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nosrednaekimhello.... is knetworkmanager being updated to the newest SVN version which will support TKIP/PAP authentication?01:46
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Riddellnixternal: you rock03:42
JucatoRiddell: if I could have a few seconds of your time. was the packaging talk you recently gave targetted at beginners? and do you have slides online? :)03:45
jjessewhy is it so hard to get kde4 to work correct ;(03:46
Jucatoaw...03:46
jjessethought i copied the .bashrc script correctly getting another error03:46
jjesseholy crap03:53
jjessei got it work03:53
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Jucatoyay!!!03:54
Jucatodifferent user?03:54
jjesseyeah, followed the article closer this time03:54
Jucatoheheh yeah it pays to follow it to the letter03:55
JucatoI've done this about 5 times now since alpha and still I can't get the hang of it... nixternal and stdin are more used to it and can dance around it more :)03:55
jjessedo i have all kde4 applications + gutsy applications or how does that work?03:56
Jucatodefinitely not all kde4 apps if you only built up to kdebase :)03:57
jjessewhich is what i did03:57
jjessei think...03:57
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Jucatomulti-tasking isn't good for the brain03:57
RiddellJucato: at students who know nothing of KDE03:57
RiddellJucato: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/la-laguna/03:58
JucatoRiddell: great! thanks!! this will be perfect :)03:58
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nixternalman04:10
jjesse:)04:10
nixternalI passed out hard04:10
jjessedon't drink so much04:11
nixternalheh04:11
nixternalI went to change, and I laid in bed for a sec wrestling the dog, and next thing you know, I was out04:11
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jjessethat's funny04:12
nixternalRiddell: rockin', kdebase is patched up and fixed for Dapper -> Gutsy04:13
nixternalI love when upstream patches apply cleanly04:13
JucatoKubuntu loves upstream... wasn't that the banner? :)04:14
Jucatonixternal: you built kde 4 from svn right?04:15
nixternalquite a few times now :)04:15
Jucatosame user or different (kde-devel) user? I was just wondering coz I followed techbase to the letter... and now I want to sort of run a full KDE4 session, but run my KDE 3 apps with my KDE 3 data (mail, feeds, etc)04:16
Jucatobut jucato (KDE 3) and kde-devel (4) are different users04:17
nixternalkde-devel04:17
Jucatohm.. perhaps a simpler solution would be to figure out why I can't launch X apps as another user...04:18
=== jjesse needs to figure out what to do next now that he has kde4 compiled
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nixternalyou know why I am showing you that :)04:24
jjessedocument it?04:24
nixternalya, I don't believe it has documentation yet04:24
nixternalthere is also something like ksysguard that needs it as well04:24
jjesseok04:24
nixternalif you want to document okular, get a hold of pinotree and see if he has anything for you04:24
nixternalokular documentation will be kind of crazy though..I have a smaller task if you would like to go that route04:25
jjesselet me figure out my way around it for a bit04:25
nixternaloh nevermind...someone else already took care of the process list04:26
jjessesaw that on kde-doc mailing list04:26
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jjessenixternal respond to my mail on the list04:26
nixternalI just now seen it04:27
=== Jucato has tried once to build okular.. and failed...
Jucatoprobably dependency or PATH issues04:31
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee!! \o/04:33
nixternalkdebase updates are all done now :)04:33
Hobbseeheya nixternal04:35
Hobbseewoot!  did you get it uploaded?04:35
nixternalkees is doing the dapper -> feisty builds now04:36
nixternalI linked Riddell to the Gutsy patch as it also included a fix to the konqi links for docs04:36
Hobbseegreat :)04:41
Jucatohi Hobbsee!04:41
Jucatohi nixternal! :)04:41
nixternalwho are you?04:42
Jucatoum... your #1 fan?04:42
nixternalhahahahaha04:42
Jucato:D04:42
nixternalyou made me wet myself04:42
Jucatolol04:42
Hobbseehehe04:44
JucatoHobbsee: don't worry, I'm your fan too. but I bet you already have #1-10 occupied :)04:45
Hobbsee:P04:45
nixternalHobbsee: anything else a priority right now for getting worked on?04:46
Hobbseenixternal: anything we need for the beta.04:46
Jucatothe $HOME/home?04:46
nixternalwell, we are in a beta freeze it seems04:47
Hobbseenixternal: technically, yeah04:47
HobbseeJucato: idnt that get fixed?04:47
Jucatohm.. not when I logged in this morning...04:47
=== nixternal still has env, home, and share
Jucatomaybe the updates I got fixed it... kubuntu-desktop update?04:47
JucatoI only have home04:48
nixternalis it safe to delete them?04:48
JucatoI always do... haven't seen anything go boom yet04:48
nixternalheh04:48
nixternalthere, gone :)04:49
nixternalif it goes boom, I will hunt you down and shove a Windows CD key up your nose04:49
Jucatonoooo!!04:49
nixternaloh ya04:49
Jucatomake it a Vista please? :)04:49
Jucatomakes it more painful heheh04:49
nixternalno, I need that key :)04:50
Jucatolol04:50
nixternalI am sure I can find a Windows ME key somewhere04:50
Jucatohahahah!!! that piece of crap? :)04:50
nixternalheh04:50
nixternalI think I know only one person who ever used it, my dad, and to this day he still cusses it04:50
Jucatolol04:50
nixternalI can however say, Vista is faster for me than XP on the same machine....but my lord it is annoying and very poorly thought out04:51
nixternalpretty? yes. usability? heck no04:51
Jucato!nixternal04:52
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!04:52
Jucatoah yes.. confirmed!04:52
nixternalmmm money04:52
Jucatoexcept the last part04:52
Jucatounless...04:52
nixternalI wish I had money to give out04:52
nixternalI just won the Lotto though04:52
