=== _MMA1 [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA1 is now known as _MMA_ === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === defcon [n=ion@71-35-72-231.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D82B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanpg [n=ryanpg@c-24-12-10-73.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] lamont: Fix Released with an open task for Dapper if it's SRU worthy. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] ScottK: uh... "open task for dapper".. I assume there's a "create task" label somewhere on the page, eh? [12:59] lool: `Nominate for release', IIRC. [12:59] Bah, lamont ^^ [01:01] ok [01:03] WHat Fujitsu said. === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D82B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefox_ [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@adsl-074-167-242-127.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] lamont: you can't do it without nominating: change the url from lp.net/ubuntu/+source... to lp.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source..., and then click on "This bug also needs fixing here" (or something like that) [01:22] s/can't/can/ [01:22] That way you don't need a driver to approve it... (dunno if you're a driver though hehe) [01:23] pochu: It's not drivers - that piece of text is entirely wrong. [01:23] It's uploaders to the component. [01:24] I thought it was drivers who had to approve them... [01:24] Oh, it was some time ago, wasn't it? [01:24] it used to be that core-devs where drivers [01:24] But there was a spec... motu-bugs-permissions, or something like that [01:24] but they've changed it to be uploaders to the component [01:24] right [01:25] pochu: motu-bug-persmissions [sic] [01:26] Anyway, I can also 'approve' a nomination for a bug, with that workaround ;) [01:26] pochu: Yep, their permissions are very well enforced. === lamont -> gone === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.27.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yipe [n=yipe@12-218-171-233.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Thank you, thank you, thank you a thousand times thank you devs for gutsy! [01:38] I love it already! === yipe [n=yipe@12-218-171-233.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["I] === rnorwood_ [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-84f6012847f1775c] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@203-214-72-189.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] davmor2: ctrl-alt-f1, 'dmesg | grep BUG' please [02:18] slangasek: I agree with you, "upload and have archive admins approve when ready" is a better process === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.242.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] cjwatson: i had daily ISO i think tuesdays freeze at 15% during install if it happens again i should beable to save the files to usb stick right? so i can add to bug report? === gnomefreak not sure how usb support is on desktop cd [02:35] gnomefreak: we know Tuesday's was hopelessly busted [02:35] unionfs was broken [02:35] usb works for me today [02:35] anything before this afternoon's build is not interesting [02:35] cjwatson: ah ok cool [02:35] cjwatson: as I commented earlier today unionfs is still a bit busted on .1 today... [02:35] jdong: yes but it's not clear how bad yet [02:35] (it's working fine for me so it's not a universal problem) [02:35] i will grab mondays/tuesdays than and test [02:35] it was bad enough that I couldn't get ubiquity to load :( [02:36] I posted a dmesg on the bug report [02:36] ok, I can't do anything right now and don't intend to, I have a zillion other things to fix before bed [02:36] your concern is noted for Monday :-) [02:36] no sweat, no hurry [02:36] just wanted to make sure you guys were aware of it :) [02:36] there is lots of hurry, beta is five days [02:36] but sleep first :) [02:37] no, fix wubi first [02:37] then sleep [02:37] you're a trooper === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@SIMMONS-THREE-SIXTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marmer [n=marco81@151.16.237.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-105-82.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@ftcl002.digis.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@221.201.63.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Inso [n=Inso@cpe-70-113-68-186.