[01:21] <gnomefreak> CountX: you may or may not but im betting its installed
[01:21] <CountX> poo, im going to need wireless on saturday
[01:21] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: i didnt see it
[01:21] <Balaams_Miracle> gnomefreak: Shall i repeat it?
[01:21] <CountX> gnomefreak: none of the wireless i use has any encryption/password
[01:22] <gnomefreak> CountX: once we are done with it the archive admins have to push it but again we are frozen from uploads atm unless a good reason/showstopper
[01:22] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: please
[01:22] <Balaams_Miracle> Gutsy problem: I've just moved from Xubuntu to Ubuntu using the 'Mark packages by task' feature in Synaptic (i know, not recommended). Now i wanted to try out these desktop effects i've been hearing so much about, but it refuses to cooperate. Here're the errors it throws: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38045/  Anyone know how to solve this? Is this a known problem or is it something i did?
[01:22] <CountX> okay...
[01:22] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: what video card
[01:22] <CountX> why are you frozen?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> for release of beta
[01:22] <CountX> too many drugs
[01:22] <CountX> i had a trip like that
[01:23] <CountX> it was some weird plant
[01:23] <CountX> uhhh....
[01:23] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: go into sound set up and uncheck esd
[01:23] <Balaams_Miracle> nVidIa 6100
[01:23] <CountX> it was salvia
[01:23] <Balaams_Miracle> gnomefreak: Esd can kill compiz?
[01:23] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: remove the nvidia drivers and install them with restricted-manager please
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: no but one error at a time please so we know if they are related but doesnt look like it
[01:24] <Balaams_Miracle> They were already insatalled with the restricted manager
[01:24] <gnomefreak> ok
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: you shouldnt need xgl for that card, what drivers are you using?
[01:24] <gnomefreak> nevermind
[01:25] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: are you up to date?
[01:25] <CountX> gnomefreak: what kinda games do linux gamers game?
[01:25] <CountX> !games
[01:25] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[01:25] <gnomefreak> CountX: dont know i have too much damn work in front of me to worry about gaming
[01:25] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: you here or just kind of in and out?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> this is strange
[01:26] <Balaams_Miracle> gnomefreak: yes, i'm as up-to-date as the repo's were about 3 hours ago :-)
[01:26] <gnomefreak> makes me think he doesnt have latest packages
[01:26] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: just got back
[01:26] <Balaams_Miracle> CountX: I'm partial to Tremulous
[01:26] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: wanna see something strange?
[01:26] <Amaranth> Not really
[01:26] <gnomefreak> atleast to me
[01:27] <Amaranth> If you have a compiz problem give me your video card's pciid
[01:27] <Amaranth> I'll make the problem go away
[01:27] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38045/
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: its there
[01:27] <gnomefreak> its not mine though
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: is the one with the issue
[01:27] <Amaranth> ah, in that case no problem
[01:27] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: when people have problems we know are hardware/driver we've just been blacklisting their pciid :)
[01:27] <gnomefreak> it looks like a res issue but compiz should handle that res
[01:28] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:28] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: the card can't handle that resolution
[01:28] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:28] <Amaranth> The problem is obvious
[01:28] <Amaranth> Read it :)
[01:28] <gnomefreak> 6100 i would have thought could
[01:28] <gnomefreak> i did
[01:28] <gnomefreak> but 6100 should handle it
[01:28] <gnomefreak> i thought
[01:28] <Amaranth> Comparing resolution (1280x1024) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[01:28] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: change your screen res
[01:28] <Amaranth> The card is reporting a 512x512 max texture size
[01:29] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[01:29] <Amaranth> He cannot get a screen resolution that low
[01:29] <gnomefreak> thats huge
[01:29] <gnomefreak> your right, so this is why we blacklist them?
[01:29] <Amaranth> no
[01:29] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:29] <Amaranth> no need for blacklist
[01:29] <Amaranth> blacklist is when it passes the checks and can run compiz but has driver/hardware issues
[01:29] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:29] <Amaranth> like the rv350 and the i965
[01:29] <Balaams_Miracle> Would more mem solve the problem, or is that unrelated (it's shared mem, so i should be able to add some)
[01:30] <gnomefreak> ummm i just saw something about the i965 not having compiz enabled
[01:30] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: nvidia max texture size should be 4096x4096
[01:30] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: that's by design
[01:30] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw
[01:31] <Balaams_Miracle> Amaranth: So... any idea why my card throws a fit?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> 19:30 <        Amaranth > Balaams_Miracle: nvidia max texture size should be  4096x4096
[01:31] <gnomefreak> yours is looking for 512x512
[01:31] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[01:31] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: no, his is saying it can only do 512
[01:31] <gnomefreak> maybe axorg.conf
[01:31] <Balaams_Miracle>  glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[01:31] <gnomefreak> thats what i menat by lkooking for
[01:31] <Balaams_Miracle> Oops
[01:32] <Balaams_Miracle> GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 4096
[01:32] <Balaams_Miracle> Silly thing...
[01:32] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: script is checking the wrong thing (just got fixed in git)
[01:32] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &
[01:32] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: run that in a terminal
[01:33] <gnomefreak> git wont hit till after beta release or is compiz one of those that gets exceptions?
[01:33] <Balaams_Miracle> I see a nice red window border :-)
[01:33] <Balaams_Miracle> Bouncy and bendy too :-))
[01:33] <Balaams_Miracle> Thanks!
[01:34] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: We might get another upload of compiz this weekend
[01:34] <gnomefreak> sweet :)
[01:34] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: If I can fix sabdfl's bug
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: you can do it ;)
[01:34] <Amaranth> haha
[01:34] <Amaranth> his bug is a missing 'feature'
[01:34] <gnomefreak> no pressure
[01:34] <Balaams_Miracle> Amaranth: Is there a way i can make this permanent? As in changing a script or so?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> oh no
[01:34] <gnomefreak> ofcourse why not him
[01:35] <Amaranth> saving window positions on session save and restoring them
[01:35] <winbond> my vmware machine slowed down a lot from the latest kernel upgrade, anyone noticed a performance drop?
[01:35] <winbond> anyone has lag problems with irc?  i think the driver for my lancard is messed up
[01:35] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: just keep using SKIP_CHECKS for awhile
[01:35] <gnomefreak> winbond: nope that is most likely the vmware modules (did you file a bug)
[01:36] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: it's a fun thing to implement
[01:36] <winbond> gnomefreak, im not experienced enough to determine if its a bug, im just saying what i have observed
[01:36] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: I have to only save windows that are session enabled but they create an invisible window for the session
[01:36] <kitche> winbond, I m getting small amounts of lag on freenode
[01:36] <gnomefreak> winbond: file a bug and the kernel guys will tell you if its a bug ;)
[01:37] <Balaams_Miracle> Whoa, strange bug here! I've moved my Xchat window a little and now it's shaking like crazy. I wish i could show you...
[01:37] <Amaranth> So I have to find the window's client leader and if it doesn't have one check the window's transient parents looking for a client leader and then check for SM_CLIENT_ID on the client leader
[01:37] <Amaranth> And I have to not save the client leader
[01:37] <Balaams_Miracle> I can not move it  wither
[01:37] <Balaams_Miracle> either
[01:37] <winbond> kitche, i get like 16 seconds lag
[01:37] <Amaranth> Except kde apps, they set SM_CLIENT_ID on the main app window
[01:37] <Amaranth> Much fun
[01:37] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: i havent looked at code for compiz yet well since beryl so i dont know how "fun" "hard" it is
[01:38] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: this is generic window manager stuff
[01:38] <Balaams_Miracle> Ah, got it.
[01:39] <CountX> wtf is up with granparidiso
[01:39] <CountX> buggy or what
[01:39] <gnomefreak> songbird is yet the biggest ive looked at it includes xulrunner in source
[01:39] <gnomefreak> CountX: yes wait for new version
[01:39] <gnomefreak> b1 will be released shortly after freeze is lifted and yes we need a week for it
[01:40] <gnomefreak> CountX: the gp in repos is fairly buggy due to upstream changes in code and they are being worked out
[01:40] <gnomefreak> CountX: good thing we decided to keep it in repos after final release
[01:41] <gnomefreak> its gonna change names soon as well
[01:41] <gnomefreak> we have been fighting opps i mean talking about that the last 3 days
[01:41] <terlmann> :-D
[01:42] <CountX> i currently use a combination of Opera and granparidiso
[01:43] <gnomefreak> we do have PPA ersons uploaded but you dont want them until after i upgrade them but before relase xulrunner will be 1.9 nss and nspr will be newest versionsand same with firefox firefox-trunk and gp
[01:43] <gnomefreak> versions even
[01:43] <gnomefreak> i hav eto fix PPA when i get a week free
[01:44] <CountX> hows ps1 emulation compare between M$ and ubuntu?
[01:44] <CountX> haha
[01:44] <CountX> wish i could get my hands on a smoke
[01:55] <gib> gnomefreak,  Regarding yelp only showing text and not images,  all you need to do to reproduce is go into any gnome app that you have installed the documentation for and choose help/contents.
[01:56] <gnomefreak> gib: what version of yelp?
[01:58] <gib> They often show screen shots to highlight what they are talking about as a visual guide.
[01:58] <gib> Whatever version of yelp gutsy is using.
[01:58] <gnomefreak> gib: example: open nautilus click help then contents and it looks as i remember it in fiesty just more links
[01:59] <gnomefreak> i dont remember images in there but i also dont go in there unless an issue is present, it could be as simple as a setting you have or they made to make things faster
[02:02] <gnomefreak> gib: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/index.html#rnusers-help
[02:02] <gnomefreak> that shows the help menus
[02:02] <gnomefreak> and tells abit about it
[02:06] <gib> Do you have gnu cash installed?  It has very nice documentation with lots screenshots.  Not in gutsy though, just in Feisty.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> gib: no i dont but they reworked everything in 2.20 release notice it says it will open faster (that is most likely why gnome too images out)
[02:06] <gib> I'd have to go to another machine with fiesty installed to give other examples.
[02:07] <gnomefreak> gib: i would file a bug but most likely it was purposly done
[02:08] <Jordan_U> When I try to edit the xorg.conf in a LiveCD session when trying to save I get an error ( from vim ) that the file has been modified since it was opened, this always happens and a diff always shows that nothing has changed.
[02:08] <gib> No, I don't think so.  Lots of programs use yelp to display their help.  They wouldn't all have just decided to remove all visuals.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> Is this a bug or just a strange side effect of the new Xorg or something like that?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> gib: yelp is part of gnome not apps
[02:09] <gnomefreak> apps use yelp
[02:09] <gib> Yes, but lots of apps use gnomes yelp to display their help files.
[02:09] <gib> Rather than reinvent the wheel.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> gib: yes and if gnome changed it than it would change for all GTK apps
[02:10] <gib> Well, that would be just plain stupid to throw out all visuals for any prog using yelp.
[02:11] <Jordan_U> gib, It's less like a library and more like having Firefox open html documentation, it is a completely independent program
[02:11] <gnomefreak> there is most likely a setting you can change but by default it looks as if they did it for speed
[02:11] <gnomefreak> gib: file a bug if you think im wrong
[02:12] <Jordan_U> gib, Or file a bug if you think she is right but it's a bad decision ( look into their actual rationale first though if you can find it )
[02:12] <gib> Jordan, I know, but only yelp displays yelp formated documention; as far as I know there are no alternatives.
[02:14] <gib> I rarely agree with gnomes reason's for doing what they do, that's why I don't use it, but I do use some individual apps I like that use gnome libs.
[02:17] <Jordan_U> gib, Yes, but if it is a problem it is a bug, you might as well find out their rationale, it may even be a technical bug after all, rather than a decision
[02:19] <gib> I think it is a bug, because they historically give yelp very low priorty, and pay hardly any attention to it.  It's been broken in other ways in the past and they never hurried to fix it.
[02:21] <gib> It would be interesting to know if other distros using the newest gnome are also experiencing the problem, or if it is just the ubuntu gusty family..
[02:24] <gnomefreak> gib: we dont touch that, that is gnome upstream that decides that, but since it reads as a feature than we might change it but im guessing doubtful but first yelp isnt 2.20 so we dont know what yelp will be like but im fairly sure its the same as the version in repos atm. file a bug if it bothers you and they will decide what to do they == desktop team
[02:26] <CountX> gnomefreak: i filed a bug once...
[02:27] <gnomefreak> CountX: i do it all the time
[02:31] <gib> OK.  I sure hope they didn't do it on purpose.  If they did, they're are going to be a lot of pissed of app devs that decided to use yelp for their help systems whose documentation will no longer be displayed as they intended it to be seen.
[02:32] <gib> Where did they list changing to not displaying images as a new "feature.?"  On the Gnome site?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> gib: i didnt look at release notes for it but by the link i gave you talking about it opening faster makes me think that is what they did. you are running in circles and not getting anywhere if you file a bug they will answer you. ubuntu did not make that change afaik atleast i havent see it in any ubuntu changelog for gnome
[02:36] <gnomefreak> gib: ask in #ubuntu-desktop but be patient as they may not be there this late
[02:36] <gnomefreak> they are the ones that maintain it
[02:37] <gnomefreak> ifit bothers you that much look in gconf-editor see if you cant change it
[02:37] <gnomefreak> brb have to restart gnome
[02:40] <gib> OK.  It's just frustrating because gnome just doesn't seem to care about yelp (referring to past instances of them breaking it and not seeming to care too much).  The best solution, I guess would be for app devs to not rely on yelp for their help systems.
[02:43] <larson999> nvidia 3d drivers not working for me :(
[02:43] <CountX> my wireless dont work
[02:43] <CountX> :(
[02:45] <CountX> i was told to wait
[02:45] <CountX> i dont know what for but im waiting
[02:47] <Ahmuck> konq will no longer open kodak easyshare cx4200
[02:48] <drock> anyone know how to define a new screen/monitor for displayconfig-gtk?
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> Ahmuck, ouch
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> Ahmuck, you try digikam?
[02:49] <Ahmuck> yep
[02:49] <Ahmuck> digikam, dolphin, konq
[02:49] <Ahmuck> dolphin states - unknown model
[02:50] <Ahmuck> has usb changed in gutsy?
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> Ahmuck, have you restarted since latest update?
[02:51] <drock> i added 800x480 to xorg.conf but I cannot get the screen to change to that resolution.
[02:52] <Ahmuck> as far as i know, but i'll try now
[03:02] <Ahmuck> hrm, i could not think of a reason why rebooting would help, but i did, and the results are the same
[03:14] <slasher> yo
[03:15] <jezta> Hi guys, ubiquity keeps crashing during the partitioning phase (think it relates to bug 122645), is there anyway i can by-pass the graphical partitioning.. or is there a text mode installer i can use?
[03:15] <tritium> jezta: the alternate install CD is text-based
[03:15] <jezta> ah.. no way to do it without another install?
[03:16] <jezta> download i mean
[03:19] <hydrogen> sure you can
[03:19] <hydrogen> you can use fdisk
[03:19] <hydrogen> or parted
[03:19] <hydrogen> but those require a bit more mental involvement
[03:20] <jezta> i dont mind using fdisk.. problem is how do i get ubiquity or the installer to continue from there onwards?
[03:22] <Jordan_U> jezta, Does it crash if you make free space and just tell Ubiquity to use it to create the various partitions? ( ie could the problem just be resizing ? )
[03:23] <jezta> no, no resizing involved
[03:23] <jezta> it crashes when it tries to commit the partion creation..
[03:24] <jezta> i need to hard reset it.. xwindows is frozen as well
[03:24] <jezta> is it possible to run ubiquity in an automatic mode..
[03:25] <jezta> with a script that defines which partition to install to? and other settings..
[03:26] <Jordan_U> jezta, Is it that hard to just download the alternate install CD ?:)
[03:27] <jezta> just felt like a shame using up all that bandwidth :)
[03:27] <jezta> thought there must be a quick work around..
[03:27] <hydrogen> well
[03:28] <hydrogen> humm
[03:28] <Jordan_U> jezta, You are going to have to download much more than that in updates anyways :)
[03:29] <gavintlgold> hey, will gutsy ship with the latest nvidia driver?
[03:29] <gavintlgold> 19  i mean
[03:29] <jezta> Jordan_U i guess so.. cheers
[03:30] <gavintlgold> k have to go, but if it DOES then that would fix a few problems nvidia users have with something called the "black window bug"
[03:30] <gavintlgold> so that would be good.
[03:30] <gavintlgold> ;)
[03:34] <Q-FUNK> many thanks to whoever _completely_ broke what little usefulness network-manager had until yesterday!
[03:35] <Q-FUNK> could someone please tell me how to fix it?
[03:36] <pwnguin> which chipset?
[03:36] <pwnguin> it's working fine here
[03:36] <pwnguin> so there's usefullness left
[03:36] <VousDeux> when downloading a third-party program for installation on kubuntu, would it be better to get tar.gz or rpm?
[03:36] <Vegar> rpm
[03:36] <Q-FUNK> pwnguin: have you rebooted since yesterday?
[03:36] <Vegar> you can convert rpms to .deb
[03:36] <pwnguin> yes
[03:36] <VousDeux> ahhh...okay, thanks
[03:37] <Q-FUNK> pwnguin: using wireless?
[03:37] <pwnguin> but you cant bitch about testing. it's part of the deal
[03:37] <pwnguin> yes
[03:37] <Q-FUNK> hm.
[03:37] <pwnguin> if you needed it to work, you dont use testing
[03:37] <crdlb> VousDeux, converting rpms to debs is very dangerous
[03:37] <Q-FUNK> then I really wonder why I suddenly had to manually associate and manually run dhcp for this to work again.
[03:38] <Q-FUNK> pwnguin: if you had told me that 1 month ago, I would have agreed, but we are 2 weeks away from releasing.
[03:38] <pwnguin> shennaigans
[03:38] <crdlb> uh no
[03:38] <pwnguin> middle of october
[03:38] <crdlb> it hasn't even hit beta
[03:39] <pwnguin> if it doesnt get pushed back
[03:39] <larson999> Q-FUNK, testing is testing doesn't matter how close to release
[03:40] <pwnguin> Q-FUNK: if it's repeatable, report it
[03:40] <winbond> anyone running gutsy kubuntu?? i need a quick bug check
[03:40] <pwnguin> but it was likely broke as either a mistake or an attempt to fix someone else
[03:40] <Q-FUNK> larson999: fair enough and acknowledged, but I'd still like to know what broke it.  the changelog is very evasive and the NEWS.Debian sketcy at best.
[03:40] <VousDeux> Okay, that was weird...my computer suddenly turned the screensaver on, prompted for a password, then shutdown. I turned it back on, entered the password screensaver, and it came back just like nothing happened
[03:40] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[03:40] <pwnguin> Q-FUNK: check launchpad
[03:41] <larson999> or as a coworker says, "testes is testes"
[03:41] <Aondo> winbond  yes, me.
[03:41] <VousDeux> oh, so would I be better off with tar.gz or rpm?
[03:41] <Q-FUNK> bug 139403 seems to be what yesterday's upload was supposed to fix
[03:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139403 in network-manager "network-manager should stop managing any interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139403
[03:42] <pwnguin> Q-FUNK: what's your interfaces look like?
[03:43] <larson999> i think i like the dark wallpaper better
[03:43] <winbond> Aondo, its nothing important, im good , thanks
[03:43] <Aondo> ok then :D
[03:44] <Q-FUNK> pwnguin: wireless stuff commented out, fixed network using dhcp.
[03:48] <jack_mcdowell> hello, does someone know if booting with noapic + nolapic would make my wifi card disappear?
[03:50] <pwnguin> hmm
[03:51] <jack_mcdowell> no idea? ever since I upgraded to gutsy it has disappeared even from my lspci... very frustrating
[03:51] <pwnguin> no advanced interrupt controller, and no legacy interrupt controller
[03:51] <pwnguin> sounds bad
[03:51] <jack_mcdowell> well... I have an hp laptop, and it won't boot otherwise
[03:52] <jack_mcdowell> I even tried compiling the new kernel with the rc6 & 7 patches... and still nothing
[03:53] <pwnguin> #laptop-testing might be more responsive
[03:53] <pwnguin> but it's somewhat unlike
[03:53] <pwnguin> ly
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> jack_mcdowell, the obvious sometimes is right in front of us... did you check the on/off wifi button?
