[01:19] <[_Trimble_] > shit, something is broken - my box wont' finish booting
[01:19] <[_Trimble_] > how do i bring down the mythbuntu curtain to see the boot screen?
[01:20] <laga> you select "failsafe mode" in grub.
[01:20] <[_Trimble_] > kk thx
[01:20] <laga> hit ESC to get to the grub menu on boot
[01:21] <[_Trimble_] > (recovery mode) ?
[01:21] <[_Trimble_] > yeah
[01:21] <superm1> well wait?
[01:21] <superm1> recovery mode puts you isingle user mode
[01:21] <superm1> that might not be what you want
[01:22] <[_Trimble_] > lol that brings me to a terminal screen and it stops booting
[01:22] <laga> oh :/
[01:22] <laga> ok
[01:23] <[_Trimble_] > yeah, i dont think that's what i want
[01:23] <superm1> well type exit
[01:23] <laga> then you go to grub, select the normal kernel entry, hit "e", go to the kernel line, hit "e" and remove "quiet splash" from that line
[01:23] <superm1> at that prompt
[01:23] <laga> hit enter to save, "b" to boot
[01:25] <[_Trimble_] > thanks laga
[01:26] <[_Trimble_] > oh great.  screen went blank and it appears to have stopped
[01:32] <[_Trimble_] > ok, i cant figure out what i broke :(
[01:33] <[_Trimble_] > i reboot it, and watched.. just before the screen goes blank, i see something about loading samba, then something about loading gnome manager, then about 4 more lines, then the screen goes blank and it stops HD activity.
[01:33] <[_Trimble_] > i hope someone can help :(
[01:34] <laga> [_Trimble_] : can you use CTRL+ALT+F1 to get a terminal?
[01:34] <laga> maybe you have to hit return a few times
[01:34] <[_Trimble_] > no dice
[01:34] <[_Trimble_] > ctrl+alt+f1 - f10 nothing
[01:35] <laga> :/#
[01:35] <laga> can you ssh in?
[01:35] <[_Trimble_] > no
[01:36] <laga> was ssh actually enabled?
[01:36] <laga> ;)
[01:36] <[_Trimble_] > yes
[01:37] <laga> :/
[01:37] <[_Trimble_] > i dont want to start over /again/
[01:37] <laga> can you go to single user mode again and look in /var/log/messages for clues?
[01:38] <[_Trimble_] > sure i can try that
[01:40] <[_Trimble_] > well, i logged in and nano'd messages,but the system seems to be dropping CIFS VFS: Error connecting to IPv4 socket. Aborting operation messages on top of it
[01:42] <[_Trimble_] > hell, i dont know what im looking for :(
[01:42] <[_Trimble_] > last few lines are related to lirc pvr150, and that's what I was working on, so....
[01:43] <[_Trimble_] > i edited hardware.conf backto lirc_i2c and rebooted.. let's see..
[01:45] <[_Trimble_] > yeah, that fixed it.
[01:45] <[_Trimble_] > it didn't like lirc_pvr150
[01:46] <morphinex> damn, I can't remember my database user/pass
[01:46] <morphinex> haha, I set this up a year ago and just let it work until now
[01:46] <[_Trimble_] > isn't it shown in the mythtv setup screen?
[01:47] <morphinex> oh, good call, now i remember
[01:50] <laga> [_Trimble_] : that's weird
[01:50] <[_Trimble_] > heh
[01:50] <laga> make superm1 berhappy and file a bug? :>
[01:51] <[_Trimble_] > perhaps
[01:57] <[_Trimble_] > well, times up.. survivor is starting :(
[01:58] <[_Trimble_] > ttyl
[02:07] <laga> yup
[02:07] <laga> g'night. bed time
[02:21] <morphinex> damn
[02:21] <morphinex> this LVM thing is going ot be a problem
[02:21] <morphinex> I have two drive, hda has two partitions on it, one is / and one is combined via LVM with the entirety of hdb
[02:55] <morphinex> So, my install locked up at the proprietary drivers screen
[03:02] <tgm4883_laptop> morphinex, yep
[03:02] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug 137167
[03:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[03:02] <tgm4883_laptop> dang im good
[03:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i didn't even have to look that up
[03:03] <tgm4883_laptop> we need to set that up so everytime someone says proprietary driver ubotu says that
[03:03] <tgm4883_laptop> !ubotu
[03:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:05] <morphinex> he
[03:05] <morphinex> so... can I install propriatary drivers at a later point?
[03:05] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> install it after install
[03:06] <chuk1> whats the best way to see what changes in each version of trunk?
[03:08] <morphinex> tgm4883 ok, thanks
[03:08] <morphinex> wish I had looked at the channel before it locked up a second time ;)
[03:08] <tgm4883_laptop> chuk1, changelog?
[03:10] <chuk1> ok, dumber question...  where do I find the changelog?
[03:42] <morphinex> So how do make it not automatically run mythfrontend?
[03:42] <morphinex> So i can mess with some settings, import my database, etc
[03:42] <chuk1> if you log out, it should bring you to log on screen
[03:42] <chuk1> where you can change session
[03:42] <tgm4883_laptop> or you can ssh in and update
[03:42] <chuk1> that too...
[03:43] <morphinex> Ah
[03:43] <morphinex> Isn't there a control center or something?
[03:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[03:43] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd update it first as the alpha 4 cd doesn't have the updated one
[03:43] <tgm4883_laptop> with terminal access
[03:44] <morphinex> just sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <tgm4883_laptop> well, sudo apt-get update
[03:45] <tgm4883_laptop> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:45] <morphinex> ok
[03:45] <morphinex> Is all this on a wiki somewhere?
[03:45] <tgm4883_laptop> usually you just need a sudo apt-get upgrade, but we need some extra packages i think
[03:45] <tgm4883_laptop> not yet, not that i know of
[03:45] <morphinex> If not, I might add it to mine
[03:46] <tgm4883_laptop> well, alot of this will be unnecessary
[03:46] <tgm4883_laptop> the next release should have many of these issues fixed
[03:47] <morphinex> will it be easty to get from this to the final 7.10?
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[03:48] <tgm4883_laptop> should be
[03:49] <morphinex> sweet
[04:29] <Mersault> laga: are you around?
[04:44] <superm1> laga, ah here is why it still hasn't appeared: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/2.6.22-12.29
[04:44] <superm1> we're waiting on a new kernel to build first.
[04:44] <superm1> ugh;
[05:07] <morphinex> So my TV out isn't quite working
[05:07] <morphinex> The TV looks kind of... fuzzy
[05:26] <bendailey> good evening?
[05:29] <bendailey> logs
[05:29] <bendailey> irc log
[05:29] <bendailey> ubotu: log
[05:29] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:30] <foxxbuntu> bendailey, I have another DNS record for you to create
[05:30] <morphinex> howdy
[05:30] <bendailey> foxxbuntu: greay
[05:31] <bendailey> morphinex: hello
[05:31] <foxxbuntu> I just bought some hosting
[05:31] <bendailey> foxxbuntu: that is fantastic do you bandwidth limits?
[05:31] <foxxbuntu> for this one yeah
[05:31] <foxxbuntu> while I wait on the ISP
[05:31] <foxxbuntu> but its 2.5TB / month
[05:32] <bendailey> I can do DNS now or you can shoot me an email
[05:32] <foxxbuntu> let me get you the ip
[05:32] <bendailey> wow that is better than the 2TB /month I bought
[05:32] <bendailey> ok great
[05:32] <foxxbuntu> yea you want to know what it cost?
[05:32] <foxxbuntu> $83/year
[05:32] <bendailey> wow that is fantastic
[05:32] <bendailey> I paid more like 110/year
[05:33] <bendailey> where did you buy?
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> its got 250GB of storae too
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> www.anhosting.com
[05:33] <bendailey> good deal
[05:33] <bendailey> do you remember the link to check torrent stats on mythbuntu.org?
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> 216.104.43.242
[05:33] <bendailey> ok where is the server located?
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> nope sorry
[05:33] <foxxbuntu> Chicago
[05:33] <bendailey> I can't get the i386 iso torrent for squat right now
[05:34] <foxxbuntu> uh oh
[05:35] <foxxbuntu> do you have the file structure and cron jobs I need to make it work with the other mirrors?
[05:36] <bendailey> file structure is currently root of webhosting and we just ftped images up to my servers no cronjobs
[05:37] <cooper76> fyi, schedules direct is now at $20/yr
[05:37] <cooper76> that was quick!
[05:38] <bendailey> ok us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org resolves here
[05:39] <bendailey> cooper76: yeah that was quick I just got done giving a presentation on MythTV at the Fort Wayne LUG and was just talking about that milestone and how quickly that had made it through the previous ones
[05:43] <foxxbuntu> YAY... I am actually in my web hosting now!!
[05:47] <bendailey> foxbuntu: I can see the default apache splash on your web host :)
[05:47] <foxxbuntu> yea
[05:47] <foxxbuntu> I am just geting things started
[05:48] <foxxbuntu> I have to get Drupal setup on here yet
[05:48] <bendailey> We need to get with Daviey and setup a weighting system based on GB/month so that we don't exhaust any host to quickly
[05:48] <bendailey> do you think that will work well for the mirrors?
[05:50] <foxxbuntu> yea it should be alright
[05:50] <foxxbuntu> bendailey, do you have the current iso somewhere so i can get it up on my server?
[05:50] <foxxbuntu> since you said DL was slow
[05:51] <bendailey> I only have it on my mirrors
[05:52] <bendailey> you don't have shell access do you?
[05:52] <foxxbuntu> uh
[05:52] <foxxbuntu> let me look
[05:54] <foxxbuntu> bendailey, not atm...but they noted I just have to contact support to get it
[05:55] <bendailey> if you get shell I can give links to my first mirror which is not currently in rotation and you can pull them with wget
[05:56] <bendailey> my first mirror was 100GB/month it was all used in 6 days
[05:56] <bendailey> but they have just today doubled my allowance
[05:58] <foxxbuntu> ah
[05:59] <foxxbuntu> bendailey, PM me the link and I will do it later after support gets back to me
[06:02] <bendailey> foxxbuntu: did you get pm?
[06:02] <foxxbuntu> yup
[06:02] <foxxbuntu> thanks
[06:02] <bendailey> no problem
[06:03] <bendailey> ttfn
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> superm1, the new mirror host is coming online tonight
[06:07] <superm1> okay let me or Daviey know when its ready to be added to the rotation
[06:07] <superm1> and we can add it to the download script
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> k
[06:08] <foxxbuntu> I will be pulling the isos over as soon as I get shell access
[06:10] <MythbuntuGuest94> While I am using mythbuntu with my streamzap remote the screen goes blank after 10 minutes of watching video the I have to press a key on the keyboard to get the screen to come back up.  Durring this time I can still hear the audio just fine.
[06:11] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest94, yeah someone else reported the same thing.
[06:11] <superm1> tgm4883, figure it out eventually?
[06:11] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest94, as a temporary check if it solves the problem, can you
[06:11] <superm1> xset -dpms
[06:11] <superm1> from a console on the system?  You can get to one via the control centre
[06:12] <tgm4883> superm1, figure out what?
[06:12] <superm1> the dpms / X screensaver solution
[06:13] <tgm4883> ah
[06:13] <tgm4883> as to my screen going blank during tv?
[06:13] <tgm4883> it was the gnome screen saver
[06:13] <tgm4883> and you can use the terminal from the control centre
[06:13] <tgm4883> but not as the root user, you have to do it as the regular user
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest94> how do you get to the control center?
[06:14] <superm1> from the settings menu
[06:14] <tgm4883> setup setup mythbuntu
[06:15] <tgm4883> or something like that
[06:15] <MythbuntuGuest94> I am there but don't set a terminal
[06:15] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest94, have you not apt-get update/apt-get upgraded?
[06:15] <tgm4883> sounds like you need to update
[06:15] <superm1> the new version includes the terminal option in the control centre
[06:15] <tgm4883> superm1, i think it requires a apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:16] <MythbuntuGuest94> I did that from a remote terminal
[06:16] <superm1> then you should see it in the advanced management tab
[06:16] <superm1> of the control centre
[06:16] <MythbuntuGuest94> but don't have access to a local terminal that I know of
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest94> I don't have any tabs in the mythbuntu control center just buttons on the left
[06:17] <superm1> exactly
[06:17] <superm1> the buttons on the left
[06:17] <superm1> there is an 'advanced management' button
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest94> no I don't have that button
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest94> how do I get that button
[06:18] <superm1> you need to make sure that you have updated the control centre
[06:18] <superm1> it should have happened when you apt-get dist-upgraded
[06:18] <tgm4883> superm1, does the newer control centre depend on more packages than the old version?
[06:18] <superm1> yes
[06:18] <tgm4883> ok
[06:18] <tgm4883> you need to dist-upgrade then
[06:18] <superm1> the version you should have is 0.5-0ubuntu1
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest94> how do I check version
[06:19] <superm1> apt-cache policy mythbuntu-control-centre
[06:19] <tgm4883> i also think a sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre should work
[06:20] <tgm4883> as that should just update the control centre and get any other required packages
[06:20] <TechBill> what the command for dis-upgrade .. was it apptuide dis-upgrade?
