[01:02] <Balaams_Miracle> I'm sometimes looking for a particular string in a package to (re)translate it really quick. Downloading and uploading the .po file would take too much time and the search does not look inside the packages.
[01:04] <LaserJock> kiko: so is it ok for us to go through the Janitor closings and reopen? Will that mess anything up?
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Balaams_Miracle: I think that's bug #44, but I can't check now.
[01:04] <Balaams_Miracle> Having a program like i envision would download the first translation page of a package, then download the rest in the background. It would also allow for search and/or replace. Translated strings would be uploaded once an entire page (or perhaps package) is translated
[01:04] <kiko> LaserJock, no, if you reopen and we do a pass that it should have been reopened, we'll just ignore and move on.
[01:04] <Balaams_Miracle> Fujitsu: Really? I thought i wasn't being very original :-)
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Balaams_Miracle: THe lack of searching, that is.
[01:06] <Balaams_Miracle> Fujitsu: Would you use an app like the one i just dreamed up?
[01:06] <Fujitsu> I do no translations, so no.
[01:06] <Balaams_Miracle> LOL
[01:06] <Balaams_Miracle> But if you did do translations?
[01:07] <Odd_Bloke> bazaar.launchpad.net seems to be refusing connections on port 22...
[01:07] <Fujitsu> I have no idea about the workflow, so I really don't know.
[01:07] <Nafallo> Odd_Bloke: lp down for maintaince
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Odd_Bloke: Launchpad is down for maintenance for around another 20 minutes.
[01:07] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, OK.  Could that be in the topic?
[01:07] <Nafallo> +spelling indeed
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Odd_Bloke: You'd think.
[01:07] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, people need to write more non-English software so we can have a crack at translating ;-)
[01:07] <Nafallo> Odd_Bloke: that's what I asked :-P
[01:07] <Balaams_Miracle> Odd_Bloke: in the mean tme, let's have a chat-a-thon! :-)
[01:08] <LaserJock> people read the topic??
[01:08] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Heheh, yes.
[01:08] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I need the karma :-)
[01:08] <Odd_Bloke> LaserJock: I did before I asked, to avoid being piled on by people who had read the topic. :p
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> LaserJock: You can still translate (or correct the spelling of) the English packages
[01:09] <LaserJock> I tried to find some en_GB I could translate to en_US but I didn't see much :-)
[01:09] <Balaams_Miracle> LaserJock: How about en_US to en_GB? Or en_ZA?
[01:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I *might* be able to do en_US to en_GB :-)
[01:10] <LaserJock> but I generally don't touch Rosetta at all
[01:11] <Balaams_Miracle> I wish there was an en_SILLY option... :-)
[01:11] <LaserJock> I've tried to do some stuff on the dev end trying to get .pots put on LP and back down
[01:11] <LaserJock> but even that hurt my brain
[01:11] <sinzui> I want and en_hacker option, and a en_fudd too like google.
[01:11] <Balaams_Miracle> After installing that, you'd get stuff like "WHEE! There was an error!"
[01:12] <Balaams_Miracle> "Press any key to continue, dude."
[01:13] <Balaams_Miracle> "Busted! That was an illegal option."
[01:14] <Balaams_Miracle> The OK-buttomn should read "Hmmmkay..."
[01:16] <Balaams_Miracle> And imagine the fun to be had whilst translating the default messaages to one's native language. When translating verbatim, they can yield some crazy results
[01:27] <Rinchen>  ==> We're going to be down for a bit longer that 1 hour. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[01:28] <Nafallo> Rinchen: topic please? :-)
[01:28] <Fujitsu> What's being cherrypicked today?
[01:28] <LaserJock> shesh, now what am I going to do? like real life stuff?!?! ;-)
[01:29] <Nafallo> LaserJock: :-P
[01:29] <laga> LaserJock: bzr diff etc still works with LP.
[01:29] <laga> no worries.
[01:30] <Nafallo> cheers
[01:36] <Rinchen> We were applying some final bug fixes today and found some results we didn't like in our QA check. We're addressing them now, hence the delay.
[01:36] <kiko> Rinchen, actually, PostgreSQL didn't like our results either. :)
[01:37] <kiko> man this has got to be a friday
[01:37] <Rinchen> I was trying to be subtle.
[01:37] <kiko> no other days could be like this
[01:37] <kiko> bad news from morning till evening
[01:37] <Fujitsu> DB constraints wanted adjusting?