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] LP going down for maintenance in 15 minutes for 1 hour [03:50] looks like i can't get rid of the java deps for ooo, but was able to disable the system lp-solve which saved some space [03:50] mthaddon: bazaar.lp.net isn't down already, is it? [03:50] I get ECONNREFUSED from it [03:51] so we only ended up saving ~ 4MB so far with tweaking ooo [03:51] cjwatson, it is, yes - timing was for the web front end [03:51] argh [03:51] mthaddon: what's this downtime for? I thought this week was meant to be clear [03:51] cjwatson: wow you are up early [03:51] calc: late [03:51] I was hoping to get this code committed before the downtime [03:51] cjwatson, bug fix post 1.1.9 release - I think next week is meant to be the clear week [03:52] mthaddon: beta is Thursday [03:52] we need a stable and available Launchpad === calc looks for any other low hanging large deps for ooo to drop === kiko [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] hi there [03:53] I know [03:53] this downtime will significantly reduce the chances of the Windows installer work making it into gutsy, since I was trying to land the last few fixes so that we could test them tomorrow morning [03:53] (the last few fixes that we know about) [03:53] can it at least be delayed an hour or two? [03:54] cjwatson, I guess that's up to mthaddon. I have already been awake for some 18 hours, I can wait another two. :) [03:54] let me chat with him. [03:54] I'm up late too [03:54] I know [03:55] kiko: I realise bug fixes are often exceptions, which is fair enough, but could you clarify whether this week or next is the clear week? [03:55] (aside from this particular case) [03:55] cjwatson, it's next week. [03:55] next week is week zero. [03:55] so the week after beta? [03:56] cjwatson, it is likely the rollout will not take a full hour [03:56] oh, by "week" you mean Mon-Fri? [03:56] the week that starts on the 24th [03:56] yes [03:56] sorry, I'm so used to thinking in Ubuntu weeks which start and end on Thursday :-) [03:56] heh [03:56] ok, that's cool [03:56] kiko: I can't realistically stay awake until 4am [03:57] cjwatson, how much more time do you need? [03:57] cjwatson: inject some caffeine ;) [03:57] kiko: about 20-30 minutes I think [03:57] it's just a matter of landing commits and uploading; we can turn off the publisher at this point if the uploader stays up [03:58] (so that Tom isn't blocked on waiting for the publisher to stop) [03:59] cjwatson, let's try and do the rollout quick so you're not blocked. it shouldn't take more than 15 minutes tbh, and if it does we can abort. deal? [04:00] kiko: ok, I can cope with that [04:00] thanks [04:00] I'll go and get more coffee [04:00] seems like I owe many beers tonight [04:03] davmor2: pong [04:03] davmor2: evand does ubiquity [04:05] Riddell: I answered him === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] cjwatson, it's going smoothly, should be soon now. [04:13] the database updated fine. [04:13] great [04:17] cjwatson, should be back up [04:17] great [04:18] please check and let me know [04:18] yep, works fine now [04:18] cool [04:18] thanks for your speed, I appreciate it [04:18] cjwatson, thanks so much. [04:18] sorry to make a fuss :-/ [04:18] np === jdong [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont wonders when linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-12.37 will get accepted. === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] interesting that the unaccepted queue has -12.37.{diff.gz,dsc} and -12.38_source.changes.... === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] cjwatson, everything going okay? === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] kiko-zzz: yep, all fine now [05:09] about to fall over [05:09] lamont: probably tomorrow after CD builds [05:09] cjwatson, good job. congrats :) [05:09] ah, right. [05:09] I suppose I'll live. [05:10] kiko-zzz: we'll see whether it all works ... [05:10] cjwatson: how hard would it be for me to find a copy of the dsc, diff.gz and source.changes files before then? [05:10] lamont: they should all be in the Launchpad librarian [05:10] or do you mean of -12.37? [05:11] lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/unapproved/ [05:11] that has -12.37 diff/dsc, and .38 source.changes... [05:11] the .changes is misnamed, that's all [05:12] if you actually look at it it's for .36 [05:12] er, for .37 [05:12] dunno what kyle did to that [05:12] there are tags for 12.37 and 12.38 in git... === jdong [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] and the next upload looks like it wants to be -12.39 atm === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D82B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] test build queued === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee skewers mneptok === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pwnguin [n=jld5445@camaro.cis.ksu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kiko-zzz [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Left] [06:31] Anybody seen mvo lately? === desrt blunts the end of Hobbsee's long pointy stick in the name of channel safety [06:34] pretty sure the CoC has negative things to say about skewering === desrt finds section 72 184a.57 -- "No skewering during feature freeze." [06:36] manchicken: I saw him today [06:36] today my time anyway [06:36] I totally need to pick his brain. [06:36] I'm actually looking for him too [06:37] gnome-app-install is acting funny on me :( [06:37] I'm trying to figure out how to get changelog URL generation working under adept. mvo *is* the documentation for libapt. === Kabyl [n=XSource@41.201.236.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] desrt: heh :) [06:50] desrt: you wish. === Hobbsee attacks desrt with the pointier end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:53] oh. ow. === gregshallard [n=greg@220-253-51-10.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gregshallard [n=greg@220-253-51-10.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:22] <`23meg> Hobbsee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553726 [07:27] would almost seem like the forusms are giving monkeys a bad name :D [07:29] an alternative might be a 'vote' portlet that non-commenting users can do the +1 with to indicate their interest in the bug, without creating comment spam [07:29] jdong: *grin* [07:29] `23meg: ah yes, i think i saw that in my email [07:29] :) [07:30] IntuitiveNipple: perhaps at UDS we can hammer out some good way of flowing between LP and the forums [07:30] IntuitiveNipple: true - but popularity is not the only meter, nor a particularly good meter, of the priority of the bug. [07:30] <`23meg> IntuitiveNipple, subscribing is a way of showing one's interest [07:31] Hobbsee: agreed, but getting some feedback as to the number of users actively affected is useful in deciding what to tackle and what priority to set [07:31] `23meg: Yes, but how many of those users will then send "unsubscribe" messages trying to leave? :) [07:32] <`23meg> unsubscribing from a bug doesn't send mail to everyone [07:32] <`23meg> neither does subscribing [07:32] Isn't this what the developer forum on ubuntuforums is for? Soliciting feedback, that is. [07:33] I fear the day when this activity spreads to most other bugs. [07:33] jdong: LP-forums stuff has been discuss for ever UDS I've been at, which is the last 3 [07:33] *discussed [07:33] <`23meg> jdong, there's also a blueprint I think [07:33] I'm working on something similar, for Hardy, automated collection of hardware profiles and association with bug, and integration with Laptop-Testing, so we have a structured view of bug impact and effects, and a 'hardware popularity' contest [07:34] I honestly think it's better for devs to go to the forums than the forums goin to devs [07:34] +1 ;) [07:35] No reason not to have a link on a bug, to a forum thread URL, same as forums do to launchpad :) [07:42] IntuitiveNipple: true. [07:42] `23meg: if they do it stupidly, yes it does spam pepole. [07:43] LaserJock: so it seems. which is why it wont get done :P [07:43] <`23meg> Hobbsee, people who post "+1" rarely use the mail interface [07:43] wow, first major fog of the autumn out my window... I was expecting a nice sunrise [07:44] `23meg: is there any way to anticipate when a bug report is gonna get spammed? [07:44] LaserJock: when it's something that lots of forum users would want [07:44] LaserJock: and set it to private, when that happens. [07:45] if you can put a link to a forum thread for all the +1 stuff that allows people to still voice themselves [07:45] <`23meg> LaserJock, when a link is posted to a controversial forum thread, or one in which inexperienced users are involved [07:45] but doesn't get in the way of the bug reports or send bug spam [07:45] LaserJock: i think they did - and they spammed teh report anyway === Hobbsee --> work. [07:45] Also, if you do that, they can add a vote to the forum thread, and +1 away :) [07:46] reflect the vote results into the bug report, if there's a forum link :) [07:46] makes +1 users happy, and saves tempers fraying for devs [07:47] `23meg: I don't see a link to the forums from the bug report [07:47] <`23meg> LaserJock, it's the opposite [07:47] or rather that was for Hobbsee [07:48] I'm thinking that the reverse direction is more helpful [07:48] <`23meg> how exactly should that be done? [07:48] put a link in the bug report [07:49] <`23meg> to a forum thread, and say "post the +1s here"? [07:49] yes, basically [07:49] I like the idea, because prompter text could say "to vote or discuss this bug visit this forum thread" [07:50] we've been looking at linking from forums to launchpad [07:50] but maybe going the other day around is more helpful [07:51] <`23meg> LaserJock, the forums have a "link to LP bug" function [07:51] That's been there for a while - there's an option for a link to launchpad at least [07:51] I know I've used it a few times [07:51] <`23meg> but I doubt it does anything beyond putting a bug URL on top of the forum post [07:51] right, I know it's there [07:51] <`23meg> it's not possible to query for forum posts related to a certain bug, etc. [07:52] I'm just saying sending hordes of people to LP doesn't really help us much does it? [07:52] <`23meg> sure [07:53] <`23meg> in this particular case, one user said something in the lines of "if you want this package included, please show your support in LP" [07:53] right [07:53] <`23meg> which hints to lack of knowledge of bug tracker etiquette [07:53] <`23meg> which in turn brings us to the fact that the bug tracker has no etiquette page [07:53] you know what? that K3B trumpet fanfare when it completes a burn made me spill my mug of tea! [07:54] lol [07:54] c [07:54] `23meg: would people read it? [07:54] wrong window [07:54] IntuitiveNipple: IMO the ejecting of your drive should be enough. :p [07:54] <`23meg> LaserJock, whether people would read it is separate question [07:55] TheMuso: lol... I was stood up looking out across the fields, absorbed in thought [07:56] I think what we really want is to keep LP secret from the forum users, but have a link from LP to forums for devs to be able to look at discussions surrounding user experiences :) [07:56] <`23meg> when it's not there, there's nothing concrete to hold people accountable against [07:56] IntuitiveNipple: Ah, so Launchpad asks "Are j00 a forum user?" when signing up? :-P [07:56] true [07:56] lol [07:56] <`23meg> in other bug trackers, when users breach the etiquette, people typically post a link to the etiquette page (see GNOME bugzilla) [07:57] You've got my drift... it's the silly time of the day [07:57] 7am and I've been programming 5 hours [07:57] Or in the Gentoo bug tracker, refuse to fix the bug unless the submitter refiles it following etiquette rules [07:58] Hmm, I think I registered for forum before becoming a LP user. [07:58] Hmm, not sure I like that idea. I feel 'told off' if a bug report is marked 'Invalid' when it has resolved itself... I would like a "Resolved" status :) === Igorot [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] Because forum predates LP IIRC. [07:59] I find forums better for documenting... code-formatting, quoting, and so forth [07:59] <`23meg> sure, the forums are much older than LP [08:00] It's true that LP's web interface sucks for quoting, but email is always there. [08:01] I don't think it does HTML <> LP does it? [08:02] Grrr! I can't win. The Gutsy LiveCD fails through unionfs/i810 issues on the vaio notebooks, and now the alternate claims the CD isn't in the drive after it just booted from it! === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@77.193.179.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] good morning === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | main frozen for Gutsy Beta release === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Sep 20 11:22:07 2007 === rulus [n=rulus_|@145.140-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@host-87-74-19-12.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fir3_ [n=fir3@p57B56150.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@host-87-74-19-12.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A70EF4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | main frozen for Gutsy Beta release === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Sep 20 11:22:07 2007 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] pitti: When you say soname should remain same for a new version of library, what exactly does it mean? [12:50] slytherin: i. e. the API and ABI must be backwards compatible [12:50] pitti: Does it have anything to do with actual name of .so file? [12:50] slytherin: if you upgrade the library, all existing binary packages which linked and depend against the old version must continue to work with the newer library [12:51] slytherin: the 'soname' is the common means of designating the backwards compatible "ABI version" [12:51] pitti: Ok === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5232.