[12:52] <ScottK> toma: Yes.  It's a new "Feature" of Launchpad.
[12:53] <toma> ScottK: wow. when i would suggest that for kde, i would have been kicked out of the project ;-)
[12:54] <toma> i wont attack you, i was just surprised
[12:54] <ScottK> I already duked it out with sabfl today over the LP U/I changes, so I'm not going to do it again.
[12:55] <toma> is there an announcement somewhere with the thought behind it?
[12:56] <ScottK> It's in the LP 1.1.9 release notes.  That's all I saw.
[12:56] <toma> okay thnxs for the info
[01:00] <coreymon77> fucking hell!!!
[01:00] <coreymon77> i finally complete the report...again! and guess what happens
[01:00] <toma> hey, hey, !language
[01:01] <coreymon77> now the authentication database (logging in) doesnt work and i cant edit, causing me to loose my work again and have to start over
[01:01] <coreymon77> again!
[01:01] <coreymon77> ScottK: this is unbelieveable
[01:03] <ScottK> This is because our ever reliable Launchpad is down for maintenance right now.
[01:04] <ScottK> coreymon77: For future reference, write such stuff in an editor and then copy/paste it into the wiki.
[01:07] <ScottK> Heh.
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu can't stray away from the base, system packages offered by ubuntu can it?
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> like, to provide better 32 bit support
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> *64 bit
[02:28] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: not really since they are mostly restricted apps that dont work for 64bit
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> well, I mean, at least install a 32 bit firefox?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: most of the apps in main updates are fine with 64 its things like flash java and so on
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> and some 32 bit libs
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> exactly.
[02:29] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: nspluginwrapper will allow you to use java flash and so on with 64bit ff
[02:29] <gnomefreak> gnash in gutsy rocks too much better than it was
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> nspluginwrapper isn't in the repositories...
[02:30] <gnomefreak> yes it is
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> (at least not in fiesty)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> not feisty no
[02:30] <gnomefreak> this is all gutsy support apps, asac really rocked on them
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> thats good!
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> i'm looking forward to some good 64 bit support.
[02:31] <gnomefreak> so when you upgrade to gutsy you will find a bit better 64 support (its not without issues though)
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> except there is still no tickless kernel for x86_64
[02:31] <gnomefreak> afaik there is
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> I have it installed on another partition
[02:31] <gnomefreak> i saw this being talked about today it was 386 and amd64 or 86_64
[02:32] <gnomefreak> cant remmeber
[02:32] <gnomefreak> i wanna say its with -12 but i missed most of the convo as i was a bit angry at that time
[03:15] <Jucato> hm... ok... ubuntu-resstricted-extras has msttcorefonts but kubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't.... bug or feature?
[04:27] <mluser> Not sure if this is just happening to me or someone else is experiencing it too, but in the last couple days when I run any application that needs sound a POP is heard comming from the audio card.
[04:28] <mluser> but sound continues to work fine
[04:31] <nixternal> Jucato: I think that the msttcorefonts are useless and unnecessary...truthfully there is no major reason for having them if you ask me
[04:31] <nixternal> mluser: no problems here with audio
[04:32] <mluser> nixternal: Ok.. thanks, I'm wondering if maybe its related to the new kernel
[04:32] <Jucato> nixternal: I don't mind not having them myself... I'm not a font guy. but I was thinking more of other users :)
[04:32] <Jucato> as for a reason... um.. consistency?
[04:32] <nixternal> why would anyone need them? to me it isn't as important as the audio/video codecs...
[04:32] <nixternal> bah, KDE is different than Gnome correct? :p
[04:33] <Jucato> but this goes more towards the Kubuntu is part-Ubuntu :P
[04:33] <Jucato> anyway, just wondering if it were a bug or a feature. more like a feature then :)
[04:34] <nixternal> who in here uses the msttcorefonts?
[04:34] <nixternal> ask in #kubuntu and see how many people use them, and then ask why
[04:35] <Jucato> too much work. nvm :)
[04:35] <nixternal> haha
[05:28] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know why synaptic doesn't have an apply-patches rule?
[05:28] <manchicken> That's just weird.
[05:31] <nixternal> becuz it isn't groovy?
[05:32] <manchicken> But it's gonna help fix the changelog issue :)
[05:46] <Jucato> because synaptic isn't groovy like nixternal? hm...
[05:47] <manchicken> I'm about 30 seconds from just stealing the RPackage class from synaptic.
[05:47] <manchicken> There wouldn't be any licensing issues on that, would there?
[05:47] <Jucato> um... wouldn't know... until now I don't know my basic Licensing stuff :(
[05:47] <manchicken> heh, gotta love the function `const char *RPackage::vendor()`.
