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[10:05] bigjools: this is a specially crafted fakesync, which I'm actually not supposed to do, because ubuntu-archive has hand-crafted scripts for this [10:05] bigjools: in this particular case, seb128 asked me to do it this way, because according to him that script was failing because the orig.tar.gz was in a PPA [10:05] bigjools: I don't know how seb128 comes to this conclusion [10:05] ok [10:06] thanks for the background === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@delegate.plus.com] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === CoD_FSFE [n=cod@host-84-222-66-183.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #launchpad [10:55] siretart: I tested that theory and it looks wrong [10:56] bigjools: okay. But you could confirm the problem then? [10:56] siretart: it would be good if you could try uploading the same package to dogfood so we can rule out a packaging error [10:56] siretart: I've not re-created this yet === CoD_FSFE [n=cod@host-84-222-66-183.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [10:56] bigjools: sure. which host? [10:56] mawson.canonical.com [10:57] bigjools: uploaded [10:57] siretart: thanks I will take a look [10:59] bigjools: just received another reject message from "archive@ubuntu.com" [10:59] siretart: same error? [10:59] bigjools: no, this time I get this one: [10:59] Rejected: [10:59] Signing key 709F54E4ECF3195623326AE3F82E5CC04B2B2B9E not registered in launchpad. [10:59] Sourceful upload without a .dsc [11:00] Unable to find the dsc file in the sourceful upload? [11:00] darn it [11:00] oh wait [11:00] there is indeed something fishy here === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad [11:01] the changes file is signed by me, but I kept the signature on the dsc file from the debian maintainer [11:01] maybe this is a problem? [11:02] however it is still strange that I get a different error message for the same upload [11:03] siretart: yes dogfood is slightly behind production, it's our testing ground [11:04] please tell me if you need another upload, or if I should resign the dsc file [11:05] can you resign it please [11:05] and upload to dogfood or production? [11:05] (sorry if I seem vacant, I am addressing another production issue at the same time) [11:05] upload to dogfood again [11:05] I want to see if we can reprpoduce the same error there === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.65.32.75] has joined #launchpad [11:10] reuploaded to dogfood === CoD_FSFE [n=cod@host-84-222-66-183.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #launchpad [11:13] hello, I have a nooooobish question to ask about launchpad.... :) [11:14] siretart: thanks, I'll take a look, assuming it didn't get rejected? [11:15] CoD_FSFE: first rule of asking questions - just ask them :P [11:15] bigjools: no idea, becuase I didn't receive any message. [11:15] siretart: ok it was probably accepted then [11:15] lol ok: I'm the itlaina translator of the game scourge, now we have a new contributor but his translations need review before being submitted. [11:15] *italian [11:16] I think we should create a group and add me as italian translator and leave him as a contributor... am I right? [11:18] I'm not sure about the difference between teams and groups and how to create them: waht we need is a sort of "translator in charge" who should check contirbutions before merging them in the main po file [11:18] carlos, danilos: I asked you some days ago about the missing kmplayer.mo in the langpacks... [11:19] carlos, danilos: Even in the latest langpacks it is not included, although it has a template in Rosetta... [11:19] let me see... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [11:20] carlos: Btw. shouldn't there be a translations file for restricted manager and aport in the lanmgpacks for Kubuntu too? [11:21] restricted manager has a problem I need to look into [11:21] about apport... no idea, that's something to discuss with Martin Pitt [11:21] he does the split [11:23] so is there anyone who can tell me how to create team/group and if this is what we need to manage contributions? [11:24] [11:24] siretart: it was ok in dogfood. I think we need to wait for cprov to arrive and he'll be able to help further. [11:24] carlos: Thanks, I'll ask him. And this kmplayer issue? [11:24] CoD_FSFE: file a support ticket at answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/, and we'll help you with that [11:25] ok thanks [11:25] bigjools: ok. I see === doko [n=doko@161.116.111.2] has joined #launchpad [11:25] siretart: sorry I can't help further at the moment :( [11:25] bigjools: normally, I woudl file a bug against soyuz, but I'm not sure how to describe the problem in a way that helps you to find the problem === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-243-220.