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[_Trimble_] shit, something is broken - my box wont' finish booting01:19
[_Trimble_] how do i bring down the mythbuntu curtain to see the boot screen?01:19
lagayou select "failsafe mode" in grub.01:20
[_Trimble_] kk thx01:20
lagahit ESC to get to the grub menu on boot01:20
[_Trimble_] (recovery mode) ?01:21
[_Trimble_] yeah01:21
superm1well wait?01:21
superm1recovery mode puts you isingle user mode01:21
superm1that might not be what you want01:21
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[_Trimble_] lol that brings me to a terminal screen and it stops booting01:22
lagaoh :/01:22
lagaok01:22
[_Trimble_] yeah, i dont think that's what i want01:23
superm1well type exit01:23
lagathen you go to grub, select the normal kernel entry, hit "e", go to the kernel line, hit "e" and remove "quiet splash" from that line01:23
superm1at that prompt01:23
lagahit enter to save, "b" to boot01:23
[_Trimble_] thanks laga01:25
[_Trimble_] oh great.  screen went blank and it appears to have stopped01:26
[_Trimble_] ok, i cant figure out what i broke :(01:32
[_Trimble_] i reboot it, and watched.. just before the screen goes blank, i see something about loading samba, then something about loading gnome manager, then about 4 more lines, then the screen goes blank and it stops HD activity.01:33
[_Trimble_] i hope someone can help :(01:33
laga[_Trimble_] : can you use CTRL+ALT+F1 to get a terminal?01:34
lagamaybe you have to hit return a few times01:34
[_Trimble_] no dice01:34
[_Trimble_] ctrl+alt+f1 - f10 nothing01:34
laga:/#01:35
lagacan you ssh in?01:35
[_Trimble_] no01:35
lagawas ssh actually enabled?01:36
laga;)01:36
[_Trimble_] yes01:36
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laga:/01:37
[_Trimble_] i dont want to start over /again/01:37
lagacan you go to single user mode again and look in /var/log/messages for clues?01:37
[_Trimble_] sure i can try that01:38
[_Trimble_] well, i logged in and nano'd messages,but the system seems to be dropping CIFS VFS: Error connecting to IPv4 socket. Aborting operation messages on top of it01:40
[_Trimble_] hell, i dont know what im looking for :(01:42
[_Trimble_] last few lines are related to lirc pvr150, and that's what I was working on, so....01:42
[_Trimble_] i edited hardware.conf backto lirc_i2c and rebooted.. let's see..01:43
[_Trimble_] yeah, that fixed it.01:45
[_Trimble_] it didn't like lirc_pvr15001:45
morphinexdamn, I can't remember my database user/pass01:46
morphinexhaha, I set this up a year ago and just let it work until now01:46
[_Trimble_] isn't it shown in the mythtv setup screen?01:46
morphinexoh, good call, now i remember01:47
laga[_Trimble_] : that's weird01:50
[_Trimble_] heh01:50
lagamake superm1 berhappy and file a bug? :>01:50
[_Trimble_] perhaps01:51
[_Trimble_] well, times up.. survivor is starting :(01:57
[_Trimble_] ttyl01:58
lagayup02:07
lagag'night. bed time02:07
morphinexdamn02:21
morphinexthis LVM thing is going ot be a problem02:21
morphinexI have two drive, hda has two partitions on it, one is / and one is combined via LVM with the entirety of hdb02:21
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morphinexSo, my install locked up at the proprietary drivers screen02:55
tgm4883_laptopmorphinex, yep03:02
tgm4883_laptop!bug 13716703:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13716703:02
tgm4883_laptopdang im good03:02
tgm4883_laptopi didn't even have to look that up03:02
tgm4883_laptopwe need to set that up so everytime someone says proprietary driver ubotu says that03:03
tgm4883_laptop!ubotu03:03
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots03:03
morphinexhe03:05
morphinexso... can I install propriatary drivers at a later point?03:05
tgm4883_laptopyep03:05
tgm4883_laptopinstall it after install03:06
chuk1whats the best way to see what changes in each version of trunk?03:06
morphinextgm4883 ok, thanks03:08
morphinexwish I had looked at the channel before it locked up a second time ;)03:08
tgm4883_laptopchuk1, changelog?03:08
chuk1ok, dumber question...  where do I find the changelog?03:10
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morphinexSo how do make it not automatically run mythfrontend?03:42
morphinexSo i can mess with some settings, import my database, etc03:42
chuk1if you log out, it should bring you to log on screen03:42
chuk1where you can change session03:42
tgm4883_laptopor you can ssh in and update03:42
chuk1that too...03:42
morphinexAh03:43
morphinexIsn't there a control center or something?03:43
tgm4883_laptopyes03:43
tgm4883_laptopi'd update it first as the alpha 4 cd doesn't have the updated one03:43
tgm4883_laptopwith terminal access03:43
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morphinexjust sudo apt-get update03:44
tgm4883_laptopwell, sudo apt-get update03:44
tgm4883_laptopthen sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:45
morphinexok03:45
morphinexIs all this on a wiki somewhere?03:45
tgm4883_laptopusually you just need a sudo apt-get upgrade, but we need some extra packages i think03:45
tgm4883_laptopnot yet, not that i know of03:45
morphinexIf not, I might add it to mine03:45
tgm4883_laptopwell, alot of this will be unnecessary03:46
tgm4883_laptopthe next release should have many of these issues fixed03:46
morphinexwill it be easty to get from this to the final 7.10?03:47
tgm4883_laptopyes03:48
tgm4883_laptopshould be03:48
morphinexsweet03:49
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Mersaultlaga: are you around?04:29
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superm1laga, ah here is why it still hasn't appeared: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/2.6.22-12.2904:44
superm1we're waiting on a new kernel to build first.04:44
superm1ugh;04:44
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morphinexSo my TV out isn't quite working05:07
morphinexThe TV looks kind of... fuzzy05:07
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bendaileygood evening?05:26
bendaileylogs05:29
bendaileyirc log05:29
bendaileyubotu: log05:29
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs05:29
foxxbuntubendailey, I have another DNS record for you to create05:30
morphinexhowdy05:30
bendaileyfoxxbuntu: greay05:30
bendaileymorphinex: hello05:31
foxxbuntuI just bought some hosting05:31
bendaileyfoxxbuntu: that is fantastic do you bandwidth limits?05:31
foxxbuntufor this one yeah05:31
foxxbuntuwhile I wait on the ISP05:31
foxxbuntubut its 2.5TB / month05:31
bendaileyI can do DNS now or you can shoot me an email05:32
foxxbuntulet me get you the ip05:32
bendaileywow that is better than the 2TB /month I bought05:32
bendaileyok great05:32
foxxbuntuyea you want to know what it cost?05:32
foxxbuntu$83/year05:32
bendaileywow that is fantastic05:32
bendaileyI paid more like 110/year05:32
bendaileywhere did you buy?05:33
foxxbuntuits got 250GB of storae too05:33
foxxbuntuwww.anhosting.com05:33
bendaileygood deal05:33
bendaileydo you remember the link to check torrent stats on mythbuntu.org?05:33
foxxbuntu216.104.43.24205:33
bendaileyok where is the server located?05:33
foxxbuntunope sorry05:33
foxxbuntuChicago05:33
bendaileyI can't get the i386 iso torrent for squat right now05:33
foxxbuntuuh oh05:34
foxxbuntudo you have the file structure and cron jobs I need to make it work with the other mirrors?05:35
bendaileyfile structure is currently root of webhosting and we just ftped images up to my servers no cronjobs05:36
cooper76fyi, schedules direct is now at $20/yr05:37
cooper76that was quick!05:37
bendaileyok us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org resolves here05:38
bendaileycooper76: yeah that was quick I just got done giving a presentation on MythTV at the Fort Wayne LUG and was just talking about that milestone and how quickly that had made it through the previous ones05:39
foxxbuntuYAY... I am actually in my web hosting now!!05:43
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bendaileyfoxbuntu: I can see the default apache splash on your web host :)05:47
foxxbuntuyea05:47
foxxbuntuI am just geting things started05:47
foxxbuntuI have to get Drupal setup on here yet05:48
bendaileyWe need to get with Daviey and setup a weighting system based on GB/month so that we don't exhaust any host to quickly05:48
bendaileydo you think that will work well for the mirrors?05:48
foxxbuntuyea it should be alright05:50
foxxbuntubendailey, do you have the current iso somewhere so i can get it up on my server?05:50
foxxbuntusince you said DL was slow05:50
bendaileyI only have it on my mirrors05:51
bendaileyyou don't have shell access do you?05:52
foxxbuntuuh05:52
foxxbuntulet me look05:52
foxxbuntubendailey, not atm...but they noted I just have to contact support to get it05:54
bendaileyif you get shell I can give links to my first mirror which is not currently in rotation and you can pull them with wget05:55
bendaileymy first mirror was 100GB/month it was all used in 6 days05:56
bendaileybut they have just today doubled my allowance05:56
foxxbuntuah05:58
foxxbuntubendailey, PM me the link and I will do it later after support gets back to me05:59
bendaileyfoxxbuntu: did you get pm?06:02
foxxbuntuyup06:02
foxxbuntuthanks06:02
bendaileyno problem06:02
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foxxbuntusuperm1, the new mirror host is coming online tonight06:07
superm1okay let me or Daviey know when its ready to be added to the rotation06:07
superm1and we can add it to the download script06:07
foxxbuntuk06:07
foxxbuntuI will be pulling the isos over as soon as I get shell access06:08
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MythbuntuGuest94While I am using mythbuntu with my streamzap remote the screen goes blank after 10 minutes of watching video the I have to press a key on the keyboard to get the screen to come back up.  Durring this time I can still hear the audio just fine.06:10
superm1MythbuntuGuest94, yeah someone else reported the same thing.06:11
superm1tgm4883, figure it out eventually?06:11
superm1MythbuntuGuest94, as a temporary check if it solves the problem, can you06:11
superm1xset -dpms06:11
superm1from a console on the system?  You can get to one via the control centre06:11
tgm4883superm1, figure out what?06:12
superm1the dpms / X screensaver solution06:12
tgm4883ah06:13
tgm4883as to my screen going blank during tv?06:13
tgm4883it was the gnome screen saver06:13
tgm4883and you can use the terminal from the control centre06:13
tgm4883but not as the root user, you have to do it as the regular user06:13
MythbuntuGuest94how do you get to the control center?06:14
superm1from the settings menu06:14
tgm4883setup setup mythbuntu06:14
tgm4883or something like that06:15
MythbuntuGuest94I am there but don't set a terminal06:15
superm1MythbuntuGuest94, have you not apt-get update/apt-get upgraded?06:15
tgm4883sounds like you need to update06:15
superm1the new version includes the terminal option in the control centre06:15
tgm4883superm1, i think it requires a apt-get dist-upgrade06:15
MythbuntuGuest94I did that from a remote terminal06:16
superm1then you should see it in the advanced management tab06:16
superm1of the control centre06:16
MythbuntuGuest94but don't have access to a local terminal that I know of06:16
MythbuntuGuest94I don't have any tabs in the mythbuntu control center just buttons on the left06:17
superm1exactly06:17
superm1the buttons on the left06:17
superm1there is an 'advanced management' button06:17
MythbuntuGuest94no I don't have that button06:17
MythbuntuGuest94how do I get that button06:17
superm1you need to make sure that you have updated the control centre06:18
superm1it should have happened when you apt-get dist-upgraded06:18
tgm4883superm1, does the newer control centre depend on more packages than the old version?06:18
superm1yes06:18
tgm4883ok06:18
tgm4883you need to dist-upgrade then06:18
superm1the version you should have is 0.5-0ubuntu106:18
MythbuntuGuest94how do I check version06:18