[05:48] <manchicken> The full body of that method is `return "dunno";`
[05:48] <manchicken> heh
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it's gotta be redistributable, or under a free licnence, as it's in main...
[05:57] <manchicken> Grr... just not enough time to sort this one out.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: haha, nice
[05:58] <manchicken> We need some documentation on it.
[05:58] <Jucato> libapt-pkg-doc?
[05:58] <manchicken> nixternal: You want to be my favorite person in all of history?  Document libapt-front and libapt-pkg :)
[05:58] <Jucato> -front and -pkg...
[05:58] <nixternal> I am sure I could whip up something, but I think Jucato should learn how to do that :p
[05:58] <manchicken> Okay.
[05:58] <nixternal> haha
[05:59] <Jucato> I have no idea
[05:59] <nixternal> either do I :)
[05:59] <Jucato> I haven't even seen a single code of APT :)
[05:59] <manchicken> I want docs.  That library is such a CF, I don't know where to start half the time.
[05:59] <Jucato> CF?
[05:59] <nixternal> cluster fork
[05:59] <nixternal> but fork is a dirty dirty word
[05:59] <Jucato> see! I don't even know what that is!!
[06:00] <nixternal> Jucato: cluster fu*k, in other words, a huge mess
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you dont want to.
[06:00] <Jucato> isn't Kubuntu a fork of KDE? bwahahah!
[06:00] <nixternal> gahahahaha
[06:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there's an ubuntu team by that name, btw.
[06:00] <nixternal> ubuntu-cf?
[06:00] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to go to sleep.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:00] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:00] <Jucato> g'night manchicken! :)
[06:00] <manchicken> I'm too cranky to remain conscious for now.
[06:00] <nixternal> Hobbsee: does it stand for cluster fork?
[06:01] <manchicken> See you when I'm a little less pissed at all software.
[06:01] <nixternal> I stay pissed at software, it is kind of fun
[06:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clusterfuck
[06:01] <nixternal> gahahahahaha
[06:01] <Jucato> lol
[06:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no one emailed me about them, either.
[06:01] <nixternal> well i'll be damned
[06:02] <nixternal>  Do the impossible bugs get assigned to you? Does your significant other whisper ASM syntax to turn you on? Do you favor rm and killall and mkfs as solutions? Have you ever used a punch card? Welcome home.
[06:02] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[06:03] <nixternal> omg, the team icon freakin' rocks
[06:03] <nixternal> I want to join just to have that icon show up on my LP page :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hehe :D
[06:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it sounds very much like kurt and fabbio, too.
[06:03] <nixternal> fabbione is crazy
[06:03] <Hobbsee> true that.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> i thought kurt was more so, though.
[06:04] <nixternal> wth is the purpose of that team btw?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> amusement.
[06:04] <nixternal> oh
[06:04] <Hobbsee> and to take advantage of the cool icon.
[06:04] <nixternal> ya, I want that damn icon..it is great
[06:06] <nixternal> what I like is the ASM line...seeing as we are learning that now in our insane java course
[06:07] <nixternal> funny thing, the servers we are working on are all IBM..and people don't even know how to ssh into a machine to work on code...I can't stand stoopid people :)
[06:07] <nixternal> damn MySpace junkies!
[06:08] <nixternal> oh btw Hobbsee, if you make any new friends on MySpace from the Chicago land area, it could very well be my fault
[06:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: someone deleted my myspace.
[06:08] <nixternal> argh, that sucks
[06:08] <nixternal> hopefully that wasn't my fault
[06:08] <nixternal> although, I don't blame someone for doing so
[06:08] <nixternal> :)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:09] <Hobbsee> it was a *lovely* page!
[06:09] <nixternal> I think one time, I heard my video card call me a bastard for going to it
[06:10] <nixternal> you know, I was looking at taking the Ubuntu Certification Exam...and low and behold, it doesn't cover anything really technical from what I have read
[06:10] <nixternal> I mean, I don't get why LPIC 1 would be a prereq for the exam, seeing as the Ubuntu one mainly covers LP
[06:11] <nixternal> I just found out about LPIC 301...there is no way in hell I could even come close to passing that one
[06:11] <nixternal> I took both LPIC 1 exams twice, and both LPIC 2 exams twice...failed the first time around, and this was not even 2 years ago
[06:12] <nixternal> those exams were hard
[06:13] <nixternal> it asked me all kinds of RPM crap
[06:13] <Jucato> now if there were a KDE Certification Exam.. count me in!
