[01:41] <keescook> ajmitch: yay samba!
[01:55] <ajmitch> :)
[07:25] <mikubuntu> hey guys, just downloading dapper server, no; i mean, burning it now ... it's a livecd, yes?
[07:26] <kgoetz> server? no
[07:27] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: hmmmm, so to check it out, have to install?
[07:27] <kgoetz> anyone good -=> verry good with apache2 here?
[07:27] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: afaik yes
[07:29] <mikubuntu> what's the least amount of resources it needs?  i didn't see system requirements anywhere on the download page ... wonder if i could install it on an old box?
[07:29] <kgoetz> server should be able to yes. i'd guess 128mb ram
[07:31] <mikubuntu> and then i can add whatever ecommerce/content management i need to it?  i need to start working on a project that will entail an ecommerce activity managing 5-10000 items...
[07:32] <kgoetz> well YVMV trying to run heavy web apps on SFA resources
[07:32] <mikubuntu> translation?
[07:32] <mikubuntu> yvmv? sfa?
[07:34] <kgoetz> your value may vary, not a whole lot
[07:34] <kgoetz> in that order
[07:35] <mikubuntu> hmmmm.  ok. thanks.
[07:38] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: ok, got it in the box, and the choices are install to hard disk, or install a lamp server ... i thought the lamp was part of the hard install?
[07:39] <mikubuntu> does it mean i have to do both?  first install, then lamp?  or just lamp?
[07:39] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: you can install a minimal system (first option) or a lamp server (2nd option)
[07:39] <mikubuntu> kgoet
[07:40] <mikubuntu> do you think the old box can handle lamp?  that's the setup of choice right?
[07:40] <kgoetz> whats the old boxes spec?
[07:42] <mikubuntu> hmmmmm... i know i *should* know that, but i dont.  it's an older compaq presario had about a 10gb hard drive, but i dont know about ram .... i installed puppy on it couple weeks ago for hell of it
[07:43] <kgoetz> you can start developing on it. i wont commit to any sort of prediction howwell it handles it
[07:44] <mikubuntu> guess i can't hurt anything trying to go lamp right, if it doesn't work out i can switch out
[07:44] <mikubuntu> you know anything about magento?
[07:46] <mikubuntu> there she goes, problem already .... entering lowmenory mode ... wonder if i should leave this box alone with puppy and look for something a little more robust...
[07:48] <kgoetz> no
[07:50] <kgoetz> lowmem already? you dont have 64mb of ram in it - give up now
[07:51] <kgoetz> could someone bug fixy/apache knowledgeable look at this ticket? it is by someone having teh same problems with apache i have https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-auth-pam/+question/10853
[07:51] <mikubuntu> before i installed puppy i tried to get xubuntu on that box, but could not get it installed for anything, finally got puppy on it with a lot of help from their room... the problem with xubuntu seemed to be related to the low memory mode situation
[07:51] <kgoetz> your box doesnt have enough ram to be useful
[07:56] <mikubuntu> kgoetz: sorry, my chatzilla froze up... so the installer goes into low mem mode for UNDER 64 ram?  it's more of a dog than i thought, i guess ... lol
[08:01] <kgoetz> 15:21 < mikubuntu> before i installed puppy i tried to get xubuntu on that box, but could not get it installed for anything, finally got puppy on it with a lot of help from their room... the problem with xubuntu seemed to be related to the low memory mode situation
[08:01] <kgoetz> 15:21 < kgoetz> your box doesnt have enough ram to be useful
[08:05] <mikubuntu> ya, i'll have to find something else to put it on.  i thought i had installed lamp on this laptop, but after the whole process, i can't find it anywhere.  see some of the packages in synaptic, but i dont think the install went right.  or, there's always the possibility i just don't know what i'm doing.
[08:06] <kgoetz> mikubuntu: visit 'localhost' in a web browser
[08:08] <mikubuntu> just put 'localhost' into the address bar?
[08:10] <kgoetz> yes
[08:10] <mikubuntu> ok, ya, says apache server at port 80.
[08:11] <mikubuntu> has parent directory and apache2-default
[08:13] <mikubuntu> so is that 'my environment'?
[08:14] <kgoetz> means you have a web server running
[08:15] <mikubuntu> i clicked on apache2 and got a page 'it works!' ... i'm still lost, tho, how do i start building into the server?
[08:15] <mikubuntu> i think i want to try magento but i don't know how to integrate/pull it up even...
[08:17] <mikubuntu> oh, well, i'm tired and everybody seems kind of busy tonite, better call it a nite for now; thanks for your help
[08:17] <kgoetz> later mate
[08:37] <kgoetz> for some reason, apache2 doesnt have an ldap or (working) pam auth module, or a generic 'external auth' module :(
[08:55] <kraut> moin
[08:56] <kgoetz> hey
[12:00] <c1|freaky> hi all. i run a server with a few shell users. is there a way to see what a user is doing on his/her login terminal? it's a ssh login session and i want to be able to see, what that user is doing at the moment - is that possible?