superm1apt-cache policy mythbuntu-control-centre06:19
tgm4883i also think a sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre should work06:19
tgm4883as that should just update the control centre and get any other required packages06:20
TechBillwhat the command for dis-upgrade .. was it apptuide dis-upgrade?06:20
TechBillI forgot 8-/06:20
tgm4883apt-get dist-upgrade06:20
TechBillok thanks06:20
TechBillit's CBill just changed my nick to this one now .. 8-)06:20
tgm4883ok, off to get hooked on Heroes06:21
TechBillbut keeping notes of it06:21
TechBilllater tgm488306:21
tgm4883later06:21
superm1tgm4883, wait06:21
tgm4883yea06:21
superm1you didn't have to do *anything* wrg to dpms then?06:21
superm1to get things working?06:21
superm1just the gnome screensaver stuff06:21
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tgm4883no, I just disabled the gnome screensaver stuff.  I had also disabled dpms, but have since re-enabled it and have watched around 5 shows with everything working properly06:22
tgm4883so06:22
FoxMedia<--- www.foxmediasystems.com06:22
tgm4883all you should need to do is06:22
tgm4883open the terminal in the control centre06:22
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tgm4883su - user  (not totally sure on this command, you need to basically log in as the reg user in the terminal)06:23
tgm4883^^^ NOT ROOT06:23
tgm4883and then run gnome-screensaver-manager06:23
superm1tgm4883, if this persists upon the next cd release06:23
tgm4883disable the screensaver and then exit06:23
superm1we need to find a way to script the solution06:23
superm1into a package06:23
tgm4883if it persists, i'll look into it06:24
tgm4883cause it's a major problem06:24
superm1okay sweet06:24
superm1enjoy the heroes, you've got a lot to watch to get ready for monday :)06:24
tgm4883rough date on next cd?06:24
superm1asap06:24
tgm4883supem1, I have a LOT to watch.  I just finished episode 2 of season 106:24
tgm4883:)06:24
superm1wow06:24
foxxbuntusuperm1, I got your Im about the alignment on 1024x768...any ideas how far its off?06:25
tgm4883But I definetly think it's going into my list06:25
TechBillI never seen Heros but I seen them out in Best Buy on DVD06:25
superm1pretty bad06:25
foxxbuntuthats really strange, I never changed that06:25
tgm4883TechBill, Blockbuster online, it's pretty sweet06:25
superm1foxxbuntu, yeah i think you did06:25
superm1i saw position stuff modified in the .c file?06:25
foxxbuntudid i?06:25
tgm4883Anyway out all, off to Save the cheerleader and save the world06:26
foxxbuntuoh you know...maybe in one of the very first revs06:26
TechBillcan MythTV play online stuffs from Blockbuster or you have to have a DRM software to play that?06:26
foxxbuntuand I never fixed it06:26
foxxbuntusuperm1, I will get it looked at asap06:26
tgm4883TechBill, all those movie download services require WMP 1106:26
tgm4883ok, really out this time06:26
TechBillah ok06:26
TechBillthanks06:26
MythbuntuGuest94ok caught up now06:28
MythbuntuGuest94how do I pull up the gnome screensaver manager?06:28
superm1you have to 'su username'06:29
superm1where username is your name06:29
superm1and then gnome-screensaver-preferences06:29
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MythbuntuGuest59hi all06:33
MythbuntuGuest94got it thanks a bunch06:33
MythbuntuGuest59does anyone know of a free guide data service?06:33
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superm1MythbuntuGuest59, the rates for schedules direct just dropped06:37
superm1its 20/yr now06:37
MythbuntuGuest59is that the only option?06:38
superm1honestly i haven't researched to look into any other options06:39
superm1you can check in #mythtv-users06:39
superm1and on the mailing list06:39
superm1do report back though if you find something06:39
superm1i'm sure that we'll get the same question06:39
foxxbuntusuperm1, I am in love with Drupal06:41
foxxbuntu:)06:41
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superm1drupal is very easy and fun to use :)06:44
foxxbuntuthat indeed06:46
foxxbuntuI have already uploaded like 10 plugins06:46
foxxbuntuof course google analytics was first06:46
foxxbuntusuperm1, I can add a torrent tracker from my site too if need be06:47
foxxbuntuI just put the drupal plugin up06:48
morphinexoh, so close07:27
TechBillhrmmm got an issue07:36
TechBillI had Mythbuntu running for several days since I installed it and tonight did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it upgrade a bunch of pacakge then locked up hrmm07:37
TechBillrebooting it then07:38
TechBillhrmm everything seem to be fine now after the reboot07:42
TechBilldid a dist-upgrade and no new upgrade so it must have installed everything fine07:43
TechBillaw it cannot find backend server damn07:44
TechBillbackend is running07:45
TechBillbut frontend can't find it after the get-apt dist-upgrade07:45
TechBillany idea what may broke?07:46
foxxbuntusuperm1, you there?07:50
foxxbuntuDaviey, you there?07:50
TechBillI am suspecting that host file disappeared .. where should it be at?07:51
TechBillat /etc/host?07:51
superm1/etc/hosts07:52
foxxbuntuTechBill, just re-run mythtv-setup from the Control Centre and add the server information back in07:52
TechBillthe server information is already in there07:52
TechBillhrmm07:52
foxxbuntuoh07:52
TechBillwell I am running mythfilldatabase now07:52
superm1foxxbuntu, what you need?07:52
foxxbuntusuperm1, go ahead and add my server to the rotation07:52
superm1what is the server?07:52
foxxbuntuthe second iso is almost in07:52
TechBillbut I don't see the hosts file so the upgrade delete it for some reason07:52
superm1well it needs to be all done07:52
superm1before i add it in07:52
foxxbuntuus-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org07:52
TechBillah found it07:53
TechBillinformation is in there07:53
TechBilloh well waiting for mythfilldatabase to complete then Ill see if it working again07:53
foxxbuntusuperm1, alright..it will be done in aprox 4 mins07:53
TechBillI am glad I waited until today to sign up with SD07:54
TechBill20 a year now 8-)07:54
foxxbuntuits retro active TechBill07:54
TechBillwait I see the error in hosts07:54
TechBillwhy did it change the hostname from 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.1.107:54
TechBill127.0.0.1       localhost07:55
TechBill127.0.1.1       MediaBox07:55
TechBillI didn't see what ip it set when I first install mythbuntu but it should be same as localhost07:57
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superm1TechBill, that is correct07:57
superm1that file07:57
TechBilloh it is?07:57
superm1127.0.0.1       localhost07:57
superm1127.0.1.1       portablemario07:57
TechBillhostname have a different ip than the localthose?07:57
superm1is how mine looks07:57
TechBillok07:57
TechBillok it working now07:57
TechBillafter doing a myth-setup and database fill07:57
TechBillguess i hvae to set up everytime I do a upgrade07:58
TechBilldon't you normally keep the hostname and localhost the same ip?07:58
TechBillcool I saw you add Snapstream remote to the list now07:59
TechBilllet me test it 8-)07:59
superm1shouldn't need to change too much with having to rerun myth-setup and database fill on upgrades08:00
superm1that's kinda odd you did need to08:00
TechBillyeah08:00
TechBillbut it working08:00
superm1TechBill, they are on different subnets08:01
superm1that's just what ubuntu does08:01
TechBillah I se08:01
TechBillsee08:01
TechBillI just select the SnapStream remote and pop up a box Control Centre Progress "Configuring Application Specific Remote buttons .." but box still stuck there08:01
TechBilleven progress bar is full the box isn't disappearing and seem to be stuck08:02
TechBillam I suppose to close it myself?08:02
superm1you haven't upgraded to the latest mythbuntu-lirc-generator or mythbuntu-control-centre08:02
superm1if that is happening08:02
TechBillah it doesn't get upgraded with dist?08:03
superm1it should have08:03
TechBillwell I closed box08:03
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superm1okay08:03
TechBilland now it kinda locked up08:03
superm1can you pastebin your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ?08:03
superm1i wonder if you had a weird side effect from the upgrade08:03
superm1that i was thinking might happen08:03
TechBillok sec08:03
TechBillneed to ssh in08:04
TechBillgive me a sec08:04
TechBilllooks good to me .. putting it in pastebin08:05
superm1also do these08:05
superm1apt-cache policy mythbuntu-control-centre | grep Installed08:05
TechBillhttp://pastebin.com/m5add84af08:05
superm1apt-cache policy mythbuntu-lirc-generator | grep Installed08:05
TechBillbtw this is CBiLL just change my nick to this one from now on08:05
superm1right08:06
superm1yea that file looks fine08:06
TechBillhttp://pastebin.com/mb5d4f2f08:07
superm1those are indeed the latest versions too.08:07
superm1hmm very interesting that the window would have gotten stuck08:07
TechBillyup08:07
TechBillwell should I reboot the box then?08:07
TechBillmythtv seem to be frozen08:08
MythbuntuGuest06I am having trouble getting vnc authenticate me it keeps on refusing connections08:08
superm1actually08:08
superm1hit ctrl alt backspace08:08
TechBillok08:08
superm1and that will just restart x08:08
TechBillnothing08:08
superm1can you try to run the control centre one more time08:08
superm1interesting08:08
TechBillthere08:08
foxxbuntusuperm1, I am ready now08:08
TechBillI didn't press ctrl hard enough08:08
superm1TechBill, can you run the control centre once more08:09
foxxbuntuserver has the iso's and md5's08:09
TechBillyes08:09
TechBillgoing back there08:09
superm1and have it reconfigure the remote specific buttons08:09
superm1and make sure it doesnt do that again08:09
superm1if ti does, then, i'll need a backtrace filed to fix it08:09
foxxbuntusuperm1, crap actually hold off on that08:09
TechBillok changing remote to no remote08:09
superm1well dont need to do that even08:09
foxxbuntuI think my IP is going to change soon08:09
superm1just need to hit the checkbox08:09
TechBillok08:09
superm1below to generate the buttons08:09
TechBillseem to be stuck08:09
TechBillsame thing08:09
superm1okay then08:10
superm1you'll have to run the control centre like this08:10
superm1sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre08:10
TechBillshould it wipe the hardware.config?08:10
superm1and then when it gets to that part hopefully it spits a backtrace to the terminal08:10
TechBillok08:10
TechBillstarting via terminal08:10
TechBillyes error08:12
superm1can you paste bin it08:12
TechBilltrying to figure how to copy the error and paste it over on this computer08:13
TechBillyeah I can in a sec08:14
TechBillsaved it in a txt and need to ftp it over here08:14
superm1ah08:14
superm1foxxbuntu, why is your ip going to change?08:15
foxxbuntusuperm1, I was on a shared one with the basic package and I just bought a Static IP08:16
morphinexhey guys, just wanted to let you know that I got evertthing working in just one one night thanks to mythbuntu08:16
TechBillsuperm1 : here you go -> http://pastebin.com/m476d315f08:16
morphinexWhen I set up FC6 it took like three days08:16
superm1awesome morphinex :)08:16
TechBillneed to install firefox on mythbuntu hehe 8-)08:16
foxxbuntuso ben will be glad to find out that the DNS record will need updated :)08:17
superm1TechBill, its installed :)08:17
TechBilloh08:17
superm1TechBill, okay you've got a weird situation here08:17
superm1your .lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc are symlinks?08:17
TechBillyes it is indeed installed =P08:17
TechBilllet me look08:17
TechBilleither don't seem to be symlinks08:19
TechBillbut both files exists08:19
superm1are they hardlinks?08:19
TechBillseem like it08:19
superm1#08:19
superm1shutil.Error: `/home/mediabox/.lircrc` and `/home/mediabox/.mythtv/lircrc` are the same file08:19
superm1because that is the only explanation i can see for that08:19
TechBillwhich is suppose to be symlnk?08:19
