[09:11] <Lynoure> Hi... I'm testing upgrading to Gutsy, and have a weird problem with it. What's the right place to report it?
[09:13] <Lynoure> basicly, no joy with   kdesu 'adept-manager --version-upgrade' (the upgrade terminates at probably the end of Preparing for upgrade,  but if I copy my Xauthority to root's home and do  sudo kdesu 'adept-manager --version-upgrade' the upgrade continues dandy
[09:14] <Lynoure> Might be some problem with permissions, but I could not catch it as it worked fine under strace (as that too had the sudo element)
[09:17] <Lynoure> /s/adept-/adept_
[09:17] <daSkreech> you could just bug it
[09:20] <Lynoure> Found a way to strace it, too
[09:20] <Lynoure> That's an adept_manager bug or are these upgrade bugs in some other category?
[09:20] <daSkreech> Would be an adept bug
[09:40] <Lynoure> ok, reported (#144188)
[09:43] <daSkreech> bug 144188
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144188 in adept "version-upgrade crashes during Preparing for upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144188
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hi daSkreech!
[09:47] <daSkreech> Hello :)
[09:49] <daSkreech> how are you Hobbsee?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> doing OK.  finished work
[09:52] <daSkreech> bug 144188
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144188 in adept "version-upgrade crashes during Preparing for upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144188
[09:54] <Hobbsee> daSkreech: ouch
[09:55] <daSkreech> Yeah Lynoure was testing it out
[09:55] <daSkreech>  He's trying to use the "promoted acceptable" path
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[09:55] <Hobbsee> he?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> lynoure is a she.
[09:55] <daSkreech> Or She
[09:55] <daSkreech> I'm tired
[09:55] <Hobbsee> daSkreech: does it still occur if she runs sudo kbuildsycoca?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> and then tries again?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> daSkreech: how's the ubuntu one supposed to be called?
[09:59] <daSkreech> Wrrrrrong person
[09:59] <Hobbsee> adept --v-u just calls the kde front end to the upgrader, iirc?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hiya Lynoure
[10:00] <Lynoure> hello Hobbsee
[10:00] <Hobbsee> [17:55]  <Hobbsee> daSkreech: does it still occur if she runs sudo kbuildsycoca?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> [17:56]  <Hobbsee> and then tries again?
[10:01] <Lynoure> hmmm, as normal user or with sudo?
[10:01] <Lynoure> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[10:01] <Hobbsee> sudo
[10:02] <Lynoure> same error still.
[10:02] <Hobbsee> interesting
[10:02] <Hobbsee> you're running gnome or kde?
[10:03] <Lynoure> kde. No gnome.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[10:03] <daSkreech> thought?
[10:04] <daSkreech> that's what I hoped
[10:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  i was hoping that too
[10:04] <Hobbsee> adept_manager: Unknown option '--version-upgrade'.
[10:04] <Hobbsee> interesting...
[10:06] <Lynoure> hmm
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: i suspect your permissions are botched (.Xauthority, .ICEauthority)
[10:07] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: not  kdesu: Unknown option '--version-upgrade'.
[10:07] <Lynoure> ?
[10:07] <Lynoure> because that's what one gets without the quotes
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: really, tha tshould work with kdesu, not sudo.  sudo should have the X error
[10:08] <Hobbsee> oh, ye damned upgrade manager.
[10:08] <Lynoure> sudo did have X error until I had to copy my .XAuthority  for the stracing
[10:08] <Hobbsee> what happens if you rm all of them, and let them regenerate?
[10:09] <Lynoure> hmmm are they safe to remove midsession?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> i think so - i think i have before.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> if not, logout, remove them from a VT, then restart X
[10:10] <Hobbsee> but it usually doesnt make a difference
[10:11] <Hobbsee> it all gets a bit whacky if you remove ~/.kde while still being logged in, though.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> or otherwise move it
[10:12] <Lynoure> What I expected   kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0
[10:12] <Hobbsee> darn.
[10:13] <Lynoure> I just moved it :)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> your kdesu sounds botched.
[10:13] <Lynoure> well, that was expected, without .Xauthority
[10:13] <Hobbsee> no, you'd have to restart X afterwards, iirc.
[10:13] <Lynoure> Let's see if it lets me
[10:14] <Lynoure> without keycombos... brb
[10:16] <Lynoure> trying now
[10:17] <Lynoure> same result
[10:17] <Hobbsee> no dice on the kbuildsycoca either, presumably.
[10:17] <Lynoure> I did not run it before this...
[10:18] <Lynoure> same result. But it also nags something about (my devel version of) basKet before
[10:19] <Lynoure> But those were just warnings
[10:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, i get them too
[10:19] <Hobbsee> then i have no idea.
[10:19] <Lynoure> The upgrade works for you?
