[12:44] <ABOMINIUS> some guide to make dbus recognize /dev/input[n]  as /dev/input/wacom, or somethingh else
[12:44] <ScorpKing> tried google?
[12:44] <ABOMINIUS> y
[12:45] <ABOMINIUS> too trash
[12:45] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:45] <sunilonln> is there an easy way for getting vga and s-video output working with intel 945gm integrated graphics? (i have an hp dv2000t)
[12:45] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[12:46] <ABOMINIUS> bb
[12:46] <bobesponja> hey all
[12:47] <bobesponja> is there a way to make the mouse cursor bigger?
[12:47] <chris|6S> use a bigger cursor theme?
[12:49] <bobesponja> chris|6S: can't find any big mouse theme
[12:50] <dappermuis> sunilonln, if you find a way let me know :)
[12:52] <chris|6S> bobesponja: there is a package called "big-cursor"
[12:56] <chris|6S> bobesponja: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Howto&pagename=X-Big-Cursor/X-Big-Cursor-3.html
[12:57] <cash> Hello maybe some body know ,where I can download MATLAB for linux ? I mean all sources except official site ))
[12:57] <|TroubleMaker|> what does the - in the /etc/syslog.conf files mean (eg mail.* -/var/log/mail.log)
[12:57] <bobesponja> chris|6S: thanx
[12:57] <sunilonln> dappermuis, does that mean it's not supported?
[12:58] <sunilonln> the docs at intellinuxgraphics.org mention support for the outputs, but i haven't been able to get any customized xorg.conf working
[12:58] <Hamra> hi all, lets wish i won't be bothering you any soon :P, just installed kubuntu, set my default boot to winxp so sisters wont mess up my linux, and downloading packages, everything is fine so far, really appreciate what you are doing here.
[12:59] <uga|away> cash: you should send an e-mail to support@matlab.com and ask them. sure they can help you out
[12:59] <cash> uga|away it is joke ?? )))
[12:59] <uga> cash: as much of a joke as your question
[01:01] <cash> uga =)) What the stupid in my question ? ) I m never by soft .))) It is no needed)
[01:01] <uga> cash: then install scilab or octave, or join #pirates
[01:02] <cash> k ) thnx
[01:02] <uga> this channel is meant to be for kubuntu support, not piracy support
[01:03] <cash> i will known that .for future
[01:04] <newsense07> i just installed beryl for fiesty and get a white screen and mouse pointer only, any suggestions?
[01:05] <uga> newsense07: what gfx card are you using?
[01:05] <uga> I had no trouble on my old box with an fx5200 and nvidia drivers
[01:06] <newsense07> old onboard ati
[01:07] <uga> uhm... I can't really tell about ati support
[01:07] <newsense07> is beryl gpu intensive ?
[01:07] <newsense07> older laptop
[01:07] <uga> well, my gfx card was quite slow, and still run fine, so not that intensive, I guess
[01:07] <uga> but it does need acceleration and big chunk of ram
[01:08] <newsense07> uga:could be it
[01:08] <newsense07> uga:not much ram here but i figured it would work
[01:08] <khaije1> newsense07: also on older laptops where video ram is shared it can be taxing
[01:09] <uga> well, when I said my gfx card was slow... I meant compared to current cards... 3 years ago it was okay ;)
[01:09] <newsense07> khaije1: should i dedicate less system memory to gpu ?
[01:09] <uga> newsense07: I don't think a white screen means lack of ram though
[01:09] <uga> rather lack of support
[01:09] <newsense07> uga: i didnt think so myself
[01:09] <khaije1> newsense07: i didn't know it's adjustable, you may want to get more if yr system doesn't have much
[01:10] <uga> beryl needs certain support from the driver in order to work
[01:10] <newsense07> ill google my vid card and beryl, see what i get
[01:10] <intelikey> can anyone answer me a riddle ?   why did installing *buntu-desktop make setting up the network take 39 seconds longer at boot time when,  a) none of my startup (init scripts) changed.   b) i use static ip on eth[0-2] .   c) nothing new is starting.     ???
[01:10] <newsense07> khaije1: i believe i can adjust shared mem in bios
[01:10] <khaije1> just type glxinfo :-)
[01:11] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi all, Im using kubuntu on a dell d620 laptop and I have wifi lan using ndis drivers.. Im using knetwork-manager to connect to an access point that has wep encryption, but it fails to connect and I don't know why. Could anybody assist me?
[01:11] <khaije1> newsense07: o ok, that makes sense, i've never had that option in any of my machines
[01:11] <dario> hello
[01:11] <newsense07> khaije1: gxinfo returns unable to open display
[01:11] <khaije1> wow, thats weird
[01:12] <uga> newsense07: run it with the same user that started the desktop
[01:12] <uga> normal user, not root
[01:12] <intelikey> any guesses ?
[01:12] <jcs7778> Is there a way to make my few gnome apps like firefox use the kde open save as dialogue insted of defaulting to nautilus?
[01:13] <dario> ati 3d driver no work
[01:13] <Biovore> !ati
[01:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:13] <uga> intelikey: that's weird. What are you comparing to? (previous to *buntu desktop, I mean)
[01:13] <intelikey> uga yeah previous to installing *buntu-desktop
[01:14] <newsense07> uga: glxinfo still returns the same output as normal user or with superuser rights
[01:14] <uga> intelikey: what did you have before that =)
[01:14] <intelikey> same thing i have with that... ?
[01:14] <intelikey> linux
[01:15] <uga> intelikey: what linux distro. My understanding is you just installed a kubuntu/ubuntu desktop. But based from where
[01:15] <uga> what CD did you install
[01:15] <intelikey> uga no.
[01:15] <newsense07> uga: nm i just figured out why glxinfo was returning no screens found, i was running it from a different terminal than the xserver is running on
[01:16] <intelikey> you misunderstand.    i only installed the meta packages "*buntu-desktop"  onto the running linux system
[01:16] <newsense07> uga: what am i looking for?
[01:16] <uga> newsense07: no idea. It wasn't me that asked for glxinfo ;)
[01:16] <newsense07> uga:sorry
[01:16] <xluchox> I have a question related to wifi
[01:16] <newsense07> khaije1:what am i looking for in the output of glxinfo?
[01:17] <intelikey> so anyone got a clue what installing *buntu-desktop might change that would make "setting up the network"  take so much longer ?
[01:17] <xluchox> Im using wifi from linux and I think it has less range
[01:17] <uga> intelikey: those are installed by default with any ubuntu/kubuntu CD
[01:17] <xluchox> is that possible?
[01:17] <uga> intelikey: that's why I'm asking what you installed first
[01:18] <khaije1> newsense07: i don't remember specificly, but there is info in there that will tell you if yr gfx card has hw accel (which is needed for beryl)
[01:18] <khaije1> newsense07: actually there are lots of great tutorials that can give you a step by step, have you checked any out?
[01:18] <xluchox> when I get far nfrom the source I lose the connection very quickly
[01:19] <intelikey> uga no you are asking because you don't believe what i say,  you think you know something about my system that i don't know.    you do not.   i have ubuntu linux installed,   everything setup the way i want.   then added *ubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <newsense07> khaije1: i was just told i cant use beryl with xgl i should use compiz /
[01:19] <khaije1> newsense07: ha! sorry, i used the wrong term, when i set mine up it was still called beryl
[01:19] <intelikey> adding *buntu-desktop   made the one process of "setting up the network" at boot time take much longer.
[01:20] <khaije1> newsense07: you are using fiesty?
[01:20] <uga> intelikey: if I thought I knew what your system was, I wouldnt' be asking. I'm just asking what stfuf you installed first. Any ubuntu CD installs a desktop by default. Either kubuntu desktop or ubuntu desktop or edubuntu desktop or *desktop
[01:20] <khaije1> if so you already have aiglx, so you just need to install compiz
[01:20] <intelikey> uga not applicable.
[01:21] <rajkalyan> * rajkalyan?
[01:21] <uga> intelikey: you won't get answers if you don't answer questions. Sorry, but you sure are grown up enough to understand that
[01:22] <uga> rajkalyan: cookies disabled here ;)
[01:22] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:22] <rajkalyan> :
[01:22] <rajkalyan> :D
[01:22] <intelikey> uga i have answered you.   there was no damned *buntu-desktop installed.   i suppose you never even heard of "server install"    please drop it now.
[01:22] <rajkalyan> ooooooooooooo
[01:22] <rajkalyan> u just got dissed
[01:22] <rajkalyan> LOL
[01:22] <uga> intelikey: sure, my question was "what CD did you install first, then"
[01:22] <uga> and you still haven't answered
[01:23] <uga> okay, now... server install, that's what I wanted to know
[01:23] <uga> intelikey: now, did you notice any kernel upgrades... by ... any chance?
[01:23] <uga> it could be a bug in the kernel module or dhclient
[01:23] <intelikey> because that question is not applicable to this issue.   i installed from the hoary install cd   but that is not applacable   and has nothing to do with this.
[01:24] <uga> oh it does, if the upgrade to the desktop upgraded kernels
[01:24] <uga> or if it enabled the network manager
[01:24] <intelikey> i didn't upgrade to.   ok you get ignored.
[01:24] <uga> or if it upgraded the dhcp client
[01:24] <uga> intelikey: thank you
[01:24] <uga> I feel better =)
[01:25] <intelikey> talk about running circles....  man....
[01:25] <khaije1> wow uga you pissed off intelikey
[01:25] <uga> khaije1: just by responding him =)
[01:25] <khaije1> uhm...
[01:25] <uga> I proposed 3 different possible issues
[01:25] <uga> sure the desktop got nothing to do with his bootup times
[01:25] <uga> everyone knows that, ... except him ;)
[01:26] <uga> s/bootup times/network bootup times
[01:26] <intelikey> anyone else have a thought on this.  i'm still interested in input.    and i'll try to not cause a seen
[01:26] <niwatix> Bonjour tout le monde ;)
[01:26] <khaije1> intelikey: what is the issue?
[01:26] <intelikey> !fr | NiwatiX
[01:26] <ubotu> NiwatiX: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:26] <NiwatiX> ah sry
[01:26] <NiwatiX> haha
[01:27] <intelikey> khaije1 adding   *buntu-desktop   made the    'setting up the network'   at boot take  a lot longer.
[01:29] <intelikey> i mean what was maybe 2 seconds  now takes 41 seconds.    just that one script.   and the script didn't change.   i thought maybe  /etc/network/interfaces had  but alas  it hasn't either.     and i don't use dhcp  it's all static.
[01:30] <intelikey> hmmmm could be something in /etc/defaults/  maybe ???  i'll rm it and see.
[01:32] <Biovore> intelikey: probably avhi has something to do with that..
[01:32] <intelikey> avhi ???
[01:32] <intelikey> is that an app ?
[01:32] <uga> Biovore: the mDNS client can be that slow?
[01:32] <intelikey> !find avhi
[01:32] <ubotu> Package/file avhi does not exist in feisty
[01:32] <Biovore> It does weird stuff on my box here..
[01:32] <Biovore> I had to remove it..
[01:33] <Biovore> avhi-deamon I think is the package name
[01:33] <intelikey> av[tab]   no executables....
[01:33] <uga> Biovore: tell him avahi instead ;)
[01:33] <uga> he's got me on ignore :P
[01:34] <Biovore> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=avahi&searchon=names&subword=1&version=feisty&release=all
[01:35] <Biovore> basicly it manages you network interface for you..  I my case.. it made wrong deceissions all the time..
[01:35] <Biovore> bascily I replaced it with a small perl script..
[01:35] <intelikey> ah   powerpc.   this isn't a mac
[01:36] <Biovore> i386,amd64,ppc
[01:36] <Biovore> its on all
[01:36] <intelikey> package doesn't exist in dapper anyway.
[01:37] <Biovore> oh.. your on dapper.
[01:37] <Biovore> ?
[01:37] <uga> intelikey: had you told us before that you're still running dapper... but yeah, respond "not applicable" and get people thinking for ages
[01:37] <intelikey> have been sense two months before it released
[01:37] <Biovore> haha.. differrent problem then..
[01:37] <intelikey> yeah.
[01:38] <Biovore> all my dapper boxes are static ips.. so I not sure..
[01:38] <Biovore> aw he left..
[01:38] <umarzuki> hi
[01:39] <Biovore> oO
[01:39] <uga> Biovore: you are surprised? didn't you see how he answered to all my questions up there, when I queried abou what he had installed?
[01:40] <Biovore> nope.. only paying 1/2 attention atm
[01:40] <uga> nice... ircing as root =)
[01:40] <intelikey> it's not in /etc/default/      hmmm   i have no idea why it's taking longer.
[01:40] <dario> !ati
[01:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:40] <intelikey> uga again you show your   assumed inteligance.   i'm not root.  that's just a mask.
[01:41] <uga> fine with me
[01:41] <uga> intelikey: you just had people turning around without telling them you were running dapper. Had you answered to my first question of what you had installed, it wouldn't have happenned
[01:41] <Biovore> intelikey: I am guessing your using dhcp and its taking longer then expected?
[01:41] <uga> Biovore: static dns
[01:42] <uga> s/dns/ip
[01:42] <rajkalyan> thats my PSP
[01:42] <rajkalyan> jk
[01:42] <Biovore> static ip shouldn't take any time at all..  My dapper box doesn't
[01:47] <khaije1> my current isp setup is seriously lacking
[01:48] <intelikey> and there is the infernal reseting modem to deal with also...
[01:48] <uga> khaije1: like most of them, unfortunately
[01:49] <intelikey> Biovore if you said anything after the    i suppose dhcp   statement   i missed.
[01:50] <Biovore> nothing really..  my dapper box's run static ips
[01:50] <intelikey> k
[01:52] <intelikey> i wonder if some lib that is read has a dummy package that i was using before and now it's the full lib      i know that's reaching   but something has to have changed....
[01:52] <intelikey> s/is read/is read by ifup or ifconfig maybe/
[01:53] <Biovore> could be..  dhcp client change maybe?
[01:53] <tekteen> hi
[01:53] <tekteen> everyone
[01:53] <intelikey> again if i used dhcp.....    but i don't.
[01:53] <Biovore> hmm..  My dapper boxes are statics and they don't have any problems here..
[01:54] <intelikey> it's not really a problem   just makes boot up take twice as long.    and these boxes get power off when not in use.
[01:54] <tekteen> Can anyone help me with a bash script?
[01:54] <intelikey> sure
[01:55] <intelikey> tekteen what ya need ?
[01:55] <tekteen> I need it to read in files
[01:55] <tekteen> one at a time (for)
[01:55] <tekteen> The files have spaces
[01:55] <tekteen> It gives me each word
[01:55] <tekteen> not file
[01:56] <tekteen> I even tried using sed to put quotes around each file
[01:56] <tekteen> ???
[01:56] <intelikey> find /basedir/ -type f -exec echo '{}' ;\ | while read Q ;do something with $Q ;done
[01:57] <intelikey> can work with a varable as well as read.
[01:57] <tekteen> thanks
[01:57] <pillowpants> has anyone sucessfully been able to get flash working for firefox?
[01:57] <intelikey> np
[01:57] <pillowpants> amd64
[01:57] <tekteen> yes
[01:57] <ardchoille> Is the konqueror web browser not able to load gmail?
[01:58] <tekteen> sorry not amd 64
[01:58] <pillowpants> tekteen : oh
[01:58] <tekteen> have you tried from the repo
[01:58] <tekteen> ?
[01:58] <intelikey> ardchoille i have heard that you need to have it identify as mozilla     or something like that.
[01:58] <pillowpants> tekteen : yeah, but nothing really does the job
[01:58] <ardchoille> pillowpants: I have friends who have gotten flash working in firefox on amd64 but it takes a lot of work
[01:58] <khaije1> pillowpants: google for nspluginwrapper
[01:59] <ardchoille> intelikey: Ah, I'll try that.
[01:59] <khaije1> pillowpants: worked for me
[01:59] <pillowpants> khaije1 : yeah, ive head of that
[01:59] <pillowpants> tried it before, but with no sucess
[01:59] <pillowpants> ill give it a go again
[01:59] <uga> ardchoille: it should work fine with current version of konqueror and gmail. What's happenning?
[01:59] <pillowpants> does anyone know if adobe will be releasing a 64 bit plugin anytime soon?
[02:00] <uga> pillowpants: they've always been slow at supporting linux... =(
[02:00] <ardchoille> uga: It's reporting that ActiveX controls are not enabled.
[02:00] <uga> active x? has gmail gone nuts? =)
[02:00] <ardchoille> uga: That's what the web page said. Surprised me too.
[02:00] <uga> ardchoille: are you faking client browser ID?
[02:00] <squidlick> is there anyway to install flash,java, and all that on konquerer??
[02:01] <pillowpants> does nspluginwrapper require using 32-bit firefox?
[02:01] <pillowpants> or just the libraries for it
[02:01] <uga> ardchoille: tools->change browser identification->default identification
[02:01] <khaije1> pillowpants: none of the above
[02:01] <uga> works fine for me, right now
[02:01] <intelikey> !info flashplayer-nonfree | squidlick
[02:01] <ubotu> squidlick: Package flashplayer-nonfree does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:01] <intelikey> ooops.
[02:01] <intelikey> i misnamed it i guess.   but search for the first word.
[02:02] <squidlick> !info flashplayer
[02:02] <intelikey> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[02:02] <ubotu> Package flashplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:02] <khaije1> pillowpants: it's all 64bit it just translates the netscape plugin api from 32 to 64, it's great
[02:02] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:02] <intelikey> there  ya go  ^
[02:02] <pillowpants> khaije1 : ill try it
[02:02] <pillowpants> thanks
[02:02] <squidlick> <- sad
[02:03] <squidlick> ty though intelikey
[02:03] <ardchoille> uga: Got it, thanks.
[02:03] <intelikey> ?
[02:03] <intelikey> !info flashplugin-nonfree | squidlick
[02:03] <ubotu> squidlick: flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:04] <khaije1> pillowpants: it's the next best thing to 64bit flash (which doesn't exist), making it the best thing :-)
[02:07] <intelikey> reality; the next best thing to vertual reality...
[02:11] <ardchoille> Wow, I like that Change Browser Identification menu item :)  Now I can access my bank in konqueror :)
[02:11] <intelikey> hmmm that's not it either...     it's the little things that tic ya off.   ya know.
[02:11] <uga> khaije1: is there an official site for the nspluginwrapper sources?
[02:12] <uga> khaije1: or do I need to dig for debian sources
[02:13] <Zombine> !ntfs
[02:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:15] <rustalot> hey guys, do you know how well flash works on 64-bit Gutsy?
[02:15] <uga> heh, funny that, now that windows is trying to switch over to a new FS, linux is getting a stable ntfs rw access ;)
[02:15] <daSkreech> !flash64
[02:15] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:15] <uga> rustalot: I tried a gutsy upgrade,... and no matter how much I tried, the thing wouldn't even boot, here
[02:15] <daSkreech> !gutsy | rustalot
[02:15] <ubotu> rustalot: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:17] <rustalot> uga: well, I'm using gutsy32 now, because feisty doesn't work on my laptop
[02:17] <rustalot> anyways, it's offtopic
[02:17] <uga> okay, I was just warning you ;)
[02:18] <daSkreech> rustalot: #ubuntu+1 should give you a better idea how it is currently
[02:18] <uga> daSkreech: people there weren't very responsive when I asked...
[02:19] <daSkreech> uga: Yeah busy look for extinguishers for their computers >_<
[02:19] <uga> lol
[02:30] <rustalot> hey, do you guys know anything about samba?
[02:30] <atlfalcons866> how do install gusty gibbon
[02:31] <rustalot> !gutsy
[02:31] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <intelikey> testing  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39655
[02:36] <intelikey> may have issues with unicode and the  chat
[02:38] <daSkreech> intelikey: What's that do?
[02:39] <atlfalcons866> !gutsy
[02:39] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:39] <intelikey> just display info.
[02:40] <daSkreech> That would be the \260 ?
[02:40] <intelikey> yes the   `printf "\260"`
[02:43] <intelikey>   heh   #
[02:48] <intelikey> well shoot.  even though i have   *buntu-desktop installed it seems i dont have ubuntu-base installed    no nano....  //
[02:48] <stdin> how can you live without nano??
[02:49] <daSkreech> Use pico :)
[02:49] <intelikey> simple as mc
[02:49] <stdin> nano is pico, or as intelikey would say "nano == pico == nano"
[02:49] <intelikey> daSkreech heh without nano you have no pico either  pico is a symlink to nano
[02:49] <intelikey> fooled ya.  said something different    :)
[02:50] <uga|away> strange... why is it that in two continous installs of the same CD, one of them had ia32 libs installed, yet the other one didn't?
[02:50] <uga|away> and thus I had 32bit apps not working
[02:51] <intelikey> something you chose ?     or maybe just a  'ubiquity'  thang !
[02:52] <uga> there's basically no options during the kubuntu install, other than the mirror
[02:52] <intelikey> yeah  sux don't it.
[02:52] <uga> the only difference is on one of the installs I only formatted the / partition. It doesn't make much senses
[02:53] <intelikey> idk.
[02:53] <intelikey> i don't even use partitions any more.
[02:53] <daSkreech> not even one?
[02:53] <intelikey> nope\
[02:54] <uga> not even swap?
[02:54] <yoshibot> how does that even work
[02:54] <uga> yoshibot: well, one partition is needed... sda1 or so ;)
[02:54] <intelikey> yoshibot you don't mount partitions you mount file systems.   i made a file system on the hd
[02:54] <Biovore> you don't need  a swap partition
[02:54] <uga> at least _one_ =)
[02:55] <intelikey> uga  i have no partition   none.
[02:55] <Biovore> it can be a swap file
[02:55] <uga> intelikey: so you boot off the net?
[02:55] <uga> Biovore: right
[02:55] <intelikey> no  i use lilo
[02:55] <Biovore> hehe
[02:55] <yoshibot> so he just has everything on the hard drive raw with no partition table?
[02:55] <Biovore> partitions are a PC thing..
[02:55] <Biovore> some systems don't use partitions on there..
[02:55] <intelikey> yoshibot correct.
[02:56] <yoshibot> that is both the craziest and the coolest thing I've heard of
[02:56] <Biovore> nonthing about linux says you have to have a parition on your storage media..
[02:56] <intelikey> yoshibot ty    lol
[02:56] <uga> Biovore: yup, as far as you can get lilo to boot from there =)
[02:56] <intelikey> lilo has no probelm   grub on the other hand can't do it.
[02:57] <Biovore> it would be a chainload for grub
[02:57] <Biovore> kinda tricky
[02:57] <intelikey> lilo reads a literal address.   "blocks"    grub premounts a partition,   and seeing that i have no partition grub can't be used.
[02:58] <intelikey> i tried seven ways to sunday to make grub work.   it's just too weak.
[02:59] <uga> uhm... there's a bug in the latest pack of clamav-base
[02:59] <uga> it tries to chown the directory /var/run/clamav
[02:59] <uga> without trying to create it first if it doesn't exist ;)
[02:59] <intelikey> not running it as root are you ?
[02:59] <Biovore> well lilo is simplistic for that kind of stuff.. just load some data at some offset and then executes it..
[02:59] <intelikey> can't run clamav as root   it wont work.
[03:00] <uga> intelikey: a bug in the installer, not in the app
[03:00] <uga> in the deb file
[03:00] <uga> Setting up clamav-base (0.90.2-0ubuntu1.4) ...
[03:00] <uga> chown: cannot access `/var/run/clamav': No such file or directory
[03:01] <uga> ^^^ it will work if a previous version of clamav has been installed, but obviously not if it's first time
[03:01] <intelikey> Biovore correct   where as  grub is an   OS   and it has to then read the fs the kernel is on,   they simply forgot to allow for mounting things that bios doesn't recognize.      basically if bios cant boot it grub can't either.
[03:01] <uga> so you just manually create the dir and the setup goes just fine
[03:01] <bigdave> Hi all!  Does anybody know how to prevent "Remote Share" icons from being placed on the desktop (KDE) for CIFS shares mounted in /etc/fstab?
[03:02] <savetheWorld> Hi all, anyone know what the name of the apt packages are for Samba/CIFS and sshd?
[03:02] <intelikey> uga yeah  the dpkg scripts are not very well written    all that one needed was a    mkdir -p /var/run/clamav    line before it chowned it and  bingo  it works....
[03:03] <intelikey> first year bash monkey should know that....
[03:03] <stdin> savetheWorld: samba is in the "samba" package, and sshd is in "openssh-server"
[03:03] <intelikey> savetheWorld   samba <something and>  ssh
[03:04] <savetheWorld> thanks you gentlemen!
[03:04] <intelikey> idk about the cifs
[03:04] <savetheWorld> |thanks you"?  stupid fingers... :-)
[03:05] <stdin> cifs is an extension of smb, all part of samba
[03:05] <ardchoille> savetheWorld: It's not you, it's your keyboard.. you don't have the "do what I want not what I said" plugin installed ;)
[03:05] <bigdave> savetheWorld: I believe sshd is in "openssl" and cifs is in "smbfs" and/or "smbclient"
[03:05] <intelikey> ah ok.  then    samba ssh      or as stdin put it openssh-server
[03:06] <intelikey> ardchoille :)
[03:06] <waylandbill> intelikey: do you ever sleep? :)
[03:06] <ardchoille> waylandbill: No
[03:06] <waylandbill> I thought so
[03:06] <savetheWorld> ok, thank you.
[03:06] <intelikey> err no wait.
[03:07] <intelikey>  :)
[03:07] <savetheWorld> ardchoille: it is me, I almost did it again. :-)
[03:07] <ardchoille> savetheWorld: lol
[03:07] <waylandbill> is there a difference? ;)
[03:07] <ardchoille> waylandbill: No
[03:08] <waylandbill> 21:00 or 03:00.. it seems like intelikey is always on
[03:08] <intelikey> [ ubuntu-base -o ! ubuntu-base ] 
[03:09] <intelikey> ed !
[03:09] <intelikey> ed is not even installed....
[03:09] <bigdave> Nobody has a clue re: "Remote Share" icons on the desktop????
[03:09] <uga> bigdave: the thing is I don't have smb mounted drives over ehre
[03:10] <uga> bigdave: what you want is just to change the icon?
[03:10] <uga> so that it looks like any other normal folder?
[03:10] <intelikey> can you believe this    with *buntu-desktop installed    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39656
[03:10] <uga> or just avoiding them to appear on the desktop
[03:11] <bigdave> I wanted to NOT have them show up on the desktop at all.  I have them mounted via /etc/fstab.  I'd like them accessed via the file system -- not via an icon shortcut to a smb:// link
[03:11] <bigdave> on the desktop
[03:11] <uga> there's an option on what media it should show... iirc
[03:11] <uga> a sec
[03:11] <intelikey> bigdave  right click the desktop and select the show device icons tab   choose what you want.
[03:12] <intelikey> oh   in the configure desktop  ^
[03:12] <uga> bigdave: there it is
[03:12] <uga> bigdave: kcontrol->desktop->behavior
[03:12] <uga> bigdave: device icons->show device icons:
[03:12] <uga> and unselect samba shares
[03:13] <uga> s/unselect/deselect
[03:13] <intelikey> kcontrol or right click the desktop or system settings   all lead to the same page
[03:14] <uga> intelikey: maybe in dapper
[03:14] <intelikey> kde + right click everything  == kcontrol
[03:14] <uga> it shows part of kcotrol kcms, right
[03:14] <uga> but not all
[03:14] <bigdave> AWESOME!  You ROCK!  Now are those settings per user or are they global to KDE?
[03:15] <intelikey> true.  i stand corrected.  i was inprecise on that one.   thank you.
[03:16] <intelikey> bigdave user
[03:16] <uga> bigdave: they are per user basis. I guess you could hack the defaults so that they get copied to .kde, thugh
[03:17] <intelikey> bigdave basicly if it doesn't ask for your password it's local.
[03:17] <faires> Hi, I'm trying to watch a DVD area 4, and Kaffeine says I cannot doing so
[03:17] <bigdave> uga / intelikey: Alrighty!  Thanks a LOT!
[03:17] <faires> (But I'm in area 4... :) )
[03:17] <jr_> How do I remove the limit to when my screen goes blank?
[03:17] <faires> Is there anything I should apt-get in order to it work properly?
[03:17] <intelikey> jr_ bios
[03:18] <jr_> From within Kubuntu?
[03:18] <faires> Kaffeine says the DVD is encrypted
[03:18] <Biovore> faires: well since your outside the US.. you can get libdecss
[03:19] <intelikey> jr_ that is normally set in bios apm apci      if you are only talking about the screensaver   right click the desktop and configure it.
[03:19] <uga> Biovore: he could, even if he were inside the US ;)
[03:19] <Biovore> well technical decss violates the DMCA
[03:19] <jr_> intelikey: I don't have the screensaver configured
[03:19] <faires> Biovore: thanks, I'll try
[03:20] <intelikey> jr_ there is also kde power management       you can look into that.  but i make no promice that it will over ride the bios setting.
[03:20] <stdin> jr_: give "xset s off" a go, and remove the "DPMS" part from xorg.conf
[03:21] <jr_> "xset s off" a command?
[03:21] <faires> Biovore: are you sure libdecss is the package name?
[03:21] <stdin> jr_: yes
[03:21] <faires> Adept is not finding it...
[03:21] <intelikey> stdin that works too,  on newer bios'    don't know what he has to work with tho...  </shrugs>
[03:22] <jr_> Sysinfo for 'jr-laptop': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)MCPU430@1.73GHz at 1729 MHz (3461 bogomips), , RAM: 1941/2018MB, 116 proc's, 1.24h up
[03:22] <stdin> faires, Biovore: it's "libdvdcss" not "libdcss"
[03:22] <intelikey> should be new enough
[03:22] <stdin> faires: just do "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh" to install it
[03:24] <intelikey> ABOMINIUS what language ?
[03:24] <faires> stdin: Thanks, I'm trying it...
[03:25] <intelikey> ABOMINIUS python ?
[03:25] <ABOMINIUS> guess
[03:25] <hydrogen> thats obviously not python
[03:25] <ABOMINIUS> php script
[03:25] <stdin> mmk
[03:25] <faires> stdin: Biovore: thanks a lot, it worked properly...
[03:25] <intelikey> it's obviously not shell script either   :)
[03:26] <hydrogen> could be perl I think
[03:26] <hydrogen> but then again
[03:26] <faires> Now I can watch "An inconvenient truth"... ;)
[03:26] <hydrogen> almost anything could be perl
[03:26] <intelikey> php   hmmmm ok.
[03:26] <Zombine> hydrogen:  But why would you?
[03:26] <hydrogen> %)#@()#()$@)()(;.\& <- prints out the first six books of the bible in perl
[03:27] <intelikey> hydrogen well i first thought perl  but then the echo command through a wrench in that idea
[03:27] <Zombine> Furthermore, does anyone know how to turn off all KDE's damn annoying sounds?
[03:27] <dezordia> Hi Sirs!
[03:27] <intelikey> Zombine heh yeah   kcontrol
[03:28] <intelikey> breaking glass are we Zombine ?
[03:28] <stdin> or System Settings > Notifications
[03:29] <Zombine> intelikey: More or less :D
[03:29] <intelikey> not by choice tho
[03:30] <Zombine> No speakers?  No driver?  No card?
[03:30] <intelikey> none of the above.
[03:30] <Zombine> Just told it to shut its damn mouth?
[03:30] <intelikey> issue #42
[03:30] <dezordia> anybody has a Eric4 .deb for kubuntu ? or a URL for source.lists ?
[03:31] <Zombine> intelikey: Which is....?
[03:31] <intelikey> no it talks,  just so quiet you need to hold the speekers to your ear to hear them
[03:31] <intelikey> as far as i can tell it's not repairable within dapper.
[03:32] <Zombine> oh.  I noticed my box has quieter sound that it does on XP, but I haven't installed any drivers...
[03:32] <Zombine> Pick a new distro?
[03:32] <dezordia> +_+
[03:32] <Biovore> Zombine: try tunning up the sound levels in the mixer..  might need to turn up some odd ball ones..
[03:33] <dezordia> anybody has a Eric4 .deb for kubuntu ? or a URL for source.lists to install it ?
[03:33] <Zombine> Biovore: Will try.  Thanks
[03:33] <intelikey> thought about it.   but if i do that i need to add an hd.  this one has some archived stuff i don't want to loose.
[03:33] <Zombine> intelikey: You can't install one over another without a new format each time?
[03:33] <Zombine> also box.com
[03:34] <intelikey> Zombine   box.com ???
[03:34] <intelikey> heh
[03:34] <intelikey> :)
[03:34] <Zombine> intelikey: It's an online storage host.  Like photobucket I guess but for whatever
[03:35] <dezordia> anybody has a ideia?
[03:35] <intelikey> yeah for what ever.     cardboard or plastic ?    lol
[03:35] <Zombine> lol
[03:36] <intelikey> dezordia ! i
[03:36] <dezordia> intelikey: Hi! =D
[03:36] <intelikey> sorry shell code for    not me
[03:37] <intelikey>              ! blah         not whatever
[03:37] <dezordia> intelikey: You know how i install eric4 on kubuntu ?
[03:37] <Zombine> dezordia: sudo apt-get install eric4?
[03:37] <rrbiz> some1 know about intel pentium M scaling why it's not ?
[03:37] <intelikey> dezordia that was the answer    no.   ! i    or  not me.
[03:38] <dezordia> no has a eric4 package, only eric3 package. =(
[03:39] <Zombine> dezordia: Actually, if it isn't in the repositories for Synaptic, you can download it from eric's website and install it using the install command from your hdd
[03:39] <dezordia> on official source.list
[03:39] <intelikey> !b-e | dezordia you can build the source, but you need to look here
[03:39] <ubotu> dezordia you can build the source, but you need to look here: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:41] <dezordia> Zombine: This is not the problem. . . The problem is with the QScintilla2...
