[12:47] <TheMuso> And you are saying it gets deleted when you run debuild? What arguments are you passing to debuild?
[12:48] <marseillai> debuild -S -sa
[12:48] <TheMuso> Have you checked debian/rules to see if it does anything that would cause the file to be deleted?
[12:49] <marseillai> i can show it to you
[12:49] <marseillai> but i've don't see anything
[12:49] <TheMuso> Ok. When you say its deleted, did you look in the debian directory after you ran the debuild command?
[12:50] <marseillai> TheMuso: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38176/
[12:50] <marseillai> yes i've look into debian dir after debuild
[12:50] <TheMuso> ok
[12:50] <marseillai> the files are really deleted
[12:51] <mruiz> TheMuso, with your tip my pbuilder log is working ;-) Thanks!
[12:51] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok, there certainly is nothing there that should cause the file to be deleted.
[12:51] <TheMuso> mruiz: You're welcome.
[12:52] <marseillai> TheMuso: you have other idea ??
[12:53] <TheMuso> marseillai: Not without seeing your wrapper script, the package you are working on, and know ing the reason why you are creating a wrapper script in the first place.
[12:53] <marseillai> TheMuso: if i upload to revu coulp you take a look on that problem ?
[12:56] <TheMuso> marseillai: Certainly.
[12:57] <marseillai> in fact i just think that if i upload to revu the wrapper will not be there
[12:57] <marseillai> so this is my wrapper : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38177/
[12:58] <TheMuso> marseillai: theres nothing there
[12:58] <TheMuso> sorry, yes there is
[12:58] <marseillai> ah
[12:58] <marseillai> what ?
[12:59] <TheMuso> marseillai: Why are you running something from /usr/share? /usr/share should not have any binaries in it.
[01:00] <marseillai> i must set binaries and lib in the same directory for this apps TheMuso it's the reason i'm using the wrapper. i want install this wrapper in usr/bin
[01:00] <TheMuso> marseillai: In that case, I would contact the upstream author of the package, and demand they change it. That is a very bad way of doing things.
[01:00] <jebivjetar> * The root meaning of the word kolo is a wheel or circle, and it is the word used all over Southern Slav lands for the national dance in which both men and women join, taking hold of hands; the number of dancers increasing and the circle extending as the dance proceeds. Even in the remotest hamlets the dancing of the kolo is the best-loved form of recreation. Groups of village children,...
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Our God hath poured His wrath upon the Serbs,
[01:00] <jebivjetar> For deadly sins withdrawn His favour from us:
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Our Rulers trampled underfoot all law,
[01:00] <jebivjetar> With bloody hatred fought each other down.
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Tore from fraternal brows the living eyes:
[01:00] <TheMuso> If they won't, it needs to be patched.
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Authority and Law they cast aside,
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Instead chose folly as their rule and guide!
[01:00] <jebivjetar> And those who served our kings became untrue,
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Crimson they bathed themselves in kingly blood!
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Our noblemen - Gods curse be on their souls -
[01:00] <jebivjetar> Did tear and rend the Kingdom into pieces,
[01:00] <jebivjetar> And wasted wantonly our people's power.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> The Serbian magnates - may their name rot out! -
[01:01] <Fujitsu> !ops
[01:01] <ubotu> Help! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, or fbond
[01:01] <jebivjetar> They scatterd broadcast Discords evil seed,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> And poisoned thus the life-springs of our race.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Our Serbian chiefs, most miserable cowards,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> The Serbian stock did heartlessly betray.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Accursed be Kossvos Evening Meal;
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Far better had it been if from that hour
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Our magnates all had disappeard for aye!
[01:01] <jebivjetar> If only Milosh still remaind unto us,
[01:01] <Fujitsu> jebivjetar: Stop.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> With his two valiant Pbratims,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Then Serb would be with Serb to-day.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Thou Brankovitch, of stock despicable,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Should one serve so his Fatherland,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Thus much is Honesty esteemd?
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Who, Milosh, would not envy thee?
[01:01] <jebivjetar> A victim thou to thine own truth and worth!
[01:01] <jebivjetar> All-puissant spirit in the things of War;
[01:01] <jebivjetar> A thunder mighty which did shatter thrones!
