[01:19] <Ubulette> asac, can I/you rename nss-svn.debian.org.trunk ? s/-/./
[01:19] <Ubulette> at least
[01:28] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, when the new LP will be released ?
[01:28] <Ubulette> s/new/next/
[01:28] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: dont know
[01:29] <gnomefreak> last i heard this week but hter eis no telling
[01:29] <Ubulette> same time as ppa ?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> i doubt PPA will be released with 1.1.9 last i heard they havent made much headway with features but that really doesnt mean much i wouldnt think
[01:32] <Ubulette> don't they have a blog/rss when they speak about that ?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> asac: do have plans on releasing 2.0.0.7 this week?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: not that i know of
[01:34] <gnomefreak> just the mailing list
[01:35] <gnomefreak> We were planning to release Launchpad 1.1.9 on Wednesday the 19th
[01:35] <gnomefreak> September. Following quality assurance testing, we've chosen to delay
[01:35] <gnomefreak> the release to allow for further testing.
[01:35] <gnomefreak> We'll post updates to the launchpad-users mailing list and via the
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Launchpad News blog at http://news.launchpad.net/
[01:35] <gnomefreak> good timing
[01:35] <gnomefreak> i found that in email right after i commented
[01:36] <Ubulette> "The next release of Launchpad is due on the 19th September."
[01:36] <Ubulette> hmm
[01:36] <Ubulette> yesterday for me
[01:38] <asac> gnomefreak: no its win only issue
[01:38] <gnomefreak> no its released for mac win and linux
[01:38] <Ubulette> Bug 43808
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43808 in launchpad-bazaar "Create and display bug-branch from the branch page" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43808
[01:39] <gnomefreak> oh you mean the bug?
[01:39] <asac> gnomefreak: its a spinoff release that just fixes one bug
[01:39] <asac> gnomefreak: that bug is win only
[01:39] <asac> gnomefreak: they released all because of techinical issues
[01:39] <gnomefreak> omg
[01:39] <gnomefreak> thats stupid
[01:39] <gnomefreak> release win only for win only fix but hell fix 30 things not 1
[01:40] <asac> gnomefreak: hey
[01:40] <asac> gnomefreak: thank god they didn't
[01:40] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:40] <gnomefreak> true
[01:40] <gnomefreak> but i cant see a whole upgrade for one issue
[01:40] <asac> gnomefreak: i hate that ... i have to backport stuff ... if they do out of schedule mass bug-fixes its really a big pain
[01:40] <gnomefreak> seems like a waste unless it was a big issue
[01:40] <gnomefreak> so we will wait for 2.0.0.8?
[01:40] <asac> its important to have a more or less reliable schedule
[01:41] <asac> yes ... because 2.0.0.7 doesn't fix anything for us
[01:41] <gnomefreak> lol we wont get 2.0.0.8 for atleast another month or 2
[01:41] <asac> no ... this is a non-regular release
[01:42] <asac> they will just push the planned release back for a week or so
[01:42] <asac> so 2-3 weeks is my guess
[01:42] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:42] <gnomefreak> cool
[01:43] <gnomefreak> asac: btw if you comment on the iceape bug in debian about not recommending -gnome-support tell him thats why it a recommend not a depend
[01:43] <asac> gnomefreak: my bug backlog is huge
[01:43] <asac> i will probably not come to that for a few days
[01:44] <Ubulette> i've renamed the branches
[01:44] <gnomefreak> debian bug 443219
[01:44] <ubotu> Debian bug 443219 in iceape-browser "iceape-browser: should not recommend iceape-gnome-support" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/443219
[01:44] <Ubulette> updated nspr source name
[01:45] <Ubulette> updated nspr.dev source name but not nspr as it will prevent the pull
[01:46] <Ubulette> i have a problem with nss. I've renamed my own branch nss.head, 2 or 3 commits ahead of nss.dev, itself ahead of nss
[01:46] <asac> gnomefreak: i think the claim is that it should suggest it
[01:46] <Ubulette> how can I change source name?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> what differnece does it make debians apt doesnt install recommends unless they changed that the same time we did
[01:46] <asac> Ubulette: source name?
[01:47] <Ubulette> package source name
[01:47] <asac> Ubulette: i don't think i understand your question
[01:47] <asac> in changelog?
[01:47] <Ubulette> control
[01:47] <Ubulette> Source:
[01:47] <asac> to what?
[01:48] <asac> is that your question?
[01:48] <Ubulette> not to what as I thought we agreed on that. but to how ?
[01:48] <asac> no idea... pick one ;)
[01:48] <asac> nss3
[01:48] <asac> or wait
[01:48] <Ubulette> eh ?
[01:49] <asac> just use nss
[01:49] <Ubulette> yes
[01:49] <asac> thats the name of the official package
[01:49] <Ubulette> but to which of the 3 branches ?
[01:50] <Ubulette> would be logical to push to head, then pull dev, then plain nss
[01:50] <asac> its always the "release branch" that doesn't have a suffix imo
[01:50] <asac> s/pull/merge/ ... yes
[01:51] <Ubulette> but head is a tarball away already
[01:51] <asac> yes ... i think we cannot get rid of a branch
[01:51] <asac> head can follow real HEAD
[01:51] <Ubulette> yep
[01:51] <Ubulette> that's the idea
[01:52] <Ubulette> so we forget about merging head in dev ?
