] <kalpik> pwnguin, envy builds the kernel module too.. just automated.. it takes care of everything
[04:50] <_dan_> i woudlnt recommend it if u dont know how to revert stuff, but it never broke anything for me
[04:50] <tanath> _dan_, what does that mean? wring my hands nervously when running it? :P
[04:50] <_dan_> tanath well kinda, and know how to reverse stuff
[04:51] <_dan_> if u dont, i wouldnt reccomend using it
[04:51] <tanath> that would be using it wisely :P
[04:51] <pwnguin> kalpik: it seems to be a python gui tool and such in one. i get the point that not everyone knows what they need
[04:51] <kalpik> tanath, all you have to do is revert to "nv" if anything fails.. its not such a big deal anyway
[04:51] <pwnguin> kalpik: but it might make sense to publish a repo
[04:51] <kalpik> pwnguin, yeah
[04:52] <_dan_> aaah
[04:52] <_dan_> totem wnats to be my firefox plugin again
[04:52] <_dan_> i hate that totem stuff
[04:52] <kalpik> pwnguin, actually he DID have a repo earlier, but now he's switched to envy
[04:52] <tanath> kalpik, nv wouldn't help me.. i use ati :P
[04:52] <kalpik> tanath, ah! :P
[04:53] <tanath> totem actually works pretty well. i didn't like it at first either, but it integrates well & "just works"
[04:53] <pwnguin> i wish totem worked better
[04:53] <_dan_> doenst like streaming videos so much
[04:53] <tanath> and sometimes plays things others don't
[04:53] <_dan_> doesnt play quicktime
[04:53] <pwnguin> because the UI is the only one i really like
[04:53] <_dan_> and i dont know of any wway to make firefoy use mplayer and still have totem installed
[04:53] <_dan_> its annoying
[04:53] <_dan_> plain annoying
[04:53] <tanath> i do
[04:53] <_dan_> like windows media palyer annoyance
[04:53] <tanath> dunno how i did it though. didn't know it was a problem
[04:54] <tanath> just kinda happened
[04:54] <pwnguin> totem doesn't turn off dpms
[04:54] <pwnguin> which totally sucks
[04:54] <kalpik> _dan_, mozilla-mplayer?
[04:54] <_dan_> mplayer > totem in *any* way
[04:54] <_dan_> kalpik yes
[04:54] <tanath> not when totem easily plays an avi properly that mplayer garbles!
[04:54] <pwnguin> dan: how do i get mplayer to stream videos from smb?
[04:54] <_dan_> anyway enuff bithcing lets expore my gutsy laptop a bit more
[04:55] <_dan_> pwnguin mplay /your/smb/mount/lala.avi
[04:55] <_dan_> ?
[04:55] <pwnguin> i dont have it mounted
[04:55] <_dan_> mount it
[04:55] <pwnguin> ugg
[04:55] <_dan_> dunno if itz can handle smb://
[04:55] <pwnguin> its a laptop, the mount not always be there
[04:55] <_dan_> but u can give it a try
[04:56] <pwnguin> my big beef with totem is the subtitles
[04:56] <_dan_> try watch apple.com/trailers with totem
[04:56] <_dan_> and then try to tell firefox NOT to use totem
[04:56] <_dan_> good luck with that
[04:56] <tanath> i had it using mplayer just fine
[04:57] <tanath> oh yeah
[04:57] <Fracture> !info virtualbox
[04:57] <tanath> just remove the plugin from firefox's plugin folder and use the mplayer one
[04:57] <Fracture> !info nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in gutsy
[04:57] <rathel> I need some help with compiling a pidgin plugin, I downloaded and install pidgin-dev, but when I try and compile it doesn't see it.
[04:57] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.11+2.6.22.3-11.3 (gutsy), package size 4870 kB, installed size 14800 kB
[04:57] <tanath> add a shortcut to the mplayer plugin
[04:57] <_dan_> tanath thats what i did ultimatly   its a bit a russian way tho
[04:57] <tanath> uh.. sure
[04:58] <pwnguin> dAndy: whats the problem with totem and firefox?
[04:58] <pwnguin> err
[04:58] <dAndy> nothing
[04:58] <tanath> it works. it's how things are supposed to be done... just that there isn't a GUI for it yet :P
[04:58] <pwnguin> _dan_: totem plays qt for me..
[04:58] <_dan_> pwnguin not for me
[04:58] <_dan_> apple.com/trailers
[04:58] <_dan_> plays that for u?
[04:58] <pwnguin> yes
[04:58] <pwnguin> trade
[04:58] <kalpik> pwnguin, tanath does gutsy have virtualbox? The full thing?
[04:58] <tanath> i believe so
[04:59] <kalpik> tanath, i could only find the open source edition
[04:59] <tanath> virtualbox-ose
[04:59] <tanath> yeh
[04:59] <_dan_> uh it plays on gutsy now too
[04:59] <tanath> that's all that's in the repos
[04:59] <_dan_> not on feisty on my desktop
[04:59] <_dan_> i had another vido stream
[04:59] <kalpik> tanath, so the full thing is not there?
[04:59] <_dan_> that stayed black tho
[04:59] <_dan_> totem kinda not always plys
[04:59] <kalpik> hmm
[04:59] <pwnguin> things tend to get better
[04:59] <_dan_> aah
[04:59] <_dan_> and it plays the qt stream faulty
[04:59] <_dan_> lotsa artifacts in it aqnd weird colors
[05:00] <pwnguin> i guess you're a fan of w32codecs then
[05:00] <_dan_> dunno
[05:00] <_dan_> tell me what to do :O
[05:01] <tanath> pwnguin, as opposed to?
[05:01] <pwnguin> tanath: gstreamer?
[05:01] <_dan_> feisty virtualbox packages works in gutsy
[05:01] <_dan_> pwnguin simple remove w32codecs?
[05:01] <tanath> gstreamer doesn't play everything
[05:01] <_dan_> u
[05:01] <_dan_> havent installed w32codecs
[05:02] <_dan_> so its not that
[05:02] <pwnguin> actually, i was having some playback problems that removing w32codecs made better
[05:02] <pwnguin> which i thought was strange but hey
[05:02] <tanath> maybe that'll fix my mplayer..
[05:02] <pwnguin> cant complain
[05:02] <kalpik> _dan_, i know that.. that's what im using.. was just wondering if its in the repos
[05:03] <_dan_> well
[05:03] <_dan_> mplayer works fine here
[05:03] <_dan_> totem doesnt
[05:03] <_dan_> i mean it has nice gui and all
[05:03] <_dan_> but what good is the gi if it doenst play video files 100% properly
[05:03] <pwnguin> if you really want mplayer to work in firefox
[05:03] <tanath> WFM too, except i found that for one video it played all garbled, as if skipping around at random, while totem played it fine
[05:04] <pwnguin> have you installed the mozilla-mplayer package?
[05:04] <_dan_> sure
[05:04] <_dan_> pwnguin i can get it t work if i want
[05:04] <_dan_> not in a clean way tho
[05:05] <pwnguin> dAndy: just remove totem-mozilla?
[05:05] <pwnguin> grr
[05:06] <pwnguin> irssi shouldn't match punctuation in autocomplete
[05:07] <_dan_> well whenr emoving that i have to removing ubuntu-desktop meta package
[05:07] <_dan_> and hav a lot of package sin autoremove list
[05:07] <_dan_> which is annoying too ,)
[05:08] <_dan_> weird thing
[05:08] <_dan_> restricted manager says nvidia drivers are in use but not enabled
[05:09] <pwnguin> hmm
[05:09] <_dan_> btw
[05:09] <pwnguin> i just removed totem-mozilla and it didnt ask to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <_dan_> hmm
[05:09] <_dan_> well didnt try in gutsy yet i have to admit
[05:11] <DanaG> Odd: now gnome-settings-daemon won't start.
[05:12] <kalpik> DanaG, are you fully updated?
[05:12] <DanaG> Yup, now I am.
[05:12] <DanaG> 'BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device'
[05:12] <DanaG> (Details: serial 1292 error_code 171 request_code 149 minor_code 3)
[05:14] <_dan_> pwnguin ur right, rmeoving works in gutsy without meta package blablzbb
[05:14] <_dan_> setting brightness doenst work for me in gutsy .&
[05:15] <DanaG> That's new for me, also.
[05:15] <DanaG> It used to be handled fine by the kernel, but now it's been moved to userspace.
[05:15] <DanaG> This means that I can't change brightness when not in Xorg, and the same issue of LCD turning off between levels also applies.
[05:16] <DanaG> Workaround: put this in some /etc/modprobe.d file:    options video no_automatic_changes=0
[05:16] <DanaG> and open a root shell (sudo -i) and do this:
[05:16] <_dan_> ubuntu laods a wrong kernel moduel for my sony vaio
[05:16] <DanaG>  echo 0 > /sys/module/video/parameters/no_automatic_changes
[05:17] <DanaG> Oh, then your issue may be slightly different.
[05:17] <_dan_> have reported this for 2 versions now
[05:17] <_dan_> but well  simple patch is enuff, having to recompile is a bitch tho
[05:19] <DanaG> Oh, and my font rendering has regressed a bit.
[05:19] <DanaG> I used to like the old subpixel hinting, but now small fonts are as eyestrainy as Windows Cleartype.
[05:20] <_dan_> every new release
[05:20] <_dan_> more stuff gets autostarted
[05:20] <_dan_> kinda dont like that
[05:20] <_dan_> so much stuff running i dont need
[05:20] <DanaG> Things like bluez-utils -- I don't have bluetooth.
[05:20] <_dan_> feels kinda like windows
[05:20] <_dan_> yeah same here
[05:21] <_dan_> my session has like 6+ autostart thingies
[05:21] <_dan_> evoltion crap
[05:21] <_dan_> i dont even use evoltion thingie
[05:21] <_dan_> some gui stuff for AT deamon
[05:21] <_dan_> hell who cares
[05:21] <DanaG> And don't forget the new desk-button-that-opens-a-window--applet.
[05:21] <_dan_> apparmor gets loaded automatically    i dont want that either
[05:21] <_dan_> uh i dont have that
[05:22] <DanaG> i.e. deskbar-applet, but that's now a misnomer.
[05:22] <_dan_> ah that i got
[05:22] <_dan_> but not using it
[05:22] <DanaG> I'm still using the old version, and I intend to stay with it.
[05:22] <_dan_> wtf is tracker
[05:22] <_dan_> i dont need a tracker
[05:22] <_dan_> user folder update
[05:22] <_dan_> WTF
[05:22] <pwnguin> its a desktop search tool
[05:22] <_dan_> dont even know what it is
[05:22] <pwnguin> like locate
[05:23] <_dan_> i dont need/want that
[05:23] <pwnguin> it also searches emails and other such things stored
[05:23] <_dan_> whats up with those zillion folder in places menu
[05:23] <pwnguin> it seems a bit buggy though
[05:23] <_dan_> hell i dont need stuff like that
[05:23] <_dan_> pwnguin sounds annoying honestly
[05:23] <pwnguin> its annoying when it pegs a cpu
[05:24] <DanaG> I also refuse to use gnome-screensaver, because it lets the rss-glx screensavers run at something like a siezure-inducing 500FPS.
[05:24] <_dan_> i dont like a zillion programms started when i login
[05:24] <_dan_> my screen just blanks when i idle
[05:24] <DanaG> "ordinary users don't need any settings!"
[05:24] <_dan_> dont see the need for screensavers
[05:24] <DanaG> I use blank, too.
[05:24] <_dan_> i wondr what ubuntu will start in 2 versions
[05:25] <pwnguin> it'd be kinda neat to push energy efficiency and just nuke the screensavers
[05:25] <pwnguin> it'd fix the crazy relationship between blank and screensaver time
[05:25] <pwnguin> fun trick: open power management and set blank to 15 minutes
[05:25] <_dan_> my screen blanks after 5 mins idle or so
[05:26] <pwnguin> close it then open screensaver and set to 20 minutes
[05:26] <DanaG> Yay.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/140485
[05:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140485 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "gnome-settings-daemon not starting with 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3" [Medium,In progress] 
[05:26] <pwnguin> open power management again and notice the setting
[05:26] <_dan_> i really dont need/want app armor
[05:26] <_dan_> why does the module get loaded
[05:27] <_dan_> i dont want to spend ram for that
[05:27] <pwnguin> _dan_: because unlike average users, people who know they dont want it know how to rid themselves of it
[05:27] <_dan_> not that it takes lots still
[05:27] <_dan_> well i do know how to get rid of that stuff but
[05:27] <Zoffix> Great... installed some USB packages, rebooted and now my grub says "Error 15: File not found" for all the entries in the grub menu :\
[05:27] <_dan_> i dont want to need to get rid of it
[05:28] <pwnguin> you can always install ubuntu-minimal and add only what you want :P
[05:28] <_dan_> i want to be asked if i want to install tns of useless crap
[05:28] <_dan_> as i said earlier its getting like windows
[05:28] <pwnguin> windows is horrible
[05:28] <Zoffix> _dan_, I agree on that
[05:28] <_dan_> i used to run debian
[05:28] <pwnguin> just go to eight different sites, download drivres and software for all the shit i wanted
[05:28] <_dan_> thats what i call minimal
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> _dan_, isn't that what the alternat CD does?
[05:29] <pwnguin> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:29] <_dan_> i really dont like the road that ubuntu takes
[05:29] <Zoffix> There should be an option "Review package selection list" or something. So you could select/deselect packages.. not just plain "where to put it?" and that's all :(
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> _dan_, its to appeal to most
[05:29] <_dan_> i switched to ubuntu for not worrieng about stuff like that
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> _dan_, of the windows converts....
[05:29] <_dan_> well
[05:29] <_dan_> its plain annoying to me
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> Zoffix, true
[05:30] <_dan_> i want simple stuff    like brightness to workout of the box
[05:30] <_dan_> not app armor
[05:30] <pwnguin> heh
[05:30] <_dan_> windows converts dont know what apparmor is anyway
[05:30] <pwnguin> well thats a clear dichtomy
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> it would be simple to implement...
[05:30] <_dan_> and 99% of ubuntu users wont need it anyway
[05:30] <_dan_> coz its a desktop os
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> just a package selection from what you have on the main cd
[05:30] <Zoffix> yeah
[05:30] <pwnguin> _dan_: app armor has already highlighted how programs like skype snoop /etc/passwd
[05:30] <_dan_> well
[05:30] <pwnguin> thats totally a desktop program and totally not right
[05:30] <_dan_> ls does to
[05:31] <_dan_> its not skype snoops anything
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> i mean, sure theres a script that Ubuiquity has to run, but it can't be that large
[05:31] <_dan_> some librarys touch passwd
[05:31] <pwnguin> that said, ive no idea what apparmor is or if its even running
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> if it stores its password there then it should access the folder... no?
[05:32] <pwnguin> or at least, little idea
[05:32] <_dan_> na it was puremongering
[05:32] <_dan_> that skype thingie
[05:32] <_dan_> anyway lets pretend i am the average windowsconvert
[05:32] <_dan_> i see apparmor loaded if  ress alt+f1
[05:32] <_dan_> and then
[05:32] <_dan_> i have no idea how to conf it
[05:33] <_dan_> nuthing in preferences nothing in admin section
[05:33] <pwnguin> i really shouldn't speak to apparmor. i dont appear to be running it
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:33] <_dan_> dont get me wrong, i am not sayng apparmor is not good or anything, i simple say i dont want it loded per default on my laptop
[05:34] <_dan_> and i dont wont to hazzle to get it removed when i dont want it installed in the first place
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> so similar to fedora or suse's package selection option
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> to turn off stuff or just select minimum or server
[05:34] <_dan_> i switched from suse to debian years ago coz i was annoyed by what suse installed per default
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:35] <_dan_> and gutsy starts to annoye me too in exact that way
[05:35] <pwnguin> why run gnome at all?
[05:36] <_dan_> good point
[05:36] <_dan_> i like/liked gnome
[05:36] <_dan_> xfce didnt have some features i wanted
[05:36] <pwnguin> every other person who says "gnome is too bloated" goes and runs xfce or fluxbox
[05:36] <pwnguin> of course, they also install gentoo with MAKE="-no-gtk" or something
[05:37] <_dan_> i cant disable apparmor in services section in administration
[05:37] <_dan_> i used gentoo for like 3 months
[05:37] <_dan_> emerge emerged maximum annoyance level out of me
[05:37] <pwnguin> deleted it after it finished installing? heh
[05:37] <_dan_> na i ran it for a while and set up my lan so stuff gets compiled in lan  was fun
[05:37] <_dan_> but emerge sucked
[05:38] <_dan_> apt > * IMHO
[05:38] <pwnguin> basically, no one set of packages is going to make everyone happy
[05:38] <_dan_> gutsy spammed my home dir with 6 folders
[05:38] <_dan_> pwnguin true
[05:39] <blued> ok, so you got me curious about apparmor.  It's a kernel module not a service, which is why you can't find it
[05:39] <_dan_> i do wnat a bit more control over it tho
[05:39] <_dan_> well i know
[05:39] <stone-unix> guys, i stil have 61 software unupgraded, but i hear that 7.10 is freezed feature, so whether it will include openoffice 2.3 and gnome 2.20??
[05:39] <_dan_> searching of a eas way to disable it without removing package
[05:39] <pwnguin> stone-unix: freezes are subject to exceptions
[05:39] <pwnguin> im pretty sure both of those were planned exceptions
[05:40] <pwnguin> gnome definately
[05:40] <pwnguin> im running 2.20.0 right now
[05:40] <_dan_> i hope new nvidia driver gets included coz it fixes lotsa stuff
[05:40] <stone-unix> pwnguin: that would be great, otherwise 7.10 is not so up to date
[05:40] <pwnguin> stone-unix: the releases are timed to make gnome come out nearly concurrently
[05:41] <stone-unix> pwnguin: has 2.20 hit the official repo?
[05:41] <pwnguin> stone-unix: yes
[05:41] <_dan_> so guys, how to disable apparmor without removing the package?
[05:41] <pwnguin> stone-unix: gutsy probably started with 2.19
[05:41] <stone-unix> pwnguin: oh, maybe it hasn't been synced to our mirror in China.
[05:42] <pwnguin> wierd
[05:42] <stone-unix> my gnome version is still 2.19.92
[05:42] <pwnguin> well
[05:42] <pwnguin> .19 is unstable anyways
[05:42] <blued>  "/etc/init.d/apparmor stop" looks like it will stop it temporarily
[05:43] <stone-unix> pwnguin: ok, i will wait patiently. thx and bye
[05:43] <_dan_> well i removed package now
[05:43] <DanaG> I've updated my bug report.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[05:43] <_dan_> luckily no meta packages depends on it
[05:43] <DanaG> Gaah, how do I get back the old font rendering?
[05:44] <_dan_> DanaG there is a repo with some subpixel rendering bla
[05:44] <_dan_> i dont see any difference tho but maybe i did something wrong
[05:44] <pwnguin> pretty sure the current rendering does subpixel
[05:45] <DanaG> It seems to have changed subtly, yet somehow noticeably.
[05:45] <pwnguin> the only recent change for me is the titlebars
[05:45] <DanaG> I just updated this system -- it was reimaged from a 3-week-old backup.
[05:45] <_dan_>  How to improve sub-pixel font rendering for Feisty
[05:45] <_dan_>     * This will improve the appearance of fonts.
[05:45] <_dan_> i did that forom ubuntuguide
[05:45] <DanaG> The thing is, I liked the stock, old way.
[05:46] <DanaG> I can't stand Cleartype-style subpixel rendering, at least in Windows itself -- it's painful to read for long periods.
[05:46] <wfarr_> DanaG, set it to Best Contrast
[05:46] <wfarr_> that's the old way
[05:46] <DanaG> Even when Subpixel was set?
[05:46] <wfarr_> should, yes
[05:46] <DanaG> That strikes me as odd.
[05:47] <DanaG> AAck, I forgot -- I can't see changes because g-s-d is broken.
[05:47] <_dan_> in gnome fnont thingie its set to best shape for me, is that good or bad? :O
[05:48] <pwnguin> subpixel rendering is nice, but i guess some people hate it
[05:48] <_dan_> i dont see any differece when i change it in gnome font options
[05:48] <DanaG> I don't get why the old subpixel setting supposedly was bogus, then...