[01:37] <Rinchen> At least we know our QA process works. :-)
[01:37] <kiko> heh
[01:38] <kiko> Fujitsu, actually, a broken trigger being tickled by some bad data in a bug in the 2000s range
[01:38] <kiko> not sure which bug yet
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Ah, nice.
[01:39] <kiko> nice, as in, the sound it makes when you bite on a olive seed and your teeth goes crack!
[01:39] <kiko> or pip
[01:39] <kiko> your tooth.
[01:39] <kiko> obviously I have had way too much lsd tonight
[01:39] <Fujitsu> Quite obviously.
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #141614 in launchpad "Launchpad pages not displaying properly in Internet Explorer 7 as of 9/21" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141614
[01:41] <Fujitsu> We're up again?
[01:42] <ubotu> New bug: #141597 in malone "bug janitor expires duplicate bug reports" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141597
[01:42] <ubotu> New bug: #141604 in malone "Expiration janitor should put an expiration notice on bug page" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141604
[01:42] <Rinchen> it's ubotu catching up
[01:42] <Rinchen> although the LP page is up at the moment
[01:42] <Fujitsu> It is, yes.
[01:43] <Fujitsu> Not exactly fast, but it works.
[01:45] <Rinchen> ==> We're trying to identify and fix the bad data. If we can do it in the 15-20 minutes we may bring LP down again for a short pause. Stay tuned.
[01:50] <Rinchen> I need to step away for an hour or so. Kiko will provide you all with further updates.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Thanks Rinchen.
[01:51] <Rinchen> We've identified the bad bug data. :-)
[01:51] <kiko> yes
[01:51] <kiko> it's good ole Bug #1567
[01:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1567 in hwdb-client "Ubuntu Device Database" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567 - Assigned to Oliver Grawert (ogra)
[01:55] <kiko> Fujitsu, I noticed that. don't think I didn't. I saw your evil touch!
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[02:07] <kiko> Fujitsu, your evil touch bled all the way to bug 1566.
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1566 in rosetta "Duplicated msgids and wrong exports prevents some .mo exports" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[02:09] <sinzui> I found a bug two days ago that had a 6 meg description. I couldn't change the status because the query to get all the bug took too long.
[02:10] <kiko> sinzui, yeah, we fixed that too
[02:11] <sinzui> kiko: pity, that would have killed the expiration job
[02:11] <kiko> one step at a time 
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #141627 in launchpad "The fti update trigger blows up for bug 1566." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141627
[02:24] <kiko> Fujitsu, see!
[02:25] <Fujitsu> That syntax does look rather valid.
[02:37] <gnomefreak> holy fudge janitor is working its butt off
[02:37] <gnomefreak> i think ill save them for tomorrow when i have time to decide what stays and what can go
[02:37] <hexmode> 'bout time it earns its keep
[02:37] <gnomefreak> hexmode: once bugs are worked out it will ;)
[02:45] <gnomefreak> kiko: did someone change janitor to only mark dupes and close?
[02:45] <kiko> gnomefreak, no, it's not running any longer. you're getting bugmail that was sent out.
[02:46] <sinzui> gnomefreak: No, it just turns out that a lot of what was expired were dupes
[02:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
[03:43] <kiko> okay.
[03:43] <kiko> we're doing it!
[03:43] <mthaddon> LP going down for maintenance in 15 minutes for 1 hour
[03:43] <Fujitsu> Um, yay.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Is this the FTI trigger fixing, or something else?
[03:47] <Odd_Bloke> mthaddon: It seems to be down now?
[03:47] <Odd_Bloke> Well, bazaar.launchpad.net is refusing SSH connections.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:48] <Odd_Bloke> So hopefully that's intended downtime. :p
[03:48] <mthaddon> Odd_Bloke, yeah, that gets stopped as part of the rollout - sorry - by the timing I meant the web frontend for Launchpad
[03:48] <Odd_Bloke> mthaddon: OK, no worries.
[03:48] <Odd_Bloke> Just wanted to make sure it was expected. :p
[03:48] <mthaddon> Odd_Bloke, thx for bearing with us
[03:48] <Fujitsu> How many more downtime windows are we having today?
[03:49] <mthaddon> Fujitsu, with luck, this will be the last - nasty DB issue caught us last time, but we believe we have it resolved now
[03:54] <LaserJock> hmm, late nights in the DC
[04:02] <Rinchen> indeed LaserJock 
[04:15] <johanbr> "[Expired for Ubuntu because there has been no activity for 60 days.] " Is this some kind of joke?
[04:16] <Fujitsu> johanbr: No, that's a feature introduced in Launchpad 1.1.9.
[04:16] <kiko> Fujitsu, well, with some caveats.