[01:09] <soren> c1|freaky: w
[01:11] <c1|freaky> thanks
[01:19] <kgoetz> rhubarb, my dns is teh borked :(
[01:19] <kgoetz> talk about owning yourself :|
[01:25] <kgoetz> is fetchmailconf ncurses or X11?
[01:31] <soren> kgoetz: I think it's x11.
[01:31] <soren> kgoetz: ...it depends on python-tk
[01:32] <kgoetz> soren: ta... suppose i'll be configuring by hand
[02:22] <lafuma> hello, anyone around ?
[02:22] <kgoetz> sort of
[02:23] <lafuma> do you use ubuntu server edition ?
[02:23] <kgoetz> at work. thats irrelevent though - if you want help, say what the problem is
[02:23] <kgoetz> if someone can help they will speak up
[02:24] <lafuma> i read that it has some sort of preinstalled apache+php+mysql installation
[02:24] <lafuma> is that true ?
[02:24] <kgoetz> theres a 'lamp' install option yes
[02:25] <lafuma> okay
[02:25] <lafuma> is it safe and good to go ?
[02:25] <kgoetz> safe?
[02:26] <lafuma> which version to prefer ?
[02:26] <lafuma> 7.04 or 6.06
[02:26] <kgoetz> whats the server for?
[02:28] <lafuma> web, about 5 different domains, ftp, mailserver (about 40 accounts)
[02:29] <kgoetz> if you need the LTS (eg if it has to stay the same for another few years) go with 6.06
[02:30] <kgoetz> if you can wait a few weeks and want to upgrade in 6 months, go with 7.10 which is out mid next month.
[02:30] <kgoetz> or 7.04 so you can update to 7.10
[02:32] <lafuma> is there any place i can read about differences of 7.04 and 6.06 ?
[02:32] <kgoetz> um. maybe the release notes
[02:32] <kgoetz> not sure tbh
[02:33] <ScottK> lafuma: Unless you are building a pile of custom code on top of Ubuntu that has to have a static environment for years, go with 7.04 would be my recommendation.
[02:34] <kgoetz> night all
[02:34] <kgoetz> lafuma: good luck with it all :)
[02:34] <lafuma> thanks
[02:34] <lafuma> night
[02:36] <mikubuntu_> hello guys; i'm kind of a newb, to everything.  anyways, i downloaded magento to my ubuntu 7.04 laptop.  it downloaded to desktop, and then i did a 'extract here' on it and got an icon on the desktop... but, i'm not really sure it's installed.  when i click on it, screem launches, but i don't seem to locate any kind of dashboard for magento.
[02:36] <lafuma> i'll go with the new version then
[02:38] <soren> mikubuntu_: You need to put it somewhere your webserver knows about.
[02:40] <mikubuntu_> soren: like i said, i'm still a knucklehead with this, can you be more specific?
[02:41] <soren> mikubuntu_: Have you done any sort of programming before? (Not meant to be offensive, it just helps me give you answers)
[02:42] <lafuma> any chance i can do the installation over ssh ?
[02:42] <lafuma> ubuntu server that is
[02:42] <soren> lafuma: Umm... Install it onto what?
[02:42] <lafuma> server ?
[02:43] <lafuma> i can put the cd in it before :)
[02:43] <lafuma> but connecting it with monitor and keyboard would be pain in the ass
[02:43] <lafuma> it would be much easier to operate it over ssh
[02:45] <soren> lafuma: I don't think you can do that very easily.
[02:46] <mikubuntu_> soren: nope, completely green ... well, i did do a simple website for my car service www bestcab dot net, but nothing like what i want to do now.  i need to set up a catalog/ecommerce site with a starting inventory of about 5000 items.  what i think i understand about the process?: that i need server stuff, so i 'think' i have downloaded last week the lamp setup, and when i go to localhost...
[02:46] <mikubuntu_> ...on my browser it tells me apache2 is working.  i know i need to make some kind of database, with the items, images, and other fields relating to inventory ...
[02:47] <lafuma> damn, really ?
[02:49] <soren> lafuma: Well, yes. You could probably shove a openssh server into the installer, but you'd have to set up the network first and some sort of username/password combination.
[02:50] <soren> mikubuntu_: I see. Um... It's sort of an involved process setting all this up. Doesn't magento come with some sort of documentation?
[02:52] <mikubuntu_> soren: well, ya, i've tried to meet all their system requirements, getting the server stuff, and all, but i'm not having any luck even getting magento open to get access to it's help menus or anything
[02:53] <soren> mikubuntu_: I meant like an installation guide.
