[12:39] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> how can i resize my ext partition? cant do it whilre i've booted from it, nor is it letting me do it while on the Live cd
[12:40] <wesley_> the i386 version doest work on amd64 and compiling is something i just need to learn
[12:40] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> it says its mounted but its not mounted
[12:40] <Karti> wesley_: I had similar issues but got it working with a noapic install, but could not get it to recognise my USB drives....
[12:41] <wesley_> okee guys i succeede just typ sudo before the commando
[12:41] <ScorpKing> Cael_LiveCDkubun: boot from the live cd and go to install. follow it till you get to disk setup and select manual. after you resized it just quit the installer.
[12:43] <wesley_> now i learned to compile by myself
[12:43] <LjL> wesley_, the i386 version *should* work on amd64. lots of people use it
[12:44] <wesley_> it did'nt by my and then again if i compile its better
[12:45] <LjL> 'fya say so
[12:46] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> is 12~15GB enough for kubuntu out of a 120GB hdd?
[12:47] <LjL> Cael_LiveCDkubun: it will most definitely run
[12:47] <wesley_> and prog like kdenlive you need to compile also
[12:48] <onur_> hi all
[12:48] <onur_> anyone give me a link about installing beryl in kubuntu ?
[12:48] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> grrrr
[12:48] <onur_> howto or documentation..
[12:49] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> it crashed installer second ittried resizing
[12:50] <wesley_> onur do you use intel ?
[12:51] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i suppose since not much is on my install
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> repartition my whole disk but
[12:52] <onur_> wesley_: yes
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> make the ext partition 15gb
[12:52] <BluesKaj> evening folks...beautiful here in Northern Ontario tonight , still like summer :)
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> laving the rest for a OSX Tigwe partition
[12:52] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> *Tiger
[12:53] <wesley_> onur then you should just searh on beryl in the packing manager
[12:54] <BluesKaj> 15G doesn't do Kubuntu much justice if you plan on doing media projects ...you may regret noyt leaving enuff room once you realize how easy it is.
[12:55] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> hows 30gb?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> much better :)
[12:55] <ScorpKing> hi BluesKaj! i've only got a 12GB hd and it suck. :P
[12:56] <BluesKaj> yeah , I know the feeling ...was stuck with 2 6G drives for a while too
[12:56] <ScorpKing> anyway, bedtime for me. nite everyone!
[12:56] <BluesKaj> 160G goes a long way to accommodate both Linux and windows :)
[12:58] <onur_> wesley_: just that ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Cael_LiveCDkubun, what size is your HDD ?
[12:58] <wesley_> uh beryl and you need to select beryl manager and emerald
[12:58] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> 120gb
[12:59] <BluesKaj> cool, so you have some space
[12:59] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i need space for swap, Ext, OSX, yaboot
[12:59] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> (this is a G3 PPC iMac)
[01:01] <BluesKaj> how much RAM ..if you have under 1G ram 1-2G swap is fine , double it if it's under 512Mb
[01:01] <onur_> wesley_:  :) thanks
[01:03] <onur_> wesley_: i install this packages
[01:03] <onur_> anything other ?
[01:03] <onur_> wesley_: i install these packages
[01:05] <onur_> wesley_:  ?
[01:05] <SilentDis> hello :)
[01:05] <wesley_> yes did it work?
[01:06] <onur_> how ?
[01:06] <onur_> alt+f2 and giving that command ? "beryl" or "beryl-manager" ?
[01:06] <onur_> how can i start it ?
[01:06] <wesley_> system > beryl-manager
[01:07] <onur_> perfecT!
[01:08] <onur_>  :)
[01:08] <onur_> thanks wesley_
[01:09] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> hmmm now isee the drives mounted in /media/untitled its been awhile since i used linux less kubuntu, how do i unmount a drive while on liveCD?
[01:09] <SilentDis> bit of an odd question here.  I have a slow 'net connection on eth0, and sometimes use an EVDO 'net connection via kppp.  if I connect via kppp, my apps still use eth0 by default.  is there some way to tell the system to favor the kppp connection when it's on, and default back to eth0 otherwise?
[01:09] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: sudo umount /path/to/mount
[01:11] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> subuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo unmount /media/untitled
[01:11] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> sudo: unmount: command not found
[01:12] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: not "unmount", "umount" :)
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> ahh
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> umount: /media/untitled: not found
[01:12] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> but partitioner shows thats where its mounted to
[01:13] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: pastebin the output of mount -i please :)
[01:13] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> long list ,
[01:13] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: yep, use pastebin
[01:13] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> should i paste right into channel?
[01:13] <SilentDis> !pastebin | Cael_LiveCDkubun
[01:13] <ubotu> Cael_LiveCDkubun: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <keaton> I blew a fuse and when my computer came back on, X wouldn't start. It tells me my Nvidia kernel isn't working or some such thing.
[01:15] <SilentDis> keaton: can you pastebin the error you get?
[01:15] <SilentDis> !pastebin | keaton
[01:15] <ubotu> keaton: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <keaton> Can you copy and paste from a raw terminal?
[01:16] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38047/
[01:16] <NickPresta> keaton, highlight the text with your mouse and then middle-click to paste it
[01:17] <SilentDis> keaton: ahh, can't even get into X.  you can, but it's a hastle.  try reconfiguring X to use just the default vid driver, at least that way we can get you going again, and try some stuff.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:18] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: looks like you're looking for this command:  sudo umount /media/disk :)
[01:19] <wesley_> yaha compile is succesfull
[01:20] <keaton> Okay, can someone provide me with the default X configuration file for Kubuntu Feisty's alternative video installation?
[01:20] <jordo23> Hey Kubuntu nation!
[01:20] <keaton> If you can, I'll /msg my email address.
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: no luck with just reconfiguring X?
[01:21] <keaton> I have very little luck reconfiguring X in plain command line.
[01:21] <keaton> I'm running in a terminal, btw, X died horribly.
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:21] <SilentDis> keaton: first choice is to choose the vid driver, pick "vga"
[01:22] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> still acts like its mounted and wont let me commit any changes
[01:22] <keaton> Thanks, man.
[01:22] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> that being w/ qparted
[01:23] <SilentDis> keaton: you can 'default' your way through most of it.  at the end, it'll ask how to choose the resolution, pick simple setup, 1024x768x60hz (or something very close to that).  works pretty good as a 'failsafe'
[01:23] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i can still "temporarly" download and install a package while in LiveCD right?
[01:23] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: it's been a while since i've tried that.  if you have enough memory for ubuntu to expand into, i don't see why it wouldn't work though.
[01:24] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> (512MB ram ^^)
[01:24] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: for example, i wouldn't try that on a 512mb memory machine.
[01:25] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i just see if i cant get GNOME partitioner
[01:25] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: if push comes to shove, reboot.  should unmount cleanly during the reboot.  not sure exactly what we're aiming for here is all...
[01:25] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> to get the hdd to unmount so i can resize the ext3 partition
[01:26] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: yeah, just reboot from a LiveCD.  you'll start 'clean slate' and won't have to worry about it :)
[01:26] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> i am on the LiveCD
[01:28] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: and you mounted while on the CD, right?  i am not sure what's hanging on it, it would take a bit of digging in log files to figure out what's specifically wrong.  it would be easier to just tell the OS to reboot, and just go from there.  simplest to impliment solution to problem :)
[01:28] <BlueVette> Hello.
[01:29] <SilentDis> !hi | BlueVette
[01:29] <ubotu> BlueVette: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:30] <BlueVette> Question:   On my laptop, running kubuntu, I have the wifimanager running (the one with the icon of 3 or 4 bars).. I can tell it to scan for the network and it finds it.  I can choose "switch to network" and enter in my admin password and it returns to the manager window, but it does not pull a new IP address.  If I reboot, it defaults back to looking for my home network SSID instead of the hotels
[01:30] <BlueVette> suggestions?
[01:31] <SilentDis> BlueVette: not from me, sorry.  i'm having my own network quandries right now lol
[01:32] <SilentDis> I have a kppp managed connection, and a 'fallback' connection on eth0.  everything tries to use the eth0 interface first for net access.  is there any way to tell the OS to prefer the kppp connection if it's available, and only default to eth0 if it's not available?
[01:37] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> finallly~!
[01:38] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> Gparted (GNOME PARTIONER) is resizing my ext3 partition
[01:38] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: woot!
[01:38] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> but why the installer's partitioner or qpart couldnt do it  is beyond me
[01:39] <freqmod> I have a hexdump of a file that i need as binary, does anybody know about any programs that can convert a hex string to .bin
[01:39] <Cael_LiveCDkubun> while it start the resizing i'mam go get some smironoff before local party store closes
[01:39] <wesley_> kdenlive installs fails
[01:40] <SilentDis> Cael_LiveCDkubun: lol
[01:40] <wesley_> in mandriva it sits just in the packing manager
[01:44] <wesley_> it sucks to not be able to make a amv in linux
[01:46] <Kr4t05> wesley_: Indeed
[01:47] <Biovore> amv?
[01:48] <Agent_bob> i'm glad i finally learned a little about ip routing
[01:48] <Biovore> NAT is not a small bug
[01:48] <Biovore> :-P
[01:49] <Agent_bob> NAT lives in LAN
[01:50] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: grats.  now you can live with the pain of trying to explain even the basics, like how the 7 network layers work, to someone uninformed :D
[01:51] <Agent_bob> heh so is gNAT a small bug or an opensource LAN ???
[01:51] <wesley_> there ony cinnerila or how it calls for making amv
[01:52] <Agent_bob> SilentDis i didn't say i knew enough to do that yet.  i simply said i'm not "totally" illiterate now.
[01:53] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: hehehe.  the layers are easy, a few moments in the wiki will get you quickly up to speed on the overview of it, and the rest just falls into place for any logically thinking person :)
[01:53] <Agent_bob> linky ?
[01:53] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
[01:53] <Agent_bob> k
[01:53] <Biovore> avidemux is ok for chopping video together..
[01:55] <wesley_> amv is diffent with kino you can cut and all but not use a differt audio song
[01:55] <kalel> ciao
[01:55] <kalel> ce nessuno?
[01:55] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: microsoft's network model is6 layers... iirc, they combine 3 & 4 together (network and transport).  someone correct me if i'm wrong on that :)
[01:56] <SilentDis> !italian | kalel
[01:56] <ubotu> kalel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:56] <Biovore> yeah.. microsoft assumes TCP or UDP for everything in there net stack
[01:56] <kalel> e tu come mai parli italiano?
[01:56] <Biovore> !it
[01:56] <kalel> !it
[01:57] <kalel> ok
[01:57] <Agent_bob> SilentDis k  noted
[01:57] <kalel> i'm kalel
[01:57] <SilentDis> Biovore: he won't re-respond when someone else triggered the info bit for a few moments.  a flood filter :)
[01:57] <Biovore> rg
[01:57] <kalel> i can't speak english
[01:57] <Biovore> dam #ubuntu
[01:57] <Biovore> !es
[01:57] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:58] <Biovore> !it
[01:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:58] <kalel> non esiste
[01:58] <kalel> il canale
[01:58] <kalel> ubuntu-it not exist
[02:00] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: when you start to understand the OSI model, it gets a LOT easier to diagnose and fix any networking problems.  Just start at L1, and work your way up.  the problem just jumps out at you then :)
[02:01] <Agent_bob> makes sense
[02:04] <Agent_bob> timezones which way is plus and which way is minus  Etc/GMT{+/-}#   settings ?
[02:05] <Agent_bob> EU/Asia is +    the americas is -     is that correct ?
[02:06] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: for the most part, yes.
[02:06] <Biovore> Greenwitch, England is +0
[02:06] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: median line draws through france.  everything west is minus, everything east is plus, up to the ocean.  easy 'rule of thumb' way to remember it :)
[02:06] <Biovore> east coast USA is +4 (+5 in the winter)
[02:07] <Biovore> west coast USA is +7 (I think)
[02:07] <SilentDis> Biovore: -4 bio ;).  i'm in Wisconsin, we're considered -6 here :)
[02:07] <Biovore> yeah.. -
[02:07] <Biovore> hehe
[02:07] <Biovore> look how the globe spins
[02:07] <Biovore> the day starts in japan and that area
[02:08] <Biovore> and end in the West coast of the americas
[02:08] <SilentDis> Biovore: ends in Alaska/hawaii, actually.  still america, technically lol
[02:11] <Agent_bob> ok it was the hw clock that was off.
[02:12] <kalel> come statte
[02:12] <kalel> chi mi aiuta?
[02:12] <SilentDis> !it | kalel
[02:12] <ubotu> kalel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:13] <kalel> [02:13]  [470]  #kubuntu-it #ubuntu-it Forwarding to another channel
[02:13] <Agent_bob> i think i have to make /etc/adjtime a symlink to /dev/null to keep linux from messing up the hwclock
[02:14] <Agent_bob> kalel yes    to   #ubuntu-it
[02:14] <kalel> non riesco ad andare su kubuntu-iy
[02:14] <kalel> kubuntu-it
[02:14] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: what distro are you using?  i had none of these problems... and even have my hw clock set to local, for windows when i boot into it (1 or 2 times a year :P)
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SilentDis they called ubuntu when i started
[02:15] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: what version?  6.06, 6.10, 7.04, 7.10?
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SilentDis dapper
[02:16] <Agent_bob> i think.   don't think this box still has hoary on it...
[02:16] <Agent_bob> yeah dapper
[02:16] <SilentDis> !version
[02:16] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:16] <Agent_bob> no lsb modules here mate
[02:17] <SilentDis> doh lol
[02:17] <Agent_bob> and i think i may have wrote that infonode
[02:17] <pdu> hi
[02:17] <Jucato> cat /etc/issue
[02:17] <Biovore> yeah.. not on brezzy eather
[02:17] <SilentDis> pdu: not yet.  oh!  the greeting, not my state.  hello! :D
[02:18] <Agent_bob> Jucato that would work on a default /etc/issue* file  yes
[02:18] <Jucato> I guess so.
[02:18] <Biovore> hmm
[02:18] <Biovore> lsb_release does work on brezzy
[02:18] <Biovore> should be on dapper too
[02:19] <Agent_bob> one could check the bash version   kernel version if it was standard issue    and the libc6 version
[02:19] <Jucato> only if lsb-release is installed
[02:19] <Agent_bob> Biovore sure it works on dapper    if there are lsb modules installed    i.e. default install
[02:20] <Jucato> lsb-base is sure to be installed (I guess). but lsb-release might not
[02:20] <Agent_bob> nothing sure about lsb-base either
[02:21] <Jucato> hm... I thought it would have too, since Ubuntu is lsb compliant
[02:22] <Agent_bob> Jucato heh you probably thought that bash would have to be there too    or perl   or python   :)
[02:22] <Jucato> bash is there
[02:22] <Jucato> and perl. not sure about python...
[02:22] <Agent_bob> wasn't at one time.   i did reinstall it.
[02:22] <Agent_bob> perl is not
[02:22] <Jucato> strange
[02:22] <Agent_bob> python is not
[02:23] <Agent_bob> not so strange.   just remember who you are talking too
[02:23] <Jucato> aaaanyway...
[02:23] <Jucato> I try to forget
[02:24] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:24] <Jucato> mental cabbage and all...
[02:24] <Jucato> er.. I meant baggage
[02:24] <Agent_bob> like a migrane ?
[02:30] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/
[02:32] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/ stdin
[02:33] <thomas__> whats the best way to share a printer between windows and linux????
[02:33] <Agent_bob> !webcam
[02:33] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:34] <SilentDis> thomas__: my router has an LPT port on it, that worked well for me.  having said that, you can do it either way, the windows box sharing the printer (linux gets at it via Samba), or the linux 'puter shares it via samba to the windows machine.
[02:34] <Agent_bob> cups
[02:34] <Agent_bob> !printer
[02:34] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:34] <SilentDis> thomas__: Agent_bob is right, cups works great too
[02:34] <thomas__> SilentDis: cups? The printer is on my windows machine
[02:35] <thomas__> SilentDis: and I have a lan
[02:35] <Agent_bob> move it  :)
[02:35] <dmgubuntu> Hi
[02:35] <NickPresta> Hi dmgubuntu, welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:36] <BluesKaj> thomas__,yes  cups is the way to go , run the printer wizard in system settings/printers
[02:36] <dmgubuntu> I am trying to dual boot kubuntu with windows. Can some recommend partition sizes? I would like to have a shared partition for c: and /home
[02:37] <SilentDis> thomas__: then you'd share the printer in windows the way you'd normally do so.  in kubuntu, make sure samaba is installed (sudo aptitude install samba), then Kmenu > System Settings > Printers > Add > Printer > SMB Shared printer :)
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> Oh I have 80GB
[02:37] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows XP?
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: yes
[02:37] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: sorry. should have said so.
[02:37] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: windows for gaming?
[02:38] <dmgubuntu> The person I'm setting it up for isn't ready to make the complete switch
[02:38] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: no apologies necessary.  i have *some* experience with this, having set it up for others, they all tend to end up living in linux though lol
[02:38] <Agent_bob> dmgubuntu linux system needs about 3g min.   6g is plenty     home needs as much as you will use.     but your home needs to be on a real file system   not that M$ crap they call a file system
[02:38] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: I believe a little gaming will probably occur
[02:39] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: depending on the games... 30-40gb for windows.
[02:39] <dmgubuntu> Agent_bob: understood
[02:39] <BluesKaj> yeah , I dual boot for scanning reasons only , otherwise windows would be history on this pc
[02:39] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: oh that's a lot
[02:39] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: i have tons of space, so i may not be the best example here... lol
[02:40] <dmgubuntu> Does anyone have a minimum partition size for XP?
[02:40] <newbi> Agent_bob: the tuto to install the webcam didnt work how do i install the drivers for linux
[02:40] <newbi> ?
[02:40] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows got 20g main, 25g Fat32.  Linux got 90gb for /, and another 200gb for /home, and 10gb for swap lmao
[02:41] <Agent_bob> newbi i don't have a webcam  sorry.
[02:41] <newbi> how to install my webcam trust wb-5400 on kubuntu?it's usb :/ stdin
[02:41] <newbi> Tm_T: ^^
[02:41] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Windows XP will live comfortably for a long while in 10-15gb space.  minimums hover right around 7-10gb to keep it usable
[02:41] <BluesKaj> yeah I run 25g for windows but I don't do any media dvd stuff on it so there's plenty of room
[02:41] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: nobody ever taught you the term "overkill" did they? :)
[02:41] <BluesKaj>  10G for swap ?  .what a waste :)
[02:42] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: lmao.  never mind the 1TB raid array i turn on when i video edit lol
[02:42] <Agent_bob> "Linux got 90gb for /"  <<< you wasted 85g right there
[02:42] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: sounds lovely. And here I am with an 80GB laptop to work with. :(
[02:42] <BluesKaj> as if anyone needs 1tb even for video
[02:43] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: 4 300gb full height 300gb scsi ultra-wide 2 drives.  it screams, and shakes the floor with how noisy it is.  10krpm all the way lol
[02:43] <BluesKaj> good for bragging rights tho :)
[02:43] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: you'd think that... but /tmp is in /, and video editing does use it.
[02:44] <dmgubuntu> BluesKaj: and then some
[02:44] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: it's REALLY nice to have uncompressed mpegs of 2hrs long sitting there, makes it quick lol
[02:44] <Agent_bob> SilentDis that's not system space that's tmp space.   you could put tmp on a 80g partition   :)
[02:44] <BluesKaj> I just burn the stuff to dvd ...why bother storing it
[02:45] <newbi> how d i check wat is conected to my usb ports?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> system menu /media
[02:45] <BluesKaj> or lsusb
[02:45] <dmgubuntu> Okay so seriously... how about 15GB
[02:45] <Agent_bob> let me explain why.   the fs used(written to) the most is usually the first to give trubble, and you would rather that not be the root fs
[02:46] <dmgubuntu> and then 10 for kubuntu
[02:46] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: it's a 'job' for me.  i rip old home videos and such (wedding footage from 8mm, beta, vhs, etc) in highest quality i can achieve, then convert it to a DVD.  it's nice to just have it all there to work on.  yes, it's overkill, but i'll never 'run it out' as it were, and the drives were dirt cheap on ebay :)
[02:46] <dmgubuntu> and the rest as shared space
[02:46] <BluesKaj> SilentDis, do you use tovid and avidemux?
[02:47] <newbi> BluesKaj: if lsusb in the konsole doesnt see my webcam that mean its not install or not workin good?
[02:48] <dmgubuntu> Everybody: thoughts please... 15GB for XP, 10GB for kubuntu, 2GB swap and the rest for a shared patition for music/photos etc.
[02:48] <BluesKaj> newbi, try relogging in with the usb device connected
[02:48] <BluesKaj> then do lsusb
[02:48] <Agent_bob> dmgubuntu should work
[02:48] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: as needed, yes.  unfortunatly, my vid cap card doesn't work under linux (ATI card, and i just haven't gotten around to it), so that's one thing that i still do mostly in windows :(
[02:49] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: how much memory is in the system to begin with?
[02:49] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: 7.5GB for Kubuntu, the rest as ext3 as Linux /home
[02:49] <dmgubuntu> 80GB
[02:50] <Agent_bob> memory  !=  hd space    heh
[02:50] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: so ... || 15GB XP || 7.5GB Linux / || 2GB swap || ext3 Linux /home ||
[02:50] <dmgubuntu> oops 2GB
[02:50] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: laptop?
[02:51] <dmgubuntu> correct
[02:51] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: do you care about hibernation?
[02:51] <Agent_bob> i have  mem
[02:51] <Agent_bob> Memory Used/Total Percent: 10/91 MB (10%)
[02:51] <Agent_bob> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[02:51] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: I'd go with mneptok's suggestion there.  15gb for XP, ~7GB for /, 2gb swap, ~15gb /home.  no need for an extra fat32, you can access ext3 in windows, and linux can access everything anyway :)
[02:51] <dmgubuntu> does it matter whether I care about hibernation. It's iffy with Linux anyway. I mean at least in my experience. sometimes it hibernates sometimes it pretneds to hibernate and won't wake up
[02:52] <mneptok> Agent_bob: if you want your laptop to hibernate, physical RAM must </= swap
[02:52] <BluesKaj> SilentDis, dunno if yer interested but if you have an ATI here's a tutorial you might try :http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[02:52] <Agent_bob> mneptok this isn't a lappy
[02:52] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: nvidia vid card, ATI capture card ;)
[02:52] <mneptok> Agent_bob: dmgubuntu's is.
[02:52] <dmgubuntu> Agent_bob: the machine I'm asking about is a lappy
[02:53] <dmgubuntu> jinx
[02:53] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: as soon as i get around to it, it'll be a hauppauge vid cap card... and i KNOW it'll work in linux :)
[02:53] <Agent_bob> then you need actually about 10k more swap than ram    but who is counting...
[02:53] <BluesKaj> oh sorry SilentDis ...i have a tv wonder pro , got it working with tvtime
[02:54] <dmgubuntu> Now where was I... so /home is accesible on XP? I did a clean switch a couple of years ago.
[02:54] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: http://fs-driver.sf.net
[02:54] <flake> how do i get audio on qemu, trying to run win98 on ubuntu
[02:54] <SilentDis> BluesKaj: hmm... damn you, i didn't wanna do any 'projects' today... *starts working on getting the cap card working in linux*
[02:54] <mneptok> dmgubuntu: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[02:55] <dmgubuntu> first url gets 404
[02:55] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: there's a windows driver that'll let you read/write to an ext2 file system (it can read/write ext3 as well, but i'd recommend disabling the write ability, for fear of mucking the journal)
[02:55] <francois> hey, someone mistakenly associated USB drivers with digikam, how do i disassociate it ?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> dmgubuntu, try ntfs-3g and ntfs-config
[02:55] <dmgubuntu> read only. Got it!
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-3g
[02:56] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:56] <francois> sry, i meant drives. not drivers, haha
[02:56] <Kr4t05> Does anyone think that you really should bother having a swap as large as 2GB?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-config
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-config - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !info ntfs-config
[02:56] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[02:56] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: personal opinion here... I have read access to NTFS from linux, and read access to ext3 from windows.  I can't write, but usually reading is enough :)
[02:56] <dmgubuntu> so I need drivers for windows and linux to read ext3 and ntfs respectively?
[02:57] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: Ubuntu can read NTFS w/o problem.
[02:57] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: no driver needed then? Or did I miss something?
[02:57] <Agent_bob> just mount it ro and go
[02:57] <SilentDis> dmgubuntu: it's just writing to NTFS that needs a special driver.  Windows needs the ext2 driver to read/write to an ext2/3 partition.  again, i caution against writing, but that's just me and my opinion :)
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> SilentDis: got it.
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> Thanks a bunch
[02:58] <dmgubuntu> all
[03:01] <Agent_bob> which would be easier to learn perl python C  ?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yeah , i don't much like writing to linux from windows so I dropped the ext2/3 driver from XP
[03:03] <Agent_bob> no comment eh,   maybe i should stick with sh
[03:03] <hydrogen> well
[03:03] <hydrogen> thats kind of a crazy question
[03:04] <hydrogen> because the real answer is ruby
[03:04] <Jucato> ...
[03:04] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:04] <Agent_bob> sorry should have included that
[03:05] <Agent_bob> which would be easier to learn  RUBY perl python or C  ?
[03:05] <Jucato> knowing your love for bash, you might find perl to be the easiest... :P
[03:05] <Agent_bob> yeah.
[03:05] <hydrogen> no
[03:05] <BluesKaj> ruby on rails ?
[03:05] <hydrogen> perl is never easy
[03:05] <Jucato> knowing your love for shells, you might find perl to be the easiest... :P
[03:06] <Jucato> you definitely don't know Agent_bob yet :)
[03:06] <Agent_bob> lol
[03:06] <BluesKaj> no matter , any of those lingos is greek to me :)
[03:07] <Jucato> don't you mean geek to you? :)
[03:07] <BluesKaj> well,  geek greek then
[03:08] <Agent_bob> yeah it's all geek to me too
[03:08] <Agent_bob> [ bb -o ! bb ] 
[03:09] <hydrogen> you can't tell me that this code is nice and easy to learn
[03:09] <hydrogen> -ap056 @Q=map$_^($_^=v0 x3)^lc=~y/aeiouy//.v47.s/\w/$&/g,$_,@F;$_="@F"&"\x7f"x60;s/[^.] {3}$/^I^I^I/;s!.+!$#Q $&
[03:09] <hydrogen> @Q[0..split] 
[03:09] <hydrogen> !;y/\0^I/ ./;s/ +(.*\S) */:^I$1/g
[03:09] <BluesKaj> got this scsi 4.5G drive with a 50 pin connector...anyway of using my promise ultra card to add it to wifeys old HP Pavilion celeron ?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> easy to learn    maybe    nice  no.
[03:11] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj not unless you can come up with an addapter,    or i don't think so any way
[03:12] <BluesKaj> yeah , need to go from 50 on the drive to 40 on the card
[03:12] <Agent_bob> what you need is a card and cable
[03:12] <Agent_bob> i think i may have one.... let me look
[03:13] <BluesKaj> i have a promise ultra card
[03:13] <Agent_bob> no i guess i let it go with some other scsi stuff
[03:13] <BluesKaj> 2-40 pins conns tho
[03:14] <Agent_bob> but that's not scsi
[03:14] <Agent_bob> i did have an scsi card with 50 pin comb on it.    can't find it now.
[03:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, maybe a call to ratshack is in order
[03:15] <Agent_bob> actyally had two.  one isa and one pci  .....
[03:17] <Agent_bob> ah ha.   found the box that stuff went out in...   don't have them any more.
[03:19] <BluesKaj> well, wifeys HDD is almost full and she won't switch to linux ... her fav solitaire game isn't available in Linux, and the graphics in wine are awful
[03:19] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj but if you can find an ultra wide scsi interface card (i like aic7800 series) some of them have both the 50 pin comb and the 80 contact plug on them.     really expands the hd capacity of older boxen
[03:20] <BluesKaj> right on ...I'll look for one on ebay :)
[03:21] <Agent_bob> or usb external drives...  slower but work.
[03:23] <Agent_bob> i have a question.   how can a cpu be 550mhz k6   in one box   take it out and plug it into another box and it becomes 350mhz k6-ii   ???
[03:23] <Agent_bob> if i hadent seen it i would call a man a lier for saying it...
[03:23] <Agent_bob> hadn
[03:23] <Agent_bob> 't
[03:24] <Agent_bob> !enter | me
[03:24] <ubotu> me: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:24] <Jucato> duh...
[03:24] <Jucato> the bot doesn't know anything about pronouns or mental cases :)
[03:24] <hydrogen> < !enter
[03:24] <Jucato> hahah
[03:24] <hydrogen> thats a valid shell construct
[03:24] <Agent_bob> but i'm trying to teach it about one of them Jucato
[03:25] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:25] <hydrogen> hmm
[03:25] <hydrogen> !enter | HEY YOU
[03:25] <ubotu> HEY YOU: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:26] <NickPresta> !botabuse
[03:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:26] <NickPresta> =P
[03:26] <hydrogen> that wasn't abusing the bot
[03:26] <hydrogen> that was telling you not to type that in and press enter!
[03:26] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | ubotu what is the real reason you are here?
[03:26] <ubotu> ubotu what is the real reason you are here?: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:26] <Agent_bob> that is  ^
[03:26] <hydrogen> humm
[03:27] <Jucato> tsk tsk....
[03:27] <ImDale> Anyone using sound-recorder to record fm radio through a soundcard mic jack?
[03:28] <Agent_bob> ImDale have used audacity to record line0 before...   why do you ask ?
[03:29] <ImDale> sound-recorder is coredumping on file size.
[03:29] <ImDale> Talk show is about 4 hours long, and it dumps at 3:22 minutes
[03:30] <Agent_bob> 3.3 minutes... ?   </blinks>   i was recording 90 minute tapes...
[03:30] <ImDale> I'm running sound-recorder as a root cron job onto an ext3 file system that holds DVD sixes ISOs just fine.
[03:30] <ImDale> um, 3 hours, 22 minutes.
[03:30] <garfield_> is trust webcams good?
[03:31] <Agent_bob> yeah that's what im saying.  file size, on a 3.3 minute rec, is not the issue.  must be something else.
[03:33] <ImDale> Looks like it's coring at around 1GB file size
[03:34] <ImDale> Sorry, no, 2.1GB
[03:34] <Biovore> oh.. some filesystems can't handle files over that size..
[03:34] <Agent_bob> 2.1g for 3 minutes of sound ???    bloat!
[03:34] <elvin_> ass
[03:34] <ImDale> not 3 minutes, 3 hours ;)
[03:34] <Biovore> still kinda big..
[03:35] <Biovore> raw wav?
[03:35] <ImDale> Yes, raw wav
[03:35] <Agent_bob> yeah. must be raw and high bit rate
[03:35] <Biovore> yeah..
[03:35] <Biovore> record to flac :-P
[03:35] <ImDale> Default fir sound recorder is CD quality, I think
[03:37] <ImDale> sound-recorder only outputs wav/pcm/cdr/ima3/ima4/ima5 ... I have no clue what any of them are but wav
[03:37] <ImDale> Know of any good places to learn about the very basics about this?
[03:38] <garfield_> the heck with trust webcam i'm carriyng it back to the store >_< i cant even use it on xp
[03:40] <ImDale> What's a good command line tool to do recording to flac or ogg?
[03:43] <Agent_bob> sox    rec -t ogg      maybe ?
[03:53] <garfield_> i need help to install my webcam "trust wb-5400"
[04:03] <Warbo> Hi, what tool can I use to configure compiz fusion in KDE (gutsy)? The settings I have in gconf (through compizconfig) aren't used when running in KDE with "compiz --replace"
[04:04] <Jucato> !compiz-fusion
[04:04] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:06] <Warbo> Jucato, OK thanks (I didn't know which room to join, #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-effects. #kubuntu is first alphabetically :P )
[04:06] <Jucato> hahah
[04:06] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 is for gutsy
[04:08] <garfield_> Jucato: do u know how to install drivers for webcams?