[06:20] <TechBill> I forgot 8-/
[06:20] <tgm4883> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:20] <TechBill> ok thanks
[06:20] <TechBill> it's CBill just changed my nick to this one now .. 8-)
[06:21] <tgm4883> ok, off to get hooked on Heroes
[06:21] <TechBill> but keeping notes of it
[06:21] <TechBill> later tgm4883
[06:21] <tgm4883> later
[06:21] <superm1> tgm4883, wait
[06:21] <tgm4883> yea
[06:21] <superm1> you didn't have to do *anything* wrg to dpms then?
[06:21] <superm1> to get things working?
[06:21] <superm1> just the gnome screensaver stuff
[06:22] <tgm4883> no, I just disabled the gnome screensaver stuff.  I had also disabled dpms, but have since re-enabled it and have watched around 5 shows with everything working properly
[06:22] <tgm4883> so
[06:22] <FoxMedia> <--- www.foxmediasystems.com
[06:22] <tgm4883> all you should need to do is
[06:22] <tgm4883> open the terminal in the control centre
[06:23] <tgm4883> su - user  (not totally sure on this command, you need to basically log in as the reg user in the terminal)
[06:23] <tgm4883> ^^^ NOT ROOT
[06:23] <tgm4883> and then run gnome-screensaver-manager
[06:23] <superm1> tgm4883, if this persists upon the next cd release
[06:23] <tgm4883> disable the screensaver and then exit
[06:23] <superm1> we need to find a way to script the solution
[06:23] <superm1> into a package
[06:24] <tgm4883> if it persists, i'll look into it
[06:24] <tgm4883> cause it's a major problem
[06:24] <superm1> okay sweet
[06:24] <superm1> enjoy the heroes, you've got a lot to watch to get ready for monday :)
[06:24] <tgm4883> rough date on next cd?
[06:24] <superm1> asap
[06:24] <tgm4883> supem1, I have a LOT to watch.  I just finished episode 2 of season 1
[06:24] <tgm4883> :)
[06:24] <superm1> wow
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I got your Im about the alignment on 1024x768...any ideas how far its off?
[06:25] <tgm4883> But I definetly think it's going into my list
[06:25] <TechBill> I never seen Heros but I seen them out in Best Buy on DVD
[06:25] <superm1> pretty bad
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> thats really strange, I never changed that
[06:25] <tgm4883> TechBill, Blockbuster online, it's pretty sweet
[06:25] <superm1> foxxbuntu, yeah i think you did
[06:25] <superm1> i saw position stuff modified in the .c file?
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> did i?
[06:26] <tgm4883> Anyway out all, off to Save the cheerleader and save the world
[06:26] <foxxbuntu> oh you know...maybe in one of the very first revs
[06:26] <TechBill> can MythTV play online stuffs from Blockbuster or you have to have a DRM software to play that?
[06:26] <foxxbuntu> and I never fixed it
[06:26] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I will get it looked at asap
[06:26] <tgm4883> TechBill, all those movie download services require WMP 11
[06:26] <tgm4883> ok, really out this time
[06:26] <TechBill> ah ok
[06:26] <TechBill> thanks
[06:28] <MythbuntuGuest94> ok caught up now
[06:28] <MythbuntuGuest94> how do I pull up the gnome screensaver manager?
[06:29] <superm1> you have to 'su username'
[06:29] <superm1> where username is your name
[06:29] <superm1> and then gnome-screensaver-preferences
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest59> hi all
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest94> got it thanks a bunch
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest59> does anyone know of a free guide data service?
[06:37] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest59, the rates for schedules direct just dropped
[06:37] <superm1> its 20/yr now
[06:38] <MythbuntuGuest59> is that the only option?
[06:39] <superm1> honestly i haven't researched to look into any other options
[06:39] <superm1> you can check in #mythtv-users
[06:39] <superm1> and on the mailing list
[06:39] <superm1> do report back though if you find something
[06:39] <superm1> i'm sure that we'll get the same question
[06:41] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I am in love with Drupal
[06:41] <foxxbuntu> :)
[06:44] <superm1> drupal is very easy and fun to use :)
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> that indeed
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> I have already uploaded like 10 plugins
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> of course google analytics was first
[06:47] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I can add a torrent tracker from my site too if need be
[06:48] <foxxbuntu> I just put the drupal plugin up
[07:27] <morphinex> oh, so close
[07:36] <TechBill> hrmmm got an issue
[07:37] <TechBill> I had Mythbuntu running for several days since I installed it and tonight did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it upgrade a bunch of pacakge then locked up hrmm
[07:38] <TechBill> rebooting it then
[07:42] <TechBill> hrmm everything seem to be fine now after the reboot
[07:43] <TechBill> did a dist-upgrade and no new upgrade so it must have installed everything fine
[07:44] <TechBill> aw it cannot find backend server damn
[07:45] <TechBill> backend is running
[07:45] <TechBill> but frontend can't find it after the get-apt dist-upgrade
[07:46] <TechBill> any idea what may broke?
[07:50] <foxxbuntu> superm1, you there?
[07:50] <foxxbuntu> Daviey, you there?
[07:51] <TechBill> I am suspecting that host file disappeared .. where should it be at?
[07:51] <TechBill> at /etc/host?
[07:52] <superm1> /etc/hosts
[07:52] <foxxbuntu> TechBill, just re-run mythtv-setup from the Control Centre and add the server information back in
[07:52] <TechBill> the server information is already in there
[07:52] <TechBill> hrmm
[07:52] <foxxbuntu> oh
[07:52] <TechBill> well I am running mythfilldatabase now
[07:52] <superm1> foxxbuntu, what you need?
[07:52] <foxxbuntu> superm1, go ahead and add my server to the rotation
[07:52] <superm1> what is the server?
[07:52] <foxxbuntu> the second iso is almost in
[07:52] <TechBill> but I don't see the hosts file so the upgrade delete it for some reason
[07:52] <superm1> well it needs to be all done
[07:52] <superm1> before i add it in
[07:52] <foxxbuntu> us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[07:53] <TechBill> ah found it
[07:53] <TechBill> information is in there
[07:53] <TechBill> oh well waiting for mythfilldatabase to complete then Ill see if it working again
[07:53] <foxxbuntu> superm1, alright..it will be done in aprox 4 mins
[07:54] <TechBill> I am glad I waited until today to sign up with SD
[07:54] <TechBill> 20 a year now 8-)
[07:54] <foxxbuntu> its retro active TechBill
[07:54] <TechBill> wait I see the error in hosts
[07:54] <TechBill> why did it change the hostname from 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.1.1
[07:55] <TechBill> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[07:55] <TechBill> 127.0.1.1       MediaBox
[07:57] <TechBill> I didn't see what ip it set when I first install mythbuntu but it should be same as localhost
[07:57] <superm1> TechBill, that is correct
[07:57] <superm1> that file
[07:57] <TechBill> oh it is?
[07:57] <superm1> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[07:57] <superm1> 127.0.1.1       portablemario
[07:57] <TechBill> hostname have a different ip than the localthose?
[07:57] <superm1> is how mine looks
[07:57] <TechBill> ok
[07:57] <TechBill> ok it working now
[07:57] <TechBill> after doing a myth-setup and database fill
[07:58] <TechBill> guess i hvae to set up everytime I do a upgrade
[07:58] <TechBill> don't you normally keep the hostname and localhost the same ip?
[07:59] <TechBill> cool I saw you add Snapstream remote to the list now
[07:59] <TechBill> let me test it 8-)
[08:00] <superm1> shouldn't need to change too much with having to rerun myth-setup and database fill on upgrades
[08:00] <superm1> that's kinda odd you did need to
[08:00] <TechBill> yeah
[08:00] <TechBill> but it working
[08:01] <superm1> TechBill, they are on different subnets
[08:01] <superm1> that's just what ubuntu does
[08:01] <TechBill> ah I se
[08:01] <TechBill> see
[08:01] <TechBill> I just select the SnapStream remote and pop up a box Control Centre Progress "Configuring Application Specific Remote buttons .." but box still stuck there
[08:02] <TechBill> even progress bar is full the box isn't disappearing and seem to be stuck
[08:02] <TechBill> am I suppose to close it myself?
[08:02] <superm1> you haven't upgraded to the latest mythbuntu-lirc-generator or mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:02] <superm1> if that is happening
[08:03] <TechBill> ah it doesn't get upgraded with dist?
[08:03] <superm1> it should have
[08:03] <TechBill> well I closed box
[08:03] <superm1> okay
[08:03] <TechBill> and now it kinda locked up
[08:03] <superm1> can you pastebin your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ?
[08:03] <superm1> i wonder if you had a weird side effect from the upgrade
[08:03] <superm1> that i was thinking might happen
[08:03] <TechBill> ok sec
[08:04] <TechBill> need to ssh in
[08:04] <TechBill> give me a sec
[08:05] <TechBill> looks good to me .. putting it in pastebin
[08:05] <superm1> also do these
[08:05] <superm1> apt-cache policy mythbuntu-control-centre | grep Installed
[08:05] <TechBill> http://pastebin.com/m5add84af
[08:05] <superm1> apt-cache policy mythbuntu-lirc-generator | grep Installed
[08:05] <TechBill> btw this is CBiLL just change my nick to this one from now on
[08:06] <superm1> right
[08:06] <superm1> yea that file looks fine
[08:07] <TechBill> http://pastebin.com/mb5d4f2f
[08:07] <superm1> those are indeed the latest versions too.
[08:07] <superm1> hmm very interesting that the window would have gotten stuck
[08:07] <TechBill> yup
[08:07] <TechBill> well should I reboot the box then?
[08:08] <TechBill> mythtv seem to be frozen
[08:08] <MythbuntuGuest06> I am having trouble getting vnc authenticate me it keeps on refusing connections
[08:08] <superm1> actually
[08:08] <superm1> hit ctrl alt backspace
[08:08] <TechBill> ok
[08:08] <superm1> and that will just restart x
[08:08] <TechBill> nothing
[08:08] <superm1> can you try to run the control centre one more time
[08:08] <superm1> interesting
[08:08] <TechBill> there
[08:08] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I am ready now
[08:08] <TechBill> I didn't press ctrl hard enough
[08:09] <superm1> TechBill, can you run the control centre once more
[08:09] <foxxbuntu> server has the iso's and md5's
[08:09] <TechBill> yes
[08:09] <TechBill> going back there
[08:09] <superm1> and have it reconfigure the remote specific buttons
[08:09] <superm1> and make sure it doesnt do that again
[08:09] <superm1> if ti does, then, i'll need a backtrace filed to fix it
[08:09] <foxxbuntu> superm1, crap actually hold off on that
[08:09] <TechBill> ok changing remote to no remote
[08:09] <superm1> well dont need to do that even
[08:09] <foxxbuntu> I think my IP is going to change soon
[08:09] <superm1> just need to hit the checkbox
[08:09] <TechBill> ok
[08:09] <superm1> below to generate the buttons
[08:09] <TechBill> seem to be stuck
[08:09] <TechBill> same thing
[08:10] <superm1> okay then
[08:10] <superm1> you'll have to run the control centre like this
[08:10] <superm1> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:10] <TechBill> should it wipe the hardware.config?
[08:10] <superm1> and then when it gets to that part hopefully it spits a backtrace to the terminal
[08:10] <TechBill> ok
[08:10] <TechBill> starting via terminal
[08:12] <TechBill> yes error
[08:12] <superm1> can you paste bin it
[08:13] <TechBill> trying to figure how to copy the error and paste it over on this computer
[08:14] <TechBill> yeah I can in a sec
[08:14] <TechBill> saved it in a txt and need to ftp it over here
[08:14] <superm1> ah
[08:15] <superm1> foxxbuntu, why is your ip going to change?
[08:16] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I was on a shared one with the basic package and I just bought a Static IP
[08:16] <morphinex> hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I got evertthing working in just one one night thanks to mythbuntu
[08:16] <TechBill> superm1 : here you go -> http://pastebin.com/m476d315f
[08:16] <morphinex> When I set up FC6 it took like three days
[08:16] <superm1> awesome morphinex :)
[08:16] <TechBill> need to install firefox on mythbuntu hehe 8-)
[08:17] <foxxbuntu> so ben will be glad to find out that the DNS record will need updated :)
[08:17] <superm1> TechBill, its installed :)
[08:17] <TechBill> oh
[08:17] <superm1> TechBill, okay you've got a weird situation here
[08:17] <superm1> your .lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc are symlinks?
[08:17] <TechBill> yes it is indeed installed =P
[08:17] <TechBill> let me look
[08:19] <TechBill> either don't seem to be symlinks
[08:19] <TechBill> but both files exists
[08:19] <superm1> are they hardlinks?
[08:19] <TechBill> seem like it
[08:19] <superm1> #
[08:19] <superm1> shutil.Error: `/home/mediabox/.lircrc` and `/home/mediabox/.mythtv/lircrc` are the same file
[08:19] <superm1> because that is the only explanation i can see for that
[08:19] <TechBill> which is suppose to be symlnk?
