[12:34] heya slangasek, I've got a thrice-confirmed fix for beta bug 137604 that needs release manager approval [12:34] Launchpad bug 137604 in xorg-server "Black Bar Across Screen with gutsy i810" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137604 === dobey_ [n=dobey@ip68-229-101-154.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] slangasek: fix is pretty straightforward - just drops an errant patch. [12:37] bryce: is http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/xorg-server_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu6.debdiff the right debdiff? [12:37] yep [12:39] bryce: no bugs referenced in the changelog for when the patch was originally added, you're comfortable that reverting won't cause a regression elsewhere? [12:40] correct. These were cherry-picked from xserver 1.3.99, but this particular patch did not have a LP bug associated with it. [12:41] ok, go for it [12:41] great, thanks [12:43] pitti: (Not here, but:) libc patch was very straightforward. Yes, I'll close the bug - sorry. [12:58] slangasek: did sysvinit get held up by the freeze? === illovae [n=illovae@82.65.153.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] lamont: er. I don't think I even know how to find an answer to that question, at the moment === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] slangasek: heh [01:20] no worries. [01:20] it'd be nice if it got accepted sometime soonish === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-145-195-250.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === inso [n=Inso@cpe-70-113-68-186.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === inso [n=Inso@cpe-70-113-68-186.austin.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.181.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dobey_ is now known as dobe === dobe is now known as dobey [02:23] alex@flash:/etc/fonts/conf.d$ dpkg -S /etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf [02:23] dpkg: /etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf not found. [02:23] ?! === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] slangasek: Bah, forgot to mention a bug number in my gnome-control-center upload. It's #140485 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] mjg59: you're still up [02:48] what's this configuration option for enabling the default lcd filter? [02:48] i am all up to date on the main archive but i don't seem to be getting the behaviour you and scott are describing in mailing lists etc. === Shely [n=Sea@221.201.63.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] in fact i can't see any of these supposed changes in any of the relevant packages [02:55] last changelog entry is basically you saying "reverting all this" === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] Waiting for approval:: [02:57] OK: sysvinit_2.86.ds1.orig.tar.gz [02:57] OK: sysvinit_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu28.diff.gz [02:57] OK: sysvinit_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu28.dsc === lamont verifies that sysvinit is definitely in the "waiting" queue. :-( === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vegar [i=vegar@unaffiliated/vegar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] is this the channel to ask questions about the debian/rules script from the kernel source package? [03:28] oh well, I'll give it a shot [03:29] I ran debian/rules custom-binary-vegar, which generated a linux-headers-2.6.22-12-vegar_2.6.22-12.36.deb [03:29] that .deb depends on linux-headers-2.6.22-12. how do I build one of those? === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@85.102.131.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@85.102.131.174] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _2manydjs_ROX [n=illovae@82.65.153.122] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Sais-tu] === cypher1 [n=cypher1@pool-71-187-249-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Somnambulist [n=kvirc@cpe-066-056-140-003.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Vegar: if you build the base package, you'll get that one. [03:53] likewise, once the -12 source is accepted (beta freeze), then it'll get built. === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fcestrada [n=fcestrad@189.141.233.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fcestrada [n=fcestrad@189.141.233.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] lamont: how do I build the base package? [04:04] debuild -b [04:04] it'll, um, take a while [04:04] does it build images for all the architectures? [04:04] all flavors for whatever arch you're running on, yes. [04:05] oh dear [04:05] alterntatively, i'd expect that the linux-headers-2.6.22-12 package will be in the archive sometime tomorrow [04:05] and flavours are read from a file in a debian/*.d directory? [04:05] oh [04:05] tomorrow [04:05] I think so [04:05] now that's interesting [04:06] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue shows it blocked waiting approval [04:06] hah [04:06] debian/rules binary-headers is building it [04:06] wonderful === illovae [n=illovae@lns-bzn-45-82-65-153-122.