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Ubuletteasac, can I/you rename nss-svn.debian.org.trunk ? s/-/./01:19
Ubuletteat least01:19
Ubulettegnomefreak, when the new LP will be released ?01:28
Ubulettes/new/next/01:28
gnomefreakUbulette: dont know01:28
gnomefreaklast i heard this week but hter eis no telling01:29
Ubulettesame time as ppa ?01:29
gnomefreaki doubt PPA will be released with 1.1.9 last i heard they havent made much headway with features but that really doesnt mean much i wouldnt think01:30
Ubulettedon't they have a blog/rss when they speak about that ?01:32
gnomefreakasac: do have plans on releasing 2.0.0.7 this week?01:34
gnomefreakUbulette: not that i know of01:34
gnomefreakjust the mailing list01:34
gnomefreakWe were planning to release Launchpad 1.1.9 on Wednesday the 19th01:35
gnomefreakSeptember. Following quality assurance testing, we've chosen to delay01:35
gnomefreakthe release to allow for further testing.01:35
gnomefreakWe'll post updates to the launchpad-users mailing list and via the01:35
gnomefreakLaunchpad News blog at http://news.launchpad.net/01:35
gnomefreakgood timing01:35
gnomefreaki found that in email right after i commented01:35
Ubulette"The next release of Launchpad is due on the 19th September."01:36
Ubulettehmm01:36
Ubuletteyesterday for me01:36
asacgnomefreak: no its win only issue01:38
gnomefreakno its released for mac win and linux01:38
UbuletteBug 4380801:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 43808 in launchpad-bazaar "Create and display bug-branch from the branch page" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4380801:38
gnomefreakoh you mean the bug?01:39
asacgnomefreak: its a spinoff release that just fixes one bug01:39
asacgnomefreak: that bug is win only01:39
asacgnomefreak: they released all because of techinical issues01:39
gnomefreakomg01:39
gnomefreakthats stupid01:39
gnomefreakrelease win only for win only fix but hell fix 30 things not 101:39
asacgnomefreak: hey01:40
asacgnomefreak: thank god they didn't01:40
gnomefreaklol01:40
gnomefreaktrue01:40
gnomefreakbut i cant see a whole upgrade for one issue01:40
asacgnomefreak: i hate that ... i have to backport stuff ... if they do out of schedule mass bug-fixes its really a big pain01:40
gnomefreakseems like a waste unless it was a big issue01:40
gnomefreakso we will wait for 2.0.0.8?01:40
asacits important to have a more or less reliable schedule01:40
asacyes ... because 2.0.0.7 doesn't fix anything for us01:41
gnomefreaklol we wont get 2.0.0.8 for atleast another month or 201:41
asacno ... this is a non-regular release01:41
asacthey will just push the planned release back for a week or so01:42
asacso 2-3 weeks is my guess01:42
gnomefreakoh ok01:42
gnomefreakcool01:42
gnomefreakasac: btw if you comment on the iceape bug in debian about not recommending -gnome-support tell him thats why it a recommend not a depend01:43
asacgnomefreak: my bug backlog is huge01:43
asaci will probably not come to that for a few days01:43
Ubulettei've renamed the branches01:44
gnomefreakdebian bug 44321901:44
ubotuDebian bug 443219 in iceape-browser "iceape-browser: should not recommend iceape-gnome-support" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/44321901:44
Ubuletteupdated nspr source name01:44
Ubuletteupdated nspr.dev source name but not nspr as it will prevent the pull01:45
Ubulettei have a problem with nss. I've renamed my own branch nss.head, 2 or 3 commits ahead of nss.dev, itself ahead of nss01:46
asacgnomefreak: i think the claim is that it should suggest it01:46
Ubulettehow can I change source name?01:46
gnomefreakwhat differnece does it make debians apt doesnt install recommends unless they changed that the same time we did01:46
asacUbulette: source name?01:46
Ubulettepackage source name01:47
asacUbulette: i don't think i understand your question01:47
asacin changelog?01:47
Ubulettecontrol01:47
UbuletteSource:01:47
asacto what?01:47
asacis that your question?01:48
Ubulettenot to what as I thought we agreed on that. but to how ?01:48
asacno idea... pick one ;)01:48
asacnss301:48
asacor wait01:48
Ubuletteeh ?01:48
asacjust use nss01:49
Ubuletteyes01:49
asacthats the name of the official package01:49
Ubulettebut to which of the 3 branches ?01:49
Ubulettewould be logical to push to head, then pull dev, then plain nss01:50
asacits always the "release branch" that doesn't have a suffix imo01:50
asacs/pull/merge/ ... yes01:50
Ubulettebut head is a tarball away already01:51
asacyes ... i think we cannot get rid of a branch01:51
asachead can follow real HEAD01:51
Ubuletteyep01:51
Ubulettethat's the idea01:51
Ubuletteso we forget about merging head in dev ?01:52
Ubuletteor cherry pick maybe01:52
asacpoint is we should not try to use real head for our dev releases01:52
Ubulettethat i agree01:52
asaccherry-picking the right firefox/xulrunner revision is straight forward01:52
asacbut how do we find the right nss/nspr revision on head01:53
asac(given that head is always perfect)01:53
asaci think we need the dev branch ... because we might need to bump changelog a-posteriori01:53
asacas we never know where the next tag might be set we might not have the proper changelog committed to head01:54