[05:49] <pwnguin> best shape looks like crap to me
[05:49] <wfarr_> DanaG, it was a fudged sub-pixel font rendering
[05:49] <sooth> Is Gutsy in beta-freeze now?
[05:49] <wfarr_> the new packages feature the David Turner LCD font rendering patches
[05:50] <DanaG> I need to find gnome-control-center (1:2.19.92-0ubuntu2)
[05:50] <wfarr_> that give us nice, real sub-pixel font rendering
[05:50] <DanaG> Fudged?
[05:50] <DanaG> I somehow liked it.
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:50] <wfarr_> DanaG, you on CRT monitor?
[05:50] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:50] <wfarr_> O_______________o
[05:50] <DanaG> LCD, 99.89 DPI.  Whether to set to 99 or 100.... good question.
[05:50] <wfarr_> 96
[05:51] <wfarr_> mine right now is 96 with Subpixel @ Medium (RGB)
[05:51] <wfarr_> gives best results for me
[05:51] <slavik> I can't change the mode on my wifi card :(
[05:51] <DanaG> Where can I find an old deb of gnome-control-center (1:2.19.92-0ubuntu2)
[05:51] <slavik> besides switching networks, does NetworkManager bring anything else to the table?
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> also incorporates vpn if you have that installed...
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> lets you setup encryption too...
[05:53] <slavik> should I get rid of it?
[05:53] <pwnguin> without full hinting, my terminal font looks too tall =/
[05:53] <slavik> my wifi card is for snooping around ;)
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> i use cli on one of my desktops that has wireless
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> instead...
[05:53] <nemik> so any idea when compiz will work again?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:53] <nemik> this is stupid
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> nemik, not working?
[05:54] <nemik> nomasteryoda: nope. last update just broke it. was perfectly fine before
[05:54] <nemik> working for you?
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure it will get better soon
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> just loaded ....
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> all nice
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> try moving your ~/.compizconfig folder to new name
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> then killall -9 compiz.real then reload compiz
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> even emerald works now for me
[05:55] <wfarr_> nomasteryoda, are you on nvidia with .19 driver?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> nope
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> intel
[05:55] <nemik> ahh i have intel too
[05:56] <nemik> what does the config file look like for you in the ~/.compizconfig
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> installed xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu3 is what was installed 09-18 for me
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:58] <nemik> and when you say start compiz, how do you mean? with `compiz.real --replace`  ?
[05:58] <DanaG> I still need an old version of gnome-control-center.
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> compiz --replace &
[05:58] <nemik> ah ok
[05:58] <DanaG> The mirrors REEEALLY should keep older versions around a bit longer.
[05:58] <nemik> Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found, wtf?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> old.. Dana look into the package lists for feisty
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> on ubuntu site
[05:59] <nemik> Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing, failed to manage screen
[05:59] <nemik> :/
[05:59] <DShepherd> does switching between terminals and X give a blackscreen for X with the ubuntu defaults for compiz ? (on nvidia)
[05:59] <DanaG> I need the old Gutsy version, though.
[05:59] <DanaG> gnome-control-center (1:2.19.92-0ubuntu2)
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> nemik, you have glx added to xorg?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> what intel card?
[06:00] <nemik> hmm should check
[06:00] <nemik> x3100
[06:00] <DanaG> That's the last one before the new touchpad tab, which isn't even useful, anyway.
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> i855gm here
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> but its intel
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> using i810 driver actually
[06:00] <ohad> hi, i am having problems with the intel 4965 card dealing with wpa wifi networks - on ubuntu gutsy -- thinkpad x61s
[06:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/140485
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> the intel version torks something with x
[06:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140485 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "gnome-settings-daemon not starting with 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3" [Medium,In progress] 
[06:01] <nemik> nomasteryoda: so Option "glx" "true" in the device section?
[06:01] <_dan_> when i enable subpixel rendering my font seem to wander around a lille
[06:01] <_dan_> and are not black
[06:01] <_dan_> but grey r red or blue
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> nemik, hang on
[06:01] <_dan_> very very weirdo
[06:01] <ohad> any ideas how to resolve the fact that encryption is not working over wifi LEAP/WPA etc..
[06:01] <defendguin> all of a sudden gutsy isn't mounting any removable devices
[06:01] <_dan_> ohad wpa 2 works for me
[06:01] <defendguin> not my usb disk or my SD card
[06:02] <ohad> _dan_, really? same machine/card?
[06:02] <DanaG> iwl3945.
[06:02] <ohad> _dan_, do you use the wrapper or which one?
[06:02] <_dan_> sure
[06:02] <defendguin> [  166.700000]  mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SD02G 1985024KiB
[06:02] <defendguin> [  166.700000]   mmcblk0: p1    <---  dmesg from when i put in my SD card
[06:02] <ohad> _dan_, what kernel are you running?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> I have this under Section "Module" Load           "glx"
[06:03] <nemik> ah ok
[06:03] <_dan_> normal gutsy
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> and dbe
[06:03] <RAOF> DShepherd: Yes, I believe so.
[06:03] <DanaG> heh, I typed 'alacarte' instead of 'quodlibet'.
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> and dxr3
[06:03] <DShepherd> RAOF, errrr... :-( not kool
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> but have the DRI section at the end off
[06:03] <RAOF> DShepherd: The new nvidia drivers *should* fix that.
[06:03] <RAOF> DShepherd: Hopefully.
[06:03] <DShepherd> RAOF, you running it?
[06:04] <_dan_> anyone knows if the new nvidia driver will make it into gutsy?
[06:04] <RAOF> DShepherd: No.  Also, I use Xgl.
[06:04] <RAOF> _dan_: It will.
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> shcweet
[06:04] <wfarr_> RAOF, we're still puzzling out mi amigo's error
[06:04] <_dan_> good the new really fix everyproblem i had on laptop
[06:04] <DanaG> It fixes the showstopper xorg-freeze-on-compiz-exit issue.
[06:04] <ohad> _dan_, with which kernel? what version and what kind of driver for your intel card?
[06:04] <wfarr_> it stems from check_texture_size()
[06:04] <DanaG> Oh, and the 100-series adds hotkey display switching, too.
[06:04] <DShepherd> RAOF, i read that some people still had the black bug on compiz fusion forums
[06:04] <RAOF> DanaG: And the new driver fixes it :)
[06:05] <DShepherd> RAOF,nvidia and XGL?
[06:05] <_dan_> ohad i have a centrino laptop and i am using 2.6.22 kernel, the one that comes with gutsy and it worked out of the ox
[06:05] <RAOF> DShepherd: Yup.
[06:05] <DShepherd> RAOF, may i ask why?
[06:05] <RAOF> DShepherd:
[06:05] <ohad> _dan_, hmm..
[06:05] <_dan_> DShepherd i have none anymore
[06:05] <DanaG> Oh, by 'fixes it', do you mean it changes resolution on HKDS?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> out of the ox.. sounds painful
[06:05] <RAOF> DShepherd: Because nvidia have too many bugs.  Also, it's faster.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:05] <DShepherd> RAOF, it is?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> ok, /me sleeps
[06:05] <DShepherd> _dan_, no black window bug thingy?
[06:05] <ohad> _dan_, which version of gutsy did you download and install?
[06:05] <RAOF> DShepherd: It is for me.
[06:06] <_dan_> DShepherd not with new nvidia no
[06:06] <DShepherd> RAOF, what nvidia card are you running?
[06:06] <_dan_> ohad none i dist-upgraded 2 hours ago
[06:06] <DShepherd> _dan_, oh.. what version of the nvidia driver?
[06:06] <RAOF> DShepherd: 512mb, 7600Go
[06:07] <_dan_> DShepherd latest 100.something.19 i think
[06:07] <wfarr_> RAOF, I think it's a driver issue
[06:07] <DShepherd> RAOF, i have the 256 vesion
[06:07] <_dan_> i have a lameass 6something go
[06:07] <DanaG> Only 128.  Well, at least the screen is also only 1440x900, so 128 is enough.
[06:07] <RAOF> wfarr_: Quite possibly.
[06:07] <_dan_> and like 30 windows open and no BWB
[06:07] <wfarr_> RAOF, the issue seems to be ubiquitous
[06:07] <wfarr_> that everyone who can't get compiz to start with nvidia on regular X
[06:07] <RAOF> wfarr_: It might also be a problem with our actual check.
[06:07] <wfarr_> is getting "GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE = 512" in glxinfo
[06:07] <defendguin> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/justin/Desktop/foo/    apparently i can mount the drive if i do this but it should be automounting
[06:08] <DanaG> I have Compiz starting fine.
[06:08] <DShepherd> RAOF, hmm.. maybe i should try XGL sometime. Is there anything you lose though? any drawbacks?
[06:08] <wfarr_> DanaG, with .19 driver?
[06:08] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:08] <wfarr_> what model?
[06:08] <DShepherd> _dan_, and no black window bug you say? running compiz now?
[06:08] <_dan_> yes
[06:08] <RAOF> DShepherd: Drawbacks are basically "Wine hates Xgl".
[06:09] <DanaG> GeForce Go 7600, 128MB.
[06:09] <_dan_> DShepherd basically, all is fine now with new driver
[06:09] <wfarr_> GeForce 6600 LE
[06:09] <DShepherd> _dan_, can you try switching to terminal and back?
[06:09] <crdlb> wfarr_, eh? that's the wrong variable
[06:09] <DanaG> Funniest video card I've seen:
[06:09] <crdlb> it's GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE that matters
[06:09] <wfarr_> crdlb, that's what the wrapper is checking for
[06:09] <DanaG> Radeon 7500LE, with 128MB of SDRAM (not DDR!)
[06:09] <crdlb> then the wrapper is wrong
[06:09] <DShepherd> RAOF, oh.. i dont use wine much though
[06:09] <_dan_> DShepherd u mean to console?
[06:09] <RAOF> DShepherd: Then you're fine :)
[06:10] <DShepherd> _dan_, console.. yeah
[06:10] <pwnguin> ok
[06:10] <Ziroday> hmm, im having a issue with booting with my linksys wireless card plugged in. it causes a kernel panic. what do i need to put in the bug report
[06:10] <pwnguin> so how do i mount sd cards?
[06:10] <_dan_> DShepherd works
[06:10] <wfarr_> crdlb, thanks for that tidbit
[06:10] <wfarr_> I'm going to follow this up some
[06:10] <DShepherd> _dan_, sweet!
[06:10] <wfarr_> it may be a flaw in the wrapper
[06:10] <crdlb> wfarr_, it certainly is
[06:10] <crdlb> for example I get 256 here
[06:10] <wfarr_> I'll post the fix on UF then
[06:11] <DShepherd> RAOF, i might give it ago. how about setup. easy right?
[06:11] <crdlb> I'll let kristian know tomorrow
[06:11] <defendguin> anyone know how to stop that file system check when ubuntu  boots?   i'll take my chances
[06:11] <RAOF> DShepherd: "sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl"
[06:11] <DShepherd> RAOF, of course..
[06:11] <DanaG> I got tired of fsck.vfat randomly truncating files to 0 bytes.
[06:11] <Ziroday> grr
[06:11] <DShepherd> RAOF, and nvidia is smart enough to just use xgl if its installed right?
[06:12] <RAOF> DShepherd: No, but I've added auto-run-on-install stuff to the package.
[06:12] <RAOF> DShepherd: Oh, be aware that if you've manually installed the nvidia driver at some point, you'll likely need to run "sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa" then "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new".
[06:13] <RAOF> crdlb can tell you why.  I'm off to lunch :)
[06:13] <DShepherd> RAOF, ok thanks. and i didnt.. stil on fawn
[06:13] <_dan_> uuh
[06:13] <_dan_> the generic kernel works now on my laptop
[06:13] <_dan_> nice one
[06:14] <DShepherd> now only if compiz would remember my windows on workspace setup when switching from metacity to compiz ... that would be useful. vice-versa would be great
[06:16] <blued> defendguin: tune2fs -i 0 -c 0
[06:17] <defendguin> nope check your syntax
[06:17] <blued> that won't stop checks on an improperly unmounted filesystem
[06:17] <blued> then "man tune2fs"
[06:17] <slavik> this is bs, not a single wifi network in use :(
[06:18] <Ziroday> what do i need to include in a bug report about a linksys wireless card causing kernel panics on boot ups?
[06:18] <blued> if it works in ubuntu, touching "/etc/fastboot" before shutdown will prevent fsck from checking drives too
[06:19] <ohad> _dan_, after pinging yahoo 507 times i lost my wifi connection -- (wpa2) -- this were my errors - http://pastebin.com/m7812fc99
[06:19] <defendguin> heh
[06:20] <defendguin> blued: i also have an issue where my removable devices are no longer getting automounted
[06:20] <ohad> i can connect to wifi on an open network without a problem. the problem occurs when i try to connect to an encrypted wifi
[06:20] <defendguin> i put in my sd card and i can mount it manually but nothing happens like it should
[06:21] <defendguin> i check my settings in the removable devices menu option and everything is set properly
[06:21] <_dan_> ohad no idea sry
[06:21] <ohad> _dan_, ok. thanks
[06:22] <ohad> anyone else? problem with encryption on x61s thinkpad - using builtin intel wificard 4965 - connecting to open wifi connection without a problem. can't connect to encrypted connections - get disconnected after x amount of packets  see -> http://pastebin.com/m7812fc99
[06:22] <blued> hmm.. I just stuck a usb stick in to try it and it automounted ok here.  whats the last few lines of "dmesg" say when you put a sd card in?
[06:23] <defendguin> mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SD02G 1985024KiB
[06:23] <defendguin> [ 1586.768000]   mmcblk0: p1
[06:24] <defendguin> [  605.912000]  FAT: invalid media value (0x00)
[06:24] <defendguin> [  605.912000]  VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
[06:25] <defendguin> maybe i just need to fdisk it and stop messing with gparted
[06:26] <blued> maybe.. did you change the OS on the drive from FAT to ext3 or anything?  I think automounter expects sd cards to be fat
[06:26] <defendguin> it says its fat 16
[06:27] <nemik> nomasteryoda: so i got it working; my card was blacklisted
[06:27] <defendguin> ha ha i plugged it in for the 6th time and now it mounts
[06:27] <nemik> "we can't get out shit together with xv, let's disable intel, lol". retarded
[06:28] <_dan_> lets see if suspend works
[06:28] <_dan_> :O
[06:28] <ohad> anyone? wifi on x61s?
[06:28] <_dan_> ad hibernate
[06:28] <blued>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:28] <blued> /dev/sdc1               1         965      246989+   6  FAT16
[06:28] <blued> thats what mine says
[06:29] <defendguin>         Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:29] <defendguin> /dev/mmcblk0p1               1         247     1983996    6  FAT16
[06:29] <hydrogen> mm
[06:30] <hydrogen> thats not completely indicitive
[06:30] <_dan_> niec
[06:30] <_dan_> hibernate works
[06:30] <hydrogen> that just shows that the partition type is fat16
[06:30] <_dan_> didnt on feisty
[06:30] <hydrogen> not that it has a fat16 partition on it
[06:30] <_dan_> and suspend to
[06:30] <_dan_> very nice
[06:30] <defendguin> and my usb works now
[06:31] <defendguin> i guess things magically went back to normal
[06:31] <blued> /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077)
[06:32] <blued> thats with it mounted.  (It changed from sdc to sdb)
[06:32] <blued> shrug.. it's working as far as I can tell.  I'd try another sd card if you've got one :)
[06:37] <defendguin> it is working now
[06:37] <defendguin> the odd thing was that both SD and usb flash stopped working at the same time
[06:38] <defendguin> i rebooted plugged and un plugged then all of a sudden on the 6th try it works
[06:44] <linuxemacs> :p
[06:44] <pwnguin> how do you even know which device is the sd reader?
[06:44] <defendguin> pwnguin: i have a wheel that i spin to determine such things
[06:45] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to get build-deps, make a package, and then remove build-deps?
[06:45] <_dan_> just upgraded
[06:46] <_dan_> and networkmanager is not there anymore
[06:46] <_dan_> :O
[06:46] <ohsoferrety> So, what's wrong with tonight's update?
[06:46] <pwnguin> DanaG: yes, its called pbuilder
[06:47] <DanaG> Cool, installing it now.
[06:48] <pwnguin> DanaG: be warned, it makes a chroot of the base ubuntu install
[06:49] <DanaG> I think I have the disk space, as long as it's easy.
[06:49] <pwnguin> pretty simple
[06:49] <DanaG> er, /dev/sda3              28G   23G  3.2G  88% /
[06:49] <DanaG> size used available use%.
[06:50] <DanaG> I'd rather install build-deps locally, but I can't find a nice automatic way to do it.
[06:51] <pwnguin> ah
[06:51] <pwnguin> apt-get build-dep <pkg>
[06:51] <pwnguin> its not as fun removing them
[06:51] <RAOF> You can use "sudo pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi", as well.
[06:51] <DanaG> Too bad aptitude can't do build-deps.
[06:51] <pwnguin> dont use aptitude
[06:52] <pwnguin> just apt-get
[06:52] <DanaG> I usually prefer aptitude, but it's not suited for this task.
[06:52] <pwnguin> it's not like build-dep is an advanced task
[06:52] <DanaG> Oh, only 49 megs?  Fine, I can just leave them around.
[06:54] <pwnguin> build-deps are usually pretty small, mostly headers for the libraries etc
[06:54] <pwnguin> seriously though, how the heck to i mount SD cards?
[06:56] <DanaG> test "`id -u`" = 0
[06:56] <DanaG> make: *** [testroot]  Error 1
[06:56] <DanaG> oh, sudo.
[06:57] <RAOF> DanaG: Better, -rfakeroot.
[06:57] <DanaG> Oops, too late now, but I can just chmod stuff later.
[06:58] <arooni> hey folks
[06:58] <arooni> like the updates
[06:58] <arooni> font is smaller now
[06:59] <arooni> anyhting else new?
[07:00] <DanaG> I always read changelogs to see.
[07:00] <rathel> mplayer won't go fullscreen, when I do go fullscreen it's just a little box in the center of my screen, how do I fix this?
[07:01] <fignew> rathel, when you run mplayer
[07:01] <fignew> from the command line, run mplayer -vo xv
[07:01] <rathel> No Xvideo support in my card..
[07:01] <DanaG> Yay, my settings are back.
[07:02] <arooni> DanaG, anyting else good?
[07:02] <nemik> how to make gtk-window-decorator default and disable emerald?
[07:02] <DanaG> Actually, I was recompiling something to un-break gnome-settings-daemon.
[07:02] <ohad> no one :(?
[07:03] <arooni> the compiz settings manager is gone
[07:03] <arooni> as are floppy windows and such
[07:03] <arooni> how do i get these back?
[07:03] <DanaG> ccsm has been renamed in the preferences menu, for one thing.
[07:04] <arooni> ah ha
[07:04] <arooni> DanaG, settings are setup to provide desktop efects; but i dont see any
[07:05] <blued> rathel: try mplayer -vo x11
[07:06] <rathel> blued, Nope.
[07:06] <nephish> just upgraded from fiesty, after some fun with apt, i now have in preferences menu: desktop effects, advanced desktop effects, gl desktop, and emerald-theme-manager.  All (especially) the first three modify the same things in different ways, are they in conflict with each other ? some of me compiz stuff is a little screwy
[07:06] <blued> rathel: -vo gl2?
[07:07] <rathel> blued, that one worked.
[07:07] <blued> ok, set that in .mplayer/config
[07:07] <blued> vo_driver = "gl2"
[07:07] <rathel> blued, okay, thanks.
[07:08] <arooni> folks; how do i get the desktop manager
[07:10] <spasticteapot> Anyone here know how to fix the Thinkpad brightness adjustment glitch?
[07:10] <spasticteapot> I know there's a workaround. I just don't know what it is.
[07:10] <spasticteapot> Also....huzzah for developers!
[07:11] <DanaG> What brightness glitch?
[07:11] <DanaG> I'm having this issue here, though not on a thinkpad:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[07:16] <arooni> i love  how fast this OS is u pdated
[07:16] <arooni> i wish windows was updated as quickily
[07:18] <spasticteapot> I can't change the backlight brightness.
[07:18] <spasticteapot> It's stuck on "AUGH! MY EYES! TOO BRIGHT!"
[07:20] <Lynoure> spasticteapot: sunglasses :)
[07:21] <spasticteapot> Oy.