[04:16] <kiko> :)
[04:16] <Fujitsu> Heh heh heh.
[04:17] <kiko> johanbr, there's been a lot of discussion here already, it will go on-list on monday
[04:17] <johanbr> Seems to be a feature from the "if I don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist" school of bug management.
[04:17] <kiko> johanbr, it was meant to only touch inactive bugs; we'll fix them up on monday.
[04:17] <Fujitsu> johanbr: It only happens if the bug had status Incomplete.
[04:18] <sinzui> johanbr: Will these rules fix your bug:
[04:18] <sinzui> -- Restore expired bugs to INCOMPETE (17) status
[04:18] <sinzui> -- when any of the following are true:
[04:18] <sinzui> -- A. The bug is a duplicate.
[04:18] <sinzui> -- B. The bugtask has a milestone.
[04:18] <sinzui> -- C. The bug has has a valid upstream bugtask.
[04:18] <sinzui> -- D. The date_last_message < 60 days old.
[04:19] <johanbr> sinzui: No, they won't. It's not uncommon for bugs to go uncommented on for longer than sixty days.
[04:19] <LaserJock> I think many of mine aren't covered by that
[04:19] <LaserJock> but kiko is trying to convince me my bug triaging sucks ;-p
[04:20] <johanbr> With rules like that, I am unlikely to waste my time reporting any more bugs.
[04:20] <kiko> johanbr, in the Incomplete status?
[04:20] <kiko> johanbr, can you give me an example where the bug should be Incomplete and still untouched for 60 days?
[04:20] <kiko> LaserJock, if you have an example too, it'll help us tune.
[04:21] <sinzui> johanbr: In addition to those new restrictions, the current ones are unassigned, INCOMPETE for 60 day without a bugwatch
[04:21] <LaserJock> kiko: well, I have quite a few bugs that are olde than 60days that I don't want to close
[04:22] <kiko> LaserJock, incomplete and unassigned and with no activity?
[04:22] <LaserJock> yep
[04:22] <kiko> and with no upstream bug?
[04:22] <LaserJock> I don't assign, I don't do upstream
[04:22] <LaserJock> I just fix when I get the chance
[04:23] <johanbr> kiko: It wasn't clear from what sinzui wrote that the rules only apply to Incomplete bugs. In any case, there certainly are such bugs too. Here's one that I reported (but that seemed to later have been fixed manually): https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/61009
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61009 in alsa-driver "No alsa sound through Motorola V300 phone" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[04:23] <kiko> LaserJock, /incomplete/? that doesn't make sense
[04:23] <LaserJock> kiko: well, I left it in incomplete because I wanted more info at the time
[04:23] <LaserJock> you're thinking that I'd come back to it and mark it "Confirmed" within 60 days, right?
[04:23] <johanbr> Another example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/52410
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52410 in alsa-lib "Choppy sound/crash in ekiga" [Low,Invalid]  
[04:24] <kiko> johanbr, that bug is certainly either Confirmed or New, it had no business being Incomplete.
[04:24] <sinzui> johanbr: That bug was INCOMPLETE. should it have been CONFIRMED to begin with? DO I misunderstand that status os this bug
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #141637 in launchpad "Updating FTI on one of our bugs causes PostgreSQL to SEGV" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141637
[04:26] <LaserJock> kiko: my concern is that this change seems to depend on the statuses being used correctly, right?
[04:26] <johanbr> kiko,sinzui: Crimsun (Daniel Chen) claims that "Incomplete" is the correct status for "hasn't been fixed upstream yet".
[04:26] <kiko> johanbr, well, at least that confusion will be cleared up now. I had no idea 
[04:27] <kiko> johanbr, that's not correct, though. the correct status would be Confirmed.
[04:27] <kiko> a special pending-upstream mechanism is something we have considered
[04:27] <kiko> I'm not sure how it might work though
[04:28] <kiko> anyway, let me get to the pizza shop before they close for the night
[04:28] <kiko> I'll bbiab
[04:28] <kiko> 23:28, wow
[04:28] <kiko> 18h of work
[04:28] <sinzui> LaserJock: That is the assumption. This has been an awful experience to see the variation in how people use Launchpad. Tee goal is to save the contributors time tracking down delinquent bug reports.
[04:28] <LaserJock> yep
[04:29] <LaserJock> that's my concern
[04:32] <LaserJock> the *idea* is nice
[04:32] <LaserJock> but if the implementation depends on people doing things they aren't then you're gonna get problems
[04:33] <LaserJock> for the work I do probably moving the status back to what it was before Incomplete would be the easiest
[04:34] <sinzui> LaserJock: I'm preparing the restoration script now. Well vet the rules over the next 3 weeks to get this right.