[01:01] <jebivjetar> The deeds thy knightly soul hath wrought.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Outshine all lustre of the Past, -
[01:01] <jebivjetar> The fame of Sparta and of mighty Rome!
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Their valiant and heroic feats
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Are all surpassd by thy proud arm.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Where is Leonidas. where Scaevola,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> When Obilitch doth enter the arena?
[01:01] <jebivjetar> That arm of thine with but one only stroke
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Brought down a throne and made all Hell to quake!
[01:01] <jebivjetar> Yet Milosh fell, most marvellous of knights,
[01:01] <jebivjetar> A victim fell unto the world's great Scourge.
[01:01] <jebivjetar> In proud repose the puissant Leader lies:
[01:02] <jebivjetar> There from his veins did spurt his noble blood,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Where he so proudly trod a while before,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> His breast possessd by one sole dread intent,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> As he did press his way through Asias hordes,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> He swallowd them with his great eyes of fire
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Where he so proudly trod a while before.
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Seeking his hallowd tomb and life immortal,
[01:02] <marseillai> TheMuso: it's too much complicated for me to make this sort of patch
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Scorning alike the failures of small men,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> And all that false and senseless company.
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Our God hath pourd His wrath upon the Serbs!
[01:02] <jebivjetar> A seven-headed monster He sent forth
[01:02] <jebivjetar> To plague and extirpate the Serbian Name,
[01:02] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok upload to revu, and I'll have a look.
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Be they betrayers or be they betrayd.
[01:02] <jebivjetar> On falling rums of a realm heroic
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Did Milosh shine with firm and constant justice;
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Crowned be too, with an undying glory,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Those pbratims who steadfast were to Milosh;
[01:02] <Fujitsu> LjL: You don't have powers here :(
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Not less the lovely Jugovitch bouquet!
[01:02] <jebivjetar> So parsed the Serbian Cap and Name away:
[01:02] <LjL> Fujitsu: afraid so
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Warrior lions gave place to ploughmen,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> While selfish poltroons took Mohammed's creed, -
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Their Serbian milk shall ever bring them plague!
[01:02] <jebivjetar> All those who scaped from death by Moslem sword,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> All those who still held true to Christian faith,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> Who with abhorrence thought of bonds and chains,
[01:02] <jebivjetar> All such as these took flight to mountains grey,
[01:02] <LjL> well it seems i do
[01:03] <geser> thanks LjL
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Hm, you're not on the access list.
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:03] <LjL> indeed, it's a bit weird
[01:03] <LjL> *shrug*
[01:04] <TheMuso> Reminds me of all that nonsense spam that circulates via email.
[01:04] <Fujitsu> Heh
[01:04] <geser> spam filters for irc?
[01:05] <Amaranth> So does anyone know how I get access to the ubuntu-devel ml?
[01:05] <Amaranth> Without having all mails get stuck in the moderation queue
[01:05] <ScottK> Amaranth: Subscribe and some magive LP foo will take care of it.
[01:05] <ScottK> magive/magic
[01:05] <Fujitsu> ScottK: I don't think it's magical at the moment.
[01:05] <Amaranth> I am subscribed
[01:06] <ScottK> Not while LP is down for maintenance, no.
[01:06] <Amaranth> Have been for a _long_ time
[01:06] <Amaranth> I'll just try a mail and see what happens
[01:06] <ScottK> Fujitsu: IIRC I didn't have to do anything to have voice on the list.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> Hm, OK.
[01:06] <Fujitsu> Well, they do have the mailman guy, IIRC, so it might be automatic.
[01:06] <ScottK> Well I'm old so I forget stuff too.
[01:07] <geser> doesn't it get checked against the registered emails for the devs in LP?
[01:07] <Amaranth> Then I'd better wait for LP to come back :)
[01:07] <ScottK> Of course it may have been done before it went away.  As you will.
[01:08] <geser> Amaranth: is the e-mail which you use for writing to the ml registered in LP?
[01:08] <TheMuso> Amaranth: congrats!
[01:08] <Amaranth> geser: yeah
[01:08] <Amaranth> TheMuso: thanks
[01:09] <Amaranth> Fujitsu: 1.1.9 broke something?