nixternal$204:52
nixternal:)04:53
Jucatowoot!04:53
nixternalthat will help buy my next Lotto tickets04:53
Jucatohahah04:53
Jucatoover here, there's a "prize" called "change ticket". so if you get at least 2 numbers correct (I think), you can get your next ticket for free. don't know if that's the same there04:53
Jucatoso far my mom's only been lucky in that category...04:54
nixternalthey give you money, but mostly people who get 1 to 3 numbers correct, typically just exchange it for tickets anyways04:54
nixternalI win the mega millions, Kubuntu will have some more paid devs :)04:55
nixternaleveryone will get a taste04:55
Jucatoheheh yay04:55
nixternalwhat else would I do with $400 million?04:55
nixternalI would buy out Richard Stallman's seat on the FSF04:55
nixternalall we would have to do would be :%s/Stallman/Johnson/04:56
nixternalworks out nicely04:56
Jucatolol04:56
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Hobbseenixternal: Riddell isnt around much atm - he's technically still on holidays, iirc.05:20
nixternalya, you want the link?05:21
nixternalhttp://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdebase_kdmsecfix_doclinkupdate.debdiff05:21
nixternalthere it is for gutsy05:21
Hobbseenixternal: did you commit it to bzr?05:21
nixternalerr, no I didn't05:22
nixternalI will do that now05:22
Hobbseenixternal: (and can you email me about it, i have to go out RSN)05:22
Hobbseegreat :)05:22
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nixternalI will email ya05:22
Hobbseenixternal: great, thanks05:25
nixternalno prob05:25
Hobbseecode.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members should help05:26
Hobbseeotherwise it's in the control file anyway.05:26
nixternaljeesh, bzr is so slooooooow05:27
ScottKnixternal: It's a feature.  Keeps you from making mistakes by getting ahead of yourself.05:35
nixternalhahahahaha05:36
nixternalnow that is hillarious05:36
nixternalI don't care who you are, dat dare is funny05:36
nixternallord forgive me and be with the starvin' pigmes down in new guinnea05:36
ScottKI thought you were in marketing.  This stuff should come natural to you.05:36
nixternalmarketing schmarketing05:36
nixternalI like business management more than I do marketing05:37
ScottKAh.05:37
nixternalunless of course, the marketing can pay me more :)05:37
ScottKLike there's a difference05:37
nixternalya, business management wear the nice stuff, marketers where orange raybans05:37
ScottKMarketing is external.  Business management is internal.  No real difference.05:37
ScottKIt's all selling.  One way or another.05:38
nixternalhey, if I do 'bzr commit', will it pop up emacs like svn does so I can enter my commit message?05:38
nixternalor will it commit w/o a message05:39
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nixternalwhy yes it does05:46
Jucatowhy does it always rain when *I* do the laundry...05:53
nixternalhaha06:05
manchickenGrr.  I hate the real world.  Why does it have to suck?06:16
nixternalI just realised that I committed the kdebase updates, but forgot to commit the one kubuntuify_about patch :)06:16
nixternalmanchicken: if it didn't suck, then you wouldn't be spending so much time making Kubuntu rock!06:17
nixternalthink of it that way, at least that is how I live day-to-day :)06:17
manchickennixternal: No, because I'm looking for a new job because the board of directors fired my boss.  My direct report is not someone I'm too interested in working for.06:18
nixternalahh, I love when that happens06:18
manchickenPsht.06:19
manchickenI fscking hate when this happens.06:20
manchickenEspecially when I just bought a house and my wife is about to have a baby.06:20
manchickenIt is so much easier to find work if you can relocate.06:20
manchickenBut there's no way I could actually sell this house right now for what I financed it for and still afford to buy another one.06:21
nixternalactually, seeing as the rates are going down :)06:22
ScottKmanchicken: You find a company that wants you enough, they solve those kinds of problems.06:23
manchickenScottK: Well if I actually wanted to move that'd be nice, too.  I'd really like to stay where I am.06:23
ScottKSame goes for that.06:24
manchickenTrue, but the second is less likely than the first.06:24
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KuhrscherHi, i have got a simple question.11:08
mhbuh oh11:08
Kuhrschermhb: Not that terrible ;-)11:09
KuhrscherIs the OOo version in Kubuntus 64bit edition a 64-bit build or a 32-bit build11:09
KuhrscherI's just important for a gentoo bug...11:09
KuhrscherOr better for the decision if it is a Gentoo bug or a 64bit issue11:09
mhbwhy shouldn't it be a 64bit build?11:11
Kuhrscherbecause the 64 bit build has been buggy for a long time and e.g. in SuSE 10.2 they packaged a 32bit build11:12
KuhrscherOk, it installs to /usr/lib and not to /usr/lib32, so I is probably a 64bit build.11:15
\shKuhrscher, you can check by yourself...apt-get source openoffice-org or something and check debian/rules11:15
KuhrscherAh, thank you very much.11:15
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vandenoeverthe kubuntu website does not mention the availability of tribe 511:48
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Riddellvandenoever: it does, it's the second item on the front page11:59
vandenoeverRiddell: oops, i'll adjust my mousewheel12:00
Jucato:)12:02
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Riddellvandenoever: if you're installing kubuntu to check how well strigi works, our main problem currently is that it tends to use up 100% of CPU12:12
vandenoeverok12:12
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hungerThe main issue I have with desktop search in ubuntu is that there is strigi and tracker running at the same time:-(12:48
Riddellhunger: yes, I'm not quite sure how best to fix that01:00