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orion2012 [n=orion@hypnogogic.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@c-76-29-25-210.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.182.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.182.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.182.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo100168.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=root@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D808A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiborio_ [n=me@FE-6-0-rt-gyp.eag.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-145-195-250.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joejaxx_ [i=joejaxx@alpha.joejaxx.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slangasek [i=vorlon@dsl093-039-086.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === printk [n=jayson@cpe-76-185-237-217.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@unaffiliated/yasumoto] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jepler [n=jepler@emc/developer/jepler] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fade [n=fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aba- [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [i=hile@hack.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas [i=ilonen@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Somnambulist [n=kvirc@cpe-066-056-140-003.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Somnambulist [n=kvirc@cpe-066-056-140-003.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.236.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora41 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-fea185c7655fdf82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.239.71] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcel [n=marcel@lt3.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] Good morning [07:23] morning [07:24] eek, LP offline [07:24] Anyone familiar with LRMI (Linux Real-Mode Interface) know where the latest (0.9?) source is? Sourceforge only seems to have 0.10 and yet I see references to 0.9 in some other packages (e.g. svgalib) [07:27] pitti; crikey. [07:28] what is happening to the world? yesterday gnome bugzilla and today launchpad [07:28] desrt: rollout apparently [07:28] ahh [07:28] Morning pitti === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] morning pitti === _nand_ [n=naand@nusnet-225-253.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] hey ajmitch === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] asac: did you see Q-FUNK's regression in bug 139403? [07:42] Launchpad bug 139403 in network-manager "network-manager should stop managing any interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139403 [07:43] LP back already? [07:43] great === kagou [n=Patrice@88.140.232.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] pitti: asac I had a similar experience, but it may just be a configuration issue. [07:46] I'm assuming that if I comment the device out of interfaces and restart, network-manager should use it, correct? It currently does not. [07:46] oh, that does look a little different now: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz [07:47] evand: right [07:47] nm-applet does not die on me, though. === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] hmm, the latest sysklogd update makes klogd fail to start here.. [07:54] but I guess it's not the same for everyone else [07:58] tepsipakki: runs happily here; any details? [07:59] pitti: let me try a fresh install first. I put [07:59] uh [07:59] pitti: ... 'set -x' in the start script, and then it started fine, so I'm not sure what's going on :) === _nand_ [n=naand@nusnet-190-18.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] hi LaserJock [08:12] hi ajmitch [08:12] I'm trying to debug a not-so-nice bug in feisty [08:13] after a while when I go to logout/hibernate/shutdown the screen just freezes [08:13] or rather it just doesn't do anything [08:15] LaserJock: I solved a similar (if not the same) issue a while back on Feisty, on a local system. I *think* I bug-reported it but I'm not sure; let me have a dig [08:15] that'd be helpful, I don't even know quite what to look for [08:17] I remember having to apply it a couple of times after Feisty kernel updates but it was one of those manual things I kept at the back of my mind [08:18] LaserJock: To help jog my memory, is the system using compiz? === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] nope === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] I'm not *positive* (and so far I can't find a bug-report I made on this), but I *think* the solution yo my issue involved disabling compiz sync to vblank [08:22] s/yo/to/ [08:24] hmm, well I doubt that's my issue [08:24] as I don't use compiz [08:25] I've dealt with so many issues this past few months, I really can't remember which one it was - I do recall the fix was trivial once I recalled how to do it :) [08:25] heh [08:25] I *think* the solution may be in a forum-post I found, which would explain why I can't find a bug-report [08:26] I'm scanning my bookmarks looking for a likely candidate === ant30 [n=aperezar@38.Red-80-36-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] it's so weird. If I logout soon after logging in it's fine [08:31] if I wait a while it gets stuck === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-254-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB58.