[07:22] <spasticteapot> You're as bad as Microsoft.
[07:22] <bullgard4> What is the name of the Gutsy feature to set up the X server graphically?
[07:26] <DanaG> !info display-config-gtk
[07:26] <ubotu> Package display-config-gtk does not exist in gutsy
[07:26] <DanaG> !info displayconfig-gtk
[07:26] <ubotu> displayconfig-gtk: Simple tool to change xserver settings. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2+20070905 (gutsy), package size 42 kB, installed size 380 kB
[07:40] <musikgoat> hello, i'm having an issue with viewing the terminal.  in tilda, gnome-terminal and even when viewing terminal from the update manager, I see a very small box that seems to move as typing is done, but cant see anything else.  This just started happening recently.   Anyone contribute this to gutsy?
[07:41] <musikgoat> the terminal is responding to my commands, but I just cant view anything
[07:55] <Takagami> Anyone have any ideas? Gnome-ppp will dial out, connect, and get an IP but just hangs at "Authenticating" until I cancel... I've look all over...
[07:56] <Takagami> I have checked /etc/ppp/chap-secrets and /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-providers and other related configs and can see nothing wrong...
[07:57] <Takagami> ubuntu/gusty/2.6.22-10-generic using Linuxant drivers on a Conexant HSF
[08:11] <bullgard4> When upgrading from Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 I do not want to use on Gnome Main menu System > Preferences > Desktop effects. I do not want to activate them either. Metacity i enough for me. How can I prevent any downloading of Compiz and Beryl?
[08:11] <nemik> does EXA with intel drivers work for anyone? or xv under compiz at all?
[08:11] <RAOF> bullgard4: You can't.
[08:12] <RAOF> bullgard4: You can, however, disable compiz by simply selecting no effects.
[08:37] <mildsauce> cheers to gusty evtouch is what I'm looking forward to.
[10:21] <darrend> hi.  in the process of reconfiguring some panels, I lost the network manager thing (that shows wireless access points in the vicinity and signal strengths) and can't see how to get it back.. anyone help?
[10:22] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Ha I tried the Gutsy Gibon live, it looks cool.
[10:23] <Poet_with_a_Gun> They should dress up the art each go round though. It took me a bit to finger out what was diff.
[10:25] <Poet_with_a_Gun> The damn restricted modules thinger kept crashing out on me. I think that was a plot for me to use open source drivers though, I know a conspiracy when I see it.
[10:34] <sander_> !info ogre3d
[10:34] <ubotu> Package ogre3d does not exist in gutsy
[10:34] <sander_> bah!
[10:34] <nanonyme> !info wifi-radar
[10:35] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 232 kB
[10:35] <nanonyme> one of the definitely coolest packages i've seen
[10:37] <sander_> nanonyme: knetworkmanager does the same right?
[10:37] <Poet_with_a_Gun> Is there anyway to get some of those "new features" in fiesty before the release?
[10:37] <nanonyme> sounds like a kde-only application
[10:37] <nanonyme> so i don't know
[10:37] <nanonyme> i'm for window manager library independent management software
[10:38] <slanning> !info libogre-dev
[10:38] <ubotu> libogre-dev: Object-oriented Graphics Rendering Engine (development files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 682 kB, installed size 3344 kB
[10:38] <sander_> nanonyme: sure.. but you have to use something right? ;)
[10:38] <slanning> sander_: I'm also interested in ogre  :)
[10:38] <nanonyme> sander_, well, what if you want to use fluxbox?
[10:39] <sander_> nanonyme: well there you've got a point...
[10:39] <virtuelv> anyone here have a Lenovo X61?
[10:39] <sander_> but hell who wants that?! ;)
[10:39] <nanonyme> it's a very common window manager here
[10:39] <nanonyme> very light and efficient
[10:39] <sander_> I prefer things tight together
[10:39] <sander_> KIO slaves and such
[10:39] <nanonyme> heh
[10:39] <sander_> drag'n drop
[10:40] <nanonyme> that is, windows-like software ;)
[10:41] <slanning> it's something Windows is superior at over linux, in my opinion - it's powerful to be able to script a web browser from a shell script, for example
[10:41] <sander_> nanonyme: perhaps.. it just works
[10:41] <sander_> slanning: sorry what do you mean?
[10:42] <sander_> that you can do stuff in linux you can't do in windows?
[10:42] <slanning> the window-like thing - like COM, where applications intercommunicate based on an interface
[10:42] <nanonyme> sander_, yeah, average user likely wants the "it just works" stuff. i suppose linux is fine as it is, it gives something for everyone
[10:43] <sander_> Well I'm not average joe but I want stuff to "just work" as well...
[10:44] <nanonyme> well, stuff works for me when i run a text-mode console too
[10:44] <sander_> and I want a desktop that works easy.. and when I want to record a video of some application I've written I want to do that with a gui ;)
[10:44] <sander_> nanonyme: sure stuff works then as well..
[10:45] <sander_> only sometimes it's just easier to do stuff by clicking then to learn how to use image magick again to record that video
[10:45] <sander_> ...for instance
[10:45] <nanonyme> as said, something for everyone. not everyone needs a point-and-click interface. some might just want a wrapper for X that they can use so they mostly use text-mode applications and run X applications if they see it necessary
[10:47] <virtuelv> I want my acceleration back, but I don't know how to repeat the steps Ubuntu actually does during installation to get the right modules back
[10:47] <virtuelv> (and don't tell me dpkg-reconfigure, because I already did that)
[10:48] <nanonyme> virtuelv, which display adapter?
[10:48] <nanonyme> that is, intel, ati or nvidia?
[10:48] <virtuelv> nanonyme: intel
[10:49] <virtuelv> it's on a Lenovo X61s, which makes the adapter an x3100/gm965 (or so)
[10:49] <nanonyme> hmm, i don't personally have one so i don't know how to set it up but i recall hearing 3d support was broken on at least some drivers. dunno
[10:49] <virtuelv> 3d did work fine
[10:49] <nanonyme> there's probably wiki's on how to set it up
[10:50] <virtuelv> nanonyme: I've googled just about anything related
[10:50] <virtuelv> that guide is sorely needed, or a utility to generate said file exactly the same way Ubuntu would do on installation
[10:52] <nanonyme> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=551131 does that xorg.conf help? it's not for the exact card but there might be some stuff that applies
[10:53] <virtuelv> nanonyme: no, the modules section there breaks
[10:53] <kling0n> virtuelv: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and check that you're loading "dri" and "glx" under modules
[10:53] <virtuelv> kling0n: only two modules needed?
[10:54] <virtuelv> @caprica:/var/log$ grep "(EE)" Xorg.9.log
[10:54] <virtuelv>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[10:54] <virtuelv> (EE) intel(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[10:54] <virtuelv> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[10:54] <virtuelv> and I have DRI options 0666
[10:54] <nanonyme> heh
[10:54] <kling0n> pastebin the whole thing pls
[10:56] <virtuelv> http://pastebin.org/2889
[10:56] <virtuelv> it was for pretty much that exact xorg.conf
[10:56] <virtuelv> or rather, the result of a dpkg-reconfigure -p --high and adding the modules as specified in nanonyme a few lines back
[10:57] <nanonyme> i have modules specified in myself?
[10:57] <kling0n> does that xserver start?
[10:57] <kling0n> or does it crash?
[10:58] <virtuelv> kling0n: crash
[10:58] <virtuelv> falling back to the less than helpful failsafe graphics mode
[10:58] <kling0n> ok
[10:58] <kling0n> try this: "sudo Xorg -configure"
[10:58] <kling0n> form cli
[10:58] <kling0n> from even
[10:59] <virtuelv> that's the manual configuration tool?
[10:59] <kling0n> 'that should at least  give you a functional config
[10:59] <kling0n> Xorg's autoconfiguration
[10:59] <virtuelv> I have a functional one, just not with acceleration
[10:59] <kling0n> which display driver ?
[11:00] <virtuelv> intel
[11:01] <kling0n> that's how it appears in the device section ?
[11:02] <virtuelv> Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[11:03] <petal> I've been trying to get hibernation working for a day now. Then I read sth at launchpad about a change from SLAB to SLUB in Gutsy and that it affects the fglrx-ATI driver. Is that true? Won't ATI-card owners be able to hibernate when using FGLRX?
[11:05] <kling0n> virtuelv: I put an example modules section at http://pastebin.org/2891
[11:06] <virtuelv> kling0n: ty
[11:07] <virtuelv> sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo apt-get install -f gave me a somewhat functional one
[11:09] <GlasstuX> hi leute
[11:09] <kling0n> try glxinfo to see it it worked
[11:09] <GlasstuX> oh sry english channel
[11:09] <GlasstuX> have a question
[11:09] <GlasstuX> rythmbox has many import errors
[11:10] <GlasstuX> it could not have something to do with the codecs.... i have mp3 support installed and other mp3's work right
[11:10] <GlasstuX> a bug in rythmbox?
[11:11] <mr-russ> GlasstuX: what sort of import errors?
[11:11] <GlasstuX> http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotonw4.png
[11:12] <kling0n> GlasstuX: have you checked permissions on that file ?
[11:13] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: the latest version of rythmbox couldn't automatically load iPod plugin.
[11:14] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: The error message alarm me: import ipod plugin error :(
[11:15] <pwuertz> hi... the new version of hotkey-setup (0.1-17ubuntu19) seems to be broken... I cant install it because the post-installation script returned an error
[11:15] <pwuertz> anyone got that too?
[11:16] <GlasstuX> linuxemacs: but i do not have an ipod! and the permissions of the files and folder should be right
[11:16] <GlasstuX> i have checked that
[11:16] <hjmills> GlasstuX, make sure you do have all the codecs - there seem to be several mp3 codecs as I always get that problem. There is the fluendo plugin and the plugins in the ugly set for gstreamer
[11:17] <hjmills> GlasstuX, if you don't have an ipod try disabling the ipod plugin
[11:17] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: nod, i don't have an ipod too. but it's automatically installed since i update software source.
[11:17] <petal> What's that change from SLAB to SLUB? What is one or the other?
[11:17] <hjmills> pwuertz, It installed fine on mine by the looks of things
[11:17] <hjmills> petal, they are just slowly changing it to SLUG and hoping nobody notices...
[11:17] <GlasstuX> hjmills linuxemacs i will try that
[11:17] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: and when i launch it, it alarm an load plugin error. ;(
[11:18] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: is it a audio player?
[11:18] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: i haven't used hjmills...
[11:18] <GlasstuX> rythmbox? yes it is an audio player
[11:18] <pwuertz> hjmills: hm... there are several reports about this... but no conclusions
[11:18] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: no, i said hjmills
[11:18] <pwuertz> like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/140967
[11:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140967 in hotkey-setup "package hotkey-setup 0.1-17ubuntu19 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] 
[11:19] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: which verion of linux kernel are you using?
[11:19] <hjmills> linuxemacs, hi, I dont think i am an audio player
[11:19] <GlasstuX> linuxemacs: 2.6.22-11-generic
[11:20] <GlasstuX> hjmills: lol sorry! :D
[11:20] <hjmills> GlasstuX, lol
[11:20] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: gusty?
[11:21] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: i have update my rythmbox from gusty, but i running 7.04 now~~~:P
[11:21] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: when i update the new pakcage, it occur the error of load iPod plugin. :(
[11:22] <hjmills> linuxemacs, stick to packages for the distro you are using - it will help you retain your sanity
[11:23] <linuxemacs> hjmills: hmm~~~thx for your advice
[11:24] <GlasstuX> ipod plugin is running fine ithink
[11:24] <GlasstuX> i get no errors
[11:24] <GlasstuX> i just get import errors
[11:25] <GlasstuX> and yes iam running gutsy
[11:25] <hjmills> GlasstuX, have you installed w32codecs (or w64codecs for 64bit)
[11:25] <GlasstuX> hjmills: yes i have
[11:25] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: haha~~~i have the same problem :(, it's display every time.
[11:26] <GlasstuX> so... i have now installed nearly all codecs i could find
[11:26] <GlasstuX> now let me test it
[11:26] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: haha~~~tell me the result:) thx~
[11:27] <GlasstuX> result..... : still the same crap
[11:27] <hjmills> GlasstuX, hmm, try uninstalling the gstreamer-fluendo-mp3 package and install the gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-plugins-ugly-multiverse if you dont have them
[11:27] <linuxemacs> GlasstuX: hmm~~~haha~~~
[11:27] <GlasstuX> hjmills: everything installed
[11:28] <GlasstuX> other mp3's are running fine!
[11:28] <linuxemacs> hjmills: those package can solve the plugin loading error?
[11:28] <GlasstuX> just a few albums connot be imported
[11:28] <GlasstuX> a friend of mine has the same problem
[11:28] <linuxemacs> which formato fo your audio tag? utf-8? or anothers?
[11:28] <GlasstuX> i think it is time for a bugreport
[11:29] <hjmills> linuxemacs, those have the best (use wise, not license wise) mp3 plugin for gstreamer and the fluendo one is a free mp3 plugin which wont work with some mp3s
[11:29] <linuxemacs> hjmills: thx, let me try:)
[11:29] <hjmills> GlasstuX, just check those packages first to make sure rhythmbox isnt loading fluendo which cant cope with a few odd mp3s
[11:29] <GlasstuX> linuxemacs: how to find that out?
[11:30] <GlasstuX> hjmills: same problem without fluendo
[11:31] <hjmills> GlasstuX, ok, and with the plugins-ugly and plugins-ugly-multiverse packages?
[11:31] <Fracture_> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:31] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.11+2.6.22.3-11.3 (gutsy), package size 4870 kB, installed size 14800 kB
[11:31] <Fracture_> any idea when 100.14.19 is coming ?
[11:36] <kling0n> Fracture: you could just fetch it yourself
[11:37] <Fracture> kling0n: I don't know the correct installation technique so that I don't break my system
[11:38] <kling0n> Fracture: ok
[11:38] <kling0n> Fracture: i'd not touvh it if I was you, then :)
[11:38] <kling0n> touch even
[11:39] <Fracture> not that I am worried about breaking my system.. I have 5 ubuntu installs in separate lvm partitions.  I would just prefer to know how to to it 'properly' whatever that is, before doing it at all.  can you provide any pointers on this ? i.e. how does the packager prepare the debs that are in the repo ?
[11:44] <leperkhanz> I'm still having the .dmrc issue, and no direct rendering.
[11:44] <leperkhanz> What can I do?
[11:51] <Fracture> ugh.. just rebooted after an update, and compiz now can't be enabled
[12:04] <szf> atho Fracture isn't here now, his prob appears to be reported in launchpad as Bug #141164
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141164 in desktop-effects "Desktop effects could not be enabled since latest updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141164
[12:05] <szf> ...appears to include my install too
[12:07] <szf> launchpad bug 141130 lists wrapper script mod
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141130 in compiz "compiz stop working after 17-Sept-2007 updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141130
[12:37] <leperkhanz> Jesus, ANOTHER 160 mb of updates?  What are you guys shooting up coffee or what?
[12:43] <yellow_chicken> where can browse the / root file structure of gutsy?
[12:54] <slanning> yellow_chicken: what does that mean, "browse the root file structure" ?  I assume you don't mean with `ls` :)
[12:55] <yellow_chicken> slanning: no, like go to a website, and it has the tree structure of gusty. so i just click away
[12:56] <yellow_chicken> slanning: if you can type "tree" at /etc and paste on pastebin, much appreciations from me =)
[12:58] <slanning> I would gladly but the two machines I'm using atm are feisty fawn, my other laptop does gutsy
[12:58] <yellow_chicken> ok
[12:58] <IntuitiveNipple> morning :)
[12:59] <amaia> hi
[12:59] <amaia> i'm trying to burn the daily build of the gutsy release
[12:59] <amaia> but I am not able to burn it to a 700MB RW disc
[01:00] <amaia> i'm using k3b
[01:00] <amaia> how can i overcome this?
[01:00] <IntuitiveNipple> It's oversize... you need larger disks or use a DVD
[01:00] <amaia> like 800MB discs?
[01:01] <amaia> the final release will be like this too?
[01:02] <amaia> what is the latest iso for gutsy that I can download and burn to a 700MB disc?
[01:02] <amaia> tribe 5?
[01:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I think so, yes
[01:03] <amaia> ok ;) txs a lot
[01:04] <IntuitiveNipple> The daily-builds aren't designed to fit the space but to test all the latest packages for a fresh install. Work is going on to reduce the size :)
[01:04] <nomasteryoda> oooohhh nice new fonts updating now...
[01:04] <nomasteryoda> goodie
[01:05] <nomasteryoda> and amazing to see we are going right into OO.org 2.3.0~rc1-1ubuntu1
[01:06] <amaia> i am still seeing some black window bugs on a nvidia laptop... is this normal?
[01:07] <amaia> but it's working ok on a nvidia desktop with a higher resolution
[01:07] <amaia> it's strange
[01:07] <sander_> nomasteryoda: new fonts?
[01:08] <sander_> haven't noticed anything :)
[01:08] <nomasteryoda> was an update this morning ... updated font packages
[01:08] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure they are just tweaks
[01:30] <Vegar> are package versions frozen when gutsy goes stable?
[01:30] <Vegar> ie. no new versions until the next stable release
[01:30] <contrast83> Pretty much, except for security patches, I think.
[01:30] <Vegar> right
[01:31] <contrast83> And obviously you'll still get updates from Backports if it's enabled.
[01:31] <Vegar> and a new release every six months?
[01:31] <Vegar> ish
[01:31] <dennda> Hey, which version of GNOME is used in Gutsy?
[01:31] <contrast83> Right
[01:31] <avatar_> dennda: 2.20
[01:32] <dennda> avatar_: thanks
[01:33] <TechnoFrood> I just installed gnome 2.20, but can't find out how to turn on the Screensaver leave a message thing
[01:34] <Vegar> how can I choose which /sys thing the brightness adjustment keys should use?
[01:36] <Vegar> I have three directiories in /sys/class/backlight/
[01:36] <Vegar> directories*
[01:36] <Vegar> only one of those control the backlight
[01:44] <Mattias> im having some problems with the sound atm, glitch in it, sounds like static electricity on high base, i've tried 2 sounds cards, audigy and the hda intel soundcard on my asus p5k deluxe mobo, both exact same problem
[01:44] <Mattias> anyone experienced this ?
[01:45] <Vegar> do you have a mic?
[01:46] <Mattias> yeah, its turned off, i got a fatality headset
[01:46] <Vegar> are you sure it's turned off?
[01:46] <Vegar> could it be the headset that's broken? have you tried it on another computer or tried another headset?
[01:46] <Mattias> yes
[01:47] <Mattias> alsamixer turned off, mic on off is at off
[01:47] <Mattias> i use it in windows too
[01:47] <Mattias> no problems on windows
[01:47] <Vegar> ok, that's strange
[01:47] <Mattias> yeah i think so too
[01:47] <leperkhanz> OK, so I fixed my .dmrc issue, but I still don't have direct rendering.
[01:47] <leperkhanz> any ideas?
[01:48] <Mattias> im gonna try other sound engines, maybe its a sound engine problem
[01:49] <leperkhanz> Hey, I might be having a similar problem to the one you're having.
[01:49] <leperkhanz> I'm just trying to track down one thing at a time.
[01:49] <Mattias> Vegar: only tried in rythmbox so far, maybe thats the problem
[01:49] <leperkhanz> direct rendering being the first issue.
[01:49] <Vegar> Mattias: try disabling ESD
[01:50] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhanz: what are the specifics of the issue?
[01:50] <leperkhanz> glxinfo : Direct Rendering No.
[01:50] <Vegar> Mattias: system -> preferences -> sound -> sounds tab -> uncheck Enable software sound mixing
[01:50] <leperkhanz> I'm going to remove nvidia, and re install nvidia. :)
[01:50] <leperkhanz> brb.
[01:52] <Mattias> still same problem with it disabled >,<
[01:54] <Mattias> Vegar: works in xmms, Rythmbox seems to be the problem
[01:55] <Vegar> cool
[01:55] <Vegar> nothing serious then
[01:55] <Mattias> finally pure sound without glitches :P
[01:58] <Vegar> Mattias: I have the same problem
[01:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there an existing bug-report about that?