Ubulettetoday, the 3 branches are in sync. rev 13, 15, 17 respectively01:54
asacand updating/commiting changelog version for each update on head would be too much?01:54
asaci am not sure, maybe thats even ok01:54
asaci mean whenever your bot receives a checkin it should bump changelog, try to build and if build successful, commit with a parsable commit message :)01:55
Ubuletteit does just that01:56
asacto your local bzr?01:56
Ubuletteoh no01:56
Ubuletteto a local db01:56
asacwhy not to local bzr?01:57
Ubulettecould be anything01:57
asacdo you still have .bzr dir in your build tree?01:57
Ubuletteno01:57
asacor do you use export or something01:57
asacif you would do that it would be simple to commit and auto push i guess01:58
UbuletteI drop the tree at the end of the build. I just keep logs and all the files produced01:58
asacno no01:58
asacmy questin is if the .bzr directory is in tree during build ;)01:59
Ubuletteoh.. hm. no, I drop it before it gets there01:59
Ubulettebut I can probably keep it02:00
asacyes ... then if build succeeds just do bzr commit -m "CHECKPOINT: 20070606t1231 successfully build."02:00
asacand bzr push02:01
asacto publish to head ;)02:01
asacactually you could also commit if it fails ;)02:01
asacbzr commit -m "CHECKPOINT: 20070606t1231 failed to build - RED LIGHT BLINKING."02:02
asacthen i would add a bot here that regularaly looks at top log entry on .head branch and adds the info that tree is broken to TOPIC :)02:03
asacwhat a tailored thing ;)02:03
asacanyway ... the question still remains: "how to easily identify the right nss/nspr revision"02:04
UbuletteI have a dozen or more reasons for failure, some not related to build, but that's possible. I'll think about it.02:04
asacactually the build failure commit was more like a brainstorming thing ... nothing well thought out02:05
Ubulettebtw, I can probably just export the logs and the reports within my minirepos02:06
UbuletteI have an internal web portal quite similar to lp :)02:06
asacbut that doesn't help us in forking of bzr checkpoints to our release branches02:07
asacor is it unrelated?02:07
Ubuletteunrelated02:07
asacyes logs would be fine02:08
Ubulettejust brainstorming too :)02:08
asacUbulette: ok lets go this way for now:02:09
Ubulettei also plan to preserve the last x successful builds02:09
asacuntil nss/nspr are uploaded to gutsy we don't have any problems02:09
asacwe just use nss.HEAD and nspr.HEAD ... and plain nss/nspr02:09
asacplain nss/nspr would serve as ppa release branch for now02:09
asaconce we upload to gutsy we can do something02:10
Ubuletteso I drop, nss (rev13), rename nss.dev (rev15) to nss, keep nss.head (rev18 now)02:12
asacUbulette: dropping is bad ... better merge nss.dev on nss and then mark nss.dev as merged in launchpad02:14
Ubuletteif you prefer, bzr log will show no difference02:15
asache?02:16
asacthere is one commit in nss that isn't in nss.dev02:16
asacif you merge your merge will be one major revision in bzr log ... with subcommits nested02:16
asacotherwise it will stay flat02:16
Ubuletteyou want non flat ? I thought you didn't02:17
asacjust try cd nss; bzr merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.dev; bzr commit -m "merging branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.dev"02:17
asacthats what i mean02:17
asacthe look at bzr log |more02:18
asactoo bad nm failed to build on amd6402:19
asacbecause of missing depends02:19
asacsame for ia6402:19
Ubuletteyou didn't try on your own box ?02:21
asacyes i did02:22
asaci think its just a matter of giving back once the gnome stuff is build02:22
asachopefully tomorrow02:23
Ubuletteasac, got some diffs ?02:32
Ubuletteasac, nss/nspr/xul should be ok. ff need serious work.02:40
Ubulettebut not today02:40
asacyes got the diffs for nss02:41
asacand nspr02:41
asaci am out for this night02:43
Ubuletteme too02:44
Ubulette'night02:44
gnomefreakme 302:44
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beanswhen will we be able to apt-get firefox 2.0.0.7 ?03:44
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gnomefreakasac: Ubulette  do either of you have the songbird svn link if your awake or here08:47
gnomefreaki got it nvm forgot i filed bug with the info on it08:57
gnomefreak!info nspluginwrapper gutsy09:05
ubotuPackage nspluginwrapper does not exist in gutsy09:05
gnomefreakyes it does09:05
gnomefreak!info nspluginwrapper09:05
ubotuPackage nspluginwrapper does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas09:05
gnomefreakasac: im looking at fixing nspluginwrapper bug but its just a depend bug easy to fix do you have any other fixes that need to be done? i looked at bugs and there wasnt enough info on them to seek a fix, let me know if you want me to wait a bit or go ahead and fix the depend right now depends on linux32 and should depend on util-linux since it brings in linux32 and conflicts with linux32 (is this worth uploading for just this fix?09:26
gnomefreakmaybe tomorrow ill fix it and make a branch for it09:26
gnomefreakits already 3:3009:29
gnomefreak:(09:29
gnomefreakok im going for smoke than gonna lay down and try to get some sleep so i can be awake for more paperwork09:31
asacgnomefreak: what bug?10:32
gnomefreaki knew you would ask that :(10:32