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71208.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] good morning [08:49] quadrophonic Daniel [08:50] :) [08:50] pitti: klogd still fails to start.. I need to boot in su-mode to debug that.. (now where were the passwords again) === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.249.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] <\sh> moins === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] <\sh> guys, is it allowed to change files inside debian/ directory during build time? [09:07] <\sh> especially .dirs is important for me now === dexem [n=dani@220.Red-83-52-31.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] \sh: preferably not === gicmo [n=gicmo@91.64.103.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] \sh: but if it's just .dirs, you can certainly create the necessary dirs in debian/rules? [09:11] \sh: ... and a lovely good morning! [09:13] grr, this seems to be a gnome-specfic problem :/ [09:14] something maybe in feisty-updates I guess [09:14] LaserJock: is this video driver or kernel specific? [09:14] I have no idea [09:14] LaserJock: you might try with vesa, and with booting the feisty/release kernel? [09:14] hmm [09:15] LaserJock: or with logging out of gnome and suspending with gdm? (to rule out gnome-power-manager, compiz, etc.) [09:15] well, I can't log out of gnome, that's the problem ;-) [09:16] LaserJock: hm? [09:17] my problem is that at some point I can no longer log out of gnome [09:17] it doesn't happen in KDE [09:17] <\sh> pitti: to you too...good morning :) [09:17] and it takes a while of being logged in before it does it [09:18] LaserJock: that sounds like a dbus or session initialization problem === waverman [n=wise_guy@222.124.100.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] LaserJock: check system -> settings -> session -> current session [09:18] <\sh> pitti, problem is, that I'm trying to fix wine on amd64 to deploy it's libs into /usr/lib32 ...but the .dirs files needs /usr/lib so I'm trying to find a solution how to install /usr/lib or /usr/lib32 into the package depending on the arch [09:18] LaserJock: anything there that tries to connect to the session, but fails? (a 'plug' icon) [09:19] not yet [09:19] I do know that it's happened since Feisty's release [09:19] I'd guess a month ago or so [09:19] \sh: sounds like you should do it dynamically in debian/rules; I. e. set a $LIBDIR depending on DEB_BUILD_ARCHITECTURE, and use install -D ... $LIBDIR/ [09:20] \sh: (or make install DESTDIR=... or whatever the upstream build system provides) === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] <\sh> pitti, this is not the problem :) the problem is that the package itself uses .dirs to move the files into the package...but when I only need /usr/lib32 on amd64 and /usr/lib on i386...how to avoid the usage of debian/.install and debian/.dirs...I woud use dh_install in debian/rules and avoid using the automatic stuff [09:22] \sh: .dirs does not move any files, and in most cases, .dirs files are not necessary at all [09:22] <\sh> pitti, the upstream build version is autotools...so no problem with DESTDIR [09:23] \sh: autotools -> ah, that has --libdir or so [09:23] \sh: right, dh_install is too dumb for per-arch directories, so you cannot use that [09:23] <\sh> pitti, yepp..and depending on the build arch i'M setting CONFFLAGS += --libdir=/usr/lib32 on amd64...this is no problem. [09:24] \sh: just use --libdir and DESTDIR=debian/ia32-libs/ ? [09:24] that'll directly install the files into the binary package, isntead of into debian/tmp and using dh_install [09:25] pitti: ok, it just did it again [09:25] pitti: is there any good debugging I can do while it's frozen? [09:26] LaserJock: hm, no idea [09:26] LaserJock: unless you can ssh into the box and look at dmesg? [09:26] I'm on the box [09:26] LaserJock: is only X frozen, or the VTs, too? [09:26] <\sh> pitti, ok...or DESTDIR=debian/tmp and moving the files to the correct location e.g. debian// or debian// [09:27] it's actually just that the logout screen is frozen [09:27] \sh: whichever is easier [09:27] the mouse works [09:27] LaserJock: oh [09:27] <\sh> pitti, thx...this helps me a lot :) [09:27] LaserJock: that moves the bug into the higher gtk levels then [09:28] if I click on *any* button in the logout dialog it does it [09:29] even cancel === jandem [n=jandm@proxy-2.kliksafe.