[04:08] <Jucato> nope...
[04:09] <garfield_> Jucato: how do i check to see what drivers my linux have allready?
[04:09] <garfield_> im going to cary back the webcam it sucks
[04:09] <Jucato> !webcam
[04:09] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:12] <ImDale> hrrmm... found  blog where a guys doing htis very thing and sox core dumps at the same recording length - 3 hours 22 minutes.
[04:15] <Warbo> Crisis averted. Turns out Compiz Config was working fine but the settings had all been reset :)
[04:17] <Jucato> lovely :)
[04:20] <Agent_bob> no this mussent be...    my tape drive is k'put
[04:21] <Agent_bob> !
[04:21] <gustavo> :)
[04:22] <Agent_bob> while i would much prefer laugh as cry,  this is hardly funny.
[04:22] <Agent_bob> i have work yet to do
[04:23] <Doctor_Nick> house
[04:23] <Doctor_Nick> horse
[04:24] <Agent_bob> gad'zuk  i am undone.
[04:39] <thomas__>  can't get samba working............I want use my windows networked printer
[04:44] <lewix> how do I change my password
[04:45] <NickPresta> lewix, K Menu > System Settings > About Me > Change Password
[04:45] <lewix> NickPresta, from the cmd
[04:46] <Jucato> passwd
[04:46] <Jucato> man passwd to be sure of the options
[04:47] <thomas__>  can't get samba working............I want use my windows networked printer
[04:48] <NickPresta> thomas__, you have to be more descriptive than that. What isn't working? What have you tried?
[04:49] <thomas__> NickPresta: I've tried to go through the system setting - printers and adding a printer
[04:50] <thomas__> but don't know how to configure it properly, I've read documents but
[04:50] <thomas__> NickPresta: still having trouble, can u help?
[04:52] <ubuntu> hi
[04:52] <ubuntu> sup everyone?
[04:52] <NickPresta> thomas__, I use samba to print to m windows printer (printer connected into a windows system)
[04:53] <NickPresta> thomas__, essentially I just followed the Add Printer/Class wizard. It worked on the first try.
[04:53] <ubuntu> i cant' figure out the commands for mountain
[04:53] <ubuntu> i tryed /
[04:53] <thomas__> huh kubuntu  to windows?
[04:53] <ubuntu> and nothing
[04:54] <Biovore> mount command?
[04:54] <ubuntu> ya mount command
[04:54] <Jucato> mountain...
[04:54] <ubuntu> so i can install
[04:54] <ubuntu> lol
[04:54] <Biovore> mount what?
[04:54] <Jucato> what are you trying to install?
[04:54] <ubuntu> free bsd
[04:54] <ubuntu> i also use kububuntu
[04:54] <Biovore> freebsd is an operating system
[04:54] <ubuntu> i know it is
[04:54] <ubuntu> they all are
[04:55] <Biovore> boot from the disk
[04:55] <ubuntu> i did that
[04:55] <ubuntu> i need too know
[04:55] <NickPresta> !enter | ubuntu
[04:55] <ubotu> ubuntu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:55] <Jucato> !mount
[04:55] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:55] <ubuntu> ahh ok i have g parted on disk
[04:55] <Jucato> ubuntu: see that ^^^ but I'm guessing you'll get more assistance in #freebsd
[04:56] <thomas__> NickPresta: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/printing/C/printing.html#network    it s ays to go to global settings but I can't find it
[04:56] <ubuntu> ya i see that
[04:56] <ubuntu> thanks ill go there then
[04:57] <NickPresta> thomas__, perhaps that is only in Ubuntu and not in Kubuntu
[04:57] <thomas__> NickPresta: so heeelpppppp
[04:58] <tzanger> good evening -- is there a recommended way to "bootstrap" a kubuntu install similar to debootstrap?
[04:58] <NickPresta> thomas__, as I said. You can try the Add Printer Wizard found in System Settings > Printer
[04:58] <ubuntu> um problem
[04:59] <ubuntu> how i change nickname?
[04:59] <NickPresta> ubuntu, /nick nickname
[05:00] <thomas__> NickPresta: in kubuntu?
[05:00] <NickPresta> thomas__, yessir. Kmenu > System Settings > Printer > Add > Add Printer/Class
[05:01] <thomas__> NickPresta: so the host would be like what
[05:01] <thomas__> NickPresta: 192........
[05:02] <Warbo> tzanger, you can use debootstrap :) Any K/Ubuntu differences don't matter at such a basic level (ie. it only matters when desktop packages get installed)
[05:03] <tzanger> Warbo: hmm
[05:03] <naknomik> Is there a way to play wma files on Kubuntu?
[05:03] <tzanger> so once I have a debian basic basic install, hwo do I kubuntu-ize it?  I imagine I replace the sources list for apt, but what do I start installing?
[05:03] <ubuntu__> hey
[05:04] <Jucato> !w32codecs | naknomik
[05:04] <ubotu> naknomik: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:04] <NickPresta> thomas__, when I select "Add Printer/Class", I then select SMB Shared Printer as my backend, Anonymous account, I press scan and find the workgroup that has the printer. I then select it.
[05:04] <Warbo> tzanger, use debootstrap from an Ubuntu repository, then it will install a minimal Ubuntu system directly, no Debian, and then you just need to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:04] <Jucato> tzanger: it will be almost like downloading and installing Kubuntu in the first place. but you're doing twice the work
[05:05] <ubuntu__> sup
[05:06] <tzanger> Warbo: aha
[05:06] <tzanger> I'm still getting the hang of package managers (10 years on slackware) :-)
[05:06] <Warbo> tzanger, you would do something like "debootstrap feisty /my-feisty-system"
[05:06] <Warbo> tzanger, (that is just an example folder, obviously)
[05:07] <tzanger> indeed
[05:07] <thomas__> NickPresta: it didn't find anything after I scanned
[05:11] <dotz> hi what do i need to play mp4 files?
[05:12] <dotz> !mp4
[05:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:14] <dotz> helppp how to play mp4 files
[05:14] <daedalus__> anyone willing to help with an error in the wireless.h library?
[05:14] <juacom99> bye people
[05:16] <dotz> what package/codec i need to play mp4?
[05:17] <Jucato> dotz: have you tried libxine-extracodecs?
[05:18] <marx2k> So... how does one take a screenshot in KDE?
[05:18] <dotz> yeah i had that to play mp3s
[05:26] <droach> anyone know of any good open source projects to join
[05:26] <Hirvinen> droach: What are you interested in?
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> freecol :)
[05:27] <thomas__> NickPresta: what if I can't find the printer model?
[05:27] <Hirvinen> droach: Contribute to a project that you like or find interesting.
[05:27] <droach> something in python
[05:28] <saroset> Are there any photoshop like tools?
[05:28] <Dragnslcr> !info gimp
[05:28] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3 (feisty), package size 2901 kB, installed size 7920 kB
[05:28] <saroset> Ty, Dragnslcr
[05:29] <Jucato> droach: *buntu loves creating utilities using python :)
[05:29] <Jucato> you could say that Ubuntu has a romantic relationship with python
[05:29] <droach> but you have to be a motu to even get noticed
[05:29] <Jucato> er...
[05:30] <Jucato> motu's don't sprout from nowhere. all of them started somewhere, not as motu's :)
[05:30] <droach> i want to get in a project thats young.
[05:30] <cai> how to do ?
[05:30] <Jucato> cai: do what?
[05:30] <cai> what sould i do here?
[05:30] <Jucato> !kubuntu | cai
[05:30] <ubotu> cai: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[05:31] <cai> my nvidia8400 doesn't work
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> you did install the nvidia drivers yet?
[05:33] <cai> yes i did
[05:33] <cai> but it doesn't work after reboot
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> so whats 'not working'
[05:34] <JimmyDee> define not working
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> black screen? console screen? no login screen?
[05:34] <cai> screen found,but none have a usable configuration
[05:34] <JimmyDee> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select your video card
[05:34] <JimmyDee> driver
[05:35] <cai> i did it,butalso failed
[05:35] <JimmyDee> and a suitable resolutoin
[05:35] <cai> i have installed the 14.19 drive ,the lateset
[05:39] <GuHHH> hi! anyone knows a good site for security? and a good site to implemente secure services, with tutorials?
[05:40] <Jucato> !security
[05:40] <ubotu> If you feel the need to adopt security measures for your system, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server
[05:41] <JimmyDee> isnt xserver inherently insecure?
[05:48] <dave> Hi sorry to be a painful newb but I've just switched to kde from gnome and I can't figure out how to install new themes. In gnome you drag and drop them. But it doesn't look like you can do that in kde... any help?
[05:50] <dave> Hello
[05:51] <dave> echo...
[05:51] <dave> echo...
[05:51] <Jucato> !changethemes | dave
[05:51] <ubotu> dave: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[05:51] <Jucato> !patience | dave
[05:51] <ubotu> dave: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:51] <dave> No worries Jucato I just thought I was alone
[05:51] <Jucato> you were
[05:51] <Jucato> I just came back
[05:52] <dave> Sorry
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> kde themes are a bit more complex.
[05:52] <Jucato> :)
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> There used to be a bot factoid with a link to some very good info.. but i cant rember it.
[05:53] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: look up? :)
[05:53] <Jucato> dave: no need to say sorry. I just came back. so before that. you were with ghosts :)
[05:53] <dave> Dr_Willis: yeah I noticed... I tried looking in the help but it appears undocumented.
[05:54] <dave> Jucato: I guess I'm just used to the bustle of activity in the Ubuntu channel
[05:54] <Jucato> um... it is documented... :/
[05:54] <dave> Jucato: I couldn't see anything about it in the help.
[05:55] <Jucato> it's in the User Guide..
[05:55] <dave> Jucato: might be new user blindness though
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> there are several kde theme packages and parts in the repos - not isntalled by default
[05:57] <dave> Dr_Willis: I'm looking for a nice dark theme.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> check out kde-look.org i guess. :0
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive yet to see very many nice dark themes.
[05:57] <marx2k> Whats the name of the app that has the 'bouncy icons on the taskbar'?
[05:57] <dave> Dr_Willis: Yeah I found a couple but I just don't know how to install them.
[05:58] <dave> AWN
[05:58] <dave> marx2k: I believe you are talking about Avant Window Navigator
[05:58] <marx2k> Ok
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> kde 'themes' are parts that are compozed of the window decoration, icons,  widget sets, and.. somthing else :)  in most cases the parts need to be installes/compiled seperately.
[05:59] <saizai___> weird rootkit-like directory hiding from using d4x: http://pastie.caboo.se/99284
[05:59] <marx2k> And does that require special graphics processing or can it be run with the default ATI/NVidia drivers without composting?
[05:59] <dave> Dr_Willis: Ah...
[05:59] <dave> Jucato: I'm looking at the page between chats
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> dave,  its not just a 'drag/drop' operation in many cases.
[05:59] <dave> Jucato: you need to have patience too :)
[06:00] <Jucato> heh
[06:00] <Jucato> actuallythe pointing was for Dr_Willis
[06:00] <Jucato> in case he was still looking for that "factoid" or info
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> I know how to install them. :)
[06:00] <Jucato> [11:52]  <Dr_Willis> There used to be a bot factoid with a link to some very good info.. but i cant rember it.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> wonders how all this will change with kde4. if at all. Of course I just use the plastik theme.
[06:01] <Jucato> anyway... gone...
[06:01] <Jucato> Plastik or Plastique :)
[06:02] <dave> Themes are just small problems anyway
[06:03] <dave> I need to get a few other things working yet. But I think the guys I bought the machine off will help me with those
[06:07] <Keaton> I recently had to reconfigure my X configuration and reinstall my Nvidia drivers, and now that I've done so Open GL has stopped working altogether.
[06:07] <Keaton> Any advice?
[06:09] <WaltzingAlong> Keaton: check the config file and the log   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:09] <Keaton> What exactly am I looking for?
[06:10] <WaltzingAlong> Keaton: in the log look for lines starting with (EE) marking errors. in the conf file look for "nvidia" as the driver in the device section (or maybe you see "nv" or "vesa" instead)
[06:11] <Keaton> I'll take a look.
[06:11] <Keaton> Thanks
[06:20] <daSkreech> Jucato: Quiet tonight
[06:21] <WaltzingAlong> apparently some of the regulars got the new version of outSide today
[06:24] <daSkreech> they released an update to outside?
[06:25] <daSkreech> I hear it's hotter than it was before
[06:26] <WaltzingAlong> daSkreech: apparently there are fluxuations daily
[06:26] <WaltzingAlong> stable release but with variations nonetheless
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> i haven't used it in a while, myself...lol
[06:27] <purpleposeidon> daSkreech: global warming
[06:27] <daSkreech> purpleposeidon: astute
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> so is my beachfront property in the artic a good investment, then?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> :P
[06:28] <daSkreech> Yep Better than Beach front in Florida
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:30] <purpleposeidon> subtle.
[06:32] <daSkreech> apt-get upgrade outside
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: hmm, wonder what repo that's in
[06:33] <mindcry> hello
[06:33] <daSkreech> I would hope it's in the universe
[06:33] <mindcry> anyone get problem with bluetooth dialup?
[06:34] <daSkreech> What kind of problems?
[06:34] <daSkreech> Not like I know what you are talking about :)
[06:37] <_2> well i think the failing hd was and over heat issue...
[06:37] <mindcry> im using gprs to connect to internet
[06:37] <mindcry> using bluetooth - nokia 6600
[06:38] <Jucato> wow! I couldn't do IRC when I did that
[06:38] <mindcry> and my nokia working as a modem
[06:38] <Jucato> same phone :)
[06:38] <ek_arc> Hey. Anyone familiar with errors occuring while trying to apt-get Alien?
[06:38] <mindcry> i do
[06:38] <mindcry> im currently using xp
[06:38] <Jucato> yeah my telco doesn't allow it...
[06:38] <mindcry> i already install kubuntu here
[06:38] <mindcry> :D
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: what kind of errors?
[06:39] <mindcry> but i cant get to internet without connecting bluetooth to nokia6600 as modem
[06:39] <mindcry> there is no bluetooth dialup option
[06:39] <ek_arc> hitman: When prompted to continue (y/n), I am asked to insert the Kubuntu install CD.
[06:39] <Jucato> mindcry: in Kubuntu?
[06:40] <ek_arc> When doing so, it just keeps repeating the request.
[06:40] <mindcry> yes
[06:40] <mindcry> :D
[06:40] <mindcry> in kubuntu
[06:40] <daSkreech> !bluetooth
[06:40] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: ok, you need to remove the cd as a repo
[06:40] <mindcry> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[06:40] <ek_arc> Ahh
[06:40] <ek_arc> How would I go about that?
[06:40] <Jucato> mindcry: yeah that's what I used
[06:40] <ek_arc> Sorry, still relatively new to linux.
[06:40] <mindcry> im already doing that
[06:40] <mindcry> :D
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:41] <Jucato> mindcry: ok.. I thought you said there's no Bluetooth DUN in Kubuntu
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> ek_arc: that file lists all the repos your system uses
[06:41] <mindcry> but some application was not installed yet
[06:41] <mindcry> i follow the instruction
[06:41] <mindcry> but still get some problem: software is not installed or unknown command
[06:42] <mindcry> example gedit
[06:42] <Jucato> mindcry: er... gedit is a GNOME/Ubuntu app
[06:42] <Jucato> of course it wouldn't be installed
[06:42] <_2> are we allowed to say DUN ?    i thought M$ patented that acronym or something...
[06:42] <mindcry> how to get it with kde?
[06:42] <ek_arc> Sorry whats the command to look in that particular directory again? bash is saying persmission denied.
[06:42] <Jucato> mindcry: replace "gksu gedit" with "kdesu kate"
[06:43] <mindcry> im a newbie in linux
[06:43] <mindcry> :D
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: eh...honestly never use it so not sure exactly how off the top of my head
[06:43] <mindcry> ahhhh
[06:43] <mindcry> got it
[06:43] <daSkreech> hitmanWilly: ok
[06:43] <mindcry> i write a note for it
[06:43] <mindcry> and what about permission?
[06:43] <Jucato> what permission?
[06:43] <_2> !tab | ek_arc check the dir name with the tab key.
[06:43] <ubotu> ek_arc check the dir name with the tab key.: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:43] <Jucato> _2: dunno don't care. DUN is DUN :)
[06:43] <_2> :)
[06:44] <ek_arc> Ah okay. Is there a particular prefix I need to use to look at this particular file?
[06:44] <mindcry> im getting error on write some files in etc
[06:44] <ek_arc> In the repo sources list?
[06:44] <_2> ls
[06:45] <ek_arc> Ah yes
[06:45] <ek_arc> I knew that...
[06:45] <mindcry> need a root login to do that
[06:45] <_2> that's lowercase LS
[06:45] <ek_arc> Im working my away around most of the basic commands :\
[06:45] <ek_arc> :P
[06:45] <_2> !kdesu | mindcry
[06:45] <ubotu> mindcry: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:45] <daSkreech> !root| mindcry
[06:45] <ubotu> mindcry: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:45] <Jucato> mindcry: just use sudo. the instructions in that page are correct
[06:45] <Jucato> except for the gksudo part
[06:45] <mindcry> cool
[06:46] <mindcry> i log this conversation
[06:46] <mindcry> thx alot with your help
[06:46] <mindcry> :)
[06:46] <mindcry> im just intalled it yesterday though
[06:46] <mindcry> still a new new newbie here
[06:46] <mindcry> :) lol
[06:47] <_2> !enter
[06:47] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:47] <ek_arc> ls /etc/apt/sources.list isnt returning anything, though, am I leaving something out? I doing this as root.
[06:48] <_2> ek_arc should return the file name
[06:48] <ek_arc> Ah, which it did. I was expecting a list of some sort.
[06:48] <_2> if you want to view the content use less
[06:48] <mindcry> well guys, do i need to install bluez in my kubuntu?
[06:49] <_2> ek_arc also if you need to edit it,  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:50] <daSkreech> mindcry: I don't know but in Gutsy it's auto there
[06:51] <daSkreech> I think I turned it off in mine because I will never use it
[06:51] <ek_arc> Ah yes, deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 (20070417)] / feisty main restricted
[06:51] <ek_arc> So im removing this?
[06:51] <_2> prepend   #
[06:52] <_2> that comments it out.   the info is still there but apt wont use it.
[06:52] <daSkreech> ek_arc: put a # at the start of the line
[06:52] <ek_arc> Ah, right.
[06:52] <daSkreech> That "comments" it. The parser will ignore it
[06:52] <_2> doesn't that what prepend means ?
[06:52] <daSkreech> If you want it back later just take off the #
[06:53] <daSkreech> _2: Yeah but I had typed so far I couldn't be bothered to not press enter
[06:53] <_2> yay for conciseness
[06:55] <daSkreech> +1
[06:55] <ek_arc> Apt-get works, Alien is now installed.
[06:55] <ek_arc> Thanks a lot, youve been a great help.
[06:56] <_2> i hope you know what you are breaking now....
[06:56] <daSkreech> ek_arc: What are you installing?
[06:56] <ek_arc> Flash :P
[06:56] <_2> !flash
[06:56] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> daSkreech: ek_arc that's in the repos
[06:56] <mindcry> thx daSkreech
[06:56] <daSkreech> mindcry: yuuup
[06:57] <ek_arc> Is it now?
[06:57] <ek_arc> Did not know that...
[06:57] <_2> something like flash-plugin-nonfree ???
[06:57] <ek_arc> Google pointed me in the direction of using Alien to convert the .rpm
[06:57] <ek_arc> So thats the path I took :P
[06:58] <ek_arc> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:59] <_2> pfft   one char off.   and i don't do flash.
[07:00] <ek_arc> This is mainly just so I can use YouTube and other flash based video deals
[07:01] <daSkreech> !flash | ek_arc
[07:01] <ubotu> ek_arc: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:02] <ek_arc> Yep, just installed it video the repos.
[07:02] <ek_arc> via*
[07:02] <ek_arc> Thanks
[07:02] <ek_arc> Ill be off, thanks again for your help.
[07:03] <_2> yw
[07:03] <ek_arc> Take it easy.
[07:05] <_2> i'm about to over heat the hd again.
[07:05] <_2> yeah...
[07:06] <_2> hope i don't let the smoke out of it...
[07:06] <Jucato> smoked bacon's nice
[07:06] <_2> but electronics don't work again after you let the smoke out
[07:06] <daSkreech> You using smoke this time?
[07:06] <_2> they run on smoke   i guess
[07:07] <daSkreech> If you add mirrors they become proprietary
[07:08] <_2> there is a specific amount of magic smoke in all electronic componants, once released the parts fail to function correctly.   maybe it's the smoke that keeps them thinking streight ???
[07:09] <mindcry> how can i play mp3 files? im getting error mp3 not supported
[07:09] <_2> sorry,  old habbits.
[07:09] <mindcry> anyone knows?
[07:09] <daSkreech> !mp3 | mindcry
[07:09] <_2> !ubotu
[07:09] <ubotu> mindcry: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:09] <mindcry> heheheh what "!" refers to?
[07:09] <daSkreech> mindcry: It calls the bot
[07:10] <daSkreech> and before you start
[07:10] <mindcry> ow
[07:10] <daSkreech> ubotu:  tell mindcry  about botabuse
[07:10] <mindcry> !bluetooth
[07:10] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[07:10] <_2> !botsnack | !
[07:10] <ubotu> !: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:10] <mindcry> lol
[07:10] <mindcry> yes i have some bot too
[07:10] <mindcry> :D
[07:11] <NightBird> wait... it's all knowing?
[07:11] <mindcry> cool bot you have here
[07:11] <NightBird> !answer to life the universe and everything
[07:12] <_2> !!stats
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <_2> pfft
[07:12] <_2> i'll go back to raising the temp on the hd.
[07:12] <daSkreech> I think I killed one last night
[07:13] <_2> i killed this one yestergo   but it cooled off and still retained the 'smoke'  so i'm not finished with it...
[07:14] <_2> i get a bunch of
[07:14] <_2> ldconfig: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 is not a symbolic link
[07:15] <_2> maybe i should look into that ?
[07:16] <_2> i hate 'scrollkeeper'  it makes installing or removing anything so slow...
[07:17] <_2> well that and   gconf   both togather really slow it down.
[07:18] <holyguyver> I have a computer manufactured in 2004 by fry's electronics GQ brand & I installed Kubuntu on it, yet every time it is running for longer then 10 minutes it slows down to acrawl where it will take about 20 minutes to start up any application, does anyone know what might be wrong with it?
[07:19] <kkathman> holyguyver:  have you run a TOP on it to see?
[07:19] <holyguyver> what is a top?
[07:20] <_2> yeah sounds like a memory leak.
[07:20] <kkathman> holyguyver:  try starting a konsole session, then type    top    and watch it
[07:20] <holyguyver> Alright thanks :)
[07:20] <_2> but could be a fork loop.     that would be easy to spot
[07:20] <kkathman> when your machine starts slowing down  - take a peek at top and see whats at the top
[07:20] <kkathman> yeah
[07:20] <kkathman> in any case watching it is a good start
[07:20] <kkathman> good luck :)
[07:21] <holyguyver> O it will slow down even if I do not have any programs running & never even started running any programs after startup.
[07:21] <_2> top might not find a fork loop.  just run venella   pstree    to check for that.
[07:21] <kkathman> holyguyver:  yeah that sounds like  it could be several things
[07:22] <holyguyver> & it can't be to any installed programs or mods I made because I just installed Kubuntu on it late yesterday
[07:22] <mindcry> !install
[07:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:22] <kkathman> top would show whether its a disk process, cpu process or memory leak
[07:22] <_2> what release of kubuntu ?
[07:22] <mindcry> !software
[07:22] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[07:22] <holyguyver> 7.04
[07:22] <mindcry> !packages
[07:22] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[07:23] <_2> check for mem leaks  first.    then fork loops   then hung io's
[07:24] <holyguyver> as said it is 7.04, why has any bugs been found in it?
[07:24] <_2> lots
[07:24] <_2> in each release there are lots of bugs found.
[07:24] <daSkreech> mindcry: type /msg ubotu hello
[07:24] <holyguyver> how is the easist way to upgrade it to 7.10
[07:25] <_2> easiest way will wait until it releases
[07:25] <_2> it's not out yet
[07:25] <holyguyver> O :p
[07:25] <holyguyver> I thought it was
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> um
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> not until the 10th month of 2007
[07:26] <holyguyver> I also have 6.06, should I downgreade it to that?
[07:26] <Daisuke-Ido> (hint, that's october :)
[07:26] <holyguyver> I also have 6.06, should I downgreade it to that?
[07:26] <_2> holyguyver you might try dapper and see if it is more stable on that particular hardware...
[07:27] <holyguyver> is dapper 6.06?
[07:27] <_2> yes.     but i don't much think it will be.
[07:27] <_2> !LTS
[07:27] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:27] <_2> dapper is the first LTS release
[07:28] <Jucato> next LTS will be Hardy...
[07:28] <Jucato> I think 6.06.2 will be out soon?
[07:28] <holyguyver> It once had Linspire Linux on it & worked flawlessly, but that was back in 2004/5
[07:29] <_2> Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108.
[07:29] <mindcry> ok bbl guys thx alot for help
[07:29] <mindcry> :D
[07:29] <Jucato> help?
[07:29] <mindcry> for your help
[07:29] <mindcry> :D
[07:29] <mindcry> heheh
[07:29] <holyguyver> !help
[07:29] <mindcry> mistypo
[07:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:30] <_2> "mistypo"   classic.    looks like something i would have said....
[07:30] <_2> :)
[07:30] <holyguyver> !ubotu
[07:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:31] <holyguyver> sorry you guys was doing it to me so I thought I would ubotu you guys a few times :-p
[07:31] <_2> ubotu you don't have a brain !
[07:32] <holyguyver> anyway do any of you guys know why linspire worked so well on it, yet Kubuntu is having problems, I mean they are pretty similar distros?
[07:33] <Jucato> the stats page are down...
[07:33] <Jucato> but according to someone else's stats.. yes...
[07:33] <Jucato> holyguyver: similar distros? hardly
[07:33] <holyguyver> they both are debian with KDE
[07:34] <Jucato> also, linspire comes with a lot of proprietary stuff pre-installed
[07:34] <holyguyver> I know this
[07:34] <Jucato> hm.. so are MEPIS, KNOPPIX and Debian.. but they are hardly similar :)
[07:34] <Jucato> nowadays, being based on Debian hardly means being based on Debian :)
[07:34] <holyguyver> I am just saying how come ubuntu is having problems with my PC yet Linspire did not?
[07:35] <Jucato> different setups, different packages, different builds, etc?
[07:35] <_2> why are so many dapper packages broken ?    dpkg: error processing hplip (--configure):
[07:35] <_2>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:35] <_2> seems like i'm for ever fixing a pre/postinst script
[07:35] <Jucato> talk about an ultra stable release :)
[07:36] <Jucato> but knowing you, I hardly blame Dapper :P
[07:36] <_2> Jucato normally i would say thank you for the complement,  but in this case i don't think it's anything i have done.
[07:37] <holyguyver> I just want Kubuntu/or a different linux (now if I try reinstalling inspire it wont even install) to run perfictly well so that I can finish my 3 year migration away from Windows.
[07:38] <holyguyver> I own two working computer a manufactured in 1998 & the 2004/5(can't remember)
[07:39] <holyguyver> right now I am talking from the 1998
[07:39] <Jucato> but times like this, I would suggest sticking to what works
[07:39] <daSkreech> I wanna See LTS -> LTS
[07:40] <Jucato> if that means using something not Kubuntu, then so be it
[07:40] <CrypTom> Hi all, is there a way to tell kde to use the resolution already chosen by the xserver (as it used to be before the upgrade to feisty)? kdm has the correct resolution, but it changes while logging in
[07:41] <daSkreech> !doesnt work | Jucato is bad mouthing other distros!
[07:41] <ubotu> Jucato is bad mouthing other distros!: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:41] <Jucato> daSkreech: wth are you talking about?
[07:41] <jussio1> !fonts
[07:41] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:41] <daSkreech> Jucato: I dunno I'm spleeing and typing
[07:41] <holyguyver> Also another question, after I installed Kubuntu, now every time I try to boot my computer well it is not connected to ethernet it will make a crying sound & not boot at all, & won't stop until I ether unplug the power or plug in the ethernet cable.
[07:42] <Jucato> daSkreech: stop typing
[07:42] <jussio1> Hmmm, anyone know which package it is for chinese fonts?
[07:42] <Jucato> CrypTom: System Settings -> Monitor & Display doesn't work?
[07:43] <holyguyver> Also another question, after I installed Kubuntu, now every time I try to boot my computer well it is not connected to ethernet it will make a crying sound & not boot at all, & won't stop until I ether unplug the power or plug in the ethernet cable.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> jussio1 xfonts-intl-chinese-big xfonts-intl-chinese
[07:43] <jussio1> Agent_bob: thanks :)
[07:43] <CrypTom> Jucato: it does, but i'm using a laptop with 1024x768 and sometimes the dock with external tft with 1280x1024, i hate to change the resolution every time by hand. used to "work" before feisty
[07:44] <Jucato> CrypTom: oh.. not sure about that then...
[07:45] <holyguyver> Anyone have an answer for my second question?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> i just installed *buntu-desktop on this box,  now i can annoy people in any of the ubuntu channels.... :)
[07:46] <GuHHH> Agent_bob: im not using and i do :P
[07:46] <Agent_bob> holyguyver no.  but that sounds typical of ubuntu.
[07:46] <phoenixz> Hi there, recently, when I log on to KDE, kdektop starts taking 100% cpu, until my laptop crashes.. whaat does kdesktop do, and why could it be crashing??
[07:47] <CrypTom> Jucato: kdm chooses the right resolution (I have Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" in my xorg.conf), so it chooses the best possible. but kde remembers the last used resolution and changes back to that
[07:47] <Agent_bob> GuHHH well i hate to not have a cause.
[07:48] <Agent_bob> CrypTom have kde start with an empty session ?
[07:48] <Jucato> CrypTom: I'm not really sure. But I think kdm takes its setting directly from xorg.conf, while KDE uses the user's settings
[07:48] <holyguyver> agent bob incase that annoying thing was about me, I amsorry but that is not my intention, I have only been in this one kubuntu forum, no others & I am only seeking possible salutions to honost problems that pravent my Kubuntu computer from working & keeps me on Windows.
[07:49] <Agent_bob> holyguyver it was not about you.   just ask Jucato,  he can explain.
[07:49] <Jucato> O.o
[07:49] <jussio1> hehe
[07:50] <Jucato> holyguyver: don't worry. sudden outburts from Agent_bob is a common occurrence
[07:50] <Jucato> as for the problem you're having.. no idea..
[07:50] <holyguyver> Alright I will ask him :p
[07:51] <holyguyver> !jucato
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <dale> 1st time on IRC
[07:52] <holyguyver> well ubotu knows nothing about Jucato it seems, even though Ubotu claims to be an "all knowing" infobot
[07:52] <Jucato> yeah ubotu likes to brag
[07:52] <contrast83> !everything
[07:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:52] <Agent_bob> dale pick up the computer and throw it out the window.    run while you still can.    IRC will ruin you.
[07:53] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: what do you mean by an empty session?
[07:53] <dale> :-)
[07:53] <dale> yahoo messenger already did ruin me
[07:53] <zvtral> hlow
[07:54] <dale> the usual..i got arrested for something I said on yahoo.
[07:54] <zvtral> i want ask about my ubotu
[07:54] <Agent_bob> CrypTom when kde starts, by default it returns everything to how it was when you logged out.   but you can choose to have kde start with an empty session    i.e. not revert any settings nor open any apps that were running when you logged out....
[07:54] <zvtral> whay if i compile perl in ubuntu is always error
[07:54] <holyguyver> !death
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about death - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <Agent_bob> CrypTom it's in  kcontrol.    but i am not sure that it will help with the rez issue.
