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| ScottK | lamont: Fix Released with an open task for Dapper if it's SRU worthy. | 12:52 |
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| lamont | ScottK: uh... "open task for dapper".. I assume there's a "create task" label somewhere on the page, eh? | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | lool: `Nominate for release', IIRC. | 12:59 |
| Fujitsu | Bah, lamont ^^ | 12:59 |
| lamont | ok | 01:01 |
| ScottK | WHat Fujitsu said. | 01:03 |
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| pochu | lamont: you can't do it without nominating: change the url from lp.net/ubuntu/+source... to lp.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source..., and then click on "This bug also needs fixing here" (or something like that) | 01:22 |
| pochu | s/can't/can/ | 01:22 |
| pochu | That way you don't need a driver to approve it... (dunno if you're a driver though hehe) | 01:22 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: It's not drivers - that piece of text is entirely wrong. | 01:23 |
| Fujitsu | It's uploaders to the component. | 01:23 |
| pochu | I thought it was drivers who had to approve them... | 01:24 |
| pochu | Oh, it was some time ago, wasn't it? | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | it used to be that core-devs where drivers | 01:24 |
| pochu | But there was a spec... motu-bugs-permissions, or something like that | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | but they've changed it to be uploaders to the component | 01:24 |
| LaserJock | right | 01:24 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: motu-bug-persmissions [sic] | 01:25 |
| pochu | Anyway, I can also 'approve' a nomination for a bug, with that workaround ;) | 01:26 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: Yep, their permissions are very well enforced. | 01:26 |
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| yipe | Thank you, thank you, thank you a thousand times thank you devs for gutsy! | 01:38 |
| yipe | I love it already! | 01:38 |
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| cjwatson | davmor2: ctrl-alt-f1, 'dmesg | grep BUG' please | 02:18 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I agree with you, "upload and have archive admins approve when ready" is a better process | 02:18 |
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| gnomefreak | cjwatson: i had daily ISO i think tuesdays freeze at 15% during install if it happens again i should beable to save the files to usb stick right? so i can add to bug report? | 02:34 |
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| cjwatson | gnomefreak: we know Tuesday's was hopelessly busted | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | unionfs was broken | 02:35 |
| jdong | usb works for me today | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | anything before this afternoon's build is not interesting | 02:35 |
| gnomefreak | cjwatson: ah ok cool | 02:35 |
| jdong | cjwatson: as I commented earlier today unionfs is still a bit busted on .1 today... | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | jdong: yes but it's not clear how bad yet | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | (it's working fine for me so it's not a universal problem) | 02:35 |
| gnomefreak | i will grab mondays/tuesdays than and test | 02:35 |
| jdong | it was bad enough that I couldn't get ubiquity to load :( | 02:35 |
| jdong | I posted a dmesg on the bug report | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | ok, I can't do anything right now and don't intend to, I have a zillion other things to fix before bed | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | your concern is noted for Monday :-) | 02:36 |
| jdong | no sweat, no hurry | 02:36 |
| jdong | just wanted to make sure you guys were aware of it :) | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | there is lots of hurry, beta is five days | 02:36 |
| jdong | but sleep first :) | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | no, fix wubi first | 02:37 |
| cjwatson | then sleep | 02:37 |
| jdong | you're a trooper | 02:37 |
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| mthaddon | LP going down for maintenance in 15 minutes for 1 hour | 03:43 |
| calc | looks like i can't get rid of the java deps for ooo, but was able to disable the system lp-solve which saved some space | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | mthaddon: bazaar.lp.net isn't down already, is it? | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | I get ECONNREFUSED from it | 03:50 |
| calc | so we only ended up saving ~ 4MB so far with tweaking ooo | 03:51 |
| mthaddon | cjwatson, it is, yes - timing was for the web front end | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | argh | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | mthaddon: what's this downtime for? I thought this week was meant to be clear | 03:51 |
| calc | cjwatson: wow you are up early | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | calc: late | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | I was hoping to get this code committed before the downtime | 03:51 |
| mthaddon | cjwatson, bug fix post 1.1.9 release - I think next week is meant to be the clear week | 03:51 |
| cjwatson | mthaddon: beta is Thursday | 03:52 |
| cjwatson | we need a stable and available Launchpad | 03:52 |
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| kiko | hi there | 03:53 |
| kiko | I know | 03:53 |
| cjwatson | this downtime will significantly reduce the chances of the Windows installer work making it into gutsy, since I was trying to land the last few fixes so that we could test them tomorrow morning | 03:53 |
| cjwatson | (the last few fixes that we know about) | 03:53 |
| cjwatson | can it at least be delayed an hour or two? | 03:53 |
| kiko | cjwatson, I guess that's up to mthaddon. I have already been awake for some 18 hours, I can wait another two. :) | 03:54 |
| kiko | let me chat with him. | 03:54 |
| cjwatson | I'm up late too | 03:54 |
| kiko | I know | 03:54 |
| cjwatson | kiko: I realise bug fixes are often exceptions, which is fair enough, but could you clarify whether this week or next is the clear week? | 03:55 |
| cjwatson | (aside from this particular case) | 03:55 |
| kiko | cjwatson, it's next week. | 03:55 |
| kiko | next week is week zero. | 03:55 |
| cjwatson | so the week after beta? | 03:55 |
| kiko | cjwatson, it is likely the rollout will not take a full hour | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | oh, by "week" you mean Mon-Fri? | 03:56 |
| kiko | the week that starts on the 24th | 03:56 |
| kiko | yes | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | sorry, I'm so used to thinking in Ubuntu weeks which start and end on Thursday :-) | 03:56 |
| kiko | heh | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | ok, that's cool | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | kiko: I can't realistically stay awake until 4am | 03:56 |
| kiko | cjwatson, how much more time do you need? | 03:57 |
| calc | cjwatson: inject some caffeine ;) | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | kiko: about 20-30 minutes I think | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | it's just a matter of landing commits and uploading; we can turn off the publisher at this point if the uploader stays up | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | (so that Tom isn't blocked on waiting for the publisher to stop) | 03:58 |
| kiko | cjwatson, let's try and do the rollout quick so you're not blocked. it shouldn't take more than 15 minutes tbh, and if it does we can abort. deal? | 03:59 |
| cjwatson | kiko: ok, I can cope with that | 04:00 |
| kiko | thanks | 04:00 |
| cjwatson | I'll go and get more coffee | 04:00 |
| kiko | seems like I owe many beers tonight | 04:00 |
| Riddell | davmor2: pong | 04:03 |
| Riddell | davmor2: evand does ubiquity | 04:03 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: I answered him | 04:05 |
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| kiko | cjwatson, it's going smoothly, should be soon now. | 04:12 |
| kiko | the database updated fine. | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | great | 04:13 |
| mthaddon | cjwatson, should be back up | 04:17 |
| cjwatson | great | 04:17 |
| mthaddon | please check and let me know | 04:18 |
| cjwatson | yep, works fine now | 04:18 |
| mthaddon | cool | 04:18 |
| cjwatson | thanks for your speed, I appreciate it | 04:18 |