[04:35] <LaserJock> well, I think mostly the rules you've got going now will work for most people
[04:35] <LaserJock> but it is going to force to use Incomplete better
[04:35] <sinzui> LaserJock: I you fix your statuses if you wish, but If you can enjoy the weekend and contribute on other things do it. I'll fix this.
[04:36] <LaserJock> sinzui: I'm not complaining, it forces me to retriage my bugs :-)
[04:36] <LaserJock> which apparently I haven't done for 60 days :-)
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> So with the new version release can we delete from PPA yet, or is that in the next one?
[04:37] <sinzui> LaserJock: Indeed. Tags are the only flexible part of the Launchpad bugtracking system. Everything else does have a strict meaning.
[04:38] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: next one
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: ah, ok - around a month-ish between, right?
[04:38] <LaserJock> yep
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> Okay
[04:39] <LaserJock> just keep uploading over the top for now :-)
[04:39] <kiko> tonyyarusso, with this version your packages will get removed when new packages come in. manual deletion is in the next cycle.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> kiko: ah, cool.  So now here's the kicker - if I have previous ones, would an upload that superceded all kill all of them, or only the immediately previous one?
[04:40] <LaserJock> it would really be nice you LP had a doc on how *you* expect us to use the statuses
[04:40] <LaserJock> *nice if
[04:41] <LaserJock> and probably other things
[04:41] <LaserJock> but in the abscence of any real guidlines, best practices, or policies it's not surprising that people just make it up as they go
[04:42] <kiko> tonyyarusso, all of them.
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> Yeah - I've still been pondering what the most intelligent versioning scheme is
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> kiko: cool
[04:43] <kiko> tonyyarusso, in fact, you don't need to upload -- process-death-row should delete them regardless of an upload.
[04:43] <kiko> LaserJock, you're absolutely right. 
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> kiko: cron job?
[04:44] <kiko> tonyyarusso, yeah. I think cprov-out meant to run it manually today but I'm still waiting for the results
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> kiko: nifty
[04:54] <cprov-out> tonyyarusso: process-death-row will run again 3 AM BST for PPAs. What is exactly your problem ?
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> cprov-out: Not exactly a problem, but I have some old versions that could be cleaned out - just wonder when they would by and such
[04:56] <cprov-out> tonyyarusso: I've run it manually 6 hours ago, all the obsolete versions should be already removed from pool.
[04:58] <kiko-zzz> hmmmm.
[04:59] <cprov-out> tonyyarusso: as you can see in https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonyyarusso/+archive (*removed* sources)
[04:59] <kiko-zzz> cprov-out, maybe we shouldn't list removed sources there, eh?
[05:00] <LaserJock> sinzui: you happen to know how many bugs total Janitor closed today?
[05:00] <kiko-zzz> LaserJock, 2000+
[05:00] <tarheelcoxn> O.O
[05:00] <kiko-zzz> sinzui knows the exact number.
[05:00] <tarheelcoxn> *blinks*
[05:00] <cprov-out> kiko-zzz:  maybe ... not by default.
[05:00] <sinzui> LaserJock: No, I don't since the number changes daily. I have a close number in hand
[05:01] <kiko-zzz> cprov-out, I don't think it makes sense to list removed packages there, ever.
[05:01] <kiko-zzz> cprov-out, the fact that the package is removed is much less relevant to the PPA owner
[05:01] <kiko-zzz> it's history
[05:01] <LaserJock> hmm, would it be possible to have a "PPA History" page?
[05:01] <sinzui> LaserJock: 2894 was the predicted number to close a few days ago.
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> cprov-out: You're right... I didn't look that closely just now (just got home; remembered question from earlier)
[05:02] <LaserJock> sinzui: k, that's not too bad
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'd like it available through some sort of history, or even just another section lower on the page, but yeah, I got confused.
[05:03] <cprov-out> kiko-zzz: yes, maybe presenting it in some other page, as the new sourcepackage page do ... (I should have not resurrect this subject this late in the night <wink>...)
[05:03] <kiko-zzz> heh
[05:03] <kiko-zzz> zzz
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hiya tarheelcoxn 
[05:57] <tarheelcoxn> :)
[05:57] <tarheelcoxn> how goes?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> it's going.  although my car isnt.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> and i've jus tnoticed that the auto expiry mails dont have a specific header on them, to filter by.