gnomefreakill find it in a minute10:32
gnomefreakdoes tbird import CSV for addressbook?10:33
asacno idea :)10:33
gnomefreak13826510:34
gnomefreakbug 13826510:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138265 in nspluginwrapper "Nspluginwrapper depencies should be updated" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13826510:34
gnomefreakasac: i looked it up and hes right on what he stated about depends10:34
gnomefreakbtw tbirds --help page can use some clean up10:35
gnomefreakits all over the place10:35
asacis that true?10:35
gnomefreakabout the deps?10:35
gnomefreakyes very much so10:35
gnomefreakshow util-linux10:35
gnomefreakor whateve rthe package is it contains linux32 and under conflicts it lists linux3210:36
gnomefreakcant understand why it would conflict with it if it installs it anyway10:36
asacwell ... but it should not be broken10:36
asacbecause util-linux provides linux3210:36
gnomefreakthats why the conflict bothers me a bit10:37
asacno util-linux now provides linux3210:37
gnomefreakwhy would it conflict with it if its gonna install it10:37
asacso installingb linux32 should bring you util-linux10:37
gnomefreaklet me check that10:37
asacanyway ... we can update that10:38
gnomefreakARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.10:38
gnomefreakThis should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! util-linux10:38
asacyeah10:38
gnomefreakthats bad10:38
asacthats bullshit10:38
asacso is freeze lifted?10:38
gnomefreaki guess remove it from depends and just add until-linux10:38
gnomefreakasac: no it just started afaik10:39
asacaeh inforst10:39
asaci mean ;)10:39
asacenforced10:39
asacdamn10:39
gnomefreaktoday is the day we freeze10:39
gnomefreakfor a week :(10:39
asacis it already started?10:39
gnomefreakim not sure what time it starts10:39
gnomefreakive been up all night and havent seen anyone say anything other than today we freeze10:40
gnomefreakis tbird in main now?10:40
gnomefreaki think it is but cant remember10:40
asacits always been in main10:40
gnomefreakedgy it was in universe iirc10:40
gnomefreakthere was a bug to move it to main (i remmber commenting on it) but it was a long time ago10:41
asacgnomefreak: ok i milestoned the bug and assigned to me10:42
asaci will try to get this in during freeze then10:42
gnomefreakk10:47
gnomefreakasac: tbird handles CSV but it handles it like shit10:47
gnomefreakit imporrts the address book but it leaves the display and email fields blank and just lists first name and email under last name10:48
gnomefreakok im gonna try to get some sleep since its alread almost 5am10:55
asacgnomefreak: hmm ... i doubt that there is a standard csv format for emails11:06
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cwong1asac: ping03:19
asaccwong1: hey03:26
cwong1asac: can you make a release with the latest from WORKING, please?03:27
asachmmm ... how about adding more features?03:28
asacbtw, the archive is frozen anyway ... so lets use this week to add more things we want.03:28
cwong1ok03:29
cwong1I am working on the signleton stuff now03:29
asacsingleton?03:30
asacwhats that?03:30
cwong1We are not going to allow more than 1 copy of browser running at the same time03:31
asacand how do you prevent that from happening? just through config?03:31
cwong1I added a bug to launchpad on this.03:32
asacok03:32
asacah cool a few more bugs ;)03:32
cwong1Need a service file and some code at startup to check for it.03:32
cwong1Also, we need to remove "New Window" feature from browser.03:32
asaccwong1: are you aware of the fact that there is no more than one instance running anyway?03:32
asacits just new windows03:33
asacso if you stop the start code to do anything on startup you will break the "open new link from outside applications" ...03:33
cwong1ah...03:34
asaccwong1: i will add the infos needed to the bug03:34
cwong1ok03:34
asaccwong1: "replace it with "Load URL into the same Window"."03:34
cwong1yes03:34
asacwe can use "open links in new tab"03:35
asacis that suitable as well?03:35
cwong1also I need to raise the window to the top03:35
cwong1new tab is a good option03:35
asaccwong1: ok thats just settings ...  we have that in gutsy firefox already03:35
cwong1which setting?03:36
asaccan you still access the preferences dialog?03:36
cwong1I though this is the default03:36
asacno idea if its the default ... we should verify03:37
asaccwong1: try to open chrome://browser/content/preferences/preferences.xul03:37
asacin location bar03:37
asacthen verify that in Content ... its set to "in new tab"03:38
asac"New pages should be opened" ... a new tab03:38
asacis that what is currently set?03:38
cwong1It is the default.03:38
asacok ... so are there any bugs you see? e.g. links from external applications still open a new window?03:39
cwong1not sure.  But we still need to remove the "New window" menu from the popup03:40
asacyes, but thats trivial i guess, right?03:40
cwong1yes03:40
cwong1ok, I will take a look at this and take care of it03:41
cwong1what about hildonize the window?03:41
asaccwong1: cool ... ok one more thing for the link thing03:41
asaclook at about:config03:41
asacsearch for browser.link03:41
cwong1ok03:41
asacyou will see the settings browser.link.open_external03:41