[08:19] <TechBill> to the other
[08:20] <superm1> well neither needs to be a symlink
[08:20] <superm1> but them being a hardlink really throws the app
[08:20] <superm1> did you do that yourself?
[08:20] <TechBill> yes I manually edit one of them myself
[08:20] <superm1> which one?
[08:21] <TechBill> can't remember which one .. I saw one was a symlink to other so I did the one that wasn't a symlink
[08:21] <TechBill> but I do clearly remember one of the lircrc was a symlink to the other lircrc
[08:22] <superm1> okay so now niether is a symlink though
[08:22] <superm1> that's really odd
[08:22] <TechBill> right
[08:22] <TechBill> ls -l telling me both are actual files
[08:22] <TechBill> don't see a lircrc => to another lircrc
[08:22] <TechBill> like me double check it
[08:22] <superm1> well it sounds like when you tried to make the symlink before
[08:23] <superm1> you actually did a ln without the -s
[08:23] <superm1> and you made a hardlink
[08:23] <superm1> can you file a bug with this against the control-centre?
[08:23] <TechBill> never made a symlnk before
[08:23] <superm1> and some notes that you may have symlinks or hardlinks in place
[08:24] <TechBill> I think the lircrc in /mythtv was a symlnk to the .lircrc last time I checked
[08:24] <TechBill> then after apt-get upgrade both are hardfile now
[08:24] <TechBill> or the remote config made them hardfile
[08:25] <superm1> well in the bug i think i just need to get some code in there that will work around them in any of these situations
[08:25] <TechBill> but I do know one of the lircrc was a symlink by default when I installed Mythbuntu and only edited one of the lircrc
[08:25] <superm1> so just file the bug, and i'll try to look at it this weekend
[08:25] <TechBill> ok
[08:25] <TechBill> will do
[08:26] <superm1> in the interim, remove one of those files
[08:26] <superm1> and just copy it
[08:26] <superm1> from the other one
[08:26] <superm1> so that the control centre doesnt break
[08:27] <TechBill> alright
[08:27] <TechBill> I just put my own custom lircrc back in
[08:27] <TechBill> I was only testing it for you to see if the Snapstream was config correctly by control centre
[08:27] <superm1> ah okay
[08:27] <superm1> thanks :)
[08:27] <superm1> so the snapstream stuff worked for you right?
[08:27] <TechBill> haven't tried it yet
[08:28] <TechBill> checking to see which lircrc was install and updated in control centre to copy over the other
[08:30] <TechBill> strange
[08:30] <TechBill> both lircrc are my custom one
[08:30] <TechBill> it never replaced it
[08:30] <superm1> yeah because of this hardlink thing
[08:30] <TechBill> shall I delete both and see if it create a new one then?
[08:30] <superm1> i'm assuming
[08:30] <superm1> yeah
[08:30] <superm1> it should
[08:31] <frink_> Hey superm1
[08:31] <superm1> hey frink_
[08:31] <TechBill> yeah that was the reason
[08:32] <TechBill> it worked fine
[08:32] <TechBill> my custom was preventing it to create a new one over it
[08:32] <frink_> superm1: WHats your email addy for the hosting stuff?
[08:32] <superm1> frink_, send me a mail to superm1@ubuntu.com
[08:32] <superm1> or we can just discuss details in the channel too
[08:32] <superm1> since i'm here now
[08:33] <frink_> OK, I gotta go out soon but  got a few mons.
[08:33] <TechBill> nope didn't work .. checking the confs to see what missing
[08:34] <TechBill> does it restart lircd?
[08:34] <superm1> No it doesn't
[08:34] <TechBill> oh ok going to restart it then
[08:34] <superm1> lircd is restarted when you chagne remotes only
[08:34] <TechBill> I did change remote from no remote to snapstream hrmm
[08:34] <superm1> frink_, okay so what have you got wrg to hosting and such then?
[08:35] <superm1> and where is the physical location etc
[08:35] <frink_> So we have a UK datacenter and bandwidth to use. I can do you pretty much as much disk as you need and upto about 700Mb/s to our LINX peers (most of europe/uk/some US) and about 100Mb/s to the rest of the world. No volume transfer limit. All for the grand price of $0
[08:36] <superm1> wow that's awesome
[08:36] <frink_> We have a load of Duel cpu quad core boxes al running vmware ESX. We then operate a usage based scaling system.
[08:36] <frink_> So I'll setup one VM to start and then if you need more server capacity then one core will supply, I'll just add cores/vmware instances to it and we have a load balancing system to share load between servers.
[08:37] <superm1> great :).  For the moment, i don't anticipate needing more capacity than 6 GB or so including OS
[08:37] <TechBill> superm1 : ok it using the ATIUSB_5000015900A lircd.conf which won't work for SnapStream Firefly Remote
[08:37] <superm1> TechBill, which lircd.conf is needed for the firefly?
[08:38] <TechBill> I submitted it on that bug report
[08:38] <TechBill> all 3 files
[08:38] <frink_> The FTP/WWW side is not usually firewalled for download access but SSH access and anything that lets you write can be protected by a firewall that requires you to login to the firewall before you access the server
[08:38] <TechBill> hardware.conf and lircd.conf and lircrc
[08:38] <TechBill> let me find that bug report for you sec
[08:38] <frink_> I gotta fly now, but email leigh.porter@ukbroadband.com
[08:39] <superm1> okay cool.  i'll fire you a mail in a bit
[08:39] <frink_> cool
[08:39] <frink_> ttyl
[08:39] <superm1> cya
[08:40] <TechBill> it was at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/140060
[08:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140060 in lirc "SnapStream RF USB and Firefly Remote" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[08:40] <TechBill> but it gone
[08:40] <TechBill> or moved
[08:41] <superm1> well i added in your lircd.conf into the patch for that.
[08:41] <superm1> hm
[08:41] <TechBill> had 3 files attached to that report
[08:41] <TechBill> it used the atbui one
[08:41] <TechBill> let me try one more time and check
[08:42] <TechBill> hrmmm you seem to combine the choice to with atiusb
[08:42] <foxxbuntu> superm1, actually you can go ahead and add me into the rotation becuase even if my ip changes thats just a quick dns update
[08:43] <superm1> foxxbuntu, when will you know if the ip is changing?
[08:43] <TechBill> atiusb/nvidia/snapstream/x10 all using the same lird.conf it seem
[08:43] <foxxbuntu> idk...waiting for tech support to email me back
[08:43] <foxxbuntu> the host name wont though
[08:43] <foxxbuntu> we will still be using us-il.
[08:43] <superm1> TechBill, oh you know what?  Perhaps its because i only patched the  lircd.conf.atilibusb but not lircd.conf.atiusb
[08:43] <superm1> are you using the kernelspace driver?
[08:43] <superm1> or the userspace
[08:44] <TechBill> kernelspace
[08:44] <TechBill> userspace should allow me to choose a different conf?
[08:44] <TechBill> all the bottom is greyed out and won't let me choose a different conf it seem
[08:44] <superm1> well it loads a different conf
[08:44] <superm1> when you choose userspace
[08:45] <TechBill> hrmm
[08:45] <TechBill> I choose the ati/nvidia/snapstream but how do I tell it to use the snapstream lircd.conf?
[08:46] <TechBill> the selection below is greyed out and won't let me change
[08:47] <superm1> when you choose the other ati/nvidia/snapstream option
[08:47] <superm1> it chooses the other config
[08:47] <TechBill> the userspace?
[08:47] <superm1> yeah
[08:48] <TechBill> ok trying it
[08:48] <superm1> no wait a minute, it looks like they are applied to both
[08:48] <TechBill> no it still using the same atiusb
[08:48] <TechBill> yes
[08:48] <superm1> there are lots of remotes in the lircd.conf
[08:48] <TechBill> and greyed out that I can't select a different one
[08:48] <TechBill> let me look again closer hehe
[08:49] <TechBill> yeah it changed the lircd.conf on userspace .. I see firefly in it now
[08:50] <TechBill> no go
[08:50] <TechBill> checking lircd.conf then lircrc
[08:51] <superm1> the lircrc needs to be the one generated from mythbuntu-lirc-generator possibly
[08:51] <superm1> but i'm not positive
[08:55] <TechBill> only different I see in lirc that was generated is that in mine delay=3  and in generated one delay=0
[08:56] <TechBill> some have repeat too but not generated
[08:57] <superm1> well the other noticable difference is the name of the remote used possibly?
[08:57] <superm1> because the lircrc made from the lirc-generator likely reflects all the remotes in the lircd.conf
[08:58] <TechBill> remote = Snapstream
[08:58] <TechBill> wonder if it should been Firefly
[08:59] <TechBill> doesnt seem to generate all the number buttons in lircrc either
[09:00] <TechBill> nm I found the rest
[09:02] <TechBill> ok maybe found the bug
[09:03] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I will let you know when my site is Prod ready and I will look at the alignment on the USplash sometime tomorrow too
[09:03] <foxxbuntu> ...on that note
[09:03] <foxxbuntu> night
[09:05] <TechBill> ok superm1 I think I narrowed it down
[09:05] <TechBill> checking some more
[09:07] <superm1> okay
[09:09] <TechBill> is the name in lircd.conf suppose to match the name in lircrc for remote?
[09:09] <superm1> yes
[09:10] <TechBill> ok that might be one reason .. correcting the names to see if it fixes it
[09:10] <superm1> which names were wrong?
[09:11] <TechBill> well lircd.conf had name SnapStream Firefly and the lircrc had name Snapstream
[09:11] <TechBill> but it didnt work when I corrected it
[09:11] <TechBill> hrmmp
[09:13] <TechBill> how does mythtv know which remote is working? there a long list of remotes in lircrc thou
[09:14] <superm1> well it can use any of them
[09:14] <superm1> that are listed in the lircd.conf
[09:14] <TechBill> ok so name in lircd.conf is suppose to match remote= in lircrc then?
[09:16] <superm1> right
[09:16] <superm1> well at least one instance of irt
[09:17] <TechBill> the name are different one is missing "Firefly" but I correct it and it still did not work
[09:17] <TechBill> so checking the rest of settings
[09:19] <superm1> hm okay
[09:24] <TechBill> got it working
[09:24] <TechBill> but seem to be backward
[09:24] <TechBill> hehe
[09:24] <TechBill> up arrow is going downward
[09:25] <superm1> haha
[09:25] <superm1> interesting...
[09:25] <TechBill> yeah it using some other remote conf
[09:25] <TechBill> not it own
[09:27] <TechBill> well choosing (userspace) does load the conf files with snapstram but wrong hardware.conf
[09:27] <TechBill> and choosing (keneral) load the correct hardware.conf but missing conf for the remote
[09:28] <TechBill> right now I am trying to figure out how control centre write the conf and see if I can get it working correctly then Ill submit it
[09:28] <superm1> well the userspace option is basically a kernel free option
[09:28] <superm1> you dont need that kernel module at all
[09:28] <superm1> so the hardware.conf will be different
[09:29] <TechBill> userspace load some driver which snapstream failed to work
[09:29] <superm1> i see
[09:29] <TechBill> and put "none" in the module statement which lirc complained about
[09:29] <superm1> so maybe snapstream only works in kernel mode
[09:29] <TechBill> right
[09:29] <superm1> but it loads the wrong lircd.conf?
[09:29] <superm1> when its in kernel mode?
[09:29] <TechBill> missing the conf
[09:30] <TechBill> yeah
[09:30] <TechBill> here what it look like when it running userspace
[09:30] <TechBill> http://pastebin.com/m71632be9
[09:30] <superm1> what does the MODULES= look like
[09:30] <superm1> for that run?
[09:30] <TechBill> that becasue in hardware.conf it had MODULES="none"
[09:31] <superm1> rather than ""
[09:31] <TechBill> should be MODULES=""
[09:31] <TechBill> yes
[09:31] <TechBill> Ill submit a bug for this one
[09:31] <TechBill> if you want
[09:31] <superm1> well just add more notes to your old bug
[09:31] <superm1> because its the same problem
[09:31] <superm1> just not fixed right still
[09:31] <TechBill> ok
[09:31] <TechBill> will do
[09:32] <TechBill> but should keneral and userspace be using the same lircd.conf and lircrc?
[09:32] <TechBill> just different hardware.conf
[09:32] <TechBill> correct?
[09:32] <superm1> well the lircd.conf that gets loaded is actually a little different too
[09:32] <superm1> i think
[09:33] <superm1> i'm not sure why though
[09:33] <superm1> probably historically the way it was done
[09:36] <TechBill> maybe be better to take it out of ATI/Nivida and have it own selection
[09:36] <TechBill> but use the same hardware.conf and module as the ATI/Nidia
[09:36] <superm1> yeah that's doable
[09:37] <superm1> well its time for bed for me
[09:37] <superm1> nn
[09:37] <TechBill> nn
[11:12] <laga> re
[11:16] <laga> great. FTBS in linux-ubuntu-modules
[11:19] <laga> i don't even like its name.
[11:20] <laga> oh, it comes with a lot of segfaults
[11:54] <Daviey> Is "Leigh" about?