[01:52] <Ubulette> or cherry pick maybe
[01:52] <asac> point is we should not try to use real head for our dev releases
[01:52] <Ubulette> that i agree
[01:52] <asac> cherry-picking the right firefox/xulrunner revision is straight forward
[01:53] <asac> but how do we find the right nss/nspr revision on head
[01:53] <asac> (given that head is always perfect)
[01:53] <asac> i think we need the dev branch ... because we might need to bump changelog a-posteriori
[01:54] <asac> as we never know where the next tag might be set we might not have the proper changelog committed to head
[01:54] <Ubulette> today, the 3 branches are in sync. rev 13, 15, 17 respectively
[01:54] <asac> and updating/commiting changelog version for each update on head would be too much?
[01:54] <asac> i am not sure, maybe thats even ok
[01:55] <asac> i mean whenever your bot receives a checkin it should bump changelog, try to build and if build successful, commit with a parsable commit message :)
[01:56] <Ubulette> it does just that
[01:56] <asac> to your local bzr?
[01:56] <Ubulette> oh no
[01:56] <Ubulette> to a local db
[01:57] <asac> why not to local bzr?
[01:57] <Ubulette> could be anything
[01:57] <asac> do you still have .bzr dir in your build tree?
[01:57] <Ubulette> no
[01:57] <asac> or do you use export or something
[01:58] <asac> if you would do that it would be simple to commit and auto push i guess
[01:58] <Ubulette> I drop the tree at the end of the build. I just keep logs and all the files produced
[01:58] <asac> no no
[01:59] <asac> my questin is if the .bzr directory is in tree during build ;)
[01:59] <Ubulette> oh.. hm. no, I drop it before it gets there
[02:00] <Ubulette> but I can probably keep it
[02:00] <asac> yes ... then if build succeeds just do bzr commit -m "CHECKPOINT: 20070606t1231 successfully build."
[02:01] <asac> and bzr push
[02:01] <asac> to publish to head ;)
[02:01] <asac> actually you could also commit if it fails ;)
[02:02] <asac> bzr commit -m "CHECKPOINT: 20070606t1231 failed to build - RED LIGHT BLINKING."
[02:03] <asac> then i would add a bot here that regularaly looks at top log entry on .head branch and adds the info that tree is broken to TOPIC :)
[02:03] <asac> what a tailored thing ;)
[02:04] <asac> anyway ... the question still remains: "how to easily identify the right nss/nspr revision"
[02:04] <Ubulette> I have a dozen or more reasons for failure, some not related to build, but that's possible. I'll think about it.
[02:05] <asac> actually the build failure commit was more like a brainstorming thing ... nothing well thought out
[02:06] <Ubulette> btw, I can probably just export the logs and the reports within my minirepos
[02:06] <Ubulette> I have an internal web portal quite similar to lp :)
[02:07] <asac> but that doesn't help us in forking of bzr checkpoints to our release branches
[02:07] <asac> or is it unrelated?
[02:07] <Ubulette> unrelated
[02:08] <asac> yes logs would be fine
[02:08] <Ubulette> just brainstorming too :)
[02:09] <asac> Ubulette: ok lets go this way for now:
[02:09] <Ubulette> i also plan to preserve the last x successful builds
[02:09] <asac> until nss/nspr are uploaded to gutsy we don't have any problems
[02:09] <asac> we just use nss.HEAD and nspr.HEAD ... and plain nss/nspr
[02:09] <asac> plain nss/nspr would serve as ppa release branch for now
[02:10] <asac> once we upload to gutsy we can do something
[02:12] <Ubulette> so I drop, nss (rev13), rename nss.dev (rev15) to nss, keep nss.head (rev18 now)
[02:14] <asac> Ubulette: dropping is bad ... better merge nss.dev on nss and then mark nss.dev as merged in launchpad
[02:15] <Ubulette> if you prefer, bzr log will show no difference
[02:16] <asac> he?
[02:16] <asac> there is one commit in nss that isn't in nss.dev
[02:16] <asac> if you merge your merge will be one major revision in bzr log ... with subcommits nested
[02:16] <asac> otherwise it will stay flat
[02:17] <Ubulette> you want non flat ? I thought you didn't
[02:17] <asac> just try cd nss; bzr merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.dev; bzr commit -m "merging branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.dev"
[02:17] <asac> thats what i mean
[02:18] <asac> the look at bzr log |more
[02:19] <asac> too bad nm failed to build on amd64
[02:19] <asac> because of missing depends
[02:19] <asac> same for ia64
[02:21] <Ubulette> you didn't try on your own box ?
[02:22] <asac> yes i did
[02:22] <asac> i think its just a matter of giving back once the gnome stuff is build
[02:23] <asac> hopefully tomorrow
[02:32] <Ubulette> asac, got some diffs ?
[02:40] <Ubulette> asac, nss/nspr/xul should be ok. ff need serious work.
[02:40] <Ubulette> but not today
[02:41] <asac> yes got the diffs for nss
[02:41] <asac> and nspr
[02:43] <asac> i am out for this night
[02:44] <Ubulette> me too
[02:44] <Ubulette> 'night
[02:44] <gnomefreak> me 3
[03:44] <beans> when will we be able to apt-get firefox 2.0.0.7 ?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> asac: Ubulette  do either of you have the songbird svn link if your awake or here
[08:57] <gnomefreak> i got it nvm forgot i filed bug with the info on it
[09:05] <gnomefreak> !info nspluginwrapper gutsy
[09:05] <ubotu> Package nspluginwrapper does not exist in gutsy
[09:05] <gnomefreak> yes it does
[09:05] <gnomefreak> !info nspluginwrapper
[09:05] <ubotu> Package nspluginwrapper does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:26] <gnomefreak> asac: im looking at fixing nspluginwrapper bug but its just a depend bug easy to fix do you have any other fixes that need to be done? i looked at bugs and there wasnt enough info on them to seek a fix, let me know if you want me to wait a bit or go ahead and fix the depend right now depends on linux32 and should depend on util-linux since it brings in linux32 and conflicts with linux32 (is this worth uploading for just this fix?
