[12:52] <bdmurray> dieguito: Have you tried using the development release of Ubuntu?
[12:54] <dieguito> not yet, latest cd I have is 7.04, I tried with other distros and all of them using libata share the problem
[12:54] <dieguito> worth mentioning among those Arch linux which has kernel 2.6.22
[01:22] <sirpan> hola tengo problemas con ubuntu 7.04 kernel 2.6.20-16-generic y nvidia.. alguna solucion?
[02:27] <mjg59> BenC: Hm. TIFM in the core kernel needs to be disabled in order to use the one in l-u-m.
[03:36] <calc> seems my audio stopped working on gutsy at some point it is intel hda with realtek 888
[03:37] <johanbr> calc: If it's a kernel problem, it should work if you go back to a previous kernel.
[03:38] <calc> oh i figured out the issue
[03:38] <calc> it changed how it works for which audio port to increase volume
[03:38] <calc> it claims it is the surround port now
[03:40] <johanbr> Oh, okay. So there have been patches to the hda driver this late in the game?
[03:41] <calc> not sure when it happened i haven't been using audio on my desktop in a while
[04:09] <mjg59> BenC: Hm. I suspect that the ACPI oopses on boot on some machines might be my fault
[04:09] <mjg59> BenC: Looking into that
[04:46] <mjg59> This is confusing me to an excessive degree
[04:47] <mjg59> I've made no substantive changes, but it seems to boot now
[06:18] <sud0> can anyone help with compiling using older kernel headers?
[08:50] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a question, why is CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL option not set anymore ?
[08:50] <AnAnt> it was enabled in 2.6.22-8
[08:50] <AnAnt> but in the current version it is disabled
[08:50] <AnAnt> is there a reason for this ?
[08:52] <RAOF> AnAnt: Didn't hda_intel get moved to linux-ubuntu-modules for ease of out-of-kernel updates?
[08:52] <AnAnt> RAOF: dunno
[08:52] <john_> can any one shed some light on the dmi_string:out of memory error that appears on startup. also have kernal alive error but one problem at a time as i am a NEWBIE
[08:53] <john_> was ok on 32 bit ubunto but moved over to 64 bit
[08:53] <john_> running a duo core intel chip
[08:54] <AnAnt> RAOF: what I know is that hsfmodem doesn't compile the HDA modules because of this option being not set
[08:55] <kraut> moin
[08:55] <RAOF> AnAnt: Yup, it's in l-u-m.
[08:59] <AnAnt> RAOF: what do you mean by "ease of out-of-kernel updates" ?
[09:00] <RAOF> AnAnt: I'm in no way authorititive, but it seems that hda_intel was taken out of the kernel and put into l-u-m so that l-u-m could track upstream ALSA more closely.
[09:01] <AnAnt> ok
[09:01] <RAOF> Rather than waiting for ALSA -> vanilla kernel -> Ubuntu.
[09:49] <Whoopie> BenC: Hi, could you consider adding the ipw2100/2200 power management fixes? it's bug 136357
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136357 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ipw2*00: please backport fixes for power management commands" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136357
[11:30] <amitk> Whoopie: the patches look sane. I will push in the changes
[11:52] <Whoopie> amitk: thanks a lot.
[01:08] <DexterF> hi
[01:08] <DexterF> are the feisty/gutsy kernels patched in regards to the usb system somehow?
[01:12] <DexterF> got a cheap usb hub here, works fien in etch, slack, windows, on two other machines, too. only ubuntu screws up when I attach it. usb-dvb-t box stops responding and so does a card reader
[01:15] <amitk> DexterF: the core usb subsystem is what is in mainline 2.6.22
[01:15] <amitk> DexterF: filing a bug with details of your devices would help in tracking down the problem
[01:16] <DexterF> amitk: sure, only wanted to check usb isn't patched beforehand
[02:18] <StevenK> Hey guys, I worked to get virtualbox-ose into Gutsy, which requires a kernel module to work, and it looks like a candidate for ubuntu-kernel-modules to include for i386/amd64, but virtualbox-ose-source (which is the source of the modules) is in universe, so I'm looking for suggestions.