hungerRiddell: I removed tracker, but that nuked ubuntu-desktop for some reason which is not really nice.01:00
hungerRiddell: Will the strigi applet get fixed to not look for filenames only at some point?01:01
Riddellhunger: I believe that's a deliberate design decision from vandenoever due to the limited UI01:02
hungerOh. wouldn't locate be enough for that functionality then?01:03
vandenoeverhunger: exactly, it is hard to show hit fragments in the small popup01:03
hungervandenoever: ?01:03
vandenoeverhunger: if you press enter, you get the full search01:03
hungervandenoever: It does pop up a konqureror01:03
hungerhere.01:03
vandenoeveryes, with strigi://01:03
hungervandenoever: Can I exclude regexps from the pathes strigi looks at? So it eg. does not index all the stuff under .svn?01:04
hungerSomehow all the hits I get are in .svn dirs;-(01:04
vandenoeverhunger: yes, you can do that from strigiclient01:04
hungervandenoever: Great!01:05
Riddelldoesn't it ignore . directories by default?01:07
vandenoeverit should, yes01:08
vandenoeveryou can check in the config file in ~/.strigi if it does01:08
Riddell<filter pattern='.*/' include='0'>01:08
hungerI added some more versioning system dirs using strigiclient, but those do not show up in .strigi/daemon.conf01:09
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vandenoeverhunger: are they indexed?01:13
hungervandenoever: No idea.01:13
hungervandenoever: I just deleted the clucene DB to make room for more important stuff;-)01:13
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Jucatowb Hobbsee :)02:15
Hobbseety02:16
marseillaihi02:24
Jucatoelow02:24
marseillaii'm trying to package iTest : http://itest.sourceforge.net/02:24
marseillaiand there is one archive with two apps in it : itest server and iTest client02:25
marseillaiand i would like to find some documentation about this sort of packaging02:25
marseillaii don't know how to build too apps in the same time and make it split into two package02:28
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stdinmarcel: see some of the links here https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-resources.html and I'd suggest you apt-get source a package that is split into more than one package and have a look at how they do it. #ubuntu-motu is also a good place to ask02:46
stdinmarseillai: see some of the links here https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/appendix-resources.html and I'd suggest you apt-get source a package that is split into more than one package and have a look at how they do it. #ubuntu-motu is also a good place to ask02:47
stdinmarcel: (wasn't meant for you sorry)02:47
marseillaithanks stdin02:47
marseillaii'll look later i've to halt now02:47
gnomefreakonce i changed gdm to kdm i lost the loginscreen in system>admin. how do i configure kdm now? adding themes sct...02:52
gnomefreakect...02:52
stdinSystem Settings > Appearance > KDM Theme Manager      (you may need the "kdmtheme" package)02:56
Jucatosorry... you have to use good old kcontrol02:58
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stdinno, it's in system settings in gutsy :)02:58
Jucatostdin: try using it please :)02:59
Jucato(unless it was fixed already)02:59
stdinahh, ok so you can't use it :p02:59
JucatoI guess my e-mail to k-devel went unnoticed so :)03:00
Jucatoey wait03:00
Jucato it's fixed now!! woot03:00
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jjessesilly qucik question what package do i need to get java and konqi to play nice?03:01
Jucatosun-java6-bin or -jre03:01
Jucatofor firefox you would need the -plugin package03:01
Jucatoor.. kubuntu-restricted-extras :)03:02
Jucatodang why did I forget that haha03:02
gnomefreakstdin: where is it in gnome?03:02
gnomefreakJucato: -plugin installs those packages as well03:02
jjesseso kubuntu-restricted-extras?03:02
Jucatotrue... but I go minimal sometimes :)03:02
Jucatoyep.03:03
stdingnome? umm dunno Alt-F2 systemsettings03:03
JucatoAlt+F2, kcmshell kdmtheme03:03
Jucatoif you want directly03:03
gnomefreakJucato: both are needed?03:04
gnomefreakkcmshell and kdmtheme03:04
Jucatoyep03:04
Jucatoone command03:04
gnomefreakbrb gonna see if this worked03:07
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jjesseif i have adept open and then open up system settings i'm not prompted for my password when i click on adminstrative04:03
jjesseis that supposed to work that way?04:03
jjessedidn't think that was how things sworkd in feisty04:04
Hobbseejjesse: yes.04:04
Hobbseejjesse: kdesudo p/w has a timeout now04:04
jjesseoh cool04:04
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bddebianHeya04:27
Jucatoheya04:28
bddebianHi Jucato04:29
Jucato:)04:30
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sahin_hJucato: I read your last post on planet ubuntu. Nice article!04:56
Jucatothanks :)04:56
nixternalit was OK :p04:56
Jucatohahah :)04:57
nixternalhe forgot the part of "if it wasn't for nixternal..."04:57
nixternalKDE would be better probably :)04:57
Jucatolol04:57
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nixternalI bet..I can tell that took some time04:59
nixternalI do look Jonathan Carter's idea though of a poster with a similar structure and points05:00
nixternalyou might be on to something here05:00
nixternalyou just might be a marketer in disguise05:00
Jucatolol05:00
Jucatono way.. me is no marketeer05:00
Hobbseenice work, Jucato05:02
nixternalsure you are05:02
nixternalcan't believe there hasn't been any trolls comment just yet, well besides me05:03
Jucatohahah. hasn't been read yet05:03
Jucatoby many people05:03
nixternalman, I think I might have just been quoted for a comment to a nasty statement on IRC :)05:03
nixternallovely05:04
nixternalthe Chicago GLUG has a Gnome Users' Group extension, and one of their statements, just got attacked by me :)05:05
nixternalmuhehehe05:05
Jucatoheheh05:05
nixternalyou know, I still haven't found the remote that closes my IRC connection05:05