[07:55] <holyguyver> it seem that ubotu knows about as much on the topic of death as humans do :p
[07:55] <dale> just putting my 2 cents in.. i am really impressed with how well wine is working these days. and kubuntu and ubuntu also.
[07:56] <Daisuke-Ido> maybe because perl is an interpreted language?
[07:56] <Daisuke-Ido> dale: escape the clutches of wine. :)
[07:56] <Agent_bob> holyguyver nah   that dumb bot don't even know what a brain is....   "You can browse my brain at..."     heh.
[07:56] <dale> i havent' found anything to replace judy's tenkey
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> zvtral: and why wouldn't you install perl from the repos?
[07:57] <holyguyver> Anyway back to problem number one, someone said "stick with what works", but now Linspire won't even install on it, so what works...DOS?
[07:57] <zvtral> perl???
[07:57] <zvtral> i do that
[07:57] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: cool, its worth a try
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> [01:57]  <zvtral> whay if i compile perl in ubuntu is always error <-are you compiling perl or not?
[07:58] <zvtral> but if i use in windows by active perl is not any problem that perl running
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> this isn't windows.
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> !repositories
[07:58] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> !packages
[07:58] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> follow your nose
[07:59] <zvtral> ok thx
[07:59] <Agent_bob> oooops   i spoke too soon.   i don't have edubuntu-desktop installed....      ;/   missed one.
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> jucato's following his to a big bag of peruvian bingo dust...
[08:00] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you have a lot to install
[08:00] <Jucato> oh you're on dapper... so they wouldn't be there...
[08:00] <Agent_bob> nah  only need to get 90m
[08:00] <Agent_bob> they ?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> Jucato which "they" ?
[08:01] <dale> is there a quick way to get the option to get gnome available as it is in Ubuntu from Kubuntu..I want the option for either..
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> dale: install ubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> and then you can choose from the login screen
[08:01] <holyguyver> Jucato, so what works on my PC then?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> dale   you might rather install     gnome
[08:01] <dale> will that get me everything.
[08:01] <Jucato> I meant.. mythbuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ichthux-desktop, matchbox-desktop
[08:01] <Jucato> Agent_bob: ^^^
[08:01] <Agent_bob> oh no they aren't avalable in dapper
[08:02] <Jucato> gobuntu-desktop
[08:02] <Daisuke-Ido> Agent_bob: why would you recommend a non-optimized gnome environment, when he asked for "ubuntu" specifically.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> only four reach back to dapper.   x ed k and venella
[08:02] <Jucato> hehe venella :)
[08:02] <holyguyver> :( ...
[08:02] <Jucato> s/optimized/customized/
[08:03] <Jucato> holyguyver: I really don't know...
[08:03] <dale> well..it's time for some sleep.
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> fair enough, Jucato
[08:03] <Jucato> you have to try it out yourself
[08:03] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Ido no he asked specifically for the option to login into gnome as with ubuntu plus kde
[08:03] <holyguyver> I have tried installing 9 different linux distros on it & so far this is the only one I have gotten to wrk recently.
[08:03] <Jucato> but still doesn't work?
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> i see "as it is in ubuntu" referring to the ubuntu customized release.
[08:04] <Agent_bob> so far recently
[08:04] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Ido maybe that's because you took it out of context
[08:04] <holyguyver> as said after being on for 10 muntes even if I do not run anything, it becomes very slow to the point of like crashing slow
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> no, no, i don't think i did.
[08:05] <dale> u guys like to argue..i will get it eventually.
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> no, i don't like to argue, really
[08:06] <Daisuke-Ido> and now it's bedtime
[08:06] <dale> have u seen the monty python skit "that's not an arguement it's just a rebuttal..."
[08:06] <Jucato> dale: to make it simple... ubuntu-desktop will install all the default stuff you'd find in a plain Ubuntu install
[08:06] <Jucato> installing the metapackge "gnome" will install all GNOME default stuff, without the Ubuntu stuff
[08:07] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: I changed the resolution back to 1024x768, chose empty session, logged out, rebooted, got the correct kdm resolution 1280.1024, logged in and the res was changed back to 1024x768.
[08:07] <Jucato> dale:  but both will give you a GNOME login option
[08:07] <Agent_bob> dale at any rate.   if you install   ubuntu-desktop   you will get the gnome desktop plus the "ubuntu defaults"   if you install   gnome  you will keep your "kubuntu defaults"  and add the gnome desktop environment       if you want the   ubuntu defaults   by all means install   ubuntu-desktop    if not   then i recommend installing     gnome
[08:07] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: so "empty session" unfortunately does not work
[08:07] <dale> ok..i know that Kubuntu desktop is an option from ubuntu but didn't find the ubuntu desktop option in kubuntu unless you mean sudo apt get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:07] <dale> iwas using synaptic
[08:08] <Jucato> dale: it should be there. and yes, it's ubuntu-desktop
[08:08] <Agent_bob> CrypTom i didn't know if it would clear that or not.    but as you said  "it's worth a try"
[08:08] <dale> ok. that's for later today since it is already friday.
[08:08] <dale> g'morning
[08:09] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: no offense! just a report of a test.
[08:09] <CrypTom> Agent_bob: thanks anyway!
[08:09] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[08:09] <holyguyver> ...well whenever everyone feels like responding to me they may...
[08:10] <Agent_bob> I'M NOT MAD !
[08:10] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:10] <Jucato> !caps | Agent_bob
[08:10] <ubotu> Agent_bob: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> ok now i'm mad.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> heh.
[08:11] <holyguyver> & a procrastanater too
[08:12] <Agent_bob> so how did the tests turn out holyguyver?   find the cause ?
[08:13] <holyguyver> I can't do the test well I am here talking to you because well I am talking to you this computer is online & as long as this one is online the other one wont even boot
[08:13] <holyguyver> I already said that
[08:13] <Agent_bob> procrast*** ?
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[08:14] <holyguyver> So I can't run tops until I get my answers
[08:15] <holyguyver> Now here let me retell you guys the whole story, because you guys obviously did not read it the first time I told you guys
[08:16] <cael> i got macinstalled w/ a 80GB partition , Kubuntu w/ 27gb, 1.4gb swap, and rest set for yaboot
[08:16] <cael> *mac os x
[08:16] <cael> but
[08:16] <cael> howdo i config yaboot for osx and stop osx from being first to boot be4 yaboot
[08:17] <Giorse> alguien de argentina
[08:18] <Jucato> ...
[08:20] <holyguyver> back in 04/05 I bought a computer from Fry's of their brand GQ. it came preinstalled with Linspire, & worked fine. The I tried installing XP on it, woopsie, that didn't go so well, so tried reinstalling Linspire but the install failed, tried a dusion more times, failed, reformat & partisioned the drive with Gpartision a dusion times, but still installs failed. then tired DSLinux, Puppy,...
[08:20] <holyguyver> ...Knoppex, Debian, Ubuntu Exfubuntu, Kbuntu, Opensuisie, all failed. so I let it sit until yesterday when I tried Kubuntu again & it worked, but after 10 minutes it runs very very slow.
[08:22] <Agent_bob> i'd say find the bad hardware and you  have found the problem.   but that's just me.
[08:22] <holyguyver> sounds like windows scewed up my HHD...?
[08:22] <Agent_bob> drop a live CD in and boot to memtest86
[08:23] <holyguyver> does it sound like a screwed up harddrive?
[08:23] <Agent_bob> no.  but if you think it's hd   then boot a live CD and    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda    assuming hda.
[08:24] <Agent_bob> then badblocks it
[08:24] <holyguyver> the problem is that liveCDs do not like running on it, I normally have to install with the alternitive install CDs
[08:25] <Agent_bob> well live CD's certanly don't fail because of hd issues, now do they
[08:25] <Agent_bob> memtest86
[08:25] <holyguyver> Does GQ have a bad repritation?
[08:25] <Agent_bob> doesn't have any reputation here.
[08:26] <holyguyver> well they are the store's own brand so I mean does that mean that they are junk from the get go, because it has yet to run for a full day in the 3 or 4 years that I have owned it.
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[08:28] <holyguyver> Well I do not know hot to do that
[08:28] <Agent_bob> start with the memtest86
[08:28] <holyguyver> no I mean I do not know hot to pull a computer a part
[08:28] <Agent_bob> or should i repete my self ?
[08:28] <Agent_bob> try memtest86
[08:28] <WaltzingAlong> Agent_bob: no you need not
[08:29] <Agent_bob> maybe memtest86 can help
[08:29] <holyguyver> or should I continue to repete myself
[08:29] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:29] <holyguyver> Look I understand that, but if it does need to be pulled apart, I do not know how to do that.
[08:29] <Agent_bob> hey here's a though,   what about memtest86
[08:29] <dsmith_> !beryl
[08:29] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:30] <holyguyver> hey here is a thought grow some ears/eyes & listen/read what I have to say
[08:30] <Agent_bob> ok i'm finished.
[08:30] <Agent_bob> good night folks.    and good luck holyguyver
[08:30] <holyguyver> thanks
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: memtest86 comes with the kubuntu livecd. you can select that at boot. it tests your RAM.
[08:32] <holyguyver> why will people not listen to me, I tried memtest on it 3 years ago
[08:32] <holyguyver> it has nothing to do with ram
[08:33] <holyguyver> look, whatever it's problem is, it was caused by winxp
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: winxp could not break the drive so that no other system can be installed there
[08:34] <holyguyver> no because winxp couldn't be installed either
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the installer of winxp would do that
[08:35] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: winxp would change the partition table but as per agent_bob's suggestion, one need only write /dev/zero to the disk to get back to square one with it
[08:35] <holyguyver> but before winxp there was one install that worked, & after it none have
[08:35] <holyguyver> I repartisioned in a dusion times as I said.
[08:36] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok and?
[08:36] <holyguyver> & I already told this room this story a dusion times
[08:37] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you have ruled out bad ram, you have ruled out bad partition tables ... what else have you eliminated? what else is left?
[08:37] <holyguyver> here I will just repost the story again
[08:37] <holyguyver> back in 04/05 I bought a computer from Fry's of their brand GQ. it came preinstalled with Linspire, & worked fine. The I tried installing XP on it, woopsie, that didn't go so well, so tried reinstalling Linspire but the install failed, tried a dusion more times, failed, reformat & partisioned the drive with Gpartision a dusion times, but still installs failed. then tired DSLinux, Puppy,...
[08:37] <holyguyver> ...Knoppex, Debian, Ubuntu Exfubuntu, Kbuntu, Opensuisie, all failed. so I let it sit until yesterday when I tried Kubuntu again & it worked, but after 10 minutes it runs very very slow.
[08:37] <WaltzingAlong> that really deserves a kick
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> i read that 17 minutes ago
[08:38] <holyguyver> I know
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> !repeat
[08:38] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:38] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: how much ram is in the system? how fast is the cd/dvd rom?
[08:39] <holyguyver> well it still has the manufactuer sticker on it I think, here let me type it out to you
[08:40] <winbond> how can i change the lag bar in xchat so it shows a number?
[08:41] <ronin_> Evening everyone.
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> winbond: do not know. still using konversation
[08:42] <ronin_> Does anyone have Wolf:ET installed?
[08:43] <giova> buon giorno ha tutti
[08:43] <WaltzingAlong> buongiorno giova
[08:43] <Jucato> !fi
[08:43] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[08:43] <winbond> WaltzingAlong, konversation doesnt work well in gutsy
[08:43] <contrast83> ronin_: on my desktop, yeah (i'm on my laptop now)
[08:43] <WaltzingAlong> !it
[08:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:43] <Jucato> heh I was confused by the IP
[08:43] <giova> sapete perche stamattina non funziona il forum di ubuntu?
[08:43] <holyguyver> GQ3151 amd geode nx 1750 128mb ddr400 sdram  40gb hard drive  10/100 fat ethernet network 56k modem 52x cdrom open 8x agp expasion slot 4 usb 2,o ports Linspire5.0 operating system
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> !it | giova
[08:44] <ubotu> giova: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:44] <ronin_> contrast83: Could you tell me how to actually install it? I have a file with a .run extension here
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> ronin_: bash ./filename.run
[08:44] <giova> sorry for my english
[08:45] <ronin_> I actually need to type  "./" before the filename?
[08:45] <giova> why today not work ubuntu forum?
[08:45] <Jucato> giova: there's an Italian channel
[08:45] <contrast83> ronin_: go to the folder it's in konqueror, hit F4 to open a terminal there, and type "chmod +x filename.run" then "sudo ./filename.run"
[08:45] <Jucato> ronin_: yes. the ./ means "in this current directory"
[08:45] <WaltzingAlong> giova: what does not work today?
[08:46] <giova> italian ubuntu forum
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> no so perche
[08:46] <giova> ok grazie
[08:47] <WaltzingAlong> giova: prego
[08:47] <holyguyver> Okay now that you guys know my spex did they bring any light to what is not the problem & what is?
[08:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the livecd works best with systems >=256MB RAM; how about using the alternate cd (or dvd) to install directly without booting first into live
[08:49] <ronin_> Contrast and jucato - Thank you, its working now.  So to run any .run file in a directory, you have to type ./ before?
[08:49] <holyguyver> I already said that liveCDs do not work on this & that I have been using the alternative install CDs
[08:49] <ronin_> Also, can you explain what the chmod +x means?
[08:49] <Jucato> ronin_: yes, any executable file in the current directory actually
[08:50] <Jucato> ronin_: chmod +x makes a file executable
[08:50] <pillowpants> http://ubuntusatanic.org/news//files/home3/parker13/satanic
[08:50] <WaltzingAlong> ronin_: the ./ just means to look for thet file there. +x is the "execute" bit. linux knows what files are based on ... what they are :) whereas windows knows them based on the names (.exe, .doc, .so on)
[08:50] <pillowpants> ha, dude how many of you knew about that?
[08:50] <pillowpants> hilarious
[08:50] <pillowpants> "ubuntu satanic edition"
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: just some color schemes and wallpapers to give a dark look, yup
[08:52] <Jucato> that was last year.
[08:52] <Jucato> literally
[08:52] <holyguyver> WaltzingAlong as said about an hour ago I have been installing from the alternative CDs, it is already installed though.
[08:52] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong: yeah, but it gave me a good laugh
[08:52] <pillowpants> ill be getting it immeadiately
[08:52] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok i was not watching an hour ago. so now that kubuntu is installed, after 10 minutes things become unresponsive?
[08:52] <pillowpants> i assume it was in response to the christian and muslim edition
[08:52] <holyguyver> yes
[08:53] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: or they were in response to it or so on
[08:53] <pillowpants> yeah
[08:53] <pillowpants> its just funny
[08:53] <ronin_> Ahhh I see. Thanks guys.
[08:54] <ronin_> Let me restart and see if it shows up in my menu. Thanks again!
[08:54] <Jucato> restart?!?! O.o
[08:56] <holyguyver> So any ideas?
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: get more RAM
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: or turn off all eye candy or use fluxbox or xfce instead
[08:57] <holyguyver> would using 6.06 fix the ram problem?
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: would your system have more RAM if you installed a different OS?
[08:58] <holyguyver> no that is not what I mean, I mean would that lessen th load? & also it does the same thing with DamnSmallLinux
[08:59] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: have you checked the logs for errors? perhaps through 'dmesg' as a start?
[08:59] <holyguyver> logs from 3 years ago?
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: have you not started the system recently? how about yields from current runs?
[09:01] <holyguyver> until yesterday it has been turned off since 04/05
[09:01] <holyguyver> it has been a paperwait
[09:02] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok and now you just get 10 minutes in
[09:02] <holyguyver> But wait one moment here!!!!!!! it came preinstalled with Linspirer5.0 which used KDE! then the ram is enough
[09:03] <holyguyver> & Linspire worked like a beaut as I said already
[09:03] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver:  ok so how about installing linspire again?
[09:03] <holyguyver> ...don't make me repost the story again...I told you the answer in there
[09:04] <holyguyver> !repeat
[09:04] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:04] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver:  yeah that you tried reinstalling linspire but that failed - got it. reposting that simply gets you ignored
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you claim to have kubuntu 7.04 on there. that means there should be current logs and config files and such. with kde you could use kpersonalizer to quickly reduce the eye candy which should help with the speed. you could also check the log files for just about everything to figure out if things are broken
[09:06] <holyguyver> I already reduced the eyecandy actually
[09:08] <holyguyver> plus as said the speed problem also has occerd when I have tried fluxbox linuxes in the past on it
[09:08] <holyguyver> & as said Linspire worked fine with KDE with all of the eyecandy
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so skip the eye candy attemp
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: attempt something else, for example scanning for errors
[09:10] <holyguyver> I would if I knew how. I already did memtest, & I will do TOP after I am done talking to you guys
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: are you on the 3151 now?
[09:10] <holyguyver> No, I already said I am on the winxp in the 1998 computer
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you can use the program ksystemlog to view some of the system logs
[09:11] <holyguyver> but that does little good if I can't understand what they are saying
[09:12] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok so what do you suggest? what were you expecting?
[09:12] <holyguyver> look even though I have been using computers since 1985, treat me like this is my first time using one
[09:13] <holyguyver> now if it says error4896m in such & such, alright then I know that, then what should I do?
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> i am not a master of all either but i understand that it is essential that i am part of the solution, when it comes to my computer
[09:13] <holyguyver> ^^
[09:14] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you should visit google, asking about that error. read what you can about it. the logs typically sit in /var/logs             something may stick out, like an error that repeats; ask about it here, search the web for it, so on
[09:15] <holyguyver> Thank you, obviously that will invalve hooking up my internet to my kubuntu just so that PC will boot, then finding the error, then rehooking it back up to this one so that I can look on google & ask her because that computer is too slow to do that.
[09:17] <zsz> what's the name of the power management application that is installed by default and sits in the tray?
[09:17] <contrast83> holyguyver: there are terminal-based browsers and irc clients. ;-)
[09:17] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: "kubuntu/kde is not fast enough after 10 minutes" is just not enough data to accurately diagnose causes
[09:17] <emilsedgh> zsz: guidance-power-manager
[09:17] <contrast83> zsz: i forget the name of the package, but you shouldn't uninstall it. gave me weird problems when i did. i take it you just want to make it so it doesn't autostart?
[09:17] <Jucato> zsz: guidance-power-manager
[09:17] <Jucato> bah too late :)
[09:18] <emilsedgh> hi Jucato :)
[09:18] <zsz> it was killed when kde-window-decorator died and I wanted to restart it
[09:18] <Jucato> hi emilsedgh
[09:18] <holyguyver> but I mean it takes 20 minutes for googles front page to load
[09:18] <contrast83> ohh
[09:19] <zsz> contrast83, how's that better?
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> !better
[09:19] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:19] <holyguyver> & as said it is not KDE because fluxbox is having the same problem on that PC
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok so it could be something specific to that machine: bios or hardware
[09:20] <contrast83> more configurable
[09:21] <holyguyver> Now, I haven't had the time to tell you guys what errors if any memtest told me 3 years ago, would you like to know?
[09:22] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: memtest provided errors? run the test now, let it run at least 8 hours.
[09:22] <contrast83> kpowersave should be the default as far as i'm concerned
[09:22] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes typically it is difficult to provide new data when repeating old data
[09:23] <holyguyver> I don't really know if it was memtest, but I did some unbuntulivecdtest 3 years ago that said that the bios was too old, but that PC was brand new & Linspire which is Debian with KDE worked fine on it, & the PC came preinstalled with Linspire, manufactured spasificly for it, so I do not see how the bios could have been too old.
[09:23] <monchu> buenos dias
[09:23] <monchu> hay algun espaol??
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> !es | monchu
[09:23] <ubotu> monchu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: alright well run the memtest again. let it run for a few hours at least. perhaps a more recent version of the bios exists
[09:24] <monchu> gracias, soy nuevo
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> monchu: we were all new once ;)
[09:25] <holyguyver> but it gave me that message only 2 days after I bought the PC brand new from the manufactuer
[09:25] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes and it may have been true then too
[09:25] <holyguyver> how can a brand new PC's bios be too old?
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: despite the ads, computers are not born the day before you go to the store to buy them
[09:27] <holyguyver> well I do know that this particiler model was for say at least one year before I bought it.
[09:27] <holyguyver> sale
[09:27] <hgarcia> where did you buy it from?
[09:27] <contrast83> frys
[09:27] <hgarcia> lol go figure
[09:27] <holyguyver> as said Fry's electronics, it is their store brand GQ
[09:27] <hgarcia> it's a 50 50 shot there
[09:28] <holyguyver> haha now see, now finally someone knows what I am talking about:D:D:D:D
[09:28] <holyguyver> :D
[09:28] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: well the short of it is that a pos was purchased and now does not work well with kubuntu 7.04
[09:28] <hgarcia> what frys store did you buy it at?
[09:29] <holyguyver> earlier about 3 hours ago in this room I asked if fry's store brand GQ had a bad reputation & everyone in here said that they had never heard of it & so it had no reputation in here, now finally someone as heard of it & can answer that question :)
[09:29] <holyguyver> I bought it from fry's phionex AZ
[09:29] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it may also have been a sign that none of us had heard of it at the time.
[09:30] <hgarcia> we just got one here in roseville ca
[09:30] <hgarcia> there is one in sacramento ca
[09:30] <hgarcia> and one in fremont ca
[09:31] <holyguyver> I am from resno CA
[09:31] <holyguyver> Fresno
[09:31] <ID107> fresno is a rock band
[09:31] <ID107> that sucks
[09:31] <holyguyver> Fresno is a city in CA
[09:31] <hgarcia> isn't it also the armpit of ca?
[09:31] <holyguyver> it is hell
[09:32] <hgarcia> lol
[09:32] <ID107> i know, its also a emo band, lol
[09:32] <hgarcia> holy what do you do for work
[09:32] <holyguyver> Anyway hgarcia my good understanding helper, so GQ is crap?
[09:33] <ID107> what cat /dev/null > / does??
[09:33] <holyguyver> I am a jeweller
[09:33] <hgarcia> never heard of that brand
[09:33] <ID107> nooo?
[09:34] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: perhaps you could contact frys for assistance, newer bios or such  http://www.fryssupport.net/support.cfm
[09:34] <hgarcia> I always stay to major manufacturers
[09:34] <ID107> where are u from? moon?
[09:34] <WaltzingAlong> i heard of frys about an hour ago
[09:34] <holyguyver> I already did that a year ago waltz, plus wouldn't hekp, sadly I do not know how to update my bios
[09:35] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you wish to learn nothing, that is a bigger problem than the slow computer
[09:35] <holyguyver> hgarcia GQ is fry's store brand of PCs
[09:35] <holyguyver> now I wish to learn how to update my bios, please tell me
[09:35] <hgarcia> is there a website you can go and download the updated bios?
[09:35] <holyguyver> I meant no not now
[09:35] <holyguyver> I meant no I do wish
[09:36] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: there are no new bios files for this computer  http://www.fryssupport.net/gqdownloads.cfm
[09:36] <holyguyver> ha
[09:36] <hgarcia> whats the model number
[09:36] <holyguyver> :p :(
[09:37] <WaltzingAlong> 3151
[09:37] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: well typically it is rather simple. a flash program to put the new rom on the bios and the new rom to be put on the bios. click click, enter enter, ok...flashing...(writing new rom to bios)...flashing...done reboot
[09:37] <holyguyver> Waltz, do you think I should repost the spex for HGarcia to read?
[09:38] <hgarcia> did you look at the bios chip and see the maker
[09:38] <hgarcia> maybe it has a model number on it
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: i think hgarcia could easily click the link on the left-hand side of the page to see the specs http://www.fryssupport.net/gq3151.cfm
[09:39] <hgarcia> I looked
[09:39] <hgarcia> I think your screwed budy
[09:39] <hgarcia> buddy
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> fixing the "your" too? ;)
[09:39] <hgarcia> I saw nothing on updating the bios
[09:40] <pillowpants> will it be possible to upgrade to gutsy, then to hardy heron?
[09:40] <pillowpants> once they come out
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: sure
[09:40] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong : excellent
[09:40] <hgarcia> I need to figure out why my fmcutter is not working correctly
[09:41] <contrast83> fwcutter?
[09:42] <holyguyver> Waltz I am sorry but I do not understand your Bio flashing instructions, by the way as I said, No I do wish to learn how, in fact I have been reading up on how to flash bios since 1997, & have been trying since back then, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.
[09:42] <hgarcia> yeah its a utility that retrieves some codes for broadcom wireless lan cards
[09:42] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: i have not seen any new bios roms available. it may not help anyway and linux can ignore bad bioses and their bugs
[09:42] <contrast83> hgarcia: is it not pulling in the firmware file again? you might need to just manually download the file, then tell it to use that one
[09:43] <holyguyver> But I am not talking about linuxes
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: really there is no trick to you. it is probably not something you ever need to do
[09:43] <contrast83> hgarcia: i had to do that several times. the default server it gets that file from is pretty iffy
[09:43] <hgarcia> I got some error when it was trying to install
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: if you want to flash a bios, you merely take one program, give it an input, click the big flash button. done
[09:44] <holyguyver> back in 1997 I was trying to flash the bios of my win3.0 so that I could upgrade to win98
[09:45] <contrast83> hgarcia: that's probably it
[09:45] <hgarcia> how do you download file manually from the repos?
[09:45] <contrast83> google around for "wl apsta o", download it, then run "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /path/to/wl-apsta.o"
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[09:46] <hgarcia> eerrr
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: ok. and the tactics would have been the same then too. there is a program that puts the new rom onto the bios and there is the new rom which you wish to put into the bios.      the program then was likely a DOS program (since windows before NT were as well)
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: not necessary
[09:47] <hgarcia> I tried to copy and paste
[09:47] <holyguyver> but what is a rom?
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: what do you mean manually? well figure out the url of it, then wget url;
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: the "new bios"
[09:47] <hgarcia> what is wget?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: ok well you could use anything, firefox url
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> !wget
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <holyguyver> then why is it called rom?
[09:48] <hgarcia> oh is
[09:48] <hgarcia> ic
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: because it is a ROm
[09:48] <holyguyver> what is a ROm?
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it stands for Read Only Memory
[09:49] <holyguyver> Thank you :D
[09:49] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: it just contains the new data to be put in the proper place to become the new bios
[09:50] <holyguyver> Thanks :D
[09:50] <holyguyver> finally some asnwers :)
[09:50] <BrightEyes`> hello.how can i watch how much memory is used from my system?(physical memory)
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: a graphical way? a cli way?   top / free / kinfocenter
[09:51] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: aham.thanks
[09:51] <hgarcia> it gave me the 404 code stating it could not be found
[09:51] <holyguyver> !kubuntu
[09:51] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[09:52] <holyguyver> !thanks
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> hgarcia: so which file were you wishing to download? so with this deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse                      then you could start firefox or whatever you wanted to use to browse to           http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/     then follow the directories from there
[09:52] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:53] <hgarcia>  bcm43xx-fwcutter
[09:53] <holyguyver> !errors
[09:53] <ubotu> If you have problems or errors, you will need to describe/paste them. Please use the !pastebin for errors that cannot be quoted in a single IRC message
[09:53] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: im having 1GB DDR memory and it shows that only 476MB are free.isnt those 524MB used by the system just too much?
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ! NO! btw, how is it being used anyway?
[09:54] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: what do u mean?
[09:54] <holyguyver> !bios
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: what good is free memory?
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <holyguyver> wow ubotu doesn't know what bios are
[09:55] <holyguyver> I was trying to see if ubotu could give me straight ansers
[09:55] <holyguyver> !en
[09:55] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:56] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: as much free memory as you can get the most fast and the most programs you can run simultaneously.isnt it?
[09:57] <holyguyver> I like Uboto, he/she/it isn't the brightest bolm in the house, but at least he talks plainly & understands me :-p
[09:57] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ok the quick of it is that any decent OS (kernel) will use RAM as much as possible since it is much faster than HD space. gnu/linux for example uses RAM for application data, disk caches and disk buffers, the latter to decreasing access to the hard drive (which is slow)
[09:57] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: yesterday i went to a friend who bought a new pc with MS Vista on it.it was using 700MB while using a plugin showing cpu usage and some other stuff.when he closed that it was using 600MB.
[09:57] <ID107> ubotu: shut up
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: ms windows is a joke with memory management
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> ID107: lol:)
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: why a joke? i want to learn
[09:58] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: it has very poor memory management
[09:58] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: i dont support MS products even that product is an os or a keyboard
[09:59] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: ok how about linux.the results on how much memory the system uses are kind of same
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> poor compared to something decent, pathetic compared to something good
[09:59] <holyguyver> !linux
[09:59] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`:  i really do not think amount of memory used is all that important in and of itself
[10:00] <holyguyver> !memory
[10:00] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[10:00] <jussio1> !botabuse > BrightEyes`
[10:00] <WaltzingAlong> jussio1: may have been better directed at holyguyver
[10:00] <jussio1> oops
[10:00] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: ok in 2 years if  ubuntu uses by default 1GB of ram what i should do if im not able to buy a new pc??? that should be a prob.where's the flash-back compatibility?
[10:01] <holyguyver> yes direct it tword me silly
[10:01] <jussio1> WaltzingAlong: its too early in the morning
[10:01] <hgarcia> to install a deb file all I need to do is type apt-get install and the file name?
[10:01] <holyguyver> I am the one who is slapping ubotu silly :p
[10:01] <zsz> hgarcia, yes
[10:01] <jussio1> hgarcia: no, sudo dpkg -i file.name
[10:01] <jussio1> !botabuse > holyguyver
[10:02] <BrightEyes`> hgarcia: sudo dpkg -i file_name
[10:02] <jussio1> ;)
[10:02] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: you want it to use all of the ram
[10:02] <hgarcia> the file name is really long and I get some weird  ~ thing going on is that normal?
[10:02] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: no i dont want it to use all of the ram..i want to have some free ram so it can run many other processes when needed
[10:02] <jussio1> BrightEyes`: was directed at the wrong person. My apologies
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: yes a little free, as linux does, then when another program needs some linux gives it
[10:03] <BrightEyes`> jussio1: :)
[10:03] <AirstrikeIvanov> Hi everyone. Where does Konqueror store browser history?
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: when no program is using it, hundreds free does no good
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: as i mentioned, i find that ms windows is very poor at memory management so one needs a 2GB system with vista because windows uses just a small portion of available ram before switching to the slow hard drive swap file
[10:04] <Jucato> !ram
[10:04] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: Jucato is suggesting you visit those two links
[10:04] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: "linux gives it" : do you mean sources return? (i know the terminology in greek so im translating)
[10:04] <holyguyver> So Jussio1 does this mean I may talk to ubotu in PM?
[10:04] <AirstrikeIvanov> Where does Konqueror store browser history?
[10:04] <Jucato> AirstrikeIvanov: press F9 and look in the sidebar?
[10:04] <jussio1> holyguyver: type /msg ubotu
[10:05] <hgarcia> that seems to be working thanks guys
[10:05] <jussio1> hgarcia: :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: yes you may
[10:05] <AirstrikeIvanov> Then how do I bypass an automatic redirect long enough to write something down, because so far that F9 trick has failed, bud.
[10:05] <boust> where do i get an adept fix?
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: linux knows how much ram is available.  a program requests some, the kernel provides some.
[10:06] <jussio1> hgarcia: you should also be able to right click a deb and install it with the kubuntu package manager also
[10:06] <hgarcia> I have a question why use dpkg instead of apt-get?
[10:06] <jussio1> !adeptfix
[10:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:06] <jussio1> boust: ^^
[10:06] <boust> lovely
[10:07] <boust> thank you once again
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: typically programs request more ram than they use
[10:07] <jussio1> hgarcia: because apt-get install the program from the repos, and dppkg installs the deb you have locally
[10:08] <hgarcia> dammit I got the same error when it tried to get the updated version
[10:08] <jussio1> hgarcia: what are you trying to install?