TechBillto the other08:19
superm1well neither needs to be a symlink08:20
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superm1but them being a hardlink really throws the app08:20
superm1did you do that yourself?08:20
TechBillyes I manually edit one of them myself08:20
superm1which one?08:20
TechBillcan't remember which one .. I saw one was a symlink to other so I did the one that wasn't a symlink08:21
TechBillbut I do clearly remember one of the lircrc was a symlink to the other lircrc08:21
superm1okay so now niether is a symlink though08:22
superm1that's really odd08:22
TechBillright08:22
TechBillls -l telling me both are actual files08:22
TechBilldon't see a lircrc => to another lircrc08:22
TechBilllike me double check it08:22
superm1well it sounds like when you tried to make the symlink before08:22
superm1you actually did a ln without the -s08:23
superm1and you made a hardlink08:23
superm1can you file a bug with this against the control-centre?08:23
TechBillnever made a symlnk before08:23
superm1and some notes that you may have symlinks or hardlinks in place08:23
TechBillI think the lircrc in /mythtv was a symlnk to the .lircrc last time I checked08:24
TechBillthen after apt-get upgrade both are hardfile now08:24
TechBillor the remote config made them hardfile08:24
superm1well in the bug i think i just need to get some code in there that will work around them in any of these situations08:25
TechBillbut I do know one of the lircrc was a symlink by default when I installed Mythbuntu and only edited one of the lircrc08:25
superm1so just file the bug, and i'll try to look at it this weekend08:25
TechBillok08:25
TechBillwill do08:25
superm1in the interim, remove one of those files08:26
superm1and just copy it08:26
superm1from the other one08:26
superm1so that the control centre doesnt break08:26
TechBillalright08:27
TechBillI just put my own custom lircrc back in08:27
TechBillI was only testing it for you to see if the Snapstream was config correctly by control centre08:27
superm1ah okay08:27
superm1thanks :)08:27
superm1so the snapstream stuff worked for you right?08:27
TechBillhaven't tried it yet08:27
TechBillchecking to see which lircrc was install and updated in control centre to copy over the other08:28
TechBillstrange08:30
TechBillboth lircrc are my custom one08:30
TechBillit never replaced it08:30
superm1yeah because of this hardlink thing08:30
TechBillshall I delete both and see if it create a new one then?08:30
superm1i'm assuming08:30
superm1yeah08:30
superm1it should08:30
frink_Hey superm108:31
superm1hey frink_08:31
TechBillyeah that was the reason08:31
TechBillit worked fine08:32
TechBillmy custom was preventing it to create a new one over it08:32
frink_superm1: WHats your email addy for the hosting stuff?08:32
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superm1frink_, send me a mail to superm1@ubuntu.com08:32
superm1or we can just discuss details in the channel too08:32
superm1since i'm here now08:32
frink_OK, I gotta go out soon but  got a few mons.08:33
TechBillnope didn't work .. checking the confs to see what missing08:33
TechBilldoes it restart lircd?08:34
superm1No it doesn't08:34
TechBilloh ok going to restart it then08:34
superm1lircd is restarted when you chagne remotes only08:34
TechBillI did change remote from no remote to snapstream hrmm08:34
superm1frink_, okay so what have you got wrg to hosting and such then?08:34
superm1and where is the physical location etc08:35
frink_So we have a UK datacenter and bandwidth to use. I can do you pretty much as much disk as you need and upto about 700Mb/s to our LINX peers (most of europe/uk/some US) and about 100Mb/s to the rest of the world. No volume transfer limit. All for the grand price of $008:35
superm1wow that's awesome08:36
frink_We have a load of Duel cpu quad core boxes al running vmware ESX. We then operate a usage based scaling system.08:36
frink_So I'll setup one VM to start and then if you need more server capacity then one core will supply, I'll just add cores/vmware instances to it and we have a load balancing system to share load between servers.08:36
superm1great :).  For the moment, i don't anticipate needing more capacity than 6 GB or so including OS08:37
TechBillsuperm1 : ok it using the ATIUSB_5000015900A lircd.conf which won't work for SnapStream Firefly Remote08:37
superm1TechBill, which lircd.conf is needed for the firefly?08:37
TechBillI submitted it on that bug report08:38
TechBillall 3 files08:38
frink_The FTP/WWW side is not usually firewalled for download access but SSH access and anything that lets you write can be protected by a firewall that requires you to login to the firewall before you access the server08:38
TechBillhardware.conf and lircd.conf and lircrc08:38
TechBilllet me find that bug report for you sec08:38
frink_I gotta fly now, but email leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com08:38
superm1okay cool.  i'll fire you a mail in a bit08:39
frink_cool08:39
frink_ttyl08:39
superm1cya08:39
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TechBillit was at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/14006008:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140060 in lirc "SnapStream RF USB and Firefly Remote" [Undecided,Fix released] 08:40
TechBillbut it gone08:40
TechBillor moved08:40
superm1well i added in your lircd.conf into the patch for that.08:41
superm1hm08:41
TechBillhad 3 files attached to that report08:41
TechBillit used the atbui one08:41
TechBilllet me try one more time and check08:41
TechBillhrmmm you seem to combine the choice to with atiusb08:42
foxxbuntusuperm1, actually you can go ahead and add me into the rotation becuase even if my ip changes thats just a quick dns update08:42
superm1foxxbuntu, when will you know if the ip is changing?08:43
TechBillatiusb/nvidia/snapstream/x10 all using the same lird.conf it seem08:43
foxxbuntuidk...waiting for tech support to email me back08:43
foxxbuntuthe host name wont though08:43
foxxbuntuwe will still be using us-il.08:43
superm1TechBill, oh you know what?  Perhaps its because i only patched the  lircd.conf.atilibusb but not lircd.conf.atiusb08:43
superm1are you using the kernelspace driver?08:43
superm1or the userspace08:43
TechBillkernelspace08:44
TechBilluserspace should allow me to choose a different conf?08:44
TechBillall the bottom is greyed out and won't let me choose a different conf it seem08:44
superm1well it loads a different conf08:44
superm1when you choose userspace08:44
TechBillhrmm08:45
TechBillI choose the ati/nvidia/snapstream but how do I tell it to use the snapstream lircd.conf?08:45
TechBillthe selection below is greyed out and won't let me change08:46
superm1when you choose the other ati/nvidia/snapstream option08:47
superm1it chooses the other config08:47
TechBillthe userspace?08:47
superm1yeah08:47
TechBillok trying it08:48
superm1no wait a minute, it looks like they are applied to both08:48
TechBillno it still using the same atiusb08:48
TechBillyes08:48
superm1there are lots of remotes in the lircd.conf08:48
TechBilland greyed out that I can't select a different one08:48
TechBilllet me look again closer hehe08:48
TechBillyeah it changed the lircd.conf on userspace .. I see firefly in it now08:49
TechBillno go08:50
TechBillchecking lircd.conf then lircrc08:50
superm1the lircrc needs to be the one generated from mythbuntu-lirc-generator possibly08:51
superm1but i'm not positive08:51
TechBillonly different I see in lirc that was generated is that in mine delay=3  and in generated one delay=008:55
TechBillsome have repeat too but not generated08:56
superm1well the other noticable difference is the name of the remote used possibly?08:57
superm1because the lircrc made from the lirc-generator likely reflects all the remotes in the lircd.conf08:57
TechBillremote = Snapstream08:58
TechBillwonder if it should been Firefly08:58
TechBilldoesnt seem to generate all the number buttons in lircrc either08:59
TechBillnm I found the rest09:00
TechBillok maybe found the bug09:02
foxxbuntusuperm1, I will let you know when my site is Prod ready and I will look at the alignment on the USplash sometime tomorrow too09:03
foxxbuntu...on that note09:03
foxxbuntunight09:03
TechBillok superm1 I think I narrowed it down09:05
TechBillchecking some more09:05
superm1okay09:07
TechBillis the name in lircd.conf suppose to match the name in lircrc for remote?09:09
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superm1yes09:09
TechBillok that might be one reason .. correcting the names to see if it fixes it09:10
superm1which names were wrong?09:10
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TechBillwell lircd.conf had name SnapStream Firefly and the lircrc had name Snapstream09:11
TechBillbut it didnt work when I corrected it09:11
TechBillhrmmp09:11
TechBillhow does mythtv know which remote is working? there a long list of remotes in lircrc thou09:13
superm1well it can use any of them09:14
superm1that are listed in the lircd.conf09:14
TechBillok so name in lircd.conf is suppose to match remote= in lircrc then?09:14
superm1right09:16
superm1well at least one instance of irt09:16
TechBillthe name are different one is missing "Firefly" but I correct it and it still did not work09:17
TechBillso checking the rest of settings09:17
superm1hm okay09:19
TechBillgot it working09:24
TechBillbut seem to be backward09:24
TechBillhehe09:24
TechBillup arrow is going downward09:24
superm1haha09:25
superm1interesting...09:25
TechBillyeah it using some other remote conf09:25
TechBillnot it own09:25
TechBillwell choosing (userspace) does load the conf files with snapstram but wrong hardware.conf09:27
TechBilland choosing (keneral) load the correct hardware.conf but missing conf for the remote09:27
TechBillright now I am trying to figure out how control centre write the conf and see if I can get it working correctly then Ill submit it09:28
superm1well the userspace option is basically a kernel free option09:28
superm1you dont need that kernel module at all09:28
superm1so the hardware.conf will be different09:28
TechBilluserspace load some driver which snapstream failed to work09:29
superm1i see09:29
TechBilland put "none" in the module statement which lirc complained about09:29
superm1so maybe snapstream only works in kernel mode09:29
TechBillright09:29
superm1but it loads the wrong lircd.conf?09:29
superm1when its in kernel mode?09:29
TechBillmissing the conf09:29
TechBillyeah09:30
TechBillhere what it look like when it running userspace09:30
TechBillhttp://pastebin.com/m71632be909:30
superm1what does the MODULES= look like09:30
superm1for that run?09:30
TechBillthat becasue in hardware.conf it had MODULES="none"09:30
superm1rather than ""09:31
TechBillshould be MODULES=""09:31
TechBillyes09:31
TechBillIll submit a bug for this one09:31
TechBillif you want09:31
superm1well just add more notes to your old bug09:31
superm1because its the same problem09:31
superm1just not fixed right still09:31
TechBillok09:31
TechBillwill do09:31
TechBillbut should keneral and userspace be using the same lircd.conf and lircrc?09:32
TechBilljust different hardware.conf09:32
TechBillcorrect?09:32
superm1well the lircd.conf that gets loaded is actually a little different too09:32
superm1i think09:32
superm1i'm not sure why though09:33
superm1probably historically the way it was done09:33
TechBillmaybe be better to take it out of ATI/Nivida and have it own selection09:36
TechBillbut use the same hardware.conf and module as the ATI/Nidia09:36
superm1yeah that's doable09:36
superm1well its time for bed for me09:37
superm1nn09:37
TechBillnn09:37
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lagare11:12
lagagreat. FTBS in linux-ubuntu-modules11:16
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lagai don't even like its name.11:19
lagaoh, it comes with a lot of segfaults11:20
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DavieyIs "Leigh" about?11:54
laga /whois ?11:57