[01:09] <ScottK> Closing half the bugs got it tired.
[01:09] <Amaranth> hahaha
[01:09] <Amaranth> i got flooded
[01:09] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Shouldn't take an hour to cherrypick, really.
[01:10] <pwnguin> i wouldnt be surpised if gmail decided to mark it as spam
[01:10] <Amaranth> i bet they're doing the closing before bringing it back on, was probably too much email
[01:10] <Fujitsu> I was going to go through them, but they took it down :(
[01:10] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: Haha.
[01:10] <Amaranth> Sending close notices to multiple people for thousands of bugs all in a few minutes...ouch
[01:11] <Fujitsu> And we're going to get a whole lot of unclosing emails next week, when they run the maintenance to revert some of the changes that shouldn't have been made.
[01:11] <TheMuso> oh fun
[01:11] <Amaranth> Really annoying that it closed bugs that were marked as a dupe of another bug
[01:11] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: That's one of the corner cases to be cherrypicked next week, AFAIK.
[01:11] <marseillai> TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=279 sorry for the delay revu was slow to refresh
[01:12] <Amaranth> Marking it as a dupe should have closed it, now I know why the desktop team always marks bugs as invalid before
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Along with not killing things if there are upstream tasks, if they're milestoned, etc.
[01:12] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok thanks, I will have a look very shortly.
[01:12] <TheMuso> brb
[01:12] <marseillai> thanks
[01:12] <pwnguin> i've yet to figure out why libertarians love open source
[01:12] <pwnguin> but i'll take their software all the same
[01:13] <ScottK> Of course I got stony glares in #launchpad this morning when I said I thought they needed to do a better job of thinking through new features BEFORE implementation.
[01:13] <ScottK> Urgh.
[01:13] <pwnguin> im thinking debian could use a prediction market or two to determine release dates ;)
[01:15] <geser> night *
[01:16] <Fujitsu> ScottK: And this was before the great janitor session of 3 hours ago?
[01:28] <TheMuso> marseillai: Have you packaged this from scratch?
[01:29] <marseillai> yes
[01:29] <marseillai> euh
[01:29] <marseillai> what do you call from scratch ?
[01:29] <TheMuso> marseillai: Why do you have several debian directories, debian-tmp, and debian-cdbs?
[01:29] <marseillai> arf
[01:29] <marseillai> it was some try
[01:29] <TheMuso> ok
[01:29] <marseillai> i've remove debiantemp and debiancdbs
[01:30] <TheMuso> I am checking now whether the package builds successfully.
[01:30] <marseillai> for me it build fine
[01:31] <marseillai> just this problem with wrapper. :(
[01:31] <TheMuso> Yep ok. I'll see how it ges built, and will be able to work things out from there.
[01:35] <TheMuso> marseillai: Well the package doesn't build for me.
[01:35] <TheMuso> WHile the actual code builds, the package doesn't.
[01:36] <marseillai> it must tell you that dh_install can't move debian/itestserver
[01:36] <TheMuso> marseillai: Yes.
[01:36] <marseillai> because he try to move the wrapper dut it doesn't exist anymore
[01:36] <TheMuso> marseillai: Were you packaging this in the hope you could get it into Ubuntu?
[01:36] <marseillai> yep
[01:37] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:37] <marseillai> why ?
[01:37] <TheMuso> marseillai: It means that I will now have a good look at the package, and leave you some comments on revu.
[01:38] <marseillai> TheMuso: wait it's not ready to a revu
[01:38] <TheMuso> And we can get it ready for hardy, when it opens.
[01:38] <marseillai> absolutly not
[01:38] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok then, I'll work out how it needs patching, and then you can let us know when it is ready to review.
[01:38] <marseillai> i don't want to loose your time
[01:39] <marseillai> TheMuso: in fact for the moment my problem is with this wrapper... :s
[01:39] <TheMuso> marseillai: No its fine
[01:39] <TheMuso> marseillai: As I said, I think its better to correct the source somehow.
[01:39] <marseillai> it's far from my possibility
[01:39] <marseillai> but i'll try
[01:40] <TheMuso> marseillai: As I said, i am happy to help you do that.