asacbrowser.link.open_newwindow03:41
asacboth should be 3, right?03:42
asacmaybe you want to set open_external to 1 ... or even 0 (no idea which setting)03:42
cwong1yes both are 303:43
asaci think there should be a value that will open in the current active tab03:43
asac(if that is what we want)03:43
cwong1ok.  I will give that a try03:43
asacanyway ... i think opening a new tab is good03:43
asacwe just have to decide if we want the new tab to be active or the old tab03:43
cwong1agree03:43
asaci think default is to keep the old tab in foreground03:43
cwong1the new tab most likely03:43
asacyeah ... we should research why the firefox default is on keep old tab03:44
asacthere might be a sane reason :)03:44
asac(in usability)03:44
asac(or confusion) ;)03:44
asacbut maybe its different for us because of the different screen layout approach03:45
cwong1yes, I will let the usability folks tell me what to do after they do the study03:45
cwong1:)03:45
cwong1what about hildonize toplevel window?03:46
asaccwong1: i commented in bug afaik03:46
asacbug 14052503:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140525 in midbrowser "hildonize the toplevel window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14052503:46
asaccwong1: basically the idea is that we hildonize by implementing hildon features in our hildon service component03:47
asaccwong1: as the hildon api is too GTK focussed03:47
asacand firefox/midbrowser isn't a real gtk application03:47
asacso we should analyse the hildon features we want and i can implement them03:48
cwong1So eveytime we goto a different page, we need to reset the title.03:48
asaccan you add that info to the bug03:48
asac?03:48
cwong1ok03:48
asace.g. add cases that don't work03:48
cwong1ok03:49
asacyou can add examples of missing hildonfeatures to the summary03:49
asacby editing description/tags03:49
asacgreat03:49
cwong1I will do that.  Goto go.  Need to get kid ready to school and go to work.03:49
cwong1talk to u later.03:49
asaccwong1: ah still at home03:49
asackudos03:49
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asaccu03:49
asachi AlinuxOS03:50
AlinuxOSHello all,03:50
cwong1cu03:50
asacso what is the case?03:50
AlinuxOShello asac03:50
asaci tested all here03:50
asace.g. i installed all .debs and then looked at each locale one time03:50
AlinuxOShere is my latest apt-get upgrade result:03:51
AlinuxOShttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37985/03:51
asacAlinuxOS: can you please paste that again to http://paste.ubuntu.com03:51
asacah ok03:51
asacbtw paste.ubuntu.com exists now ;)03:51
AlinuxOSasac, great!!!03:51
AlinuxOSfinally :D03:51
AlinuxOSI sometimes I don't remeber about ubuntu-nl :D03:52
asacAlinuxOS: please tell me which version the mozilla-firefox-locale-ka that you have installed has03:52
asacits probably a hand crafted thing (3rd party package)03:52
asacbut pleaes tell me03:52
asacwhat i asked before you remove it03:52
AlinuxOSmozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge 2.0.0.1ubuntu-103:53
AlinuxOSand it's not hand made...03:53
AlinuxOSit's official update03:53
asacAlinuxOS: where do you have it rom?=03:53
asacreally?03:53
asaclet me look03:53
AlinuxOSyes.03:53
AlinuxOSasac, I can also try to purge that.... but upgrade had ^ this kind of problems.03:54
AlinuxOSso I contacted you to be sure.03:54
asacAlinuxOS: no03:54
asacnot the version of that package, but the one of mozilla-firefox-locale-ka03:55
asaci want03:55
AlinuxOSasac, howto see that ? (I'm confused little bit) :)03:56
asacdpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka03:56
AlinuxOSdpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka03:57
AlinuxOSDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold03:57
AlinuxOS| Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend03:57
AlinuxOS|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)03:57
AlinuxOS||/ Name                       Version                    Description03:57
AlinuxOS+++-==========================-==========================-====================================================================03:57
AlinuxOSii  mozilla-firefox-locale-ka  2.0.0.7-0ubuntu1           Mozilla Firefox Georgian language/region package03:57
AlinuxOSalinux@brugherio:~/Desktop$03:57
AlinuxOSasac, I've purged mozilla-firefox-locale-ka03:58
AlinuxOSand made sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:58
AlinuxOSeverything installed now.03:58
AlinuxOSbut when I launch Firefox03:59
AlinuxOSI got a pop-up window03:59
AlinuxOSwith a message:03:59
AlinuxOS<window id="main-window"03:59
AlinuxOS^    <menuitem id="menu_HelpPopup_reportPhishingtoolmenu"03:59
AlinuxOS----^    <menuitem id="menu_HelpPopup_reportertoolmenu"03:59
AlinuxOS----^    <menu id="helpMenu"03:59
AlinuxOS----^03:59
AlinuxOSasac, I restart X server.04:01
AlinuxOSsee you soon04:01
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bluekuja_asac: you there?04:09
asacany probs?04:09
bluekuja_asac: bitstormlite made a new upstream release04:10
bluekuja_that fixes that problem04:10
bluekuja_he added a .desktop too04:10
bluekuja_the package is ready04:10
asacbluekuja_: you know the procedure ;)04:10
bluekuja_asac: yup, diff.gz etc on mail this time?04:10