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superm1Daviey, frink04:17
tgm4883yay for launchpad04:19
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Davieysuperm1: pong04:30
Davieyfrink_: Ah are you Leigh?04:31
superm1_yeah04:31
chukare we close to a new release?  I'm getting ready to re-build a backend04:37
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Davieychuk: Maybe.. need to sort out distrubition mirros first04:37
superm1well need to let that kernel populate so we can build with it04:38
chukah04:38
superm1and then we'll really know of sure04:38
superm1and DaveMorris you here?04:38
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lagare04:41
superm1hey laga04:41
lagahey04:42
lagajust build a iso, gotta check if the new kernel is there04:42
superm12.6.22-1204:42
lagait was FTBS ealrier this morning but they fixed it04:42
superm1is the kernel that is needed04:42
superm1and 2.6.22-12.29 is the linux-ubuntu-modules version04:42
lagastill 2.6.22-11 here.04:42
superm1well it looks like 2.6.22-12 kernel is available04:43
superm1but the linux-image-generic package isn't depending on it04:43
superm1(yet)04:43
DavieyAvaliable here..04:43
lagathis parcel service takes ages.looks like i wont get my radeon till tomorrow04:43
Davieyeeek linux-image-2.6.22-12-ume - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on Ubuntu Moblie and Embedded04:44
DavieyThat's new!04:44
lagaindeed, -12 is available here too04:44
superm1i think i just got my VFD yesterday. i got some registered mail from italy, but need to run to the post office to pick it up :)04:44
lagafrom italy? wow04:44
DavieyItaly heh?04:44
superm1spoky99 was going to send me one04:45
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lagai'll be glad to add support for 500GB hard disks, btw.04:45
Davieylaga: ^ whats the issue?04:45
superm1so with any luck having one of these to play with should get me to add lcdproc stuff04:45
Daviey\o/04:46
lagaDaviey: they need to be donated to me. various makes. so i can verify they're working04:46
tgm4883how many mirrors do we have?04:46
Davieymine doesn't working with a SATA pci card :(04:47
Davieytgm4883: 3 atm04:47
superm1oh i was going to say, have we looked at ibilio.org?04:47
Davieyor is it now 404:47
tgm4883didn't we have more?04:47
Davieytgm4883: yeah.. i had to drop the uk mirror04:47
tgm4883ah ok04:47
bendaileyDaviey: I have another 100GB on us-mi04:47
lagasuperm1: looks like l-r-m is still missing for 2.6.22-12. can i build a live cd without that or will it break?04:48
Davieybendailey: shall i re-add it?04:48
superm1laga, well you can build one without it as long as you don't need it04:48
lagagood04:48
superm1but has l-u-m shown up on your mirror yet?04:48
bendaileywell do you want to setup weighting for all the mirrors based on bandwidth available per month?04:48
lagasuperm1: yes04:48
lagawhy cant we put more emphasis on bittorrent?04:49
superm1bendailey, that sounds like an ideal way to do things04:49
Davieybendailey: yeah.. will do... I'll have to redo it better soon anyway - if canonical give us a mirror04:49
bendaileyDaviey: foxxbuntu had me add dns for us-il last night he bought a 2.5TB/month package04:49
lagai wonder if he'll get kicked off for using 2.5TB ;)04:49
DavieyI'm thinking of a mysql database that lists the allowed bandwidth, and ticks down as each person clicks04:49
bendaileyDaviey: do you want any help with php script/mysql structure?04:50
Davieybendailey: If your a php whizzkid, sure04:50
lagais it normal for XFS to take ages when deleting directories with lots of files?04:50
Davieysuperm1: do we have mysql access on mythbuntu.org?04:50
superm1Daviey, well not for making databases04:50
bendaileyI wrote a content management system for day job in php/mysql and it turned out ok :)04:51
bendaileyI can host some mysql databases on my accounts with remote access04:51
Davieysuperm1 & bendailey, we could migrate the redirect script to the uk mirror - where i can create mysql databases04:51
superm1well or just ask jumpkick04:51
superm1to make a DB :)04:51
Davieythat would be better04:51
superm1or re-use the existing DB04:51
superm1that is there for drupal04:52
DavieyI'd rather keep the whole site on one server04:52
superm1can always add another table04:52
bendaileyaggreed one server is best04:52
Davieycould do, but scared that my php hacking will bork drupal04:52
bendaileyI don't mind using the exsiting db with a couple additional tables but I would be worried about drupal changes/upgrades killing the table.04:53
Davieygood point!04:54
DaveMorrishere now04:54
DavieyDaveMorris: better late than never s'pose04:54
superm1DaveMorris, i was looking over your opensg again.  i think you mentioned the debian/control still needs to be fixed04:55
superm1i saw 3 things wrg to that04:55
superm1 - is still > 80 characters04:55
superm1 - Maintainer should be listed as Ubuntu MOTU <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>04:55
superm1 - David Morris should be listed as the original maintainer04:55
superm1i'm doing a gutsy test build right now04:55
bendaileyDaviey: do you want to to get me your existing php script and I will see if I can actually make a small contribution to the project :)04:56
DaveMorrisok, I've also changed the included dir to be opensg instead of OpenSG04:56
DaveMorrisI fixed the debain control file, but I forgot to upload it :)04:56
Davieybendailey: no worries, can i email it04:57
superm1also everything is in the .orig.tar.gz04:57
superm1the debian/ directory should *always* be in the .diff.tar.gz04:57
lagaunless it's a native debian package04:57
laga</smartass>04:57
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lagai want two raptor hard disks in raid0. and a pony04:58
DaveMorrishow do you get it to do that automatically04:59
superm1on a show i was watching last night they were talking about how you can take two very masculine things and make a feminine one out of them.  take for example a horse and a horn.  both two very manly things.  but put them together, and what do you have?  That's right a unicorn.04:59
superm1DaveMorris, don't make any changes in the .orig.tar.gz ever05:00
superm1just make your changes in the working directory05:00
Davieylaga: what is the point of a RAID0?!05:00
superm1when you do debuild -S -sa, it will extract the .orig.tar.gz and compare the two05:00
superm1and that's how you get a .diff.tar.gz05:00
DaveMorrisoh, I need to have the rest of the source compressed rather than as a flat file system05:01
superm1yes05:01
lagaDaviey: speed.05:01
Davieybendailey: ygm05:02
lagasuperm1: horses? manly? have you seen the "horse whisperer"05:03
superm1laga, well 'generally' horses are pretty manly05:03
lagaunless they are castrated05:03
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bendaileyDaviey: ygm?? You get my mail???05:04
Davieyyup05:04
Daviey"you got mail"05:04
bendaileyno my isp uses [grey listing|relay delay] 05:04
superm1DaveMorris, yeah this linda/lintian run is taking ages because the .orig.tar.gz contains all files.  it normally runs in < min05:04
DavieyAnybody watching Hero's?05:05
superm1and this looks like quite the lengthy build too05:05
superm1Daviey, watched it earlier this year05:05
Davieysuperm1: better than Lost?05:05
superm1also DaveMorris W: opensg source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log05:05
superm1Daviey, two very different shows, but that hook you in the same way05:06
superm1i like both a lot05:06
superm1its definitely worth a run through S105:06
DaveMorrissuperm1: what about those?05:06
superm1S2 starts up very soon05:06
Davieysuperm1: I watched S1 in a few days :O05:07
superm1DaveMorris, you need to take out that config.log in your .orig.tar.gz and .diff.tar.gz05:07
superm1Daviey, yeah, its one of those shows that its really easy to do that with :)05:07
superm1DaveMorris, okay now about mythbuntu-default-settings?05:07
superm1DaveMorris, is that ready to push up to the archive now?05:08
bendaileyDaviey: ygm05:09
DaveMorrisno, I can't get the settings to work in mythbuntu, but if I copy them over the settings of my xfce they seems to be fine, is that isofs bug thing fixed yet05:09
superm1DaveMorris, the change was uploaded yesterday, so it should be reflected later today hopefully05:09
superm1for the unionfs issue05:09
DaveMorriscool05:10
lagaif you need a test build ASAP, i can make a build with the new kernel for -fixes packages05:10
DaveMorrisif it got uploaded the build script should pull it down for me05:11
laganot yet05:11
lagathe kernels are there, but the meta package does not depend on them yet05:11
superm1well once those settings are in place, the script that calls the session needs to call upon xfce too05:12
superm1so how is it started?05:12
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lagagod, this -generic kernel is unbearable after having used -rt :/05:15
lagadisk access slows down the whole box although it's just apt-get install05:15
superm1rt is that much faster eh?05:17
Davieyyeah, it's like things happen in real time ;)05:18
superm1haha05:19
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superm1DaveMorris, well perhaps so at least those config files are available in the builds we all do, can you push your changes to the bzr branch and to the mythbuntu ppa?05:20
superm1i'll push them to the archive after we're all happy with them off the PPA builds05:20
lagasuperm1: feels faster. i should try to build the livedisk using the -rt kernel. would make a good test05:20
ubotuNew bug: #141528 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythweb Fatal Error memory size exhausted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14152805:20
DaveMorristhey are currently in my ppa05:20
DaveMorrisbut sure05:20
superm1well that way we dont need to build with 2 ppas and such05:21
lagahave i understood correctly - the xfce stuff is ready now?05:21
superm1DaveMorris, how is it called in the session?05:22
superm1did you sort that out?05:22
superm1is it just stuff like xfdesktop&05:22
superm1in the session script05:22
DaveMorrisoff the top of my head it's startxfce05:23
superm1okay and did you add that startxfce to the session script then?05:23
superm1like an 'exec startxfce'05:24
DaveMorrisI did but it was still launching without it there05:24
superm1okay that's funky...05:24
DaveMorrisand I was unable to make sure idesktop etc was running because of that bug05:24
ubotuNew bug: #141529 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythweb Mythweather" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14152905:25
superm1hm um: $ apt-file search startxfce05:28
superm1xfce4-utils: usr/bin/startxfce405:28
superm1we dont install that by default05:28
superm1oh wait, yea we do05:28
superm1its startxfce405:28
superm1not startxfce05:28
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superm1DaveMorris, have you actually looked at /usr/bin/startxfce405:29
superm1i see exactly why your changes aren't working05:30
superm1in the first 10 lines of it05:30
superm1need to set the XDG_CONFIG_HOME05:31
superm1and XDG_DATA_DIRS05:31
superm1before its called05:31
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lagathe iso have just build gives me a shell in the initramfs05:37
DaveMorrisok, I'll look at that tonight/tomorrow05:39
DaveMorrisyou now how in IT some pople are like 20x more productive than others, which dosen't match the real world05:39
DaveMorriswell superm1 is 20 times as productive as me!05:40
lagayeah...05:40
lagaheh, if eel that as well :)05:40
DaveMorrisbtw superm1 how did your interviews go?05:40
superm1DaveMorris, the ones yesterday not so hot.05:41
superm1the one today we'll see05:41
Davieyinterviews?05:41
Davieyjob?05:41
tgm4883superm1 has a job.05:42
tgm4883Superm1 - Mythbuntu developer05:42
lagasomeone pay him for that05:42
lagaso i can watch more tv05:42
laga;)05:42
tgm4883^^Full time, no time for other jobs or for life :)05:42
lagareal life is overrated anyways05:42