| kiko | cjwatson, thanks so much. | 04:18 |
| cjwatson | sorry to make a fuss :-/ | 04:18 |
| mthaddon | np | 04:18 |
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| lamont | interesting that the unaccepted queue has -12.37.{diff.gz,dsc} and -12.38_source.changes.... | 04:54 |
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| kiko-zzz | cjwatson, everything going okay? | 04:55 |
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| cjwatson | kiko-zzz: yep, all fine now | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | about to fall over | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | lamont: probably tomorrow after CD builds | 05:09 |
| kiko-zzz | cjwatson, good job. congrats :) | 05:09 |
| lamont | ah, right. | 05:09 |
| lamont | I suppose I'll live. | 05:09 |
| cjwatson | kiko-zzz: we'll see whether it all works ... | 05:10 |
| lamont | cjwatson: how hard would it be for me to find a copy of the dsc, diff.gz and source.changes files before then? | 05:10 |
| cjwatson | lamont: they should all be in the Launchpad librarian | 05:10 |
| cjwatson | or do you mean of -12.37? | 05:10 |
| cjwatson | lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/unapproved/ | 05:11 |
| lamont | that has -12.37 diff/dsc, and .38 source.changes... | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | the .changes is misnamed, that's all | 05:11 |
| cjwatson | if you actually look at it it's for .36 | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | er, for .37 | 05:12 |
| cjwatson | dunno what kyle did to that | 05:12 |
| lamont | there are tags for 12.37 and 12.38 in git... | 05:12 |
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| lamont | and the next upload looks like it wants to be -12.39 atm | 05:16 |
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| lamont | test build queued | 05:22 |
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| manchicken | Anybody seen mvo lately? | 06:31 |
| === desrt blunts the end of Hobbsee's long pointy stick in the name of channel safety | ||
| desrt | pretty sure the CoC has negative things to say about skewering | 06:34 |
| === desrt finds section 72 184a.57 -- "No skewering during feature freeze." | ||
| LaserJock | manchicken: I saw him today | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | today my time anyway | 06:36 |
| manchicken | I totally need to pick his brain. | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | I'm actually looking for him too | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | gnome-app-install is acting funny on me :( | 06:37 |
| manchicken | I'm trying to figure out how to get changelog URL generation working under adept. mvo *is* the documentation for libapt. | 06:37 |
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| Hobbsee | desrt: heh :) | 06:50 |
| Hobbsee | desrt: you wish. | 06:50 |
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| desrt | oh. ow. | 06:53 |
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| `23meg | Hobbsee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553726 | 07:22 |
| jdong | would almost seem like the forusms are giving monkeys a bad name :D | 07:27 |
| IntuitiveNipple | an alternative might be a 'vote' portlet that non-commenting users can do the +1 with to indicate their interest in the bug, without creating comment spam | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: *grin* | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: ah yes, i think i saw that in my email | 07:29 |
| jdong | :) | 07:29 |
| jdong | IntuitiveNipple: perhaps at UDS we can hammer out some good way of flowing between LP and the forums | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | IntuitiveNipple: true - but popularity is not the only meter, nor a particularly good meter, of the priority of the bug. | 07:30 |
| `23meg | IntuitiveNipple, subscribing is a way of showing one's interest | 07:30 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Hobbsee: agreed, but getting some feedback as to the number of users actively affected is useful in deciding what to tackle and what priority to set | 07:31 |
| IntuitiveNipple | `23meg: Yes, but how many of those users will then send "unsubscribe" messages trying to leave? :) | 07:31 |
| `23meg | unsubscribing from a bug doesn't send mail to everyone | 07:32 |
| `23meg | neither does subscribing | 07:32 |
| evand | Isn't this what the developer forum on ubuntuforums is for? Soliciting feedback, that is. | 07:32 |
| evand | I fear the day when this activity spreads to most other bugs. | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | jdong: LP-forums stuff has been discuss for ever UDS I've been at, which is the last 3 | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | *discussed | 07:33 |
| `23meg | jdong, there's also a blueprint I think | 07:33 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'm working on something similar, for Hardy, automated collection of hardware profiles and association with bug, and integration with Laptop-Testing, so we have a structured view of bug impact and effects, and a 'hardware popularity' contest | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | I honestly think it's better for devs to go to the forums than the forums goin to devs | 07:34 |
| evand | +1 ;) | 07:34 |
| IntuitiveNipple | No reason not to have a link on a bug, to a forum thread URL, same as forums do to launchpad :) | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | IntuitiveNipple: true. | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: if they do it stupidly, yes it does spam pepole. | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: so it seems. which is why it wont get done :P | 07:43 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, people who post "+1" rarely use the mail interface | 07:43 |
| IntuitiveNipple | wow, first major fog of the autumn out my window... I was expecting a nice sunrise | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | `23meg: is there any way to anticipate when a bug report is gonna get spammed? | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: when it's something that lots of forum users would want | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: and set it to private, when that happens. | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | if you can put a link to a forum thread for all the +1 stuff that allows people to still voice themselves | 07:45 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, when a link is posted to a controversial forum thread, or one in which inexperienced users are involved | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | but doesn't get in the way of the bug reports or send bug spam | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: i think they did - and they spammed teh report anyway | 07:45 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | Also, if you do that, they can add a vote to the forum thread, and +1 away :) | 07:45 |
| IntuitiveNipple | reflect the vote results into the bug report, if there's a forum link :) | 07:46 |
| IntuitiveNipple | makes +1 users happy, and saves tempers fraying for devs | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | `23meg: I don't see a link to the forums from the bug report | 07:47 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, it's the opposite | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | or rather that was for Hobbsee | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking that the reverse direction is more helpful | 07:48 |
| `23meg | how exactly should that be done? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | put a link in the bug report | 07:48 |
| `23meg | to a forum thread, and say "post the +1s here"? | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | yes, basically | 07:49 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I like the idea, because prompter text could say "to vote or discuss this bug visit this forum thread" | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | we've been looking at linking from forums to launchpad | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | but maybe going the other day around is more helpful | 07:50 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, the forums have a "link to LP bug" function | 07:51 |
| IntuitiveNipple | That's been there for a while - there's an option for a link to launchpad at least | 07:51 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I know I've used it a few times | 07:51 |
