[01:36] <CountX> shh
[01:36] <contrast83> CountX: there's a thought. it almost seems to be intentional though. i mean, it's been like that since edgy, probably earlier
[01:36] <CountX> if microsoft hears you they will find us
[01:36] <scizzo-> I got performance issues for my 8800 GTS card so.. :P
[01:38] <CountX> brb yall
[01:39] <Xero> I switched from Xgl to AIGLX and everything is much faster except for reflection, which I had to disable :(
[01:40] <winbond> how do i get iptables to use a blacklist?
[01:42] <contrast83> Xero: Intel?
[01:42] <Xero> contrast83, no. Old NVidia.
[01:42] <contrast83> Ohh... Too old for nVidia rendering?
[01:43] <Xero> contrast83, no. It's using nVidia rendering.
[01:43] <contrast83> Erm... <confused>
[01:43] <contrast83> Apparently my understanding of AIGLX/XGL/nVidia is incorrect.
[01:43] <Xero> It's using the nvidia driver.
[01:44] <Xero> contrast83, no. It's probably my understanding that's wrong/
[01:44] <Xero> s/'/'/.
[01:44] <contrast83> Right, but the driver doesn't dictate the rendering method
[01:45] <contrast83> Did you have to mess with your xorg.conf?
[01:46] <Xero> contrast83, no.
[01:47] <Xero> Just 'apt-get uninstall xserver-xgl'. No recent Xorg.conf-messings-with
[01:47] <secher_> heyhey i tried to format a partition with windows with GParted, looked like it worked, but then i couldn't write to the new partition. Then i opened GParted again and got an error "Can't have overlapping partitions. Segmentation fault (core dumped)" And it says the whole disk is "unallocated" now i cant touch anything, but ubuntu is still running perfectly.... What can i do???
[01:48] <contrast83> xgl is just installed by default, it's not actually in use. i don't think uninstalling that really does anything. maybe i'm wrong though
[01:49] <crdlb> Xgl is installed by default?
[01:49] <crdlb> but on gutsy, it does do something
[01:49] <crdlb> installing the xserver-xgl package sets up Xgl and makes it the default session
[01:51] <scizzo-> secher_: have you tried another partition system?
[01:51] <contrast83> ohh... my fault.
[01:51] <scizzo-> secher_: like fdisk or cfdisk
[01:51] <secher_> no i havent, ill have a looksee
[01:56] <secher_> hmm.. kindof same errors
[01:58] <scizzo-> secher_: have no idea mate
[02:00] <CountX> i meessed upmy display
[02:00] <CountX> its too big of a resolution for my screen
[02:00] <secher_> :( damn.. isnt there a partion manager native in ubuntu?
[02:01] <CountX> gparted?
[02:01] <secher_> thats the one that doesnt work
[02:01] <secher_> or the one that messed it up
[02:01] <void^> fdisk?
[02:01] <CountX> can anyone help me with my screen
[02:01] <CountX> its bad..
[02:01] <CountX> like i have to move the mouse to see things
[02:02] <CountX> it scrolls around when i move my mouse
[02:02] <scizzo-> CountX: what did you do before the problem occured
[02:03] <contrast83> CountX: Set something wrong in nVidia Settings?
[02:03] <CountX> contrast83: ya
[02:03] <CountX> i really dont know
[02:03] <CountX> i was setting up a second screen and had to restart X to continue, and its effed up now
[02:04] <CountX> all i did was add another screen and restart
[02:04] <contrast83> CountX: Open a terminal and run this: grep -i virtual /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:05] <contrast83> CountX: did that return anything?
[02:05] <CountX> ya
[02:05] <CountX>                 Virtual 1400    1050
[02:05] <contrast83> there's the culprit
[02:06] <contrast83> so now you want to run "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to edit the file
[02:07] <contrast83> once it's open, hit Ctrl+W, type Virtual and hit Enter (that'll take you to the line). now just put # at the beginning of the line and restart X
[02:07] <contrast83> CountX: If you want, you can pastebin your xorg.conf and i can check it for you before restarting x
[02:08] <CountX> ok
[02:08] <CountX> i will try
[02:08] <CountX> its a little dificult with this resolution'
[02:09] <CountX> http://pastebin.com/m3fe659e0
[02:12] <CountX> help?
[02:12] <CountX> contrast83: http://pastebin.com/m3fe659e0
[02:14] <Nergar> hello
[02:15] <contrast83> CountX: you didn't comment out that line. :-\
[02:15] <contrast83> http://pastebin.com/m278cb3b6
[02:15] <contrast83> that should set you straight
[02:15] <Nergar> I'm trying the new dual screen "easy" set up in gutsy but i cant get my LCD to work, i have a Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[02:17] <CountX> contrast83: do you recommend ctr+alt+delete?
[02:17] <Nergar> the 'Screens and graphics' config tool doesn't work
[02:17] <CountX> contrast83: backspace i mean, to restart X
[02:17] <contrast83> CountX: if for some reason x doesn't want to start, you can hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a terminal, log in, then run this command - sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/broken-xorg.conf && sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:17] <andre_pl> is output hotplugging supposed to be in gutsy now?
[02:18] <contrast83> CountX: No, just log out and at the login screen one of the menus should have an option for restarting X
[02:18] <enyc> hrrm...  Seemingly using the gutsy kernel on feisty causes "device mapper" dmesg (kernel) errors!  are these normal?
[02:18] <contrast83> unless the all-knowing GNOME dev's deemed that potentially confusing from someone. :-P
[02:18] <enyc> andre_pl: display hotplugging... yes think so, but depends on drivers etc. what works i expect
[02:19] <andre_pl> ok, its not working for my tv-out on my nvidia card
[02:19] <Nergar> i have the same problem but with intel
[02:19] <Nergar> and i bet it wont work with ati
[02:19] <CountX> yeah, now the res is kinda small
[02:20] <CountX> adn i STILL have 3 network icons
[02:20] <CountX> nm-applet starts up 3 times
[02:20] <Nergar> andre_pl, did you tired Screens and graphics under System>Administration ?
[02:22] <andre_pl> Nergar, yeah, it says the tv is enabled but its not
[02:22] <CountX> contrast83: The XRandR X extension was not found. This extension must be supported but the X server and enabled for display configuration settings to be dynamically applicable.
[02:23] <CountX> but=by
[02:23] <contrast83> CountX: Is that from nVidia Settings?
[02:24] <CountX> contrast83: yeah...
[02:24] <contrast83> not sure
[02:24] <CountX> contrast83: i cant change the resolution...
[02:25] <andre_pl> compiz recently stopped working for me too, like yesterday or the day before, anyone else?
[02:25] <Nergar> me too
[02:26] <contrast83> andre_pl: i've been hearing that from a lot of people. seems to be faulty packages. i'm compiling from GIT and it's working fine
[02:26] <scizzo-> hasn't been working for me in a long time
[02:26] <contrast83> it also won't work *at all* with the latest free ati driver on aiglx. i had to downgrade on my laptop to fix it
[02:28] <contrast83> CountX: commenting out that line for virtual screen size has nothing to do with RandR, but if you want to be extra sure, just open the file and uncomment it
[02:32] <Drizzt321> after a recent update of gutsy on my laptop, now when I use the fn+up/down for brightness control, it basically refuses to put the brightness up, but it will lower the brightness
[02:32] <DanaG> Here's a workaround:
[02:33] <DanaG> add this line to some file (choose one) in /etc/modprobe.d/:
[02:33] <DanaG> options video no_automatic_changes=0
[02:33] <Drizzt321> ah, ok. sweet. this is going to be fixed in a future update?
[02:33] <DanaG> and as root (sudo -i), do this:
[02:33] <DanaG> echo 0 > /sys/module/video/parameters/no_automatic_changes
[02:33] <DanaG> That's my workaround, but I haven't looked up bug reports on that.
[02:34] <Drizzt321> thanks for the workaround
[02:35] <chrisjs169> for some reason, my USB devices (mp3 player, flash drive) aren't automounting - I know I had this happen before, but forget how I fixed it - any tips?
[02:37] <DanaG> My previously-unrelated bug report:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[02:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[02:38] <slonbg> hi. dualboot XP and gutsy (tribe5). XP on hda1 and ubuntu on hda2 (swap hda3). I had to reinstall windows, so it destroyed grub. Win boots OK. I have saved the MBR before that, so I restored it, and now I have grub and can boot ubuntu. but trying to boot windows reports: error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format
[02:38] <slonbg> any idea how to fix
[02:38] <slonbg> i did not change menu.lst
[02:38] <larson9999> this should stop gdm, right?  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:39] <slonbg> it is still root (hd0,0) / makeactive / chainloader +1
[02:39] <Drizzt321> larson9999: generally speaking, yes
[02:41] <larson9999> Drizzt321, and if it doesn't?
[02:41] <chrisjs169> any tips for my auto-mounting issue?
[02:42] <Drizzt321> larson9999: then you may have to kill it. If you are currently at the X server (aka you are looking at gdm, or gnome or whatever), you can give it ctl-alt-backspace (the X 3 finger salute)
[02:42] <Drizzt321> larson9999: or use the killall command from the command line
[02:42] <Drizzt321> or ps to find the actual pid number of gdm
[02:42] <Drizzt321> and use the kill command
[02:44] <DanaG> If Xorg locks up to where ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work, it's time for alt-sysrq-k.
[02:44] <CountX> what is the fastest tabbed web broser
[02:44] <Drizzt321> CountX: probably Opera
[02:44] <DanaG> Dang, bug with 100.14.19 nvidia: vt switch causes Xorg to go black, and after a few times, it breaks the vt-switch keys.
[02:45] <DanaG> I've gone back to .09.
[02:45] <chrisjs169> any tips for my auto-mounting issue?
[02:45] <Drizzt321> no clue, sorry chrisjs169
[02:46] <CountX> Drizzt321: opera runs slow with like 7 tabs open
[02:46] <CountX> Drizzt321: anything else?
[02:46] <CountX> Drizzt321: sorry to bother
[02:46] <Drizzt321> CountX: it does? slower than firefox?
[02:47] <CountX> Drizzt321: yes
[02:47] <Drizzt321> huh
[02:47] <Drizzt321> I thought it was pretty fast
[02:47] <CountX> Drizzt321: isnt there like something called swiftfox?
[02:47] <Drizzt321> ah...I think there's a plugin something like that
[02:49] <chrisjs169> Drizzt321, ok, thanks anyway - I'll try restarting again and see if it fixes anything
[02:50] <scizzo-> CountX: suggestion is to test different browsers yourself
[02:57] <mojo> If I have problems with 'casper' on gutsy, who should I get in touch with?
[02:58] <hydrogen> !bug
[02:58] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:59] <mojo> well
[02:59] <mojo> what if I want to discuss 1st
[02:59] <mojo> ppl said to me I have to get in touch with 'mdz'
[02:59] <mojo> is he usually here?
[03:00] <gnomefreak> mojo: no hes normall in the -devel channels
[03:00] <gnomefreak> mojo: file a bug is the best way to get it looked at
[03:01] <mojo> okay then
[03:02] <Seilo> checking for BIGBOARD_APPLET... configure: error: Package requirements (libpanelapplet-2.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.8 dbus-1 ddm-1 gnome-desktop-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0) were not met:
[03:02] <Seilo> No package 'ddm-1' found
[03:02] <Seilo> what shall i do
[03:02] <tekhawk> has anyone else noticed compz.real running away
[03:03] <tekhawk> amd64/nvidia platform
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Seilo: you would have to get it from somewhere else if its not in our repos, that looks like an older app
[03:04] <gnomefreak> Seilo: good luck with it, night all
[03:04] <tekhawk> night
[03:10] <cyphase> argh, why has that computer and wrench icon not been updated yet
[03:10] <cyphase> :P
[03:14] <tekhawk> anyone running latest updates on the amd64 platform
[03:14] <tekhawk> i just noticed i had run away gnome-system-monitor and run away compiz.real
[03:16] <tekhawk> correction last update seems to have fix the compiz.real run away without patching compiz must have been xorg issue but now gnome-system-monitor runs away
[03:21] <DanaG> Argh, where are the gnome-screensaver settings stored?
[03:21] <chrisjs169> I'm still having trouble with Gutsy auto-mounting USB devices
[03:21] <DanaG> I want to fix 'flux' so it doesn't run at 500 FPS.
[03:21] <chrisjs169> both my flash drive and mp3 player appear in dmesg, but Ubuntu isn't auto-mounting them
[03:22] <chrisjs169> Is there anything I should try to get it auto-mounting them again?
[03:24] <DigitalNinja> Could be something in Gutsy is broken
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> Did you update everything
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> or should I say upgrade
[03:25] <chrisjs169> Upgraded all packages earlier today
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> I have a few things I need to upgrade
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> However, my usb drives work
[03:25] <DanaG> aah, my answer to my question:  /usr/share/applications/screensavers/
[03:25] <chrisjs169> hmm
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> I think I'm having trouble with printing though
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> Parts of "localhost:639" don't show up
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> I hope an update will fix it
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> sorry
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> upgrade
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> er, 631
[03:26] <chrisjs169> Not sure about that - I don't do printing much
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> You mean you don't print anything
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> ??
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> localhost:631
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> oh
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> that's the ipp/cups prot
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> port
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> That's the cups website
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> most people don't know it's there
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> ya i guess not
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> The cups people don't tell you anything
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> put "localhost:631" in your browser and you should get a website for cups
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> right
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> that is true
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> i use it
[03:29] <DigitalNinja> In my case I get the first page but clicking on a link gives me a broken page
[03:29] <DigitalNinja> I'm hoping an upgrade will fix that
[03:30] <DigitalNinja> Need to run
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:38] <DanaG> heh,
[03:38] <DanaG>  - Skyrocket is broken.  I see the explosions and then hear the sounds a few seconds later.  Speed of sound at sea level = 344 m/s. Speed of light = 299,792,458 m/s. You need to get away from your computer for a while. Go out and see a real fireworks show.
[03:38] <DanaG> http://reallyslick.com/faq.html#16
[04:02] <joeamined> hi
[04:02] <joeamined> please help,
[04:02] <joeamined> i upgraded from feisty to gutsy
[04:02] <joeamined> and i m having problems configuring my nvidia card
[04:03] <joeamined> i want to enable the proprietarz driver
[04:05] <DanaG> dang, I don't like the new, darker icons in the Tangerine theme.
[04:05] <DanaG> It violates the orange theme.
[04:07] <spasticteapot> DanaG: Go away and come back when you have a VALID problem.
[04:07] <Pici> :o
[04:07] <rustlerharv> joeamined: have you done it b4 in feisty
[04:07] <spasticteapot> For me, sleep mode does not work, things crash, and I'm using it anyway.
[04:07] <spasticteapot> Wifi is a mess.
[04:07] <spasticteapot> Battery life is a joke.
[04:07] <spasticteapot> And you're complaining about COLORS?
[04:07] <spasticteapot> Heck, you can just download the old ones....
[04:08] <DShepherd> lol
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> spasticteapot:  What PC do you have? since tribe-5 I've found Gutsy 99% OK
[04:08] <spasticteapot> Thinkpad X40.
[04:08] <spasticteapot> Two hours of battery life is just stupid.
[04:08] <spasticteapot> Ack, it's an X41.
[04:08] <spasticteapot> Brand new, BTW.
[04:08] <spasticteapot> Oh, and I can't adjust the backlight. At all.
[04:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Looks similar in spec. to my Sony Vaio SRX51s
[04:09] <Pici> My T60 works fine.
[04:10] <spasticteapot> Pici: The T61 and X61 have all sorts of wacky bits that don't quite work right.
[04:10] <Pici> spasticteapot: like what?
[04:11] <spasticteapot> The soundcard, Intel's new wireless card, and for some strange reason, the backlight.
[04:11] <spasticteapot> Also, I really wish that someone would fix ACPI.
[04:12] <spasticteapot> Considering that Ubuntu is not very CPU-intensive compared to Vista, we should be getting better battery life, not worse.
[04:12] <IntuitiveNipple> What is your expected versus actual, and what battery size?
[04:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I keep meaning to try Gutsy on the travelmate tablet, but not had the time so far
[04:14] <Assid> spasticteapot: probably bad handling for the LCD
[04:14] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[04:15] <spasticteapot> IntuitiveNipple: I was hoping for three hours of AbiWord.
[04:15] <Pici> Have you filed bugs?
[04:15] <spasticteapot> Pici: I'd have to get in line.
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> spasticteapot: what is the battery capacity in Watt-Hours?
[04:18] <spasticteapot> Lemme check.
[04:19] <spasticteapot> 38 watt hours, according to the sticker.
[04:21] <IntuitiveNipple> 3800mWh by the sound of it, the review says the standard battery is 4-cell, which would sound correct
[04:22] <DanaG> Hmm, about brightness:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[04:22] <spasticteapot> Yup.
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[04:22] <DanaG> Starts unrelated, but new update is relevant.
[04:22] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[04:22] <spasticteapot> That might help.