nixternalheck, I wish I had a remote that would work here05:05
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nixternalman, I am affraid to see what kind of grade of I got on my paper I wrote last week05:06
nixternalthe title: The State of Unreliability05:06
nixternalthe subtitle: If Windows was the answer, it must have been a stupid question05:07
nixternalon the current advertisement of the state of Illinois switching over to a Microsoft infrastructure over Linux05:07
Jucatoooooh you're in for a lot of trouble :)05:07
nixternalwell, the teacher I swore told us to pick the audience..and then we had to switch papers so other students could proof it, and nobody knew wth I was talking about05:08
nixternalso all of my comments were "very well written and thought out, but the audience direction is not correct"05:08
Jucatohahah05:08
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nixternalfrom now on, I will start out my papers with "to my audience of the non-lame", so that way there if they don't get it, it wasn't meant for them :)05:09
Jucatoroflmao05:09
nixternalthe paper is supposed to be 3 pages long...I did 3 pages, single spaced...and the teacher is like, you wrote 6 pages...I was like huh?05:10
nixternalshe then proceded to tell me that in college all papers are to be double spaced...I asked if that is for the college of the lazy05:10
nixternalI know going for my bachelors, if you double spaced a 10 page paper, the teacher was going to kill you, slowly at that05:10
Jucatoheh in our college, double space was the norm... even when writing on paper :)05:11
nixternalit is sad, that our universities are starting to following k-12 education now in the US...I am seeing education being spoon fed once again and I can't stand that05:11
nixternals/following/follow05:11
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nixternaldon't blame ya there05:12
nixternalhow so though?05:12
ScottKJucato: Sure.  Why not.  We get blamed for everything else.05:13
nixternalhahahhaa05:13
Jucato:)05:13
Jucatobeing a "colony", we based our education system from the US05:13
nixternalwell, there was a strong US presents up to the beginning of the 90s there, so it is very well possible05:13
nixternals/presents/presence05:13
nixternaljeesh, my typing skills are elite05:13
Jucatothere was a time when we had 7 grades (elementary), and started school in September... during the start of the typhoon season :)05:13
nixternalhaha, that is what you get for following anything the US does..that was our plan...lets put them all in school during the typhoon season05:14
Jucatolike we had any choice... :)05:14
Jucatoour national language wasn't English, but it was the medium of instruction...05:14
Jucatoeven today :)05:14
nixternalI have only been to the Philippines once, and I absolutely loved it there...probably for all of the wrong reasons too :)05:15
Jucatoso practically, our national language *is* English..05:15
nixternalI learned one dirty word my entire time there05:15
Jucatohahah!05:16
nixternalpatagliamoo (say it, don't try to spell it though)05:16
Jucatoheh :)05:16
nixternalam I even close?05:16
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Jucatoslightly...05:16
Jucatothere are many languages/dialects here... for all I know that could be in one of them :)05:17
nixternalwell, that is what you get when hanging out in the seedy bars of Manilla I guess05:17
ScottKJucato: I learn curse words wherever I go.05:17
nixternalpeckpet was another slang term, but I can't remember what it was05:17
Jucatoah Manila, eh? well, slightly close... but not quite05:17
ScottKI'm to old to remember them, but that's another story.05:17
nixternalhaha05:17
Jucatohahah05:17
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nixternalI loved pulling into port in Milaysia, Spain, Gibraltor, Greece, and Australia05:18
nixternalit was probably Jerome who taught me that stuff05:18
nixternalalthough, when he comes to Chicago, he never answers his cell phone when I call him :)05:19
Jucatohahah05:19
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marseillaiso running qmake-qt4 && lrelease-qt4 ???????.pro works but i don't succeed to do the same when building my packages. nor with cdbos or debhelper06:22
Riddellsome context might be useful06:22
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sahin_hI just reinsatlled Gutsy again on my machine to test it and I don't know why... the artwork is so beautiful.06:50
Jucatoheh :)06:51
sahin_hExcept the icons. These are a little old school.06:51
Riddellbeautiful artwork is kwwii's doing06:51
sahin_hkwwii is a genius06:52
Jucatoyeah, that's why Ubuntu stole him :P06:52
sahin_hIs it means kwwii won't work on kubuntu anymore? :-O06:53
kwwiisahin_h: thanks :-) check out the oxygen icons...they are out attempt at improving things06:53
Jucatohm... sahin_h, fresh install of gutsy, is the resolution of usplash correct?06:53
sahin_hkwwii: Yes, oxygen is simply fantastic. However I have to wait for KDE4.06:54
sahin_hJucato: Yes06:54
Jucatohm.. mine isn't :(06:54
Jucatooh well... I only see it for a few seconds :)06:54
Riddellsahin_h: he's worked on kubuntu, that's why we have new artwork in gutsy06:54
Jucatokwwii: btw.. if I haven't told you yet... you rock! :)06:54
Riddellsahin_h: did you install from a daily CD?06:54
kwwiiJucato: ;-)06:55
sahin_hRiddell: No, I used tribe506:55
jjessei love the new look06:55
jjesseanyone have any problems w/ a hotplug package today doing updates?06:55
sahin_hI've a dual headed machine at my home, so I would like to see how it works. (Gutsy)06:56
PitaAnyone here using Compiz with the latest, greatest updates to Gutsy?  Any ideas how to make it use the KDE window decorator instead of the Emerald one?  It just switched on me with a recent update, and I can't figure out how to make it go back07:04
PitaOr should I be asking this in #ubuntu-effects?07:08