| `23meg | but I doubt it does anything beyond putting a bug URL on top of the forum post | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | right, I know it's there | 07:51 |
| `23meg | it's not possible to query for forum posts related to a certain bug, etc. | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying sending hordes of people to LP doesn't really help us much does it? | 07:52 |
| `23meg | sure | 07:52 |
| `23meg | in this particular case, one user said something in the lines of "if you want this package included, please show your support in LP" | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | right | 07:53 |
| `23meg | which hints to lack of knowledge of bug tracker etiquette | 07:53 |
| `23meg | which in turn brings us to the fact that the bug tracker has no etiquette page | 07:53 |
| IntuitiveNipple | you know what? that K3B trumpet fanfare when it completes a burn made me spill my mug of tea! | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | lol | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | c | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | `23meg: would people read it? | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | wrong window | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | IntuitiveNipple: IMO the ejecting of your drive should be enough. :p | 07:54 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, whether people would read it is separate question | 07:54 |
| IntuitiveNipple | TheMuso: lol... I was stood up looking out across the fields, absorbed in thought | 07:55 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I think what we really want is to keep LP secret from the forum users, but have a link from LP to forums for devs to be able to look at discussions surrounding user experiences :) | 07:56 |
| `23meg | when it's not there, there's nothing concrete to hold people accountable against | 07:56 |
| StevenK | IntuitiveNipple: Ah, so Launchpad asks "Are j00 a forum user?" when signing up? :-P | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | true | 07:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | lol | 07:56 |
| `23meg | in other bug trackers, when users breach the etiquette, people typically post a link to the etiquette page (see GNOME bugzilla) | 07:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | You've got my drift... it's the silly time of the day | 07:57 |
| IntuitiveNipple | 7am and I've been programming 5 hours | 07:57 |
| StevenK | Or in the Gentoo bug tracker, refuse to fix the bug unless the submitter refiles it following etiquette rules | 07:57 |
| minghua | Hmm, I think I registered for forum before becoming a LP user. | 07:58 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Hmm, not sure I like that idea. I feel 'told off' if a bug report is marked 'Invalid' when it has resolved itself... I would like a "Resolved" status :) | 07:58 |
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| minghua | Because forum predates LP IIRC. | 07:58 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I find forums better for documenting... code-formatting, quoting, and so forth | 07:59 |
| `23meg | sure, the forums are much older than LP | 07:59 |
| minghua | It's true that LP's web interface sucks for quoting, but email is always there. | 08:00 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I don't think it does HTML <> LP does it? | 08:01 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Grrr! I can't win. The Gutsy LiveCD fails through unionfs/i810 issues on the vaio notebooks, and now the alternate claims the CD isn't in the drive after it just booted from it! | 08:02 |
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| kagou | good morning | 08:11 |
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| slytherin | pitti: When you say soname should remain same for a new version of library, what exactly does it mean? | 12:48 |
| pitti | slytherin: i. e. the API and ABI must be backwards compatible | 12:50 |
| slytherin | pitti: Does it have anything to do with actual name of .so file? | 12:50 |
| pitti | slytherin: if you upgrade the library, all existing binary packages which linked and depend against the old version must continue to work with the newer library | 12:50 |
| pitti | slytherin: the 'soname' is the common means of designating the backwards compatible "ABI version" | 12:51 |
| slytherin | pitti: Ok | 12:51 |
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| stgraber | pitti: The tracker worked correctly yesterday and e-mail notifications were correctly sent, so next time you'll be able to add the new ISOs yourself. | 01:09 |
| pitti | stgraber: cool | 01:10 |
| pitti | stgraber: who does it notify now? | 01:10 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: we might as well cancel testing of alternate images; they're screwed | 01:14 |
| cjwatson | I just uploaded netcfg to fix them | 01:14 |
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| pitti | cjwatson, stgraber: alternates disabled in iso tracker | 01:28 |
| pitti | stgraber: ^ erm, at least I wanted to; it doesn't actually seem to work; can you please have a look? | 01:29 |
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| stgraber | pitti: ok, I'll have a look. e-mail notifications are sent to people with e-mail notification enabled in their tracker profile (My profile) | 01:47 |
| pitti | cjwatson: FYI, if someone complains about ubiquity crashing with a mmap SystemError, I filed bug 144001 | 01:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144001 in python-apt "crashes with SystemError: E:Unable to write mmap - msync" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144001 | 01:48 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: alternate also means Edubuntu server and all the Netboot right ? | 01:48 |
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| stgraber | pitti: in fact the ISOs were correctly disabled (you can't post a result), it's just the ISOs list that doesn't show "rebuilding" | 01:53 |
| pitti | stgraber: ah, I see | 01:54 |
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| slytherin | Do I need original maintainer field if the version I am packaging is not in debian? | 02:27 |
| stgraber | Anyone having problems with ekiga ? (ekiga: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev) | 02:28 |
| Kmos | slytherin: for ubuntu you need.. XSBC-Original-Maintaner... | 02:28 |
| Kmos | and Maintainer: | 02:29 |
| stgraber | I'll try a package rebuild and see if that's just some kind of library change that's causing it | 02:29 |
| slytherin | Kmos: ok | 02:29 |
| Kmos | slytherin: better to ask on #ubuntu-motu | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: i think there may have been a bug on that filed earlier, actually | 02:34 |
| stgraber | Looks like bug 131569 | 02:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131569 in ekiga "Ekiga does not start (Gutsy) - undefined symbol" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131569 | 02:37 |
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| Hobbsee | stgraber: is that amd64 weirdness, or? | 02:42 |
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| ion_ | benc: | 02:46 |
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| ion_ | Whoops | 02:46 |
| ion_ | benc: The nvidia_supported patch doesnt seem to be included in the newest l-r-m. | 02:46 |
| ion_ | benc: Additionally, the added echo "$start $stop $symname" line messes with its output. | 02:51 |
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| _MMA_ | ion_: Do you mean you cant use the nVidia drivers anymore? Today, with the new upload was the 1st time I could use 'em with -rt. | 03:01 |
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| ion_ | mma: No, only that the modalias pattern list is incorrect. | 03:03 |
| ion_ | benc: As a reminder, the diff to the previous version is at <http://heh.fi/tmp/nvidia_supported.diff> and heres the version with the diff applied, <http://heh.fi/tmp/nvidia_supported>. | 03:04 |
| slytherin | if anyone is interested, I have created libtheora packages for 1.0beta1, should appear in my ppa in some time. http://ppa.launchpad.net/onkarshinde/ubuntu I will file bug on Monday. | 03:04 |
| _MMA_ | ion_: Ahh... Ok. | 03:05 |
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| yacoob | Hi there. Can anyone confirm that this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402332 also applies to feisty? | 03:22 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 402332 in coreutils "cp/mv do not respect default ACL set on the parent directory" [Normal,Open] | 03:22 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: anything using d-i where the installation profile includes the network-manager package | 03:24 |