tgm4883yea it is05:42
tgm4883secondlife.com05:42
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tgm4883my real life is buggy05:43
superm1haha05:43
lagagreat. the disk i've built drops back to a shell after "mounting root file system"05:43
laga:/05:43
Davieytgm4883: catch it on the rerun05:43
tgm4883good call Daviey, but i'll have to get my tuners worked out first :)05:43
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Davieysuperm1: If you don't get it - let us know and we'll have a word05:44
DavieyDaveMorris: ah, you did go through with the ORG thing then05:44
tgm4883DaveMorris, there's a strange symbol in front of your 5 ;)05:44
superm1oooh.  i can probably get two beers with that.... :)05:44
lagayay, booze05:44
superm1*405:44
DaveMorrisof course05:44
tgm4883heh, i didn't know superm1 wanted to be paid in booze05:44
DavieyDaveMorris: Her flirtatious sales method worked then :)05:45
DaveMorriskinda, also a good cause05:45
DaveMorrisI bet Jono ain't coughed up yet05:45
lagawhat's ORG?05:45
DaveMorrisopen rights group05:45
DaveMorrishttp://www.openrightsgroup.org/05:45
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laga"rights"?05:46
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DavieyDaveMorris: I haven't signed up yet - but if i see Becky again, she sure can try her sales patter again :)05:46
superm1okay time for me to run to class and then try to prepare for next interview.  later folks05:47
Davieyfoxbuntu_: woo, i hear you have another mirror?  Got the url?05:47
Davieysuperm1: good luck05:47
foxbuntu_i need to have the DNS updated but yes05:47
lagagood luck05:47
Davieybendailey: ^05:47
bendaileyfoxxbuntu_: what needs changed with dns?05:52
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bendaileyfoxbuntu_: ping05:54
foxbuntu_hey05:54
foxbuntu_I bought a new IP (static) so it needs upated05:54
bendaileyhey, you have dns changes?05:54
foxbuntu_updated*05:54
bendaileyok hit me with it05:54
foxbuntu_k05:55
foxbuntu_216.104.37.5805:55
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bendaileyrecorded updated should be propagating now05:58
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foxbuntu_bendailey, awesome05:59
foxbuntu_I am working on getting the site setup, however the mirror is ready to go05:59
bendaileygreat06:00
foxbuntu_superm1, Daviey : us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is ready to go into the rotation06:00
Davieyfoxbuntu_: Why did you need a static IP?06:00
Davieyfoxbuntu_: cool06:00
foxbuntu_they wouldn't let me use SSL without buying one06:01
foxbuntu_stupid...but oh well..still cheap06:01
Davieybah06:01
Davieyfoxbuntu_: drupal offline page atm06:01
foxbuntu_yea06:01
foxbuntu_but the files are behind it06:01
lagawell, AFAIK an ssl cert is bound to a IP, isn't it?06:01
foxbuntu_laga, no...actually its bound to a server06:02
foxbuntu_and bound to the external hostname06:02
lagaif you need your own cert, you still need your own ip, correct?06:02
foxbuntu_but they way they have their network setup is a little strange06:02
foxbuntu_yea06:02
foxbuntu_I just wish they would have posted that upfront is all06:03
foxbuntu_I mean that I wasn't getting one06:03
foxbuntu_I have no problem paying for it06:03
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Davieyfoxbuntu_: should start receiving traffic now06:04
foxbuntu_awesome06:04
foxbuntu_hopefully I don't blow through the traffic I own06:05
bendaileyDaviey: do you have or can we get a list of Bandwidth limits for the mirrors?06:05
foxbuntu_but 2.5TB /month is alot06:05
chukscrew 'em, just put up a torrent06:05
lagaright06:06
chukif they can't figure out a torrent, they can't figure out Myth06:06
bendaileyby the way the torrent for the i386 alpha4 iso was running like junk yesterday :(06:06
foxbuntu_I plan up putting up a torrent with my site once I get drupal all setup06:06
Mersaultlaga: Can I report a problem with the trunk packages?06:06
lagaMersault: yes06:06
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Davieybendailey: eek.. i upped ~20Gb from home to the torrents06:07
Davieyso i stopped, before i got a complaint from the ISP06:07
Mersaultlaga: So I upgraded from Feisty + the weekly -fixes builds to the trunk builds. The backend appears to be working just fine. The frontend (different box) can't connect to the backend though06:07
Mersaultand if I run 'apt-get ugprade', ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is always listed06:07
lagacan you elaborate on the frontend problem06:08
chukcan you run synaptic?06:08
chukI had problems upgrading with apt-get upgrade06:08
chukheld back packages06:08
chukbut synaptic allowed them in06:08
Davieychuk: apt-get dist-upgrade :)06:08
chukI'm sure some kind of user error, but I didn't know what to pass in to apt-get06:08
bendaileyMersault: did you post this to the MythTV-users list?06:09
Davieychuk: I reckon you've either got protocal mismatch - or wrong settings for IP06:09
MersaultI've tried removing all mythtv packages from the frontend and re-installing them (not just the plugins like you suggested, but everything), and then re-installing just the frontend (I was running a secondary backend on the box too), and event that didn't clear it up06:09
Mersaultbendailey: I mentioned it in a post where someone else was having problems, yes.06:09
bendaileyok about ports changing?06:09
MersaultThe frontend claims it can't reach the master backend, but the IP and port listed are the correct ones, and I can telnet to that port and something is listening06:10
Davieybendailey: ah yes, i saw that on the ML06:10
lagaMersault: when?06:10
MersaultI was playing with it last night06:10
lagaMersault: are you asked to enter a PIN or something?06:10
Mersaultnope06:10
lagathe new autodiscovery code might you trouble.06:10
laga+give06:11
bendaileyMersault: try mythfrontend -d06:11
Mersaultat first it was a port mismatch, but that's been corrected06:11
chuklaga - I have that problem, get asked to enter pin06:11
chukI just choose don't connect, and it starts up06:11
bendailey-d disables the new autodiscovery code06:11
chukwhat is it supposed to do?06:12
chuk(other than autodiscover)06:12
Mersaulthmm... where do I find the xsession file?06:12
Mersaultlaga: check this out: http://pastebin.ca/70604506:13
MersaultI just logged in remotely and ran an upgrade, then another one. See how the frontend is listed again?06:14
lagabendailey: not in the weekly builds right now06:14
lagaMersault: interesting. i had a similar problem with ubuntu-kernel-modules when i built it locally. i have no idea how to fix that, though06:15
bendaileylaga: sorry I compile svn myself06:15
lagamaybe it'll just vanish after the next weekly build :)06:15
Mersaultlets hope so.06:15
Mersaultalright, found the xsession file and added the -d switch06:16
laga18:01 < laga> bendailey: not in the weekly builds right now06:16
Mersaultoh, check out this when I try and install themes:06:17
MersaultThe following packages have unmet dependencies:06:17
Mersault  mythtv-themes: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.20.99+trunk14393-0.0ubuntu0~ppa1) but 0.20.99+trunk14495-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu2 is to be installed06:17
MersaultE: Broken packages06:17
lagahuh?06:17
chukI got that too06:17
lagai thought i had fixed that06:17
lagaalright, i'll upload a new weekly build right now.06:17
Mersaultwhoo!06:17
lagathe mythtv-themes problem is fixed, AFAIK, but it may not have been committed...06:18
lagabtw, you'll get some experimental logging stuff for mythfrontend in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend. please let me know how it works for you06:18
Mersaultoh excellent, I want some detailed logs from mythfrontend. I've had problems with scanning my music library in mythmusic and I want to know which file causes it to hang06:19
lagai'd have tested it myself, but i'm having problems with virtualbox06:20
Mersaultfor some reason, the audio from my frontend got all scratchy after the upgrade too06:22
Mersaultbut even from mocp...06:22
lagamoc?06:22
lagamocp*06:22
Mersaultcommand line music player06:22
lagaah06:22
Mersaultwhich shouldn't go through any myth stuff, and I don't recall seeing any kernel updates, so the sound driver hasn't changed....06:23
Mersaultit's all very weird06:23
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lagathat's always sad :(06:24
MersaultI gotta learn to stop while I'm still getting head06:24
Mersaulter, while I'm still ahead06:24
lagayeah, don't waste a head start06:25
lagain a relationship06:25
Mersaultanyway, gotta get back to work. can you msg me when the new build is up?06:28
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tgm4883hey if I wanted to swich 2 tuners between 2 backends would the correct method be...delete each tuner, then switch then readd?06:28
lagaMersault: will do06:29
Mersaultthanks.06:29
[_Trimble_] sigh... still working on ir blaster for my pvr150 :(06:29
chuktgm - I often have trouble if I just switch some of my tuners06:32
chukI do a "delete all"06:32
chukthen re-add them all06:32
tgm4883ok06:34
tgm4883i should have to only do this once06:34
tgm4883i'm getting smarter by the day06:34
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[_Trimble_] every time i try to put lirc_pvr150 into my modules line in etc/lirc/hardware.conf, it kills my machine :(  just wont start up.06:47
[_Trimble_] I'm wondering if I have to do something (compile?) to make lirc_pvr150 valid on my (gutsy) machine06:47
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deffconhe guys is the gnome-screensaver bug already been resolved06:58
tgm4883_laptopmaybe06:58
tgm4883_laptopwhy?06:58
deffconbecause when i'm watching tv or something else after a few minutes my screen turns black and my remote doesn't do anything with any buttons06:59
tgm4883_laptopheh, well you need to turn off gnome screensaver then.07:00
tgm4883_laptopbeing resolved would indicate that it's fixed in the next release07:00
tgm4883_laptopwhich we are waiting to see if it is fixed upstream07:00
tgm4883_laptopbefore we do something about it07:00
tgm4883_laptopI can tell you how to turn it off though07:00
deffconplease tgm488307:01
tgm4883_laptopok, you need to go into the control centre and open the terminal07:01
deffconok07:01
tgm4883_laptopsec while i look up the commands07:01
deffconok07:02
tgm4883_laptopok07:03
tgm4883_laptopin the terminal do07:03
tgm4883_laptopssh localhost -X -luser07:03
tgm4883_laptopwhere user is your main user07:03
deffcon-X -l07:03
deffcon?07:03
tgm4883_laptopthen do gnome-screensaver-preferences07:04
tgm4883_laptopyea07:04
deffconyep i hope this will do it07:05
tgm4883_laptopworked for me07:05
deffcontnx a lot tgm488307:05
laga"OK, we'll sleep for 2 hours now because the orig.tar.gz take some time to be published07:06
laga"07:06
tgm4883_laptopnp07:06
lagathere's something wrong if i have to put stuff loike this in a script07:06
deffconis there something gonna be published07:06
tgm4883_laptopabout this?07:06
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lagadeffcon: new trunk builds by tomorrow, hopefully07:07
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deffconlaga : cool07:08
[_Trimble_] this is driving me nuts07:22
[_Trimble_] freakin irblaster for pvr150... grrr07:23
lagany gamepad is no worky in ppracer and trigger. :/07:23
[_Trimble_] at least i'm not breaking it.. the remote keeps working when i back out changes07:23
lagaheh07:24
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[_Trimble_] maybe  i just need to totally remove lirc and start over.  how do i do that.. :/07:42
[_Trimble_] when i try to remove lirc, it says it also wants to remove mythbuntu-control-centre, mythbuntu-desktop and mythbuntu-lirc-generator ... something tells me i dont want to remove those07:46
hendrixski??? would those be listed as dependencies to lirc?07:48
[_Trimble_] apparently07:48
[_Trimble_] or are those dependant on lirc?07:49