jjessei like the restart is required that is new07:08
Riddelljjesse: oh that worked?07:09
jjesseRiddell: yeah, didn't know what the icon in the tray was, so i clicked on it and it told me a reboot was prompted07:09
jjessethen it asked me to reboot and rebooted07:09
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RiddellPita: dunno I've afraid, that channel may be better07:10
ScottKRiddell: If you can get me a Konsole .deb for the pty crash, I can test it on a box known to have that problem.07:13
RiddellScottK: feisty or gutsy?07:14
Riddellamd64 or i386?07:14
ScottKI've done Gutsy and it's fine (i386)07:14
ScottKI just commented in hte bug.07:14
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ScottKI can test Feisty if I get a Feisty .deb.07:14
ScottKOr I can just do it after it's in feisty-propsed if you'd prefer.07:15
RiddellI'm building now, will take a couple of hours07:15
ScottKOK.  I'll be around for ~ 4 hours.07:17
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mendredRiddell: can the strigi systray applet be configured to do content search rather than file search?07:22
Riddellmendred: that would need to be changed in the source code I think07:28
mendredRiddell: ok thanks07:29
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mendredRiddell: ideally shouldn't the parameter to be searched be configurabe? say either content.keyword/audio.album etc..like how strigiclient presents it?07:31
mendredor for simplicity should it just be content.keyword to search anything and everything?07:32
jjesseok getting a problem updating my gutsy install07:32
jjesseErrors were encountered while process hotkey-setup07:32
Riddelljjesse: poke sladen07:33
Riddellactually, he's probably travelling07:33
Riddellso report a bug07:34
jjesseRiddell: ok will do07:34
Riddelljjesse: how were  you updating?07:34
jjesseapt-get update07:34
Riddellsounds like it could be problematic for beta07:35
jjesseit causes a problem for kubuntu-desktop as well07:35
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Riddellhotkey-setup does?07:36
jjesseRiddell: yes, errors occured processing hotkey-setup and kubuntu-desktop07:37
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jjesseis that against the package hotkey-setup/07:40
Riddellyes07:41
jjessethere is a bug filed against it07:50
jjessesubscribed07:50
Riddellwhat's the number?07:51
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marseillaiRiddell: would you have time to help me on CDBS ?07:54
marseillaii got a debian rules done with deb_helper this part works : http://pastebin.com/m5217e200 but i would like to port it on CDBS and i don't succeed. :s do you have an idea?07:56
coreymon77Riddell: where am i supposed to write this team report, where on the wiki?08:04
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Riddellcoreymon77: well remembered.  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports09:12
Riddellmarseillai: sorry, not online just now09:12
marseillaiRiddell: no problem i've continue with deb_helper and almost succeed now09:12
RiddellScottK: http://muse,19inch.net/~jr/tmp/konsole_3.5.6-0ubuntu20.3_i386.deb09:13
ScottKRiddell: OK.  It'll take me a few minutes to find my Feisty hard drive and reboot the laptop.09:14
ScottKRiddell: I just realized that my Feisty has been upgraded to 3.5.7.  Do you think I can still test that .deb?09:15
RiddellScottK: should think so yes09:15
Riddellbut we'll need 3.5.7 packages too right enough09:16
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ScottKRiddell: I think there's an issue with that URL.09:31
ScottKRiddell: Got it.09:34
ScottKRiddell: Tests good on 3.5.6 Feisty (I lost track of hard drives.  The one I have is 3.5.6).09:39
ScottKI commented in the bug.09:39
marseillaiRiddell: i've done a package of iTest server and client : http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/iTest?content=57550 but the binary are in /usr/share what i must install in /usr/bin ?? a symlink is enough ?09:47
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nixternalwas there a font update or what?10:16
coreymon77whats iTest?10:17
coreymon77something to do with macs?10:17
marseillainot10:17
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stdinan iTest is something they do to check your sight :p10:17
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marseillaimaybe hobbsee would like to make itest into edukubuntu ?10:18
coreymon77interesting10:19
coreymon77isnt just edubuntu10:19
coreymon77or is there an eduku aswell?10:19
nixternalwth is edukubuntu? :) you mean edubuntu with the groovy kde desktop?10:20
nixternaland iirc, I believe that is my project somehow, someway10:20
marseillaiyes i've saw something like that if i well remember10:20
jjessei thought they were making it so the kde-edu sutff integrated better?10:21
marseillaiarf10:21
marseillaisorry nixternal10:21
marseillainixternal: so may be this would have his place into edubuntu10:21
nixternalwell, it would be a tad bit late for Gutsy10:22
nixternalbut definitely something to look at in the future10:22
coreymon77couldnt they put it in though10:22
coreymon77as an optional10:22
coreymon77kinda like whats gonna happen with kde410:22
ScottKcoreymon77: It's to late for adding new packages.10:22
nixternalnot right now...new uploads have been closed for almost a month now10:22
coreymon77where is this teams wiki page?10:26
coreymon77i need to know for the report10:26
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nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu10:27
nixternalI think10:27
nixternalI don't think we really have a team wiki, but if we did, there should be a link somewhere on that page10:27
marseillainixternal: i'm not packaging it to gutsy but hardy! i know it's too late! but i've been busy with girlfriend all the holiday...10:28
nixternaloh ya, that would rock...I can talk with ogra about that app and see what he has10:28