[11:57] <laga>  /whois ?
[04:17] <superm1> Daviey, frink
[04:19] <tgm4883> yay for launchpad
[04:30] <Daviey> superm1: pong
[04:31] <Daviey> frink_: Ah are you Leigh?
[04:31] <superm1_> yeah
[04:37] <chuk> are we close to a new release?  I'm getting ready to re-build a backend
[04:37] <Daviey> chuk: Maybe.. need to sort out distrubition mirros first
[04:38] <superm1> well need to let that kernel populate so we can build with it
[04:38] <chuk> ah
[04:38] <superm1> and then we'll really know of sure
[04:38] <superm1> and DaveMorris you here?
[04:41] <laga> re
[04:41] <superm1> hey laga
[04:42] <laga> hey
[04:42] <laga> just build a iso, gotta check if the new kernel is there
[04:42] <superm1> 2.6.22-12
[04:42] <laga> it was FTBS ealrier this morning but they fixed it
[04:42] <superm1> is the kernel that is needed
[04:42] <superm1> and 2.6.22-12.29 is the linux-ubuntu-modules version
[04:42] <laga> still 2.6.22-11 here.
[04:43] <superm1> well it looks like 2.6.22-12 kernel is available
[04:43] <superm1> but the linux-image-generic package isn't depending on it
[04:43] <superm1> (yet)
[04:43] <Daviey> Avaliable here..
[04:43] <laga> this parcel service takes ages.looks like i wont get my radeon till tomorrow
[04:44] <Daviey> eeek linux-image-2.6.22-12-ume - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on Ubuntu Moblie and Embedded
[04:44] <Daviey> That's new!
[04:44] <laga> indeed, -12 is available here too
[04:44] <superm1> i think i just got my VFD yesterday. i got some registered mail from italy, but need to run to the post office to pick it up :)
[04:44] <laga> from italy? wow
[04:44] <Daviey> Italy heh?
[04:45] <superm1> spoky99 was going to send me one
[04:45] <laga> i'll be glad to add support for 500GB hard disks, btw.
[04:45] <Daviey> laga: ^ whats the issue?
[04:45] <superm1> so with any luck having one of these to play with should get me to add lcdproc stuff
[04:46] <Daviey> \o/
[04:46] <laga> Daviey: they need to be donated to me. various makes. so i can verify they're working
[04:46] <tgm4883> how many mirrors do we have?
[04:47] <Daviey> mine doesn't working with a SATA pci card :(
[04:47] <Daviey> tgm4883: 3 atm
[04:47] <superm1> oh i was going to say, have we looked at ibilio.org?
[04:47] <Daviey> or is it now 4
[04:47] <tgm4883> didn't we have more?
[04:47] <Daviey> tgm4883: yeah.. i had to drop the uk mirror
[04:47] <tgm4883> ah ok
[04:47] <bendailey> Daviey: I have another 100GB on us-mi
[04:48] <laga> superm1: looks like l-r-m is still missing for 2.6.22-12. can i build a live cd without that or will it break?
[04:48] <Daviey> bendailey: shall i re-add it?
[04:48] <superm1> laga, well you can build one without it as long as you don't need it
[04:48] <laga> good
[04:48] <superm1> but has l-u-m shown up on your mirror yet?
[04:48] <bendailey> well do you want to setup weighting for all the mirrors based on bandwidth available per month?
[04:48] <laga> superm1: yes
[04:49] <laga> why cant we put more emphasis on bittorrent?
[04:49] <superm1> bendailey, that sounds like an ideal way to do things
[04:49] <Daviey> bendailey: yeah.. will do... I'll have to redo it better soon anyway - if canonical give us a mirror
[04:49] <bendailey> Daviey: foxxbuntu had me add dns for us-il last night he bought a 2.5TB/month package
[04:49] <laga> i wonder if he'll get kicked off for using 2.5TB ;)
[04:49] <Daviey> I'm thinking of a mysql database that lists the allowed bandwidth, and ticks down as each person clicks
[04:50] <bendailey> Daviey: do you want any help with php script/mysql structure?
[04:50] <Daviey> bendailey: If your a php whizzkid, sure
[04:50] <laga> is it normal for XFS to take ages when deleting directories with lots of files?
[04:50] <Daviey> superm1: do we have mysql access on mythbuntu.org?
[04:50] <superm1> Daviey, well not for making databases
[04:51] <bendailey> I wrote a content management system for day job in php/mysql and it turned out ok :)
[04:51] <bendailey> I can host some mysql databases on my accounts with remote access
[04:51] <Daviey> superm1 & bendailey, we could migrate the redirect script to the uk mirror - where i can create mysql databases
[04:51] <superm1> well or just ask jumpkick
[04:51] <superm1> to make a DB :)
[04:51] <Daviey> that would be better
[04:51] <superm1> or re-use the existing DB
[04:52] <superm1> that is there for drupal
[04:52] <Daviey> I'd rather keep the whole site on one server
[04:52] <superm1> can always add another table
[04:52] <bendailey> aggreed one server is best
[04:52] <Daviey> could do, but scared that my php hacking will bork drupal
[04:53] <bendailey> I don't mind using the exsiting db with a couple additional tables but I would be worried about drupal changes/upgrades killing the table.
[04:54] <Daviey> good point!
[04:54] <DaveMorris> here now
[04:54] <Daviey> DaveMorris: better late than never s'pose
[04:55] <superm1> DaveMorris, i was looking over your opensg again.  i think you mentioned the debian/control still needs to be fixed
[04:55] <superm1> i saw 3 things wrg to that
[04:55] <superm1>  - is still > 80 characters
[04:55] <superm1>  - Maintainer should be listed as Ubuntu MOTU <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[04:55] <superm1>  - David Morris should be listed as the original maintainer
[04:55] <superm1> i'm doing a gutsy test build right now
[04:56] <bendailey> Daviey: do you want to to get me your existing php script and I will see if I can actually make a small contribution to the project :)
[04:56] <DaveMorris> ok, I've also changed the included dir to be opensg instead of OpenSG
[04:56] <DaveMorris> I fixed the debain control file, but I forgot to upload it :)
[04:57] <Daviey> bendailey: no worries, can i email it
[04:57] <superm1> also everything is in the .orig.tar.gz
[04:57] <superm1> the debian/ directory should *always* be in the .diff.tar.gz
[04:57] <laga> unless it's a native debian package
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[04:58] <laga> i want two raptor hard disks in raid0. and a pony
[04:59] <DaveMorris> how do you get it to do that automatically
[04:59] <superm1> on a show i was watching last night they were talking about how you can take two very masculine things and make a feminine one out of them.  take for example a horse and a horn.  both two very manly things.  but put them together, and what do you have?  That's right a unicorn.
[05:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, don't make any changes in the .orig.tar.gz ever
[05:00] <superm1> just make your changes in the working directory
[05:00] <Daviey> laga: what is the point of a RAID0?!
[05:00] <superm1> when you do debuild -S -sa, it will extract the .orig.tar.gz and compare the two
[05:00] <superm1> and that's how you get a .diff.tar.gz
[05:01] <DaveMorris> oh, I need to have the rest of the source compressed rather than as a flat file system
[05:01] <superm1> yes
[05:01] <laga> Daviey: speed.
[05:02] <Daviey> bendailey: ygm
[05:03] <laga> superm1: horses? manly? have you seen the "horse whisperer"
[05:03] <superm1> laga, well 'generally' horses are pretty manly
[05:03] <laga> unless they are castrated
[05:04] <bendailey> Daviey: ygm?? You get my mail???
[05:04] <Daviey> yup
[05:04] <Daviey> "you got mail"
[05:04] <bendailey> no my isp uses [grey listing|relay delay] 
[05:04] <superm1> DaveMorris, yeah this linda/lintian run is taking ages because the .orig.tar.gz contains all files.  it normally runs in < min
[05:05] <Daviey> Anybody watching Hero's?
[05:05] <superm1> and this looks like quite the lengthy build too
[05:05] <superm1> Daviey, watched it earlier this year
[05:05] <Daviey> superm1: better than Lost?
[05:05] <superm1> also DaveMorris W: opensg source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log
[05:06] <superm1> Daviey, two very different shows, but that hook you in the same way
[05:06] <superm1> i like both a lot
[05:06] <superm1> its definitely worth a run through S1
[05:06] <DaveMorris> superm1: what about those?
[05:06] <superm1> S2 starts up very soon
[05:07] <Daviey> superm1: I watched S1 in a few days :O
[05:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, you need to take out that config.log in your .orig.tar.gz and .diff.tar.gz
[05:07] <superm1> Daviey, yeah, its one of those shows that its really easy to do that with :)
[05:07] <superm1> DaveMorris, okay now about mythbuntu-default-settings?
[05:08] <superm1> DaveMorris, is that ready to push up to the archive now?
[05:09] <bendailey> Daviey: ygm
[05:09] <DaveMorris> no, I can't get the settings to work in mythbuntu, but if I copy them over the settings of my xfce they seems to be fine, is that isofs bug thing fixed yet
[05:09] <superm1> DaveMorris, the change was uploaded yesterday, so it should be reflected later today hopefully
[05:09] <superm1> for the unionfs issue
[05:10] <DaveMorris> cool
[05:10] <laga> if you need a test build ASAP, i can make a build with the new kernel for -fixes packages
[05:11] <DaveMorris> if it got uploaded the build script should pull it down for me
[05:11] <laga> not yet
[05:11] <laga> the kernels are there, but the meta package does not depend on them yet
[05:12] <superm1> well once those settings are in place, the script that calls the session needs to call upon xfce too
[05:12] <superm1> so how is it started?
[05:15] <laga> god, this -generic kernel is unbearable after having used -rt :/
[05:15] <laga> disk access slows down the whole box although it's just apt-get install
[05:17] <superm1> rt is that much faster eh?
[05:18] <Daviey> yeah, it's like things happen in real time ;)
[05:19] <superm1> haha
[05:20] <superm1> DaveMorris, well perhaps so at least those config files are available in the builds we all do, can you push your changes to the bzr branch and to the mythbuntu ppa?
[05:20] <superm1> i'll push them to the archive after we're all happy with them off the PPA builds
[05:20] <laga> superm1: feels faster. i should try to build the livedisk using the -rt kernel. would make a good test
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #141528 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythweb Fatal Error memory size exhausted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141528
[05:20] <DaveMorris> they are currently in my ppa
[05:20] <DaveMorris> but sure
[05:21] <superm1> well that way we dont need to build with 2 ppas and such
[05:21] <laga> have i understood correctly - the xfce stuff is ready now?
[05:22] <superm1> DaveMorris, how is it called in the session?
[05:22] <superm1> did you sort that out?
[05:22] <superm1> is it just stuff like xfdesktop&
[05:22] <superm1> in the session script
[05:23] <DaveMorris> off the top of my head it's startxfce
[05:23] <superm1> okay and did you add that startxfce to the session script then?
[05:24] <superm1> like an 'exec startxfce'
[05:24] <DaveMorris> I did but it was still launching without it there
[05:24] <superm1> okay that's funky...
[05:24] <DaveMorris> and I was unable to make sure idesktop etc was running because of that bug
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #141529 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythweb Mythweather" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141529
[05:28] <superm1> hm um: $ apt-file search startxfce
[05:28] <superm1> xfce4-utils: usr/bin/startxfce4
[05:28] <superm1> we dont install that by default
[05:28] <superm1> oh wait, yea we do
[05:28] <superm1> its startxfce4
[05:28] <superm1> not startxfce
[05:29] <superm1> DaveMorris, have you actually looked at /usr/bin/startxfce4
[05:30] <superm1> i see exactly why your changes aren't working
[05:30] <superm1> in the first 10 lines of it
[05:31] <superm1> need to set the XDG_CONFIG_HOME
[05:31] <superm1> and XDG_DATA_DIRS
[05:31] <superm1> before its called
[05:37] <laga> the iso have just build gives me a shell in the initramfs
[05:39] <DaveMorris> ok, I'll look at that tonight/tomorrow
[05:39] <DaveMorris> you now how in IT some pople are like 20x more productive than others, which dosen't match the real world
[05:40] <DaveMorris> well superm1 is 20 times as productive as me!
[05:40] <laga> yeah...
[05:40] <laga> heh, if eel that as well :)
[05:40] <DaveMorris> btw superm1 how did your interviews go?
[05:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, the ones yesterday not so hot.
[05:41] <superm1> the one today we'll see
[05:41] <Daviey> interviews?
[05:41] <Daviey> job?
[05:42] <tgm4883> superm1 has a job.