bluekuja_(we dont have a branch for it)04:11
asacbluekuja_: yes ... maybe consider to setup a branch ... its easier to share04:12
bluekuja_and making a debdiff of a new upstream is not good04:12
asacright04:12
bluekuja_asac: ok, this time I send you a mail, and gonna setup a branch for future use04:12
bluekuja_;)04:12
asacbluekuja_: please don't put the orig et al in the maiul04:17
asacbetter provide links to download04:17
bluekuja_asac: mmm04:18
bluekuja_need to find an host then04:18
bluekuja_^^04:18
bluekuja_asac: gonna setup my server04:18
bluekuja_again04:18
asacbluekuja_: get an alioth account04:19
asacyou can put files there04:19
bluekuja_asac: I have alioth already04:20
bluekuja_asac: only in a project or personal use?04:20
asacgive it a try04:22
asacno idea ... should be project independent04:22
bluekuja_let me see04:22
asacanother option is mentors.debian.net04:23
asacwhich is basically revu for debian04:23
bluekuja_asac: yeah, but I have to register et all04:25
bluekuja_I gonna setup my server for you again04:25
asacAlinuxOS: the reason for this was confusion ... so now all should be fine04:25
asacbluekuja_: alioth should work04:25
AlinuxOSasac, what should I do so ?04:25
bluekuja_asac: I dont see anything related to personal package upload04:25
AlinuxOSI'm using epiphany-browser :)04:26
AlinuxOSmy mozilla is dead  :)04:26
bluekuja_asac: I can make a dir inside gnome-bt project04:26
bluekuja_with bitstormlite name04:26
asacAlinuxOS: ah ... so the locale is broken now?04:31
AlinuxOSasac, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/firefox.png04:32
asacwhats that ... the start page?04:33
asacAlinuxOS: you sure you removed the other locale package?04:34
AlinuxOSasac, yes with --purge04:35
asacreinstall the other locale package04:35
asacuninstall ... start firefox04:35
asacinstall again04:35
asacAlinuxOS: please paste output of locale command04:36
AlinuxOSasac, ok.04:36
bluekuja_asac: ftp://gnome-btdownload.alioth.debian.org/pub/gnome-btdownload/bitstormlite04:37
asacwhich version is installed?04:37
AlinuxOSI reinstall them.04:37
asacAlinuxOS: mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge?04:37
asaci don't remember anymore04:37
AlinuxOSyes04:37
bluekuja_asac: if you find any problem, ping me04:37
bluekuja_or leave me a message04:37
bluekuja_leaving now, cya04:37
asacAlinuxOS: yes? which version i asked :)04:38
AlinuxOS2.0.0.7-0ubuntu104:39
AlinuxOSI'm reinstalling it.04:39
asacAlexLatchford_: thats the wrong version04:43
asacAlexLatchford_: sorry ... unping04:43
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asacAlinuxOS: the wrong version04:44
asacand you again do reinstall mozilla-firefox-locale-ka ... not mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge04:44
asacdon't do that04:44
AlinuxOSasac, it's ok now.04:44
asacwait till mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge arrives04:44
asacAlinuxOS: remove that package and wait for mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge  2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu104:44
asacAlinuxOS: or manually get it from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/amd64/mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge/2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu104:45
AlinuxOSasac, now everything works04:45
asacAlinuxOS: yes but you will be stuck forever04:45
asacfollow my advice04:45
asac;)04:45
AlinuxOSasac, forever' :D04:46
asacuninstall it ... live 2 days without translation04:46
asacand then install the right package04:46
asacmozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge04:46
asac2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu104:46
AlinuxOSalinux@brugherio:~$ dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge04:46
AlinuxOSDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold04:46
AlinuxOS| Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend04:46
AlinuxOS|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)04:46
AlinuxOS||/ Name                          Version                       Description04:46
AlinuxOS+++-=============================-=============================-==========================================================================04:46
AlinuxOSii  mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge  2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1            Mozilla Firefox Georgian language/region package04:46
AlinuxOSshould I remove it?04:46
asacyes04:46
asacthen its fine04:46
asacno you told me above04:46
asac16:36 < AlinuxOS> 2.0.0.7-0ubuntu104:47
asac16:36 < AlinuxOS> I'm reinstalling it.04:47
AlinuxOSaaah :D04:47
AlinuxOSlooolz04:47
AlinuxOSno no it was another misterious package! :D04:47
AlinuxOSnow everything works :)04:47
AlinuxOS2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1 <-- it's OK04:47
AlinuxOSasac, Vielen Dank! :)04:48
asacnp04:48
bluekuja_here for 1 more minute04:49
bluekuja_asac: did you copied out that link?04:49
bluekuja_or want me to mail it to you?04:49
asacmail please04:49
bluekuja_ok04:49
asaci will sponsor asap04:49
AlinuxOSasac, I love this idea of ubuntu-mozilla team :)04:49
AlinuxOSI'll bugging you here then :P04:49
asacthanks :)04:49
AlinuxOSasac, keine problem! :)04:50
AlinuxOSlool04:50