hendrixskiah, right probably the latter07:49
hendrixskibut now, nothing in mythtv actually depends on those things running07:51
hendrixskiThey're just helpers from what I understand?07:51
hendrixski:-/ I really gotta install gutsy and check this stuff out for myself07:52
tgm4883well the control centre probably depends on lirc, and mythbuntu desktop probably depends on the control centre07:53
tgm4883theres a pretty easy way to find out07:53
hendrixskiapt-cache show mythbuntu-whatever07:53
[_Trimble_] so, i can't remove lirc without removing half the setup system?07:53
[_Trimble_] that makes me nervous07:54
tgm4883well not exactly07:54
tgm4883because the mythbuntu-desktop is just a metapackage07:54
hendrixskioh07:54
[_Trimble_] the big problem i'm having right now is that if I put lirc_pvr150 into my hardware.conf, the thing wont' reboot, period.07:55
[_Trimble_] it dies.07:55
[_Trimble_] so, i suspect either lirc_pvr150 is bad, missing, or incorrect07:55
[_Trimble_] but i dont know how to check if it's bad or missing07:55
[_Trimble_] :(07:55
tgm4883it would be like trying to remove sound juicer and it telling you it was going to remove ubuntu-desktop07:55
tgm4883sounds worse than it is07:55
hendrixskiI know I asked this yesterday, but is there documentation on all this structure? 'cause I downloaded the control-centre debs and the new mythtv debs just to look through their source and all.. but didn't know those other things were involved07:55
tgm4883well what are you looking for?07:56
hendrixskitechnical specs and stuff07:57
hendrixskiabout how things work :-)07:57
tgm4883ah07:57
[_Trimble_] so, tgm, are you saying it's ok to remove lirc and reinstall it?07:58
[_Trimble_] im not sure i understand what you're getting at07:58
tgm4883well, you should be able to remove and reinstall lirc, but keep in mind that it will remove both the control-centre and the mythbuntu-desktop (metapackage).  So if you want to continue having the control-centre you will have to reinstall it, and if you want to prevent future breakage you will have to reinstall the mythbuntu desktop08:00
tgm4883hendrixski, I would talk to each parts dev to find out how it works.  That or just tear it apart08:00
hendrixskiisn't it better for him to dpkg-reconfigure the lirc thing?08:00
tgm4883well he asked he if could safely remove and reinstall it08:01
tgm4883and as long as he stays with the package it's possible08:01
tgm4883but you are correct08:01
[_Trimble_] does the dpkg-reconfigure launch the thing wehre i select drivers?08:01
[_Trimble_] alraedy tried that.. doesn't seem to do anything08:01
hendrixskitgm4883, yeah... I just started a download on the ISO... I think I'll tear it apart and see for myselv08:01
tgm4883well thats one way to go I suppose08:01
tgm4883if your just looking for what depends on what you could check out ubuntu packages08:02
hendrixskitgm4883, I'm interested in that dpkg-diversion thing in the control centre's debian/preinst and how that works all aorund08:02
hendrixskiI've not seen that in action before08:02
tgm4883ok08:02
tgm4883[_Trimble_] , you may want to do a purge when you remove lirc08:06
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tgm4883Ubuntu Millenium Edition......08:07
tgm4883that has bad news all over it08:07
[_Trimble_] heh08:07
[_Trimble_] i'm going to keep poking at lirc before i remove it08:07
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[_Trimble_] here is what is really frustrating me:  in the Install Lirc Gutsy document, it walks the user through all the setup, which all worked.. then it shows "08:08
[_Trimble_] "The following drivers have support for IR transmission:"... including lirc_pvr150 .. but nowhere above does it explain how to put lirc_pvr150 into use08:09
bendaileyDaviey: ping08:09
[_Trimble_] i keep reading to put it into hardware.conf, but everytime i do, the thing dies08:09
Davieybendailey: bong08:09
Mersaultlaga: any news on the new weekly builds?08:10
hendrixskilol... not millenium edition08:10
hendrixskiwe were making a joke about jewbuntu vs. Muslim Edition in another channel... sorry that the name change showed up here as well08:11
bendaileyI am working on the redirect script mysql tables and was wondering if you wanted files auto added to a table or if you want to do it through an adminstrative script?08:12
Davieyadd files?08:17
Davieycurrently it just redirects to file that was embedded within the original url08:18
DavieyDo you think it would be better to have a static list?08:18
lagaMersault: mythtv for gutsy is built08:19
lagaMersault: mythplugins will take a while because mythtv needs to publish first :/08:19
bendaileyadd files to a table for tracking08:19
Mersaultlaga: what about the feisty builds? I'm not running mythbuntu (had problems with the install)08:19
bendaileywe can add them on demand the first time they are requested from a url or we can drop them into the table first08:20
lagaMersault: feisty builds will follow later, they'll be uploaded in one hour, 2 hours later they should be available. sorry for the delay, but PPas are a bit restricted08:20
Mersaultnot a problem.08:21
Mersaultso about 2 hours?08:21
MersaultI wont be home for about two and a half, so it's not a big deal08:21
lagaMersault: i guess it'll be done by then. mythplugins might take a bit longer.08:22
lagagod, i should resort to building them locally.08:22
chukdo they go to uk repos first?08:23
lagathey go to the ppa first. dunno about mirrors08:24
lagaDaviey knows about that08:24
Davieychuk: Currentlythey sync every Sunday08:26
DavieyIf you want it done before then, i can manually do it08:26
chuknah, I can wait08:27
lagaDaviey: can we have that every day?08:27
lagaor every few hours or so?08:27
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lagabecause i might have to upload builds in-between08:32
lagabecause of important fixes08:32
lagaor because i feel like doing it08:32
laga:)08:32
Davieylaga: You know it is called "weekly builds" right?08:34
DavieyI don't think it's a good idea for users to be prompted every few hours that there is an update08:34
DavieyIf there is an importiant update, i can manually invoke the update :)08:35
lagai wasn't talking about "every few hours". anyways, i'll bug you then08:36
lagait's good to know when the mirror script is run, though. thanks08:36
lagaffs.08:41
lagamy panel keeps disappearing to my TV. :/08:41
DavieyThe US repo, isn't cron'd - superm1 manually invokes it08:48
lagayes, i know that. the atrpms box does not support cron for his user08:49
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Davieystrange it's beeen disabled08:49
lagaEstimated archive size: 3.7 GiB08:49
laga^^ hehe, that's the trunk ppa :)08:49
Davieywtf!08:50
lagaDaviey: well, on a multiuser box like that it'd make sense08:50
lagatbh, i don't know enough to make a multiuser box in linux. i'd be way too scared and resort to a BSD :)08:50
Davieyheh08:51
Davieycurrently 593M here08:51
DavieyOne thing that a base install does, that really shouldn't - is default permissions of /home/*08:51
Davieyany user can access, but not modify other users files08:52
Daviey*bad*08:52
lagathat's changeable,. though. somewhere.08:53
Davieyyeah chmod 600 /home/*08:53
Daviey:)08:53
lagaheh08:54
lagai'm running an apache setup with syscp <www.syscp.org> using php-fcgi with suexec for php. stuff like that just feels messy08:55
lagatoo bad that mod_php doesn't provide any real security08:55
lagaThis will spawn several processes that are executed in the context of the jail and cannot interact with anything else than other processes of the same jail or access anything in the filesystem above the jail's root (i.e. /usr/jail).08:55
lagaoops, sorrxy08:55
lagalast paste wasn't meant for this channel08:55
foxbuntu_bad laga08:57
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foxbuntu_pasting info in the wrong window08:57
lagafreebsd info, too :/08:59
foxbuntu_ewww08:59
foxbuntu_why would you forsake lord buntu?!?09:00
foxbuntu_that is a great sin in buntology!!09:00
lagadon't ask09:00
=== foxbuntu_ hates the support staff of his hosting company
lagawhy?09:04
foxbuntu_they are slow as hell and they screwed up my host09:05
[_Trimble_] awe, christ.. now what09:06
[_Trimble_] now my remote sends two keypresses instead of one.  wtf09:06
lagaheh09:12
lagafoxbuntu_: is this where you bought the 2.5TB package?09:12
foxbuntu_yes09:12
foxbuntu_the data is fine09:12
foxbuntu_and the link you made earlier will work09:12
foxbuntu_they just hosed by drupal09:13
foxbuntu_well..more like the SSL and DNS record09:13
=== foxbuntu_ will put up with it for now but if it is not any better before the end of the first 30 days...then its gonna get dropped and my money is getting refunded
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lagait'd be so nice if code was working immediately09:28
lagawithout having to debug it09:28
[_Trimble_] ok, fixed my remote back to normal again.. still no blaster :(09:29
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tgm4883heh, who was asking us to fill in our pictures for the wiki?09:57
lagafor launchpad, AFAIK09:58
lagait was one of the daves09:58
tgm4883heh09:58
tgm4883I submit exibit one09:58
tgm4883http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews6/post/09:58
lagapoor kid :/09:59
foxbuntu_lol10:01
foxbuntu_thats good tgm4883 that you?10:02
tgm4883heh10:02
tgm4883nope10:02
tgm4883I thought it was you foxbuntu :)10:02
[_Trimble_] i got a question for y'all10:04
[_Trimble_] how do i handle files and folders with spaces in their names?10:05
tgm4883"put these around it"10:05
foxbuntu_naw...I was a skinny little kid...and became a pudgy old man :P10:05
foxbuntu_lol10:05
tgm4883theres another method too, but thats what I do10:05
[_Trimble_] so, "nefarian\file server\files"  or nefarian\"file server"\files ?10:05
tgm4883I think the other method is \ followed by space10:05
tgm4883the first one10:05
tgm4883"" around the whole ting10:06
tgm4883so "/home/user/My Documents/really top secret stuff/"10:06
foxbuntu_yeah you can do this : file\ name/with\ spaces/10:06
[_Trimble_] i want to perma-mount my window's video directory to myth, but i've been using names like "File Server" which i couldn't figure out how to mount10:06
foxbuntu_I think thats it anyhow10:06
tgm4883or "/home/user/pictures/Survalliance pictures of foxbuntu/"10:07
foxbuntu_[_Trimble_] , simple soulution make your windows server a ubuntu server :)10:07
[_Trimble_] my windows server is my xp desktop machine10:08
foxbuntu_or perhaps "usr/share/bad gay midget porno starring tgm4883"10:08
lagaguys. SRSLY.10:08
[_Trimble_] oh, where can I get that video?10:08
[_Trimble_] lawlz10:08
foxbuntu_sry laga10:08
=== foxbuntu_ it am so bored in my office today
tgm4883arg, amarok is freaking out10:09
tgm4883wow10:09
lagafoxbuntu_: ah . when you're bored, you think of "midget porno"? :)10:10
foxbuntu_lol...well funny thing is that was a topic at my quaterly team meet yesterday10:10
tgm4883_laptopheh, that was crazy10:11
lagawhere exactly o you work? :)10:11
foxbuntu_the entire team I work with is a walking HR Viloation10:11
foxbuntu_they keep us away from the normal office folk10:11
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[_Trimble_] ok, am I not allowed to use quotes in fstab ?10:15
tgm4883perhaps not, I would try the other method10:16
lagaIf the name of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as \040.10:17
lagahum10:17
[_Trimble_] that did it10:17
[_Trimble_] :D10:17
lagai rock when it comes to reading man pages to others :)10:18
[_Trimble_] I could kiss you... but that'd be gay10:18
[_Trimble_] (i assume)10:19
lagao_O10:21
Davieywooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo10:22
DavieyCanonical are gonna provide a mirror!10:23
Davieyjust had the ack10:23
lagayay.10:25
bendaileyfantastic10:25
foxbuntu_awesome10:25
foxbuntu_thats alot of free bw10:25
bendaileyDaviey: do you know of any restrictions?10:25
Davieynot yet10:26