[05:42] <tgm4883> Superm1 - Mythbuntu developer
[05:42] <laga> someone pay him for that
[05:42] <laga> so i can watch more tv
[05:42] <laga> ;)
[05:42] <tgm4883> ^^Full time, no time for other jobs or for life :)
[05:42] <laga> real life is overrated anyways
[05:42] <tgm4883> yea it is
[05:42] <tgm4883> secondlife.com
[05:43] <tgm4883> my real life is buggy
[05:43] <superm1> haha
[05:43] <laga> great. the disk i've built drops back to a shell after "mounting root file system"
[05:43] <laga> :/
[05:43] <Daviey> tgm4883: catch it on the rerun
[05:43] <tgm4883> good call Daviey, but i'll have to get my tuners worked out first :)
[05:44] <Daviey> superm1: If you don't get it - let us know and we'll have a word
[05:44] <Daviey> DaveMorris: ah, you did go through with the ORG thing then
[05:44] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, there's a strange symbol in front of your 5 ;)
[05:44] <superm1> oooh.  i can probably get two beers with that.... :)
[05:44] <laga> yay, booze
[05:44] <superm1> *4
[05:44] <DaveMorris> of course
[05:44] <tgm4883> heh, i didn't know superm1 wanted to be paid in booze
[05:45] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Her flirtatious sales method worked then :)
[05:45] <DaveMorris> kinda, also a good cause
[05:45] <DaveMorris> I bet Jono ain't coughed up yet
[05:45] <laga> what's ORG?
[05:45] <DaveMorris> open rights group
[05:45] <DaveMorris> http://www.openrightsgroup.org/
[05:46] <laga> "rights"?
[05:46] <Daviey> DaveMorris: I haven't signed up yet - but if i see Becky again, she sure can try her sales patter again :)
[05:47] <superm1> okay time for me to run to class and then try to prepare for next interview.  later folks
[05:47] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: woo, i hear you have another mirror?  Got the url?
[05:47] <Daviey> superm1: good luck
[05:47] <foxbuntu_> i need to have the DNS updated but yes
[05:47] <laga> good luck
[05:47] <Daviey> bendailey: ^
[05:52] <bendailey> foxxbuntu_: what needs changed with dns?
[05:54] <bendailey> foxbuntu_: ping
[05:54] <foxbuntu_> hey
[05:54] <foxbuntu_> I bought a new IP (static) so it needs upated
[05:54] <bendailey> hey, you have dns changes?
[05:54] <foxbuntu_> updated*
[05:54] <bendailey> ok hit me with it
[05:55] <foxbuntu_> k
[05:55] <foxbuntu_> 216.104.37.58
[05:58] <bendailey> recorded updated should be propagating now
[05:59] <foxbuntu_> bendailey, awesome
[05:59] <foxbuntu_> I am working on getting the site setup, however the mirror is ready to go
[06:00] <bendailey> great
[06:00] <foxbuntu_> superm1, Daviey : us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is ready to go into the rotation
[06:00] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: Why did you need a static IP?
[06:00] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: cool
[06:01] <foxbuntu_> they wouldn't let me use SSL without buying one
[06:01] <foxbuntu_> stupid...but oh well..still cheap
[06:01] <Daviey> bah
[06:01] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: drupal offline page atm
[06:01] <foxbuntu_> yea
[06:01] <foxbuntu_> but the files are behind it
[06:01] <laga> well, AFAIK an ssl cert is bound to a IP, isn't it?
[06:02] <foxbuntu_> laga, no...actually its bound to a server
[06:02] <foxbuntu_> and bound to the external hostname
[06:02] <laga> if you need your own cert, you still need your own ip, correct?
[06:02] <foxbuntu_> but they way they have their network setup is a little strange
[06:02] <foxbuntu_> yea
[06:03] <foxbuntu_> I just wish they would have posted that upfront is all
[06:03] <foxbuntu_> I mean that I wasn't getting one
[06:03] <foxbuntu_> I have no problem paying for it
[06:04] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: should start receiving traffic now
[06:04] <foxbuntu_> awesome
[06:05] <foxbuntu_> hopefully I don't blow through the traffic I own
[06:05] <bendailey> Daviey: do you have or can we get a list of Bandwidth limits for the mirrors?
[06:05] <foxbuntu_> but 2.5TB /month is alot
[06:05] <chuk> screw 'em, just put up a torrent
[06:06] <laga> right
[06:06] <chuk> if they can't figure out a torrent, they can't figure out Myth
[06:06] <bendailey> by the way the torrent for the i386 alpha4 iso was running like junk yesterday :(
[06:06] <foxbuntu_> I plan up putting up a torrent with my site once I get drupal all setup
[06:06] <Mersault> laga: Can I report a problem with the trunk packages?
[06:06] <laga> Mersault: yes
[06:07] <Daviey> bendailey: eek.. i upped ~20Gb from home to the torrents
[06:07] <Daviey> so i stopped, before i got a complaint from the ISP
[06:07] <Mersault> laga: So I upgraded from Feisty + the weekly -fixes builds to the trunk builds. The backend appears to be working just fine. The frontend (different box) can't connect to the backend though
[06:07] <Mersault> and if I run 'apt-get ugprade', ubuntu-mythtv-frontend is always listed
[06:08] <laga> can you elaborate on the frontend problem
[06:08] <chuk> can you run synaptic?
[06:08] <chuk> I had problems upgrading with apt-get upgrade
[06:08] <chuk> held back packages
[06:08] <chuk> but synaptic allowed them in
[06:08] <Daviey> chuk: apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[06:08] <chuk> I'm sure some kind of user error, but I didn't know what to pass in to apt-get
[06:09] <bendailey> Mersault: did you post this to the MythTV-users list?
[06:09] <Daviey> chuk: I reckon you've either got protocal mismatch - or wrong settings for IP
[06:09] <Mersault> I've tried removing all mythtv packages from the frontend and re-installing them (not just the plugins like you suggested, but everything), and then re-installing just the frontend (I was running a secondary backend on the box too), and event that didn't clear it up
[06:09] <Mersault> bendailey: I mentioned it in a post where someone else was having problems, yes.
[06:09] <bendailey> ok about ports changing?
[06:10] <Mersault> The frontend claims it can't reach the master backend, but the IP and port listed are the correct ones, and I can telnet to that port and something is listening
[06:10] <Daviey> bendailey: ah yes, i saw that on the ML
[06:10] <laga> Mersault: when?
[06:10] <Mersault> I was playing with it last night
[06:10] <laga> Mersault: are you asked to enter a PIN or something?
[06:10] <Mersault> nope
[06:10] <laga> the new autodiscovery code might you trouble.
[06:11] <laga> +give
[06:11] <bendailey> Mersault: try mythfrontend -d
[06:11] <Mersault> at first it was a port mismatch, but that's been corrected
[06:11] <chuk> laga - I have that problem, get asked to enter pin
[06:11] <chuk> I just choose don't connect, and it starts up
[06:11] <bendailey> -d disables the new autodiscovery code
[06:12] <chuk> what is it supposed to do?
[06:12] <chuk> (other than autodiscover)
[06:12] <Mersault> hmm... where do I find the xsession file?
[06:13] <Mersault> laga: check this out: http://pastebin.ca/706045
[06:14] <Mersault> I just logged in remotely and ran an upgrade, then another one. See how the frontend is listed again?
[06:14] <laga> bendailey: not in the weekly builds right now
[06:15] <laga> Mersault: interesting. i had a similar problem with ubuntu-kernel-modules when i built it locally. i have no idea how to fix that, though
[06:15] <bendailey> laga: sorry I compile svn myself
[06:15] <laga> maybe it'll just vanish after the next weekly build :)
[06:15] <Mersault> lets hope so.
[06:16] <Mersault> alright, found the xsession file and added the -d switch
[06:16] <laga> 18:01 < laga> bendailey: not in the weekly builds right now
[06:17] <Mersault> oh, check out this when I try and install themes:
[06:17] <Mersault> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:17] <Mersault>   mythtv-themes: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.20.99+trunk14393-0.0ubuntu0~ppa1) but 0.20.99+trunk14495-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu2 is to be installed
[06:17] <Mersault> E: Broken packages
[06:17] <laga> huh?
[06:17] <chuk> I got that too
[06:17] <laga> i thought i had fixed that
[06:17] <laga> alright, i'll upload a new weekly build right now.
[06:17] <Mersault> whoo!
[06:18] <laga> the mythtv-themes problem is fixed, AFAIK, but it may not have been committed...
[06:18] <laga> btw, you'll get some experimental logging stuff for mythfrontend in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend. please let me know how it works for you
[06:19] <Mersault> oh excellent, I want some detailed logs from mythfrontend. I've had problems with scanning my music library in mythmusic and I want to know which file causes it to hang
[06:20] <laga> i'd have tested it myself, but i'm having problems with virtualbox
[06:22] <Mersault> for some reason, the audio from my frontend got all scratchy after the upgrade too
[06:22] <Mersault> but even from mocp...
[06:22] <laga> moc?
[06:22] <laga> mocp*
[06:22] <Mersault> command line music player
[06:22] <laga> ah
[06:23] <Mersault> which shouldn't go through any myth stuff, and I don't recall seeing any kernel updates, so the sound driver hasn't changed....
[06:23] <Mersault> it's all very weird
[06:24] <laga> that's always sad :(
[06:24] <Mersault> I gotta learn to stop while I'm still getting head
[06:24] <Mersault> er, while I'm still ahead
[06:25] <laga> yeah, don't waste a head start
[06:25] <laga> in a relationship
[06:28] <Mersault> anyway, gotta get back to work. can you msg me when the new build is up?
[06:28] <tgm4883> hey if I wanted to swich 2 tuners between 2 backends would the correct method be...delete each tuner, then switch then readd?
[06:29] <laga> Mersault: will do
[06:29] <Mersault> thanks.
[06:29] <[_Trimble_] > sigh... still working on ir blaster for my pvr150 :(
[06:32] <chuk> tgm - I often have trouble if I just switch some of my tuners
[06:32] <chuk> I do a "delete all"
[06:32] <chuk> then re-add them all
[06:34] <tgm4883> ok
[06:34] <tgm4883> i should have to only do this once
[06:34] <tgm4883> i'm getting smarter by the day
[06:47] <[_Trimble_] > every time i try to put lirc_pvr150 into my modules line in etc/lirc/hardware.conf, it kills my machine :(  just wont start up.
[06:47] <[_Trimble_] > I'm wondering if I have to do something (compile?) to make lirc_pvr150 valid on my (gutsy) machine
[06:58] <deffcon> he guys is the gnome-screensaver bug already been resolved
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> why?
[06:59] <deffcon> because when i'm watching tv or something else after a few minutes my screen turns black and my remote doesn't do anything with any buttons
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, well you need to turn off gnome screensaver then.
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> being resolved would indicate that it's fixed in the next release
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> which we are waiting to see if it is fixed upstream
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> before we do something about it
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> I can tell you how to turn it off though
[07:01] <deffcon> please tgm4883
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, you need to go into the control centre and open the terminal
[07:01] <deffcon> ok
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> sec while i look up the commands
[07:02] <deffcon> ok
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> in the terminal do
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> ssh localhost -X -luser
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> where user is your main user
[07:03] <deffcon> -X -l
[07:03] <deffcon> ?
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> then do gnome-screensaver-preferences
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:05] <deffcon> yep i hope this will do it
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> worked for me
[07:05] <deffcon> tnx a lot tgm4883
[07:06] <laga> "OK, we'll sleep for 2 hours now because the orig.tar.gz take some time to be published
[07:06] <laga> "
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[07:06] <laga> there's something wrong if i have to put stuff loike this in a script
[07:06] <deffcon> is there something gonna be published
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> about this?
[07:07] <laga> deffcon: new trunk builds by tomorrow, hopefully
[07:08] <deffcon> laga : cool
[07:22] <[_Trimble_] > this is driving me nuts
[07:23] <[_Trimble_] > freakin irblaster for pvr150... grrr
[07:23] <laga> ny gamepad is no worky in ppracer and trigger. :/
[07:23] <[_Trimble_] > at least i'm not breaking it.. the remote keeps working when i back out changes
[07:24] <laga> heh
[07:42] <[_Trimble_] > maybe  i just need to totally remove lirc and start over.  how do i do that.. :/
[07:46] <[_Trimble_] > when i try to remove lirc, it says it also wants to remove mythbuntu-control-centre, mythbuntu-desktop and mythbuntu-lirc-generator ... something tells me i dont want to remove those
[07:48] <hendrixski> ??? would those be listed as dependencies to lirc?
[07:48] <[_Trimble_] > apparently
[07:49] <[_Trimble_] > or are those dependant on lirc?
[07:49] <hendrixski> ah, right probably the latter
[07:51] <hendrixski> but now, nothing in mythtv actually depends on those things running
[07:51] <hendrixski> They're just helpers from what I understand?
[07:52] <hendrixski> :-/ I really gotta install gutsy and check this stuff out for myself
[07:53] <tgm4883> well the control centre probably depends on lirc, and mythbuntu desktop probably depends on the control centre
[07:53] <tgm4883> theres a pretty easy way to find out
[07:53] <hendrixski> apt-cache show mythbuntu-whatever
[07:53] <[_Trimble_] > so, i can't remove lirc without removing half the setup system?
[07:54] <[_Trimble_] > that makes me nervous
[07:54] <tgm4883> well not exactly
[07:54] <tgm4883> because the mythbuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[07:54] <hendrixski> oh
[07:55] <[_Trimble_] > the big problem i'm having right now is that if I put lirc_pvr150 into my hardware.conf, the thing wont' reboot, period.