[06:13] <nixternal> reiserfs, and other junk I had no clue about
[06:13] <nixternal> I don't even think I got half of the questions right the first go round either
[06:13] <Jucato> these certification stuff is more about system administration right? more fore system administraitors?
[06:13] <Jucato> um.. administrators
[06:14] <nixternal> usually, I do pretty good bs'ing my way through certification exams (ie. MCSE, CCNA)
[06:14] <nixternal> pretty much so, yes
[06:14] <Jucato> MSCE!?!? O.o
[06:14] <nixternal> ya, I remember when MCSE was the bomb
[06:14] <nixternal> we had to get it for a job back in the 90s
[06:14] <Jucato> no wonder you love Vista :)
[06:14] <nixternal> it bumped my pay out of the military an extra $15k a year
[06:15] <Jucato> but only because I never got a chance to use NT or 2000
[06:15] <nixternal> NT was a fun beast to admin back in the day
[06:16] <nixternal> when 2k came out, you seen the mcse pay drop $15k...hell high school kids were being hired on to do admin work
[06:16] <Jucato> heh
[06:16] <stdin> win2000 is just win98 with a new splash
[06:16] <nixternal> when I worked at AT&T, we had to get all of the Sun certifications, which were easy, except for the server/hardware certs, and the RHCE...which was a pita
[06:17] <nixternal> they used to do the RHCE certs like you were going for your CCIE...we had to do a lab, 200 written exams, 4 polygraphs, and 2 physicals
[06:17] <nixternal> :)
[06:18] <nixternal> AT&T was so evil...all of the opensource/free software we used and worked on, that never got contributed back
[06:18] <nixternal> I wonder why they have never gone after AT&T for GPL infringements
[06:19] <nixternal> only development certs I have seen are Oracle, DB stuff, and MCP or MCD
[06:20] <Jucato> I see
[06:20] <nixternal> well, there are C++ certs and what not, but they tend to be rather generic
[06:20] <nixternal> I know, because I am working towards a C++ cert and degree, as well as a Java cert and degree
[06:21] <manchicken> Boo, certs suck, boo.
[06:21] <nixternal> hehe
[06:21] <nixternal> most certs are useless, except for a select few
[06:21] <Jucato> would be nice for the resum :)
[06:21] <nixternal> Cisco certs are always good, a Foundstone security cert is really good to have, or at least it used to be
[06:21] <manchicken> Experience is better :)
[06:22] <nixternal> Sun hardware certs are awesome to have
[06:22] <manchicken> Hardware certs are different.
[06:22] <manchicken> I almost did the CCNA
[06:22] <nixternal> and the nice thing about paying $10k for their course, you get $5k in Sun hardware field manuals which will help you troubleshoot every error code that solaris and the sun firmware can spit at you
[06:23] <manchicken> Which is even nicer now that Solaris is Free Software.
[06:23] <nixternal> I did CCNA through CBT at AT&T with an HP :)
[06:23] <Jucato> hm.. me thought Solaris != OpenSolaris
[06:23] <nixternal> ya, me too
[06:23] <nixternal> I didn't know Solaris was free
[06:23] <manchicken> Solaris9 is CDL
[06:24] <nixternal> nice
[06:24] <manchicken> CPL*
[06:24] <nixternal> I didn't know that
[06:24] <Jucato> all I know is that OpenSolaris is shipping free CD's
[06:24] <nixternal> Commercial Driving License
[06:24] <Jucato> or was it a free DVD
[06:24] <manchicken> YEah.
[06:24] <Jucato> lol
[06:24] <manchicken> OpenSolaris is a full OS and such, I don't know about the full solaris9 distro.
[06:24] <manchicken> But I do know that the core of Solaris9 is CPL
[06:24] <nixternal> I haven't messed with Solaris in quite some time
[06:25] <nixternal> odd that CDE was my favorite DE for it as well
[06:25] <nixternal> I know that Solaris 8 had some funky DE that was horrid
[06:25] <nixternal> man, those were the Netscape days :)
[06:27] <nixternal> man, I know I tried the desktop solaris last year, and they had this nasty desktop environment that was java based..and it wasn't project looking glass
[06:27] <nixternal> it was so slow
[06:28] <Jucato> didn't they call it slowaris before? :)
[06:28] <nixternal> sounds about right
[06:28] <nixternal> solaris 2.6, 2.7, and 8 were pretty tight
[06:29] <nixternal> I had an Ultra 80 that I just loved..it was my favorite machine in the whole world
[06:29] <nixternal> now all I have is a E3500 that I bought on Craigslist for $250
[06:29] <nixternal> 4 cpus, 8gb of ram, and 5 9gb scsi drives
[06:29] <nixternal> looks like one of them mini fridges
[06:30] <manchicken> Where's mvo when you need him?