[01:42] <marseillai> in all the code all the path are hardcoded
[01:42] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok. Then we need to change that, and send a patch to the upstream developers.
[01:44] <marseillai> it's something i absolutly don't know
[01:44] <marseillai> but i'm ok to learn
[01:44] <TheMuso> marseillai: Thats ok.
[01:44] <TheMuso> Great.
[01:44] <marseillai> and even happy to learn
[01:45] <marseillai> i'm currently looking at main_window.ui and see this :               <iconset resource="resources.qrc" >:/images/images/folder_red.png</iconset>
[01:47] <porthose> I am working on a package and I noticed that some of it's components are released under PHP License Version 3.01 and Creative Commons Attribute-Share Alike 2.0 Generic would these licenses keep this package out of Ubuntu?
[01:47] <pwnguin> currently i think so =/
[01:49] <Fujitsu> CC BY-SA is OK, I think. And I presume the PHP one is.
[01:50] <pwnguin> i wonder if they "mix"
[01:54] <marseillai> TheMuso: do you see the reason why my wrapper is deleted because it disturb me.
[01:55] <TheMuso> marseillai: No, I haven't worked that out yet, as it is not the best solution.
[01:55] <marseillai> oki
[02:07] <TheMuso> marseillai: WHat made you think the iTestServer and iTestClient binaries should go into usr/share?
[02:08] <marseillai> TheMuso: how could they know where are the iconset?
[02:09] <TheMuso> marseillai: As far as I have determined, the icons actually get built into the binary themselves.
[02:09] <TheMuso> marseillai: The best way to test that, is to build the binaries by hand, copy them somewhere else outside the source directory, and attempt to run them.
[02:10] <marseillai> it's what i've just do and you are right
[02:10] <marseillai> i test with langage
[02:10] <TheMuso> ok
[02:11] <marseillai> so great
[02:11] <marseillai> the apps doesn't need anything! :)
[02:11] <marseillai> thanks TheMuso
[02:11] <TheMuso> So, you can install the binaries into /usr/bin, and no wrapper is needed.
[02:11] <TheMuso> marseillai: You're welcome.
[02:13] <marseillai> now i'll polish it and send it to revu for hardy! :)
[02:13] <marseillai> certainly tomorow
[02:14] <TheMuso> Ok great.
[02:37] <ScottK> Fujitsu: Yes.  It was when I was whining about the new package summary pages
[02:38] <jdong> uh oh it's starting again?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Oh, right.
[02:39] <ScottK> jdong: What?
[02:40] <jdong> just messing with you, scott :)
[02:42] <zul> evening
[02:56] <zul> !uvf
[02:56] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[03:03] <ScottK> zul: Just follow Nancy Reagan's advice.
[03:03] <zul> erp?
[03:03] <pwnguin> "nobody can make you feel bad without your permission?"
[03:04] <ScottK> zul: Just say no.
[03:04] <zul> oh
[03:05] <ScottK> For UVF in this case.
[03:05] <zul> well that comes next
[03:06] <ajmitch> oh, I tested pylint from sid, with its dependencies updated, it works well
[03:06] <ajmitch> my code that I tested it on doesn't work so well :)
[03:06] <ScottK> Fujitsu: More specifically not showing the different pockets on the package page and in particular showing the backports version in preference to the release version if it was newer.
[03:07] <ScottK> And then they said ...
[03:07] <pwnguin> i wonder if source packages should include test cases =/
[03:07] <ScottK> "We didn't think about backports."
[03:07] <ScottK> That's when I opinined that more design and less execution might be helpful.
[03:07] <ScottK> pwnguin: Perl ones often do.
[03:08] <ScottK> zul: Great comment on the UVFe!
[03:09] <zul> ScottK: thanks
[03:09] <ScottK> ajmitch: As long as it's depends don't have a lot of rdepends, I'd go for pylint.
[03:09] <ajmitch> ok
[03:15] <pwnguin> ok, ive filed a bug, attached a debdiff, and subscribed ubuntu-motu-sponsors; is it a matter of waiting now?
[03:15] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Yes.
[03:16] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Whats the bug?
[03:16] <TheMuso> I might have a look in a sec.