[09:26] <gnomefreak> maybe tomorrow ill fix it and make a branch for it
[09:29] <gnomefreak> its already 3:30
[09:29] <gnomefreak> :(
[09:31] <gnomefreak> ok im going for smoke than gonna lay down and try to get some sleep so i can be awake for more paperwork
[10:32] <asac> gnomefreak: what bug?
[10:32] <gnomefreak> i knew you would ask that :(
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ill find it in a minute
[10:33] <gnomefreak> does tbird import CSV for addressbook?
[10:33] <asac> no idea :)
[10:34] <gnomefreak> 138265
[10:34] <gnomefreak> bug 138265
[10:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138265 in nspluginwrapper "Nspluginwrapper depencies should be updated" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138265
[10:34] <gnomefreak> asac: i looked it up and hes right on what he stated about depends
[10:35] <gnomefreak> btw tbirds --help page can use some clean up
[10:35] <gnomefreak> its all over the place
[10:35] <asac> is that true?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> about the deps?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> yes very much so
[10:35] <gnomefreak> show util-linux
[10:36] <gnomefreak> or whateve rthe package is it contains linux32 and under conflicts it lists linux32
[10:36] <gnomefreak> cant understand why it would conflict with it if it installs it anyway
[10:36] <asac> well ... but it should not be broken
[10:36] <asac> because util-linux provides linux32
[10:37] <gnomefreak> thats why the conflict bothers me a bit
[10:37] <asac> no util-linux now provides linux32
[10:37] <gnomefreak> why would it conflict with it if its gonna install it
[10:37] <asac> so installingb linux32 should bring you util-linux
[10:37] <gnomefreak> let me check that
[10:38] <asac> anyway ... we can update that
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
[10:38] <gnomefreak> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! util-linux
[10:38] <asac> yeah
[10:38] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[10:38] <asac> thats bullshit
[10:38] <asac> so is freeze lifted?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> i guess remove it from depends and just add until-linux
[10:39] <gnomefreak> asac: no it just started afaik
[10:39] <asac> aeh inforst
[10:39] <asac> i mean ;)
[10:39] <asac> enforced
[10:39] <asac> damn
[10:39] <gnomefreak> today is the day we freeze
[10:39] <gnomefreak> for a week :(
[10:39] <asac> is it already started?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> im not sure what time it starts
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ive been up all night and havent seen anyone say anything other than today we freeze
[10:40] <gnomefreak> is tbird in main now?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> i think it is but cant remember
[10:40] <asac> its always been in main
[10:40] <gnomefreak> edgy it was in universe iirc
[10:41] <gnomefreak> there was a bug to move it to main (i remmber commenting on it) but it was a long time ago
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: ok i milestoned the bug and assigned to me
[10:42] <asac> i will try to get this in during freeze then
[10:47] <gnomefreak> k
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: tbird handles CSV but it handles it like shit
[10:48] <gnomefreak> it imporrts the address book but it leaves the display and email fields blank and just lists first name and email under last name
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna try to get some sleep since its alread almost 5am
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... i doubt that there is a standard csv format for emails
[03:19] <cwong1> asac: ping
[03:26] <asac> cwong1: hey
[03:27] <cwong1> asac: can you make a release with the latest from WORKING, please?
[03:28] <asac> hmmm ... how about adding more features?
[03:28] <asac> btw, the archive is frozen anyway ... so lets use this week to add more things we want.
[03:29] <cwong1> ok
[03:29] <cwong1> I am working on the signleton stuff now
[03:30] <asac> singleton?
[03:30] <asac> whats that?
[03:31] <cwong1> We are not going to allow more than 1 copy of browser running at the same time
[03:31] <asac> and how do you prevent that from happening? just through config?
[03:32] <cwong1> I added a bug to launchpad on this.
[03:32] <asac> ok
[03:32] <asac> ah cool a few more bugs ;)
[03:32] <cwong1> Need a service file and some code at startup to check for it.
[03:32] <cwong1> Also, we need to remove "New Window" feature from browser.
[03:32] <asac> cwong1: are you aware of the fact that there is no more than one instance running anyway?
[03:33] <asac> its just new windows
[03:33] <asac> so if you stop the start code to do anything on startup you will break the "open new link from outside applications" ...
[03:34] <cwong1> ah...
[03:34] <asac> cwong1: i will add the infos needed to the bug
[03:34] <cwong1> ok
[03:34] <asac> cwong1: "replace it with "Load URL into the same Window"."
[03:34] <cwong1> yes
[03:35] <asac> we can use "open links in new tab"
[03:35] <asac> is that suitable as well?
[03:35] <cwong1> also I need to raise the window to the top
[03:35] <cwong1> new tab is a good option
[03:35] <asac> cwong1: ok thats just settings ...  we have that in gutsy firefox already
[03:36] <cwong1> which setting?
[03:36] <asac> can you still access the preferences dialog?
[03:36] <cwong1> I though this is the default
[03:37] <asac> no idea if its the default ... we should verify
[03:37] <asac> cwong1: try to open chrome://browser/content/preferences/preferences.xul
[03:37] <asac> in location bar
[03:38] <asac> then verify that in Content ... its set to "in new tab"
[03:38] <asac> "New pages should be opened" ... a new tab
[03:38] <asac> is that what is currently set?
[03:38] <cwong1> It is the default.
[03:39] <asac> ok ... so are there any bugs you see? e.g. links from external applications still open a new window?
[03:40] <cwong1> not sure.  But we still need to remove the "New window" menu from the popup
[03:40] <asac> yes, but thats trivial i guess, right?
[03:40] <cwong1> yes
[03:41] <cwong1> ok, I will take a look at this and take care of it
[03:41] <cwong1> what about hildonize the window?