[07:55] <[_Trimble_] > it dies.
[07:55] <[_Trimble_] > so, i suspect either lirc_pvr150 is bad, missing, or incorrect
[07:55] <[_Trimble_] > but i dont know how to check if it's bad or missing
[07:55] <[_Trimble_] > :(
[07:55] <tgm4883> it would be like trying to remove sound juicer and it telling you it was going to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:55] <tgm4883> sounds worse than it is
[07:55] <hendrixski> I know I asked this yesterday, but is there documentation on all this structure? 'cause I downloaded the control-centre debs and the new mythtv debs just to look through their source and all.. but didn't know those other things were involved
[07:56] <tgm4883> well what are you looking for?
[07:57] <hendrixski> technical specs and stuff
[07:57] <hendrixski> about how things work :-)
[07:57] <tgm4883> ah
[07:58] <[_Trimble_] > so, tgm, are you saying it's ok to remove lirc and reinstall it?
[07:58] <[_Trimble_] > im not sure i understand what you're getting at
[08:00] <tgm4883> well, you should be able to remove and reinstall lirc, but keep in mind that it will remove both the control-centre and the mythbuntu-desktop (metapackage).  So if you want to continue having the control-centre you will have to reinstall it, and if you want to prevent future breakage you will have to reinstall the mythbuntu desktop
[08:00] <tgm4883> hendrixski, I would talk to each parts dev to find out how it works.  That or just tear it apart
[08:00] <hendrixski> isn't it better for him to dpkg-reconfigure the lirc thing?
[08:01] <tgm4883> well he asked he if could safely remove and reinstall it
[08:01] <tgm4883> and as long as he stays with the package it's possible
[08:01] <tgm4883> but you are correct
[08:01] <[_Trimble_] > does the dpkg-reconfigure launch the thing wehre i select drivers?
[08:01] <[_Trimble_] > alraedy tried that.. doesn't seem to do anything
[08:01] <hendrixski> tgm4883, yeah... I just started a download on the ISO... I think I'll tear it apart and see for myselv
[08:01] <tgm4883> well thats one way to go I suppose
[08:02] <tgm4883> if your just looking for what depends on what you could check out ubuntu packages
[08:02] <hendrixski> tgm4883, I'm interested in that dpkg-diversion thing in the control centre's debian/preinst and how that works all aorund
[08:02] <hendrixski> I've not seen that in action before
[08:02] <tgm4883> ok
[08:06] <tgm4883> [_Trimble_] , you may want to do a purge when you remove lirc
[08:07] <tgm4883> Ubuntu Millenium Edition......
[08:07] <tgm4883> that has bad news all over it
[08:07] <[_Trimble_] > heh
[08:07] <[_Trimble_] > i'm going to keep poking at lirc before i remove it
[08:08] <[_Trimble_] > here is what is really frustrating me:  in the Install Lirc Gutsy document, it walks the user through all the setup, which all worked.. then it shows "
[08:09] <[_Trimble_] > "The following drivers have support for IR transmission:"... including lirc_pvr150 .. but nowhere above does it explain how to put lirc_pvr150 into use
[08:09] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[08:09] <[_Trimble_] > i keep reading to put it into hardware.conf, but everytime i do, the thing dies
[08:09] <Daviey> bendailey: bong
[08:10] <Mersault> laga: any news on the new weekly builds?
[08:10] <hendrixski> lol... not millenium edition
[08:11] <hendrixski> we were making a joke about jewbuntu vs. Muslim Edition in another channel... sorry that the name change showed up here as well
[08:12] <bendailey> I am working on the redirect script mysql tables and was wondering if you wanted files auto added to a table or if you want to do it through an adminstrative script?
[08:17] <Daviey> add files?
[08:18] <Daviey> currently it just redirects to file that was embedded within the original url
[08:18] <Daviey> Do you think it would be better to have a static list?
[08:19] <laga> Mersault: mythtv for gutsy is built
[08:19] <laga> Mersault: mythplugins will take a while because mythtv needs to publish first :/
[08:19] <bendailey> add files to a table for tracking
[08:19] <Mersault> laga: what about the feisty builds? I'm not running mythbuntu (had problems with the install)
[08:20] <bendailey> we can add them on demand the first time they are requested from a url or we can drop them into the table first
[08:20] <laga> Mersault: feisty builds will follow later, they'll be uploaded in one hour, 2 hours later they should be available. sorry for the delay, but PPas are a bit restricted
[08:21] <Mersault> not a problem.
[08:21] <Mersault> so about 2 hours?
[08:21] <Mersault> I wont be home for about two and a half, so it's not a big deal
[08:22] <laga> Mersault: i guess it'll be done by then. mythplugins might take a bit longer.
[08:22] <laga> god, i should resort to building them locally.
[08:23] <chuk> do they go to uk repos first?
[08:24] <laga> they go to the ppa first. dunno about mirrors
[08:24] <laga> Daviey knows about that
[08:26] <Daviey> chuk: Currentlythey sync every Sunday
[08:26] <Daviey> If you want it done before then, i can manually do it
[08:27] <chuk> nah, I can wait
[08:27] <laga> Daviey: can we have that every day?
[08:27] <laga> or every few hours or so?
[08:32] <laga> because i might have to upload builds in-between
[08:32] <laga> because of important fixes
[08:32] <laga> or because i feel like doing it
[08:32] <laga> :)
[08:34] <Daviey> laga: You know it is called "weekly builds" right?
[08:34] <Daviey> I don't think it's a good idea for users to be prompted every few hours that there is an update
[08:35] <Daviey> If there is an importiant update, i can manually invoke the update :)
[08:36] <laga> i wasn't talking about "every few hours". anyways, i'll bug you then
[08:36] <laga> it's good to know when the mirror script is run, though. thanks
[08:41] <laga> ffs.
[08:41] <laga> my panel keeps disappearing to my TV. :/
[08:48] <Daviey> The US repo, isn't cron'd - superm1 manually invokes it
[08:49] <laga> yes, i know that. the atrpms box does not support cron for his user
[08:49] <Daviey> strange it's beeen disabled
[08:49] <laga> Estimated archive size: 3.7 GiB
[08:49] <laga> ^^ hehe, that's the trunk ppa :)
[08:50] <Daviey> wtf!
[08:50] <laga> Daviey: well, on a multiuser box like that it'd make sense
[08:50] <laga> tbh, i don't know enough to make a multiuser box in linux. i'd be way too scared and resort to a BSD :)
[08:51] <Daviey> heh
[08:51] <Daviey> currently 593M here
[08:51] <Daviey> One thing that a base install does, that really shouldn't - is default permissions of /home/*
[08:52] <Daviey> any user can access, but not modify other users files
[08:52] <Daviey> *bad*
[08:53] <laga> that's changeable,. though. somewhere.
[08:53] <Daviey> yeah chmod 600 /home/*
[08:53] <Daviey> :)
[08:54] <laga> heh
[08:55] <laga> i'm running an apache setup with syscp <www.syscp.org> using php-fcgi with suexec for php. stuff like that just feels messy
[08:55] <laga> too bad that mod_php doesn't provide any real security
[08:55] <laga> This will spawn several processes that are executed in the context of the jail and cannot interact with anything else than other processes of the same jail or access anything in the filesystem above the jail's root (i.e. /usr/jail).
[08:55] <laga> oops, sorrxy
[08:55] <laga> last paste wasn't meant for this channel
[08:57] <foxbuntu_> bad laga
[08:57] <foxbuntu_> pasting info in the wrong window
[08:59] <laga> freebsd info, too :/
[08:59] <foxbuntu_> ewww
[09:00] <foxbuntu_> why would you forsake lord buntu?!?
[09:00] <foxbuntu_> that is a great sin in buntology!!
[09:00] <laga> don't ask
[09:04] <laga> why?
[09:05] <foxbuntu_> they are slow as hell and they screwed up my host
[09:06] <[_Trimble_] > awe, christ.. now what
[09:06] <[_Trimble_] > now my remote sends two keypresses instead of one.  wtf
[09:12] <laga> heh
[09:12] <laga> foxbuntu_: is this where you bought the 2.5TB package?
[09:12] <foxbuntu_> yes
[09:12] <foxbuntu_> the data is fine
[09:12] <foxbuntu_> and the link you made earlier will work
[09:13] <foxbuntu_> they just hosed by drupal
[09:13] <foxbuntu_> well..more like the SSL and DNS record
[09:28] <laga> it'd be so nice if code was working immediately
[09:28] <laga> without having to debug it
[09:29] <[_Trimble_] > ok, fixed my remote back to normal again.. still no blaster :(
[09:57] <tgm4883> heh, who was asking us to fill in our pictures for the wiki?
[09:58] <laga> for launchpad, AFAIK
[09:58] <laga> it was one of the daves
[09:58] <tgm4883> heh
[09:58] <tgm4883> I submit exibit one
[09:58] <tgm4883> http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews6/post/
[09:59] <laga> poor kid :/
[10:01] <foxbuntu_> lol
[10:02] <foxbuntu_> thats good tgm4883 that you?
[10:02] <tgm4883> heh
[10:02] <tgm4883> nope
[10:02] <tgm4883> I thought it was you foxbuntu :)
[10:04] <[_Trimble_] > i got a question for y'all
[10:05] <[_Trimble_] > how do i handle files and folders with spaces in their names?
[10:05] <tgm4883> "put these around it"
[10:05] <foxbuntu_> naw...I was a skinny little kid...and became a pudgy old man :P
[10:05] <foxbuntu_> lol
[10:05] <tgm4883> theres another method too, but thats what I do
[10:05] <[_Trimble_] > so, "nefarian\file server\files"  or nefarian\"file server"\files ?
[10:05] <tgm4883> I think the other method is \ followed by space
[10:05] <tgm4883> the first one
[10:06] <tgm4883> "" around the whole ting
[10:06] <tgm4883> so "/home/user/My Documents/really top secret stuff/"
[10:06] <foxbuntu_> yeah you can do this : file\ name/with\ spaces/
[10:06] <[_Trimble_] > i want to perma-mount my window's video directory to myth, but i've been using names like "File Server" which i couldn't figure out how to mount
[10:06] <foxbuntu_> I think thats it anyhow
[10:07] <tgm4883> or "/home/user/pictures/Survalliance pictures of foxbuntu/"
[10:07] <foxbuntu_> [_Trimble_] , simple soulution make your windows server a ubuntu server :)
[10:08] <[_Trimble_] > my windows server is my xp desktop machine
[10:08] <foxbuntu_> or perhaps "usr/share/bad gay midget porno starring tgm4883"
[10:08] <laga> guys. SRSLY.
[10:08] <[_Trimble_] > oh, where can I get that video?
[10:08] <[_Trimble_] > lawlz
[10:08] <foxbuntu_> sry laga
[10:09] <tgm4883> arg, amarok is freaking out
[10:09] <tgm4883> wow
[10:10] <laga> foxbuntu_: ah . when you're bored, you think of "midget porno"? :)
[10:10] <foxbuntu_> lol...well funny thing is that was a topic at my quaterly team meet yesterday
[10:11] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, that was crazy
[10:11] <laga> where exactly o you work? :)
[10:11] <foxbuntu_> the entire team I work with is a walking HR Viloation
[10:11] <foxbuntu_> they keep us away from the normal office folk
[10:15] <[_Trimble_] > ok, am I not allowed to use quotes in fstab ?
[10:16] <tgm4883> perhaps not, I would try the other method
[10:17] <laga> If the name of the mount point contains spaces these can be escaped as \040.
[10:17] <laga> hum
[10:17] <[_Trimble_] > that did it
[10:17] <[_Trimble_] > :D
[10:18] <laga> i rock when it comes to reading man pages to others :)
[10:18] <[_Trimble_] > I could kiss you... but that'd be gay
[10:19] <[_Trimble_] > (i assume)
[10:21] <laga> o_O
[10:22] <Daviey> wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:23] <Daviey> Canonical are gonna provide a mirror!
[10:23] <Daviey> just had the ack
[10:25] <laga> yay.
[10:25] <bendailey> fantastic
[10:25] <foxbuntu_> awesome
[10:25] <foxbuntu_> thats alot of free bw
[10:25] <bendailey> Daviey: do you know of any restrictions?
[10:26] <Daviey> not yet
[10:26] <Daviey> Will know after the weekend
[10:26] <[_Trimble_] > ...so, i'm giving up on the irblaster for now.  i'm not going to have it done in time for this family reunion this weekend.  my incredible toy will be just a video player i guess, so i gotta link it to my video folders on all my machines.. heh
[10:27] <foxbuntu_> [_Trimble_] , what kind of TV singnal do you get?
[10:27] <foxbuntu_> signal*
[10:27] <[_Trimble_] > ?
[10:27] <[_Trimble_] > ntsc from dish network receiver?
[10:28] <[_Trimble_] > but i can't get the ir blaster to change the dish's channels
[10:28] <[_Trimble_] > so recording is dead
[10:30] <laga> why is it that women can't STFU?
[10:31] <laga> you would think it's not hard
[10:31] <laga> but obviously, it is.