bluekuja_ok sent04:50
AlinuxOSasac, enjoy Georgian Firefox with me: http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/firefox.png04:51
AlinuxOS;)04:51
asacyes i already saw that when testing the intial upload i did04:52
AlinuxOSasac, If you like Georgian locale you can use it like your main locale ;) I'll be happy!04:53
AlinuxOSGeo Firefox Rocks :)04:53
asacAlinuxOS: well ... readability is obviously an issue here ;)04:54
AlinuxOSlooolz ;)04:54
asacAlinuxOS: i better wait till other languages consolidate their alphabet :)04:54
AlinuxOS:)04:55
AlinuxOSGeorgian alphabet is ancient alphabet :)04:55
asacwhich imo can be a competitive disadvantage in the world economy04:55
AlinuxOSand there is 4 alphabets.04:55
asactake thai language ... imo its good that people are proud of their history, but its not efficient04:55
AlinuxOSused only one for modern Georgian.04:55
asacthey don't even have spaces between words04:56
AlinuxOSasac, we have spaces :)04:56
asacso when they read they often fail to read04:56
AlinuxOSunique not efficent thig is that ..many informatique terms are not present in our language.04:57
AlinuxOSand some Error messages (example for GNOME transtaltion) are hardly translatable.04:57
AlinuxOSasac, word economy is not efficient thing.04:58
AlinuxOSit's very sterile, and with no heart.04:58
AlinuxOSone of the human art is language and alphabet.04:59
AlinuxOSso I belive in multilingual Software :)04:59
AlinuxOSwhy not ;)04:59
asacAlinuxOS: well if people cannot read fast and failsafe its an economic and even social issue05:03
AlinuxOSyes.05:04
asacif only people with enough money to study long enough can learn to write the language properly its another issue and is not fair for those that cannot efford it05:04
AlinuxOSwe georgians are trilingual.05:04
asacwhich is not bad in general05:05
AlinuxOSGeorgian - Russian and very often other Euro language.05:05
AlinuxOSonly Georgian is not enough.05:05
AlinuxOSthat's true.05:05
asachow is your alphabet called?05:07
asaci saw other locales while testing that looked pretty similar05:07
AlinuxOSasac, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_alphabet05:07
AlinuxOSasac, Georgian Alphabet ( )05:09
AlinuxOSit's unic and original.05:09
asacAlinuxOS: looks like you have two much letters to fit on a standard keyboard05:10
AlinuxOSasac, yes 3305:11
AlinuxOSasac, supporting Georgian in Ubuntu (and Linux) in general was an issue :)05:11
AlinuxOSbut with great work of Ubuntu Team and Georgian Ubuntu/Gnome team - georgian is supported now.05:12
AlinuxOSthe main problem is that our team is very small...05:12
asacyeah ... but isn't typing inefficient or do you have completely special keyboards (e.g. with much mor keys) ?05:12
AlinuxOSasac, no typing is fast.05:13
asachow?05:13
AlinuxOSit's managed with normal Latin...05:13
asachow many keys does your keyboard come with?05:13
AlinuxOSsome letters are typed with Shift.05:13
asacAlinuxOS: yeah, but then you need key-combinations to present some letters which i would consider really pinful05:13
AlinuxOSI use Italian keyboard.05:14
asacAlinuxOS: well shift is typcially alreadey bound to lower/upper-case05:14
AlinuxOSI've even created Geo-Ita layout.05:14
asacinteresting05:14
AlinuxOSthere are US, Russian, French and Italian keyboards that are used for typing Georgian05:15
asacAlinuxOS: do you know well how to do new layouts for X ?05:15
asacAlinuxOS: i need something special i cannot find ...05:15
AlinuxOSnot well, but I needed that for special characters like: ;.@#\|05:15
AlinuxOSetc..05:15
asachttp://half-qwerty.com/05:16
asaci need that so much05:16
asaci hate to type with two hands05:16
AlinuxOSmainly the input system is quite simle.05:16
asachttp://half-qwerty.com/resources/images/rightboard.gif05:16
AlinuxOSah05:16
asacthere are keymaps for the console, but not for X :(05:16
AlinuxOScurious...05:17
AlinuxOSfor example a =  b = 05:17
AlinuxOSA = 05:17
AlinuxOSin main Georgian there is no capital letters.05:18
AlinuxOSasac, thank you for everything...I'm going to study now :(05:19
AlinuxOSsee ya... later ;)05:19
asacAlinuxOS: ok if there are no captials then its ok to map that to any keyboard i guess05:22
AlinuxOSaha ;)05:23
AlinuxOSyou're right.05:23
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jeromegUbulette: is bug 125896 still an issue for you ?05:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125896 in liferea "[gutsy]  liferea 1.4rc1 search folders broken " [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12589605:27
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asaccwong1: did you ask your artist about the transparent png logos for Launchpad?06:32
asac(low prio) :)06:32
cwong1He was out yesterday. I will talk to him today.06:33
asaccool06:33
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asaccwong1: btw, today I received the device :)07:02
asaccwong1: i need to get a power adapter, because it has US plug :)07:03
cwong1asac: good07:03
asaccwong1: but when i have that I will ask you to tell me how to get the system on it :)07:03
asace.g. whats the best install method07:03
asacCD?07:03
cwong1asac: r u referring to our image?07:04
asacyes ... how can i instlal UME on that device ;)07:04