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [11:27] siretart: file it as best as you can please so we can track the issue [11:28] I'll paste this irc query [11:28] thanks [11:29] Kuhrscher: hmm, indeed, there is a problem with it [11:29] Kuhrscher: could you file a bug report? I don't see any reason it's not being exported [11:29] I already did... [11:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123544 [11:30] Launchpad bug 123544 in kmplayer "Kmplayer Package does not contain translations" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:31] field as bug #141457 [11:31] Launchpad bug 141457 in soyuz "upload rejected because of appearantly missing orig.tar.gz (which is uploaded)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141457 [11:31] The bug title is a little bit misleading at the moment ... [11:31] /part === CoD_FSFE [n=cod@host-84-222-66-183.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [11:32] Kuhrscher: oh, wait! [11:33] if it was moved from universe to main, the problem will be fixed once we do a new full language pack update for Gutsy [11:33] thanks siretart [11:33] carlos: But we have to do this manually, right? [11:34] that's something we will do at some point soon, maybe right before the beta release (to reduce the CD usage) [11:34] I will need to check with Martin Pitt [11:35] Ok, thanks. [11:35] carlos: Btw. how long does it usually take until a new template is approved for Rosetta? [11:35] if it was already approved, it's a matter of hours [11:36] if it's the first time we see it, it depends on us taking a look to the list of templates pending to be approved [11:36] we do that from time to time [11:36] I'm asking because kdesudo awaits approval for some days now... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [11:36] A I wondered if we just have to wait or if there is any problem... [11:37] no, is just that we didn't manually approve it yet (it's a new one) [11:37] Ok, so I'll be just patient. Thanks. [11:40] New bug: #141457 in soyuz "upload rejected because of appearantly missing orig.tar.gz (which is uploaded)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141457 === gmb [n=gmb@host86-145-194-95.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === daub [n=daub@91.64.219.62] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [11:49] hi [11:49] can a launchpad product be renamed? [11:49] hi [11:51] I'm pretty sure it can, though I haven't tried [11:52] Is it a product you registered? [11:52] seb128: If you file a request in Launchpad Answers I think Tom will be able to take a look. [11:52] what is "Launchpad Answers"? [11:53] jtv: no, it's control-center which has been renamed to gnome-control-center upstream and in Ubuntu [11:53] ah, then... what mrevell said [11:53] seb128: Sorry, I'll get you the URL. The Answer tracker. [11:54] mrevell: I don't want to ask an user question [11:54] "Answers" is one of the apps in Launchpad, just like Bugs or Translations [11:54] right, that used to be called "support tracker" no? [11:54] seb128: that's the ticket system we use for this kind of requests [11:54] that's where we redirect users who file bugs without knowing what they are doing [11:54] seb128: We use Launchpad Answers to track requests such as that but the general use is for user support. [11:54] hum, k [11:54] seb128: Our use is, perhaps, atypical. [11:54] seb128: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [11:54] Ah, thanks carlos [11:55] np [11:55] I don't want to "ask a question" [11:55] :p [11:55] k, will use that [11:55] seb128: If it makes you feel better, you can email help@launchpad.net, but then I'll just file a request in the Answer Tracker :-) [11:55] seb128: 'Pretty please, could you rename control-center to gnome-control-center?' [11:55] seb128: that's a question for me :-P [11:57] carlos: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/13771 [11:57] seb128: thanks ;-) [11:57] carlos, mrevell: thank you guys for pointing me to the right place ;) [11:58] seb128: I'll put something on the help wiki so other people know what to do. Thanks. [11:59] carlos: how is rosetta handling the GNOME 2.20 massive upload btw? ;) [11:59] seb128: well, we had a day of delay... and we have now three days of delay :-( [11:59] other than that... [11:59] carlos: do you have an estimation of when the 2.20 translations will be language packs? [12:00] I just planned with Martin a full language pack update for Gutsy's beta [12:00] so either I wait until all files are imported [12:00] right [12:00] or we will generate it later today [12:00] and I would like to get 2.20 translations in this export [12:01] let's move that to #ubuntu-devel [12:01] please, talk with pitti to see whether we have enough time to wait for it [12:01] sure === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [12:06] New bug: #141461 in rosetta "Automatic string in translator-credits could not be translate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141461 [12:13] carlos: re: tracker translations... we fixed bug 133555, could you check that the templates are now there, and if yes, accept it? thanks [12:13] Launchpad bug 133555 in tracker "Tracker does not include any translations" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133555 - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128) [12:14] sure, let me check... [12:15] pochu: I already approved it [12:15] it's just waiting to be imported [12:15] I