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@66.251.24.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl54028230.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixterna1_ [n=nixterna@c-67-167-13-198.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cormil [n=cormil@d83-190-96-253.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] pitti: The tracker worked correctly yesterday and e-mail notifications were correctly sent, so next time you'll be able to add the new ISOs yourself. [01:10] stgraber: cool [01:10] stgraber: who does it notify now? [01:14] stgraber: we might as well cancel testing of alternate images; they're screwed [01:14] I just uploaded netcfg to fix them === cjwatson goes out for a bit === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] cjwatson, stgraber: alternates disabled in iso tracker [01:29] stgraber: ^ erm, at least I wanted to; it doesn't actually seem to work; can you please have a look? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vegar [i=vegar@51-142-151-213.mtulink.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] pitti: ok, I'll have a look. e-mail notifications are sent to people with e-mail notification enabled in their tracker profile (My profile) [01:48] cjwatson: FYI, if someone complains about ubiquity crashing with a mmap SystemError, I filed bug 144001 [01:48] Launchpad bug 144001 in python-apt "crashes with SystemError: E:Unable to write mmap - msync" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144001 === Hobbsee waves [01:48] cjwatson: alternate also means Edubuntu server and all the Netboot right ? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] pitti: in fact the ISOs were correctly disabled (you can't post a result), it's just the ISOs list that doesn't show "rebuilding" [01:54] stgraber: ah, I see === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bert_db [n=chatzill@d54C30EC0.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] Do I need original maintainer field if the version I am packaging is not in debian? [02:28] Anyone having problems with ekiga ? (ekiga: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev) [02:28] slytherin: for ubuntu you need.. XSBC-Original-Maintaner... [02:29] and Maintainer: [02:29] I'll try a package rebuild and see if that's just some kind of library change that's causing it [02:29] Kmos: ok [02:29] slytherin: better to ask on #ubuntu-motu [02:34] stgraber: i think there may have been a bug on that filed earlier, actually [02:37] Looks like bug 131569 [02:37] Launchpad bug 131569 in ekiga "Ekiga does not start (Gutsy) - undefined symbol" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131569 === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] stgraber: is that amd64 weirdness, or? === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] benc: === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] Whoops [02:46] benc: The nvidia_supported patch doesnt seem to be included in the newest l-r-m. [02:51] benc: Additionally, the added echo "$start $stop $symname" line messes with its output. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] <_MMA_> ion_: Do you mean you cant use the nVidia drivers anymore? Today, with the new upload was the 1st time I could use 'em with -rt. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] mma: No, only that the modalias pattern list is incorrect. [03:04] benc: As a reminder, the diff to the previous version is at and heres the version with the diff applied, . [03:04] if anyone is interested, I have created libtheora packages for 1.0beta1, should appear in my ppa in some time. http://ppa.launchpad.net/onkarshinde/ubuntu I will file bug on Monday. [03:05] <_MMA_> ion_: Ahh... Ok. === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yacoob [i=yacoob@hell.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] Hi there. Can anyone confirm that this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402332 also applies to feisty? [03:22] Debian bug 402332 in coreutils "cp/mv do not respect default ACL set on the parent directory" [Normal,Open] [03:24] stgraber: anything using d-i where the installation profile includes the network-manager package [03:31] Hobbsee: was there a knetwormanager upgrade recently as well? or why can your .knetworkmanagerc become corrupted [03:31] asac: not to my knowledge. [03:31] asac: i have no idea. [03:32] Hobbsee: do you do backups of your HOME? [03:32] Hobbsee: maybe you can recover the broken file? [03:32] Sigh. Well, bug