[02:20] <zul> StevenK: I think including the virtualbox in feisty caused too many problems last time around so thats why they werent probably not included this time around but ask someone like BenC 
[02:21] <StevenK> virtualbox wasn't in Feisty - surely that was vmware?
[02:21] <zul> yeah it was
[02:21] <zul> im sure of it or I need more caffine
[02:32] <lamont> BenC: sigh.  -11.34 ftbfs on hppa with missing module sha256... wanna reenable all the crypto modules, or shall I do a test build or 3 and make a known-good patch for -11.35?
[02:34] <BenC> lamont: test build please
[02:35] <lamont> BenC: will do
[02:59] <amitk> BenC: I am going to push 1pw2x00 power management fixes soon. Testing now. When are you uploading?
[02:59] <amitk> s/1pw/ipw
[03:00] <zul> BenC: can we get xen amd64 added to lum and meta as well?
[03:17] <lamont> BenC: where is it deciding that sha256 is missing... it's not in modules.hppa64...
[03:18] <lamont> ah... sounds like debian/d-i/modules/crypto-modules is to blame, maybe?
[03:24] <lamont> someone remind me what the updateconfigs target is?
[03:29] <amitk> debian/rules updateconfigs?
[03:29] <amitk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[03:30] <amitk> lamont: updateconfigs is runn for all flavours in all architectures
[03:31] <rtg> amitk: Do you think your recent commits will have any effect on bug ##139171 ?
[03:32] <rtg> hello ubuntoid? bug #139171
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139171 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "ipw2200 regression in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139171
[03:33] <zul> rtg: that one looks more like a network-manager problem
[03:34] <rtg> zul: Except for 'ipw2200: Firmware error detected.'. amitk's patch mentions causing firmware errors.
[03:35] <Mithrandir> pkl_: what's the status of the new lum with fixed unionfs?
[03:36] <pkl_> Mithrandir: the unionfs fixes are in git.  I don't know if BenC has done an upload yet.
[03:37] <Mithrandir> ok, I'll pester him then.  Thanks a lot for fixing the problem though! :-)
[03:39] <Mithrandir> BenC: if you could tell me what the status of new lum is, that'd be great.
[03:41] <amitk> rtg: any effect will be unintentional. I looked at the patch from the point of view of getting  'iwpriv set_power' fixed
[03:42] <lamont> BenC: test build running now, eta 2 hours or so. :(  patch in git (lamont/hppa-ia64.git that probably fixes things if you happen to be doing -11.35 before the build finishes)
[03:43] <Whoopie> amitk: btw, do you know why the history function for gitweb doesn't work?
[03:43] <lamont> Whoopie: one guess would be the rebasing that happens
[03:44] <Whoopie> lamont: sorry, could you explain more?
[03:45] <lamont> Whoopie: how does it "doesn't work"?
[03:45] <Whoopie> lamont: history is empty. e.g. in Linus' tree, I can see the whole history of each file.
[03:47] <Whoopie> lamont: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=history;h=d0ecf29b6abcd567121e63aa43f06e7c587d89e7;f=drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.c
[03:47] <Whoopie> lamont: just an example, it should show the latest patch which amitk commited.
[03:47] <lamont> good question
[03:48] <lamont> git log on the file shows the right stuff - so I'd wager it's gitweb having fits
[05:53] <bdmurray> mjg59: A bit ago we talked about bug 91056 and I thought you mentioned you would have to think about it.  Am I recalling things correctly?
[05:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91056 in xkeyboard-config "[Feisty]  synaptic keypad lock button launches KDE or Gnome Help Center" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91056
[05:55] <mjg59> bdmurray: Yeah
[05:56] <mjg59> I can reproduce it on my new system, so I'll try to figure it out
[05:56] <bdmurray> Okay, I thought you said something about it sending a keypress even on release.