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] pitti: do you know what package is responsible for the logout? [09:33] LaserJock: I'm not entirely sure; dholbach? [09:33] a combination of gdm/gnome-power-manager/gnome-session, I guess === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] hey seb128 === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] hello pitti [09:35] hi MacSlow [09:36] morning seb128 [09:36] hi seb128, pitti, gicmo [09:36] hey MacSlow [09:36] jo MacSlow! === Zdra [n=zdra@90.106-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] gicmo: Alter! [09:36] hi seb128 [09:36] Hi LaserJock [09:36] seb128, gicmo: ALTER [09:36] ALTER! [09:37] hey dholbach [09:37] dholbach, you should have taught seb128 the whole thing... "Alter Schwede!" not just "Alter!" :) === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] ok, so when I go back to X the logout area is just white [09:38] MacSlow: ALTER is enough - I hear that more often than 'Alter Schwede' :) [09:41] seb128, dholbach: any idea of what would make the logout dialog box freeze up? [09:41] in Feisty that is [09:41] freeze? [09:41] like if you click on an action it doesn't do it and doesn't respond to the click? [09:42] LaserJock: no idea, I haven't used feisty in a while [09:43] seb128: exactly [09:44] LaserJock: never seen that, usually the dialog just doesn't open [09:44] no idea [09:44] on my amd64-nvidia box, 'desktop effects can not be started' any more; the resolution does not seem to match the 3D map or something [09:44] you are the first to report a such isssue [09:44] seb128: after I've been logged in for a while, if I click on *any* button it freezes [09:44] the mouse works [09:44] but I gotta restart X to log out, which is kinda annoying [09:45] it doesn't do it in KDE and I tried a fresh .gconf* .gnome* [09:45] LaserJock: I just remembered - when this happened I couldn't restart GDM with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace but could with Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+K === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] CtrlAltBackspace definately works here :-) [09:45] LaserJock: strike 2 :p [09:46] seb128: it's happened since release so I'm guessing it related to an update [09:46] LaserJock: can you switch to a text console? [09:46] yep [09:46] LaserJock: it happened since release so it's not an update, is it? [09:47] everything works except it won't log me out [09:47] seb128: no, I'm saying it started since after the release [09:47] my english wasn't very clear [09:47] do you suspend or hibernate this box? is the lo interface working correctly? [09:47] ok [09:47] it started about maybe 1 month ago [09:47] I do hibernate === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] LaserJock: I wish I could remember how I solved it! It happened on a dual-CPU Matrox G450 dualhead with no compiz, but unfortunately I recently wiped that one [09:48] I think lo is working ok [09:48] I've had lots of fits with swap/hibernation/networking but I thought I got them all worked out [09:49] I just don't understand why hitting the "cancel" even would cause problems [09:50] seb128: it doesn't always do it either, I have to be logged in for some time [09:50] I can log in and then immediately log out no problem [09:50] Yes, that was the symptoms I had as well [09:52] LaserJock: what video chipset and driver is in use? [09:52] it's an ATI 7000 IGP card === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] looks like ati driver [09:54] LaserJock: my memory is returning somewhat... I recall it being an issue with the Composite extension, and disabling it in xorg.conf prevented the freeze. [09:55] that would do it for Gnome specifically? [09:56] gah, I don't even know how to get a xorg.conf in these days of automatic configs [09:57] seb128: I gotta run, is it worth a bug report? [09:57] LaserJock: no, a support request [09:57] LaserJock: a bug should describe a technical issue [09:58] bug #138811 might be related [09:58] Launchpad bug 138811 in gnome-power-manager "Can't access shutdown menu when gnome-power-manager isn't enabled is sessions options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138811 [09:58] seb128: ok [09:58] IntuitiveNipple: I check for gnome-power-manager already === LaserJock is away [10:00] LaserJock: this one looks closer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38915/comments/54 [10:00] Launchpad bug 38915 in ubuntu "Logout proces hangs" [High,Confirmed] [10:04] pitti: that is not an ifupdown regression, but a network-manager crash [10:05] pitti: i have a patch for that. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] asac: you rock [10:12] siretart: wpasupplicant ... we need a decision. 