DavieyWill know after the weekend10:26
[_Trimble_] ...so, i'm giving up on the irblaster for now.  i'm not going to have it done in time for this family reunion this weekend.  my incredible toy will be just a video player i guess, so i gotta link it to my video folders on all my machines.. heh10:26
foxbuntu_[_Trimble_] , what kind of TV singnal do you get?10:27
foxbuntu_signal*10:27
[_Trimble_] ?10:27
[_Trimble_] ntsc from dish network receiver?10:27
[_Trimble_] but i can't get the ir blaster to change the dish's channels10:28
[_Trimble_] so recording is dead10:28
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lagawhy is it that women can't STFU?10:30
lagayou would think it's not hard10:31
lagabut obviously, it is.10:31
foxbuntu_laga, what did you do to get in trouble now?10:33
lagaoh, nothing.10:34
lagajust the same old story.10:34
foxbuntu_lol10:36
foxbuntu_laga, are you married?10:36
lagano.10:36
foxbuntu_well...then stop complaining10:36
foxbuntu_I am...I tell you what..the nag'in gets 100% worse once you do10:37
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lagafoxbuntu_: i'd have murdered 100 people with a rusty fork then.10:38
foxbuntu_..and my wife will admit that she nags me to death...but when she does its explained in such a way that it would seem its my fault10:38
lagaheh.10:39
lagai've just deleted her from my contact list.10:39
Davieytgm4883: you revamped the mythbuntu icons?10:40
foxbuntu_lmao10:41
foxbuntu_good work laga10:41
tgm4883I did?10:42
Davieytgm4883: i guess not10:42
DavieyWho made the current mythbuntu logo?10:42
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DavieyI made the old one, then somebody updated them10:42
tgm4883rogue780?10:42
foxbuntu_Me10:43
Davieyfoxbuntu_: awesome... i might ask a favour soon :)10:43
foxbuntu_super...what is that?10:43
lagahopefully nothing involving midgets10:43
Davieymaybe..10:44
foxbuntu_:)10:44
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=== Daviey slaps foxbuntu_ for not being identified to freenode
foxbuntu_Daviey, sorry I am on the wrong account10:49
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=== superm1 sneaks in
superm1what'd i miss?10:54
foxbuntumidget porn10:55
foxbuntuoops10:56
superm1oh canonical mirror?10:56
superm1wonderful10:56
foxbuntuyes indeed10:56
foxbuntuand my mirror is live now too10:56
superm1great!10:57
superm1well lots of good news all around10:57
superm1no i just need to hear that the new linux-ubuntu-modules cleared10:57
superm1and that we can do builds again10:57
superm1and i'm set10:57
superm1woah!10:58
superm1apt-get update/apt-get upgrade shows them!10:58
superm1hell yea10:58
foxbuntusuperm1, I would just be happy with some non-retarded support staff at this hosting company10:59
superm1hey i dont want to hear anything negative the rest of the day.  since around midnight last night, nothing has gone wrong.10:59
superm1so if you start speaking negative i'm gonna kick you.11:00
superm1;)11:00
Davieysuperm1: looks like canonical will give us a full virtual machine11:00
foxbuntusuperm1, I broke USplash in a commit...and overwrote the previous revs...also its back to strange colors11:00
superm1Daviey, neat.  so should we move the whole site there then maybe?11:00
Davieyso...... As that woould give us root, would it be woth mmigrating mythbuntu.org to it11:01
=== Daviey can't type for toffee today
superm1well i think how about this11:01
Davieysounds good11:01
superm1lets plan for it to just be a mirror right now, but prepare it to host the site11:01
Daviey^11:01
superm1that way at the flip of a dns switch11:01
superm1we can just switch over to it if something happens to jumpkick's11:02
=== Daviey imagines what a "dns switch" looks like
Davieybet it's red11:02
foxbuntunope....DNS switches are Green11:02
superm1i pictured it being blue actually11:02
foxbuntuuh oh..they are RGB based11:02
lagai think of them as those huge, red emergency buttons you slam down with the palm of your hand11:03
lagaand sirens.11:03
lagayes, sirens.11:03
superm1well but that's not something you flip11:03
superm1a dns swtich is flipped11:04
superm1not pounded upon11:04
Davieydoes it have a cover you need to flick off, before pressing?11:04
lagaDaviey: no. it's only operated by highly trained people who need to switch DNS in an instant if needed.11:04
lagasuperm1: you could have lots of those switches to punch in combinations. eg 8 switches for 256 states11:05
DavieyI'm highly trained.. but i have fumbly fingers11:05
foxbuntulol11:06
foxbuntunerd humor11:06
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lagarotfl, did you just say lol?11:06
=== foxbuntu yes
[_Trimble_] superm1 - this irblaster thing is killing me... i have to give up on it for now11:07
superm1[_Trimble_] , still no luck huh?11:07
=== foxbuntu is now going to speak in 3rd person the rest of the day because of that comment from laga
superm1laga, have you built a disk with the new linux-ubuntu-modules in tact yet?11:08
[_Trimble_] no.  no luck.  i made it worse at one point - had the damned remote pretting buttons twice in myth for each remote press...11:08
superm1or am i doing the first one?11:08
[_Trimble_] you'llprobably want me to file that as a bug11:08
[_Trimble_] but no blaster :(11:08
lagasuperm1: i *should* have one, but it didn't really boot here. you should try to make your own build.11:08
superm1god i love this build process: 0 upgraded, 586 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.11:09
superm1Need to get 34.1MB/282MB of archives.11:09
superm1After unpacking 879MB of additional disk space will be used.11:09
[_Trimble_] nice11:10
[_Trimble_] lol11:10
=== laga revamps the weekly build script
laga(again)11:10
superm1what broke now?11:10
laganothing11:10
superm1oh btw do i need to pound the switch on atrpms?11:10
superm1any time soon?11:10
lagajust turning stuff into functions11:10
lagawhat switch?11:11
superm1the sync me from ppa.launchpad.net switch11:11
superm1well i guess its more of a button11:11
lagain a few hours maybe11:11
lagatrue11:11
lagawait. is canonical really giving out virtual machines with full root access?11:11
superm1sounds like the ideal way to go11:12
superm1i think we should do the builds on that box then11:12
superm1and have it push to all mirrors11:12
lagayup11:12
=== Daviey recommends "The IT Crowd" to geeks
DavieyS1 was better IMO11:13
lagawould be cool if buildd support in falcon was ready by then11:13
lagasuperm1: no more PPAs then?11:13
superm1laga, no i mean ISO builds11:13
lagasuperm1: ah, right11:13
superm1at least the i386 ones11:13
lagawhy not the amd64 ones?11:13
superm1well is this going to be an amd64 virtual machine?11:14
superm1you need to build the amd64 ones on amd6411:14
laga!11:14
lagaah, right.11:14
lagayou can deboostrap amd64 on i386, but you have to step configuration11:14
lagaerr, skip11:15
superm1well you can't chroot though11:15
superm1and that is how everything is done11:15
lagaright11:15
superm1now the other way around is doable11:15
superm1if we get an amd64 vm11:15
superm1you can chroot into both11:15
lagathat'd be cool11:15
superm1Daviey, can you see if they can make that happen?11:15
superm1i'm imagining they have vmware esx server setup11:15
Davieysounds like it11:16
Davieycanonical admin is gonna let me know info after the weekend11:16
lagaor xen11:16
Davieysuperm1: The new UK mirror has more bandwidth than you can shake a stick at eh?11:17
superm1Daviey, that's what i like to hear11:18
Daviey100Mb/s and if requird upto 6-700Mb/s!11:18
superm1well the new builds aren't signing cd repository properly still11:18
laganice11:18
superm1i'll have to massage that a bit more it looks like11:18
tgm4883oh I love automated answering machines11:18
lagahmm, massages11:19
lagasuperm1: shouldn't the Cd be trusted automatically? /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom11:19
lagathat's on my normal gutsy box, though11:19
superm1doesn't exist on my gutsy box11:19
superm1what's in it?11:19
lagaAPT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";11:20
superm1i like it.11:20
Davieyit's on my gutsy box11:20
lagai installed using tribe 511:20
superm1must have been introduced later11:20
superm1this is a dist-upgrade from feisty11:20
=== Daviey clean install
superm1its not on the mythbuntu builds though either11:20
superm1wonder where it came from then?11:21
lagamoment11:21
DavieyThere is a tool that can tell you which packages provides files, but i can't remember how11:21
superm1apt-file search11:21
superm1i tried it11:21
superm1didn't find that file11:21
Davieyhmm, must be dynamically created11:22
superm1by what though?11:22
lagaright11:22
laga:/11:22
lagaah ffs, let's just create it ourselves.11:23
tgm4883"let me give you our 1-800 number.....1-866....."11:24
superm1okay done11:24
superm1i'll push that back up11:24
tgm4883and then they insist on hanging up on me11:24
tgm48832nd time today11:24
tgm4883I think it's time to go home11:24
superm1okay thats in revno 18 of mythbuntu-livedisk.  i'll try to do one more build really quick, but i need to get ready for work tonight11:25
Davieywork eh?11:27
DavieyWhat job is this?11:27
lagasuperm1: did it actually boot?11:28
lagathe first one i mean11:28
tgm4883I'm a consultant for a few companies and i'm on the phone with our cell company11:29
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superm1laga, i canceled it after i saw the GPG stuff not working11:30
tgm4883OMG11:30
tgm4883trying...to....not....blow....vein.....in.....forward11:31
tgm4883forhead11:31
tgm4883i have a migrane11:32
superm1over me canceling a build?11:32
tgm4883no11:32
superm1phew11:32
tgm4883over this dumb lady on the phone11:33
lagai need to learn the difference between $0 and $1 in bash.11:33
lagaright now, we'd end up with lots of packages with "generate_source_packages.sh" in their name11:33
tgm4883WTF11:34
superm1$0 is the script name you call11:34
superm1$1 is the first argument11:34
tgm4883I am starting to see why some people go postal11:34
lagasuperm1: oh really. :)11:35
ubotuNew bug: #83884 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mythfrontend crashes after MythMusic completes a music database scan" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8388411:36
lagatgm4883: stop acting like you're on the phone with my GF.11:36
tgm4883lol11:36
tgm4883she doesn't work for sprint/nextel does she11:36
superm1i hate dealing with the nextel 611 number too.11:37
superm1it's always a pia11:37
tgm4883superm1, it's worse than that11:37
tgm4883I have sprint, so I have to call sprint first then get transfered to nextel11:37
tgm4883and now they transfered to boost mobile11:37
superm1man what a mess11:37
tgm4883all i want is a frickin repeater for our nextel service11:38
tgm4883I think i made the mistake of saying i want to boost my signal11:38
tgm4883so now im in boost mobile wait land11:38
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=== laga enjoys watching
ubotuNew bug: #119119 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crash (dup-of: 119055)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11911911:42
tgm4883hey, in the guide, I can just link them to http://mythbuntu.org/download/getmythbuntu.php and it will still count in google analytics right?  I dont have to send people to the existing-ubuntu page first?11:42
superm1right11:42
superm1just add that image in and tell them to click it11:42
tgm4883this lady makes me want to eat a bullet11:43
tgm4883are you planning on this being in the community documentation or on the mythbuntu website?11:44
superm1community documentation for now11:44
tgm4883ok11:44
lagasuperm1: i prolly asked before but i forgot your answer. should i add weekly builds for the themes for fixes as well. maybe monthly builds.11:44
superm1laga, only if there are themes grabbable11:45
superm1i thought those were trunk only11:45
superm1gotta run though11:45
superm1night all11:45
lagano, the regular themes are in svn, too.11:45
laganight11:45