[03:41] <asac> cwong1: cool ... ok one more thing for the link thing
[03:41] <asac> look at about:config
[03:41] <asac> search for browser.link
[03:41] <cwong1> ok
[03:41] <asac> you will see the settings browser.link.open_external
[03:41] <asac> browser.link.open_newwindow
[03:42] <asac> both should be 3, right?
[03:42] <asac> maybe you want to set open_external to 1 ... or even 0 (no idea which setting)
[03:43] <cwong1> yes both are 3
[03:43] <asac> i think there should be a value that will open in the current active tab
[03:43] <asac> (if that is what we want)
[03:43] <cwong1> ok.  I will give that a try
[03:43] <asac> anyway ... i think opening a new tab is good
[03:43] <asac> we just have to decide if we want the new tab to be active or the old tab
[03:43] <cwong1> agree
[03:43] <asac> i think default is to keep the old tab in foreground
[03:43] <cwong1> the new tab most likely
[03:44] <asac> yeah ... we should research why the firefox default is on keep old tab
[03:44] <asac> there might be a sane reason :)
[03:44] <asac> (in usability)
[03:44] <asac> (or confusion) ;)
[03:45] <asac> but maybe its different for us because of the different screen layout approach
[03:45] <cwong1> yes, I will let the usability folks tell me what to do after they do the study
[03:45] <cwong1> :)
[03:46] <cwong1> what about hildonize toplevel window?
[03:46] <asac> cwong1: i commented in bug afaik
[03:46] <asac> bug 140525
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140525 in midbrowser "hildonize the toplevel window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140525
[03:47] <asac> cwong1: basically the idea is that we hildonize by implementing hildon features in our hildon service component
[03:47] <asac> cwong1: as the hildon api is too GTK focussed
[03:47] <asac> and firefox/midbrowser isn't a real gtk application
[03:48] <asac> so we should analyse the hildon features we want and i can implement them
[03:48] <cwong1> So eveytime we goto a different page, we need to reset the title.
[03:48] <asac> can you add that info to the bug
[03:48] <asac> ?
[03:48] <cwong1> ok
[03:48] <asac> e.g. add cases that don't work
[03:49] <cwong1> ok
[03:49] <asac> you can add examples of missing hildonfeatures to the summary
[03:49] <asac> by editing description/tags
[03:49] <asac> great
[03:49] <cwong1> I will do that.  Goto go.  Need to get kid ready to school and go to work.
[03:49] <cwong1> talk to u later.
[03:49] <asac> cwong1: ah still at home
[03:49] <asac> kudos
[03:49] <asac> cu
[03:50] <asac> hi AlinuxOS
[03:50] <AlinuxOS> Hello all,
[03:50] <cwong1> cu
[03:50] <asac> so what is the case?
[03:50] <AlinuxOS> hello asac
[03:50] <asac> i tested all here
[03:50] <asac> e.g. i installed all .debs and then looked at each locale one time
[03:51] <AlinuxOS> here is my latest apt-get upgrade result:
[03:51] <AlinuxOS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37985/
[03:51] <asac> AlinuxOS: can you please paste that again to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:51] <asac> ah ok
[03:51] <asac> btw paste.ubuntu.com exists now ;)
[03:51] <AlinuxOS> asac, great!!!
[03:51] <AlinuxOS> finally :D
[03:52] <AlinuxOS> I sometimes I don't remeber about ubuntu-nl :D
[03:52] <asac> AlinuxOS: please tell me which version the mozilla-firefox-locale-ka that you have installed has
[03:52] <asac> its probably a hand crafted thing (3rd party package)
[03:52] <asac> but pleaes tell me
[03:52] <asac> what i asked before you remove it
[03:53] <AlinuxOS> mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge 2.0.0.1ubuntu-1
[03:53] <AlinuxOS> and it's not hand made...
[03:53] <AlinuxOS> it's official update
[03:53] <asac> AlinuxOS: where do you have it rom?=
[03:53] <asac> really?
[03:53] <asac> let me look
[03:53] <AlinuxOS> yes.
[03:54] <AlinuxOS> asac, I can also try to purge that.... but upgrade had ^ this kind of problems.
[03:54] <AlinuxOS> so I contacted you to be sure.
[03:54] <asac> AlinuxOS: no
[03:55] <asac> not the version of that package, but the one of mozilla-firefox-locale-ka
[03:55] <asac> i want
[03:56] <AlinuxOS> asac, howto see that ? (I'm confused little bit) :)
[03:56] <asac> dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> ||/ Name                       Version                    Description
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> +++-[03:57] <AlinuxOS> ii  mozilla-firefox-locale-ka  2.0.0.7-0ubuntu1           Mozilla Firefox Georgian language/region package
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> alinux@brugherio:~/Desktop$
[03:58] <AlinuxOS> asac, I've purged mozilla-firefox-locale-ka
[03:58] <AlinuxOS> and made sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <AlinuxOS> everything installed now.
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> but when I launch Firefox
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> I got a pop-up window
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> with a message:
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> <window id="main-window"
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> ^    <menuitem id="menu_HelpPopup_reportPhishingtoolmenu"
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> ----^    <menuitem id="menu_HelpPopup_reportertoolmenu"
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> ----^    <menu id="helpMenu"
[03:59] <AlinuxOS> ----^
[04:01] <AlinuxOS> asac, I restart X server.
[04:01] <AlinuxOS> see you soon
[04:09] <bluekuja_> asac: you there?
[04:09] <asac> any probs?