| asac | Hobbsee: was there a knetwormanager upgrade recently as well? or why can your .knetworkmanagerc become corrupted | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | asac: not to my knowledge. | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | asac: i have no idea. | 03:31 |
| asac | Hobbsee: do you do backups of your HOME? | 03:32 |
| asac | Hobbsee: maybe you can recover the broken file? | 03:32 |
| yacoob | Sigh. Well, bug filed... :( | 03:32 |
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| Hobbsee | asac: er, i should do one of them. i rm'd it, sorry. | 03:33 |
| asac | ok | 03:33 |
| asac | ;) | 03:33 |
| yacoob | there's nothing more annoying when you look for something, you find the "perfect fix" and then it turns out it doesn't work as expected :/ | 03:34 |
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| pkern | If I use boot.img.gz from d-i, does it only retrieve the installer components from the net and on install use the iso provided on the stick or is there some option I could turn on so that it automatically loads everything from the provided cd image? | 03:37 |
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| cjwatson | pkern: boot.img.gz is just a format, not an installation type; the thing you want to look at is whether it's cdrom, hd-media, or netboot | 03:55 |
| cjwatson | pkern: ISTR that hd-media will grab everything from the ISO on the stick if it can | 03:57 |
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| soren | "update-manager -d" on feisty should offer to upgrade to gutsy, shouldn't it? | 04:12 |
| soren | update-manager version is 0.59.23 | 04:12 |
| soren | Ah, I need to run it as root? That doesn't seem right. | 04:14 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | er... ubiquity does start anymore for me on the live-cd (well, that was the first time i tried it). can somebody confirm this? | 04:46 |
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| bigon | hi, could some buildd admin have a look at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/+build/397159 ? | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | !weekend | 04:59 |
| ubotu | It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. | 04:59 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Oh, I guess I accidentally grabbed netboot then, thanks! | 04:59 |
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| Hobbsee | especially for non-beta critical stuff | 04:59 |
| pkern | So almost time to trash the laptop with gutsy encrypted LVM install... ;) | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | bigon: oh, that's a ppa bug. | 05:00 |
| bigon | Hobbsee: yep | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | bigon: in which the correct place to ask is probably #launchpad, but again, the stuff about weekends applies | 05:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 05:03 |
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| pkern | No fun, hd-media reports kernel mismatch... Hm. | 05:16 |
| pkern | Published in gutsy-release 5 hours ago | 05:18 |
| pkern | Gah... !@#@!# | 05:18 |
| \sh | and on my desktop nautilus is getting mad and hitting the harddrive...with something I can't identify...killing nauilus helps, but no gnome comes up.. | 05:18 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Is there a possibility to get a hd-media boot.img.gz built against the current kernel? | 05:18 |
| \sh | strange thing, it just happens on this desktop machine...and not on my laptop | 05:18 |
| jdong | \sh: does a logout help? When I applied the updates yesterday gnome went crazy infinitely regenerating thumbnails | 05:19 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Hm, other way round, the cd image is the problem of course. \: | 05:19 |
| \sh | jdong, nope...reboot doesn't help nothing... | 05:19 |
| \sh | jdong, you say .thumbnails? | 05:19 |
| \sh | hmm | 05:19 |
| jdong | well that was my problem yesterday, yes | 05:20 |
| \sh | jdong, I see after dm login, two or three times my panels coming up and destroying | 05:20 |
| cjwatson | pkern: should already be one | 05:20 |
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| pkern | cjwatson: Yep it is, it's just incompatible to the current cd build. | 05:21 |
| jdong | \sh: that's odd.... it could be the panel's crashing like crazy? | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | current CD build is against -12 too | 05:21 |
| pkern | There was a new revision 5h ago... | 05:21 |
| \sh | jdong, no...when I kill nautilus form console...it stops hitting the harddrive | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | you're just out of date with one or the other I expect | 05:21 |
| jdong | hmm... | 05:21 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Doesn't it also depend on the right kernel revision? | 05:22 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: yes it's amd64 | 05:23 |
| pkern | And how often does d-i get a rebuild pushed to the mirrors? (If it isn't that often my assumption is wrong anyway.) But I do get a mismatch between the hd-media image currently on archive and the current cd image (that's for sure, just jigdo'ed). | 05:23 |
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| cjwatson | pkern: they both have the right kernel version as far as I can see. d-i gets rebuilt manually when I feel like it | 05:26 |
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| Hobbsee | good morning pitti! | 05:26 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Ok, thanks. I will investigate this one. ;) | 05:27 |
| jdong | good morning, world :) | 05:27 |
| jdong | it's a bright and shiny day.... | 05:27 |
| jdong | until someone brings up unionfs :D | 05:27 |
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| pitti | hey Hobbsee | 05:27 |
| lamont | if apache was removed from gutsy, why were libapache-mod-* left? | 05:28 |
| lamont | libapache-mod-{cgi-debug,filter,index-rss,ldap,mp3,random,relocate,text2html,trigger} all build-depend apache-dev | 05:29 |
| \sh | lamont, check the depends...they are transitional packages | 05:31 |
| \sh | sry...those ones | 05:32 |
| bddebian | Oohh, pitti. I was trying to use your syncpackage script for pochu to sync gnome-build but the dang thing keeps failing on signing the package. I have DEBMAIL and DEBSIGN_KEYID set and I have no problems signing my packages or manually signing stuff. Could you help? | 05:32 |
| bddebian | pitti: Oh Hi, bye the way :-) | 05:32 |
| lamont | \sh: ok.. I just know they're ftbfs on gutsy/hppa, and I expect that they'll be ftbfs on the rebuild testing for every other architecture... | 05:33 |
| pitti | bddebian: no idea; just debsign the package manually after syncing it | 05:33 |
| bddebian | lamont: That's a dang fine question. Though libapache-mod-auth-radius became libapache2-mod-auth-radius. Maybe we should do the same where possible for the oothers? | 05:33 |
| pitti | bddebian: it's the last step anyway | 05:33 |
| bddebian | And then just dput it? | 05:34 |
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| pitti | bddebian: well, check the source.changes for sanity first | 05:34 |
| lamont | \sh Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.16), apache-dev (>= 1.3.34) | 05:34 |
| bddebian | pitti: Hrm, this is the same reason signing is failing. I get: Changed-By: Barry deFreese <> in the .changes file | 05:35 |
| pitti | bddebian: ah, so it put in the wrong email address, it seems | 05:36 |
| bddebian | Aye it put no email address :) | 05:36 |
| pitti | bddebian: hm, but $DEBEMAIL is correct? | 05:36 |
| \sh | guys | 05:36 |
| bddebian | DEBMAIL=bddebian@comcast.net | 05:37 |
| pitti | bddebian: DEB*E*MAIL | 05:37 |
| bddebian | gah, wtf. I knew it was going to be something stupid I did | 05:37 |
| \sh | I have in ~/nautilus-debug-log.txt messages like "0x8177888 2997/09/22 17:36:38.1745 (USER): debug log dumped due to signal 11 | 05:37 |
| \sh | and this is hitting my hd so hard.. | 05:37 |
| \sh | what is it? any clue? | 05:37 |
| Vegar | how come the restricted drivers manager tells me I don't need any restricted drivers when I have an nvidia card? | 05:38 |
| bddebian | pitti: Excellent thanks. Now, it shouldn't add a build1 version or anything? I didn't think we were supposed to do that? | 05:39 |
| pitti | Vegar: you have the nv driver ATM? | 05:39 |
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| Vegar | no | 05:39 |