[05:56] <bdmurray> s/even/event/
[05:59] <mjg59> Yeah, that's what I see
[06:28] <lamont> BenC: patch committed in lamont/hppa-ia64.git confirmed good.  Please grab it.
[06:28] <lamont> 5f73606476035c5dfc5166d94f1ca48e42fe13a4
[06:33] <dieguito> dear kernel hackers, may I once again steal some seconds of your attention so you fix the makefile that is leaving r818x.ko out of kernel packages: lp bug #129407 ?
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129407 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "r818x.ko missing in  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-8-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129407
[06:34] <rtg> dieguito: I put it in Gutsy lum yesterday.
[06:34] <dieguito> i'll try to update now
[06:35] <rtg> dieguito: It hasn't hit the archive yet. Maybe by tomorrow.
[06:35] <dieguito> awww, well i'll keep an eye
[06:36] <rtg> dieguito: incidentally, its going to be called rtl_8180.ko in order to clearly distinguish it from rtl818x.
[06:40] <dieguito> which version is the one i'm waiting for?
[06:44] <rtg> dieguito: it depends on your device. Look in  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy-lum.git;a=blob;h=b548f172c049814fd3b11c128eb8c066c27f6825;hb=c1b118eaae96119089a567ff175109f661c6f149;f=ubuntu/wireless/rtl8180/rtl8180/r8180_core.c for rtl8180_pci_id_tbl[]  to see if your device is supported.
[06:45] <dieguito> I mean the ubuntu package that is including the driver, I already know it works with my card, I was using that before
[06:45] <dieguito> I even had to compile it's 10 different incarnations when ubuntu lost the module, i ended using ndiswrapper
[06:50] <rtg> dieguito: I'm not sure what you are asking. rtl8180 will appear in linux-ubuntu-modules, which you will get as part of the normal update process.
[06:50] <dieguito> i mean, which is the version of the ubuntu package
[06:50] <dieguito> the version that includes the previously missing driver
[06:51] <dieguito> linux-ubuntu-modules 2.6.22.what
[06:52] <rtg> dieguito: It looks like the kernel upload is forcing an ABI bump, so lum will be 2.6.22-12.1
[06:52] <dieguito> yeah that :)
[06:57] <dieguito> thank you rtg :)
[06:58] <bigjools> hey folks, are there any plans to upgrade alsa further in gutsy? (to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133)
[06:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,Triaged]  
[07:14] <mjg59> rtg: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page seems to have a more up-to-date rtl8180
[07:14] <rtg> mjg59: I'll lok.
[07:14] <rtg> s/lok/look/
[07:15] <rtg> mjg59: Did you get a change to test?
[07:15] <rtg> s/change/chance/
[07:15] <rtg> can't type today.
[07:15] <mjg59> Afraid not - I should be able to get a tester once we have images that fit on a CD again
[07:16] <rtg> mjg59: I've been building Live CD images on USB sticks.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> DVDs generally also work.
[07:31] <mjg59> rtg: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/74672 - I suspect that'll still be an issue with the forward port?
[07:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74672 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ESSID gets truncated" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[07:35] <rtg> mjg59: Yep. I'll patch lum, but its already missed the upload.
[07:35] <mjg59> Ok, no problem
[07:38] <dieguito_> that rtl-wifi version of the driver works, if that's useful to know
[07:38] <rtg> dieguito_: Good. That is the first positive confirmation. get that mjg59?
[07:39] <mjg59> Yup
[07:39] <dieguito_> well, it works but you *have* to make it work
[07:39] <dieguito_> and if I recall correctly, it suffers from the hangs ubuntu's version had. I would have to test again.