[03:42] <dezordia> This is dont work. =(
[03:42] <Zombine> dezordia: Okay you are now over my head xD.  But someone here is bound to be smarter than I am
[03:42] <kloplop> I know this is an odd question, but how can I have a background music while on my login screen, I bet edited sources can do it, but that's beyond me
[03:43] <Zombine> kloplop aside from starting a player and switching users?  No idea :P
[03:43] <dezordia> I come here imagine anybody was make a package from the eric4.
[03:44] <intelikey> kloplop have kdm call a script
[03:45] <kloplop> yeah, well I got this awsomly annoying song that will annoy the heck out of anyone but me, and I want it to play every time I boot up
[03:45] <Zombine> How would I change my default music player?
[03:45] <intelikey> kloplop in the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.conf  i think you can specify   errrr not sure.   maybe i better check.
[03:45] <kloplop> well, this is an mp3, so can the system play it by itself?
[03:46] <intelikey> kloplop on only on boot   that's easy.   call it from  /etc/rc.local
[03:46] <dezordia> Well, i will make the package eric4 for kubuntu. But not now. . . in a few days!
[03:46] <kloplop> k just a sec
[03:46] <dezordia> Tks guys! c'ya! o/
[03:47] <intelikey> kloplop make it a .ogg and sox can   well it can mp3 also if you tell it the decoder to use   but .ogg is the easy way.
[03:47] <kloplop> ok, just a moment though I need to get to the conf file anyway
[03:47] <intelikey> install sox     edit /etc/rc.local   adding a line   play /path/to/file.ogg
[03:48] <kloplop> ok :)
[03:49] <intelikey> note that only root will be able to kill that.   i will play until it ends.  or you sudo killall sox
[03:49] <kloplop> intelikey, I am installing cox right now
[03:49] <kloplop> sox
[03:49] <intelikey> sox
[03:49] <intelikey> yeah.
[03:49] <kloplop> how would I convert an mp3 to ogg in linux anyway?
[03:50] <hydrogen> lame -d file.mp3 oggenc file.wav
[03:50] <intelikey> several ways.  easiest i know of is  audacity
[03:50] <hydrogen> or
[03:50] <hydrogen> mp32ogg
[03:50] <hydrogen> oddly enough :)(
[03:50] <intelikey> oh yeah that.  mp32ogg   forgot that one.
[03:50] <kloplop> yeah well just wait, I gota copy it off my windows hardrive on sda2
[03:50] <hydrogen> audacity is kind of like using latex to write an email
[03:51] <hydrogen> sure it does the job.. but is it really worth it?
[03:52] <intelikey> hydrogen if you have "keyphobia"  it is...  :)
[03:52] <jhutchins> There's probably an mp3toogg wrapper taht does it.
[03:52] <hydrogen> like `mp32ogg`
[03:52] <hydrogen> you mean?
[03:52] <hydrogen> (which I meantioned all of two minutes ago)
[03:52] <uga> how about getting your desktops up to date and installing gui apps? =)
[03:52] <uga> soundkonverter, for example :P
[03:53] <hydrogen> why use a gui app to do something that is a whole lot easier on the command line?
[03:53] <intelikey> hey maybe there is a tool in the ogg-utils package that can do that,,,   like  mp32ogg   or something ?
[03:53] <intelikey> vorbis-utils  even
[03:53] <uga> if audacity is to sound encoding what latex is to e-mailing, then mpg32ogg is to encoding what telnet is to e-mailing ;)
[03:53] <intelikey> not telnet   fetchmail.
[03:54] <hydrogen> cd /music/mp3; find . -name \*.mp3 -exec mp32ogg {} +
[03:54] <hydrogen> no
[03:54] <intelikey> better qoute that    '{}'
[03:54] <hydrogen> fetchmail is one way :)
[03:54] <intelikey> might have spaces in the file name.
[03:54] <yoshibot> Anyone here know how to get Kubuntu to use two heads?
[03:55] <intelikey> hydrogen you said "sending an email"  ok   sendmail   my bad.
[03:55] <kloplop> I am converting the mp3 to ogg right now with lame
[03:55] <hydrogen> doesn't matter about spaces in the name
[03:55] <hydrogen> in theory
[03:55] <hydrogen> though I suppose if mp32ogg didn't handle it
[03:55] <intelikey> also has to end in   \;
[03:55] <hydrogen> no
[03:55] <kloplop> just put _
[03:55] <hydrogen> I intentionally did \;
[03:55] <uga> apt-get install sounkonverter, guys ;)
[03:55] <hydrogen> err
[03:56] <hydrogen> I intentionally did +
[03:56] <hydrogen> though it may not work with mp32ogg either :)
[03:56] <hydrogen> never tried
[03:56] <hydrogen> + passes as many matches as it can on one command line
[03:56] <hydrogen> rather than a new process for each match
[03:57] <uga> kloplop: btw, I presume you got no access to the original sources? you are losing quality twice
[03:57] <intelikey> hydrogen and you intentionally did that with an incoder ???
[03:57] <uga> hydrogen: dno't forget quality settings
[03:57] <hydrogen> intelikey: as I said I'm not sure how mp32ogg would handle it
[03:57] <hydrogen> It's just generally a better idea :)
[03:58] <hydrogen> uga: For most usages (read non audiophile) the default quality setting is fine.. especially if one is converting from mp3 anyways
[03:58] <hydrogen> either way
[03:58] <hydrogen> as you can see TMTOWTDI
[03:58] <uga> yes, notice the mp3 could be set to real high quality
[03:59] <hydrogen> theres no such thing :P
[03:59] <uga> hydrogen: Too Much TO What To Do I?
[03:59] <hydrogen> close!
[03:59] <kloplop> uga, yeah I noticed when I played it, it seemed to loose quality
[03:59] <uga> Tom Must Teach Will To Do Insane?
[04:00] <hydrogen> Theres more than one way to do it!
[04:00] <uga> kloplop: unless you really need oggs, I'd suggest keeping the mp3
[04:00] <uga> s
[04:00] <intelikey> just use audacity  :)
[04:00] <hydrogen> we can all agree thats the silliest way to do it :)
[04:00] <maltaethiron> Hey, who can help me install wine?
[04:00] <kloplop> I really don't care about it, I just want to have it play on the login screen :D
[04:01] <hydrogen> heh, all this for one file?
[04:01] <intelikey> uga unless you really like propritary, i'd sujest using only ogg vorbis
[04:01] <hydrogen> if you have mp3 already
[04:01] <uga> intelikey: he's got the mp3s already
[04:01] <kloplop> well, brb, I am going to test this
[04:01] <hydrogen> then switching to ogg is kind of silly :)
[04:01] <intelikey> uga it's one mp3 in question.
[04:01] <hydrogen> unless you suddenly married RMS's sister
[04:01] <maltaethiron> can somebody please help me install wine??
[04:02] <intelikey> maltaethiron   sudo apt-get install wine
[04:02] <intelikey> maltaethiron or is that 64 bit ?
[04:02] <Dr_willis> Same as ya install anything else basicially. :)
[04:02] <maltaethiron> intelikey : yes, and i havent got wine in my repos
[04:02] <uga> intelikey: he may need to enable universe or multiverse
[04:03] <uga> maltaethiron: there's no wine for 64bit
[04:03] <maltaethiron> damn
[04:03] <maltaethiron> well thanks
[04:03] <maltaethiron> hmm...well is there some way i can get Steam to work on 64 bit?
[04:03] <uga> 32bit chrooting might help
[04:04] <hydrogen> doesn't *buntu support multilib installs?
[04:04] <Dr_willis> might want to ask 'why do i need 64bit'
[04:04] <hydrogen> !multilib
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multilib - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <hydrogen> heh
[04:04] <hydrogen> worth a try :)
[04:04] <toxop1asma> hey guys, a quick noob question: what's the command to read /etc/fstab and remount everything?
[04:04] <Dr_willis> mount -a
[04:04] <toxop1asma> thanks
[04:04] <maltaethiron> uga : what would 32bit chrooting be?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> that will not remount everyting
[04:05] <hydrogen> ah, nope
[04:05] <Dr_willis> it will 'auto mount' whats set to auto mount
[04:05] <kloplop> the music didn't play
[04:05] <uga> Dr_willis: 4GB or userspace ram? :P
[04:05] <Dr_willis> theres no 'remount everyting' command that i am aware of.
[04:05] <hydrogen> maltaethiron: you may want to see http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-08d4087d863019523214064680fcf26721c9a1af
[04:07] <kloplop> apparently LAME doesn't encode it to Ogg Vorbis
[04:07] <hydrogen> no
[04:07] <hydrogen> it encodes to mp3
[04:07] <Arv3n> Hi.
[04:08] <hydrogen> you need to use oggenc
[04:08] <Arv3n> How do I get Konversation to autoidentify me?
[04:08] <diskonnected3> hey room...can somebody tell me where i can find the linux-source-2.6.20-15-generic for the 7.04 Kubuntu distro?? i need the kernel source to compile the nvidia drivers
[04:08] <kloplop> it wouldn't let me
[04:08] <hydrogen> lame -d file && oggenc file
[04:08] <abominius> where i can find out if my radeon x1550 is supported by radeon open drivers?
[04:08] <hydrogen> you could probably shorten that file
[04:08] <hydrogen> but I don't want to think
[04:08] <orin> My Logitech USB microphone registers with the system and then suddenly loses power. Here's a sample log of what happens (from dmesg | tail -f): http://phpfi.com/264499
[04:08] <Arv3n> How do I get Konversation to autoidentify me?
[04:08] <diskonnected> 4hey room...can somebody tell me where i can find the linux-source-2.6.20-15-generic for the 7.04 Kubuntu distro?? i need the kernel source to compile the nvidia drivers
[04:08] <orin> lsusb only shows my keyboard and my mouse.
[04:08] <hydrogen> diskonnected3: why can't you just install the nvidia drivers from adept?
[04:08] <diskonnected> they didnt work
[04:09] <diskonnected> they screwed the xconfig up
[04:09] <hydrogen> thats nice and descriptive
[04:09] <Arv3n> Is it possible for me to get Konversation to autoidentify me?
[04:09] <Dr_willis> gee.. an 8800 video card?
[04:09] <hydrogen> how did they screw it up?
[04:09] <diskonnected> so i reverted to the backup and then it worked
[04:09] <orin> diskonnected: I had to edit my xorg.conf for my 8300 GS because not everything worked out of the box.
[04:09] <diskonnected> when i restarted x i got no picture and a x11 server crash
[04:09] <kloplop> there its converted using mp32ogg
[04:09] <hydrogen> did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:09] <Dr_willis> diskonnected,  and what is your video card?
[04:09] <trpr> Arv3n: under the identity i created to use with the server, i set the service to "nickserv" and put my password into the password box
[04:09] <abominius> where i can find out if my radeon x1550 is supported by radeon open drivers?
[04:09] <hydrogen> without the ? obviously
[04:09] <diskonnected> no i did not
[04:09] <diskonnected> its a generic nvidia geforce fx 5200
[04:10] <baghyay> hi how to change language of keyboard
[04:10] <kloplop> ok it works, in the terminal, just a moment
[04:10] <diskonnected> ok
[04:10] <Dr_willis> the xorf.conf file should be virtually identical for most nvidia cards. the fx 5200 i think should work find with the nvidia drivers in the repos.
[04:10] <uga> Arv3n: File->ServerList->edit your irc server (freenode thing)->select the identity->edit...->AutoIdentify: service=NickServ, password, yours
[04:10] <Dr_willis> you may want to install/use the 'restricted-manager' tool to install them
[04:10] <Arv3n> TY guys.
[04:10] <Arv3n> I thought it was NickServ IDENTIFY
[04:10] <diskonnected> they installed fine but then when i restarted the x after doing sudo nvidia-glx-config enable it did nothing...
[04:10] <abominius> ...
[04:10] <hydrogen> a cool little trick you can use on freenode
[04:11] <abominius> !radeon
[04:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <hydrogen> is setting the server password to your nick's password
[04:11] <uga> Arv3n: no, konversation takes care of sending the command, you only need to tell it the service name (NickServ)
[04:11] <toxop1asma> Dr_willis: yeah, that's what i meant, but couldn't articulate on account of noobness. it worked, so thanks :)
[04:11] <hydrogen> and it will identify for you that way
[04:11] <Arv3n> OK, well.
[04:11] <Arv3n> Is this on Freenode?
[04:11] <hydrogen> yes
[04:11] <Arv3n> OK, I don't need to re-register then.
[04:11] <kloplop> where is that file that has the boot instructions where I would put it in? I forgot where it was
[04:11] <Arv3n> I keep seeing irc.ubuntu.com everywhere.
[04:11] <Arv3n> BRB.
[04:11] <Dracari> ok that was weird my xubuntu mac just nearly crashed
[04:11] <hydrogen> ubuntu.com is linked to freenode
[04:11] <diskonnected> thanks guys; im gonna go try that command u just told me and ill let ya'll know..thanks!
[04:12] <hydrogen> or it actually just points to irc.freenode.net
[04:12] <Dracari> but anyone know the sudo command for Adept Manger in terminal
[04:12] <Arv3n> hydrogen: IC.
[04:12] <Arv3n> It doesn't say I'm identified. -_-
[04:12] <diskonnected> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <yoshibot> Dracari: maybe kdesu adept_manager
[04:12] <baghyay> how to change  the keybord language plz i  want  write somthing  in arabic
[04:12] <diskonnected> right?
[04:12] <xluchox> how can I put a program out for a blacklist?
[04:13] <Dr_willis> xluchox,  Huh?
[04:13] <hydrogen> diskonnected: yes
[04:13] <xluchox> yeah
[04:13] <Arv3n> OK, I just had to restart Konversation. -_-
[04:13] <Arv3n> How is Gutsy going?
[04:13] <xluchox> I had to put a program in blacklist, but I think I need it now
[04:13] <Arv3n> I'm upgrading to it right now from Beta 3.
[04:13] <Arv3n> Or Tribe 3, sorry.
[04:13] <Dr_willis> Arv3n,  its working decently well.. but just the other day had 400mb of updates. :)
[04:14] <Arv3n> 400mb?
[04:14] <Arv3n> Are you sure?
[04:14] <uga> Arv3n: heh, good luck. I couldn't boot tribe 5 after upgrading from feisty ;)
[04:14] <Dr_willis> Arv3n,    like it matters. :)
[04:14] <Arv3n> Need to get 459MB of archives.
[04:14] <Dr_willis> I alsways do a clean reinstall anyway
[04:14] <Arv3n> I'm upgrading from Tribe 3. =/
[04:14] <Arv3n> Tribe 3 --> Tribe 5/Prebeta = 459MB of updates? o_o
[04:14] <Dr_willis> thats how it goes.
[04:15] <Dr_willis> brb
[04:15] <Arv3n> Pacman > apt-get.
[04:15] <Arv3n> Well.
[04:15] <hydrogen> I've never ran into an opinion (other than my own of course) that was correct
[04:15] <Arv3n> in matter of difficulty imo its
[04:15] <Dracari> and how can i configure xubuntu for smb ? i had kubuntu installed on this ppc mac and it was allready set but i dunn have anything set for samba
[04:15] <Arv3n> uh
[04:15] <Dracari> on this distro
[04:16] <Arv3n> gentoo/portage/ebuilds/whatever > deb > rpm > pacman binaries (o_o)
[04:16] <Arv3n> simply because every time i try and install gnome/kde/xfce on gentoo from a pure install.
[04:16] <Arv3n> I always get these builds errors and what not, just basically something thats unsolvable.
[04:16] <Arv3n> Like call stack error, and it always happens. =|
[04:17] <diskonnected3> hey people..how do i find out the hardware ID of my graphics card??im sorry to bug ya'll i havnt been using linux for a long time...im jus starting to get the hang of it again
[04:17] <kloplop> hey thanks guys for helping me put annoying music on boot :)
[04:17] <victoria_> lspci in terminal ?
[04:18] <diskonnected3> thanks
[04:18] <diskonnected3> i totally new that too lol..jus im slow:)
[04:18] <Arv3n> we all are. (not really)
[04:18] <victoria_> :)
[04:18] <Arv3n> im slow too.
[04:18] <diskonnected3> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[04:18] <Arv3n> but i cant speak for everyone. =X
[04:18] <diskonnected3> does that sound right?
[04:18] <kloplop> I got the same graphics card
[04:18] <victoria_> that looks like it
[04:18] <diskonnected3> u do?
[04:18] <kloplop> yes
[04:18] <diskonnected3> ok
[04:19] <Arv3n> fx 5200..
[04:19] <kloplop> is there something I can help with on that?
[04:19] <Arv3n> ew, those were old and crappy even when the 5XXX series were good. >.>
[04:19] <diskonnected3> so in the configure xserver-xorg i would put PCI:01:00.0 ?
[04:19] <diskonnected3> right now its got PCI:1:0:0
[04:20] <ardchoille> diskonnected3: I use nvidia drivers and have never changed the default setting for that
[04:20] <kloplop> well, cya
[04:20] <victoria_> i have the nvidia GeForce4 420 Go and I can't run compiz on it :(
[04:20] <diskonnected3> ok..so leave it then? cuz when i got the last xorg crash b4 it was saying there was no card at the hardware id it had listed in the config file...
[04:20] <victoria_> i've tried eNvy and everything, but I always end up with the white screen of death
[04:20] <Arv3n> white screen of death, lole.
[04:21] <maltaethiron> ok, listen up and listen good: i have the wine stuff downloaded and untared on my desktop.  a website is telling me to compile it using "./configure", followed by "make", and then "make install"...anyone able to help me on this??
[04:21] <ardchoille> diskonnected3: Oh, in that case I don't know.
[04:21] <Arv3n> uh.
[04:21] <Arv3n> you dont compile it frmo source.
[04:21] <Arv3n> you open adept and search for wine ad install it.
[04:21] <maltaethiron> ...
[04:21] <maltaethiron> listen
[04:21] <maltaethiron> ok
[04:21] <maltaethiron> well
[04:21] <Arv3n> thats SERIOUSLY not recommended.
[04:21] <maltaethiron> i got 64 bit
[04:21] <Arv3n> compiling from source = bad, bad bad bad.
[04:21] <diskonnected3> well lspci is saying its 01:00.0 and the cofigure program is asking if its PCI:1:0:0...so what would you guys/girls suggest?
[04:21] <ardchoille> maltaethiron: install it from the repos
[04:21] <maltaethiron> it's not in the repos
[04:21] <Arv3n> i cant help with 64-bit, sorry.
[04:21] <ardchoille> !wine | maltaethiron
[04:21] <ubotu> maltaethiron: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Im not sure that wine CAN run in 64bit
[04:22] <Dr_willis> or it would be in the repos.
[04:22] <maltaethiron> can anyone just give me a better list of repos
[04:22] <Arv3n> why not just use the 32 bit version? -_-
[04:22] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[04:22] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:22] <Arv3n> are you really experiencing that much of a speed increase with the 64 bit version?
[04:22] <maltaethiron> thats it, source o matic, thanks
[04:22] <Dr_willis> You would need to use the 32bit chroot stuff. i belive
[04:22] <Dr_willis> !chroot
[04:22] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[04:23] <Dr_willis> unless you got 4gb+ of memory - you proberly are not gaining mucgh by using 64bit disrto anyway
[04:23] <diskonnected3> ardchoille > any suggestions?
[04:23] <Arv3n> srsly.
[04:23] <Arv3n> and if you have 4gigs of memory
[04:23] <Arv3n> well.. i dont think it would matter and i would still use the 32 bit version.
[04:24] <Arv3n> since 64-bit is horrible. =X
[04:24] <Dracari> i'm not using 32bit or 64bit or x86 ubuntu :P
[04:24] <Arv3n> PPC?
[04:24] <Arv3n> i dont think ppc is supported anymore, is it?
[04:25] <Arv3n> so thats even worse than 64 bit. =P
[04:25] <Dracari> fiest fawn 7.04
[04:25] <Dracari> *fiesty
[04:25] <Arv3n> feisty* o_o
[04:25] <Arv3n> isnt it feisty
[04:25] <Arv3n> yeah its feisty.
[04:25] <Dracari> so my spelling sucks @ times
[04:26] <Arv3n> its ok.
[04:26] <vamp898> how does Totem Plays DVDs with Mens?
[04:26] <william__> can i get a little temperture widget and forcequit thing like in gnome for kubuntu?
[04:27] <victoria_> does anyone here know if ubuntu can play VCDs now? I can play DVDs with no problem but VCDs just won't play :(
[04:28] <dave4272> Apple quicktime trailers, how to view in Firefox?
[04:28] <Arv3n> mplayer? maybe?
[04:28] <dave4272> mplayer within firefox?
[04:28] <Arv3n> yeah.
[04:28] <Arv3n> the plugin, try that.
[04:29] <Arv3n> not sure.
[04:29] <Arv3n> maybe realplayer.
[04:29] <shockdiode> hmm, i play vcds no probem in kubuntu with xine, I can't remember if I had to install any plugins for xine to do that or not
[04:29] <Arv3n> what is xine?
[04:29] <Arv3n> isnt that the backend for videos or something?
[04:29] <shockdiode> video player
[04:29] <shockdiode> yeah
[04:29] <victoria_> there's a multi-platform embedded player downloadable for firefox -- if you see the puzzlepiece on the browser screen that says plugin required, you can just click that and it will tell you what you need
[04:29] <dave4272> you're not understanding me. when i go to apple.com/trailers and try to watch a trailer, nothing happens
[04:29] <Arv3n> hold.
[04:30] <Arv3n> i think you might need flash.
[04:30] <Arv3n> on gutsy, it loads fine.
[04:30] <Dracari> thatsbig downall to mei can use flash
[04:30] <Dracari> *cant
[04:31] <Arv3n> gutsy tribe 3, i havent even installed anything, im just done a fresh install and now upgrading to tribe 5.
[04:31] <Dracari> Adobe flash no longer has a ppc vers
[04:31] <Arv3n> well.
[04:31] <Arv3n> i dont know what to say then.
[04:31] <dave4272> i don't need flash. Apple's trailers all use h.264 codecs.
[04:31] <Arv3n> well.
[04:31] <Arv3n> whatever it is, it works perfectly fine with kubuntu. o_o
[04:31] <Arv3n> gutsy
[04:31] <Arv3n> ok, nevermind. it just shows a grey screen after loading.
[04:31] <dave4272> what browser are you using, firefox?
[04:32] <Arv3n> im using konqueror.
[04:32] <Arv3n> and no, sorry, nevermind, its not done loading yet.
[04:32] <Arv3n> i know.
[04:32] <Arv3n> i hate konqueror. *kry*
[04:32] <dave4272> i think what i need is a h.264 plugin for firefox/ubuntu
[04:32] <Arv3n> well, try doing whatever you think is best, then.
[04:33] <Arv3n> honestly, i would think either flash or mplayer plugin.
[04:33] <shockdiode> mozilla-mplayer
[04:33] <victoria_> http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thedarkknight/trailer1/  <<-when i load this up it says NO Video
[04:33] <victoria_> :(
[04:33] <dave4272> firefox already has flash built in. Apple trailers have nothing to do with flash, this is not youtube
[04:33] <william__> how do i force close a window in kde?
[04:34] <Arv3n> just click x
[04:34] <william__> and if that doesnt work
[04:34] <Arv3n> and thhen a window should pop up saying to kill the program
[04:34] <vamp898> STRG + ALT + ESC
[04:34] <vamp898> than klick the window
[04:34] <Arv3n> or type killall <program name>
[04:34] <daSkreech> dave4272: Firefox does not have Flash built in
[04:35] <Arv3n> do we have any ops in here?
[04:35] <Arv3n> because it says we have none.
[04:35] <Arv3n> if we dont have any ops, then thats really risky. o_o
[04:35] <dave4272> so you're saying firefox does not do flash? how come flash sites load and so forth
[04:35] <william__> ~$ sudo killall vlc
[04:35] <william__> Password:
[04:35] <william__> vlc: no process killed
[04:35] <Arv3n> you have to install flash first.
[04:35] <Arv3n> therefore it is not built in.
[04:35] <Arv3n> built-in means that its already installed with the program.
[04:35] <dave4272> whatever, you're digressing
[04:36] <vamp898> william: try STRG + ESC and search the prozecc
[04:36] <Arv3n> not even sure what digressing means.
[04:36] <vamp898> or STRG + ALT + ESC and klick the window
[04:36] <daSkreech> Arv3n: Lets say if they are needed they are here
[04:36] <dave4272> it's in a dictionary
[04:36] <william__> what is strg
[04:36] <vamp898> CTRL
[04:36] <vamp898> sry
[04:36] <vamp898> ^^
[04:36] <william__> oh right
[04:37] <vamp898> German keyboard^^
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> that worked thanks
[04:37] <Arv3n> k, i dont feel like reading in a dictionary for a word i'll never use. =/
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> im william _
[04:37] <vamp898> kk
[04:37] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: that's a program called Xkill it destroys any X window
[04:37] <shockdiode> victoria: using the mozilla-mplayer package makes that link work fine for me
[04:37] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: Please don't click on your desktop
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> can i sudo apt get xkill?
[04:38] <Arv3n> sudo apt-get install xkill
[04:38] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: It's there already
[04:38] <nonewmsgs> is xkill in the kmenu or is it a terminal command
[04:38] <aftermath> how do I see a list of my hardware?
[04:39] <newsense07> nonewmsgs: can add it to the kmenu if ya want
[04:39] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: Funny enough it's a terminal command
[04:39] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: alt+ctrl+Esc is a short cut to it
[04:39] <daSkreech> aftermath: lshw
[04:39] <victoria_> shockdiode: many thanks
[04:39] <shockdiode> sure thing
[04:39] <vamp898> ctrl + esc is nice too
[04:39] <nonewmsgs> excellant.  one other question.  what is the difference between konsole, terminal, and terminal emulator
[04:39] <Arv3n> ?
[04:40] <Arv3n> konsole = kde terminal
[04:40] <vamp898> terminal = gnome terminal
[04:40] <Arv3n> actually.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> xkill is an old skool terminal commandused to kill x apps wth a mouse click
[04:40] <Arv3n> might he mean pressing CTRL + ALT + F1 = terminal?
[04:40] <Arv3n> or is that a console.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f1 = console #1
[04:40] <daSkreech> vamp898: Oh yeah but that's less gratifying
[04:40] <Arv3n> right right.
[04:40] <newsense07> vamp898: never knew cntrl+esc shortcut to process list, nice
[04:40] <Arv3n> wooow.
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> i see them in my k menu but i have xfce, gnome and kde (k is my newest try and im loving it)
[04:41] <Arv3n> ctrl + esc cool loel
[04:41] <Arv3n> you should just install kubuntu for less bloat. =/
[04:41] <aftermath> no more trying random key combinations i see in irc
[04:41] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: try alt+space
[04:41] <aftermath> what was the command again?
[04:41] <aftermath> to see a list of hardware?
[04:41] <nonewmsgs> katapult?
[04:41] <daSkreech> aftermath: lshw
[04:41] <daSkreech> nonewmsgs: Yeah do that and type the name of a program like amarok
[04:41] <Arv3n> lspci?
[04:42] <kloplop> what or where is the file that is runned when logging in?
[04:42] <Arv3n> ?
[04:42] <Arv3n> hold
[04:42] <Arv3n> cd /usr/share/autostart
[04:43] <daSkreech> !autostart
[04:43] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:43] <Arv3n> if thats what you mean.
[04:43] <kloplop> as in like a bash script that runs after a sucsessfull login
[04:43] <Arv3n> oh.
[04:43] <daSkreech> kloplop: there are a large number of files
[04:43] <Arv3n> uh, i think you should copy that to /usr/share/autostart or ~.kde/Autostart
[04:43] <kloplop> well obvoiusly
[04:43] <daSkreech> You may be looking for ~/.bash_profile
[04:43] <Arv3n> i dont understand.
[04:43] <Arv3n> whats he asking?
[04:44] <Arv3n> well guys.
[04:44] <Arv3n> it looks like kubuntu is quickly catching up with ubuntu. =)
[04:44] <kloplop> I think that the kcontrol-autostart might help just a sec let me check it out
[04:44] <Arv3n> looking much more polished lately.
[04:44] <newsense07> Arv3n: i started with ubuntu but hate gnome so i converted
[04:44] <Arv3n> dont get me started on gnome. =/
[04:45] <Arv3n> they REALLY aren't going anywhere.
[04:45] <aftermath> thanks, daSkreech
[04:45] <newsense07> Arv3n: even ordered a kubuntu cd to replace the ubuntu stickers i got
[04:45] <Arv3n> lol.
[04:45] <Arv3n> whats hte difference between the dvd and cd?
[04:45] <Arv3n> because i see a dvd version, but it doesnt look different than the cd version.
[04:45] <newsense07> i got no dvd-rom so i have no idea
[04:45] <Arv3n> shmeh.
[04:45] <daSkreech> Arv3n: it has all of main on it
[04:46] <Arv3n> all of main? as in the repo?
[04:46] <daSkreech> fol bun
[04:46] <daSkreech> Yes
[04:46] <Arv3n> interseting.
[04:46] <Arv3n> isnt main huge, though?
[04:46] <Arv3n> i thought the dvd was only like 1 gig.
[04:47] <Arv3n> ok, that answers my question, good for like offline or slow connection ppls.
[04:48] <daSkreech> 4 Gb
[04:48] <kloplop> is there a way for me to use the workgroup network in my house like in windows, Ex: printing and file sharing?
[04:48] <daSkreech> Yeah
[04:48] <stdin> ~4.4GB
[04:48] <daSkreech> strange that the larger download is better for sloe connections
[04:48] <stdin> Arv3n: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/feisty/release/kubuntu-7.04-dvd-i386.list < DVD file list
[04:49] <Biovore> !samba
[04:49] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:49] <Arv3n> nooonono.
[04:49] <Arv3n> you buy the dvd. =P
[04:49] <Arv3n> not download it. -_-
[04:49] <stdin> Arv3n: that's just the file list, not the iso...
[04:49] <Arv3n> i was talking to daskreech
[04:49] <Arv3n> -_-
[04:50] <Arv3n> why arent there any apps in here?
[04:50] <Arv3n> *ops
[04:50] <Arv3n> lol
[04:50] <daSkreech> In.... IRC ?
[04:50] <Arv3n> yeah.
[04:50] <Biovore> there are.. they just become ops unless they need to do an admin thing..
[04:50] <Arv3n> it says 0 ops
[04:50] <daSkreech> Oh ops
[04:50] <Arv3n> oh.
[04:50] <stdin> they are hiding ;)
[04:50] <Biovore> hehe
[04:50] <Arv3n> niiice.
[04:50] <daSkreech> If needed they are there
[04:50] <daSkreech> tame bug
[04:51] <Arv3n> so like if i screamed a random word.
[04:51] <Arv3n> like something.. bad.
[04:51] <daSkreech> then I'd have to smack you
[04:51] <Arv3n> nou
[04:51] <stdin> you can scream all you want, just don't type it in :)
[04:51] <Arv3n> lol.
[04:51] <Arv3n> then id be in even bigger trouble.
[04:51] <Arv3n> if i just started screaming penis, my dad would be like wtf.
[04:52] <Arv3n> it'd be a weird moment
[04:52] <daSkreech> Good bonding
[04:52] <Biovore> lol
[04:54] <soulrider> hello
[04:54] <soulrider> anyone here running kde4 ?
[04:55] <Arv3n> good bonding?
[04:55] <Arv3n> are you kidding me?
[04:55] <Arv3n> hed probably be like "are you alright, son?"
[04:55] <Arv3n> actually, hes taking some medicine.
[04:55] <Arv3n> so i could say he was hallucinating. LOL
[04:56] <Dasnipa`_> pfft
[04:56] <Arv3n> lmfao.
[04:56] <Arv3n> this guy was on the fence
[04:56] <Arv3n> trying to rob a home and he got stuck.
[04:56] <Arv3n> and he was there for 45 mins
[04:57] <Arv3n> holding himself up with his strength
[04:57] <stdin> !ot | Arv3n
[04:57] <ubotu> Arv3n: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:57] <Arv3n> i didnt know kubuntu had an offtopic channel. =X
[04:57] <Arv3n> i thought that was a sabayon linux thing.
[04:57] <Dasnipa`_> Arv3n: TWSS
[04:57] <Arv3n> twss = ?
[04:57] <Dasnipa`_> Arv3n> holding himself up with his strength: TWSS, thats what she said
[04:57] <Arv3n> ??
[04:58] <Arv3n> good lord no.
[04:58] <Arv3n> !google test
[04:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google test - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <Arv3n> cool. =D
[04:58] <Arv3n> that could come in handy.
[04:59] <Arv3n> this irc channel is much smaller than ubuntu.
[04:59] <daSkreech> !factoids
[04:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:59] <Arv3n> finally, done downloading 459MB of updates.
[04:59] <Arv3n> at 160kb/s. =X
[04:59] <daSkreech> Time to upgrade to Gutsy :-)
[05:00] <Arv3n> you? or me?
[05:00] <daSkreech> then 4 weeks later upgrade to hardy :)
[05:00] <daSkreech> You :)
[05:00] <Arv3n> hardy.
[05:00] <Arv3n> idno about that.
[05:00] <daSkreech> !hardy
[05:00] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[05:00] <Arv3n> noo.
[05:00] <Arv3n> i dont know if im going to upgrade to hardy so soon.
[05:00] <Dasnipa`_> daSkreech: the hardly boys
[05:00] <aftermath> how do I write to a mounted ntfs?
[05:00] <Arv3n> ntfs-3g?
[05:02] <ardchoille> !ntfs
[05:02] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:02] <aftermath> !ntfs-3g
[05:02] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:05] <orin> How do I select a USB microphone as the microphone input device for the system?