| Vegar | pitti: vesa | 05:39 |
| pitti | bddebian: nope | 05:39 |
| Vegar | pitti: it used to give me the choice to install the nvidia driver | 05:39 |
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| bddebian | pitti: OK, thanks again and sorry to bother you | 05:39 |
| pitti | Vegar: it doesn't even appear in the list? | 05:39 |
| Vegar | no | 05:39 |
| pitti | Vegar: lspci | grep 0300 | 05:40 |
| pitti | ? | 05:40 |
| Vegar | it tells me my hardware doesn't need any restricted drivers | 05:40 |
| Vegar | sec | 05:40 |
| Vegar | I'll log on on the laptop in question | 05:40 |
| Vegar | no matches on that, pitti | 05:41 |
| pitti | Vegar: erm... no graphics card at all?? | 05:41 |
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| Vegar | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1) | 05:43 |
| Vegar | oh, this is the -devel channel | 05:43 |
| Vegar | I thought I was in ubuntu+1 | 05:43 |
| pitti | Vegar: what's the corresponding "lspci -n" line for that? | 05:43 |
| pitti | lamont: that doesn't give me the vendor/product ID :/ | 05:43 |
| lamont | pitti: ah | 05:44 |
| Vegar | pitti: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:0429 (rev a1) | 05:44 |
| pitti | Vegar: ah, so 0300 *does* match | 05:44 |
| Vegar | I might have forgotten the -n flag | 05:44 |
| Vegar | meh | 05:45 |
| pitti | Vegar: right, this model isn't in /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-12-generic/modules.alias.override/nvidia | 05:45 |
| Vegar | ah | 05:45 |
| pitti | Vegar: please file a bug against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 and include above information (vendor/product ID and model name) | 05:45 |
| Vegar | so that's a bug then? | 05:45 |
| pitti | Vegar: you can manually edit that file to include your device ID, if you prefer | 05:46 |
| Vegar | will do | 05:46 |
| Vegar | yeah, I'll do that | 05:46 |
| Vegar | I was looking forward to trying the new nvidia drivers | 05:46 |
| pitti | Vegar: depends; if the card is actually supported by nvidia-glx, it's a bug of that restricted driver | 05:46 |
| Vegar | it's nvidia-glx-new | 05:46 |
| Vegar | isn't nvidia-glx the legacy driver? | 05:47 |
| pitti | Vegar: you can also configure it manually, of course (install nvidia-glx and use displayconfig-gtk to switch the driver) | 05:47 |
| pitti | Vegar: right, -new | 05:47 |
| lamont | pitti: if you get bored feel free to look at the util-linux 2.13-{6,7} diff and tell me if you want that in pre-beta, post-beta, or in hardy. (hwclockfirst.sh is debian only, btw) | 05:47 |
| Vegar | what's the format of the nvidia alias override file? | 05:48 |
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| pitti | Vegar: just copy&paste a line and insert your product ID | 05:50 |
| pitti | alias pci:v000010DEd00000429sv*sd*bc03sc*i* nvidia_new | 05:50 |
| pitti | ^ Vegar | 05:50 |
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| sponix | anyone in here seen the /dev/null permission issue, every boot it goes to 600 instead of 666, _might_ be udev related (but udev rules are set for it at 666) ? | 05:51 |
| Vegar | pitti: ah, wonderful | 05:51 |
| Vegar | pitti: thanks a lot | 05:51 |
| lamont | sponix: but 600 is far more secure than 666. :-D | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | sponix: I'd bet more on some broken init script personally | 05:52 |
| pitti | Vegar: please file a bug, though; in the end it's a bug in that stupid nvidia driver, but we can work around it with that list | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | and we would love to know which it is ... | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | for example something might remove /dev/null which would lead to it being recreated with bogus permissions | 05:52 |
| Vegar | pitti: I'm working on that | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | (doesn't happen here, though) | 05:52 |
| lamont | sponix: is it still a character device file? | 05:53 |
| sponix | lamont: perms are crw-r-r is what they keep getting reset to instead of crw-rw-rw | 05:53 |
| Vegar | pitti: how come it suddenly stopped recognising my card? could it be because it was removed from that list in the latest restricted-modules upgrade? | 05:53 |
| cjwatson | interesting | 05:53 |
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| cjwatson | so it's not just being removed | 05:53 |
| pochu | pitti: gnome-build uploaded. since it's in universe, will it need to wait for beta release, or can you accept it? | 05:54 |
| pitti | Vegar: yes, we updated the driver to a new version; the new nvidia driver might have decided to not support your card any more, or so | 05:54 |
| pitti | pochu: I can accept it | 05:54 |
| cjwatson | sponix: I think you need Keybuk to investigate, when he's around | 05:54 |
| Vegar | ah, that's evil | 05:54 |
| sponix | lamont: see xD card reader on these boxen doesn't wort without udev active in runlevel 2,3,4,5 so I turned that on... after that the problem seems to appear, but even after turning it off except S (startup), the issue still seems to persist | 05:54 |
| lamont | interesting | 05:55 |
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| sponix | lamont: found a quick hack on a forum that makes it _work_ but its a bit dirty, and would like to know what causes the issue so I can fix it properly | 05:55 |
| pochu | pitti: cool, thanks. that way I'll be able to request the anjuta UVFe. | 05:55 |
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| lamont | that is the challenge with quick hacks | 05:55 |
| sponix | I don't mind a simple hack myself, but its on my wifes boxen also, and I have to leave for a year, would like to make sure she is setup correclty | 05:55 |
| sponix | correctly | 05:56 |
| lamont | understandable | 05:56 |
| lamont | remote puppet-master support technology is still in its infancy | 05:57 |
| sponix | lamont: quick h4x0rz was just to drop chmod 666 /dev/null at the end of /etc/init.d/rc.local to reset it to proper state at the _end_ of each boot | 05:57 |
| sponix | but if anything updates bootscripts it could overwrite my change, leaving it so she cannot login | 05:58 |
| cjwatson | sponix: err, you mean you added S links for udev in /etc/rc[2345] .d/ ? | 05:58 |
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| cjwatson | sponix: you really shouldn't do that, it's already started in rcS | 05:59 |
| lamont | and stays running forever | 05:59 |
| cjwatson | sponix: it would probably be easier to find out why you need to start it again there | 05:59 |
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| cjwatson | sponix: forget about runlevel editors, look in /etc/rc2.d with a shell to see if there's anything matching *udev* in there | 06:00 |
| cjwatson | I bet your runlevel editor threw in a K link when you disabled it ... | 06:00 |
| sponix | cjwatson: see I uses sysv-rc-conf and it was default set to just S, I had to add 2,3,4,5 before the card reader would work | 06:00 |
| sponix | cjwatson: had to start udev by hand with /etc/init.d/udev start the first go... prior, her card reader found the card, but didn't make the device for the partition | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | sponix: 'sudo rm -f '/etc/rc[2345] .d/[SK] ??udev' | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | sponix: seriously, that's bad news, I understand it fixed one problem (by luck) but it clearly introduced more | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | lose it | 06:01 |
| sponix | example, it showed /dev/sdg1 or /dev/sdd1 and would have /dev/sdg and /dev/sdd but no the /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sdg1 devices | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | sorry, amend the above | 06:02 |
| sponix | cjwatson: so you want me to try removing udev runlevels _completely_ and then give it a boot ? | 06:02 |
| cjwatson | sudo rm -f /etc/rc[2345] .d/[SK] ??udev | 06:02 |
| sponix | or you want just S and K ? | 06:02 |
| cjwatson | sponix: udev should not be mentioned AT ALL in runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 | 06:02 |
| cjwatson | sponix: it should only be in runlevel S | 06:02 |
| lamont | ls /etc/rc*/*udev* | 06:03 |
| lamont | /etc/rcS.d/S10udev | 06:03 |
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| cjwatson | sponix: your runlevel editor is dumb and did evil things to your system when you did that | 06:03 |
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| sponix | not an problem.. I can mod that wht sysv-rc-conf | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | no, do it at a shell | 06:03 |