[07:41] <Krystof> maybe someone who's better at searching launchpad than I am can find it, but there is at least one extended discussion about the r818x driver where the deadlocks are discussed and a possible patch advanced in one of the bug reports about freezes on network changes or large data rates (with that driver)
[07:41] <dieguito_> yes it's somewhere around
[07:43] <dieguito_> lp bug #77152 is also related to 818x hardware
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77152 in ndiswrapper "Can't upload files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77152
[07:43] <dieguito_> (and I'm suffering it right now)
[07:45] <dieguito_> you may also want to close this lp bug #22689 since it seems to be about the old driver version
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22689 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Wi-Fi PCMCIA card fails association until CTRL+C is pressed." [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/22689
[07:47] <dieguito_> and the freeze bug is lp bug #31857, this one is a dupe of the essid truncate one lp bug #33714 and mark lp bug #45146 as dupe of  #31857
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 31857 in linux-source-2.6.15 "r818x driver freezes randomly" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/31857
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33714 in linux-source-2.6.15 "r818x not working" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33714
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45146 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hard lockup using realtek wireless since 2.6.15-22 " [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45146
[07:49] <dieguito_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=r818x&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[07:49] <dieguito_> (sorry about all that text)
[07:51] <Krystof> 31857 is the one I was thinking of
[07:51] <Krystof> as in, it has some useful discussion
[07:53] <Krystof> (the patch that I have seen somewhere is to remove the lock_irqsave/unlock_irqrestore in that function; I doubt it's correct, but it probably deals with the immediate symptoms)
[07:54] <dieguito_> right now, the problems with the r818x thing are: locks when uploading files or doing lot of stuff via wifi, no multicast support, truncated essid names, no accurate signal strength
[07:56] <Krystof> the locks can be worked around by using a -386 kernel, too
[08:04] <rtg> mjg59: I'm liking the driver at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net. Maybe I can dump the rtl softmac and encryption hacks in favor of the in-kernel versions.
[08:05] <rtg> Wish I'd have found this one first before porting the Feisty mess.
[08:07] <Nafallo> wow.
[08:07] <Nafallo> nice URL ;-)
[08:19] <Nafallo> mjg59: hi mate, around?
[08:19] <mjg59> Nafallo: Hi
[08:20] <Nafallo> mjg59: if I was sick of dell and consider buying a lenovo. which one would be a good choice if you know of hand?
[08:21] <mjg59> Nothing in the 3000 range
[08:21] <Nafallo> mjg59: dell wants one and a half month to deliver a D630, so screw them ;-)
[08:21] <Nafallo> mjg59: oki, thinkpad it is. more specific or are those all good ones? :-)
[08:22] <mjg59> Depends what you're looking for
[08:22] <mjg59> They should all work fairly similarly
[08:22] <mjg59> Though I've only direct experience of the T61
[08:23] <Nafallo> basically something to pick with me out on the datacenters if need be, but also sitting home and from time to time compiling stuff.
[08:23] <Nafallo> basically.
[08:23] <Nafallo> X is to damn small I think. how is the T-series?
[08:26] <mjg59> Fine
[08:26] <mjg59> I think the 42/43 were nicer, but they're still very competent
[08:26] <Nafallo> kewl. I'll probably end up with that then. thank you so much! :-)
[08:28] <bullgard4> How can I read out the ECDT?
[08:28] <mjg59> acpidump
[08:46] <bullgard4> sudo acpidump outputs DSDT, FACS, FACP, APIC, BOOT, MCFG, SSDT RSDT, RSD, PTR but no ECDT. (http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15169/)
[08:49] <bullgard4> /proc/acpi/embedded_controller/EC0/info contains: "gpe: 0x17; ports: 0x66, 0x62; use global lock: no".
[09:45] <jetsaredim> is it possible/likely to get an updated version of vmware-server-kernel-modules for gutsy in the near future?
[09:53] <jetsaredim> or - better yet - is there a way for me to be able to build the module for my system?
[09:57] <kylem> hmm. you raise a good question.