[10:08] <hgarcia>  bcm43xx-fwcutter
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`:  basically unused ram is wasted ram as stated http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management ; a decently configured kernel would use as much ram as possible as often as possible
[10:09] <holyguyver> every time I type /msg uboto I get an error message
[10:09] <jussio1> hgarcia: I used this for my broadcom card, it worked quite well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990&highlight=bcm43xx+python
[10:09] <ID107> holyguyver: he doesnt likes u
[10:09] <jussio1> holyguyver: it has to be /msg ubotu
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: you have to register your account with nickserv
[10:09] <jussio1> !register | holyguyver
[10:09] <ubotu> holyguyver: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[10:09] <Jucato> holyguyver: it's ubotu not uboto
[10:10] <contrast83> hgarcia: what's the exact error you're getting?
[10:10] <holyguyver> I know that was a typo
[10:10] <hgarcia> when it tries to update it can not connect
[10:10] <hgarcia> 404 error
[10:11] <holyguyver> I meant every time I type /msg ubotu I get an error message, but I think your me needing to register message is the answer to that
[10:11] <hgarcia> it always worked inthe past
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: you need to do what i said earlier
[10:11] <hgarcia> I forgot what did you say
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: manually download the file, then run "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware /path/to/wl-apsta.o"
[10:11] <pillowpants> has anyone tried RHEL
[10:11] <contrast83> hgarcia: hang on
[10:12] <pillowpants> what use does it serve?
[10:12] <hgarcia> I did download it and it was the older version
[10:12] <holyguyver> when I tpye in /msg ubotu it says "missing required perimiter message"
[10:12] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: used 666, free 344 (free -m) hehe
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: normally it is /msg ubotu  hi. how are you today
[10:13] <waylandbill> hgarcia: with the instability of websites and the net in general, something that worked before can get a 404 error.
[10:13] <holyguyver> how come I get the error message then?
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: so you needed to send the message too
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: otherwise you could use /query ubotu          which starts a new window with ubotu
[10:13] <contrast83> hgarcia: not bcm43xx-fwcutter, the file it needs, wl-apsta.o
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: here, 2GB RAM installed; used 1970MB free 57MB; swap 1953MB, used 33MB, free 1920MB;
[10:14] <contrast83> you already have bcm43xx-fwcutter installed. it just hasn't been able to retrieve a good copy of wl-apsta.o, so you'll have to help it with that step
[10:14] <BrightEyes`> cat /proc/1/maps.... whats r-xp (read-execute, what does p stand for)
[10:14] <Jucato> holyguyver: just double click ubotu's name in the nick list :)
[10:14] <waylandbill> hgarcia: I found that using ndiswrapper and a bcm driver and blacklisting the bcm43xx driver altogether worked much better than bcm43xx-fwcutter. This was in my single setup though.
[10:14] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: what the hell r u doing on that pc?
[10:15] <Jucato> holyguyver: /msg is usually used like /msg [person]  [message] 
[10:15] <BrightEyes`> p is for private...ok
[10:15] <holyguyver> O oops thanks :)
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: haha thankfully accesses to the disk have been cached. kopete, konversation, firefox
[10:16] <waylandbill> Yes. The kernel will use a large amount of ram for caching which will show a large memory usage at times.
[10:16] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: im running kde,amarok,ktorrent,amsn,konversation,firefox,konsole and im using 666MB
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: :D good
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: with kinfocenter how much memory is used for application data?
[10:17] <contrast83> hgarcia: I just googled around for that file and can't find a good download location for it at the moment
[10:17] <hgarcia> I appreciate the help
[10:18] <contrast83> hgarcia: what's your email address?
[10:18] <contrast83> err
[10:18] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: using 720MB
[10:18] <holyguyver> Man asking ubotu about ops sure gave me a long list of names :p
[10:18] <hgarcia> mjrwingnut@yahoo.com
[10:18] <Jucato> holyguyver: because there are many... across many official ubuntu channels
[10:19] <jussi01> hgarcia: dont put your email address like that - these are published logs
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: there is a graph showing how much is going to application data, disk buffers, and disk caching
[10:19] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: do u use fluxbox/blackbox wm?
[10:19] <holyguyver> so how does abusing ubotu make for angry ops?
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: i switch forth and back, but presently with kde
[10:19] <ID107> ubotu: shut up
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <waylandbill> I got 1.2GB and only 192MB free, but 41% is being used for caching.
[10:19] <Jucato> 600+MB is being used for disk cache...
[10:20] <ID107>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:20] <ID107> Mem:          2013       1391        621
[10:20] <hgarcia> oh
[10:20] <jussi01>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:20] <jussi01> Mem:       1945800    1832128     113672
[10:20] <contrast83> hgarcia: sent
[10:20] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: the graph is in ksysguard
[10:20] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: using 734MB
[10:20] <Jucato> BrightEyes`: there's also a simplified chart in kinfocenter
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: there is a nice depiction in kinfocenter as well
[10:21] <waylandbill> if you open something like a map of the US or something intensive, the kernel will surrender the buffers and cache IIRC.
[10:21] <BrightEyes`> Jucato: WaltzingAlong: aham
[10:21] <hgarcia> not like i get spam already
[10:21] <hgarcia> lol
[10:21] <Jucato> :)
[10:22] <vandenoever> hello, is there a way to install gutsy on a para-virtualized machine?
[10:22] <contrast83> hgarcia: get it?
[10:23] <Jucato> para-virtualized...
[10:23] <Jucato> what's para-virtualized?
[10:23] <vandenoever> Jucato: it means it runs in e.g. xen
[10:23] <Jucato> aah
[10:23] <Jucato> hm...
[10:23] <vandenoever> para-virtualized is more lightweight then virtualized
[10:23] <hgarcia> yes I did thanks
[10:24] <Jucato> it is? hm. too bad I don' t know how to set one up...
[10:24] <contrast83> np
[10:24] <contrast83> vandenoever: any drawbacks?
[10:25] <vandenoever> contrast83: yes, you need an os that can deal with being para-virualized
[10:25] <vandenoever> which is why i'm asking :-)
[10:25] <contrast83> ahh... heh, ok
[10:25] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: do you know how to configure an analog pci tv card easily?
[10:26] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: not really. lspci        it may be detected already. then grab some program to interface with it, mythtv, tvtime, so on
[10:26] <Jucato> vandenoever: can't find anything here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen but you might want to ask the peeps in #kubuntu-devel if gutsy can deal with Xen
[10:26] <vandenoever> Jucato: thanks, i'll let you know
[10:26] <hgarcia> ok I am doing it now
[10:26] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: lspci -> 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05). i tried with tv time but nothing
[10:26] <Jucato> oooh jos van den oever!!! that's why he's familiar :)
[10:27] <vandenoever> maybe i'll just do normal virtualization, which can be done from an iso
[10:27] <vandenoever> Jucato: c'est moi
[10:27] <Jucato> heheh :)
[10:27] <vandenoever> i got some bug reports for gutsy
[10:27] <Jucato> the other Jos of KDE :)
[10:27] <familia> im so druk (?)
[10:28] <familia> estoy borracho :P
[10:28] <vandenoever> yeah, it's a common dutch name
[10:28] <ubuntu> anyone have experience with Grub Errror 17?
[10:28] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: sorry no help from me. search the ubuntu help and forums sites i guess
[10:28] <Jucato> vandenoever: but only 2 prominent Jos'es in KDE :)
[10:28] <hgarcia> have you guys tried kde 4 yet?
[10:30] <holyguyver> :p have any of you tried asking ubotu about "love"? :p LoL
[10:30] <BrightEyes`> WaltzingAlong: thanks!
[10:32] <holyguyver> !love
[10:32] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[10:32] <holyguyver> funny & cute hu? :D
[10:32] <contrast83> what's that from?
[10:33] <holyguyver> in privet I am going to ask ubotu about sex next :p
[10:33] <holyguyver> I don't know were it is from, all I know is that ubotu said it :p
[10:34] <familia> el amor, es algo... que pocas veces se puede explicar :P
[10:34] <Jucato> !ar
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Jucato> !es | familia
[10:35] <ubotu> familia: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:38] <familia> mmmm
[10:38] <familia> esta aburrido est
[10:38] <contrast83> hgarcia: any luck?
[10:38] <familia> esta aburrido esto
[10:38] <familia> je
[10:39] <hgarcia> it helped
[10:40] <hgarcia> but the problem is still there the newer ver. is on a bad website
[10:41] <contrast83> right, but your wireless is working now?
[10:41] <hgarcia> I haven't tested it yet
[10:41] <hgarcia> I will in the am
[10:42] <contrast83> did you extract the file to /lib/firmware?
[10:42] <hgarcia> thank you for all your help
[10:42] <contrast83> no problem
[10:42] <hgarcia> yes
[10:42] <contrast83> just so you know, it's not the newer version of bcm43xx-fwcutter. that's trying to get the file from the same place it always has. it's just not always there when it tries to get it.
[10:43] <hgarcia> yeah
[10:43] <holyguyver> believe it or not ubotu has actually been really helping me out & giving me some good answers to real questions I have been wondering :D
[10:43] <roybatty> guys.. I have a prob. While instaling some updates adept crashed or something, now most things don't work, and I can't update of install with adept anymore... anyone ?
[10:43] <contrast83> !aptfix
[10:43] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:44] <contrast83> there you go, roybatty
[10:44] <roybatty> thx.. :)
[10:44] <contrast83> np
[10:44] <holyguyver> I was wondering how I could get linu to read & write to & from ntfs & ubotu told me how :D :D :D
[10:44] <contrast83> i have that command saved to /usr/bin/apt-fix.sh
[10:45] <holyguyver> I have a ntfs 500GB external hardrive
[10:46] <holyguyver> that reminds me, does ubuntu have any drivers for hp lighscribe dl dvd burners?
[10:46] <hgarcia> has anyone tried the new kde4 beta?
[10:47] <contrast83> holyguyver: yeah, it does
[10:47] <contrast83> holyguyver: i don't remember offhand where you might find them though
[10:47] <holyguyver> does the lightsribe even still work? :)
[10:47] <contrast83> hgarcia: i tried it out a couple weeks ago
[10:47] <hgarcia> what do you think?
[10:47] <nrj> Hey... been searchin for a while now.. where the heck i change resolution in kubuntu? (:
[10:47] <Jucato> nrj: System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[10:48] <hgarcia> how do you register a nick on here?
[10:48] <contrast83> hgarcia: ehh... i didn't take much time with it, to be honest. it shows promise a lot of promise, but i don't think i could use it as my main desktop yet.
[10:48] <hgarcia> I like kde
[10:48] <contrast83> nrj: or Ctrl+Alt+NumPad-/NumPad+
[10:49] <holyguyver> contrast83 do you know weather the driversd & such even make it possible to use the lightscribe part of it?
[10:49] <contrast83> holyguyver: umm... why wouldn't they?
[10:49] <holyguyver> I don't know :p
[10:49] <contrast83> holyguyver: do you just mean are there any applications that can make use of the drivers?
[10:49] <Jucato> hgarcia: /msg nickserv register [password] 
[10:49] <holyguyver> yes
[10:50] <contrast83> holyguyver: yeah, there's a labeler application for it
[10:50] <holyguyver> thanks :)
[10:50] <enjoi1216> whats up kkathman
[10:50] <holyguyver> see with that & the ntfs-3g thing all I need now is to fix that speed issue & I am good to go :D :D
[10:51] <contrast83> holyguyver: were you the one earlier that was saying you're trying to complete your 3 year migration from windows?
[10:52] <holyguyver> you guys & ubotu have been a big help & ubotu has been a blast to chat it up with in PMs :-p
[10:52] <holyguyver> Yes I am the 3 year migration guy :D
[10:53] <contrast83> i realize this might not be practical for everyone, but i think if you *really* want to learn to swim in linux, the best way is to just jump in, with no lifesaver (i.e., windows) to fall back on. that did it for me.
[10:54] <contrast83> i was using linux as my secondary o.s. for about 2 months. i still had a few windows apps i had yet to replace, but i knew i'd find suitable replacements eventually if i just started using linux exclusively
[10:54] <holyguyver> That is what I did, but 2 days after buying my preinstalled linux computer, well trying to install a doal partision of windows my computer went to hell & I had to go back to my win98
[10:55] <enjoi1216> hey kkathman are you there
[10:55] <holyguyver> I meant doul boot
[10:55] <contrast83> yeah, it's nearly impossible to install windows after linux if you want to dual-boot. it *can* be done, but it's tricky, from my understanding.
[10:55] <enjoi1216> hey contrast what is the best service to use on KDE just to go out and chat to people about whatever you want to talk about
[10:55] <contrast83> gparted might do the job for that, actually.
[10:56] <contrast83> enjoi1216: umm... -_~ ?
[10:56] <enjoi1216> like say if i want to to into a chatroom and talk about movies
[10:56] <enjoi1216> to=go
[10:56] <holyguyver> I used gparted back then, my linux computer though is just screwed up, so that is what I have been in here all night asking about
[10:57] <contrast83> enjoi1216: i'm not sure, to be honest. i'm a geek, so chatting about linux and the like in here is sufficient chatting for me
[10:57] <contrast83> :-P
[10:57] <Jucato> enjoi1216: Konversation (this IRC client) and the ##offtopic channel
[10:57] <Jucato> there are also ubuntu offtopic channels
[10:57] <Jucato> !offtopic | enjoi1216
[10:57] <ubotu> enjoi1216: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:57] <Jucato> #ubuntu-offtopic too
[10:58] <rixon> Hi, does networkmanager store a iptables-save file somewhere? It sets bad rules everytime I reconnect anyway
[10:58] <enjoi1216> i know that but lets say i want to talk to someone about movie or talk to a female then i can't do that in here
[10:58] <Jucato> enjoi1216: ask him/her if you can PM (private message) him/her
[10:58] <Jucato> then you two talk in private
[10:58] <enjoi1216> because i am therefor breaking the rules of the chatroom
[10:59] <contrast83> enjoi1216: that's not breaking the rules of the offtopic chatrooms
[10:59] <holyguyver> so constrast83 you seem to have your head on straight, so I must ask you it was fine until I tried to install windows, now ever since no matter what I install it is screwy, can you think of any reason why?
[10:59] <contrast83> holyguyver: have you looked in your bios for anything screwy?
[11:00] <holyguyver> from what the other guys found out there is no updates to my bios
[11:00] <contrast83> not updates
[11:00] <holyguyver> none
[11:00] <enjoi1216> yeah but what if it gets sexual
[11:00] <contrast83> windows can rape your bios. it did on my laptop
[11:00] <enjoi1216> see contrast thats where the problem lies
[11:00] <contrast83> enjoi1216: like Jucato just said, PM's
[11:01] <holyguyver> so, what should I do to my bios then? is there any way to reset them to factory settings or something?
[11:01] <Jucato> !language | contrast83
[11:01] <ubotu> contrast83: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:01] <contrast83> holyguyver: should be
[11:01] <contrast83> Sorry, Jucato
[11:01] <enjoi1216> yes ubotu
[11:01] <enjoi1216> but still everything you say and do the server and the mainframes record everything you talk about
[11:01] <enjoi1216> on this network
[11:02] <Jucato> enjoi1216: just talk the person in private. double click his/her name] 
[11:02] <Jucato> hm... so does any other messaging service
[11:02] <contrast83> enjoi1216: or ask them if they have Yahoo messenger/AIM/whatever and talk to them on that
[11:02] <Jucato> tsk tsk
[11:02] <holyguyver> So does anyone know how I can clean up my bios?
[11:02] <contrast83> holyguyver: every bios i've seen has an option for resetting things to factory defaults. have you checked in there at all?
[11:03] <holyguyver> you mean at boot?
[11:03] <contrast83> right
[11:03] <Jucato> there's a hardware reset too I think. with jumpers and stuff
[11:03] <holyguyver> will that force me to have to reinstall kubuntu again?
[11:03] <holyguyver> where?
[11:04] <Jucato> um.. why would you need to reinstall?
[11:04] <contrast83> holyguyver: no
[11:04] <contrast83> holyguyver: it doesn't touch your hard drive
[11:04] <Jucato> the bios has its own software (called firmware)
[11:05] <holyguyver> Alright guys thanks I will try that :D I truly hope this works & if any of the guys are chatting about me tomorrow, let them know about this breakthrough :D
[11:06] <contrast83> holyguyver: About Lightscribe - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=540063
[11:06] <holyguyver> Thanks again :D
[11:06] <contrast83> no problem. peace
[11:09] <holyguyver> yeah especially let Agent_Bob & WaltzingAlong know about this breakthrough with getting my computer to work :D I really would like them to know that I believe we have found some really solid salutions :)
[11:09] <WaltzingAlong> holyguyver: no updates for your bios. resetting to factor defaults is something to try i suppose but not something that likely will have a large impact on the outcome
[11:10] <holyguyver> well we can cross our fingers & pray :)
[11:12] <holyguyver> anyway guys I am out of here, because I need to hook up my other guy & see if we can get him fixed up with all of the salutions you guys suggested like TOPs & Memtest &all that other stuff :)
[11:13] <jussi01> good luck holyguyver
[11:17] <jussi01> Has anyone got any unanswered questions (about kubuntu)
[11:26] <Karti> jussi01: any good MySql tutorials you can recommend?
[11:27] <jussi01> !mysql
[11:27] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:30] <jussi01> Karti: does that help?
[11:30] <Karti> jussi01: Cool......now if I have a LAMP server up and running on 192.168.1.67 and I would like to create a Webpage that my home network can access through a http:\home. I have a router that is currently acting as my DNS,
[11:31] <Karti> can I create another DNS that points to my LAMP as well as my router?
[11:31] <Karti> jussi01: yES IT DID TA...
[11:31] <Karti> jussi01: oops Caps Lock
[11:32] <_buz> is there any way to remove gnome easily after trying out ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu? the gnome printer interface keeps interferring even under kde :(
[11:32] <Karti> _buz: sudo aptitude remove gnome-desktop?
[11:32] <Jucato> _buz: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[11:33] <Jucato> Karti: works only if he installed using aptitude
[11:33] <_buz> actually i did install with aptitude but gnome-desktop doesnt seem to be installed at all
[11:33] <Jucato> sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <Karti> Jucato: Ahh I see and that would be the same for apt get
[11:33] <Jucato> and if that doesn't work, see the link
[11:34] <Jucato> Karti: apt-get doesn't handle removal of metapackage very well
[11:34] <_buz> neither does aptitude it seems
[11:34] <Jucato> the "magical" effect of aptitude remove only works if it was installed with aptitude
[11:34] <_buz> (in theory it usually does fix it, but this time it doesnt really work)
[11:34] <Jucato> then see the link
[11:35] <Karti> Jucato: I was recommended to use aptitude from apt-get and it seems to work well (for me anyway) as its better designed for Debian I believe
[11:35] <_buz> Karti: usually it does work
[11:35] <_buz> not sure why it doesnt just now
[11:35] <lukasz> siema
[11:36] <Jucato> Karti: Kubuntu is Debian-based. but normally it does work. I'm just saying that there are instances that aptitude remove wont' work that way
[11:36] <Jucato> anyway, brb
[11:36] <lukasz> co robicie
[11:37] <lukasz> te mam kubu
[11:38] <lukasz> nikt nie czatuje
[11:38] <lukasz> :/
[11:38] <Karti> I must admit that I prefer it over the add remove from Windows
[11:39] <king> lukasz: slovenstinu tu asi nepreferuji :o)
[11:39] <lukasz> co ?
[11:39] <_buz> mpf the command from that site doesnt really work on gutsy very well :(
[11:39] <lukasz> king what
[11:40] <lukasz> jestem z polski / I am from Poland
[11:40] <anthronaut> !pl
[11:40] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:40] <king> lukasz: lol, sorry, my bad...i thought you were from Slovakai
[11:40] <king> slovakia*
[11:41] <lukasz> bye
[11:41] <anthronaut> czeszc
[11:43] <_buz> ah well i'll nuke gtk, that should get rid of plenty gnome stuff ;)
[12:13] <Karti> Hi all, quick one - ANtivirus that works with Kontact, so my Windows  can feel safe ;) any recommendations - Think I have used ClamAV but also noticed Ageis on the Add remove package
[12:38] <jussi01> Karti: CLamav is usually the most used one. (AFAIK)
[12:38] <jussi01> !antivirus | Karti
[12:38] <ubotu> Karti: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[12:38] <jussi01> so either of them. ( I dont use them
[12:39] <Karti> I was looking for one that would check and write at the bottom of the email that it had been checked so that others would know
[12:40] <Karti> Just installed both to have a look, but at the mo it looks as though ClamAV is freezing but I will have a play
[12:40] <jussi01> Karti: sorry, not really my area. :( I guess google is your best friend
[12:40] <Karti> I'll just see how those two go.
[12:40] <Karti> Cheers
[01:11] <GHuser> Good Day! I have a question - I am adding a repo for gutsy into /etc/apt/source.list, thed do sudo update-manager -d
[01:11] <GHuser>  Is it right way to updating to gutsy with kubuntu?
[01:19] <stdin> GHuser: no, not for kubuntu. try the instructions here first https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu#head-cfa1001afadc3e0b752edf84051ef6a84da864a4  if that doesn't work you have to replace ALL instances of "feisty" with "edgy" in your sources.list then do a dist-upgrade
[01:19] <GHuser> stdin: Thank You!
[01:20] <stdin> GHuser: ofcource by "edgy" i meant "gutsy" there :p
[01:23] <stdin> ahh caffeine, what would I do without it :)
[01:23] <jussi01> hehe
[01:31] <DexterF> !printer
[01:31] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:31] <DexterF> hm.
[01:32] <DexterF> printer issue: HP LJ4 on Ethernet, accepts jobs but wont do a thing. has been known to work fine.
[01:32] <DexterF> what shoudl I investigate?
[01:33] <DexterF> d'oh. nevermind, rj45 plug slipped
[01:33] <DexterF> shouldn't cups take notice of such things?
[01:34] <jussi01> DexterF: thats one of my main gripe with cups
[02:04] <rep_> root@repdestroi:/home/rep/Desktop/emo/amsn-0.95# make
[02:04] <rep_> make: *** Nenhum alvo indicado e nenhum arquivo make encontrado.
[02:05] <rep_> alguem sabe resolver esse problema?
[02:05] <LjL> rep_: have you run ./configure?
[02:05] <LjL> !pt
[02:05] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:05] <rep_> yes
[02:05] <kim_> Hey! I'm running gutsy and trying to get my vx rev. mouse to work..the first problem is that xev don't work..it's just blank..anything special I have to do?
[02:06] <rep_>  --with-ogg --with-vorbis --with-curl
[02:06] <rep_> checking for gcc... gcc
[02:06] <jussi01> !gutsy
[02:06] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:06] <rep_> checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
[02:06] <rep_> checking whether the C compiler works... yes
[02:06] <_freedom_> anyone here running GNOME right now?
[02:06] <rep_> checking whether we are cross compiling... no
[02:06] <rep_> checking for suffix of executables...
[02:06] <jussi01> kim_: so head over to #ubuntu+1
[02:06] <rep_> checking for suffix of object files... o
[02:06] <rep_> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
[02:06] <rep_> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
[02:06] <LjL> !paste
[02:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:06] <rep_> checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
[02:06] <jussi01> !paste
[02:06] <rep_> checking for g++... g++
[02:07] <LjL> rep_: well, the problem is that your ./configure didn't succeed, because it's missing a "tkConfig.sh" file
[02:07] <LjL> !find tkconfig
[02:07] <ubotu> Package/file tkconfig does not exist in feisty
[02:08] <rep_> how can i install it?
[02:08] <LjL> have you compiled tk yourself into /usr/local?
[02:08] <LjL> try  sudo apt-get install tk8.4-dev 
[02:08] <rep_> tanks i will try it
[02:13] <LjL> rep_ i'm not sure of one thing though
[02:13] <LjL> why are you installing amsn 0.95, when amsn 0.96 is available in the repositories?
[02:13] <rance> has anyone setup remote graphical login on a kubuntu box, I was thinking vnc over ssh, but any other protocol that works is fine with me
[02:14] <LjL> !vnc
[02:14] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:14] <LjL> !freenx
[02:14] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[02:14] <rep_> now the "make command" dont show me an error
[02:14] <stdin> over my local net I just use Xdmcp
[02:14] <LjL> rep_: that's good, it means it's compiling
[02:15] <LjL> yet why not use the package from the repos?
[02:15] <rep_> tanks
[02:15] <rep_> very much
[02:16] <rep_> now it compilled
[02:16] <LjL> now if you run make install, you'll confuse APT
[02:16] <fabio> hi to all
[02:16] <LjL> hi
[02:17] <fabio> there is a italian channel of kubuntu?
[02:17] <LjL> !it
[02:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:17] <fabio> thanks
[02:17] <LjL> you're welcome
[02:18] <fabio> mmm...on ubuntu-it nobody answer to me :
[02:18] <LjL> give them time
[02:18] <LjL> !patience
[02:18] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:18] <LjL> you also seem to know enough english to ask the question here
[02:25] <arun> Can the Tango icon set be used in Web sites/Web applications?
[02:25] <Jucato> better try asking the Tango project people
[02:26] <arun> alright
[02:26] <arun> What about the Human/Crystal icon sets?
[02:27] <arun> Just asking
[02:27] <Jucato> If they're GPL/LGPL, then I think yes.
[02:28] <arun> alright, thanks
[02:33] <rep_> LjL i'm installed the amsn version 0.95
[02:33] <rep_> however, now i try to install the new version
[02:33] <rep_> and the error return
[02:33] <LjL> sigh
[02:33] <LjL> you haven't listened to me at all, have you?
[02:33] <LjL> version 0.96 IS IN THE REPOSITORIES
[02:33] <LjL> you don't need to compile anything
[02:33] <LjL> !info amsn
[02:33] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96+dfsg1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2488 kB, installed size 9108 kB
[02:34] <rep_> So, what  do i have to do?
[02:34] <LjL> ...
[02:34] <LjL> !software
[02:34] <rep_> i'm a newbye
[02:34] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[02:35] <ForgeAus> hmmm tcl interesting
[02:35] <SlimG> What's the keyboard shotcut for the "lock session" choice on the K-menu ?
[02:35] <LjL> if you're a newbie, why in the world are you trying to compile stuff?
[02:35] <LjL> if you have Universe enabled, just type  sudo apt-get install amsn 
[02:35] <LjL> if not, enable universe first
[02:35] <LjL> !universe
[02:35] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:36] <Jucato> SlimG: Ctrl+Alt+L I think
[02:36] <rep_> thanks
[02:37] <Jucato> or Ctrl+Shift+L
[02:42] <kung> !nvidia
[02:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:43] <jeffto> hello everybody
[02:46] <ardchoille> jeffto: I think they're all asleep
[02:47] <fabio> someone know if is possible use fn-keys on toshiba a100 ?
[02:47] <arun> Jucato: still there?
[02:48] <Jucato> arun: yes?
[02:48] <arun> you were saying about the GPL/LGPL icons. if i use them in a web app/site, am i required to link to the author's website or anything like that? I just want to make sure
[02:49] <Jucato> don't really know
[02:50] <stdin> you have to check the license of the icons, they may not be GPL, more likely a CC license
[02:51] <arun> i'm not talking only about the Tango icon set, they're CC. I'm asking about the Crystal icons. I'm sure they're LGPL.
[02:51] <stdin> depends if the author gives the "source" of the icons
[02:51] <ardchoille> Why would an app be allowed to remain in the repos when it's horribly broken?
[02:52] <Jucato> how is it "horribly broken"? and what is it?
[02:52] <ardchoille> kxdocker and it errors out when run. I was told it's broken and to not use it.
[02:52] <arun> stdin: huh?
[02:52] <jussi01> ardchoille: yes its broken... doesnt work for me eithere
[02:53] <ardchoille> jussi01: Yeah, just wondering why it's allowed to remain in the repos
[02:53] <Jucato> it might not be broken for others? don't know
[02:53] <jussi01> ardchoille: I wonder if they fixed it in gutsy
[02:53] <jussi01> Jucato: Ive not met someone who it isnt broken for
[02:53] <ardchoille> jussi01: Possibly, I'll find out next month
[02:53] <Jucato> jussi01: yes they fixed it. it's gone :)
[02:53] <ardchoille> Jucato: lol
[02:54] <jussi01> oh...lol
[02:54] <gnomefreak> arun: kxdocker was removed from gutsy so soon you wont need it (upstream dropped support i decided to drop kxdocker) i was hoping they would remove edgys as well since i didnt fix it
[02:54] <Jucato> !info kxdocker gutsy
[02:54] <ubotu> Package kxdocker does not exist in gutsy
[02:54] <stdin> arun: they can only be L/GPL if the author gives the "source" of the icons. the svgs for example (licenses get very complicated very quickly)
[02:54] <gnomefreak> Jucato: its not in gutsy
[02:54] <arun> gnomefreak: i couldn't care less about kxdocker
[02:54] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep. like I said. it's fixed :)
[02:54] <arun> :)
[02:54] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[02:54] <Mr_Sonoma> jussi01, why not fill out a bug report then?
[02:54] <ardchoille> Jucato: The kxdocker dev discontinued it, maybe why it's gone.
[02:54] <jussi01> Mr_Sonoma: about?
[02:54] <Jucato> ardchoille: yep. long die xqcd or whatever
[02:54] <gnomefreak> arun: thats why i removed it from repos
[02:55] <Jucato> I mean long live
[02:55] <Jucato> Mr_Sonoma: like what gnomefreak said. the developer or kxdocker dropped it
[02:55] <Mr_Sonoma> the broken package, if no one tells.........ah well i see im laggin a bit and that it's been removed
[02:55] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[02:55] <gnomefreak> not taking chances with thier other project since kxdocker wasnt updated in like a year
[02:55] <Jucato> there's no sense in filing bugs
[02:55] <ardchoille> gnomefreak: You removed it? Good to hear someone's looking after things :)
[02:55] <jussi01> Mr_Sonoma: i think there was a bug filed...
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ardchoille: yes i filed the bug tried to contact debian maintainer and upstream devs noone answered i asked for it to be removed gave reasons it was done early in gutsy devel
[02:56] <ardchoille> The dev says xqcd replaced kxdocker.
[02:56] <ardchoille> gnomefreak: Thank you
[02:57] <Jucato> I love it when they replace it with something you can't use either :)
[02:57] <ardchoille> hahaha
[02:57] <gnomefreak> yeah that was a whole nother issue but we decided to not take it on. maybe for gutsy+1 ill work on kiba
[02:57] <ardchoille> Well, I installed kxdocker on a test machine from debian packages and it works like a dream.
[02:57] <Jucato> although with kxdocker gone and with xqcd just a Qt app... -1 KDE dock apps...
[02:58] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it wont be included till after heron if they decide they can maintain a package better
[02:58] <gnomefreak> but i have no thought of adding thier garbage again
[02:58] <Jucato> nah it's ok. I'm not a fan.. I'm just worried it's one less KDE app :)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> Jucato: kiba dock i will see if we can get in for heron
[02:59] <gnomefreak> but iirc it was missing a key file
[02:59] <Jucato> gnomefreak: it's not a kde app :)
[02:59] <Jucato> but yeah, better than nothing :)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> its works though ;)
[03:00] <gnomefreak> ok i think im taking today off for most part :(
[03:00] <Jucato> bye gnomefreak! take care :)
[03:00] <ardchoille> gnomefreak: Cal in well.. "I'm feeling so good, I'm not coming in today".
[03:00] <Jucato> take care!! (of our packages)
[03:20] <ksivaji> which driver should i install for 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) xserver-xorg-video-via or  xserver-xorg-video-unichrome or xserver-xorg-video-s3
[03:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> err...  i'm going to go with s3
[03:23] <ksivaji> Daisuke_Laptop shall i install s3
[03:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...yes
[03:24] <wers> ksivaiji, what version of kubuntu are you using? we have the same video card
[03:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, that's a plus
[03:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> because i'm just making an educated guess
[03:24] <Jucato> wers: don't have a *real* video card? bwahahah!