| sponix | ha | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | I don't trust that program | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | it broke your system | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | (albeit at your request, but still) | 06:03 |
| sponix | think it was it ? | 06:03 |
| sponix | no, it was just acting on my dumb wishes ! ;) | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | I bet you it left K links in runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 when you asked it to reverse your previous action | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | which shuts down udev which is really bad news | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | run the command I gave above | 06:04 |
| sponix | cjwatson: I'll double check on my broken laptop real fast | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | then make sure that /etc/rcS.d/S10udev exists, as lamont showed above | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | it's not worth trying to debug anything else until you've straightened that out | 06:05 |
| sponix | yep, that command nuked K90udev from 2345 | 06:07 |
| sponix | going to temp remove my h4x0r and reboot, see if it still fsked | 06:07 |
| cjwatson | now, the card reader may be broken again of course, but I bet there are better ways to fix that | 06:08 |
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| sponix | card reader is more for this desktop I'm on now.. but I implimented the "hose" on my laptop also just to make sure I was consistant at fscking things up :P | 06:09 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: Looks like rebuilding libopal (opal) helped, my ekiga no longer crash | 06:12 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: I'll use it for a while (trying to make it crash) and if it's stable ask a core-dev to do a zero-change upload for opal | 06:12 |
| sponix | cjwatson: yep, that unhosed the boot, and udev is still running when I "ps ax|grep udev" | 06:13 |
| cjwatson | great | 06:13 |
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| cjwatson | might be worth filing a bug on sysv-rc-conf - it shouldn't have let you do that | 06:13 |
| sponix | cjwatson: I'll have the wife get me the digital camera card next time I catch her | 06:14 |
| cjwatson | bug 77885 may be related | 06:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 77885 in sysv-rc-conf "Minor: sysv-rc-conf inconsistency displaying rcS.d or not" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77885 | 06:14 |
| cjwatson | certainly, one ought not to be able to set something up to have an entry (whether S or K) in both S and 2/3/4/5 | 06:14 |
| sponix | K=Kill correct ? | 06:16 |
| sponix | I've been using sysv-rc-conf for a while, first time I've had it hose something up, I'll have to remember to double check its work, or quit being lazy and do it by hand | 06:17 |
| sponix | Vista is So Sloooowwwwww, I thought it was locked up on boot... Been running ubuntu-7.04 on the same box for about a week, almost forgot how pathetic vista makes the same hardware look | 06:18 |
| sponix | cjwatson: ever used Linux software raid5 ? | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: i can throw it thru regardless, but it's easier after the main freeze, yes. | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: of course, it's not exactly much I/O to rebuild it anyway, in the grand scheme of things, so then more people can test it. | 06:20 |
| cjwatson | sponix: no | 06:20 |
| cjwatson | sponix: yes, "S" means "run this script with 'start' on entry to this runlevel", "K" means "run this script with 'stop' on entry to this runlevel" | 06:21 |
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| lamont | sponix: root on my feisty machine is sw raid5 | 06:23 |
| sponix | lamont: what do you think of it? I've got 4-6 IDE 500G drives looking to backup my dvd collection, and then either nfs share them out to the other boxen, or make a web interface and vlc stream them | 06:24 |
| lamont | cjwatson: ls /etc/rc*/*hplip* | 06:24 |
| lamont | /etc/rc0.d/K19hplip /etc/rc3.d/S19hplip /etc/rc6.d/K19hplip | 06:24 |
| lamont | /etc/rc1.d/K19hplip /etc/rc4.d/S19hplip | 06:24 |
| lamont | /etc/rc2.d/S19hplip /etc/rc5.d/S19hplip | 06:24 |
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| cjwatson | lamont: yes ...? | 06:25 |
| lamont | sponix: I'd rather have hardware raid. but then, I'm cheap | 06:25 |
| lamont | that's a S in multiple run levels... | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | surely software RAID is the cheap option | 06:25 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: at least I can now call without having ekiga to crash, and doing the same with another ekiga (without the rebuilt libopal) make it crash instantly | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: OK. got the bug #? | 06:26 |
| lamont | cjwatson: and that's why I have sw raid instead of hwraid like I'd prefer... | 06:26 |
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| stgraber | bug 131569 IIRC | 06:26 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131569 in opal "Ekiga does not start (Gutsy) - undefined symbol (dup-of: 117732)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131569 | 06:26 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117732 in opal "ABI changed without a corresponding soname change" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117732 | 06:26 |
| sponix | doesn't have to be super fast, just be able to recover if a drive goes down, hate to lose 1.5+ TB of media over a single drive failing | 06:26 |
| sponix | that is a _very_ long time of ripping my dvd's again :P | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | lamont: I didn't say that was a bad thing | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | lamont: I said putting an entry in S as well as in 2/3/4/5 is probably silly | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | you have nothing in S (by which I meant rcS) there | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | oh, right | 06:26 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 06:27 |
| sponix | cups-pdf is installed by default now, isn't it ... went to put that on the wifes box the other day, told me was already there | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: do i need to mess with sonames and such? | 06:27 |
| stgraber | Hobbsee: only thing I did was to rebuild it using pbuilder | 06:28 |
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| stgraber | Hobbsee: hmm, in fact it looks like I replaced an "undefined symbol" error by a segfault :) | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: woot. | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: looks like debian have packaged it slightly differently, anyway. | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | you know, for something that's apparently the same upstream version, but named differently...surely it should have the same upstream changelog? | 06:34 |
| stgraber | receiving a call make it segfaults now :) I should try with : rebuild libopal + rebuild ekiga maybe that helps | 06:34 |
| stgraber | but IIRC ekiga doesn't build with pbuilder (configure fails on a library version) | 06:35 |
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| Hobbsee | uh......wha? | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | since when does g++ need to be a build depend? | 06:36 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: just to be absolutely sure we have it ;-) | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: ask dholbach about that. | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | stgraber: (in particular, ask if we want to take their changes) | 06:38 |
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| Amaranth | arg | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | session management is no fun | 06:40 |
| broonie | Hobbsee: Things often have a versioned build dep if they don't build with old g++ | 06:41 |
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| Hobbsee | greetings, Burgundavia | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | hey Hobbsee | 06:47 |
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| sponix | cjwatson: I'll be on the right box in a sec to see if I can make the card reader work without the mod to udev runlevels | 06:53 |
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| sponix | cjwatson: ok... back... | 07:03 |