0.6.0 is the development version for development of network-manager 0.7, while 0.5 is the supplicant for network-manager 0.6. [10:13] seb128: hm, I guess removing f-spot from desktop is not an option? [10:13] pitti: no it's not [10:14] it's one of the cool applications nowadays [10:14] it'd be 1.8 MB of the 4 I still need to shave off the CDs... === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] siretart: i think upgrading after beta is better than downgrading, so maybe we should really consider to downgrade now. [10:14] can't we bzip some packages to win those 4meg? [10:14] siretart: let me know. [10:14] seb128: we already did so with the most promising ones [10:15] no need of promising ones to win 4meg [10:15] seb128: gnome-user-docs recently grew by 2 MB, due to translations, I guess [10:15] not sure whether we can optimize this a bit, it's a pretty big hog [10:15] can't we remove some fonts? [10:15] seb128: we did so yesterday, that saved us 6 MB === pitti hugs ArneGoetje [10:16] asac: I've been using the 0.5.9 version for quite some time now. the "timeouts messages" haven't vanished completely, but they are much fewer compared to 0.6 === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:16] seb128: and I asked calc for some OO.o changes which will give us another 10 MB [10:16] asac: I currently suspect that network-manager folks develop and test with that version rather than with 0.6 [10:16] hi Keybuk [10:16] asac: therefore I agree to you that it seems to be better for our users to ship with 0.5.9 [10:17] pitti: do we have a list of what is installed on the CD and the size of each package somewhere? [10:17] seb128: loop-mount the CD and ls -lR :) [10:17] seb128: the list of pacakges is in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/gutsy-alternate-i386.list [10:17] seb128: and in the .manifest files for -live [10:18] where do you need to win 4meg? desktop CD? alternate? === pitti kills nvidia-glx from the i386 alternate, it's already gone on amd64 [10:18] seb128: alternate is most pressing [10:18] seb128: we don't have *any* langpacks on desktops any more either, so getting some space there would also be cool [10:18] you can remove f-spot from alternate if required I guess === Nicke [n=niclasa@dyna227-234.nada.kth.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] I don't expect many desktop user using alternate anyway [10:19] seb128: f-spot is in -desktop [10:19] seb128: so we can only remove it from ubuntu-desktop, not just from alternate [10:19] no then [10:19] pitti: morning [10:20] /pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.1-056+2ubuntu1_i386.deb [10:20] is vim required on the CD? [10:20] we already have nano [10:21] seb128: right, let's kill that as well, at least for beta [10:21] and why is thunderbird-locale-en-gb_2.0.0.0+1-0ubuntu1_all.deb listed? we don't install thunderbird by default [10:21] or until we get OO.o smaller [10:21] seb128: language-support-en dependency [10:21] seb128: we already removed language-support-en from amd64, though [10:21] shouldn't it be a recommend? === dexem [n=dani@220.Red-83-52-31.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk adds "ship on DVD by default" to the Hardy list :p === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F767F7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] Keybuk: that'll loose us many testers and downloaders, though [10:23] pitti: surely it's better than being unable to add anything new to Ubuntu ever again? [10:23] seb128: ok, vim (6 MB) and nvidia-glx (8 MB on i386) removed [10:23] pitti: do we need wamerican and wbritish? only one of those wouldn't be enough? [10:24] siretart: how about the startup delay we see in bug 141233. how many tries do you usually see in 0.5.9 to connect to global control socket? [10:24] Launchpad bug 141233 in wpasupplicant "MASTER network-manager crashes when wpasupplicant ctrl socket is not available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141233 [10:24] seb128: language-support-en, again [10:24] pitti: well, we can modify language-support-en if required no? ;) [10:24] seb128: we could drop language-support-en from the CDs and only install a subset of its dependencies, of course [10:26] asac: err, I didn't notice that. While grepping through my logs, I do see that message, but the delay is less than a second [10:27] Keybuk: it would encourage us to throw in a lot of stuff without ever cleaning up cruft, though [10:28] ok, this should get down amd64 alternate to 702 MB and i386 alternate to 700 MB [10:28] let's hope we get the new OO.o soon [10:28] I don't think we will manage to keep everything on one CD much longer anyway [10:29] that has always been a strong point of Ubuntu, though *sniff* [10:30] true, but increasing numbers of people have DVD writers now [10:31] and we don't need to fill the DVD, we could still artificially limit ourselves to <1GB or something [10:31] the main problem with DVDs will be the size of them and downloading taking a while rather than burning them [10:32] <2GB would at least be good, so we don't end up running into funny file system limitations. *cough, fat* [10:32] right, bandwidth is still an issue in many parts of the world (except Norway, of course :-P) [10:33] I only have 6.5Mbit at home. [10:33] at the office, I'm not sure. [10:33] or we should stop using openoffice, but there is no good GNOME office at the moment :/ [10:33] seb128: gedit! === seb128 slaps Keybuk [10:34] epiphany+webkit instead of firefox/gecko? [10:34] that seems quite a bit smaller [10:34] only 15Mbit here, it seems. [10:35] if ubuntu-devel were Facebook, I would totally be in the "Get rid of OpenOffice.org now" group === pochu [n=emilio@95.Red-83-32-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@125-129.