[03:25] <Jucato> actually that's my IGP too... but I have an AGP..
[03:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> igp on the desktop is gf6200 :)
[03:25] <wers> ksivaji https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[03:25] <wers> that worked for me
[03:25] <wers> what's your video card, Jucato?
[03:26] <ksivaji> wers feisty
[03:26] <Jucato> wers: the IGP? exactly the same. the AGP is NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000 (yeah it's old...)
[03:26] <Jucato> (and weak)
[03:27] <ksivaji> wers :
[03:27] <wers> ksivaji: yep?
[03:27] <wers> ksivaji, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[03:27] <ksivaji> wers does you system hangs when you open games or google earth
[03:28] <wers> our video card isn't good enough ksivaji
[03:28] <wers> if you want to play a game, OpenArena works with our video card
[03:28] <ardchoille> !sudo
[03:28] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:29] <ksivaji> wers ya i know but i hangs sometimes
[03:29] <ksivaji> it*
[03:29] <wers> ohh.. I'm sorry ksivaji, but I don't play games and I don't use google earth
[03:30] <ksivaji> wers ok thanks dude
[03:30] <wers> ksivaji, you may want to try frozen bubble :P
[03:30] <wers> LOL
[03:31] <ardchoille> Try chromium
[03:35] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[03:35] <ardchoille> hi BluesKaj
[03:36] <BluesKaj> hi ardchoille
[03:36] <umodjm> is kubuntu really lacking in packages so that the entire thing is on a single cd?
[03:36] <ardchoille> umodjm: no
[03:36] <nerv203> Hello! Been a while since I've had a problem.
[03:36] <Jucato> umodjm: there are around 20,000 packages all in all
[03:36] <ardchoille> umodjm: The cd is a live cd and cannot contain all packages
[03:36] <Jucato> umodjm: but you can fit only so much into a cd
[03:36] <umodjm> do you select packages during install that are pulled down?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> umodjm, the cd doesn't contain all the apps , that would be impossible
[03:37] <rance> umodjm: the basic install of kubuntu presents you a very usable system for most people, but its easy to run the package manager and select new apps to install
[03:37] <Jucato> umodjm: no. the cd contains a preselected set of apps
[03:37] <nerv203> I'm trying to play vidoes in kaffein (with gxine) which I have done before several times, but now for some reason the brightnes on the videos is very high, and remains high even if I change the video settings.
[03:37] <ardchoille> umodjm: iirc, the cd will install things from the cd, you can select other stuff after the install
[03:37] <Jucato> umodjm: and like what rance said, the default install has the basic desktop needs
[03:37] <umodjm> gotcha, thanks :-)
[03:38] <BluesKaj> you install the OS, then you use the pkg manager to install the apps you want from the repositories
[03:38] <nerv203> Anyone know what's wrong?
[03:38] <umodjm> i'll give it a try. I've been told the wireless support is pretty good in (k)ubuntu
[03:38] <rance> actually, I think k/ubuntu might be the fastest linux install on the planet, I went from 0 to completely usable in about an hour
[03:38] <nerv203> Yes, it's very user-friendly
[03:38] <rance> and I had to install vmware by hand after
[03:39] <BluesKaj> umodjm, that depends
[03:39] <Jucato> rance: in an hour? O.o
[03:39] <Jucato> (too slow :P)
[03:39] <kkathman> mornin folks :)
[03:39] <rance> base install was done in about ten to fifteen minutes
[03:39] <umodjm> blue
[03:39] <ardchoille> rance: And you can cut that down if you write a couple scripts to automate stuff. I can install from the cd on a fresh hd and be up and running in about 40 minutes, but I only need to be in front of the computer for about 10 of those minutes.
[03:39] <BluesKaj> on yer wireless card
[03:39] <Jucato> thanks gen :)
[03:39] <umodjm> BluesKaj, I've got one of those DLink rangebooster N cards
[03:39] <nerv203> my computer has sucky memory. EVERYTHING takes a long time.
[03:39] <Jucato> genii: *
[03:40] <rance> the extra time was devoted to system tuning, and vmware / and alternate OS installs as well
[03:40] <BluesKaj> thx genii :)
[03:41] <ardchoille> genii: You gave BluesKaj coffee? I hope it was decaf, lol
[03:41] <genii> ardchoille: Heh :)
[03:41] <genii> nerv203: How much ram in there?
[03:42] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, old guys like me need lotsa caffeine just to get moving in the morning :)
[03:42] <ardchoille> lol
[03:42] <ksivaji> genii :
[03:43] <genii> Hi ksivaji
[03:43] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  I hear and resemble that
[03:43] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:44] <genii> BluesKaj: I think you and me are the two old men LOL
[03:44] <kkathman> genii:  and me :)
[03:44] <poison--> mornin
[03:44] <thoreauputic> hi kkathman :)
[03:45] <genii> nerv203: If 128Mb ram or less in your box I'd strongly suggest to go to at least 192 and preferably more if budget allows
[03:46] <thoreauputic> kkathman: ah, that was a while ago :)
[03:46] <kkathman> yes sir it was thoreauputic :)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I haven't been around much lately :) I used to practically live in #ubuntu
[03:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  yes yes I remember - I took a sebatical from the buntus desktop-wise to try out openSUSE, but am back now using the buntus again :)
[03:48] <BluesKaj> <--- retired for 8 yrs from a pulp&paper mill laboratory ...they made me an offer i couldn't refuse ...company takeover and downsizing.
[03:48] <thoreauputic> ah - interesting - I've heard good things about openSUSE, but I haven't tried it
[03:49] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  High five :)  timing is everything :)
[03:49] <BluesKaj> been into linx off and on for 5 yrs or so
[03:49] <BluesKaj> thx kkathman
[03:49] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  their KDE product is top notch, but the communty is very "slack" like and mean
[03:49] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[03:49] <SlimG> Jucato: Better late than never: Thanks for the Ctrl+Alt+L tip !
[03:49] <ardchoille> ctrl+alt+l is lock isn't it?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> yes
[03:50] <ardchoille> yep
[03:50] <thoreauputic> desktop lock IIRC
[03:50] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  but in fairness, they tend to be much more technical rather than pure practical running the OS so...
[03:51] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I learnt most of my stuff in #debian - I was very quiet for a few months ;)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> kkathman: similar thing - some excellent people, but not forgiving of silly questions :)
[03:51] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  yep I was too.. I did make a very goof friend over there and he's still a great resource
[03:52] <thoreauputic> yeah, some very clued people in #debian
[03:52] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  right - exactly - Newbs are not welcomed there at all
[03:52] <BluesKaj> too bad suse has such a terrible pkg/repos system
[03:52] <genii> thoreauputic: Yes, they do not suffer fools gladly in #debian
[03:52] <ardchoille> That's sad
[03:52] <kkathman> Made me appreciate the community here much more
[03:52] <kkathman> genii:  yes same in #suse
[03:53] <thoreauputic> kkathman: ... but there are still complaints about #?buntu channels - go figure :)
[03:53] <kkathman> And its really too bad, because its a very good product - maybe the best RPM distro I've tried - YaST is amazing
[03:53] <nerv203> Oh i have 256 RAM sorry
[03:53] <nerv203> Went AFK
[03:53] <thoreauputic> so I've heard
[03:53] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  oh Im sure, we got our share of ubuntu runaways over there :)
[03:54] <ardchoille> Time for bed, back later.
[03:54] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I became n operator, and somehow it started to feel like a job :)
[03:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, I got burned over in #debian last yr ...got the distinct impression that alotta ppl there were just in the chat to show off their "Linux chops" and didn't really want to help anyone.
[03:54] <nerv203> But does anyone know what might be wrong with my video, if they are suddenly playing at much higher brightnes than they should be? It's not the video, as I've checked other ones and they are all super bright. At some points, so bright there's nod efinition at all.
[03:55] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  I can understand that
[03:55] <thoreauputic> BlueDevil: there are both kinds in #debian - some of them are quite helpful
[03:55] <BluesKaj> thoreauputic, maybe my timing was bad :)
[03:55] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  but I do have you and nalioth to thank for sound fundamental knowledge - the transition was very easy once you learned a few slightly different ways of doing things there
[03:56] <genii> nerv203: Is this after a kernel upgrade?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> kkathman: nalioth has gone on to bigger and better things :) Yes, he taught me a lot too
[03:56] <nerv203> No, I watched one just yesterday and it was fine
[03:56] <thoreauputic> BlueDevil: you have to regard #debian as an entertaining blood sport ;)
[03:57] <nerv203> Someone else has used my monitor since, but I checked the Monitor's settings and they are unchanged
[03:57] <alain> G77, help
[03:57] <BluesKaj> nerv203, have you changed drivers either for the monitor or the graphics card recently ?
[03:57] <nerv203> No, not recently.
[03:57] <nerv203> In fact, I haven't upgraded my video drivers since I first installed Kubuntu a few months ago
[03:57] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  yep I know, he's still around sporatically - he was the one that emphasized and beat into me to learn the cli :)
[03:57] <thoreauputic> oops s/BlueDevil/ BluesKaj
[03:58] <thoreauputic> kkathman: he's a staffer now - hence less directly involved in the channels
[03:58] <kkathman> right :)
[03:59] <nerv203> I'm not sure which drivers I'd need, my video software is integrated into the motherboard.
[03:59] <BluesKaj> nerv203, ok have you done any upgrades to the desktop , like kde 3.5.6  to 3.5.7 for example ?
[03:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> i need to stop reading the ubuntu forums
[03:59] <nerv203> BluesKaj, Yes, a while ago, but thatw as before the problem started.
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Daisuke-Ido: I stopped ages ago - it was bad for my blood pressure ;p
[04:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm getting so tired of the whiney "i'm going back to windows!" threads...
[04:00] <nerv203> I've watched the videos since I upgraded, and I haven't upgraded since last night when I alst used Kaffeine to watch these videos.
[04:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> fine, go, we'll see you again when you come back because vista decided you aren't a legitimate user anymore...
[04:01] <nerv203> My Monitor has been unplugged and plugged back in again.
[04:01] <BluesKaj> nerv203, have you tried any other players , like VLC  ?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Daisuke-Ido: look at it this way - the community doean't need people like that ( "back to windows")
[04:01] <nerv203> Not yet, no. Also, the desktop and everything has normal brightnes, it's just videos played in Kaffeine
[04:02] <genii> nerv203: You could try to wipe the default settings dir for kaffeine, it will re-create it next time you run it
[04:02] <BluesKaj> nerv203, try mplayer or VLC
[04:03] <nerv203> Well, I like Kaffeine so far, so I'll try Genii's advice, failing that, I'll grab one of the other players. Thanks for your help guys :)
[04:03] <alain> fortran compilation... with g77. tanks
[04:04] <nerv203> Oh, ohe more question. How do I find the Kaffeine dir?
[04:04] <genii> nerv203: I'll find a path for you, give me a minute or so
[04:04] <kkathman> does Konqueror support viewing RSS feeds, or do I need a separate viewer?
[04:05] <nerv203> kkathman: I'd grab Mozilla Firefox anyway.
[04:05] <kkathman> nerv203:  yah - actually Im trying my best to wean myself away fro Firefox, because its a CPU hog, and it doesnt completely support the Flash 9 plugin
[04:06] <BluesKaj> kkathman, using thunderbird for email ?
[04:06] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  nope Kontact/Kmail here
[04:06] <nerv203> Hmmm, I'm alright with Firefox on my Minimum Spec PC
[04:07] <nerv203> But I guess all I do it use Firefox or MUSH
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here ...t-bird doesn't launch browser from links within the email text on my version 2.0
[04:07] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  Reason I was asking, Firefox had a plugin called Wizz, that has alot of news feeds, and it can appear as a clickable entity in bookmarks - but firefox natively detected the xml and displayed properly
[04:08] <genii> Bah i need to run kaffeine first time to make the settings file LOL
[04:08] <genii> AFK
[04:08] <BluesKaj> kkathman, using akregator for RSS feeds ...seems ok
[04:09] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  sure, I agree - just was wondering if there was something n Konq I could turn on, before I put alot of these feeds into Akregator
[04:11] <genii> nerv203: Remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine   and it will re-make it next time kaffeine runs. Make sure its not open when you delete that
[04:12] <BluesKaj> hmm kkathman, dunno , I see something in konq/web behaviour called feedster , but I haven't tried it
[04:12] <nerv203> lright, thanks
[04:12] <kkathman> hmm I'll look - however, BluesKaj I can actually drag the links from the bookmark to Akregator and its recognizes them - not too shabby :)
[04:13] <BluesKaj> right
[04:13] <BluesKaj> from firefox you mean ?
[04:13] <genii> nerv203: run kaffeine again after that and tell us if the video is fixed/same/different please :)
[04:13] <BluesKaj> or konq?
[04:13] <nerv203> Bahm, what's the command for delete in konsole?
[04:14] <genii> rm
[04:14] <nerv203> thanks
[04:14] <genii> in this case you need rm -rf
[04:14] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  where did you see that "Feedster" doesnt seem to be under Web Behaviour
[04:14] <kkathman> at least on my version
[04:14] <sker> Hello all:)
[04:14] <BluesKaj> oh sorry kkathman webshortcuts
[04:15] <alain> fortran f77, experience?
[04:15] <kkathman> okies . thanx I give that a whirl and see :)
[04:15] <BluesKaj> BBL ...gotta run some errands
[04:15] <nerv203> Caonnot remove, Kaffeine is a directory
[04:16] <nerv203> ah ok, got it
[04:17] <nerv203> Still Super Bright
[04:17] <phoenixz> Hi all, since yesterday I have a problem with kdesktop. When I login, it imediately uses >97% CPU and makes my entire laptop hang.. Im using kubuntu 7.04 on  adell latitude d620.. Does anybody know what might cause this?
[04:18] <genii> nerv203: Then it's something further back and not to do with kaffeine itself. Like a driver or so :(
[04:18] <nerv203> Hmmm
[04:18] <nerv203> So re-installing all the drivers may be on my to-do list
[04:18] <genii> nerv203: That would be my first suggestion, yes
[04:19] <nerv203> I've never had to do that on Kubuntu, or with this machine, so I have no idea what driver I need or how to install it ^^;;
[04:19] <genii> nerv203: Perhaps run the restricted-manager and see if it suggests some candidate
[04:19] <nerv203> I bought it very cheap from a refurb company
[04:19] <genii> nerv203: eg:    kdesu restricted-manager
[04:19] <genii> from konsole
[04:20] <nerv203> command 'restricted-manager' not foun
[04:21] <nerv203> d
[04:21] <phoenixz> nerv203, use adept to install the restricted manager
[04:22] <JuJuBee> One of my students is getting an error when trying to launch FireFox telling him it is already running.  Other users do not get this error on the same machine.  How can I fix it so he can run firefox?
[04:22] <JuJuBee> ps does not show firefox running.
[04:22] <nerv203> Can't you kill the process?
[04:23] <JuJuBee> How do I fnid it?
[04:23] <nerv203> ...Ah I forget.
[04:23] <nerv203> Still trying to un-learn all the windows commands. One moment, lemme look
[04:23] <tiborio_> JuJuBee: ps aux |grep firefox
[04:23] <genii> tiborio_: He already said ps does not show it
[04:24] <JuJuBee> Doesnt show firefox running only the grep
[04:24] <JuJuBee> for it
[04:24] <tiborio_> ah. I see. ma'bad
[04:24] <genii> JuJuBee: Have you set the machines up to all load firefox from a common shared area, like from NFS drive or something odd like that?
[04:25] <JuJuBee> No, local HD
[04:25] <genii> Because that error i've had in that scenario before
[04:25] <tiborio_> JuJuBee: maybe the firefox "profile" needs to be recreated?
[04:25] <JuJuBee> their /home's are on nfs
[04:25] <JuJuBee> How do I recreate the profile?
[04:26] <genii> Do they use some common /home login? that will explain it. another user has it running
[04:26] <JuJuBee> As in same username, no all have different accounts.
[04:27] <nerv203> restricted-manager says my hardware doesn't need any drivers
[04:27] <anton00> hi
[04:28] <anton00> ive installed kubuntu through cd but whats the rootpassword for installing programs and so on
[04:28] <nerv203> It'll be the root user's password
 the same as your normal acount's password
[04:29] <anton00> but it doesnt work
[04:29] <anton00> mmh
[04:29] <anton00> ill try it once again
 But i believe *ubuntu doesnt let you log on as root tho
[04:30] <JuJuBee> genii : got it, rm .mozilla/firefox/profile.ini
[04:30] <Jucato> !sudo | anton00
[04:30] <ubotu> anton00: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:30] <anton00> oh ive got it
[04:30] <genii> JuJuBee: It starts after that now?
[04:30] <JuJuBee> Yep
[04:30] <anton00> it was a problem with keyboardlayout
[04:30] <rep_> hi everybody
[04:30] <sker> Hi
[04:31] <rep_> i compilled amsn and now i want to desistall
[04:31] <rep_> how can i do it?
[04:31] <genii> nerv203: Hmm. Do you know what videocard make/model you have?
[04:31] <nerv203> It's integrated
[04:31] <rep_> root@repdestroi:/home/rep/Desktop/emo/amsn-0.97RC1/amsn-0.97RC1# make
[04:31] <rep_> make: *** Nenhum alvo indicado e nenhum arquivo make encontrado.  Pare.
[04:31] <rep_> root@repdestroi:/home/rep/Desktop/emo/amsn-0.97RC1/amsn-0.97RC1# ./configure
[04:31] <rep_> checking for prefix by checking for wish... /usr/bin/wish
[04:31] <rep_> checking for gcc... gcc
[04:31] <rep_> checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
[04:31] <rep_> checking whether the C compiler works... yes
[04:31] <genii> rep_: Go to the directory you did the "make" or "make install" from. do there "make dist-clean"
[04:32] <nerv203> genii: I have a Compaq Deskpro EN 600
[04:32] <LjL> rep doesn't get it
[04:32] <nerv203> It has integrated video
[04:34] <genii> nerv203: Well, I would suggest to look up the specs for that model to see the videocard details, then proceed with installing a driver specific for that one.
[04:34] <nerv203> In fact, it has integrated everything. Not a single PCI port is being used, nor VGA
[04:34] <anton00> and my new laptop has a monitor with 1280xXXX resolution but kde shows only 1024x768
[04:34] <nerv203> It doesn't have any VGA ports for that matter
[04:34] <genii> nerv203: So just DVI or S/Video outputs on it?
[04:35] <nerv203> Aye, straight from the motherboard
[04:36] <genii> nerv203: Let me look it up
[04:36] <nerv203> I'm looking for the specs myself
[04:37] <nerv203> Hmm, I'm gonna have to open the box.
[04:37] <nerv203> Official website lists three, it'll be one of those three
[04:38] <aguitel> anton00 ,it happens with me too
[04:38] <genii> nerv203: Well that helps narrow it a bit :)
[04:38] <nerv203> Bah, the video is obscured by the power supply, so I'll have to completely turn off and all that hassle
[04:39] <nerv203> it's one of these
[04:39] <nerv203> Matrox Millennium G400-SD AGP Graphics Controller
[04:39] <nerv203>  Integrated Intel 3D Graphics
[04:39] <genii> nerv203: OK good
[04:40] <nerv203> Embedded ATI RAGE PRO TURBO AGP
[04:40] <genii> How many video cards you have in there?
[04:40] <nerv203> One of those three
[04:40] <nerv203> Not sure which
[04:40] <genii> Ah OK i thought it was the Matrox LOL miscommunication
[04:40] <nerv203> I'm thinking it may be the Intel
[04:41] <nerv203> I should call my buddy, he's the one who refurbed it >.>
[04:42] <genii> nerv203: Maybe do in konsole: dmesg|grep Matrox            or |grep ATI    or |grep 3D    (just Intel would bring much results likely)
[04:43] <llutz> nerv203: lspci
[04:47] <nerv203> Brah!
[04:48] <nerv203> My little sister just threw a suitcase on the keyboard ;.;
[04:48] <nerv203> Ok, grep detected nothing for ATI or Matrox, but came up with the Intel
[04:48] <nerv203> now, to figure out how to instal the drivers
[04:49] <goodhabit> stdin: Hello, r u here?
[04:49] <stdin> in a way
[04:49] <uga> hi there
[04:50] <uga> whoever told me about the Asus linux drivers, I owe him a nice lunch or something
[04:50] <uga> diskspeed x8 ;)
[04:50] <goodhabit> stdin: Help me just one question. U told me how to upgrade to gutsy and it is works! ) But can u tell me how to upgrade using local repo?
[04:50] <goodhabit> Please, if it not takes much time.
[04:50] <stdin> do you have a local repo?
[04:51] <uga> goodhabit: just point to it in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:51] <uga> stdin: oh, I missed that important question :P
[04:51] <goodhabit> uga: Will I replace feisty or just add gutsy?
[04:52] <genii> nerv203: You need the i810 driver
[04:52] <nerv203> Hmmm, where to I get it from?
[04:52] <uga> goodhabit: I think it'll be hard to keep both sanely, but can't be too sure
[04:53] <goodhabit> MB smb have expirience with that? )
[04:53] <genii> nerv203: It is actually usually a default driver that xorg knows about. But I am thinking (suspecting) you are perhaps on the vesa driver right now instead of the i810
[04:53] <llutz> nerv203: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <genii> llutz: thanks :)
[04:55] <nerv203> I don't understand, llutz.
[04:56] <genii> nerv203: You type what he indicated into a konsole
[04:56] <llutz> nerv203: type that command, it will show you the used driver
[04:56] <ellipsys> Morning everyone.
[04:56] <nerv203> Ah ok, I'm using i810 then
[04:56] <ellipsys> I have a couple little issues that I was wondering if I could get some help on.
[04:57] <genii> nerv203: OK, so then correct driver is installed. The i810 have some odd issues with things like compositing. Are you using something like Beryl/Compiz ?
[04:57] <nerv203> Neither
[04:57] <nerv203> I'm not even sure what they are
[04:57] <genii> nerv203: Does your desktop have some interesting transparency type effects?
[04:58] <goodhabit> nerv203: You must know about it. Try to search by keywords beryl or compiz-fusion @ youtube.
[04:58] <genii> Or does everything appear opaqure, etc
[04:58] <nerv203> No Transparancy
[04:58] <genii> *opaque
[04:59] <nerv203> I have some fade hover-over effects, but no transparency
[05:00] <genii> nerv203: Please use the pastebin website to show us the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf     we may find some clues there in obscure things like DRI or such
[05:00] <ellipsys> I just recently got the native version of Wolf:ET installed from the .run file - is there any way I can add an icon to my desktop or launcher? Also, if I want to uninstall the game how do I go about doing so?
[05:01] <genii> !pastebin
[05:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <JuJuBee> what is the switch to make sed work inline?
[05:03] <JuJuBee> sed 's/from/to/' -i?
[05:03] <nerv203> http://pastebin.com/d2199f7c7
[05:03] <genii> OK reading
[05:04] <genii> nerv203: Ah, misunderstanding. I meant the entire contents of the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf      you can open it in kate then copy and paste it from there
[05:05] <nerv203> Ah gotcha
[05:06] <nerv203> http://pastebin.com/d75d4c3b1
[05:06] <genii> Reading
[05:09] <nerv203> Hmmm, I'm using a default monitor driver, would downloading a specific driver for it help?
[05:09] <nerv203> Mind you
[05:09] <llutz> nerv203: no
[05:09] <nerv203> The problem is only with videos, everything else is fine, including flash video on youtube
[05:11] <genii> nerv203: I would suggest to open it now with admin privelege for editing by: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and to comment out with a # lines which are numbered in pastebin 34, then 147 148 and 149. Save the changes. To make them take effect you will need to logout of kubuntu, then at the login scren do   ctrl-alt-backspace to restart with the new settings, log back in to kubuntu again
[05:11] <nerv203> Alright, I'll do that now
[05:12] <genii> nerv203: If after the same, we will revert the changes.
[05:14] <jeffm> HI, all
[05:14] <nerv203> alright, rebooting now
[05:15] <jeffm> My question isn't Kubuntu-related per se, but kind of falls into the realm of "all things geek", so I'm hoping someone has some insight.
[05:16] <jeffm> I'm working on Photo IDs for my company, and I'm dissatisfied with the image resolution and quality of webcams.  What I'd love is to be able to take a picture directly from a digital camera and import it into our security software.
[05:16] <japp> Buenas tardes
[05:16] <japp> Necesito ayuda
[05:16] <tsdgeos> !es
[05:16] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:16] <LjL> !es
[05:17] <jeffm> So I'm looking for a current digital camera that I can get a TWAIN driver for.  Does anyone know where I might find such a beast, or a better channel in which to ask?
[05:17] <ellipsys> TWAIN Driver...hmm, let me see...  I have to say this isn't my forte but I'll see what I can dig up...
[05:17] <tsdgeos> jeffm: why a twain driver? can't you jsut use gphoto?
[05:18] <jeffm> tsdgeos: I can't use gphoto because it needs to be integrated into our (outdated and windows-based) security software.
[05:18] <dappermuis> genii, it's a bad habit that people get from windows
[05:18] <Jucato> genii: force of bad habit...
[05:18] <jeffm> dappermuis: lol
[05:18] <genii> Yes, must be it
[05:18] <tsdgeos> jeffm: then ask in windows based channels
[05:18] <Jucato> genii: also... they most likely don't know how to restart a service :)
[05:19] <genii> Jucato: Well, i suppose this is true :)
[05:19] <ellipsys> jeffm: just out of curiousity, could you simply copy/paste from the camera onto that system?  I mean, if its Windows98 or better it should have workable USB camera connections etc..
[05:19] <jeffm> tsdgeos: Fair enough -- I just don't know any good windows support channels.  I rarely IRC, and generally when I need technical help, Linux channels trump windows channels.
[05:20] <nerv203> It worked! Thank you so much :)
[05:20] <tsdgeos> jeffm: yeah
[05:20] <genii> nerv203: You're welcome :)
[05:21] <nerv203> Now then, I'm gonna finally watch this video. Goodbye
[05:21] <nerv203> :)
[05:21] <genii> Enjoy
[05:21] <ubuntu> Need help installing creative audigy 24 bit 5.1 surround on kubuntu
[05:21] <jeffm> ellipsys: Well, the crux of the matter is that a digital camera by default wants to put the image in internal media, be it integrated or removable.  So to get the image into the software, the process would be: Take the picture, upload to the computer, find the file in the file system and import into the software.  And this process is supposed to be done by a receptionist multiple times per day for visitors.
[05:22] <jeffm> ellipsys: The software supports pasting an image in, which is fine except I don't have a good way of getting the image into the clipboard in the first place.  Otherwise, it supports capture from a TWAIN source.
[05:22] <genii> jeffm: Do you use DigiKam on the linus side?
[05:22] <genii> *linux
[05:23] <rep_> how can i install the wine?
[05:23] <ellipsys> rep_:  www.winehq.com
[05:23] <ubuntu>  how too install creative audigy 2 sound card?
[05:23] <ellipsys> Er.. make that www.winehq.org
[05:23] <jeffm> ellipsys: Hence the want of a TWAIN-capable camera, or alternatively a way to press the shutter button on the camera and end up with an image in the clipboard without a lot of messing around.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> jeffm,, have you tried ##windows ?
[05:23] <ubuntu> should i use wine also for that?
[05:24] <genii> ubuntu: No
[05:24] <ubuntu> k jw
[05:24] <jeffm> genii: Not usually -- I generally just mount the CF card frrom our camera and work from that.
[05:24] <ellipsys> jeffm: I see your point. Unfortunately, I don't know much of what digital cameras are TWAIN supported in Windows.
[05:24] <jeffm> BluesKaj: I have not yet.  See me previous comment about generally getting better answers from a linux forum than Windows.
[05:25] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:25] <jeffm> ellipsys: It appears that TWAIN is kind of falling by the wayside, making it tough to find a current camera with that kind of support.
[05:25] <genii> ubuntu: Open with admin privelege /etc/modules and put in there the module name: emu10k1    save. Next reboot your Audigy should have the driver seeing it
[05:25] <BluesKaj> just got back ...too lazy to scroll back :)
[05:25] <jeffm> BluesKaj: I will try, though.  Any other channels?  Maybe photo-related?
[05:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> time to move into the present :D
[05:26] <BluesKaj> jeffm, what camera
[05:26] <ellipsys> jeffm:  I know this may not be exactly what you're looking for, but there are webcams out there of sufficient quality to take 2-8mp images. It may be less hassle
[05:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[05:26] <jeffm> BluesKaj: np.  I didn't mean to be dismissive.
[05:26] <genii> jeffm: The Logitech Clicksmart 310 had these sorts of features, but you may be hard-pressed to find one these days
[05:26] <ellipsys> There's a new Logitech Quickcam 5000 I believe... it has Zeiss optics and such so I'd imagine the image quality is pretty good
[05:26] <jeffm> ellipsys: a webcam of that quality may be workable.  I can't seem to find anything like that -- there are too many Creative and Logitech pieces of garbage out there to wade through.
[05:27] <ellipsys> Excuse me its the 9000:  http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/webcam_communications/webcams/devices/3056&cl=us,en
[05:27] <jeffm> ellipsys: perhaps I need to just to go logitech's site and look at the best camera they have and work down from there.
[05:27] <genii> jeffm: the 310 was a camera and webcam
[05:28] <jeffm> ellipsys: nice, 2MP native resolution, and 8MP "enhanced" (what a joke).
[05:28] <jeffm> genii: I may look around for one of those, too.
[05:29] <poison--> !vga
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vga - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <ellipsys> The 9000 is a more advanced version of the ultra vision and orbit, believe it or not.   The prices don't reflect this, but the 9000 is newer.
[05:29] <poison--> !ati
[05:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <ubuntu> wat about for creative?
[05:30] <ellipsys> I figure that 2mp with good optics should make for a good ID badge photo?
[05:30] <ubuntu> i need sound card drivers for kubunto for a creative audigy 2
[05:30] <genii> ubuntu: I just explained to you the driver you need
[05:30] <ellipsys> ubuntu: Are you using ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[05:31] <ellipsys> Also, listen to genii as he probably knows what he's talking about ^^
[05:31] <ubuntu> an ati tho?
[05:31] <ubuntu> or does that explain all of them?
[05:31] <rep_> i tryed to intall the wine
[05:31] <genii> ubuntu: They still use the chipset which the driver emu10k1 can use
[05:31] <rep_> and showed it
[05:31] <rep_> checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
[05:31] <rep_> checking for flex... no
[05:31] <rep_> configure: error: no suitable flex found. Please install the 'flex' package.
[05:32] <ubuntu> ok i didn't know for sure if they used the same
[05:32] <rep_> what is the command to install the flex package
[05:32] <ellipsys> rep_: did you download it manually as source, or did you add the proper repository and then Apt-get/Adept it?
[05:32] <rep_> ?
[05:32] <ubuntu> k ill try that cause thats wat is making me mad
[05:32] <ubuntu> haveing trouble big time lol
[05:32] <jeffm> ellipsys: Sorry, I did a bad job of stating my requirements.  We already have a lot of employee photos, taken with a digital still camera.  Those are at ~7MP, and will be imported into the security software.  They are such high resolution because we may need a larger-format image in order to post to keep former employees out of the building (essentially, a "Do Not let this person in" sign)
[05:32] <genii> ubuntu: You can test the driver first to see if it works by: sudo modprobe emu10k1
[05:32] <ubuntu> awesome
[05:33] <jeffm> ellipsys: The 2MP will be more than adequate for badges, and likely adequate for the larger format printing.
[05:33] <genii> ubuntu: Then restart the sound system from System Settings area
[05:33] <ubuntu> would i have too type in konsol too install it?
[05:33] <ubuntu> or wateva
[05:33] <BluesKaj> jeffm, windows XP ?
[05:33] <jeffm> BluesKaj: yep, XP.