[03:16] <pwnguin> 141015
[03:16] <TheMuso> bug 141015
[03:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141015 in ubuntu-dev-tools "Correctly pass path to dch" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141015
[03:16] <pwnguin> err no
[03:16] <pwnguin> bug 140890
[03:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140890 in cwiid "wminput should provide udev rule" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140890
[03:18] <pwnguin> im not very familiar with udev though, so there's probably a better way to handle it
[03:18] <TheMuso> Ok I'll ook in a bit.
[03:44] <Fujitsu> No LP in 15 minutes for an hour, again.
[03:44] <TheMuso> great.
[03:46] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[03:46] <Fujitsu> I wonder if it might be better for them to test changes on a copy of the production DB beforehand.
[03:47] <TheMuso> Likewise.
[03:48] <TheMuso> pwnguin: I suggest you use dh_installudev instead.
[03:51] <TheMuso> pwnguin: And you forgot to change the maintainer.
[03:54] <TheMuso> If I were cjwatson right now, I'd be fuming. He likely is already.
[03:56] <ScottK> It sounds like he is.
[04:00] <pwnguin> about lp or forgetting to installudev?
[04:02] <TheMuso> pwnguin: I suggest you use the dh_installudev command to install the udev rules file. You also forgot to change the maintainer to Ubuntu MOTU Developers, and set the XSBC-Original-Maintainer.
[04:04] <pwnguin> TheMuso: i didnt touch the maintainer and the package came from ubuntu
[04:04] <pwnguin> i thought that should have been changed already, but ill look into it
[04:05] <TheMuso> pwnguin: The package is from Debian, but you are making an Ubuntu modification. so we need to indicate that we main it, since we have made a change.
[04:05] <TheMuso> pwnguin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[04:31] <pochu> good night!
[05:04] <jdong> ubotu: hey hon, how are you doing?
[05:37] <pwnguin> is there a script to automatically alter the maintainters field for MOTU?
[05:39] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yes.  In ubuntu-dev-tools, X I believe.
[05:39] <RAOF> Called something useful like 'update-maintainer'
[05:40] <pwnguin> heh
[05:41] <pwnguin> well, there's a wiki about it that mentioned a to-be-named-script
[05:41] <TheMuso> pwnguin: If you are running gutsy, install ubuntu-dev-tools
[05:41] <pwnguin> i did
[05:41] <pwnguin> its there and done
[05:43] <nixternal> yes, update-maintainer is nice
[05:43] <nixternal> saves the typing for us lazy people
[05:44] <pwnguin> its not particularly clear in the manpage -- does dh_installudev change the name to .rules or not?
[05:44] <pwnguin> nixternal: also for the typo prone
[05:44] <nixternal> and that as well, which is me most definitely
[05:46] <TheMuso> pwnguin: This is how I did it for another package I work on: dh_installudev --priority=80
[05:46] <TheMuso> changing priority to whatever you need.
[05:46] <pwnguin> well, it mentions package.udev
[05:47] <pwnguin> in the manpage
[05:47] <TheMuso> Yes, so you put the file in debian and name it packagename.udev
[05:47] <pwnguin> what i wasnt clear on is whether it changes the filename or not
[05:48] <TheMuso> Yes it does.
[05:48] <pwnguin> TheMuso: thanks.
[05:49] <pwnguin> hmm. some of these rules have no priority
[05:50] <RAOF> Thinking back to the stuff I did with KVM, wasn't there a bug on the BTS saying essentially "please don't use dh_installudev"?
[05:50] <TheMuso> RAOF: There was?
[05:51] <pwnguin> cute
[05:51] <pwnguin> this is gonna get nightmare-ish when i work on thinkfinger
[05:52] <pwnguin> pam and udev =/
[05:52] <pwnguin> and their mailing list features patches to gnome-screensvaer
[05:52] <RAOF> Debian bug #414331
[05:52] <ubotu> Debian bug 414331 in kvm "must not install udev rules files" [Normal,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/414331
[05:54] <RAOF> "dh_installudev is badly broken and must not be used" :(
[05:55] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Are the udev rules run rules?