[05:10] <daSkreech> orin: ahh right USB
[05:11] <orin> The system detects my AK5370 properly.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> one of those neat gizmos that can cuase so many problems. :)
[05:12] <orin> It worked on an older Gentoo system of mine.
[05:22] <Tann> I have set Kubuntu to mount a partition on boot, but now it is trying to boot off that partition. How do I make it not boot from that partition?
[05:23] <daSkreech> Tann: from your menu.lst file
[05:24] <Tann> daSkreech: How do I get to it if Linux isn't booted yet? Use a live CD?
[05:25] <khaije> i'm having issues getting my new bluetooth stereo headset to work, doesn't seem to want to pair
[05:25] <khaije> any info about this?
[05:25] <ardchoille> Tann: You can use a live cd, boot the proper partition and then edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[05:25] <daSkreech> !bluetooth
[05:25] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:26] <daSkreech> ardchoille: technically he can jsut edit the grub menu directly
[05:26] <khaije> daSkreech: i think i'm already past that tut
[05:26] <daSkreech> assuming that Tann is a he
[05:26] <ardchoille> daSkreech: True, but I never learned how to do that
[05:26] <mmmiiikkkeee> what is the difference between the generic kernel and the 386 one???
[05:26] <klobster> please no one recommend envy to anyone.  I have spent the last week solving the problems it caused.
[05:27] <khaije> klobster: whats wrong w/ it?
[05:27] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: 386 is optimised for the i386 cpu, generic will optimise itself to your cpu
[05:28] <Tann> daSkreech: Thanks
[05:29] <nonewmsgs> the weird thing is 386 is way too slow for ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:29] <stdin> it's not too old or slow, just not as fast as newer ones. I know people who run KDE on 600MHz CPUs just fine
[05:30] <klobster> khaije: long story short, I used it to uninstall my nvidia driver, and it borked something, and it's taken me a week to clean up the mess.  I imagine if envy is the first and only place they go, they will be fine, but I am sure that most people (like me) have other tweaks going on that they won't remember about.  And then they are hosed.
[05:30] <nonewmsgs> i mean an i386 which had speeds from 16mhz-~50Mhz
[05:30] <mmmiiikkkeee> if i have a Pentium 3 i should still use the generic?
[05:30] <kloplop> is there any way I can run dos games on here
[05:30] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: generic is for everyone
[05:30] <nonewmsgs> yes pentium 3 uses generic
[05:31] <stdin> nonewmsgs: some servers would use 386 still
[05:31] <khaije> klobster: envy is foss nvidia gfx accell right? sounds like it's the install script rather than the whole project, no?
[05:31] <daSkreech> !dosbox
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <daSkreech> !info dosbox
[05:31] <ubotu> dosbox: A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65-1 (feisty), package size 506 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[05:31] <stdin> nonewmsgs: tho there is a -server kernel
[05:31] <beans> kloplop: try dosbox
[05:32] <klobster> khaije: yeah pretty much, but it's lookin like it wants to follow suit with automatix
[05:32] <klobster> !automatix
[05:32] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:32] <nonewmsgs> interesting stdin
[05:33] <daSkreech> !easyubuntu
[05:33] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[05:33] <stdin> !envy
[05:33] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:33] <nonewmsgs> envy is dangerous? i hadn't heard that before
[05:35] <stdin> it can be, yes
[05:35] <klobster> thanks ubotu, someone in here recommended envy to me, and where where you then?
[05:35] <stdin> !bot
[05:35] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:36] <gustavo> whats the best way to secure a web server?
[05:36] <klobster> stdin: I know, I was trying to be funny
[05:36] <stdin> gustavo: by not allowing access to it :p
[05:36] <purpleposeidon> !lol
[05:36] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[05:36] <daSkreech> gustavo: thoroughly
[05:37] <stdin> gustavo: keep up to date and use a firewall too
[05:37] <gustavo> besides that 'option'
[05:37] <gustavo> stdin: i mean, chroot it, and something else?
[05:37] <mmmiiikkkeee> i never understood the point of envy... it seems like its trys to do what should be done with respotories/apt-get....why do people waist time makeing this envy script and not just package the stuff in the respotiries(or make there own respotory?)??....ps i have never used envy though..
[05:37] <stdin> gustavo: chroot is good, don't load any "modules" you don't need also
[05:37] <purpleposeidon> gustavo: make sure all of your cgi programs are safe
[05:39] <khaije1> mmmiiikkkeee: seems like a no-brainer doesn't it? i can only assume this will change if ther project has value and is sincere
[05:40] <Mexflubber> Hey how can I install x-chat in kubuntu ?
[05:40] <stdin> by just installing it
[05:40] <stdin> with Adept/apt
[05:40] <Mexflubber> how do I do that ?
[05:40] <Mexflubber> what do I type in Konsole?
[05:41] <gustavo> thanks ppl...
[05:41] <stdin> sudo apt-get install xchat
[05:41] <ubunturos> sudo apt-get install x-chat-gnome
[05:41] <ubunturos> correction xchat-gnome*
[05:42] <Mexflubber> does it run in Kubuntu ?
[05:42] <stdin> sure
[05:42] <ubunturos> Mexflubber: it might require a few GNOME libraries
[05:42] <ubunturos> Mexflubber: apt-get should take care of that though
[05:43] <stdin> all gnome/gtk apps run in kubuntu and all kde/Qt apps run in Ubuntu
[05:44] <ubunturos> Mexflubber: you could actually install the GNOME desktop as well (variety) ;)
[05:44] <Mexflubber> LOL xD
[05:44] <Mexflubber> ty I'm helping a friend by phone btw ... lol
[05:44] <stdin> not to mention xfce, fluxbox or any other DE
[05:45] <daSkreech> And E apps?
[05:45] <ubunturos> daSkreech: you mean, for the enlightment wm?
[05:45] <daSkreech> yup
[05:46] <daSkreech> no love for that? :)
[05:46] <ubunturos> heh
[05:46] <Mexflubber> Why when I'm compilling a C programm it tells me It can't found the libraries ? also syntax is Ok !
[05:46] <nonewmsgs> there's something to apt-get
[05:46] <stdin> Mexflubber: have you installed the librarys -dev packages and build-essential ?
[05:47] <nonewmsgs> build essentials thats what i was tihnking of
[05:47] <Mexflubber> stdin : don't know .. how do I check that ?
[05:47] <mmmiiikkkeee> my computer has to use an older kernel, but 2.6.17 is not available in fiesty resptory... i added dapper's resptories to my sources.list... it worked but is there a more prefered way to install older packages?
[05:47] <daSkreech> !b-e
[05:47] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:47] <nonewmsgs> !botsnack
[05:47] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:47] <daSkreech> mmmiiikkkeee: has ot?
[05:47] <stdin> Mexflubber: "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to grab all the standard C/C++ devel packages
[05:47] <mmmiiikkkeee> what is ot?
[05:48] <daSkreech> has to?
[05:48] <purpleposeidon> When I'm compiling something, I run ./configure; and then do apt-cache search on whatever dependencies it's missing, then install it and the -dev version
[05:48] <Mexflubber> when doing apt-get install xchat it tells me to check the "universe" component is installed
[05:48] <Mexflubber> why ?
[05:49] <mmmiiikkkeee> any kernel newer panics
[05:49] <stdin> Mexflubber: probably because you don't have the universe repository enabled
[05:49] <stdin> !repos | Mexflubber
[05:49] <ubotu> Mexflubber: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:49] <mmmiiikkkeee> or just gives a lot of errors
[05:50] <brianbaetz> hello
[05:50] <brianbaetz> helo
[05:51] <mmmiiikkkeee> *any of the newer kernels panic; or give errors about lvm or about my cdromdrive
[05:51] <klobster> he could have said hello to himself anywhere.  I for one, am grateful he did it here.
[05:51] <newphaze> hi
[05:52] <newphaze> how do I take a screeny ?
[05:52] <purpleposeidon> newphaze: Prt Sc. :P
[05:52] <newphaze> why doesn't Kubuntu have a screenshot available of th...
[05:52] <newphaze> purpleposeidon: k thanks
[05:52] <newphaze> purpleposeidon: and then?
[05:53] <klobster> newphaze: did you hit the printscreen key?
[05:53] <purpleposeidon> well, it's supposed to run ksnapshot anyways
[05:53] <newphaze> klobster: ah I see an app bouncing
[05:53] <Arv3n> Hai!
[05:53] <Arv3n> How do I get the Plasma theme/Oxygen icons and what not?
[05:53] <newphaze> awsome!! better than m$$hit
[05:54] <purpleposeidon> Hey! We don't like it when you bash Microsoft in this channel! >:O
[05:54] <ardchoille> purpleposeidon: Then you might be in the wrong channel
[05:54] <purpleposeidon> ....but seriously, I think that's the first time I've typed m$ out in.....several years
[05:54] <Arv3n> pretty sure that was a joke.
[05:55] <Arv3n> saying microshit and microshaft is just stupid.
[05:55] <ardchoille> <-- old man, doesn't get many jokes :(
[05:55] <Arv3n> people that feel like typing that can rot in hell.
[05:55] <Arv3n> how do i get the oxygen icons and the kde4 theme and what not?
[05:55] <ardchoille> I got that one, tho
[05:55] <stdin> !language | just a reminder
[05:55] <ubotu> just a reminder: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:56] <Arv3n> i had a script that worked.
[05:56] <Arv3n> but i think they changed the svn location or something.
[05:56] <Arv3n> and onw it says the svn is invalid.. like the location cant be found.
[05:56] <newphaze> ardchoille: ROFL!! thanks for standing up to nonsense. I REALLY do not understand that politically m$$$ correctness/respect attitude
[05:56] <stdin> Arv3n: look on kde-look.org
[05:56] <Arv3n> there is only a script. =/
[05:56] <ardchoille> Arv3n: Go to http://www.kde-look.org and do a search for oxygen, there's tons of stuff
[05:57] <klobster> purpleposeidon: I believe tat thanks was for you...
[05:57] <Arv3n> svn: URL 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen' doesn't exist
[05:58] <ardchoille> Arv3n: There are scripts at kde-look.org too
[05:58] <Arv3n> yeah, there isnt much.
[05:58] <Arv3n> and those were the ones i was using.
[05:58] <Arv3n> it doesnt work. =/
[05:58] <Arv3n> it gives me that the svn doesnt exist.
[05:59] <Arv3n> nevermind, got it. =O
[05:59] <Arv3n> yay now i must download 60 mb.
[05:59] <newphaze> ok is not working
[06:00] <newphaze>  I need to take a screeny of a pulled down menu of Firefox and when I press NEW Screenshot I can't press the button
[06:00] <newphaze> and I am trying this with the REGION option
[06:00] <ardchoille> newphaze: Set the delay and try again
[06:00] <newphaze> k
[06:00] <purpleposeidon> Have you considered trying it with the DELAY OPTION....
[06:01] <ardchoille> newphaze: delay + window under cursor?
[06:10] <newphaze> is not doing what I a want it do really
[06:13] <jagcorvair> I have the wireless card enabled on the laptop. I can manipulate the numbers. For some strange reason, it won't see the wireless router. Any clues?
[06:13] <cje> hi, I am dual-booting openSUSE and Kubuntu.  I'm kinda worried, though, because when I boot into kubuntu, my hard drive light stays illuminated continuously.  I'm not sure why.  Also, i do experience a wee bit of a lag on using Kino to play video.  This box has 4 GB of RAM, and an AMD dual-core 3800 chip, so it should have the horsepower to handle it.  Thanks in advance for any help.
[06:13] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: iwlist <tab> scan
[06:15] <newphaze> I've might discovered a bug on Ksnapshot
[06:15] <newphaze> "Section Window" works fine with Opera yet is horrible with firefox
[06:15] <newphaze> can someone file that as a bug?
[06:15] <daSkreech> Cause Opera is qt
[06:16] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: eth1 No scan results
[06:17] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: then It can'e see the AP
[06:17] <jagcorvair> I'm in the same room as the AP, daSkreech
[06:17] <newphaze> cmon!! why is so damn difficul takind aa screen of a menu??
[06:18] <newphaze> and with Region won't work 'cause won't open the menu
[06:18] <jagcorvair> Other wireless laptop can see it
[06:18] <daSkreech> newphaze: just use the app
[06:18] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Is the wireless on?
[06:18] <daSkreech> some have a kill switch
[06:18] <newphaze> and with window doesn't work either cause as soon as press new screenshot the drop down disappears
[06:18] <newphaze> daSkreech: I am
[06:19] <jagcorvair> Yes
[06:19] <jagcorvair> It is enabled
[06:20] <daSkreech> newphaze: what delay are you using?
[06:20] <newphaze> daSkreech: I've tried with 1,2 and 3 seconds
[06:20] <ardchoille> newphaze: Set the delay, press new screenshot, then drop the menu down and wait for the screenshot to be taken.
[06:21] <newphaze> astonishingly region does NOT give me delay option. How retarded is that?
[06:21] <newphaze> I do'
[06:21] <newphaze> I don't want a screenshot of the entire screen
[06:22] <newphaze> just a simple menu
[06:22] <newphaze> is that THAT hard?
[06:22] <ardchoille> newphaze: Scetion of window?
[06:22] <ardchoille> Barring that, take a whole screenshot then edit in the gimp
[06:22] <ananth123> why dont u crop it later ?
[06:23] <maigke> exit
[06:23] <maigke> quit
[06:23] <newphaze> OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:23] <newphaze> why should I do an EXTRA step?
[06:24] <newphaze> it's not working
[06:24] <ardchoille> newphaze: because you are smarter than the ksnapshot developer?
[06:24] <newphaze> that option is there for something and it's NOT working
[06:24] <ananth123> cuz the developers cant foreseen the whims of *all* the users ?
[06:24] <ananth123> then file a bug report :)
[06:24] <ardchoille> I like ananth123's reply better
[06:25] <daSkreech> Actually I can't take a screenshot of a menu either
[06:25] <ardchoille> ananth123: I think if all devs foresaw the whims of all users, every app would fill a hd
[06:25] <daSkreech> ardchoille: rm ?
[06:25] <purpleposeidon> *EMACS* COUGH COUGH
[06:26] <newphaze> you see I am not the only one
[06:26] <daSkreech> Hmm no wait I can
[06:26] <newphaze> by the way that's not a helpful commentary
[06:26] <ananth123> well, i just tried it out with the delay option
[06:26] <daSkreech> Yeah me too
[06:26] <ananth123> and i could take a screenshot WITH the menu
[06:26] <daSkreech> I got one of just the menu
[06:26] <ardchoille> "Window under cursor" works here
[06:26] <newphaze> it should be, "Why doesn't the developer fix and offer a workable app"?
[06:27] <newphaze> is Kubuntu  supposed to be a GOOD linux distro "out of the box"?
[06:27] <ardchoille> newphaze:  http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7586/preview1ua1.png
[06:28] <newphaze> ardchoille: this is specificcally with Firefox
[06:29] <ardchoille> newphaze: You really can't judge an entire distro by the features of a single app
[06:29] <newphaze> Ksnapshot is broken with Firefox, period. Shouldn't be availabe for Fiesty
[06:29] <pillowpants> is it safe to remove kubuntu-desktop package?
[06:29] <ardchoille> newphaze: You're mixing kde apps and a non-kde app, not the dev's fault.
[06:29] <stdin> newphaze: no it's not, works fine
[06:29] <ardchoille> pillowpants: yes, it's just a met-package
[06:29] <pillowpants> oh, ok
[06:30] <pillowpants> i was removing kopete
[06:30] <stdin> newphaze: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9341/test1zd9.jpg < works
[06:30] <newphaze> for instance, why can't I set DELAY with region? That's the MOST obvious in order to be able to have time to drop down the menu and then select that. Yet when  you select region delay is grayed out. Clap, clap, clap... Someone out there got real brains
[06:31] <BigDaddy> howdy again fols
[06:31] <BigDaddy> folks
[06:31] <ardchoille> newphaze: You're mixing kde apps and a non-kde app, not the dev's fault.
[06:31] <newphaze> stdin: o.O how did you it?
[06:31] <newphaze> that's exactly what I am tryinna do :-(
[06:31] <stdin> newphaze: with the window under cursor option
[06:31] <ardchoille> stdin: I tried to tell him that
[06:32] <daSkreech> Yeah that's how I did it as well
[06:32] <stdin> ardchoille: I know
[06:33] <newphaze> ahh thanks GOD for stdin !!!
[06:33] <daSkreech> newphaze: and the ksnapshot developer?
[06:33] <newphaze> you've solve the problem with Firefox!! Should tell the dev also
[06:33] <ardchoille> lol
[06:33] <deichgraf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3umKwji6ncw
[06:34] <ananth123> newphaze: the region has no delay because you are supposed to select the region *outside* the ksnapshot window... if you click outside you will see a red box to select the region
[06:34] <ananth123> its not a bug, its a feature :)
[06:34] <BigDaddy> hey, anyone here an Opera browser user?
[06:35] <cje> BigDaddy, I use it occasionally, what's up?
[06:35] <BigDaddy> I am just curious why it isn't in the repositories thats all
[06:35] <daSkreech> !opera
[06:35] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[06:35] <stdin> BigDaddy:  because that'd be illegal
[06:36] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: It is but not in the default repos
[06:36] <deichgraf> I'll never post again stupid links.
[06:36] <BigDaddy> illegal?
[06:36] <BigDaddy> It's freeware right?
[06:36] <ananth123> yes, its free
[06:36] <stdin> BigDaddy: canonical don't have permission to redistrobute opera (it's license forbids 3rd party distribution)
[06:36] <ananth123> check www.opera.com
[06:36] <ardchoille> BigDaddy: Is the source freely available?
[06:36] <BigDaddy> aha...
[06:36] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: That doesn't mean anything if it's with beer
[06:36] <stdin> Opera is Closed Source
[06:36] <BigDaddy> well now, but I don't think that nvidia-settings is open source either is it?
[06:36] <Huey> why is it that on a newly formatted partition, linux says 198mb is used?
[06:37] <cute_bettong> hi i downloaded the kubuntu version for  AMD64 and installed it it booted fine and then when i updated it frezzes after saying something about kernal mapping v.v i had to his esc at boot to go into the previous version of the kernal can anyone help me to troubleshoot this issue? o .o
[06:37] <Huey> even though no files are in the partition
[06:37] <ardchoille> Huey: Some space is set aside for system use
[06:37] <stdin> Huey: a certain percentage is reserved for the super user and for the journal
[06:38] <Huey> ardchoille: since this is just a data partition, is there a way to override this?
[06:38] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: but the license allows limited redistribution
[06:38] <Huey> i thought i used tune2fs to get rid of the reserved space
[06:38] <stdin> allows root to login when the partition is "full" to free some space
[06:38] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: in any case you can apt-get it
[06:38] <BigDaddy> Gotcha daSkreech...
[06:38] <ardchoille> Huey: Not sure, never tried.
[06:38] <BigDaddy> apt-get Opera?
[06:38] <daSkreech> yes
[06:38] <stdin> Huey: some will still be used for the journal, or it wouldn't be ext3
[06:38] <ardchoille> stdin: Thank you, I never knew that about root login on a full part
[06:39] <BigDaddy> you lost me there. I thought that Synaptic and apt-get were the same thing only a GUI vs CLI
[06:39] <stdin> BigDaddy: they are
[06:39] <ardchoille> BigDaddy: synaptic uses APT as its back end
[06:39] <BigDaddy> then why can I apt-get Opera but not use Synaptic? Synaptic only use Canonical?
[06:41] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: you can use synaptic
[06:41] <newphaze> still Ksnapshot should have the possibility to take screenshots of menu trees
[06:41] <cute_bettong> anyone have any answer to my question?
[06:41] <cute_bettong> o.o
[06:41] <newphaze> you know what I mean?
[06:41] <BigDaddy> I must not have the correct repositories then.
[06:41] <stdin> BigDaddy: Opera is only in the "commercial" repository hosted on canonical   "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ feisty-commercial main"
[06:41] <daSkreech> newphaze: It can
[06:42] <newphaze> and region should have delay option as well
[06:42] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Still no luck with the wireless. What do you suggest?
[06:42] <stdin> newphaze: it does, I just showed you
[06:42] <newphaze> that's kinda unacceptable
[06:42] <daSkreech> cute_bettong: reinstal the kernel?
[06:42] <newphaze> stdin: I mean COMPLETE tree
[06:42] <BigDaddy> I am only in the comparison mode ATM. So far I am really likeing Konq. There are just a few quirks so far.
[06:42] <cute_bettong> O_o
[06:42] <newphaze> not just one section of the drop down menu
[06:42] <stdin> newphaze: then take a screen shot of the screen and crop it
[06:42] <wers> how do I make systray icons smaller?
[06:42] <snowdonkey> Hey.  I'm trying to compile a program that requires gnome-python, but I can't find it in Ubuntu repositories.  I've enabled all the repositories manually.  Can anyone else find package?
[06:43] <newphaze> for instance view>drop down men> toolbars
[06:43] <stdin> newphaze: don't like it? then ask the author to do something about it or change it yourself. complaining here will do nothing to change it
[06:44] <ardchoille> snowdonkey: You mean python-gtk ?
[06:44] <newphaze> otherwise how on earth do you know where the hell that particular drop down menu belongs to? View, File, Edit...?
[06:44] <stdin> snowdonkey: python-gnome2-dev maybe ?
[06:44] <snowdonkey> newphaze: The program's read me says gnome-python, and I assume it's this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/source/gnome-python
[06:44] <newphaze> stdin: I am only voicing my experience after 4 hours trying to do what I a want
[06:44] <newphaze> and not working obviously
[06:45] <jagcorvair> I am in the same room as the AP, but still will not see it on the laptop. What am I doing wrong?
[06:45] <stdin> newphaze: it does work, just not exactly how you want it to
[06:45] <ardchoille> newphaze: 4 hours? Wow, I would have gave up, taken a full screen and cropped it after 15 minutes.
[06:45] <newphaze> also I don't know how to code, so fixing it myself is pretty much outta the question
[06:46] <stdin> newphaze: then take the 1st option, ask the author to change it or file a bug
[06:46] <snowdonkey> newphaze: lol, thx you're right.  called python-gnome  :)
[06:46] <BigDaddy> OK, here is a real question. Do you guys know a good printing troubleshooting guide website?
[06:47] <ardchoille> !print
[06:47] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:47] <ardchoille> BigDaddy: Try one of those
[06:48] <greennick> has anyone else had disastrous boot experiences with the Feisty live install CD?
[06:48] <BigDaddy> I installed a Canon MP160 and the scanner works, but the printing is no go
[06:48] <BigDaddy> looking them up now
[06:49] <newphaze> stdin: you are right, I might point out the issue to the dev, because I am trying to create a quide for some ppl and with my idas it would be a faster more efficient way.
[06:49] <newphaze> Thanks all
[06:49] <ardchoille> greennick: I've install from the Feisty livecd on 30+ computers and never seen a problem.
[06:49] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Have you ever gotten the computer on before?
[06:49] <ananth123> greennick: what problem did u have ?
[06:50] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Wait have you read the troubleshotting guide?
[06:50] <greennick> archoille:  hmm...  i tried installing it on a fresh drive (i've got working ubuntus on two other drives), and now nothing will boot past grub
[06:50] <ananth123> greennick: what error msg did u get, if any ?
[06:50] <daSkreech> greennick: From time to time
[06:50] <greennick> jagcorvair:  yeah, i've got two other operating ubuntu disks here (both dapper), all hardware works fine, but something in this process hosed me
[06:51] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: I've followed the manual's steps for setting up the driver. That's golden.
[06:51] <daSkreech> !WIFI | jagcorvair
[06:51] <ubotu> jagcorvair: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:52] <greennick> ananth123:  at first i got nothing but hung blank screens with "_" cursors (no grub loading, nothing), then i used the live cd to boot and grub-install - now i can get to the grub menu but it gives me a "file not found" for the kernels
[06:52] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: It hasn't worked since I put Feisty
[06:52] <jagcorvair> greennick: I installed Kubuntu from the free shipit CD
[06:52] <ananth123> which partition is your installation ?
[06:53] <ardchoille> greennick: Did you change anything with the partitions?
[06:53] <greennick> ananth123: i'm on 3 disks - my feisty installation is on sdc1
[06:53] <ananth123> its strange but a minor fix would be to boot using your live cd and checking if grub's menu.lst entries correspond to the files installed on your hard disk
[06:54] <greennick> archoille: yes, i started feisty on a completely blank drive and partitioned it using the feisty live cd
[06:54] <greennick> ananth123:  yeah, i was just doing that...i haven't noticed any problems there
[06:55] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: what chipset?
[06:55] <ardchoille> ananth123: Could this be a UUID problem being that he has multiple disks?
[06:55] <greennick> i'm wondering if i've somehow mixed up the references of (hd0,0) - (hd2,0) between my BIOS and my grub menu.lst
[06:55] <ananth123> i dont know much about uuid :(
[06:55] <ardchoille> same here
[06:56] <greennick> i did play with my BIOS to change the boot disk - NONE of the three boot now.  : (
[06:56] <ardchoille> greennick: I think i'd first make sure bios is set to boot the correct hd
[06:56] <greennick> ardchoille:  are you talking about disk jumpers?  uuid?
[06:56] <ardchoille> greennick: no
[06:56] <ardchoille> !uuid
[06:56] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:56] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Dell 1390 in a Compaq laptop (go fif)
[06:57] <ananth123> ubotu: i got a seg fault at the end.... hmmmmmmmmm
[06:57] <ardchoille> !bot
[06:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:57] <greennick> ardchoille:  ok...  i see those references in grub/menu.lst, i can make them relative references (root=/dev/sdc5) instead
[06:57] <jagcorvair> !botsnack
[06:57] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:58] <ananth123> brb... gotta reboot
[06:59] <greennick> ardchoille:  i don't know if it makes a difference, all my disks are SATA drives (but two of them also ran just fine before under dapper)
[06:59] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Why does the Default Gateway always default to 0.0.0.0
[06:59] <jagcorvair> ?
[06:59] <greennick> the super-weird part is that i can't boot even my old disks now
[07:00] <daSkreech> Dunno how do you have your network setup? DHCP?
[07:00] <jagcorvair> DHCP Automatic
[07:06] <kirk> Hey people
[07:08] <klobster> !hi
[07:08] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:08] <Tw|sT> :)
[07:11] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Troubleshooting is for the PCMCIA cards. This is an internal card
[07:11] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Works the same way. try the troubleshooting guide
[07:15] <StygianAgenda> the services here just work differently for linking than what I'm used to (espernet IRC services)
[07:20] <File13_> i installed my nividia graphics driver but where do i go to enable it so i can use beryl
[07:20] <File13_> on gnome it came up and said restricted driver manager but i dont see anything like that
[07:23] <esper] > hello
[07:23] <esper] > does anyone know how i can get my usb head set working?
[07:24] <daSkreech> Jucato: ummm
[07:24] <daSkreech> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[07:24] <djdarkman> File13_: you need to install beryl first
[07:25] <djdarkman> esper] : never heard of usb headsets and why it`s good :)
[07:25] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Followed the troubleshooting link. It didn't work. I cannot do anything wireless
[07:27] <File13_> i installed beryl
[07:28] <Jucato> !nvidia
[07:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:28] <File13_> i already installed them...i just need to know how to enable it
[07:29] <Jucato> try System Settings -> Monitor & Display -> Hardware tab?
[07:29] <nzk> Why must I be tortured so? Firefox is the third app to suddenly stop working. First it was Liferea, and then Pidgin. When I type the command to open them, the loading thing next to the cursor shows and then it just disappears. The programs never open.
[07:29] <Jucato> that happens to me sometimes with Firefox too. usually the 2nd or 3rd time I try really runs it
[07:30] <Jucato> nzk: have you tried Akregator?
[07:30] <purpleposeidon> A gtk program stoll my mouse... :(
[07:30] <Jucato> I tried Liferea during my short stint in GNOME... I ended up using Akregator in GNOME :)
[07:30] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: where does it fail ?
[07:31] <purpleposeidon> the cursor looks like an L with a + in it. And when I run xkill, it says unable to grab cursor
[07:31] <BigDaddy> WOOT1
[07:31] <nzk> Jucato: That's not the point. It's that my most used programs are dropping like flies.
[07:31] <nzk> I could deal with switching to Akregator, and I was hesistant but switched to Kopete. But Konquerer is where I draw the line. I will NOT use that.
[07:31] <daSkreech> nzk: open them from the konsole
[07:31] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: 28%
[07:31] <purpleposeidon> nzk: run them from the command line first, see what the ouput says for them
[07:31] <jagcorvair> Initializing
[07:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> or just use gnome :)
[07:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> >_>
[07:31] <daSkreech> Jucato: Why?
[07:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> <_<
[07:32] <nzk> purpleposeidon: No output.
[07:32] <BigDaddy> ardchoille - took me an hour but I got it
[07:32] <purpleposeidon> okay, irritating. I have mostly no mouse....
[07:32] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Oh is it an open point?
[07:32] <wers> Jucato is backkk
[07:32] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: No wireless network found. Click on "Connect ot Other Wireless Network..."?
[07:32] <purpleposeidon> nzk: try reinstalling them...
[07:32] <nzk> purpleposeidon: I did that.
[07:32] <jagcorvair> This is where I am stuck at 28% every time
[07:32] <Jucato> daSkreech: why what? where?
[07:33] <daSkreech> Jucato: Why didn't you use Lifera?
[07:33] <BigDaddy> oh, he's gone
[07:33] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: open point?
[07:33] <nzk> They all have the same problems -- They're all GTK apps that suddenly died, have no output at console, nothing with ltrace, and cannot be reincarnated by reinstalling.
[07:33] <daSkreech> It's your fault!
[07:33] <BigDaddy> Well, to anyone who cares. I got my printer to work even though they said it was a paperweight
[07:33] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: does it have a password?
[07:33] <Jucato> daSkreech:  <Jucato> I tried Liferea during my short stint in GNOME... I ended up using Akregator in GNOME :)
[07:33] <jagcorvair> nope
[07:33] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: Whoot :0
[07:33] <BigDaddy> hell yeah
[07:33] <nzk> Woah...
[07:33] <nzk> Firefox just worked.
[07:33] <daSkreech> Jucato: Yes. Why
[07:34] <nzk> Nevermind.
[07:34] <BigDaddy> you wanna know why was weird?
[07:34] <BigDaddy> I had to use GNOME printer config for it to work
[07:34] <Jucato> daSkreech: um.. because I tried GNOME?
[07:34] <wers> I use akregator and google reader
[07:34] <BigDaddy> Man, I am unstoppable tonight
[07:34] <daSkreech> Jucato: Right. and what did you not like about Lifera?
[07:34] <Jucato> I stopped using gReader months ago.. imagine having no search! but now that they have one, I'm too lazy to try again
[07:35] <Jucato> daSkreech: hm.. I forgot. that was last year
[07:35] <Jucato> sooo last year
[07:35] <esper] > anyone know how i can check if a usb head set is even detected?
[07:36] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Nope. No password
[07:36] <Jucato> daSkreech: ah I think I remember one. it didn't have an embedded web browser in it. so if the feed only posted summaries, I still have to launch a browser
[07:36] <Jucato> I think
[07:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> esper] : check your mixer and see if it shows up in the devices
[07:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> my logitech does
[07:36] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Put one on. No idea but that makes it work
[07:36] <daSkreech> You can take it off afterwards
[07:36] <BigDaddy> Since I am on a roll, is there a way to better organize the KDE menus? Is it all text based or is there an app?
[07:36] <esper] > Daisuke_Laptop: how exactly do i do that?
[07:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> esper] : open kmix
[07:37] <Jucato> BigDaddy: right-click on the K Menu icon,
[07:37] <daSkreech> Jucato: Ugh. no Gparts?
[07:37] <Jucato> daSkreech: no Bonobo
[07:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> (it should already be in your tray, the volume control)
[07:37] <BigDaddy> damn, that can't be right
[07:37] <BigDaddy> Jucato - come on. There must be a difficult way to do this. I am from Windows man
[07:38] <Jucato> BigDaddy: um.. you can try.. um...
[07:38] <BigDaddy> Do I need to roll chicken bones?
[07:38] <Jucato> no can't think of anything :D
[07:38] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: call Microsoft's Support line and get help in less than 4 minutes
[07:39] <BigDaddy> Ya know, I have been trying to switch to linux (any flavor) for years. These past 3 days have been a blast
[07:39] <esper] > Daisuke_Laptop: ok its detected and i turned up the sound.
[07:39] <Jucato> BigDaddy: goat sacrifice would be ok
[07:39] <esper] > Daisuke_Laptop: thanks, now hwo do i get output to the headset?
[07:39] <BigDaddy> daSkreech - 4 minutes? The sixties weren't kind to you were they?
[07:39] <daSkreech> You wanted a challenge
[07:39] <BigDaddy> OH OH! That was the challenge!
[07:40] <BigDaddy> Now I am with ya. That is not a challenge. That is what we call an improbability
[07:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> esper] : i'm not using kde right now, so i'm kinda guessing here...  there should be 'preferences; or something in one of the menus
[07:40] <esper] > im not using kde either, using xmonad
[07:40] <BigDaddy> Actually I think the Windows help manual is printed on a Mobius strip
[07:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> all it says is "reboot, reformat, reinstall"
[07:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> esper] : then i can probably not help
[07:42] <esper] > hrmm
[07:42] <esper] > do you know how i can find the device name for it?
[07:42] <esper] > so i can force the systemsettings sound manager to point to it?
[07:42] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: When trying to set it up, it gets stuck at 28%. Activation Stage: Configuring device
[07:43] <WaltzingAlong> jagcorvair: the percentage is probably not the way to go since there are discrete steps involved
[07:44] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Put a wep password on the AP
[07:44] <BigDaddy> OOhh I got one for you guys. How about a graphical configuration tool for multibutton mice?