[10:33] <foxbuntu_> laga, what did you do to get in trouble now?
[10:34] <laga> oh, nothing.
[10:34] <laga> just the same old story.
[10:36] <foxbuntu_> lol
[10:36] <foxbuntu_> laga, are you married?
[10:36] <laga> no.
[10:36] <foxbuntu_> well...then stop complaining
[10:37] <foxbuntu_> I am...I tell you what..the nag'in gets 100% worse once you do
[10:38] <laga> foxbuntu_: i'd have murdered 100 people with a rusty fork then.
[10:38] <foxbuntu_> ..and my wife will admit that she nags me to death...but when she does its explained in such a way that it would seem its my fault
[10:39] <laga> heh.
[10:39] <laga> i've just deleted her from my contact list.
[10:40] <Daviey> tgm4883: you revamped the mythbuntu icons?
[10:41] <foxbuntu_> lmao
[10:41] <foxbuntu_> good work laga
[10:42] <tgm4883> I did?
[10:42] <Daviey> tgm4883: i guess not
[10:42] <Daviey> Who made the current mythbuntu logo?
[10:42] <Daviey> I made the old one, then somebody updated them
[10:42] <tgm4883> rogue780?
[10:43] <foxbuntu_> Me
[10:43] <Daviey> foxbuntu_: awesome... i might ask a favour soon :)
[10:43] <foxbuntu_> super...what is that?
[10:43] <laga> hopefully nothing involving midgets
[10:44] <Daviey> maybe..
[10:44] <foxbuntu_> :)
[10:49] <foxbuntu_> Daviey, sorry I am on the wrong account
[10:54] <superm1> what'd i miss?
[10:55] <foxbuntu> midget porn
[10:56] <foxbuntu> oops
[10:56] <superm1> oh canonical mirror?
[10:56] <superm1> wonderful
[10:56] <foxbuntu> yes indeed
[10:56] <foxbuntu> and my mirror is live now too
[10:57] <superm1> great!
[10:57] <superm1> well lots of good news all around
[10:57] <superm1> no i just need to hear that the new linux-ubuntu-modules cleared
[10:57] <superm1> and that we can do builds again
[10:57] <superm1> and i'm set
[10:58] <superm1> woah!
[10:58] <superm1> apt-get update/apt-get upgrade shows them!
[10:58] <superm1> hell yea
[10:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, I would just be happy with some non-retarded support staff at this hosting company
[10:59] <superm1> hey i dont want to hear anything negative the rest of the day.  since around midnight last night, nothing has gone wrong.
[11:00] <superm1> so if you start speaking negative i'm gonna kick you.
[11:00] <superm1> ;)
[11:00] <Daviey> superm1: looks like canonical will give us a full virtual machine
[11:00] <foxbuntu> superm1, I broke USplash in a commit...and overwrote the previous revs...also its back to strange colors
[11:00] <superm1> Daviey, neat.  so should we move the whole site there then maybe?
[11:01] <Daviey> so...... As that woould give us root, would it be woth mmigrating mythbuntu.org to it
[11:01] <superm1> well i think how about this
[11:01] <Daviey> sounds good
[11:01] <superm1> lets plan for it to just be a mirror right now, but prepare it to host the site
[11:01] <Daviey> ^
[11:01] <superm1> that way at the flip of a dns switch
[11:02] <superm1> we can just switch over to it if something happens to jumpkick's
[11:02] <Daviey> bet it's red
[11:02] <foxbuntu> nope....DNS switches are Green
[11:02] <superm1> i pictured it being blue actually
[11:02] <foxbuntu> uh oh..they are RGB based
[11:03] <laga> i think of them as those huge, red emergency buttons you slam down with the palm of your hand
[11:03] <laga> and sirens.
[11:03] <laga> yes, sirens.
[11:03] <superm1> well but that's not something you flip
[11:04] <superm1> a dns swtich is flipped
[11:04] <superm1> not pounded upon
[11:04] <Daviey> does it have a cover you need to flick off, before pressing?
[11:04] <laga> Daviey: no. it's only operated by highly trained people who need to switch DNS in an instant if needed.
[11:05] <laga> superm1: you could have lots of those switches to punch in combinations. eg 8 switches for 256 states
[11:05] <Daviey> I'm highly trained.. but i have fumbly fingers
[11:06] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:06] <foxbuntu> nerd humor
[11:06] <laga> rotfl, did you just say lol?
[11:07] <[_Trimble_] > superm1 - this irblaster thing is killing me... i have to give up on it for now
[11:07] <superm1> [_Trimble_] , still no luck huh?
[11:08] <superm1> laga, have you built a disk with the new linux-ubuntu-modules in tact yet?
[11:08] <[_Trimble_] > no.  no luck.  i made it worse at one point - had the damned remote pretting buttons twice in myth for each remote press...
[11:08] <superm1> or am i doing the first one?
[11:08] <[_Trimble_] > you'llprobably want me to file that as a bug
[11:08] <[_Trimble_] > but no blaster :(
[11:08] <laga> superm1: i *should* have one, but it didn't really boot here. you should try to make your own build.
[11:09] <superm1> god i love this build process: 0 upgraded, 586 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:09] <superm1> Need to get 34.1MB/282MB of archives.
[11:09] <superm1> After unpacking 879MB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:10] <[_Trimble_] > nice
[11:10] <[_Trimble_] > lol
[11:10] <laga> (again)
[11:10] <superm1> what broke now?
[11:10] <laga> nothing
[11:10] <superm1> oh btw do i need to pound the switch on atrpms?
[11:10] <superm1> any time soon?
[11:10] <laga> just turning stuff into functions
[11:11] <laga> what switch?
[11:11] <superm1> the sync me from ppa.launchpad.net switch
[11:11] <superm1> well i guess its more of a button
[11:11] <laga> in a few hours maybe
[11:11] <laga> true
[11:11] <laga> wait. is canonical really giving out virtual machines with full root access?
[11:12] <superm1> sounds like the ideal way to go
[11:12] <superm1> i think we should do the builds on that box then
[11:12] <superm1> and have it push to all mirrors
[11:12] <laga> yup
[11:13] <Daviey> S1 was better IMO
[11:13] <laga> would be cool if buildd support in falcon was ready by then
[11:13] <laga> superm1: no more PPAs then?
[11:13] <superm1> laga, no i mean ISO builds
[11:13] <laga> superm1: ah, right
[11:13] <superm1> at least the i386 ones
[11:13] <laga> why not the amd64 ones?
[11:14] <superm1> well is this going to be an amd64 virtual machine?
[11:14] <superm1> you need to build the amd64 ones on amd64
[11:14] <laga> !
[11:14] <laga> ah, right.
[11:14] <laga> you can deboostrap amd64 on i386, but you have to step configuration
[11:15] <laga> err, skip
[11:15] <superm1> well you can't chroot though
[11:15] <superm1> and that is how everything is done
[11:15] <laga> right
[11:15] <superm1> now the other way around is doable
[11:15] <superm1> if we get an amd64 vm
[11:15] <superm1> you can chroot into both
[11:15] <laga> that'd be cool
[11:15] <superm1> Daviey, can you see if they can make that happen?
[11:15] <superm1> i'm imagining they have vmware esx server setup
[11:16] <Daviey> sounds like it
[11:16] <Daviey> canonical admin is gonna let me know info after the weekend
[11:16] <laga> or xen
[11:17] <Daviey> superm1: The new UK mirror has more bandwidth than you can shake a stick at eh?
[11:18] <superm1> Daviey, that's what i like to hear
[11:18] <Daviey> 100Mb/s and if requird upto 6-700Mb/s!
[11:18] <superm1> well the new builds aren't signing cd repository properly still
[11:18] <laga> nice
[11:18] <superm1> i'll have to massage that a bit more it looks like
[11:18] <tgm4883> oh I love automated answering machines
[11:19] <laga> hmm, massages
[11:19] <laga> superm1: shouldn't the Cd be trusted automatically? /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom
[11:19] <laga> that's on my normal gutsy box, though
[11:19] <superm1> doesn't exist on my gutsy box
[11:19] <superm1> what's in it?
[11:20] <laga> APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
[11:20] <superm1> i like it.
[11:20] <Daviey> it's on my gutsy box
[11:20] <laga> i installed using tribe 5
[11:20] <superm1> must have been introduced later
[11:20] <superm1> this is a dist-upgrade from feisty
[11:20] <superm1> its not on the mythbuntu builds though either
[11:21] <superm1> wonder where it came from then?
[11:21] <laga> moment
[11:21] <Daviey> There is a tool that can tell you which packages provides files, but i can't remember how
[11:21] <superm1> apt-file search
[11:21] <superm1> i tried it
[11:21] <superm1> didn't find that file
[11:22] <Daviey> hmm, must be dynamically created
[11:22] <superm1> by what though?
[11:22] <laga> right
[11:22] <laga> :/
[11:23] <laga> ah ffs, let's just create it ourselves.
[11:24] <tgm4883> "let me give you our 1-800 number.....1-866....."
[11:24] <superm1> okay done
[11:24] <superm1> i'll push that back up
[11:24] <tgm4883> and then they insist on hanging up on me
[11:24] <tgm4883> 2nd time today
[11:24] <tgm4883> I think it's time to go home
[11:25] <superm1> okay thats in revno 18 of mythbuntu-livedisk.  i'll try to do one more build really quick, but i need to get ready for work tonight
[11:27] <Daviey> work eh?
[11:27] <Daviey> What job is this?
[11:28] <laga> superm1: did it actually boot?
[11:28] <laga> the first one i mean
[11:29] <tgm4883> I'm a consultant for a few companies and i'm on the phone with our cell company
[11:30] <superm1> laga, i canceled it after i saw the GPG stuff not working
[11:30] <tgm4883> OMG
[11:31] <tgm4883> trying...to....not....blow....vein.....in.....forward
[11:31] <tgm4883> forhead
[11:32] <tgm4883> i have a migrane
[11:32] <superm1> over me canceling a build?
[11:32] <tgm4883> no
[11:32] <superm1> phew
[11:33] <tgm4883> over this dumb lady on the phone
[11:33] <laga> i need to learn the difference between $0 and $1 in bash.
[11:33] <laga> right now, we'd end up with lots of packages with "generate_source_packages.sh" in their name
[11:34] <tgm4883> WTF
[11:34] <superm1> $0 is the script name you call
[11:34] <superm1> $1 is the first argument
[11:34] <tgm4883> I am starting to see why some people go postal
[11:35] <laga> superm1: oh really. :)
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #83884 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mythfrontend crashes after MythMusic completes a music database scan" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83884
[11:36] <laga> tgm4883: stop acting like you're on the phone with my GF.
[11:36] <tgm4883> lol
[11:36] <tgm4883> she doesn't work for sprint/nextel does she
[11:37] <superm1> i hate dealing with the nextel 611 number too.
[11:37] <superm1> it's always a pia
[11:37] <tgm4883> superm1, it's worse than that
[11:37] <tgm4883> I have sprint, so I have to call sprint first then get transfered to nextel
[11:37] <tgm4883> and now they transfered to boost mobile
[11:37] <superm1> man what a mess
[11:38] <tgm4883> all i want is a frickin repeater for our nextel service
[11:38] <tgm4883> I think i made the mistake of saying i want to boost my signal
[11:38] <tgm4883> so now im in boost mobile wait land
[11:42] <ubotu> New bug: #119119 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crash (dup-of: 119055)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119119
[11:42] <tgm4883> hey, in the guide, I can just link them to http://mythbuntu.org/download/getmythbuntu.php and it will still count in google analytics right?  I dont have to send people to the existing-ubuntu page first?
[11:42] <superm1> right
[11:42] <superm1> just add that image in and tell them to click it
[11:43] <tgm4883> this lady makes me want to eat a bullet
[11:44] <tgm4883> are you planning on this being in the community documentation or on the mythbuntu website?
[11:44] <superm1> community documentation for now
[11:44] <tgm4883> ok
[11:44] <laga> superm1: i prolly asked before but i forgot your answer. should i add weekly builds for the themes for fixes as well. maybe monthly builds.
[11:45] <superm1> laga, only if there are themes grabbable
[11:45] <superm1> i thought those were trunk only
[11:45] <superm1> gotta run though
[11:45] <superm1> night all
[11:45] <laga> no, the regular themes are in svn, too.
[11:45] <laga> night
[11:47] <tgm4883> err, is the backend log still /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend.log?
[11:47] <tgm4883> mythbackend.log i mean
[11:48] <laga> yes
[11:48] <laga> soon, there'll be a frontend log
[11:49] <laga>  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[11:49] <laga> and /var/log/mythtv/mythwelcome.log if applicable
[11:49] <tgm4883> ok
[11:49] <tgm4883> is there a default log level?
[11:49] <laga> that's only in the trunk builds right now
[11:49] <tgm4883> I've had my backend crash a couple times today
[11:49] <tgm4883> and the only thing in my log is
[11:49] <laga> ah
[11:50] <laga> i thought you were asking because of the docs
[11:50] <tgm4883> the priming of the firewire
[11:50] <tgm4883> heh
[11:50] <tgm4883> nope
[11:50] <laga> you need to set the log level in the init script, prolly
[11:50] <tgm4883> ok
[11:50] <tgm4883> but thats seriously a low level of logging.  Is that default?