[03:54] <jack_mcdowell> hm... well it is a problem with hp laptops and the turion X2... so thank you for the tip, I'll check it out when I get home or tomorrow... it seems to have happened after the move to the 22 kernel
[03:54] <DShepherd> is gutsy due a new facelift for the release?
[03:54] <jack_mcdowell> yes... I'm rather new to linux, but not to computers
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> just making sure
[03:55] <jack_mcdowell> :)
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> very weird not to show up
[03:55] <jack_mcdowell> np, I heard someone ask that question on a forum... and it was the solution
[03:55] <jack_mcdowell> and even stranger, yesterday it showed up on 1 boot, I installed the driver, rebooted, and gone
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> i would guess that is a minipci chip
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> have you tried reseating it...
[03:56] <jack_mcdowell> yes
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:56] <jack_mcdowell> I did
[03:56] <jack_mcdowell> cleaned it a bit too
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> what about loading an older kernel on boot
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> is it there then?
[03:56] <jack_mcdowell> not with the older one I have... let me check
[03:58] <jack_mcdowell> vmlinuz-2.6.22-10 is the oldest I have... quite new I guess.. . how old can I go with gutsy?
[04:02] <DanaG> Heh, that was short-lived:  debian/patches/02-cairo-1.4.8-lcd-filter-1.patch:
[04:02] <DanaG>     - remove - interacts poorly with the bytecode interpreter in freetype, which we already have enabled
[04:03] <m1ke> I wanted to take four flash videos, and for easy math well say they are 200x200, and make them into one big video  800x800, how would I do that?
[04:03] <jack_mcdowell> well, got to go, but thank you for the kernel tip!
[04:04] <pwnguin> by getting about 24 more videos
[04:04] <hydrogen> uhh
[04:04] <pwnguin> that math didnt work out
[04:04] <hydrogen> nope
[04:04] <hydrogen> itn didn't
[04:04] <hydrogen> i tink you mean 15 more videos though
[04:04] <pwnguin> you may have meant 400x400
[04:04] <pwnguin> hydrogen: perhaps
[04:05] <pwnguin> anyways, kino maybe?
[04:05] <pwnguin> flash videos are flv
[04:05] <m1ke> I mean, make the four little video clips and make them into one so it looks like you are watching all four at the same time.
[04:06] <m1ke> Cause usually I get youtube vidoes, and use multiple vlc players to run them.  I wont to combine the actually video.
[04:07] <pwnguin> m1ke: the challenge will be getting the .flv files from youtube
[04:07] <m1ke> usually videos being viewed get dumped into /tmp/
[04:08] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:08] <hydrogen> plus you could use youtube-dl or clive
[04:08] <hydrogen> to do it
[04:09] <pwnguin> i dont know if you know this, but there's a ubuntu studio project that aims to bring video music and art editing to ubuntu
[04:09] <m1ke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZpPf-q2_es   use this for an example.    i find the file in /tmp/FlashVtXXOo   (funny video) then I want to combine this videos together.
[04:09] <pwnguin> they might have more resources for your needs
[04:09] <m1ke> I tried ubuntu studio, and it just bundles sound and video apps
[04:10] <pwnguin> !info ubuntustudio-video
[04:10] <ubotu> ubuntustudio-video: Ubuntu Studio video Package. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7 (gutsy), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:11] <Doctor_Nick> !info :D
[04:11] <ubotu> Package d does not exist in gutsy
[04:11] <pwnguin> interesting
[04:11] <pwnguin> you broke them dr nick
[04:13] <d4rkmonkey> whoa!
[04:14] <pwnguin> !info :D
[04:14] <ubotu> Package d does not exist in gutsy
[04:14] <m1ke> I tried kino and it just for .dv  cam source stuff
[04:15] <pwnguin> pitivi?
[04:18] <] grimm[> I'm having an exceptionally odd problem where firefox is segfaulting on the second of two displays that I have connected to my nvidia card.  I am running AMD64 Gutsy.  This is something that has only started occurring after I upgraded to Gutsy.  However, I tried installing a 32-bit binary firefox package and don't have a problem running that.  I have an nvidia video card and am using the latest binary drivers (I got the error with t
[04:18] <] grimm[> he previous driver release as well, which is the same version I was running under Feisty) Does anyone have any idea as to what might be causing this?
[04:19] <pwnguin> firefox :P
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> PWNGUIN!
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> I GET IT
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[04:19] <Doctor_Nick> PWN + PENGUIN
[04:19] <pwnguin> here's your sign
[04:20] <newpers> i'm using gusty tidy 5.  when i boot with nosmp, i get the following error:  "unable to locate ioapic for gsi".  any ideas why?
[04:21] <pwnguin> did someone write a random bug report generator?
[04:23] <CountX> pwnguin: haha, heres ur sign...thats mean
[04:24] <CountX> pwnguin: i just now go it too, not that funny, but shows that you actually put creative thought into ur handle
[04:24] <CountX> got*
[04:24] <pwnguin> actually, my roommate came up with it
[04:24] <pwnguin> i decided it was too awesome not to register
[04:25] <CountX> pwnguin: sounds like drugs were involved
[04:25] <pwnguin> beer if anything
[04:25] <CountX> haha
[04:25] <pwnguin> just a typo
[04:25] <pwnguin> he typed pengiun.com or something and got it wrong and the url was unregistered
[04:25] <pwnguin> he's like, you can totally have it
[04:26] <m1ke> Need helping into combining 4 video clips to a new video to play simultaneously as one video.
[04:26] <CountX> "dude i got this totaly awesome linux handle, dude dude, wait, your gunan think this is awesome, ""PWNguin"", HAHAHA GET IT" thats how i imagin it going at my house
[04:27] <pwnguin> !info pitivi
[04:27] <ubotu> pitivi: non-linear audio/video editor using GStreamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.3-1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[04:27] <CountX> wow thats small
[04:27] <] grimm[> m1ke: I assume you mean sequentially and not simultaneously, right?  You can do it with avidemux as well.
[04:27] <pwnguin> most of it is plugins
[04:28] <newpers> 6/wc
[04:28] <m1ke> ] grimm[, I want to have them all be able to play at same time.
[04:28] <pwnguin> ] grimm[: no, simultaneously
[04:28] <] grimm[> m1ke: sorry
[04:28] <pwnguin> i dont think there's an imagemagik for video
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> wait, you mean like on 4 different monitors?
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> i used to do on one monitor several videos with mplayer
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> at same time
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> do=play
[04:29] <m1ke> nomasteryoda, no.  Most videos are small.   so i want to fill up all screen pixels and have them all playing at same time
[04:30] <] grimm[> This bug I've run into with firefox is driving me insane...what could be different between two displays on the same machine that could be causing firefox to segfault on one but not the other?
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> compiz
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> ?
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> i killed that and my ff and tb work
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> but only with those off
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> er, that off
[04:31] <] grimm[> is compiz enabled by default in Gutsy?
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> m1ke, hang on.. i saw something like that somewhere
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> er, yes
[04:31] <m1ke> nomasteryoda, currently i open up multiple vlc players to accomplish my task.  but I wash I can make them all one actual video.
[04:31] <CountX> has anyone got wireless on a lptop working?
[04:32] <pwnguin> yes
[04:32] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: is there gui-magical way to deal with compiz in Gutsy yet, or do I do it by hand?
[04:32] <pwnguin> ] grimm[: appearances gives you a few options
[04:32] <] grimm[> pwnguin: like to disable compiz?
[04:32] <] grimm[> let me dig around in there and see what I find
[04:32] <pwnguin> ] grimm[: sure. just set it to "disable effects"
[04:33] <CountX> pwnguin: do you think linux will ever "catch on"
[04:33] <] grimm[> pwnguin: under "Desktop Effects"?  It's set to "no effects" by default it seems
[04:33] <CountX> pwnguin: my friend just made a very good point, that people only use M$ because its used by the most people
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> CountX, has been debated for a while now.. many years
[04:34] <pwnguin> it'll take a while and dedication
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> Linux is catching on .. windows users I meet on the street say, hey cool.. I use Ubuntu at home on one or a few of my computers
[04:34] <pwnguin> when laptop OEMs can hire a team of linux experts to customize to their laptops
[04:34] <CountX> pwnguin: i hope it doesnt just keep sparring off companies like Apple
[04:35] <pwnguin> thats when it catches on
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> so i think MS does not know how deep the Linux use goes
[04:35] <] grimm[> if desktop effects are off, am to assume compiz isn't enabled?
[04:35] <pwnguin> Apple can die in a fire
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> but kill it to be sure
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> killall -9 compiz.real
[04:35] <CountX> pwnguin: lol
[04:35] <] grimm[> I see no compiz processes
[04:36] <pwnguin> CountX: they screw over 3rd party devs every release it seems
[04:36] <] grimm[> so I guess it wasn't running to begin with (is that weird?)
[04:36] <DanaG> Speaking of Apple, the one thing I notice first upon trying an apple laptop is the smooth pixel-by-pixel scrolling.
[04:36] <DanaG> Even the Windows synaptics drivers have something reasonably good.
[04:37] <pwnguin> ] grimm[: it doesnt enable compiz on upgrades
[04:37] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: can you think of anything else that might be messing up ff?
[04:37] <DanaG> But how can I get such smooth scrolling in Xorg?
[04:37] <] grimm[> pwnguin: that would it in my case
[04:37] <] grimm[> *be it even
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> i would check to see if the .parentlock files are in the folders
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> er, profile folders
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> with ff closed
[04:38] <pwnguin> DanaG: pixel by pixel scrolling?
[04:38] <pwnguin> wouldn't that be slow
[04:38] <pwnguin> ?
[04:38] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: They're there
[04:38] <DanaG> Not if the increment on the touchpad is also very small.
[04:38] <DanaG> vertscrolldelta.
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> i delete them ... then try to launch ff again
[04:39] <pwnguin> DanaG: firefox has a "smooth scrolling" option
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> had to do that several times ... since it crashes, it seems to leave those there
[04:39] <pwnguin> i imagine it's off by default because it pegs slower computers
[04:39] <DrDabbles> I have an issue. Xorg (the executable) is segfaulting for me. Any known issues with it?
[04:39] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: no luck with that, still segfaulting
[04:40] <DrDabbles> I'm currently running the latest packages in the repos, including gutsy-proposed.
[04:40] <pwnguin> DanaG: impressive
[04:40] <pwnguin> is gutsy-proposed active?
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> man, that is nuts ] grimm[
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> ] grimm[, try firefox -P
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> to have it ask for profile and make new one.. then ?
[04:41] <] grimm[> yup, I've already done that
[04:41] <] grimm[> still doesn't work
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:42] <] grimm[> and I can open firefox with multiple profiles on the primary display without a problem
[04:42] <] grimm[> and nothing on the secondary display
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> oh
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:42] <] grimm[> SIGSGV immediately
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> secondary display as in dual displays or tty9
[04:42] <] grimm[> dual displays
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:43] <DrDabbles> xserver-xorg-core version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu5 ?
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> is one dvi?
[04:43] <] grimm[> nope, neither is DVI
[04:43] <CountX> how might i output to an external monitor with my laptop
[04:43] <CountX> its got a plug on the side for a vga
[04:43] <] grimm[> DrDabbles: was that for me?
[04:44] <DrDabbles> grimm: I'm not sure. For anyone experienced with issues involving X. :-P
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> CountX,  try the Fn+the key with a monitor on it... several times to see if it can sync
[04:44] <DrDabbles> Within the past day or so at least.
[04:45] <] grimm[> DrDabbles: then it's not for me ^^;;  sorry
[04:45] <DrDabbles> grimm: No problem. :-) alpha / beta releases are a heck of a thing
[04:46] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: and also, I can run firefox32 using from a 3rd party package without a problem
[04:46] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: it's only dying with the official 64-bit package
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> the one from mozilla?
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> or an ubuntu build
[04:46] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: no, the ubuntu build
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> did your xorg.conf get changed and something set wrong ?
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> i've seen such...
[04:48] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: in what sense?  I mean, it hasn't changed since I upgraded to Gutsy and everything else is functioning as it did before in Feisty
[04:48] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: so I can't really think of anything that's off in my xorg.conf
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> what video chipset?
[04:49] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: nvidia, using the latest binary drivers (the problem occurred with the previous driver version as well, which is the same driver I was using in Feisty)
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:50] <] grimm[> I'm just installing the debugging symbols to see if I can figure out anything interesting with gdb...
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> good idea
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, "smooth scrolling" is not the same thing -- that just interpolates.
[04:54] <slavik> is it me or has networkmanager become monopolistic?
[04:54] <CountX> i cant use wireless
[04:54] <CountX> :(
[04:54] <slavik> it doesn't let me change the mode for my wifi card and also doesn't understand that my interface is set up manually
[04:54] <CountX> i cant use mine
[04:54] <CountX> and i dont know enough about linux to really try
[04:55] <slavik> CountX: what card?
[04:55] <slavik> chipset rather
[04:55] <CountX> bcm4312
[04:55] <CountX> broadcom
[04:56] <slavik> ouch
[04:56] <CountX> this is an hp dv9000z
[04:56] <slavik> compaq ... v2000z
[04:58] <CountX> ya i seriously dont know enough to even get mine working
[04:58] <CountX> i just hang out in here and ask every no wand then
[04:59] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38072/
[04:59] <] grimm[> well, that's really for anyone
[05:02] <CountX> ya i wish i had wireless
[05:02] <CountX> its kinda just like having a small semi portable computer with a shitty battery right now
[05:02] <CountX> the wifi really makes the cake
[05:03] <slavik> did you look for howtos?
[05:04] <] grimm[> is there something in particular I'm looking for with gdb?  I'm a complete debugging novice...
[05:04] <slavik> the bcm43xx site says that the 4312 b/g modes are supported
[05:04] <slavik> ] grimm[: install ddd :)
[05:05] <] grimm[> slavik: I'm somewhat familiar with ddd, but I think the problem here lies with my skills and not the quality of the debugger
[05:05] <CountX> i cant find anything ubuntu specific
[05:05] <slavik> ] grimm[: ddd is easier to figure out ;)
[05:06] <slavik> CountX: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[05:06] <slavik> wiki.ubuntu.com, memorize the address
[05:13] <IdleOne> Network monitor 2.12.1 shows me that I am not connected. starnge considering I have just connected to 3 networks
[05:14] <] grimm[> hmm, I can't get firefox to run with ddd
[05:16] <dcordes> any hint on how to add workspaces in gutsy? there is only one and I don't know how to adjust this. In 7.04 I right clicked the workspace gnome-panel applet and just changed it
[05:17] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: any more ideas?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> sorry, allburnd out for night
[05:18] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: np
[05:18] <] grimm[> as am I
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> maybe it will be patched tomorrow...
[05:19] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: just one last thing, did my gdb output make any sense?  or do I need more info there?
[05:19] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: I hope so, there's a bug that's been submitted, but it seems dead to me
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> if you have it, i;m sure it will be elsewhere...
[05:20] <] grimm[> nomasteryoda: yeah, the bug was submitted by someone else, I just added my 2 cents
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how do you edit the config of gnome-screensaver?
[05:24] <IdleOne> dcordes: just right click choose Preferences and then add as many as you like
[05:24] <DanaG> Gnome-screensaver likes to run the rss-glx savers at a siezure-inducing (figuratively) 500 FPS.
[05:27] <dcordes> IdleOne: already solved it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/129152
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129152 in libwnck "cannot set number or name of workspaces from workspace switcher applet" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[05:27] <DanaG> Curse those Gnome devs and their "Average users don't need to change settings!" philosophy.
[05:27] <dcordes> worksapaces can only be switched with gnome-compiz-preferences while compositing is activated
[05:28] <IdleOne> dcordes: you did or it was solved?
[05:28] <IdleOne> dcordes: you did or it was solved?
[05:28] <IdleOne> sorry
[05:28] <dcordes> IdleOne: what's your point?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> hmm. i tried to change the # of workspaces earlier with the compziz tool and X crashed. :) will try again after these updates.
[05:28] <IdleOne> dcordes: just curious to know if it was you who solved it?
[05:29] <dcordes> IdleOne: yes I solved the problem I had with the situation not being able to switch my workspaces?
[05:29] <IdleOne> ok cool
[05:30] <dcordes> IdleOne: what did you think? I didn't call canonical support, no.
[05:30] <IdleOne> dcordes: think you are misreading me. what I meant to ask was if you had solved that bug report is all I meant I was not trying to imply that I had solved your problem or that someone else did
[05:31] <IdleOne> :)
[05:31] <IdleOne> but I am happy the issue is fixed now
[05:39] <winbond> does anyone else thinks dolphin is really lacking on features?
[05:41] <DanaG> Looks like KDE must've accidentally picked up some Gnome developers.
[05:41] <winbond> lolz, looks like it
[05:41] <DanaG> (I do like Gnome, but I hate the "let's simplify everything to the point of being useless" attitude.)
[05:41] <DanaG> I'd use KDE if I could use the Gnome panel with it easily, as well as having Human and Murrine themes.
[05:42] <winbond> i tried gnome a couple of time, too many things are hidden from the user , i couldn't keep using it
[05:43] <DanaG> KDE feels too bulky for me.  Note that bulky != bloaty.
[05:44] <Ahmuck> i don't think i'v seen a gnome ever
[05:44] <DanaG> wtf?
[05:44] <DanaG> Comparing resolution (1440x900) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[05:44] <DanaG> I've been working just perfectly fine up until now.
[05:45] <arkanes> DanaG: I had the same problem, switching to use Xgl was how I worked around it
[05:45] <winbond> DanaG, i think ive seen a bug abut it 2day
[05:45] <DanaG> here's my solution: edit the compiz wrapper.
[05:45] <DanaG> check_texture_size()     {
[05:45] <DanaG>         return 1 # HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
[05:46] <winbond> i like kde, but it feels like im using windows95
[05:46] <arkanes> while we're on that topic, anyone know if theres a way to make the compiz-extras scale plugin work like the beryl one, and toggle scale when you hit the kotkey?
[05:46] <DanaG> Okay, 1 isn't the right answer.
[05:46] <DanaG> 0 is good.
[05:46] <arkanes> the new one scales, and you have to hit escape to cancel out
[05:46] <DanaG> Yay, it works, but my windeco is now ugly.
[05:47] <arkanes> DanaG: ugly, or non-existant?
[05:47] <DanaG> Ugly -- it's using an ugly emerald theme, or something.
[05:47] <arkanes> just fix it with emerald-theme-manager then
[05:47] <DanaG> aah: # Use emerald by default if it exist
[05:47] <DanaG> USE_EMERALD="yes"
[05:48] <DanaG> changed to no.
[05:48] <arkanes> you can override it in the window decorator plugin, or just uninstall emerald, too
[05:57] <jml> hello freedom lovers :)
[06:01] <jml> how can I find out what version of madwifi is included in gutsy?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> !info madwifi gutsy
[06:11] <ubotu> Package madwifi does not exist in gutsy
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> !find madwifi gutsy
[06:11] <ubotu> Found: madwifi-tools
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> !info madwifi-tools gutsy
[06:11] <ubotu> madwifi-tools: tools for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.9.3+dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 196 kB
[06:12] <jml> Dr_Willis: I'm particularly interested in the version of the kernel modules
[06:12] <jml> Dr_Willis: but I guess they will match the version of the tools package.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> i gtot no idea there. :)
[06:13] <RAOF> jml: modinfo may be your friend.
[06:14] <RAOF> jml: modinfo ath_hal gives a version number of 0.9.18.0
[06:15] <jml> hmm
[06:15] <jml> what I *really* want to know is if the fix for http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001 has been incorporated into the version in gutsy.
[06:15] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:17] <RAOF> jml: Don't you *have* such a laptop?  Can't you just test :P
[06:19] <jml> RAOF: well, I'm not entirely sure how to test it. Is 'rmmod ndiswrapper && modprobe ath_hal' enough?
[06:20] <RAOF> jml: Should be, yes.
[06:20] <RAOF> jml: Worst case would be remove the line in /etc/modules which is loading ndiswrapper, and reboot.
[06:21] <pawitp> Gtk-window-decorator is not decorating for me
[06:25] <RAOF> pawitp: Because it now defaults to emerald (if installed).