[07:44] <jagcorvair> in process
[07:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> that would be nice
[07:46] <BigDaddy> Oh, you mean I stumped them?
[07:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> the mouse i got for my laptop is a logitech that has the tilt wheel...  the tilt didn't work without a hack
[07:46] <BigDaddy> damn, that would have been handy.
[07:46] <BigDaddy> I just like the back & forward buttons in my file manager
[07:48] <BigDaddy> hmmm.... OOo doesn't want to leave my system
[07:49] <jagcorvair> That didn't work, daSkreech
[07:49] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: Hmm..
[07:49] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: You can probably connect on the command line to test it
[07:50] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Tried that. Still no luck
[07:50] <daSkreech> What did you try on the command line?
[07:51] <jagcorvair> daSkreech: Just about everything I found in the wiki
[07:52] <BigDaddy> Since Synaptic is a GNOME app, what does Kubuntu use?
[07:52] <daSkreech> !adept
[07:52] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:53] <Jucato> eeek!
[07:53] <BigDaddy> not a fan Jucato?
[07:53] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: does iwlist eth1 scan give you a response now?
[07:53] <Jucato> BigDaddy: let's just say I have a love/hate relationship with it
[07:53] <BigDaddy> So far I am prefering the KDE experience by a long shot
[07:54] <BigDaddy> GNOME is easier, but KDE is beautiful
[07:54] <Jucato> in some ways, I would prefer to use even KPackage over Adept..
[07:55] <Jucato> too bad it's unmaintained...
[07:55] <daSkreech> Jucato: Kynaptic!
[07:55] <BigDaddy> lol, what is Kynaptic?
[07:55] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: Jucato just explained
[07:56] <BigDaddy> lol, it's vomit eh?
[07:56] <jagcorvair> none
[07:56] <Jucato> BigDaddy: an attempt to make Synaptic clone for KDE... or so it seems
[07:56] <BigDaddy>  BIT POINTLESS
[07:56] <BigDaddy> oops
[07:56] <BigDaddy> orry
[07:56] <Jucato> no caps please :)
[07:56] <BigDaddy> sorry
[07:56] <Jucato> ts alright
[07:56] <Jucato> it's alright
[07:57] <BigDaddy> yeah, I accidently hit the cool cruise control
[07:57] <daSkreech> jagcorvair: So what are you connecting to on the GUI?
[07:58] <jagcorvair> I am on the desktop. My laptop has nothing.
[07:59] <pillowpants> have any of you used slackware before?
[07:59] <daSkreech> Oh the desktop can see the Wifi?
[07:59] <Smorg> anyone here try importing a bookmarks list from an ntfs partition?
[07:59] <BigDaddy> Smorg, from what app?
[08:00] <BigDaddy> firefox?
[08:09] <trixon> Hi, how do I get gimp 2.2 in swedish? I know it's tranlated and menu: Help - Help shows swedish info, but not the UI.
[08:10] <pag> trixon, you should probably install some gnome's lanaguage packs
[08:11] <pag> trixon, sudo apt-get install language-pack-gnome-sv  ?
[08:13] <Smorg> yep ff
[08:16] <rick__> hi, i'm using ubuntu for first time
[08:16] <daSkreech> !hi
[08:16] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:16] <daSkreech> rick__: Welcome to Kubuntu
[08:17] <rick__> thanks, somebody  know about web sites where i can get software?
[08:17] <pag> !repos | rick__
[08:17] <ubotu> rick__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:17] <trixon> pag: ty, it did not work, had to install language-pack-sv too, its all ok now :)
[08:18] <pag> trixon, ok. I'm glad to hear that :)
[08:18] <daSkreech> rick__: Click on the K in the lower left corner and click on Add/remove programs
[08:19] <rick__> i already did that, but i;'m looking for smething to get a better apperiance
[08:19] <daSkreech> Ah new themes?
[08:20] <rick__> yes new themes, me splash screen.. and all about that
[08:20] <pag> rick__, http://kde-look.org for new themes :)
[08:20] <daSkreech> !themes
[08:20] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:20] <rick__> thanks for your help :-)
[08:21] <rick__> so, what news about free software??
[08:21] <daSkreech> !news
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about news - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <daSkreech> Drat :)
[08:21] <daSkreech> there is the dot
[08:21] <daSkreech> http://dot.kde.org
[08:21] <daSkreech> Lxer
[08:22] <daSkreech> http://lxer.com
[08:22] <pag> rick__, fridge.ubuntu.com - dot.kde.org - linux.com - linux.slashdot.org etc...
[08:22] <rick__> look i'm from peru, and the microsoft cancer is for everywhere
[08:23] <Jucato> !away > Arv3n
[08:23] <daSkreech> glad to hear
[08:24] <rick__> dakSkreech, are you using Windows?
[08:24] <daSkreech> No
[08:25] <rick__> ah ok
[08:25] <rick__> what linux ?
[08:25] <daSkreech> Kubuntu
[08:25] <Biovore> deerrrr
[08:25] <Biovore> :-P
[08:25] <rick__> good
[08:25] <rick__> you know about Richard Stallman?
[08:25] <daSkreech> Biovore: you'd be surprised if you took a poll how few people in here use Kubuntu
[08:26] <daSkreech> !info vrms
[08:26] <ubotu> vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 108 kB
[08:26] <daSkreech> !stallman
[08:26] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[08:26] <daSkreech> I do now :)
[08:27] <rick__> he was in my country about 2 or 3 weeks
[08:27] <daSkreech> :-D
[08:28] <ananth123> how/where do i set the default compile options ? for march etc ??? is there a make.conf ?
[08:28] <daSkreech> ananth123: calm down there. What now?
[08:28] <rick__> and he spoke some interesting things
[08:28] <Lopin> I'm having some problems with the live disk booting...
[08:28] <Lopin> It's stalling when the kubuntu logo pops up...
[08:28] <ananth123> ok, i need to add the option -march while compiling any program automatically
[08:29] <ananth123> is there an easier way to do it that to manually add it ?
[08:29] <Lopin> !hang
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hang - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <Lopin> !hanging
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hanging - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <Lopin> !boot
[08:30] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:30] <pag> Lopin, try to launch without " quiet splash" -options and see, if it gives any reasonable error
[08:30] <pillowpants> does anyone here use swiftweasel?
[08:30] <Lopin> Okay...  Thanks!
[08:30] <daSkreech> Lopin: try safe graphics
[08:30] <daSkreech> pillowpants: Which one is that again?
[08:31] <pag> Lopin, or if it doesn't you'll at least will know when exactly it's hanging
[08:31] <pillowpants> it think its an optimized build of firefox
[08:31] <pillowpants> but im asking to find out for sure
[08:31] <Lopin> Okay...  What's happening is that when the Kubuntu logo with the progress bar pops up, it just stops, so I think the quiet, and splash may show me what's going on...
[08:31] <Lopin> I come back, will someone help me?
[08:31] <pag> pillowpants, swiftweasel is 100% free optimised version of FF
[08:31] <pag> Lopin, I'll help the best I can
[08:32] <Lopin> There's also IceWeasel...  But I only saw that on Knoppix 5...
[08:32] <Lopin> BRB...
[08:32] <pillowpants> pag: what use does it serve?
[08:33] <pillowpants> i read its easier to get flash to install, using a script made by kilz
[08:33] <pillowpants> which is why im giving it a try
[08:33] <pag> pillowpants, well.. it's supposed to be faster than normal Firefox..
[08:33] <daSkreech> pillowpants: that sounds spurious
[08:33] <pillowpants> daSkreech : what do you mean by spurious
[08:34] <daSkreech> plain wrong :)
[08:34] <Lynoure> I know this channel is for support for the released versions, but if any of you upgraded to gutsy already, could you msg me how you did it?
[08:34] <pag> pillowpants, usually those automatic scripts only lead to problems
[08:34] <Lynoure> (no one active on #ubuntu+1 seems to use Kubuntu)
[08:34] <daSkreech> Lynoure: change the words feisty to gutsy in your sources.lst
[08:35] <daSkreech> Lynoure: they don't need to it's the same way to upgrade for all versions
[08:35] <pillowpants> im willing to try it, getting it to work on my own will invariably lead to more problems
[08:35] <Lynoure> daSkreech: I tried to follow instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu
[08:35] <daSkreech> ah
[08:35] <daSkreech> right
[08:35] <pag> Lynoure, iirc Adept now has a fancy tool for dist-upgrades...but otoh it's Adept, so I'd suggest the text-based way
[08:35] <Lynoure> daSkreech: and that terminated in the middle of the first step (preparing for upgrade)
[08:40] <BigDaddy> you know, I still haven't started modifying this KDE menu. IS there a way to reset it if I screw up?
[08:41] <daSkreech> BigDaddy: I never looked at an export for my menu...
[08:41] <pag> BigDaddy, yup. you'll just have to remove one file (I can't remember which one though) and it's back to defaults
[08:41] <newphaze> why my gimp work is 50MB?
[08:42] <BigDaddy> Remove on file in my profile and it restores the menu? I can probably google that
[08:42] <daSkreech> newphaze: is it saaved as Gimps file format?
[08:43] <newphaze> daSkreech: wont even let me save. Tells me " could nott allocate memory"
[08:43] <daSkreech> newphaze: How much space do you have free on the HDD?
[08:44] <newphaze> daSkreech: A LOT
[08:45] <pag> newphaze, how about your RAM?
[08:45] <newphaze> 512MB
[08:46] <streppel> heya
[08:46] <Lopin> pog: okay...
[08:46] <Lopin> It's still not working...
[08:46] <newphaze> I've put several images on  my blaank page then I've merged all layers
[08:46] <Lopin> I need to know why I can't use 64 bit, on my Turion64...
[08:46] <pag> Lopin, hmm.. you got any errors?
[08:47] <pag> Lopin, any reason, why you want to use 64bit?
[08:48] <Lopin> Well, should I not?  I was given a 32 bit copy of vista...
[08:48] <streppel> my compiz is running*smiles*    now i'd like to know how i can set the button that activates the shift switcher
[08:48] <Lopin> I'm sorry...  I'm still new...
[08:48] <streppel> i tryed klicking on the position but it dosn't seem to work :/
[08:48] <Lopin> Is there any reason to use 64 bit, though?
[08:48] <daSkreech> Lopin: You can if you want to. things which are closed source will be a headache
[08:48] <daSkreech> Like java and Flash
[08:48] <Lopin> Hmm...  Okay...
[08:48] <daSkreech> hopefully both will be open source soon
[08:49] <Lopin> So, will the 32 bit work slower on a 64 bit processor?
[08:49] <Lopin> I don't know what 64 bit is actually like..
[08:49] <pag> Lopin, 32bit is easier, and since there're no significant dpeed differences, I wouldn't really reccomend 64bit
[08:49] <daSkreech> Lopin: more efficent, more registers so you can use more RAM, you sound sexier with more bits
[08:49] <newphaze> oh it worked now
[08:49] <Lopin> Okay...
[08:49] <daSkreech> Lopin: not really slower. just less efficent
[08:49] <Lopin> Will I notice a difference?
[08:49] <newphaze> but why is my image 50MB? I want it like a few kilobits
[08:50] <newphaze> less than a 3 megs
[08:50] <daSkreech> Lopin: I guess if you look for it
[08:50] <daSkreech> newphaze: save for the web
[08:50] <pag> Lopin, only if you do 3D rendering or something like that - yu won't in everyday use
[08:50] <newphaze> I cannot upload 50MB on an email
[08:50] <newphaze> daSkreech: I saved as  PNG
[08:50] <Lopin> Heh...  Okays...
[08:50] <pag> newphaze, save it as .jpg?
[08:50] <newphaze> I weant png
[08:52] <Lopin> Okay... I can't remember, does the installer resize partitions?
[08:52] <Lopin> Or, do I have to do that in windows first?
[08:53] <Jalathan> Does anyone know if wvdial's "Carrier check = no" command can be translated/transferred to kppp?
[08:53] <daSkreech> Lopin: either. Whichever you are more comfortable with
[08:53] <pag> Lopin, if you have Vista, you might want to resize from Windows - otherwise you can do it from livecd
[08:53] <Lopin> Okay...
[08:54] <newphaze> oh actually it did save it as png but now is 150kb and horrible quality!!!
[08:54] <emilsedgh> Jalathan: I think thats 'Check for dial tone' option in kppp
[08:54] <newphaze> and I can't  undo  cause I closed GIMP
[08:54] <newphaze> is it possible to decompress png image?
[08:54] <newphaze> or is pretty much undoable?
[08:55] <Biovore> png is lossless compression
[08:55] <newphaze> oh never mind
[08:55] <daSkreech> Biovore: umm no I'ts lossy isn't it?
[08:55] <newphaze> it wasn't  zoomed to its original size
[08:55] <pillowpants> i cant seem to get this shell script to run
[08:56] <newphaze> it's fine now!! and only 150kb !!
[08:56] <daSkreech> Nope it's lossless
[08:56] <pillowpants> in kde there doesnt seem to be a double click + run in terminal
[08:56] <Biovore> there is an action option I think..
[08:56] <newphaze> WOW I'm a pro
[08:57] <newphaze> how can I make a video guide like the ones in youtube? I don't want lameass webcam type
[08:58] <newphaze> I'd like direct screen recording
[08:58] <Biovore> you mean a screencast?
[08:58] <newphaze> yeah
[08:58] <newphaze> something like that
[08:58] <Biovore> krecordmydesktop is cool
[08:58] <Biovore> or istanbul
[08:58] <Biovore> !istanbul
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about istanbul - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <newphaze> which one is beeter?
[08:58] <Biovore> well istanbul is installable from repos on feisty..
[08:58] <Biovore> krecordmydesktop is only on gusty..
[08:59] <Biovore> I like krecordmydesktop better..
[08:59] <Lopin> Why is there not enough room on a half full hard disk, to create a five gig partition?
[08:59] <Biovore> but it dosn't grab 3d well..
[08:59] <Lopin> I've got thrty gigs!
[08:59] <Biovore> doing something wrong
[09:00] <newphaze> Biovore: that's aight, just need to record some website instructions
[09:00] <newphaze> can I add voice?
[09:00] <newphaze> I have a USB mic
[09:00] <streppel> how can i set a button combination with tab in ccsm?
[09:01] <streppel> nvm doubleclicking the name and writing xD
[09:09] <veddie> can i say something in thechannel?
[09:09] <veddie> ok, good.
[09:09] <gustavo> :)
[09:11] <emilsedgh> I have a package for krecordmydesktop, anyone wants?
[09:13] <streppel> i have one,too :P
[09:14] <newphaze> krecordmydesktop looks     cool. But why is only for Gutsby? I need it for Fesity
[09:15] <newphaze> by the way the name is tooooooooooo long
[09:15] <newphaze> and it s hardly a name is an entire sentence
[09:16] <newphaze> this would me more appropiate: kdeshot
[09:17] <kkathman> newphaze:  "this would me more.."   might need to work on your own sentences :)
[09:17] <streppel> how to run a specified progrom on a new xserver?
[09:17] <kkathman> streppel:  what program are you trying to run?
[09:18] <streppel> a game with cedega
[09:18] <streppel> but as i'm running compiz at the same time it doesn't start up
[09:18] <streppel> do i need a new x where it can run,not?
[09:18] <kkathman> stop compiz I dunno - I see no need for windows proggies :)
[09:19] <streppel> games :P
[09:19] <kkathman> bah
[09:22] <streppel> :/
[09:22] <streppel> anarchy onlines runs better under lin then win *lolz*
[09:30] <streppel> mhh...... my game works now :D
[09:44] <kirk> !nvu
[09:44] <ubotu> kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project.  It will be in the Ubuntu repos for 7.10 ("gutsy"); meanwhile for other versions add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list:  "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu {edgy,feisty} universe"  (pick your release and list it without brackets, and no quotes)
[09:46] <Phlogi> I've downloaded the kubuntu dvd, do I need to take care when I burn the iso (on linux of course) so that the dvd is bootable afterwards?
[09:49] <normie_> hello people
[09:50] <kirk> hi
[09:50] <normie_> has anyone succesfully configured their broadcom 1390 wireless card?
[09:51] <normie_> it works with opensuse and ndiswrapper, but i can't seem to get it work with kubuntu
[09:54] <normie_> hello
[09:55] <kirk> !ADEPT
[09:55] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:55] <kirk> In Adept when it says BROKEN under status, what does that mean?
[09:55] <ag_> wie bekommt man den skype unter kubuntu wieder los. das ding erscheint in keinem programmpaket
[09:56] <Jucato> !de | ag_
[09:56] <ubotu> ag_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:56] <streppel> :P
[09:58] <Jucato> kirk: it means that what you're trying to do could potentially cause some problems. try using the apt-get command to see more details
[09:58] <BigDaddy> ugh, Opera blows
[09:59] <BigDaddy> Don't quite get why that one is so popular
[09:59] <normie_> has anyone succesfully configured their broadcom 1390 wireless card?
[10:00] <ag_> how do in uninstall skype ?
[10:00] <emilsedgh> normie_: yes :)
[10:00] <emilsedgh> normie_: I have it, working so nice, with ndiswrapper
[10:00] <normie_> well i tried the manual but nothing
[10:01] <emilsedgh> normie_: do you have ndiswrapper?
[10:01] <normie_> yes
[10:02] <emilsedgh> normie_: and, do you have the driver? is it .EXE ?
[10:02] <normie_> yep
[10:02] <BigDaddy> you have a driver in EXE format?
[10:02] <emilsedgh> normie_: and you extracted it? thats a ZIP file in fact...you could open and extract it with ark
[10:02] <normie_> i even added the bcm4311 to the blacklist
[10:02] <BigDaddy> you don't see anything wrong with that?
[10:03] <normie_> i extracted it with wine
[10:03] <BigDaddy> oh
[10:03] <emilsedgh> normie_: ndiswrapper -l whats the ourput?
[10:03] <emilsedgh> s/ourput/output
[10:05] <normie_> bcmwl5 : driver installed
[10:06] <normie_>         device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[10:07] <emilsedgh> dunno really, i easily setup my 1390 to work, do you want that i upload my driver that you try it?
[10:07] <emilsedgh> normie_: ^
[10:08] <normie_> wel i have a hp laptop
[10:08] <normie_> i works when i installed opensuse
[10:08] <normie_> but i want kubuntu :-)
[10:09] <emilsedgh> normie_: i have a dell :), shouldnt really be important
[10:10] <normie_> i have no idea what i'm doing wrong
[10:20] <kgx> !medibuntu
[10:20] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:20] <kgx> !mediabuntu
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:28] <newphaze> anybody know a ancient latin channel?
[10:28] <newphaze> lol
[10:34] <kirk> Is there any cellphone tools for linux
[10:34] <kirk> Like Motorola Phone Tools
[10:35] <kirk> !phone
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <kirk> !cellphone
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cellphone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Harpi> hi everybody
[10:35] <kirk> !motorola
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motorola - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <Smorg> !ntfs
[10:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:37] <Smorg> !ntfs-3g
[10:37] <Smorg> !fuse
[10:37] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:37] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[10:38] <Harpi> I have upgraded my kubuntu from 6.06 to edgy 6.10 bu i'm experiencing troubles .... it doesn't want to boot... it just displays the Kubuntu screen loader (not kde) and then freezes
[10:38] <kirk> !kmobiletools
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmobiletools - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <Harpi> does anyone has any idea or experienced the same problem ?
[10:39] <edward> how do you reboot without rebooting your hardware?  (so Your HD doesn't power off?)
[10:41] <Harpi> it boots indeed ....the hardware boots, grubs purpose me to choose ... then I chose to start with Kubuntu .... it displays me the screen loader of Kubuntu
[10:41] <Harpi> and then nothing
[10:42] <Ilokaasu> Harpi: try pressing alt+f1 and see whats wrong or reboot and choose recovery mode and check what goes wrong after you type startx
[10:43] <Harpi> i already tried alt+f1 .... no response .... it's freeezed
[10:43] <Harpi> everything was alright with 6.06
[10:44] <Don_jr__> Hello, I have my system dual booted, vista on one side, kubuntu on the other, how can I remove kubuntu and get rid of it completely??
[10:46] <Don_jr__> Can anyone tell me how to remove kubuntu from my box?
[10:47] <Phlogi> I've downloaded the kubuntu dvd, do I need to take care when I burn the iso (on linux of course) so that the dvd is bootable afterwards?
[10:47] <shockdiode> sudo rm -rf /
[10:48] <Don_jr__> shockdiode will that uninstall everything? including the grub so my windows side will boot normally?
[10:49] <shockdiode> you'll still have to select the option to boot into windows
[10:49] <shockdiode> it's probably a bad idea to do what i suggested
[10:49] <emilsedgh> Don_jr__: to uninstall grub, you have to repair your windows by its cd
[10:49] <shockdiode> yes, listen to him
[10:50] <Don_jr__> emilsedgh I've tried that, ended up having to reinstall kubuntu cause windows wouldn't load at all, said it couldnt' find grub and stopped there
[10:50] <emilsedgh> Don_jr__: I have no experience with this, I have no windows and I never removed my gnu/linux, but I think you have to put your windows cd, repair your installation, then remove the kubuntu partition
[10:50] <Don_jr__> tried to 'repair' from mhy install CD and said it found nothing to repair
[10:51] <Don_jr__> I can remove the partitions easy enough, but that doesn't stop my boot sector from trying to find grub for some reason. not sure how to do that part
[10:52] <emilsedgh> Don_jr__: ask windows support, windows replair can bring windows boot manager
[10:52] <shockdiode> check this thread out, google is your friend ;) : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238525
[10:52] <Don_jr__> shockdiode thanks, I'll dig through it
[10:58] <Huey> how can i prevent the libata modules from loading, and have the kernel use the ide-generic module instead?
[10:58] <Huey> (i think i'm experiencing huge performance penalties because of the libata stuff)
[11:00] <Stinkfly> hello
[11:02] <digi> eject in amorok doesnt work for my ipod can anyone help me with this?
[11:03] <Stinkfly> bye
[11:04] <emilsedgh> digi: is it listed on /media?
[11:05] <digi> yea
[11:05] <digi> IPOD
[11:06] <digi> amarok reads it just fine, but it cant eject it
[11:07] <digi> I read this should work, but it doesnt  gnome-mount -t --eject --device %d
[11:07] <Smorg> !firewall
[11:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:08] <Smorg> wheres guarddog?
[11:09] <Smorg> repository?
[11:10] <waylandbill> digi: The ipod should appear on the desktop. Right click it and 'safely remove'
[11:11] <shockdiode> huey: i'd like an answer to this one too, I've just been living with it as everything works ok but I don't understand remapping ide stuff to scsi
[11:11] <shockdiode> perhaps this is a different issue than yours but it's really been bumming me out since feisty
[11:12] <waylandbill> Smorg: yes.
[11:12] <waylandbill> !info guarddog
[11:12] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[11:12] <Smorg> hm
[11:13] <Smorg> doesn't show up :-/
[11:13] <Smorg> in add/remove progs
[11:15] <waylandbill> Smorg: use Adept.
[11:17] <RurouniJones> Is there a way to get Thunderbird to minimise to the icon list on the right hand side of the kubuntu panel? (Like amarok and Konversation)
[11:17] <digi> I got it
[11:18] <digi> if anyone is curious the line that works with amarok is gnome-mount -t --eject --device /dev/disk/by-label/IPOD
[11:18] <digi> :) time for breakfast and a beer, catch ya on the flip side
[11:19] <shockdiode> does anyone know how to get feisty to recognise ide drives as /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd* ?
[11:19] <shockdiode> the scsi emulation is unneccesary and bumming me out
[11:19] <waylandbill> Huey: blacklist the one and modprobe the other.
[11:19] <aryr100> hello all
[11:20] <Huey> waylandbill: how do i blacklist a kernel module?
[11:20] <aryr100> what is the cmd for sudo gedit in kde ?
[11:20] <shockdiode> makes my dvd drive on my laptop perform poorly
[11:20] <waylandbill> Huey: see /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file for details.
[11:21] <shockdiode> do you just need to blacklist the sg stuff?
[11:21] <waylandbill> shockdiode: dvd burner?
[11:21] <shockdiode> no dvd reader cdrw
[11:21] <waylandbill> aryr100: kdesu kate
[11:21] <shockdiode> throughput on hd seems fine
[11:22] <shockdiode> but dvd/cdrw behaves poorly sometimes
[11:22] <aryr100> kk thx
[11:22] <waylandbill> shockdiode: it's a burner of some sort. Gotcha. That has scsi emulation or otherwise you couldn't burn with it.
[11:22] <Huey> so disabling scsi_mod should ensure i use the correct ide drivers, right?
[11:22] <shockdiode> right, but previously under the old scheme it worked fine
[11:22] <Huey> is there the possibility of it not loading ide-generic on the next reboot?
[11:23] <shockdiode> right so i don't want to get rid of the sg stuff
[11:23] <waylandbill> Huey: I don't know if disabling scsi_mod will ensure anything gets used. Never did it.
[11:24] <shockdiode> i can live with it but it's just odd that after feisty and all drives being recognised as sd* it started behaving strangely
[11:24] <waylandbill> Huey: perhaps someone on #linux knows more about the modules and how they function.
[11:24] <Huey> waylandbill: but it should prevent libata from being loaded, right?
[11:24] <Huey> waylandbill: ah, thanks
[11:25] <Huey> if i blacklist scsi_mod, will the kernel automatically load ide-generic upon the next boot?
[11:25] <waylandbill> Huey: if you blacklist the module, it will not load on the next boot.
[11:25] <waylandbill> Huey: again. I can't say what will happen other than the one will not load.
[11:26] <Huey> waylandbill: sorry, typed that in the wrong channel :-P
[11:26] <Roy_> Hallo, i've a question about keyboard layout
[11:27] <RurouniJones> Is there a way to get Thunderbird to minimise to the system tray when you click the 'X'? (Like amarok and Konversation)
[11:27] <aryr100-afk> kk need this cmd for kde (sudo gedit ~/.bashrc) kdesu kate not opening it ?
[11:27] <Roy_> i installed beryl and now i have a keyboard with death keys
[11:28] <shockdiode> if i recall correctly scsi emulation is no longer needed for burners or did that change?
[11:28] <waylandbill> aryr100-afk: kdesu will cause you to open root's bashrc. You can simply 'kate ~/.bashrc' without the kdesu
[11:28] <Roy_> a search in the net and found something to change that, but the explained menu-point doesn't exist in my kubuntu
[11:29] <shockdiode> on an older debian install of mine i remember switching to pure ide for burners
[11:29] <aryr100-afk> kk works thx
[11:31] <Roy_> does anybody know, how to change the keyboard layout to "nodeadkeys"?
[11:32] <Roy_> in regional settings i found that
[11:32] <Roy_> but
[11:32] <Roy_> under keyboard-type i can't select any type
[11:33] <waylandbill> shockdiode: you could be right. Interestingly, I see my burner as /dev/hdc.
[11:34] <waylandbill> the only scsi emulation I have is for my sd/mmc card reader
[11:35] <waylandbill> shockdiode: what does dmesg | grep CD output?
[11:37] <xenol> i got a problem with video on feisty, in kaffeine the film plays very slow and screen is green (lol)
[11:38] <xenol> any ideas? already tried mplayer vlc but no success
[11:38] <emilsedgh> xenol: have you your video card installed properly?
[11:45] <dappermuis> xenol, also, do you have the right codecs installed?
[11:45] <xenol> dappermuis: i have installed w32codecs, also instal libxine-extracodecs, mpeg, libarts1-mpeglib
[11:46] <xenol> anything i forgot?
[11:46] <mauri> someone knows where adept updater stored the packages downloaded?
[11:46] <emilsedgh> xenol: video card, is that installed properly?
[11:47] <emilsedgh> mauri: /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:47] <xenol> emilsedgh:  no drivers installed
[11:47] <emilsedgh> xenol: whats your vga?
[11:47] <xenol> emilsedgh:  ati 9600 pro
[11:47] <dappermuis> xenol, no that looks about right. Take emilsedgh's advice and check your video card
[11:47] <xenol> dappermuis:  check what about it? :-/
[11:47] <emilsedgh> xenol: please take a look at wiki to find out how to install ati drivers
[11:48] <xenol> emilsedgh:  k should that help?
[11:48] <emilsedgh> xenol: im nost sure, but i think so
[11:48] <mauri> emilsedgh: thanks..... can i remove them if they are already installed?
[11:48] <emilsedgh> mauri: yes
[11:49] <xenol> emilsedgh: does ubuntu applies also on kubuntu?
[11:50] <emilsedgh> xenol: yes, but please remember that there is no restricted manager in kubuntu feisty, you should follow the manual guide
[11:51] <xenol> emilsedgh:  u mean the one with downloading some files and flgrx?
[11:52] <emilsedgh> xenol: yes
[11:52] <xenol> emilsedgh:  k
[11:53] <mauri> emilsedgh: why adept does not remove them itself after the install
[11:54] <emilsedgh> mauri: because many people (like me) love them! take backup from them and copy them!
[11:54] <mauri> emilsedgh: ok thanks a lot I understand
[11:55] <emilsedgh> mauri: im on dial up, when i get kde4 beta 2 packages (about 300MB download), it took many hours, I dont want to lose them :)
[11:55] <emilsedgh> mauri: me = many people like me
[11:56] <mauri> emilsedgh: yes of couse, this is the reason why I would know where they was stored
[11:57] <xenol> emilsedgh can u plz tell me if i have sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv writen that Xv must be replaced  with my gpu type?
[11:57] <emilsedgh> xenol: sorry, dunno
[12:03] <waylandbill> mauri: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:04] <mauri> emilsedgh: have you tried kd4? wha do you think
[12:04] <mauri> waylandbill: thanks
[12:04] <waylandbill> mauri: see the man page for apt-get and specifically the clean and autoclean commands.
[12:05] <emilsedgh> mauri: before trying, its months and months that im following the development process, trust it, KDE4 rocks, even if not in 4.0, it will rock in 4.1, 4.2 and later
[12:05] <Jones-K> How to add custom commands to keyboard shortcuts? i found only avaible to put something from kmenu
[12:07] <mauri> waylandbill: thank you
[12:07] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: systemSettings->Keyboard->shortcuts
[12:08] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: but looks like that you have to create new menu entry for that
[12:08] <Jones-K> yep, don't wanna put my kmenu full of shortcuts
[12:08] <Jones-K> so i was asking what's the right way to do it beyond that
[12:09] <mauri> emilsedgh: now i've 3.5.7 kde version...is it easy to switch to 4.0 or not
[12:09] <emilsedgh> Jones-K: i dunno, maybe otheres know
[12:09] <Jones-K> some k application used to be for that, maby find that
[12:09] <emilsedgh> mauri: install kde4 packages from feisty-backports, you will have them both, no conflict
[12:09] <waylandbill> in digiKam, when I want to select an icon for a tag, selecting anything but Applications for System Icons gives an empty category of icons.
[12:10] <Jones-K> btw, does anyone know any xmms plugin for flashing keyboard leds?
[12:12] <mauri> emilsedgh: i'm a beginner...and i'm using kubuntu 7.10
[12:13] <emilsedgh> mauri: they are already in 7.10, search kde4 in adept manager, but thats not usefull for you...
[12:13] <mauri> emilsedgh: tell me why it is ot usefull fomr me
[12:14] <emilsedgh> mauri: its really unstable and buggy :) you cannot even use Konqueror to browse the web for more than a few minutes
[12:16] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using pppoeconf to connect to the net.  but somehow my dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf keep getting reset to the default entry i.e. 192.168.1.1 even though i've added additional ones via knetworkmanager.  any ideas?
[12:17] <mauri_> who is the person that was speaking with me about kde4?
[12:19] <mauri_> wolferine: do i speak with you before about kde4
[12:21] <RurouniJones> Does anyone else have sound trouble when running ZSNES? There is lots of interference etc.
[12:21] <mauri_> i've have a big big problem with kubuntu (now 7.10 version)
[12:22] <mauri_> Could someone help me
[12:22] <xenol> !ask | mauri_
[12:22] <ubotu> mauri_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:24] <mauri_> xenol: the problem is that sometimes on the video appear vertical line, only the mouse is possibile to move but it does not select nothing. I'm not be able to do nothing. I've tried to chaged kernel, but the problem still esist
[12:24] <emilsedgh> mauri: i was speaking to you :)
[12:25] <mauri_> emilsedgh: sorry but the system had blocked
[12:25] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i didn't read you answer about why for me it's not usefull to install kd4
[12:26] <emilsedgh> its really unstable and buggy :) you cannot even use Konqueror to browse the web for more than a few minutes, mauri
[12:27] <emilsedgh> mauri: and, its natural, its beta :)
[12:27] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i've have a big problem with all the kubuntu version
[12:28] <mauri_> emilsedgh: mya you help me
[12:28] <emilsedgh> mauri: with video?
[12:28] <mauri_> emilsedgh: yes
[12:28] <emilsedgh> mauri: did you install your video card driver?
[12:29] <mauri_> emilsedgh: i've tried to chageg the dirver after installed them in the xorg.conf file...but the sistem doesn't start
[12:29] <mauri_> emilsedgh: the problem is that when the problem accours, i'm not be able to do nothig
[12:29] <ardchoille> mauri_: Are you running Feisty?
[12:29] <emilsedgh> mauri: I think your did something wrong, but i dont know how to do that right
[12:29] <mauri_> ardchoille: no, 7.10
[12:29] <emilsedgh> s/your/sou
[12:30] <mauri_> ardchoille: but i've have sthe same problem in 7.04
[12:30] <ardchoille> mauri_: 7.10 is a development release atm, you should be asking in an ubuntu dev channel
[12:31] <deviance> Is KDEbase-dev a good idea? Do I need it to Make?