hope it will be done later today [12:17] carlos: cool, thanks a lot [12:18] np === intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-2dd5686d0ad4c831] has joined #launchpad === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has joined #launchpad === Etapien [i=darn@72.20.3.66] has joined #launchpad === Ng_ [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad [01:23] how can I change the email address I get notifications from launchpad? can't find that anywhere [01:23] meaning.. my launchpad account email address. [01:24] Etapien: launchpad.net/~you/+editmails [01:25] Thank you. === Ng_ [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has left #launchpad [] === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #launchpad [01:48] why are 1.1.9 released and we still come to edge ? [01:49] Kmos, you will always come to edge. the redirect is always on -- that way you always enjoy the most recent code. [01:50] kiko: but when it's released, we don't come back ? [01:52] Kmos, edge is always ahead of tip [01:52] err [01:54] kiko: yes.. but I open launchpad.net and it continues to redirect to edge === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [01:55] after release, that's disabled right [01:55] ? [01:55] no. [01:55] why would it be disabled? work continues on trunk, and edge moves ahead daily. [01:55] bazaar.launchpad.net and codebrowse.launchpad.net are going down for emergency maintenance, ETD is 10 minutes === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [01:56] kiko: ok =) [01:56] thanks elmm [01:56] elmo === Ng_ is now known as Ng [02:05] bazaar.launchpad.net and codebrowse.launchpad.net are back === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-163-194-205.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:13] elmo: wow, ten minutes later as estimated :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has left #launchpad [] === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@delegate.plus.com] has joined #launchpad === radhios [n=radhios@unaffiliated/radhios] has joined #launchpad === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad [02:58] wow, guys! [02:59] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase and such looks great! === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:01] sabdfl, ^^^ :) [03:02] win 4 [03:02] gah.. [03:03] yeah, that is nice === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.105.31] has joined #launchpad [03:06] kiko: :) [03:06] it was mark's handiwork :) [03:08] kiko: right, then i wont tell sabdfl that there's a guy whining about all the things it lacks, then. [03:08] Can KDE ever look "great"? [03:09] Daviey: yes. [03:10] kiko: bug 124298 [03:10] Launchpad bug 124298 in soyuz "Changelog link at (source) to check last modifications" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124298 [03:10] New bug: #141499 in launchpad "Include top referer along with 404 OOPS items" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141499 [03:11] this one can be closed [03:11] the new +source was great [03:12] thanks Kmos [03:12] kiko: i'm told that backports versions look strange in there. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@161.116.111.2] has joined #launchpad === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [03:39] Hobbsee: hi, do you have an example of "backports are weird in ubuntu/+source" page ? === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #launchpad [03:40] cprov: http://rafb.net/p/xha1DF43.html was the full log [03:41] Hobbsee: thanks === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === EdwinGrubbs [n=edwin@cpe-66-25-92-150.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [03:45] New bug: #141512 in launchpad "Needing a method to insert URL to the "main" launchpad page for the context" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141512 [03:49] Hobbsee: I'm filing bugs now. [03:50] New bug: #141513 in launchpad "Publishing History page links to itself and not to main package page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141513 === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [03:55] New bug: #141514 in launchpad "New source package page does not show all release pockets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141514 === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.professional.rinchen] has joined #launchpad === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [04:07] In unrelated news, I'm curious if LP supports (or has plans for) the supporting the Hompage field in debian/control: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070920.050504.e67f1303.en.html [04:09] ScottK, hmmm, interesting question. [04:10] Although it's not policy yet, I've seen that DD's are starting to use the field. [04:10] FYI. [04:10] Hobbsee: i'm happy to get feedback on that page [04:11] that first cut was a quick attempt to make the UI vaguely useful, there's plenty of room for improvement and i'd like to get a copy of the whining :-) [04:13] sabdfl: I'm the whiner. [04:13] It's in the log that Hobbsee linked to above. [04:14] sabdfl: the log is ^ [04:14] I've also filed bugs. [04:16] ScottK, kiko: that (the homepage thing) has been done in Ubuntu too for some time [04:17] ScottK: but dpkg will need to be upgraded to 1.14.6, right? [04:17] pochu: This is (I'm pretty sure) a different one. [04:17] slytherin: So I understand. We'll get to that eventually. [04:18] I thought it worth a mention now so it could be planned for. [04:18] ScottK: oh, not the two-spaces-Homepage: in description? === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [04:18] pochu: No. Any actual field for it in debian/control. [04:18] Any/an [04:18] ScottK: FUBAR would be an exaggeration [04:19] sabdfl: You're right. I am prone to exaggeration to make a point. [04:19] ScottK: I am not a developer but I think it is a good idea. [04:19] ScottK: oh, sorry then === pochu hides [04:19] ScottK: the only point that consistently makes is that one is prone to exaggeration ;-) [04:19] so, you want to see the per-pocket currently-published version? [04:19] sabdfl: My initial reaction to page is that it is significantly less useful to me as a MOTU than the old one. [04:20] you found the old one, though? [04:20] sabdfl: It's necessary to understand the state of the archive and what needs to be worked on. [04:20] Yes. [04:20] how would you define "what needs to be worked on"? [04:20] New bug: #141517 in malone "Version History is often incomplete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141517 [04:20] ScottK: incidently, i found the opposite. [04:20] danilos: hi, around? [04:20] Sure. Opinions will vary. [04:20] ScottK: i supsect hte difference is that you care about the non-development release, whereas i dont. [04:20] i'm trying to understand what you are looking for, so i can make sure that info is readily available === Hobbsee has good typing today! not! [04:21] *most* folks say they want to see the change history there [04:21] but defining the "change history" is tricky, when you look at the distro level === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [04:21] First, if a changelog type history is going to be presented, it should be complete and correct. [04:21] - you have changes in different releases, and pockets, interwoven [04:21] The current instantiation is neither. [04:21] - you also have people revising history (i.e. changing the changelog entries for previous versions in the changelog of later versions) [04:22] I think that presenting incomplete information is often worse than presenting none. [04:22] so, complete and correct would also be totally overwhelming in the usual case [04:22] People's opinion's will vary on that. [04:22] that's of course true [04:22] i am happy to evolve that page with tweaks to make it better, but i think most people prefer this as a starting point to the previous version [04:23] the detailed publishing history is still there [04:23] would you like to see a "what's published NOW" summary at the top of the publishing history page? === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has left #launchpad [] [04:23] i.e. [04:23] edgy-release 4.6.35-0ubuntu5 [04:23] Would it be possible to get someone to remove a package from my PPA? [04:24] edgy-security 4.6.25-0ubuntu6 [04:24] tgm4883: definitely, if you can wait a month or so, that someone could be you :-) [04:24] sabdfl: I think if you could take the old summary and add the new changes stuff under it, it would be much better. [04:24] heh, thats whaat I was afraid of [04:24] sounds good though if thats my option [04:25] The new summary at the top with only the most recent version per release is just too much summation. [04:25] tgm4883: yes, i think that's best rather than taking DBA time [04:25] sabdfl: i would be of the opinion that you could do a dropdown from the summary of releases or something, starting with the development one at the top [04:26] sabdfl: Particulary if there is a backports version. That should be shown separately. [04:26] ScottK: the real intent of that is to show linkages to upstream series [04:26] ok will do [04:26] that is SUPPOSED to show mappings to upstream major version branches [04:26] sabdfl: why, though? does anyone actually use that? [04:26] sabdfl: Do you have an example where that's actually filled out and useful? [04:26] sabdfl: i dont think people understand major version branches, so they dont use it. [04:26] i certainly dont. [04:26] So far I haven't found a package where that had anything? [04:27] it's not widely used now, but if we can make it easier to use I think it will help [04:27] - pass translations back [04:27] - pull new translations in directly from upstream VCS [04:27] - map bugs to relevant upstream versions [04:27] ScottK: kdebase does, but the info is wrong. [04:27] sabdfl: Then I would say it should't be the default U/I until it's actually useful. [04:27] ScottK: and i havent attempted to deal with the great *mess* of upstream bugs, etc. [04:27] kiko: ping [04:27] - identify packages where upstream has new code and we could update the package === Hobbsee can never work that lot out, so avoids it as much as possible. [04:28] As it is, you are hiding the information I use every day as an Ubuntu dev in favor of something that may be