nixternalI know they are a big school tool user, and there is a testing app already, but I don't know if it is a Qt/KDE app10:28
coreymon77nixternal: nope, doesnt seem so10:28
coreymon77nixternal: isnt this the kubuntu-devel team10:29
coreymon77or is that considered the kubuntu team10:29
nixternalI would go with kubuntu-devel10:29
marseillainixternal: i've try this one and it's really amazing! look on the website there are some demo screencast ...10:30
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coreymon77okay then10:31
coreymon77ill jsut put it directly on the team reporting page10:31
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coreymon77nixternal: i take it you want me to put the tribe 6 highlights in the report right/10:34
coreymon77?10:35
nixternalthere were no tribe 6 highlights, as there was no tribe 610:35
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coreymonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe6/Kubuntu?highlight=%28gutsy%2910:37
coreymoncheck there10:37
coreymon77nixternal: these are the highlights, done by you10:38
coreymon77nixternal: is that what you want in the report?10:38
nixternalya, nix those10:39
nixternalthose could be deleted10:39
coreymon77???10:39
nixternalI started the page, but tribe 6 never happened10:39
coreymon77so, what do you want in the report?10:39
nixternalthey canceled its release10:39
coreymon77what do i put in then?10:39
nixternalI have no idea what to put in the report..that is jono's baby, he would know more10:39
nixternalI love when people create these micro-management projects and then don't provide further information10:40
coreymon77i put in the report what the team has been doing this month10:40
nixternalsounds good to me10:40
coreymon77what has this team been doing this september?10:40
nixternalI would have put "for a good time call ScottK"10:40
ScottKgood/bitter, sure.10:40
nixternalhahahaha10:40
nixternalHobbsee is the chief of all Kubuntu, she would know all that has been happening10:41
nixternalI don't even know what has been happening...docs are done, uploaded for translations, but LP and Rosetta sucks, and nobody is approving the new files and deleting the old...so as it stands, there probably won't be many kubuntu doc translations again10:42
coreymon77well hobbsee is not on alot when i am, so thats a little difficult10:42
coreymon77what they probably want is gutsy stuff10:42
nixternalyou can put that "nixternal says LP and Rosetta suck, people aren't listening to emails about Kubuntu docs translations, and he taught his dog how to sit up"10:42
coreymon77do i put in the tribe 5 highlights?10:42
nixternaldon't think they care so much about highlights as they do the work the team has been doing10:43
nixternaljust put "doing kubuntu bug work"10:43
nixternalif they have a problem with it, I am willing to bet they will get with you and tell you what they want :)10:43
nixternalif you ask and that doesn't work, just do something that will piss them off and force them to tell you :p10:44
coreymonlook10:44
coreymonhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/September2007?action=show10:44
coreymon77thats where they go10:44
coreymon77and one team has already done it10:44
coreymon77so how do i formulate that for us?10:45
nixternal:%s/MythTV/Kubuntu10:45
nixternal:)10:45
coreymon77nixternal: adding xfce as default window manager? for kubuntu? that probably wouldnt work10:46
nixternal:%s/XFCE/KDE10:46
nixternalhahaha10:46
nixternalthat still wouldn't work10:46
coreymon77nixternal: so? what do i put?10:46
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coreymon77nixternal: it wouldnt be very god for me if the first thing i was told to do as a kubuntu member was not done or not done properly10:47
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coreymon77nixternal: so, if you could take the fall, great, but otherwise, i need info on what to do10:47
nixternalcoreymon77: ohhh. i was going to say it wouldn't be your fault, but then I just seen a link to guidelines10:47
coreymon77nixternal: the guidelines tell me only what i already know10:48
nixternalOMG10:48
coreymon77that im supposed to put what the team has been doing10:48
nixternalya, the guidelines are garbage10:48
nixternalwell, we have been fixing bugs with kdebase, kdelibs, kdepim, kdebluetooth, kdenetwork10:49
nixternalummm10:49
coreymon77problem is, what has the team been doing10:49
coreymon77im not really on the team so i dont have access to this stuff10:49
nixternalwe have completed the docs for gutsy and uploaded them for translation10:49
nixternalyou have the same access I do silly10:49
coreymon77as in, i dont really know what would be going on10:50
coreymon77nixternal: you guys are more in the loop as to that10:50
nixternalgot dolphin all tweaked out to takeover the default file manager spot10:50
coreymon77nixternal: now i need that in language that i can put in a report10:52
coreymon77im normally not a formal person10:52
coreymon77but "all tweaked out" doesnt say much in a report10:53
nixternalheh10:53
nixternals/all tweaked out/properly configured10:53
coreymon77...10:53
nixternaldolphin has received so many tweaks, that I can't even keep up with it10:54
nixternalJucato would be a good point man on that one...I think he did some hacking on it10:54
coreymon77you mean youve finished configuring and tweaking dolphin to take over default file manger position10:54
nixternalI haven't, but someone has10:55
coreymon77nixternal: small problem with that, once again, completely different timezones10:55
nixternalya, but jucato hardly ever sleeps10:55
coreymon77nixternal: could that be the right way to put it?10:55
nixternalemail the list and see if you can get some feedback that way10:55
coreymon77its due for tomorrow10:55
nixternallovely10:56
coreymon77sorry bout that10:56
coreymon77ive been busy with school starting and the high holidays and the like10:56
nixternalI hear you there10:57