[10:20] <Lynoure> I haven't been able to find anyone even admitting to have upgraded Kubuntu this way...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> well, i started with gutsy, but it'll le tme upgrade to gutsy, yes.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> until it complains about space on /boot
[10:21] <Lynoure> It would be interesting to get someone else on Feisty to try
[10:21] <Hobbsee> indeed
[10:23] <marseillai> hi nixternal
[10:24] <marseillai> i've send iTest to revu for hardy
[10:24] <marseillai> it works fine now
[10:27] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: my motivation was more to test this than to upgrade, so I think I'll wait with the upgrade until some other people have tried
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: sounds good.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> marseillai: you know that we're in new package freeze, presumably?
[10:28] <marseillai> Hobbsee: yes i know that's the reason i've made it for hardy as you can see in my sentence
[10:28] <Hobbsee> oh, missed that part
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: nice blog post :)
[02:03] <nixternal_> I hate my internet
[02:16] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: thanks :) (sorry had dinner)
[02:16] <Jucato> nixternal:I thought you ain't complaining? :)
[02:16] <nixternal> oh but I am
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> I have dial-up.... 26K dial-up... so be thankful
[02:17] <nixternal> like I said in ops, the next guy who comes through in a comcast van, he is getting it!
[02:17] <Jucato> heheh
[02:17] <Jucato> woah dial up... can't imagine Linux life with that...
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: it ain't easy :)
[02:18] <Jucato> I can only imagine... specially with Kubuntu.. which is very internet dependent :)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> I can send download scripts to my dad at work tho ;)
[02:18] <Jucato> hahah
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> which pretty much circumvents the whole problem
[02:19] <nixternal> man, my first 3 years of Linux was dial-up
[02:19] <nixternal> 1993 to 1996
[02:19] <nixternal> in 1996, the base we lived on, upgraded to Com21 cable modems...the first of their kind in the us
[02:19] <nixternal> lovely, my keyboard works when it wants to today
[02:19] <Jucato> it won't be that bad if the distro you used were sort of self-sufficient (multiple CD's or DVD's)
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: yeah.. SUSE was nice in that way.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: there is always the kubuntu DVD
[02:20] <Jucato> yeah... but for a time, I didn't have a DVD burner too :)
[02:21] <nixternal> me either
[02:21] <nixternal> I just got my first dvd burner a couple of months ago
[02:21] <Jucato> the dvd burner is only on the laptop.. so I still have to transfer :)
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> well, one can ORDER DVD.. remember, a DVD burner won't do me a bit of good if I can't DL it ;)
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> I have never used the DVD burner on this laptop. except to make a backup of windows..
[02:26] <nixternal> yay, LUG meeting this morning....just one day I would love to be able to sleep in
[03:01] <nixternal> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297509,00.html
[03:01] <nixternal> wo0t, Fox News said "It's also available as Kubuntu if you prefer working in KDE. Available as a single-CD installation."
[03:02] <Jucato> kool
[03:02] <nixternal> I was just watching tv, fox news, and I heard Ubuntu...so I ran to the tv just as fast as I could, and low and behold, there was Kubuntu on the tv screen
[03:03] <Jucato> "Freespire (www.freespire.org): This is the free version of the well-known Linspire," wth?
[03:03] <nixternal> ya, they aren't the brightest light bulbs in the bunch
[03:03] <nixternal> they had the tech people on this morning, and it was all about Vista and how much it sucks
[03:04] <Jucato> and of course, you were very much offended,right? :)
[03:04] <nixternal> I can tell you this right now, Vista only has "somewhat pretty" down, the rest of it is god awful. they should be ashamed of releasing this
[03:04] <Jucato> :)
[03:04] <nixternal> I would rather go and get all of my teeth pulled w/o novacaine instead of having to use vista daily
[03:05] <marseillai_> is it still time to include basic bug correction in gutsy like .desktop missing?
[03:05] <nixternal> I have never in my life seen an operating system that is so freakin' scared of itself
[03:05] <Jucato> unfortunately, so many.. um... less enlightened people only need pretty....
[03:07] <nixternal> speed wise, it is decent...it boots just as fast, if not faster than any other OS I have tried...driver support is garbage, software support is horrid
[03:07] <nixternal> everytime you install something, you get this pop up that says "ummm this software isn't compatible...check microsoft for a fix"
[03:07] <nixternal> then you find out there is no fix, so in order to run it, you put it in compatibility mode, run it as admin, and pray that 75% of the application is usable
[03:08] <nixternal> nero 7 will create more coasters on vista, as will irfanrecorder
[03:09] <nixternal> it is ashame that a technological giant puts security in the users hands, and not the OSs at all...you are asked every move you make, are you sure you want to do this...and if you only get asked once, consider yourself lucky
[03:11] <nixternal> although, I will say, that uploading over smb:/ with vista actualy works when you are requested to login
[03:11] <nixternal> hehe
[03:11] <nixternal> well, not so much a rant really...it is just ashame
[03:11] <nixternal> I mean, they are Microsoft, and no matter how much we hate, they have done some good things, but this definitely isn't one
[03:11] <Jucato> hm.. s/rant mode/output mode/
[03:11] <Jucato> sounds less negative :)
[03:12] <nixternal> haha
[03:12] <nixternal> anyways, it was cool to see Ubuntu and Kubuntu on TV...they didn't show any other Linux distro but them 2
[03:13] <Jucato> heheh nice. really nice
[03:13] <nixternal> it felt good to be recognized
[03:13] <Jucato> yes it does :)
[03:18] <marseillai> could someone make a revu? it's really a little thing : just add a .desktop to close this bug : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pokerth/+bug/118420
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118420 in pokerth "[gutsy]  pokerth needs an icon in kde menu/games" [Undecided,Fix committed] 
[03:23] <nixternal> heh
[03:23] <nixternal> I need to get ready for the meeting
[04:29] <fir3> hi
[05:24] <Riddell> Stecchino: dood
[05:25] <Riddell> Stecchino: I hope you realise what you're letting yourself in for :)
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134825 in pokerth "pokerth - blank raise/call/fold buttons" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134825
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118420 in pokerth "[gutsy]  pokerth needs an icon in kde menu/games" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118420
[05:27] <Riddell> marseillai: find someone to upload it for you
[05:27] <marseillai> oki
[05:27] <marseillai> thanks
[05:27] <Riddell> you could, for example, poke me
[05:27] <marseillai> Riddell: are you there ?