[05:33] <genii> ubuntu: Yes, the command: sudo modprobe emu10k1                     is put in from konsole
[05:33] <ubuntu> k
[05:34] <genii> ubuntu: That will load it only for this time. for every time you need to put the name emu10k1 in the file /etc/modules     as i explained earlier
[05:34] <ubuntu> alright
[05:35] <jeffm> ellipsys: 2MP = 1600x1200, which is around a 3x5 at 300dpi.  I'm a fan.
[05:35] <rep_> ellipsys, i dowload it manually as source
[05:35] <BluesKaj> jeffm, dunno if this will help , but letting windows detect the memory card is simpler and less clunky than using the camera's proprietary software app, and safer as well, believe it or not
[05:35] <rep_> i dont know how can i donwload whth a apt-get
[05:36] <timmy> How much of my bandwith do you think IRC, MSN, and google talk use?
[05:36] <jeffm> All, thanks for the help.  I'm going to look at the 9000 some more, and also take a look at the 310 that genii suggested.
[05:37] <rep_> allipsys: i opened the adept but it dont found the wine program....
[05:37] <jeffm> BluesKaj: Yeah, the Digital Camera route was really a byproduct of my inability to find a higher-resolution webcam.  It would have been clunky even with TWAIN drivers.
[05:37] <BluesKaj> timmy install hop . it will list processes and mem use
[05:37] <timmy> Including network traffic?
[05:37] <timmy> Thanks :D
[05:37] <jeffm> BluesKaj: hop is a beefed-up top?
[05:37] <BluesKaj> jeffm, ok understood ...well good luck
[05:37] <jeffm> BluesKaj: Thanks for your help.
[05:38] <BluesKaj> err sorry htop
[05:39] <ellipsys> jeffm: Great. I hope it works out for you with the minimum amount of aggrivation.
[05:39] <vbgunz> I am using vim. launching konqueror to check out a file. this is the command: "konqueror --silent --profile webdev "./file" &" instead of the existing konqueror opened being reused, a new instance of konqueror always opens up :(
[05:39] <ellipsys> rep_:  Its really easiest to add the repository to your Adept's repository list - Adept will handle all your dependancies for you
[05:39] <vbgunz> can someone help me configure only one instance of this konqueror profile to ever be on the desktop?
[05:39] <ellipsys> Its part og the awesomeness of the apt-get system
[05:39] <timmy> !info htop
[05:40] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (feisty), package size 43 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:40] <timmy> :D
[05:40] <ubuntu> k i downloaded   emu10k1-v0.20a.tar.bz2
[05:40] <ubuntu> how do i open or compile it?
[05:40] <ubuntu> or install
[05:41] <rep_> ellipsys: how can do it? i'm a newbye
[05:41] <ellipsys> rep_: I'm pretty new myself, but... let me see if I can help.
[05:41] <ellipsys> First thing to do is to read this page
[05:42] <ellipsys> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[05:42] <rep_> ok , thanks
[05:42] <ellipsys> The stuff in italics are commands that you copy and paste into the bash shell.  That's the terminal, called Konsole in KDE
[05:42] <ubuntu> where would i install emu10k1 into for my sound card or dont' it matta?
[05:42] <tintin7789> hi
[05:43] <ubuntu> i have driver opened it with ark
[05:43] <genii> ubuntu: You don't need to download anything, let alone source code for it. The emu10k1 driver is a standard part of the driver set ubuntu has already.
[05:43] <tzanger> damn, mythfrontend likes to crash my X server on exit :-(
[05:43] <tintin7789> how can i install msn or mercury on my kubuntu ,
[05:43] <tintin7789> ?
[05:44] <ubuntu> k i got it
[05:44] <wastedfluid> Hi guys.  quick problem; i set transparency for my taskbar.. however, when I added 'day of week' and 'date' to my clock - their backgrounds aren't transparent... any way to fix this, and make them transparent, as well?  It's an ugly grey box.. :p
[05:44] <ubuntu> but its not working tho
[05:44] <ubuntu> no sound
[05:44] <ubuntu> do i need a specific code too make it work?
[05:44] <genii> ubuntu: Do you see in bottom right a speaker icon?
[05:44] <ubuntu> yes i do see that
[05:44] <ellipsys> rep_: The first one will ensure that your system knows its cool to download from that repository.   The second one will add the repository to your list. This means that apt-get and frontends like adept will be able to query that location to download files
[05:45] <genii> ubuntu: Does the speaker have a red bar thru it?
[05:45] <ellipsys> Make sure you copy and paste exactly. And use the one under Fiesty, if that's the version of Kubuntu you're using
[05:45] <tzanger> SIGSEGV in GL stuff
[05:45] <ubuntu> just a sec
[05:46] <ubuntu> ya i see it there
[05:46] <ubuntu> its in the tray
[05:46] <crazylazy> eey
[05:46] <ubuntu> and no no red make threw it
[05:46] <ubuntu> mark*
[05:46] <ellipsys> rep_: Then all you need to do if both those work is go into Adept, and search for Wine.  Ask to install it, and you're done
[05:46] <crazylazy> Can I install ophcrack on a Kubuntu live cd?
[05:47] <crazylazy> I have an old ubuntu cd, and can I showe it up in a computer then get ophcrack runnin?
[05:47] <ubuntu> dunno
[05:47] <ubuntu> wat is ohpcrack?
[05:48] <genii> ubuntu: Good. this means the driver is already installed. What you want to do is put the cursor on it, right-click. choose "Show Mixer window" from the menu there. When the mixer window comes up, un-mute any devices which say PCM
[05:48] <crazylazy> a program, that is based on rainbow tables
[05:48] <crazylazy> j
[05:48] <crazylazy> can I run slax on a PS3?
[05:49] <rep_> allipsys: so, i need first to type this command on terminal: sudo apt-get install wine' ?
[05:49] <ubuntu> k those are all unmuted
[05:49] <ubuntu> the pcm ones
[05:49] <ellipsys> rep_: That's AFTER you do everything on that page in order
[05:49] <ubuntu> still no sound
[05:50] <ubuntu> i been stuck on this issue for ever
[05:50] <crazylazy> But can I install programs after I hav ran kubuntu live cd?
[05:50] <ubuntu> i figured everythign else out easier
[05:50] <ubuntu> lol
[05:51] <ubuntu> would my sound card work if i just installed wine?
[05:51] <genii> ubuntu: Check the other settings in there like that the master volume is set to something audible, that the Input device is set to where your sound source is and so on.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  i doubt that wine will affect it at all.
[05:51] <ubuntu> master is all the way up
[05:51] <ubuntu> so are they all
[05:51] <ubuntu> it says like its there
[05:51] <ellipsys> crazylazy: afraid I'm not sure about it as a live cd.
[05:51] <ubuntu> but no sound
[05:52] <ubuntu> it reconized it in k info
[05:52] <ubuntu> and kmix
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu,  could also check with some other live cd's/disrtos and see if your sound works with any of the linux's out.
[05:52] <ellipsys> crazylazy: have you considered checking out a live cd with ophcrack already in it? I'm sure there are a few out there
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> Also check the basics. :) your headset it not plugged in. ect..
[05:52] <ubuntu> ya i know i dont' wanna switch
[05:52] <ubuntu> reallly
[05:52] <genii> Is the sound dial on your external speakers all the way down? etc
[05:52] <crazylazy> Yes, but I donno if SLAX will work with my ps3.
[05:52] <ubuntu> nope its all the way up
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> use the live cds as a test. You might want to test out a Gutsy live cd first thing.
[05:53] <ubuntu> would u wanna see  a screenshot?
[05:53] <ubuntu> maybe that might help
[05:54] <Otaimer> what is differences of ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:54] <ellipsys> Ps3 huh? I have to say I have no idea what exactly is configured to run on that.
[05:54] <arash> Otaimer , Kubuntu has KDE desktop environment, Ubuntu has Gnome
[05:54] <ellipsys> Cell processors and whatnot... I know it will run certain distros, but I don't know which one
[05:54] <ubuntu> kubuntu
[05:54] <LjL> !flavors | Otaimer
[05:54] <ubotu> Otaimer: !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[05:54] <ubuntu> is much betta looking
[05:55] <rep_> ellipsys: i dont understatn, because my adept dont find wine...
[05:55] <arash> Otaimer, Xubuntu I also think are good for the slower machines
[05:56] <ellipsys> rep_: Okay. Step 1.
[05:56] <ellipsys> open a Konsole window. You have a terminal prompt where its something like "Username@computername" right?
[05:56] <ubuntu> wow i don't understand this
[05:56] <ubuntu> lol
[05:56] <rep_> ellipsys: how will i ensure that your system knows its cool to download from that repository?
 Otaimer, Xubuntu I also think are good for the slower machines, how to get it.. and how to install it like ubuntu erk?
[05:57] <rep_> yehp
[05:57] <ellipsys> rep_: I'm going to walk you through it just like on that page.
[05:57] <ellipsys> Open your Konsole, command line window.
[05:57] <rep_> ok
[05:57] <arash> Otaimer: You want to get a copy of Xubuntu?
[05:57] <rep_> i did it
[05:58] <ellipsys> rep: copy and paste this into the window and then hit enter.....
[05:58] <ellipsys> wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[05:58] <Otaimer> yes.. i want it, how?
[05:58] <ellipsys> The whole thing, starting with wget
[05:58] <arash> Otaimer: Are you running a Ubuntu machine computer now?
[05:58] <stdin> Otaimer: http://xubuntu.org/get
[05:58] <WaltzingAlong> which program or with transcode which commands to create a dvd5 backup from a dvd9?
[05:59] <WaltzingAlong> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: try with k9copy
[05:59] <rep_> rep@repdestroi:~$ sudo su
[05:59] <rep_> Password:
[05:59] <rep_> root@repdestroi:/home/rep# wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[05:59] <rep_> OK
[05:59] <rep_> root@repdestroi:/home/rep#
[05:59] <Otaimer> no.. i using windows vista.. i want to install linux ubuntu or kubuntu... wat is a good linux?
[05:59] <LjL> wow
[05:59] <rep_> the terminal showed it
[05:59] <LjL> most useless nesting of "su[do] "s ever
[06:00] <WaltzingAlong> rep_: no need for "sudo su"
[06:00] <arash> Otaimer: Ok, then the best choiche is to order a CD I think (it's free :)), it will take about a month though, if you can't wait, you can download the iso and burn it to your own cd
[06:00] <stdin> hold on, you're root, and you use "sudo apt-key add -" ??
[06:01] <rep_> i dont have to change to root?
[06:01] <crazylazy> LjL remember when you broke my Kubuntu computer?
[06:01] <WaltzingAlong> rep_: never. use sudo instead
[06:01] <ellipsys> rep_: What Waltzing said.  Sudo allows you to very temporarily, for that single action act as a SuperUser
[06:01] <rep_> ok
[06:02] <rep_> i wiill try it again
[06:02] <LjL> crazylazy, remember i've been kind enough not yet to ban you from the planet?
[06:02] <WaltzingAlong> rep_: it worked already
[06:02] <ellipsys> Right. It already worked.
[06:02] <Otaimer> arash.. i think i want to get free it.. order in website.. orait
[06:02] <crazylazy> You actually did, but I changed the computer, and after a while the ban dissapeared
[06:02] <rep_> rep@repdestroi:~$  wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[06:02] <rep_> OK
[06:02] <rep_> rep@repdestroi:~$
[06:03] <ellipsys> When it said OK.   What you did there was add the gpg key of the Wine repository to Apt's list of "okay" servers.
[06:03] <WaltzingAlong> thanks rep_ but you need not paste that in here each time
[06:03] <stdin> rep_: use the pastebin site rather than flooding the channel
[06:03] <rep_> WaltzingAlong: ok
[06:03] <rep_> sory
[06:03] <arash> Otaimer: Alright :) , before ordering, feel free to check around screenshots and decide wheter you want Ubuntu or Kubuntu (or Xubuntu),
[06:04] <WaltzingAlong> rep_: is someone helping you? did it look like the command worked to you?
[06:04] <ellipsys> rep_: The next thing for you to do  - do you know what version of Kubuntu you're using? Fiesty? 7.04?
[06:04] <Otaimer> how to see screen shot?
[06:05] <arash> image search on google :) , search for 'Ubuntu' and 'Kubuntu' etc.
[06:05] <Otaimer> :)
[06:05] <neolinuxien> il est ou le salon en francais ?
[06:05] <arash> !fr |neolinuxien
[06:05] <ubotu> neolinuxien: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:06] <crazylazy> la favor
[06:06] <rep_> ellipsys: kubuntu around 6.0 i think so
[06:06] <stdin> !version | rep_
[06:06] <ubotu> rep_: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[06:06] <neolinuxien> merci
[06:06] <crazylazy> !version | CrazyLazy
[06:07] <ellipsys> rep_:  the parts between the << and >> are the commands to type there.
[06:07] <rep_> kubuntu verson 6.06
[06:07] <ellipsys> rep_: Okay great.
[06:07] <arash> Otaimer: However, it's not a very big deal if you order Ubuntu and later change your mind, starting KDE (Kubuntu) sessions is very easy to do, and vice verse
[06:07] <ellipsys> stdin: Think he should upgrade, or stick with what he's got?
[06:08] <rep_> what is the next step?
[06:09] <stdin> ellipsys: 6.06 is dapper, the LTS version, he can stick with that if he wants but I'd upgrade. only thing is it'll be a headache. he has to go dapper > edgy > feisty
[06:09] <ksivaji> genii
[06:10] <kkathman> stdin:  isnt Gutsy going to be the new LTS ?
[06:10] <genii> ksivaji: Hi. how went the Unichrome install?
[06:10] <genii> kkathman: No, 8.04
[06:10] <ellipsys> rep_: You're using an older version of Kubuntu - are you planning to use 3d applications with Wine? If so you may think about upgrading.
[06:10] <stdin> kkathman: no, gutsy+1
[06:10] <ksivaji> genii ya fine
[06:10] <wastedfluid> Hi guys.  quick problem; i set transparency for my taskbar.. however, when I added 'day of week' and 'date' to my clock - their backgrounds aren't transparent.. but the time itself is transparent(the 12:10) . any way to fix this, and make them transparent, as well?  It's an ugly grey box.. :p
[06:10] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[06:10] <kkathman> AHh ok thanks
[06:11] <rep_> shit...
[06:11] <ksivaji> genii but a samll problem i often get segmentation fault
[06:11] <stdin> !ohmy | rep_
[06:11] <ubotu> rep_: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:11] <ksivaji> !segmentation
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about segmentation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <rep_> Sorry ahueaehue
[06:12] <stdin> ksivaji: segfault on what?
[06:12] <ksivaji> http://pastebin.com/d75d18757
[06:13] <stdin> ksivaji: is that from the repos?
[06:13] <poison--> rep_
[06:13] <ksivaji> stdin when i start any game from terminal it says segmentation fault
[06:13] <genii> I need to eat :) Away munching but watching
[06:14] <rep_> ellipsys: what version do you recommended?
[06:14] <arash> genii, yea, the drama and action of the #kubuntu channel XD
[06:14] <pcsx2> hi guys
[06:14] <rep_> *recommend
[06:14] <stdin> ksivaji: is it from the repos?
[06:14] <ksivaji> stdin repos means
[06:14] <stdin> ksivaji: repositories
[06:14] <ksivaji> stdin yes
[06:15] <stdin> ksivaji: and has that game ever worked since you installed it?
[06:16] <ksivaji> stdin actually i could play the games when i boot last time but unfortunately i frozen last time so i halt my system abnormally
[06:16] <ellipsys> rep_: I suggest the newest version, 7.04 code named "Fiesty"
[06:16] <ksivaji> stdin actually i could play the games when i boot last time but unfortunately it frozen last time so i halt my system abnormally
[06:16] <ksivaji> it*
[06:17] <stdin> ksivaji: look for some directory like ~/.chromium try moving it out of the way
[06:17] <ksivaji> stdin you wnat me to delete that dir
[06:18] <rep_> ellipsys: it's more easy?
[06:18] <stdin> ksivaji: no, just move/rename it
[06:18] <ellipsys> It definately has some improvements.
[06:18] <ksivaji> stdin ~/.chromium its a text file
[06:19] <poison--> rep_ , has more features and its updated
[06:19] <stdin> ksivaji: ahh, ok, just rename that
[06:20] <ksivaji> stdin ya you wnat me to try the game now
[06:20] <stdin> ksivaji: yeah, see if that did it
[06:20] <ksivaji> WARNING: could not read config file (/home/sivaji/.chromium)
[06:21] <Kalex> hola
[06:21] <Kalex> al parecer el chat me funciona
[06:21] <stdin> !es | Kalex
[06:21] <ubotu> Kalex: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:21] <ksivaji> stdin still i get the same error
[06:21] <ksivaji> segmentation fault
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Litle help in getting my Wireless connected from the command line
[06:22] <stdin> ksivaji: try reinstall then "sudo apt-get --reinstall install chromium"
[06:22] <ksivaji>  stdin why segmentation fault fault occur i games
[06:23] <DaSkreech> should iwconfig eth1 essid "ssid" ap "Hex  string" mode managed be enough ?
[06:23] <stdin> ksivaji: a segmentation fault can be caused by a few different things, it means it can't execute the code for some reason
[06:23] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[06:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:23] <wers> I want konqueror to run everytime I press Win+1.. what do I do?
[06:23] <TunaTom> Hey JohnFlux.
[06:24] <TunaTom> After pondering a while over your redifinition of "Shared Memory", I came up with some more questions.
[06:24] <ksivaji> stdin still i get the same error
[06:24] <stdin> DaSkreech: for a open connection yeah, you can see if it's connected with "iwconfig eth1", then you'd need to run "sudo dhclient eth1"
[06:25] <LjL> wers: K / System Settings / Keyboard and Mouse / Keyboard Shortcuts / Command Shortcuts
[06:25] <ksivaji> stdin i didnt shutdown my system properly
[06:25] <wers> I already set Win+1 as the command shortcut for konqueror but after pressing Win+1, nothing happens
[06:25] <genii> Meta
[06:26] <ksivaji> genii
[06:26] <ellipsys> rep_: You can actually upgrade from one version to another more or less automatically, but as I've never done it, maybe someone else in this channel will be able to help you.
[06:26] <ksivaji> i didnt shutdown my system properly   because vdrift game screwed my system
[06:27] <LjL> wers: well i'd double-check what you did, because it works fine here. make sure it actually says "Win+1" next to the "Konqueror" row
[06:27] <genii> ksivaji: And it wants to keep running fsck, or some other issue..?
[06:28] <wers> yeah LjL.. i'm sure with it
[06:28] <DaSkreech> stdin: I killed knetworkmanager cause it has a regression bug that makes it useless in Gutsy
[06:28] <ksivaji> genii even glxgears doesnt work
[06:28] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ glxgears
[06:28] <ksivaji> Segmentation fault
[06:28] <DaSkreech> stdin: I did all that but I still need to be hardwired :-(
[06:28] <ksivaji> is it because of openchrome
[06:28] <LjL> wers: and when you hit Win+1, nothing happens at all? not even a bouncing icon?
[06:29] <genii> ksivaji: I imagine yes. But i cannot be of much help to you on this, I gave up with this driver on another system.,
[06:29] <wers> LjL, I disabled the bouncing icon.. but even the loading image in the taskbar does not appear
[06:29] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ glxinfo
[06:29] <ksivaji> name of display: :0.0
[06:29] <ksivaji> Segmentation fault
[06:29] <stdin> DaSkreech: hmm, knetworkmanager works here, is it a bug with it and your type of wireless?
[06:30] <ksivaji> !openchrome
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openchrome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:30] <LjL> wers: i have no idea. it might be that your Win key isn't detected, but if "Win+1" shows in the settings applet, then it means it *is* detected
[06:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Yes it can't initialize the card. It could in Feisty
[06:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Technically it can but I have to connectto a network with Security then disconnect then connect to my network
[06:31] <wers> LjL, I'm pretty sure that my Win key is detected because whenever I press Win+C my amarok pauses/plays
[06:31] <uga> I love how easy it is to clone machines in *buntu
[06:31] <uga> or anything apt based
[06:31] <Jucato> wers: maybe your 1 isn't detected :P
[06:31] <poison--> buddies, im using wmware on windows, and installed kubuntu, when i plug in my usb hard drive, kubuntu offers me to explorer it but nutin happens
[06:31] <DaSkreech> uga: dd ?
[06:31] <poison--> any ideas?
[06:31] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: I have learned shared memory means data memory that can be read and written to by several processes.
[06:31] <genii> uga: Yeah gotta love get-selections/set-selections
[06:32] <DaSkreech> TunaTom: Yes. Shared
[06:32] <ellipsys> Okay... I've tried to be as helpful as possible but I think I need a hand now with a USB HDD ^^:
[06:32] <uga> DaSkreech: no, just a dpkg listing, and then apt-get them back on the new box
[06:32] <TunaTom> DaSkreech: Processes use shared memory as a means to communicate with each other.
[06:32] <uga> genii: exactly. Oh, that's you... I owe you some lunch or something =)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> TunaTom: Yep which is why it may be useful in figuring out which app to kill
[06:32] <stdin> DaSkreech: this is the line I use to manually connect, it's more than what's needed but it shows a lot of the options: "iwconfig ath0 essid "essid" mode managed freq 2.437G channel 6 rate 54M key xxxxxxxxxx ap XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX"
[06:32] <uga> genii: after installing the asus driver, the hdd runs around 8x faster writing
[06:33] <genii> uga: LOL no worries
[06:33] <uga> had you not told me, I'd be still wondering why the hdd was so slow
[06:33] <DaSkreech> stdin: When I press tab after sudo iwconfig I get eth1 is that safe to assume I should use that?
[06:33] <uga> I hope new kernels install the marvell driver
[06:33] <TunaTom> DaSkreech: I understood JohnFlux yesterday, that in ksysguard, shared memory is everything that's not statically linked.
[06:33] <genii> uga: Now they just need to put a .deb on the cdrom
[06:33] <stdin> DaSkreech: if eth1 is your wireless device, yes
[06:33] <uga> hehe, that'd be nice
[06:34] <DaSkreech> TunaTom: Right so If something is using a lot of memory but most of it is shared then killing it doesn't really free up that much memory
[06:34] <francesco_> guys I've a problem with openoffice update. now when I try to install somethin here's the output :( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/350/
[06:34] <stdin> DaSkreech: "iwconfig" on it's own will show you which interfaces are wireless
[06:34] <DaSkreech> stdin: I'm going to put security on the AP and see if that help
[06:34] <WaltzingAlong> TunaTom: are you worried about memory usage in linux?
[06:34] <TunaTom> DaSkreech: I think it is problematic to redefine a term like "shared memory".
[06:35] <DaSkreech> redefine?
[06:35] <wers> wersdaluv, Jucato? wersdaluvvvvvvvvv??????
[06:35] <Jucato> hehe :P
[06:35] <TunaTom> DaSkreech: Shared memory is a means for processes to communicate, a way to achieve interprocess communication.
[06:36] <TunaTom> Or so I thought.
[06:37] <TunaTom> WaltzingAlong: No, just diving into the depths of memory management and the information we get from there.
[06:37] <ellipsys> Does anyone have the native, 2.60 version of Wolfenstine: Enemy Territory installed on a Kubuntu box?
[06:37] <macosx86> Hi to all!
[06:37] <WaltzingAlong> !memory | TunaTom
[06:37] <ubotu> TunaTom: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[06:37] <stdin> TunaTom: it can be used to do something like that, but it's mostly just memory that's shared between more than one app. like apps that use shared library's only load the one instance of the library and all apps can share that
[06:37] <macosx86> This is a channel for chatting?
[06:37] <WaltzingAlong> macosx86: for support with kubuntu
[06:38] <stdin> macosx86: no, #kubuntu-offtopic is for chat :)
[06:38] <macosx86> thanks!
[06:38] <TunaTom> stdin: does "shared memory" imply write for  all processes sharing the memory?
[06:39] <TunaTom> s/write/write access/
[06:39] <Pita> Anyone using Gutsy + compiz fusion?  I seem to have enabled Emerald as the decoration engine, and would like to configure it to be the Aqua engine (KDE window decorations), but I can't seem to figure out how
[06:39] <stdin> TunaTom: it doesn't really imply that, it's more for shared read access
[06:39] <WaltzingAlong> Pita: this is not yet the place to chat about gutsy
[06:39] <Pita> Doh.  Thanks!
[06:42] <TunaTom> That explains a lot. Seems like I had a very narrow definition of "shared memory"
[06:43] <ellipsys> Nobody with Wolf:ET installed? Well, maybe someone can help me in the more generic sense - I recently installed the game from a .run script and I'd like to be able to do 2 things...
[06:43] <stdin> TunaTom: there are better ways for interprocess communication than by reading and writing to shared memory, tho it's technically possible it's not used
[06:43] <ellipsys> 1. Launch it from my K menu and 2. Know how to uninstall it if possible.
[06:44] <WaltzingAlong> ellipsys: if there is no shortcut to it on the kmenu you can add one.
[06:44] <ellipsys> WaltzingAlong: How can I do so? I'm not really sure what to point it at exactly (the icon, the executable etc...)
[06:45] <randal_> What is the easiest way to set up a messaging system between two computers on the same network - also want file sharing.
[06:45] <ubuntu__> randal_: ssh
[06:46] <genii> randal_: You mean an internal IM system like the old Windows program WinPopup?
[06:46] <randal_> And how to I set up SSH - and how do I use it to communicate
[06:46] <WaltzingAlong> ellipsys: right mouse click on the kmenu, if the panel is not locked, you should see menu editor
[06:46] <ubuntu__> randal_: install the package ssh
[06:46] <ubuntu__> !ssh
[06:46] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:47] <randal_> genii - erm somewhat yeah - something like messenger or yahoo messenger
[06:47] <ellipsys> WaltzingAlong - I've got it
[06:47] <randal_> but only between the two or three networked (all Linux - Kubuntu) computers
[06:48] <genii> randal_: Then ssh will allow you to make a shared file system with sshfs. There is also for kubuntu a program like the old WinPopup one, let me find the name, AFK
[06:48] <stdin> linpopup
[06:48] <stdin> !info linpopup
[06:48] <ubotu> linpopup: X Window System port of Winpopup, running over Samba. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-8.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 78 kB, installed size 344 kB
[06:48] <genii> stdin: Thats it :)
[06:48] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[06:48] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[06:48] <genii> :)
[06:49] <ubuntu__> YEAH FROM DOUBLECLICK
[06:49] <ubuntu__> whoops
[06:49] <randal_> Interesting - I'll have to try that - another issue...
[06:49] <ubuntu__> or jabber
[06:49] <ubuntu__> >_>
[06:49] <randal_> How do I get my email working - I want it on local.host....
[06:50] <wastedfluid> Hi guys.  quick problem; i set transparency for my taskbar.. however, when I added 'day of week' and 'date' to my clock - their backgrounds aren't transparent.. but the time itself is transparent(the 12:10) . any way to fix this, and make them transparent, as well?  It's an ugly grey box.. :p
[06:50] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: yes there is
[06:50] <ksivaji> i installed openchrome now my Xorg restarts if i run glxinfo and glxgears doesnt run
[06:50] <wastedfluid> how? this is so ugly
[06:50] <genii> randal_: Internal-only email?
[06:50] <randal_> ie - I want it on my machine, no I want to receive and send to any email..
[06:50] <Otaimer> hye... i using notebook dell latitute d400.. i want to download kubuntu.. what i want to choose such as kubuntu alternate or kubuntu desktop?
[06:51] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: right mouse click on the clock, select configure clock, appearance
[06:51] <WaltzingAlong> Otaimer: kubuntu desktop lets you try it first then install;
[06:51] <wastedfluid> WaltzingAlong: I see that,but there's no transparent option.. only for HTML colors.
[06:51] <Jucato> wastedfluid: in the appearance, click on the background color, then you'll get the color chooser right?
[06:52] <wastedfluid> Jucato: yes
[06:52] <randal_> I have my clock set up as a digital clock - black background and bright green numbers / letters (I have day of week showing as well)
[06:52] <Jucato> wastedfluid: click on the eye dropper then click on any window background
[06:52] <genii> randal_: Please clarify... you have an ISP which provides you an email account which you just want to confugre, or you wish to run an email server in the LAN and configure it so others can send you mail directly?
[06:52] <wers> guys, my photo on Kopete does not appear to my contacts using the real Y!M client.. do you experience the same thing?
[06:53] <randal_> genii - my ISP email is Embarq - so it's not confiquable - I want to have my own email on my computer to send and recieve
[06:53] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: set the background color to default
[06:53] <genii> randal_: Ah, much trickier then, especially behind a router
[06:53] <randal_> erm yeah - I'm behind a 'firewalled router' actually ...
[06:54] <genii> randal_: The router have a static IP?
[06:54] <randal_> DNS
[06:54] <genii> (external IP to the internet that is)
[06:55] <randal_> ho - erm yeah it's static IP to internet -
[06:55] <randal_> DNS 'server' for all local computers on network
[06:56] <genii> randal_: Then if you have admin access to it, you can set it to port forward 25 and 110 for smtp and pop, then setup a simple mail transport agent like dovecot
[06:56] <randal_> dovecot ? (I was going to use Kmail)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> !adeptcrashfix
[06:56] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:57] <genii> randal_: dovecot is a mail backend. kmail is the frontend to whatever backend you have
[06:58] <randal_> that makes sense - so set up dovecot - and the ports on the router - and then I can use Kmail to send and recieve email?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> stdin: Putting on security allows me to connect
[06:58] <genii> randal_: Basically, yes. you will likely need to configure dovecot of course, but there are many tutorials online for that
[06:59] <genii> randal_: Then when ppl email you it will be name@routerIP-or-name
[06:59] <randal_> yeah - I found some tutorials for several Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian stuff :D
[06:59] <wastedfluid> WaltzingAlong: That doesn't make it transparent.  My background is a sky, so you can tell it's been just "filled"
[06:59] <bigleon> Hallo, I'm trying to get my mev30k mp3 player to transfer data to my laptop, yet it won't work, any troubleshooting idea's?
[07:00] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: i know it is possible,i have it that way here (transparent)
[07:00] <Jucato> wastedfluid: did you do the steps I said?
[07:00] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Let me look up.
[07:00] <ksivaji> "git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm " what this line will do when i run from terminal
[07:00] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: maybe i just do not remember how ;)
[07:00] <wastedfluid> Jucato: I did that.  When you use the eyedropper, it just "fills" the background.. my background is a sky, and the bar is transparent.. so you can tell it's just "filled" in
[07:01] <Jucato> Appearance -> Background color -> Color Picker -> Eye-dropper -> click on the background color of any window.
[07:02] <Jucato> I can't remember if you need to restart kicker: Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:02] <genii> BRB need to go take down my "Screw Off I'm having lunch" sign
[07:02] <randal_> Jucato - he's saying that doing that fills it with a single particular color - not make it 'truly' transparent...
[07:02] <wastedfluid> Ok.  I'll give her a go.
[07:02] <Jucato> randal_: I know. I'm just saying that it's the ugly way to make the clock transparent again
[07:02] <Jucato> ugly and unintuitive...
[07:03] <randal_> Let me look at some settings - I've had my clock transparent before..
[07:04] <Jucato> wastedfluid: you could just add another clock and remove the old one :)
[07:04] <wastedfluid> Where can I get a new clock from?
[07:05] <Jucato> right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel
[07:06] <randal_> clocks for Debian/Kubuntu/Ubuntu are available online, via apt-get, or from your DVD/CD
[07:06] <Jucato> huh?
[07:06] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Wow.  The new clock is transparent.  What gives?
[07:07] <randal_> to get another clock you'll have to either go online (ie do a google search 'Clock Debian' or 'Clock Kubuntu'
[07:07] <Jucato> randal_: no you don't
[07:07] <Jucato> wastedfluid: something silly/stupid... your old clock, which was formerly transparent, but was changed to something non-transparent. but as it turns out, in the color picker, there's no option for transparency
[07:08] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Wel, it's definitely transparent now.  Thanks a lot man.