| Vegar | is there a list of the patches applied to the ubuntu kernels? | 07:05 |
| sponix | cjwatson: still with me ? | 07:06 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Sorry, I found the problem, I used the wrong CD image. But is it possible that cryptsetup is missing from the package pool on the CD? | 07:13 |
| pkern | d-i insists on overwriting my sources.lists with the mirror source added, and is thus unable to find cryptsetup. | 07:14 |
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| pkern | The file list only lists the udeb, not the deb... | 07:16 |
| pkern | And `chattr +i /etc/apt/sources.list' lists it break badly, but I expected that somehow. | 07:20 |
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| cjwatson | sponix: I'm no expert on udev rules, so at this point you need the udev maintainer (Keybuk) for further debugging | 07:37 |
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| pkern | It's a binary, not a script that forcefully overwrites the sources.list, right? \: | 07:38 |
| pkern | Rough edges. *cough* | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | pkern: good point - I've moved cryptsetup to ship for the next build | 07:38 |
| sponix | cjwatson: well, wanted to thank you for helping me unhose the base system anyway... | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | pkern: it's a script, but there are plenty of *supported* ways to add sources.list entries ... | 07:38 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Do you have a clue what I need to do at this point? (It installs the base system but breaks on cryptsetup.) | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | pkern: wait for next build | 07:38 |
| pkern | Hah. | 07:39 |
| pkern | Possible but bad solution. \: | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | or wget cryptsetup.deb and install it | 07:39 |
| pkern | cjwatson: Is this sufficient? | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | perfectly good solution from my point of view, you're working with a buggy daily build | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | dunno | 07:39 |
| pkern | cjwatson: That's my point. Or do I have to do some housekeeping? | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | my priority is to fix the bug for the beta | 07:39 |
| pkern | apt-get works fine in the chroot. | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | you can always temporarily change sources.list again | 07:39 |
| pkern | Of course, but the HDD is nuked now. It's just that I cannot successfully complete base-installer. | 07:40 |
| pkern | If this is the last step in the list I'm fine. | 07:40 |
| pkern | (i.e. I could ignore the failure and ask d-i to continue.) | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | it's not, but you can probably install cryptsetup and then rerun base-installer | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | it might be a bit confused | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | it won't have run post-base-installer.d hooks or installed a kernel yet | 07:41 |
| cjwatson | or processed the apt-install queue | 07:41 |
| cjwatson | so you should definitely rerun base-installer and let it keep going | 07:41 |
| pkern | cjwatson: From d-i that does not work, because it will try to start from the beginning again, and change the sources.lists just again before wanting to install cryptsetup. | 07:41 |
| cjwatson | pkern: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-installer.postinst and comment out the lines starting with 'waypoint' from install_base_system up to apt_update | 07:42 |
| cjwatson | I think | 07:42 |
| cjwatson | you'll get a message asking for confirmation of install over unclean target, but ignore it | 07:43 |
| cjwatson | you do want to leave get_mirror_info I think because it sets several interesting variables | 07:43 |
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| pkern | cjwatson: That one worked, thank you. | 07:45 |
| pkern | I hope there are no missing base packages or missing housekeeping *for cryptsetup* left now, but well... | 07:45 |
| cjwatson | shouldn't think so | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | cjwatson: you happen to know if mvo will be around this weekend? | 07:47 |
| pkern | Ok, it's installing the system now, thanks. Next fun will be the reboot. | 07:47 |
| cjwatson | LaserJock: don't know, sorry | 07:47 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: What's up? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | I think I've got a bug in g-a-i that is messing up the Edubuntu Addon CD | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | Ah | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I've tried looking in the code a little bit but was hoping I could get ahold of mvo | 07:49 |
| Amaranth | Dunno about that stuff, except for the pyxdg part | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | well, thats kinda the stuff I'm trying to figure out | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | for some reason it's not using my icons | 07:51 |
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| LaserJock | and I can get it to work doing very strange, at least to me, things | 07:52 |
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| Amaranth | LaserJock: what, exactly, is the problem? | 08:01 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: what is your Icon line? | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | it's just got the name of the icon | 08:01 |
| Amaranth | which is? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | various things | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | Icon=xfce4 for instance | 08:02 |
| Amaranth | are these icons installed in /usr/share/hicolor/<size>/<category>/<iconname>.png? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | no | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | they are on a cd | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: there is your problem | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to supply custom icons | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | pyxdg only reads from the icon theme unless you give it an absolute path | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | right, which I would think it would be getting | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | or hmm | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | it should be given the app-install/ dir | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | no no | 08:04 |
| Amaranth | the Icon line needs to be an absolute path | 08:04 |
| Amaranth | otherwise it uses the icon theme | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | then how come sometimes it works? | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | although I guess that's when I set --desktopdir and --cachedir | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | in g-a-i | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | gnome-app-install might have a fallback to check the current dir or something | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | or --desktopdir | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | it's just weird | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | not really | 08:05 |
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| LaserJock | becuase it only works when I cp my ro app-install/ from the CD to the hard drive | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | and then I can point it to either directory, CD or Hard driver and it'll work | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | I wondered if it was because the CD was ro | 08:06 |
| Amaranth | gnome-app-install must have a fallback if pyxdg can't find the icon | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | Amaranth: gotta run to do some shopping. I'll be back later if you're interested | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | I'm gonna have to dig into the code and figure out how it does the icons | 08:07 |
| Amaranth | err, alright | 08:07 |
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| ScottK | I'd appreciate it if someone from the archive/release team would accept wine 0.9.45-0ubuntu1. | 08:37 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK: done | 08:48 |
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| pkern | There is more broken. After reboot it doesn't get the root fs, but lvm seems missing, too. And I have a hard time getting rescue access to the disk. | 09:23 |