[12:31] <mauri_> ardchoille: the same problem accour in the 7.04
[12:31] <deviance> It wont let me make otherwise
[12:31] <ardchoille> mauri_: What exactly is the problem? Which video player? What kind of vid card do you have?
[12:31] <fdoving> deviance: what are you trying to 'make' ?
[12:31] <deviance> Domino the widget style
[12:31] <mauri_> ardchoille: i'm not sure that is caused y video adapter. It is nvidia geforce 4400
[12:32] <Jucato> deviance: kdelibs4-dev would be enough (you might need xorg-dev too)
[12:32] <fdoving> deviance: then you probably need it, yes. it does not hurt anyway, except it occupies some space.
[12:32] <ardchoille> mauri_: How did you install the video drivers?
[12:32] <ardchoille> lol
[12:32] <mauri_> ardchoille: i download it from adept and installe nvidia driver insteed nv
[12:33] <fdoving> deviance: jucato may be right, kdelibs4-dev could be enough.
[12:33] <mauri_> ardchoille: in the xrog.conf...but the sistem dont start
[12:33] <Jucato> peace, fdoving :)
[12:33] <fdoving> Jucato: ouch, yeah :)
[12:34] <ardchoille> mauri_: did you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to update xorg?
[12:34] <mauri_> ardchoille: no, i've simply modiy xorg.con
[12:34] <ardchoille> mauri_: and what happens when you restart x ?
[12:35] <mauri_> ardchoille: nothing....the system was blocked
[12:35] <ardchoille> What do you mean by "blocked"?
[12:36] <mauri_> ardchoille: x is not started
[12:36] <ardchoille> mauri_: Did you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: i've to go now
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: may you give me an email addrss
[12:37] <mauri_> ardchoille: in order to contat you again
[12:37] <ardchoille> mauri_: I don't use email, but I'm usually in here.
[12:38] <mauri_> ardchoille: thanks for the moment
[12:38] <ardchoille> :)
[12:38] <mauri_> ardchoille: i hot to solve this peroblem asap
[12:40] <mauri_> ardchoille: just last question..do you think that it coul be a video adapter problem?
[12:41] <combo> !ati
[12:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <ardchoille> mauri_: I have a feeling that you didn't properly set up the nvidia driver.
[12:42] <ardchoille> mauri_: Read that url that ubotu just posted
[12:42] <mauri_> ardchoille: ok thanks
[12:42] <mauri_> ardchoille: i will do it, bye and thanks again
[12:42] <ardchoille> mauri_: You're welcome
[12:42] <ardchoille> Thanks combo
[12:43] <combo> ardchoille: i wanted that for myself but it's ok if it help also to someone else ;P
[12:43] <ardchoille> combo: :)
[12:44] <ardchoille> combo: Perfect timing
[12:44] <combo> ( i came to this channel little later so i couldn't even see a problem :D )
[12:44] <combo> :)
[12:44] <ardchoille> Ah, ok. That's what I get for disabling parts/joins, lol
[12:46] <timmy> Well, when I restarted afterinstalling KDEbase-dev it asked me to fill in the KDE3.5.6 options so that was a mistake
[12:48] <ubuntu_> some german people here_\
[12:48] <ubuntu_> shit
[12:48] <ubuntu_> german german
[12:48] <dappermuis> !de
[12:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:55] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use shift+click to download a file in flashgot.  But kde seems to capture it so nothing happens.  How do I fix this?
[12:57] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Can't you right click the link and choose save as?
[12:57] <crazy_bus> sorry I mean alt-click
[12:58] <crazy_bus> ardchoille: I wan't to download lots of files quickly.  So I want to just alt-click and have it added to my download manager
[01:00] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Alt+Left is a konqueror gesture for "Back"
[01:01] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Open kcontrol, go to Regional & Accessibility, then go to Input Actions and look at the "Back" gesture (Keyboard Input Settings tab)
[01:02] <crazy_bus> thanks
[01:02] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: You can disable that by ticking the "Disable" checkbox
[01:05] <crazy_bus> I did what you said ardchoille.  But for some reason alt+click still isn't working
[01:06] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Oh, I just noticed, I was wrong. That gesture is for Alt+Left and I was thinking Alt+LeftClick. Sorry
[01:07] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: But it sounds like a gesture and you should be able to find it in kcontrol and disable it
[01:17] <oMish_> which package will install manpages for pthreads ?
[01:18] <essential> Hellou guys!
[01:19] <essential> Two questions, what program would you use when making simpple video editings and how do I install Java.
[01:19] <pag> !java | essential
[01:19] <ubotu> essential: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:20] <essential> Because, installing the java. It was crying 'bout bin, that it's not directory O__o
[01:20] <essential> !Multiverse
[01:20] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:21] <deviance> How do I animate menus? I know theres an option to have them fade in but where is it?
[01:21] <pag> deviance, kcontrol -> Apperarance -> Style -> Effects ?
[01:22] <deviance> Thats the one :D
[01:24] <uga> ardchoille: heh, shame I'm late. Alt+click is the window grab
[01:24] <uga> kwin captures it to move windows
[01:25] <feierfox> hi
[01:25] <pag> !hi | feierfox
[01:25] <ubotu> feierfox: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:25] <feierfox> where can i get the daily-build of gutsy?
[01:25] <ardchoille> uga: D'ho! I should have thought of that since I use it
[01:25] <uga> ardchoille: it can be modified by right clicking on a window, configure window behavior->actions->window actions->
[01:26] <ardchoille> uga: That's good to know
[01:26] <uga> next time he comes ;)
[01:26] <harrowed> feierfox: Try [ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ ] 
[01:26] <pag> feierfox, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:27] <feierfox> thanks!
[01:27] <feierfox> i think about upgrading today... :O
[01:27] <harrowed> I did last night :D Few scratches but all nice now :)
[01:29] <feierfox> i just have to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:29] <feierfox> right?
[01:33] <uga> harrowed: in my case it was the whole disk scratched ;P
[01:33] <uga> lucky you
[01:34] <harrowed> uga :: LOL.. You do realise you shouldn't piff CD's like frisbee's? Or is that a rhetorical question?
[01:35] <uga> harrowed: how did you know! that's what I did to the gutsy CD afterwards! ;))
[01:35] <pag> feierfox, change "feisty" to "gutsy" in /etc/apt/sources.list , command " sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade " and have your fingers crossed
[01:35] <uga> and see your machine ruined and needing to reinstall feisty :P
[01:35] <feierfox> and remove foreign-sources
[01:35] <harrowed> uga: And boot live to download Live CD and install Gutsy!
[01:35] <uga> not even chrooting and updating again, nor checking bootup options, nor...
[01:35] <uga> couldnt' fix it
[01:38] <harrowed> uga: Try running Damn Small Linux on an XBOX and downloading the ISO to burn :D
[01:39] <uga> I've done very weird things in the past and fixed my machines often, but this one...
[01:39] <uga> I couldn't even make it display antyhing, no matter how much I changed vga options
[01:39] <uga> I saw the splash, but terminals weren't available
[01:39] <uga> so I booted with the live CD and chrooted. It turned out that the spanish mirror was f*cked up
[01:39] <uga> so I changed mirror, and updated again. No luck
[01:40] <harrowed> Eww.. Took me a day to work mine, but that's just silly onboard i810 crap instead of my nVidia card (legacy)
[01:40] <uga> I rebooted in single mode, that gave me a nice console, but the network card wasn't found
[01:40] <uga> not even loading all net modules
[01:40] <Zergiu> hello jucato
[01:40] <azali> hi guys
[01:40] <feierfox> now it's stucking at 99% :/
[01:40] <harrowed> hi azali
[01:40] <azali> i've got a problem with my ubuntu
[01:40] <uga> I got the asus CD, tried building the network driver... it didn't find the necessary headers
[01:40] <uga> isn't it fun ;)
[01:41] <azali> who can help me with setting up dc++ client
[01:41] <harrowed> uga: Ewww.. Sucks to be you :D
[01:41] <harrowed> feierfox: Did you remove all external sources?
[01:42] <feierfox> no :/
[01:42] <harrowed> feierfox: probably stuck finding all the language files if you running non - en_US
[01:42] <uga> harrowed: my most enjoyable (fixed) experience was when a gentoo ebuild failed installing properly libc,ld...
[01:42] <uga> ie, the system was completely broken
[01:42] <harrowed> uga: And you fixed it? Ewww
[01:42] <harrowed> uga: May as well build from kernel up solo!
[01:43] <harrowed> wb deviance
[01:43] <uga> harrowed: yup. chroot would not work because bash in the destination machine needs those libs. But then I found that gentoo always includes a statically linked shell, cant' recall which one
[01:43] <uga> and asked chroot to run it
[01:43] <d3ce1t> hi people, there is some web with kubuntu gutsy bugs?
[01:43] <harrowed> d3ce1t: Posting or parsing?
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> d3ce1t: yeah... there is
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> !bugs | d3ce1t
[01:44] <ubotu> d3ce1t: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:44] <d3ce1t> posting I think
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: or the little creepy crawlers ;)
[01:45] <d3ce1t> ah well ubotu :) I didn't read the "or any of its derivatives"
[01:45] <d3ce1t> thanksss
[01:45] <d3ce1t> nosrednaekim:  thanksss
[01:45] <harrowed> d3ce1t: You're reminding me of my mud'ing days playing a Lizardman.. I'm scared!
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[01:45] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[01:47] <d3ce1t> harrowed: xDD scared? why? haha
[01:47] <harrowed> d3ce1t: Because I saw a KMUD client :D May want to get back into it.
[01:48] <harrowed> *prods client* Meanie running KDE 3.7.. I mean Gutsy without 4.x :D not bleeding edge enough
[01:49] <combo> i have a problem with konqurer - it is written that there is no MIME type ?! what it means ? :] 
[01:49] <harrowed> E: Couldn't find package gutsy-backports *CRY*
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> combo: it means it that it cannot detect the type of file because it (probably) does not have a file name extension such as .odt,.zip, .deb, etc
[01:50] <combo> nosrednaekim: how can i fix that ? :///
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> combo: what type of file is it?
[01:50] <feierfox> ok, now i did dist-upgrade and pray...
[01:50] <harrowed> pray to torvalds!
[01:50] <combo> it is when i'm opening /home/user then this alert appear
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> make that Shuttleworth
[01:51] <harrowed> pray to ubotu!
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> combo: ah..... and konqueror doesn't show anything?
[01:51] <combo> nosrednaekim: that's right
[01:51] <combo> only bland  grey area
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> combo: had the same problem... forget how I solved it..
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> combo: definately file a bug
[01:52] <combo> nosrednaekim: no! crap! :(
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: you really don't want to run kde4 yet
[01:52] <d3ce1t> harrowed: well :)) I have just discover what mean MUD client now, so thankss :P
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: it's not useable
[01:52] <feierfox> i pray to tux
[01:52] <ubuntu_> 0_o
[01:52] <harrowed> d3ce1t: LOL Old school!
[01:52] <mario_> hi you all
[01:52] <uga> harrowed: unless you're coding apps, that is
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: in sutsy, KDE4 is in universe
[01:52] <harrowed> uga: But.. but.. Feisty can run it :D
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> *gutsy
[01:53] <uga> harrowed: can run what, a desktop, a broken icon list on bottom and a cool fx? =)
[01:53] <harrowed> nosrednaekim: Tah :D
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> combo: so you can't do ANY filemanagement with konqueror?
[01:53] <combo> nosrednaekim: hmm... it is also written in another alert that MIME types are NOT installed
[01:53] <harrowed> uga: Try running beryl on 32 meg nvidia legacy :P
[01:53] <combo> nosrednaekim: it looks so
[01:53] <uga> harrowed: I've used beryl on 128MB 4year old cards just fine
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> combo: mimetypes are not installed.... hmmm did any upgrades or such?
[01:54] <uga> worked and stable
[01:54] <combo> nosrednaekim: maybe it is caused i deleted something from home dir
[01:54] <uga> kde4 won't
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> combo: what did you delete?
[01:54] <harrowed> uga: I'm talking 1999 TNT2 NVidia 32 Meg :D
[01:54] <combo> i had GNOME before and i though that i can deletes some UN-USED folder from gnome if i have KDE now
[01:55] <combo> nosrednaekim: and as it seems now those folders where non-unused :/
[01:55] <mario_> bye...
[01:55] <harrowed> combo: Did it explode?
[01:55] <combo> harrowed: eee... what ? :] 
[01:55] <combo> nothing exploded
[01:55] <combo> ;P
[01:55] <harrowed> combo: yet
[01:55] <combo> nosrednaekim: but i think i can have those folders in trash..hoply
[01:56] <combo> trash..doesn't want to open :D
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> combo: try getting the filemanager dolphin... should be in the repositories
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> !info dolphin
[01:56] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[01:56] <uga> 20% of kdelibs done... unbeleivable
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> uga: KDE4?
[01:56] <combo> nosrednaekim: but i have those foders in trash! can resotre them simply
[01:56] <uga> yes
[01:56] <combo> nosrednaekim: it will be easier... :)
[01:57] <uga> 30% =)
[01:57] <uga> I love the new box ;)
[01:57] <harrowed> uga: Pffftb
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> combo: I'm saying... install dolphin so that you can easily cpoy them over
[01:57] <combo> where is ./trash folder normally ?
[01:57] <uga> harrowed: =)
[01:57] <combo> nosrednaekim: right :D
[01:57] <harrowed> combo: root folder
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> combo: /home/username/.local/trash I think
[01:57] <uga> now if only I could monitor cpu temperature...
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> uga: you can...
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !sensors | uga
[01:58] <uga> anybody had asus p5k boards monitored?
[01:58] <ubotu> uga: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[01:58] <harrowed> Err /.trash something on non-ext2/3 fs
[01:58] <uga> nosrednaekim: couldn't get it to work here
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> uga: ah.... ok. Always worked for me on my AMDs..
[01:58] <uga> it worked on my previous intel board too
[01:58] <uga> but not here
[01:58] <uga> :/
[01:59] <harrowed> uga: Stoofed :D
[01:59] <uga> harrowed: 70% =)
[01:59] <uga> and building from scratch
[01:59] <uga> ie, no previously built files
[01:59] <harrowed> uga: Missed a word, get stoofed :D
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> uga: you have a Raptor in that thing or something?
[01:59] <uga> harrowed: I understood :P
[02:00] <uga> nosrednaekim: new box... core2 quad 2.44
[02:00] <uga> and running make -j4
[02:00] <uga> does the work nicely ;)
[02:00] <harrowed> uga: He's probably running a clone of that $2500 US Supercomputer at home :D
[02:00] <uga> harrowed: lol
[02:00] <harrowed> err that was to nosrednaekim :D
[02:00] <combo> nosrednaekim: i can see those folders now: it is: emerald, evolution, frostwire, kiba-dock, loki, stratagus, wapi, xchat, logs, warcraft... before i had ubuntu with compiz
[02:00] <harrowed> 26 Gflops! OMG
[02:01] <uga> harrowed: 1keur, selected bought piece by piece
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: Turion X2..... a super computer 15 years ago ;)
[02:01] <combo> nosrednaekim: it doesn't look at important folders, does ti ? :)
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> combo: what?
[02:01] <harrowed> uga: So where's my burn in build :D
[02:01] <combo> those folders i deleted from home dir
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> what doesn't look at them?
[02:02] <combo> nosrednaekim: i thought that thanks those folders konqurer doesn;t work anymore
[02:02] <combo> nosrednaekim: those folders do not look at system-necessary-folders
[02:02] <harrowed> combo: Your konquerer's conked out. Dolphin's just an alternate
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: *K*oncked ;)
[02:03] <combo> harrowed: can i reinstall my system - but formatt only / partition and /home leave alone without formattin' ? is this possible?
[02:03] <combo> is konqurer gonna work ?
[02:04] <uga> this is what I get when trying to insmod the sensor module: FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): No such device
[02:04] <combo> i mean ... delete all folders from /home/username except my personal and reinstall system ?
[02:04] <combo> nosrednaekim: is this possible ? ;P
[02:04] <harrowed> combo: if you did it all manuallly yeah
[02:04] <combo> harrowed: and kub will add its system folders to my /home/ automaticlly ?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> combo: that would not be very smart... lets try to find my problem. Sure its possible.. but its not easiest ;)
[02:05] <combo> aithout deleting those rest folders  ;>
[02:05] <harrowed> combo: I'd not recomend it. Just split the free space and move the /home/ there
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> s/my/your
[02:05] <combo> nosrednaekim: ehhh.... :] 
[02:05] <harrowed> sed be damned nos :D
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> combo: try reinstalling konqueror (you can do it within adept)
[02:06] <combo> nosrednaekim: just remove it and then install again ?
[02:06] <harrowed> combo: Select reinstall option
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> combo: I think there is a "reinstall" option
[02:06] <combo> harrowed: understood
[02:07] <azali> i wanna say ubuntu rules
[02:07] <harrowed> nosrednaekim: There is in Synaptic.. Can't recall if in Adept
[02:07] <harrowed> azali: ^_^
[02:07] <azali> especially after windows
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> harrowed: yeah I  use synaptic myself
[02:08] <harrowed> The dependancy checkup/add in Adept's a pain :(
[02:08] <harrowed> YEY! It hsa request Reinstall :D
[02:09] <harrowed> s/hsa/has/ :D
[02:10] <uga> strange... I know for sure the board includes the W83627DHG
[02:11] <uga> maybe a buggy module?
[02:11] <harrowed> uga: Does it return anything directly reading it?
[02:11] <uga> harrowed: how am I supposed to do that?
[02:12] <harrowed> uga: Not sure if you have it listed under /dev's :D
[02:12] <uga> it's an i2c interface. No idea how to read those i2cs...
[02:12] <uga> but first the module should be loaded, so that it interfaces to the /dev
[02:13] <uga> and it fails doing so
[02:13] <harrowed> Could be buggy drivers?
[02:13] <harrowed> Restricted Hardware? or Kernel?
[02:13] <uga> "Since kernel 2.6.21 and 2.6.22, the w83627dhg support and the coretemp driver respectively ."
[02:13] <uga> okay... stooopid kernel version ;)
[02:13] <uga> why even include the module if it doesn't work :P
[02:14] <harrowed> uga: So you can manualy recompile it :D
[02:14] <harrowed> Same with Webcam's :D
[02:14] <uga> pfff. I don't feel like buildng my own kernel again. I did so for ages in gentoo. Now that I was happy with kubuntu kernels.... :P
[02:15] <uga> harrowed: any chances the gutsy kernels are working fine on feisty? :P
[02:15] <uga> and that I'll be able to install them fine without them trashing my current kernel? :)
[02:15] <harrowed> uga: You'd need to install the dep's but I don't see why not :)
[02:16] <uga> well, the kernel shouldn't have many deps. The modules, maybe
[02:16] <uga> I'll need the sources too, but that's about it
[02:16] <uga> my worry is if it'll try to reconfigure my grub
[02:16] <harrowed> remount /boot non-write
[02:17] <uga> no boot partition :/
[02:17] <uga> just /
[02:17] <harrowed> Ooow default partition setting oh so bad.. EXT3? Evil Journaling :)
[02:17] <uga> my way of partitioning has been /, /home/, swap, and some externs
[02:17] <uga> harrowed: LOL
[02:18] <uga> I stopped using a boot partition from the times... mandrake was it?... kept installing everything there, and ended up filling the partition... and... it wouldn't boot anymore
[02:18] <harrowed> Go! :D / /boot/ /home/ /opt/ /lib
[02:18] <harrowed> Forget /opt now YEY! Maybe even a /usr :D
[02:18] <uga> uh? why split lib, and opt
[02:19] <uga> from /
[02:19] <harrowed> Coz my dev build goes crazy with libs!
[02:19] <uga> lol
[02:19] <harrowed> speically if not backwards *so glad I'm away from gnomie!*
[02:20] <uga> ugh, anyone knows the structure of repositories?
[02:20] <uga> where are the main debs meant to be?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: pool I think
[02:20] <uga> ah, cheers. There they are
[02:21] <harrowed>  /ubuntu/archive/pool/main/
[02:21] <harrowed> Doh
[02:22] <uga> heh, and.. possibly a silly question... what's the diff between a *.udeb and a *.deb?
[02:22] <harrowed> One has a u in front of it?
[02:22] <uga> lol
[02:22] <soon> I've just installed a Gutsy release candidate ... when the final Gutsy is released, will the release candidate be upgraded (via Adept) or do I need to re-install ???
[02:22] <harrowed> soon: Always be able to update! :D
[02:23] <harrowed> soon: No dist-upgrade necessary for us!
[02:23] <Jucato> er.. dist-upgrade....
[02:23] <Jucato> (the default actions in Synaptic and Adept are dist-upgrade
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> .udeb....hmmm maybe its a deb thats on a ubuntu liveCD?
[02:24] <soon> so ... what youre saying is ... If I just keep running the current installation, it will be upgraded to the final release - I need do nothing more than daily adept upgrades - yes?
[02:25] <Jucato> soon: exactly
[02:25] <harrowed> soon: Yup..  Same as bleeding edge builds
[02:25] <soon> thx
[02:25] <Jucato> you can upgrade daily to the release
[02:26] <uga> harrowed: btw, adept_manager shows the source from where the packs were installed
[02:26] <uga> which means it's easy to find them in the repos
[02:26] <wers> !paste
[02:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:26] <harrowed> So tempted to move the Install CD to a USB with a updating pool of packages... That Beta5 update was evil :)
[02:26] <ubuntu> hello how do you encode an mpeg 2 dixv avi?
[02:27] <harrowed> ubuntu: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/divx_linux_guide.html
[02:27] <wers> I can't access MySQL as root http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38339/
[02:28] <wers> what do I do?
[02:30] <harrowed> wers: run mysqladmin and set root's password
[02:31] <harrowed> sudo mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password'
[02:31] <ubuntu> I am just a normal user who can a few commands out of its mindXD
[02:31] <Skiff> SkiffX
[02:32] <harrowed> sudo mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'new-password'          or if using real hostnames
[02:32] <wers> I tried it harrowed but "error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'"
[02:33] <harrowed> wers: Personally I'd drop the databases and force them to re-write from scratch
[02:33] <wers> harrowed, how do I do that?
[02:33] <harrowed> wers: carefully
[02:34] <uga> harrowed: uhm.. kde4 is becoming better ;)
[02:34] <uga> (jk)
[02:34] <harrowed> uga: *bite* B'stage :D
[02:34] <uga> harrowed: plasma seems to have moved elsewhere, or widgets aren't loading...
[02:34] <uga> so no, not looking very good right now
[02:34] <uga> but the style got a few fixes I loved. It was really ugly before
[02:35] <uga> and finally the kwin deco got fixed
[02:35] <wers> harrowed, here's the thing: I was trying to make my amarok use mySQL by following this article--> http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-to-set-up-mysql-database-in-amarok.html
[02:35] <wers> after entering some commands, at some point, I screwed up
[02:37] <harrowed> wers: now this (replace PASSWORD with your password) <- Did you do that? replacing it with your own pass?
[02:37] <wers> I did that
[02:38] <harrowed> wers: Then you need to enter your password as that command that follows changes the root password for MySQL
[02:38] <harrowed> wers: mysqladmin -u root password PASSWORD <- is telling MySQL to use username, 'root', and set their password to PASSWORD
[02:39] <harrowed> Hehe uga killed X I think :D
[02:39] <wers> yep.. I know that.. but whenever I enter that code with my password...
[02:39] <wers> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[02:40] <harrowed> wers: (using password: NO) you weren't using a pass for it it says
[02:40] <deviance> Can I turn off window resizing when its maximized?
[02:43] <harrowed> deviance: sorry I'm no help with interface features atm.. :(
[02:48] <uga|away> harrowed: almost
[02:48] <uga|away> /home/uga# sensors
[02:48] <uga|away> w83627dhg-i2c-9191-290
[02:48] <uga|away>  ERROR: Can't get adapter or algorithm?!?
[02:48] <harrowed> uga: WB
[02:49] <uga> I managed booting the gutsy kernel. Now I may know how to fix gutsy's boot... just disabling the splash...
[02:49] <uga> at least that gets you a terminal. And ignore the vga commands. Default
[02:49] <uga> no vga=791 as I was doing. Else you get no terminal at all
[02:50] <uga> harrowed: any idea what that message means?
[02:50] <uga> I need a newer lm-sensors pack, maybe?
[02:51] <harrowed> uga: It detects it though.. Why wouldn't it  respond
[02:52] <harrowed> uga: You running it as a module or did you recompile the kernel?
[02:52] <uga> yes, now the module loads fine, it seems. But it looks as if it cannot decode the information
[02:52] <uga> harrowed: running the gutsy kernel with gutsy modules
[02:52] <harrowed> uga: Is it turned on in the bios?
[02:52] <uga> on feisty
[02:52] <uga> harrowed: it should be, since the bios can show temperatures
[02:52] <Jucato> !aptitude > wers
[02:53] <harrowed> uga: Why not just go the she-bang :D
[02:53] <uga> shewhat? =)
[02:53] <harrowed> uga: gutsy! :D
[02:53] <uga> I got no time for women today. I got a real crappy flu
[02:53] <uga> =)
[02:53] <uga> oh, gutsy
[02:54] <uga> harrowed: because I had a real bad experience with it yesterday
[02:54] <uga> I want to do tests first
[02:54] <harrowed> uga: I don't think you're going to get it unless you do a source build of kernel :(
[02:54] <bahr> Hi there. I have a Dell Dimension 9150 with a Geforce 6800 Graphics Card, which I would like to get 3d accel support for. I've tried to install the nvidia drivers according to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia but when I restart X, it just goes black and I get the Kubuntu Load Screen with the blue progress bar. Can someone help me please?
[02:54] <harrowed> Rather then module
[02:54] <bahr> oh and I am running 7.04
[02:54] <harrowed> bahr: Any onboard video card?
[02:54] <uga> harrowed: uh? I'm running the gutsy kernel image. And gutsy modules
[02:54] <bahr> harrowed: no
[02:54] <uga> the module seems to be working, just the sensor utils don't seem to
[02:55] <uga> trying to bulid lm-sensors, here
[02:55] <harrowed> uga: KK.. You got the newer header's for it?
[02:55] <bahr> bahr:  weird thing is that it has worked in a previous kubuntu installation I made once, but now suddenly it doesn't even though I used the exact same procedure
[02:55] <bahr> eh oops that was not ment for myself lol
[02:55] <uga> harrowed: installing them now
[02:56] <harrowed> bahr: LOL.. Ok.. WHich one did you isntall? nvidia-new or?
[02:57] <harrowed> bahr: Ignore that you have to run nvidia-glx anyway
[02:57] <bahr> harrowed: ok, well I installed nvidia-glx as it said in the guide
[02:58] <harrowed> bahr: What does lspci | grep PCI say?
[02:59] <bahr> it says:
[02:59] <bahr> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL PCI Express Root Port
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH/GHM (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 01)
[02:59] <bahr> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
[02:59] <harrowed> 82801 onboard ethernet?
[02:59] <Jucato> !flood | bahr
[02:59] <ubotu> bahr: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:00] <bahr> oh sorry ...
[03:00] <uga> harrowed: =(  linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed
[03:00] <harrowed> uga: Ewww not dev build!
[03:00] <EmanueleT> Hello
[03:01] <Santiago> hola
[03:01] <EmanueleT> I've installed Kubuntu yesterday, and I'm trying to make suspend to disk working
[03:01] <harrowed> bahr: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure "nvidia" not "nv" is set.
[03:01] <uga> harrowed: now that I know how to fix the boot, I could try upgrading, but I'm totally scared ;))
[03:01] <Santiago> cual era el codigo de kubuntu es?
[03:01] <harrowed> uga: JFS... :D
[03:01] <uga> Santiago: este canal es de habla inglesa...
[03:02] <Jucato> !es | Santiago
[03:02] <Santiago> si. me di cuenta
[03:02] <ubotu> Santiago: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:02] <EmanueleT> I've a nvidia card... I followed the howtos, but I've still this issue: the laptop hibernates fine, but when I resume it, a black screen appears and it starts blinking!
[03:02] <bahr> harrowed: I don't have it installed now, this is a fresh installation of kubuntu again, but I already did that last time. Didn't work either
[03:02] <harrowed> bahr: There's numerous lil ways to get it.. I had to not install defaults to get mine and then add GLX with Composite work-arounds
[03:03] <uga> harrowed: uh? dont' tell me gutsy uses JFS as default FS ;)
[03:03] <harrowed> bahr: Best bet is, remember CTRL+ALT+Backspace = Kills X.
[03:03] <harrowed> ext3 is JFS *bop*
[03:03] <bahr> harrowed: yeah but the really odd thing is, that it actually did work twice, following the procedure on the wiki, but suddenly it does not choose to work.
[03:04] <harrowed> bahr: Unusual.. Backup the /etc/X11/xorg.conf once it works once to your user's home directory
[03:04] <bahr> harrowed: yeah but that does not work when the kubuntu load screen comes up, it just hangs, and I need to restart kdm and copy my xorg.backup file before I can login again
[03:04] <harrowed> bahr: Sometimes an update xserver-xorg will re-write it.
[03:05] <harrowed> bahr: Goto console, sudo ps aux | grep kdm
[03:05] <harrowed> bahr: kill -9 PID's of each KDM
[03:05] <harrowed> Then test with startx bypassing KDM
[03:05] <uga> harrowed: if you can't localise me back in less than 24h, call the police. I got stuck with gutsy ;))
[03:05] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO
[03:06] <uga> 1233 upgraded, 197 newly installed, 16 to remove and 3 not upgrade
[03:06] <harrowed> Let's see.. Skype call to .. your country? 24 hours time? to laugh? :D
[03:06] <Vaas> ne1 knows when (k)ubuntu install dmraid?
[03:06] <bahr> harrowed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38352/
[03:06] <uga> this will take some time...
[03:06] <Vaas> ne1 knows when (k)ubuntu install support dmraid?
[03:06] <harrowed> bahr: Ok try this.. sudo ps aux | grep X
[03:07] <uga> !wtflang |Vaas
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtflang - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:07] <uga> uhm... yeah, not even ubotu can understand that lang ;)
[03:07] <harrowed> uga: You're game not installing it from scratch :D
[03:08] <bahr> harrowed: then I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38354/
[03:08] <harrowed> bahr: Carefull as it'll kill all X sessions
[03:08] <uga> harrowed: this time I'll make a bootable gutsy CD before I reboot ;))
[03:08] <harrowed> uga: Why not make a bootable USB :D
[03:08] <harrowed> Ugh! 2nd time KDE's died again
[03:08] <uga> the ones that I made while inside gutsy (with cdrecord) turned out non-bootable
[03:09] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO.. bad /dev/cdrom? :D
[03:09] <Alp`> hi there
[03:09] <harrowed> or /dev/cdrom0 :D
[03:09] <harrowed> Alp`: Howdy
[03:09] <uga> harrowed: /dev/cdrw ;)
[03:10] <harrowed> uga: Why don't they use dvdrwdl :D
[03:10] <uga> harrowed: as you can see, I had quite a bit of fun trying to fix gutsy before ;)
[03:10] <Alp`> i need some help. i installed krusader because i dont like konqueror. now i want to make krusader the default filemanager. if i do this, it doesnt work. it just loads some second and disappears
[03:10] <uga> I'm not one of those that gives up after 5 mins of not booting
[03:10] <uga> up
[03:11] <harrowed> uga: So did I .. Packages dying all the time until I rebooted and told dpkg -a --configure :D
[03:11] <wers> harrowed, I purged my mysql server but http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38353/
[03:11] <harrowed> wers sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[03:12] <harrowed> eerr mysqld sorry
[03:12] <Alp`> i am able to start krusader normally, but it doesnt work if i change the default program for the mimetype inode/directory to krusader
[03:12] <wers> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[03:12] <harrowed> sudo /etc/init.d/my<tab>
[03:12] <bahr> maybe I should try just to install all updates now, and then try to install by following the wiki again and see if I'm lucky this time :-S
[03:12] <uga> harrowed: so it actually booted for you? :P
[03:13] <uga> I hope this one works without hand building asus drivers
[03:13] <harrowed> uga: Yup yup.. On a PIII800 with 512 ram :D
[03:13] <uga> LOL
[03:13] <wers> Usage: /etc/init.d/mysql start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|status
[03:13] <uga> harrowed: what about next release of ubuntu... a spectrum zx? :P
[03:13] <harrowed> wers so /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[03:14] <harrowed> uga: No.. Quantum :D
[03:14] <uga> lol
[03:14] <uga> harrowed: I'm sure soon we'll get to see 8 and 16 core cpus
[03:14] <harrowed> uga: Or a clone of that $2500 US Supercomputer :D
[03:15] <uga> it pays mostly on multitasking though
[03:15] <harrowed> uga: Already got Mobo's supporting 64 cores.. go figure
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> hello! I have a weird ongoing problem with my laptop
[03:15] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Describe away
[03:15] <uga> harrowed: wha?
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> it's much slower when it's plugged into the wall outlet
[03:15] <uga> what mobos =)
[03:15] <harrowed> uga: IBM Server rackmounts
[03:15] <lordofthepigs> And CPU usage is much higher when plugged than when unplugged
[03:15] <wers> harrowed:  * Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.
[03:15] <uga> harrowed: lol, I thought you meant a mobile pc (laptop) =)
[03:16] <uga> harrowed: I mean for the desktop anyway, ie, "normal" intel and amd cpus
[03:16] <lordofthepigs> When I boot my Laptop unplugged, it boots about 2 to 3 times faster than when it's plugged
[03:16] <harrowed> wers: Ouch.. You purged all the tables?
[03:16] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: have you checked the settings for guidance-power-manager?