[07:08] <Jucato> sure
[07:08] <Jucato> you can remove the old one :)
[07:08] <TunaTom> stdin: I have to admit that I became suspicious after I just learned from you, what "shared memory" really is.
[07:08] <TunaTom> stdin: Calling memory that's occupied by program code of shared libraries "shared memory"?
[07:08] <TunaTom> stdin: That seems to contradict what I keep reading on that topic.
[07:09] <TunaTom> stdin: They all refer to "shared memory" as IPC, nothing else.
[07:09] <TunaTom> What's wrong with me? Am I looking into the wrong places?
[07:11] <stdin> TunaTom: in a way it is IPC, sharing the code between the processes
[07:11] <TunaTom> But... where can I find information on the other uses you and JohnFlux described?
[07:12] <TunaTom> stdin: have a look at this: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=293
[07:12] <BluesKaj> BBL, yardwork to do
[07:12] <TunaTom> It even describes the data structure in linux that's used to implement "shared memory".
[07:13] <TunaTom> I just wasn't able to find one single place where "shared memory" is meaning "memory used by shared libraries".
[07:13] <ksivaji> help me glxinfo restarts my X
[07:14] <TunaTom> ksivaji: don't run glxinfo :)
[07:14] <ksivaji> fcku
[07:15] <TunaTom> sorry, could not resist. What x-driver are you using?
[07:15] <wastedfluid> sigh.
[07:15] <ksivaji> TunaTom openchrome
[07:16] <TunaTom> ksivaji: that's used by the xserver? I use that only to accelerate xine..
[07:18] <lwells> how do i get the latest version of Kubuntu?
[07:18] <ksivaji> TunaTom i installed openchrome to support 3d games ,after i installed openchrome i can play 3d games suddently my system frozen
[07:18] <DaSkreech> lwells: what version do you have now?
[07:18] <LjL> !feisty
[07:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:18] <ksivaji> !gusty
[07:18] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[07:18] <ksivaji> !guTSy
[07:18] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:18] <Dr_willis> Gu$t7
[07:19] <lwells> how do i check that again?
[07:19] <marco_> Hey guys, I just moved a file to a usb key, then check on it and it was copied, but when I removed the usb key to use it on my other computer, the file was gone, is there any way to get that file back ?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> lwells: lsb_release -a
[07:19] <Dr_willis> marco_,  you did unmount the usb key befor removing it?
[07:19] <TunaTom> ksivaji: Seems like openchrome is not stable yet? But people keep using compiz although it keeps freezing _my_ box.
[07:19] <marco_> Dr_willis: nop
[07:19] <lwells> I have 6.10
[07:19] <TunaTom> ksivaji: I just don't use it anymore.
[07:19] <Pita> marco_: You need to always "Safely Remove" any USB drives.  Files aren't written synchronously like in Windows
[07:20] <Dr_willis> marco_,  one sould ALWAYS unmount such things 'safely remove' same term. :)
[07:20] <ksivaji> TunaTom so how to remove openchrome now
[07:20] <Dr_willis> plug the usb thing back in . see if it shows up
[07:20] <marco_> Pita: yeah I will in the future, but now.. is it possible to get that file back ?
[07:20] <ksivaji> i installed manually not from repo
[07:20] <genii> ksivaji: Did you use here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome   as the way to install the openchrome ?
[07:20] <TunaTom> ksivaji: Don't know. How did you install it?
[07:21] <ksivaji>  genii ya i saw that i reinstalled everything still doesnt works
[07:21] <marco_> Dr_willis: hmm shows up in the usb key?
[07:21] <lwells> Maybe I should just stick with 6.10?
[07:21] <Pita> marco_: not that I'm aware of, unfortunately
[07:21] <Dr_willis> marco_,  id copy it back to the hard drive NOW... :)
[07:21] <Dr_willis> and veryify its good on the hd..
[07:22] <DaSkreech> lwells: why are you upgrading?
[07:22] <lwells> Just to get the latest I suppose
[07:22] <uga> lwells: was it you that had trouble switching back to terminal? it went black?
[07:22] <DaSkreech> lwells: wait a month and get gutsy
[07:23] <kblin> hi
[07:23] <uga> lwells: I had something similar with the nvidia driver supplied in ubuntu... I just had to get the latest nvidia binary
[07:23] <marco_> Dr_willis: I can't see the file.. it's no where to be found on either the HDD or the usb stick
[07:23] <lwells> What version is gutsy?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> !gutsy
[07:23] <marco_> Dr_willis: maybe it was copied to some place ?
[07:24] <DaSkreech> !gutsy > lwells
[07:24] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:24] <Dr_willis> check the trashcan. is about all i can say. it may be gone.
[07:24] <kblin> it seems like today sound disappeared on my feisty thinkpad. I've checked that alsa is not muted, but I'm at a loss what else could be wrong
[07:24] <kblin> I've booted into windows to check the sound is ok there, and it is
[07:25] <marco_> Dr_willis: Ty
[07:25] <kblin> so it's got to be a software issue
[07:25] <lwells> what is the next version that is LTS?
[07:25] <genii> lwells: April 2008
[07:25] <DaSkreech> !hardy
[07:25] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[07:27] <jhutchins> Early reviews are slamming Gutsy.  "Windows thinking", keeping users from being able to configure for themselves.
[07:28] <TunaTom> JohnFlux? Or another ksysguard dev around?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: Gnome or KDE ?
[07:28] <jhutchins> Pretty sure it was the Gnome version, the one I read said "Ubuntu".
[07:29] <jhutchins> They also said that there were significant "rough spots" that hadn't been addressed, and felt that the effort had gone to making it more like Windows instead.
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Well isn't that the strength of  Gnome?
[07:29] <jhutchins> I dunno, I see it in kubuntu too.
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Which spots?
[07:30] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: I think it's a great idea to display memory that's used by shared libraries separate from the memory programs use themselves.
[07:30] <ksivaji> ng Ctrl-Alt-Backspace from the login screen. If Xorg does not start anymore, lo
[07:30] <ksivaji> how to uninstall a package which is installed manually
[07:31] <TunaTom> JohnFlux:  But I think it is a mistake to call that "shared memory".
[07:31] <jhutchins> Kubuntu auto-configuration for hardware fails too often, it should be more manual and more reliable.
[07:31] <TunaTom> JohnFlux: since everything points into the direction that "shared memory" is more or less restricted to the IPC meaning.
[07:31] <Lynoure> ksivaji: e.g.  sudo aptitude remove packagename    works
[07:32] <ksivaji> Lynoure maully manually
[07:32] <Lynoure> ksivaji: .deb is a .deb, in the sense than once you have installed it, it's treated just like any other package
[07:32] <ksivaji> Lynoure maully manually installed eg ./configure make make install
[07:32] <Lynoure> ksivaji: then it is not a package...
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Is there an anti basename ?
[07:32] <ksivaji> Lynoure ok from source
[07:33] <RurouniJones> Ialways wondered how you remove programs installed via the ./configure make make install route
[07:33] <Lynoure> ksivaji: that varies per software... hunt down the files, delete, make sure everything still works
[07:34] <Lynoure> RurouniJones: sometimes there is a   make uninstall  but rarely
[07:34] <genii> ksivaji: go to where you ran "make" run instead "make dist-clean"
[07:34] <Phoenix92x> does make deinstall do the trick?
[07:34] <Phoenix92x> I know it does in freebsd
[07:34] <ksivaji> ok ok
[07:34] <genii> make dist-clean is the best bet
[07:34] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: You either have --prefix= and rm -rf the dir or do a make uninstall
[07:35] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: OR the most fun one. Go through logs and delete files one by one
[07:35] <uga2> uhm... I firewalled myself off. Somehow the net card is identified as eth1 on this box, rather than eth0... I wonder why
[07:35] <uga2> so my shorewall rules didn't quite help me connecting ;)
[07:35] <RurouniJones> DaSkreech: I'll go with option 1 as I am not a masochist
[07:35] <genii> uga2: I'm having that same exact issue on my system
[07:36] <genii> uga2: (the p5k-se at home. i'm at work right now. but it refuses to be eth0. when i make it eth0 it changes it's mac address and is eth1 again
[07:37] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: that way makes a kinda chroot for the app. It kinda kills shared libs but it's sure easy to remove
[07:37] <Kimppa> hello. Could you please recommend a software for listening to internet radios which are broadcasted in .pls
[07:37] <Jucato> Amarok
[07:38] <Lynoure> Doesn't make dist-clean   usually just remove all the compilation directories? I don't think it usually spans outside the source code directory tree. (I could be wrong)
[07:38] <RurouniJones> DaSkreech: Useful to know, I am going to have to install a source program tomorrow which will need to be upgraded a lot so I will probably go down the prefix'd route
[07:38] <DaSkreech> RurouniJones: upgraded from source ?
[07:38] <genii> Lynoure: It also wipes out any preexisting conf files, binaries which got put in /usr/bin and so on
[07:38] <Kimppa> Jucato: doesn't recognize file format
[07:39] <uga> genii: I was thinking the board might have a second lan interface without connector, but I don't see anything on the docs. I recall the shop guy did mention somethinb about double network card, but maybe it was on another board
[07:39] <genii> uga: I have no answer yet for this, for now i'm using a second pci nic
[07:39] <Jucato> Kimppa: .pls is a shoutcast playlist. add it as a playlist I think. but you need the correct codecs installed (like MP3 or WMA codecs)
[07:39] <Jucato> !compile | RurouniJones
[07:39] <ubotu> RurouniJones: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:40] <uga> genii: oh, why so. Doesn't the on-board card work for you?
[07:40] <Jucato> some more tips there ^^^
[07:41] <Lynoure> genii: I'm thinking that's very project specific... I would not trust it to, without checking, but I'm a sceptic.
[07:41] <genii> uga: It works as i said, but keeps shifting to eth1 when i force it to eth0 by putting it's mac address in /etc/iftab    ...when i do that, it has a different hardware mac each time it comes up again and is always being eth1 again
[07:42] <RurouniJones> Cheers jucato & DaSkreech.
[07:42] <Zeelot> hey guys, is there a command to copy all the files in a mac drive to my linux partition
[07:42] <jhutchins> Zeelot: rsync
[07:42] <genii> Zeelot: If HFS but not HFS+
[07:43] <Kimppa> Jucato: ok. Do you have any idea what those packages might be named?
[07:43] <Jucato> Kimppa: libxine-extracodecs for MP3
[07:43] <genii> jhutchins: Ah, if he has 2 machines yes
[07:43] <uga> genii: different hw mac??? that's plain ... not only silly, but also illegal?. I hadn't notice that
[07:44] <genii> uga: Try what i said and note every time a new MAC
[07:44] <Zeelot> how do I know if it's HFS+?
[07:44] <jhutchins> genii: rsync works great within a system, doesn't need to be networked.
[07:44] <uga> genii: okay, I will test that a little later. I cannot remove the network right now. I have a couple pci net cards anyway, so I could use them...
[07:44] <genii> Zeelot: It's in the same computer?
[07:44] <Zeelot> I have the mac drive connected through usb
[07:45] <Zeelot> all the files show up but not things in the users folders
[07:45] <Zeelot> which is what I need to backup, the mac died
[07:45] <genii> Zeelot: Ah, then mount it with option "user"  in the fstab or mount line
[07:46] <genii> Zeelot: If you can read it already not +
[07:47] <Kimppa> hmm... libxine-extracodecs was already installed, but amarok wasn't able to play the playlist :/
[07:47] <genii> uga: I also upgraded the bios to 0401 but it did not fix it
[07:47] <genii> uga: (just FYI)
[07:52] <genii> (which is actually what i'm drinking instead of the usual coffee)
[07:52] <genii> Jucato: Maybe go for a nap
[07:53] <Jucato> it's almost 2am
[07:53] <Jucato> just finishing a reply to a blog
[07:53] <Jucato> (which could be as long as a blog post itself)
[07:53] <poison--> 2am???
[07:53] <poison--> where u live?
[07:53] <poison--> its almost 3PM herer
[07:53] <poison--> -r
[07:54] <Jucato> half way around the world from you obviously :)
[07:55] <Zeelot> ok so it mounts fine and all the files are there but the Desktop folder is empty...anyone know why?
[07:56] <genii> 2PM here ...3 more hours of work still....
[07:59] <genii> !ping
[07:59] <ubotu> pong
[07:59] <genii> OK, not ghosted :)
[08:00] <sebbar> hi, if I connect my mp3 player it gets automatically mounted (device node /dev/sda1). Then if I click on "safely remove" how do I mount it again without unpluggin/pluggin it in again?
[08:01] <stdin> sebbar: answer is you can't
[08:04] <sebbar> stdin: mmh do you know by chance if you click on "do nothing" when you plug in the mp3 player in the kde dialog the icon of the device should still appear on the desktop right? Sorry if the question seems a bit strange but a friend of mine is telling me that his mp3 player doesn't get mounted anymore and he doesn't know why
[08:04] <Zeelot> no one know? please?
[08:05] <scheater6> sebbar: it should still mount it, and put an icon on the desktop
[08:05] <stdin> sebbar: I think "do nothing" just mounts it and nothing else (it may or may not appear on the desktop but it will be in media:/ )
[08:06] <scheater6> sebbar: has he tried restarting the computer with the device plugged in?  I've got an external harddrive that won't mount properly unless it's attached at boot time
[08:06] <sebbar> scheater6: ok tnx, will tell him to try that
[08:07] <sebbar> mmh he tried that already :(
[08:07] <sebbar> so probably the player is broken?
[08:08] <sebbar> or maybe the cable...
[08:08] <stdin> more likely the automount system just isn't working
[08:08] <scheater6> sebbar: well, not necessarily.  Has he tried it on another computer?
[08:09] <scheater6> sebbar: much as I hate to say it, it would probably be a good litmus test to attach it to a windows computer, since that is what it was probably designed for
[08:12] <sebbar> unfortunately he doesn't have any other computer nor windows... interestingly he tried to plug in an ipod and it worked fine, are ipods any different from a zen stone?
[08:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> if by that you mean: do ipods help to center and relax you in order to become one with the universe and reach nirvana, i would say yes.
[08:13] <sebbar> well if there's no other option he'll try to find a windows computer I suppose
[08:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's always virtualbox
[08:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> good luck getting usb working though
[08:14] <scheater6> sebbar: more than likely they are both treated as mass storage devices by ubuntu, so to the automount system they're identical
[08:14] <scheater6> Daisuke_Laptop: I didn't have any trouble getting usb to work on VirtualBox.
[08:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> really...
[08:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> i cannot get it to work for the life of me.
[08:14] <sebbar> stdin, scheater6: ok, tnx very much for the help
[08:15] <scheater6> Daisuke_Laptop: yea, and I'm virtualization impaired.
[08:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> scheater6: that makes it even more strange because i've got the virtualization part
[08:23] <Zeelot> ok I cant figure this out >_< could it be permission problems? why are the Desktop and Documents directories empty?
[08:25] <jander99> Is Ubuntu's hardware database collection stuff not working?
[08:29] <wnh001> hi, Im attempting to compile pidgin and install it with checkinstall. the compilation works perfectly, but checkinstall reports this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38156/
[08:29] <wnh001> any help would be massively appreciated
[08:30] <glaser> hallo
[08:30] <tdj> hey
[08:30] <wnh001> hi
[08:31] <wnh001> hi, Im attempting to compile pidgin and install it with checkinstall. the compilation works perfectly, but checkinstall reports this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38156/
[08:31] <wnh001> any help would be greatly appreciated
[08:31] <wnh001> whoops wrong room
[08:32] <Zeelot> arg...is there a tool that would copy the mac partition in a better way?
[08:34] <genii> back
[08:35] <genii> Zeelot: try running the file manager in admin mode, eg: kdesu konqueror       (if konqueror is what you're using)
[08:35] <freewillmachine> hey, guys
[08:36] <freewillmachine> my friend showed me kubuntu the other day, and now I've set it up
[08:36] <freewillmachine> but I have a problem. How do I get java? I tried using aptitude, and I also tried downloading directly from sun, but neither worked
[08:36] <freewillmachine> I already used update-java-alternatives
[08:37] <jander99> freewillmachine, you should use aptitude to install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[08:38] <freewillmachine> it says that they aren't found anywhere
[08:39] <freewillmachine> they're referred to by other packages...?
[08:39] <freewillmachine> I've enabled all repositories
[08:39] <jander99> freewillmachine, have you enabled universe and multiverse for your repositories?
[08:39] <jander99> hmm.
[08:39] <freewillmachine> yeah
[08:40] <freewillmachine> can you install them?
[08:40] <freewillmachine> is there anywhere I could get a standard sources.list file?
[08:40] <freewillmachine> maybe there's something wrong with mine
[08:40] <jander99> I can but I am also using gutsy, not feisty.
[08:40] <freewillmachine> oh
[08:40] <jander99> freewillmachine, try using java5 instead of java6.
[08:41] <freewillmachine> same message... this is so strange
[08:41] <stdin> freewillmachine: are you on 64bit ?
[08:41] <freewillmachine> no
[08:42] <jander99> freewillmachine, have you tried the steps on http://www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[08:42] <stdin> make sure you have multiverse enabled, it is there
[08:42] <freewillmachine> alright, I'll try both your suggestions
[08:42] <stdin> !info sun-java6-jre
[08:42] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[08:54] <genii> !ping
[08:54] <ubotu> pong
[08:54] <genii> OK, alive
[08:55] <poison--> lmao
[08:55] <genii> Too quiet in here :)
[08:55] <poison--> lets get busy than
[08:55] <poison--> damn smb is givin me the creeps again
[08:56] <genii> poison--: OK, whats samba doing to ya?
[08:56] <genii> Or not doing
[08:56] <poison--> first it dont find all the puters in the network
[08:56] <poison--> second it gives an error when i try to save sudo axx
[08:56] <genii> They all have to broadcast for it to find them
[08:56] <poison--> says smb4k.lock doesnt exist
[08:57] <genii> When you sudo cp <file>       it gives some error?
[08:57] <poison--> and now it just dont axx any machine
[08:57] <poison--> bah
[08:58] <poison--> no
[08:58] <genii> What is "axx"
[08:58] <poison--> weird is if i use pybrowser i can see the machines
[08:58] <poison--> but i cant axx em
[08:58] <poison--> axx= access
[08:58] <poison--> :D
[08:58] <genii> Ok
[08:59] <poison--> gonna purge the ddamn thing ans reinstall
[09:00] <genii> If going from linux to access Windows share, it tries to use the wm login name as default name to access the share.
[09:00] <genii> If unsuccessful you can see the box but not enter
[09:01] <poison--> cant even axx my linux share
[09:06] <wesley> hello does someone know how to convert a vob file to avi
[09:06] <genii> back
[09:07] <wesley> or a gui to convert vob to avi?
[09:11] <genii> poison--: What i normally do is make on each box a dedicated name of "smbuser" then on the linux shares in smb.conf all bad username logins are just mapped to that name. No permissions issues. When there is a valid actual username it goes to their home dir (there is a setting in the smb.conf again for this)
[09:11] <DaSkreech> freewillmachine: can you pastebin Your sources?
[09:12] <sombrerrance> bonsoir tout le monde !
[09:14] <stdin> !es
[09:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:14] <uga> wesley: you can use ffmpeg
[09:14] <uga> wesley: there's a sample here: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg-doc.html
[09:15] <poison--> dats frensh bud
[09:15] <uga> wesley: afaik vob files are just mpeg2 files anyway
[09:15] <poison--> !fr
[09:15] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:15] <uga> or something similar at least
[09:15] <wesley> yes but the size is to big
[09:16] <stdin> poison--: was going from the location actually country:     MX
[09:17] <poison--> :D
[09:17] <wesley> i did make succefull a amv in kdenlive
[09:17] <poison--> now i was able to purge konqueror
[09:17] <poison--> ahahahahahahhaha
[09:17] <poison--> ffs
[09:17] <lewix> ubotu, tu fais quoi la alors :)
[09:18] <uga> stdin: errrrm...  he just said goodnight to everyone. That's forbidden? :P
[09:18] <lewix> I need a command to know the driver my graphic card is using
[09:19] <poison--> !fr
[09:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:19] <poison--> dats a bot mate
[09:20] <wesley> i believe it works
[09:20] <stdin> lewix: grep -C5 "Section \"Device\"" /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver
[09:21] <uga> stdin: that gets me a null output
[09:21] <uga> if you use grep -i Driver at the end, I get the nvidia driver line
[09:22] <stdin> uga: then nvidia is stupid :p
[09:22] <wesley> thats great the size is now about 25 mb
[09:23] <stdin> easiest way is to just look at xorg.conf yourself anyway, as long as you're smarted than grep
[09:23] <uga> you gotta be very smart to get a working grepping quicker than actually looking into the file with vi and reading
[09:25] <DaSkreech> wesley: dvd::rip ?
[09:26] <wesley> no i did make a Anime Music Video with Kdenlive
[09:26] <wesley> and best output i could choose was dvd
[09:26] <DaSkreech> !info gnucash
[09:26] <ubotu> gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.2-3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2065 kB, installed size 6512 kB
[09:26] <DaSkreech> !info kmymoney
[09:26] <ubotu> Package kmymoney does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:26] <DaSkreech> !info kmymoney2
[09:26] <ubotu> kmymoney2: personal finance manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1build1 (feisty), package size 6680 kB, installed size 13200 kB
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Hmm what's the difference between is sextra and is soptional?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Bah
[09:28] <DaSkreech> extra and optional
[09:29] <genii> !ohmy |daskreetch
[09:29] <ubotu> daskreetch: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:29] <genii> ROFL
[09:29] <lewix> what does '|' mean like in dmesg ndiswrapper | grep or something
[09:29] <genii> DaSkreech: j/k
[09:29] <lewix> I don't know how to use grep very well
[09:29] <DaSkreech> lewix: It's a pipe
[09:29] <lewix> DaSkreech, meaning
[09:29] <DaSkreech> lewix: it makes the output of one program the input of the one after it
[09:29] <genii> lewix: | is to funnel results from one thing to the next. grep is Grab REGular expression
[09:30] <genii> Grag Regular ExPression rather
[09:30] <DaSkreech> so instead of it being printed on the screen it's sent to the next program to work on
[09:30] <genii> bbaaaahhhh typos
[09:30] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | genii
[09:30] <ubotu> genii: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:30] <DaSkreech> heehee :)
[09:30] <lewix> genii, DaSkreech : thanks, so it'd be more like : dmseg | grep ndiswrapper
[09:31] <DaSkreech> lewix: yes print out dmesg then search that for a line that says ndiswrapper
[09:31] <genii> lewix: Yes
[09:31] <DaSkreech> gen
[09:31] <DaSkreech> And it means Global Regular Expression Print
[09:32] <lewix> stdin, thanks the option -C5 is for the five first line?. is it easier to read xorg.conf though ? :)
[09:32] <genii> DaSkreech: OK :)
[09:32] <gnomefreak> !adept
[09:32] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:32] <stdin> lewix: -C is "context" -C5 prints 5 lines before and after the match
[09:33] <gnomefreak> !fix
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <gnomefreak> grrrrrr
[09:33] <newsense07> pipe
[09:33] <newsense07> pipes the output of one command into the input of another
[09:33] <stdin> !aptfix
[09:33] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:33] <gnomefreak> stdin: ty
[09:33] <stdin> just had to stick those two together :)
[09:33] <lewix> whats the best cmd line editor
[09:34] <DaSkreech> ed!
[09:34] <DaSkreech> lewix: Which everone you are comfortable and efficent in
[09:34] <stdin> anything but vi(m)
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Normally comes down to nano vi or emacs
[09:34] <DaSkreech> or ed
[09:34] <DaSkreech> >_>
[09:34] <lewix> nano!!!!!!!!!!
[09:35] <lewix> thats what i was looking for
[09:35] <stdin> VI = eVIl
[09:35] <lewix> stdin, thanks..
[09:36] <stdin> VI is roman for 6, and three users using vi is 666 < evil
[09:36] <DaSkreech> stdin: 3000
[09:38] <DaSkreech> stdin: /me waves at ompaul
[09:38] <DaSkreech> blast!
[09:38] <lewix> stdin, your command didn't work though
[09:38] <stdin> lewix: what last command?
[09:38] <lewix> stdin, I tried nano /etc/X11/Xorg.conf | grep driver
[09:38] <DaSkreech> lewix: ha ha :)
[09:38] <lewix> but it's taking forever
[09:38] <DaSkreech> lewix: try cat
[09:39] <stdin> lewix: no, don't use nano with a pipe
[09:39] <kreib> anyone can help me recover my kde menu? had kubuntu 704, but got messed up by sabayon
[09:39] <DaSkreech> lewix: ^C
[09:39] <lewix> huh?
[09:39] <lewix> why is that
[09:39] <DaSkreech> lewix: It doesn't have an output to stdout
[09:39] <ompaul> DaSkreech, 'lo
[09:39] <stdin> lewix: press "Ctrl -X" then "n" then "q"
[09:39] <lewix> DaSkreech, oh so it's just to edit ? ...grr now it froze
[09:40] <DaSkreech> ompaul: Hello :)
[09:40] <DaSkreech> XboxUser: Old one I assume
[09:40] <lewix> stdin, how would you know that
[09:40] <lewix> thanks though
[09:40] <stdin> lewix: because I know all :p
[09:40] <DaSkreech> lewix: how would you know what?
[09:41] <lewix> to press Ctrl -X then n
[09:41] <stdin> Ctrl-X tells nano to quit, it asks you if you want to save tho, so "n" means no, then nano exits and "q" quits less
[09:41] <lewix> oh and I thought it was freezing
[09:41] <DaSkreech> lewix: :-)
[09:42] <DaSkreech> lewix: press up and replace nano with cat
[09:42] <lewix> ok now I have a list of drivers..how do I know what's the correct one
[09:42] <lewix> DaSkreech, already did..thanks though
[09:43] <stdin> lewix: do this command: grep -C5 "Section \"Device\"" /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep -i Driver             (copy and paste the line)
[09:43] <lewix> stdin, hmm thanks man but I hate stuff I can't remember and I don't get where you got it from
[09:44] <DaSkreech> lewix: you know grep ?
[09:44] <stdin> I got it from my brain :)
[09:44] <lewix> stdin, I mean I dont understand "Section \"device\"" /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[09:44] <lewix> I do understand grep
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[09:45] <stdin> that searches for: Section "Device"
[09:45] <DaSkreech> genii: It's ... all .. dark
[09:46] <genii> DaSkreech: :)
[09:46] <stdin> genii: nooooo, that's my intellectual property! now pay me some protection money or I'll sue ;)
[09:46] <DaSkreech> stdin: I think I can mathematically prove otherwise
[09:47] <stdin> 1 + 1 = $((1+1))
[09:47] <lewix> stdin, thanks now I get it...but how the hell do you remenber it's in the section device
[09:48] <stdin> lewix: because I just do, that's where the driver for the card is declared
[09:48] <DaSkreech> stdin: When I redirect a file into a loop it makes each line the variable the loop is based on right?
[09:48] <lewix> hmm
[09:49] <lewix> stdin, hehe I see anyway I still have two driver on the list
[09:49] <lewix> "Ati" "fglrx"
[09:49] <stdin> DaSkreech: Error: Segmentation Fault
[09:49] <stdin> lewix: does one have a '#' before the line?
[09:50] <lewix> stdin, nope
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Bah fat load of help this MRI is!
[09:50] <DaSkreech> genii: Just for you I didn't type fart
[09:50] <stdin> lewix: comment out one then
[09:51] <genii> hmm
[09:51] <DaSkreech> stdin: I'm writing a script to recurse through folders while ignoring folders in a blacklist file
[09:51] <lewix> stdin, how do you do that
[09:52] <stdin> lewix: put a '#' at the beginning of the line in the file
[09:52] <ubuntu> need hlpguuys
[09:52] <ubuntu> I need hep installing flash player
[09:52] <DaSkreech> !flash | ubuntu
[09:52] <ubotu> ubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:52] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: 64 Bit machine?
[09:53] <ubuntu> omg ur AWESOME
[09:53] <lewix> stdin, why should I do that. I just want to find out what's my driver
[09:54] <DaSkreech> I have some awe I guess
[09:54] <stdin> lewix: you can't have 2 lines with the driver, one must be commented out
[09:54] <randal_> has anyone made WINE work in Kubuntu (AMD 64)?
[09:55] <ubuntu> culd sum1 help me install flash step to step
[09:55] <ubuntu> pl0x
[09:55] <randal_> Hello? Anybody here with an AMD 64 running Kubuntu and WINE?
[09:56] <ubuntu> i am running kubuntu 32 bit please help w flash
[09:56] <randal_> << cannot help with flash - it doesn't work on my machine
[09:56] <stdin> lewix: see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38163/   line 3 is a comment and so is ignored
[09:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Did you read the URL I just sent you
[09:57] <DaSkreech> randal_: 64 Bit machine ?
[09:57] <ubuntu> yes
[09:57] <DaSkreech> ubuW
[09:57] <ubuntu> i am totally new t o linux
[09:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Where did you have a problem ?
[09:57] <ubuntu> installing slash 9
[09:57] <ubuntu> flash*
[09:57] <randal_> DaSkreech - yes AMD Athlon 64 2700+ (fairly new at that)
[09:58] <lili> oiiiiiiiiii
[09:58] <DaSkreech> !flash64 | randal_
[09:58] <ubotu> randal_: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:58] <ubuntu> ok ill try
[09:58] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: you couldn't get past the Title?
[09:58] <randal_> Windows was on it (till it died a horrble death) and now it Runs (mostly) Kubuntu Linux for 64bit
[09:59] <lewix> stdin, damn I think I did a mistake...I used vim to edit it and I dont seem to know how to get out of that
[09:59] <DaSkreech> randal_: that URL should help
[10:00] <DaSkreech> lewix: Do you want to save ?
[10:00] <lewix> no
[10:00] <randal_> I'm going to look at that site now - :D
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Press Esc twice then type :q!
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Press enter
[10:00] <lewix> wtf...it's like another language
[10:01] <lewix> hell no...im no using that no more
[10:02] <lewix> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m15cf556e
[10:02] <stdin> now you know why I say it's evil :p
[10:02] <lewix> that's my xorg.conf
[10:02] <DaSkreech> stdin: emacs! :)
[10:02] <lewix> stdin, what do you use then kedit?
[10:02] <stdin> no, nano
[10:02] <kim_> Hey all! :)
[10:03] <stdin> lewix: post the whole file, I can't tell for sure what you're using from that
[10:03] <lewix> stdin, DaSkreech : i thought nano doesnt have an output to stdout
[10:03] <kim_> Just woundering... Konqueror has a Google-search function, right? Like in Firefox (I'm sure I've seen it before). How do I activate it in Kubuntu?
[10:04] <lewix> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m1d2e456f
[10:04] <stdin> lewix: stdout is the terminal, you don't want nano to write the file to stdout, you want it to write to the file
[10:04] <stdin> ok, I'm pretty sure you're using "fglrx"
[10:04] <DaSkreech> kim_: type gg <term to search for.
[10:05] <DaSkreech> >
[10:05] <lewix> stdin, so cat was the only thing I coul have used or just typed it differently like: grep Driver /etc/filename
[10:05] <ubuntu> i tried installing flash
[10:05] <kim_> DaSkreech, Thank you! But isnt there supposed to be a special field for Google?
[10:05] <ubuntu> but it still isnt working
[10:05] <DaSkreech> lewix: except foe sed all editors don't write to stdout
[10:05] <DaSkreech> kim_: yes
[10:06] <stdin> lewix: yeah
[10:06] <kreib> how can I rebuild the default bottom menu bar ? I lost my icons , quick start menu etc
[10:06] <ubuntu> oops got kicked
[10:06] <kim_> DaSkreech, How do I make it visible?