[04:10] <bluekuja_> asac: bitstormlite made a new upstream release
[04:10] <bluekuja_> that fixes that problem
[04:10] <bluekuja_> he added a .desktop too
[04:10] <bluekuja_> the package is ready
[04:10] <asac> bluekuja_: you know the procedure ;)
[04:10] <bluekuja_> asac: yup, diff.gz etc on mail this time?
[04:11] <bluekuja_> (we dont have a branch for it)
[04:12] <asac> bluekuja_: yes ... maybe consider to setup a branch ... its easier to share
[04:12] <bluekuja_> and making a debdiff of a new upstream is not good
[04:12] <asac> right
[04:12] <bluekuja_> asac: ok, this time I send you a mail, and gonna setup a branch for future use
[04:12] <bluekuja_> ;)
[04:17] <asac> bluekuja_: please don't put the orig et al in the maiul
[04:17] <asac> better provide links to download
[04:18] <bluekuja_> asac: mmm
[04:18] <bluekuja_> need to find an host then
[04:18] <bluekuja_> ^^
[04:18] <bluekuja_> asac: gonna setup my server
[04:18] <bluekuja_> again
[04:19] <asac> bluekuja_: get an alioth account
[04:19] <asac> you can put files there
[04:20] <bluekuja_> asac: I have alioth already
[04:20] <bluekuja_> asac: only in a project or personal use?
[04:22] <asac> give it a try
[04:22] <asac> no idea ... should be project independent
[04:22] <bluekuja_> let me see
[04:23] <asac> another option is mentors.debian.net
[04:23] <asac> which is basically revu for debian
[04:25] <bluekuja_> asac: yeah, but I have to register et all
[04:25] <bluekuja_> I gonna setup my server for you again
[04:25] <asac> AlinuxOS: the reason for this was confusion ... so now all should be fine
[04:25] <asac> bluekuja_: alioth should work
[04:25] <AlinuxOS> asac, what should I do so ?
[04:25] <bluekuja_> asac: I dont see anything related to personal package upload
[04:26] <AlinuxOS> I'm using epiphany-browser :)
[04:26] <AlinuxOS> my mozilla is dead  :)
[04:26] <bluekuja_> asac: I can make a dir inside gnome-bt project
[04:26] <bluekuja_> with bitstormlite name
[04:31] <asac> AlinuxOS: ah ... so the locale is broken now?
[04:32] <AlinuxOS> asac, http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/firefox.png
[04:33] <asac> whats that ... the start page?
[04:34] <asac> AlinuxOS: you sure you removed the other locale package?
[04:35] <AlinuxOS> asac, yes with --purge
[04:35] <asac> reinstall the other locale package
[04:35] <asac> uninstall ... start firefox
[04:35] <asac> install again
[04:36] <asac> AlinuxOS: please paste output of locale command
[04:36] <AlinuxOS> asac, ok.
[04:37] <bluekuja_> asac: ftp://gnome-btdownload.alioth.debian.org/pub/gnome-btdownload/bitstormlite
[04:37] <asac> which version is installed?
[04:37] <AlinuxOS> I reinstall them.
[04:37] <asac> AlinuxOS: mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge?
[04:37] <asac> i don't remember anymore
[04:37] <AlinuxOS> yes
[04:37] <bluekuja_> asac: if you find any problem, ping me
[04:37] <bluekuja_> or leave me a message
[04:37] <bluekuja_> leaving now, cya
[04:38] <asac> AlinuxOS: yes? which version i asked :)
[04:39] <AlinuxOS> 2.0.0.7-0ubuntu1
[04:39] <AlinuxOS> I'm reinstalling it.
[04:43] <asac> AlexLatchford_: thats the wrong version
[04:43] <asac> AlexLatchford_: sorry ... unping
[04:44] <asac> AlinuxOS: the wrong version
[04:44] <asac> and you again do reinstall mozilla-firefox-locale-ka ... not mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge
[04:44] <asac> don't do that
[04:44] <AlinuxOS> asac, it's ok now.
[04:44] <asac> wait till mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge arrives
[04:44] <asac> AlinuxOS: remove that package and wait for mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge  2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1
[04:45] <asac> AlinuxOS: or manually get it from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/amd64/mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge/2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1
[04:45] <AlinuxOS> asac, now everything works
[04:45] <asac> AlinuxOS: yes but you will be stuck forever
[04:45] <asac> follow my advice
[04:45] <asac> ;)
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> asac, forever' :D
[04:46] <asac> uninstall it ... live 2 days without translation
[04:46] <asac> and then install the right package
[04:46] <asac> mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge
[04:46] <asac> 2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> alinux@brugherio:~$ dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> ||/ Name                          Version                       Description
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> +++-[04:46] <AlinuxOS> ii  mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge  2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1            Mozilla Firefox Georgian language/region package
[04:46] <AlinuxOS> should I remove it?
[04:46] <asac> yes
[04:46] <asac> then its fine
[04:46] <asac> no you told me above
[04:47] <asac> 16:36 < AlinuxOS> 2.0.0.7-0ubuntu1
[04:47] <asac> 16:36 < AlinuxOS> I'm reinstalling it.
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> aaah :D
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> looolz
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> no no it was another misterious package! :D
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> now everything works :)
[04:47] <AlinuxOS> 2.0.0.7+1-0ubuntu1 <-- it's OK
[04:48] <AlinuxOS> asac, Vielen Dank! :)
[04:48] <asac> np
[04:49] <bluekuja_> here for 1 more minute
[04:49] <bluekuja_> asac: did you copied out that link?
[04:49] <bluekuja_> or want me to mail it to you?