[06:30] <Jucato> hm.. I was supposed to ask mvo something about a month ago... and I forgot now...
[06:32] <manchicken> I'm totally stealing mvo's rpackage class.
[06:34] <nixternal> is it stealing if it is for free?
[06:36] <manchicken> Argh... stealing it isn't going to help much either.
[06:36] <manchicken> It's tied into synaptic.
[06:37] <nixternal> heh
[06:37] <nixternal> want some spaghetti with that code?
[06:37] <Jucato> but still I'm not at ease with trying to make everything cross-DE
[06:39] <manchicken> I should have had mvo explain this libapt to me at UDS Sevilla.
[06:40] <manchicken> But nooo, I decided to go after the adept kde4 port.
[06:41] <nixternal> heh
[06:41] <Jucato> are we at the point where adept is being inadept? :(
[06:42] <manchicken> To be honest, I think it's more libapt that's the problem.
[06:43] <Jucato> heh
[06:51] <Hobbsee> yay!  car starts now
[06:52] <Jucato> yay!
[06:52] <Jucato> road trip!
[06:52] <Hobbsee> nah.  just work later.
[06:52] <Jucato> aw... bummer
[07:43] <gustavonarea> Hello, I have a Toshiba Satellite laptop and the Kubuntu Tribe 5 CD doesn't work under this laptop, while Ubuntu Edgy does work. I'm getting this error: Try the "8139too" driver instead. I've added "brokenmodules=8139too" to the boot options and it doesn not work either. What should I do? I'm now downloading Ubuntu Tribe 5 to try it out too.
[08:19] <yuriy> bugs expire now? O_o
[08:21] <Jucato> hi yuriy! long time :)
[08:41] <yuriy> hey Jucato
[08:41] <yuriy> nice post on KDE
[08:41] <yuriy> a little too buzzword-ish for me, but it would make a good poster type thing
[08:42] <Jucato> hehe yeah I sort of intended it to be buzzwordish... sort of a first-time/one-time (read that nixternal) marketing stint for me :)
[08:42] <Jucato> thanks :)
[08:43] <yuriy> so i've also been learning c++/qt4
[08:43] <yuriy> by rewriting a project for class in it
[08:43] <Jucato> ooooh :)
[08:44] <yuriy> we were given java code and some things we had to add to it (it's a raytracer, pretty cool stuff)
[08:44] <yuriy> i took it and rewrote it in c++ before doing the actual hw
[08:44] <Jucato> hm... java... might be a nice opportunity to try out Jambi?
[08:45] <yuriy> i've got the first homework done, now i've decided to really jump in and try out threading
[08:45] <yuriy> which is killing me so far
[08:45] <yuriy> Jambi would be interesting, but not a challenge
[08:45] <Jucato> hahah
[08:46] <yuriy> I would definitely use it though if I was writing a program in java and had a choice of not using swing
[08:46] <Jucato> yeah I can imagine porting from Java to C++ is quite an adventure :)
[08:46] <yuriy> well porting wouldn't be hard
[08:46] <yuriy> but i basically didn't know c++ before
[08:46] <yuriy> primarily, no garbage collection
[08:46] <Jucato> yeah
[08:47] <n8k99> c++? no garbage collection
[08:47] <Jucato> I heard they might be considering implementing one in the next C++ standard
[08:47] <Jucato> n8k99: C++ itself doesn't have one
[08:47] <Jucato> but you can use libraries that implement it
[08:47] <n8k99> interesting
[08:47] <Jucato> perhaps garbage collection wasn't much of an issue back then...
[08:48] <yuriy> so you can't just go new this new that all the time like in sloppy java programming
[08:48] <n8k99> ah ha!
[08:48] <yuriy> which is good, gets you to put more thought into your code
[08:49] <Jucato> but Qt slightly has garbage collection (I think)
[08:49] <yuriy> hmm?
[08:49] <Jucato> does it? haven't gone into much detail yet :)
[08:49] <yuriy> not that i know of, but i haven't studied it much
[08:49] <n8k99> so jambi allow you to write Qt/KDE apps but in Java right?
[08:49] <Jucato> all I know it is if you new a child widget, those get automatically destroyed along w/ the parent
[08:49] <yuriy> and most of my stuff aren't QObjects
[08:50] <yuriy> n8k99: Qt, i don't think KDE
[08:50] <Jucato> n8k99: no KDE yet I think
[08:50] <yuriy> Jucato: oh yeah, that. but not for the non-gui part
[08:51] <Jucato> yep
[01:49] <fdoving> wow, with some tweaking powertop reports my estimated battery life time to 6.2 hours.