[10:06] <ubuntu> FLASH PLAYER STILL ISNT WORKING
[10:06] <ubuntu> SOMEONE pl0x PM ME
[10:06] <stdin> !shout | ubuntu
[10:06] <ubotu> ubuntu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:06] <ubuntu> ok
[10:06] <ubuntu> soz
[10:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: where did you reach ?
[10:07] <lewix> stdin, I tired to install beryl once so I dont know if my xorg.conf is normal...
[10:07] <ubuntu> Where did I reach?
[10:07] <ubuntu> What do you mean?
[10:07] <DaSkreech> on the walkthrough
[10:07] <ubuntu> i did the install thing
[10:07] <ubuntu> flash linux edition
[10:07] <ubuntu> or something
[10:07] <DaSkreech> dad!!! YOU came home!!
[10:08] <stdin> lewix: looks normal enough
[10:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: how?
[10:08] <dad> nubie
[10:08] <ubuntu> i dont know
[10:08] <ubuntu> Can i please start over
[10:08] <ubuntu> please pm me
[10:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: sure
[10:08] <lewix> stdin, what's the difference between ATI and flgrx...I thought they're both ATI driver (which I heard sucks)?
[10:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: no help is in this chan
[10:08] <ubuntu> ty
[10:08] <lewix> stdin, how are you so sure that I use fglrx?
[10:09] <lewix> sorry to ask so many question mayne
[10:09] <ubuntu> Daskreech, plz pm me w help
[10:09] <stdin> lewix: "ati" is the open source driver, "fglrx" is the binary closed source driver
[10:09] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: anything you don't understand why you are doing just ask herer
[10:09] <ubuntu> whos herer
[10:09] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: us
[10:09] <ubuntu> I have the install flash player file on my desktop
[10:10] <ubuntu> and i dont know how to install
[10:10] <ubuntu> All i installed was linux32
[10:10] <lewix> stdin, ok I see......ok If I want to install the newest driver from fglrx. what are the steps
[10:11] <ubuntu> sum1 plz help me
[10:11] <ubuntu> !!!
[10:11] <stdin> lewix: because "Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0] "" is in Section "Screen" and Section "Device" and  in the Section "ServerLayout" it has "aticonfig-Screen[0] "  that's how
[10:11] <kim_> ubuntu, open "Synaptic Package Manager" and search for flashplayer-nonfree
[10:11] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: did yu read the site i sent you>
[10:11] <ubuntu> yes
[10:11] <stdin> !attitude | ubuntu
[10:11] <ubotu> ubuntu: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:12] <ubuntu> Can you resend plz
[10:12] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: did you follow  it?
[10:12] <ubuntu> I tried
[10:12] <DaSkreech> !flash > ubuntu
[10:12] <ubuntu> I am on ther help.ubuntu.com page
[10:13] <ubuntu> i am on that page right now
[10:13] <kim_> ubuntu, If you are running Firefox (if your not, get it!) it will ask you if you want to install Flash automatically if you go to a site with flash (like youtube)
[10:13] <ubuntu> How can i install firefox
[10:13] <ubuntu> ?
[10:13] <kim_> ubuntu, do you know where the terminal is?
[10:13] <ubuntu> yes
[10:14] <kim_> ok, open it and type: "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[10:14] <ubuntu> ok
[10:14] <ubuntu> 1 sec
[10:14] <kim_> that will install firefox
[10:14] <poison--> ubuntu, need help in portuguese?
[10:14] <ubuntu> no
[10:14] <ubuntu> i am english
[10:14] <poison--> lmao
[10:14] <poison--> usually helps :D
[10:14] <ubuntu> i think it is installing reight now
[10:15] <kim_> ubuntu, good :)
[10:15] <ubuntu> it says 7 firefox, with the percewnt
[10:15] <kreib> how can I rebuild the default bottom menu bar ? I lost my icons , quick start menu etc
[10:15] <kim_> ubuntu, after the install finishes Firefox will be in your Network menu.
[10:15] <ubuntu> ok
[10:15] <ubuntu> ty
[10:15] <ubuntu> vm
[10:15] <kim_> ubuntu, then it is probably still downloading
[10:16] <ubuntu> it says done now
[10:16] <ubuntu> wheres my network menu
[10:16] <stdin> kreib: move/backup the file ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc and the directory ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/
[10:17] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[10:17] <kreib> ok
[10:17] <ubuntu> kubuntu
[10:17] <ubuntu> I have kubuntu
[10:17] <kim_> ubuntu, sorry, I ment "Internet"
[10:17] <ubuntu> ok
[10:17] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: KMenu -> Internet
[10:18] <lewix> stdin, how can I know the version of my driver :)?
[10:18] <ubuntu> I don't see it in there :(
[10:18] <kim_> ubuntu, are you sure the install finished? What does the terminal say?
[10:18] <ubuntu> this is the last 3 lines
[10:18] <stdin> lewix: "apt-cache policy xorg-driver-fglrx"
[10:18] <ubuntu> Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.8.17-1ubuntu5) ...
[10:18] <ubuntu> Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[10:18] <ubuntu> Updating the gdk-pixbuf loaders list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[10:18] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[10:19] <stdin> !paste | ubuntu
[10:19] <ubotu> ubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: press Alt+F1 then click on Internet
[10:19] <ubuntu> ok
[10:19] <ubuntu> what is that supposed to do
[10:19] <kim_> ubuntu, it probably says "Web Browser (Firefox)" btw. Its something KDE does
[10:20] <ubuntu> do i hold alt + f1 down
[10:20] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: No
[10:20] <ubuntu> i did that
[10:20] <ubuntu> it sdidnt do anything
[10:20] <kim_> ubuntu, then try this: type "firefox" in your terminal. Then we will se if it installed or not =)
[10:20] <lewix> stdin , lol I have the last version and the bug I have is supposed to be fixed
[10:20] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: didn't pop up a menu?
[10:21] <ubuntu> it did pop up a menu
[10:21] <ubuntu> a window just popped up and said about kubuntu - firefox
[10:21] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Did the menu have the Word internet on it?
[10:21] <ubuntu> yes
[10:21] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: That's firefox Enjoy
[10:22] <ubuntu> it is?
[10:22] <ubuntu> o sweet
[10:22] <ubuntu> tyvm
[10:22] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: If you have any other questions please ask in here
[10:22] <ubuntu> ok
[10:23] <MrKimm> ubuntu, you can drag the Firefox icon to the desktop or panel if you want to find it faster
[10:23] <sourcemaker> how much memory do I need for a full kde environment with development tools?
[10:24] <stdin> sourcemaker: memory or storage ?
[10:24] <sourcemaker> memory.. for storage i have 1 700 GB  *g*
[10:24] <ubuntu> Firefox asked me if i wanted to install flash, and it failed
[10:24] <ubuntu> whats going on?
[10:25] <poison--> have same issue, but with java
[10:25] <MrKimm> ubuntu, it failed??
[10:25] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: It can be done on 128 MB I'd suggest 256 512 is very comfortable
[10:25] <kreib> thanks for advice on moving kicker! worked out great
[10:25] <ubuntu> mrkimm: yes, when i tried to install flash automatically
[10:25] <stdin> sourcemaker: let's see, I have practically the whole or KDE3 and KDE4 with Qt3 and Qt4 installed with source and it's taking about 10GB
[10:26] <MrKimm> ubuntu, open your terminal again, there are other ways to install flash.
[10:26] <ubuntu> ok i opened it
[10:26] <MrKimm> ubuntu, ok, 1 sec, just going to look for the package
[10:27] <ubuntu> ok
[10:27] <sourcemaker> I have currently 1 GB RAM ... but sometimes... I think it is too less
[10:27] <DaSkreech> MrKimm: flashplugin-nonfree
[10:27] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: What is your Dev environment?
[10:27] <MrKimm> ubuntu, now type: "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" then tell uss if it works or not
[10:27] <MrKimm> DaSkreech, ty :)
[10:27] <stdin> sourcemaker: no, that's plenty
[10:28] <DaSkreech> stdin: Ever used Eclipse?
[10:28] <ubuntu> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[10:28] <ubuntu> didnt work
[10:28] <sourcemaker> I use Eclipse, Netbeans, Quanta and KDevelop...
[10:28] <stdin> DaSkreech: no, I've used KDevelop but never Eclipse
[10:28] <MrKimm> ubuntu, ok, you need to enable extra repositories
[10:29] <ubuntu> how??
[10:29] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: ah Eclipse loves Memory the more you can throw at it the better
[10:29] <MrKimm> Wait, I'll guide you though it
[10:29] <DaSkreech> !multiverse | ubuntu
[10:29] <ubotu> ubuntu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:29] <stdin> ubuntu: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:29] <ubuntu> ok
[10:29] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: that's much more Eclipse than any environment it runs in though
[10:30] <stdin> sourcemaker: use whatever you can find, then decide which you like best and go with that
[10:30] <ubuntu> how do i do this?
[10:30] <sourcemaker> But eclipse... i have configured to use not more than 512 MB
[10:30] <MrKimm> ubuntu, type "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list" dont change anything in the file though!
[10:30] <ubuntu> ok
[10:31] <MrKimm> ubuntu, find the line "#deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe" and remove the "#" (if there are two #'s remove them both)
[10:31] <MrKimm> ubuntu, then find the line "#deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty multiverse" and do the same thing. Then save and exit
[10:31] <sourcemaker> But I also think... that amarok has a memory leak in the current version I have installed on my system... is it possible or is my linux miss configured ?
[10:32] <MrKimm> ubuntu, oh... thats if your using swedish servers, sorry... they should end with "universe" and "multiverse" though!
[10:32] <ubuntu> wait wait, wheres #deb
[10:32] <ubuntu> ?
[10:33] <MrKimm> ubuntu, do you have an e-mail where I could send the entire file? (then you can replace the entire thing)
[10:33] <ubuntu> Someone please just tell me how to get flash
[10:33] <ubuntu> sure
[10:33] <ubuntu> hydr0.m3ch4n1x@gmail.com
[10:33] <ubuntu_> hi ho
[10:33] <stdin> ubuntu: if you don't listen to people they can't help you
[10:33] <ubuntu> i am listening
[10:34] <stdin> sourcemaker: why do you think amarok has a leak?
[10:34] <waylandbill> ubuntu: use adept to install flashplayer-nonfree.
[10:35] <ubuntu> how do i install flash with adept
[10:35] <MrKimm> ubuntu, I've sent an e-mail with everything. Just replace the text in that file with everything in the mail (make sure there is an empty line at the end), then save and exit!
[10:35] <ubuntu> i got it, but how do i replace
[10:35] <MrKimm> waylandbill, he cant, he needs to activate more repositories
[10:35] <ubuntu> ?
[10:35] <MrKimm> ubuntu, just select everything and copy&paste
[10:35] <MrKimm> tell me when your done
[10:36] <ubuntu> select everything in the email?
[10:36] <MrKimm> yes
[10:36] <ubuntu> then where do i paste it
[10:36] <sourcemaker> after starting amarok... i have 700 MB less
[10:36] <MrKimm> ubuntu, paste it in the file you opened earlier
[10:36] <ubuntu> paste it in adept?
[10:37] <stdin> sourcemaker: hmm, you should definitely report that as a bug
[10:37] <MrKimm> ubuntu, no, wait... there has to be a guide somewhere on the internet on how to do this....
[10:37] <ubuntu> maybe..
[10:37] <ubuntu> hopefully lol
[10:37] <MrKimm> ubuntu, lol, its a bit complicated to explain over IRC
[10:38] <ubuntu> yeah it is
[10:38] <ubuntu> lol
[10:38] <sourcemaker> stdin: I think I know the linux memory management.... but the memory is free after closing amarok... okay... I have a large collection... but when i use xmms... everthink is fine....
[10:39] <ubuntu> can someone send me a link step by step to install flash player, i already have the install file on my desktop
[10:40] <MrKimm> ubuntu, I found a guide: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[10:40] <stdin> sourcemaker: either report that as a bug (as that's not acceptable for an app to hog 700MB) or ask on https://question.launchpad.net first and see if anyone has any suggestions.
[10:40] <sourcemaker> stdin: example: 1295868[total]     1253524[used]       42344[free] 
[10:40] <hydrogen> err
[10:40] <hydrogen> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:40] <hydrogen> don't deal with the manual installer at all
[10:40] <hydrogen> err
[10:40] <sourcemaker> stdin: okay... thanks for support
[10:40] <hydrogen> no
[10:40] <ubuntu> it didnt work b4
[10:41] <MrKimm> ubuntu, this was what I was trying to explain before: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[10:41] <MrKimm> ubuntu, you have to do that to install flash the easiest way...
[10:42] <ubuntu> ok
[10:42] <stdin> sourcemaker: it may be that if you have a very large collection you may need to switch to a mysql database from sqlite, but I'm not sure. the people who read those questions will know
[10:42] <ubuntu> ahh foirget
[10:42] <ubuntu> it
[10:43] <ubuntu> thanks for the help thoug h guys
[10:43] <ubuntu> ima just use win vista
[10:43] <MrKimm> oook... he gives up when he doesnt get flash to work xD
[10:43] <MrKimm> Although I supose I did make it seem a bit complicated...
[10:44] <hydrogen> flash is a worthless technology
[10:44] <MrKimm> hydrogen, true. But if you want to "experiance the webb" its practically essential
[10:45] <sourcemaker> stdin: Yes... I am using mysql as backend... but I also does not work very fine... loading the application taks very long... and sometimes it hangs and I have to kill the application... Using the sqlite is working... but slow and hog more memory
[10:45] <hydrogen> not at all true MrKimm
[10:45] <XboxUser> anyone know why everything in my kubuntu is erm, blurry? lol, text is blurry
[10:45] <sourcemaker> stdin: I have installed the last version available for festy
[10:45] <draik> How do I get the wireless card to be recognized?
[10:46] <draik> It's not listed in the Control Module for the network?
[10:46] <draik> ?=.
[10:47] <MrKimm> hydrogen, no? most websites use flash (mainly for adds though... so thats a pest =P), besides from forums and such. But for internet video and so on (You people and youtube... you know?) you need it
[10:47] <stdin> sourcemaker: also ask on http://amarok.kde.org/forum/ the amarok forum, and best place to ask about amarok #amarok
[10:47] <MrKimm> *young people
[10:48] <tuxd> what is the default file system for Kubuntu (Fiesty)
[10:48] <MrKimm> tuxd, ext3 :)
[10:49] <MrKimm> oh damn... forgot about Automatix... oh well <.<
[10:50] <tuxd> MrKimm: ext3 is the file system? I thought it would be like FAT32
[10:50] <TheBorg0815> hllo
[10:50] <jhutchins> tuxd: fat32 is not a linux filesystem.
[10:50] <dekc> hi can you help me transfre some files to another hdd?
[10:51] <MrKimm> tuxd, nope, ext3 is the filesystem. If you need to access your Linux disk in Windows, you need a third-party driver
[10:51] <dekc> hi can you help me transfre some files to another hdd?
[10:51] <tuxd> MrKimm: OK.  If I have files on an external Hard drive I want to bring to my linux machine (and the HD is FAT32) how would I do that?
[10:51] <TheBorg0815> hm German users hear _
[10:51] <jhutchins> dekc: Why would you need help?  Just copy the files.
[10:52] <dekc> i cant munt the second hdd
[10:52] <dekc> mount
[10:52] <MrKimm> tuxd, did you try just plugging it in? it usualy automounts and gives you an icon on the desktop. But I am kinda new to KDE (usualy use XFCE, sp I'm not enirely sure how it works here)
[10:53] <MrKimm> tuxd, Linux can read/write FAT32 without problems =)
[10:53] <dekc> i dont know how to mount it
[10:53] <tuxd> MrKimm: yeah, I'm new to Linux overall, but I want to kill my MS  : (
[10:53] <dekc> now i'm on master maxtor
[10:53] <dekc> i want to transfer to slave
[10:53] <dekc> but don't know how
[10:53] <sourcemaker> Any experience with KDE 4???
[10:54] <MrKimm> tuxd, you'll get the hang of it :) It doesnt take long to adapt
[10:54] <jhutchins> dekc: Does it show up in the bios?  Is it an IDE or what?
[10:54] <jhutchins> sourcemaker: No, that's beta.
[10:54] <dekc> it is ide
[10:54] <tuxd> MrKimm:  how do you kill a program?
[10:54] <stdin> sourcemaker: the beta2 is not worth the bandwidth, but the svn version is nice
[10:54] <jhutchins> dekc: Does it show up in the bios?
[10:54] <dekc> i've finished now to reinstall kubuntu
[10:54] <dekc> on it
[10:54] <dekc> and i want to pass my files
[10:54] <dekc> from the older
[10:55] <tuxd> MrKimm:  like in Windows, I would Cntrl+Alt+Delete to get Windows Task Manager.  What is like that in Linux?
[10:55] <MrKimm> tuxd, not sure how KDE does that again... but you can create a launcher on the panel or the desktop or somewhere that executes "xkill" then klick on the program that you want to kill
[10:55] <jhutchins> tuxd: ctrl-esc
[10:55] <draik> MrKimm: I second that. Linux is fairly easy to learn.
[10:55] <sourcemaker> stdin: It seems... that you are a real tux... How can I develop kde applications... or which tutorials can I read for developing application in KDE?
[10:56] <jhutchins> tuxd: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[10:56] <jhutchins> sourcemaker: #kde
[10:56] <MrKimm> tuxd, or you can follow jhutchins advice, I didnt know about that one...
[10:56] <dekc> how can i mount that hdd?
[10:56] <stdin> sourcemaker: see http://kde.org/getinvolved/development/ and hang out on #kde-devel
[10:57] <tuxd> MrKimm: thanks
[10:57] <sourcemaker> stdin: Thanks... you... so i will change the channel... bye bye
[10:57] <tuxd> jhutchins: thanks
[10:57] <stdin> sourcemaker: the key tools to developing in KDE is 1) learn C++, 2) learn Qt
[10:57] <MrKimm> tuxd, np :)
[10:57] <MrKimm> Well, gettin' kinda sleepy =) Cya all!
[10:58] <draik> How do I get my internal wireless card to read?
[10:58] <dekc> pls help me
[10:58] <dekc> i really need
[10:58] <dekc> to transfer all my files
[10:58] <draik> It's there in LSPCI and in the Network Configuration, but no matter how many times I hit "enable", it goes right back to disabled.
[10:58] <draik> dekc: What methods do you have available?
[10:59] <dekc> i have this hdd with all my files like 60-70GB and the new hdd with a fresh kubuntu install
[10:59] <dekc> and i want to pass all my files to it
[10:59] <draik> Can you plug in the HDD as a secondary?
[11:00] <dekc> it'a already plugged
[11:00] <dekc> as slave
[11:00] <draik> Then if it's there and has power, it should be seen. If not, you need to mount the drive
[11:01] <dekc> yeah right
[11:01] <dekc> but don't know how to mount
[11:01] <kreib> deck : is ti listed in  /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or something, cant you mount it
[11:01] <draik> kreib: I doubt hda. It may also be sda/b
[11:02] <jhutchins> sudo fdisk -l will list mountable devices.
[11:02] <dekc> how can i see what drives is avaible for mont?
[11:02] <dekc> thx
[11:02] <dekc> Disk /dev/hdb: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes
[11:02] <draik> How do I find out about enabling the wireless card?
[11:02] <dekc> i think is this
[11:02] <jhutchins> dekc: I would read the manpage for rsync and use that to make the copies.
[11:02] <dekc> so i have to do
[11:02] <kreib> just try mount it and see
[11:03] <jhutchins> draik: sudo lspci, find your chipset, look it up:
[11:03] <hydrogen> err
[11:03] <kreib> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/somedir
[11:03] <hydrogen> you can't mount a hard drive
[11:03] <dekc> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/mydisk ?
[11:03] <jhutchins> !wireless | draik
[11:03] <ubotu> draik: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:03] <hydrogen> you mount a partition
[11:03] <dekc> i try now
[11:03] <draik> jhutchins: FIRESIDE91 tried to help me. It seemed to work, but upon rebooting the wireless card was gone from the Network Manager list, but not LSPCI
[11:03] <dekc> thx again
[11:04] <dekc> waaaaaaaaait
[11:04] <jhutchins> draik: You may not have written an alias in the modules configuration files, again, the documentation is above.
[11:04] <dekc> /dev/hdb1               1       38640   310375768+  83  Linux
[11:04] <poison--> draik, u need to add it to boot
[11:04] <dekc> maybe its this????????'
[11:04] <hydrogen> yes
[11:04] <hydrogen> its that
[11:04] <dekc> ok
[11:04] <draik> Thank you jhutchins and poison--
[11:05] <dekc> yeesss
[11:05] <draik> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[11:05] <dekc> it worked
[11:05] <dekc> thx guys
[11:07] <poison--> sweet
[11:07] <dekc> i have to unmount the drive before reebooting??
[11:09] <stdin> dekc: linux will unmount all partitions/devices before powering off anyway
[11:23] <dekc> !mount
[11:23] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:24] <dekc> !fstab
[11:24] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:24] <dekc> !cedega
[11:24] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:26] <ubuntu> Allo
[11:28] <randal_> hmm installed Apache2 but cannot locate it now ... (installed using the Konsole) - so where would it have put it so I can config it??
[11:28] <ubuntu> randal_: config is always in /etc
[11:29] <randal_> erm ok - but where is the application 'Apache2' now located?
[11:29] <ubuntu> randal_: you want to start it?
[11:29] <randal_> Well eventually yes - :D
[11:30] <ubuntu> randal_: it should be started already but you can /etc/init.d/apache start/stop
[11:30] <randal_> in konsole right
[11:30] <ubuntu> Yep
[11:30] <lewix> how can I know the kernel and kubuntu version I'm using from the cmd
[11:31] <randal_> ok - so back to config - what do I type to get to the config?
[11:32] <ubuntu> lewix: lsb_release -a
[11:32] <ubuntu> or uname -r
[11:32] <randal_> I need to 'name' the site - put in content and work out how to have a share file there for .obj files
[11:33] <ubuntu> randal_: kdesu /etc/apache/ ,, Um something i forget :)
[11:33] <boubbin> how to install gnome from kubuntu ?
[11:33] <ubuntu> randal_: kdesu kate /etc/ sorru
[11:33] <ubuntu> boubbin: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <randal_> oh kate - ok makes sene.. :D
[11:34] <ubuntu> randal_: the content would be in /var/share/www I think
[11:34] <sredna> hi
[11:34] <sredna> what do i install to get gpgme in kubuntu?
[11:35] <ubuntu> !info gpgpme
[11:35] <ubotu> Package gpgpme does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:35] <ubuntu> !info gpgme
[11:35] <ubotu> Package gpgme does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:35] <ubuntu> !find gpgme
[11:35] <ubotu> Found: libgpgme11, libgpgme11-dev, libgpgme-dev, libgpgme-ruby, libgpgme-ruby1.8 (and 2 others)
[11:35] <sredna> there is supposed to be an executable
[11:35] <ubuntu> sredna: lobgpgpme11 it looks like
[11:36] <randal_> hmm quess I need to know the name of the file itself - Kate tells me that is a folder....
[11:36] <ubuntu> bjwebb: Hoorah! ask In #ubuntu+1 :-)
[11:36] <bjwebb> okies
[11:36] <poison--> is there anitin better than samba?
[11:36] <ubuntu> randal_: Yeah there is a file under there a .conf I'll bet
[11:36] <ubuntu> poison--: a what?
[11:36] <poison--> ?
[11:37] <randal_> I'll browse to it so I can see the name - then I'll add it to the command line...
[11:37] <poison--> smb=samba
[11:37] <poison--> starting to get really mad with it
[11:37] <poison--> !samba
[11:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:37] <ubuntu> randal_: You can tab complete
[11:37] <ubuntu> !tab | randal_
[11:37] <ubotu> randal_: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[11:38] <ubuntu> poison--: Right but I don't know what you are doing
[11:38] <ardchoille> poison--: Well, if you didn;t deal with a second-rate, piece of crap, OS wannabe.. you wouldn't need samba.
[11:40] <ubuntu> sredna: :-)
[11:40] <sredna> for the first time, i can now use S/MIMI signing or encryption with kmail
[11:41] <ubuntu> !@futurama
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about futurama - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <ubuntu> Liar
[11:41] <sredna> i can use my certificate issued by the danish gouverment
[11:41] <ubuntu> sredna: Gutsy?
[11:42] <randal_> hmm found it have opened in kate - but it's empty - hmm
[11:43] <randal_> !@apache2
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <ubuntu> !apache
[11:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:44] <ubuntu> gotta go
[11:44] <randal_> I'm using Fiesty
[11:46] <tekteen> Hi
[11:46] <tekteen> I need some help
[11:46] <tekteen> How do I get a script to boot another in a konsole window?
[11:46] <lewix> ubuntulog, unamer -r is for the kernel and lsb_release is for the dist
[11:47] <ardchoille> tekteen: You mean have one script launch another script?
[11:47] <tekteen> no
[11:47] <tekteen> ye
[11:47] <tekteen> yes
[11:47] <tekteen> I need to launch it in a konsole window
[11:48] <tekteen> for instence
[11:48] <ardchoille> tekteen: no idea
[11:48] <tekteen> cron can start a script but I want it run in a konsole window
[11:49] <tekteen> Do you at least know how to boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:49] <ardchoille> maybe "konsole -e sh /path/to/script.sh"  ?
[11:49] <ardchoille> tekteen: ^^
[11:49] <tekteen> I will try that
[11:49] <sea_4_ever`> G'aftanoo
[11:49] <ardchoille> hi sea_4_ever`
[11:50] <tekteen> how to boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:50] <ardchoille> tekteen: Boot a script on a cd automatically? I wouldn't even think about loading a cd with that on it.. unless it's a distro from a reputable source.
[11:50] <tekteen> how do you boot a script on a cd automaticaly
[11:51] <newsense07> !hi | sea_4_ever`
[11:51] <ubotu> sea_4_ever`: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:51] <tekteen> It is for a project
[11:51] <ardchoille> No idea
[11:51] <tekteen> I have "domb" people who need to install many packages easily
[11:52] <ardchoille> tekteen: I would think you have to make the cd bootable, and then it would happen.. but I don't know how to do that
[11:52] <tekteen> no
[11:52] <tekteen> boot a script when inserted in kubuntu
[11:52] <ardchoille> yes, you need to make the cd bootable first.
[11:52] <tekteen> Bootable is only for the bios
[11:53] <tekteen> starting OS's
[11:53] <tekteen> Thanks for the help though
[11:53] <ardchoille> ok tekteen, whatever you say.
[11:53] <tekteen> I have worked with it before
[11:56] <elvin_> oooooooh!!!
[11:57] <elvin_> !
[12:00] <ardchoille> ok, no more caffeine for elvin_
[12:12] <draik> I can't get administrator access into the Login Manager. The password prompt never comes up.
[12:12] <draik> Any way around this?
[12:13] <stdin> don't login as root, use sudo to run commands as root
[12:13] <draik> I'm not logging in as root
[12:13] <scheater6> If you are trying to launch it graphically, first try to run in a terminal, and if that works verify the command for the shortcut is correct
[12:13] <draik> What is the command to run the login manager?
[12:14] <stdin> draik: what do you mean you can't get administrator access to it then?
[12:14] <scheater6> stdin: I think he means he tries to launch it graphically, but kdesu never comes up
[12:15] <draik> I'm logged in as a user. I go to K Menu > System Settings > Advanced tab > Login Manager
[12:15] <ardchoille> draik: click on the Administrator button at the bottom
[12:15] <draik> When I click on Administrator Mode at the bottom, it gets a red border and no prompt for the password
[12:15] <draik> ardchoille: ^^^
[12:15] <ardchoille> draik: Oh, ok.
[12:16] <scheater6> I've occasionally had the same trouble with system settings, which is why I still use kcontrol.
[12:17] <draik> scheater6: kdesu kcontrol
[12:17] <draik> AH
[12:17] <draik> Just got it
[12:17] <scheater6> that's precisely how I do it these days, and I was just about to recommend draik do "kdesu systemsettings"
[12:18] <draik> Thank you
[12:18] <scheater6> draik: actually, I take that back.  I don't have to issue kdesu on kcontrol because it properly handles launching kdesu when I ask for administrator mode
[12:19] <bjwebb> :S
[12:19] <draik> Thank you all for your help
[12:20] <BluesKaj> draik, ardchoille , usually if you do a : sudo dpkg --configure -a and relogin , admin permission is restored
[12:20] <draik> This channel always has the answers
[12:20] <bjwebb> anyone think they could help?
[12:20] <bjwebb> /dev/sda6, size:2.93GB, used space:13.37GB
[12:21] <bjwebb> :S
[12:21] <bjwebb> how does that happen?
[12:22] <ardchoille> bjwebb: Wow, it only has about 3Gb and you're using 13Gb of it? Can you teach me how to do that? lol
[12:22] <bjwebb> ardchoille: :S
[12:23] <bjwebb> its a partition, so presumeably its running over
[12:23] <bjwebb> actually its my home partition
[12:23] <bjwebb> the one after it should be really small, but isn't
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> bjwebb: what seems to be the issue
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: it can get reported that way if there were errors
[12:34] <bjwebb> WaltzingAlong: well the partitions, they're saying funny sizes
[12:35] <bjwebb> and i want to make a new one without "harming" them
[12:35] <oru> hi
[12:35] <ardchoille> bjwebb: If there were errors, I don't think I'd use those partitions due to being unreliable.
[12:36] <ardchoille> Sounds like you'd end up with corrupted files
[12:36] <bjwebb> ardchoille: but they're the partitions ive been using for the last 6 months!
[12:37] <ardchoille> o.O
[12:38] <ardchoille> bjwebb: what does df show for /dev/sda6 ?
[12:39] <bjwebb> df?
[12:39] <ardchoille> open a term and type: df
[12:39] <ardchoille> df - report file system disk space usage
[12:39] <bjwebb> ardchoille: its not there, but it isn't mounted
[12:40] <bjwebb> shall i mount and then try?
[12:40] <ardchoille> yes
[12:41] <bjwebb> 12583672  14200496  47%
[12:42] <bjwebb> used, availible, %
[12:43] <ardchoille> Seems to be correct
[12:43] <bjwebb> hmmm
[12:43] <ardchoille> bjwebb: How did you get your previous reading?
 /dev/sda6, size:2.93GB, used space:13.37GB
[12:43] <bjwebb> ardchoille: from qtparted
[12:44] <ardchoille> I think I would trust df before I trusted qtparted
[12:44] <bjwebb> ardchoille: yeah
[12:44] <bjwebb> but i was gonna use qtparted to do some partitions
[12:44] <bjwebb> s/s/ing
[12:44] <bjwebb> im not so sure now
[12:45] <ardchoille> bjwebb: iirc, qtparted is just a front end for parted, mkfs and others
[12:46] <bjwebb> ardchoille: yeah, so does that mean that qparted would be as good as anything?
[12:46] <dappermuis> since we're talking about parted - anybody know why gparte dis capable of modifying existing ext3 partitions but qtparted is not?
[12:47] <ardchoille> bjwebb: When a front end seems to have errors, I usually go to the back end apps and see if they have the same errors. If they don't, I use them instead of the front end.
[12:47] <ardchoille> dappermuis: Silly question, but are you running gparted with admin privs?
[12:48] <bjwebb> ardchoille: im not too hot on how to use parted
[12:48] <dappermuis> ardchoille, i'm not doing anything at the moment - but in the past when i've needed to shrink ext3 partitions i would boot the kubuntu live disc which has qtparted on it and it wouldn't work
[12:48] <dappermuis> then i'd boot gparted and it would
[12:48] <dappermuis> gparted live disk that is
[12:48] <randal_> Ok - look at this and then help me understand why my site can't be found on other computers?
[12:49] <ardchoille> dappermuis, bjwebb: yes, lots of folks have said that qtparted doesn't work as well as some other ui's.
[12:49] <randal_> * Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...                             [ OK ]