tgm4883err, is the backend log still /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend.log?11:47
tgm4883mythbackend.log i mean11:47
lagayes11:48
lagasoon, there'll be a frontend log11:48
laga /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log11:49
lagaand /var/log/mythtv/mythwelcome.log if applicable11:49
tgm4883ok11:49
tgm4883is there a default log level?11:49
lagathat's only in the trunk builds right now11:49
tgm4883I've had my backend crash a couple times today11:49
tgm4883and the only thing in my log is11:49
lagaah11:49
lagai thought you were asking because of the docs11:50
tgm4883the priming of the firewire11:50
tgm4883heh11:50
tgm4883nope11:50
lagayou need to set the log level in the init script, prolly11:50
tgm4883ok11:50
tgm4883but thats seriously a low level of logging.  Is that default?11:50
lagaafaik yes11:50
lagasee /etc/default/mythtv-backend11:50
lagasigh, jconfig for the frontend is in /etc/mythtv/11:51
lagaand changing that properly is gonna take a bit of work.11:51
tgm4883eh11:52
tgm4883it's not that important11:52
lagawas just ranting11:52
tgm4883as im changing out my firewire tuner to the other comptuer11:52
Mersaultlaga: have the feisty packages hit the repo?12:02
lagaMersault: i think so12:05
lagaexcept for mythplugins12:05
Mersaultwhat's the version for the new packages?12:07
Mersault0.20.99+trunk14495-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu2 is what I have as of an apt-get update about 60 seconds ago12:08
lagait's 145 something12:08
lagahttps://edge.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu-trunk/+archive12:08
Mersaultpoop12:08
laga^^ bookmark this link :)12:08
mattbhmm, seems there is no plugin to watch you tube?12:10
Mersaultokay, it says three hours ago, but the packages I have are still out of date. so, how long does it take to go from the PPA to the repo?12:11
lagaare you using a mirror or the ppa directly?12:12
DavieyMersault: I'll resync them to the UK mirror now12:12
lagamattb: write one or wait for 0.21. there'll be limited youtube support - you'll have to use mythbrowser12:12
lagaDaviey: thanks12:12
MersaultI used the US mirror from the mythbuntu website. Found the info on what to put in my sources.list to get them dircetly12:12
mattblaga: ok, might be a nice weekend project...12:13
lagamattb: someone posted python bindings for mythtv on the mythtv-dev mailing list12:14
Mersaultdeb     http://ppa.launchpad.net/laga/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse12:14
Mersaultright?12:14
lagaMersault: no.12:14
mattblaga: just saw them, those + clive should make it fairly easy to actually play12:14
DavieyMersault laga: sycn'd12:14
mattbI guess the hard bit is coming up with a decent interface12:14
lagamattb: let me know how it the paython bindings work for you (or just post to the mailing list)12:15
lagaMersault: subsitite "laga" with "mythbuntu-trunk"12:15
lagasubstitute*12:15
Mersaultalright12:16
lagaoh well. if i write functions in a shell script and call them, do i need to have the funtions _before_ the calls?12:16
Davieylaga: I'm pretty sure you do12:18
Mersaulthow would I go about importing a new gpg key for you packages?12:18
DavieyMersault: listed on the mythbuntu page12:18
MersaultI grabbed that one already12:18
Mersaultapparently these ones are different?12:18
lagaMersault: the packages on the ppa cant be signed. we sign them on the mirrors.12:18
Mersaultah12:18
lagaDaviey: thanks12:19
Daviey    wget http://mythbuntu.org/files/EEED06D0.gpg && sudo apt-key add EEED06D0.gpg && rm EEED06D0.gpg12:19
Mersaultwell, let's see if this worked....12:20
Mersaultrebooting frontend now12:20
DavieyMersault: the UK mirror is as current as the PPA, but the packages are properly signed12:20
ubotuNew bug: #58155 in mythtv (multiverse) "errors loading packages (dup-of: 41339)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5815512:23
lagalaunchpad janitors are busy tonight.12:25
lagaLaunchpad will be going offline for maintenance in nine minutes.12:25
lagabah12:25
=== laga ponders creating drama in #launchpad
=== Daviey grabs the popcorn
Mersaultlaga: same problem, the frontend still wants to upgrade12:28
lagao_O12:29
laga:/12:29
lagacan you pastebin apt-cache show ubuntu-mythtv-frontend ?12:29
lagathat's the affected package, right?12:29
Mersaultheh, sorry to 'cause you to go grey so soon12:29
Mersaultyes12:29
lagaheh12:29
Mersaultman, pastebin.ca is slow...12:31
lagamattb: do you know python well?12:32
mattbyep12:32
lagamattb: you wouldn't want, by any chance, to help us port mythbuntu-control-centre over to the mythtv python bindings? :) just a question12:34
mattbI don't think i have the time to commit to anything like that atm sorry12:34
Mersaultlaga: http://pastebin.com/d527a198312:34
mattbbut I am going to have a play with the python plugin stuff tommorrow12:34
tgm4883sweet, im 122% done installing gutsy12:36
lagamattb: oh, well. we'll be doing it for next cycle, not now. guess we'll see you around if you have time12:37
mattb:)12:38
mattboff to bed now, no doubt I'll be back tommorrow, cheers.12:38
lagaoh how i love that12:40
lagaput my frontend back together, put it in the bed room12:40
laganow it won't boot12:40
lagaand there's no VGA without opening it first12:40
Mersaultso, any ideas why my frontend wont work?12:41
lagaMersault: do you have any idea why it's listed twice?12:41
lagaMersault: uh, is it completely broken?12:42
MersaultI can't make it work12:42
lagauh12:42
lagamore specific?12:42
lagait's 12:30 AM here :)12:42
lagatime for beer!12:43
lagayay.12:43
Mersaultalright, when I reboot and the xsession kicks it, it can't find the backend.12:43
lagagreat, launchpad janitors just closed lots of bugs which shouldn't have been closed. looks like that's the cause for maintenance downtime12:43
MersaultI've removed the local backend, so it's just the remote master12:43
lagaMersault: post error message?12:43
Mersaultjust the usual can't find a backend error in that search page12:44
lagaMersault: /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log most likely12:44
laga"search"?12:44
Mersaultnothing12:44
lagawhat search page?12:44
MersaultI put the -d switch in the startmythfrontend.sh script12:44
Mersaulter, search screen.12:45
lagafor the autodiscovery?12:45
Mersaultyes12:45
MersaultI'm unfamiliar with it, but it can't find my backend12:45
lagait uses multicast to find backends, afaik.12:45
lagalet's see.12:45
lagaflood:12:46
lagaOn Friday 14 September 2007 07:25:03 Nigel Pearson wrote:12:46
laga> > 5) One of my clients seemed to not AutoDiscover any backend,12:46
laga> > but I have no idea why. Maybe need -v upnp in new code?12:46
lagaThe autodiscovery uses multicast. I had a problem with a NIC driver where12:46
lagamulticast was disabled by default.12:46
lagaTry a multicast ping to see if it is a NIC driver issue.12:46
lagaping -c 2 224.0.0.112:46
frink_why do none of the OSX frontends work?12:47
Mersaulttwo sent, two received, and two duplicates12:47
Mersaulton both the backend and the frontend12:47
lagaduplicates?12:47
lagainterestingly enough, that ping command doesnt yield anything12:48
lagahere12:48
Mersault2 packets transmitted, 2 received, +2 duplicates, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms12:48
lagahum12:48
lagaMersault: is upnp enabled on your backend?12:48
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Mersaulthmm... I don't remember either enabling or disabling it12:49
Mersaultso, what's the default?12:49
lagadefault is enabled afaik12:50
lagayou better check there12:50
Mersaultbest way to verify?12:50
lagacheck the settings?12:50
MersaultI have phpmyadmin installed, so I can do direct db searches12:50
Mersaultassuming the setting is stored there12:50
lagabtw, you should be able to select "don't connect to the backend" in that search screen and hit "ok"12:50
lagayes, it's stored there12:51
Mersaultthen it just dumps me to the desktop12:51
lagao_O12:51
Mersaultthere's a mythfrontend.re process, but nothing on screen12:51
lagait used to start the frontend here.12:51
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Mersaultalright, so I just rebooted the machine, this time there wasn't even the autodiscover screen12:53
Mersaultjust the desktop12:53
Mersaultthere's nothing in the log file12:53
Mersaultat all12:53
Mersaultit exists (and I'd removed it before I rebooted), but it's empty12:53
lagayou can start the frontend manually, in a terminal?12:54
Mersaultjust a minute12:54
lagai just almost uploaded my private trunk packages to the regular mythbuntu ppa :/12:55
Mersaultalright, so it works from my regular (non-mythtv) user account01:00
lagawhat exactly works? auto discovery?01:00
Mersaultis it the -d switch that turns off auto-discover?01:00
MersaultI launched it with auto-discover01:01
Mersaultand after clicking okay it loaded up01:01
Mersaultif I add -d, it hangs01:01
laga-p or --prompt                 Always prompt for Mythbackend selection.01:01
laga-d or --disable-autodiscovery  Never prompt for Mythbackend selection.01:01
lagaodd.01:01
Mersaulthttp://pastebin.com/d5794d08c01:03
laga"2007-09-21 19:01:56.723 Cannot connect to port 6543 on database host mythbackend"01:04
lagais "mythacbekdn" a valid host name on your network?01:04
Mersaultyes01:04
lagaerr, mythbackend.01:04
laga:)01:04
MersaultPING mythbackend.musicalmachine.net (192.168.1.40) 56(84) bytes of data.01:05
lagadoes it work with -d on your regular session?01:05
Mersaultthat is the output from my regular user01:05
laga!01:05
lagadid you run startmythtv.sh?01:05
lagait shouldn't log to mythbackend.log otherwise01:06
MersaultI redirected the output01:06
lagaah01:06
lagagood. :)01:06
Mersaultmythfrontend > /var/log/mythtv/ etc01:06
Mersault2>&101:06
lagaso it's broken with -d everywehere, it works without -d in your normal session and it breaks without -d in your mythtv session, too. correct?01:07
Mersaultroot@sixball:~# telnet mythbackend 654301:07
MersaultTrying 192.168.1.40...01:07
MersaultConnected to mythbackend.musicalmachine.net.01:07
MersaultEscape character is '^] '.01:07
lagaMersault: btw, you can use mythfrontend -l logfile.log01:07
Mersaultmeh, I'm familiar with redirecting output01:07
Mersaultbut by the telnet there's clearly something listening on port 6543 at mythbackend from sixball (the frontend)01:08
lagayup01:08
Mersaultso, I removed the -d from the startmythfrontend.sh01:09
Mersaultor whatever that file is01:09
Mersaultand logged in as the mythtv user01:09
Mersaultafter the auto-discovery screen, I click okay because it can'01:09
Mersaultt find the backend, and it dumps me to the desktop01:10
Mersaultroot@sixball:~# ps -A | grep myth01:10
Mersault 5335 ?        00:00:10 mythfrontend.re01:10
lagacan you bring it to foreground, using alt+tab maybe01:11
Mersaultnope01:11
lagathis sucks.01:11
lagacan you bring up a terminal in a mythtv session?01:12
lagaand start the frontend from there?01:12
MersaultI think I'd have to kill this mythfrontend.real app, wouldn't I?01:12
Mersaultand since that is part of the xsession, doing so logs me out01:13
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lagayou can have two frontends01:14
lagalet's see what i did to startmythtv.sh01:18
Mersaultalright, so this is strange01:20
Mersaultfrom the mythtv user it will do the auto-discover thing, and then dump me back to the desktop01:20
lagadid you start it from a terminal?01:20
Mersaultnow, I'd manually set the port before, so I deleted the .mythtv directory, and re-ran it hoping to recreate the files01:21
MersaultI'm going to deal with this tomorrow01:22
MersaultI have friends over now01:22
lagaalright.01:22
lagaping me if you want to work on this01:23
lagai'll be back here in 11 hours01:23
Mersaultwill you be around tomorrow?01:23
Mersault11 hours? perfect.01:23
MersaultI'll be 14 most likely01:23
lagamore or less.01:23
Mersaultthanks!01:23
lagagotta sleep and maybe run some errands01:23
Mersaultcheers folks!01:24

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