coreymon77and the most important holiday is tomorrow10:58
coreymon77meaning that i gotta get it done for today10:59
coreymon77i can still edit it10:59
coreymon77but i should get it in today10:59
coreymon77so10:59
coreymon77okay10:59
nixternalheh, Mythbuntu is the only one who got their stuff done so far10:59
coreymon77we should probably have about 6 points10:59
coreymon77like mythbuntu11:00
coreymon77so11:00
coreymon77weve got 311:00
coreymon77anything else you know of11:00
nixternalthat is all I can think of...if I come up with something...OH YA11:00
ScottKcoreymon77: Getting Bug #117731 fixed in Gutsy and the Feisty SRU prepared is a big deal IMO.11:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11773111:00
nixternalderr11:00
nixternalI fixed kdebase for dapper -> gutsy for the kdm security vulnerability11:01
nixternaland the python/konsole kpart lovin'11:01
ScottKThat bug was breaking both upgrades and kde-gdebi on low memory systems.11:01
coreymon77what so you mean by dapper -> gutsy?11:01
ScottKHint: Getting the SRU published before Gutsy beta is released would avoid a pretty large number of failed to upgrade bugs.11:02
coreymon77ScottK: was the bug fixed?11:02
ScottKcoreymon77: He means Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy.11:02
nixternaldapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy have all been fixed11:02
ScottKcoreymon77: For nixternal's security fix.11:02
nixternalI wasn't dereferencing dapper there :)11:02
nixternal(*dapper).gutsy :)11:02
coreymon77ScottK: was bug #117731 fixed?11:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11773111:03
nixternalyes11:03
coreymon77okay11:03
ScottKThat was fixed in Gutsy and the Feisty SRU is prepared and being tested.11:03
nixternalodd though, why does it say undecided/in progress11:03
nixternaloh, that is why11:03
coreymon77is that a big deal?11:04
coreymon77is this bugfix a big deal?11:04
ScottKYes.  It's been a big bad bug for a long time.11:04
ScottKThat one, yes.11:04
coreymon77okay11:04
ScottKWithout getting that one solved everyone upgrading Feisty -> Gutsy with less than ~1.5 GB RAM + swap would have failed to upgrade.  That's why having it figured and having the SRU in progress is important.11:05
ScottKIn Gutsy kde-gdebi would flat out not work.11:05
coreymon77umm11:06
coreymon77how do i make the bug number into a link to the launchpad bug page on the wiki11:06
coreymon77as in make bug #117731 a link to the page11:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11773111:06
nixternal[https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731 Bug #117731] 11:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,In progress] 11:07
coreymon77was it only fixed in gutsy?11:08
ScottKYes,  The fix for Gutsy was release and the Feisty update is being tested.11:09
coreymon77btw, im curious11:15
coreymon77why is the new file manager called dolphin11:15
coreymon77isnt this kde11:15
coreymon77doesnt everthing need a k in it?11:15
stdinthat's an old convention that's dropping away, besides Amarok starts with an 'A'11:16
nixternalhaha, Fox News rules11:16
stdinand "plasma" has not K in there at all :)11:17
nixternalthey just told the Microsoft guy on there that Vista is the biggest piece of junk ever to be sold on the market11:17
nixternalthe Microsoft guy started to say "well that just isn't true..."11:17
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nixternaland the Fox News person broke in and said "you're right, I forgot about the Yugo"11:17
nixternalgahahahahaha11:17
coreymon77fox sucks11:18
coreymon77fox news is the least reliable thing out there11:18
nixternalyou are insane11:19
coreymon77when i go to someone in the states on vacation, the only reason sometimes watch it for entertainment11:19
coreymon77besides11:19
coreymon77i hate fox and everything associated with it11:19
coreymon77ive completely boycotted them11:19
nixternalyou either have MSNBC which is ruled by the democrats and Microsoft, CNN which is ruled by the liberals, or Fox News, who is ruled by the conservatives and pharmaseuticals (I killed the spelling)11:20
coreymon77or you have ctv11:20
nixternalwth is ctv?11:20
gnomefreakinternet?11:20
coreymon77nope11:20
coreymon77canada11:21
nixternalfox news rules them all, with bbc right behind11:21
coreymon77im not american11:21
nixternalsometimes I wish I wasn't either11:21
coreymon77sometimes?!11:21
coreymon77i take it now would be one of those times11:21
nixternalheck no...I am in the military, so whenever my men and women are working their lives away, I stand behind them, even if the terms of their work is wrong11:22
coreymon77our dollar actually went over par against yours yesterday11:22
coreymon77anyways11:23
coreymon77i need one more point for the report11:23
nixternalgrr, I don't like when that happens...I enjoy buying computer compenents from Canada, as it is usually cheaper for us11:23
nixternalwow, it is pretty much dollar for dollar right now...so that means back to newegg :)11:24
stdinone of my Great British Pounds is worth 2 of your dollars11:24
coreymon77nixternal: no more getting stuff from us for dirt cheap11:24
stdin:p11:25
coreymon77stdin: w/e11:25
coreymon77stdin: this is big news for us11:25
coreymon77stdin: hasnt happened for close to 30 year11:25
coreymon77s11:25
nixternalright now, big news for us is the rate cuts, so I can see myself buying yet another house within the next year11:25
coreymon77nixternal: the greenback is collapsing11:26
nixternallord knows the only reason they do rate cuts is to prevent a recession though11:26
coreymon77nixternal: the rate cuts were part of the reason we went over par11:26
nixternalthe greenback will more than likely never collapse...don't care if bush was president for the next 50 years11:26
ScottKcoreymon77: That's what they said 30 years ago when the Canadian dollare got all the way to 1.05 US$.11:26
=== ScottK was in Canada then.