[06:26] <RAOF> Which tends to be ugly as sin, so I've uninstalled it again :)
[06:26] <pawitp> gtk-windows-decorator IS running, just not decorating
[06:26] <RAOF> Oh.
[06:27] <RAOF> pawitp: Is the "decoration" plugin loaded?
[06:27] <RAOF> pawitp: Are you on nvidia hardware?
[06:27] <pawitp> I'm on nvidia, yes
[06:28] <pawitp> and it is enabled
[06:28] <RAOF> pawitp: "sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24" & restart X will probably solve it.
[06:29] <pawitp> It's already there
[06:32] <RAOF> Ok.
[06:32] <RAOF> Then the problem must be not having the decoration plugin loaded?
[06:33] <pawitp> It is set to load
[06:34] <RAOF> pawitp: Then can you run "compiz --replace" and pastebin the terminal output please?
[06:34] <RAOF> pawitp: I've got to leave now, but that's what anyone else will want.
[06:35] <pawitp> http://pastebin.com/m3b5e47c2 ,perfectly normal
[06:36] <RAOF> pawitp: Indeed.  Interesting.
[06:37] <mukiex> Hey guys
[06:43] <pawitp> Emerald won't work either, strange...
[06:48] <masterloki> does tovid work in gusty i have not tried it yet would like to know ijf someone is currently useing it or what would you use to make DVD's
[06:48] <DanaG> random note: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[06:49] <DanaG> The module's name is ath_something-or-other, not mad-anything.
[06:57] <tekhawk> ehh that 116 packageupgrade i was holding off on should not have been done at all ; ;
[06:58] <tekhawk> anyone else lost compiz on nvidia amd64 platforms
[07:00] <Ahmuck> is there a reason to tie bluetooth to evolution?
[07:10] <gaminggeek> Hey
[07:10] <gaminggeek> I'm having some problems trying to get compiz to go
[07:10] <gaminggeek> Comparing resolution (1440x900) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[07:10] <gaminggeek> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[07:15] <tekhawk> hey join the cmpiz went shit group right here gaminggeek
[07:16] <tekhawk> let me guess nvidia card
[07:16] <crdlb> gaminggeek, it's a bug in the compiz wrapper script
[07:16] <tekhawk> crdlb: is there a work around
[07:17] <gaminggeek> yep nvidia
[07:17] <tekhawk> gaminggeek: same issue here change res to 1600x1200 though
[07:18] <crdlb> tekhawk, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3394876#post3394876
[07:19] <tekhawk> gaminggeek: that link has quick quick fix trying it now
[07:20] <IntuitiveNipple> I posted the 'sed...' command to the bug report, if you want it
[07:22] <IntuitiveNipple>  "sudo sed -i 's/GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE/g' /usr/bin/compiz"
[07:22] <tekhawk> i didnt use the sed i just found the line and changed it
[07:22] <tekhawk> but that workes great
[07:22] <gaminggeek> that worked!
[07:23] <tekhawk> gaminggeek: simple fix
[07:23] <tekhawk> so typo killed compiz lol
[07:23] <gaminggeek> although now I have wobbly on
[07:23] <gaminggeek> and I hate wobbly
[07:23] <tekhawk> lol
[07:24] <gaminggeek> an normal effects
[07:24] <gaminggeek> *ah
[07:24] <gaminggeek> works nice now
[07:24] <gaminggeek> thanks guys
[07:24] <tekhawk> no wobble wow thats weird
[07:24] <gaminggeek> wobble is lame
[07:25] <tekhawk> i have small wobble it makes things feel more fluid
[07:25] <IntuitiveNipple> I sometimes laugh at the stretchy snap thing... windows refuse to be dragged but distort... like a recalcitrant child :p
[07:25] <tekhawk> the effects of moving on the windows just makes it seem more inviting i guess
[07:25] <gaminggeek> I dont like the way wobble blurs my windows when I move them
[07:25] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: i hate that thing sometimes
[07:27] <IntuitiveNipple> I just move the window down off-screen then quickly back... it keeps me entertained when I'm getting stressed whilst bug-fixing
[07:28] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: are you on dev team?
[07:29] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm on the kernel ACPI team, and I mess with a lit of other 'stuff'
[07:29] <IntuitiveNipple> s/lit/lot/
[07:32] <contrast83> You know you can turn off "that stretchy snap thing," right? :-)
[07:35] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: nice to kow we have dev in here
[07:35] <tekhawk> whats the gutsy release date?
[07:35] <IntuitiveNipple> hah, it don't mean much!
[07:36] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: still you can tell others lol
[07:36] <musikgoat> its the 18th of october
[07:36] <tekhawk> musikgoat: ty
[07:36] <tekhawk> ouch must be crunch time no wonder there have been so many patches latly
[07:37] <IntuitiveNipple> tekhawk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[07:38] <tekhawk> lol kernaelfreeze is on my gfs bday lol
[07:39] <tekhawk> 7 days from release candidate to final thats a bit ruff on team isnt it
[07:40] <IntuitiveNipple> You should the number of package-updates going through every day, my gutsy-changes mailbox has 1,200 from the last week or so
[07:41] <tekhawk> wow right note to self dont get on that mailing list
[07:42] <tekhawk> you guys work to fast lol
[07:42] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: by the way i moved from opensuse to ubuntu like 2-3 weeks ago yeah that irc no devs of any level in sight lol
[07:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm only just getting started with it, been on Ubuntu since last year
[07:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm a hacker though so getting my head around how things are organised is  my main issue
[07:45] <tekhawk> i like the work put into making ubuntus gnome desktop so user friendly is great just wish there where as many nice things done to the kde one
[07:45] <arooni> folks; latest updates prevented me using compiz............  i have a t61 ......... any ideas?
[07:46] <tekhawk> we have anwsers lol
[07:46] <contrast83> arooni: What video card / driver?
[07:46] <tekhawk> run compiz from terimnal
[07:47] <tekhawk> do you get a texture size limit error
[07:47] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni:  "sudo sed -i 's/GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE/g' /usr/bin/compiz"
[07:47] <arooni> contrast83, intel x3100intel
[07:47] <arooni> intel is the graphics driver
[07:47] <arooni> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[07:47] <arooni> Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found
[07:47] <arooni> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[07:48] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: not same issue
[07:48] <contrast83> Hmm. Not sure then. I had to downgrade the ati driver yesterday after the new one broke Compiz, so I'm obviously of no help here.
[07:48] <arooni> hmmmm
[07:48] <tekhawk> arooni: i saw someone in here a few days ago talking about intel gpu issues
[07:49] <DanaG> acpi team?
[07:49] <DanaG> hmm, an old bug report, but now updated: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[07:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[07:49] <tekhawk> arooni: and that one that worked was blacklisted becuase it had some issue that wasnt in your face but was a big issue
[07:49] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni: Ahh... yes, I noticed a bunch of cards have been blacklisted
[07:49] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: Yes, I've seen it
[07:49] <DanaG> 2 days ago, I imaged this system from a backup -- so I had 3 weeks worth of updates to download and install.
[07:50] <arooni> IntuitiveNipple, they blacklisted my card?
[07:50] <DanaG> I went on campus WiFi, using mirrors.kernel.org, and got somewhere around 1 megabyte per second.
[07:50] <DanaG> I'm fine with that fix for now.
[07:50] <tekhawk> arooni: yeah it would seem, i would think that itll be un blacklisted when the issue is fixed
[07:51] <DanaG> I still have the blinking, though.
[07:51] <DanaG> I do find it odd that there are no sysfs entries for the discrete levels.
[07:51] <arooni> tekhawk, can i fall back to the previous driver?
[07:51] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni: I missed all the discussion but there's something about incompatible GL and some drivers, so a bunch of cards were blacklisted. You'd need to check launchpad for the details, or the mailing-lists
[07:51] <arooni> can i roll back my driver?
[07:51] <arooni> or is that not feasible
[07:51] <tekhawk> arooni: its not the driver its compiz
[07:51] <arooni> tekhawk, can i do that?
[07:52] <arooni> roll back compi?
[07:52] <DanaG> And I also find it odd that the multiple-of-12.5-rounded-up values work via echo, but not via the slider.  And now with the parameter, they do work via hotkey again.
[07:52] <tekhawk> arooni: you could do that i think that might fix the issue  but i think youd have to roll back 2-3 patches
[07:52] <rbanffy> Hi folks. I have a very annoying problem now. Since about today, every time the screen saver kicks in (either from inactivity or when I lock the console, X restarts. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
[07:53] <arooni> tekhawk, hmm is there one eay way to do that
[07:54] <tekhawk> arooni: im a utter noob at debian i moved from opensuse and fedora core 2-3 weeks ago linux i can speak apt im still learning
[07:54] <arooni> heh
[07:55] <contrast83> arooni: one sec...
[07:55] <tekhawk> speaking of which anyone got a link to a good roll back guide i think i shall need that sooner or later
[07:55] <rbanffy> tekhawk: You will love apt. That's what made me move from Red Hat to Debian and, ultimately, away from Windows
[07:55] <contrast83> arooni: You just need the older intel driver, right?
[07:55] <tekhawk> contrast83: he need to roll back compiz
[07:56] <tekhawk> contrast83: i think compiz is what is blacklisting his card right
[07:56] <IntuitiveNipple> rbanffy: That sounds like a side-effect of the GL apps bug - is the screensaver doing openGL ?
[07:56] <rbanffy> Hmmm. Dunno. How can I check it?
[07:56] <tekhawk> rbanffy: yeah yum wasnt bad and i can get alot done with that stuff yast seems to be trying to mirror apt but yes aptt is nice THANK GOD FOR PURDGE
[07:56] <IntuitiveNipple> try using the default screen-saver
[07:56] <contrast83> hmm... not sure. arooni - you might ask in #compiz-fusion
[07:57] <arooni> hmmm
[07:57] <arooni> maybe i can hope that they fix this issue
[07:57] <arooni> it is documented somewhere
[07:57] <contrast83> arooni: sorry, i just don't want to suggest a solution that isn't gonna work
[07:57] <arooni> so they know its broken?
[07:57] <rbanffy> I am using the electrapaint-like thingie. It sure doesn't look OpenGL-ish
[07:57] <tekhawk> arooni: 1 sec
[07:57] <arooni> contrast83, i appreciate that
[07:57] <IntuitiveNipple> rbanffy: ok, maybe it is something else then
[07:58] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: do you know what package controls the blacklisting that arooni needs to roll back
[07:59] <IntuitiveNipple> tekhawk: no, I just recall skim-reading something about it in the Changelogs attached to a change-report
[07:59] <rbanffy> IntuitiveNipple: I will give it a try. Would you suggest a screen saver that has absolutely nothing to do with OpenGL?
[08:00] <IntuitiveNipple> rbanffy: To isolate the cause of your issue, yes. You need to compare and contrast different scenarios to narrow down the potential causes and exclude as many as possible
[08:04] <contrast83> arooni: If the solution *is* that you need to downgrade compiz, I'm pretty sure you'll have to manually download the packages, since the older versions are no longer in the package lists. Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.
[08:04] <arooni> ahh ok
[08:06] <m1ke> I am trying to take 4 videos and make them into one big video that will display all simultaneously.  Here is what I want it to look like, http://67.186.85.180/~mike/multiplevideo.png
[08:07] <lordhelmet> hey all. is anybody experiencing super slow apt performance (network speeds)? my feisty laptop does aptitude update fast, as well as downloads updates fast, but this gutsy tribe-5 i just installed is mad slow when it comes to that
[08:08] <DanaG> Is it just a slow mirror?
[08:09] <contrast83> m1ke: Have you checked out Kino? I'm not sure if it could do that, but I'd imagine so.
[08:09] <DanaG> archive.ubuntu.com is slow.
[08:10] <lordhelmet> i was on ca.archive and it was slow so tried archive but it's slow too :( i'm in alberta/canada btw
[08:10] <lordhelmet> i will try us and see what happens...
[08:10] <DanaG> I use mirrors.kernel.org and archive.
[08:15] <lordhelmet> us.archive seems to be slow for me
[08:17] <m1ke> contrast83, I have kino. I am attempting to play with it.  Unfortunately haven't figured out if it can or can't
[08:19] <contrast83> If it can't, KDEnlive and/or LiVES might be worth checkint out also. There's also Avidemux, but what you want to do's probably beyond the scope of that.
[08:20] <contrast83> Those first two are on http://www.getdeb.net - The Feisty versions should work on Gutsy
[08:20] <DanaG> p   zekr                            - Quranic Study Tool
[08:20] <DanaG> hmm.
[08:20] <DanaG> Cool, broadening horizons.
[08:23] <rbanffy> IntuitiveNipple: Well... Stonerview (the electropaint-like thingie) uses OpenGL - barcode worked just fine. Now, what was the OpenGL problem you mentioned?
[08:24] <IntuitiveNipple> rbanffy: There are issues with some openGL 3D apps, such as screen-savers, but its mostly with nvidia as far as I know
[08:25] <rbanffy> I am out of luck. Not only that, but my computer uses a Sis display controller
[08:25] <rbanffy> Isn't Sis OpenGL software-only?
[08:25] <tekhawk> i have that issue where x will reboot when ever i run full screen opengl app
[08:25] <contrast83> rbanffy: Sorry if I missed this, but does glxgears run?
[08:25] <rbanffy> Or, at least mine
[08:25] <rbanffy> contrast83: full screen?
[08:26] <contrast83> at all
[08:26] <rbanffy> It runs.
[08:26] <contrast83> slow?
[08:26] <rbanffy> 831 frames in 5.0 seconds = 164.838 FPS
[08:27] <tekhawk> hey KDEnLive i have that it does not seem to let me cut mpeg files all i get is green screen anyone have an idea there
[08:27] <IntuitiveNipple> m1ke: You mean you want to tile 4 videos into one? you might want to check out Cinelerra
[08:27] <m1ke> IntuitiveNipple, yes that is what I want to do
[08:28] <tekhawk> cinelerra is nice
[08:28] <IntuitiveNipple> m1ke: I'm not sure if cinelerra can do it, but I'm pretty sure Kino doesn't
[08:28] <contrast83> rbanffy: not really sure then. i had some faulty opengl lib's i had to reinstall a couple weeks ago and that fixed me up, but i'm thinking glxgears wouldn't even run when i had that problem
[08:29] <rbanffy> Well... I can live with 2D screensavers for now
[08:29] <contrast83> rbanffy: you said intel, right?
[08:29] <rbanffy> contrast83: Sis
[08:30] <contrast83> no, i mean your graphics card
[08:30] <rbanffy> contrast83: I mean it. It's a Sis
[08:30] <contrast83> ohh
[08:30] <contrast83> sorry, heh
[08:30] <rbanffy> contrast83: I know. It's _that_ bad
[08:30] <contrast83> lol
[08:30] <tekhawk> what is a Sis lol
[08:30] <DanaG> SiS.
[08:31] <DanaG> glxinfo on sis == crash Xorg.
[08:31] <DanaG> Ouch.
[08:31] <rbanffy> contrast83: On the bright side, this is my backup notebook. On the dark side, the main one was stolen.
[08:31] <contrast83> i've got an onboard savage in my old clunker. it's horrible. i finally plunked $40 down on ebay and got a 256mb nvidia
[08:31] <contrast83> ouch
[08:31] <DanaG> I have a TwisterK (also savage-based) in an old laptop.
[08:31] <rbanffy> contrast83: Yeah. that really sycked
[08:31] <rbanffy> sucked
[08:31] <DanaG> It can do xfwm4 compositing, but nothing more.
[08:32] <rbanffy> Let's try glxinfo. See you after the crash.
[08:32] <DanaG> Put it into a file.
[08:32] <DanaG> glxinfo > glxinfo.txt
[08:32] <DanaG> or something like that.
[08:32] <rbanffy> No. It did spit a lot of info
[08:32] <contrast83> i don't understand how a company can go out of business and still refuse to open-source their old drivers. what dicks.
[08:33] <rbanffy> contrast83: Come on... Maybe they licensed parts of their code from someone who is still in business (at least as an IP troll)
[08:33] <contrast83> hrmm...
[08:34] <rbanffy> contrast83: In that case, it's still possible they never had the source
[08:34] <tekhawk> is there a video editor in repo that can cut mpegs
[08:34] <contrast83> avidemux is in the repos isn't it?
[08:35] <tekhawk> contrast83: desc on that is avi and divx
[08:36] <contrast83> whoops, sorry
[08:41] <contrast83> no, it works for mpeg's.
[08:41] <winbond> how can i change the lag bar in xchat so it shows a number?
[08:41] <tekhawk> contrast83: hey it worked lol any idea why the mpeg doesnt have video under vlc though
[08:41] <contrast83> blue screen?
[08:42] <tekhawk> vlc = no screen lol
[08:42] <tekhawk> totem seems to be fine though oddly
[08:42] <rbanffy> Well, folks. It's time to get back to work. Thanks for the help
[08:43] <contrast83> weird. are they both using the same engine?
[08:43] <contrast83> np, good luck, rbanffy
[08:43] <rbanffy> contrast83: It _will_ be solved by the time Gutsy gets released. I have faith ;-)
[08:44] <tekhawk> contrast83: dont think so
[08:44] <contrast83> no doubt
[08:44] <contrast83> tekhawk: that's probably it then
[08:44] <tekhawk> vlc is its own engine totem is xine
[08:45] <tekhawk> vlc seems to have better sucess rate lol
[08:45] <tekhawk> guess im back to two media players
[08:46] <contrast83> i just started using SMPlayer a couple days ago. I've been very pleased thus far
[08:47] <contrast83> The Xine engine doesn't like most of my videos (scrambled output), and Kaffeine screws up left and right when you select the MPlayer engine
[08:48] <tekhawk> contrast83: do you kno0w what the hell is up with the idx files??
[08:49] <contrast83> I think you can just remove them after you're done. It just needs them when you're editing
[08:49] <tekhawk> ah
[08:50] <contrast83> Oh, sweet...
[08:50] <tekhawk> ??
[08:50] <contrast83> If you open multiple mpegs, it automatically asks if you'd like to append them
[08:51] <tekhawk> nice
[08:53] <tekhawk> ok mp4 bad idea
[08:54] <tekhawk> ill have to mess with that more later lol
[08:55] <tekhawk> try ogm really fast lol
[08:56] <contrast83> no surprise there
[08:56] <contrast83> open standards do wonders
[08:57] <tekhawk> works great on vlc plus vlc is on the windows pc i never touch i think we have a winner
[08:57] <contrast83> cool
[08:58] <tekhawk> thank you btw well im off to see if the new steam patch broke me again
[08:58] <contrast83> no problem. peace
[09:29] <knix> Is my vision going bad or has the AA in gutsy changed recently
[09:30] <knix> I'm still using all th esame subpixel settings
[09:31] <contrast83> seems the same to me
[09:32] <pwnguin> knix: i hear it changed a bit
[09:32] <pwnguin> DanaG wont shut up about it
[09:33] <knix> haha
[09:33] <Trewas> knix: it changed yes, and caused some controversy
[09:33] <knix> ok
[09:33] <knix> I just wanted to make sure it wasn't me. rofl
[09:33] <knix> It's definately softer :P
[09:33] <knix> Is there somethign on launchpad I can see about the change?
[09:34] <Trewas> there's a thread "freetype changes" in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-September/thread.html
[09:34] <knix> ty
[09:35] <knix> hey, I actually subscribe to that list :D
[09:35] <knix> I tend to ignore it because it's incredibly low traffic
[09:35] <knix> ANd then I ignore bugs@ because it's incredibly high traffic :(
[09:36] <knix> Well, ty, I'll read it :)
[10:02] <slytherin> Is anyone using official eclipse with gutsy? I am enable to start it since yesterday.
[10:02] <slytherin> s/enable/unable
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, I do, on 64-bit
[10:05] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Are you getting same problem?
[10:05] <IntuitiveNipple> no
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> have you tried moving your workspace or ~/.eclipse out the way?
[10:28] <petezzz> Anyone know whether the Gutsy ISO image will be reduced from 713MB to 700MB so it fits on a standard CD ? I'm not able to test it at the moment
[10:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Soon
[10:28] <IntuitiveNipple> pitti is talking right now about having 32-bit at 700MB and 64-bit at 702MB
[10:30] <petezzz> OK, Thanks - I'll check back in a week or so, probably for Beta.