filed... :( === ds500ss [n=marcel@vrs-c-16f6f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ds500ss [n=marcel@vrs-c-16f6f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:33] asac: er, i should do one of them. i rm'd it, sorry. [03:33] ok [03:33] ;) [03:34] there's nothing more annoying when you look for something, you find the "perfect fix" and then it turns out it doesn't work as expected :/ === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] If I use boot.img.gz from d-i, does it only retrieve the installer components from the net and on install use the iso provided on the stick or is there some option I could turn on so that it automatically loads everything from the provided cd image? === yacoob [i=yacoob@hell.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:55] pkern: boot.img.gz is just a format, not an installation type; the thing you want to look at is whether it's cdrom, hd-media, or netboot [03:57] pkern: ISTR that hd-media will grab everything from the ISO on the stick if it can === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8E98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] "update-manager -d" on feisty should offer to upgrade to gutsy, shouldn't it? [04:12] update-manager version is 0.59.23 [04:14] Ah, I need to run it as root? That doesn't seem right. === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5232.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] er... ubiquity does start anymore for me on the live-cd (well, that was the first time i tried it). can somebody confirm this? === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@64.195-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mr [n=opera@dslb-088-077-042-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mr [n=opera@dslb-088-077-042-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:57] hi, could some buildd admin have a look at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/+build/397159 ? [04:59] !weekend [04:59] It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. [04:59] cjwatson: Oh, I guess I accidentally grabbed netboot then, thanks! === Hobbsee seriously doubts that there are buildd admins around today [04:59] especially for non-beta critical stuff [05:00] So almost time to trash the laptop with gutsy encrypted LVM install... ;) [05:00] bigon: oh, that's a ppa bug. [05:01] Hobbsee: yep [05:01] bigon: in which the correct place to ask is probably #launchpad, but again, the stuff about weekends applies === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Heya === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] No fun, hd-media reports kernel mismatch... Hm. [05:18] Published in gutsy-release 5 hours ago [05:18] Gah... !@#@!# [05:18] <\sh> and on my desktop nautilus is getting mad and hitting the harddrive...with something I can't identify...killing nauilus helps, but no gnome comes up.. [05:18] cjwatson: Is there a possibility to get a hd-media boot.img.gz built against the current kernel? [05:18] <\sh> strange thing, it just happens on this desktop machine...and not on my laptop [05:19] \sh: does a logout help? When I applied the updates yesterday gnome went crazy infinitely regenerating thumbnails [05:19] cjwatson: Hm, other way round, the cd image is the problem of course. \: [05:19] <\sh> jdong, nope...reboot doesn't help nothing... [05:19] <\sh> jdong, you say .thumbnails? [05:19] <\sh> hmm [05:20] well that was my problem yesterday, yes [05:20] <\sh> jdong, I see after dm login, two or three times my panels coming up and destroying [05:20] pkern: should already be one === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] cjwatson: Yep it is, it's just incompatible to the current cd build. [05:21] \sh: that's odd.... it could be the panel's crashing like crazy? [05:21] current CD build is against -12 too [05:21] There was a new revision 5h ago... [05:21] <\sh> jdong, no...when I kill nautilus form console...it stops hitting the harddrive [05:21] you're just out of date with one or the other I expect [05:21] hmm... [05:22] cjwatson: Doesn't it also depend on the right kernel revision? [05:23] Hobbsee: yes it's amd64 [05:23] And how often does d-i get a rebuild pushed to the mirrors? (If it isn't that often my assumption is wrong anyway.) But I do get a mismatch between the hd-media image currently on archive and the current cd image (that's for sure, just jigdo'ed). === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.203.