[04:23] <DanaG> Also, if you want the parameter to take effect immediately:
[04:23] <DanaG> do this as root (sudo -i):   echo 0 > /sys/module/video/parameters/no_automatic_changes
[04:23] <DanaG> wtf? quodlibet isn't showing any files in my folders.
[04:24] <hydrogen> you obivously should be using Amarok
[04:24] <DanaG> I usually do, but I wanted a GTK equivalent.
[04:25] <hydrogen> then you should be using AmaroG
[04:25] <DanaG> Joke?
[04:28] <Assid> okay after much diliberation with myself and a total sleepless night.. im thinking of dual booting, and vmware to try and get myself to migrate permanently
[04:30] <joe_> Well, my thinkpad is still unable to adjust its brightness.
[04:30] <joe_> However, the Gnome Settings Daemon won't start.
[04:36] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=2YC&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=gnome-settings-daemon+%22%27BadDevice,+invalid+or+uninitialized+input+device%27%22&spell=1
[04:36] <DanaG> argh
[04:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/140485
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140485 in gnome-control-center "gnome-settings-daemon not starting with 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[04:45] <tarheelcoxn> anybody in here have a thinkpad with a radeon 7500 video card?
[04:46] <tarheelcoxn> wanna help me with bug 141609 maybe?
[04:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[04:50] <CountX> how come when i delete stuff on a mounted ntfs drive it just makes the file disappear and it doesnt free any space, is there something im missing, an extra step, cause theres nothing in my trash can
[04:51] <CountX> anyone?
[04:52] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: you're doing this from inside gutsy?
[04:52] <CountX> yes
[04:52] <tarheelcoxn> my understanding was that NTFS could be read reliably under linux, but that writing to it was a Bad Idea (TM). I might be behind the times, tho
[04:52] <CountX> this is causing quite the frustration cause i need to free like 30gb
[04:53] <CountX> im just deleting right now
[04:53] <CountX> but no free space is getting made
[04:53] <KurtKraut> I intend to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy in order to report bugs. I'd like to try from update-manager, but even using the main repository, update-manager is unable to detect Gutsy. How should I proceed ?
[04:53] <CountX> do i need to log into windows and then clear the trash can within that OS?
[04:53] <tarheelcoxn> KurtKraut: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:54] <CountX> KurtKraut: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:54] <tarheelcoxn> KurtKraut: replace instances of "feisty" with "gutsy"
[04:54] <tarheelcoxn> KurtKraut: and comment out backports if you have that enabled
[04:54] <CountX> that too
[04:54] <KurtKraut> I'm trying the update-manager -c -d method, that is the main documented.
[04:54] <KurtKraut> shouldn't it work ?
[04:54] <tarheelcoxn> dunno. never tried it
[04:54] <KurtKraut> This method is also recommended in http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> personally what I did was burn a gutsy daily alternate iso
[04:55] <CountX> ive deleted like gb's and gb's with no free space being made
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> and during the install process told it to leave /home alone
[04:55] <CountX> anyone know whats up?
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: why not just back up the data you want from that partition and just blow away the partition?
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: replace NTFS with ext2
[04:55] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: there's a windows driver for ext if you still need windows
[04:56] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: because its a windows partition
[04:56] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: and its a 1tb hdd
[04:56] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: our use FAT
[04:56] <tarheelcoxn> s/our/or/
[04:56] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: it would take all night and half of tomorrow to format
[04:56] <tarheelcoxn> o.O why?
[04:56] <tarheelcoxn> it shouldn't take more than half an hour or so
[04:56] <CountX> its a 1000gb HDD
[04:57] <CountX> 1TB
[04:57] <tarheelcoxn> yes? and?
[04:57] <CountX> a 1.8ghz proc
[04:57] <tarheelcoxn> I've done installs on 4TB systems
[04:57] <tarheelcoxn> bus? SATA?
[04:57] <CountX> SATA
[04:58] <CountX> i reaaaaaly do not want to format it,
[04:58] <CountX> and i cant legally
[04:58] <tarheelcoxn> ??
[04:58] <CountX> cause i dont have any place to put all the files on it
[04:58] <CountX> and i need to FTP a shit-ton in the morning, so i need it ready for 8:30am
[04:59] <CountX> thats when the ips people get here, and when they start hooking us up to the ipx there is no time to waste, so i need everything ready and set for 8:30am
[04:59] <tarheelcoxn> so boot back into windows and delete stuff?
[04:59] <CountX> formating is out of the question
[04:59] <CountX> i was just hoping i didnt have to
[05:00] <CountX> there is no way to do it in linux?
[05:01] <tarheelcoxn> not reliably that I know of
[05:01] <tarheelcoxn> NTFS is ugly
[05:01] <CountX> tell me about it
[05:09] <KurtKraut> Is it worth reporting package conflicts during dist-upgrade ?
[05:24] <DanaG> wtf?  Amarok just froze on play.
[05:24] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/122
[05:24] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?q=amarok+pulseaudio&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[05:25] <DanaG> er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/85791
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85791 in amarok "Amarok loops through all songs when the sound device isn't available" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:25] <DanaG> Or better: http://www.google.com/search?q=amarok+pulseaudio&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[05:27] <joeamined> hi
[05:28] <joeamined> i have a nvidia geforce go 7400, should i use ndivia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?
[05:33] <DanaG> Amarok often freezes on pause/resume.
[05:43] <gaminggeek> Hey there
[05:44] <gaminggeek> I'm having problems with azureus
[05:44] <IntuitiveNipple> Hi gaminggeek - more problems?
[05:44] <IntuitiveNipple> not starting?
[05:46] <gaminggeek> rImpl::getSingleton::60,CryptoManagerFactory::getSingleton::33,AzureusCoreImpl::<init>::155,AzureusCoreImpl::create::92,AzureusCoreFactory::create::46,Main::<init>::143,Main::main::162
[05:46] <gaminggeek> Aborted (core dumped)
[05:46] <gaminggeek> I think it might be my java version
[05:46] <IntuitiveNipple> when does that happen? when the splash-screen is coming up?
[05:46] <gaminggeek> it shows the splash
[05:47] <gaminggeek> and the main window for less than a second the crashes
[05:47] <kalpik> gaminggeek, do you have the azureus from the repos?
[05:47] <gaminggeek> ja
[05:47] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, I had that. I simply moved ~/.azueus directory to ~/.azureus-old
[05:47] <IntuitiveNipple> It was something in the older config
[05:48] <kalpik> gaminggeek, the version from the repos always has problems.. try the one from the azureus site
[05:48] <kalpik> IntuitiveNipple, yeah.. rm -r .azureus/logs does the trick
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> (I wish I could type without spellung mistaks!)
[05:49] <kalpik> no need to remove all settings
[05:49] <CountX> can someone help me change the permissions of a fold?
[05:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Cooor! yesterday's daily looks like it may be the first Gutsy Desktop CD to load the Vaio notebooks
[05:49] <IntuitiveNipple> kalpik: I didn't have time to mess about; it solved the issue :)
[05:50] <kalpik> IntuitiveNipple, yeah.. but only the version from the repos messes up from time to time.. the one from azureus.sf.net never does that
[05:53] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh I see... well, I rarely use it so it wasn't important
[05:54] <gaminggeek> removing the logs fixed it
[05:54] <gaminggeek> thank you!
[05:55] <kalpik> gaminggeek, you are welcome :)
[05:55] <gaminggeek> but it just crashed again :(
[05:56] <kalpik> gaminggeek, i'd suggest you to get the one from azureus.sf.net
[05:56] <gaminggeek> gah
[05:56] <gaminggeek> do they have a repo
[05:57] <gaminggeek> I kinda dont want to go installing un managed stuff this early in the install :)
[05:57] <kalpik> gaminggeek, no.. download the tar.gz and extract it!
[05:57] <kalpik> that's all
[05:57] <IntuitiveNipple> It's Java :)
[05:57] <gaminggeek> I might try deluge
[05:57] <RAOF> Good plan.  It works.
[05:57] <gaminggeek> who packages azureus anyway?
[05:57] <kalpik> gaminggeek, it has no dependancy! nothing un-managed about it!
[05:58] <kalpik> gaminggeek, the one in the ubuntu repos is compiled using free java, and not sun java.. that's the problem
[05:58] <gaminggeek> yea but what if there is an update or I want to remove it
[05:58] <RAOF> gaminggeek: Only insane people.  The package is lovecraftian in it's subtly.
[05:58] <kalpik> gaminggeek, just delete the directory!
[05:59] <gaminggeek> pah
[05:59] <gaminggeek> I will just try deluge again
[05:59] <RAOF> kalpik: Actually, it gets compiled to native code, so *should* be faster.  Possibly.
[05:59] <gaminggeek> what torrent clients do you use?
[05:59] <TerraMaster> When I try to run an app in wine I get: MIcrosoft Visual C++ Runtime error - R6025 ~ Pure virtual function call This is when running a mmorpg called Lunia
[05:59] <kalpik> RAOF, i didnt exactly get that
[06:00] <gaminggeek> TerraMaster: #winehq might be able to help you
[06:00] <TerraMaster> ok then
[06:01] <TerraMaster> nobody is there
[06:01] <gaminggeek> really?
[06:01] <TerraMaster> yup just me
[06:01] <kalpik> TerraMaster, try #wine
[06:01] <RAOF> kalpik: What do you mean?
[06:01] <gaminggeek> #winehq has 166 people in it
[06:02] <kalpik> RAOF, why would the free java one run better than the sun java version?!
[06:03] <RAOF> kalpik: Becase the free java one gets compiled to native code.  The sun java one gets compiled to Java bytecode which then gets run on a VM.
[06:03] <RAOF> That's the theory, at least
[06:03] <kalpik> RAOF, the free java one compiles to native code?!!! i really dont believe that! do you have a link supporting it?
[06:04] <RAOF> kalpik: Well, the free one can do both.  It can build to native code, or to bytecode.
[06:04] <RAOF> Let me check...
[06:04] <kalpik> RAOF, but if you compile to native code, that beats the whole concept behind java!
[06:05] <RAOF> kalpik: man gcj ;)
[06:06] <kalpik> No manual entry for gcj
[06:06] <kalpik> :(
[06:06] <RAOF> kalpik: Not really.  Build once, run anywhere is only really useful when your on a stupid operating system (read: one without a package manager :P)
[06:06] <RAOF> kalpik: Ah.  "aptitude show gcj"?
[06:07] <kalpik> GCJ is a front end to the GCC compiler which can natively compile both Java(tm)
[06:07] <kalpik>  source and bytecode files. The compiler can also generate class files.
[06:07] <kalpik> the keyword here is "natively comile"
[06:07] <kalpik> not compile to native code! :P
[06:09] <kalpik> RAOF, its not just build once run anywhere.. its also about the security and robustness of java
[06:09] <RAOF> Which is unaffected by compiling to native code.
[06:09] <RAOF> Also, since it explicitly says it can *also* generate class files, which are bytecode, my "native code" stands :P
[06:10] <kalpik> RAOF, it is! the whole concept of security is there because java runs inside the VM.. the VM has FULL control over what the code does.. how can you put security checks on code that's running natively?
[06:10] <RAOF> By building in those checks.
[06:11] <kalpik> RAOF, no.. that's not the point.. then that logic stands for EVERY language out there!
[06:11] <TerraMaster> I AM SO BORED!
[06:11] <RAOF> kalpik: Yes, indeed.
[06:11] <RAOF> kalpik: There's nothing magical about running in a VM.
[06:11] <kalpik> RAOF, the basic argument is if it doesnt run inside the VM, its not java :P
[06:12] <TerraMaster> I really wish I knew and understood what you are all are talking about
[06:12] <RAOF> It's certainly not bytecode :)
[06:12] <kalpik> and ill not be convinced till you give me a more concrete proof :P
[06:13] <RAOF> Of safety, or native-code-ness
[06:13] <kalpik> both :P
[06:13] <kalpik> RAOF, http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1997/jw-08-hood.html
[06:15] <rathel> lol How wold I join another server using xchat?
[06:16] <kalpik> RAOF, hmm.. guess im wrong :P http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-native.html
[06:17] <kalpik> RAOF, from the link: I compiled prime.java into a native executable with the command:
[06:17] <kalpik> gcj prime.java -O3 --main=prime -o prime
[06:17] <kalpik> but still "As should be apparent from the above test results, the success or failure of Java native compilation is far from clear cut."
[06:27] <gaminggeek> anyone else have opengl apps go REALLY slowly under compiz
[06:27] <gaminggeek> not just slightly slowly like I had in feisty
[06:29] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[06:31] <gaminggeek> known bug then?
[06:36] <CountX> !h.264
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about h.264 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <IntuitiveNipple> gaminggeek: Something has slowed down dramatically - it was running at least 6x faster last time I checked
[06:42] <gaminggeek> the speed of the acctually desktop seems faster but the opengl apps are much slower :(
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> gaminggeek: add a comment to the bug I've created:  bug #141649
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141649 in compiz "GLX applications very slow with Compiz enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141649
[06:51] <gaminggeek> ok
[06:51] <gaminggeek> gotta make an account first
[06:55] <gaminggeek> ok replayed
[06:59] <gaminggeek> wow the people in #deluge are quite rude
[07:00] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: developers are not used to be polite
[07:01] <gaminggeek> heh
[07:01] <gaminggeek> well they should get used to it
[07:01] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: this is pretty understandable... they just grew up as misunderstanded kids... they are not too used to be kind or loved :P
[07:02] <Hobbsee> KurtKraut: uh...
[07:02] <gaminggeek> and stop treating their potential users and support community like they are retarded
[07:02] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: yes, that happens :P
[07:03] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: in the OpenSolaris community they have different roles... the developer is the guy who codes. The supporters are the guys that help things to be done, distributed, translated or used.
[07:03] <KurtKraut> Hobbsee: I do agree that. That's why I see the role of the 'supporter' an important role that must exist apart from the developer.
[07:04] <gaminggeek> yes
[07:05] <KurtKraut> Hobbsee: I think that most of the developers are humans... but I'm not sure about all of them :P
[07:06] <Hobbsee> however, at this point, i'll assume that you two are interested in doing the bug triage.  i look forward to seeing hwo much you get done.
[07:06] <KurtKraut> Hobbsee: you're right. I'll but Gutsy right now. Just finished install.
[07:06] <KurtKraut> see ya
[07:06] <KurtKraut> s/but/boot
[07:09] <CountX> what linux kernel are we at?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.22-11-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 44/61GB, RAM: 951/2018MB, 130 proc's, 1.33h up
[07:10] <CountX> im getting 2.6.22.12.14 in the update manager
[07:10] <CountX> just wanted to check before updating
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yeah, i havent upgraded yet.
[07:10] <CountX> !info linux-generic
[07:10] <ubotu> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.22.12.14 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[07:10] <kalpik> CountX, im at 2.6.22-12-generic
[07:11] <CountX> hmm
[07:11] <CountX> ok
[07:16] <KurtKraut> wooho... I'm getting many screen glitches with Gutsy
[07:17] <gaminggeek> KurtKraut: same here
[07:18] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: I've already reported that, right ?
[07:18] <gaminggeek> no idea
[07:18] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: did you reported it in launchpad.net ?
[07:19] <gaminggeek> what screen glitches did you have?
[07:20] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: let me show a screen shot
[07:21] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7199/capturadatela4iv1.png
[07:22] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: look to the icons at the top menu and in the left bottom too
[07:22] <gaminggeek> oh thats not pretty
[07:22] <gaminggeek> but not the problem I had
[07:25] <gaminggeek> my problem was when I installed and enabled the nvidia driver it screwed over my resolution
[07:28] <Alpha_Cluster> is there any way to install vmware-player in gutsy without compiling the kernel module yourself?
[07:30] <gaminggeek> isnt vmware player in the repos?
[07:31] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah but if i try and install it says i have unmet dependences when i use aptitude and in adept it says its guna break
[07:35] <gaminggeek> oh dear
[07:35] <gaminggeek> have you posted a bug?
[07:35] <Alpha_Cluster> no
[07:35] <Alpha_Cluster> should i?
[07:35] <gaminggeek> probably
[07:36] <Alpha_Cluster> ok ill do that then
[07:36] <Alpha_Cluster> oh its alreayd reported but #124775
[07:36] <gaminggeek> ok then
[07:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Alpha_Cluster: add a comment/subscribe to the bug so you will know when things change
[07:37] <Alpha_Cluster> yep was just guna do that
[07:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm getting tried of burning daily CD images!
[07:39] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[07:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Testing
[07:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Doing yesterday's alternate image atm
[07:40] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh
[07:40] <Alpha_Cluster> i seriously think thso vmware thing is bad
[07:40] <Alpha_Cluster> this bug is almost 3 months old
[07:42] <IntuitiveNipple> I installed vmware server last week, and used the any-any 113 patch, and that built fine
[07:42] <rathel> mplayer using gl2 + compiz crashes X. Anyone else having this problem?
[07:43] <gaminggeek> rathel: why arent you using xv?