[10:33] <kurros> hehe, it took me a bit to realize the .OVERSIZED file the first time that bit me
[10:33] <kurros> i thought i'd save time getting the cd image instead of the dvd
[10:33] <kurros> ha ha
[10:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I burn the CD image to DVD, so I never noticed until someone said
[10:34] <AnAnt> Hello
[10:35] <AnAnt> Hello, I think there's a bug in virtual console
[10:36] <AnAnt> when I logout, I don't get a login prompt again
[10:37] <Richie> Hi, since i installed gutsy on my laptop the internal subwoofer has stopped working. The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 9400. Anyone know how i can fix?
[10:39] <IntuitiveNipple> You should check the bug reports on launchpad, and if there isn't one for that already, create one
[10:39] <Tomcat_> Richie: In volume mixer, you can check which channels appear.
[10:40] <Tomcat_> Richie: You have to try out, there should be some switch for subwoofer or bass.
[10:40] <Tomcat_> Richie: Just enable it, or turn it up. Problem is to find out which setting. ;)
[10:40] <Richie> Tomcat: Every option is unmuted, everyone is maxed
[10:41] <Richie> It was there once, and it was called LFE...but now its dissappeared and never come back
[10:43] <Tomcat_> Richie: And you enabled all the other sound card settings to be shown?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> Richie: Because LFE might just be that setting.
[10:44] <Richie> but LFE has dissappeared now
[10:44] <Richie> i got Edit > preferences and LFE isn't an option to tick anymore
[10:45] <Tomcat_> :I
[10:45] <Tomcat_> Something else maybe?
[11:14] <phaidros> ok, now on gutsy, is it recommended to run AIGLX or XGL with ati (not fglrx!) ?
[11:15] <phaidros> because as is (AIGLX still from feisty configured and XGL server started by default) it is damn slow ..
[11:17] <jussi01> phaidros: i expect #ubuntu-effects may have a better answer for you. but someone here may know
[11:18] <magical_trevsky> phaidros, is your card one of the older ones which supports 3d acceleration with the ati/radeon driver?
[11:21] <phaidros> magical_trevsky: partly, its an rv350 which *should* be supported fully with xorg 7.3+
[11:21] <phaidros> so far I have 3d acceleration with radeon/ati since dapper/edgy/feisty
[11:22] <magical_trevsky> ah
[11:22] <phaidros> but some features were always missing (like some features googleearth is using)
[11:22] <magical_trevsky> yeah, I used to have an old radeon, and it never ran google earth right :<
[11:22] <magical_trevsky> but for that card, if it works with AIGLX, I'd ditch XGL
[11:23] <phaidros> so. lets say radeon supports my card fully. should I use xserver-xgl and compiz? or stay back and go with AIGLX and beryl? or is beryl deprecated now?
[11:23] <magical_trevsky> beryl and compiz have merged back again to become compiz-fusion afaik
[11:25] <magical_trevsky> so I'd say go with AIGLX unless you want to use fglrx in which case you have no choice but to use xgl
[11:25] <phaidros> hm. I'm just wondering about "enabled effects" in gnome appearance settings which don't work right now for me .. I think this triggers compiz effects ..
[11:25] <w00t> hi, I've a small problem with one of my panels. It's set as transparent, which is okay. But some applets in there are not transparent (window list, clock). Any ideas?
[11:25] <phaidros> does compiz depend on XGL?
[11:25] <contrast83> no
[11:26] <magical_trevsky> phaidros, compiz works with both xgl and aiglx
[11:26] <phaidros> kewl
[11:26] <contrast83> xgl is for getting direct rendering on cards that don't otherwise support it
[11:26] <phaidros> so I kick xserver-xgl then :)
[11:26] <phaidros> contrast83: so XGL is foo if AIGLX works?
[11:27] <contrast83> some people say it works better than aiglx, i've yet to see any evidence of that though
[11:27] <contrast83> i think you *can* use it even if you don't have to, but i personally wouldn't
[11:27] <slytherin> phaidros: compiz + ati works fine for me in gutsy.
[11:28] <contrast83> is the catalyst driver in the repos, or is it going to be before gutsy goes stable?
[11:31] <phaidros> slytherin: thanks :)
[11:31] <secher_> hey guys.. anyone have a DELL xps m1330 ? Im having some problems, and when i look around the forums and google, theres not much help to get..
[11:32] <secher_> im missing sound, and card reader..
[11:32] <magical_trevsky> secher_, Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) < is that your card? (lspci | grep -i audio)
[11:33] <slytherin> secher_: Which card reader?
[11:33] <secher_> yes
[11:33] <magical_trevsky> secher_, ok, you need to compile the latest version of alsa for that (I have the same card), i'll get you a link ;o
[11:33] <secher_> slytherin -> its the standard one in the laptop, i cant get a model number or anything on it :S
[11:34] <magical_trevsky> secher_, ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/alsa/snapshot/driver
[11:34] <slytherin> magical_trevsky: Why not provide him with a package instead. :-)
[11:34] <secher_> cool! thanks a lot magical_trevsky!
[11:34] <slytherin> secher_: lspci should tell you a lot. Paste the output of command 'lspci' somewhere
[11:34] <magical_trevsky> slytherin, ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-cards=hda-intel
[11:35] <magical_trevsky> slytherin, then make and sudo make install
[11:35] <magical_trevsky> slytherin, then in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, add the line "options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba"
[11:36] <magical_trevsky> but bear in mind that everytime the kernel gets updated, you're gonna have to repeat those steps, until ubuntu's official alsa packages catch up
[11:37] <slytherin> magical_trevsky: You are giving the instructions to wrong person. :-)
[11:37] <magical_trevsky> slytherin, haha, oops! :p
[11:38] <magical_trevsky> secher_, those commands were meant for you!
[11:39] <secher_> yep, i got that figured ;)
[11:39] <magical_trevsky> lol
[11:40] <magical_trevsky> on that line in alsa-base, you might need to try different model= values btw.. toshiba works perfectly for me (it's not a toshiba laptop btw), and acer worked mostly, so just give different ones a go
[11:40] <w00t> I've a small problem with one of my panels. It's set as transparent, which is okay. But some applets in there are not transparent (window list, clock). Any ideas?
[11:41] <secher_> i cant install that alsa thing though :S
[11:41] <magical_trevsky> secher_, why not?
 slytherin, ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-cards=hda-intel <- that part wont work..
[11:42] <magical_trevsky> have you installed build-essential?
[11:42] <secher_> probably not, (im very new to linux)
[11:43] <magical_trevsky> ah, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:43] <magical_trevsky> do that, then try the configure again
[11:44] <magical_trevsky> i've gotta run into town now though, so if you need any more help from me mr secher_, leave me a query or something :>
[11:44] <secher_> cool thanks for your help..
[11:47] <etienne> hi
[11:47] <etienne> i have some problem with latest ati driver
[11:48] <etienne> am i on the right place to talk about it ?
[11:50] <contrast83> etienne: Are you using Gutsy?
[11:51] <etienne> yes sir !
[11:51] <etienne> :)
[11:51] <etienne> i mage a dist-upgrade yesterday
[11:51] <etienne> and now i cannot have my 1400*1050*75 resolution
[11:52] <w00t> I've a small problem with one of my panels. It's set as transparent, which is okay. But some applets in there are not transparent (window list, clock). Any ideas? anyone?
[11:55] <contrast83> w00t: KDE/GNOME?
[11:58] <w00t> contrast83: GNOME.
[12:03] <contrast83> w00t: sorry, not sure then. are you using Compiz?
[12:08] <etienne> sorry
[12:08] <etienne> my X exploded
[12:09] <etienne> so i cannot have a 1400x1050x75Hz resolution since my yesterday dist-upgrade
[12:09] <etienne> i'em using ati driver (not fglrx)
[12:11] <contrast83> etienne: the new ati driver gave me some issues, so i downgraded to the old one
[12:12] <contrast83> etienne: if you want to do that, you'll have to manually download it from the page and "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/driver.deb" as it's no longer in the package lists (i.e., you're package manager won't see it)
[12:12] <etienne> i cannot find it in my cache archive
[12:12] <etienne> contrast83: so which page ?
[12:12] <contrast83> umm... hang on...
[12:13] <w00t> contrast83: yes and no, it happens both with and without compiz
[12:14] <w00t> (sorry, I'm trying to work at the same time as diagnosing my problems. :))
[12:15] <contrast83> w00t: i was just gonna suggest you set the dock's opacity in CompizConfig Settings Manager (General Settings -> Opacity Values or something like that)
[12:16] <w00t> contrast83: would work in compiz, but not in metacity. hmm. I don't get why they randomly decide they don't want to be transparent.
[12:19] <contrast83> etienne: the one i'm using doesn't seem to be there anymore. you can check here though, and see if there's another version you can use - http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/
[12:19] <contrast83> maybe certain applets don't support it?
[12:21] <Xemanth> anybody using svn konversation and has .deb package for it ?
[12:21] <contrast83> wtffffffffffffffffffff
[12:22] <contrast83> i can't go to web pages whose url's end in .html
[12:22] <contrast83> lol
[12:23] <Eq|work> nice
[12:23] <Eq|work> :P
[12:24] <contrast83> pfft, yeah, awesome
[12:25] <nanonyme> contrast83, erm?
[12:25] <nanonyme> which browser?
[12:25] <contrast83> konqueror and firefox
[12:26] <contrast83> both are treating the page like it's a file i'd want to save. i just told firefox to open it with firefox, so it saves it to a temporary file and then lets me open it
[12:26] <secher_> im trying to install the newest alsa driver, but i get this error when i try to ./configure.... "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" can anyone help?
[12:27] <nanonyme> contrast83, so what does eg http://www.google.fi/index.html give you?
[12:27] <nanonyme> ah
[12:27] <nanonyme> mime problems, most likely...
[12:27] <contrast83> hmm... well, ok
[12:27] <contrast83> that one's fine
[12:28] <contrast83> could you check this site for me? http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/index.html
[12:30] <Eq|work> secher_ : apt-get install build-essential
[12:31] <Eq|work> contrast83 : same here. dodgy setup on the server.
[12:31] <Eq|work> as nanonyme said, likely mime
[12:31] <contrast83> Whew. Thanks
[12:31] <Eq|work> panic over? :P
[12:31] <contrast83> Yeah. Heh, thanks
[12:32] <Eq|work> contrast83 : mime types on the server.
[12:32] <Eq|work> not client
[12:32] <Eq|work> in this case it's probably a misconfigured apache
[12:33] <secher_> thanks eq|work!
[12:33] <Eq|work> np
[12:36] <contrast83> Eq|work: i know, but i'm just wondering
[12:37] <contrast83> i.e., in case i *do* screw them up on my system somehow
[12:37] <snadge> i just built a new core2 system at work, and on monday i'm going to be installing ubuntu 64 on it.. a friend of mine told me its a bit broken to dist-upgrade from a stock feisty install at the moment?
[12:39] <Tomcat_> snadge: Yes, because gutsy is not final yet.
[12:40] <snadge> yeah it just irritates me to install ubuntu 7.04 64bit when gutsy is just round the corner ;)
[12:40] <snadge> its got an 8600gt in it too.. and i want to use compiz and all the goodies
[12:41] <w00t> I don't suppose anyone else would know why my GNOME window list applet isn't transparent like the rest of my panel? :)
[12:42] <snadge> does the 64 bit version actually run any better on a 64 bit system or what?
[12:42] <Tomcat_> snadge: Should, but I've not seen benchmarks.
[12:43] <snadge> i've heard it also depends on amd or intel
[12:43] <snadge> the amds seem to like it more?
[12:45] <contrast83> the benchmarks i've seen indicated differences of some whopping tenths of seconds here and there
[12:45] <magical_trevsky> secher_, got it going yet?!
[12:45] <contrast83> 64-bit isn't worth the hassle yet (e.g., not being able to easily find certain software for your arch)
[12:45] <secher_> almost :)
[12:45] <magical_trevsky> :>
[12:45] <ikonia> contrast83: I think that depends on your needs and wants
[12:46] <contrast83> sorry, i forgot to add the IMO to that statement. :-P
[12:46] <ikonia> no no, your opinion is valid, but it depends on the users needs and wants
[12:47] <contrast83> i think the few tenths of seconds you save when doing certain tasks are going to be eaten up by the extra time you spend looking for 64-bit deb's, but then, like you said, i'm sure there are some people on 64-bit who can easily find all they need
[12:48] <contrast83> but then, what do i know? i'm still using pentium 4's on my main two computers. :-P
[12:48] <secher_> magical_trevsky now it tells me that they the alsa mixers are muted by default, but they dont look muted, and i still dont have sound...
[12:48] <ikonia> contrast83 its not a few tenths for certain tasks, thats what I mean about the users need
[12:48] <magical_trevsky> secher_, you have to reboot
[12:49] <magical_trevsky> secher_, then turn up all your volume controls and cross your fingers :)
[12:49] <secher_> oki :D brb
[12:49] <contrast83> ikonia: from the benchmarks i saw, on phoronix or arstechnica i believe, yeah, it was a few tenths of seconds for certain tasks
[12:50] <contrast83> *maybe* 1 or 2 seconds, but then, 32-bit was actually ever so slightly faster than 64-bit on one or two tasks as well. go figure
[12:51] <ikonia> contrast83 for general desktop usage - you will not see an improvment
[12:51] <ikonia> for work such as video encoding, rendering, music ripping, virtualisation you'll see a big jump in general
[12:52] <ikonia> but the hassle of things like flash plugin for 64 bit - is not worth it, so it depend on the users requirments, programming/rednering/art/video = big plus against hassle of desktop usage no benfits and things like flash and codecs
[12:52] <ikonia> its quite a personal choice rather than generic
[12:53] <contrast83> honestly, that's what i was thinking. then i saw those benchmarks.
[12:53] <contrast83> i'm gonna try and find that page. brb
[12:53] <ikonia> bench marks are easy to manipulate
[12:53] <secher_> alright then, something happened..
[12:53] <secher_> now it is muted, and i cant unmute :)
[12:54] <secher_> in system -> prefs -> sound i dont have any mixer tracks..
[01:00] <phaidros> does anyone know if mergedFB is removed from radeon/ati ? and how to configure randr for dualhead?
[01:01] <ikonia> phaidros don't think it works dual head
[01:02] <contrast83> ikonia: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=2
[01:02] <contrast83> ikonia: it's a little older than i was thinking though
[01:04] <secher_> magical_trevsky, it looks a lot better.. but im not sure which mixer tracks to use..
[01:04] <magical_trevsky> secher_, in a console, run alsamixer
[01:04] <magical_trevsky> and turn everything up to full
[01:04] <magical_trevsky> then check both your headphone socket and the built in speakers to see if either work
[01:04] <magical_trevsky> if not, you'll need to try a different model in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:07] <secher_> YEEEEEES!!!
[01:07] <magical_trevsky> got it? :>
[01:08] <secher_> i got it!
[01:08] <magical_trevsky> :D
[01:09] <secher_> thank you so much!
[01:09] <magical_trevsky> no problem
[01:09] <magical_trevsky> however, whenever you upgrade the kernel, you need to repeat the ./configure, make and make install commands
[01:09] <magical_trevsky> so you might wanna jot those down for future reference
[01:10] <dooglus> how can I install package 'qgit' in feisty?
[01:10] <magical_trevsky> but hopefully ubuntu's packages'll catch up soon and you won't need to do that :>
[01:10] <GHuser> Good Day! I have a question - I am adding a repo for gutsy into /etc/apt/source.list, thed do sudo update-manager -d
[01:11] <GHuser> Is it right way to updating to gutsy with kubuntu?
[01:13] <nanonyme> contrast83, Content-Type: application/octet-stream
[01:13] <nanonyme> contrast83, indeed, the server sends definitely the wrong content type for the page
[01:13] <contrast83> got cha
[01:13] <nanonyme> that content type tells the browser "don't even try to handle this file, offer the user to save it"
[01:14] <nanonyme> nice to know HTTP protocol, you can ask that kind of stuff quite easily...
[01:15] <nanonyme> i prefer HTTP/1.0 though. luckily the server played nice with that :)
[01:20] <contrast83> cool, thanks for the info
[01:24] <phaidros> ikonia: randr2 can do dual head .. but gnome or compiz seems having problems now :)
[01:25] <nanonyme> contrast83, if you want to check that kind of stuff, just use netcat -> "nc www.server.com 80" and tell it "HEAD /foo.html HTTP/1.0*enter*Connection: close*enter**enter*"
[01:25] <nanonyme> *enter* naturally being keypress
[01:26] <nanonyme> dunno if there's a program for that but considering how easy that is after you get it, might not be necessary
[01:26] <contrast83> sweet, thanks
[01:27] <stdin> or, just install "libwww-perl" and do "HEAD http://www.foo.com/bar.html"
[01:27] <stdin> less typing ;)
[01:29] <nanonyme> yeah, that's be the program...
[01:29] <nanonyme> that'd even
[01:30] <nanonyme> stdin, and LWP is likely safer anyway considering i assume it uses HTTP/1.1
[01:32] <stdin> yeah
[01:33] <stdin> it comes with GET too, I _sometimes_ use it instead of "wget -O - ", probably because I'm lazy :p
[01:38] <nanonyme> stdin, i just curl
[01:39] <stdin> I use GET when I don't want the status of the download shown, like when looking at the html code with less
[01:39] <nanonyme> ah
[01:39] <nanonyme> apparently curl -I does just that
[01:39] <nanonyme> that is, HEAD
[01:40] <nanonyme> so like curl -I http://www.google.fi/index.html
[01:41] <nanonyme> whereas curl http://www.google.fi/index.html would print the file ^^
[02:04] <ConstyXIV> does anyone else have NetworkManager segfaulting when it tries to connect?
[02:08] <AnAnt> Hello, after updating gutsy 2 days ago, the vertical scroll of my touchpad doesn't work anymore
[02:08] <AnAnt> anyone else has this problem ?
[02:09] <kim_> Hey! I'm running gutsy and trying to get my vx rev. mouse to work..the first problem is that xev don't work..it's just blank..anything special I have to do?
[02:10] <jussi01> AnAnt: a lot of people have been complaining about it. I dont know the fix though.
[02:11] <AnAnt> jussi01: is it reported on LP ?
[02:11] <jussi01> AnAnt: I would imagine so, however I havent looked as im running a desktop.
[02:13] <kim_> don't know if you were talking about someting else before I came, but were you talking to me? xev not working is a common problem?
[02:14] <jussi01> kim_: no, i was talking to AnAnt, as his nick is prefixed to my comment...
[02:18] <unggnu> hi all
[02:18] <AnAnt> kim_: after updating gutsy 2 days ago, the vertical scroll of my touchpad doesn't work anymore
[02:18] <unggnu> Somebody here with an Intel graphic card and a working Suspend?
[02:18] <unggnu> AnAnt, easy fix, go to mouse settings and enable it
[02:19] <unggnu> AnAnt, tab Touchpad
[02:19] <AnAnt> unggnu: oh, thanks
[02:19] <unggnu> AnAnt, np, I had the same question some days ago :)
[02:20] <kim_> my bad..didn't see the prefix! but anyone know how to get xev working?
[02:21] <ConstyXIV> has anyone else had network manager crashing all over the place recently?
[02:22] <unggnu> ConstyXIV, After boot?
[02:23] <ConstyXIV> unggnu: pretty much.  i log in, it tries to connect, and gives sig 11.  same thing if i run it in a console, with --no-daemon
[02:23] <AnAnt> ok, there's another problem as reported in #141455
[02:24] <unggnu> ConstyXIV, I only know the bug that nm-applet isn't shown after boot
[02:24] <unggnu> ConstyXIV, could be fixed through sudo killall wpa_supplicant && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart
[02:24] <ConstyXIV> unggnu: that's because networkmanager is crashing
[02:24] <AnAnt> when I log out on a virtual console 'tty[1-6] ', I don't get a login prompt again on this console
[02:24] <AnAnt> anyone knows solution for this ?
[02:24] <unggnu> ConstyXIV, I know.
[02:31] <unggnu> Somebody here with an Intel graphic card and a working Suspend?
[02:34] <AnAnt> qui
[02:38] <unggnu> qui?