[02:41] <Jucato> nixternal_ does the dance again :)
[02:42] <fdoving> hmm.. in gutsy my screensaver is crazy.
[02:42] <fdoving> it doesn't fill the screen.
[02:43] <Jucato> weheh
[02:43] <fdoving> well, the upper left corner is in the center of the screen.
[02:44] <Jucato> er... yeah that falls under krazy
[02:46] <fdoving> and googling for 'kdm fullscreen problem' does hot help.
[02:46] <fdoving> kscreensaver != kdm :)
[02:47] <Jucato> heheh
[02:53] <fdoving> oh, it does not happen with opengl screensavers.
[02:53] <fdoving> ohwell.
[02:54] <Jucato> only with kscreensavers? weird indeed
[04:29] <mhb> see you all in a week, folks!
[04:30] <Jucato> mhb: where ya goin?
[04:30] <mhb> Crete
[04:30] <Jucato> oooh
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> fun!
[04:30] <Jucato> take care and have fun :)
[04:31] <mhb> you take care of Kubuntu .o)
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> K ;)
[04:32] <Jucato> kthxbye
[04:32] <Jucato> :)
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> oh... we are such Kooks..
[04:34] <Jucato> :D
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: have fun!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you *still* owe me an email.
[04:38] <Jucato> has he stopped dancing yet?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> seems so
[04:39] <Jucato> oh btw... hi Hobbsee!!!!!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato1
[04:45] <Jucato> there was a Jucato_ a while ago. but he expired
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya
[05:03] <Jucato> heya bddebian
[05:03] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[05:05] <mhb> off-topic: I wonder how many visa applicants have marked "Yes" at the question " Have you taken part in any terrorist activity?"
[05:05] <mhb> U.S. visa for the UDS, to be exact
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> haha
[05:05] <ScottK> I'm sure none, but that's not why it's there.
[05:06] <mhb> ScottK: what's the purpose then?
[05:07] <mhb> ScottK: so that the embassy can say "they said they aren't terrorists, it's not our fault?"
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> probably so VISA can't get sued for knowingly taking part in terrorist money transfers.
[05:07] <ScottK> Lieing on the visa application is grounds for being expelled/denying entry.
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> sued..... or worse
[05:07] <ScottK> If they have/find any dirt on someone it's easy to through them out for having lied.
[05:07] <ScottK> Than having to sort through was the thing they did bad enough.
[05:08] <ScottK> It's the same reason (basically) you are required in the US to pay taxes on profits from illegal activities.
[05:08] <ScottK> It's quite often easier to get court proof someone had money and didn't pay tax on it than that they did the actual crime.
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> which is how Al Capone got convicted.
[05:09] <ScottK> Exactly.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> i'm so glad i'm not in hte US.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> everyone seems to seem to want to sue their neighbour, and everyone else they meet.
[05:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: There is a certain amount of that, but I think it's not as bad as it appears in the media.
[05:27] <Jucato> (nothing is as bad as they appear in the media... except for natural disasters...)
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> and Katrina was nothing like it looked in the media
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> way worse
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> and I was there a year later
[05:28] <nosrednaekim> in New Orleans that is.
[06:05] <coreymon77> okay
[06:05] <coreymon77> team report completed
[06:05] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[06:06] <coreymon77> sorry about it being slightly late
[06:06] <coreymon77> there were login problems yesterday
[06:06] <coreymon77> and i just got home right now
[06:06] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: take a look at it?
[06:07] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: decided to lighten the mood a bit by adding in the last point
[06:07] <Hobbsee> where is it?
[06:07] <coreymon> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/September2007#preview
[06:08] <Hobbsee> coreymon: nice work :)
[06:09] <coreymon77> thanks
[06:09] <nosrednaekim> lol...
[06:11] <coreymon77> whats the matter
[06:11] <coreymon77> that was s-cottk's idea
[06:11] <Jucato> nothing much. just dolphin :)
[06:13] <ScottK> No it wasn't.  It was nixteral.
[06:13] <ScottK> nixternal even
[06:13] <ScottK> coreymon77: Remember, we agreed to blame him.
[06:14] <coreymon77> ScottK: im talking about the python thing
[06:14] <ScottK> Oh.
[06:14] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[06:15] <coreymon77> Jucato: the riddell thing was nixternals though
[06:16] <Jucato> er.. 3rd item is about dolphin :)
[06:17] <coreymon77> i know
[06:17] <coreymon77> miscounted
[06:17] <Jucato> :)
[06:51] <coreymon77> so, did i do i good job/
[06:51] <coreymon77> ?