[07:43] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i really didnt want to have to install server because i dont like not having apt controling something it should
[07:43] <rathel> gaminggeek, Because full screen doesn't work.
[07:44] <gaminggeek> doesnt it?
[07:44] <gaminggeek> what graphics card?
[07:44] <rathel> gaminggeek, ATI Radeon 9700.
[07:44] <gaminggeek> oh boy
[07:44] <rathel> Everything worked on fiesty.
[07:45] <gaminggeek> have you filed a bug then>
[07:45] <rathel> Not yet, thought I'd come here first.
[07:47] <gaminggeek> does totem work?
[07:48] <rathel> gaminggeek, let me check really quick.
[07:49] <rathel> gaminggeek, totem seems to work.
[07:49] <gaminggeek> ok then
[07:50] <Alpha_Cluster> is it compiz that is breaking it?
[07:50] <gaminggeek> well use totem in the mean time and just submit a bug
[07:59] <pschulz01> Greetings. Upgrading.. what is the best/correct way to upgrade feisty to gutsy?
[08:01] <nomasteryoda> !upgrading
[08:01] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:01] <nomasteryoda> =D
[08:02] <pschulz01> nomasteryoda: Ok.. so where is the 'From 7.04 to 7.10' entry :-)
[08:02] <nomasteryoda> good question
[08:02] <nomasteryoda> i always do it the hard way
[08:02] <pschulz01> nomasteryoda: Yeah.. same here.
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> then one more time if something got dorked...
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> and if i like, then i remove all but one of the previous kernels .. compelete remove with adept_manager that is
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> good luck... i'm running 3 systems here that were upgraded
[08:04] <pschulz01> Step 0: edit sources.list
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> and one external drive that i just put feisty on 3 days ago... now its gutsy too
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> =D
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> ya
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> oh ya
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> kate or gdit /etc/apt/sources.list ... then replace all feisty with gutsy...
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> the real way will be after release date
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> it will then just get that for you and start the process
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> i had over 1000 pkgs to upgrade on my desktop
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> 800+ on another laptop
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> well, nn
[08:07] <tekhawk> anyone know if gutsy has twofish256 support
[08:10] <pschulz01> nomasteryoda: I want to test some stuff.. mediawiki install is currently broken..
[08:13] <tekhawk> both crypt libs say they support twofish does anyone know if that includes 256 if it does not anyidea how hard adding that support would be
[08:18] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: type uname -a and paste here
[08:18] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: I managed to fix my problem
[08:19] <gaminggeek> cool
[08:19] <gaminggeek> why do I need to do you uname?
[08:19] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: why don't you just paste it instead of asking ? :P I want to know what kernel version you're running
[08:20] <gaminggeek> Linux tycho 2.6.22-11-generic #1 SMP Mon Sep 17 03:45:58 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:20] <gaminggeek> I dont have the problem you where having
[08:20] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: that's the right one.
[08:20] <gaminggeek> unless you mean the slow compiz
[08:20] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: I was getting a slow screen output too
[08:20] <gaminggeek> ah
[08:20] <gaminggeek> whats the problem
[08:22] <KurtKraut> but now my soundcard does not work :P
[08:22] <gaminggeek> oh no :(
[08:23] <tekhawk> anyone know if there is a package to provide loop_fish2 mod
[08:25] <gaminggeek> so what is the problem KurtKraut
[08:25] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: there is bad dependencies set to linux-image
[08:25] <KurtKraut> gaminggeek: but your problem is not related to it
[08:25] <gaminggeek> ah
[08:25] <gaminggeek> oh ok
[08:30] <tekhawk> ok i think im totally screwed does ubuntu support reiserfs....
[08:31] <gaminggeek> which one?
[08:31] <tekhawk> not sure the one used in opensuse 10.2
[08:31] <tekhawk> think 3
[08:32] <gaminggeek> it should support 3
[08:32] <gaminggeek> I used it in dapper I thing
[08:32] <gaminggeek> *think
[08:32] <tekhawk> most my data such as music and personal docs are on a usb drive reiserfs (3) twofish256 crypt....
[08:33] <gaminggeek> oh
[08:34] <tekhawk> and i cant find anyway to add twofish256 support it seems or its the reiserfs support that missing *head desk*
[08:34] <tekhawk> without reinstalling suse it seems my photos and music are lost
[08:34] <gaminggeek> :/
[08:35] <gaminggeek> reiser 3 should be supported
[08:36] <tekhawk> stupid fish....****
[08:40] <tekhawk> by any chance does anyone in here know about losetup ive never got this error before
[08:40] <tekhawk> ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: No such file or directory
[08:41] <KurtKraut> compiz is unable to be loaded. When I log to gutsy I have no window borders
[08:41] <KurtKraut> I'm getting this:
[08:41] <KurtKraut> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: dlsym: /usr/lib/compiz/libccp.so: undefined symbol: getCompPluginInfo20070830
[08:41] <KurtKraut> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'
[08:48] <bXi> hi
[08:48] <bXi> are there known issues with mysql5 in the gutsy repositories?
[08:48] <tekhawk> not that ive seen sept purging it doesnt work
[08:50] <tekhawk> ; ; and a vm wont have raw access to the usb drive to do it
[08:58] <tekhawk> right ill stay here with the nice folks that run dev version the main irc not so nice sounding lol
[09:12] <jscinoz> what was chmod 776 again? rwx, rwx rw?
[09:12] <tekhawk> sounds right
[09:12] <musikgoat> anyone here use tilda?
[09:13] <tekhawk> is it O/G/E or E/G/O
[09:13] <Tim__> Hello, does anyone know how I would get my gnome panels to not zoom out when using the Rotate Cube plugin in Compiz Fusion? Like, when I use it, the panels zoom out, but the windows stay in the same spot. This causes me to have to wait for the panels to slowly come back after zooming into one desktop, which is annoying.
[09:13] <Pumpernickel> tekhawk: owner, group, everyone
[09:13] <tekhawk> darn EGO so much easier to remember
[09:14] <tekhawk> Tim__ you have to zoom out to spin cube asfar as i know
[09:14] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: whats wrong
[09:15] <IntuitiveNipple> tekhawk: Seems like everything that can go wrong with the daily CDs (desktop and alternate) is doing!
[09:15] <Tim__> No, just the panels would go way far out, and I'd have to wait for them to come back. I figured it out though. Thanks anyways. :P
[09:16] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: maybe you would know is there anyway to ready twofish256 crypt partitions in gutsy
[09:16] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: yea gnome-system-monitor was running away on me earlier with compiz
[09:18] <IntuitiveNipple> I think it is possible with cryptsetup, if you load the module
[09:19] <tekhawk> IntuitiveNipple: havnt been able to find much help on it but it seems the module isnt in apt or im getting this odd error
[09:19] <tekhawk> :/dev$ sudo losetup -e twofish256 /dev/loop4 /dev/sdb1
[09:19] <tekhawk> Password:
[09:19] <tekhawk> ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: No such file or directory
[09:20] <tekhawk> never seen that before thought maybe youve used crypts before if not thanks anyways lol
[09:20] <IntuitiveNipple> I think the twofish256 might be SUSE-specific from what I've just read, though
[09:20] <tekhawk> might just have to install opensuse on some junker to get those pictures off
[09:21] <tekhawk> and music
[09:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I use LUKS for the portables and external drives
[09:21] <tekhawk> and invoices
[09:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I have a key-file on a USB key rather than passwords
[09:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you install it into a VM and do it?
[09:21] <tekhawk> think i need raw access
[09:21] <tekhawk> might be wrong thoug
[09:22] <tekhawk> LUKS is that pretty cross distro friendly
[09:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Linux Unified Key Setup
[09:23] <tekhawk> really want to try that usb file key idea always wanted to do it but was still green with losetup when i was intrested is messing with it
[09:23] <tekhawk> LOL ill take that as a big yet thank you lol
[09:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Support for it has been added to cryptsetup, and it is integrated into Gnome
[09:23] <tekhawk> nice
[09:24] <IntuitiveNipple> I've produced a couple of patches for a hal script, and gnome-mount, to enable keyfile auto-mounting
[09:25] <gaminggeek> does gutsy have CFS?
[09:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Bug #133520
[09:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133520 in hal "hal: Patch to auto-mount LUKS key-file encrypted volumes" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133520
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[10:35] <GNine> how effective is to try gutsy right now
[10:39] <Strangelv> GNine: I installed Tribe 5 of Gutsy on this machine
[10:39] <Warbo> Hi, is anyone experiencing problems with GNOME applications crashing? Epiphany, Evolution and even the GNOME panel become unresponsive (and Compiz desatuates them)
[10:39] <Strangelv> "the only problem is the video is messed up
[10:40] <Warbo> I think it would be a GTK problem, but have no idea what to search for/report in a bug report
[10:40] <GNine> how is networking on beta
[10:40] <Strangelv> GNine: I've just installed the snapshot of the 18th on my Compaq notebook, but I have'nt had time to run into problems other than having needed to disable APIC during the install
[10:41] <Strangelv> My wired ethernet is working just fine
[10:41] <GNine> APIC or APCI?
[10:41] <Strangelv> I've never managed to get wireless to work under any circomstances anywhere
[01:11] <nysosym> hi there
[01:11] <nysosym> has anyone tested the latest gutsy version on a macbook c2d?
[01:23] <nysosym> nobody?
[01:23] <penguincentral> hi
[01:23] <penguincentral> what's up nysosym
[01:23] <nysosym> has anyone tested the latest gutsy version on a macbook c2d?
[01:23] <penguincentral> nysosym: you have a macbook?
[01:24] <nysosym> sure
[01:24] <penguincentral> nysosym: i am envious of you
[01:25] <nysosym> why?
[01:25] <penguincentral> nysosym: I want one, but I can't get it
[01:25] <penguincentral> :(
[01:27] <penguincentral> nysosym: i don't think anyone has done a test.  Try the forums
[01:28] <penguincentral> nysosym: what is the macbook like?
[01:29] <nysosym> sry, i don't understand
[01:30] <penguincentral> nysosym: is the macbook any good? what do you like about it?
[01:31] <Tomcat_> Should be quite good with gutsy...
[01:31] <Tomcat_> Because the wireless lan driver is included. ;)
[01:31] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: lol
[01:31] <nysosym> ohh i love it, it's fast as hell, it's very silent, very well designed :D
[01:31] <Tomcat_> I'm recommending the Dell Ubuntu notebook now... got one myself. ;)
[01:31] <nysosym> Tomcat_: really the recent svn version of madwifi? :)
[01:31] <Tomcat_> It's not 100% as good, but nearly as good as a MacBook.
[01:32] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: I am an australian, and the airheads at dell haven't released it over here :(
[01:32] <Tomcat_> nysosym: Eh... no idea. I only heard it worked well with gutsy.
[01:32] <Tomcat_> penguincentral: :( Tried HP? They are supposed to sell FC notebooks in AUS...
[01:32] <nysosym> Tomcat_: fine i will test it :)
[01:33] <Tomcat_> I'm quite surprised myself that the offer came so quickly to Germany...
[01:33] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: nah, I'd rather Ubuntu ;)
[01:33] <Tomcat_> Well, it's both Linux... you'll just install Ubuntu when you get it. ;D
[01:34] <AnRkey> Tomcat_, just order the laptop without and OS and put gutsy on it
[01:34] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: looking at hp.com.au at the moment, have a look and see if you can find an ubuntu computer there
[01:34] <AnRkey> Dell gives u that option
[01:35] <AnRkey> Tomcat_, if u order without an OS they put freedos on for u
[01:35] <penguincentral> AnRkey: to find that it is rare (coming from my experience).  I question if dell actually does that
[01:35] <AnRkey> they do i checked
[01:35] <Tomcat_> penguincentral: Best guess (and it worked): hp.com.au/linux :) Have to check if there's a notebook.
[01:35] <Tomcat_> AnRkey: Yes, but I'd rather buy Ubuntu and by that way tell them that I like Ubuntu on my laptop ;)
[01:35] <AnRkey> k
[01:35] <penguincentral> AnRkey: Freedos, yes. Tomcat_: agreed
[01:36] <AnRkey> penguincentral, is that what those symbols are
[01:36] <AnRkey> it's text, woohoo, :D
[01:36] <penguincentral> what symbols?
[01:36] <AnRkey> ok rebooting quick
[01:36] <AnRkey> brb
[01:36] <penguincentral> ok
[01:37] <Tomcat_> penguincentral: If you click around a bit on the HP Linux site, you'll see offers for notebooks with RHEL.
[01:37] <Tomcat_> nc8000, nw8000 and nw8240
[01:37] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: RHEL? Who cares man.  I'd rather Ubuntu to be honest
[01:37] <penguincentral> I think i'd be better getting those freedos laptops...
[01:38] <Tomcat_> penguincentral: Red Hat Enterprise Linux... well, if there's no offers for Ubuntu, it's still better to get RHEL than Windows. And then just install Ubuntu at home.
[01:38] <penguincentral> Tomcat_: true, and w/o the microsoft tax :D
[01:40] <mewt> im trying to run super maryo chronicles
[01:40] <mewt> and im getting this error
[01:41] <mewt> mewt@tehgraveyard:~$ smc
[01:41] <mewt> CEGUI::Exception: DynamicModule::DynamicModule - Failed to load module 'libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so': libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:41] <mewt> CEGUI Exception occurred : DynamicModule::DynamicModule - Failed to load module 'libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so': libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:41] <mewt> any ideas ?
[01:41] <asisak> mewt: you need to install libcegui-mk2-dev
[01:41] <penguincentral> mewt: have no idea.  Is it one of those ROM thingies?
[01:41] <asisak> mewt: it is a known bug, it hopefully gets fixed soon
[01:41] <mewt> penguincentral, no it's installed from repos directly
[01:42] <mewt> asisak, ah ok thanks
[01:42] <asisak> mewt: but installing the -dev package should work as a workaround
[01:42] <penguincentral> mewt, thanks
[01:43] <mewt> second thing, after the latest update, im getting black boxes when i hover over an item instead of the usual tooltips
[01:43] <mewt> anyone got this ?
[01:47] <Enselic> trackerd has run for like weeks, when can I expect it to finnish?
[01:47] <Enselic> taking up one of my CPU cores 100%
[01:48] <mooper> hi, does anyone know what the vmware repository is? I have seen a vmware.com one. The ubuntu commercial repository seems broken.
[01:59] <Balaams_Miracle> Amaranth: Don't know if you're reading now, but your fix made it to the repos already
[01:59] <Amaranth> Balaams_Miracle: yeah
[01:59] <Amaranth> compiz gets to break beta freeze
[02:00] <Balaams_Miracle> And rightfully so :-)
[02:04] <Balaams_Miracle> I can't download and GPL'ed themes with Emerald though, and they do not seem to be available in the repos either.
[02:06] <Balaams_Miracle> Amaranth: I get a 'connection refused' on svn.beryl-project.org when i try to download through Emerald.
[02:06] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[02:06] <Amaranth> i know svn.beryl-project.org no longer exists
[02:06] <Amaranth> it's git.compiz-fusion.org
[02:07] <Balaams_Miracle> Ah, that would be my next question, it seems that i'm using an outdated Emerald
[02:07] <uga> guys, I'm planning on a box upgrade, but I'd like to remove those packages no more found on the repositories (only existing in feisty repos). Is there a way to tell which are those unmaintained packages?
[02:07] <uga> else it can be a security issue
[02:07] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: you are not the only one. it's broken i guess. but i can install emerald themes. it's works.
[02:09] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: Yeah, i now have the non-GPL'ed themes, which did work, but having some GPL'ed ones would have been nice :-)
[02:12] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: did you run the url svn ls https://svn.generation.no/emrald-themes to work?
[02:12] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: yes, but those are non-GPL'ed.
[02:13] <gnubuntu11> ok. just have a try.
[02:13] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: I already told you that they work. So that means that i have them already.
[02:14] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: i mean i will try it myself :)
[02:14] <Balaams_Miracle> Ah, allright
[02:15] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: i get an error: Error calling tar.
[02:16] <Balaams_Miracle> Same here, i guess some of the packages are corrupt in one way or another. But they do work.
[02:16] <Balaams_Miracle> At least on my system they do
[02:16] <gnubuntu11> ok. thanks for the info.
[02:21] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: i cant switch my emerald themes now. how do you switch it?
[02:22] <contrast83> gnubuntu11: emerald theme manager's not working?
[02:22] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: Open emerald-theme-manager, then on the "Themes" tab, click any theme
[02:23] <gnubuntu11> contrast83: not really. i opened the emerald-theme-manager. i can see and click the themes but nothing happened. before i have to use the fusion icon in the panel to switch.
[02:24] <contrast83> gnubuntu11: are you sure Emerald's running? CF defaults to the imitator of your native win-deco if I'm not mistaken
[02:24] <contrast83> gnubuntu11: run emerald --replace
[02:24] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: Did you install compiz from the Ubuntu repos or did you install it some other way?
[02:24] <gnubuntu11> contrast83: yes i am sure. just tested with emerald --replace. that works.