[02:46] <gnomefreak> anyone else notice the taskbar icons in gnome moved to the right of the time?
[02:47] <unggnu> gnomefreak, yes, often
[02:47] <unggnu> in Feisty too
[02:47] <unggnu> really annoying
[02:49] <gnomefreak> unggnu: ok ty ill work on it when i have a minute
[02:50] <gnomefreak> unggnu: moving the taskbar fixes it for now
[02:51] <unggnu> gnomefreak, Taskbar is stable for me but not the upper panel
[02:52] <unggnu> icon often changes position
[02:53] <gnomefreak> unggnu: the n-m and update-manager are together on the panel (thinking name is taskbar but its still early for me)
[02:56] <unggnu> gnomefreak, Not only systray, even the "Show Search entry" icon and the user changer often changes position
[02:57] <gnomefreak> unggnu: that i dont have everything else works fine for me
[02:58] <branstrom> Is there a way to enable a minimum padding between icons in the panel?
[02:58] <branstrom> I think it should be 2 pixels or something by default.
[02:59] <unggnu> branstrom, isn't there already something like that?
[03:00] <acemo> ohh this is scary.. i upgrade my packages and suddenly dolphin is the default file manager
[03:00] <branstrom> unggnu: where?
[03:00] <_lemsx1_> acemo: umm... i wonder what's dolphin
[03:00] <LjL> !info dolphin
[03:00] <branstrom> I can't find it if it's there
[03:00] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1259 kB, installed size 2464 kB
[03:00] <unggnu> branstrom, no option, I have never seen overlapping icons in panel
[03:00] <unggnu> afk
[03:01] <_lemsx1_> LjL: yep. found it on google. KDE stuff...
[03:01] <acemo> i know what dolphin is, but i like konqueror more
[03:01] <branstrom> Overlapping? No, minimum padding so that there's always at least 2 pixels between any two icons
[03:01] <branstrom> is what I'm talking about
[03:01] <etienne> back
[03:02] <LjL> acemo: right click on a folder, select "Open with", select "Other", select "Konqueror" and tick "Remember association"
[03:02] <etienne> so is anybody know where i can find the  xserver-xorg-video-ati package which was used last week ?
[03:02] <etienne> cos the one used this week is particulary weird
[03:03] <acemo> LjL: thanks
[03:03] <branstrom> unggnu: http://www.collaborium.org/onsite/jos2000/related/guides/gnome/confglobal.html seems to have an option for it called "Applet Padding"
[03:04] <branstrom> How do I access the "global panel configuration"?
[03:09] <Doctor_Nick> :)
[03:10] <branstrom> It doesn't exist anymore, or what?
[03:10] <branstrom> Can't find it anywhere.
[03:11] <etienne> anyone has an idea for my problem ?
[03:14] <edgy> Hi, to which extent is gutsy gibbon usable now? are there serious issues?
[03:14] <_lemsx1_> edgy: very usable. no issues here
[03:14] <unggnu> edgy, what is serious :)
[03:15] <edgy> nice I would try it then
[03:15] <_lemsx1_> unggnu: jeje!
[03:15] <_lemsx1_> edgy: somethings (3rd party apps) don't work.. but hey...
[03:15] <edgy> _lemsx1_: 3rd party like what? flash?
[03:16] <_lemsx1_> edgy: flash, vmware, azureus (2.5), etc
[03:16] <_lemsx1_> edgy: flash crashes firefox (on my PC) every once in a while
[03:17] <_lemsx1_> edgy: vmware dislikes new kernel headers (fix online somewhere)... and you get the idea... azureus 3.x works
[03:17] <edgy> _lemsx1_: thanks for the clarification
[03:18] <_lemsx1_> edgy: no problem
[03:18] <unggnu> _lemsx1_, I had the flash issue with youtube videos but it seems to be gone
[03:19] <_lemsx1_> unggnu: all by itself?
[03:19] <unggnu> edgy, If you use no new intel graphic driver it works fine but updates can sometimes break gnome configuration manager or something  like that
[03:19] <_lemsx1_> unggnu: i wonder if it's because firefox is too new and the flash9 plugin needs updating...?
[03:19] <nanonyme> hehe
[03:19] <unggnu> _lemsx1_, Don't know, but it happens nearly everytime after closing a tab with a youtube video
[03:19] <nanonyme> and i'm already waiting for firefox3...
[03:19] <_lemsx1_> unggnu: exactly!
[03:20] <_lemsx1_> unggnu: that used to happen a long time ago on older versions of Flash
[03:21] <edgy> unggnu: I am using Intel 945 chipset does this cause a problem?
[03:21] <unggnu> edgy, It works but has some problems with the new driver, at least on some configurations
[03:21] <edgy> unggnu: problems like what?
[03:21] <unggnu> edgy, Does your suspend work fine?
[03:21] <unggnu> edgy, Freeze
[03:22] <edgy> unggnu: Umm! thanks
[03:22] <unggnu> edgy, This doesn't happen with i810
[03:22] <unggnu> if you can live with this
[03:22] <unggnu> Compiz has become really stable
[03:23] <unggnu> only this two intel driver issues have to be gone, than nothing to grouse about
[03:23] <edgy> unggnu: actually my current driver for that chipset is i810 and I didn't know there is another driver
[03:23] <unggnu> edgy, There is but you have to install a new package in Feisty.
[03:23] <unggnu> This isn't needed in Gutsy anymore.
[03:23] <unggnu> edgy, Does your suspend work fine? :)
[03:24] <unggnu> edgy, I have installed Gutsy several weeks ago for testing but I use it now all the time instead of Feisty.
[03:24] <branstrom> Anyone with an nvidia card and compiz fusion?
[03:25] <edgy> unggnu: yes it works fine
[03:25] <unggnu> because it has no bugs you can't live with atm and it is still possible to use i810
[03:25] <unggnu> edgy, Cool, than you can test something.
[03:25] <unggnu> edgy, Do you want to upgrade or reinstall?
[03:25] <branstrom> If you try some 3D screensaver, does it freeze every two seconds?
[03:25] <unggnu> branstrom, Which driver?
[03:25] <edgy> unggnu: which is bettter?
[03:25] <branstrom> unggnu: hold on
[03:25] <unggnu> edgy, new installation, better sepparte partition
[03:25] <edgy> branstrom: yes it freezes with some screensavers
[03:26] <edgy> unggnu: ok I will download now ...
[03:26] <unggnu> edgy, I guess upgrade isn't stable.
[03:26] <branstrom> edgy: and when you deactivate compiz it's okay, right?
[03:26] <branstrom> nvidia-glx-new
[03:26] <edgy> branstrom: don't know, how can I deactive it?
[03:27] <branstrom> edgy: System > Preferences > Appearance > Desktop Effects
[03:27] <edgy> branstrom: I am using kubuntu
[03:27] <branstrom> Oh, then I have no idea :)
[03:27] <unggnu> GLMatrix works fine for me
[03:27] <edgy> branstrom: but ps aux |grep compiz gives nothing so I don't think it's working
[03:28] <branstrom> edgy: huh?
[03:28] <branstrom> It's not on, but your screensaver is choppy anyways?
[03:29] <edgy> branstrom: yes
[03:29] <edgy> branstrom: some screensaver will freez the pc and I have to reboot and this is feisty not gutsy
[03:31] <unggnu> edgy, if you install Gutsy and acntivate intel driver instead of i810 could you please check this out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/141063 ?
[03:31] <branstrom> Oh, well I only have problems when compiz is active
[03:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New] 
[03:31] <gnomefreak> edgy: feisty support in #ubuntu
[03:31] <unggnu> gnomefreak, He wants to upgrade.
[03:31] <gnomefreak> oh
[03:31] <edgy> unggnu: sure
[03:32] <unggnu> edgy, The securest way is to install Gutsy on a separate partition.
[03:34] <branstrom> "Securest"? :) Sorry, I'm Swedish, but I'm not sure that word exists
[03:36] <hylje> most secure
[03:37] <unggnu> :)
[03:37] <unggnu> This exists in Pidgin ;)
[03:38] <branstrom> Where?
[03:38] <_lemsx1_> i like that word... securest
[03:38] <_lemsx1_> JEJE!
[03:39] <edgy> I am at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ but I see only the alternate CD, where is the standard one or am I confused?
[03:42] <dmakalsky> Hi, I ran my daily update today, and firefox is dumping core all over the place
[03:42] <Hobbsee> edgy: s/daily/daily-live/, but the dailies dont work
[03:42] <Hobbsee> wait a few more days, then you can test the beta.
[03:42] <edgy> Hobbsee: ok
[03:43] <edgy> thanks all the for the advice
[03:46] <dmakalsky> how do I revert to yest. build?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> meh
[04:03] <jussi01> hehe
[04:03] <jussi01> its too late for kids like you to be up, Hobbsee
[04:03] <jussi01> :P
[04:03] <MenZa> I seem to be having some problems with my touchpad; I can't tap it to click, and I can't scroll with it by swiping my finger on the right side of it, like I've been able to in Feisty. How would I reconfigure it? e.g. reconfiguring xserver-xorg
[04:04] <jussi01> MenZa: go to the mouse settings and turn it on again...
[04:04] <jussi01> iirc
[04:05] <ShackJack> Just curious - any Nvidia users out there still having issues with Fusion not starting?
[04:05] <slanning> yes, system->preferences->mouse - I had this problem, someone said an upgrade reinitialized the settings
[04:05] <MenZa> jussi01: *headdesk*
[04:05] <MenZa> jussi01: I didn't knwo about that feature
[04:05] <MenZa> jussi01: Is this new in Gutsy?
[04:09] <jussi01> lol
[04:13] <etienne> oupsss
[04:13] <etienne> sorry for join/part
[04:14] <etienne> i'm trying to make the latest ati driver working
[04:15] <_lemsx1_> etienne: ah, the Quijote is here...
[04:16] <_lemsx1_> etienne: you like fighting an irrational fight uh?
[04:31] <micro`> i used to be a gentoo user and im used to the news packages on my comp, gutsy has the most updates packages as i understand
[04:31] <micro`> is it _stable_ or it has alot of problems?
[04:31] <gnomefreak> micro`: yes but its not stable
[04:31] <gnomefreak> micro`: has a fair about is problems to date
[04:32] <micro`> i see, so if i want to keep my system up2date, with the most updated packages, i must upgrade to a unstable release?
[04:32] <penguincentral> micro`: gutsy has worked for me.  although sometimes updates do cause problems, bugfixers are quick to report bugs to launchpad.
[04:33] <gnomefreak> we are frozen atm so if you do have issues more than likely it will be more than a week before fixed (that is least amount of time)
[04:34] <penguincentral> micro`: that is a good question.   I assume so, seeing that ubuntu doesn't roll unstable updates through it's stable releases unlike debian.  play around with it and see what you think
[04:34] <penguincentral> gnomefreak: thanks
[04:34] <gnomefreak> yw
[04:35] <scizzo-> micro`: you can always look for backports
[04:35] <micro`> thanks :)
[04:35] <micro`> backports?
[04:35] <scizzo-> micro`: there can be people holding their own sites for updating stuff like "gimp from svn" version and so on
[04:36] <micro`> i see, thanks
[04:36] <penguincentral> now there is an idea for ubuntu: have a stable update and an unstable update
[04:36] <penguincentral> and do them seperately
[04:36] <ConstyXIV> can you remap the "menu" key to something useful?
[04:37] <DanaG> Yeah, you can map menu to things like Compose or AltGr.
[04:37] <DanaG> Other things may be a bit harder, needing xmodmap or something.
[04:37] <ConstyXIV> that's exactly what i want, but i don't know how to keep it from pulling up the menu
[04:37] <scizzo-> anyone has tried to use xgl with nvidia since a few days back? (with xinerama that is
[04:38] <gnomefreak> penguincentral: grumpy groundhog stopped devel if that is what you mean
[04:38] <ConstyXIV> DanaG: where do you go to remap the menu key?
[04:39] <DanaG> Keyboard preferences, if in gnome.
[04:39] <DanaG> Keyboard layout, if in KDE.
[04:39] <ConstyXIV> oh, i see now
[04:39] <penguincentral> gnomefreak: close, what i mean is in update manager, or synaptic whatever; have the function to switch between downloading only stable updates, or include the unstable ones as well
[04:42] <ConstyXIV> there we go
[04:42] <ConstyXIV> dedicated scale button ftw
[04:58] <gnomefreak> .win 2
[05:01] <CountX> today is my work all day cause i have  things due tomorrow that i havent worked on at all
[05:03] <etiennne> is anybody has the xserver-xorg-video-ati which was used las t week in gutsy ?
[05:04] <etiennne> before the 6.7.192-4 one
[05:15] <winbond> does anyone know how to change the lag bar into a number on xchat?
[05:23] <slanning> winbond: I have a number, but I don't see how it got that way :)
[05:24] <slanning> oh, under View -> Network Meters
[05:24] <winbond> slanning, u probably using the modded gnome version,
[05:25] <dmakalsky> Hi, after the latest updates today firefox no longer works
[05:25] <dmakalsky> I get a segfault each time I launch it
[05:25] <dmakalsky> anyone else having these issues?
[05:25] <slanning> winbond: it seems to be normal xchat 2.8.0
[05:26] <dmakalsky> I desperately need some help here please :)
[05:26] <slanning> apparently I don't have even the package xchat-xsys
[05:26] <leperkhanz> try firefox under wine?
[05:26] <winbond> slanning, if you're using gnome, they install a modded version by default
[05:26] <leperkhanz> never know?
[05:27] <slanning> wine, wtf - yuck
[05:27] <slanning> I have the packages xchat and xchat-common installed
[05:27] <CountX> !info wine
[05:27] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.42-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31957 kB, installed size 99904 kB
[05:28] <CountX> haha, i have wine 0.9.45
[05:28] <slanning> why are you convinced I have gnome installed, and why does it matter - I assume what I said doesn't help?
[05:36] <cps1966> somethings terribly wrong with this usb cam blocks out tvcard on boot
[05:41] <jerbear> what version of gnome is going to be in gutsy?
[05:42] <scizzo-> 2.20 I would guess
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> 2.20.0 is whats there now
[05:42] <jerbear> that's what i was hoping :)
[05:42] <jerbear> what about the kernel?
[05:42] <CountX> whats the kernel right now?
[05:42] <CountX> i have -11
[05:43] <jerbear> .23?
[05:43] <CountX> i dont know
[05:43] <scizzo-> 2.6.22 at the moment is what is used
[05:43] <CountX> whats the command to check again
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Linux Moo 2.6.22-11-generic #1 SMP Mon Sep 17 03:45:58 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:43] <jerbear> uname
[05:43] <CountX> nvm
[05:43] <CountX> ill just list the frimware folder
[05:43] <CountX> 2.6.22-11
[05:44] <jerbear> so that new cfs stuff isn't going to be there?
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> cfs ?
[05:45] <jerbear> the new scheduler
[05:45] <scizzo-> jerbear: .23 is still a development kernel on kernel.org
[05:46] <jerbear> oh right... i forgot about how they do the version number
[05:46] <scizzo-> latest _stable_ kernel is 2.6.22.6
[05:47] <scizzo-> jerbear: its the cpu scheduler you are talking about right?
[05:48] <scizzo-> jerbear: that had performance increasing on CPUs or something strange?
[05:48] <cps1966> huh i like all the debian bmps in boot
[05:51] <scizzo-> Word has it that CFS will not be added to Ubuntu Gutsy
[05:51] <scizzo-> from a howto I found about cfs in ubuntu
[05:52] <cps1966> 2.6.22.11-33 is latest
[05:54] <Trewas> changing the scheduler is not really user-visible change (except in some corner cases), so there's no much reason to backport it to gutsy's kernel
[05:56] <moopix> Hi, I have been fiddling with vmware-server and now my feisty has fallen over. When I boot I get error [5908000]  kernel panic-not syncing: Attempting to kill init. I am currently on the machine in question with a live CD. any ideas?
[05:56] <moopix> (I know this isnt feisty support but though you guys might be able to help:)
[05:56] <CountX> how do i submit a mirror for ubuntu?
[06:09] <magical_trevsky> moopix, can you boot the recovery kernel?
[06:11] <tarheelcoxn> hi. I'm trying to see if there's an existing bug in launchpad that would relate to my problem... maybe somebody in here could point me to the right place
[06:11] <tarheelcoxn> I pulled updates this morning and now I have no Xorg
[06:11] <tarheelcoxn> no _functional_ Xorg, I should say
[06:12] <roe> tarheelcoxn, what is the error
[06:13] <CountX> how can i remove the protection on a file
[06:13] <CountX> its root only, and i cant move it to a network machine
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> CountX,  what file? and what exactly are ya trying to do?
[06:13] <tarheelcoxn> roe: trying to find it. gdm claims to start okay if I <ctrl><alt>f1, log in, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> safe way.. use sudo and copy it to the users home dir. then chmod/chown the file. and let the user copy it over.
[06:13] <tarheelcoxn> but the screen flashes black several times and drops back
[06:14] <magical_trevsky> CountX, sudo chmod a+rw somefile
[06:14] <roe> at the CL type "startx"
[06:14] <roe> it should log the error on your terminal
[06:14] <magical_trevsky> tarheelcoxn, did you install proprietary video drivers yourself or using envy?
[06:15] <roe> if not head over to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:15] <tarheelcoxn> roe: I'm rsync'ing that file to another box to pastebin it now
[06:15] <tarheelcoxn> roe: thanks
[06:15] <jbroome> damn, i didn't realize envy was in the same league as automatix.  good to know
[06:15] <CountX> magical_trevsky: thanks bro'
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> jbroome,  well.. i dont think its that bad.. since it just does One thing. :)
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> it would be quite an acomplishment to be as bad as automatix.
[06:16] <magical_trevsky> if you used envy/installed the drivers yourself, and you updated your kernel, i'm pretty sure you'll have to recompile the kernel interface yourself
[06:16] <Pici> Its at least made by an Ubuntu member, but thats not an excuse.
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> right - ever new kernel update ya got to rerun the envy script
[06:16] <jbroome> oh yeah, i've had to rerun envy after a new kernel.  i'm ok with that
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Why do you need to use envy?  what video card ya got?
[06:17] <Pici> Gutsy's restricted drivers should provide everything that envy does (I think)
[06:17] <magical_trevsky> although the gutsy restricted manager dealie doesn't have the newest drivers (not sure if envy does either)
[06:17] <jbroome> oh, i haven't used it on gutsy.  things are fine there.  i do use it on my feisty machine (nvidia fx 5700le)
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> Newest? how new is newest anyway?
[06:18] <magical_trevsky> Dr_Willis, as in 2 days old
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> theres some reason you need the absoultest latest and newest? :)
[06:18] <jbroome> that is pretty new
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> I got my 8800 going with the restricted manager tool.
[06:18] <magical_trevsky> Dr_Willis, has bug fixes for the 8 series cards (I'm not using envy btw before you continue :p)
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Bah! we laugh at bugs! :0
[06:19] <magical_trevsky> Dr_Willis, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=851&num=1
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Unless of course they break things.
[06:19] <cps1966> hell i got 8800 gts going two weeks ago
[06:20] <magical_trevsky> yeah, the old drivers work, but not as well as they could
[06:20] <magical_trevsky> the newest ones fix alot of the problems
[06:20] <tarheelcoxn> roe: Xorg.0.log here: pastebin.ca/706055
[06:20] <tarheelcoxn> I'm confused as to why the last line is simply "Backtrace:"
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> I dont think i really need the latest drivers at this time. :)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> egads - that site needs MORE spammy adds and less actual content. :)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> these link-ads are getting out of controll.
[06:22] <roe> ugh, I hate ATI with a passion
[06:22] <tarheelcoxn> roe: amen
[06:23] <roe> I traded mine with a windows user for an nvidia card of lesser value and haven't looked back in almost 2yrs
[06:23] <tarheelcoxn> heh
[06:23] <tarheelcoxn> I did that with my desktop too
[06:24] <tarheelcoxn> but this is a T41 (thinkpad)
[06:24] <nemik> does the negative effect work for you guys?
[06:24] <winbond> does anyone know how to change the lag bar into a number on xchat?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> nemik,  yes it did when i was playing with it.
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> winbond,  used tobe a setting in the menus. may have been cleaned out by now. theres a lot of command line only options in xchat now a days.