[06:00] <LaserJock> sinzui: do you know how many total open bugs there are total?
[06:00] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: yeah, but it's got very predictable body text
[06:00] <sinzui> LaserJock: No I do not
[06:00] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: this is true
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #141652 in launchpad "Active bugs get expired anyway (activity two days ago)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141652
[07:22] <ScottK> I'm going to bed, but based on that bug ^^^ I'm going to go through all the expired mail I got pretty carefully.
[08:06] <Dhakka> !list
[08:06] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:17] <zasf> let's see if it works now
[10:21] <zasf> Fujitsu: Accepted ssmtp 2.61-11~mz~ppa4 (source)
[10:21] <zasf> Fujitsu: thanks!
[10:28] <Fujitsu> zasf: No problem.
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #143972 in launchpad "Package description maintenance" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/143972
[02:05] <leonel> There are packages  that are hard to backport to dapper  or feisty    can I have  my   created / backported packages in PPA  ?
[02:05] <leonel> Not taking in count the dependencies  
[02:06] <leonel> I mean   for clamav   I only need clamav  in dapper  and no other package  
[02:06] <leonel> can  I have the newer  clamav package created by me or someone else  in ppa for dapper  and feisty  ?
[02:08] <Kmos> leonel: clamav for dapper has clamav-team working on it
[02:09] <Kmos> and bug already open
[02:09] <leonel> Kmos:  yes we are 
[02:09] <Hobbsee> leonel: you can create your own, yes.
[02:09] <leonel> thanks  Hobbsee
[02:09] <Hobbsee> leonel: you can create for any supported ubuntu release.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> leonel: stick the release name (ie, dapper), in debian/changelog before building.
[02:10] <leonel> Hobbsee:  dapper~ppa 
[02:10] <Hobbsee> leonel: no, dapper.  dapper~ppa is not an ubuntu release.
[02:10] <leonel> Hobbsee: ok thank you
[02:10] <Hobbsee> leonel: eg network-manager (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[02:11] <Hobbsee> leonel: there, the version number is in the brackets, and the UNRELEASED is the release name.
[02:11] <leonel> Hobbsee: so replace  UNRELEASED  to   dapper ?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> leonel: yes
[02:11] <leonel> there is a new clamav 
[02:11] <Hobbsee> leonel: you'll need to version the feisty and dapper ones separately, btw.
[02:12] <leonel> ok  2 packages 
[02:12] <leonel> great
[02:12] <Hobbsee> leonel: so i'd suggest use gutsyversion~feisty~ppa1, or something
[02:12] <leonel> Hobbsee: ok
[03:21] <Hobbsee> gah.   damned launchpad.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hiya asac 
[03:22] <Hobbsee> okay, so how am i supposed to log in to the wiki section of launchpad?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> oh, here we go.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> if one goes form the main page, it will let you login.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> oh yay, i cant edit the damned thing anyway.
[03:23] <asac> hi Hobbsee 
[03:24] <asac> Hobbsee: does NM still work for you?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> asac: wpasupplicant downgraded WFM, at least at thi spoint.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:24] <asac> any idea what knetworkmanager puts into its rc file?
[03:24] <asac> (i remeber that you had to purge that once)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> asac: yeah, i'll pastebin.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> asac: http://pastebin.ca/706985
[03:28] <Hobbsee> asac: it usually has more, iirc - that's because i've purged it, and havent connected to other networks since then
[03:30] <asac> Hobbsee: is that $HOME/.knetworkmanagerrc ?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> asac: /home/sarah/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[03:31] <bootle> Hi folks, sorry if thats its faq, but I haven't found any right solution yet. I want to move a project to launchpad service. The project is hosted on sourceforge (svn). Is there a way to move the trunk of the project to launchpad without loosing the current commit history?
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #144027 in launchpad "ppa amd64 build fails due to time mismatch" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144027
[04:01] <stdin> bootle: I think this page explains how to do that https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BranchImports
[04:03] <bootle> stdin, thanks I read it now.
[04:18] <_gpg_> hello
[04:19] <hexmode> hello, _gpg_
[04:22] <_gpg_> is launchpad written from scrach or using any existing technology (zope ..)
[04:24] <radix> It uses Zope3
[04:27] <_gpg_> ty
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #144038 in malone "launchpad incorrectly closes bugs while users are waiting on dev response" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144038
[04:45] <alex-weej> uh :/
[04:45] <alex-weej> launchpad "janitor" is closing lots of bugs that are still around it's just no-one cares to fix them
[04:45] <alex-weej> this is annoying.
[04:51] <ScottK> It's also closing ones that are actively being worked.