[01:59] <Vegar> Mattias: you should file a bug report on rhythmbox
[01:59] <Mattias> ooh
[01:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I've had some strange issues with Rhythmbox that I couldn't reproduce with xmms, too
[01:59] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: any better?
[01:59] <leperkhan1> nope.
[02:00] <leperkhan1> a restart still provides no direct rendering.
[02:00] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: DRI enabled in xorg.conf? what does Xorg.0.log show?
[02:00] <leperkhan1> i disabled nvidia in the restricted drivers, then rebooted, then enabled, and rebooted.  Still no direct rendering.
[02:00] <leperkhan1> good question.  Where is that?
[02:01] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log (easier to use System Log viewer for that)
[02:01] <leperkhan1> hmm... FOUR xorg.conf files listed... maybe in there is the problem?
[02:02] <leperkhan1> where is log viewer?
[02:02] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Administration
[02:02] <IntuitiveNipple> "System Log"
[02:03] <leperkhan1> huh, afaik xorg.conf is ok.
[02:04] <leperkhan1> Should I pastebin it?
[02:04] <leperkhan1> I don't even know what I'm looking for. lol
[02:05] <Mattias> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/116990
[02:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116990 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox sound problems (clicking/snapping/crackling) when not using crossfading backend" [High,Triaged] 
[02:05] <Mattias> seems someone reported it
[02:06] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: yes, pastebin it
[02:07] <leperkhan1> ok...
[02:07] <leperkhan1> gonna pastebin 'em both.
[02:07] <leperkhan1> just a sec.
[02:08] <leperkhan1> http://pastebin.com/m7c53b6ae
[02:09] <leperkhan1> http://pastebin.com/m1f1435ce
[02:09] <leperkhan1> xorg.conf, then the xorg.log
[02:10] <leperkhan1> Man, I am a tech genius with my lingo and stuff!
[02:10] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: Is compiz enabled (desktop effects) ?
[02:11] <leperkhan1> not currently.
[02:11] <leperkhan1> I can turn it on (alt+F2) compiz --replace &
[02:11] <leperkhan1> and it works well, too, and I get slightly higher FPS in urban terror.
[02:11] <leperkhan1> which is weird as hell to say the least.
[02:12] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: http://pastebin.com/d6f5bee5b
[02:12] <leperkhan1> So add that to my xorg.conf?
[02:12] <leperkhan1> and restart x?
[02:14] <leperkhan1> waiting for confirm before I hit save... :)
[02:14] <leperkhan1> IntuitiveNipple: You there?
[02:15] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: hang on, reading your log file
[02:15] <leperkhan1> ah, OK. np.  Thanks!
[02:15] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: I *think* the issue is the nvidia driver you're using
[02:16] <leperkhan1> could be!  How should I switch/fix it?  Stupid Nvidia with no released specs!! GRRR
[02:17] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: It looks as if you're using 'nvidia-glx' when I'd have expected 'nvidia-glx-new' but it depends on the nvidia chipset. You've got "NVIDIA GPU GeForce 6600 GT at PCI:5:0:0" which I had *thought* would use 'nvidia-glx-new' but I'm not sure now
[02:18] <leperkhan1> huh.
[02:18] <leperkhan1> I'm not sure either!
[02:18] <leperkhan1> I don't know jack $4i+!!!!
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Try using the new Gnome video configurator
[02:18] <leperkhan1> Hmmm.. OK.
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Administration > Screens and Graphics
[02:19] <leperkhan1> umm..
[02:19] <leperkhan1> hmmm..
[02:19] <IntuitiveNipple> check which driver it is using on the Graphics card tab
[02:20] <leperkhan1> I'm using nv Nvidia 6 series.
[02:20] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm, well, it should know best :)
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got a 7600 here, and it's using geforce 7 series, but that doesn't tell us which underlying driver package it is
[02:21] <leperkhan1> I can try nvidia instead of nv.
[02:21] <leperkhan1> yeah.
[02:21] <sander_> nvidia is binary (official) driver... nv is opensource 2d driver
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: what does restricted drivers manager report?
[02:21] <leperkhan1> oh.... well maybe that's the problem?
[02:21] <leperkhan1> it says in use?
[02:22] <leperkhan1> gonna try the other one...
[02:22] <leperkhan1> :)
[02:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Mine shows "NVidia accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)" - that 'latest cards' bit indicates nvidia-glx-new I think
[02:22] <leperkhan1> Um, that didn't seem to do anything.
[02:22] <leperkhan1> I don't see nvidia-glx-new.
[02:22] <leperkhan1> maybe it's not installed?
[02:22] <IntuitiveNipple> See it where?
[02:23] <IntuitiveNipple> in R.D.M. ?
[02:23] <leperkhan1> in that screen menu.
[02:23] <IntuitiveNipple> oh, no, I don't think it shows up that specifically there. I didn't notice any reference to it there
[02:23] <leperkhan1> in RDM it says NVIDIA accelerated graphic driver
[02:24] <leperkhan1>  In use.
[02:25] <sander_> btw I have very low FPS with glxgears
[02:25] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, so I think that confirms its 'nvidia-glx', but the xorg log file shows GLX is enabled ok
[02:25] <sander_> 2259 frames in 5.0 seconds = 451.782 FPS
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: Does glxinfo report direct rendering enabled?
[02:26] <leperkhan1> yeah, the screens & graphics menu is not letting me actually change anything, either.
[02:26] <leperkhan1> No
[02:26] <leperkhan1> It says Direct Rendering: No
[02:26] <sander_> try #nvidia-settings
[02:27] <sander_> ehjm not the channel
[02:27] <sander_> but the command :)
[02:27] <sander_> aparently you haven't got the nvidia driver working...
[02:27] <leperkhan1> ok.
[02:27] <leperkhan1> nothing.
[02:28] <IntuitiveNipple> according to the log-file, the nvidia-glx driver is working fine
[02:28] <leperkhan1> RDM is lying to me.
[02:28] <leperkhan1> right.  but no direct rendering.
[02:28] <leperkhan1> compiz works fine, too, but my fps in every 3d app is atrocious.
[02:29] <leperkhan1> should I apt-get nvidia-glx-new?
[02:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Have they fixed the GLX bug that crashed X when you run a GL app ? I don't want to try glxgears and disappear!
[02:29] <sander_> leperkhan1: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:29] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: No, I think it knows how to choose the correct driver better than we do!
[02:30] <leperkhan1> maybe... It's not working, I'm not trusting anything.  Especially as RDM is telling me NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver Enabled, In use.
[02:30] <IntuitiveNipple> lol! I was just wondering why glxgears wouldn't run... then realised I was using an SSH session to a remote server :p
[02:30] <IntuitiveNipple> The log file says it is
[02:30] <leperkhan1> lol
[02:30] <leperkhan1> huh
[02:31] <leperkhan1> glxgears works.
[02:31] <leperkhan1> how do I get fps?
[02:31] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, glxgears is ok here glxinfo -info
[02:31] <IntuitiveNipple> 9582 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1916.328 FPS
[02:31] <nanonyme> it should show that in the console
[02:32] <leperkhan1> Yeah, I'm averaging 2000 FPS.
[02:32] <leperkhan1> in glxgears
[02:32] <nanonyme> there might be comparison charts on the net
[02:33] <leperkhan1> Wine won't run any 3d apps, and my FPS in Urban Terror is ludicrous, Especially since it's Quake 3! LOL
[02:33] <IntuitiveNipple> hang on, surely if Direct rendering is disabled you'd not get much out of glxgears?
[02:33] <leperkhan1> But compiz works fine.
[02:33] <leperkhan1> yeah, I don't get it.  I have no idea what is going on here.
[02:33] <nanonyme> IntuitiveNipple, it would use software emulation then
[02:33] <nanonyme> which would be much slower
[02:34] <leperkhan1> 1864.3 fps
[02:34] <IntuitiveNipple> 2000FPS is pretty fast emulation, with the CPUs idling!
[02:34] <nanonyme> hehe
[02:34] <leperkhan1> software emulation would not run that fast, would it?
[02:34] <nanonyme> why not just use glxinfo|grep -i direct?
[02:34] <IntuitiveNipple> we have;  I've got DRI, leperkhan1 apparently doesn't
[02:34] <nanonyme> ah
[02:34] <leperkhan1> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[02:34] <IntuitiveNipple> we're trying to figure out why he hasn't
[02:35] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[02:35] <nanonyme> GLX on?
[02:35] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah
[02:35] <IntuitiveNipple> I've looked at his Xorg log file, and xorg.conf
[02:35] <nanonyme> care to paste the link to the log file?
[02:35] <IntuitiveNipple> xorg log http://pastebin.com/m1f1435ce
[02:35] <leperkhan1> compiz is working great.
[02:36] <leperkhan1> (i just turned it on)
[02:36] <linuxemacs> hi all
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> "NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled"
[02:36] <nanonyme> what does the vendor string in glxinfo say?
[02:37] <leperkhan1> You want me to pastebin that whole glxinfo thing?
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> might as well :)
[02:37] <leperkhan1> NVIDIA corporation
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> mine shows: name of display: :0.0
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> display: :0  screen: 0
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> direct rendering: Yes
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> server glx version string: 1.4
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Does yours look like that?
[02:38] <leperkhan1> http://pastebin.com/m7480a13d
[02:38] <IntuitiveNipple> emrr. "server glx vendor string: SGI"
[02:39] <leperkhan1> Ah, yeah, wtf is that?
[02:39] <leperkhan1> lol
[02:39] <leperkhan1> I NEVER selected SGI anything.  I swear to god.
[02:39] <nanonyme> guessed that ^^
[02:40] <leperkhan1> So how do I fix that?!?
[02:40] <nanonyme> i'm not actually sure, i've only had to fix it in gentoo
[02:40] <nanonyme> there it was mostly fixed by reinstalling the driver
[02:40] <leperkhan1> tried that.
[02:40] <leperkhan1> sorta.
[02:41] <nanonyme> and maybe X. (in gentoo that means you compile the stuff again which solves quite a few issues)
[02:41] <leperkhan1> right.
[02:41] <leperkhan1> so.... hm.
[02:41] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: Which gutsy install did you use originally?
[02:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Tribe-5 ?
[02:41] <leperkhan1> yeah, alternate tribe 5 I think.
[02:41] <leperkhan1> Maybe.
[02:42] <leperkhan1> I have since lost that disk.
[02:42] <leperkhan1> and run every update.
[02:43] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: Try making your xorg.conf look like this module section: http://pastebin.com/d64e80e25
[02:43] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: Same as me; you shouldn't be having a problem
[02:44] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhan1: you'll need to restart X to check it of course ... so make sure you make a backup of xorg.conf before you try that so you can restore it from the console if it doesn't work
[02:45] <leperkhan1> Ok.... um... Fortune favors the bold?  LOL
[02:45] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[02:45] <leperkhan1> I don't know how to navigate in the console anyway.
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, if it fails to restart...
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> ... press Ctrl+alt+F1 to get to virtual terminal 1 console
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> login
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> then "sudo su" to get root privileges
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> "cd /etc/X11"
[02:46] <leperkhan1> could it be module "v4l" screwing something up?
[02:47] <leperkhan1> gonna try a restart x. wish me luck.
[02:51] <penguincentral> hi.  i did an update about five hours ago, and now my compiz fusion effects don't work.  What is going on?
[02:53] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhanz: how goes it?
[02:53] <leperkhanz> um. that was wild.
[02:53] <leperkhanz> crashed hard into failsafe x.
[02:53] <IntuitiveNipple> with the 'dri' module entry?
[02:53] <leperkhanz> had to reselect drivers in weird resolution, then restart x, then hard crash X on black screen.
[02:53] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[02:54] <leperkhanz> reboot, GIANT login screen.  here I am, glxinfo: Direct Rendering NO
[02:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Was this working ok until the recent (last day) updates?
[02:54] <leperkhanz> server glxrender SGI
[02:54] <leperkhanz> No, it's been broken for a couple weeks.
[02:54] <leperkhanz> i might have done it, or something else.  Really don't know!
[02:54] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhanz: Scan through recent bug reports related to direct rendering, see if anything strikes you as similar
[02:58] <leperkhanz> ok
[02:58] <leperkhanz> launchpad?
[02:58] <IntuitiveNipple> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=direct+rendering&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[02:58] <IntuitiveNipple> blimey, they do believe in using GET !
[02:58] <penguincentral> hi.  the compiz desktop effects on my gutsy computer has stopped working.  I did an update about 5 hours ago.  can anyone help?
[02:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I've scanned a few but I suspect you will spot something that seems similar easier than I can
[02:59] <IntuitiveNipple> penguincentral: Have you disabled/re-enabled them from the System > Preferences menu?
[02:59] <penguincentral> IntuitiveNipple: no, how do i do that?
[03:00] <IntuitiveNipple> penguincentral: I had the same issue, fixed it earlier and posted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/141130/comments/5
[03:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141130 in compiz "compiz stop working after 17-Sept-2007 updates" [High,Confirmed] 
[03:00] <penguincentral> IntuitiveNipple: so i run that command in the terminal?
[03:00] <IntuitiveNipple> yes, or from Alt+F2 and then logout and login again
[03:01] <penguincentral> ok IntuitiveNipple
[03:01] <penguincentral> i'll brb
[03:01] <IntuitiveNipple> famous last words :p
[03:01] <leperkhanz> yeah.
[03:02] <leperkhanz> Man, half those reports look familiar, but I don't know enough to say anything at all, actually.
[03:02] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[03:02] <leperkhanz> Is there some way to completely hose X and make it start over with defaults?
[03:03] <leperkhanz> You made it back!
[03:03] <penguincentral> IntuitiveNipple: back, and it works
[03:03] <penguincentral> yes leperkhanz, i'm back
[03:03] <penguincentral> ;)
[03:03] <leperkhanz> lucky bastard!  *sigh*
[03:03] <penguincentral> leperkhanz: yeah
[03:03] <IntuitiveNipple> leperkhanz: I think this one is a good candidate for your issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/136598
[03:03] <penguincentral> well the fix worked
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136598 in xserver-xgl "xserver-xgl on gutsy doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> penguincentral: Can you post a comment to the bug report saying it worked for you
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> penguincentral: the more confirmations, the quicker the fix will be added to the updates for others
[03:05] <Pici> I thought that they threw xgl support into the regular gnome session so that now you dont need to run the xgl session.
[03:06] <leperkhanz> Well, I added a comment there.
[03:06] <leperkhanz> I'm trying to be a good netizen.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> RAOF: what info do you need on ^ ?
[03:15] <traveller127> hi, is the final release date still standing?
[03:16] <stdin> as far as we know it is
[03:19] <Hobbsee> why wouldnt it be?
[03:20] <traveller127> i was under the impression there should be another release by now which is missed
[03:20] <leperkhanz> numerous XGL problems and bugs?
[03:22] <traveller127> is gnucash 2.2 going to make it to the repos?
[03:22] <Tomcat_> traveller127: If it's not in already, then probably not.
[03:22] <traveller127> oh i c,
[03:22] <traveller127> pitty
[03:23] <Tomcat_> We're already in beta freeze, I doubt anything bigger is now going through.
[03:23] <traveller127> ok
[03:23] <traveller127> i use gutsy, could work
[03:23] <traveller127> *good work
[03:27] <Pici> bug 129759
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129759 in gnucash "new upstream release 2.2.0" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129759
[03:27] <Pici> traveller127: ^
[03:29] <aLeSD> hi all
[03:29] <aLeSD> if I install gutsy now ... it will update by itself to the final release ?
[03:30] <Pici> !final
[03:30] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[03:30] <Pici> aLeSD: Yes.
[03:31] <aLeSD> thanks
[03:31] <aLeSD> where I can download the iso image ?
[03:32] <IntuitiveNipple> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[03:33] <IntuitiveNipple> or you can use Tribe-5 and download all the additional updates
[03:33] <pwuertz> hi... after upgrading to gutsy I'm having trouble with the gnome-applets.. when logging in a user for the second time, I'm getting errors like "The panel encountered a problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet", asking to delete the applet from the configuration
[03:34] <pwuertz> after a complete reboot, the applets are loading fine
[03:34] <pwuertz> I already tried to reinstall gnome-applet, gnome-panel and so on... no effect
[03:35] <aLeSD> IntuitiveNipple: which is the most safety image ?
[03:35] <pwuertz> I deleted .gnome, .gnome2, .gconf from my home folder... which does not fix the problem
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> aLeSD: They're all alpha test versions. The daily builds will have all the recent updates on the (oversized) CD image
[03:36] <pwuertz> I would like to track down this error myself... but "the panel encountered a problem" is not that kind of information I need ;)
[03:37] <aLeSD> IntuitiveNipple.ok
[03:37] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: I worked on a similar issue a few months ago and it turned out there were multiple loader entries in gconf for the applets... I solved it by removing the duplicate loader entries
[03:38] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: but I already deleted .gconf
[03:40] <IntuitiveNipple> It's still worth checking /apps/panel/ once the session has started to see what has been configured
[03:40] <ShackJack> HI all - nautilus is not auto-mounting USB pen drives... I plug in and the device shows in /deb/sdb and lsusb list the device, but it doesn't show in my computer or on the desktop - any ideas ?
[03:40] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: just deleted .gconf, killed gconfd-2, then gnome-panel
[03:41] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: as result, the panel is loaded using the default layout, my customizations are gone.. but the applets are all reporting errors
[03:42] <dennda> I have a gutsy system here which I wanted to update from CD. This worked quite well on another machine. So I inserted the CD and told him to update the system with it, without using the internet connection to fetch latest updates. But it does connect and try to download some packages. And this is VERY slow
[03:42] <IntuitiveNipple> I'd put your standard .gconf back and examine the path I suggested for clues
[03:42] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: is there anything special I have to check for?
[03:42] <pwuertz> I'm in ~/.gconf/apps/panel/applets
[03:42] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: I just looked for anything 'unusual' :)
[03:43] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: the point is... when I reboot the systems... the applets fire up fine
[03:43] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: Under /apps/panel/applets I looked for duplicate entries and compared against /apps/panel/general/applet_id_list and others
[03:43] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: but I rather don't want to go with that windows-like workaround ;)
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: which suggests you've got duplicate problems.
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: what are you doing between the fresh reboot and the time the problem occurs? logging out and back in? fast user switching?
[03:45] <traveller127> i know it's quite late 4 suggestions, but keep in mind the UUID is causing (me) troubles
[03:46] <IntuitiveNipple> UUID, why?
[03:46] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: i tried several methods... a normal logout and back in.... killing X instantly and waiting for GDM to show up again.... killing X, killing gconfd-2, logging back in
[03:46] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: maybe its the particular customisations you've got selected?
[03:46] <traveller127> cause when an upgrade happens the UUID changes and cannot access my home dir
[03:47] <traveller127> this has happened in Feisty as well (final)
[03:47] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: I thought about that too... but after deleting .gconf and .gnome and .gnome2 everything should be back to default
[03:47] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: yeah... it does sound weird, like something isn't being unloaded when you logout
[03:47] <traveller127> i hade to change the boot/menu.lst and smg else  from uuid=number to uuid=name_of_boot_partion etc
[03:48] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz:  maybe check what's still running with "ps -ef" from a terminal after logging out?
[03:48] <IntuitiveNipple> traveller127: Do you have separate boot, /, and /home partitions?
[03:49] <traveller127> yes
[03:49] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: right.. but I just dont know enough about gnome to investigate this problem further... when doing a "ps"... the only application that survives the X kill is gconfd-2... so I thought killing this application should fix this problem
[03:49] <traveller127> using sony vaio sz3xp, dual boot, 1.windows 2. linux (one partion for / and one /home)
[03:49] <traveller127> i have post a bug
[03:50] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: apart from the things I just tried to solve this... I just don't know more about other magic stuff gnome is doing in the background :(
[03:50] <IntuitiveNipple> traveller127: the UUID of / shouldn't change during an update unless the file-system is recreated, but it sounds like an fstab issue if the /home mount is incorrect
[03:51] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: I'm not sure what to suggest, it's not the easiest thing to debug.
[03:51] <traveller127> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103148
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103148 in ubuntu "kinit: No resume image" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:51] <traveller127> well, changing the UUID as mention did the trick
[03:52] <traveller127> the bad thing is that the first time, i reinstalled everything
[03:52] <traveller127> had kept a backup but since the UUID was differnt smg didnt work
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> traveller127: That isn't a bug
[03:53] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: it would be easier if gnome-panel told me why loading the applet failed
[03:53] <traveller127> what is then?