[04:49] <asac> mail please
[04:49] <bluekuja_> ok
[04:49] <asac> i will sponsor asap
[04:49] <AlinuxOS> asac, I love this idea of ubuntu-mozilla team :)
[04:49] <AlinuxOS> I'll bugging you here then :P
[04:49] <asac> thanks :)
[04:50] <AlinuxOS> asac, keine problem! :)
[04:50] <AlinuxOS> lool
[04:50] <bluekuja_> ok sent
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> asac, enjoy Georgian Firefox with me: http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/firefox.png
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[04:52] <asac> yes i already saw that when testing the intial upload i did
[04:53] <AlinuxOS> asac, If you like Georgian locale you can use it like your main locale ;) I'll be happy!
[04:53] <AlinuxOS> Geo Firefox Rocks :)
[04:54] <asac> AlinuxOS: well ... readability is obviously an issue here ;)
[04:54] <AlinuxOS> looolz ;)
[04:54] <asac> AlinuxOS: i better wait till other languages consolidate their alphabet :)
[04:55] <AlinuxOS> :)
[04:55] <AlinuxOS> Georgian alphabet is ancient alphabet :)
[04:55] <asac> which imo can be a competitive disadvantage in the world economy
[04:55] <AlinuxOS> and there is 4 alphabets.
[04:55] <asac> take thai language ... imo its good that people are proud of their history, but its not efficient
[04:55] <AlinuxOS> used only one for modern Georgian.
[04:56] <asac> they don't even have spaces between words
[04:56] <AlinuxOS> asac, we have spaces :)
[04:56] <asac> so when they read they often fail to read
[04:57] <AlinuxOS> unique not efficent thig is that ..many informatique terms are not present in our language.
[04:57] <AlinuxOS> and some Error messages (example for GNOME transtaltion) are hardly translatable.
[04:58] <AlinuxOS> asac, word economy is not efficient thing.
[04:58] <AlinuxOS> it's very sterile, and with no heart.
[04:59] <AlinuxOS> one of the human art is language and alphabet.
[04:59] <AlinuxOS> so I belive in multilingual Software :)
[04:59] <AlinuxOS> why not ;)
[05:03] <asac> AlinuxOS: well if people cannot read fast and failsafe its an economic and even social issue
[05:04] <AlinuxOS> yes.
[05:04] <asac> if only people with enough money to study long enough can learn to write the language properly its another issue and is not fair for those that cannot efford it
[05:04] <AlinuxOS> we georgians are trilingual.
[05:05] <asac> which is not bad in general
[05:05] <AlinuxOS> Georgian - Russian and very often other Euro language.
[05:05] <AlinuxOS> only Georgian is not enough.
[05:05] <AlinuxOS> that's true.
[05:07] <asac> how is your alphabet called?
[05:07] <asac> i saw other locales while testing that looked pretty similar
[05:07] <AlinuxOS> asac, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_alphabet
[05:09] <AlinuxOS> asac, Georgian Alphabet ( )
[05:09] <AlinuxOS> it's unic and original.
[05:10] <asac> AlinuxOS: looks like you have two much letters to fit on a standard keyboard
[05:11] <AlinuxOS> asac, yes 33
[05:11] <AlinuxOS> asac, supporting Georgian in Ubuntu (and Linux) in general was an issue :)
[05:12] <AlinuxOS> but with great work of Ubuntu Team and Georgian Ubuntu/Gnome team - georgian is supported now.
[05:12] <AlinuxOS> the main problem is that our team is very small...
[05:12] <asac> yeah ... but isn't typing inefficient or do you have completely special keyboards (e.g. with much mor keys) ?
[05:13] <AlinuxOS> asac, no typing is fast.
[05:13] <asac> how?
[05:13] <AlinuxOS> it's managed with normal Latin...
[05:13] <asac> how many keys does your keyboard come with?
[05:13] <AlinuxOS> some letters are typed with Shift.
[05:13] <asac> AlinuxOS: yeah, but then you need key-combinations to present some letters which i would consider really pinful
[05:14] <AlinuxOS> I use Italian keyboard.
[05:14] <asac> AlinuxOS: well shift is typcially alreadey bound to lower/upper-case
[05:14] <AlinuxOS> I've even created Geo-Ita layout.
[05:14] <asac> interesting
[05:15] <AlinuxOS> there are US, Russian, French and Italian keyboards that are used for typing Georgian
[05:15] <asac> AlinuxOS: do you know well how to do new layouts for X ?
[05:15] <asac> AlinuxOS: i need something special i cannot find ...
[05:15] <AlinuxOS> not well, but I needed that for special characters like: ;.@#\|
[05:15] <AlinuxOS> etc..
[05:16] <asac> http://half-qwerty.com/
[05:16] <asac> i need that so much
[05:16] <asac> i hate to type with two hands
[05:16] <AlinuxOS> mainly the input system is quite simle.
[05:16] <asac> http://half-qwerty.com/resources/images/rightboard.gif
[05:16] <AlinuxOS> ah
[05:16] <asac> there are keymaps for the console, but not for X :(
[05:17] <AlinuxOS> curious...
[05:17] <AlinuxOS> for example a =  b = 
[05:17] <AlinuxOS> A = 
[05:18] <AlinuxOS> in main Georgian there is no capital letters.
[05:19] <AlinuxOS> asac, thank you for everything...I'm going to study now :(
[05:19] <AlinuxOS> see ya... later ;)
[05:22] <asac> AlinuxOS: ok if there are no captials then its ok to map that to any keyboard i guess
[05:23] <AlinuxOS> aha ;)
[05:23] <AlinuxOS> you're right.
[05:27] <jeromeg> Ubulette: is bug 125896 still an issue for you ?
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125896 in liferea "[gutsy]  liferea 1.4rc1 search folders broken " [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125896
[06:32] <asac> cwong1: did you ask your artist about the transparent png logos for Launchpad?