[06:52] <nixternal> what's new :)
[06:52] <coreymon77> nixternal: i finished
[06:52] <nixternal> I am always getting beat, and oddly enough, it is by women :p
[06:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that i havent seen what you want uploaded yet.
[06:53] <nixternal> rock on coreymon77
[06:53] <coreymon77> nixternal: take a look at it
[06:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm sure you wouldnt want to be beaten by another man anyway.
[06:53] <nixternal> hehe
[06:53] <nixternal> well, I can't upload it, so someone else needs to
[06:54] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: we need to make a page where we can store points that you want ot be in the next report
[06:54] <coreymon77> because i didnt know what to put in it
[06:54] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: meeting agenda could double as that
[06:54] <Hobbsee> of course, it would help if i was spending more time on kubuntu, i expect
[06:54] <Jucato> nixternal: you were dancing again in so many rooms :)
[06:54] <nixternal> ya, I noticed
[06:55] <nixternal> I am starting to totally dislike comcast
[06:55] <nixternal> it is hard for me to complain since my connection is totally free
[06:55] <nixternal> I haven't paid for broadband service since 2000
[06:55] <Jucato> wow
[06:56] <nixternal> when I was an AT&T employee, the broadband was called @Home, and I got it for free, then they sold it to comcast, and I still got it free
[06:56] <nixternal> so that goes to show that comcast does not do any types of audits
[06:56] <Jucato> lol
[06:56] <nixternal> hell, they sold it to comcast after I left AT&T
[06:56] <nixternal> so AT&T didn't do their job either
[06:57] <Jucato> but it benefits you that they didn't :)
[06:57] <Jucato> very convenient :P
[06:57] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I left a comment asking for a status on the kdebase patches for Dapper -> Feisty
[06:57] <nixternal> hopefully that will wake someone up
[06:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, you assume that people read bugmail.
[06:58] <nixternal> well, I assume the security people do
[06:58] <Hobbsee> it's a sunday
[06:58] <Hobbsee> unless you're backwards
[06:58] <Hobbsee> but even then, it's still a saturday, and therefore a weekend.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> and the priority is on that gutsy one
[06:59] <nixternal> there, I just pinged keescook
[06:59] <nixternal> well the gutsy one is in bzr
[06:59] <nixternal> I would think the priority would be on dapper
[07:02] <coreymon77> when is gutsy being released?
[07:02] <nixternal> next month
[07:02] <coreymon77> oh
[07:02] <nixternal> the 19th I believe
[07:02] <coreymon77> not waiting for kde4?
[07:02] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[07:02] <nixternal> nope
[07:02] <nixternal> KDE 4 won't be until December
[07:03] <Jucato> we can't wait :)
[07:03] <nixternal> at the earliest
[07:03] <Jucato> one of the quirks of being a *buntu :P
[07:03] <nixternal> heh
[07:03] <coreymon77> ah
[07:03] <coreymon77> but i take it guty has being made to work perfectly with kde4 right?
[07:03] <coreymon77> because its a little long to wait until heron to have kde4 supprot
[07:04] <coreymon77> the next release is called heron right?
[07:04] <Jucato> who says we'll wait that long? :)
[07:04] <nixternal> you know...I have been messing with other KDE distros...and using them big time...and even got in a bit with other devs...and the one thing I have to say, is I think we are w/o a doubt the best...I know I am biased, but I just couldn't work with the other distros like I can with Kubuntu
[07:04] <coreymon77> of course
[07:04] <coreymon77> i think kubuntu is increbile
[07:04] <coreymon77> its definitely the best distro out there
[07:05] <nixternal> openSUSE is pretty damn good though once you get past yum
[07:05] <Jucato> nixternal: of course. and I'm sure *some* openSUSE devs believe they are the best too :)
[07:05] <nixternal> Yast to me is pretty decent
[07:05] <Jucato> yum?
[07:05] <coreymon77> it took me 5 years to find kubuntu
[07:05] <Jucato> suse don't use yum :)
[07:05] <nixternal> !yum
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yum - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <nixternal> !apt
[07:05] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:05] <nixternal> hrmm, it is their version of apt
[07:05] <coreymon77> and its the only linux distro that i have been able to stick with for so long
[07:05] <Jucato> it's rh's/fedora's
[07:05] <nixternal> managing openSUSE repositories is like pulling teeth from a lion who is wide awake and hasn't had anything to eat in a month
[07:06] <coreymon77> uyp
[07:06] <coreymon77> yup*
[07:06] <coreymon77> but its probably better than YAST (**hack hack cough cough puke**)
[07:06] <nixternal> PCLOS has a nice systems management setup, probably the nicest I have seen...