[03:53] <IntuitiveNipple> traveller127: I'm trying to find the original bug-report/explanation, give me a mo
[03:54] <traveller127> ok
[03:55] <elmargol> I friend of me has problems using his nforce 430 network device on the current gutsy kernel. Do you think he sould install nvnet?
[03:55] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: FOUND IT !
[03:56] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: thanks!
[03:56] <elmargol> the name of the mainboard is gigabyte ga-k8n51pvmt-9-rh
[03:56] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: what was it?
[03:57] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: when looking at the applet's gconf settings, the word "bonobo" reminded me on another application running in the background
[03:57] <pwuertz> /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server
[03:58] <pwuertz> i killed that one... reloaded gnome-panel... and the applets work again
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm, but that shouldn't affect logouts/logins
[03:59] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: so this service is buggy for some reason
[04:00] <IntuitiveNipple> traveller127: I can't find the other bug report now, although I should be subscribed to it. Basically, the kinit reports are standard during boot -0 simply saying it is looking for a Hibernate image and not finding one (because its not a resume-from-hibernate) so it does a full boot
[04:00] <pwuertz> from the looks... gnome-panel seems to load applets as "plugins" using this bonobo server
[04:00] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: do some searching on launchpad for bugs related to bonobo
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> bonobo is the CORBA server
[04:06] <pwuertz> IntuitiveNipple: ok.. when knowing about the bonobo-activation-server, one can find the proper bug report also...
[04:06] <pwuertz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/49594
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> pwuertz: Add a comment to the bug report please, confirming your experience of it
[04:10] <ShackJack> HI all - nautilus is not auto-mounting USB pen drives... I plug in and the device shows in /deb/sdb and lsusb list the device, but it doesn't show in my computer or on the desktop - any ideas ?
[04:13] <nikolam> hello
[04:14] <sander_> wow, grub fucked up my bootloader and now I can't boot into windows
[04:14] <nikolam> i just upgraded my Xubuntu Tribe5 and i see that in Update manager, xubuntu desktop is greyed and not selected and also ubuntu-artwork. Should i select them in synaptic?
[04:15] <ReL1K_> anyone run the updates yesterday and have their virtualbox hose?
[04:15] <ReL1K_> stopped working all of a sudden after updates
[04:16] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: Checking now - I was thinking of uninstalling Vbox suspecting it's causing my USB woes...
[04:16] <nikolam> sander_: You should pres escape key during 3 seconds timeout on boot, select other OS in menu. You can also change what OS will it boot in /boot/grub/manu.lst
[04:16] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: p.S. My compiz works under my XGL/ATI setup and is autoloading emerald (?!) but not worknig on nvidia..
[04:16] <sander_> well the problem is that windows isn't even listed
[04:17] <nikolam> i can copy/paste you my settings and you can add them. Just a sec.
[04:17] <nikolam> Here at me, listi is long and you need to scroll it down with arrow keys  to see windows
[04:17] <ReL1K_> looks like i got it working if i turn off USB SHack
[04:18] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: VirtualBox, you mean?
[04:18] <ReL1K_> yea if i turn off USB in VirtualBox, works fine
[04:18] <ReL1K_> wasn't doing this yesterday or for the past couple weeks
[04:20] <ReL1K_> ShackJack: what usb problems are you having? I noticed when I booted up today it only mounted one of my usb drives and not the other, even with a forced mount didn't work right. After unplugging and plugging it in a couple times it finally got recognized
[04:20] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: Yeah, I think my days of testing pre-release distros are over... it's too much hassle, I don't think I'm as properly equipped as I imagine myself to be, and there's often not a lot of help on the IRC
[04:21] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: My computer's - both of them - won't automount USB drives - despite them being detected, listed in lsusb and /dev/sd*
[04:22] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: Even my desktop which has an external USB HD manually added in fstab doesn't show the drive on the desktop and I have to go to /media/DriveName...
[04:23] <ShackJack> I had mad a slight change to Fstab to accommodate VBox read/writing USB drives which I though might be interfering, but I changed it back but have same results... may try uninstalling now as I can't think of anything else..
[04:29] <ShackJack> I all - nautilus is not auto-mounting USB pen drives... I plug in and the device shows in /deb/sdb and lsusb list the device, but it doesn't show in my computer or on the desktop - any ideas ?
[04:29] <ShackJack> Trying to mount with gnome-mount says I am not prviledged to mount the volume - does that provide any clues..
[04:38] <DanaG> That's odd, I just got the server's response as plain text here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz
[04:39] <DanaG> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxHTTP/1.1 200 OkDate: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:37:46 GMT      ...
[04:39] <DanaG> Set-Cookie: lp=24EWf1q5Xx5y.w-X0ACHpEx8Kl05p2oKk9WHO1veo9zq2RuHXvO1l4; Domain=.launchpad.net; expires=Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:37:46 GMT; Path=/; secure;
[04:40] <DanaG> (removed a few lines from the middle.
[04:44] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: Yes, I think zope is playing up, I saw that 1/2 hour ago
[04:47] <DanaG> Oh, something cool about 100.14.11 drivers: it fixes the freeze on compiz exit.
[04:47] <DanaG> It also seems to improve battery life while running Compiz.
[04:47] <DanaG> So now I don't lose as much battery over metacity.
[04:47] <ReL1K_> anyone with a T61 loose sound after updates?
[04:48] <GPLnerdthereveng> ReL1K_: Yeah, couple people having sound probs this morning.
[04:48] <GPLnerdthereveng> U r not alone.
[04:50] <ReL1K_> thnx :)
[04:53] <pwuertz> do you remember the black 1px thin border and the shadow that was generated for each thumbnail in nautilus?
[04:53] <pwuertz> image or pdf previews for example
[04:54] <pwuertz> after upgrading a few days ago, they are gone
[04:56] <branstrom> Is there anyone else having problems with compiz fusion today?
[04:56] <pwuertz> is this the new intended style? is there an option to activate the old style again?
[04:56] <IntuitiveNipple> branstrom: Bug #141130
[04:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141130 in compiz "compiz stop working after 17-Sept-2007 updates" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141130
[04:57] <ShackJack> branstrom: On my nvidia setup yes, not on ati setup (ironically)... quites complaining something about a texture size..
[04:57] <branstrom> sudo sed -i 's/GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE/g' /usr/bin/compiz
[04:57] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[04:57] <branstrom> is apparently a working solution
[04:57] <branstrom> I'mma try it
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> if you've got that problem
[04:59] <ShackJack>  HI all - nautilus is not auto-mounting USB pen drives... I plug in and the device shows in /deb/sdb and lsusb list the device, but it doesn't show in my computer or on the desktop - any ideas ?
[04:59] <branstrom> Working now.
[05:02] <branstrom> Thanks IntuitiveNipple. (You a Git fan by any chance? :p) I should check the bug lists more often...
[05:04] <ReL1K> has the sound issues been listed as a bug yet?
[05:09] <buz> is there some way to define the laptop lcd as primary screen when you use Virtual to force bigger buffer to allow dual head?
[05:09] <buz> right now it seems the external screen is the primary which is sort of a problem on the road ;)
[05:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Would placement affect that?
[05:09] <buz> not sure
[05:10] <buz> i cant find decent docs for the new intel driver
[05:10] <buz> with recent nvidia ones you could set it in xorg.conf
[05:10] <buz> oh this may help
[05:10] <buz> Option "MonitorLayout" "anystr"
[05:11] <buz> or maybe Option "FlipPrimary" "boolean"
[05:11] <buz> finally did find some docs ;)
[05:16] <ReL1K> anyones sound working after the updates? :P trying to find a fix
[05:19] <IntuitiveNipple> which update specifically?
[05:20] <ccooke> Hmm
[05:20] <ccooke> Compiz claims I don't have xgl since this morning
[05:20] <Secher> I tried to format a partition containing windows, and make a partition ubuntu could use, it seemed to work, but now i cant use the drive, and the partition manager says the partitions are overlapping..
[05:22] <IntuitiveNipple> ccooke: Bug #141130
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141130 in compiz "compiz stop working after 17-Sept-2007 updates" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141130
[05:22] <slanning> ReL1K: I found my sound apparently disappeared a couple weeks ago I think - what did I do then, I forget :) it was some configuration that had been reset, though, I think
[05:23] <ccooke> hum
[05:23] <ccooke> How did I miss that?
[05:23] <slanning> you lost your omniscience powers
[05:23] <ccooke> What? Nooo! I paid good money for those!
[05:24] <IntuitiveNipple> ReL1K: Have you checked if sound is being fed to the headphones instead?
[05:29] <bullgard4> predaeus: What should I check there? Is there something wrong?
[05:31] <leks> Can I somehow build a ext4 module for Gutsy?
[05:32] <bullgard4> predaeus: predaeus No, I have not grasped the meaning of this message although I know several International Telecommunication Union's definitions of 'upstrem'.
[05:32] <leks> because I got my /home ext4ified
[05:32] <bullgard4> English help wanted: What does 'upstream' mean in the message: "Given the information that I've acquired from your efforts, I've decided that the ACPI I2C problems that you are having will not get fixed for this release. The ACPI subsystem has undergone serious architectural changes upstream. Hopefully a future release will fix these problems."
[05:32] <Lynoure> bullgard4: where is the message from?
[05:33] <slanning> means the actual developers, not just the packager
[05:33] <ReL1K> IntuitiveNipple: was working fine before updates, ill double check
[05:33] <ReL1K> not sure which update, just updated last night or this morning and noticed sound wasn't working
[05:33] <bullgard4> Lynoure: From Launchpad.
[05:34] <slanning> so like imagine the source code is flowing down a stream (river).... it starts at a source (the project developers), flows by the packagers, then eventually goes over a waterfall and lands on the users
[05:34] <slanning> or can also be libraries that the project depends on
[05:34] <ReL1K> IntuitiveNipple: not going to the headphones, plugged it in to check, nada...
[05:34] <Lynoure> acpi i2c problems will not be fixed for gutsy? That's sad.
[05:37] <leks> am  I the only one thinking ext4 is not unstable?
[05:37] <leks> :-D
[05:38] <Lynoure> leks: You are free to think so, and to report bugs :)
[05:39] <Lynoure> I cheer on the people on the bleeding edge, as the save countless hours of misery for the rest
[05:39] <minimec> ReL1K: Try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-utils
[05:40] <minimec> ReL1K: ... and don't forget to adjust the volumes...
[05:41] <slanning> in fact that reminds me, I also found that the volumes for applications is no longer in sync with the volume applet setting
[05:43] <minimec> slanning: couldn't it be, that you have a hardware mixing soundcard?
[05:44] <slanning> I dunno - just before whenever I changed the volume applet, applications (like firefox videos) would change their volume
[05:44] <ReL1K> minimec, did a reconfigure on alsa, nada
[05:45] <minimec> slanning: You will have that effect with the Master Volume ...
[05:45] <ReL1K> ok fixed sound
[05:46] <ReL1K> had to hit the volume up and down physically on the laptop, and not on my volume adjusters on the keyboard
[05:46] <slanning> oh, so in volume control preferences, I have to select Master then, I take it
[05:46] <ReL1K> weird, worked fine for the past couple weeks *shrug*
[05:46] <ReL1K> i do feel like an idiot btw :)
[05:46] <slanning> ah, exactly ReL1K - that's how I fixed it, I remember now! :) I touched the volume control on the laptop
[05:46] <ReL1K> hehe weird
[05:47] <minimec> ReL1K: I also had the headphone problem with (as described before) with a new HP-Laptop... That was a bug that has been fixed now. So I can't help you.
[05:47] <slanning> maybe this controls the "Master"
[05:47] <slanning> whereas the setting in the volume control had been set to another thing
[05:47] <minimec> ReL1K: ;)
[05:47] <ReL1K> hehe
[05:48] <ReL1K> who knows
[05:48] <ReL1K> works now :)
[05:48] <slanning> minimec: it's true, setting the selected device to Master in volume control changes the sound correctly again (I tested with Moonlander :)
[05:49] <ReL1K> anyone know about the issue where compiz only shows two desktops and not the 4 when you have "no affects" on?
[05:49] <ReL1K> can't do the 3d cube
[05:49] <ReL1K> :P
[05:49] <ReL1K> can only do two desktop view
[05:50] <slanning> oh, another problem I've had for a few weeks - I no longer have an option for wireless network connection
[05:50] <minimec> slanning: Normally the Laptop Volume Buttons are set to Master Volume too...
[05:50] <slanning> I searched around, but I don't see a configuration to add it back
[05:51] <ReL1K> slanning does your wireless connection show up under iwconfig?
[05:51] <ReL1K> can always just do iwconfig wifi0 essid blah key:
[05:51] <ReL1K> or whatever
[05:51] <slanning> right, no it doesn't - I think I saw that mentioned in a forum somewhere
[05:52] <slanning> just lo and eth0
[05:52] <minimec> slanning: what card do you have?
[05:52] <ReL1K> then your wireless card isn't being detected during initial boot....
[05:52] <ReL1K> might need to use hostap or install the linux drivers for it
[05:54] <minimec> slanning: ndiswrapper-wrapper could be your friend...
[05:54] <minimec> slanning: ndiswrapper-common ...
[05:54] <slanning> was working before, though - hmm
[05:55] <gridl0ck> hey
[05:55] <minimec> slanning: you mean on feisty?
[05:55] <slanning> ReL1K: I think it's PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connector, Intel Corporation
[05:55] <ReL1K> slanning: what type of machine you got? the intel pro's should work fine
[05:56] <slanning> hmm, I think also on gutsy, if I recall correctly - I remember trying to simply "disable" wireless networking from automatically appearing, but then it seemed to totally go away - so probably it's my fault :/
[05:56] <gridl0ck> were there any changes to network or drivers in the last 24 hours for gutsy?
[05:56] <gridl0ck> all of a sudden my network is hiccup'g
[05:57] <ReL1K> gridl0ck: noticed the same thing
[05:57] <gridl0ck> ok
[05:57] <slanning> ReL1K: machine is HP Pavilion laptop... oh crap guys, wait
[05:57] <ReL1K> had to dhclient br0 a few times
[05:57] <ReL1K> to get it stable
[05:57] <ReL1K> slanning: let me guess you didnt have your button clicked to the right to turn it on? :)
[05:57] <slanning> omg I'm so embarrassed, there is a switch in front that says "Wireless" - this switch was apparently...not set in the rigth side
[05:58] <minimec> slanning: ... but a nice wireless card in it ;)
[05:58] <slanning> exactly - damnit, hahaha
[05:58] <gridl0ck> i'm using a broadcom nic if that helps ... 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[05:58] <ReL1K> rofl, that was gonna be my next question :P
[05:58] <gridl0ck> (:
[05:58] <gridl0ck> Dell inspiron laptop (17")
[05:58] <slanning> you can tell I don't use wireless very much anyway  :o
[05:59] <ReL1K> gridl0ck: im using intel network controller
[05:59] <ReL1K> so consistent through two different hardware types
[05:59] <ReL1K> what type of network stuff you seeing?
[05:59] <gridl0ck> takes at least 43 seconds for network to kick in ... ie. firefox web page to come up - apt-get update to start
[05:59] <gridl0ck> etc
[06:00] <IntuitiveNipple> sounds like DNS resolving
[06:00] <gridl0ck> everything is almost delayed all of a sudden
[06:00] <gridl0ck> IntuitiveNipple, doubt it
[06:00] <minimec> slanning: My mother phoned me once and was not at all amused about that crappy Linux I installed her... ;) It was that wireless Button that was in the rong position... Happens to everyone ;)
[06:00] <GlasstuX> hi @ all
[06:01] <gridl0ck> if it was dns i would know IntuitiveNipple
[06:01] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: do you get the same problem accessing a site using it's IP address, rather than a domain name?
[06:01] <GlasstuX> could somebody who did not change the fonts send me the whole content of his /etc/fonts?
[06:01] <gridl0ck> let me try ... sec
[06:01] <GlasstuX> making a tar.gz or so
[06:01] <IntuitiveNipple> GlasstuX: why? can't you just downgrade?
[06:01] <GlasstuX> i need it for my gutsy
[06:02] <IntuitiveNipple> I assume you're trying to revert the latest font updates?
[06:02] <GlasstuX> IntuitiveNipple: i have replaced the files with others (from a style package)
[06:02] <sooth> Is Gutsy in beta freeze now?
[06:02] <gridl0ck> IntuitiveNipple, not as delayed - but probably 21 second delay using the ip
[06:02] <GlasstuX> i need the original /etc/fonts content for gutsy
[06:03] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: try a tracepath to a major site, both with and without the "-n" option, see where the hold-up is
[06:03] <gridl0ck> btw, i changed the dns this morning thinking it was DNS - on the dhcp scope - it didn't fix the prob
[06:04] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: Are you on wired or wireless?
[06:04] <gridl0ck> wired
[06:04] <minimec> gridl0ck: That remindes me of something... I had that years ago. Could't that be a MTU problem?
[06:04] <gridl0ck> just changed to another dns - let me try something - and i think i'll be eating my words - seems dns is the issue (:
[06:04] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... and does /etc/resolv.conf show the expected nameserver(s) ?
[06:05] <gridl0ck> sorry - new DNS addys work - i'll go back in the corner
[06:05] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[06:05] <IntuitiveNipple> be glad it was easy to fix!
[06:06] <gridl0ck> pita it is ... something so simple (:
[06:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm trying to make a tree-worth of Damson jam... it's a mess if it gets on the keyboard :p
[06:06] <GlasstuX> has somebody else problems with the nvidia-glx-latest driver? it is not working since todays updates!
[06:06] <GlasstuX> any solution with downgrading or so?
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: I have a saying: all bugs eventually come down to one thing - a single bit is either set that should be reset, or reset and should be set :)
[06:07] <gridl0ck> glad you can remember that saying - i'd screwed that up for sure (:
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> GlasstuX: I've got all updates with 64-bit and nvidia-glx-new and compiz with no problems
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[06:07] <GlasstuX> IntuitiveNipple: it is 32 bit
[06:07] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: When you've chased as many bugs down as I have, it becomes inevitable :)
[06:08] <GlasstuX> not working...
[06:08] <IntuitiveNipple> GlasstuX: I doubt the -bitness would make a major problem, but what is the specific error?
[06:08] <gridl0ck> scary thought - glad i have life down simpler (:
[06:08] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: yeah... hence my tonic of making Jam today !
[06:09] <gridl0ck> as in the fruit kind you spread on bread, right? i've been wrong before (see above)  (:
[06:10] <IntuitiveNipple> gridl0ck: Yes, from the tree's in the orchard... adding some apple to the last batch, for variety... the only bugs in Jam-making is when you miss a seed/stone
[06:10] <gridl0ck> ah- we can live with that - i'm sure we've all eaten some sort of bug or sand or stuff from the sandbox as kids
[06:11] <gridl0ck> sounds like an interesting hobby ... ok i should stay away from off topics - going to get scolded soon (:
[06:11] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[06:11] <IntuitiveNipple> what the heck - there's no bugs business atm !
[06:14] <gridl0ck> btw, thanks for the help - (:
[06:26] <MikeB> anyone else getting this message: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[06:29] <IntuitiveNipple> MikeB: Yes, it's a by-product of gnome-session removing internal dependency on esd
[06:31] <MikeB> IntuitiveNipple, thanks
[06:32] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason that whenever I try to edit the xorg.conf in a live session ( running daily CD from two days ago ) I get an error that it has been modified since opening it, but a diff shows no changes?
[06:32] <Jordan_U> ( using vim )
[06:41] <RxDx> will gutsy beta release today?
[06:42] <slackern> RxDx: releaseschedule in topic says Sep 27 for beta release
[06:42] <leperkhanz> damn, same day as the new Office! :D
[06:44] <RxDx> slackern, Sep 20, Rebuild Test
[06:45] <RxDx> does it means something?
[06:47] <mroc> hello.  this morning's round of updates killed my compiz.  nvidia-glx, geforce4 440 go.   relevant output from "compiz --replace" seems to be "Comparing resolution (1600x1200) to maximum 3D texture size (64): Failed."  also says "checking for xgl: not present", but i think it always said that.  anyone else report this?