[06:26] <tarheelcoxn> roe: output of lspci -vv is here: http://pastebin.ca/706067
[06:26] <winbond> Dr_Willis, hmm, i havent seen any option like that in the menu,  ikk kook up xchat commands , thanks
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> winbond,  witgh every new version of xchat. the thing has been loosing more and more settings/featutres it seems.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Often i find myself getting the 2.4 source and using it.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> I dont think the  right click/ignore nick menu item has worked in ages...
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. its been removed now. :)
[06:28] <winbond> Dr_Willis, the gnome version is really stripped down,
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> winbond,  the normal version is getting closer and closer to the gnome version it seems
[06:28] <gridl0ck> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] 
[06:29] <void^> amarok's memory usage increases by 700mb (rss) when connecting to an mtp device. :|
[06:32] <tarheelcoxn> anybody besides roe wanna help me take a look at why Xorg isn't working for me?
[06:32] <void^> and it goes down by 200mb when disconnecting...
[06:33] <void^> impressively enough, it goes up by another 700mb when connecting again.. good thing i'm doing this with 2gb memory :] 
[06:35] <hylje> what
[06:45] <CountX> is ubuntu the most popular distro?
[06:46] <soothsayer> CountX: How would you measure that/
[06:46] <soothsayer> ?
[06:46] <CountX> downloads?
[06:46] <_lemsx1_> CountX: even though the download numbers could be from people mirroring the ISOs?
[06:47] <soothsayer> CountX: It would seem to me to be difficult to account for all download sources (mirrors, torrents, replication)
[06:47] <_lemsx1_> CountX: i'd rather see numbers from the Linux Count site ;-)
[06:48] <CountX> linux count site?
[06:48] <soothsayer> CountX: distrowatch.org claims to measure page-rank hits and ranks Ubuntu #2.
[06:48] <soothsayer> CountX: ... behind PCLinuxOS, which I've never heard of.
[06:48] <jerbear> scizzo-: oh sorry, i was out of the office... yes, it was the cpu scheduler
[06:48] <CountX> lol
[06:50] <_lemsx1_> CountX: Linux Counter, sorry
[06:50] <Instabin> !emerald
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <cps1966> anyone know of app in ubuntu like ghost to transfer all my stuff to new drive
[06:50] <Instabin> any one know how to install emerald for compiz with the themes
[06:51] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: dd
[06:51] <cmpalmer> roe: tarheelcoxn == cmpalmer here. got more output from startx
[06:51] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ;-)
[06:51] <cps1966> i need boot sector and winxp plus kubuntu and home dir
[06:51] <cmpalmer> roe: lines after "Backtrace:"
[06:51] <cmpalmer> Backtrace:
[06:51] <cmpalmer> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[06:51] <cmpalmer> XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[06:52] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: dd gives you all
[06:52] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: then you will need to use gparted or something like that to grown the partitions correctly
[06:52] <cps1966> but this drive is twice the size
[06:53] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: just use rsync to migrate your home directory
[06:53] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: do a new install on the new machine, use rsync to pull from the old
[06:53] <CountX> i kinda wish linux was mainstream, so we could get more software
[06:53] <CountX> and games
[06:53] <cps1966> will i boot up without home though
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: it's not lack of software. it's the target audience of the software
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> we'll get ther
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: I'm not following you
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: what are you trying to accomplish again? new machine with data from old machine?
[06:55] <cps1966> no just new drive  but wd tools dont do rieserfs
[06:56] <cps1966> norton has ghost but i haven't used that in years
[06:57] <cps1966> used to be on floppy
[06:58] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: and I take it you don't have another machine to rsync your homedir off to?
[06:58] <cps1966> no
[06:58] <cps1966> just my sons but he has it almost full of games
[06:58] <benanzo> I accidently delete the Preferences menu from gnome -- now I only have Administration -- how do I get it back?
[06:58] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: you can have both drives in at once?
[06:59] <cps1966> yeah
[06:59] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: stick second drive in, boot from Knoppix or Ubuntu liveCD or somesuch, lay down the partitions you want
[07:00] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: then rsync from existing /home to new /home
[07:00] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: then pull the old drive, reboot with Ubuntu install CD
[07:00] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: use the _alternate_ installer
[07:00] <cps1966> how can i do boot sector though
[07:00] <tarheelcoxn> cps1966: and durint the partitioning step, tell it not to touch /home
[07:01] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: i have done what you are trying to do. dd will work. and then use gparted to resize
[07:01] <cps1966> i have lilo from mandriva on that
[07:01] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: unless your partitions are a mess...
[07:02] <cps1966> well they have been done many times its not the only drive i have i have 8 drives in all
[07:02] <cps1966> 4 pata and 4 sata
[07:03] <cps1966> i have old deathstar that i need to replace
[07:03] <cps1966> its running at 61C most of the time
[07:04] <moopix> magical_trevsky , no. I cant boot the recovery kenel either
[07:04] <benanzo> anyone know how to restore gnome menubar to default?
[07:05] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gnome
[07:05] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: or just / ;-)
[07:06] <benanzo> will that unset all my gnome settings or just menubar?  I accidentally deleted the Preferences menu, and can't figure out how to get it back
[07:06] <gttyz> Oh, i get a recap from a former irq session. This is just excellent!
[07:06] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: right-click on panel-> Add to panel-> menu
[07:07] <winbond> has anyone got azureus working, it worked fine in tibe4, it wont start in tribe5 with updates
[07:07] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: what i said will reset all the gnome stuff. you can use gconf-editor to know the exact path for the menu (panel)
[07:07] <_lemsx1_> winbond: yes, use azureus 3.0.1
[07:07] <_lemsx1_> winbond: 2.5 just doesn't work
[07:07] <winbond> x
[07:07] <winbond> x
[07:07] <benanzo> I've got the MenuBar on the panel, it just doesn't have a Preferences menu under System, only Administration and the help links
[07:08] <gttyz> "winbond", why the nick ?
[07:08] <winbond> gttyz, my nick?
[07:08] <gttyz> yeah
[07:08] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: wow. nice
[07:08] <winbond> gttyz, long story, came from xbox1 modding
[07:09] <_lemsx1_> benanzo: i'd just reset things like i said and put things back manually. but... there might be an easier way
[07:09] <benanzo> OK, thanks
[07:09] <gttyz> "winbond", hmm, ok... i hate the word "win" though, its got too much to do with loosing
[07:09] <jbroome> or losing
[07:10] <gttyz> looosing
[07:10] <gttyz> depends on the weight of the loss
[07:10] <winbond> gttyz, winbond manufactures memory/flash chips, has nothing to do with windows
[07:10] <gttyz> In our case the wins have been all but loos
[07:11] <gttyz> loss
[07:11] <gttyz> I know
[07:12] <gttyz> Anyone know how close samba4 is to full AD ?
[07:12] <winbond> _lemsx1_, im trying to run azureus 3.0.3 but i get ^M error, (dos line endings?) and dir not found (doesnt say which dir)
[07:13] <_lemsx1_> winbond: and it doesn't open at all?
[07:13] <cps1966> you have sun-java installed
[07:13] <_lemsx1_> winbond: what version of the sun-* package  you are using? 6 ?
[07:13] <winbond> _lemsx1_, nope
[07:14] <cps1966> it works with 6
[07:14] <cypherdelic> hey i cant change the color for tooltip background, in appeareance preferences > customize > colors. the boxes for tooltip is gray-crossed. any suggestions?
[07:14] <gttyz> jbroome; didint you feel like "a loooser" whilst on the wintedoh garbage ? (i sure did back in 86)
[07:14] <winbond> _lemsx1_, i have the latest sun6 java installed, and added the location to the azureus script, so i know its not java problem
[07:15] <_lemsx1_> winbond: i installed my azureus in /opt/azureus
[07:16] <_lemsx1_> winbond: and when i launch it, i call the full path: /opt/azurues/azureus
[07:16] <_lemsx1_> winbond: that works
[07:16] <gttyz> I only promote facts and for me they are the following:
[07:16] <_lemsx1_> winbond: anything else doesn't (unless you write a shell script that changes the directory to the right path and then calls the binary)
[07:16] <gttyz> Symantec is garbage
[07:16] <gttyz> HP rocks as well as Gestetner printers
[07:17] <winbond> _lemsx1_, did u install azureus with apt-get?
[07:17] <cypherdelic> hey i cant change the color for tooltip background, in appeareance preferences > customize > colors. the boxes for tooltip is gray-crossed. any suggestions?
[07:17] <gttyz> Fsecure is the best if you have windows boxxes (I hate antivirus personally and dpnt need it)
[07:17] <gttyz> Gotta go pie :=)
[07:17] <jbroome> !u | winbond
[07:17] <ubotu> winbond: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[07:18] <Dr_willis> Gr8!
[07:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:18] <cps1966> ubotu stuff it
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stuff it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <mendred> hi regarding the strigi systray app..is there anyway to get it to a direct search rather than search for a file?
[07:19] <winbond> jbroome, r u srious? lolz  , just kidding
[07:20] <cps1966> old fart , must be
[07:20] <johnficca> so i'm upgrading to gutsy right now
[07:20] <cps1966> good luck
[07:20] <winbond> johnficca, why?
[07:21] <cyphase> Anyone else consider it a bug that when Network Manager is being upgraded, it restarts during the upgrade?
[07:21] <johnficca> i always do at the alfa 5 time
[07:21] <cyphase> Shouldn't it wait for a restart?
[07:21] <cps1966> yes it will till you get all packages you need
[07:22] <winbond> johnficca, still has lots of bugs
[07:22] <johnficca> i feel like i'm helping the ubuntu community by bug testing for a month
[07:22] <slackern_> !upgrade
[07:22] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:22] <_lemsx1_> cyphase: you don't really loose your connection. it just gets interrupted. i think it's fine
[07:22] <_lemsx1_> cyphase: tcp/ip it's supposed to cope with that
[07:23] <slackern_> !final
[07:23] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[07:24] <cyphase> _lemsx1_: i know, but still..
[07:25] <_lemsx1_> cyphase: that would probably happen once in a blue moon once the OS is released
[07:25] <cyphase> _lemsx1_: true
[07:25] <Assid> how goes it
[07:26] <cypherdelic>  i cant change the color for tooltip background, in appeareance preferences > customize > colors. the boxes for tooltip is gray-crossed. any ideas?
[07:29] <cps1966> any idea why i cant burn a 64 bit dvd for a friend
[07:30] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: that's a very general question
[07:30] <cyphase> oooh, nice wallpaper in gutsy
[07:30] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: funnel it down a bit
[07:30] <cps1966> well it give opc error
[07:30] <cyphase> is there only going to be one default wallpaper in gutsy/
[07:30] <cyphase> ?*
[07:31] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: assuming that you check the MD5SUM of the DVD iso, that your drive is not faulty, and that you have used it to burn stuff before and it works correctly afterwards, then the reason can only be that your PC doesn't like that particular ISO :-)
[07:32] <cps1966> well its been every 64 bit dvd that i've tryed does 64 bit cds fine and 32 bit dvds
[07:33] <winbond> _lemsx1_, after 2days updates, azureus is starting up fine again, thanks
[07:33] <_lemsx1_> winbond: good to know
[07:34] <cps1966> i like to stick azureus in home dir and run it from there
[07:34] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: "64bit" refers to the binaries and libraries (kernel and such) inside the ISO. not the ISO itself. in other words, an iso is just an iso
[07:34] <cps1966> yeah i know
[07:34] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: that's because you are the only person using it
[07:35] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: try burning something else... are you using gutsy to burn the disc? try using Dapper or Feisty
[07:35] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: or windows
[07:35] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: whatever works
[07:35] <cps1966> does the same in every distro i,ve tried and even windows xp pukes on it
[07:36] <cps1966> md5sum checks correctly also
[07:36] <Dr_willis> I tend to just set up azurus for my single user in their home dir also.
[07:37] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: then use a different system (another computer)
[07:37] <Dr_willis> try the cd on other machines?
[07:37] <Dr_willis> ive seen all sorts of weirdness with cd's in the past years. :(
[07:37] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: you could also be using bad media, like Dynex DVDs (they succcccckkkk)
[07:37] <cps1966> well thats not the reson i would rip apart my machine
[07:37] <_lemsx1_> cps1966: but good brands like Sony and the like should work
[07:38] <cps1966> na its memorex
[07:38] <winbond> holy cow , i get 30seconds lag
[07:39] <winbond> something must be broke
[07:39] <winbond> which port does irc generally use?
[07:39] <jbroome> 6667
[07:39] <Instabin> I cant get compiz to start http://pastebin.ca/706143
[07:41] <cps1966> dvd-r sequential
[07:42] <cps1966> cmc mag,ae1
[07:42] <Assid> aargh
[07:42] <Assid> anyone ever synch'd a nokia e61 successfully (not through cli)
[07:42] <_lemsx1_> Assid: i was going to say, "talk like a pirate day"
[07:43] <Assid> you know if linux wants to get more market share.. it needs more user friendly apps
[07:44] <cps1966> assid use mint linux it ubuntu refined
[07:46] <Assid> cps1966: its the apps.. not the gui
[07:46] <Assid> cps1966: you can get the same thing with kubuntu
[07:46] <cps1966> what do you want for beta software
[07:47] <Assid> beta software?
[07:47] <cps1966> this is gutsy it not final yet
[07:48] <Assid> well.. even feisty..  had issues
[07:48] <cps1966> read the topic above
[07:48] <Dr_willis> every time i hear some one say 'linux needs to....' i just cringe..
[07:48] <Dr_willis> the person saying it - dosent get what linux is all about. :)
[07:48] <Assid> well  i meant it needs some apps
[07:48] <gridl0ck> whatchutalkinaboutwillis ;p
[07:48] <Assid> i know its not the kernels fault
[07:48] <Dr_willis> theres 100000000000000+ apps for linux. :)
[07:49] <Dr_willis> it all depends on your needs.
[07:49] <cps1966> ya we dont want all those assholes over here anyway
[07:49] <Assid> sure we do
[07:49] <cps1966> no we dont
[07:49] <Assid> the more of those we have.. the better those stupid manufacturers start supporting us
[07:49] <Dr_willis> I also dont see the point of bending over backwards for  'insert bad term here' then having them demand you ALSO do backflips so they can do some other trivial thing easially. :)
[07:50] <gttyz> Dr_willis: For the core hurd of people not so many are required
[07:50] <Dr_willis> delive a good solid foundataion of an OS. and let the programs grow. :)
[07:50] <gttyz> but i agree
[07:50] <Assid> yes but it should be about the masses.. thats what brings more manufacturers in
[07:50] <cps1966> its take time to learn anything worthwhile
[07:51] <Dr_willis> its amazing the trivial-useless things i see people wanting to do in linux, then getting mad when its not a click or 2.. when the same 'job' in windows is basicially impossible. :)
[07:51] <gttyz> "Dr_willis> every time i hear some one say 'linux needs to....' i just cringe.." Indeed, itll take a bit of time to learn but they are Awoken Zombies, be nice :=)
[07:51] <Dr_willis> Im scared as what the compwiz/eyecandy stuff will bring on.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> gttyz,  ive revived several zombies. :)
[07:51] <gttyz> lol
[07:52] <Dr_willis> friend was worried about being in this chat room and saying somthing stupid.. told him as long as he dosent say ''Linux needs to......." he would be ok.
[07:52] <Assid> well ofcourse it needs to evolve.. but im just saying its gotta think of the none nerdy people / end users
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about evolving.. its evoloving faster then any other OS out there. :)
[07:52] <Assid> besides i didnt say linux itself
[07:52] <leoquant> compiz still buggy in gutsy after several X updates?
[07:52] <Assid> i said it needs more user friendly apps
[07:52] <gttyz> Something named "_h_e_l_p_" make it gone
[07:52] <Dr_willis> leoquant,  i get a few crashes with it.
[07:53] <cps1966> linux itself is just a kernel
[07:53] <Dr_willis> 'user friendly' is becoming a vagut term also. :)
[07:53] <Assid> well "idiot proof" ?
[07:53] <gttyz> cps1966: I like the whole shebangme :=)
[07:53] <Dr_willis> too often it seems user friendly seems mean 'written for idiots'  who cant handle options, or flexability. :)
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed a lot of my windows games are getting more and more dumbed down also. :)
[07:54] <cps1966> hey if you dont like ubuntu maybe you should try gentoo
[07:54] <Assid> hehehe
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Xb0x360 mentality.
[07:54] <gttyz> Dr_willis: Learn they can, Learn they can Yodah said
[07:54] <gridl0ck> if you want ppl to cross over from other operating systems - it has to be user friendly - then what's the point of devolping anything
[07:54] <Dr_willis> gttyz,  but its too 'hard' to think. :)
[07:55] <gttyz> That thing generally takes between one 2 three thoughts at tops :=)
[07:55] <Dr_willis> gttyz,  and some times a bit of logical thought and rembering somthing from 10 sec befor.
[07:55] <leoquant> bulletproof x isnt a bulletproof compiz (yet) :)
[07:55] <Assid> well im just saying like simple apps.. like synchronising a phone
[07:55] <gttyz> Dr_willis: Thats an idiots choise of words not yours or mine
[07:55] <gridl0ck> choice*
[07:55] <Dr_willis> yea. I tried to set up twinview  - and bulletproof got  broken. :)
[07:56] <Dr_willis> can twinview work with compwiz?
[07:56] <cps1966> hell i have a limit on memory and 59 and i learned enough to use linux regularly
[07:56] <Instabin> how do i fix this /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[07:56] <Dr_willis> i noticed it got disabled when i had twinview going. not sure what the deal was
[07:56] <gttyz> Dr_willis: You need to include "Microsoft Gold Partners" into that <- Wankers :P
[07:57] <gttyz> I have odays
[07:57] <Assid> Dr_willis: like simpler interface to synchronising cell phones (like iSync on mac)
[07:57] <gttyz> wont share, monitor
[07:57] <gttyz> no, dont even ask
[07:57] <Dr_willis> Assid,  ive gotten to a point where i find cell phones and so forth are adding to much compleciations to my life. :)
[07:58] <Dr_willis> of course its the cell phone makers that are causing the problems more and more it seems.
[07:58] <cps1966> i set up 64 bit ubuntu on a friends machine has two 24 inch monitors works just fine
[07:58] <Dr_willis> cps1966,  on mine it had the montors 'reversed' gdm showed up on the right side monitor. not the front one. :(
[07:59] <cps1966> with compiz or beryls
[07:59] <Assid> right.. but we need it nevertheless
[07:59] <Assid> and also more morons we have.. the more masses are behind it
[07:59] <Assid> motorola?
[07:59] <cps1966> Dr_willis:  i just flopped monitors in nvidia settingsd
[07:59] <gttyz> I have found that hitting your head into something hard can cause black and white dots and severely appearing blindness amongst the likes of myself (Police fuckers!/Dont worry.. you know me)
[08:00] <gttyz> THis is why a semi broken back/neck is not cool
[08:00] <Assid> hrmm.. so im getting my new machine this weekend/monday
[08:00] <Assid> dunno what to do
[08:01] <cps1966> ship it back if it has vista or xp on it
[08:01] <Assid> nah
[08:01] <Assid> im assembling it
[08:01] <unggnu> hi all
[08:01] <unggnu> Someone with an Intel graphic card and working suspend?
[08:01] <Assid> q6600 + evga 8600gts + corsair xms2 2GB
[08:02] <Assid> so is gutsy still crashing with compiz ?
[08:03] <cps1966> haven't really noticed
[08:03] <gttyz> I know alot of military dudes and ericsson dudes too. All i wanted was some help and right now i feel left to rot in a crummy world i need to fix.. again! /Signed Rideing with the code monkeys
[08:03] <Assid> what about compiz and opengl apps ? i know that used to be aproblem
[08:03] <unggnu> Assid, Runs stable for me except of some intel driver bugs which isn't compiz fault.
[08:03] <unggnu> Does anyone know a compiz tunning guide?
[08:03] <Assid> unggnu: onboard  card ?
[08:04] <cps1966> nvidia is good here
[08:04] <unggnu> Assid, yes
[08:04] <Assid> i wondere if my video card will be able to help a bit..
[08:04] <gttyz> On the other hand we have the codings... maybe i should script some illicit ones for a change!