[02:25] <gnubuntu11> so that way i can switch my themes now.
[02:25] <contrast83> erm... ok
[02:25] <contrast83> So problem solved?
[02:25] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: i installed from Ubuntu repos
[02:26] <Balaams_Miracle> gnubuntu11: i don't have a CF-icon in my panel, that's why i asked
[02:27] <gnubuntu11> contrast83:  yes :) thx. but it could be a bit easier to handle with the manager. so the manager doesn't switch automatically.
[02:27] <rothchild> Hi I'm having trouble getting removable usb devices (thumbdrive and usb hard drive) working automatically can anyone advise?
[02:27] <gnubuntu11> Balaams_Miracle: i got it from here: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/08/26/compiz-fusion-tray-icon
[02:28] <contrast83> gnubuntu11: Yeah, never really thought about that, but an Apply button would be nice
[02:28] <rothchild> HAL can see my devices but gnome isn't doing the relevant automagic things
[02:28] <gnubuntu11> contrast83: yes it's easy for me to turn off compiz to run some games. still have problem with the ati driver.
[02:29] <contrast83> I don't care to count the times I spent 15 minutes tweaking an Emerald theme to get it *just* right, then in a momentary lapse of all attention, click a different theme and lose it all
[02:30] <gnubuntu11> contrast83: oh that's sad.
[02:30] <uga> what on earth... I began the upgrade and the first pack listed is...  libc6-i386 2.6.1-1ubuntu7 <-- I'm upgrading on a amd64 box
[02:30] <uga> is there something I'm missing???
[02:30] <contrast83> I made a simple little script that turns Compiz off, opens my file manager to a folder I've got shortcuts to all my games saved in, then turns Compiz back on when I close the file manager. Works well for me.
[02:31] <uga> are those just compatibility libraries?
[02:36] <branstrom> I must say, Compiz is working real smooth since yesterday's update. Something probably got fixed. *Nothing* is choppy or slowed down in any way. Either something happened in the new driver update or something got corrected in Compiz itself.
[02:36] <branstrom> (nvidia card)
[02:38] <branstrom> contrast83: pastie the script please :)
[02:40] <rothchild> hi, can anyone help me with automounting usb devices in gnome?
[02:44] <contrast83> branstrom: one sec...
[02:46] <contrast83> branstrom: what rendering method do you use?
[02:47] <branstrom> Hmm, how do I check that?
[02:47] <contrast83> branstrom: what kind of card do you have?
[02:47] <branstrom> NVidia GF6800
[02:47] <contrast83> ok, cool. that makes it easy
[02:48] <uga> sorry, just "help", without "/"
[02:48] <contrast83> I actually appear to have lost it, but I'll whip it back up real quick. It's only like, 5 lines IIRC
[02:48] <uga> wrong chan...
[02:48] <branstrom> contrast83: okay :)
[02:48] <contrast83> branstrom: GNOME?
[02:48] <branstrom> yup
[02:49] <contrast83> k
[02:50] <contrast83> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38245/
[02:50] <rothchild> !usb
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <contrast83> branstrom: i use that on kde (obviously replacing metacity and nautilus wit kwin and konqueror, respectively), so ymmv
[02:50] <contrast83> s/wit/with
[02:50] <branstrom> contrast83: what does the "ccp" do?
[02:51] <branstrom> contrast83: thanks
[02:51] <contrast83> i don't recall, exactly. it's needed though
[02:51] <contrast83> err, actually, if you're installing from repos, i think it's already included in the wrapper script for compiz, so you could just leave it out
[02:51] <contrast83> np
[02:52] <branstrom> Yeah, I thought so. I've never needed it.
[02:52] <scizzo-> hehe I still get segemntation fault on gtk-window-decorator for compiz
[02:52] <branstrom> I'm on gutsy and before that I used trevinho's feisty repo
[02:55] <scizzo-> seems like I can't start the gtk-window-decorator with compiz.....anyone knows anything about this from the past problems?
[02:56] <rothchild> !gnome-volume-manager
[02:58] <jgm> Hi is anyone else getting segfaults when upgrading linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-generic ?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> jgm: how long ago since you last upgraded?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> prior to l-r-m?
[03:01] <jgm> Hobbsee: 20 minutes ago
[03:01] <Hobbsee> jgm: which version of dpkg do you have?
[03:01] <jgm> 1.14.5ubuntu12 (i386)
[03:02] <jgm> (From dpkg --version)
[03:03] <jgm> But from the package itself: 1.14.5ubuntu16
[03:04] <Hobbsee> wow, ther'es a bug in itself...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hm, that's interesting.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> where doe sit segfault?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> and does it segfault for installing other packages?
[03:04] <jgm> Not that I've seen
[03:05] <jgm> http://pastebin.ca/706972
[03:05] <jgm> Shows what it is doing, looks like it isn't dpkg so much as whatever the module setup script is doing
[03:07] <ubuntututu> Hello. Can anyone help getting Exaile media player to work correctly? The issue I'm having is with shoutcast. I *really* want integrated radio feature to work... GST-bad is installed.
[03:09] <Balaams_Miracle> Does shoutcast work for you with XMMS?
[03:10] <penguincentral> ubuntututu: what isn't working?
[03:10] <ubuntututu> Yes (Audacious also. Always has! (Streamtuner)
[03:11] <Balaams_Miracle> Then all that's left is the possibility that there is something not quite right in Exaile. Either in the settings or in the program itself. I would say it's the program
[03:12] <ubuntututu> peng there are no playlists downloaded when using Exaile radio tab. Also, when playlists have shown (previously), Exaile locks up when trying to play stream...
[03:13] <ubuntututu> This app IS the media player for GNOME environments. Rhythmbox doesn't compare. Ubuntu really need to fix this and make it default.
[03:14] <AnRkey> is anyone else having problems with compiz after the latest updates? I can't change my keyboard shortcuts and the configured ones don't work
[03:15] <jscinoz> Hey guys
[03:15] <jscinoz> Whats new in the .12 kernel?
[03:15] <ubuntututu> Currently I have Audacious, GTKPOD, Streamtuner. For GNOME enviro's, this ancient combination has yet to be superceded. KDE is light years ahead with Amorok.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: lists.ubuntu.com/gutsy-changes
[03:16] <jscinoz> cheers
[03:17] <Balaams_Miracle> ubuntututu: I'm a Gnome user too and i still use AmaroK, IMO there's no other app that can rival it. Not yet anyway
[03:17] <ubuntututu> Anyway, I will add Feisty repo's to my sources.list and try Exaile from there. Here's hoping for a leap in advancement...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: it probably wont work
[03:18] <Balaams_Miracle> ubuntututu: What version are you currently using then?
[03:18] <rothchild> AnRkey i'm finding that pop up window are blacked out since the upgrade
[03:18] <AnRkey> yeah, the new update seems very buggy
[03:19] <ubuntututu> Balaams Yes, exactly. Ubuntu are being very complacent with this.  I am using a custom XFCE4/gutsy enviroment (ostensibly GNOME)
[03:19] <AnRkey> i also can't reset keyboard bindings to defaults
[03:20] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, I am wondering if CF will be ready
[03:20] <contrast83> The only Compiz problems I've had lately is when the latest ati driver broke
[03:20] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: as in, compiz fusion?  it will, when upstream makes it ready.
[03:20] <AnRkey> well compiz was not working at all until this i updated today
[03:20] <ubuntututu> I can't believe that GNOME stick with Rhythmbox...
[03:21] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, yes compiz fusion
[03:21] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: ubuntu keeps takign the svn versions of it
[03:21] <AnRkey> i c
[03:22] <Balaams_Miracle> ubuntututu: Let me try to understand what you just said: You use Xfce4 with Metacity? Or is it Gnome with Xfwm?
[03:22] <rothchild> compiz was working really well for me until today! ;-)
[03:22] <AnRkey> I think it was at it's best two updates ago
[03:22] <ubuntututu> Balaams Yes. Exactly. I have removed xfwm4 to save space for my remaster.
[03:22] <Balaams_Miracle> rothchild: Compiz wasn't working for me at all until today.
[03:23] <rothchild> on my laptop now it won't use the metacity theme at all just emerald
[03:23] <rothchild> but on my desktop it's still using metacity, both have blacked out popup windows / tool tips etc
[03:23] <TerraMaster> Ok.... I cant load the latest kernel
[03:24] <rothchild> laptop = intel i810 desktop = nvidia
[03:24] <AnRkey> well i am gonna get cracking, I wanna find more info to report a bug or two
[03:24] <AnRkey> bbl
[03:24] <ubuntututu> Balaams Any notion of Xubuntu is false. Ubuntu is so GNOME dependant now, there's no difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu to speak of.
[03:25] <TerraMaster> when I run the recovery it says fail to acess /dev/disk/by-uuid/c8b4235db4
[03:25] <ubuntututu> I have XFCE4 cutomised desktop with Thunar. Everything else is GNOME... ;)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: uh, what?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> i thought xubuntu had xfce, not gnome.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> whether Ubuntu itself is gnome-dependant or not is irrelevant for xubuntu...
[03:26] <Balaams_Miracle> ubuntututu: Depending on your IRC program, you can expand names by typing part of the name, then hit tab. Full names are easier to spot.
[03:27] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee Look under the hood.
[03:27] <ubuntututu> Balaams_Miracle,  Oh yes! Thankyou Lol
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: ie, with no X, then you get a normal system, just like kubuntu and ubuntu
[03:27] <ubuntututu> Balaams_Miracle,  I am using Xchat
[03:28] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee,  Pretty much, yes.. :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: and this is a problem?
[03:28] <Balaams_Miracle> ubuntututu: I agree that Xubuntu is very much "contaminated" with Gnome stuff. But the WM defaults to using Xfwm, xfdesktop and so forth
[03:29] <j4ne> hi, i cannot upgrade my gutsy ... E: Le paquet linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic doit tre rinstall, mais je ne parviens pas  trouver son archive. can you help me ?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> j4ne: mind translating that to english?
[03:29] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee,  For instance, if you are remastering, you need Ubiquity installer. This requires GNOME Control Center and I think Metacity.
[03:29] <ubuntututu> There's no escape. Lol
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: unless you're using the kde version.  writing an xfce-version would be possible, if you wanted to do it.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> s/version/front end/
[03:30] <j4ne> Hobbsee: the package linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic must be reinstalled. but i cannot find the archive
[03:30] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee,  I prefer GTK apps. KDE is good, but GTK is my preferred environment.
[03:30] <j4ne> this message appear when i use : apt-get upgrade
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: doing support? ;)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: which is probably why you use xfce
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: not usually. only in pieces.
[03:31] <Xero> Hobbsee, are there any tweaks to make an old NVidia card (PCI) run a bit faster?
[03:31] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh while you're doing support, do you know if there's any reasonable way to use a custom program in KDE's spell checking component?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Xero: intel cards are good.
[03:32] <ubuntututu> Hobsee Yes. GNOME is nice don't get me wrong, but XFCE4 has lighter desktop dependacies, not to mention cpu uses
[03:32] <Hobbsee> LjL: i'd expect so
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ubuntututu: nick completion is your friend.
[03:32] <j4ne> nobody have the same problem for upgrade ?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> er, tab completion
[03:32] <Balaams_Miracle> j4ne: try using "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see what happens
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:32] <Xero> Hobbsee, I don't have an Intel. I have an nVidia.
[03:32] <ubuntututu> Lol
[03:32] <j4ne> Balaams_Miracle: no working :/
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> Xero: TNT2? or GEfore?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Xero: i realise that, but i have an intel card.  hence, randomly aksing questions of me about a particular type of card is likely unhelpful.  better to ask to the channel in general.
[03:33] <LjL> Hobbsee: couldn't find much... of course i could just put a bash script at /usr/bin/aspell, but that doesn't seem exactly elegant. i assume you have current KDE4 available?
[03:33] <ubuntututu> Tab tab tab tab...  repeat two hundred times before going home
[03:33] <Balaams_Miracle> j4ne: What kind of error are you getting? And from what repos is it trying to download?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> LjL: i'm not running it, i havent downloaded it.
[03:33] <Xero> nosrednaekim, GeForce4 MX4000
[03:33] <Xero> It wasn't as old as you thought, but its still old.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> j4ne: you've cleared your apt-cache, presumably.
[03:34] <j4ne> Balaams_Miracle: the repository is http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/. the return value of apt is 100
[03:34] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh, ok. neither have i, was just curious if by any chance they'd added per-program language selection to the spell checker (which is basically what i'd like to achieve)
[03:34] <LjL> actually, more per-textbox than per-program
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: wouldnt surprise me
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Balaams_Miracle: that package wouldnt be in the ubuntu repos anymore.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Bug 128126
[03:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128126 in soyuz "process-death-row should run across PPAs" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128126
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Bug 116309
[03:36] <Balaams_Miracle> j4ne: You should try changing your repos to something closer to home. Something like ubutnu.univ-nantes.fr or have Synaptic seach for a fast one.
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116309 in soyuz "LP: #nnnn should be linked to the bug report." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116309
[03:37] <Hobbsee> bug 117055
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117055 in malone "launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug doesn't handle binary package searches (dup-of: 121242)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117055
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121242 in malone "Global bug-reporting form doesn't recognize binary packages" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121242
[03:38] <Hobbsee> bug 121242
[03:55] <rempresent> nice
[03:55] <ShackJack> Hey all - just wondering what's the deal with Desktop effects automatically starting Emerald - I don't tell it anywhere to start it (i.e. in Window Dec plugin)... Do I have to uninstall Emerald or something to revert to metacity?
[04:01] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee,  Balaams_Miracle  Solution found! (Exaile) Install Feisty version Exaile 2.8 and ugly plugins! :)
[04:04] <AnRkey> ok compiz-fusion hates me
[04:05] <ubuntututu> Hobbsee, Balaams_Miracle Note:- All python and gstreamer dependencies for Gutsy are being used with Feisty Exaile 2.8.. ;)
[04:06] <AnRkey> ok be back later
[04:07] <chrisjs169|winxp> All packages are up to date, and I'm using the latest kernel - XChat no longer connects to Freenode (stops are "Checking ident") and auto-mounting doesn't work anymore for USB devices (not sure about other devices).  Doing "mount -o fmask=777 -o dmask=777 /dev/sdX1 /media/USB" has always worked when there was some sort of problem with automounting, but now that doesn't work either
[04:08] <chrisjs169|winxp> -o dmask=777 is now causing /media/USB to be chmod'd to 000, owned by root
[04:08] <Dr_willis> ive always seen umask=0002 used. never 777 interesting
[04:09] <jscinoz> whats the forth value  for?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> chrisjs169|winxp: does that above command work when you do it with sudo?
[04:10] <chrisjs169|winxp> nosrednaekim: what, mount -o [...] ?  It mounts the device, but it causes the mounted directory to be chmod'd to 000
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> oh...
[04:12] <rothchild> I've got no usb automounting too
[04:12] <rothchild> although pmount-hal /dev/sd* seems to work
[04:12] <chrisjs169|winxp> having to use root just to list the contents isn't what I consider to be normal ;)
[04:13] <void^> like umask, dmask/fmask set the bits that should not be set. so 777 results in 000.
[04:14] <chrisjs169|winxp> rothchild: pmount-hal seems to work on mine as well
[04:15] <chrisjs169|winxp> void^: I don't exactly understand what you mean
[04:15] <mnemo> when will the next tribe be released?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> mnemo: I think its going to be a beta..
[04:15] <rothchild> I don't know how to safely unmount though?
[04:16] <void^> chrisjs169|winxp: with umask you specify the bits you don't want to be set. umask=111 results in 666 actual permissions, and so on.
[04:16] <mnemo> nosrednaekim: aha ok, so approximately when will it drop?
[04:16] <rothchild> + it doesn't give me a desktop icon etc
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> !roadmap
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about roadmap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> !gutsy
[04:17] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> i'm thinking pretty soon.
[04:18] <chrisjs169|winxp> void^: ok, it just seems that dmask/fmask=777 has always been fine
[04:18] <branstrom> Sometimes when I come back to my computer, the screen is blank, only the cursor is visible. I guessed that the dialog for unlocking was just hidden somehow, and yeah, apparently that is what happens, because when I enter my password and press enter, it unlocks. Maybe it's something with Compiz Fusion... Does anyone else have this problem?
[04:18] <rothchild> oh ok pumount /dev/sd* easy really
[04:19] <chrisjs169|winxp> yeah, it's not hard to do that, I'm just used to auto-mounting
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> branstrom: yeah probably compiz.
[04:19] <branstrom> nosrednaekim: yeah...
[04:20] <mnemo> ah gutsy beta release is 27th (just 5 days left)
[04:20] <rothchild> same here, i've found usb automounting to be pretty flakey since after dapper
[04:21] <chrisjs169|winxp> it's been mostly stable for me, except for the past few days
[04:33] <corevette> is this the new theme? http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18656/Ubuntu-One-More-Release-Yet-More-Polish/
[04:35] <rocky> has anyone seen anything like this?