coreymon77ya but11:26
nixternalold man!11:26
nixternalhahahaha11:27
coreymon77the reason this happened was mostly becasue the greenback has gone down,11:27
nixternalya but? isn't that a furry thing that runs around in the back yard?11:27
nixternalthe greenback hasn't gone down, it has always been $1 :)11:27
nixternalhahahahaha11:27
ScottKcoreymon77: Same thing then.11:27
ScottKWe were doomed.  Doomed I tell you.11:27
coreymon77no we arent11:27
coreymon77we are doing quite well thanks11:28
coreymon77:P11:28
ScottKOnce global warming hits, you'll be lost without snow.11:28
nixternallol11:28
coreymon77okay11:28
coreymon77typical american11:28
nixternalwhere da snow go ey11:28
coreymon77canada is a frozen wasteland11:28
coreymon77not true11:28
ScottKcoreymon77: Actually not at all.  I've spent more time in more countries (including Canada) than probably 95% of Americans.11:29
ScottKI can, however, pick on a stereotype with the best of them.11:29
nixternalI am with ScottK with that one, and I am sure because of the same reason11:29
coreymon77okay11:29
ScottKYep.  Although I've also lived outside the US as a civilian.11:29
nixternalspend a few months in Iraq, and snow will become a godsend11:30
coreymon77im talking many americans here11:30
coreymon77oh11:30
coreymon77i love snow11:30
=== ScottK too.
coreymon77skiing is one of my favourite things11:30
nixternalI for one, can't live w/o snow11:30
nixternalI can't ski to save my life, but I make the damn best snowball you have ever been hit with11:30
nixternal:p11:30
=== ScottK doesn't ski anymore to save what little is left of his knees.
coreymon77although this whole frozen wasteland bit?11:31
coreymon77not true11:31
nixternalin Chicago we get that super wet heavy snow with all of the bad chemicals in it11:31
ScottKcoreymon77: I know.11:31
coreymon77its 25 degrees here11:31
nixternalso if I make it right, it will cut and sting11:31
ScottKSounds like Chicago.  Snow and severe pollution.11:31
coreymon77at the end of september11:31
nixternalgotta love it11:31
nixternalpeople are like "why do you drive so much?"11:31
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nixternalya, like I would rather walk and breathe in all of those chemicals11:31
nixternalalthough, I just tried to buy a segway from craigslist, but someone beat me to it11:32
nixternalI would ride that with a gas mask on :)11:32
coreymon77lucky ass11:32
=== ScottK rode a bicycle in college.
coreymon77segways arent allowed much in toronto11:32
nixternalScottK: that is only because they didn't make cars yet11:32
ScottKGot run over (literally) by a mini-van.11:32
nixternalbadda bing!11:32
coreymon77only privat propertu11:32
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coreymon77property*11:33
ScottKHeh.11:33
coreymon77ive ridden on one before though11:33
nixternalman, segways have become super popular in Chicago this past year11:33
coreymon77they are allowed in the distillery district11:33
nixternalI think it is because of Google and all of their employees riding around on them11:33
coreymon77the segway tours done there are extremely popular11:33
coreymon77i went on one11:34
nixternalthey just started segway tours in Chicago this summer11:34
coreymon77damn they are so fun to ride!11:34
nixternalthat was the first time I rode one, and I was addicted11:34
nixternalsome guy was selling one on craigslist for $150011:34
coreymon77toronto should get with the program though11:34
coreymon77they will eventually11:34
ScottKWhere I live it'd take half a day to get anywhere on one.11:35
coreymon77anyways11:35
nixternalheh11:35
coreymon77back to the report11:35
coreymon77i need one more point11:35
nixternalScottK: I would say in the next 8 months, I should be living right down the road from ya11:35
ScottKcoreymon77: DId you mention Riddell is enjoying his vacation?11:35
ScottKThat could be your last point.11:36
ScottKnixternal: You've mentioned the possibility.11:36
nixternalgroovy11:36
nixternalman, something in here stinks...time to find out what11:36
coreymon77is that really a point for kubuntu?11:36
nixternalback in a bit11:36
coreymon77or do you guys just want to put in a completely pointless thing into the report11:36
ScottKcoreymon77: If you need one more point it is.  It'll be kind of funny too and that's always good in status reports.11:36
coreymon77just for the hell of it11:36
ScottKThat too.11:36
coreymon77okay then11:36
coreymon77good with me11:36
coreymon77as i said11:37
ScottKIt'll make someone smile so they'll like the report better.11:37
coreymon77im not usually a formal serious person11:37
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ScottKcoreymon77: Just remember that it was nixternal's idea if anyone asks.11:37
coreymon77okay11:37
coreymon77what is he11:37
ScottKCool.11:37
coreymon77lead developer11:37
coreymon77riddell11:37
ScottKSomething like that.  I'd have to Google for an exact title.11:37
coreymon77ScottK: can you tell me11:39
coreymon77ScottK: quickly find out, i gotta go11:39
ScottKOh.  I'll look11:40
coreymon77quick11:40
ScottKHow about lead Kubuntu developer.11:40
coreymon77damn it11:41
coreymon77i accidentally navigated away form the page11:41
coreymon77have to start again11:41
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ScottKYour back button may get you the content back.11:44
ScottKHere's a good read for your spare time (I think it's not subscription only); http://lwn.net/Articles/105375/11:47
marseillainixternal: in wich categorie do you think should i set iTest ?11:48
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tomahi, are all bugs getting closed with no activity for 60 days?12:06
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