[06:48] <slackern> RxDx: not sure what it means maybe they try to build everything into a usable image to see that it still works or something
[06:48] <IntuitiveNipple> mroc: check Bug #141130
[06:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141130 in compiz "compiz stop working after 17-Sept-2007 updates" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141130
[06:49] <mroc> IntuitiveNipple: thanks, i'll check it out.  as a side note, i'm not sure how to search for something like this and get relevant results (i.e. - not tons of old fixed unrelated compiz problems).  suggestions?
[06:49] <mroc> i don't want to keep bugging people in this channel for help if i can search on my own.  i'm sure you guys have better things to do than answer the same question over and over.
[06:50] <IntuitiveNipple> mroc: I usually do an advanced search (in launchpad), sort by newest first, show invalids, fixed, etc, and at the bottom of the page, enable show duplicates
[06:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I find it annoying that a default search doesn't check FIXED
[06:50] <mroc> IntuitiveNipple: thank you!  hopefully that'll help me solve my own problems more often.
[07:01] <ac1> hi. i have a problem with my touchpad since last update of the packages. somebody has a solution or know what has changed in xorg-input-wacom?! iam using gutsy.
[07:01] <SlimG2> Is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver replaced by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in Gutsy? so I won't need to install the 915resolution package to fix the resolution problem
[07:02] <aburhite> is there issues with dualhead and gusty?
[07:05] <ShackJack> HI all - I'm trying in stall the older -10 kernel off of the Gutsy disc (have -11 and have since cleared it out)... I ran the apt-cd but don't see the packages in synaptic - any ideas?
[07:07] <cromo> hi. I dist-upgraded from perfectly working feisty to gutsy and now experience weird hang ups. It will hang up after about 10 minutes after logging in from gdm, but it can't work for hours under console (like now) without problems.
[07:07] <cromo> sys-rq keys seems to work sometimes, sometimes they don't
[07:08] <cromo> the mouse works, I can move the cursor but can't click on anything. it kinda looks like scheduler issue
[07:08] <cromo> these lockups happened for bopt .192 and .193 radeon driver. I am testing the vesa drier now just in case
[07:10] <jsomers> I've been unable to upgrade ubuntu the last three days due to a libc problem. Is there any fix for that?
[07:12] <VousDeux> you may need to boot to console only (no gui) and run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:12] <VousDeux> gotta run, gl
[07:15] <jsomers> that doesn't really help
[07:15] <jsomers> it breaks, saying something about unmet dependencies and I should use the command apt-get install -f
[07:15] <IntuitiveNipple> jsomers: is bug #140739 the culprit? If so, do "sudo apt-get install dpkg" and that *should* solve it
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[07:15] <aslan_home> Hey guys.
[07:16] <jsomers> IntuitiveNipple: I cannot even do that
[07:16] <aslan_home> Does anyone know of an application that will display pictures in a directory ?
[07:16] <jsomers> if I use dpkg or apt-get it sais I should run apt-get install -f
[07:16] <aslan_home> and cycle through them
[07:16] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[07:16] <jsomers> but if I do that I get a segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> jsomers: can you locate a bug report that describes it?
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> jsomers: the segfault is caused by the bug I pointed you to :p
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> jsomers: sounds like you're in a catch-22 situation
[07:17] <rpw> I'm running gutsy on a imac cd and was using the fglrx drivers with compiz. I was a happy camper 12 hours ago. then I updated and everything broke :(
[07:18] <rpw> right now I can't even get the vesa drivers to work properly.
[07:18] <rpw> hi y'all, btw :)
[07:18] <SlimG2> Is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver replaced by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in Gutsy? so I won't need to install the 915resolution package to fix the resolution problem
[07:19] <rpw> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server tells me that discover doesn't detect my graphics hardware...
[07:20] <rpw> broken as in "black screen with random pixels". no textmode console when I press ctrl-alt-fn, but when blindtyping I can at least cleanly restart the box.
[07:23] <rpw> is this a known issue?
[07:23] <gourdin> I got a feisty system without network
[07:23] <gourdin> can I upgrade the system with the gutsy dvd without loosing my datas ?
[07:28] <aburhite> i can't get this dual head to work at all, it keeps on cloning, and i have tried several ways
[07:29] <jsomers> IntuitiveNipple: thanks, that pointed me into the right direction
[07:29] <jsomers> I think it's fixed now, updating seems to work again
[07:39] <ShackJack> gourdin - if you have you home partitioned off in a separate partition, yes... All settings, etc are there..
[07:40] <gourdin> I found an nice howto, I need 30G :) : http://www.howtoforge.com/dvd_images_of_ubuntu_repositories
[08:01] <SlimG2> Is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver replaced by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in Gutsy? so I won't need to install the 915resolution package to fix the resolution problem
[08:07] <winbond> how can i find out where java installed, when i do "whereis java6-jre" it only returns "java6-jre:
[08:10] <Pici> winbond: which java
[08:10] <winbond> Pici, sun java
[08:10] <Pici> winbond: no, the command is `which java`
[08:11] <No1Viking> /usr/bin/java
[08:11] <No1Viking> Pici, my java aint working, the applications does not start
[08:12] <Pici> winbond: or dpkg -L sun-java6-jre (or whatever the package name is)
[08:12] <No1Viking> I have Sun Java 6 installed
[08:12] <minimec> winbond: /usr/lib/jvm ...
[08:13] <winbond> minimec, yup, need to go through like 3 links to find it
[08:13] <No1Viking> Any idea how to solve it?
[08:13] <magical_trevsky> hi, what's the kubuntu equivalent of this channel? (or is this for all gutsy versions?)
[08:13] <winbond> Pici, thanks, i can trace the links from which java, and iventualkly find the real dir
[08:14] <Pici> magical_trevsky: This is it
[08:14] <winbond> magical_trevsky, this is all in one
[08:14] <magical_trevsky> ah, cool. thanks
[08:16] <No1Viking> No help?
[08:18] <minimec> No1Viking: install sun java 6 . works great here, but you have to copy the java-plugin manually in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[08:19] <No1Viking> minimec, the problem fr me is tha applications, they dont start for some kind of reason.
[08:20] <No1Viking> And yes, I have Sun Java 6 installed
[08:20] <minimec> No1Viking: If you start them in a console... Do you get an error message?
[08:20] <No1Viking> Will check
[08:21] <No1Viking> minimec, This is what I get from one of the apps: You seem to be running GNU's Java implementation, which is incomplete.
[08:21] <No1Viking> Jin requires Sun's Java (or a fully compatible version) 1.4 or later.
[08:22] <No1Viking> I have Sun Java 6 installed
[08:23] <minimec> No1Viking: Ubuntu istalls the gnu version by default... But I didnt' delete it and my java is going fine... Hmmm
[08:24] <No1Viking> I have to check what java that is used by default. I installed this machine yesterday from a Tribe 5 CD and did all the updates
[08:25] <minimec> No1Viking: sudo update-alternatives --config java ;)
[08:25] <minimec> No1Viking: I forgot that ;)
[08:25] <No1Viking> Ahhhh.... I did sr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java and found that it uses /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java as default
[08:26] <No1Viking> Ahhhh.... it uses /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java as default
[08:26] <No1Viking> Thanks anyway, minimec
[08:26] <minimec> No1Viking: sudo update-alternatives --config java ;)
[08:26] <minimec> that's what you want
[08:27] <No1Viking> Yup, I did
[08:27] <No1Viking> :)
[08:27] <No1Viking> Thanks
[08:27] <minimec> np
[08:27] <No1Viking> It works!!  ;)
[08:31] <Richi1> Hi, I have a big problem with my sound on gutsy. Whenever the slider for the master is maxed in the alsa mixer, it uses 100% cpu when playing sound
[08:44] <winbond> i cant start azureus, can someone tell me what this"bash: ./azureus: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" means?
[08:46] <geser> winbond: the file has dos line endings (the ^M)
[08:48] <SlimG2> Is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver replaced by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in Gutsy? so I won't need to install the 915resolution package to fix the resolution problem
[08:49] <winbond> geser, what endings are dos ending and can i change them?
[08:53] <winbond> anyone has lag problems with irc?  i think the driver for my lancard is messed up
[08:54] <ibbuntu> hi, my wireless connection has suddenly disappeared, has been working fine since tribe3, and still works in Feisty. I just restarted into Gutsy and wireless is gone.
[09:01] <winbond> xxx
[09:01] <leks> Anyone using ext4
[09:02] <winbond> ibbuntu, ive seen a bug that some wireless dont work with 22-11 kernel
[09:02] <leks> i need it compiled as a module
[09:03] <leks> anyone aware of how to do?
[09:03] <winbond> ibbuntu, just downgrade the kernel
[09:03] <winbond> !ext4
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:05] <leks> hm
[09:05] <leks> so no idea?
[09:08] <lnx_> when kubuntu gusty "stable" will be released ?
[09:09] <avatar_> lnx_: kde4 release is scheduled for 11th december
[09:09] <leks> lnx_ why dont u use google?
[09:09] <avatar_> lnx_: don't if kubuntu is waiting for that one
[09:11] <lnx_> im aksing about gusty not about kde 4 .. . ?
[09:14] <winbond> geser, r u here?
[09:14] <Brucevdk> Basically there are only a couple of ways to get the latest versions of certain applications, 1) build from source (using checkinstall or standard Debian tools to create the package, won't be as nice as the actual maintainers do) 2) grab them from an unofficial repository, not always a good idea 3) upgrade to Gutsy but face bugs in other packages/libraries whatever. Right?
[09:15] <geser> winbond: dos and unix have different codings for how an line ends
[09:16] <winbond> geser, but i downloaded the azureus linux package, does it mean it was compiled wrong?
[09:16] <ibbunt1> winbond: Thanks for that, downgrading the kernel worked
[09:18] <geser> winbond: no
[09:18] <phaidros> hi, ok switched to gutsy now :)
[09:18] <geser> winbond: if you open the script with an editor and it displays those ^M simply delete them (not all editor show them)
[09:19] <winbond> ibbunt1, np
[09:19] <winbond> geser, k thank you , will check it out
[09:22] <phaidros> I expected the radeon driver fully 3d supporting rv350 in gutsy. anybody can confirm this?
[09:22] <phaidros> which xorg version is 1.3 ? is it 7.3 ?
[09:25] <strabes> what happened to the default ubuntu wallpaper with today's upgrade??
[09:25] <ConstyXIV> strabes: new wallpaper
[09:25] <strabes> i found it again in /usr/share/backgrounds, but why did it change???
[09:26] <strabes> yeah, it's dark brown :(
[09:26] <strabes> i have to say i'm not a fan
[09:27] <leks> Do i need kernel headers to compile a "ubuntu" kernel
[09:27] <leks> ?
[09:30] <pwnguin> you'll need more than headers
[09:30] <phaidros> build-essentials e.g. :)
[09:30] <pwnguin> and the source
[09:30] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason that whenever I try to edit the xorg.conf in a live session ( running daily CD from two days ago ) I get an error that it has been modified since opening it ( from vim ) , but a diff shows no changes?
[09:33] <winbond> is there a way to compare 2 documents with kate?
[09:34] <jetsaredim> who do I contact about getting a package re-built for gutsy?
[09:35] <winbond> jetsaredim, package meinteiner
[09:35] <winbond> i think
[09:35] <jetsaredim> how do I find out who that is?
[09:35] <jetsaredim> err
[09:35] <winbond> jetsaredim, should be an email in the package description or about page
[09:36] <jetsaredim> winbond: just says kernel team
[09:37] <winbond> jetsaredim, if u use adept or synaptic, and click a package, there should be contact info
[09:38] <jetsaredim> unfortunately not, just says ubuntu kernel team
[09:38] <jetsaredim> the package in question is vmware-server-kernel-modules
[09:43] <RichardHunt> Trying to run 'compiz --replace' I get this error message: Comparing resolution (1024x768) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[09:43] <winbond> jetsaredim, just file a bug and say why is should be rebuilt
[09:43] <RichardHunt> Seems to have started today. After I installed updates?
[09:56] <CountX> how can i get a bcm43xx based wireless chip working on gutsy?
[09:56] <CountX> as painlessly as possible?
[09:57] <nosrednaekim> use the restricted-manager :)
[09:57] <CountX> it asks for a driver and i dont know what driver i need
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> oh...
[09:58] <CountX> nosrednaekim: use a local file/download from the internet
[09:58] <CountX> thats what it asks
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> is that for the firmware?
[09:59] <CountX> yea
[09:59] <CountX> i dont know where to get that
[09:59] <CountX> HP doesnt provide support for linux
[09:59] <CountX> they told me....
[10:00] <CountX> i told the nice lady on the phone to get laid
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> CountX: might be easier just to use NDISwrapper with the windows driver
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> its not her fault.
[10:01] <CountX> nosrednaekim: innorite
[10:01] <CountX> nosrednaekim: doesnt ubuntu support bcm43xx?
[10:01] <CountX> nosrednaekim: cause i have no idea what ur talking about
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah... there is a fiesty tutorial for it..
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> ndiswrapper uses windows drivers...
[10:02] <CountX> nosrednaekim: i really dont mind how it gets done, but i dont know what ndiswrapper is
[10:02] <CountX> nosrednaekim: i do however know what the restricted-manager is
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper
[10:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:02] <CountX> nosrednaekim: i just apparently need to get a firmware
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> I thankfully am not cursed with a broadcom
[10:03] <CountX> nosrednaekim: i didnt build the laptop
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> eh... but you bought it ;)
[10:04] <CountX> nosrednaekim: otherwise i would care, i would make it a sweet laptop, but then again it would be like a foot thick and need a suitcase to be lugged around, so it really wouldnt be a laptop, just a portable computer....
[10:05] <CountX> nosrednaekim: point is, i wouldnt choose broadcom if i had a choice
[10:05] <CountX> nosrednaekim: i would choose Killer
[10:05] <Jordan_U> Is there a reason that whenever I try to edit the xorg.conf in a live session ( running daily CD from two days ago ) I get an error that it has been modified since opening it ( from vim ) , but a diff shows no changes?
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> my point is you did have a choice since you bought the computer without researching the wireless card. But Thats a rather mute point as you are stuck with it now ;)
[10:05] <CountX> Jordan_U: do you want me to act like i know what ur sauing?
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> Jordan_U: maybe its Displayconfig-gtk... i'm not sure how that works
[10:06] <CountX> nosrednaekim: not really, its a refurb and i got it for the proc and video card, it was a steal
[10:06] <Jordan_U> CountX, No, I'll just wait and hope someone else does :)
[10:06] <CountX> nosrednaekim: like, i didnt steal it, but its cheap nontheless
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> heh
[10:07] <Jordan_U> CountX, What is the exact chipset? bcm43xx ( what is the xx ? )
[10:07] <CountX> 2.02ghz dual core, 256mb nvidia 7600, for 900$
[10:07] <CountX> Jordan_U: i unno
[10:07] <CountX> Jordan_U: how would i find out?
[10:07] <Jordan_U> CountX, That is why I have a laptop with an ATI card :)
[10:07] <CountX> Jordan_U: you got a better deal?
[10:08] <CountX> Jordan_U: wha brand?
[10:08] <Jordan_U> CountX, System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information, or lspci
[10:08] <Jordan_U> CountX, Better deal being free from Apple :)
[10:08] <CountX> Jordan_U: i'll use the terminal so i can get used to it
[10:08] <CountX> Intel or PPC?
[10:09] <CountX> Jordan_U: 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
[10:10] <Jordan_U> CountX, Intel, macbook pro
[10:10] <CountX> Jordan_U: damn j00
[10:10] <CountX> Jordan_U: i work with this chick who got a free iPhone just for working at Apple
[10:11] <CountX> Jordan_U: aww, dude i gotta brb, help me when i get back?
[10:11] <Jordan_U> CountX, Sure, ~ how long?
[10:11] <CountX> Jordan_U: its like dead here normally
[10:11] <CountX> Jordan_U: 3 mins
[10:11] <Jordan_U> sure
[10:17] <CountX> ok ok
[10:17] <CountX> Jordan_U: you there?
[10:18] <CountX> i have like a bunch of people calling me
[10:18] <CountX> its my birthday, so like, people feel like they need to call me and remind me
[10:19] <Jordan_U> CountX, Yes, so you know that you just need the firmware, the package to get it is bcm43xx-fwcutter, but Gutsy is supposed to do something with broadcom card in Restricted Manager so please try that first since I am curious :)
[10:21] <winbond> is there a way to compare 2 documents with kate?
[10:21] <CountX> Jordan_U: ya the restricted-manager asks for a firmware
[10:21] <CountX> either online or local file
[10:21] <Jordan_U> CountX, Does Online ask you for a URL or does it just grab it automatically?
[10:22] <CountX> it has one there, but it doesnt look like the right one, but yes its a url slot
[10:22] <Jordan_U> CountX, And if you don't mind a screenshot ( sorry, again, just curious :)
[10:23] <Jordan_U> CountX, So it has a URL by default and you can enter your own if you want? Or is there just a blank URL box?
[10:23] <CountX> ok ok, thats like ctrl+prnt screen to take a window snapshot?
[10:23] <CountX> Jordan_U: it has a url in there already
[10:24] <CountX> Jordan_U: but it defaults to local file
[10:24] <Jordan_U> CountX, Probably because they realized that asking someone to go online for a file might piss them off if the only way they can connect is via wireless :)
[10:25] <CountX> lol
[10:25] <CountX> yeah
[10:26] <Jordan_U> CountX, I don't have a printscreen key so I don't know :) but you can get to it by Applications -> Accessories either way
[10:26] <CountX> Jordan_U: its function>prt sc on my  laptop
[10:27] <_CitizenKane_> hi all, how can i stop strigi from beginning on startup in kubuntu?
[10:28] <CountX> Jordan_U: http://marcels.pure-wrath.com/Screenshot.png
[10:29] <CountX> my name is Marcel BTW
[10:30] <CountX> Jordan_U: you there?
[10:30] <Jordan_U> CountX, Awesome, If you are connected to the net try it
[10:30] <Jordan_U> CountX, No
[10:30] <CountX> lol
[10:31] <CountX> the light is still red
[10:31] <CountX> on my laptop, it has a wifi switch with a light
[10:32] <CountX> Jordan_U: how can i check and see if it works?
[10:33] <Jordan_U> CountX, Try connecting to a wireless network?
[10:35] <doug__> where do i get the gutsy download at?
[10:36] <rbanffy> Hi folks. All icons of my OpenOffice are missing - text equivalents are in their place. Has anyone experienced something like it?
[10:38] <rbanffy> It looks like it is prepared for a screen reader. Either that or the text is a fall-back method if the icons go bad/missing.
[10:39] <Guest009> ok ok
[10:39] <Guest009> i broke the internet
[10:39] <Guest009> ok my laptop
[10:39] <Guest009> Jordan_U: this is CountX on a different computer
[10:40] <rbanffy> Guest009: OK. You win. I must have broken something in OpenOffice, but at least I am able to go on-line.
[10:40] <Guest009> rbanffy: that still sucks you broke openoffice
[10:40] <Guest009> rbanffy: i mean, at least i still can open .doc :P
[10:41] <Guest009> !ghost
[10:41] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[10:41] <Guest009> i win
[10:41] <rbanffy> I can open them. Just all icons in toolbars, menus and such are missing.
[10:42] <rbanffy> Whatever happened, just made OOo suck a little bit more ;-)
[10:42] <CountX> i am now +e, what ever that is
[10:42] <CountX> !+e
[10:42] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[10:42] <CountX> no no no
[10:42] <CountX> stupid ubotu :P
[10:43] <Jordan_U> CountX, So what happened with the firmware? Did it download? Is wireless now working?
[10:43] <CountX> Jordan_U: no internet works now
[10:43] <CountX> Jordan_U: the little icon in the top for the network went away and i cant uset he internet in any way now
[10:43] <Jordan_U> CountX, wireless internet?
[10:43] <j4ne> hi. i cannot get dri work with ubuntu gutsy ... i reading /var/log/Xorg.1.log and i found this --> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch, [dri]  radeon.o kernel module version is 8.37.6 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed. anyone can help me ?