[04:35] <rocky> rocky@zebrax:~$ sudo /sbin/route
[04:35] <rocky> /sbin/route: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
[04:37] <Hobbsee> rocky: head /sbin/route gives you what?
[04:37] <rocky> a bunch of binary contnet
[04:37] <rocky> *content
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> what about just plain "route"
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> ussually you don't need sudo for that.
[04:38] <rocky> rocky@zebrax:~$ route
[04:38] <rocky> bash: /sbin/route: cannot execute binary file
[04:38] <Hobbsee> rocky: try reinstalling net-tools?
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> chmod it +x?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: there's a thought.
[04:40] <rocky> it's already +x
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> rats.
[04:40] <rocky> reinstalling net-tools did the trick, thx
[04:49] <Lynoure> Any reason today would be a bad bay to upgrade to gutsy?
[04:51] <_snow_blind_> hello everyone. I'm having problems with DMA on my dvdrom... if i try to enable it i get this error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[04:52] <_snow_blind_> oh, i get that when i try to use hdparm
[05:04] <leperkhanz> DAMN!  Just updated, got new nvidia drivers, etc... STILL no direct rendering.
[05:04] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: maybe it doesn't support DMA?
[05:07] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: The DMA issu is just a guess after lots of google-ing, I cannot play a dvd in any media player.... It starts and then crashes. I'm pretty sure it does support support DMA in windows
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> humm
[05:09] <_snow_blind_> actually maybe it's not a DMA issue, I just tried playing a .vob from a movie and that played fine
[05:10] <_snow_blind_> and dmesg gives an error on device sr0??? that's weird....
[05:10] <unf> hello
[05:10] <unf> any website that tells how to run gutsy's kde4?
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> unf: yeah... go to the kubuntu homepage.
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> unf: the instructions(minus getting the packages) are the same
[05:12] <unf> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php this?
[05:12] <unf> this is for feisty
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> I think you want the beta2 page though
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> thats fine.
[05:14] <fignew> lol Lynoure :)
[05:15] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: do you know what a typical dvdrom entry in the fstab should look like? I don't think mine is right..
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> I can give you mine
[05:15] <_snow_blind_> that would be great if you could, thanks :)
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> yup... /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[05:17] <_snow_blind_> hmm... i thought it should have been /dev/hd* ..... here's mine
[05:17] <_snow_blind_> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[05:17] <limetang> I want to run Irssi in a virtual console, so if I restart X, it'll keep running. Is there a way to access this virtual console in GNOME?
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: weird..
[05:18] <_snow_blind_> hmm.... looks like it's back to google...., cheers mate :)
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: try putting mine in there...
[05:19] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: sure can't hurt i guess, I'll just check if there is such a device and if it's not being used first
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... is your dvd drive serial ATA?
[05:22] <_snow_blind_> scsi i thought, although i'm probably wrong.
[05:23] <void^> limetang: you want to learn about screen
[05:24] <atlfalcons866> can i install gusty now?
[05:24] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: I can't try yours, I din't have hd* devices in my list.
[05:25] <atlfalcons866> how can i install gutsy
[05:26] <Hobbsee> atlfalcons866: if you have to ask, you shouldnt be running gutsy...
[05:26] <atlfalcons866> why i know it is unstable
[05:27] <_snow_blind_> atlfalcons866: download the iso, burn it to a disk, boot from it, install it :)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> atlfalcons866: because you probably dont know how to fix and workaround things, if you dont even know how to upgrade.
[05:27] <atlfalcons866> i know that but could i just upgade to it?
[05:27] <atlfalcons866> i have been using ubuntu for a year
[05:27] <DanglyBits> unable to get seagate FreeAgent external drive to automount in gutsy
[05:27] <DanglyBits> anyone help?
[05:27] <atlfalcons866> i upgraded from dapper to edgy to fiesty
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: do you have an sd devices?
[05:29] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: oh, that's sounding familiar. Yep i do, there was something weird in feisty i had to do as well.... I can't remember what the problem was though damn it!!
[05:29] <limetang> void^: I'll look it up. Thanks.
[05:31] <nosrednaekim> ok... what serial device is your cd drive? BIOS should tell you
[05:31] <atlfalcons866> could gutsy zero out my drive or something
[05:32] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: I think you are on to something, I'll reboot, back in a tick.
[05:32] <VousDeux> well, the nessus client seems to be having problems. I fetched all of the plugins, launched the nessusd, configured the scan, but when I start the scan the client just vanishes without a trace
[05:34] <deadchip> can someone help me with an X issue?
[05:34] <deadchip> i've just ran an update on Gutsy
[05:34] <deadchip> and after the update, the nvidia X driver is never being used
[05:34] <deadchip> the kernel module loads OK but X doesn't use the driver there
[05:34] <mnemo> deadchip: I also got the kernel update this morning and it broke my sound in gutsy
[05:35] <mnemo> I reinstalled alsa and libasound to make it work again
[05:35] <deadchip> hmm ok i'm not sure what to do here
[05:35] <deadchip> the kernel module for nvidia loads
[05:35] <mnemo> yea I had the same thing... my "snd_hda_intel" module loaded just fine but no sound
[05:35] <mnemo> and then I looked in "dmesg"
[05:36] <mnemo> and I noticed there was a version conflict between some packages and the kernel module
[05:36] <mnemo> so I tried reinstalling some stuff
[05:36] <deadchip> ag
[05:36] <deadchip> ah*
[05:36] <deadchip> mnemo: what in specific did you find?
[05:36] <deadchip> i mean any keywords i could grep for
[05:36] <deadchip> ?
[05:36] <deadchip> ah dmesg
[05:36] <deadchip> ok
[05:37] <mnemo> it was all sound related stuff, but check out the bottom of "dmesg" output
[05:37] <deadchip> hmm can't find anything wrong
[05:38] <mnemo> try running opengl stuff or something and look for errors in /var/log/messages
[05:38] <deadchip> seems all to be right
[05:38] <deadchip> yeah nothing either
[05:38] <Richie> Hello..has anyone else had problems with there wireless since the last update?
[05:38] <mnemo> deadchip: how do you know something is wrong? do you get some error when you launch opengl stuff?
[05:39] <deadchip> mnemo: it's wrong
[05:39] <deadchip> mnemo: X doesn't use the nvidia driver
[05:39] <Richie> i've had that update, restarted and now linux doesnt know i have a wireless adapter
[05:39] <VousDeux> any idea why nessus would segfault when I try to launch a scan?
[05:39] <deadchip> mnemo: there are no errors using OpenGL, it's using Mesa instead
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> Richie: chipset?
[05:40] <Richie> intel 945G
[05:40] <Richie> i think
[05:40] <nosrednaekim> probably an intel..
[05:41] <nosrednaekim> try lspci.
[05:41] <deadchip> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.
[05:41] <deadchip> ?
[05:41] <deadchip> what does that mean?
[05:41] <Richie> Intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG
[05:42] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: nope no help in the BIOS
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> Richie: try "iwconfig"
[05:43] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: does it show a DVD drive attached?
[05:43] <jrbl> Hi; udev seems to be breaking.  Should I ask about it here, or just jump straight into filing a bug on LP?
[05:43] <leperkhan1> Yep, still no direct rendering here, no games in wine, and no urban terror.  WAH!
[05:43] <mnemo> Richie: i have the exact same wireless, but I never got it to work at all.... did yours ever work at some point?
[05:43] <pwuertz> hi, I just performed an update... normally, only linux-generic is installed... but this update installed a linux-386 kernel also, which has been made the default kernel.... is this some kind of accident or is gutsy moving from "generic" to "386" ?
[05:43] <Richie> nosred: say no wireless extensions
[05:43] <Richie> mnemo: Yes, mine worked just before the update
[05:44] <pwuertz> also, sound seems to be disabled after the update
[05:44] <Richie> So it has
[05:44] <mnemo> Richie: did you have to install some special stuff to get it to work before the update?
[05:44] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: yep, but it just shows: HL-DL-ST DVDRAM GSA, I assumed these are just model identifiers though
[05:44] <Richie> mnemo: no, just worked straight out of the box
[05:45] <limetang> Thank you so much, void^.
[05:45] <mnemo> Richie: hmm, ok... are you using encryption for your access point?
[05:45] <limetang> Screen works great.
[05:45] <Richie> mnemo, yes i am
[05:45] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: yeah.... try "mount" and see what the Hard drive is mounted as...
[05:46] <mnemo> Richie: which kind of encryption? WPA or LEAP or something else?
[05:46] <Richie> i use insecure WEP
[05:46] <Richie> :P
[05:46] <jrbl> I upgraded the other day and ever since I've seen, "[ ####.######]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed" on the console and udev has been taking about 60% of my CPU.
[05:46] <pwuertz> can anybody tell my why the soundcard is disabled after the update and why the designation changed from "generic" to "386" ?
[05:46] <Richie>  nosrednaekim: iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[05:47] <nosrednaekim> or rather, what /dev/sd* / is mounted as
[05:47] <deadchip> well crap
[05:47] <mnemo> Richie: aha ok, that must be the difference then.. because I've been trying to get it to work with WPA-PSK running AES
[05:47] <jrbl> Anyone know a quick fix?
[05:47] <thansen|laptop> is the iwlwifi package in gutsy?
[05:47] <thansen|laptop> (or is there a 3rd party repo to get it)
[05:47] <Richie> pwuertz: Just reinstall the alsa drivers to fix
[05:48] <deadchip> no one has encountered nvidia issues yet?
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> Richie: odd... I don't have an intel so i'm not really experienced.. sorry
[05:48] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: they are all sdb1, sdb2 etc....
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: ok.... do you have windows on a separate drive?
[05:48] <nosrednaekim> or is this a *free* machine?
[05:49] <soul9> networkmanager is f*king unstable
[05:49] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: yes, windows is on sda1
[05:49] <Richie> whats up soul9?
[05:49] <sponix> anyone in here seen the /dev/null permission issue, every boot it goes to 600 instead of 666, _might_ be udev related (but udev rules are set for it at 666) ?
[05:49] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: ok... then your DVD drive is sdc :)
[05:49] <pwuertz> Richie: ok, but what about the "-generic" and "-386" packages... do I require both? or is "generic" deprecated now?
[05:49] <nosrednaekim> (if you don't have any other drives
[05:49] <nosrednaekim> generic is probably a dummy for 386
[05:49] <VousDeux> I guess I'll just try to get this VMware installed again, and see if I can run Nessus from a 32-bit virtual machine.
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: use Virtual Box..
[05:50] <mnemo> pwuertz: my sound was also broken by the update... i did "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 libasound2-dev" and then I rebooted the machine... that fixed it for me at least
[05:50] <soul9> Richie, just installed the kubuntu gutsy daily of today
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: I couldn't get Vmware working.. and VirtualBox is amazing
[05:50] <VousDeux> nosrednaekim, I already own VMware
[05:50] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: ah//
[05:51] <VousDeux> I wish I had known about VirtualBox before I bought it
[05:51] <soul9> and networkmanager breaks my wifi connection every like 3 minutes
[05:51] <soul9> not even
[05:51] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: ermm.... I have three of the suckers, with fedora 7, openSUSE and slackware. I'm guessing that i try the only one that i know is not an OS partition?
[05:51] <soul9> :-@
[05:51] <Richie> soul9: count ya self lucky..it cant even find my wifi anymore :P
[05:51] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: 3 hard drives.. or partitions?
[05:52] <pwuertz> mnemo: thanks, will try
[05:53] <leperkhan1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/144053
[05:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144053 in ubuntu "No Direct Rendering" [Undecided,New] 
[05:53] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: 3 hard drives and 10 partitions :(
[05:53] <VousDeux> I tried to install it the other day, but I had downloaded it onto a Windows machine and it seem like files I am copying via SMB are being corrupted.
[05:53] <soul9> Richie, what card?
[05:53] <soul9> ndis?
[05:53] <soul9> cause here it's an ipw2200, which should work pretty well
[05:53] <Richie> Intel 3945G
[05:54] <soul9> (though intel's wifi drivers do suck a lot, they suck less than ndis)
[05:54] <_snow_blind_> damn it, these gusty updates are killing my data cap........
[05:54] <soul9> Richie, oh, that should work though
[05:54] <Richie> yeh i know
[05:54] <soul9> is the module loaded?
[05:54] <Richie> it worked before update
[05:54] <Richie> and now its broke
[05:54] <Richie> how do i load it?
[05:54] <soul9> is the module loaded?
[05:54] <soul9> it's called iwl3'( I THINK
[05:54] <soul9> whoops
[05:55] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: wow... ok, is sdc a hard drive>
[05:55] <soul9> iwl3945 is the name iirc
[05:57] <Richie> module aint found :S
[05:58] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: I just looked at my list of partitions (amazing that i actually wrote them all down), they are all hdd partitions. The only possible free device is scd0......
[06:01] <user01> shouldnt an icon popup on desktop when i plug in a flash disk?
[06:01] <soul9> yes
[06:01] <Richie> yup
[06:01] <user01> hmmm
[06:01] <leperkhan1> yeah, that's an error I'm getting too.
[06:01] <user01> nope it didnt
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: scd0? thats an odd name
[06:02] <Richie> soul9: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121415
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121415 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  ipw3945-based wireless doesn't work after booting with wireless switch off" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[06:02] <nosrednaekim> it should be sdx
[06:02] <user01> chop chop only 2 1/2 weeks to release :)
[06:03] <Richie> check to make sure your wireless is enabled before boot?
[06:03] <void^> .. scsi cd/dvd devices are scdX
[06:03] <_snow_blind_> nosrednaekim: I have sda, sda1, sdb, sdb1, sdb2, sdb5, sdc, sdc1, sdc2, sdc3, sdc5. Gusty is installed on hdb3 and the swap is on hdb4
[06:04] <soul9> Richie, or in the bios
[06:04] <soul9> Richie, does the iwl driver work?
[06:04] <_snow_blind_> void^: dmesg shows that when i try to play a dvd (movie) it tries to read from sr0, do you know what this device is supposed to be?
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> hd? wow... ok...
[06:05] <user01> how do i manually mount the flash disk then?
[06:06] <Richie> soul9: when i try to load the module manually it says:
[06:06] <Richie> ipw3945d - regulatory daemon
[06:06] <Richie> Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
[06:06] <Richie> version: 1.7.22
[06:06] <Richie> 2007-09-22 17:05:33: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[06:06] <soul9> :-/
[06:06] <soul9> heh
[06:06] <soul9> strange
[06:06] <void^> _snow_blind_: scd0/sr0 should be the same
[06:07] <_snow_blind_> void^: oh, that makes sense then, cheers.
[06:10] <Richie> soul9: does your sound still work after the update?
[06:11] <_snow_blind_> I just found this in dmesg UDF-fs INFO UDF 0.9.8.1 (2004/29/09) Mounting volume 'ALIAS_SEASON_4', timestamp 2005/10/04 07:59 (123a)
[06:11] <dcordes> why is the wine version in gutsy obsolete?
[06:12] <dcordes> current release is 0.9.45 and gutsy repositories have 0.9.42
[06:13] <Richie> OH FOR TITS SAKE!
[06:13] <gnomefreak> dcordes: because of universe freeze most likely
[06:13] <Richie> "The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist."
[06:13] <gnomefreak> or noone to work on it
[06:14] <Richie> i hate updates!
[06:14] <deadchip> tits sake sounds about right
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Richie: linux-headers
[06:14] <deadchip> nvidia driver is killed off
[06:14] <leperkhan1> dcordes: Yeah, and good luck finding a .deb! XP
[06:14] <Richie> i've got the linux headers
[06:14] <Richie> its just updated them
[06:14] <Richie> and now thats vanished
[06:14] <nosrednaekim> _snow_blind_: hmmm
[06:15] <Reaby> dcordes: winehq has debian/ubuntu debs for latest releases.
[06:15] <void^> _snow_blind_: after reading the backlog a little, i think your problem isn't the dvd drive, looks more like a playback issue or a problem with the dvd-decryption
[06:15] <leperkhan1> Reaby: PROVE IT WITH A LINK.
[06:15] <nosrednaekim> leperkhan1: calm down... and google a little
[06:16] <Reaby> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[06:16] <dcordes> Reaby: the point is, why do the repos lack them?
[06:16] <Reaby> lah.
[06:16] <leperkhan1> nosrednaekim: Done, and done.  There are no debs for feisty64.
[06:16] <Reaby> dah.
[06:16] <Reaby> there's link
[06:16] <Reaby> hard to point browser to winhq and just click download, huh ?
[06:16] <leperkhan1> There's no .deb there.
[06:16] <leperkhan1> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
[06:16] <leperkhan1> None there either.
[06:16] <Reaby> well reposity
[06:16] <leperkhan1> riiiiight.
[06:16] <leperkhan1> not a .deb.
[06:17] <leperkhan1> :(
[06:17] <Reaby> feisty repo works on gutsy also
[06:17] <Reaby> well it's basicly the same thing
[06:17] <Reaby> repo has .deb
[06:17] <nosrednaekim> leperkhan1: 64? ah!