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A677EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] from the number of people who have been having problems with oversized CD images of late, I do not think it is yet true to say that most of the Ubuntu testing community have DVD writers [10:45] entry-level laptops still frequently come with DVD readers at best - DVD writers are an option [10:45] Keybuk: except that epiphany depends: firefox :) [10:46] pitti: which is why he suggested using the webkit patches, I believe [10:46] pitti: Keybuk suggests to switch to webkit ;) [10:47] ah === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Some sites heavily relying on JS (most notably Google Apps like Docs & Spreadsheets) broke with Safari at least. Is this fixed with current Webkit? (I can't think of that as I guess Google blocks incompatible browsers on its own.) [10:52] iwj: thanks for your fix for #137191! === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-47-39-199.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] pkern: try? apt-get install libwebkitgdk0d ; /usr/lib/WebKit/GdkLauncher === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] Mithrandir: I'm waiting for new cd builds to install Ubuntu I'm afraid. But well I guess I could fire up qemu-kvm, but then I will probably first need to download a trackload of new packages. === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@a89-182-65-94.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] Well, I can't even hit "Log in" on Google's Frontpage with it... === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] mail.google.com doesn't work for me neither. (Page somehow doesn't load.) [11:15] And clicking on a link on Heise Newsticker first worked fine, but near the end of the loading progress the program just crashed with "Fatal IO error 14 (Bad address) on X server" [11:16] This just doesn't look useable to me \: === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] ogra_: FYI, in ubuntu I removed nvidia-glx from ship; I merge this change to edubuntu seeds, since you have quite a size problem, too; please lart me and revert if that isn't desired by you [11:21] asac: oops, you broke it. or do i blame the kernel upload? [11:22] pitti, nvidia-glx ? [11:23] but compiz by default ????? [11:23] what do our users do with compiz without a driver ? [11:24] (i'm fine to drop whatever ubuntu drops, just curious why we drop specifically this) [11:24] ogra_: it's just in ship, and we need to free some space [11:24] ogra_: and it's not enabled by default anyway [11:25] ogra_: well, I don't like it either, but we have to drop *something* :/ [11:25] true [11:25] indeed, dont ntell me [11:25] i still have a bit more to cut down [11:25] ogra_: that, and the next OO.o will fix Ubuntu's space problem, but it's not even enough for edubuntu === pitti hugs ogra_ === doko [n=doko@161.116.111.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] ah, well, i'll find something ... [11:26] drop the kernel or so, i'll put it on the addon CD :P === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] pitti: Will you trigger a rebuild of Ubuntu daily alternate later, with the size fixes applied? [11:26] latest update of gutsy was broken my boot [11:27] on local.scripts [11:27] pkern: yes, once the new kernel has been settled [11:27] evening sabdfl [11:28] howdy Hobbsee [11:29] bug #137441 [11:29] Launchpad bug 137441 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "update iwlwifi drivers and firmware in gutsy >=0.1.14" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137441 [11:29] What I wondered about: why is build-essential shipped on the CD? [11:29] pkern: for the poor people who have to use ndiswrapper and the like. [11:29] pitti, oh, the lastest changes i made aer not in yet, i delayed the meta rebiuld for more ubuntu changes ... i dropped samba from -server, that should gain another 5-7M [11:29] probably thats enough [11:29] Hobbsee: network-manager will get a fix for bug 141106 (old bug, but now needed) and bug 141233 (introduced in ubuntu11) [11:29] Launchpad bug 141106 in network-manager "network manager crashes when /etc/network/interfaces is touched [race] " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141106 [11:29] Launchpad bug 141233 in wpasupplicant "MASTER network-manager crashes when wpasupplicant ctrl socket is not available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141233 [11:30] pkern: pretty much every one of these things is accompanied by a huge argument that you can probably find if you look back in the archives [11:30] asac: i got the new kernel upload last night - my ipw3945 keeps trying to ask for the wpa