[05:55] <pwnguin> nope
[05:55] <pwnguin> fun
[05:56] <TheMuso> RAOF: Interesting. I do know for a fact that the Ubuntu debhelper has changes made to installudev
[05:56] <RAOF> Ok, maybe it doesn't apply to us then.
[05:56] <TheMuso> Well I've used it in a package with no problems.
[05:56] <TheMuso> RAOF: And that was from March. Surely its been fixed since then.
[05:57] <pwnguin> maybe the dude's just wrong?
[05:57] <TheMuso> I can understand what they are saying re adding all rules to udev if they aren't run rules.
[05:58] <pwnguin> i cant
[05:59] <pwnguin> how's that even work?
[05:59] <pwnguin> udev installs every possible rule?
[05:59] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Basically, if the rules are for creating device nodes/setting permissions for devices, udev should have them as part of its package, so that they are there from the get go. If a package only needs udev rules to run a particular program if a device is present, then a package is welcome to make a rules file, as it is the only one that needs the rules.
[06:00] <pwnguin> wouldn't that result in a ton of udev rules?
[06:01] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Where abouts?
[06:01] <pwnguin> /etc/udev/rules.d/ seems like it would get pretty full
[06:02] <TheMuso> Likely so, but thats not a problem.
[06:02] <TheMuso> And permissions/device creation rules would be put into specific files where all that stuff goes anyway.
[06:02] <TheMuso> Individual package rules would just go in their own package rules file.
[06:02] <pwnguin> well, getting udev changed during a beta freeze IS a problem =/
[06:02] <TheMuso> The amount of files wouldn't be a problem.
[06:03] <TheMuso> pwnguin: Let me have a look at the rules.
[06:03] <pwnguin> its marginally stupid
[06:03] <pwnguin> but straight from the manpage
[06:03] <pwnguin> i may have a second look at fuse
[06:03] <TheMuso> Actually, such a rule shouldn't really go in this package.
[06:04] <superm1> TheMuso, did you take care of ubuntu studio's tasks setup?
[06:04] <TheMuso> superm1: No. Why?
[06:04] <TheMuso> superm1: We had help from Colin with getting seeds ready. Canonical are doing disks for us.
[06:04] <superm1> well i noticed that they are available in synaptic
[06:04] <superm1> and i knew you were working with a lot of their packages
[06:05] <TheMuso> superm1: As I said, Colin tweaked seeds for CD creation.
[06:05] <superm1> so i was wondering what it took to make a task.  okay i'll poke colin after beta :)
[06:06] <TheMuso> superm1: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.gutsy if you want to have a look.
[06:06] <superm1> TheMuso, yeah i saw that, but i didn't make the connection as to how they show up as available tasks elsewhere
[06:06] <TheMuso> pwnguin: After beta, I'd talk to keybuk about udev, and permission for uinput. There might be a good reason why they are how they are.
[06:07] <pwnguin> grat
[06:07] <pwnguin> great
[06:07] <TheMuso> superm1: there is stuff at the top of the seed files with all that stuff.
[06:07] <TheMuso> superm1: And theres likely a connection behind the scenes to attach that to the archive.
[06:07] <superm1> right, but i mean which packages are in the archive that actually read that content
[06:07] <superm1> exactly, thats the part i'm missing :)
[06:08] <pwnguin> TheMuso: in that case, i'll have to think about why that rule breaks my fingerprint scanner (which also uses udev)
[06:08] <pwnguin> err
[06:08] <pwnguin> uses udev and uinput
[06:08] <TheMuso> right
[06:09] <bddebian> OK damnit, I want to go to bed but this syncpackage issue is pissing me off.  I can build packages, sign packages, etc with no problems.  But running pitti's syncpackage script is not finding my key???
[06:09] <TheMuso> bddebian: Is the requestsync script you are using from the ubuntu-dev-tools package?
[06:10] <bddebian> Dunno, I pulling it from people.u.c/
[06:10] <bddebian> ~pitti/scripts/
[06:10] <TheMuso> bddebian: Well install ubuntu-dev-tools, and try the requestsync script from that.
[06:10] <TheMuso> as that is likely much more up to date.