[08:04] <Assid> just curious tho anyone synchd their phones ?
[08:04] <gttyz> Monitor MY ASS!
[08:05] <Dr_willis> cps1966,  i was trying to switch them. but they never switched.. :) was about to move the cables around.. but then they are backwards for the console.
[08:06] <cps1966> well just do it one over the top of other then slide the one you want over
[08:06] <Pici> !ohmy
[08:06] <gttyz> Dr_willis: Go poliyical on their stupid asses my friend
[08:06] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:06] <gttyz> fuck off ^
[08:06] <gttyz> Live in the real world
[08:06] <PriceChild> gttyz, please watch your language in this channel.
[08:06] <gttyz> No
[08:07] <gttyz> "Fuck"
[08:07] <PriceChild> !guidelines > gttyz (please read the pm from ubotu)
[08:07] <cps1966> hehe
[08:08] <tarheelcoxn> PriceChild: nice alias you've got there.
[08:08] <cps1966> the trick is to use windows in same sentence
[08:08] <cps1966> then swearing is ok
[08:08] <Assid> lets see.. maybe monday i might get a new build
[08:08] <Assid> thats when im gonna assmble it
[08:08] <wastrel> i'm going to upgrade one of my boxes to gusty
[08:09] <cps1966> wastrel:  better off doing a fresh install
[08:09] <wastrel> don't you need testers for the upgrade?
[08:10] <cps1966> you need rc1 at least to do it
[08:10] <tarheelcoxn> anybody experienced bug #132716 ?
[08:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132716 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "ATI Driver Gets Black Screen on Radeon 7500 Mobile (Regression)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132716
[08:10] <void^> i just upgraded with very few problems
[08:10] <advdgoril> does the mediubuntu repos work on gutsy?
[08:11] <kalpik> advdgoril, yes
[08:11] <advdgoril> ty
[08:11] <PriceChild> advdgoril, they have a gutsy repo afaik
[08:11] <advdgoril> i didnt see the gutsy repo
[08:11] <advdgoril> let me double check
[08:11] <wastrel> oic
[08:11] <kalpik> advdgoril, its there.. look harder ;)
[08:12] <soundray> I have a fully updated tribe 5 installation. It hangs after I log in at gdm, before any panels or icons come up. .xsession-errors doesn't show anything useful. No memory or CPU hogs are active. How can I fix this?
[08:13] <soundray> The user config doesn't seem to be at fault either -- it happens when I try with a newly created user.
[08:14] <cps1966> delete iceauthorty
[08:14] <wastrel> i guess i'll hold off til rc1
[08:14] <soundray> cps1966: you mean rm -r /tmp/.ICE-unix ?
[08:15] <cps1966> soundray:  did you catch that delete .iceauthorty in home dir
[08:15] <soundray> cps1966: never mind, found what you mean. Thanks
[08:16] <soothsayer> Where do I configure Tracker?
[08:17] <soundray> cps1966: tried it -- doesn't make a difference...
[08:17] <cps1966> hmm it useuly works for me
[08:17] <winbond> !iptables
[08:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:18] <advdgoril> does emerald themes work on gutsy i tried downloading one but it was recognized as a archive file?
[08:18] <winbond> Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist, whats up with that?
[08:19] <cps1966> then its not there
[08:19] <winbond> isnt it suposed to be installed by default?
[08:19] <cps1966> leme check
[08:20] <winbond> !firewall
[08:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:20] <soundray> winbond: did you install Guarddog from the repositories?
[08:20] <soothsayer> How do I disable Trackerd?
[08:21] <winbond> soundray, yes,,  and iptables is installed, so what is it looking for?
[08:21] <dajhorn> soothsayer:  You must remove the tracker package.
[08:21] <cps1966> its not installed here by default
[08:22] <void^> soothsayer: system>preferences>sessions
[08:22] <soundray> winbond: do you get that error when you 'sudo invoke-rc.d guarddog'?
[08:22] <soundray> winbond: correction: do you get that error when you 'sudo invoke-rc.d guarddog restart'?
[08:22] <soothsayer> dajhorn, void^: Thanks
[08:23] <winbond> soundray, same error
[08:23] <mumz> Yey! ubuntu!
[08:23] <dajhorn> soothsayer: Np.  This is documented as LP #13193 et al.
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13193 in aspell-sl "aspell-sl: Needs to be rebuilt for Aspell 0.60" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13193
[08:24] <soundray> winbond: have you gone through any kind of setup/config procedure?
[08:24] <dajhorn> soothsayer: Oops.  LP #131983
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131983 in tracker "[gutsy]  trackerd kills disk io" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131983
[08:24] <soundray> winbond: for guarddog I mean?
[08:24] <winbond> soundray, no, its my first time trying to get this setup
[08:25] <soundray> winbond: I haven't used guarddog, but if it's like firestarter, you have to go through a GUI setup to create an appropriate configuration for your situation.
[08:26] <mumz> What is guard dog ?
[08:26] <mumz> Another meaningless dependency ?
[08:26] <soundray> winbond: btw, you don't need to set up anything like this unless you route traffic for other machines.
[08:26] <soundray> !info guarddog
[08:26] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1432 kB
[08:26] <mumz> Firestarter is very good
[08:26] <unggnu> Someone here with an Intel graphic card and working suspend?
[08:27] <mumz> kde is sucky (dont mind me, im just very old in the game)
[08:27] <mumz> k3b is good though
[08:28] <soundray> Any other suggestion for my problem? Hanging gnome or metacity after gdm login...
[08:28] <winbond> soundray, i want to set it up because i have a large list of ips i want to block, and this is the only way i know i can block it
[08:29] <soundray> winbond: I suggest you run the guarddog program in KDE and see if you get a configuration screen.
[08:29] <cps1966> soundray:  see if ctrl f1 works and see if theres a error message
[08:29] <cps1966> or f2
[08:30] <soundray> cps1966: ctrl-alt-f1 works, but there's no error message.
[08:30] <cps1966> hmm
[08:30] <cps1966> must be xorg conf
[08:31] <soundray> cps1966: no, gdm runs fine
[08:31] <cps1966> soundray:  try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:32] <soundray> cps1966: it's not that, X runs fine
[08:32] <cps1966> sudo apt-get install task-gnome
[08:33] <winbond> soundray, it started up in kde, it said that the rc.firewall isnt there because it wasnt configed
[08:33] <soundray> winbond: so, configure it.
[08:34] <soundray> cps1966: there is no task-gnome package in gutsy
[08:34] <winbond> soundray, thats what im about to do, need to find some guarddog guides, thank you 4 help
[08:35] <cps1966> oh damn thats right then ubuntu  your missing applets and panel right
[08:35] <cps1966> etc-update
[08:35] <cps1966> winbond:  man gaurddog
[08:36] <soundray> winbond: fwiw, this has been reported as LP #74598
[08:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74598 in guarddog "Guarddog doesn't start - missing /etc/rc.firewall" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74598
[08:36] <soundray> cps1966: can you elaborate?
[08:36] <cps1966> can you run that command
[08:37] <soundray> cps1966: etc-update?
[08:37] <cps1966> if not install it
[08:37] <winbond> soundray, whats LP#?
[08:38] <soundray> cps1966: gnome is installed -- I had it running previously, then it stopped working.
[08:38] <winbond> soundray, nevermind, ty
[08:38] <soundray> winbond: launchpad. Ubotu picks those up and gives a bug summary.
[08:38] <soundray> LP #1
[08:38] <soundray> well, sometimes it does.
[08:38] <cps1966> soundray:  did you reboot or something
[08:38] <Pici> hehe
[08:39] <cps1966> only what is in his history
[08:39] <soundray> cps1966: several times. I was working with an application in gnome when it suddenly crashed and went into console mode. Since then, I haven't been able to log in.
[08:40] <cps1966> what app try killing it
[08:40] <soundray> cps1966: it's long dead (unless it's survived several reboots)
[08:41] <cps1966> maybe its still trying to start
[08:41] <cps1966> kde is good for that
[08:41] <soundray> cps1966: no, it isn't. There isn't any unusual process activity.
[08:41] <soundray> cps1966: I'm not on KDE
[08:41] <cps1966> then it borked one of your settings
[08:42] <soundray> cps1966: which one though? I was running it as user. It is not setuid. When I try to log in a newly created user, the problem is still the same.
[08:43] <cps1966> then its skin deep
[08:43] <cps1966> what about sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[08:44] <cps1966> takes some time to do that though
[08:45] <soundray> cps1966: I don't mind -- I'd rather try something other than reinstall (have compiled shedloads of applications on that machine for testing)
[08:45] <DanaG> Cool, nvidia 100.14.19 really does improve power management.
[08:45] <DanaG> Now I can keep compiz-fusion while on battery, with not a large loss of battery life.
[08:45] <moognocci> I have an ubuntu live cd that Im booted from but it is the 64bit version of the operating system, I want to burn the i386 image I have just downloaded but, obviously, the cd drive is sorta occupied. How can I burn this disk?
[08:45] <DanaG> I get 1:30 to 1:45 (hours:minutes) either way.
[08:45] <soundray> cps1966: working now, thanks again for your input
[08:46] <cps1966> what was it
[08:47] <soundray> cps1966: I mean, dpkg-reconfigure -a is working its routine. I'll get back to you when it's ready :)
[08:47] <cps1966> sound ray use portage next time you upgrade
[08:47] <soundray> cps1966: portage? Isn't that gentoo stuff?
[08:47] <cps1966> yeah
[08:48] <cps1966> but i think it works here
[08:48] <soundray> moognocci: I think you'll need a second CD drive
[08:49] <moognocci> soundray: arseholes
[08:49] <cps1966> its called bitbake here though
[08:49] <soundray> moognocci: knoppix boots with a "toram" option, so you can remove the CD after booting. Ubuntu doesn't do that
[08:49] <soundray> moognocci: what are you abusing me for?
[08:49] <Assid> bb-tom
[08:50] <moognocci> soundray: I wast absing you man, just the situation :) My kubuntu died after I fiddled with vmware-server, It wont boot with a kernel panic error. bit stuck like..
[08:52] <soundray> moognocci: be careful with swearwords here. For one, this channel should be family friendly. Second, you nearly made me call ops.
[08:52] <cps1966> its always good to have more than one distro installed
[08:52] <moognocci> soundray: sorry dude
[08:52] <soundray> moognocci: you could do a quick installation of the 64bit system and burn the i386 with that.
[08:53] <cps1966> if your machine is emt64
[08:53] <joeamined> hi
[08:53] <cps1966> just use that
[08:53] <moognocci> soundray: sadly.....I think you might be right, shame I havent got no mini linux about
[08:53] <joeamined> is it possible to upgrade from feisty to gutsy ?
[08:53] <cps1966> you can try but be warned
[08:54] <soundray> joeamined: it should be -- 'sudo update-manager -d', but it's better to wait till after the release.
[08:54] <soundray> joeamined: unless you want to help iron out problems.
[08:55] <joeamined> ok
[08:55] <cps1966> soundray:  any hint in esession eroors
[08:55] <PriceChild> soundray, gksudo for graphical applications.
[08:55] <cps1966> xsession i mean
[08:56] <soundray> PriceChild: yes, thanks... joeamined: 'gksudo update-manager -d'
[09:03] <dennda> hey there
[09:05] <dennda> Gutsy doesn't use the right area of my touchpad. Dunno what it's called. It's used to scroll down
[09:05] <dennda> (feisty did)
[09:05] <Pici> Check your mouse preferences, someone said that they had to re-enable theirs.
[09:07] <dennda> ahhh thank you
[09:07] <dennda> works
[09:20] <moognocci> Whens gutsy out?
[09:20] <Pici> moognocci: middle of October
[09:20] <moognocci> sweet, what can we look forward to?
[09:21] <moognocci> feisty was a pronounced improvement, another one of those and well.....
[09:24] <Pici> moognocci: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[09:25] <tarheelcoxn> oooh. new kernel. yummy
[09:26] <CountX_now_with_> haha
[09:26] <CountX> oh man
[09:30] <pvandewyngaerde> how can i find out what program is locking de  packages database ?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: error?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: if its what i think maybe close synaptic if apt-get is giving you an error
[09:31] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: or you have apt-get in terminal already
[09:31] <gnomefreak> if its adept thats another story
[09:31] <pvandewyngaerde> nope, its after restart on a kubuntu machine
[09:31] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: are you in #kubuntu by chance?
[09:32] <pvandewyngaerde> just now
[09:32] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: most likely update-manager-kde is running in background or adept (cant remember what one would be)
[09:32] <gnomefreak> there is a way to stop it
[09:33] <pvandewyngaerde> can i force to remove the lock ?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> pvandewyngaerde: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:34] <gnomefreak> that command should work
[09:34] <gnomefreak> !aptfix
[09:34] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:34] <gnomefreak> there you go :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> oh yay new kernel already
[09:35] <pvandewyngaerde> .12
[09:35] <gnomefreak> release was ~around monday of next week but i guess its done early
[09:35] <gnomefreak> -12
[09:35] <gnomefreak> . goes after the 12
[09:35] <gnomefreak> 2.6.22.12.14
[09:35] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[09:36] <gnomefreak> why the rename
[09:36] <gnomefreak> 2.6.22-12-generic 2.6.22.3-12.5 ah it wasnt
[09:39] <Eicca> does this still exist in gutsy? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414002
[09:39] <benanzo> In compiz I have solid white lines where shadows should be on panels and menus
[09:40] <benanzo> other shadows are fine, just panels and menus are surrounded by solid white
[09:40] <benanzo> any ideas?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> Eicca: no way of knowing unless you try it, or find a bug report on it. the devels dont normally look at forums for bugs
[09:43] <Eicca> okay
[09:43] <Eicca> ummm
[09:44] <Eicca> if i just could copy the whole report somehow
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Eicca: its better to put it in your own words and have logs that have the error when asked for them or if you know what is needed post it at time of reporting
[09:45] <Eicca> yea, i just dont know how to get the error from the recovery booting state
[09:45] <Eicca> how can i copy it?
[09:45] <Eicca> should i just write on a paper?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> Eicca: look in /var/log you will find most logs go there
[09:46] <Eicca> but i cant boot
[09:46] <Eicca> o_O
[09:46] <Eicca> live cd?
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Eicca: not unless you chroot into installed system with livecd
[09:47] <Eicca> chroot?
[09:47] <rathel> Hamachi doesn't seem to wanna work with Gutsy. :(
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Eicca: instructions for that basic chroot should be found in !grub factoid
[09:47] <Eicca> yea
[09:47] <Eicca> im today so tired that i might try it tomorrow
[09:48] <gnomefreak> you wont see may updates at all for next week or so
[10:21] <Aondo> each time there has been a kernel change, first time i boot up, it always loads my webcam as primary soundinput :P second time i boot it is back to normal
[10:41] <advdgoril> im having sound issues. all sound plays back extremely low
[10:41] <advdgoril> topic
[10:41] <advdgoril> oops
[10:42] <advdgoril> can someone help me out. i have the levels set to max and cant hardly here audio
[10:44] <benanzo> I have a Gutsy chroot that I built with deboostrap and schroot, but I can't use ctrl-shft-v to paste into the chrooted term -- how do I fix this?
[10:44] <hydrogen> you never paste into a terminal with ctrl+v
[10:44] <hydrogen> its shift+insert or middle mouse
[10:45] <benanzo> in gnome-terminal it's CTRL+SHIFT+V to paste or CTRL+SHIFT+C to copy
[10:45] <advdgoril> anyone know what could be causing this sound issue?
[10:45] <benanzo> it works in normal term, but not chrooted term
[10:45] <hydrogen> try shift+insert/middle mouse
[10:46] <benanzo> same problem
[11:08] <winbond> im having like 30 seconds lag on irc, anyone having same problem?
[11:11] <ohad> anyone know the solution for this one? http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,27/func,view/catid,3/id,551/
[11:18] <cyphase> is there any reason that ntp support isn't installed by default in ubuntu?
[11:20] <ohad> i have a problem connecting to wifi with intel 4965 on my thinkpad x61s. i'm connected to the ap but then after a couple of minutes the data packets stop all of a sudden. esp. when i'm using wpa. . any ideas how to resolve that? i just upgraded hope that helps
[11:21] <ohad> anyone?
[11:22] <winbond> ohad, downgrade the kernel
[11:22] <ohad> winbond, to what?
[11:22] <winbond> 22-10
[11:23] <ohad> winbond, i just upgraded it and it seems to be working better
[11:23] <ohad> winbond, i have just upgraded to 22-12
[11:23] <ohad> winbond, do you have the same machine?
[11:23] <winbond> i dont know, change the channel
[11:23] <winbond> adjust radio output if u can
[11:24] <winbond> no , i have a desktop
[11:24] <winbond> r u using a router?
[11:24] <ohad> winbond, as an ap? yes
[11:25] <winbond> good routers have bunch of different settings u can tweak to try to get a good connection
[11:25] <winbond> whats ur router?
[11:25] <ohad> winbond, how do i adjust the channel ?and how does that impact the ability to WPA or LEAP encryption ?
[11:25] <ohad> winbond, i need to connect to the leap network at school
[11:26] <ohad> seems like things are working so far.. .let me try and restart
[11:26] <ohad> brb
[11:28] <CountX> im looking for a cheap good wired/wireless router, any suggestions?
[11:29] <CountX> anyone pleasE?
[11:30] <nomasteryoda> good to see Firefox and Thunderbird issue has been worked out... at least for me
[11:31] <nomasteryoda> even compiz just works...
[11:31] <nomasteryoda> great work
[11:31] <tormod> CountX: very off-topic, but my Linksys WRT54GL runs Linux itself
[11:31] <CountX> granparidiso is buggy as hell
[11:32] <gnomefreak> CountX: yes it is i said that yesterday
[11:32] <gnomefreak> CountX: im one of the maintainers of mozilla apps (the unpaid kind)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> we will try to have a8/b1 after beta release
[11:33] <gnomefreak> there are 2 people working on it atm
[11:33] <CountX> gnomefreak: cool, hows it going?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> CountX: dont know im not working on it this release
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i started it up to a7 someone took over thank god
[11:34] <winbond> is anyone using a blacklist with a iptables?
[11:34] <CountX> gnomefreak: well, how does it look
[11:34] <CountX> like when is it coming out? cause i have high hopes
[11:34] <gnomefreak> so far so good it builds thats about all i know
[11:34] <gnomefreak> CountX: after beta release
[11:34] <CountX> gnomefreak: i have my hands full too
[11:34] <gnomefreak> around oct1
[11:35] <gnomefreak> iirc beta release of gutsy is the 26-27th but a day or 2 on either end is safe bet
[11:35] <CountX> gnomefreak: cool the dethalbum comes out oct 2
[11:35] <gnomefreak> i lied its not building xul issues
[11:36] <gnomefreak> but thats what happens with xul 1.9
[11:40] <bjwebb> what will happen to my settings if i use the same home partition for a new install on a different partition
[11:43] <nomasteryoda> they will be right there... just might cause some issue from one to the other in the way gnome.conf is handled... But, i use Feisty and Gutsy and they both work fine
[11:43] <nomasteryoda> so ymmv
[11:44] <Xero> http://pastebin.com/m259c5f8e <---What packages do I need to fix this compile error? I already did apt-get build-dep compiz
[11:44] <nomasteryoda> if the home is in say sda2, root1 is in sda1 and root2 (new one ) is in sda4
[11:44] <nomasteryoda> should be ok bjwebb
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Xero: build-essential?
[11:45] <nomasteryoda> that would help a bunch
[11:45] <gnomefreak> i didnt look at error and im not really in best mood to but try it
[11:45] <Xero> gnomefreak, I already have build-essential
[11:48] <gnomefreak> let me finish what im doing
[11:50] <Xero> Okay.
[11:53] <drock> anyone know the xml syntax for defining a custom screen in displayconfig-gtk?
[11:54] <sam1337> Is it just me or did an update brake compiz fusion a couple of days ago?
[11:54] <sam1337> i think it might of been yesterday
[11:55] <sam1337> compiz fusion has become an absoloute must for me now :(
[11:55] <Xero> sam1337, it didn't break for me.
[11:55] <Xero> Maybe it's your installation having a problem, or maybe I'm a lucky lucky bastard.