cwong1asac: use a 2gb usb drive07:04
asacah ... so run it from external drive?07:04
cwong1asac: just follow the instruction in www.moblin.org07:04
asacok07:04
cwong1asac: select live usbrw not the install07:04
cwong1asac: install will wipe out the vista07:05
asacyeah ... i think that won't be a big problem for me ... though it might come handy to take a look and see how they deal with things07:05
asacso usbrw would be fine i think07:05
cwong1yeap07:06
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gnomefreak1 down only 73 more pages for today08:23
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asacubotu: a8 is out10:21
ubotuI'll remember that, asac10:21
asacUbulette: a8 is out10:21
asac!forget a810:21
ubotuI'll forget that, asac10:21
Aondoanyone else having strange font behavour around the letter "f"? in firefox seems like other letters get hidden behind it or something. it's not pretty. (happens on a new user profile as well)10:27
gnomefreaknope and ive been burning up firefox and openoffice for the last 24 hours including all night last night10:32
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gnomefreakasac: ive seen alot of network-manager issues in #ubuntu+1 the past 24-36 hours. im not able to say the exact issue for any since im just passing through it but ive seen alot of networ-manager complaint10:46
gnomefreaks10:46
gnomefreakasac: 16:43 <          CountX > Jordan_U: no internet works now10:47
gnomefreak16:43 <          CountX > Jordan_U: the little icon in the top for the network went  away and i cant uset he internet in any way now10:47
gnomefreakthats one10:47
gnomefreakkind of confusing they are talking about sound and network not working now10:48
gnomefreakasac: does n-m look for esd for any reason?10:57
asacgnomefreak: nm appears to crash when supplicant fails10:59
gnomefreaksupplicant?10:59
gnomefreakwpa?10:59
asacwpasupplicant10:59
asacyes10:59
asaci saw those bugs ... for some reason they became more frequent now10:59
asacgnomefreak: are you in #ubuntu+1 ?11:00
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gnomefreakalways :(11:00
asacgnomefreak: maybe you can tap in a find out if the issue is after starting11:00
asace.g. does nm crash after startup?11:00
asacand if you restart it by:11:00
asac/etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart11:00
asacsudo /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart11:00
asacdoes it work well then?11:00
asacgnomefreak: esd is unrelated11:01
asacfor sure11:01
gnomefreakthats what i thought too11:01
asacgnomefreak: they should try to restart nm like above11:01
asacmaybe it helps11:01
gnomefreakok11:01
asacif possible _don't_ get them in this channel ... it always exausting to talk to random users11:02
asac:)11:02
gnomefreaknot going to11:03
=== gnomefreak hates copying and pasting when i should be resting but lets see what happens
gnomefreaki told him to try it11:03
asacgnomefreak: how is your health?11:04
asacbad?11:04
gnomefreakgetting better11:04
gnomefreakalot of fucking stress but other than that a little pain11:04
asacstress?11:05
asacubuntu?11:05
asacubuntu should be fun for you ;)11:05
gnomefreakmight be a firmware issue11:06
gnomefreakno court stress11:06
asacoh11:06
asaci am sure you will see better days11:06
asacgnomefreak: firmware issue?11:06
gnomefreak17:06 <          CountX > gnomefreak: yeah i used the restricted-manager to get  bcm43xx firmware, then it crashed11:06
gnomefreakisnt the bcm43xx still blacklisted?11:07
gnomefreakor atleast not really added to kernel support11:07
=== gnomefreak was gone for a while and havent heard anything on that
asacbcm43xx with firare cutter worked perfectly11:07
asachere for mw11:07
asacme11:07
gnomefreakthe commands above worked11:07
asacgnomefreak: ok ... what other issues about nm have you seen?11:07
gnomefreakthe wired command works11:08
gnomefreakasac: all night last night they were talking about it but i dont have logs handy11:08
gnomefreakhes trying wireless11:08
gnomefreakasac: how to search for wireless networ in range?11:09
asacif network manager applet doesn't suggest any his wireless interface is probably not managed by nm11:10
gnomefreakhes looking11:10
asacto make his interface network manager manged he should set the device to "roaming mode" in gnome network-admin11:11
gnomefreakhe has it set to roaming we just asked him11:12
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gnomefreaksomeone is walking him through the whole wireless thing atm11:19
gnomefreakim assuming its gonna work since open networks dont have this issue11:19
gnomefreakiwlist doesnt show any networks11:25
gnomefreakis this a bad thing?11:25
gnomefreaki think he says it works11:26
gnomefreakasac: the command above just fix it for this boot?11:26
gnomefreaki dont remmber commands11:26
asacgnomefreak: iwlist has to be run with sudo11:27
asacotherwise it won't actively scan for network11:27
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gnomefreaki keep telling them file a damn bug i dont maintain those packages and they dont listen :(11:29
gnomefreaklol @ CountX > gnomefreak: it says that eth1 doesnt support scanning, and  there is no such device11:29