[06:32] <asac> (low prio) :)
[06:33] <cwong1> He was out yesterday. I will talk to him today.
[06:33] <asac> cool
[07:02] <asac> cwong1: btw, today I received the device :)
[07:03] <asac> cwong1: i need to get a power adapter, because it has US plug :)
[07:03] <cwong1> asac: good
[07:03] <asac> cwong1: but when i have that I will ask you to tell me how to get the system on it :)
[07:03] <asac> e.g. whats the best install method
[07:03] <asac> CD?
[07:04] <cwong1> asac: r u referring to our image?
[07:04] <asac> yes ... how can i instlal UME on that device ;)
[07:04] <cwong1> asac: use a 2gb usb drive
[07:04] <asac> ah ... so run it from external drive?
[07:04] <cwong1> asac: just follow the instruction in www.moblin.org
[07:04] <asac> ok
[07:04] <cwong1> asac: select live usbrw not the install
[07:05] <cwong1> asac: install will wipe out the vista
[07:05] <asac> yeah ... i think that won't be a big problem for me ... though it might come handy to take a look and see how they deal with things
[07:05] <asac> so usbrw would be fine i think
[07:06] <cwong1> yeap
[08:23] <gnomefreak> 1 down only 73 more pages for today
[10:21] <asac> ubotu: a8 is out
[10:21] <ubotu> I'll remember that, asac
[10:21] <asac> Ubulette: a8 is out
[10:21] <asac> !forget a8
[10:21] <ubotu> I'll forget that, asac
[10:27] <Aondo> anyone else having strange font behavour around the letter "f"? in firefox seems like other letters get hidden behind it or something. it's not pretty. (happens on a new user profile as well)
[10:32] <gnomefreak> nope and ive been burning up firefox and openoffice for the last 24 hours including all night last night
[10:46] <gnomefreak> asac: ive seen alot of network-manager issues in #ubuntu+1 the past 24-36 hours. im not able to say the exact issue for any since im just passing through it but ive seen alot of networ-manager complaint
[10:46] <gnomefreak> s
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: 16:43 <          CountX > Jordan_U: no internet works now
[10:47] <gnomefreak> 16:43 <          CountX > Jordan_U: the little icon in the top for the network went  away and i cant uset he internet in any way now
[10:47] <gnomefreak> thats one
[10:48] <gnomefreak> kind of confusing they are talking about sound and network not working now
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: does n-m look for esd for any reason?
[10:59] <asac> gnomefreak: nm appears to crash when supplicant fails
[10:59] <gnomefreak> supplicant?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> wpa?
[10:59] <asac> wpasupplicant
[10:59] <asac> yes
[10:59] <asac> i saw those bugs ... for some reason they became more frequent now
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: are you in #ubuntu+1 ?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> always :(
[11:00] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe you can tap in a find out if the issue is after starting
[11:00] <asac> e.g. does nm crash after startup?
[11:00] <asac> and if you restart it by:
[11:00] <asac> /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart
[11:00] <asac> sudo /etc/dbu*/even*/25NetworkManager restart
[11:00] <asac> does it work well then?
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: esd is unrelated
[11:01] <asac> for sure
[11:01] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought too
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: they should try to restart nm like above
[11:01] <asac> maybe it helps
[11:01] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:02] <asac> if possible _don't_ get them in this channel ... it always exausting to talk to random users
[11:02] <asac> :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> not going to
[11:03] <gnomefreak> i told him to try it
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: how is your health?
[11:04] <asac> bad?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> getting better
[11:04] <gnomefreak> alot of fucking stress but other than that a little pain
[11:05] <asac> stress?
[11:05] <asac> ubuntu?
[11:05] <asac> ubuntu should be fun for you ;)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> might be a firmware issue
[11:06] <gnomefreak> no court stress
[11:06] <asac> oh
[11:06] <asac> i am sure you will see better days
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: firmware issue?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> 17:06 <          CountX > gnomefreak: yeah i used the restricted-manager to get  bcm43xx firmware, then it crashed
[11:07] <gnomefreak> isnt the bcm43xx still blacklisted?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> or atleast not really added to kernel support
[11:07] <asac> bcm43xx with firare cutter worked perfectly
[11:07] <asac> here for mw
[11:07] <asac> me
[11:07] <gnomefreak> the commands above worked
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... what other issues about nm have you seen?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> the wired command works
[11:08] <gnomefreak> asac: all night last night they were talking about it but i dont have logs handy
[11:08] <gnomefreak> hes trying wireless
[11:09] <gnomefreak> asac: how to search for wireless networ in range?
[11:10] <asac> if network manager applet doesn't suggest any his wireless interface is probably not managed by nm
[11:10] <gnomefreak> hes looking
[11:11] <asac> to make his interface network manager manged he should set the device to "roaming mode" in gnome network-admin
[11:12] <gnomefreak> he has it set to roaming we just asked him
[11:19] <gnomefreak> someone is walking him through the whole wireless thing atm
[11:19] <gnomefreak> im assuming its gonna work since open networks dont have this issue
[11:25] <gnomefreak> iwlist doesnt show any networks
[11:25] <gnomefreak> is this a bad thing?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i think he says it works
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: the command above just fix it for this boot?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i dont remmber commands
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: iwlist has to be run with sudo
[11:27] <asac> otherwise it won't actively scan for network
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i keep telling them file a damn bug i dont maintain those packages and they dont listen :(
[11:29] <gnomefreak> lol @ CountX > gnomefreak: it says that eth1 doesnt support scanning, and  there is no such device
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a bit its the guys birthday and he really wants it working but hes not sure since he has a bunch of people there so i told him to comment on a bug that is the same as i told him
[11:35] <Ubulette> hi
[11:37] <asac> welcome
[11:37] <Ubulette> asac, gnomefreak, did you guys work on a8 ?