[06:17] <dcordes> leperkhan1: kid
[06:18] <Reaby> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/feisty/wine_0.9.45~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_i386.deb
[06:18] <leperkhan1> Ummm... Thank you for the hilarious and useful comments.  Now link me a .deb already. :) Or I proved you wrong, and you're a liar. :P
[06:18] <Reaby> there.
[06:18] <leperkhan1> See, that's i386... :)
[06:18] <leperkhan1> Not amd64. *sigh*
[06:18] <Reaby> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/feisty/wine_0.9.45~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_amd64.deb
[06:19] <leperkhan1> go ahead and try that link.
[06:19] <dcordes> leperkhan1: just keep unqualified comments for yourself
[06:19] <Reaby> oh bummer.
[06:19] <Xero> laperkhan1: I'll generate you a deb.
[06:19] <leperkhan1> YAY!
[06:19] <soul9> Richie, no update, fresh install from daily iso
[06:19] <leperkhan1> Xero: I'll go post a link to it in #winehq and see if they will update the site.
[06:20] <Richie> soul9: stuff that!
[06:20] <Reaby> well repos work anyway.
[06:20] <Reaby> that's anyway where i have downloaded my wine.
[06:20] <Xero> http://xero-games.com/wine_0.9.45-winehq0-ubuntu-7.05-1_i386.deb
[06:21] <Xero> I downloaded it off WineHQ instead of just generating it.
[06:21] <Reaby> hmm he needed amd64 version..
[06:21] <Xero> I didn't see that.
[06:21] <leperkhan1> :)
[06:21] <_snow_blind_> arghh.... sorry update killed my connection
[06:22] <Richie> lol
[06:22] <Richie> someone change the title to update busts wireless
[06:22] <Richie> :P
[06:22] <Xero> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs*
[06:22] <soul9> Richie, eh?
[06:22] <Xero> That'll let you run i386 wine if I understand it from the forums.
[06:23] <leperkhan1> grr!  That is not the point.  I'm going to go give #winehq a strong lecture.
[06:24] <_snow_blind_> do you need DMA enabled to play dvds?
[06:25] <void^> no, and dma should always be enabled by default if possible on devices using the new ata-layer drivers
[06:25] <Xero> This is the newest amd64 deb that actually works.
[06:25] <Xero> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/feisty/wine_0.9.43~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_amd64.deb
[06:26] <leperkhan1> Yeah, that's the one I have.
[06:26] <leperkhan1> :)
[06:26] <leperkhan1> Thanks though!
[06:26] <Reaby> still it's 2 versions behind.
[06:26] <_snow_blind_> hmm, i guess gutsy isn't recognising my drive properly then.....
[06:28] <Xero> Lol! Wine for Windows!!!
[06:28] <Xero> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6241&package_id=112520
[06:28] <leperkhan1> That can actually be quite useful.
[06:28] <leperkhan1> :)
[06:28] <Xero> How?
[06:29] <_snow_blind_> oh, yes it is i found it. sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 62x/62x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray but fstab lists it as /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[06:29] <leperkhan1> Windows architectures vary slightly, and not all apps run on all versions, but sometimes will still run on Wine for Windows.
[06:29] <void^> _snow_blind_: 'dmesg | grep -i dma' should show the dma mode anyways
[06:30] <Xero> Windows, in general, is yuck.
[06:31] <_snow_blind_> void^: Thanks, it looks like it is enabled.  ata2.01: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B, A102, max UDMA/33. Bugger, the problem must be somewhere else then :(
[06:32] <leperkhan1> Xero: agreed.
[06:32] <Xero> Okay. I'm off to play with my Wii.
[06:33] <leperkhan1> lol
[06:38] <soothsayer> When I login in Gutsy, my background is initially a bright brownish orange before it changes to my default background. Does anyone know if the 'background color' setting in the GDM 'Login Window Preferences' is working?
[06:39] <_snow_blind_> soothsayer: It works for me, i changed mine earlier today
[06:40] <soothsayer> _snow_blind_: Okay thanks.
[06:41] <_snow_blind_> soothsayer: I haven't installed the latest update though (roughly twenty mins ago) though
[06:53] <_snow_blind_> goodnight guys, thanks for your help. Much appreciated :)
[07:04] <VousDeux> this is probably going to seem like a dumb question, but how in the heck can I delete a folder owned by root. I tried using rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty from a root shell, but it's still there
[07:05] <wfarr> Has anyone tried out the FF3a8 tarball from Mozilla?
[07:05] <VousDeux> I also tried launching dolphin from a root shell, but it says it cannot connect to X server
[07:05] <Trewas> VousDeux: rm -rf directory (as root) will get rid of any directory
[07:05] <_snow_blind_> back again, just wanted to say that after this latest update i can play dvds :) The only thing i ca put it down to is either the kernel or restricted driver update.
[07:05] <VousDeux> thanks!
[07:06] <ohsoferrety> I haven't updated Gutsy in a couple of days. What should I expect NOT to work?
[07:07] <_snow_blind_> ohsoferrety: you might have trouble with wireless if you are using an intel chipset from the sounds of things....
[07:08] <ohsoferrety> snowblind: I heard something about Compiz and Intel, but I use neither.
[07:08] <ohsoferrety> Update manager is showing 221 updates. Damn.
[07:09] <_snow_blind_> ohsoferrety: lol, my compiz has never worked :( I like beryl better anyways.
[07:10] <amias> hello all
[07:10] <_snow_blind_> 221?? bloody hell, I should have a look and see how much I have left on my data cap.....
[07:10] <ohsoferrety> _snow_blind_: Both Beryl and Compiz have never worked for me. My onboard NVIDIA GeForce 6100 sucks, and I'm waiting until next month to buy an ATI card.
[07:10] <amias> does anyone know how to disable the blinking network indicator in the task bar ?
[07:11] <ohsoferrety> Strange. Mine doesn't blink.
[07:12] <amias> am using a wired network
[07:12] <ohsoferrety> Same here. Yet again, strange.
[07:12] <_snow_blind_> ohsoferrety: are the new ATI drivers any good do you know?
[07:13] <_snow_blind_> amias: are you using automatic or manual configs?
[07:13] <ohsoferrety> _snow_blind_: No one knows yet, but I guess ATI is open-sourcing, so a lot of niftiness is going to happen.
[07:13] <amias> _snow_blind_, not sure , it uses dhcp and the ethernet is the only network device
[07:14] <amias> _snow_blind_, if i left click it i get a manual configuration option which is not ticked
[07:14] <aka_youtube> Hi
[07:16] <_snow_blind_> amias: I have mine set to manual configuration, i'm guessing this bypasses the auto conf settings and that is why it doesn't show network activity..... just guessing though
[07:17] <amias> _snow_blind_, ok will try that , thanks
[07:17] <aka_youtube> Anyone has problems loading XORG with a NVIDIA driver of the latest gutsy updates?
[07:17] <aka_youtube> my xorg wont load... "fails to laod nvidia" driver
[07:17] <_snow_blind_> amias: Does it constantly blink or only when there is data transfer occurring?
[07:18] <amias> _snow_blind_, there is constant data transfer so it blinks all the time
[07:18] <amias> aka_youtube, nope works fine for me
[07:18] <_snow_blind_> amias: constant? why is that?
[07:18] <amias> _snow_blind_, playing music off a samba share
[07:18] <amias> _snow_blind_, and talking to you guys
[07:19] <_snow_blind_> aka_youtube: what version of the driver are you using?
[07:19] <aka_youtube> amias: weird... I stuck using vesa for now
[07:19] <amias> aka_youtube,  i'm using a MX4000 ( don't laugh )
[07:20] <_snow_blind_> you could try installing it maually sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:21] <aka_youtube> _snow_blind_ I'm using nvidia-glx Version: 1:1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-12.1
[07:22] <aka_youtube> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[07:22] <aka_youtube> so it says...
[07:22] <aka_youtube> it worked before the upgrade...
[07:22] <aka_youtube> could it be the settings in my xorg.conf?
[07:23] <_snow_blind_> aka_youtube: maybe, if you have vesa in there instead of nvidia. try running sudo nvidia-settings and see if you can get it working through there
[07:24] <aka_youtube> ok thanks
[07:24] <aka_youtube> BRB
[07:25] <johnficca> my ekiga doesn't want to stay running, it crshes after like 10 seconds:-(
[07:25] <_snow_blind_> amias: still blinking?
[07:25] <johnficca> is there a work around?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> not that i have seen yet
[07:27] <gnomefreak> johnficca: the desktop team would know (nest way to find out whats wrong is to file a bug on it at this time, there is alot happening for the next week or so
[07:29] <Vegar> is dhclient supposed to send dhcp requests on eth0 when there's no connection?
[07:29] <Vegar> ie. no cable in eth0
[07:30] <skal> I don't know if this info will be of importance to you guys: I have the same wireless problem stated before, but I'm using a RaLink RT2500 (which worked fine before the update+reboot today)
[07:30] <amias> _snow_blind_,  yep , doesn't seem to make a difference
[07:30] <skal> so it seems not to be intel specific
[07:31] <amias> _snow_blind_,  thanks for your help , i've got to go know . I will try and work it out myself and let the channel know if sort it out
[07:31] <amias> s/know/now/
[07:31] <johnficca> gnomefreak: it is a known bug i was just wondering if there was a quick and dirty work around
[07:31] <_snow_blind_> amias: np, good luck :)
[07:31] <gnomefreak> johnficca: not that i have come across sorry
[07:32] <johnficca> gnomefreak: thanks anyway
[07:33] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:47] <aka_youtube> _snow_blind_ : nvidia-settings gives a few errors, includig this one: ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[07:47] <Amaranth> aka_youtube: you using Xgl?
[07:48] <Amaranth> aka_youtube: otherwise you aren't using the nvidia driver
[07:48] <aka_youtube> sorry I really dont know
[07:48] <aka_youtube> I cant load X if the driver is set to nvidia
[07:48] <aka_youtube> so I set it to vesa to load X
[07:50] <aka_youtube> Amaranth:are you referring to the package xserver-xgl, because it is not installed on my computer
[07:50] <Amaranth> aka_youtube: did you install nvidia-glx?
[07:51] <aka_youtube> Amaranth: yes, and it worked fine untill I ran the update manager this morning
[07:51] <Amaranth> What video card?
[07:52] <aka_youtube> Amaranth: give me a sec, I think i found something... My card is geforce 7200LE if I remember correectly
[07:53] <aka_youtube> Amaranth: search me why, but linux-restricted-modules...generic was not installed, that might be my problem...
[07:53] <aka_youtube> I had installed it before, thats weird
[07:54] <aka_youtube> Amaranth: I'll reboot, BRB
[07:54] <_snow_blind_> aka_youtube: I think you are on the right track now. That module was in the update
[07:55] <_snow_blind_> ah...crap it's 3:30 am, goodnight again :)
[07:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> just out of curiosity, i've been installing updates regularly, and desktop effects/compiz is broken (cannot be enabled).  is this a known issue?
[07:56] <tehk> Anyone know why gutsy pushed a 386  kernel for people with the linux-generic package?
[07:56] <Xero> Daisuke_Laptop, yes, and they're fixing it as we speak (i think)
[07:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> neat, so it wasn't me :)
[07:57] <tehk> Daisuke_Laptop, there is a fix on the forums
[07:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> thanks for the info, and this is really shaping up to be a nice release
[07:57] <tehk> simple command
[07:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay
[07:57] <Xero> Daisuke_Laptop, there's a simple way to fix it but I forgot it.
[07:57] <Xero> It uses sed. That's all I remember.
[07:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm around on irc most of the time, so i thought of here first
[07:58] <arooni> hey folks, can someone take a look at my imwheel.rc file and tell me why i can a) have mouse wheel working in any app but no forward/back buttons ... or b) have forward & back buttons in  firefox, but no mouse wheel in any other app.  my imwheel.rc file is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/99737 ... thanks!
[07:58] <tehk> Daisuke_Laptop, sudo sed -i 's/GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_
[07:59] <tehk> Daisuke_Laptop, sudo sed -i 's/GL_MAX_3D_TEXTURE_SIZE/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE/g' /usr/bin/compiz
[07:59] <tehk> rather sorry
[07:59] <aka_youtube> arooni: are you using the evdev or mouse driver?
[07:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> i just found it :)
[07:59] <arooni> aka_youtube, evdev
[07:59] <tehk> did anyone else get pushed a i386 kernel?
[08:00] <aka_youtube> _snow_blind_ and Amaranth : thanks a lot for your support, I got my card working again!!
[08:01] <Amaranth> tehk: that bug was already fixed
[08:01] <aka_youtube> arooni: do you need imwheel?
[08:01] <arooni> aka_youtube, well i think so; i already have it installed and it works as far as i know
[08:03] <arooni> brb
[08:03] <arooni_> aka_youtube, any ideas?
[08:04] <aka_youtube> arooni: I looked at your file and Im not quite familair with the format... However, have you looked at this option: about:config
[08:04] <aka_youtube> i cant remember the settings name, but it did tell firefox what to do when you click a button...
[08:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> that did not seem to work :\
[08:06] <aka_youtube> arooni: something like that: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050821141856688
[08:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> but hey, i'll figure something out, it's not like compiz is a necessary part of the OS.
[08:12] <VousDeux> Installing VMware was fairly easy with the tarball.
[08:13] <nedw> I upgraded to gutsy and now i get this problem when i use apt: http://pastebin.com/m547f2488
[08:14] <gnomefreak> nedw: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:14] <gnomefreak> nedw: if that doesnt work try sudo apt-get update && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:15] <gnomefreak> nedw: if that fails to work see if "sudo apt-get -f install" without the ""
[08:15] <gnomefreak> nedw: you left off part of error by the looks of it
[08:17] <nedw> hmm
[08:17] <nedw> trying them
[08:17] <nedw> sudo dpkg --configure -a doesn't work
[08:17] <nedw> neither does sudo apt-get update && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:18] <nedw> neither does the last one
[08:18] <nedw> they all display pretty much the same error
[08:18] <nedw> i didn't leave anything off
[08:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> found the solution
[08:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> i had to comment out the blacklist entry for the 965
[08:27] <nedw> *cough*
[08:27] <DevideZero> i have download kubuntu tribe 5 7.10 , and when i start the live cd i select "start and install" and the i get something like this alot of times : "error : I\O cache difragment"
[08:30] <gnomefreak> who was it that had the ekgia crashes?
[08:31] <crimsun> 13:25 < johnficca> my ekiga doesn't want to stay running, it crshes after like 10 seconds:-(
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nedw: than im not sure other than its not stable maybe try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, if it doesnt work file a bug but sudo apt-get -f install should have fixed it by the looks of it
[08:32] <gnomefreak> ty crimsun
[08:32] <gnomefreak> hes gone already
[08:35] <nedw> gnomefreak: yeah that doesn't work and neither does sudo apt-get -f install, so i'll just file a bug report and wait it out
[08:35] <watterman> Do anyone know how set on tone at start and end system??
[08:36] <gnomefreak> nemik: it can be a number of different things as gutsy isnt stable yet. Please file a bug report and attach the stuff you pastebined and attach your /var/log/dist-upgrade/* there should be 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrade please attach them to the bug report as they give us a good idea on what went wrong and when
[08:37] <peepsalot> does gutsy have a kernel with CFS?
[08:37] <DevideZero> i have download kubuntu tribe 5 7.10 , and when i start the live cd i select "start and install" and the i get something like this alot of times : "error : I\O cache difragment"
[08:37] <databuddy> mm so gutsy seems pretty good now... i was thinking about dumping my feisty for it
[08:38] <databuddy> opinions?
[08:38] <databuddy> DevideZero you got the livecd version right?
[08:38] <databuddy> what kinda system are u trying to install on?
[08:38] <crimsun> peepsalot: CFS isn't in 2.6.22, which is the base for 7.10's kernel.
[08:38] <databuddy> every time i ran into that i needed to get the alternate
[08:38] <databuddy> and then it went fairly painlessly ^^
[08:38] <databuddy> crimsun sup o/
[08:39] <peepsalot> crimsun, is it going to eventually be in an official kernel?
[08:39] <databuddy> hey hows the upgrading these days from a non-clean install?
[08:40] <DevideZero> databuddy , yes
[08:40] <crimsun> peepsalot: it will be in 8.04
[08:41] <crimsun> databuddy: hi
[08:41] <peepsalot> argh, so many cool features that aren't going to make it for another six months
[08:42] <crimsun> can't help that.
[08:43] <Tim__> I'm running Feisty Fawn. Do you guys have a lot of problems with Gutsy or is it pretty stable?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> more like 12 months :(
[08:44] <watterman> I thing it is stable, but there arent much new functions
[08:45] <gnomefreak> watterman: mostly working on other things but compiz is new and default kind of sort of and most of the under the hood things were worked on, bulletproofX is new as is most of X
[08:45] <crimsun> heh, for giggles yesterday, I dist-upgraded dapper to current gutsy directly
[08:45] <gnomefreak> crimsun: ouch
[08:45] <crimsun> yeah, it broke rather impressively
[08:45] <gnomefreak> did it fail that bad?