[10:44] <CountX> Jordan_U: none
[10:44] <CountX> Jordan_U: no wireless or wired
[10:44] <Jordan_U> CountX, Try running "nm-applet"
[10:45] <CountX> Jordan_U: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[10:45] <CountX> Jordan_U: and no icon still
[10:45] <Jordan_U> CountX, not good
[10:45] <CountX> Jordan_U: ya it sounds ominous
[10:46] <CountX> Jordan_U: what i f*** up now?
[10:47] <Jordan_U> CountX, Oddly enough something to do with sound
[10:47] <Jordan_U> CountX, Try System -> Administration -> Networking
[10:47] <CountX> Jordan_U: wtf?
[10:48] <CountX> Jordan_U ok
[10:48] <Jordan_U> CountX, and what is the output of "ls /usr/bin/esd" ?
[10:49] <CountX> no such file or directory
[10:49] <CountX> that really doesnt sound good...
[10:49] <Jordan_U> CountX, Do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[10:49] <CyD_> ndiswrapper doesnt work anymore :(
[10:50] <gnomefreak> if n-m isnt working (its important to file a bug at this point, the maintainer doesnt hang out in this channel and this is something he needs to know if it started in last day or 2 sincee he just fixed a few other issues and they might have caused other issues to  surface.
[10:51] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, I am trying to figure out weather it is in fact a problem with nm, since he does not in fact have a /usr/bin/esd
[10:51] <gnomefreak> and iirc he was worried about the ifup update more than the n-m one but still run hand in hand
[10:51] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, I believe he should, no?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> esd is sound
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what does sound have to do with n-m?
[10:51] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, I know, enlightened sound daemon
[10:51] <kurros> esd was removed a while ago...
[10:52] <j4ne> no radeon expert alive ?
[10:52] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found is the error he gets when he tries to start nm
[10:52] <gnomefreak> that is a n-m issue if esd in fact was removed
[10:52] <kurros> it's not a fatal error to nm-applet, just gnome's sound events error
[10:52] <gnomefreak> but i dont see why n-m would look for esd at all
[10:53] <Jordan_U> kurros, gnomefreak So either way it is in fact an nm error
[10:53] <gnomefreak> seems that is 2 differnt issues IMHO
[10:53] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: if esd was removed and n-m is looking for it yes
[10:53] <kurros> Jordan_U: no, any gnome program you start from terminal will say that esd error
[10:53] <gnomefreak> im not sure if esd was removed i heard roumors but never looked
[10:54] <gnomefreak> kurros: the 2.20 fixed most of that
[10:54] <gnomefreak> afaik
[10:54] <kurros> if sound events are turned on
[10:54] <Jordan_U> kurros, gnomefreak What I should have said is that either way *there* is an nm bug, there may or may not also be another bug having to do with esd
[10:55] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: if kurros is right (im not sure about it ive been working on other things) than its a gnome ubuntu issue and file bug there they can work out if n-m needs to be changed along with other gnome apps but kurros does make sense
[10:55] <Jordan_U> CountX, Are you completely up to date?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ummmm
[10:56] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, But he said it should not be a fatal error, and nm-applet is not starting
[10:56] <gnomefreak> gstreamer0.10-esd tells me either bits and peices are there or esd is still in repos
[10:56] <kurros> i'm just saying the esd message isn't a fatal one. it's not nm-applet printing it to the console
[10:56] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: if n-m is looking for esd and it was removed it will be a fatal error
[10:57] <winbond> geser, hey, i opened the azureus  script in kate and open office but none of them show any ^M, in kate there is a tool which says line ending /unix, dos, mac , but it doesnt do anything,
[10:57] <gnomefreak> im still seeing parts of esd all over the place wo im gonna have to assume it wasnt removed from repos unless they are not done removing things
[10:57] <kurros> if he goes to the System->Perferences->Sound app and unchecks use esd on the sound tab the error will stop printing
[10:58] <gnomefreak> but that doesnt mean that n-m will work if its not n-m printing the error than its a gnome isseu but still shouldnt prevent n-m from working
[10:59] <kurros> correct, esd and n-m are unrelated
[10:59] <Vegar> is there an alternate ubuntu installer?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> 16:58 <            asac > gnomefreak: nm appears to crash when supplicant fails
[10:59] <gnomefreak> are you using wpasuppicant by chance?
[11:00] <CountX> dang
[11:00] <CountX> Jordan_U_?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> CountX: does it fail to start on reboot?
[11:01] <Jordan_U> CountX, Sorry, lost wireless for a minute
[11:01] <CountX> gnomefreak: im not sure
[11:01] <geser> winbond: does kate show which line editing is used?
[11:01] <CountX> i'll give a restart a go
[11:02] <gnomefreak> CountX: wait
[11:02] <gnomefreak> 17:00 <            asac > e.g. does nm crash after startup?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> 17:00 <            asac > and if you restart it by:
[11:02] <gnomefreak> 17:00 <            asac > /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart
[11:02] <gnomefreak> 17:00 <            asac > sudo /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart
[11:02] <gnomefreak> 17:00 <            asac > does it work well then?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> CountX: try running those commands and let me know if it works
[11:02] <gnomefreak> this si a common issue atm thats why i ask you test this
[11:03] <CountX> gnomefreak ok 1 sec
[11:03] <gnomefreak> CountX: ty
[11:04] <CountX> gnomefreak im glad to help its just that its my bday and like theres a bunch of people here and im getting phone calls ATM
[11:04] <Jordan_U> CountX, Happy Birthday :)
[11:04] <CountX> haha thanks
[11:04] <gnomefreak> happy birthday
[11:05] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, As extra information this happened ( I think immediately you'll have to ask ) after he used Restricted Manager to grab the firmware for his broadcom card
[11:05] <gnomefreak> sorry have 16 conversations at once here because im trying to walk out door but asac would really like to know if same issue as he has seen
[11:05] <gnomefreak> oh shit
[11:05] <gnomefreak> oops
[11:05] <gnomefreak> crap
[11:05] <gnomefreak> your kidding right?
[11:05] <Jordan_U> !gtfo | gnomefreak
[11:05] <ubotu> gnomefreak: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:05] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: ill kick myself later
[11:05] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, No, why?
[11:06] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, ;)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> thats not good if firmware is messed up
[11:06] <CountX> gnomefreak: yeah i used the restricted-manager to get bcm43xx firmware, then it crashed
[11:07] <Jordan_U> CountX, Can you pastebin the output of "ls /lib/firmware" ?
[11:07] <CountX> gnomefreak: and sudo /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart worked
[11:07] <gnomefreak> it did
[11:07] <CountX> gnomefreak: for wired yes
[11:08] <CountX> gnomefreak: i am going to try wireless in a sec
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:08] <CountX> gnomefreak: how would i search for a wireless network in range?
[11:08] <CountX> gnomefreak: im unfamiliar with it in linux
[11:09] <gnomefreak> im asking
[11:09] <Jordan_U> CountX, They should simply be listed in the drop down menu from the applet in the top right corner
[11:09] <CountX> gnomefreak: restricted-manager shows that the bcm43xx is in use
[11:09] <gnomefreak> CountX: i never learned that eaither :) but most likely in the n-m prefferrnces
[11:09] <gnomefreak> CountX: yes that isnt you issue
[11:09] <gnomefreak> your issue is the same as 90% of n-m issues in last 3 days
[11:09] <gnomefreak> since upgrade
[11:10] <gnomefreak> hes aware of it and been hacking at it (well after he fixes some locales for other packages
[11:10] <Jordan_U> CountX, Make sure that in System -> Administration -> Networking the wireless interface is set to "roaming mode"
[11:10] <gnomefreak> feeling
[11:10] <kurros> CountX: does iwconfig show anything (ESSID)
[11:10] <CountX> Jordan_U: roamin mode is enabled
[11:11] <gnomefreak> CountX: should be in n-m prefferneces
[11:11] <gnomefreak> cant remember what under though it should be noticalbe iirc
[11:11] <CountX> kurros: it shows my broadcom, but no networks, and its not connected so everything is idle
[11:11] <kurros> ConstyX: iwlist [interface]  scan will show a list of networks
[11:11] <kurros> eth1 or whatever
[11:11] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess it will work for wireless as well
[11:12] <gnomefreak> kurros: the issue is caused by wpasupplacant
[11:12] <CountX> kurros: no scan results, but i know of 2 wifi's that i can get on my windows partition in this exact spot
[11:12] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Maybe I have just been missing it, but I don't think nm-applet has any preferences per se
[11:12] <gnomefreak> just need to make sure for wireless
[11:13] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: not appletlet sorry in system>admin>networking
[11:13] <gnomefreak> or networking tools one of the 2
[11:13] <kurros> ah, i only have an open network here
[11:13] <kurros> interesting
[11:14] <Andy80> hi
[11:14] <CountX> so what, do i have to disable wired to get wireless
[11:14] <CountX> how does that whole thing work, cause i cant find any that i know are here
[11:14] <Jordan_U> CountX, No
[11:14] <CountX> Jordan_U: so its just broke?
[11:14] <Andy80> I've just installed libnss-ldap and I've entered the ldap setup information, but I cannot find any /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
[11:14] <Andy80> where is it?
[11:15] <Andy80> I also try to do: dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap, but nothing happens....
[11:15] <Andy80> is it a known bug?
[11:15] <Jordan_U> CountX, Do you see any wireless networks listed if you use System -> Preferences -> Networking ( ie uncheck roaming mode ) ?
[11:16] <CountX> Jordan_U: im not sure
[11:16] <CountX> Jordan_U: im not sure i quite understand
[11:17] <mirak> how do I use tracker and dump beagle ?
[11:17] <Jordan_U> CountX, Sorry, "network" not "networking"
[11:17] <mirak> how can I use tracker in nautilus ?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> mirak: applications>accessories>tracker search tool
[11:18] <CountX> Jordan_U: and what am i looking for?
[11:18] <kurros> mirak: if beagled is not running it will use trackerd
[11:19] <gnomefreak> dump beagle == apt-get remove --purge beagle if you no longer want it
[11:19] <Jordan_U> CountX, Double click your wireless interfance, uncheck roaming mode, and look in the ESSID drop down menu
[11:19] <CountX> Jordan_U: nothing
[11:20] <Jordan_U> CountX, :(
[11:20] <gnomefreak> nothing?
[11:20] <kurros> if iwlist isn't showing anything the network app wont
[11:20] <CountX> gnomefreak: its a blank menu for the ESSID
[11:20] <Jordan_U> CountX, Can you pastebin the output of "iwlist scanning"
[11:20] <gnomefreak> nothing would mean there are no wireless routers set up OR wpasupplacant is preventing you from being able to see it
[11:20] <CountX> kurros: i prefer the terminal, it looks more technical infront of people who own an MAC :P
[11:21] <gnomefreak> CountX: this is a mac?
[11:21] <CountX> i have a lot of MAC friends, i like to poke fun at them
[11:21] <CountX> gnomefreak: no its not, its free
[11:21] <gnomefreak> "G" or intell prc?
[11:21] <CountX> gnomefreak: huh
[11:21] <CountX> hey brb
[11:21] <gnomefreak> CountX: you have to be using wpasupplacant if the command worked
[11:21] <CountX> imma get on irssi on my laptop
[11:22] <gnomefreak> or restarting networ fixed it
[11:22] <slasher> hey, i just upgraded to gutsy and the new deskbar is terible, is there a way to fix it?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> that would be too easy
[11:22] <gnomefreak> slasher: define deskbar?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> you mean the panels?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> assuming its gnome
[11:22] <mirak> gnomefreak: tracker is damn slow to index
[11:22] <HenrikL> Hi, what is the "correct" way of switching what a /etc/alternatives entry points to ?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> mirak: yes i know
[11:22] <mirak> I am sure it was faster before
[11:22] <kurros> deskbar-applet, and no there is no way to "fix it", its the authors decision
[11:22] <mirak> when it was using mysql
[11:22] <mirak> I tested at this time
[11:23] <slasher> the spotlight type applet that now opens a window instead of the spotlight-like search feild
[11:23] <marcel> back
[11:23] <marcel> oh wait, poo
[11:23] <Jordan_U> HenrikL, update-alternatives
[11:23] <kurros> you get used to it, ime
[11:23] <gnomefreak> HenrikL: sudo update-alternatives --all or replace --all with what you want to change
[11:23] <mirak> gnomefreak: is there a way to have index just file names first, then when it's done, go deeper in documents ?
[11:23] <winbond> my vmware machine slowed down a lot from the latest kernel upgrade, anyone noticed a performance drop?
[11:23] <CountX> ok there we go
[11:23] <gnomefreak> mirak: not sure i havent had time to play with it yet
[11:23] <CountX> gnomefreak: what were you saying when i left, sorry i need to get on my laptop to stop switching back and forth
[11:24] <mirak> gnomefreak: why the indexing speed is ranged from 0 the fastest to 20 the slowest ? Is it just the nice setting ?
[11:24] <mirak> niceness
[11:24] <gnomefreak> CountX: on laptop do you see listed networks?
[11:24] <slasher> kurros: would it be possible to uninstall gutsy's deskbar and grab it from feisty's repo's?
[11:24] <CountX> gnomefreak: no, there are none when i do iwlist and in the network manager
[11:24] <gnomefreak> mirak: maybe, its not a package i maintain so i couldnt really say
[11:25] <gnomefreak> CountX: asking him about something atm
[11:25] <gnomefreak> slasher: what deskbar
[11:25] <CountX> gnomefreak: cool, its all good
[11:25] <slasher> deskbar-applet
[11:25] <gnomefreak> you mean applet or panel or what?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> slasher: ah ok
[11:26] <gnomefreak> CountX: works?
[11:26] <CountX> gnomefreak: so about that network thing, am i going to have to like, keep running that command or what?
[11:26] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Should he try turning off WPA encription so see if it's a wpasupplicant problem or am I missing something? ( I don't use WPA )
[11:26] <CountX> gnomefreak: did that permanently fix it/
[11:26] <gnomefreak> CountX: its just a restart command so you may need to write it down
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: yes
[11:27] <Jordan_U> CountX, Does wireless work?
[11:27] <Andy80> sorry, I had to reboot
[11:27] <gnomefreak> wpasupplicant gets opened n-m crashes
[11:27] <CountX> Jordan_U: to the best of my knowledge no
[11:27] <gnomefreak> slasher: give me a minute. first no you cant install feistied
[11:27] <mirak> gnomefreak: 97.4  0.6   0:14.14 pdftotext lol, tracker convert a pdf to text to index it ???
[11:27] <mirak> that's too much for me
[11:27] <gnomefreak> CountX: you did run iwlist with sudo right?
[11:28] <Andy80> can anyone help me with libnss-ldap please?
[11:28] <Jordan_U> mirak, How else would it work?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> mirak: file a bug
[11:28] <slasher> gnomefreak: that's too bad, but thanks, i'll take any help i can get
[11:28] <CountX> gnomefreak: no...
[11:28] <gnomefreak> CountX: if you do it should list
[11:29] <CountX> gnomefreak: it says that eth1 doesnt support scanning, and there is no such device
[11:29] <Jordan_U> mirak, Can you think of another way to index a PDF?
[11:29] <mirak> Jordan_U: I would prefer him to index all the files, then after go deeper. actually
[11:29] <Jordan_U> mirak, Ahh, ok.
[11:30] <SlimG2> Is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 driver replaced by the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in Gutsy? so I won't need to install the 915resolution package to fix the resolution problem
[11:30] <mirak> Jordan_U: I am not sure that with a normal usage a normal user would find is files with tracker even after one month, if he doesn't have the computer always online
[11:30] <Jordan_U> mirak, Just a thought, if the file change between indexing and text indexing then you would have a conflicting database
[11:31] <mirak> Jordan_U: no reason
[11:31] <CountX> marcel@marcel-laptop:~$ sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[11:31] <CountX> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[11:31] <mirak> Jordan_U: tracker is aware if a file change isn't it ?
[11:31] <Jordan_U> mirak, What do you mean?
[11:32] <mirak> tracker could just index the filenames in it's database
[11:32] <mirak> then once it's done, it do the indexing process and go deeper
[11:33] <mirak> if the file change who cares ?
[11:33] <DShepherd> so is gutsy going to get a new artwork for the release?
[11:34] <CountX> anyone wanna help me/
[11:34] <CountX> no wireless :(
[11:34] <CountX> its my birthday :)
[11:35] <CountX> !grandparidiso
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grandparidiso - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <CountX> !granparidiso
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about granparidiso - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <CountX> !firefox-granparadiso
[11:35] <CountX> ah, common ubotu
[11:35] <Pici> !info firefox-granparadiso
[11:36] <ubotu> firefox-granparadiso: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 9717 kB, installed size 27396 kB
[11:36] <Pici> Thats all she wrote
[11:36] <CountX> Pici: thanks
[11:36] <CountX>  !info wasnt aware of that one
[11:36] <ubotu> Package wasnt does not exist in gutsy
[11:36] <CountX> shh ubotu
[11:36] <CountX> !botsnack
[11:36] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:37] <slasher> haha, that's a terrible pun
[11:37] <CountX> yeah....
[11:37] <CountX> still funny
[11:38] <d4rkmonkey> I don't get it...
[11:38] <CountX> lol
[11:38] <CountX> its ok
[11:38] <slasher> he he he
[11:38] <d4rkmonkey> :'(
[11:38] <CountX> :P
[11:38] <CountX> !yum
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yum - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <CountX> hahaha
[11:38] <CountX> now thats funny
[11:38] <CountX> !Yum
[11:38] <slasher> !info yum
[11:38] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (gutsy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[11:38] <CountX> poo you
[11:38] <slasher> ;0
[11:38] <slasher> ERR
[11:38] <slasher> ;)
[11:39] <slasher> hit caps instead of shift
[11:39] <CountX> no
[11:39] <CountX> i dun wanna
[11:40] <CountX> ;)
[11:40] <CountX> inno, i get it
[11:40] <slasher> hehe :P
[11:41] <CountX> Jordan_U: poo on you
[11:41] <CountX> Jordan_U: why?
[11:41] <CountX> APT FTW
[11:41] <EqUaTe> Jordan_U: heathen!
[11:41] <EqUaTe> :P
[11:41] <CountX> !FTW
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <slasher> !info ftw
[11:41] <ubotu> Package ftw does not exist in gutsy
[11:41] <Jordan_U> CountX, Because it's too absurd not to :)
[11:41] <CountX> man someone should really fix that
[11:41] <EqUaTe> ubotu: FTW is APT
[11:41] <CountX> how do you add things to ubotu?
[11:42] <Jordan_U> CountX, ubotu foo is bar
[11:42] <EqUaTe> damn.. it goes to the ops chan.. :P
[11:42] <CountX> !FTW
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <CountX> see!
[11:42] <CountX> thats just wrong
[11:42] <Jordan_U> CountX, Join #ubuntu-ops and they will accept reject or ignore it :)
[11:42] <EqUaTe> CountX: it requires the folk in #ubuntu-ops to authorise it
[11:42] <CountX> ah...thats foobar
[11:42] <slasher> messing with the info bot, that's terrible, some day someone will wanna look something up and get nothing but dick jokes
[11:43] <CountX> open source concept?
[11:43] <CountX> I THINK NOT
[11:43] <CountX> slasher: have some confidence
[11:43] <slasher> nevar!!!
[11:43] <CountX> slasher: maybe tho...
[11:43] <CountX> i forgot how to change windows in irssi
[11:44] <slasher> you know i did too
[11:44] <crimsun> /win
[11:44] <crimsun> or use the meta bindings
[11:44] <Jordan_U> turned even
[11:44] <CountX> crimsun: ya if forgot the meta bindings
[11:44] <slasher> the only way i know is /window goto #
[11:44] <slasher> anyone know what the keyboard shortcut is?
[11:45] <crimsun> meta+#
[11:45] <gnomefreak> ther eis /win channel#
[11:45] <gnomefreak> meta+# doesnt work here
[11:45] <gnomefreak> assuming meta is the meta key and # is the channel #
[11:45] <winbond> geser, sorry missed ur post, yes kate can show numbered lines, if that's what u mean
[11:46] <slasher> i wish alt+left/right or something worked
[11:46] <CountX> slasher: there is something like that i just forgot
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ctrl+p ctrl+n work as well
[11:46] <slasher> sweet
[11:46] <geser> winbond: I mean can kate show you if unix, dos or mac  line endings are used?