[11:50] <laga> afaik yes
[11:50] <laga> see /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[11:51] <laga> sigh, jconfig for the frontend is in /etc/mythtv/
[11:51] <laga> and changing that properly is gonna take a bit of work.
[11:52] <tgm4883> eh
[11:52] <tgm4883> it's not that important
[11:52] <laga> was just ranting
[11:52] <tgm4883> as im changing out my firewire tuner to the other comptuer
[12:02] <Mersault> laga: have the feisty packages hit the repo?
[12:05] <laga> Mersault: i think so
[12:05] <laga> except for mythplugins
[12:07] <Mersault> what's the version for the new packages?
[12:08] <Mersault> 0.20.99+trunk14495-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu2 is what I have as of an apt-get update about 60 seconds ago
[12:08] <laga> it's 145 something
[12:08] <laga> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Emythbuntu-trunk/+archive
[12:08] <Mersault> poop
[12:08] <laga> ^^ bookmark this link :)
[12:10] <mattb> hmm, seems there is no plugin to watch you tube?
[12:11] <Mersault> okay, it says three hours ago, but the packages I have are still out of date. so, how long does it take to go from the PPA to the repo?
[12:12] <laga> are you using a mirror or the ppa directly?
[12:12] <Daviey> Mersault: I'll resync them to the UK mirror now
[12:12] <laga> mattb: write one or wait for 0.21. there'll be limited youtube support - you'll have to use mythbrowser
[12:12] <laga> Daviey: thanks
[12:12] <Mersault> I used the US mirror from the mythbuntu website. Found the info on what to put in my sources.list to get them dircetly
[12:13] <mattb> laga: ok, might be a nice weekend project...
[12:14] <laga> mattb: someone posted python bindings for mythtv on the mythtv-dev mailing list
[12:14] <Mersault> deb     http://ppa.launchpad.net/laga/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[12:14] <Mersault> right?
[12:14] <laga> Mersault: no.
[12:14] <mattb> laga: just saw them, those + clive should make it fairly easy to actually play
[12:14] <Daviey> Mersault laga: sycn'd
[12:14] <mattb> I guess the hard bit is coming up with a decent interface
[12:15] <laga> mattb: let me know how it the paython bindings work for you (or just post to the mailing list)
[12:15] <laga> Mersault: subsitite "laga" with "mythbuntu-trunk"
[12:15] <laga> substitute*
[12:16] <Mersault> alright
[12:16] <laga> oh well. if i write functions in a shell script and call them, do i need to have the funtions _before_ the calls?
[12:18] <Daviey> laga: I'm pretty sure you do
[12:18] <Mersault> how would I go about importing a new gpg key for you packages?
[12:18] <Daviey> Mersault: listed on the mythbuntu page
[12:18] <Mersault> I grabbed that one already
[12:18] <Mersault> apparently these ones are different?
[12:18] <laga> Mersault: the packages on the ppa cant be signed. we sign them on the mirrors.
[12:18] <Mersault> ah
[12:19] <laga> Daviey: thanks
[12:19] <Daviey>     wget http://mythbuntu.org/files/EEED06D0.gpg && sudo apt-key add EEED06D0.gpg && rm EEED06D0.gpg
[12:20] <Mersault> well, let's see if this worked....
[12:20] <Mersault> rebooting frontend now
[12:20] <Daviey> Mersault: the UK mirror is as current as the PPA, but the packages are properly signed
[12:23] <ubotu> New bug: #58155 in mythtv (multiverse) "errors loading packages (dup-of: 41339)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58155
[12:25] <laga> launchpad janitors are busy tonight.
[12:25] <laga> Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in nine minutes.
[12:25] <laga> bah
[12:28] <Mersault> laga: same problem, the frontend still wants to upgrade
[12:29] <laga> o_O
[12:29] <laga> :/
[12:29] <laga> can you pastebin apt-cache show ubuntu-mythtv-frontend ?
[12:29] <laga> that's the affected package, right?
[12:29] <Mersault> heh, sorry to 'cause you to go grey so soon
[12:29] <Mersault> yes
[12:29] <laga> heh
[12:31] <Mersault> man, pastebin.ca is slow...
[12:32] <laga> mattb: do you know python well?
[12:32] <mattb> yep
[12:34] <laga> mattb: you wouldn't want, by any chance, to help us port mythbuntu-control-centre over to the mythtv python bindings? :) just a question
[12:34] <mattb> I don't think i have the time to commit to anything like that atm sorry
[12:34] <Mersault> laga: http://pastebin.com/d527a1983
[12:34] <mattb> but I am going to have a play with the python plugin stuff tommorrow
[12:36] <tgm4883> sweet, im 122% done installing gutsy
[12:37] <laga> mattb: oh, well. we'll be doing it for next cycle, not now. guess we'll see you around if you have time
[12:38] <mattb> :)
[12:38] <mattb> off to bed now, no doubt I'll be back tommorrow, cheers.
[12:40] <laga> oh how i love that
[12:40] <laga> put my frontend back together, put it in the bed room
[12:40] <laga> now it won't boot
[12:40] <laga> and there's no VGA without opening it first
[12:41] <Mersault> so, any ideas why my frontend wont work?
[12:41] <laga> Mersault: do you have any idea why it's listed twice?
[12:42] <laga> Mersault: uh, is it completely broken?
[12:42] <Mersault> I can't make it work
[12:42] <laga> uh
[12:42] <laga> more specific?
[12:42] <laga> it's 12:30 AM here :)
[12:43] <laga> time for beer!
[12:43] <laga> yay.
[12:43] <Mersault> alright, when I reboot and the xsession kicks it, it can't find the backend.
[12:43] <laga> great, launchpad janitors just closed lots of bugs which shouldn't have been closed. looks like that's the cause for maintenance downtime
[12:43] <Mersault> I've removed the local backend, so it's just the remote master
[12:43] <laga> Mersault: post error message?
[12:44] <Mersault> just the usual can't find a backend error in that search page
[12:44] <laga> Mersault: /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log most likely
[12:44] <laga> "search"?
[12:44] <Mersault> nothing
[12:44] <laga> what search page?
[12:44] <Mersault> I put the -d switch in the startmythfrontend.sh script
[12:45] <Mersault> er, search screen.
[12:45] <laga> for the autodiscovery?
[12:45] <Mersault> yes
[12:45] <Mersault> I'm unfamiliar with it, but it can't find my backend
[12:45] <laga> it uses multicast to find backends, afaik.
[12:45] <laga> let's see.
[12:46] <laga> flood:
[12:46] <laga> On Friday 14 September 2007 07:25:03 Nigel Pearson wrote:
[12:46] <laga> > > 5) One of my clients seemed to not AutoDiscover any backend,
[12:46] <laga> > > but I have no idea why. Maybe need -v upnp in new code?
[12:46] <laga> The autodiscovery uses multicast. I had a problem with a NIC driver where
[12:46] <laga> multicast was disabled by default.
[12:46] <laga> Try a multicast ping to see if it is a NIC driver issue.
[12:46] <laga> ping -c 2 224.0.0.1
[12:47] <frink_> why do none of the OSX frontends work?
[12:47] <Mersault> two sent, two received, and two duplicates
[12:47] <Mersault> on both the backend and the frontend
[12:47] <laga> duplicates?
[12:48] <laga> interestingly enough, that ping command doesnt yield anything
[12:48] <laga> here
[12:48] <Mersault> 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, +2 duplicates, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
[12:48] <laga> hum
[12:48] <laga> Mersault: is upnp enabled on your backend?
[12:49] <Mersault> hmm... I don't remember either enabling or disabling it
[12:49] <Mersault> so, what's the default?
[12:50] <laga> default is enabled afaik
[12:50] <laga> you better check there
[12:50] <Mersault> best way to verify?
[12:50] <laga> check the settings?
[12:50] <Mersault> I have phpmyadmin installed, so I can do direct db searches
[12:50] <Mersault> assuming the setting is stored there
[12:50] <laga> btw, you should be able to select "don't connect to the backend" in that search screen and hit "ok"
[12:51] <laga> yes, it's stored there
[12:51] <Mersault> then it just dumps me to the desktop
[12:51] <laga> o_O
[12:51] <Mersault> there's a mythfrontend.re process, but nothing on screen
[12:51] <laga> it used to start the frontend here.
[12:53] <Mersault> alright, so I just rebooted the machine, this time there wasn't even the autodiscover screen
[12:53] <Mersault> just the desktop
[12:53] <Mersault> there's nothing in the log file
[12:53] <Mersault> at all
[12:53] <Mersault> it exists (and I'd removed it before I rebooted), but it's empty
[12:54] <laga> you can start the frontend manually, in a terminal?
[12:54] <Mersault> just a minute
[12:55] <laga> i just almost uploaded my private trunk packages to the regular mythbuntu ppa :/
[01:00] <Mersault> alright, so it works from my regular (non-mythtv) user account
[01:00] <laga> what exactly works? auto discovery?
[01:00] <Mersault> is it the -d switch that turns off auto-discover?
[01:01] <Mersault> I launched it with auto-discover
[01:01] <Mersault> and after clicking okay it loaded up
[01:01] <Mersault> if I add -d, it hangs
[01:01] <laga> -p or --prompt                 Always prompt for Mythbackend selection.
[01:01] <laga> -d or --disable-autodiscovery  Never prompt for Mythbackend selection.
[01:01] <laga> odd.
[01:03] <Mersault> http://pastebin.com/d5794d08c
[01:04] <laga> "2007-09-21 19:01:56.723 Cannot connect to port 6543 on database host mythbackend"
[01:04] <laga> is "mythacbekdn" a valid host name on your network?
[01:04] <Mersault> yes
[01:04] <laga> err, mythbackend.
[01:04] <laga> :)
[01:05] <Mersault> PING mythbackend.musicalmachine.net (192.168.1.40) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:05] <laga> does it work with -d on your regular session?
[01:05] <Mersault> that is the output from my regular user
[01:05] <laga> !
[01:05] <laga> did you run startmythtv.sh?
[01:06] <laga> it shouldn't log to mythbackend.log otherwise
[01:06] <Mersault> I redirected the output
[01:06] <laga> ah
[01:06] <laga> good. :)
[01:06] <Mersault> mythfrontend > /var/log/mythtv/ etc
[01:06] <Mersault> 2>&1
[01:07] <laga> so it's broken with -d everywehere, it works without -d in your normal session and it breaks without -d in your mythtv session, too. correct?
[01:07] <Mersault> root@sixball:~# telnet mythbackend 6543
[01:07] <Mersault> Trying 192.168.1.40...
[01:07] <Mersault> Connected to mythbackend.musicalmachine.net.
[01:07] <Mersault> Escape character is '^] '.
[01:07] <laga> Mersault: btw, you can use mythfrontend -l logfile.log
[01:07] <Mersault> meh, I'm familiar with redirecting output
[01:08] <Mersault> but by the telnet there's clearly something listening on port 6543 at mythbackend from sixball (the frontend)
[01:08] <laga> yup
[01:09] <Mersault> so, I removed the -d from the startmythfrontend.sh
[01:09] <Mersault> or whatever that file is
[01:09] <Mersault> and logged in as the mythtv user
[01:09] <Mersault> after the auto-discovery screen, I click okay because it can'
[01:10] <Mersault> t find the backend, and it dumps me to the desktop
[01:10] <Mersault> root@sixball:~# ps -A | grep myth
[01:10] <Mersault>  5335 ?        00:00:10 mythfrontend.re
[01:11] <laga> can you bring it to foreground, using alt+tab maybe
[01:11] <Mersault> nope
[01:11] <laga> this sucks.
[01:12] <laga> can you bring up a terminal in a mythtv session?
[01:12] <laga> and start the frontend from there?
[01:12] <Mersault> I think I'd have to kill this mythfrontend.real app, wouldn't I?
[01:13] <Mersault> and since that is part of the xsession, doing so logs me out
[01:14] <laga> you can have two frontends
[01:18] <laga> let's see what i did to startmythtv.sh
[01:20] <Mersault> alright, so this is strange
[01:20] <Mersault> from the mythtv user it will do the auto-discover thing, and then dump me back to the desktop
[01:20] <laga> did you start it from a terminal?
[01:21] <Mersault> now, I'd manually set the port before, so I deleted the .mythtv directory, and re-ran it hoping to recreate the files
[01:22] <Mersault> I'm going to deal with this tomorrow
[01:22] <Mersault> I have friends over now
[01:22] <laga> alright.
[01:23] <laga> ping me if you want to work on this
[01:23] <laga> i'll be back here in 11 hours
[01:23] <Mersault> will you be around tomorrow?
[01:23] <Mersault> 11 hours? perfect.
[01:23] <Mersault> I'll be 14 most likely
[01:23] <laga> more or less.
[01:23] <Mersault> thanks!
[01:23] <laga> gotta sleep and maybe run some errands
[01:24] <Mersault> cheers folks!