[03:16] <harrowed> uga: Pfftb
[03:16] <uga> harrowed: not kidding. If they went 4 cores this quickly, soon next year we'll see the 8 core cpus
[03:16] <uga> and 16 very soon too
[03:16] <lordofthepigs> well, when plugged, the power manager says "dynamic", when unplugged it says powersave
[03:17] <uga> harrowed: it'll be even worse than the megapix0r race in digital cameras ;)
[03:17] <uga> who got more cores?
[03:17] <lordofthepigs> Jucato: That's all I know about the settings
[03:17] <harrowed> uga: Tier'd with layers :D
[03:18] <lordofthepigs> anyway, the power manager would kick in quite late in the boot process wouldn0't it?
[03:18] <harrowed> uga: 64 core, by purchasing 8x8 core wafers
[03:18] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: right-click on the power manager icon and configure it. I think there are settings for what profile to use when plugged or unplugged
[03:18] <harrowed> Jucato: But he's talking about booting process.. Isn't that HAL?
[03:18] <lordofthepigs> It's before HAL is even loaded
[03:19] <Jucato> harrowed: he was talking about power profiles earlier
[03:19] <uga> harrowed: my wondering is if they'll manage to make real 4 core ones, first. Current intel 4 cores aren't really 4 equal cores. Rather 2x2core cpus
[03:19] <lordofthepigs> I always get a message saying "Intel RNG something something" at boot time
[03:19] <uga> not as efficient as 4 tightly linked cores
[03:19] <lordofthepigs> when my laptop boots while unplugged, the message appears after 24 seconds (consistently)
[03:19] <harrowed> cat /var/log/messages | grep Intel
[03:19] <harrowed> ooops
[03:19] <uga> lol
[03:20] <lordofthepigs> but when it boots while plugged in, It appears after 75 seconds
[03:20] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: Is that for me?
[03:20] <uga> harrowed: please enter password:
[03:20] <uga> =)
[03:20] <harrowed> uga: red-faced-aussie :D
[03:20] <uga> =))
[03:20] <EmanueleT> Anyone has an idea?
[03:20] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: It'd be too long lordofthepigs to parse the messages
[03:20] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Sorry didn't even see a message?
[03:21] <EmanueleT> harrowed: [15:02]  <EmanueleT> I've a nvidia card... I followed the howtos, but I've still this issue: the laptop hibernates fine, but when I resume it, a black screen appears and it starts blinking!
[03:21] <uga> anyway, gotta have a rest. This flu doesn't let me stay up much, and the upgrade will take at least 1h more
[03:21] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: Actually, I get 5 lines...
[03:21] <harrowed> EmanueleT: I had that too.. PSU isn't ACPI(sp) compliant
[03:22] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: go figure...
[03:22] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: nano it and search for those lines, check messages +/-5 lines
[03:22] <EmanueleT> harrowed: so, what can I do? It used to work with other distributions
[03:23] <lordofthepigs> I'll just describe another symptom.
[03:23] <lordofthepigs> I was playing OpenTTD today, with the laptop unplugged on "powersave" mode, and the CPU usage was hovering around 15%
[03:23] <harrowed> EmanueleT: The screen blinks? or the onbutton blinks?
[03:23] <pookey> hey all - what do I want to put for the source of a kubuntu debootstrap?
[03:24] <lordofthepigs> I almost ran out of power, plugged it in the wall outlet, and manually switched to powersaving mode
[03:24] <harrowed> pookey: grub-install (hd0)?
[03:24] <lordofthepigs> and suddenly the power usage was now erratically hovering at around 80%
[03:24] <pookey> harrowed: I don't think you understood the question..
[03:25] <harrowed> pookey: :D You want the first entry from the bootstrap? or
[03:25] <EmanueleT> harrowed: the screen blinks
[03:25] <harrowed> EmanueleT: That's kind of worrying me.
[03:25] <pookey> harrowed: well, basically, the graphical installer won't install to the partition I want because it insists on formatting it (I don't want to loose my old install in /gentoo and I have no where to back up to), so I want ot install manually via debootstrap
[03:25] <EmanueleT> harrowed: very quickly, and it stops only when I press Ctr+Alt+Backspace or Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:26] <EmanueleT> harrowed: could it be because I use nvagp, but the intelagp module is still loaded?
[03:26] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Eeep.. You have to kill X to get it to stop?
[03:26] <pookey> harrowed: so I'm just looking for the command to run, which I imagine is 'debootstrap --arch i386 feisty /mnt/gentoo/  <URL>'
[03:27] <harrowed> pookey: I could only cat the CDIMage boot line sadly :(
[03:27] <lordofthepigs> I can't find the specific message I'm referring to in /var/log/messages
[03:27] <pookey> I assume if I install ubuntu, I can switch to kubuntu easily?
[03:27] <lordofthepigs> but it can't be the root of the problem anyway, can It? I mean the boot process until the appearance of this message already is 3 times slower
[03:28] <lordofthepigs> pookey: yeah, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <harrowed> pookey: Some problems with errative behavior though..
[03:28] <pookey> harrowed: meaning?
[03:29] <harrowed> pookey: http://mikesubuntu.blogspot.com/ <- Tried as was suggested but found it erratic
[03:29] <pookey> I wish the installed didn't insist on formatting /, that's so stupid :|
[03:31] <harrowed> pookey: Can't you resize the partition with Gentoo still? and then move /gentoo to a new mount location?
[03:32] <pookey> harrowed: then I'd have to resize it again after, it's a lot of hastle and time wasting - I consider this a bug in the installer
[03:32] <pookey> I'd understand if it was a warning, but it's an error that you cna't get past
[03:32] <harrowed> pookey: Sadly I would too.. :)
[03:32] <ice-phoenix> hi do someone know how to run photoshop cs3 ?
[03:33] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Only via Wine
[03:33] <pookey> or of course, dualboot to windows, like I do ;)
[03:33] <harrowed> pookey: debootstrap --arch i386 feisty /ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu feisty
[03:34] <lordofthepigs> Would there be any reason why SystemGuard shows my CPU utilisation at around 50%, while top adds up to 5%
[03:34] <pookey> harrowed: fantastic!
[03:34] <lordofthepigs> I know this is also related to this weird power problem
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[03:34] <pookey> harrowed: however... 'E: No such script: feisty'
[03:35] <lordofthepigs> it's really strange, whatever power settings I chose when I run my laptop unplugged, everything is fine
[03:35] <harrowed> pookey: crap.. one sec let me find a try from here :: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[03:35] <lordofthepigs> but whatever power setting I chose when it's plugged, and I get weird CPU usage reading
[03:36] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: You can't get Wine to run Photoshop CS3?
[03:36] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Could it be faulty readin? What does TOP usage say?
[03:36] <lordofthepigs> top says about 2%
[03:36] <lordofthepigs> but the CPU is really getting that hot
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> I mean it's really getting as hot as if it was running at 50% load
[03:37] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: I'd check some of the packages.. You run a cleanup recently?
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> Oh, no wait a sec
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> top says that
[03:38] <pookey> harrowed: probably easier if  I find an external HDD from somewhere, and just backup my system - I tihnk I'll report a bug about this thoug
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[03:38] <lordofthepigs> geez, How do I copy text from top...
[03:38] <lordofthepigs> ?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> lordofthepigs: you cant
[03:39] <gnomefreak> it jumps around too much
[03:39] <uga> harrowed: no, neither wine nor the crossover will run new versions of photoshop
[03:39] <lordofthepigs> ok
[03:39] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: LOL .. top > output.txt | killall -9 top
[03:39] <uga> somebody should ban adobe in the linux world
[03:39] <ice-phoenix> :)
[03:39] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Run gimp! The gimp suit owns :D
[03:39] <gnomefreak> uga: please keep it support realated
[03:40] <uga> gnomefreak: sorry, sure. I was just trying to avoid somebody from wasting the time with wine and photoshop... no idea who asked
[03:40] <harrowed> ooops lordofthepigs don't run that.. do a top > output.txt && killall -9 top
[03:40] <harrowed> uga: ice-phoenix asked
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[03:41] <uga> ice-phoenix: your best options are krita/digikam-showfoto/bibble
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> okay, top does says that on the summary line
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> Cpu(s): 40.0%us,  5.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 55.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:41] <uga> gimp is limited to 8 bi tprocessing
[03:41] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: Run the alterations of gimp to use PS shortcuts .. there's a guide with a script preconfigured
[03:41] <lordofthepigs> but the list of processes really adds up to 2-3%
[03:42] <ice-phoenix> <harrowed > tnx
[03:42] <lordofthepigs> when unplugged, top return that
[03:42] <lordofthepigs> Cpu(s):  1.0%us,  1.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 97.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[03:42] <harrowed> gnomefreak: Can you think of any reason why a laptop would boot faster without being plugged into wall than with?
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> and the list of processes add up to exactly 2.7%
[03:43] <uga> harrowed: I had that with my old lappie
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> which is correct
[03:43] <uga> nto sure why, but it'd run everything slower when unplugged
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> uga: yeah that's my current problem
[03:43] <uga> harrowed: maybe it went on some stepping mode. It was a k6-2
[03:43] <gnomefreak> harrowed: other than your electricity restricting it no
[03:43] <lordofthepigs> Mine is a Pentium M
[03:43] <uga> lordofthepigs: it may be related to acpi if it's supported
[03:44] <harrowed> gnomefreak: Hmm.. Yeah that's lordofthepigs' problem atm :(
[03:44] <harrowed> uga: I already suggested that :(
[03:44] <uga> lordofthepigs: power saving
[03:44] <gnomefreak> only thing i can think of
[03:44] <harrowed> ice-phoenix: had hibernation problems with monitor with Ubuntu too
[03:44] <lordofthepigs> uga: did you look at the strange numbers 'top' returns
[03:44] <gnomefreak> power saving would slow down even without it plugged in
[03:44] <uga> lordofthepigs: wow, completely iddle?
[03:44] <uga> idle
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> yeah
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> so it's pretty bad when plugged in
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> but normal when unplugged
[03:45] <harrowed> BRB.. KDE's died and still not returning
[03:45] <uga> the other way around, you mean?
[03:45] <harrowed> Killing X
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> uga: no, this way
[03:45] <uga> lordofthepigs: so it goes slow when plugged?
[03:45] <uga> that's really strange
[03:45] <lordofthepigs> yeah
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> I think so too...
[03:46] <uga> I'd suggest digging google for the laptop model or its motherboard, or disabling acpi
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> I dual boot windows, and windows has no problem with that
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> so I don't think that would be the problem
[03:46] <uga> I believe you can do that from the grub line. Something like acpi=off
[03:46] <uga> if that works, then you know it's acpi related
[03:46] <lordofthepigs> hmm... what does acpi do exactly?
[03:47] <uga> lordofthepigs: Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[03:47] <uga> it controls suspending, restarting, cpu stepping...
[03:47] <uga> all power related stuff
[03:47] <lordofthepigs> uga: do you have any idea where the used CPU% that is unaccounted for by 'top's process list can be spent?
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> Oh, and suspending doesn't work either
[03:48] <uga> no, not really. Idle means it's just nop'ing possibly
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> well... It suspends correctly
[03:48] <lordofthepigs> but it never revives
[03:48] <harrowed> it leaves a nasty corpse? ewww
[03:49] <uga> lordofthepigs: when it goes bad, you could try cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling
[03:49] <uga> that will tell you if acpi or something has put the cpu into slower mode
[03:49] <uga> there's tons of information you can get under /proc/acpi, btw
[03:49] <harrowed> I'd be reinstalling ACPI services..
[03:50] <cidco> Anyone know why when i try to stream video over wireless it wants to copy the file first then start playing? it seems to be something new.
[03:50] <uga> harrowed: it may be just a broken implementation of acpi in the laptop
[03:50] <uga> it used to be common in the past
[03:50] <uga> thanks to the broken implementation of w98
[03:50] <harrowed> cidco: Try streaming with VLC?
[03:50] <feierfox> so
[03:50] <harrowed> wb feierfox!
[03:50] <feierfox> how to check, that i'm "gutsy"?
[03:50] <cidco> harrowed: yes i right click on the file and open with vlc
[03:51] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL.. You too! Muhahaha
[03:51] <cidco> it still begins to copy
[03:51] <feierfox> :D
[03:51] <lordofthepigs_> uga: My laptop is an Asus, about 2 years old
[03:51] <lordofthepigs_> does Asus have any bad reputation for that kind of stuff?
[03:51] <feierfox> i want a proof, how to check?
[03:51] <uga> feierfox: if you type "uname -a" it'll tell you "I'm broken" ;)
[03:51] <uga> that way you'll know it's gutsy ;))
[03:51] <harrowed> cidco: It shouldn't send.. Which build of vlc? vlcwx? or vlc_something else
[03:51] <feierfox> and for serious?
[03:51] <uga> lol, no, obviously not
[03:52] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL... He's installing atm :D
[03:52] <uga> I'll never admit that in court ;)
[03:52] <cidco> harrowed: vlc 0.8.6c
[03:52] <harrowed> 'Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Sep 22 18:14:28 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux'! All Hail gorgeous Gutsy!
[03:53] <cidco> and the strange thing is i swear i have done this before, i do it all the time from my xp laptop
[03:53] <harrowed> cidco: ps ux | grep vlc
[03:53] <lordofthepigs_> uga: one last question: disabling ACPI will definitely forbid me from using the CPU steppings?
[03:54] <harrowed> pci=noacpi in your grub boot will find out
[03:54] <lordofthepigs_> so I won't be able to chose between powersave and performance modes?
[03:54] <feierfox> uname -a shows me only my kernel
[03:54] <cidco> harrowed:  cidco    11238  0.9  1.5 108616 30932 ?        Sl   08:51   0:01 wxvlc
[03:54] <harrowed> cidco: wxvlc SHOULD stream without echo'ing (FTP'ing the file)
[03:54] <harrowed> cidco: No alterations to the VLC stream configuration?
[03:55] <cidco> nope
[03:55] <cidco> just installed it 5 min ago
[03:55] <EmanueleT> harrowed: sorry, my connection stopped working, did you answer me?
[03:55] <cidco> and this laptop was just installed and updated lastnight
[03:55] <feierfox> hmm, how to change my resolution to 1204x..?
[03:55] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Sounds like your problem's same as lordofthepigs .. :(  bad ACPI!
[03:55] <lordofthepigs_> harrowed: Shall I append this at the end of the "kernel: " line?
[03:56] <harrowed> feierfox: Left ALT Keybpad + or is it ctrl can't recall
[03:56] <uga> lordofthepigs_: I think so, yes
[03:56] <uga> I dont' think there's another way. Maybe APM does
[03:56] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: I honestly can't recall :( Woudln't work for me during instalation of Feisty
[03:56] <EmanueleT> harrowed: but... it used to work with openSUSE and Gentoo!
[03:56] <uga> but I don't think many people use APM anymore
[03:56] <lordofthepigs_> How come windows has no problem with at all with my laptop?
[03:56] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Reinstall ACPI?
[03:57] <EmanueleT> harrowed: how?
[03:57] <uga> lordofthepigs_: because all manufacturers make sure the laptop works fine on windows, or they provide drivers so that it does
[03:57] <harrowed> lordofthepigs_: Coz the machine's made with windows xp in mind to their specs
[03:57] <lordofthepigs_> right, that makes sense
[03:57] <EmanueleT> harrowed: you mean the Hardware ACPI firmware, or the ACPI software?
[03:57] <harrowed> EmanueleT: The service
[03:57] <uga> lordofthepigs_: initially all pc makers made a buggy implementation of acpi. You know why? funny, because somebody in Microsoft introduced a bug in win98's acpi code
[03:57] <harrowed> EmanueleT: You should reinstall the package.. Make sure it's not been dmg'd
[03:58] <uga> lordofthepigs_: so that all manufacturers "fixed" their acpi in the boards, so that it worked for windows 98
[03:58] <uga> when acpi was meant to be a specced thing by intel
[03:58] <bottiger> Suddenly my two Kubuntu-boxes fails to connect to the internet. However, it works fine from windows. How do you start debugging something like this?
[03:58] <EmanueleT> harrowed: sorry... dmg?
[03:59] <Skiff> SkiffX
[03:59] <harrowed> feierfox: If it's not configured previously then you may have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the Display properly
[03:59] <harrowed> EmanueleT: Damaged
[03:59] <Lunar_Lamp> What file must I edit to load a module on boot?
[03:59] <harrowed> bottiger: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 :D
[03:59] <uga> Lunar_Lamp: /etc/modules
[03:59] <harrowed> err sudo'ing of course
[04:00] <Lunar_Lamp> uga: lol, oops, completely missed that :-( I thought that's what it was, but browsing for it quickly and I missed the file.
[04:00] <bottiger> harrowed: yes?
[04:00] <harrowed> bottiger: You checked ipconfig and that DHCP isn't failing etc?
[04:01] <harrowed> Eeep
[04:01] <uga> harrowed: you shouldn't use windows that much. ifconfig ;)
[04:01] <bottiger> harrowed: you mean ifconfig?
[04:01] <bottiger> harrowed: then yes - I don't get an IP
[04:01] <uga> bottiger: if you have installed something like ethereal/wireshark, it may help debugging
[04:01] <uga> have you ever used it?
[04:01] <harrowed> bottiger: Router not replying?  And this is new problem?
[04:01] <uga> you could check if it's actually sending anything out
[04:02] <uga> also try running dhclient manuallly and see what it puts to terminal
[04:02] <bottiger> uga: I don't have that
[04:02] <bottiger> harrowed: It started yesterday
[04:02] <bottiger> and as I said - I goes for both my machines
[04:03] <uga> uh.. is the network card actually found?
[04:03] <bottiger> uga: yup
[04:03] <runlevelten> First try an /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:03] <Karti> Just a quick one. What command would I use to mount my mp3 player?
[04:03] <bottiger> runlevelten: done that
[04:03] <runlevelten> :P
[04:03] <lordofthepigs_> What's a DSDT?
[04:03] <runlevelten> Karti: is it an mp3 player you can mount? ie: what one is it?
[04:04] <uga> lordofthepigs_: what context. Acpi?
[04:04] <lordofthepigs_> Now that it seems that ACPI is likely to be the root of the problem, I google a little bit, and I found a few pages saying that ASUS laptops had buggy DSDT
[04:04] <harrowed> Karti: lsusb and finding out if it's detected .. It SHOULD be FAT so you could mount -tvfat /dev/XXXXX /mnt/mp3p
[04:04] <Karti> its a warfedale fm6687
[04:04] <runlevelten> bottiger - and is it a complete loss of connection, a failure to get out of the lan, or just a failure to resolve any hostname (ie ip only)
[04:04] <uga> lordofthepigs_: I believe that's the firmware loaded into the motherboard for implementing acpi
[04:04] <uga> or something like that
[04:05] <bottiger> runlevelten: I'm not sure. how do I find out?
[04:05] <uga> lordofthepigs_: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php
[04:05] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: So check you have latest BIOS?
[04:05] <uga> "what's a dsdt?" there
[04:05] <runlevelten> try pinging the router, then try pinging one of google's IPs, then try pinging google.
[04:05] <runlevelten> which steps fail.
[04:05] <runlevelten> s/\./\?/
[04:05] <bottiger> runlevelten: basicly all I know is: eth0 shows up, restarting it doesn't help. I don't get an IP and therefor google.com doesn't work :)
[04:06] <lordofthepigs_> harrowed: I'm not sure, I never ever flashed it
[04:06] <uga> bottiger: it sounds like a broken dhclient
[04:06] <uga> bottiger: you could try starting up with a liveCD, mount the partitions on /mnt, chroot /mnt, and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:06] <martijn81> bottiger: tried sudo dhclient?
[04:07] <runlevelten> How do you know you don't get an IP?
[04:07] <feierfox> so.. i did a "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[04:07] <uga> ifconfig
[04:07] <feierfox> and now a
[04:07] <feierfox> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:07] <feierfox> i hope now i upgrade not twice :/
[04:07] <uga> feierfox: sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <uga> not upgrade
[04:07] <uga> for updating the list
[04:07] <bottiger> martijn81: now I have - what should I expect?
[04:07] <uga> and dist-upgrade for updating all packs
[04:07] <harrowed> feierfox: LOL
[04:08] <runlevelten> and what do you get for the inet addr bottiger?
[04:08] <feierfox> is he doing it twice now ? :(
[04:08] <martijn81> bottiger: it should probe DHCP on your router/gateway
[04:08] <uga> feierfox: upgrading will only update different packs
[04:08] <harrowed> feierfox: Edit sources list and change them all to gutsy, then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I think it is
[04:08] <uga> it won't update twice the same thing
[04:09] <feierfox> hmm, if he dont upgrade twice, what is he doing the next 1:50 hour? :/
[04:09] <bottiger> martijn81: It returns a lot of: "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval X"
[04:09] <bottiger> ...where x is 4,8,14 or some random number
[04:10] <bottiger> then: "No DHCPOFFERS recieved"
[04:10] <harrowed> Wired Ethernet? or wireless?
[04:10] <martijn81> bottiger: then your router is dead or your network is not configured properly
[04:10] <bottiger> harrowed: wired
[04:11] <harrowed> martijn81: But he can run Winshame fine
[04:11] <martijn81> that IS wierd
[04:11] <martijn81> *weird
[04:11] <bottiger> martijn81: true - I'm chatting from windows
[04:11] <bottiger> unplugging my windowscomputer doesn't help
[04:11] <harrowed> s/windows/winshame!/
[04:11] <bottiger> plugging my linux directly into the modem gives the smae result
[04:11] <lordofthepigs> thank you harrowed, uga, I'm going to try to update my bios
[04:11] <harrowed> bottiger: Maybe the router wont release them :D
[04:12] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Anytime :)
[04:12] <runlevelten> try restarting the router then.
[04:12] <harrowed> bottiger: Turn them all off and turn router off for 10 seconds
[04:12] <runlevelten> assuming it's some black box type affair you're using.
[04:12] <harrowed> then switch back to linux
[04:12] <lordofthepigs> I just hope nothing goes wrong...
[04:12] <lordofthepigs> I don't have a partiularily good experience with flashing bioses...
[04:12] <bottiger> okey - I'll try turning it off
[04:13] <uga> lordofthepigs: ugh, that's scary
[04:13] <uga> (bios upgrading)
[04:13] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: just use a freedos bootdisk :)
[04:13] <bottiger> be back in 2 minutes then :)
[04:13] <wesley> hello hoe do you encode in ffmpeg a mpeg 2 avi
[04:13] <harrowed> wesley: wb :)
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> harrowed: You mean a floppy?
[04:14] <harrowed> wesley: Try doom9.org website
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bah
[04:14] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: You can make them now to boot from CD/USB :)
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bah... anyway, I'm off to try
[04:14] <lordofthepigs> bye
[04:14] <harrowed> lordofthepigs: Cyz
[04:16] <uga> wesley: man ffmpeg is nicely written
[04:16] <bottiger> nope
[04:16] <uga> use the docs!
[04:16] <bottiger> no luck
[04:20] <harrowed> Anyway... going ot crash ^_^ Nigh tall!
[04:20] <uga> if you teach somebody to cook and that guy can feed/teach cooking others, it's better than cooking yourself for 2000 people
[04:20] <harrowed> Have fun with Gutsy uga :D
[04:20] <uga> harrowed: thanks. I hope so ;)
[04:20] <uga> I'll let you know tomorrow........ if I'm online ;)
[04:21] <harrowed> uga: ROFLMAO.. Not that bad :D
[04:21] <harrowed> Pain to update though initially!
[04:21] <harrowed> Easier to do it from Konsole
[04:21] <llutz> uga: problem today is, that most of the noobs are analphabetic fastfood-eaters :(
[04:21] <uga> well, at least this time the kernel seems to have found the network ;)
[04:21] <uga> llutz: lol
[04:21] <harrowed> Night!
[04:21] <harrowed> analphabetic.. got to remember that one :D
[04:22] <llutz> ups, "illiterate"
[04:23] <wesley> i dont get it from ffmpeg doc
[04:23] <uga> wesley: there's examples at the end of the man page
[04:24] <uga> wesley: for example... ffmpeg -i mydivx.avi hugefile.yuv will convert from avi format to yuv
[04:24] <uga> it's not that hard ;)
[04:24] <bahr> I'm looking for an all-use editor, for programming, LaTeX editing, and file editing. I've been recommended emacs and vi, but they are both hard to learn. Can someone recommend which one is best for my use, so that I don't need to waste my time trying out both?
[04:25] <uga> bahr: kate
[04:25] <wesley> yes but i need to convert a mpeg to avi
[04:25] <llutz> bahr: vim, use vim-tutorial to learn basics. it's not that hard.
[04:26] <uga> bahr: for latex alone though, it'll help better if you use something like Kile
[04:26] <uga> it's a great editor
[04:26] <uga> based on kate part, if I'm not wrong
[04:26] <uga> wesley: it's same thing
[04:27] <wesley> okee
[04:27] <uga> input file, output file
[04:27] <uga> ffmpeg is clever and will figure out what you want ;)
[04:27] <bahr> ok well it's not just for LaTeX but also for programming use and simple file editing use I need one
[04:27] <bahr> but I'll take a look at it thanks :)
[04:29] <uga> bahr: for that purpose, use kate. I just meant kile will help you more for latex than normal editor
[04:29] <uga> s
[04:30] <bahr> ah ok
[04:30] <uga> bahr: http://kile.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/snap_autocom
[04:30] <uga> autocompletion of latex sequences, for example
[04:30] <uga> you could also go lyx, but I never liked the solution much. Maybe it has improved
[04:31] <abominius> looks like my bamboo/wacom tablet does not load the module when plugged, i have read all documentation for this, but none resolve my p roblem, any suggestions?
[04:31] <uga> abominius: uhm... you mean it loads fine when unplugged but not otherwise?
[04:32] <uga> if so, you might have to report a bug to the module maintainer
[04:32] <abominius> no, i mean that doesn't load when plugged
[04:32] <uga> but... does it load when unplugged?
[04:32] <abominius> and if i load the module manually, it doesn't recognize the device
[04:32] <abominius> nope
[04:32] <abominius> uga: no
[04:33] <uga> sounds like an unsupported device / broken module, then
[04:33] <wesley> it works and i did found the fault the file name was to long it was Abunai 2007
[04:33] <abominius> in my gentoo works fine with linux_wacom software
[04:33] <abominius> so is supported
[04:33] <uga> what kernel?
[04:33] <uga> gentoo is always adding edge kernels
[04:33] <abominius> 2.6.20 too
[04:34] <Karti> harrowed: It looks like lsusb finds it, Bus 002 Device 008: ID 066f:8000 SigmaTel, Inc.- When I try to mount it as you said onto a folder it says that the device does not exist, do you have any other ideas?
[04:34] <abominius> karthi: DMESG | GREP USB
[04:35] <uga> abominius: you may just need a kernel upgrade, I guess
[04:35] <abominius> sorrty 54 caps
[04:35] <abominius> uga, ok, how i do if is already up-to-date 4 adept?
[04:35] <uga> abominius: what's uname -a?
[04:35] <uga> iirc feisty is 2.6.19
[04:35] <abominius> Linux aboserver 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:36] <uga> uhm... weird
[04:36] <abominius> y
[04:36] <uga> 2.6.20... and gentoo does same
[04:36] <aguitel> anyone have problem with fan in laptos? my fan never stops
[04:36] <uga> maybe they have patched the driver?
[04:36] <Karti> runlevelten: Opps that was for you as harrowed has gone ;)
[04:36] <abominius> dunno
[04:36] <uga> abominius: you could try what I just did. Get into the gutsy mirrors, and install 2.6.22 debs
[04:36] <abominius> anyone get work wacom tablet
[04:36] <abominius> ?
[04:37] <uga> abominius: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/
[04:37] <uga> but I cannot assure such fix will exist
[04:38] <abominius> i'm starting to hate kubuntu.....
[04:38] <uga> abominius: heh. Be patient. Even gentoo had serious bugs ;)
[04:38] <uga> abominius: what does dmesg say when you insmod wacom?
[04:38] <uga> no device found?
[04:38] <abominius> y, but can resolve in a unix way, whit kubuntu no
[04:39] <abominius> abominius@aboserver:~$ sudo modprobe wacom
[04:39] <abominius> Password:
[04:39] <abominius> FATAL: Error inserting wacom (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/input/wacom.ko): Invalid module format
[04:39] <uga> abominius: you can always build your own custom kernel, like I did with gentoo ;)
[04:39] <uga> oh, ... oh... that module is broken
[04:39] <hydrogen> are you using "in a unix way" to refer to "in a way that requires lots of time and energy with little hope and rewards"
[04:39] <hydrogen> no... its not broken
[04:39] <hydrogen> it was compiled for a different version of the kernel
[04:39] <abominius> hydrogen: yes sure
[04:39] <hydrogen> than you are using
[04:40] <hydrogen> see dmesg to get more information
[04:40] <uga> hydrogen: why doesn't it spit out a message saying invalid kernel version then? iirc that's the usual message
[04:40] <abominius> i should try to reinstall?
[04:40] <ubuntu> can someone help me with creating a /home partition during the kubuntu install ?
[04:40] <hydrogen> uga: it usually says that in dmesg
[04:40] <uga> hydrogen: that's the dmesg output, he pasted
[04:40] <ubuntu> I've created a / partition and a swap but it wont let me create a /home partition
[04:40] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl
[04:40] <hydrogen> no, thats the stderr message
[04:40] <delagrandy> the software crashes why
[04:41] <abominius> trying to reinstall wacom
[04:41] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl second time the software crashes why
[04:41] <uga> hydrogen: oh heh, I thought it was dmesg, since I had asked before =)
[04:41] <delagrandy> when i open kinfocenter and select opengl second time the software crashes why
[04:41] <Karti> abominius: My dmesg came back , thanks, I'm just a bit of a numpty as it should be sdb not sda2 etc :)
[04:41] <abominius> Karti: dmesg is your bible, remember :D
[04:42] <uga> I hate those that take kernels as if they were a religion ;)
[04:42] <abominius> is not a religon?
[04:42] <Karti> abominius: It was very interesting.....all I need to look for now is the right filesystem and commands......
[04:42] <uga> they're just pieces of broken software ;)
[04:42] <abominius> OH MY HOLY KERNEL
[04:42] <abominius> :D
[04:43] <ubuntu> This is what I'm doing: New Partition >  Logical > leave the space to be used as it is cause I want to use all of it > I choose Begining > Ext3 > Mount Point /home... And it tells me "Can't have the end before the start!"... what does this even mean ? It is very unhelpful.
[04:45] <ubuntu> please
[04:45] <ubuntu> I really need to get this done tonigth
[04:45] <runlevelten> Karti: do you know if it's USB mass storage or mtp or whatever
[04:45] <runlevelten> ?
[04:45] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:46] <ubuntu> !partitioning
[04:46] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:46] <runlevelten> and does amarok detect it?
[04:46] <zakoo> hi all
[04:47] <Karti> runlevelten: It is a mp3 player. Amarok does not pick it up but asks for a mount point. The system sees it now but I am trying to mount it with a file system
[04:47] <Karti> and as its designed for Windows I would assume that its 32bit
[04:47] <runlevelten> 32 bit?
[04:47] <runlevelten> Right. If it's, say, an mtp device you don't want to try and mount it.
[04:48] <runlevelten> See what I mean?
[04:48] <Karti> 32 bit filesystem
[04:48] <Karti> FAT32
[04:49] <runlevelten> So you know it's USB Mass Storage then?
[04:50] <ubuntu> Kubuntu wont let me create a /home partition during the install can ANYONE help ?
[04:50] <uga> Fetched 1811MB in 1h43m27s (292kB/s)
[04:50] <uga> now installing... =)
[04:50] <Karti> runlevelten: it is a sigmatel mscn usb device that can act as a storage device as well
[04:50] <uga> ubuntu: you just create a partition, and set mount point at /home
[04:50] <uga> you can do that
[04:50] <uga> select manual partitioning
[04:50] <ubuntu> I have
[04:51] <uga> uhm, then it should have created it
[04:51] <TheKing> how do you install mozilla firefox
[04:51] <ubuntu> well it wont
[04:51] <skal> I think you have to create the root partition / first
[04:51] <runlevelten> That would be a no then. Let me hunt down the specs for you. :)
[04:51] <ubuntu> Already created root and swap
[04:51] <Karti> runlevelten: It is here - http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?jspStoreDir=argos&catalogId=1500000701&params=adref%3DSound+and+vision-%3EMP3+and+MP4+players-%3EMP3+players+with+portable+solid+state&productId=1500037893&referredURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.argos.co.uk%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FProductDisplay%3FstoreId%3D10001%26catalogId%3D1500000701%26productId%3D15000
[04:51] <Karti> Sorry about that....big link!
[04:52] <uga> ubuntu: I created it as a primary partition, but I don't think it should be a problem otherwise either
[04:52] <ubuntu> I shouldn't be a problem no, but it is
[04:53] <skal> do you have the exact error msg ?
[04:53] <ubuntu> All I keep getting is error, "Can't have the end before the start!"
[04:53] <ubuntu> Which is totally unhelpful
[04:53] <skal> maybe you have the first and last cylinders wrong ?
[04:54] <runlevelten> Karti: Nothing useful there, except some mention of DRM, which suggests it's probably an MTP device
[04:54] <runlevelten> and not a usb mass storage one.
[04:54] <ubuntu> This is the manual partitioning utility during the install
[04:54] <runlevelten> Try adding an mtp device in amarok :)
[04:54] <runlevelten> while I google for specifics :)
[04:56] <ubuntu> I shouldn't have to do anything more than click on the free space thats available and create my /home partition but it simply wont let me... this is annoying and inexplicable to me as I did this the other day at work and it was fine... now late at night, at home, after a Windows install effed me around for two hours, this decides its not going to work...
[04:56] <uga|away> heh, apt restarted some services while gutsy'ing ... =)
[04:56] <runlevelten> Karti: I wonder - on windows, does this device require that you install "windows media player"?