[05:02] <bigon> hi, could some buildd admin have a look at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/+build/397159 ? I think there is a bug in ppa or something
[05:04] <laga> that's probably a timezone issue?
[05:07] <bigon> laga: maybe but the build was successful on i386
[05:08] <laga> maybe that build happened later
[05:09] <bigon> only a few minutes
[05:09] <bigon> is it possible to schedule a new build attempt?
[05:10] <stdin> bigon: that's bug #144038
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144038 in malone "launchpad incorrectly closes bugs while users are waiting on dev response (dup-of: 141652)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144038
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141652 in launchpad "Active bugs get expired anyway (activity two days ago)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141652
[05:11] <stdin> erm, no it isn't :p
[05:11] <stdin> bug #144027
[05:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144027 in launchpad "ppa amd64 build fails due to time mismatch" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144027
[05:12] <bigon> thx
[05:17] <bigon> and about a new build attempt?
[05:19] <stdin> you see the retry build link on the left ?
[05:23] <bigon> stdin: thx
[05:23] <ScottK> bigon: By definition that's a failure of U/I design.  You should file a bug.
[05:24] <stdin> it's true, most people (including myself) don't see it until their told it's there
[05:24] <ScottK> bigon: There: File the bug and stdin will confirm it.
[05:25] <stdin> yep 
[05:25] <stdin> I think this was mentioned on the mailinglist too, I'll look that post up...
[05:32] <bigon> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/144057
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144057 in launchpad "Rebuild link not easily findable on ppa build log page" [Undecided,New]  
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #144057 in launchpad "Retry build link not easily findable on ppa build log page" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144057
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #144062 in launchpad-bazaar "The list of 'Recent revisions' should include the 'author' when appropriate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144062
[05:51] <ScottK> Would someone please help me figure out how to link Bug #141546 to the upstream bug.
[05:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141546 in libnet-dns-perl "make_query_packet() IP address detection broken" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141546
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #144066 in malone "launchpad usability problems lose bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144066
[05:58] <pochu> ScottK: the package needs to be registered in launchpad. then click on 'Also affects', and update the package info. Then you'll be able to intro the url
[05:58] <ScottK> Why do I have to do that?
[05:58] <ScottK> Before I could just put the URL in
[05:59] <ScottK> Gah.
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ScottK: you shouldnt need to register
[05:59] <ScottK> gnomefreak: I'd appreciate it if you can help me figure this out.
[05:59] <gnomefreak> only for branching or making a prooject
[05:59] <ScottK> It used to be easy.
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ScottK: you have link to upstream bug?
[06:00] <ScottK> Yes.  It's in the bug I mentioned above
[06:00] <ScottK> I just put it in the body since I couldn't link it.
[06:00] <gnomefreak> wtf happened
[06:00] <gnomefreak> ok let me look at this a min
[06:02] <ScottK> gnomefreak: I believe that wtf happened is they improved LP, but I'd like to get confirmation of that.
[06:02] <gnomefreak> but we lost anyway of using upstream now
[06:02] <ScottK> Unless upstream is in LP, yes.
[06:02] <gnomefreak> since there shouldnt be a need to register an upstream project since upstream  doesnt use LP
[06:02] <ScottK> Agreed.
[06:02] <gnomefreak> doesnt/may not
[06:03] <gnomefreak> ScottK: talk to kiki or one of the LP admins this was with 1.1.9 release but first time i saw it
[06:03] <ScottK> There were related changes in the 1.1.9 release.  I'll file a bug.
[06:04] <gnomefreak> trying something else
[06:04] <ScottK> OK.  I'll wait.
[06:04] <gnomefreak> ha
[06:04] <gnomefreak> i found it
[06:04] <ScottK> OK.  How do I do it.
[06:04] <ScottK> ?
[06:05] <gnomefreak> its added into distribution/package
[06:05] <gnomefreak> not project anymore
[06:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:05] <ScottK> I'll look.
[06:05] <gnomefreak> but now do i need to select a project?
[06:05] <gnomefreak> or just paste url
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ScottK: please let me know what you find out :)
[06:06] <ScottK> That won't help you as you have to pick a distro that's on the list.
[06:06] <ScottK> I tried that one already.
[06:06] <ScottK> Thanks for looking.