[06:11] <bddebian> Hrm, this is what pochu asked me to use
[06:13] <bddebian> What's weird is that it picks up "Barry deFreese" but <> for the e-mail, even though I have DEBSIGN_KEYID set
[06:15] <Hobbsee> bddebian: set DEBEMAIL
[06:16] <bddebian> Same bullshit.  gpg: Skipped "Barry deFreese <>": secret key not available
[06:17] <bddebian> #!@$%@$^
[06:37] <StevenK> bddebian: Does your key have a comment on it?
[06:38] <StevenK> Does gpg --list-keys match exactly what's in the changelog?
[06:38] <bddebian> I don't know what's in the changelog, it's some damn script.  Which is exactly why I never use them :-)
[06:39] <pwnguin> is it just me, or does maximize window in desktop effects count the window shadow?
[06:43] <bddebian> Bah screw it, I'm going to bed.  Thanks anyway TheMuso, Hobbsee, StevenK
[08:24] <LaserJock> I'm looking for people who maintain a 3rd party repo/PPA
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: I have a PPA, not that it really needs (or accomodates) maintenance at this point - don't we all pretty much now?
[08:29] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to figure out how people are handling reverse dependencies
[08:29] <LaserJock> I'm wanting to maintain some backports
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> can you be more specific?
[08:30] <LaserJock> well, I want to backport the newest gchemutils
[08:31] <LaserJock> but if I take care of the reverse dependencies all the way down it get like 15 packages
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> As I understand it, that's pretty much how the backporting life goes.
[08:32] <LaserJock> right, I'm just wondering how much effort people go to
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> depends how much you want the package ;)
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> The backports team will do it as long as it doesn't break stuff, etc
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, the backports team isn't going to take these packages
[08:34] <LaserJock> they haven't even made it to gutsy
[08:34] <LaserJock> and a few are libraries
[08:34] <LaserJock> hence why I'm looking at using a PPA
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> set aside a few hours, bundle up some good snacks, and hack away?
[08:40] <LaserJock> few days I'm guessing :/
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> :(
[08:41] <LaserJock> especially for dapper
[08:44] <LaserJock> I especially don't look forward to rebuilding gnumeric
[08:51] <jussi01> good morning all. Could someone remind me of the naming convention for ppa packages?
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: I didn't think we'd agreed on one yet...could be wrong
[08:53] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: oh, ok. I remember there being talk about it
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: Yeah.  We _should_, not sure if we have yet.
[08:54] <jussi01> :)
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> I'm thinking package-0.5.4-1ubuntu2~ppa7.04-3, if you can have multiple dashes
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> otherwise, ~7.04ppa3
[08:56] <YokoZar_> ScottK: ping
[08:57] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I had a feeling it was jus ~ppa##
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: That's common, but provides no means for building for more than one release in the same PPA
[08:58] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: thats true
[09:14] <minghua> Yay for auto rebuild test!
[09:19] <Fujitsu> minghua: Only main, isn't it?
[09:20] <minghua> Fujitsu: Seems so.
[09:20] <Fujitsu> :(
[09:23] <TheMuso> Universe would take too long.
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Well, there is a list, thanks to lucas.
[09:23] <minghua> Did lucas use auotpkgtest or just pbuilder?
[09:24] <Fujitsu> pbuilder or sbuild with rebuildd.
[09:24] <minghua> all the three FTBFS bugs found by Ian's autopkgtest doesn't appear in pbuilder.
[09:24] <minghua> (some trivial problem that requires clean to be run before build)
[10:19] (marseillai/#ubuntu-motu) TheMuso: i've send a complete version of itest to revu if you want to look at it : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=280
[10:24] <TheMuso> marseillai: I will in a while.
[10:25] <marseillai> TheMuso: oki thanks
[10:25] <marseillai> TheMuso: for yesterday, the wrapper deleted
[10:25] <marseillai> it was because his name was the same than the .deb package
[10:26] <TheMuso> marseillai: Ok.
[10:28] <asisak> Good mornign
[10:32] <TheMuso> Hey asisak
[10:32] <asisak> hey thekorn
[10:32] <asisak> TheMuso even
[10:32] <TheMuso> heh
[10:33] <geser> Hi asisak
[10:33] <asisak> Hey geser