[02:53] <mikubuntu_> soren: is it possible for me to take a screenshot of the directory and put that in a pastebin?
[02:53] <soren> mikubuntu_: WEll... Yes, but it wouldn't do you much good :)
[02:53] <mikubuntu_> hmmmmm...
[02:54] <mikubuntu_> i wish i was smarter than george bush sometimes
[02:54] <soren> mikubuntu_: You need to set up a database first. Then you need to tell magento where to find that database. Then you need to move magento to somewhere apache knows about.
[02:54] <soren> mikubuntu_: You are.
[02:54] <mikubuntu_> soren: i must be; i din't vote for him
[02:55] <mikubuntu_> soren: i started playing around with the openoffice database; is that suitable?
[02:55] <soren> mikubuntu_: http://www.magentocommerce.com/boards/viewforum/9/
[02:56] <soren> mikubuntu_: That looks like a good place to get specialised magento help.
[02:56] <soren> mikubuntu_: Half an hour ago, I had never heard of it. :)
[02:56] <mikubuntu_> soren: i think i need to better understand the relationship between linux-apache-mysql-php-magento ...
[02:58] <mikubuntu_> yes, i will of course be studying there, but i was thinking to come here for some general help in understanding the bigger picture of how it all fits together
[02:58] <soren> mikubuntu_: linux == operating system, apache == http server (speaks to the webbrowser), mysql == database server (keeps your data), php interprets php scripts (apache tells it to do this and php gives the answers to apache), magento -> have no clue.
[02:59] <mikubuntu_> soren: so is mysql a database just like openoffice database?
[02:59] <soren> mikubuntu_: I don't know what an openoffice database is, actually.
[03:00] <soren> mikubuntu_: But possibly, yes.
[03:00] <mikubuntu_> soren: openoffice is the suite of business apps that come with the ubuntu desktop
[03:00] <mikubuntu_> like spreadsheet, word processor, database, etc..
[03:01] <mikubuntu_> soren: but if i am understanding you, maybe i should learn mysql way instead of openoffice?
[03:02] <soren> mikubuntu_: I know what openoffice is, but how openoffice relates to databases... No clue :)
[03:05] <mikubuntu_> openoffice database; i don't know, my brain is slow cooking
[03:05] <mikubuntu_> :)
[03:17] <m1r> hello
[03:40] <AnRkey> where is ubuntu-server +1 discussed?
[03:40] <AnRkey> here?
[03:45] <ScottK> Sure.
[03:51] <pfein> anyone have a HOWTO on building your own .deb?
[03:53] <mathiaz> pfein: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[03:55] <AnRkey> ScottK, is ebox gonna be ready for release
[03:55] <ScottK> No.
[03:56] <AnRkey> with a capital N :)
[03:57] <AnRkey> pfein, the motu team would be happy to help you too...
[03:57] <pfein> AnRkey: thanks, I'll try there.
[03:57] <AnRkey> you can also join their list
[03:58] <pfein> this is (hopefully) a one-off... need to version bump my load balancer.  Most of my servers are Gentoo, unfortunately.
[08:08] <xdcdx_> hello
[08:10] <xdcdx_> I'm setting up a cluster, I have several intel xeon nodes
[08:10] <xdcdx_> I configured a server node which serves the kernel and a initramfs by netboot
[08:10] <xdcdx_> the server also serves a nfs filesystem, and the client nodes mount it
[08:10] <xdcdx_>  some nodes, with a fixed hardware configuration, boot fine over the net
[08:10] <xdcdx_>  but we bought some newer nodes, and the boot-by-net and mount the remote nfs filesystem process won't work
[08:10] <xdcdx_> the new nodes have a different intel motherboard, with different ethernet integrated chipsets
[08:11] <xdcdx_> however, boot-by-net and mount the local filesystem works fine with the new nodes
[08:11] <xdcdx_> so it's not a hardware support issue; rather the new hardware messed up with our current boot-by-net and mount nfs filesystem method
[08:11] <xdcdx_> we have 6.06
[08:12] <xdcdx_> any happy ideas, or method for debugging this problem?
[08:13] <xdcdx_> we have the default initramfs, built with mkinitramfs... when the server sends the local-initramfs to the new nodes, they boot fine (given the local disc has a working filesystem)
[08:13] <xdcdx_> when the server sends the nfs-initramfs to the new nodes, they won't boot (the old nodes do boot)
[08:38] <nealmcb> xdcdx_: it may be that the folks that do ltsp (probably in #edubuntu) would have more experience with that
[08:51] <pteague> good grief... i was bashing my head all last night trying to get userdirs to work on apache.. finally gave up & rebooted & went to bed... now it works
[08:55] <mralphabet> pteague: of course
[11:52] <osmosis> anyone use xen in gutsy ?
[11:59] <mralphabet> not I, but yes, there has been lots of talk about xen