[09:57] <jetsaredim> which?
[09:58] <kylem> where did the vmware modules go?
[09:58] <kylem> they're still in the source package, heh.
[09:58] <jetsaredim> there is also bug 120332
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120332 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "vmware-player-kernel-modules not available for Gutsy kernel 2.6.22 (dup-of: 124775)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120332
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124775 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "No kernel modules for the 2.6.22 kernel" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124775
[09:58] <kylem> and feisty.
[10:02] <jetsaredim> i know its a good question - that's why i asked it :)
[10:39] <rtg> kylem: Does bug #141298 make any sense to you? These are Intel graphics platforms.
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141298 in dell "Intel video card 8086:2a02 blacklisted, can't run compiz" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141298
[10:41] <bullgard4> I downloaded the DEB program package pmtools and installed it. But 'apropos acpidisasm' cannot find anything suitable. How to diassemble the DSDT?
[10:41] <mjg59> rtg: Yes, that's deliberate
[10:42] <mjg59> 965 doesn't support Xv with composite
[10:42] <rtg> mjg59: I guess I don't understand enough about compiz and Xv.
[10:42] <mjg59> XAA + composite = no video on 965
[10:43] <mjg59> Which is awkward
[10:44] <rtg> mjg59: This is something Jose used to be able to do. e.g., compiz --replace to fix fubar'd compiz after saving his session.
[10:45] <mjg59> Right. Compiz will now not run on 965.
[10:46] <rtg> mjg59: Does that mean no 3D effects?
[10:47] <mjg59> Yes
[10:48] <rtg> mjg59: Can you point me to some info or rationale for this? I need to wrap my head around it 'cause Jose is gonna have a cow.
[10:50] <Keybuk> rtg: i965 doesn't support the necessary pieces for video to work without using EXA
[10:51] <Keybuk> so you can have whizz-bang 3D effects, but no porn
[10:51] <mjg59> rtg: The -intel driver doesn't support accelerated video playback when using a composited desktop unless you're using the EXA acceleration architecture, which we aren't
[10:51] <mjg59> Video playback is more important than desktop effects
[10:52] <rtg> So, this is really a feature :)
[10:52] <mjg59> Yes
[10:58] <JanC> mjg59: I'm sure a computer with a 965 can easily play video with compiz enabled, but without using Xv ?
[10:59] <mjg59> JanC: In HD? No.
[11:00] <JanC> well, most porn isn't in HD I guess?  :P
[11:15] <bdmurray> bug 141082 might need some attention
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141082 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Only one CPU core recognized in Gutsy after updates" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141082
[11:19] <JanC> well, at least I can play DVDs on my 1.33 GHz Core Duo laptop with 945 graphics, without using Xv (and while using compiz...)
[11:20] <jetsaredim> i'm running that kernel on my pentium d and i can see both cores
[11:20] <mjg59> Anyway, there's no decent way of autodetecting whether to use Xv or not
[11:20] <rtg> bdmurray: read the followup. He was running the 386 (UP) kernel.
[11:22] <rtg> bdmurray: never mind. brain damage.
[11:22] <bdmurray> rtg: That is one out of 4 commentors
[11:24] <kylem> i suspect he doesn't have an mpbios and as such, without acpi there's no hope of finding the other cpu
[11:25] <mjg59> Yeah. You're not going to get more than one processor on any modern machine unless booting with acpi
[11:26] <bdmurray> What is this commentor's issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/141082/comments/5
[11:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141082 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Only one CPU core recognized in Gutsy after updates" [High,Triaged]  
[11:27] <kylem> [    5.324000]  CPU #1 not responding - cannot use it.
[11:28] <mjg59> bdmurray: That's clearly a different bug to the filed one
[11:29] <bdmurray> hrm, its too bad comments aren't movable then
[12:34] <mjg59> rtg: I suspect someone's going to have to manage Jose's expectations. Gutsy will not be shipping with compiz on 965.