[08:45] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:45] <gnomefreak> expected
[08:45] <databuddy> crimsun that sound fun
[08:45] <databuddy> lol
[08:46] <databuddy> i probably would have tried first updating kernel and
[08:46] <crimsun> what's even more impressive is that it only takes three commands to fix it
[08:46] <databuddy> o hell way too much would be borked
[08:46] <databuddy> wat???
[08:46] <databuddy> do tell?
[08:46] <gnomefreak> thats not too bad
[08:46] <gnomefreak> crimsun: were you around for the dpkg failure bug?
[08:46] <databuddy> oh does medibuntu work with gutsy repo now?
[08:47] <crimsun> you'll have to use apt-get to dist-upgrade, and then you'll have to use aptitude to complete the dependency resolution (try harder a dozen times)
[08:47] <gnomefreak> databuddy: most likely not until release but users have gotten it to work a while ago
[08:47] <DevideZero> someone ?
[08:47] <crimsun> gnomefreak: yeah
[08:47] <gnomefreak> DevideZero: what date did you use?
[08:47] <databuddy> gnomefreak ok just checking if i need to change that in my source
[08:47] <databuddy> s
[08:47] <gnomefreak> all dailys before yesterday are borked
[08:48] <DevideZero> gnomefreak , kubuntu gusty live \ install cd tribe 5 on 32bit pc
[08:48] <databuddy> no need for amaranth repo in gutsy rite?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> DevideZero: use todays daily cd
[08:49] <gnomefreak> databuddy: i dont know what he has on it but i would say no
[08:49] <databuddy> mm does seem to have a section.. bbiab
[08:49] <gnomefreak> databuddy: the need is per user without knowing what you need and what repo has on it i cant guess
[08:49] <DevideZero> gnomefreak , im using it , i download it 5 hours ago
[08:49] <databuddy> gnomefreak lol yeah thats the compiz-fusion repo sorry
[08:50] <databuddy> im gonna comment it out for now
[08:50] <databuddy> oh yeah and BRING BACK EMERALD-THEMES darn it XD
[08:50] <gnomefreak> DevideZero: than wait till mondays the developer was up late last night working on it so i dont know what he got done
[08:50] <gnomefreak> databuddy: its in gutsy
[08:50] <databuddy> also emerald has mem leak
[08:50] <databuddy> gnomefreak emerald is or emerald-themes
[08:50] <Amaranth> databuddy: no
[08:50] <databuddy> Amaranth dont need it? ok thanx
[08:50] <gnomefreak> emerald and emerald-themes but ermald-themes isnt in gutsy
[08:51] <Tim__> Is gutsy still supposed to be released next month?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> pisses me off cause without it emerald doesnt work very well
[08:51] <gnomefreak> Tim__: mid OCT
[08:51] <gnomefreak> Tim__: topic links will tell you
[08:51] <databuddy> gnomefreak yeah em theme isnt there
[08:52] <databuddy> they should at least upload the one from feisty.
[08:52] <databuddy> at the very least.
[08:52] <databuddy> without it you dont _need_ emerald
[08:52] <gnomefreak> databuddy: im not sure whats gonna happen with that
[08:52] <databuddy> heliodore or w/e is good enough - the use gtk theme one
[08:52] <gnomefreak> i think i filed bug on it
[08:52] <databuddy> owell i keep installing the fiesty one and yey
[08:52] <gnomefreak> a while ago
[08:52] <databuddy> yeah someone tried to tell me its depreciated....
[08:52] <gnomefreak> databuddy: only grab feistys emeral-themes
[08:53] <watterman> Why after today update mplayer-mozilla, that plugin doesnt work??:-((
[08:53] <gnomefreak> it should work but no promsises
[08:53] <databuddy> 1113 upgraded, 138 newly installed, 7 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:53] <databuddy> Need to get 962MB of archives.
[08:53] <databuddy> After unpacking 316MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:53] <gnomefreak> define doesnt work?
[08:53] <databuddy> gnomefreak works fine
[08:53] <databuddy> mem leak
[08:53] <gnomefreak> your not fully upgraded it looks
[08:53] <databuddy> no im going from feisty non-clean install to gutsy
[08:53] <gnomefreak> databuddy: i havent see na  bug on it yet or i would have looked into it
[08:53] <databuddy> gonna make gutsy my day to day i think
[08:54] <databuddy> oh ok i'll file a bug - dunno if its em or em themes - but i noticed that if i do emerald --replace after a few hours the used memory drops considerably
[08:54] <watterman> when i try listen internet radio, it want plugin, and when i choose, mplayerplugin, it write: mplayer-mozilla is installed, sorry for my english, i am from czech republic
[08:55] <gnomefreak> databuddy: emerald has mem leak or mplayer?
[08:55] <gnomefreak> oh 2 different users
[08:55] <databuddy> watterman see if you have any other plugs for mozilla like vlc or totem in also - they can conflict
[08:55] <gnomefreak> ok let me get caught up here
[08:55] <databuddy> gnomefreak emerald or emerald themes has the mem leak
[08:55] <databuddy> his mplayer plugin isnt working
[08:55] <gnomefreak> databuddy: file bug
[08:55] <gnomefreak> im re reading atm
[08:56] <gnomefreak> watterman: its installed but what happens when you use it?
[08:56] <databuddy> 2% [37 ttf-dejavu-extra 2503155/2657kB 94%]                     86.6kB/s 3h0m35s <<-- grah time to watch anime while i wait >_<
[08:56] <databuddy> i should have inserted the gutsy cd lol
[08:56] <gnomefreak> watterman: try another player see if that is issue or not or file a bug and i will be notified of it and take a look at it
[08:57] <gnomefreak> its the weekend i already fixed one thing today i should be resting ;)
[08:57] <databuddy> o: what did u fix?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> crimsun: feel like acking an upload on revu?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> databuddy: nspluginwrapper
[08:57] <databuddy> o sweet gj
[08:58] <watterman> i take screen, wait
[08:58] <crimsun> gnomefreak: cooking ATM, sorry
[08:58] <gnomefreak> crimsun: nvm asac will upload tromorrow
[08:58] <gnomefreak> tomorrow
[08:59] <gnomefreak> i gave him the mozilla branch for it
[09:00] <watterman> http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=obrazovka4ar9.png there is screen
[09:02] <watterman> normal, that radio was playing, but when i install update of mplyer-mozilla, it show this
[09:02] <databuddy> watterman what are you trying to install it with there
[09:02] <databuddy> easy ubuntu or something like that?
[09:04] <watterman> srry, but i dont understand, what easy ubuntu??
[09:08] <watterman> in that screen I choose mplayer-plugin... and i get that message
[09:09] <watterman> that mozilla language is Czech, and it says: I need install plug-in module
[09:10] <javabugz> ah
[09:10] <rathel> I'm having issues getting amaork to work with mysql I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38281/ and I used this guide: http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-to-set-up-mysql-database-in-amarok.html
[09:11] <rathel> Should've used tinurl.. lol wasn't thinking sorry.
[09:12] <javabugz> rathel: somehow the password for user amarok is not working
[09:12] <javabugz> or that the account amarok was not created
[09:13] <javabugz> if you don't use anything else that require rathel
[09:13] <javabugz> if you don't use anything else that require mysql
[09:13] <javabugz> then use sqlite
[09:13] <javabugz> easier to deal with
[09:13] <rathel> yeah, but sqlite is soo slow though.
[09:14] <javabugz> using the command line
[09:14] <javabugz> try to log on to mysql as user amarok
[09:14] <javabugz> mysql -u amarok -p
[09:14] <javabugz> and then enter the password
[09:14] <javabugz> if you can get in than the user/password is working fine
[09:14] <javabugz> if not
[09:15] <javabugz> you may want to just drop the database
[09:15] <javabugz> and follow the guide again
[09:15] <javabugz> mysql -u root -p
[09:15] <javabugz> drop database amarok
[09:15] <javabugz> ;
[09:15] <rathel> It got in with mysql -u amarok -p
[09:15] <javabugz> ok..at the mysql prompt
[09:16] <javabugz> type "use amarok"
[09:16] <javabugz> ;
[09:16] <javabugz> is mysql and amarok on the same machine?
[09:17] <rathel> Yes.
[09:17] <javabugz> if you type "ping localhost" at the command line
[09:17] <javabugz> do you get 127.0.0.1 or something else?
[09:19] <rathel> it get pings.
[09:20] <javabugz> does it ping 127.0.0.1 or something else?
[09:21] <rathel> Yeah it pings.
[09:21] <databuddy> http://moronland.net/moronia/moron/1046/
[09:21] <rathel> 127.0.0.1
[09:21] <Brucevdk> javabugz: $ host localhost = localhost has address 127.0.0.1 (/etc/hosts = 127.0.0.1 localhost)
[09:21] <javabugz> right
[09:21] <javabugz> you never know
[09:22] <javabugz> rathel: i think it has to do with
[09:22] <javabugz> the grant
[09:22] <javabugz> let's try to log on to mysql
[09:22] <javabugz> mysql -u root -p
[09:23] <rathel> Okay. done that.
[09:23] <javabugz> and issue "grant all on amarok.* to amarok@* identified by 'password'
[09:23] <javabugz> ;
[09:23] <javabugz> this time..you are granting to user amarok@*...from any domain
[09:23] <javabugz> as long as you don't modify the mysql default (bind to localhost)...you are ok in term of security
[09:24] <javabugz> when you are done with the grant
[09:24] <rathel> I get the SQL Syntax error doing that.
[09:24] <javabugz> go back into amarok
[09:25] <javabugz> you may need to surround "amarok@*" with quotes
[09:25] <javabugz> the password also needs "" quotes
[09:26] <rathel> okay quotes around amaok@* worked.
[09:26] <javabugz> try to reconnect in amarok with the new password
[09:26] <javabugz> and see if it work
[09:26] <rathel> Same error.
[09:27] <javabugz> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[09:27] <javabugz> may need to do that with mysql
[09:28] <Networker_> i have a problem with iptables on gutsy, someone can help ?
[09:28] <rathel> Sill a no go.
[09:28] <javabugz> at the prompt, do "mysql -u root -p"
[09:28] <javabugz> oops
[09:28] <javabugz> not -u root but -u amarok
[09:29] <javabugz> once you are at the prompt
[09:29] <javabugz> type "use amarok"
[09:29] <Networker_> # iptables -A PREROUTING -s X.X.X.0/255.255.255.0 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination X.X.X.X
[09:29] <Networker_> give : iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
[09:30] <javabugz> do you get any error?
[09:30] <rathel> No error.
[09:30] <mnemo> what is the keyboard shortcut to minimize all windows on GNOME ??
[09:31] <javabugz> what about "select * from collection;"
[09:32] <rathel> ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'amarok.collection' doesn't exist
[09:34] <javabugz> sorry ...try "select * from album;"
[09:34] <javabugz> it should find some records
[09:34] <rathel> Empty Set.
[09:35] <javabugz> seems the database connection is fine
[09:35] <javabugz> id/password is working ok
[09:35] <javabugz> i recommend you make a copy of your current amarok config
[09:36] <javabugz> and blow it away
[09:36] <rathel> Okay.
[09:36] <javabugz> and try to launch amarok again
[09:36] <javabugz> it will ask you the same info to connect to the db
[09:36] <javabugz> as far as I can tell
[09:36] <javabugz> the database connection is there
[09:37] <javabugz> the amarok config is in ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[09:38] <rathel> ah ... lol I was looking in apps/amarok
[09:41] <rathel> hmm... Maybe I should just stick with sqlite.
[09:42] <darx> hello folks
[09:43] <javabugz> rathel: still not working?
[09:43] <darx> I need cinelerra, which version should I install from here http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php ?
[09:43] <rathel> javabugz, no.
[09:43] <darx> there is a feisty version as well as a native debian one.. And BTW i'm on gutsy
[09:43] <javabugz> same error?
[09:44] <rathel> Yes.
[09:45] <javabugz> if you can log on using amarok user at the command prompt
[09:45] <javabugz> i have no idea why amarok would not connect with the same user/password
[09:46] <javabugz> seems trivial...but are you using the same password?
[09:46] <leperkhan1> cinelerra can't record off of my TV card.
[09:46] <leperkhan1> nothing can.
[09:46] <javabugz> i normally use amarok/amarok as the id/password for the db
[09:46] <rathel> I'm going to give it another go from scratch, what would I use to delete everything I did in mysql?
[09:46] <leperkhan1> I can watch stuff fine in TVtime, but other than that gutsy has NO TV card support.
[09:46] <javabugz> rathel: at the prompt "mysql -u root -p"
[09:47] <javabugz> than at mysql> prompt "drop database amarok;"
[09:47] <darx> KDE suck. Crashes numerous time
[09:47] <rathel> Okay. now time to scroll up.. lol
[09:48] <javabugz> just type "create database amarok"
[09:48] <javabugz> ;
[09:48] <javabugz> and then the grant
[09:48] <javabugz> rathel: sorry I has to run
[09:49] <javabugz> good luck
[09:49] <rathel> javabugz, Okay, thanks.
[10:06] <RAdams> Is anyone else having a problem with Pidgin forgetting what plugins you're using? (Gusty Tribe 5 x86)
[10:06] <leperkhan1> It keeps rearranging my buddy list.
[10:07] <leperkhan1> But other than that it is working well, and remembering my plugins, etc.
[10:07] <RAdams> hmm
[10:07] <leperkhan1> Gotta love chattin' w/ all the myspace peeps. LOL
[10:07] <RAdams> Never had this problem when I was using Tribe 5 amd64
[10:07] <RAdams> how odd
[10:07] <RAdams> Everytime I quit
[10:07] <leperkhan1> ah, I'm on amd64.
[10:07] <leperkhan1> :)
[10:07] <RAdams> It unchecks all my plugins
[10:07] <RAdams> I have to go back and re-check them
[10:08] <RAdams> very frustrating >.<
[10:08] <leperkhan1> It reorganizes my buddy list no matter what I do.  keeps putting people in the wrong groups and such.
[10:08] <leperkhan1> you could try #pidgin
[10:08] <RAdams> That's strange as well :|
[10:08] <RAdams> omw there
[10:10] <rathel> leperkhan1, How well does your MySpaceIM work? mine seems to only add 26 and they
[10:10] <rathel> 're random.
[10:10] <rathel> lol stupid enter.
[10:11] <leperkhan1> hmmm.
[10:11] <leperkhan1> Only have like 6 myspace im buddies so far.... Just warmin' up. :)
[10:11] <d4rkmonkey> leperkhan1 <--- MYSPACE SUCKS.
[10:11] <rathel> leperkhan1, ah okay than. :)
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> just pointing that out..
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> plus we're a bit offtopic now..
[10:12] <Richie> HELP!
[10:12] <leperkhan1> d4rkmonkey: That's like, your opinion, man.
[10:12] <Richie> i mean Hello
[10:12] <leperkhan1> :)
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> leperkhan1 thats like, fact man :P
[10:12] <jussi01> !ask | Richie
[10:12] <Richie> Umm...how do i change the keyboard layout?
[10:12] <ubotu> Richie: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:12] <jussi01> :)
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> Richie system>preferences>keyboard
[10:12] <Richie> oh i hate that phrase
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> I think
[10:13] <Richie> right then
[10:13] <Richie> problem number to
[10:13] <Richie> 2*
[10:13] <Richie> i can only select 640 x 480 as a resolution
[10:14] <Richie> how can do i add more options?
[10:14] <d4rkmonkey> Richie try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:14] <d4rkmonkey> than adding all of the resolutions when you get to that part that you know work with your monitor/video card
[10:14] <Richie> I buggered the whole thing up trying to get my wireless working on the latest kernel
[10:14] <Richie> i know what works with my monitor and gfx cards
[10:15] <d4rkmonkey> Richie either edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file by hand, or do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:15] <d4rkmonkey> leperkhan1 facebook is much better than myspace, as long as people don't treat it like myspace, cus you keep in touch with real friends, not random internet people.
[10:17] <mon^rch> compiz + alltray does not work... fyi
[10:18] <Richie> umm
[10:18] <Richie> wait ignore that umm..
[10:19] <Richie> well sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didnt work
[10:19] <Richie> how do i edit the conf file again to add a res?
[10:20] <TheRepacker> Hi All. I hosed my kernel this morning by installing Nvidia 100.14.19 , getting random lockups, so I want to use the 9636 driver, but 100.14 has modified the kernel. Anyone know how to get the older unmodified kernel back?
[10:22] <IntuitiveNipple> TheRepacker: remove the 100.14.19 nvidia kernel module and then do "sudo depmod -a" to update dependencies, should stop it loading pretty conclusively
[10:24] <TheRepacker> Roger, the system has been working great since tribe 2 with 9636, and I knew 100.11 have problems I should have waited to see if anyone else had problems first.