[11:37] <Ubulette> it's been out since this morning
[11:37] <asac> nope i just saw the announcement
[11:37] <gnomefreak> i don thave time to do it i have a shit load of docs to type for court
[11:38] <asac> since we won't get this in for beta ... we have a week time to get this ready for gutsy upload
[11:38] <Ubulette> and me some slides for a talk tomorrow morning...
[11:38] <Ubulette> hm
[11:38] <asac> Ubulette: yes i can do that ... my work-queue is clearing up
[11:38] <asac> i just have to take care that my intrusive nm + ifupdown changes are in line
[11:39] <asac> for beta
[11:39] <Ubulette> well, there's the 2 ff gp/trunk branches to bring to our new scheme
[11:39] <asac> yes
[11:39] <Ubulette> even before we bring a8 in
[11:40] <asac> if they have a common ancestor we can just prepare a8 in trunk branch ... rename package et al
[11:40] <asac> and then merge the result over to gp branch
[11:40] <asac> of course renaming the branches accordingly
[11:40] <Ubulette> i would I loved to do that but I'm not able to do so today and I'm off this w-e too
[11:40] <Ubulette> gp and trunk are really distinct
[11:40] <asac> Ubulette: unless something exceptional happens, i can do that
[11:41] <asac> Ubulette: its just enough that they have a common ancestor
[11:41] <asac> otherwise its a mess :)
[11:41] <asac> ... anyway ...
[11:42] <gnomefreak> before i leave are you going to as for an exception to get nm and ifupdown in for beta?
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[11:42] <asac> what do you mean?
[11:42] <asac> they are in
[11:43] <gnomefreak> asac: the fixes?
[11:43] <asac> which fixes?
[11:43] <asac> the crash ok ... but for ifupdown i don't know of any bug
[11:43] <gnomefreak> you said you had to get them in line for beta
[11:43] <asac> yeah ... i have to fix nm crashes
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and since beta freeze are you able to get them in before beta release?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> or atleat for beta release
[11:44] <asac> Ubulette: its firefox-3.0.dev + firefox-3.0, right?
[11:44] <Ubulette> right
[11:45] <Ubulette> maybe commit 18 is the last common link
[11:45] <asac> ok what would need to be done except source/binary package rename + introducing a transition package
[11:45] <Ubulette> that old
[11:46] <Ubulette> starting from dev, drop the minefield branding, change appname and adapt the patches. should be enough
[11:47] <Ubulette> adapt = s/trunk/whatever/ and refresh patches
[11:47] <asac> Ubulette: what i don't understand is why the branches did diverge so long ago
[11:48] <gnomefreak> ok really out this time
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: good luck
[11:48] <asac> cu
[11:48] <gnomefreak> cu
[11:49] <Ubulette> asac, not my fault, it started long before I arrived here
[11:49] <asac> yeah i see tht
[11:50] <Ubulette> maybe just forget about the previous gp branch. just start from previous trunk (now ff-3.0.dev)
[11:51] <asac> yes, I just fear to loose something i added on gp branch that was important :)
[11:52] <Ubulette> just diff the two. I think I got it all
[11:53] <asac> yes will take two hours for this tomorrow ... at least
[11:53] <asac> messy bits
[11:53] <asac> luckily this will have an end then ;)
[11:53] <Ubulette> :)
[11:54] <asac> this firefox branch mess alone is enough to justify to do this consolidation
[12:00] <Ubulette> I agree
[12:00] <Ubulette> and I have to update mozclient too
[12:29] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 838960
[12:29] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 377336
[12:29] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 377336 in Printing "Printing a page results in Frozen App for a few minutes - Excessive data spooled to the Printer" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377336
[12:29] <Ubulette> b=838960, ugprade cairo to 1.5.x; and b=377336, printing page from win32 results in hung app, r=stuart
[12:30] <Ubulette> huge cairo and libpixman upgrade
[12:30] <Ubulette> asac, ^^
[12:32] <asac> hmm ... so does that fix your print preview issue?
[12:32] <asac> so they fixed it by cairo 1.5 upgrade?
[12:33] <asac> they appear to have no clue 1.5 is not a stable branch afaik.
[12:34] <Ubulette> dont know. forgot to update my bot for yesterday's branch renames so all moz stuff ftbfs-ed :O
[12:34] <asac> hehe
[12:34] <asac> right
[12:34] <asac> i hope they didn't bump to cairo 1.5
[12:35] <Ubulette> seems they did
[12:35] <Ubulette> vlad did
[12:35] <asac> yeah
[12:35] <asac> i see the bug
[12:35] <asac> it starts with: Tracking bug for the cairo upgrade to 1.4.8.
[12:35] <asac> but then title reads ... different
[12:36] <Ubulette> benjamin seems to be working on cvs->hg
[12:36] <Ubulette> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/?rev/a51e9fb65b8a
[12:37] <asac> Ubulette: i don't see a final comment from vlad in the cairo tracker bug
[12:37] <asac> you sure they landed 1.5?
[12:37] <Ubulette> i've seen the commit on bonsai
[12:39] <asac> hopefully they remove dthe asserts and use pristine cairo at least now
[12:50] <asac> i think i have to ask vlad ... i mean maybe they have the false illusion that cairo 1.6 will be ready until they ship ffox 3
[12:53] <Ubulette> plz do :)
[12:55] <asac> otoh i think one of the thebes devs is a cairo dev, so maybe they know what they do
[01:00] <Ubulette> maybe
[01:01] <Ubulette> my bot just built the nspr and nss.head branches.
[01:09] <Ubulette> asac, strange, xul is still 1.9a8pre upstream