[06:06] <gnomefreak> sorry i would file bug than
[06:10] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Would you please confirm Bug #144072
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144072 in launchpad "No way to link to upstream bug if it's not registered as a project in LP" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144072
[06:10] <gnomefreak> yes one sec
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ScottK: done
[06:12] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Thanks.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> np
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #144072 in launchpad "No way to link to upstream bug if it's not registered as a project in LP" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144072
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ScottK: any clue how to make a branch using bzr+ssh
[06:22] <ScottK> gnomefreak: No.  I've almost entirely managed to avoid bzr.  When I have to use it, I use it like it's svn.
[06:23] <gnomefreak> well it keep complaing to me no such file or dir lol
[06:23] <Hobbsee> bzr branch bzr+ssh://codebrowse.lp.net... iirc
[06:24] <gnomefreak> ah i didnt see branch in the instructions
[06:24] <Odd_Bloke> gnomefreak: Are you trying to branch from somewhere on Launchpad, or create a new branch in LP?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> create a branch on LP from a package
[06:25] <Odd_Bloke> Is it already versioned with Bazaar?
[06:25] <gnomefreak> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/gnomefreak/nspluginwrapper/nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.4/
[06:26] <gnomefreak> bzr push bzr+ssh://gnomefreak@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nspluginwrapper/ubuntu-0.9.91.x
[06:26] <gnomefreak> thats command and output. it should already be registered as it is a package in gutsy
[06:27] <Odd_Bloke> gnomefreak: You'll want to 'bzr init', 'bzr add', 'bzr commit -m "Initial import."' before pushing it.
[06:29] <gnomefreak> thats more steps than it used to be
[06:29] <gnomefreak> by like 4
[06:29] <gnomefreak> maybe 2
[06:30] <gnomefreak> but ty it is pushing
[06:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: add a " ." at the end.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> >?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: oh, right, you're pushing now
[06:50] <Hobbsee> oh urgh.  the janitor has caused the influx of mail.
[06:51] <pochu> ScottK: I've moved 144072 to malone
[06:52] <kiko> pochu, ScottK: that's a dupe. we'll make registering a product possible as part of adding a bugwatch for 1.1.10.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> kiko: LP has screwed up.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: i should be able to see https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/141378 and cant.  please fix, kthxbye :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> kiko: looks like subscribers are utterly screwed - the bug contacts are not listed as subscribers anymore.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> let alone anyone in ~ubuntu-dev from being able to see it.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> kiko: in future, please ensure that you do *not* release on a friday, particularly around ubuntu tribes, as there's no one around to clean up any of the mess from the new launchpad.
[07:12] <ScottK> kiko: Registering the product is completely infeasible for the thousands of packages in Universe.  I just want to be able to put the URL in.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i suspect for anything non-critical, you'd better bug people during the week.
[07:12] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I was responding to the comment above.  It's in the bug I filed
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:09] <u-foka> Hy! Please help my, because I can't register:S
[08:09] <u-foka> i tried with two different mail-s but neither of them work :S
[08:10] <u-foka> anybody here???
[08:16] <gnomefreak> u-foka: what does it say when it doesnt work
[08:16] <gnomefreak> u-foka: it should give you a reason why it fails
[08:17] <u-foka> i click on the link on the top of the page (register) fill in my email and wait, wait, wait...
[08:17] <u-foka> 2 weeks ago
[08:17] <u-foka> 1 with my alternate gmail address
[08:18] <u-foka> and it's not in my spam folder ;)
[08:18] <u-foka> double checked
[08:20] <gnomefreak> u-foka: we just upgraded LP to 1.1.9 maybe it got caught in that? i would wait for one of the Lp guys to find out. otherwise try it now and see what happens
[08:21] <u-foka> kk thanks, and how I can recognize lp guys? :D
[08:22] <u-foka> ok, now it's arrived :)
[08:22] <u-foka> thanks!
[08:23] <gnomefreak> they will see you. id say mayube 50-75% of people in here are LP people but they are not always here (and its a weekend)
[08:24] <u-foka> ok :) I see
[08:25] <gnomefreak> u-foka: what was the you used to register?
[08:25] <gnomefreak> ill look see if i can see it
[08:25] <u-foka> my launchpad display name? it's u-foka too :)
[08:28] <gnomefreak> ok give me a mint
[08:28] <gnomefreak> min
[08:28] <u-foka> okay, thanks!
[08:28] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~u-foka
[08:28] <gnomefreak> your there
[08:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:29] <gnomefreak> you might have to remove edge. from that link
[08:29] <gnomefreak> i dont know if edge was released but i think it was
[08:29] <gnomefreak> u-foka: its using your freemail
[08:29] <gnomefreak> email
[08:30] <u-foka> tmm, then it's my first mail, arrived youst now?!