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] pkern: they both have the right kernel version as far as I can see. d-i gets rebuilt manually when I feel like it === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae_ [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] good morning pitti! [05:27] cjwatson: Ok, thanks. I will investigate this one. ;) [05:27] good morning, world :) [05:27] it's a bright and shiny day.... [05:27] until someone brings up unionfs :D === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] hey Hobbsee [05:28] if apache was removed from gutsy, why were libapache-mod-* left? [05:29] libapache-mod-{cgi-debug,filter,index-rss,ldap,mp3,random,relocate,text2html,trigger} all build-depend apache-dev [05:31] <\sh> lamont, check the depends...they are transitional packages [05:32] <\sh> sry...those ones [05:32] Oohh, pitti. I was trying to use your syncpackage script for pochu to sync gnome-build but the dang thing keeps failing on signing the package. I have DEBMAIL and DEBSIGN_KEYID set and I have no problems signing my packages or manually signing stuff. Could you help? [05:32] pitti: Oh Hi, bye the way :-) [05:33] \sh: ok.. I just know they're ftbfs on gutsy/hppa, and I expect that they'll be ftbfs on the rebuild testing for every other architecture... [05:33] bddebian: no idea; just debsign the package manually after syncing it [05:33] lamont: That's a dang fine question. Though libapache-mod-auth-radius became libapache2-mod-auth-radius. Maybe we should do the same where possible for the oothers? [05:33] bddebian: it's the last step anyway [05:34] And then just dput it? === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:34] bddebian: well, check the source.changes for sanity first [05:34] \sh Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.16), apache-dev (>= 1.3.34) [05:35] pitti: Hrm, this is the same reason signing is failing. I get: Changed-By: Barry deFreese <> in the .changes file [05:36] bddebian: ah, so it put in the wrong email address, it seems [05:36] Aye it put no email address :) [05:36] bddebian: hm, but $DEBEMAIL is correct? [05:36] <\sh> guys [05:37] DEBMAIL=bddebian@comcast.net [05:37] bddebian: DEB*E*MAIL [05:37] gah, wtf. I knew it was going to be something stupid I did [05:37] <\sh> I have in ~/nautilus-debug-log.txt messages like "0x8177888 2997/09/22 17:36:38.1745 (USER): debug log dumped due to signal 11 [05:37] <\sh> and this is hitting my hd so hard.. [05:37] <\sh> what is it? any clue? [05:38] how come the restricted drivers manager tells me I don't need any restricted drivers when I have an nvidia card? [05:39] pitti: Excellent thanks. Now, it shouldn't add a build1 version or anything? I didn't think we were supposed to do that? [05:39] Vegar: you have the nv driver ATM? === bddebian feels like a freaking idiot [05:39] no [05:39] pitti: vesa [05:39] bddebian: nope [05:39] pitti: it used to give me the choice to install the nvidia driver === Zdra [n=zdra@91.176.33.31] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] pitti: OK, thanks again and sorry to bother you [05:39] Vegar: it doesn't even appear in the list? [05:39] no [05:40] Vegar: lspci | grep 0300 [05:40] ? [05:40] it tells me my hardware doesn't need any restricted drivers [05:40] sec [05:40] I'll log on on the laptop in question [05:41] no matches on that, pitti [05:41] Vegar: erm... no graphics card at all?? === lamont usually uses lspci | grep VGA [05:43] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1) [05:43] oh, this is the -devel channel [05:43] I thought I was in ubuntu+1 [05:43] Vegar: what's the corresponding "lspci -n" line for that? [05:43] lamont: that doesn't give me the vendor/product ID :/ [05:44] pitti: ah [05:44] pitti: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:0429 (rev a1) [05:44] Vegar: ah, so 0300 *does* match [05:44] I might have forgotten the -n flag [05:45] meh [05:45] Vegar: right, this model isn't in /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-12-generic/modules.alias.override/nvidia [05:45] ah [05:45] Vegar: please file a bug against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 and include above information (vendor/product ID and model name) [05:45] so that's a bug then? [05:46] Vegar: you can manually edit that file to include your device ID, if you prefer [05:46] will do [05:46] yeah, I'll do that [05:46] I was looking forward to trying the new nvidia drivers [05:46] Vegar: depends; if the card is actually supported by nvidia-glx, it's a bug of that restricted driver [05:46] it's nvidia-glx-new [05:47] isn't nvidia-glx the legacy driver? [05:47] Vegar: you can also configure it manually, of course (install nvidia-glx and use displayconfig-gtk to switch the