[04:56] <Karti> runlevelten: When its on windows it picks it up as a USB drive and I can view its folders etc
[04:57] <delagrandy> is kubuntu for 64 bit processors
[04:57] <runlevelten> and you have wmp installed already, I take it.
[04:57] <uga> delagrandy: there is a 64 bit version, but even the 32 bit version can run on 64 bit processors
[04:58] <ubuntu> I click on the free space, I click on "New Partition", I make it primary, the size should be just fine as it is, I check "Begining" for the "location for the new partition", Use as Ext3, Mount point /home.
[04:58] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:59] <ubuntu> doesnt work
[04:59] <uga> ubuntu: the only difference is that I made it reiserfs
[04:59] <uga> else looks same as I did
[04:59] <runlevelten> I would install libmtp and mtptools
[04:59] <Karti> runlevelten: only as a default in the Windows install.
[05:00] <runlevelten> then we don't know either way. mtp support per bare minimum will come with that.
[05:00] <Karti> Tried to add it as a mtp but to no avail. The others ask for a mount point
[05:00] <runlevelten> Yeah, we need to do something else first
[05:00] <runlevelten> You have it plugged in?
[05:00] <Karti> At the moment I would be happy if it mounted so I could transfer mp3 across :)
[05:00] <runlevelten> If you already do, then make sure you have mtptools and libmtp installed
[05:01] <runlevelten> then do an mtp-detect
[05:01] <ubuntu> I don't have all night for this
[05:01] <runlevelten> You will probably get info about the device, and you may even see the device's lights/display respond to the query.
[05:01] <ubuntu> And I'm supposed to do another one in the morning
[05:01] <uga> ubuntu: is that feisty?
[05:01] <uga> or gutsy
[05:01] <ubuntu> feisty
[05:01] <uga> uhm...
[05:02] <runlevelten> If it's MTP, you will not be able to use it through mount.
[05:02] <runlevelten> If it supports DRM 9, then it is at least partially mtp.
[05:02] <uga> ubuntu: could I suggest one thing... boot with the live CD, create the partitions with fdisk, and runt he installer
[05:02] <uga> instead of leaving the gui do the partitions
[05:02] <runlevelten> I don't know how many other ways I can say that.
[05:02] <uga> at least fdisk would be more verbose
[05:03] <Karti> runlevelten: can't find mtptools or libmtp :(
[05:03] <Karti> runlevelten: can see a libmtp5
[05:03] <runlevelten> yeah, get libmtp5 and libmtp-dev
[05:04] <soc_> hi
[05:04] <soc_> if i download a package source with aptitude source
[05:05] <soc_> is there a fast way to generate the package exactly as was in the repos?
[05:05] <soc_> so to speak, without any complicated build enviroments?
[05:05] <uga> soc_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[05:05] <soc_> i just want to change something in the source and compile it again
[05:06] <soc_> i want to add "hide menubar" again, btw
[05:06] <gnomefreak> !compiling
[05:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:06] <gnomefreak> soc_: see the link above
[05:07] <LjL> soc_, "sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename>" will get you everything that's needed to compile the package, aside from build-essential, which you should install yourself before starting
[05:07] <runlevelten> Karti: It is likely that it won't immediately work with amarok.
[05:07] <runlevelten> Karti: It's mtp-detect you want to try first.
[05:07] <Karti> runlevelten: Many thanks for the help, most appreciated - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38361/ - this is teh result of a dmesg after the libmtg5 and a mtp-detect
[05:07] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> soc_: and when you run ./configure use the option, or start with ./configure --help and see what the exact text is to add it
[05:08] <Karti> I would be happy that it could just accept folders and mp3s
[05:08] <runlevelten> what's the outpur of mtp-detect karti?
[05:08] <soc_> gnomefreak: i have to compile it from patched sources, because the developers removed the feature ...
[05:08] <Karti> No MTP devices.
[05:08] <Karti> No devices.
[05:09] <runlevelten> that's from running it the first time or the second?
[05:09] <LjL> gnomefreak, if he's from source packages, let him just use dpkg -b
[05:09] <Karti> runlevelten: and its plugged in and charging
[05:09] <gnomefreak> LjL: he wanted to add an option
[05:09] <gnomefreak> that we dont ship
[05:09] <runlevelten> I'm having great difficulty finding any information on this player. karti :(
[05:10] <LjL> gnomefreak: uhm, still better to edit the relevant file i think than to run configure manually, no?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> LjL: -b builds binaries of whatever we ship
[05:10] <gnomefreak> he cant change the source that way afaik unless theres an option to run with -b
[05:11] <Karti> No problems, I am trying to get it to mount using this - sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/mp3Player -  but it fails on the file system - any ideas?
[05:11] <runlevelten> I wouldn't try mounting it randomly unless you want to bork it.
[05:11] <LjL> gnomefreak: uhm? but -b takes a directory. you can change what's in the directory, including, i'd assume, the files that contain the 'configure' line
[05:12] <gnomefreak> LjL: isnt that just where to install it? like apt-get source -b=/usr/lib/bleh
[05:12] <Karti> runlevelten: lol, true!
[05:12] <runlevelten> It might just want a change in the source or udev rules - lots of  new devices do
[05:12] <gnomefreak> or whatever the syntax is
[05:12] <runlevelten> -new
[05:12] <runlevelten> trouble is, I don't have one, and I can't find info on it. Grr.
[05:12] <gnomefreak> i didnt think you can modify source using apt-get -b
[05:13] <Karti> Many thanks for the help anyway
[05:13] <LjL> gnomefreak: no, i'm talking about the '-b' option of dpkg. if you use "apt-get source -b" then no, you cannot modify anything. but if you use just "apt-get source", then modify, then "dpkg -b", then you can
[05:13] <gnomefreak> right
[05:13] <runlevelten> Karti: I expect that it just needs an addition to your libmtp rules and will work fine.
[05:14] <runlevelten> *suspect.
[05:14] <Karti> Its something I can look into later. Looks like its the Rugby with Scots v All Blacks ;)
[05:15] <runlevelten> Karti: try this, just in case it gets picked up by one of theses: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:MTP
[05:15] <Karti> runlevelten: Once again many thanks for the help.....
[05:15] <runlevelten> I have several players, including creative zens and stuff that do, once that rules file has been added for "DRM9" compliant devices.
[05:16] <runlevelten> nothing to do with drm really, except that drm-compliance tends to imply mtp for anything that isn't an ipod, and the "storage device" front end on windows for that is basically...
[05:16] <runlevelten> ...basically faked up :)
[05:16] <Paradigm_Shift> good morning/afternoon/evening
[05:16] <runlevelten> Karti: np, hope you get it sorted
[05:16] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a Q for which I cannot find an answer
[05:17] <Paradigm_Shift> I archive a lot of data stored in folders on DVD
[05:17] <Paradigm_Shift> so I always try to store as much info per DVD as possible
[05:17] <Karti> runlevelten: Cheers, will look into it :)
[05:18] <deviance> Paradigm_Shift: Named after the LTE song by any chance?
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> ans since I use folders, I need to grab folders efficiently
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> is there any way to get Konqueror to display the size of a folder's contents (as opposed to a 4k file size of the folder file)???
[05:18] <Paradigm_Shift> deviance, sorry, no
[05:19] <deviance> Okay :P
[05:19] <abominius> hi again
[05:19] <Paradigm_Shift> I really want to figure out how Konqueror can display that a folder contains 900MB worth of data
[05:20] <abominius> during apt-get install wacom-linux-source an error has occured:
[05:20] <abominius> [: 79: 13262: unexpected operator
[05:20] <abominius> Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version.
[05:20] <abominius> Building wacom modules for Linux _CODE 13262 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error
[05:20] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, you mean in the "Detailed" view? that would make things very, very slow. actual size must be computed by scanning each file
[05:20] <skal> Paradigm_Shift: it would require for konqueror to scan *recursively* all the directories content, which would be far too slow
[05:21] <gnomefreak> abominius: make sure you have kernel-headers package for the exact kernel you are running you might have it for say 386 instead of -generic
[05:21] <Paradigm_Shift> yes, but it would make my life much easier
[05:21] <skal> sure :)
[05:22] <abominius> gnomefreak: my kernel is -generic
[05:22] <Paradigm_Shift> skal and LjL, if there was a way to turn the feature on and off then the downside can be avoided or the benefits achieved
[05:22] <gnomefreak> abominius: now install the kernel-header files for it
[05:22] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, use "du | sort -n" to list folders by size, or use konqueror's "file size" view mode
[05:22] <gnomefreak> abominius: make sure you are booted to -generic
[05:23] <abominius> gnomefreak: on it
[05:23] <gnomefreak> abominius: sort of weird but for some reason you might also have 386 in there (i found that as odd atleast)
[05:23] <gnomefreak> abominius: uname -a
[05:23] <gnomefreak> what does that give you
[05:23] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: or use kdirstat - forgot
[05:23] <abominius> root@aboserver:/usr/src# uname -a
[05:23] <abominius> Linux aboserver 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:24] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, thanks for the suggestions, but I that does not get me where I want to be. I would like to sort folders by content size and then I can select a number of folders that will be dragged and dropped to k3b for burning
[05:24] <kaminix|benkyou> What's required from Apache2 to be able to open a symlink?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> abominius: install linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[05:25] <abominius> gnomefreak: already installed
[05:25] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, unfortunately kdirstat doesn't allow to drag&drop, but you *can* copy... one folder at a time, unfortunately
[05:25] <gnomefreak> abominius: than it might not be compatitble for some odd reason
[05:26] <abominius> i'm continuing to hate kubuntu instead
[05:26] <abominius> >:
[05:26] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, yes. That is why I am trying to figure out how to get Konqueror (or another gui file manager) to display the actual content size for a folder in a list
[05:26] <gnomefreak> abominius: thats not a kubuntu issue you have its ubuntu issue
[05:26] <abominius> gnomefreak: are u masochist?
[05:26] <gnomefreak> abominius: nope
[05:27] <Paradigm_Shift> when I was using Windows there were programs that fit the bill. I am trying to find a linux equivalent that let's me sort and then drag and drop a multiple selection
[05:27] <gnomefreak> matter of fact i have kubuntu installed on all pcs except one
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Paradigm_Shift: doesnt ls have an option (i think nautilus does as well)
[05:28] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, so I am using explorerXP under wine to sort and select, and then using Konqueror to "re-select" and drop into k3b
[05:28] <gnomefreak> or daophin
[05:28] <gnomefreak> dolphin
[05:28] <Paradigm_Shift> gnomefreak, none do this currently
[05:29] <LjL> well du does
[05:29] <LjL> perhaps ls too
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Paradigm_Shift: nautilus does if you right click and go to properties
[05:29] <abominius> gnomefreak: http://rafb.net/p/Ft5w1v51.html
[05:29] <LjL> stupid little trick...
[05:29] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, it is not merely displaying the information bu then takng subsequent steps
[05:29] <gnomefreak> that will tell you the size and should allow drag and drop
[05:29] <ubuntu> Ok I've found an "answer" of sorts
[05:29] <ubuntu> This is a bug
[05:29] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: uh?
[05:30] <ubuntu> Can't manually create a partition larger than 200gig without getting that error message
[05:30] <gnomefreak> abominius: ah i would remove the headers and install them again
[05:30] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } ');   for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done            then sort by last modification date in Konqueror
[05:30] <LjL> that won't work with filenames that have spaces
[05:30] <abominius> gnomefreak: trying
[05:31] <ubuntu> This needs to be fixed ASAP
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, if I am trying to find 4.37 GB worth of data to burn to DVD out of 45GB, I want to sort the folders by content size, and then select folders trying to reach exactly 4.37 GB. This will entail selecting, un-selecting and re-selecting until I get as close as I can. Then I drag and drop, then burn
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> du
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> ls
[05:31] <gnomefreak> abominius: ive never seen that happen with that package so i am not really much help other than knowing dpkg
[05:31] <Paradigm_Shift> konsole commands that only inform, they do not allow me to do everything else
[05:31] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: not if you write a script around them
[05:32] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: anyway, my very dirty trick should allow you to do it in konqueror. you lost modification dates however
[05:32] <LjL> s/lost/lose/
[05:32] <abominius> gnomefreak: how to [clean configuration/rebuild dependency]  with dkpg? :D
[05:32] <gnomefreak> abominius: did you remove it yet?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> with --purge
[05:32] <abominius> gnomefreak: removing
[05:32] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, ok. how do I go about implementing your code? write a bash script?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> abominius: use --purge
[05:33] <abominius> gnomefreak: removed
[05:33] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: just type it in a console, minus any errors i've made
[05:33] <gnomefreak> abominius: now sudo apt-get autoclean
[05:33] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, LOL
[05:33] <abominius> gnomefreak: --purge <-- wich command?
[05:33] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: ... while in the right directory
[05:34] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: though uhm, wait... if that's a CD, it won't work, because it's read-only and you can't modify dates
[05:34] <gnomefreak> abominius: too late now
[05:34] <abominius> gnomefreak: lol
[05:35] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, no worries about WORM media. I am sort ing HD so that I can then archive to DVD
[05:35] <abominius> gnomefreak: --purge <-- wich command?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> abominius: run autoclean command than install the linux-header package again make sure you are building this for right kernel or ubuntu is missing patch for feisty kernel i have never tried to build wacom before
[05:35] <gnomefreak> abominius: sudo apt-get remove --purge package   hint its too late if you removed it already
[05:35] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, the "do touch" section results in an error ("syntax error near unexpected token 'do'")
[05:35] <abominius> gnomefreak: ok
[05:36] <gnomefreak> abominius: install the package again and try again
[05:36] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, you mistyped something, works here
[05:36] <abominius> gnomefreak: doing :D
[05:36] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } '); for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done
[05:36] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while need to rest for this coming week
[05:36] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I copied and pasted ;)
[05:36] <abominius> gnomefreak: it is dl again :)
[05:37] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: so did i
[05:37] <uga|away> finally
[05:38] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, LOL. SO, what is the result of that code, exactly?
[05:38] <uga> heh, this is strange...
[05:38] <uga> ifup claijms neither eth0 nor eth1 exist
[05:38] <uga> anybody can tell how my networking is working, then? =)
[05:39] <uga> /home/uga# ifup eth0
[05:39] <uga> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:39] <abominius> gnomefreak: tryng to reboot everithing after installed linux-headers
[05:39] <uga> :P
[05:39] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift,  Directories=$(du | sort -n | awk ' { print $2 } ')  lists all the files [and directories]  in the current directory in order of size, and stores the result in the $Directories variable.    for Directory in $Directories; do touch $Directory; done  goes through each file and "touches" it, which results in setting its last-modification-date to the current system time
[05:39] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I really appreciate your helpful suggestions and the code.
[05:39] <abominius> gnomefreak: no wacom installed
[05:39] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: so, it should result in bigger files having an earlier modification date than smaller files - which then allows you to sort them in Konqueror
[05:39] <uga> anybody knows how to list network interfaces?
[05:40] <uga> dhclient seems to work fine with eth0 =)
[05:40] <uga> this is silly
[05:40] <uga> heh
[05:40] <combo> what mean Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". on fglrxinfo ??
[05:41] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, here is what I hoping to achieve in Konqueror http://explorerxp.com/index.html
[05:41] <uga> combo: that your driver doesn't implement the Direct rendering interface
[05:42] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, click on the main picture to see it closer
[05:43] <combo> uga: do u know any solution ? ;/
[05:43] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, i think i've understood it fine. only, there is no way i know of, and that script is the closest thing i can come up with (it doesn't *show* you the sizes, but it does allow you to have them *sorted* by size).   actually, kdirstat is the closest thing, but it doesn't allow drag&drop
[05:43] <uga> combo: unless you haven't installed the proper drivers for your card, not really
[05:43] <uga> combo: what gfx card and driver?
[05:44] <combo> uga: wait... let me tell u what causes that error (before format all works)
[05:45] <combo> uga: i ve installed codecs from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - like for EDGY (cuz i have kub-7.04) and after step with 'sudo depmode -a' and adding Extension 'Composite' Disable - i made a restart and something crashed
[05:45] <combo> uga: before i didn't reset between those steps and all worked
[05:46] <combo> uga: now i can't take it back
[05:46] <uga> uhm... I never used ati drivers, so I can't tell
[05:46] <michele_> hi . there is a channel irc in italian language for kubuntu ?
[05:46] <uga> I always went nvidia
[05:46] <uga> which doesn't do dri
[05:46] <combo> why everything is so problematic ://///////
[05:47] <combo> does anyone having ATI CARD here has installed fglrx using command 'depmod -a' ???
[05:47] <combo> i wanna know what is this comman?? 'depmod -a'
[05:47] <combo> ??
[05:48] <uga> finally, temperature monitors work! =)
[05:48] <uga> CPU Temp:  +30.0C  (high = +80.0C, hyst = +75.0C)
[05:48] <uga> what's the "high" thing? maximum permitted?
[05:48] <uga> or maximum reached
[05:49] <uga> uh? in6:       +4.92 V  (min =  +1.13 V, max =  +0.56 V) ALARM
[05:50] <uga> what on earth
[05:50] <uga> all voltages in alarm?
[05:51] <uga> in1:      +11.46 V  (min = +11.88 V, max =  +1.74 V) ALARM
[05:51] <uga> it doesn't make much sense :/
[05:51] <inaety> is there anyways to have mispelled words light up in red in kopete like in konqueror
[05:52] <Siath> inaety - does kopete have a spell checker associated with it?
[05:53] <inaety> Siath: im not sure
[05:53] <Siath> inaety - let me look if it has one.
[05:54] <EmanueleT> hello
[05:55] <hsystem-x> :)
[05:55] <Siath> inaety - I don't see one associated with my version
[05:55] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, is it possible to create an extension for Knoqueror that will display the size of a folder's content in MB or GB?
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift, "View Modes" can be added to Konqueror, so yes, it is possible in theory
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: but i think it would be much easier to hack into the current "Detailed View" than create an extension view
[05:56] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, "in theory" :)
[05:56] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: well it requires C+ coding of course...
[05:56] <LjL> +
[05:57] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, yes, unfortunately. I probably would not even earn a C+ if I took a course in programming ;)
[05:57] <inaety> Siath: darn
[05:59] <Siath> ieaety - I'm sure there is a way to have one associated with it - but erm I'm not that skilled yet
[06:03] <michael> Hi
[06:03] <Siath> Hi
[06:05] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: get Krusader
[06:05] <LjL> it has your feature
[06:06] <Siath> Krusader? what's that?
[06:06] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, I will check that out. Thanks
[06:06] <LjL> !info krusader
[06:06] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0~beta1-1 (feisty), package size 2982 kB, installed size 8324 kB
[06:06] <Siath> oh! sweet :D
[06:06] <LjL> !info dolphin
[06:06] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[06:06] <michael> Its my first time in an ICR Chat/Channel... what du you do here? how can i find other channels
[06:07] <LjL> michael: this is the Kubuntu support channel. we ask and reply to Kubuntu-related support channels
[06:07] <LjL> !channels
[06:07] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:07] <michael> thanks very much
[06:07] <acee1234> anyone know how to fix the bug in kdm theme manager that asks for administrative mode but no such button exists?
[06:07] <Siath> michael - this is the 'help' for Kubuntu channel - basically if you need help ask a question - someone hopefully can answer
[06:08] <feierfox> michael is'nt it sad, das you loss your IRC-virginity in a channel like this?
[06:09] <michael> ok thanks, when i got a problem i'm goint to ask, but up to now it works perfectly
[06:09] <Siath> :D - it's good when it all works
[06:10] <acee1234> if no one knows how to fix the bug then ow to i log in as su
[06:11] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: select all the directories you want to get the size of, right click, "Calculate size", wait, click Ok when it's finished, then you can sort by size by clicking on the Size column
[06:12] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, you read my mind. I was trying to figure that out
[06:13] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: didn't read your mind, just realized it wasn't entirely trivial to find out how it's done =) i found it out because it's mentioned in a changelog
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, in any event THANK YOU!!!!
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> this is exactly what I wanted to have
[06:13] <Paradigm_Shift> LjL, you are the MAN!
[06:14] <LjL> Paradigm_Shift: you're welcome, it's nice to know it can be done. although i don't think i like that file manager itself
[06:16] <acee1234> how can i enable root login?
[06:16] <LjL> !root
[06:16] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:19] <acee1234> ok if root is so bad then how can i access the kdm theme manager as sudo?
[06:20] <LjL> acee1234, that's just as bad. there's no reason in the world to run the *login manager* (kdm is not a theme manager, in any way, at all) as root, unless you just *want* to be hacked
[06:20] <TheDragon> anybody want an edit password to a new wiki i just put up? msg me
[06:20] <acee1234> its the only way to change anything
[06:20] <LjL> !offtopic | TheDragon
[06:20] <ubotu> TheDragon: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:20] <LjL> acee1234: not really. what do you want to change?
[06:21] <acee1234> LjL the logon screen it says hit the admistrative mode button but none exists
[06:21] <acee1234> i googled it and it is a bud
[06:21] <acee1234> bug
[06:22] <LjL> acee1234: K / System Settings / Advanced / Login Manager.
[06:22] <LjL> there *is* an "Administrator Mode" button there
[06:22] <LjL> and for further customization
[06:22] <LjL> !info kdmtheme
[06:22] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 103 kB, installed size 268 kB
[06:23] <LjL> and next time you want to know how to do something, ask straight away -- don't ask things that have no relevance, such as how to enable root
[06:23] <acee1234> i tried
[06:23] <garfield_> linux gone bad and it chand my display from ati to vesa
[06:23] <acee1234> " anyone know how to fix the bug in kdm theme manager that asks for administrative mode but no such button exists?"
[06:24] <acee1234> thank you though i fiddle with it
[06:24] <LjL> acee1234, just install kdmtheme and have fun
[06:25] <acee1234> kdmtheme is installed already
[06:26] <acee1234> how do i send a screen shot?
[06:27] <draik> !wireless
[06:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:30] <mauri> sometime suddenly my video became with vertical lines and I'm not able to do nothing. It happens with 7.10 but also with 7.06
[06:30] <TunaTom> Wow, this exclamation-mark documentation is cool. I'll just try it:
[06:30] <TunaTom> !wireless
[06:30] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:30] <TunaTom> !kde4
[06:31] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:31] <TunaTom> !vi
[06:31] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[06:31] <TunaTom> (sorry :)
[06:33] <mauri> sometime suddenly my video became with vertical lines and I'm not able to do nothing. It happens with 7.10 but also with 7.06
[06:33] <pookey> hey all - does anyonw know what package  /usr/sbin/base-config is in?
[06:33] <cute_bettong> ok i installed the w32codecs and yet amarok still cannot play mp3's or anythig v.v
[06:33] <cute_bettong> is there something i am missing? o.o
[06:34] <jhutchins> TunaTom: You can explore the bot by /msg and the private repleis won't clutter the channel.
[06:34] <jhutchins> !find base-config
[06:34] <ubotu> Found: debian-edu-install
[06:34] <cute_bettong> o.o
[06:37] <jhutchins> cute_bettong: delete ~/.xine
[06:37] <jhutchins> cute_bettong: see if that helps.
[06:40] <draik> If a wireless card is viewed, LSPCI and Network Settings, but it doesn't hold onto the Default Gateway info, why would that be?
[06:40] <jhutchins> draik: Problems with the wep key?
[06:41] <draik> jhutchins: WEP and no WEP
[06:41] <lipsi> hi hello
[06:41] <draik> Either way, it doesn't see the AP
[06:41] <draik> Even if I enter the ESSID manually, I get nothing
[06:41] <jhutchins> draik: could be hardware problems does iwlist <card> scan show it?
[06:41] <draik> The default gateway keeps resetting to 0.0.0.0
[06:42] <draik> jhutchins: Not at all. It results with nothing
[06:42] <jhutchins> draik: If the card's showing up in iwlist/iwconfig then the drivers are supposedly loaded.
[06:42] <jhutchins> It should be getting a signal.
[06:43] <draik> The card is there in lspci, but no APs when I do "iwlist eth1 scan"
[06:43] <jhutchins> I beat my head against a similar problem for a while and finally replaced both the AP and ended up with a different card, and now they work.  If the AP and/or card are more than 2 years old they could be bad.
[06:44] <draik> I want to blame the Dell 1390 card inside the Compaq
[06:44] <draik> But...
[06:44] <draik> It worked before the conversion to Kubuntu (was winxp)
[06:44] <draik> I doubt the Mini-PCI was damaged during the OS change
[06:45] <draik> BTW, driver is loaded for the internal card, per instructions on the Wiki
[06:46] <draik> BRB
[06:48] <draik> kcab
[06:56] <HiGenix> What's the best IDE for c++ development available for KDE?
[06:56] <emilsedgh> HiGenix: sure, kdevelop :)
[06:59] <draik> jhutchins: What do you recommend for an internal card?
[06:59] <syd> hi, i've just reinstalled my kubuntu 7.04; i've a gf6200, and i always install nvidia-glx drivers, but this time, it doesn't work; so i've installed nvidia-glx-new drivers, but now, the xserver works good, but the console is only a black screen... after few seconds my monitor is turning off, when 'm swiching to the x (F7), everything is going back to normal
[06:59] <draik> How are Orinoco's these days?
[07:00] <syd> wtf is going on?
[07:00] <syd> btw - sorry for my poor engilsh
[07:00] <draik> !nvidia
[07:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:00] <syd> yeah... i've read this many times
[07:01] <syd> it always work, but not today :)
[07:03] <draik> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[07:06] <syd> ok... i've done it, as i wrote
[07:06] <syd> but
[07:07] <syd> console doesn't work
[07:07] <syd> it's black, and the monitor is turning off
[07:10] <blix_> Is there any Photo presentation software for Linux?
[07:11] <draik> blix_: Meaning?
[07:11] <blix_> meaning.. I have lots of photos and I want to make a DVD presentation out of them
[07:11] <blix_> is there any software under Linux that do such stuff?
[07:11] <blix_> can*
[07:12] <draik> blix_: I know there is. Let me get back to you... It's somewhere in here...
[07:12] <blix_> draik...thanks mate.
[07:13] <draik> blix_: sudo apt-get install dvd-slideshow
[07:14] <blix_> ooo
[07:14] <blix_> right ok...thanks draik.
[07:14] <draik> You're welcome
[07:14] <blix_> I'll take a look
[07:15] <draik> blix_: http://dvd-slideshow.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
[07:15] <blix_> thanks drail
[07:15] <blix_> draik*
[07:16] <draik> NP
[07:16] <blix_> how do I get into root again
[07:16] <blix_> I keep forgetting :-S
[07:16] <HiGenix> sudo
[07:16] <blix_> sudo doesn't work exactly, there's another way
[07:17] <xenol> plz can someone tell me where r stored wallpapers downloaded through System Settings -> Desktop -> Get new wallpapers?
[07:18] <draik> blix_: Also, you may want to try QDVDAuthor = "sudo apt-get install qdvdauthor"
[07:18] <blix_> right ok
[07:18] <draik> blix_: There's the ugly way. Adept.
[07:18] <emilsedgh> xenol: dunno exactly, but i think it should be in ~/.kde
[07:18] <HiGenix> How do I stop join/part events from showing up in the channel box using Konversation?
[07:20] <blix_> 'sudo -i' was the command I was looking for
[07:22] <blix_> appears to dependancies
[07:22] <blix_> to be*
[07:24] <stdin> HiGenix: Settings > Configure Konversation > Behaviour > Chat Window > Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[07:24] <HiGenix> stdin: Thanks
[07:26] <HiGenix> .
[07:28] <acee1234> Anyone know how i can change the logon theme of kubuntu kdmtheme is missing the administative mode button and i cant seem to find a tutorial for doing it manually and in advanced settings  the logonmanager does not seem to accept themes. Any ideas?
[07:29] <stdin> acee1234: Alt-F2, kdesu kcontrol     and see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[07:29] <gehzumteufel> hello all. so i need some help. my sound has just dropped. not sure when it did but i just went to watch a video and i get an error "no sound"
[07:30] <acee1234> stdin alt-f2 isnt doing anything
[07:30] <gehzumteufel> if i log off and on it will come back
[07:30] <stdin> acee1234: Alt-F2 opens the Run Dialog, you can just do KMenu > Run Command  too
[07:30] <waylandbill_> acee1234: in kcontrol, there are settings to configure kdm
[07:34] <acee1234> perfect thank you both
[07:34] <garfield_> i have problem with my graph card ati it was working good befor but now it gone haywire
[07:34] <gehzumteufel> anyone?
[07:35] <gehzumteufel> my sound stopped working. if i log off and back on it works again. how can i re-initialize it without logging off?
[07:35] <garfield_> the resolutotion is gone i only got 2 choises
[07:35] <gehzumteufel> and how can i stop this in the future
[07:35] <HiGenix> In Konversation, My menu bar just disappeared, I think I pressed ctrl+M but I tried pressing it again and it hasn't come back, any solutions?
[07:35] <garfield_> when i run beryl i got the white sreen
[07:36] <draik_BRB> Sorry stdin, I didn't mean to change it often. I forgot to register the nick before changing back to available
[07:37] <gehzumteufel> can someone help me please?
[07:38] <push> synaptic is removing all essential packages.....
[07:38] <push> how to install other packages then?
[07:38] <Mr_Sonoma> garfield_, #ubutu_effects should be able to help or #beryl i remember going through that myself with my nvidia and it seems it was a simple xorg.conf change but i forget what exactly it was.
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> yay, yes another kernel update!
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> yet*
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> garfield_, #ubuntu_effects even LOL <------ not the best typist
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> #ubuntu-effects
[07:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> no underscore
[07:39] <garfield_> Mr_Sonoma: it's not beryl but my graph card
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> oh its a dash
[07:39] <Mr_Sonoma> ??
[07:39] <draik> garfield_: Did you install your required drivers? I had the same issue when I was using the wrong driver for my nVidia card
[07:41] <garfield_> draik: didnt had to it choose the option ati and everything was working good beryl etc i had even a lot of resolution to choos but it's bein,g one day i didnt went on linuc i came back and i saw everything big and beryl  got a white screen when i launch it
[07:41] <gehzumteufel> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:41] <uga> dial 112
[07:41] <gehzumteufel> lol
[07:41] <garfield_> 911
[07:41] <draik> garfield_: I would chalk that up to a bad driver
[07:42] <gehzumteufel> thats probably more help than anyone here has been for me the past 10mins
[07:42] <push> 100
[07:42] <draik> 411?
[07:42] <gehzumteufel> haha
[07:42] <draik> 7-11
[07:42] <waylandbill_> I lose window decorations with compiz-fusion, so I gave up.
[07:43] <garfield_> draik: the last day i was looking how to install my webcam trust i was doing all types of thing to get it installl after thatsPipet day is when everything gone bad
[07:43] <garfield_> stdin: help please :(
[07:44] <garfield_> :)
[07:45] <darx> hi folks
[07:45] <darx> how can i install kde4 for gutsy?
[07:45] <shadowhywind> hay all, does anyone have any ideas on what to do when fsck comes back with Too many files need repair.?
[07:45] <garfield_> lol
[07:46] <gehzumteufel> lol
[07:46] <draik> !off-topic
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <draik> !off topic
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <draik> !offtopic
[07:46] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !botabuse
[07:47] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> :P
[07:47] <darx> guys how can i install kde4?
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !kde4
[07:47] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:47] <phantom_>  
[07:47] <phantom_>      ?
[07:47] <hydrogen> thats not english!
[07:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ru
[07:48] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:48] <gehzumteufel> phantom_: priviet
[07:48] <uga> heh, what's the name for the compiz configurator?
[07:48] <garfield_> draik: when i go in monitor display to change my graph card when i enter the passwr it say conversation with su failed
[07:48] <uga> I had used beryl in the past, so I'm lost in the compiz world back
[07:48] <darx> Daisuke_Laptop: thanks..
[07:49] <HiGenix> How do I show the menu bar in Konversation?
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> so i guess i cant get my sound working again without logging off/on
[07:49] <draik> What is the command again for the system settings? kdesu system settings or something similar...?
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> cause no one will help me
[07:49] <gehzumteufel> HiGenix: ctrl+m
[07:49] <uga> HiGenix: Ctrl+M
[07:49] <HiGenix> I've tried that, it didn't work. :(
[07:50] <uga> oh, I'm slow typing ;)
[07:50] <gehzumteufel> close it and then reopen it?
[07:50] <gehzumteufel> then try it again
[07:50] <uga> HiGenix: maybe the shortcut is changed for your system. That's the default. IT shows the shortcut when hiding it...
[07:50] <uga> HiGenix: if nothing else... rm .kde/share/config/konversationrc
[07:50] <uga> should do
[07:51] <uga> or edit the file to see the shortcut
[07:51] <gehzumteufel> uga: do you know how to re-initialize a soundcard?
[07:51] <uga> gehzumteufel: reloading the module works?
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> uga: by restarting alsa?
[07:52] <uga> rmmod-ing I meant
[07:52] <uga> no idea if alsa does restart devices
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> it doesnt
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> cause it didnt work
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> but i dont know about rmmod-ing
[07:52] <gehzumteufel> im still a n00b
[07:52] <duns_s> gehzumteufel: heute nich
[07:53] <duns_s> gehzumteufel: bin kein theologe...
[07:53] <uga> lsmod will list all the drivers being used. Check if you can recognise the driver of the soundcard. rmmod <drivername>. modprobe <drivername>
[07:53] <gehzumteufel> duns_s: lol
[07:54] <ubuntu> hi here
[07:55] <blix__> how do I get into GRUB?
[07:55] <blix__> is this built into Ubuntu?
[07:55] <Kachna> got a trouble,my grub fails to load, so i wanna grub-install, already chrooted to my installation but cant access hda, any ideas?