gnomefreakok im out for a bit its the guys birthday and he really wants it working but hes not sure since he has a bunch of people there so i told him to comment on a bug that is the same as i told him11:32
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Ubulettehi11:35
asacwelcome11:37
Ubuletteasac, gnomefreak, did you guys work on a8 ?11:37
Ubuletteit's been out since this morning11:37
asacnope i just saw the announcement11:37
gnomefreaki don thave time to do it i have a shit load of docs to type for court11:37
asacsince we won't get this in for beta ... we have a week time to get this ready for gutsy upload11:38
Ubuletteand me some slides for a talk tomorrow morning...11:38
Ubulettehm11:38
asacUbulette: yes i can do that ... my work-queue is clearing up11:38
asaci just have to take care that my intrusive nm + ifupdown changes are in line11:38
asacfor beta11:39
Ubulettewell, there's the 2 ff gp/trunk branches to bring to our new scheme11:39
asacyes11:39
Ubuletteeven before we bring a8 in11:39
asacif they have a common ancestor we can just prepare a8 in trunk branch ... rename package et al11:40
asacand then merge the result over to gp branch11:40
asacof course renaming the branches accordingly11:40
Ubulettei would I loved to do that but I'm not able to do so today and I'm off this w-e too11:40
Ubulettegp and trunk are really distinct11:40
asacUbulette: unless something exceptional happens, i can do that11:40
asacUbulette: its just enough that they have a common ancestor11:41
asacotherwise its a mess :)11:41
asac... anyway ...11:41
gnomefreakbefore i leave are you going to as for an exception to get nm and ifupdown in for beta?11:42
asacgnomefreak: ?11:42
asacwhat do you mean?11:42
asacthey are in11:42
gnomefreakasac: the fixes?11:43
asacwhich fixes?11:43
asacthe crash ok ... but for ifupdown i don't know of any bug11:43
gnomefreakyou said you had to get them in line for beta11:43
asacyeah ... i have to fix nm crashes11:43
gnomefreakand since beta freeze are you able to get them in before beta release?11:43
gnomefreakor atleat for beta release11:44
asacUbulette: its firefox-3.0.dev + firefox-3.0, right?11:44
Ubuletteright11:44
Ubulettemaybe commit 18 is the last common link11:45
asacok what would need to be done except source/binary package rename + introducing a transition package11:45
Ubulettethat old11:45
Ubulettestarting from dev, drop the minefield branding, change appname and adapt the patches. should be enough11:46
Ubuletteadapt = s/trunk/whatever/ and refresh patches11:47
asacUbulette: what i don't understand is why the branches did diverge so long ago11:47
gnomefreakok really out this time11:48
asacgnomefreak: good luck11:48
asaccu11:48
gnomefreakcu11:48
Ubuletteasac, not my fault, it started long before I arrived here11:49
asacyeah i see tht11:49
Ubulettemaybe just forget about the previous gp branch. just start from previous trunk (now ff-3.0.dev)11:50
asacyes, I just fear to loose something i added on gp branch that was important :)11:51
Ubulettejust diff the two. I think I got it all11:52
asacyes will take two hours for this tomorrow ... at least11:53
asacmessy bits11:53
asacluckily this will have an end then ;)11:53
Ubulette:)11:53
asacthis firefox branch mess alone is enough to justify to do this consolidation11:54
UbuletteI agree12:00
Ubuletteand I have to update mozclient too12:00
Ubulettemozilla bug 83896012:29
Ubulettemozilla bug 37733612:29
ubotuMozilla bug 377336 in Printing "Printing a page results in Frozen App for a few minutes - Excessive data spooled to the Printer" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37733612:29
Ubuletteb=838960, ugprade cairo to 1.5.x; and b=377336, printing page from win32 results in hung app, r=stuart12:29
Ubulettehuge cairo and libpixman upgrade12:30
Ubuletteasac, ^^12:30
asachmm ... so does that fix your print preview issue?12:32
asacso they fixed it by cairo 1.5 upgrade?12:32
asacthey appear to have no clue 1.5 is not a stable branch afaik.12:33
Ubulettedont know. forgot to update my bot for yesterday's branch renames so all moz stuff ftbfs-ed :O12:34
asachehe12:34
asacright12:34
asaci hope they didn't bump to cairo 1.512:34
Ubuletteseems they did12:35
Ubulettevlad did12:35
asacyeah12:35
asaci see the bug12:35
asacit starts with: Tracking bug for the cairo upgrade to 1.4.8.12:35
asacbut then title reads ... different12:35
Ubulettebenjamin seems to be working on cvs->hg12:36
Ubulettehttp://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/?rev/a51e9fb65b8a12:36
asacUbulette: i don't see a final comment from vlad in the cairo tracker bug12:37
asacyou sure they landed 1.5?12:37
Ubulettei've seen the commit on bonsai12:37
asachopefully they remove dthe asserts and use pristine cairo at least now12:39
asaci think i have to ask vlad ... i mean maybe they have the false illusion that cairo 1.6 will be ready until they ship ffox 312:50
Ubuletteplz do :)12:53
asacotoh i think one of the thebes devs is a cairo dev, so maybe they know what they do12:55
Ubulettemaybe01:00
Ubulettemy bot just built the nspr and nss.head branches.01:01
=== gnomefreak almost done finally only 20 something more to do
Ubuletteasac, strange, xul is still 1.9a8pre upstream01:09

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