driver) [05:47] Vegar: right, -new [05:47] pitti: if you get bored feel free to look at the util-linux 2.13-{6,7} diff and tell me if you want that in pre-beta, post-beta, or in hardy. (hwclockfirst.sh is debian only, btw) [05:48] what's the format of the nvidia alias override file? === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] Vegar: just copy&paste a line and insert your product ID [05:50] alias pci:v000010DEd00000429sv*sd*bc03sc*i* nvidia_new [05:50] ^ Vegar === sponix [n=chatzill@host-207-254-249-202.classicnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] anyone in here seen the /dev/null permission issue, every boot it goes to 600 instead of 666, _might_ be udev related (but udev rules are set for it at 666) ? [05:51] pitti: ah, wonderful [05:51] pitti: thanks a lot [05:52] sponix: but 600 is far more secure than 666. :-D [05:52] sponix: I'd bet more on some broken init script personally [05:52] Vegar: please file a bug, though; in the end it's a bug in that stupid nvidia driver, but we can work around it with that list [05:52] and we would love to know which it is ... [05:52] for example something might remove /dev/null which would lead to it being recreated with bogus permissions [05:52] pitti: I'm working on that [05:52] (doesn't happen here, though) [05:53] sponix: is it still a character device file? [05:53] lamont: perms are crw-r-r is what they keep getting reset to instead of crw-rw-rw [05:53] pitti: how come it suddenly stopped recognising my card? could it be because it was removed from that list in the latest restricted-modules upgrade? [05:53] interesting === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p5497563B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] so it's not just being removed [05:54] pitti: gnome-build uploaded. since it's in universe, will it need to wait for beta release, or can you accept it? [05:54] Vegar: yes, we updated the driver to a new version; the new nvidia driver might have decided to not support your card any more, or so [05:54] pochu: I can accept it [05:54] sponix: I think you need Keybuk to investigate, when he's around [05:54] ah, that's evil [05:54] lamont: see xD card reader on these boxen doesn't wort without udev active in runlevel 2,3,4,5 so I turned that on... after that the problem seems to appear, but even after turning it off except S (startup), the issue still seems to persist [05:55] interesting === nakazcid [n=arska@190.10.2.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] lamont: found a quick hack on a forum that makes it _work_ but its a bit dirty, and would like to know what causes the issue so I can fix it properly [05:55] pitti: cool, thanks. that way I'll be able to request the anjuta UVFe. === atlas95 [n=atlas@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-75-230.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] that is the challenge with quick hacks [05:55] I don't mind a simple hack myself, but its on my wifes boxen also, and I have to leave for a year, would like to make sure she is setup correclty [05:56] correctly [05:56] understandable [05:57] remote puppet-master support technology is still in its infancy [05:57] lamont: quick h4x0rz was just to drop chmod 666 /dev/null at the end of /etc/init.d/rc.local to reset it to proper state at the _end_ of each boot [05:58] but if anything updates bootscripts it could overwrite my change, leaving it so she cannot login [05:58] sponix: err, you mean you added S links for udev in /etc/rc[2345] .d/ ? === nakazcid [n=arska@190.10.2.186] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:59] sponix: you really shouldn't do that, it's already started in rcS [05:59] and stays running forever [05:59] sponix: it would probably be easier to find out why you need to start it again there === lamont agrees that if something is killing udevd, that's probably a bigger problem than just /dev/null perms [06:00] sponix: forget about runlevel editors, look in /etc/rc2.d with a shell to see if there's anything matching *udev* in there [06:00] I bet your runlevel editor threw in a K link when you disabled it ... [06:00] cjwatson: see I uses sysv-rc-conf and it was default set to just S, I had to add 2,3,4,5 before the card reader would work [06:01] cjwatson: had to start udev by hand with /etc/init.d/udev start the first go... prior, her card reader found the card, but didn't make the device for the partition [06:01] sponix: 'sudo rm -f '/etc/rc[2345] .d/[SK] ??udev' [06:01] sponix: seriously, that's bad news, I understand it fixed one problem (by luck) but it clearly introduced more [06:01]