[10:31] <c01100011> best way to upgrade to gutsy is to change everything in my sources.list ?
[10:32] <Aondo> c01100011  no the update-manager -d is your best bet
[10:33] <c01100011> -d flag is ?
[10:33] <c01100011> dist upgrade
[10:33] <c01100011> ?
[10:34] <finalbeta> --help
[10:34] <Vegar> how can I make the update manager not update packages I have built myself?
[10:34] <Vegar> or rather, rebuilt
[10:35] <Richie> THANK YOU DARKMONKEY!
[10:35] <finalbeta> Those should not have been installed to the standard locations, so that shouldn't be a problem.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> -d is development
[10:36] <finalbeta> If you have done that, and you upgrade, things could go badly.
[10:36] <Vegar> finalbeta: was that for me?
[10:36] <finalbeta> Vegar: yes
[10:36] <Vegar> I have rebuilt the .debs
[10:36] <gnomefreak> with higher versions
[10:36] <Vegar> now update manager and apt wants to download new debs
[10:36] <Vegar> versions are the same
[10:37] <gnomefreak> thats right
[10:37] <gnomefreak> Vegar: its replacing yours with official packages there are changes and im assuming its because of the #ubuntu# that is causing it
[10:37] <gnomefreak> to be higher than yours
[10:38] <Vegar> right
[10:39] <Vegar> well, how do I prevent them from being upgraded?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> you need to pin it but normally not a good idea since ubuntu made thier own changes to the package
[10:39] <gnomefreak> !pinning
[10:39] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[10:40] <Vegar> gnomefreak: I rebuilt from the ubuntu sources
[10:40] <gnomefreak> there should be an option for something like it in synaptic afaik
[10:41] <Vegar> synaptic settings doesn't affect apt
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Vegar: than you should have bumped the number
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Vegar: it should
[10:41] <gnomefreak> it very much should since synaptic is using apt
[10:42] <gnomefreak> synaptic == graphical interface to apt/dpkg nothing more nothing less
[10:42] <Vegar> yes, but the pinning thing in synaptic doesn't prevent a manual apt-get upgrade from upgrading the package
[10:43] <gnomefreak> it *should* not saying it does as the packages i build are always higher than ubuntus version unless im packaging it for ubuntu
[10:43] <Richie> can anyone tell me what lirc_gpio is?
[10:43] <rathel> I've been having issues with firefox and it's security component dialog.
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Richie: lirc is for remotes
[10:43] <gnomefreak> rathel: describe problem and what version
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Richie: its not in the repos under that name
[10:44] <Richie> gnome: cause its in my restricted drivers under that name.
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Richie: you might ask from the place you got it
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Richie: show doesnt find it
[10:45] <Vegar> Ok
[10:45] <Vegar> I'll try pinning
[10:45] <gnomefreak> so i would say you didnt get it from repos as show shows the source package
[10:45] <gnomefreak> Richie: but either way its a remote control something
[10:47] <Richie> gnome: thats wierd..cause i got nothing like that on my laptop
[10:48] <rathel> gnomefreak, I get this error: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Could_not_initialize_the_browser_security_component , I can temporary fix it by using safe mode to diasble extensions then I can enable them again it'll be be good sometime before it'll do it again.
[10:48] <darrend__> I've lost the panel applet tht shows networks (wireless) and allows switching between them.  How do I get it back?  I don't see it in the "Add to panel..." dialog
[10:48] <gnomefreak> rathel: what version?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> rathel: i think we takled about this the other day
[10:50] <gnomefreak> not me and you but us (ubuntu-mozilla devel)
[10:50] <rathel> gnomefreak, 2.0.0.6
[10:50] <rathel> ah okay.
[10:51] <gnomefreak> ill find out monday the next ff push and what it will be, it will not happen till nextweekend or the following week
[10:52] <rathel> That's fine, I just thought it was strange recently it's been happening alot.
[10:53] <rathel> I think it's the session saver thing, it's the only thing I turned on recently. I'll turn it off and see if it still does it.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> rathel: let me know if it happens a week after beta release
[10:53] <Balaams_Miracle> Since a few updates ago, nothing except for fstab gets automatically mounted in Gnome anymore. I'm specifically talking about USB sticks and CDs/DVDs.
[10:53] <gnomefreak> rathel: it sounds like an extension issue
[10:54] <gnomefreak> rathel: safe-mode diables all extensions thats why you dont see it when you use safe-mode
[10:54] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: that would nee dto be in bug format
[10:54] <gnomefreak> need to
[10:54] <gnomefreak> Balaams_Miracle: nothing we can do for the next week or week and half
[10:55] <rathel> gnomefreak, Yeah, but didn't do anything with my extensions infact I uninstalled most of them.. lol It's just started after I turned on the "Continue from Last Session" thing in the preferences.
[10:55] <underwatercow> After Gutsy releases, is there a way to start receiving updates for the next release?
[10:55] <Balaams_Miracle> gnomefreak: okay, i could file a bugreport, but i was wondering if this was a known issue, or perhaps that some config file is corrupted
[10:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Balaams_Miracle: one or two others have mentioned it, but we've not been able to reproduce it
[10:56] <gnomefreak> rathel: uninstall all of them than see if it gets better if not than change that setting back and see. but either way nothing we can do about user modifications
[10:56] <IntuitiveNipple> File a bug report if you can't find similar to it
[10:57] <rathel> gnomefreak, Yeah I know, I just brought it up to see what ya'll had to say. that's all. :)
[10:57] <jrbl> Hi.  Can anyone suggest why I wouldn't be able to log into a regular GNOME session, but only Failsafe?
[10:57] <Balaams_Miracle> IntuitiveNipple: what package would be responsible for automounting removable devices?
[10:58] <IntuitiveNipple> gnome-mount
[10:58] <jrbl> When I try to log in regular, it just pops up a dialogue box saying that my session lasted less than 10 seconds - which is sort of obvious, and not very helpful.
[10:58] <gnomefreak> rathel: as a mozilla maintainer i can say that there is a reason why we dont ship all prefferences, its not a oh hell lets make people mad by not turning this on by default
[10:58] <jrbl> It doesn't drop anything in /var/crash, and I can't make heads or tails of the stuff in .xsession-errors.
[10:58] <gnomefreak> although sometimes i wish it was ;)
[10:59] <Balaams_Miracle> IntuitiveNipple: thanks, i'll go and see if i can mess with something to aleviate the probs
[10:59] <gnomefreak> jrbl: thats cool i never got error like that ;) file a bug with your logs including /var/log/xorg.0.log
[11:00] <jrbl> Ok.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> jrbl: we are going through alot of X changes and bugs since the stink everyone made about getting 7.3 in we had no plan on it since we migrated changes to 7.2 but bryce did upgrade it :(
[11:01] <jrbl> Ok.
[11:03] <rathel_> ...
[11:04] <jrbl> Filling it out now.
[11:05] <rathel_> lol I think my Gutsy crashed hard, can't do anything :X.
[11:06] <gnomefreak> rathel: turn off compiz
[11:06] <rathel_> gnomefreak, I don't use compiz or XGL, xgl uses up way to much cpu.
[11:06] <gnomefreak> rathel_: what video cad?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> card?
[11:07] <rathel_> 9700.
[11:07] <rathel_> Radeon.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ok good
[11:07] <rathel_> XGL and Compiz worked great on 7.04.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> than something is really wrong if it crashed i havent had gnome crash yet (i was on gutsy before feisty release
[11:08] <gnomefreak> rathel_: i think need for XGl is finally gone
[11:08] <jrbl> bbiam; going to generate the bug again so I can get exact texts
[11:08] <rathel_> Well.. I wasn't using either with my computer crashed.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> rathel_: gnome?
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> so, hows it comin?  doin good??
[11:08] <gnomefreak> rathel_: what do you see in /var/crash?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: busy
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> ahh
[11:09] <CaBlGuY> still lots to do yet?
[11:09] <rathel_> gnomefreak, my computer is still booting, I'm using a different comp.
[11:09] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: we are frozen for the next week or so, only important updates will be pushed for beta1
[11:09] <CaBlGuY> wow..
[11:10] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: still alot if issues due to adding late in cycle
[11:10] <CaBlGuY> well, as long as it's right when it comes out..  that's the man thing..
[11:10] <gnomefreak> but this week since i did what i needed to is just gonna be fixing bugs and waiting for thaw
[11:11] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: hard to say someone in here is crashing gnome
[11:11] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: others cant boot
[11:11] <CaBlGuY> wow..  I've never seen Gnome crash..
[11:11] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: others have few issues
[11:11] <gnomefreak> CaBlGuY: me neither
[11:11] <gnomefreak> its X crashing if i had to guess without seeing logs
[11:11] <CaBlGuY> but, still, it's good to see it now and not on the actual distro..
[11:12] <gnomefreak> .me thinks X is still way off from stable but thats my opinion
[11:12] <CaBlGuY> I had some issues when I tried to upgrade fomr edgy to Fiesty with Xcrashing or not even starting up..  it was wierd..
[11:12] <CaBlGuY> *from
[11:12] <rathel> gnomefreak, this is what is in /var/crash http://pastebin.com/d55f3f8f6
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yes that is either X or gtk2 im gonna say X
[11:13] <gnomefreak> again i cant see in them
[11:13] <gnomefreak> rathel: look in home dir for a nautilus crash file
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yes i know it shouldnt go there but it still does :)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> might be fixed with latest kernel
[11:14] <gnomefreak> brb going for smoke
[11:14] <rathel> gnomefreak, I don't see a nautilus crash file.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> good
[11:14] <gnomefreak> rathel: are those all new?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> yes im trying to go for one. if they arnt all new than rm all of them and try to crash it again see what logs you get.
[11:15] <rathel> gnomefreak, No, a day old.
[11:25] <darrend> anyone know how to stop gnome-screensaver interfering with games being played fullscreen? (ie it keeps trying to blank the screen and lock it during play)
[11:25] <jrbl> Turn it off?
[11:25] <pkern> Could someone please point me to -dbgsym for gutsy? (No browser here, console only.)
[11:29] <pkern> PriceChild: Could you please do me a favour and lookup the apt source for -dbgsym/gutsy for me?
[11:30] <PriceChild> lookup the apt source?
[11:30] <pkern> *cough*
[11:31] <asabil> hi all
[11:31] <asabil> did anyone take a look at bug 102818 ?
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102818 in ubuntu "macbook volume control doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102818
[11:31] <PriceChild> pkern, what do you mean?
[11:32] <pkern> Got it. Bah.
[11:32] <pkern> Whyever the w3m on Ubuntu did not like the Wiki, the server did.
[11:35] <geser> pkern: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs gutsy main universe
[11:35] <pkern> geser: Thanks.
[11:36] <PriceChild> Right so you wanted the repository holding the gutsy -dbgsym packages...
[11:40] <rohan> if i nominate a bug for gutsy, does it mean someone needs to approve it first ?
[11:40] <rohan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/109882/
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109882 in fedora "Headphone automute not working" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[11:41] <strabes> how do I tell what upgrades do?
[11:41] <rohan> i don't know the issue is strange because it's already been fixed upstream but not in gutsy yet .. !!
[11:41] <strabes> like i'd like to know what the new fglrx released today does
[11:41] <rohan> strabes: reading the changelog for that package ?
[11:41] <strabes> rohan: how do i do taht?
[11:41] <strabes> i mean, how do I access it
[11:41] <chrissturm> hey guys, where can i see what hotkeys compiz has defined?
[11:42] <Blackgoth> in the manpage?
[11:42] <rohan> strabes: simple way i know is packages.ubuntu.com/packagename and download the changelog from there, at the bottom
[11:43] <rohan> crimsun: are you around ?
[11:44] <Vegar> is pidgin supposed to crash a lot?
[11:44] <rohan> no
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> anybody with a thinkpad around?
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> would need to be one with a radeon 7500 graphics card
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> need somebody to help me confirm bug 141609
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[11:48] <Vegar> tarheelcoxn: I have one
[11:48] <Vegar> oh
[11:48] <Vegar> nvidia graphics
[11:49] <tarheelcoxn> Vegar: thanks anyway
[12:05] <HyperCity> i'm tryng to compile a plugin for gimp 2.3 but i get this Package gimp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. what is the sintax for the makefile?
[12:17] <maria> anyone feel like helping me turn on desktop effects
[12:18] <maria> when i click on enable it says cannot, but im pretty sure 3d acceleration is working since t he restricted nvidia driver automatically installed
[12:19] <xero9364> 42.
[12:21] <bjwebb> hi
[12:23] <bjwebb> how do i update from tribe 5 to latest build?
[12:23] <maria> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:23] <bjwebb> maria: proably, but its not doing anything :S
[12:23] <Vegar> dist-upgrade is just like a normal upgrade with special conflicts solving
[12:24] <bjwebb> Vegar: ahh, so do i need some flags?
[12:24] <maria> bjwebb : stupid question but did you update first
[12:24] <maria> ?
[12:24] <theCore> does anyone else has remarked that PNG icons in Gutsy look blurry?
[12:24] <Vegar> bjwebb: no
[12:24] <bjwebb> maria: no
[12:24] <bjwebb> and i know about update command
[12:24] <Vegar> bjwebb: AFAIK, the software updater should keep you up to date
[12:24] <bjwebb> no wonder i couldn't find ff
[12:24] <maria> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:25] <bjwebb> maria: i know :S
[12:25] <maria> oh
[12:25] <maria> im new to this so i have no idea
[12:25] <maria> i;ve only had ubuntu a couple of months
[12:25] <bjwebb> what were you using before?
[12:26] <maria> windows
[12:26] <bjwebb> :O
[12:26] <maria> but i really want mythtv for my living room so im trying to learn slowly
[12:26] <bjwebb> ive only been using *buntu for a few months too actually
[12:27] <maria> now im trying to get desktop effects enabled
[12:27] <maria> but im using an old pc
[12:27] <bjwebb> oh
[12:27] <maria> p4 1.6 with a old legacy nvidia card
[12:27] <maria> im not quite sure if itll even handle it
[12:28] <maria> i think its a riva tnt2
[12:28] <maria> its agp at least
[12:44] <bjwebb> whatll happen if i end a dist upgrade?
[12:47] <databuddy> i'm happy to report successful upgrade from feisty 32bit x86 to same gutsy via changing sources went really smooth!
[12:47] <databuddy> and very nonstandard install too :>
[12:49] <Xero> databuddy, congrats,
[12:49] <databuddy> ^_^ ty!!
[12:49] <bjwebb> will it confuse it completely if i end an upgrade part way through?
[12:50] <bjwebb> its gutsy tibe 5 to latest gutsy packages rather than feisty to gutsy
[12:54] <Pici> bjwebb: Its not a good idea to stop any package installation in the middle
[12:55] <VousDeux> In Ubuntu, how can I change the default repeat rate for keyboard. I changed it on the System menu, but that only seems to apply after I logon.
[12:56] <Balaams_Miracle> Paron my ignorance, but how come NetworkManager adds new HAL devices on my system?
[12:56] <tekhawk> status on nvidia kernal mod?
[12:57] <Balaams_Miracle> The HAL devices in question are USB devices, CD/DVD stations, etc...
[12:58] <Vorbote> Balaams_Miracle: you are making the wrong connection. Those devices are added by udev+dbus
[12:59] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: How else should i read the following line from my syslog?: Sep 23 00:52:46 balaam-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1190501566.576734]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_empty_cd_rw').
[12:59] <Vorbote> That's because Network Manager is listening to the dbus port and logging more than pertains to itself.
[12:59] <Vorbote> A bug, obviously.
[01:00] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: Ah, that explains a lot then
[01:00] <Vorbote> Those events are sent by hal through dbus and caught by client apps, like gnomevfs for example.
[01:01] <Balaams_Miracle> I was just about to ask if uninstalling NM would cripple HAL, but you've already answered that question :-)
[01:01] <Vorbote> and from there to gnome-mount if it is a removable device you have in automount mode.
[01:02] <Vorbote> Yup, the other way around would be baaad thogh.
[01:02] <Vorbote> though
[01:02] <Balaams_Miracle> Man, there is so much still to learn for me :-)
[01:03] <Vorbote> :-P
[01:03] <Vorbote> But, yes, today we are married to udev+hal+dbus till deatch do up part. That's what allows the desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, XFCE) to do magic with hardware.
[01:05] <Balaams_Miracle> Gotta say that i love hal+udev+dbus (HUD?). Years ago, i tried my hands on RedHat 6, but back then, Linux wasn't very friendly towards those that were used to the ease of use of Windows.
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> I've made the switch this last december and although i've sort of got my bearings, i am now trying to understand Linux. Like what makes Linux do what.
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> Every day is an adventure :-)
[01:11] <Vorbote> Definitely. I myself I'm having fun implementing SELinux in Debian (it can be done in Ubuntu too, but with AppArmor, I want to compare both).
[01:12] <javabugz> has anyone been able to get mplayer to work with dvd menu?
[01:12] <javabugz> seems that dvdnav:// does not work