[08:30] <u-foka> 8-)
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #144101 in malone "Bug icons are not correct colour on bugs.lp.net homepage" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144101
[08:32] <u-foka> it's really interesting 8-)
[08:32] <u-foka> I can login with my gmail
[08:32] <u-foka> but how launchpad find out my freemail? 8-)
[08:33] <gnomefreak> if you go to the link i gave you on the left it says confirmed emails and it lists that one
[08:33] <gnomefreak> thats the email you ised to sign up i guess
[08:33] <gnomefreak> ised = used
[08:34] <u-foka> doh... I see, launchpad registration is the same with shipit, right? I registred a shipit account some years ago :P
[08:35] <gnomefreak> u-foka: yes
[08:35] <gnomefreak> ship it uses your LP account
[08:35] <u-foka> lol then this is the reason why i can't get a new reg mail :P
[08:37] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:37] <nenolod> greetings.
[08:37] <nenolod> https://launchpad.net/audacious/ is registered to somebody who has never been affiliated with the project (I am however marked as it's driver)
[08:38] <nenolod> i would like to change that so that I can set up rosetta
[08:38] <nenolod> (and dissociate it from gstreamer, as we don't have any affiliation with gstreamer)
[08:38] <ScottK> !weekend | nenolod
[08:38] <ubotu> nenolod: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[08:39] <ScottK> This probably isn't the best time to be asking FYI.
[08:39] <nenolod> ScottK, yes i know. i was just hoping :P
[08:39] <ScottK> OK.
[08:39] <nenolod> at any rate, if nobody does anything about it, i'll just ask again on Monday ;)
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #144109 in malone "please reopen all auto-closed bugs of ubuntu mozilla packages and network-manager and opt-out those packages from auto closing incomplete bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144109
[08:52] <tehk> Does launchpad somehow modify release tarballs?
[08:54] <tehk> I have a release tarball that is meant to be drug into an applications install window, like a gnome theme, and after hosting it on launchpad under the correct release it no longer seems to be a standard  tar.gz
[09:24] <bersace> Hi all
[09:25] <bersace> Is it plan to have powerpc support in ppa ?
[09:25] <bersace> i.e. will Xen be available on powerpc in the future ?
[09:34] <bersace> my upload is accepted, but seems not queued
[09:34] <bersace> do i need to do something ?
[09:35] <bersace> maybe this is due to a previous FTBFS package version ?
[09:44] <tehk> Is there any reason launchpad modifies tarballs after they are uploaded? I get different md5 sums
[10:00] <soren> tehk: Which one?
[10:00] <tehk> soren, as in? I am speak in general about a project of mine.
[10:01] <soren> tehk: I'd just like an example of a tarball that launchpad is supposed to have changed.
[10:02] <tehk> https://launchpad.net/awn-py-applets/+download the quit-applet
[10:03] <soren> tehk: And your local copy has a different md5sum?
[10:03] <tehk> soren, yes it does
[10:03] <soren> tehk: Could you send me your local copy? I'd like to see how they're different.
[10:04] <soren> tehk: soren@ubuntu.com
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #144120 in launchpad "tarballs are changed when uploaded as release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144120
[10:06] <tehk> sent
[10:09] <soren> Oh.. I think I know what's going on.
[10:09] <soren> tehk: What is the md5sum of your local version?
[10:10] <tehk> 5f0e84c680968c512ff2c26b158d80f4  Quit-Applet.tar.gz
[10:10] <tehk> 8441ca05f2935e621ca07ec74a7cb484  Quit-Applet.tar.gz
[10:10] <soren> Which one is local?
[10:10] <tehk> first is local, second is downloaded
[10:10] <soren> When I download with wget, I get the first one too.
[10:10] <soren> It's not launchpad doing it. It's your browser.
[10:10] <tehk> ah so sorry
[10:10] <tehk> thats odd
[10:10] <soren> Launchpad tells the browser it's gzipped.
[10:11] <soren> ...and the browser ungzips it.
[10:15] <tehk> Thanks soren. 
[10:15] <soren> np
[10:15] <soren> It might still be considered a bug, though.
[10:15] <soren> Now you just have an explanation :)
[10:23] <tehk> soren, well I refocused my bug report and pointed it at epiphany instead. The expected browser behavior should be a bit different - like saving then opening the file.
[12:00] <leonel> is this good  for    a   ppa   :   clamav (0.91.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1) dapper; urgency=low
[12:18] <synic> how do I replace a .pot file in the translations tab for a series?
[12:29] <synic> is there any way at all to update a .pot file for a project?  I can't find it anywhere