[05:27] <marseillai> :p
[05:28] <marseillai> would you have time to take a look at this debdiff : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9469539/pokerth.debdiff wich correct two bug on pokerth ?
[05:29] <Riddell> give me a few minutes, I need to sort out akademy 2008 first
[05:29] <marseillai> no problem
[05:30] <ryanakca> hmmm... is there a reason for still having Kat now that we have strigi?
[05:31] <marseillai> Riddell: the changelog is not complete
[05:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: shouldn't think so
[05:33] <Riddell> kat is pretty well dead I think
[05:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: getting rid of it should be... fixing the deps of kubuntu-desktop?
[05:36] <Riddell> k-d shouldn't depend on kat?
[05:36] <marseillai> Riddell: now the debdiff should be ok : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9469585/pokerth.debdiff
[05:36] <Riddell> it doesn't
[05:39] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... *is trying to figure out why he has it installed*... do we have it by default... or is it from past installs having it, and it just not getting uninstalled...
[05:42] <ryanakca> looks like it's the latter...
[05:42] <ryanakca> `apt-rdepends -r kat` claims that only kat depends on kat... Anybody else have it installed?
[06:01] <marseillai> Riddell: i need to create a kubuntu virtual box do you want me to test a dist-upgrade feitsy -> gutsy or it's useless for the moment ?
[06:02] <Riddell> marseillai: sure, please do
[06:02] <Riddell> ScottK: did you test that .deb?
[06:15] <Riddell> marseillai: you say that closes two bugs but there's only 1 mentioned in the changelog
[06:18] <Riddell> found your fixed one on 134825
[06:19] <Riddell> uploaded
[06:27] <marseillai> Riddell: in fact i forgoted to modify the changelog in the first debdiff
[06:27] <marseillai> but this debdiff : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9469585/pokerth.debdiff is the same with the right changelog
[06:27] <marseillai> thanks for uploading it
[06:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Is this the python-kde one?  Yes.  I tested that on Feisty and it worked.
[06:31] <ScottK> Riddell: I commented so in the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/python-kde3/+bug/117731/comments/22
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,In progress] 
[07:14] <Riddell> ScottK: great, thanks
[07:14] <nixternal> oi Riddell, how goeth the holiday?
[07:14] <Riddell> all over
[07:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I think this SRU is important to get into feisty-updates before the beta ... (but you probably knew that)
[07:15] <Riddell> with the wonders of modern transport I went from my tropical island paradise to this crappy country in less than half a day
[07:15] <Riddell> ScottK: we'll get it into feisty-proposed for beta and document that well
[07:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[07:16] <ScottK> OK.  That'll sort of work too I guess.
[07:16] <ScottK> Makes sense though.
[07:16] <Riddell> no time to get it into -updates, plus I'd like to talk to konsole authors to see if they have any suggestions on improving it
[08:26] <Riddell> Stecchino: most important thing to mind is that it should be capitalised Akademy
[09:19] <marseillai> Riddell: during configuration of libpan0g apt restart kdm . Of course he ask if he should, but many people will answer yes to this ....
[10:22] <jjesse> aftternoon
[10:36] <gustavonarea> Hello, everyone. I have a Toshiba Satellite L35 and I cannot get Kubuntu Tribe 5 (nor Kubuntu Edgy). With the Desktop CD I get an error right when loading the kernel telling me that module 8139too doesn't work; later I tried out the alternate CD and I could install Kubuntu, but now X doesn't start. Ubuntu works flawlessly, both Edgy and Gutsy. What should I do?
[10:51] <gustavonarea> This is the exact error:
[10:51] <gustavonarea> 8139cp 0000:09:02.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip.
[10:51] <gustavonarea> 8139cp 0000:09:02.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead
[10:54] <gustavonarea> There's no way to install Kubuntu, not even an old version. Only Ubuntu works. I've googled for the message above and it seems to be a kernel issue, but I don't understand why it's a kernel issue when Ubuntu does work and Kubuntu does not.