[11:46] <slasher> thanks gnomefreak
[11:46] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:47] <CountX> thanks bro
[11:47] <CountX> imma forget it though...
[11:47] <Jordan_U> geser, vim will ( it doesn't understand dos or mac line endings :)
[11:47] <slasher> just use it a lot
[11:47] <CountX> slasher: im trying :P
[11:48] <CountX> slasher: you shoul see
[11:48] <slasher> haha
[11:48] <geser> Jordan_U: I know, but I don't know if winbond can use vim
[11:48] <CountX> anyone use wireless? can help me?
[11:48] <CountX> like, still no networks show up
[11:49] <slasher> i use it but mine worked out of the box, sorry
[11:49] <CountX> restricted-manager shows the bcm43xx is in-use
[11:49] <Jordan_U> CountX, Try temporarily turning off WPA to see if it's a WPA issue
[11:49] <CountX> Jordan_U: how :P
[11:50] <Jordan_U> CountX, In FF go to the ip of your router to get to its configuration page
[11:50] <CountX> Jordan_U: im using my neighbors....
[11:50] <CountX> Jordan_U: no WPA no protection
[11:50] <slasher> from the sound of it he's not even seeing ssid's
[11:50] <Jordan_U> bad CountX
[11:50] <slasher> yeah, bad CountX
[11:50] <CountX> Jordan_U: naw were cool, we share files and stuff
[11:51] <abc123> since  last update of the ati driver, the display stay black, i have have already run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but it doesnt help... what's wrong?
[11:51] <Jordan_U> slasher, gnome freak ( trying not to highlight him, sorry if I do ) said that wpasupplicant may be preventing him from seeing the essid also somehow, or maybe I misunderstood
[11:52] <osmosis> anyone use xen in gutsy ?
[11:52] <slasher> hmm, i'll take his word for it, i'm sure he knows more than i do
[11:52] <Jordan_U> CountX, So there is no password on his network?
[11:52] <CountX> Jordan_U: no, and its a she :P
[11:53] <Jordan_U> slackern, Then again I may have misunderstood and she was only talking about nm
[11:53] <CountX> Jordan_U: and im like 3 meters from the router....
[11:53] <slasher> CountX: are you sure your wireless hardware is on btw?
[11:53] <Jordan_U> CountX, In FF put 192.168.1.1 in as the URL
[11:54] <CountX> Jordan_U: how would i know
[11:54] <CountX> Jordan_U: iwconfig?
[11:55] <Jordan_U> CountX, Well, try "sudo iwconfig <interface> <ESSID>"
[11:56] <CountX> Jordan_U: i forget this essid
[11:57] <Jordan_U> CountX, Where interface is the interface name that didn't have an error "no wireless extensions" in iwlist and ESSID is the name of your neighbor's network
[11:58] <marek`> hey
[11:58] <marek`> when i do ls -l /bin/sh it points to dash
[11:58] <Jordan_U> CountX, You have a computer which is connected to it, correct?
[11:58] <marek`> is this a typo?
[11:58] <marek`> is it supposed to be bash?
[11:58] <Jordan_U> marek`, It is supposed to
[11:58] <CountX> Jordan_U: not right now
[11:58] <marek`> why?
[11:59] <CountX> Jordan_U: this laptop is the one that connects to it
[11:59] <rom> hi
[11:59] <Jordan_U> marek`, sh is supposed to link to a POSIX compliant shell, dash happens to be *only* POSIX compliant and nothing more, but it's faster than Bash.
[11:59] <Jordan_U> marek`, sh != bash
[11:59] <rom> someone can help me?
[11:59] <marek`> i see
[12:00] <rom> I try to launch compiz-fusion on gutsy
[12:00] <rom> "glxinfo | grep direct" give "direct rendering: Yes"
[12:00] <rom> but when I launch compiz --replace
[12:00] <Jordan_U> marek`, And it should never be assumed that it does ( though many people do, it's called a bashism when you ask for sh when you want bash )
[12:00] <rom> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[12:00] <Jordan_U> rom, ATI?
[12:00] <rom> nvidia geforce 8600
[12:00] <rom> last drivers
[12:01] <rom> from .run on nvidia website (nvidia-glx-new are old)
[12:01] <Jordan_U> rom, What happens when you try to enable it from System -> Preferences -> Appearance ?
[12:01] <marek`> i see
[12:01] <rom> I use kubuntu
[12:02] <rom> I try apparence
[12:02] <rom> then, what menu?
[12:02] <Jordan_U> rom, I thought that nvidia-glx-new in Gutsy was the newest driver from nvidia.com
[12:02] <Jordan_U> rom, No idea
[12:02] <rom> I think the last was out today
[12:02] <rom> or yesterday
[12:02] <CountX> Jordan_U: int he network-managerp the wireless connection is faded out, what doe sthat mena
[12:02] <rom> but driver seems to work
[12:02] <rom> just compiz doesn't :(
[12:03] <rom> I have this message too:
[12:03] <CountX> Jordan_U: typing fast sry about the grammar
[12:03] <Jordan_U> CountX, Have you tried rebooting yet?
[12:03] <CountX> Jordan_U: im scared too
[12:03] <CountX> Jordan_U: plus im updating
[12:03] <rom> /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[12:03] <Jordan_U> CountX, I doubt anything bad will happen, at worst some kittens will be eaten
[12:03] <CountX> Jordan_U: damn kittens...
[12:04] <CountX> Jordan_U: maybe just maybe they will convert to gajaism and be 'happy' kittens
[12:04] <CountX> OR THEY WILL BE DESTROYED!!
[12:04] <rom> someone has an idea?
[12:04] <Jordan_U> CountX, Speaking of which, what was that Desktop Background you had?
[12:05] <CountX> Jordan_U: which one, the religeon one?
[12:05] <Jordan_U> CountX, Yes, the one in the screenshot
[12:05] <CountX> Jordan_U: i use wallpaper-tray, on a 1 minute cycle, i have like 200 desktops
[12:05] <CountX> Jordan_U: its from deviantart.com, i donwloaded all my favourates
[12:06] <CountX> Jordan_U: actually nbow that you mention it, i need to backup all those on my site
[12:06] <Jordan_U> CountX, Link?
[12:06] <Jordan_U> :)
[12:06] <CountX> Jordan_U: the link is long gone...
[12:06] <CountX> lost in time
[12:06] <ReL1K> anyone have the issue with an annoying white box when using compiz
[12:07] <ReL1K> ??
[12:07] <rom> what card?
[12:07] <ReL1K> intel
[12:07] <Jordan_U> CountX, Can you send it to me?
[12:07] <CountX> Jordan_U: im uploading the 32 best
[12:07] <rom> I don't know:(
[12:07] <ReL1K> gm965
[12:08] <CountX> Jordan_U: the titles oare pretty good, so you should be able to pick it out
[12:09] <winbond> geser, i can use vim, do i need to specify anything in vim to show the endings, because i still dont see anything
[12:11] <ReL1K> i heard someone talking about this before, noone has an idea how to fix the issues in compiz where theres a weird white box around everything??
[12:11] <CountX> Jordan_U: http://marcels.pure-wrath.com/desktops/So_Many_Answers_by_RadicallyPoetic.jpg
[12:11] <rom> nobody knows for my compiz bug?
[12:11] <geser> winbond: sorry, I don't have right now a file to test
[12:12] <geser> winbond: and it's time for me to go to bed
[12:12] <CountX> Jordan_U: this one is pretty freakin sweet
[12:12] <CountX> http://marcels.pure-wrath.com/desktops/Copy%20of%201297171615_cfe280f144_o.png
[12:12] <winbond> geser, ok , thanks
[12:13] <darrend> why is apache a dependency of php5?
[12:13] <CountX> really?
[12:16] <Jordan_U> darrend, Good question :)
[12:17] <CountX> Jordan_U: if im not back in 5 minutes, something went horribly wrong
[12:18] <CountX> Jordan_U: and i want you to know...you were a real friend bro
[12:18] <CountX> jk jk
[12:18] <CountX> :P
[12:18] <CountX> but seriously if im not back soon somethings wrong
[12:18] <Jordan_U> CountX, It's OK, as long as text doesn't start getting scre13452345234523409 )(IU)*&Y&%*681wrqwr youf f&^in#
[12:23] <slasher> i've got class, thanks for the help, later
[12:24] <CountX> bakc
[12:24] <CountX> back, and i have internet apparently
[12:25] <Jordan_U> CountX, Still no wireless though?
[12:25] <CountX> Jordan_U: lemme check
[12:25] <CountX> Jordan_U: i have 3 network icons on the top
[12:25] <CountX> wow
[12:26] <CountX> aint that special
[12:26] <CountX> no i dont see any wireless
[12:27] <Jordan_U> CountX, Does sudo modprobe bcm43xx output anything?
[12:27] <CountX> nothing...
[12:29] <Jordan_U> CountX, Did it work in feisty?
[12:30] <Jordan_U> CountX, And can you pastebin the output of "ls /lib/firmware" ?
[12:36] <ReL1K> anyone have the issue with an annoying white box when using compiz?
[12:36] <ConstyXIV> can you remap your menu key to something useful, like scale?
[12:37] <osmosis> where can I check the lastest new packages for gutsty ?
[12:37] <ConstyXIV> osmosis: same way as always
[12:37] <ConstyXIV> osmosis: either apt-get update or the update manager
[12:38] <osmosis> ConstyXIV: i dont have it installed though.  web page ?
[12:38] <gib> I'm having an issue with yelp in gutsy.  It doesn't display any images; it only shows text--which is displayed fine.  It don't get any error messages when launching it from the command line, and like I said, it works fine except for not showing any images.
[12:38] <ConstyXIV> osmosis: packages.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <osmosis> ConstyXIV:  updates are there ?
[12:39] <gib> Is anyone esle seeing images in there help files for gnome-based apps that use yelp?
[12:40] <osmosis> ConstyXIV:    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy    has  lastest uploads
[12:41] <gib> So, is that a known issue.  It seems like the gnome guys break yelp with every revision.
[12:44] <CountX> Jordan_U:
[12:44] <CountX> Jordan_U: 2.6.22-10-generic  2.6.22-11-generic  bcm43xx_microcode11.fw
[12:44] <gnomefreak> gib: what steps are you taking to get that?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> CountX: hint we are at 2.6.22-11
[12:44] <gnomefreak> soon to be -12
[12:45] <CountX> gnomefreak: que?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> atleast it should be done before beta release
[12:45] <CountX> gnomefreak: Que?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> what do you mean?
[12:45] <CountX> espanol?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> !es
[12:45] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:45] <CountX> no hablo inglis
[12:47] <marcel> !ghost
[12:47] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[12:47] <marcel> i win
[12:47] <CountX> stupid
[12:48] <CountX> sorry im back, i keep getting birthday calls
[12:48] <CountX> people telling me about being 1 year older and responsibility and blah blah
[12:48] <pwnguin> CountX: dialup?
[12:50] <CountX> pwnguin: NO!
[12:50] <CountX> !dialup
[12:50] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[12:50] <CountX> NO
[12:50] <CountX> dialup, just die damnit
[12:50] <pwnguin> CountX: just wondering why you disconnected because of the phone
[12:50] <CountX> pwnguin: no i was shosted
[12:51] <CountX> ghosted
[12:51] <pwnguin> which happens when you get disconnected and reconnect
[12:51] <pwnguin> anyways
[12:51] <CountX> pwnguin: yeah i pressed ctrl+c
[12:52] <pwnguin> is there some trick to getting sd readers to work in gutsy?
[12:52] <CountX> Jordan_U: hey man
[12:52] <CountX> Jordan_U: no wireless still...
[12:52] <Jordan_U> CountX, Sorry if you already answered, but did it work in Feisty?
[12:53] <Jordan_U> CountX, and what is the output of "ls /lib/firmware" ?
[12:53] <CountX> Jordan_U: i only used feist for a little, and i didnt try, sorry
[12:53] <CountX> Jordan_U: marcel@marcel-laptop:~$ ls /lib/firmware
[12:53] <CountX> 2.6.22-10-generic  2.6.22-11-generic  bcm43xx_microcode11.fw
[12:54] <CountX> Jordan_U: and i still have 3 network icons on the top bar
[12:54] <Jordan_U> CountX, Do you have a feisty LiveCD? it would be useful to know if this is a regression
[12:54] <CountX> Jordan_U: i do but its scratched, cd's dont last long in my room
[12:55] <Jordan_U> CountX, strange, I have a bunch of .fw files, I am guessing you should also and you just don't have the .fw ( firmware ) file for your chipset
[12:55] <Jordan_U> CountX, That's what cases are for ;)
[12:55] <CountX> Jordan_U: you do know its my bday right....hook me up man ;)
[12:56] <ReL1K> anyone using gutsy maybe with intel drivers have issues with compiz showing a white box around things, like all windows, the start menu, etc.
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ReL1K: intel drivers are buggy atm
[12:56] <Jordan_U> ReL1K, Try with copy mode
[12:56] <ReL1K> Jordan_U: how do i do that? :P
[12:57] <Jordan_U> CountX, I can actually send you some more .fw files though.
[12:57] <ReL1K> and is anyone having issues where every so often they copy and paste something and if they copy english, it pastes out japanese characters? :P
[12:57] <d4rkmonkey> ReL1K uh, isn't intel blacklisted or something now?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> --use-copy i think or i know you can do  it from the gui settings manager
[12:57] <CountX> Jordan_U: what would i do with thosE/
[12:57] <ReL1K> d4rkmonkey: yea, got it to work though
[12:57] <Jordan_U> CountX, Put them in /lib/firmware
[12:57] <ReL1K> had to edit the compiz config under /usr/bin/compiz, comment out the T=T$ #intel 965 line
[12:57] <ReL1K> works fine after that
[12:57] <ReL1K> cept the little white box :P
[12:58] <CountX> Jordan_U: whats that worth?
[12:58] <d4rkmonkey> ReL1K Ok, the bugs are probably the reasons that it is blacklisted lol
[12:58] <ReL1K> and for the record, compiz worked perfectly fine 100 percent fine like 4 days ago
[12:58] <ReL1K> then the updates cmae
[12:58] <ReL1K> came
[12:58] <ReL1K> :)
[12:58] <AmyRose> I finally broke down and used aptitude to upgrade...
[12:59] <AmyRose> XD
[12:59] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Do you know if after using r-m for broadcom and extracting from the default driver it should put more than one .fw file in /lib/firmware or does it actually just keep the one that it detects is right for that card? ( in feisty with fwcutter by default you get a lot of firmware files )
[12:59] <Jordan_U> ?
[12:59] <terlmann> good for you!
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: should use the one it detects afaik
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: i havent had to update firmware for anything yet
[01:00] <MenZa> Also, can anyone tell me why it might be that I can't scroll vertically by sliding down the right side of my touchpad anymore? I could on Feisty. :/
[01:00] <MenZa> -the Also bit.
[01:00] <pwnguin> MenZa: check the mouse settings
[01:00] <Jordan_U> CountX, Probably won't help but try this, download trogdoor.googlepages.com/firmware.zip and extract the .fw files to /lib/firmware ( I assume you know how to use sudo and mv ) then reboot
[01:01] <MenZa> pwnguin: I'm re-configuring xserver-xorg right now; which should I pick? /dev/input/mice, /dev/psaux, /dev/ttySO, /dev/tts0 or /dev/gpmdata?
[01:01] <pwnguin> MenZa: synaptics is getting a bit of attention recently, perhaps due to a recent wsj article
[01:01] <pwnguin> MenZa: no clue
[01:01] <MenZa> pwnguin: meh
[01:01] <MenZa> I'll try
[01:01] <Jordan_U> CountX, Actually to test, mv the one .fw file that is there somewhere else temporarily before copying the others over
[01:01] <pwnguin> id go with /input/mice
[01:02] <MenZa> Did
[01:02] <pwnguin> or maybe psaux
[01:02] <pwnguin> but ttyS0 is foolish
[01:02] <MenZa> brb
[01:02] <MenZa> restarting X
[01:03] <Jordan_U> CountX, I am going to have to leave soon but I am getting picked up so I am not sure exactly when, if I leave than tell me what happened with a /msg
[01:03] <CountX> Jordan_U: ok, im trying to lean mv
[01:03] <CountX> learn
[01:03] <MenZa> That didn't work. :(
[01:04] <Jordan_U> CountX, sudo cp /directory/where/you/unzipped/to/firmware/*.fw /lib/firmware
[01:05] <Jordan_U> CountX, But first "sudo mv /lib/firmware/*.fw Desktop/" or wherever else you want
[01:06] <Jordan_U> Meh, I'm not giving very clear directions :(
[01:08] <CountX> okay
[01:08] <CountX> there are still 3 network icons on the top bar
[01:08] <CountX> little weird
[01:09] <Balaams_Miracle> Gutsy problem: I've just moved from Xubuntu to Ubuntu using the 'Mark packages by task' feature in Synaptic (i know, not recommended). Now i wanted to try out these desktop effects i've been hearing so much about, but it refuses to cooperate. Here're the errors it throws. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38045/  Anyone know how to solve this? Is this a known problem or is it something i did?
[01:10] <Jordan_U> CountX, I'm gone
[01:11] <CountX> Jordan_U: fudge
[01:12] <CountX> can anyone explain the 3 network icons? marcels.pure-wrath.com/Screenshot.png
[01:14] <gnomefreak> ConstyXIV: start removing them until you find the one that is keeping you connected
[01:14] <Balaams_Miracle> CountX: I haven't got a clue, besides the suggestion that you maight have done it yourself, although i think you've already ruled that one out
[01:14] <ConstyXIV> gnomefreak: ???
[01:15] <gnomefreak> sorry
[01:15] <CountX> Balaams_Miracle: haha, i know i did it
[01:15] <gnomefreak> CountX: remove them until you find the one that kills your connection
[01:15] <CountX> Balaams_Miracle: id like to fix it, as well as my wireless
[01:15] <gnomefreak> CountX: sounds like while you were trying to get it started you open it more than once
[01:15] <gnomefreak> or reboot and see how many show up
[01:16] <Balaams_Miracle> CountX: then i'd sughgest you follow gnomefreak's advice :-)
[01:16] <Balaams_Miracle> (bleh, me and my typos)
[01:16] <gnomefreak> wireless fix will be uploaded in next day or 2 (its about done) but we are frozen so it has to be accepted as showstopping and i thin it is
[01:16] <CountX> gnomefreak: i have rebooted like 3 times with all threee coming back
[01:16] <CountX> hello?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> CountX: kill them one by one and see what happens start with closest the the left
[01:17] <gnomefreak> that should be last one added
[01:17] <CountX> gnomefreak: they all act as one
[01:17] <CountX> gnomefreak: if i close on they all close
[01:17] <CountX> one*
[01:17] <gnomefreak> CountX: that sounds wrong
[01:18] <CountX> gnomefreak: it looks wrong
[01:18] <gnomefreak> its possible ofcourse but unlikely see if ps aux lists 3 processes for n-m
[01:18] <Balaams_Miracle> Try killing them from the processmanager
[01:18] <gnomefreak> CountX: how ar eyou killing them?
[01:18] <gnomefreak> are*
[01:19] <gnomefreak> yes that will kill all of them
[01:19] <CountX> gnomefreak: im down to ne
[01:19] <gnomefreak> right click icon and close
[01:19] <gnomefreak> should work
[01:19] <CountX> can you read me?
[01:19] <Balaams_Miracle> Yes
[01:19] <CountX> cause im down to one now
[01:19] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:19] <CountX> coolios
[01:19] <gnomefreak> told you :)
[01:19] <CountX> gnomefreak: still no wireless...
[01:19] <gnomefreak> CountX: wait for the fix than lets see what we can do
[01:20] <CountX> gnomefreak: fix?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> im fairly sure the fixes for n-m will fix most if not all your issues
[01:20] <gnomefreak> CountX: the fix for it is just about done
[01:20] <CountX> gnomefreak: cool like next few days close?
[01:20] <CountX> gnomefreak: by saturday fix? :P
[01:20] <gnomefreak> wpa is causing your issues (im about 85% sure on that)
[01:20] <Balaams_Miracle> gnomefreak: You seem to know quite a deal. Any idea how i can solve my problem?
[01:20] <CountX> gnomefreak: i dont use wap
[01:21] <CountX> wpa*
[01:21] <gnomefreak> CountX: look for it by monday since we are frozen