p/w. [11:30] Hobbsee: packages.ubuntu.com lists no ndiswrapper-source for gutsy, am I missing a rename? [11:30] Hobbsee: modinfo ipw3945 | grep ^version [11:30] at this point there is almost nothing in the seeds that won't cause somebody problems if removed; which is why we often try to concentrate on shrinking things rather than removing things instead [11:31] asac: version: 1.2.2mp.ubuntu1 [11:31] Hobbsee: has not been updated then [11:31] (unless they didn't bump version info) [11:31] asac: i was using the newer version from you, iirc? [11:32] Hobbsee: no that is my version [11:32] pkern, the general bits for a module build to get HW supported must be always there ... (but thats far from being what build-essential contains) [11:32] Hobbsee: no changes ... maybe ask on -kernel if they added another patch or something, but i don't think so [11:32] asac: as in, so they took your version, or their version never ovewrote yours [11:32] right [11:32] Hobbsee: he? [11:33] Hobbsee: it did ... its just the same module version :) [11:33] s/ovewrote/overwrote/ [11:33] asac: ah right. === Hobbsee wonders why it broke, then. === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.222.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] pitti: hi, do you plan to do a new full language pack update for Gutsy before beta release? [11:35] pitti, meh, you dropped vim as well :'-/ [11:36] !ping [11:36] pong === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] ogra_: oh, did I? according to the conflict it wasn't there before [11:36] dunno, i only read the commit message in ubuntu [11:37] ogra_: sorry, if you need it, put it back; (but we have vim-tiny in minimal) [11:37] no, dont need it [11:37] ogra_: right, in ubuntu, but it wasn't even there before in edubuntu [11:37] ah, i didnt know ubuntu shipped that differently [11:37] carlos: hm, I didn't plan it actually [11:37] i dropped the big vim package releases ago :) [11:38] right :) [11:38] pkern: hmm. seems so [11:38] pitti: there is at least one application that misses translations because was moved from universe to main after latest language pack export === ogra_ thought you also droopped vim-tiny === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] pitti: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer/+bug/123544 [11:38] Launchpad bug 123544 in kmplayer "Langpack does not include kmplayer's translations" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:38] pitti: a full export would fix it [11:38] Hobbsee: is it just that your pass is not remembered or that you can't connect anymore? [11:38] ogra_: no, that would be blasphemy! [11:38] hi. is there any ETA for when the linux-ubuntu-modules FTBS will be fixed? [11:38] pitti, ! [11:39] carlos: well, sure, why not [11:39] asac: the latter. [11:39] carlos: it would also downsize the langpacks a bit (which doesn't help much because we don't have any on the CDs, but we might be able to put some back later) [11:39] pitti: ok, thanks [11:39] Hobbsee: i need your syslog then [11:40] carlos: thanks to you; will you ping me once the tarball is available? [11:40] sure, I will do it using the new infrastructure on production [11:40] mvo: You're welcome. Have you seen 137191 before ? [11:40] laga: we're working on fixing the publisher at the moment. It's not really a true build failure, just waiting for other stuff to be published [11:40] so we can test that === amitk [n=amit@a91-154-119-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] laga: there was a Soyuz rollout this morning which caused some problems [11:41] asac: FWIW, http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/syslog [11:41] cjwatson: thanks. [11:42] iwj: I'm not sure, maybe in one other report [11:42] iwj: but its not a frequent error [11:42] asac: (i switch to wired in there, adn try the wifi multiple times, hence the FWIW) === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@168-160.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] bleh! my panels just resized to 75% of the screen after restarting with the latest updates.. [11:45] Hobbsee: Is this an intel issue? === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.241.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] davmor2: ipw3945, yes. [11:45] Hobbsee: it asks you for a password? [11:45] asac: yes [11:46] Mine is working fine.... I don't get asked for a password anymore now it just magically connects. [11:46] asac: i change it, and change it back, hit OK, then it goes back to configuring devices, and spits me another p/w box ~15 seconds later. [11:46] davmor2: mine has been, up till this point. [11:47] mvo: Quite a scary one, when I found it. It could have done almost anything ... [11:47] Hobbsee: Hang on I'll grab me lappy [11:47] Hobbsee: yes ... you don't get an association event ... somehow [11:47] iwj: Did you get any further with kylem about the modem driver issue? [11:47] so it times out and thinks it might be a password issue === kagou [n=Patrice@88.140.232.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48]