[11:55] <sam1337> ill pastebin my terminal output
[11:56] <Xero> Okay.
[11:57] <sam1337> http://pastebin.com/d97e8c1e
[11:57] <sam1337> using an nvidia 7600gs proprietory driver
[11:57] <Xero> Comparing resolution (1440x900) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[11:57] <Xero> That's your problem, but I don't know how to fix it.
[11:58] <sam1337> i have 512mb of graphics memory if thats any use
[11:58] <sam1337> brb getting a drink
[11:58] <Xero> sam1337, have you tried using Xgl?
[11:59] <Xero> I'm a newbie to Ubuntu, so I can't really help much except for offering alternatives and hoping they work?
[11:59] <Xero> s/?/.
[11:59] <sam1337> back
[12:00] <sam1337> what does s/?/. mean?
[12:00] <sam1337> im fairly new to linux too
[12:00] <LjL> sam1337: l33tspeak for "substitute the '?' i wrote with a '.'"
[12:00] <LjL> except
[12:00] <LjL> both ? and . are special characters in regexps
[12:04] <crdlb> and it's missing the trailing / :)
[12:04] <tormod> LjL: but the . is not regexp in this case :)
[12:06] <sam1337> yay found instructions which fixed compiz for me!
[12:06] <sam1337> And it seems to run really fast now!
[12:07] <VousDeux> where are the instructions?
[12:07] <crdlb> it's quite simple, you just need to edit the /usr/bin/compiz wrapper
[12:07] <crdlb> to fix a bug
[12:07] <sam1337> crdlb thats correct
[12:08] <crdlb> change GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE (or similar) to GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[12:08] <sam1337> anybody know how to remove all buttons from emerald apart from the close window button?
[12:09] <crdlb> just look in emerald-theme-manager
[12:09] <crdlb> you can customize the buttons in the theme
[12:09] <tarheelcoxn> bug 141609
[12:09] <sam1337> thanks
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[12:10] <crdlb> uh oh I better not use gutsy
[12:10] <crdlb> I have that card XD
[12:10] <sam1337> crdlb you sure i can remove the buttons? because atm it looks to me that i can only change the style of them
[12:10] <tarheelcoxn> I don't suppose anybody has a T41 with a radeon mobility M7?
[12:11] <_Jaak_> am i the only one having sudden trouble with my nvidia and compiz?
[12:11] <tarheelcoxn> somebody who'd want to look at that with me
[12:11] <crdlb> I have a T42 with a M7 but I'm not using gutsy :)
[12:11] <VousDeux> hmmm....I don't seem to have a /usr/bin/compiz wrapper
[12:11] <crdlb> VousDeux, /usr/bin/compiz is a binary?
[12:11] <ryanpg> seems the latest gutsy update screws my font settings... full hinting doesn't get rid of the "rainbow" font effect that medium and slight hinting produces
[12:11] <VousDeux> yes, it is binary
[12:11] <crdlb> _Jaak_, no :)
[12:12] <VousDeux> no wait...it's a shell script
[12:12] <crdlb> heh
[12:12] <crdlb> sam1337, yes, you have to edit the theme
[12:12] <_Jaak_> no, as in it's a known going to be fixed soon problem?
[12:12] <Ademan> hey dumb question, what gnome version is gonna be in gutsy?
[12:13] <jsomers> 2.20
[12:13] <crdlb> there's an entry where each button is a letter
[12:13] <crdlb> _Jaak_, you can fix it yourself
[12:13] <ryanpg> did font hinting change recently?
[12:13] <Ademan> jsomers: awesome, the full release? not any release candidate or anything?
[12:14] <_Jaak_> do you have a link?
[12:14] <jsomers> Ademan: the Gnome help already states it's Gnome 2.20
[12:14] <ryanpg> has TrueType's Byte Code Interpreter been recently removed/disabled?
[12:14] <gaminggeek> anyone else find that compiz is putting windows under the taskbar?
[12:14] <jsomers> and there has been a major upgrade yesterday
[12:14] <jsomers> so I think it's the final version
[12:14] <Ademan> ah ok cool
[12:14] <Ademan> thanks
[12:15] <Maxwell> hello
[12:15] <crdlb> _Jaak_, yeah sec
[12:15] <crdlb> gaminggeek, do you have ccsm installed?
[12:15] <_Jaak_> cool
[12:15] <_Jaak_> thanks!
[12:15] <Maxwell> I've just booted up the live disc of tribe 5 to play with the compiz-fusion effects, I can't find the shortcut keys anywhere for hide all windows etc
[12:15] <Maxwell> any ideas anyone?
[12:15] <crdlb> _Jaak_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3394876&postcount=10
[12:16] <crdlb> Maxwell, install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:16] <_Jaak_> k thanks!
[12:16] <Maxwell> cool
[12:16] <gaminggeek> what is ccsm?
[12:16] <Maxwell> thanks, apt-get right?
[12:16] <Maxwell> I'll give it a shot
[12:16] <bjwebb> hi again
[12:16] <crdlb> gaminggeek, compizconfig-settings-manager :)
[12:16] <gaminggeek> ah
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> crdlb: I don't suppose I could _bribe_ you into trying gutsy? :P
[12:16] <gaminggeek> no
[12:16] <gaminggeek> I can just use gconf
[12:17] <crdlb> ...
[12:17] <crdlb> gaminggeek, any reason for that?
[12:17] <Maxwell> I'm new to all this
[12:17] <gaminggeek> because
[12:17] <Maxwell> as you probably get 9999999 times a day
[12:17] <gaminggeek> its not installed by default
[12:17] <gaminggeek> and I dont need need it
[12:17] <crdlb> you don't use any software that's not installed by default?
[12:18] <gaminggeek> no
[12:18] <Maxwell> I'm just new to the whole Linux thing
[12:18] <crdlb> well I can't even try to help you with your problem unless you install ccsm
[12:18] <Maxwell> I tried ubuntu a while back
[12:18] <gaminggeek> yes you can
[12:18] <Maxwell> I'm installing ccsm now
[12:18] <gaminggeek> just pretend I have ccsm installed
[12:19] <Maxwell> i did "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[12:19] <crdlb> gaminggeek, ...
[12:19] <Maxwell> and it did a bunch of stuff
[12:19] <gaminggeek> ok fine I am installing ccsm
[12:19] <_Jaak_> crdlb, thanks problem solved!
[12:20] <Maxwell> how do I run ccsm now?
[12:20] <Maxwell> i'm in the terminal
[12:20] <crdlb> Maxwell, system>preferences>compizconfig settings manager
[12:21] <crdlb> ccsm in the terminal works also
[12:21] <Maxwell> yes! I got it, thanks guys
[12:21] <Maxwell> much easier than I thought
[12:21] <gaminggeek> right its installed now what did you want me todo?
[12:21] <crdlb> open it
[12:21] <alecwh> Hello! My friend told me there is a new version of  gedit coming out with Gusty Gibbon (ubuntu). Is this true? Can I get it now instead of waiting?
[12:21] <VousDeux> when I launch compiz, it puts this little tiny adept notifier window in the top left corner of my screen
[12:21] <Maxwell> maybe I will install ubuntu if it didn't say that it can't partition the drive
[12:21] <gaminggeek> yes
[12:21] <crdlb> gaminggeek, and make sure that the "Place Windows" plugin is checked
[12:22] <crdlb> alecwh, gedit is part of Gnome
[12:22] <gaminggeek> ok that is strange
[12:22] <crdlb> and gnome is not backported to older versions of ubuntu
[12:22] <alecwh> crdlb: So is there any way I can get it with Fiesty, without installing Gusy Gibbon right now?
[12:22] <gaminggeek> it said it was enabled in the gconf
[12:23] <crdlb> alecwh, no, it depends on other parts of gnome 2.20, so you couldn't just install it by itself
[12:23] <alecwh> crdlb: :(
[12:23] <crdlb> and while the new gedit is better, it's not *that much* better :)
[12:23] <alecwh> when is ubuntu gusty released?
[12:23] <crdlb> middle of October
[12:23] <Maxwell> gedit is pretty nice now
[12:24] <alecwh> gedit is my primary tool. :)
[12:24] <Maxwell> have you tried "e" on windows?
[12:24] <Maxwell> I payed for it and I have no problems saying it sucks
[12:24] <Maxwell> I use mac at work, textmate is the best
[12:24] <Maxwell> and transmit
[12:24] <bjwebb> anyone here thing they'd be able to help me with weird partitions
[12:25] <alecwh> bjwebb: #ubuntu
[12:25] <Maxwell> you guys are really helpful compared to last time I tried to use linux
[12:26] <Maxwell> I just gave up before
[12:26] <bjwebb> alecwh: i guess so, its to do with installing gutsy tho :D
[12:26] <gaminggeek> Maxwell: what distro did you try the first time??
[12:26] <Maxwell> it's worth the wait for gutsy rather than installing tribe 5 right?
[12:26] <bjwebb> shhesshh where do you americans keep your hash
[12:26] <Maxwell> considering it's a few weeks away or will it seamlessy upgrade?
[12:27] <Maxwell> I think I tried red hat
[12:27] <bjwebb> shift+3 :S
[12:27] <VousDeux> we keep it between our toes...want some?
[12:27] <Maxwell> and then Mandrake
[12:27] <gaminggeek> Maxwell: do you know enough about linux to be editing X config files and stuff like that?
[12:27] <Maxwell> and then a really early ubuntu
[12:27] <Maxwell> no idea gaminggeek
[12:28] <gaminggeek> Maxwell: then wait the few weeks :)
[12:28] <Maxwell> all I've done is one time I managed to get a nvidia graphics driver installed
[12:28] <Maxwell> it took me about a day
[12:28] <Maxwell> then I played american army
[12:28] <Maxwell> and formatted the drive
[12:28] <Maxwell> lol
[12:29] <Maxwell> the only things that make me want to switch from windows to mac are transmit, textmate and expose
[12:30] <Maxwell> but ubuntu has similar things so looks like I can dual boot
[12:30] <gaminggeek> expose is in linux too :)
[12:30] <Maxwell> (i need adobe creative suite for work)
[12:30] <gaminggeek> dont know what the other things are
[12:30] <Maxwell> transmit is an ftp program from the smarty pants at www.panic.com
[12:30] <Maxwell> and textmate is a text editor with bundles, like gedit can do now
[12:33] <Maxwell> wow, what is the point in rain?
[12:33] <Maxwell> I mean, the compiz fusion thing
[12:33] <Maxwell> not actual rain, i get what that's for
[12:34] <gaminggeek> its just a tech demo really
[12:34] <gaminggeek> useless fancy fluff to show off :)
[12:34] <gaminggeek> like I mean shadows and stuff could be seen as useless fluff but I find the make it look better
[12:35] <gaminggeek> rain just does nothing for me :)
[12:35] <Maxwell> shadows, arguably are for window focus
[12:36] <Maxwell> ok, wtf, no the window re-focus animation is really slow
[12:37] <Maxwell> maybe I messed with something
[12:37] <Maxwell> there should be a simple/advanced view to the compiz settings
[12:38] <_Jaak_> when i used to use beryl, i could make all apps go full screen by using ctrl-alt-enter is that possible with compiz?
[12:38] <Maxwell> jaak, when would that ever be useful?
[12:38] <Maxwell> just asking...
[12:39] <tarheelcoxn> Maxwell: web browsing. often useful
[12:39] <Maxwell> true, like it
[12:39] <_Jaak_> with some apps that don't go propper fullscreen themselves (gnome bars showing on top) for example World of Warcraft
[12:39] <tarheelcoxn> awwww. c'mon, launchpad! come back!
[12:40] <_Jaak_> if you let beryl make the app go fullscreen the problem fades
[12:46] <secher_> heyhey i tried to format a partition with windows with GParted, looked like it worked, but then i couldn't write to the new partition. Then i opened GParted again and got an error "Can't have overlapping partitions. Segmentation fault (core dumped)" And it says the whole disk is "unallocated" now i cant touch anything, but ubuntu is still running perfectly.... What can i do???
[12:48] <scizzo-> secher_: you want to make a partition for win to install on?
[12:48] <ryanpg> apparently the offending package is libfreetype6, anyone know what/why changes have ruined fonts on with sub-pixel hinting?
[12:49] <secher_> scizzo, no i had windows on the partition, and wanted to erase it so i could use it for ubuntu as well
[12:49] <ryanpg> there is now no difference between medium and full hinting... full hinting produces colorful AA
[12:50] <ryanpg> if no one knows (which is fine) can someone suggest a channel where actual devs may hang out?
[12:50] <tarheelcoxn> ryanpg: #ubuntu-devel
[12:51] <ryanpg> tarheelcoxn, thanks
[12:51] <tarheelcoxn> ryanpg: np. can't guarantee there'll be anybody there who can help....
[12:51] <ryanpg> tarheelcoxn, understood
[12:53] <Lunar_Lamp> !bcm43
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bcm43 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <sam1337> Ubuntu needs to support lvm and hdd encryption better imo
[12:54] <sam1337> i hope to see some better support in hardy heron
[12:54] <sam1337> nethertheless gutsy looks to be a great advancement!
[01:03] <contrast83> Lunar_Lamp: bcm43xx-fwcutter troubles?
[01:03] <Lunar_Lamp> contrast83: thre were - I have it sorted now.
[01:03] <contrast83> oh ok
[01:03] <Lunar_Lamp> I ended up completely reinstalling my laptop today when card broke.
[01:04] <Lunar_Lamp> I probably should have tried to fix it to see what the problem was - but I wanted to wipe and reinstall the laptop.
[01:04] <Lunar_Lamp> I had to use fwcutter though, which I don't think I'd had to do previously :-/
[01:04] <contrast83> Lunar_Lamp: you might want to make a practice of keeping wl_apsta.o saved to a cdr or something. usually that's all you need when a broadcom card stops working
[01:04] <contrast83> Lunar_Lamp: seperate / and /home partitions, i hope?
[01:04] <Lunar_Lamp> contrast83: yeah, I keep acer_acpi stored as I always need that as an extra.  Never needed wl_apsta.o though I don't think.
[01:05] <contrast83> Lunar_Lamp: well, wl_apsta.o is the file that bcm43xx-fwcutter retrieves, but a lot of times, the server it tries to get it from is down
[01:05] <Lunar_Lamp> contrast83: yeah, separate / and /home - hehe. I'm not a sadist.
[01:05] <contrast83> lol cool
[01:06] <contrast83> i just recently tested out the apt-get dselect-upgrade magic. that's something beautiful
[01:06] <Lunar_Lamp> dselect-upgrade? :-o
[01:06] <contrast83> one sec...
[01:06] <Lunar_Lamp> Does that do what I think it does? "hmm, I do NOT like what I just did there, I want to undo it and remove all packages/config changes"
[01:07] <contrast83> i guess you could use it in that way too, yeah
[01:08] <Lunar_Lamp> I guess that's not the intended use case then?
[01:09] <contrast83> i mainly use it after a reinstall. prior to the reinstall, do "dpkg --get-selections > /home/yourname/installed-pkgs", then after reinstall, "sudo dpkg --set-selections < /home/yourname/installed-pkgs && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[01:09] <contrast83> obviously you want to make sure your sources.list is set up to include the repositories you previously had enabled
[01:10] <contrast83> so in short, it just installs all the packages you had installed when you ran that first command
[01:11] <Lunar_Lamp> Oh, right, I just did "dpkg -k > /media/sda1/packages.list" then was going to use awk to parse out the package names if I was doing a full reinstall.
[01:11] <Lunar_Lamp> er, "dpkg -l..."
[01:12] <contrast83> does that basically do the same thing?
[01:13] <Lunar_Lamp> dpkg -l just lists all the packages installed.
[01:13] <Lunar_Lamp> It's slightly verbose so you'd need to use an awk statement to extract the package names, and then install them using aptitutde.
[01:13] <Lunar_Lamp> Probably has a down side compared to your method besides the effort involved - but I'm not sure what it is.
[01:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Probably lose the advantage of having aptitude installing packages and sorting out dependancies, as all dependancies will be installed individually.
[01:14] <contrast83> i actually just starting moving towards aptitude from apt-get
[01:15] <CountX> how would i get my external monitor workin on a laptop
[01:16] <CountX> it has an external monitor hookup
[01:16] <VousDeux> CountX, you maybe have a functin key to toggle the external monitor on, or some will only work when the lid is closed
[01:16] <contrast83> CountX: did you fiddle around in the display settings? my experience with that was it always *just worked* (tm)
[01:17] <CountX> i pressed the funtion key a bunch of time and nothing happened
[01:17] <contrast83> i've also seen a setting for that in the bios on some laptops. might have a gander in there
[01:17] <VousDeux> did you hold the 'fn' button while pressing the function key?
[01:17] <CountX> yes
[01:18] <VousDeux> you may need to wait several seconds after toggling the video
[01:19] <CountX> i tried
[01:19] <CountX> i still am
[01:19] <contrast83> CountX: gnome or kde?
[01:19] <CountX> gnoem
[01:20] <contrast83> CountX: are you trying to run the monitor as a second display or just have it clone the laptop's?
[01:20] <CountX> anything
[01:20] <CountX> i just need it working
[01:22] <contrast83> CountX: did you try messing with the Display settings in GNOME?
[01:24] <Xero> Compiz is broken in the latest gutsy, right?
[01:24] <CountX> where is that
[01:24] <Xero> I can't get it to work after an update.
[01:25] <contrast83> Xero: That's what I heard last. I compile it from GIT though, and no problems here.
[01:25] <CountX> contrast83: still no luck here
[01:25] <contrast83> CountX: I'd imagine in the Settings menu on the top panel. Don't know for sure, been a while since I used GNOME
[01:26] <CountX> poo i dont know either
[01:27] <CountX> but it doesnt work, i know thqat
[01:27] <Xero> Comparing resolution (1024x768) to maximum 3D texture size (64): Failed.
[01:27] <Xero> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[01:27] <Xero> Aha. I know how to fix this one.
[01:27] <Xero> I -was- having a much worse problem that produced no error output
[01:29] <contrast83> CountX: what kind of video card?
[01:29] <CountX> nvidia 7600
[01:30] <contrast83> you have nvidia-glx installed, right?
[01:30] <CountX> NVIDIA GeForce 7 Series, as in the grafics tab of acreens and grafics, and yes
[01:30] <CountX> i have the latest drivers
[01:30] <contrast83> CountX: run nvidia-settings and have a look in Display Configuration
[01:31] <contrast83> CountX: Wait, you have a 7600 on a laptop?
[01:31] <CountX> ya
[01:31] <contrast83> oh ok. momentary lapse of memory there, heh.
[01:32] <CountX> ok, i see the diplay config
[01:32] <contrast83> for some reason i was thinking there wasn't a mobile model of that card
[01:32] <CountX> ya its a "Go"
[01:32] <contrast83> CountX: is it listing two different monitors?
[01:32] <CountX> pshh
[01:32] <Xero> HOORAY! The Compiz orgasm is back!
[01:32] <CountX> no
[01:32] <CountX> Xero: grats
[01:32] <contrast83> CountX: i'd say look in your bios
[01:33] <CountX> contrast83: how :)
[01:33] <contrast83> CountX: could be it's disabled there.
[01:33] <contrast83> CountX: hit whatever key it tells you to when you turn on the machine
[01:33] <CountX> holy site
[01:33] <contrast83> CountX: and don't screw around :-|
[01:33] <CountX> i did it
[01:33] <contrast83> heh
[01:33] <contrast83> ?
[01:33] <CountX> i just hit detect displays
[01:33] <CountX> and bam
[01:34] <CountX> 2 monitors
[01:34] <contrast83> are they seperate screens or are they just cloning eachother?
[01:34] <Lunar_Lamp> Does medibuntu have gutsy packages around for things like libdvdcss2?
[01:34] <CountX> contrast83: i can set things up how i want them
[01:35] <CountX> contrast83: it has quite the options
[01:35] <contrast83> Lunar_Lamp: not yet, last i checked (maybe a week ago). the feisty packages are working ok for me though
[01:35] <contrast83> yeah. nvidia-settings is often overlooked
[01:35] <yipe> I already love gutsy
[01:36] <CountX> contrast83: submit a bug?
[01:36] <yipe> thank you, thank you, thank you everyone who helped put this OS on my computer