[07:06] <Jucato> hehe yeah.. one of my biggest complaints too
[07:06] <Jucato> but don't equate YaST with their package manager btw :)
[07:07] <coreymon77> umm, last time i used suse it was their package manager
[07:07] <nixternal> PCLOS is an all around nice setup, and even though I hate the fact all of the non-free stuff is included, I am starting to see that people want it, and it is drawing in new users much easier than we are
[07:07] <Jucato> YaST is the whole configuration system
[07:07] <Jucato> it just gives a front end to the package management.
[07:07] <Jucato> so there are part s of yast that are great
[07:08] <coreymon77> well, back to watching hot fuzz
[07:08] <Jucato> nixternal:  and it helps that they dropped the silly Windows-like logo :)
[07:08] <nixternal> Fedora does not implement KDE very well...it is slow and unorganized
[07:08] <nixternal> heh, no doubt
[07:08] <Jucato> it's only recently that they started to take KDE seriously. to they're still catching up
[07:08] <nixternal> the first time I seen PCLOS I seen that windows logo
[07:08] <nixternal> true
[07:09] <nixternal> I like Fedora's Gnome setup
[07:09] <Jucato> but they still have to impress me with Fedora KDE config apps :)
[07:09] <nixternal> for Gnome I think Foresight does it the best justice
[07:09] <nixternal> Foresight is supposed to release a KDE distro here soon
[07:09] <Jucato> oooh more and more KDE! yummy
[07:10] <nixternal> I was actually asked by Ken Vandine and some other devs if I was interested in helping them out...but you know what they did? they brought over quite a few of the PCLOS devs
[07:11] <Jucato> O.o
[07:11] <nixternal> I told Ken that he should not deflect from software freedom, and he promised he wouldn't
[07:12] <nixternal> Ken is a cool dude, he comes to a lot of the Chicago events because we have a lot of Foresight devs here...it is always a fun battle between Ubuntu Chicago and them
[07:12] <nixternal> as a matter of fact, they included us in one of their newsletters
[07:15] <nixternal> http://wiki.foresightlinux.com/confluence/display/newsletter/2007/07/01/#ForesightLinuxNewsletter%2CVolume1%2CIssue4%28June2007%29-BarcampChicago
[07:15] <nixternal> there is the newsletter
[07:16] <ScottK> nixternal: The fundamental problem, IMO, with OpenSuse (it's what I used before Kubuntu) is that opensuse is NOT Novell/SUSE's product.  SLES is.
[07:17] <Jucato> (neither is Kubuntu Canonical's...)
[07:17] <Jucato> nixternal: aw.. no mention or pictures of you? :)
[07:18] <ScottK> Jucato: But Ubuntu is.  Close enough.  We are downstream of the product, not free beta testers for the product.  All the difference in the world.
[07:19] <Jucato> I think opensuse is less of a "beta test" product of Novell than Fedora is/was of RH... for example, opensuse and sles/sled are diverging a lot in terms of package management
[07:20] <Jucato> but that's just what I think. :)
[07:21] <ScottK> You obviously weren't running opensuse 10.1 right after they released it.
[07:21] <ScottK> I had this nice shiny KDE desktop that could never be updated.
[07:21] <Jucato> I have the 5 cd's but didn't have the time/chance to use them
[07:21] <Jucato> I did use 10.2
[07:21] <Jucato> yes, that's why opensuse is now diverging from sled
[07:22] <Jucato> they're ditching zen, but sled will still continue to use it
[07:22] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, but I prefer a community based distro truthfully
[07:23] <Jucato> but it can be a pain when you start getting compared with your more "supported" older siblings..
[07:24] <nixternal> I tend to look past it...I think crimsun said one time that we had it made, being in the shadow causes us to not be scrutinized as harshly as Ubuntu is
[07:24] <Jucato> er... half true..
[07:24] <nixternal> but that can be a bad thing at the same time
[07:24] <ScottK> The thing that really got me was that they changed out the update technology compeltely with Zen AFTER the last public beta and defended it as an appropriate thing to do.
[07:24] <nixternal> what is Zen?
[07:24] <Jucato> suse's package manager
[07:24] <ScottK> The thing that made updating in opensuse 10.1 compeletly broken
[07:24] <nixternal> oh
[07:25] <ScottK> That's all I know.