| pkern | vgscan/vgchange did not list s.th. The partition type (using guided) was set to Linux, maybe that has caused it, but changing it did not fix it in the same session. *cough* Anyway, I'll close this for today, this is giving me headaches somehow (or they originate elsewhere, whatever). | 09:25 |
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| cjwatson | I think I might have a workaround | 09:56 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | Is the 20070921.1 desktop CD supposed to have a gnome menu-bar when running LiveCD !? | 10:31 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: yes | 10:38 |
| cjwatson | (does here) | 10:39 |
| IntuitiveNipple | ha, ok, so some kind of weird bug then. I'm testing it on an Acer Travelmate C104TCi - very strange, desktop's there, Examples and Install, right-click desktop brings up context menu, but no main-menu. It is all just desktop background. Ctrl+Alt+F1-F5 do't get a reaction, but Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts GDM correctly. | 10:40 |
| IntuitiveNipple | (still waiting for the CD-ROM to restart the gnome session completely) | 10:41 |
| cjwatson | some people have reported continuing unionfs breakage; may be what's happening to you | 10:42 |
| === jdong is one of them | ||
| cjwatson | dmesg would be helpful if you can find a way to get at it | 10:42 |
| jdong | cjwatson: has anything changed since yesterday's .1 that'd be worth me testing for the unionfs bug? | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | doubt it, kernel team likes having weekends | 10:44 |
| jdong | what are those? | 10:44 |
| cjwatson | (though there were kernel uploads recently, admittedly) | 10:44 |
| cjwatson | (but they aren't in today's image) | 10:44 |
| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: possibly, that's been stopping me testing on the Sony Vaio notebooks | 10:45 |
| jdong | ok, I'll sit tight and fool around with power consumption then. | 10:45 |
| jdong | I'm a bit curious why OS X can pull off almost 1:30 extra runtime on macbooks compared to gutsy | 10:45 |
| cjwatson | www.lesswatts.org | 10:46 |
| IntuitiveNipple | argh, I can get a virtual terminal but it looks like the fbcon isn't loaded so no way to use it, blank video | 10:46 |
| === cjwatson uploads apt to hopefully fix its rather serious disagreement with the desktop CD | ||
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: you aren't selecting a resolution at the boot menu are you? | 10:46 |
| jdong | yep, working on those tips currently | 10:46 |
| jdong | though it should be *fewer*watts.org ;-) | 10:46 |
| cjwatson | jdong: I did think that, but that's not correct - watts are continuous not discrete | 10:46 |
| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: no, just standard CD startup testing... next test is to try Safe Graphics mode | 10:47 |
| cjwatson | at least I think "less" is legitimate there though I think "fewer" would also be correct | 10:47 |
| jdong | cjwatson: good point. Somehow less watts just doesn't sound correct to me | 10:47 |
| cjwatson | yeah | 10:47 |
| cjwatson | "less power" would be better :) | 10:47 |
| jdong | indeed | 10:48 |
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| pkern | cjwatson: I in-place fixed d-i to generate the correct sources.list (thanks for the pointer) but after reboot it failed to mount the root device. luks actions on cryptsetup within initramfs segfaulted. | 11:11 |
| pkern | (And on an unrelated sidenote with the cli install: my network interfaces were named eth1 and eth2 in persistent-rules but eth0 was set up in network/interfaces.) | 11:12 |
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| pkern | Or is `cryptsetup luksOpen crypt0 /dev/sda5' wrong syntax? | 11:21 |
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| slangasek | jdong: fewerwatts.org is an alias anyway ;) | 11:33 |
| slangasek | pkern: wrong syntax - it's realdev decrypteddev, you have the last two args backwards | 11:33 |
| pkern | cryptsetup segv in LUKS_dealloc_masterkey at keymanage.c:57 | 11:35 |
| pkern | slangasek: Hm, thanks. | 11:35 |
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| pkern | slangasek: The other way 'round it asks for a passphrase, yeah. (create has its arguments reversed.) So, thanks. *cough* | 11:37 |
| slangasek | no worries :) | 11:38 |
| IntuitiveNipple | pkern: Is there any provision to mount LUKS crypted volumes that *only* have a key-file (no password) at boot/startup ? | 11:39 |
| pkern | slangasek: `[ -x /foo/bar ] || exit 0' is a bashism, right? `/etc/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions' has two of them near the beginning. (Just another thing I encountered in initramfs... *cough* | 11:39 |
| slangasek | no, what would be bashish about it? | 11:39 |
| slangasek | it's a "not-set-e-ism" | 11:40 |
| slangasek | but it's a "not-set-e-ism" in all dialects :) | 11:40 |
| slangasek | (sorry, "non-set-minus-e-ism" | 11:40 |
| slangasek | ) | 11:40 |
| slangasek | anyway, initramfs sure doesn't use bash in any configuration I've seen | 11:40 |
| pkern | I thought that [ is only allowed after if... ok, fine. (It somehow failed in initramfs, though.) | 11:41 |
| pkern | But... nevermind. | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | [ is just a normal binary in /usr/bin | 11:41 |
| slangasek | nope. "if [" is "if the [ command returns a zero exit code" | 11:41 |
| davmor2 | anyone here work on netboot? | 11:41 |
| ion_ | [ is a program (which may be implemented as a built-in), and you put any program after if. | 11:41 |
| pkern | Right... \: | 11:42 |
| pkern | Ok, off to another reinstall. | 11:43 |
| Mithrandir | ion_: any program which is part of posix might be a built-in.. | 11:43 |
| ion_ | Well, *any* program might be a built-in. :-P | 11:44 |
| Mithrandir | no? Having debconf as a built-in program would fuck up how dependencies work. | 11:45 |
| slangasek | Mithrandir: nevertheless, POSIX doesn't /prohibit/ shells from adding random programs as built-ins :) | 11:46 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Who'd be responsible for adding a patch to a hal script & gnome-mount to allow LUKS crypted volumes protected *only* by a keyfile (no password) ? | 11:46 |
| Mithrandir | slangasek: true. | 11:47 |
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| Luke | asac: you on now? | 11:52 |
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| davmor2 | cjwatson: ping | 11:57 |
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| asac | Luke: yes | 12:07 |
| pkern | Fun. So I have a crypted root fs now, but I need to debug the initramfs because it does not find it at boot. (I suspect the missing `/etc/crypttab' might be the culprit, but I may be wrong of course, as day has shown. *cough*) | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | pkern: after d-i, I have no idea how cryptsetup works, so I'm the wrong person to ask | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: pong, briefly | 12:22 |
| davmor2 | are you incharge of netboot? | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: d-i in general, yes | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | (but trying to find the person "in charge" of something is usually the wrong plan, just ask the question) | 12:22 |
| davmor2 | netboot is installing the wrong desktops | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | netboot is supposed to ask | 12:23 |
| davmor2 | edubuntu is listed twice both install kubuntu | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | the task looks right ... | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | but it's half-eleven on a Saturday night, I'm not going to debug it now. please file a bug | 12:24 |
| davmor2 | filed | 12:24 |
| davmor2 | bug 144145 + 144147 | 12:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144145 in ubuntu "Netboot edubuntu desktop is listed twice both install kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144145 | 12:24 |
| davmor2 | just pointing out while I get chance to as I'm still isotesting the other installs :) | 12:25 |
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| Luke | cjwatson: did you end up taking dell's disk remaster util under your wing? | 12:33 |
| Luke | or will that stay with dell? | 12:33 |
| Luke | asac: thanks for the replys. Sorry about the delay but I've been super busy with university this semester | 12:35 |
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| Luke | asac: are you looking for anything in specific in my syslog? | 12:36 |
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