useful at some point in the future. [04:28] ScottK: hmm.. i'm not hiding it, the old page is (deliberately for this very case) still there [04:28] sabdfl: Could that be done from watch files? [04:29] ScottK: we are hoping it will be done against upstream version control, which is one better [04:29] sabdfl: It's a link further away than it used to be. [04:29] sabdfl: I'd say that the one you have is better [04:29] I think debian/watch is a lot more common. [04:29] ScottK: tell me again what you mean by "see what needs to be worked on" [04:30] I'd suggest use debian/watch where you have no VCS information. === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [04:30] sabdfl: It varies, but I do a lot of work with *-backports, *-proposed, *-updates, and *-security in the current releases. [04:31] cprov: hey there! [04:31] Often it's complex to understand (particularly when one is looking at a security update) which versions need to be addressed. [04:31] cprov: have you seen the problems regarding the live-initramfs upload? [04:31] what do you mean by "do work with"? are you for example checking to see which releases need updating when a security issue is identified? [04:32] I expect that Hobbsee and I will have substantially different perspectives as I spend a lot more time working on the releases. [04:32] sabdfl: That's one example. Yes. [04:32] by working on the releases, you mean working on things like edgy, feisty? [04:32] i.e. adding backports, or proposed, or security? [04:32] It can get tricky as I've had pending SRU's in proposed that also needed the security fix. [04:32] Yes [04:33] ok [04:33] i think what you want is something that shows the every version of a given package published in any pocket [04:33] Similarly when triaging bugs it can be hard to know exactly what version of a package someone might be using without the full history in front of you. [04:34] reading the log, it seems that's what you want [04:34] sabdfl: Yes. Which is what I had up until today. [04:34] kiko: I just sent you an email about the patch you asked me. I really need to go right now [04:34] wel, you also had a lot of removed versions to filter through [04:34] siretart: yes, I did, but I'm not sure you understood what is exactly wrong. [04:34] sabdfl: Yes, but that's trivial to do. [04:34] kiko: will be back in around 4 hours to handle any review comments and merge that branch === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [04:35] ScottK: you either have triviality finding the latest versions, as we have now, or you have triviality finding what you want. [04:35] ScottK: i could put that on the front page with pleasure, if you promise not to exaggerate when you are giving me constructive feedback in future ;-) === Fujitsu thinks that adding a pocket column after the series one, and splitting each series row into one for each pocket from the column on, would work. === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [04:35] Hobbsee: Yes, but the "latest versions" we have now aren't always the latest. [04:36] sabdfl: I'll promise to work on that. [04:36] okdokey [04:36] siretart: we do have a problem with our sync-source tool (which erroneously consider a PPA orig file as a already published ubuntu file). However, a new upload of the source directly to the primary ubuntu archive (including the orig) should work fine. [04:36] ScottK: they mostly are. i thnk [04:36] i'll try get to it this weekend, and if I do, it will show up on edge.lp.net some time next week [04:36] Hobbsee: Backports is a big problem in my opinion. They are not an official Ubuntu release. [04:37] ScottK: so just throw out the backports. they're full of crack anyway, see !jdong. === Hobbsee ducks [04:37] Hobbsee: I agree there are lots of crackful backports. I've been working on making them less so. [04:37] ScottK: as for the PPA-closing-bugs, that's a bug of course, which the beta program was designed to find [04:38] sabdfl: The problem is that it was closing live bugs. [04:38] i think backports are very useful indeed [04:38] ScottK: yes, that's what happens on a real beta with real data :-) [04:38] I agree that they are useful (and I am one of the ubuntu-backporters), but they need to be listed separately. [04:39] sabdfl: there are some mighty big beta bugs, though - that should have been picked up long before this point, imo - it's quite public now still. [04:39] (but i'm aware that we cant change this now) [04:39] listed separately? [04:39] sabdfl: As an outsider, that one just seemed so obvious, especially considering there was already an outstanding bug against *-proposed closing bug. [04:39] sabdfl: In your current U/I if the most recent version is a backports version, that's all that gets listed. [04:40] Since backports aren't enabled by default (for good reason), that really isn't appropriate IMO. [04:40] i didn't realise that -backports was being listed in there too [04:40] interesting [04:40] Here's an example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyspf [04:40] Look at Edgy === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad [04:41] Hm, some linkiness might be nice there, too. [04:43] sabdfl: It is my opinion (and it's an outside users opinion, so it may be completely wrong) that LP is leaning to heavily into getting features out the door and not doing enough really thinking them through first. It's a balance that I know is hard to get right. [04:43] Both the -backports issue here and the PPA closing bugs issues are ones that I think additional design and thought could/should have caught. === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT] has joined #launchpad [04:48] well, ppa is a huge change, it's expected that it have some bugs, and the beta is designed to catch those before it goes wild [04:48] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=New&field.status%3Alist=Incomplete&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=& [04:48] fwiw, that ppa closing bugs bug is fixed now [04:49] bigjools: That's good to hear. [04:49] How about *-proposed? [04:49] ScottK: fixed, too [04:49] Good. [04:51] it's unfortunate that bugs like that creep in, but us developers are only human and as sabdfl says, the beta phase is designed to catch this sort of thing === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad [04:51] cprov: and the version number bugs? *g* [04:53] Hobbsee: PPA version consistency depends of sorting auto-overrides properly, as mentioned in the bug report, it will get fixed during 1.1.10 (or ASAP). [04:53] cprov: yay! :) === dpm [n=dpm@p54A137B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad [04:54] cprov: FWIW, i think kiko's idea was fairly good - about sending everything to universe by default. [04:54] Hobbsee: I should have said 'we', bigjools is also in this *boat* ;) [04:54] bigjools: As I said, design effort versus will bugfix it before release is a difficult balance. I have my opinion on it, but it's not my project. [04:55] cprov: ahhh === Hobbsee kicks launchpad [04:57] mrevell: that seems to be reproducible, btw (login to edge, and it doesnt show you as logged in the first time) [04:57] Hobbsee: yes, PPAs are very tied to 'universe' component and it should work very well, IMO too. [04:57] second time lucky. [04:59] Could anyone tell me when are the launchpad translations synched with the gnome translations? are there going to be any several syncronisations (i.e. after the 2.20 and 2.20.1 releases)? [04:59] s/any// [04:59] could anybody explain me why bug 134567 is really a bug? [04:59] Launchpad bug 134567 in soyuz "having a debian/copyright should not be a requirement" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134567 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [05:00] I mean, why debian/copyright shouldn't be a requirement? If it's going to be downloadable by anyone, it should have the copyright holders in the deb package... [05:02] pochu: sometimes the copyright information is not in debian/copyright in the source package [05:02] pochu: some deb packages generate binary copyrights (this bit is required) dynamically based on a source template. [05:02] pochu: there's already a requirement that it be in /usr/share/doc/$package/copyright for binary packages [05:04] oh, so basically it has to have a copyright, either from debian/copyright or from another place (e.g. the template) ? === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [05:05] Hobbsee: Sorry, gotta read up, was making a cup of tea [05:05] mrevell: you and tea... :) [05:05] Hobbsee: It powers my working day :) [05:06] mrevell: i pity those of us who dont drink tea then [05:08] Hobbsee: Every time you log into edge it fails to recognise you the first time? [05:08] The British Empire was founded on tea. And look what happened to that. [05:09] mrevell: after iv'e cleared cookies, yes. [05:09] bigjools: yes, you were stupid enough to send your convicts out here. [05:09] bigjools: and just look at who has the better weather! [05:09] Hobbsee: yeah we screwed that one up, should left the convicts in London and shipped ourselves out there :) [05:10] The convicts seem to have done rather well on multiple continents. [05:10] Hobbsee: where do you live? [05:10] bigjools: as in, city or country? [05:10] city [05:10] ah. sydney. === bigjools likes Sydney [05:11] sydney is nice, modulo traffic, and modulo APEC. [05:11] but, it's what, 1am there? Don't you ever sleep? :) [05:11] er, and modulo housing prices. [05:11] bigjools: i do. my sleep cycle is still shot. [05:11] bigjools: i blame ubuntu. [05:11] and work. [05:11] same thing for me :) [05:15] Hobbsee: Any chance you could file a bug? [05:15] mrevell: about the edge logins? [05:16] Hobbsee: Yeah, I could do it if you like but it's gonna be more, erm, authentic if you do it. [05:16] mrevell: authentic how? [05:16] As in from an actual user, I'd expect. [05:17] Hobbsee: I haven't been able to replicate the problem, so if I report it I'm just going to ask you, "What happened?" and then use your words :) [05:17] mrevell: ah right === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [05:17] Hobbsee: what browser are you using? [05:17] mrevell: so even if you clear your cookies/browsing history, you dont get it? [05:17] mrevell: firefox! [05:17] must...have....firefox..... [05:19]