[07:25] <nixternal> heh
[07:25] <Jucato> not yum :)
[07:25] <Jucato> the thing that made opensuse 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2 terrible
[07:25] <ScottK> If yum ~ apt then zen ~ dselect or dpkg.
[07:25] <nixternal> I help teach the Linux classes at the local college, and the one thing I hear the most complaints about is updating..and we use SLED there because of their huge Novell deal
[07:25] <Jucato> (10.2 being the least)
[07:25] <nixternal> I hated the fact that they wouldn't listen to me when they chose a new Linux distro this year
[07:26] <Jucato> nah. yum is fedora's. opensuse uses zypp and zen
[07:26] <nixternal> there is nobody at that college that knows one thing about Linux, but maybe 5 of us, and not one of us was included in, nor even asked about, the Linux upgrades
[07:26] <Jucato> zypp from ximian I think..
[07:26] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've done my best to forget the experience.
[07:26] <Jucato> hehe
[07:26] <nixternal> heh
[07:27] <Jucato> nixternal: but they almost also say the same thing about us btw..
[07:27] <Jucato> but less terrible than the latest suse releases
[07:27] <nixternal> well, here is my unbiased opinion...apt owns them all and conary is coming up quicly to the level of apt
[07:28] <nixternal> conary is lovely...in less than 5 minutes you can package just about anything you can think of
[07:28] <Jucato> yeah I don't think there's anything better than apt when it comes to binary package management
[07:28] <nixternal> you put together the recipe, and then you cook it
[07:28] <Jucato> never tried conary...
[07:28] <nixternal> literally
[07:28] <nixternal> all you need to know is very little python in order to do so
[07:29] <nixternal> I am wearing a rPath t-shirt right now :)
[07:41] <nixternal> you can't do tabs in dolphin?
[07:43] <Jucato> of course you can't :P
[07:43] <ScottK> nixternal: No because dolphin is supposed to be simple.
[07:43] <mhb> hehe
[07:43] <nixternal> bah
[07:43] <Jucato> or rather...
[07:43] <nixternal> that knocks it down a notch for me
[07:43] <Jucato> Dolphin is a powerful file manager for simple uses
[07:43] <nixternal> the split view kind of works
[07:43] <Jucato> :)
[07:43] <mhb> nixternal: try to google some info up, it's been discuss a milion times
[07:43] <nixternal> to lazy to google
[07:44] <nixternal> or to busy
[07:44] <nixternal> one of the two :)
[07:44] <nixternal> have fun mhb
[07:46] <ScottK> I didn't know that Gnomes were aquatic.
[07:46] <Jucato> Nautilus is :)
[07:46] <nixternal> ;)
[07:47] <ScottK> Gnomes?
[07:47] <nixternal> no, Dolphins :D
[07:47] <ScottK> Oh.  That too.
[07:47] <nixternal> haha
[07:47] <nixternal> oh wow...I have the most classic story that happened to me the other day in class
[07:48] <Jucato> lol
[07:48] <nixternal> some dude wanted to argue that Vista comes with more than any Linux distro on a CD...he said if that wasn't true, then why does Vista come on a DVD, and Ubuntu comes on a CD
[07:48] <nixternal> I wanted to smack the heck out of him for being flat out idiotic
[07:49] <sebas> Beating all Vista users to death also solves Bug#1. Not sure if that's a good idea still. :-)
[07:49] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:50] <Jucato> lol
[07:50] <nixternal> well, actually, we would need to beat all of the XP users first, they still rule the world in shear amount
[07:50] <nixternal> XP is about the size of China, and Vista is about the size of....ummm, Diego Garcia
[09:06] <_StefanS_> evening!
[09:18] <nixternal> howdy
[11:32] <davmor2> guys doing iso testing on my 32 bit laptop.  I have tried to link to my network wirelessly and it is not havin' any of it.  Is this known ?  Do I need to right click to connect or am I doing something else daft?
[11:43] <jjesse> in gutsy is that what you are working on davmor2?>
[11:43] <davmor2> yes iso testing beta
[11:44] <jjesse> is the beta, the current iso?
[11:45] <davmor2> yesish 20070921.1 is the image we are using for testing
[11:46] <jjesse> so knetworkmanager is not connecting automatically?
[11:46] <davmor2> I right click on the icon, select my network which it can see then nothing
[11:47] <jjesse> think a bug needs to be set then
[11:50] <davmor2> ok ta
[11:59] <Riddell> manchicken: I'd have thought synaptic would be a native package
[12:02] <davmor2> Riddell: did you know that install and qtparted are still in the menu system on an install system dead links just still there?
[12:03] <Riddell> err, that's strange
[12:03] <Riddell> however I'm off to bed, will look at it soon