[07:55] <gehzumteufel> uga: it seems to say that its in use
[07:56] <gehzumteufel> with any of the sound modules i try to restart
[07:56] <gehzumteufel> or whatever rmmod does
[07:57] <uga> urghm... why do developers decide to use such clever and intuitive names... ccrm
[07:57] <uga> man...
[07:57] <uga> ccsm, rather
[07:57] <young_linx> hi
[07:57] <young_linx> i need help with ubuntu, to private please
[07:57] <emilsedgh> !hi | young_linx
[07:57] <ubotu> young_linx: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:58] <uga> young_linx: there's no privacy here ;)
[07:58] <gehzumteufel> ugh im over this. logging off and on
[07:58] <young_linx> who can tell me how to deinstall ubuntu?
[07:58] <uga> young_linx: uninstall completely?, just format the partitions
[07:58] <young_linx> uga through what
[07:59] <draik> young_linx: sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <hydrogen> err
[07:59] <hydrogen> that won't help
[07:59] <uga> young_linx: boot any live CD, and mkfs.vfat whatever you want formatted
[07:59] <uga> hydrogen: well, why not =)
[07:59] <HiGenix> uga: Thanks for the help, I edited konversationirc and it works fine, there's a value about 10 lines down you can set to "True".
[07:59] <hydrogen> uga: that was to draik
[07:59] <uga> aok
[07:59] <draik> I figured Kubuntu was installed at well
[07:59] <draik> I have Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Xubuntu on my desktop
[08:00] <draik> Depends how I feel
[08:00] <young_linx> uga: what should i do first
[08:00] <Kachna> cmon please,i cant find a clue on wiki,cant boot to my system :{
[08:00] <Tonren> When I hit Ctrl + L to manually refetch all feeds in Akregator, the feed icons dim and lighten, showing that it's finding them, but they don't actually update.
[08:00] <Kachna> just chrooted on mz disk and now...
[08:01] <draik> Kachna: Check your drives for possible failure to the MBR
[08:01] <Kachna> mbr seems to be ok,that selection table loads up,but then when loading it sazs disk error...
[08:02] <Kachna> i have /boot on separate partition, so all i need is to run my grub-install :/
[08:02] <draik> Have you used SGD
[08:03] <Kachna> SDG?
[08:03] <Kachna> never heard about it
[08:03] <draik> SGD
[08:03] <Kachna> oh
[08:03] <draik> Then you haven't been looking
[08:03] <Kachna> supergrub<
[08:03] <Kachna> ?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> lets be more vague! :)
[08:04] <draik> Dr_willis: ...?!?! LOL
[08:04] <Dr_willis> when the system boots - it says 'disk error' ?
[08:05] <Dr_willis> this is after the grub menu, and ya pick what os to boot? :)
[08:05] <Kachna> right after i select kernel,i get grub error 25
[08:05] <Kachna> and grub error 25 is disk error afaik >/] 
[08:06] <Dr_willis> a quick google - impls that may be an error in your grub menu.lst configs
[08:06] <uga> uhm... the beryl configurator was much better
[08:06] <Dr_willis> http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?showtopic=12845
[08:07] <uga> how does one set up windecos on this thing
[08:07] <Dr_willis> 25 : Disk read error
[08:07] <Dr_willis>  This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk.
[08:07] <Dr_willis> if its trying to access the wrong disk. :) thats an error.
[08:08] <Kachna> Dr_willis: well but here we come, I'm almost sure that menu.lst is ok, sometimes it boots up sfter few attempts..
[08:09] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  that sounds like the hd is not responding in time. Is this a USB hard drive?
[08:09] <Dr_willis> if its not usb - that sounds more and more like a drive is dieing to me.
[08:09] <Kachna> i've read somewhere it may dislike reiserfs,so i made /boot partition with ext3 but it remains :'[
[08:09] <Dr_willis> if iI never use reiserfs for anything . :) so cant help ya either way there.
[08:10] <Dr_willis> This is a normal IDE drive however?
[08:10] <Kachna> well however it's not the case anymore since there's ext now...well maybe really dying hdd,but strange is that it's the only place with errors :[
[08:11] <Kachna> it's common barracuda ata 7200.7, connected with ata133
[08:11] <Kachna> so one of the most common disks >P
[08:11] <uga> I see.. aquamarine doesn't start
[08:12] <uga> lets ditch compiz... beryl & aquamarine rocks ;)
[08:12] <Dr_willis> could be a goofy ide cable, or ide controler also. :) i had a case that 'cut' through one wire of my ide drive the other day...
[08:12] <Dr_willis> took me forever to  figure that out.
[08:12] <Dr_willis> 'whats this one wire dangling from this ide cable for......'
[08:13] <Kachna> but has few years...looks like I'll need a new one :'[ tried more cables..damn,another cash gonne,trying to get money for new guitar amp...doh!
[08:13] <Kachna> *gone
[08:13] <Tonren> I'm getting "fetch errors" when I try to fetch a feed in Akregator.  Can someone tell me how to fix this?
[08:13] <young_linx> somebody help me with deinstallation ubuntu
[08:15] <Kachna> young_linx: cmon just format the partition...what's the problem?
[08:15] <young_linx> kacha i can't format it by format
[08:15] <young_linx> from dos
[08:15] <Biovore> young_linx: what you tring to do.. reinstall linux or go back to windows?
[08:15] <young_linx> because dos can't see this partition
[08:15] <young_linx> go back to windows
[08:16] <draik> How can I copy a whole folder over through ssh?
[08:16] <Kachna> young_linx: you can use fdisk
[08:16] <Biovore> young_linx: throw the windows disk in the drive.. then delete all the partition and create 1 paration for windows.. should work from there..
[08:17] <Biovore> draik: scp -r <folder> <username>@<host>:<path/to/file>
[08:17] <draik> "scp folder_name myUser@my.local.ip.address:/my/folder/location/"  won't work.
[08:17] <young_linx> linux fdisk or windows fdisk?
[08:17] <draik> Thank you
[08:17] <Biovore> both would work
[08:17] <Biovore> man scp
[08:17] <Kachna> young_linx: doesn't matter >/] 
[08:17] <draik> I was missing "-r"
[08:17] <Kachna> ok u guys are faster...:] 
[08:17] <young_linx> windows fdisk can't see linux partition
[08:18] <Biovore> xp does..
[08:18] <Biovore> just says unknow partition..
[08:18] <draik> I thought so too, but missing the "-r" stated "MyMusic: not a regular file"
[08:18] <Tonren> Anyone?  Fetch errors?  Akregator?
[08:19] <young_linx> Biovore: see i load from the boot cd with xp
[08:19] <young_linx> and run dos fdisk
[08:19] <uga> I can't understand why, if compiz fusion is meant to replace beryl, why beryl remains working better
[08:19] <Kachna> i did it few times,there definitely is that partition :P
[08:19] <draik> k9copy sure is taking it's sweet glorious time. I'm trying to backup my DVDs to an external HDD so I can take it to work and watch it when I have free time, but it seems to be taking about 2:30 hours for a DVD
[08:19] <Biovore> dos fdisk... you installing win98 or something?
[08:20] <BluesKaj> owdy all :)
[08:20] <BluesKaj> rr howdy
[08:20] <uga> wb Blues
[08:21] <Kachna> oh mz...
[08:22] <draik> Kachna: What's going on with your "y" key? It's a "z" everytime.
[08:22] <Kachna> Dr_willis: can i use debian installation cd's repair mode to repair ubuntu's grub?
[08:22] <Dr_willis> you could use any live cd to repiar the system
[08:23] <Kachna> draik: i'm on live cd to fix my grub, having wrong charset :] 
[08:23] <Dr_willis> boot cd. mount your / and stuff, chroot over. fix the stuff.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> or just mount it. edit the menu.lst
[08:23] <Dr_willis> brb
[08:24] <Kachna> Dr_willis: that's the problem,when i mount my /dev/hda1, it looks ok but folder is empty -/-
[08:24] <Kachna> dammit :] 
[08:25] <BluesKaj> y fglrx driver isn't co-operating ...reinstalled the patched and modded version but i think the proprietary version that was recommended (which didn't supply DRI and 3D that it was supposed to do) caused a prob which is still in effect.
[08:25] <Kachna> brb
[08:28] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Oh dear.  Your windows won't wobble now.  hatever will you do?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> hutchins, I don't use beryl ..i just want my google earth to work :)
[08:29] <Tonren> hahaha
[08:30] <mauri> someone knows knetworkmenager
[08:31] <draik> I haven't been anywhere recently for me to update my Google Earth app
[08:32] <draik> Anywhere interesting, anyway
[08:33] <uga> uhm... having a cpu that supports virtualization, what's best option to load virtual machines? xen? virtualbox? vmware?
[08:34] <uga> will all of them do winders?
[08:34] <BluesKaj> ell, i have relatives and children living in different countries and i have always been a bit of a geography freak so google earth is important to me.
[08:34] <draik> I use vmware
[08:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> virtualbox for ease-of-setup
[08:35] <uga> I used both vmware and virtualbox in the past. I never used xen so far (I failed badly at setting it up)
[08:35] <BluesKaj> w
[08:35] <uga> I just never had a virtualization supporting cpu before
[08:36] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: have you tried using marble?
[08:37] <draik> I don't have the option to CTRL+ALT+ESC and kill an app. How do I get that back?
[08:37] <BluesKaj> yeah , marble doesn't cut it  for me
[08:39] <Kachna> OMG
[08:39] <wolfsong> I tried installing kubuntu-desktop and while I get the kubuntu login, the desktop is still gnome
[08:40] <Kachna> wolfsong: change it on login screen
[08:40] <Kachna> like session or so
[08:40] <Dr_willis> yep.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> I dont understand why people think their desktop should change.. :) they are all just apps running on X.
[08:40] <Kachna> :-)
[08:40] <Dr_willis> the session menus can be very well hidden on some of the login screens however.
[08:40] <mauri> someone knows knetworkmenager
[08:40] <Kachna> that's right,but hardly ever by default
[08:41] <Dr_willis> heh.
[08:42] <Pitabred> wolfsong: did you select to use a KDE session instead of a Gnome session?
[08:42] <Kachna> Dr_willis: tried repairing grub from debian, no chance, so i wanna do from live cd, but i can't even access that hdd :-(
[08:42] <Kachna> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk /dev/hda
[08:42] <Kachna> Unable to open /dev/hda
[08:42] <draik> Dr_willis: You mean it's not?!?!
[08:42] <wolfsong> Pitabred: I don't know
[08:42] <mauri> amule does not connected to edonkey server
[08:42] <wolfsong> do you select that at login?
[08:42] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  mount it.. if you cant mount it.. then.. what kind of hd/filesystem is iit?
[08:42] <Pitabred> YEah
[08:42] <Pitabred> There should be a little menu to the bottom right
[08:43] <Kachna>  partitions, / and /boot
[08:43] <Pitabred> kubuntu-desktop doesn't replace gnome, it just adds kde
[08:43] <Kachna> and others not required to do this ofc
[08:43] <Kachna>  / is reiser, /boot is ext
[08:43] <Kachna> 3
[08:43] <wolfsong> but to get kde menus, etc. I use the menu?
[08:44] <Pitabred> ...what?  At the login screen, there's a little paper-like icon that should allow you to select a KDE-session, last session, gnome-session, etc.
[08:44] <Pitabred> Select the KDE session when you login, and you'll be using the KDE desktop instead of the Gnome desktop
[08:45] <wolfsong> ok thanks Pitabred
[08:45] <uga> ... which is best you can do ;)
[08:45] <uga> then apt-get ditch gnome ;)
[08:45] <uga> uh... shame... still not implemented
[08:45] <wolfsong> and how do I switch back to gdm?
[08:45] <Pitabred> Notice how I said it had "gnome session" as an option?
[08:45] <uga> wolfsong: I guess, just like kdm, there's a service called gdm for ubuntu. /etc/init.d/gdm
[08:46] <Dr_willis> the menu to use for the session also moves around depending on the theme. :)
[08:46] <Pitabred> kdm and gdm do the same job.  You only need one.
[08:46] <wolfsong> it seems at one time I found a package that let you select which display manager you wanted to use when X started
[08:46] <Dr_willis> gdm uses a slightly different menu/layout also.
[08:46] <Pitabred> They will both allow you to use either a gnome or KDE session
[08:46] <Kachna> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/root/boot/grub$ cat ./device.map
[08:46] <Kachna> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[08:46] <Kachna> isn't fd0 a floppy?
[08:46] <wolfsong> Pitabred: yes I know but I've never used kde so I'd like to check it out a lil
[08:47] <Dr_willis> yes. its sain /dev/fd0 is a floppy
[08:47] <Dr_willis> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[08:47] <Dr_willis> is saying my first sata drive is hd0 on my setup
[08:47] <jm87> hoe i can find xgl for my kubuntu
[08:47] <Kachna> well,but shouldn't /boot/grub be empty? coz i use another partition for /boot
[08:47] <ScorpKing> for sata sda
[08:48] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  correct. You need to mount/check  the parittion you set up for /boot/
[08:49] <Dr_willis> since on a normal boot of your system /boot gets mounted from that /dev/whatever you set it up in the fstab
[08:49] <uga> it's a shame... given there's no good way to run wine on 64bit, I'm forced to install theBeast
[08:49] <Kachna> yep just mounted,and there's (hd0)   /dev/hda in device.map noe
[08:49] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  its possible you got 2 /boot dirs. One on / with stuff in it.. then the /dev/whatever/yasetasBoot
[08:49] <Dr_willis> and are getting stuff confused between the 2
[08:50] <Kachna> yep,looks like the problem
[08:50] <Kachna> ls ../lost*
[08:50] <Kachna> damn
[08:50] <Dr_willis> thats why i rarely mess with a seperate /boot these days
[08:50] <Dr_willis> Gentoo does it  by default that way.
[08:51] <Dr_willis> I always make a "This is /boot/ and should be empty  since its not the real boot" file in my /boot/ directory to remine me that /boot is NOT mounted yet. :)
[08:51] <jm87> where can i find xgl for  mykubunu
[08:51] <jm87> *kubuntu
[08:51] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  yep. and by default it dosent mount it. or at least it used to not do that.
[08:51] <Dr_willis> i aint touched gentoo in ages.
[08:51] <Kachna> tried installing gentoo,but too difficult for such a noob...well,more like it's long,and after i did one my disk failed,so i decided to use my old disk as i ever did for both data and system,but wanted something faster to get working :P
[08:51] <stdin> jm87: it's in Adept "xserver-xgl"
[08:51] <jhutchins> !xgl | jm87
[08:51] <ubotu> jm87: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:52] <Kachna> well...now...
[08:52] <jhutchins> Kachna: Gentoo is a 1 - 2 day install on average hardware.
[08:53] <Kachna> jhutchins: yep,and i needed to have it working today,so >.<
[08:54] <Kachna> well,what to do now...what if i unmount hda7 (/boot), then rm -rf blah(where it's mounted)/boot/grub,then chroot into system and grub-install..?
[08:54] <uga> jhutchins: it took me half a day on my first install, on a P3 1GHz
[08:54] <uga> jhutchins: but you'll keep installing new packs for days, just like with other distros
[08:55] <uga> jhutchins: it has taken me 3-4 days to have it done right, with kubuntu, on this new box ;))
[08:55] <jhutchins> packs.  sounds like game extensions.
[08:56] <uga> jhutchins: hey, what do you think d P kg installs?
[08:56] <draik> d pkg.... Hmmm.. Kinda looks like Debian PacKaGes, but I could be wrong
[08:57] <uga> yup, packs ;)
[08:57] <uga> if it sounds like game extensions it's not my fault. rpm and dpkg chose same term
[08:58] <uga> the only ones off this, are tarball based distros ;)
[08:58] <uga> good auld slack...
[08:58] <uga> now, not sure what sounds better, if either installing packs, or balls
[08:59] <Kachna> hey,cleaned /boot (woth unmounted boot partition ofc.), so now,what can i do to prevent having stuff there again? O.o
[08:59] <wolfsong> ok so I've got a kde session now but I notice the cursor drifts quite a bit...how do I adjust it?
[09:01] <acee1234> Im trying to use compiz but any combination involving the "super" button does not work. any ideas?
[09:02] <uga> wolfsong: does it? uhm... it may be a bug in the kdm themer if so
[09:02] <uga> it may not be capturing mouse position, or defining part locations properly
[09:02] <uga> wolfsong: oh, you mean _inside_ kde?
[09:02] <uga> not in kdm
[09:02] <uga> that's strange
[09:02] <Dr_willis> the keymap/board/lapout in the xorg.conf may be wrokg acee1234
[09:02] <Dr_willis> wrong. :)
[09:03] <Kachna> Dr_willis: well, tried all the stuff,cleaned everything up(i hope),but when i chroot into my system and rung grub-install, i get this :-( no idea why: /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device.
[09:03] <Dr_willis> Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
[09:03] <Dr_willis>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
[09:03] <wolfsong> uga: yes the pointer drifts at a 45 degree angle as soon as I touch the touchpad
[09:03] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  some times it finds it and other times it dont?
[09:03] <uga> I got disconnected and didn't notice. sorry =(
[09:03] <uga> [21:01]  <uga> wolfsong: oh, you mean _inside_ kde?
[09:03] <uga> [21:01]  <uga> not in kdm
[09:03] <uga> [21:02]  <uga> that's strange
[09:04] <Kachna> Dr_willis: nope, i can mount it,chroot there, but can't open with fdisk and neither use with grub-install -.-
[09:04] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  oh wait.. when chrooting..  the /dev/ stuff needs to be fixed also.. becase your chrooted / is NOT using the same /dev/ as it should be.
[09:04] <Kachna> :
[09:04] <wolfsong> doesn't happen in gnome or e17
[09:04] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  i forget the detauls however. but your real /dev/ has stuff in it.. the chrooted /dev/ dose NOT
[09:04] <wolfsong> changing touchpad sensitivity doesn't help
[09:04] <Kachna> yep it's kinda more empty :/
[09:05] <Dr_willis> theres like 2 commands needed to be done befor chrooting to get /dev/ and /proc right
[09:06] <Kachna> gonna google a bit again
[09:06] <uga> uhm.. beryl
[09:06] <uga> switching desktops with beryl/compositing in use  isn't a good idea
[09:07] <Kachna> Dr_willis: but i can still use hd0,can't i?
[09:07] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  its one of the THINGS i learned from gentoo... the following...
[09:07] <Dr_willis> # mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc
[09:07] <Dr_willis> # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
[09:07] <Kachna> mean if i get into grub console
[09:07] <Kachna> oo
[09:07] <Dr_willis> Kachna,  where 'gentoo' is your chroot mount point. :)
[09:08] <Kachna> great, thanks a lot man!
[09:08] <Dr_willis> i did learn a lot from playing with gentoo for a few months. :)
[09:10] <michiwend> jemand da, der etwas auf deutsch erklren kann?
[09:10] <stdin> !de
[09:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:10] <michiwend> thx!
[09:10] <Kachna> Dr_willis: k i feel done now,rebooting to my system...maybe :-)
[09:11] <Kachna> thanx a lot,will be back :P btw,this is freenode,isn't it?
[09:11] <Kachna> nvm i see
[09:11] <michiwend> guten abend!
[09:12] <michiwend> hab mal ne frage an jemanden, der sich bisschen auskennt
[09:12] <jussi01> !de | michiwend
[09:12] <ubotu> michiwend: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:13] <kloplop> is there a way I can do an If statement in a bash script?
[09:13] <ScorpKing> kloplop: there is #bash
[09:13] <kloplop> an example would be helpfull
[09:14] <stdin> kloplop: yeah "if STATEMENT; then DO THIS; else DO THAT; fi
[09:14] <dudeicles> does anyone here know how to make an iso image from a CD with Kubuntu?
[09:14] <ScorpKing> hi dudeicles!
[09:14] <dudeicles> hey there ScorpKing
[09:14] <emilsedgh> dudeicles: use k3b
[09:14] <dudeicles> how's it going?
[09:14] <stdin> use K3B in KMenu > Multimedia > K3B
[09:15] <dudeicles> ok
[09:15] <dudeicles> is it easy to do?
[09:15] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: i'm great. dd if=/dev/hdd of=dvdimage.iso
[09:15] <kloplop> I know VB .NET, and php, I am not ignorant, but can someone describe how to do an IF statement and a random number creation?
[09:15] <kloplop> in Bash
[09:15] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: or whatever your drive is for /dev/hdd
[09:15] <dudeicles> hmmm
[09:16] <dudeicles> I think it's like /media/cdrom0
[09:16] <stdin> dudeicles: yeah, Tools > Copy CD, and choose the "Only create image"
[09:17] <stdin> kloplop: I just told you how to do an if statement, see #bash and http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[09:18] <Kachna> oh my :-(
[09:18] <kloplop> yeah well, "#bash" doesn't really give too much ingotmation on that(it isn't an example with variabls)
[09:18] <kloplop> variables*
[09:19] <stdin> kloplop: #bash is a channel
[09:19] <stdin> about bash as it happens
[09:19] <kloplop> ohh
[09:19] <kloplop> ok sorry
[09:21] <Kachna> Dr_willis: so,a change,now grub doesn't even try to load,so my guess,he looks for it on /dev/hda1/boot, but it's on /dev/hda7 ....well I'm almost sure it's the case, -> can i just move one to the other and remove the hda7(boot) from fstab?
[09:26] <theakki> hi, ich hab ein problem mit mein wlan, in andere netze komme ich ohne probleme. ber Knetwork-manager auch in wpa oder wep netzte. jetzt bin ich hier am studienort und da kann ich nicht mit dem wlan verbinden. ich habe die bcm4318 karte.... was luft hier schief? - habe schon die verschlsselung vollstndig rausgenommen.
[09:26] <stdin> !de | theakki
[09:26] <ubotu> theakki: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:26] <BrightEyes`> hello! how can i configure my network connection via dhcp from command line? i cant connect to the internet!
[09:27] <draik> BrightEyes`: wireless or wired?
[09:27] <theakki> thx, i change in the german channel
[09:28] <BrightEyes`> draik: wired my friend. can i pm you please?
[09:28] <draik> Sure
[09:28] <jhutchins> BrightEyes`: sudo dhclient <interface> where <interface> is the name of the adapter, eth0, wlan0, whatever.
[09:28] <draik> There you go
[09:37] <BrightEyes`> jhutchins: if it has a gateway?
[09:38] <nazeeh> hi everyone, got a small issue. Adept-updater refuses to work b/c it says that the database is locked. I think that's b/c it crashed earlier. I removed the lock file from /var/lib/dpkg but still doesn't work. Any ideas?
[09:38] <hagabaka> agh i hate the "no public key found" error from apt
[09:38] <jhutchins> !fixapt | nazeeh
[09:38] <hagabaka> why doesn't it just provide an option to fix it, instead of making me have to look up the commands to fix it every time?
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <jhutchins> !aptfix | nazeeh
[09:38] <ubotu> nazeeh: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:39] <jhutchins> nazeeh: sorry.
[09:39] <nazeeh> ubotu: thanks! i'll give that a shot now
[09:40] <nazeeh> worked! Thanks guys!
[09:40] <Kachna> omg!
[09:43] <Dr_willis> OMG! Ponies! :)
[09:43] <Dr_willis> Weee!
[09:47] <denmax_xs> hi people .. :)
[09:47] <denmax_xs> i am new around here. and was lookin for some advice on setting up network settings on my new  ubuntu 7.04 .
[09:47] <uga> uh... what on earth
[09:47] <uga> kubuntu uses dolphin now as default browser?
[09:48] <NickPresta> uga, in gutsy, yep
[09:48] <uga> if only it worked ...
[09:48] <uga> media:/ led me to an empty thing
[09:48] <uga> :/
[09:48] <uga> I had to press "storage media"
[09:48] <stdin> it's gutsy, it breaks often :)
[09:48] <uga> what's the point on bringing kde4 stuff tooooo quickly
[09:48] <NickPresta> uga, for me, using Feisty, media:/ works...
[09:48] <denmax_xs> i did try to get into the general ubuntu channel. but it says that i am banned  ! i have no idea why that would happen
[09:49] <uga> NickPresta: that's the point. gutsy seems to use dolphin, instead of konqui
[09:49] <uga> and doesn't quite work, right now
[09:49] <Dr_willis> uga,  ive having some big issues with little things in gutsy. :) i am going to wait for them to release Service Pack 1 for it.. befor i upgrade. :)
[09:49] <stdin> uga: it's not the kde4 app, it's completely different in kde4
[09:49] <uga> oh, so it's the previous dolphin
[09:49] <NickPresta> uga, i meant in Dolphin on Feisty, it works. I'm sure it will work fine when Gutsy is released
[09:50] <uga> uhm... I reloaded again,... and this time it showed up
[09:50] <uga> sounds like it had a glitch
[09:51] <Dr_willis> I cant get gutsy to play nice with my windows shared direcrotyes.. :(  but thats not a topic for here.. aparently its not a topic on the gutsy bug listings either.. cant find any related info.
[09:53] <stdin> denmax_xs: please join #ubuntu-ops to see why you are banned from #ubuntu
[09:53] <denmax_xs> oh . alright .. thanks stdin
[09:53] <denmax_xs> by the way ,  could u help me on  a small issue on ubuntu ?
[09:54] <stdin> I don't use Ubuntu so I don't know how to navigate in gnoem
[09:54] <Dr_willis> cliock here, click there.. :) whats to know.
[09:54] <Dr_willis> its designed where a monkey can use it.. (oh wait did i say that outloud)
[09:54] <denmax_xs> oh . alright . thanks anyways
[09:55] <Dr_willis> She got dizzy with the Wobbly windows. I had to turn them off. :)
[09:55] <denmax_xs> i am suprised .. even women use linux ? i havent come across that before , dr_willis
[09:55] <Dr_willis> she can launch  the pysol game, and her web browser.. thats all she needs.
[09:56] <NickPresta> denmax_xs, why would you be surprised that women use GNU+Linux?
[09:56] <TeePOG> my wife loves Linux too
[09:56] <Dr_willis> oh she did like how  she could do the yahoo chat and be 3 different people in the same room. :)
[09:57] <denmax_xs> becaseu, nickpresta  - i have never heard of any females using linux .. atleast the people whom i have spoken to
[09:58] <stdin> !women
[09:58] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:59] <NickPresta> Beryl/Compiz-Fusion was all my girlfriend needed to see to want to switch. "Wobbly Windows? Write in Fire?"
[09:59] <NickPresta> lol
[09:59] <xluchox> I need help with wifi
[10:00] <draik> NickPresta: Write in Fire?
[10:00] <Dr_willis> theres a compwiz gimmic ya hit some keys and draw with the mouse and it 'draws' in fire on the screen
[10:00] <Dr_willis> and an annoate feature thats similer.
[10:00] <Dr_willis> lets you draw on top of the desktop
[10:01] <Dr_willis> at least i could see THAT being usefull in some cases
[10:01] <draik> Is that in Beryl or just Compiz?
[10:01] <Dr_willis> who knows any more. :)
[10:01] <Dr_willis> the whole state of the thing has me totally mistified.
[10:01] <NickPresta> yeah. I find a lot of "average" Windows users are surprised that they can do "Mac-esque" stuff on their desktop with older hardware. It appears to be a major point-of-sale in most conversions I have seen...
[10:02] <Dr_willis> NickPresta,  Marketing beats functionalty! the core of apples success!
[10:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:02] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, heh.
[10:03] <Dr_willis> speaking of windows :)   be carefull if buying Halo3 --->>  http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9010
[10:03] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, does that contain spoilers?
[10:04] <neothecat> good afternoon.  i am getting an error while doing "aptitude install openssh-server".  i get invoke-rc.d errors. this is in feisty.  is there a way to get more information on whats causing this error?  ican't find any logs.
[10:04] <Dr_willis> NickPresta,  if you consider spending $130 on a super-deluz edition, that wont even load a spoiler.. :)
[10:04] <Dr_willis> NickPresta,  aprently the dcvd's are lose in the cases.. getting all scratched up
[10:05] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, ah okay. I have my preorder for the 360.
[10:05] <Dr_willis> NickPresta,   leading to   unplayable/installable disks. :)
[10:05] <NickPresta> neothecat, I'm going to do some research right now. Give me a minute
[10:05] <Dr_willis> Not sure if this is for the 360 or PC  ones.
[10:06] <streppel> heya
[10:06] <NickPresta> neothecat, it would help if we could have the exact invoke-rc.d error
[10:06] <streppel> where can i get "aclocal" from?
[10:06] <spartan01> hey, has anyone elses added a repository that refused to let APM open afterwards?
[10:07] <dudeicles> has anyone here used Virtuallbox
[10:08] <kranshi> hola
[10:08] <neothecat> NickPresta: invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "restart" failed.
[10:08] <dudeicles> I have win XP installed on my virtualbox and want to be able to access my extra hard drives
[10:08] <kranshi> hola
[10:08] <streppel> where can i get "aclocal" from?
[10:08] <kranshi> hi
[10:08] <kranshi> ?
[10:09] <neothecat> NickPresta: then a little further down... "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[10:09] <NickPresta> !hi | kranshi
[10:09] <ubotu> kranshi: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:09] <kranshi> pero no nadie habla spanish
[10:09] <kranshi> ?
[10:09] <kranshi> that great! xD
[10:10] <kranshi> not speak english perfect bot i cant talk with u
[10:10] <kranshi> !
[10:10] <NickPresta> !es | kranshi
[10:10] <ubotu> kranshi: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:10] <streppel> where can i get "aclocal" from?<---pls help,i googled and i tryed to use aptitude
[10:11] <NickPresta> streppel, are you sure you don't have it? In a konsole, type `aclocal`
[10:11] <streppel> The program 'aclocal' can be found in the following packages:<---moooo
[10:11] <streppel> nvm it is in automake xD
[10:17] <Dr_willis> Having issues NickPresta ?
[10:20] <guhhh> how do i change the default browser thats opened when i click a link?
[10:21] <streppel> open the browser you want to there should be a "set as default" option or so
[10:22] <Ace2016> i got a laptop today :)
[10:22] <cloakable> How well does compiz/XGL work with dual screens and dual cards?
[10:22] <Ace2016> i asked for xp and the guy said it was going to be 180 extra :(
[10:22] <streppel> cloak it supports it and as you see in severald vids on google it works quiet nice
[10:22] <streppel> youtube,not google*
[10:23] <cloakable> streppel: Heh, I can't view youtube for some reason, but thanks
[10:23] <streppel> xD
[10:25] <Ace2016> Anyone know how i can backup a partition to dvd?
[10:25] <Huey> is it possible to run the installer without booting from the cd?
[10:26] <Huey> perhaps by running it in a chroot jail or something?
[10:26] <Huey> (i don't have cd-rom drive, and would like to install kubuntu on another partition)
[10:28] <streppel> anyone here playing Anarchy online with cedega?
[10:33] <newsense07> i have an app that is constantly maximized beyond my desktop and have to use and and the mouse to view certain areas of the window, any help ?
[10:34] <newsense07> and=alt
[10:35] <squidlick> any reason why i would be expierencing software crashes??
[10:36] <emilsedgh> squidlick: every software in the rowld, crashes...
[10:37] <squidlick> so any reason why the os it self crashes sometimes?
[10:38] <garfield> how do i get to window channel?
[10:38] <emilsedgh> squidlick: os is a software too :)
[10:38] <mray> anybody knows how to add a open ssh account?
[10:38] <streppel> what could be the reason for a sometimes freezing system where can't even kill the X?
[10:38] <USMarine> streppel hardware..
[10:38] <streppel> what exaclty?
[10:38] <garfield> how do i get to window channel?
[10:38] <streppel> it's not the ram,i already tested it
[10:39] <newsense07> streppel: when it freezes can you change to another terminal ?
[10:39] <USMarine> streppel i had power problems before causing exactly that
[10:39] <newsense07> cntrl+alt+f1
[10:39] <streppel> nope
[10:39] <streppel> i can't kill the x(ctl
[10:39] <streppel> ctrl+alt+backspace nor change to another term
[10:41] <newsense07> possibly a non responsive process whith keyboard control+mouse control?
[10:42] <squidlick> is it possible to install flash,java,and other plugins for konquerer on 64bit kubuntu? or do you have to do the 32bit install of mozilla?
[10:42] <streppel> newsense: what does sthis mean?
[10:42] <USMarine> squidlick flash no
[10:42] <dobo> how do i use unicode values in KATE?
[10:43] <USMarine> dobo tools -> encoding
[10:43] <dobo> thanks USMarine
[10:44] <hsystem-x> lol
[10:45] <dobo> what about the other buttons??
[10:45] <dobo> if i wanted to put in 0101
[10:45] <dobo> alt+ doesn't work :(
[10:47] <hsystem-x> lol
[10:47] <hsystem-x> i have a question, how do i do auto identify on konversation
[10:47] <hsystem-x> i configure it to do NickServ IDENTIFY
[10:47] <hsystem-x> then password.
[10:48] <streppel> USMarine what kind of power problems?
[10:49] <USMarine> streppel 20pin to 24pin boards
[10:49] <newsense07> hsystem-x: /msg nickserv identify password
[10:50] <hsystem-x> aja, but i want auto identify
[10:50] <streppel> mhhh nope,my MB has a 24 pin and my power supply has it,too
[10:50] <hsystem-x> i mean dont want to write it all the time.
[10:50] <newsense07> hsystem-x: if your using konversation put that in the commands prompt
[10:50] <USMarine> streppel leave the system doing a memtest at night
[10:50] <streppel> US i already did it last night
[10:50] <hsystem-x> ok im in the identities settings
[10:51] <hsystem-x> what do i put in service
[10:51] <newsense07> using konversation ?
[10:51] <hsystem-x> yes
[10:51] <newsense07> file>serverlist>edit
[10:51] <streppel> up to how much tests i have to let it do until i can be sure it is all right?
[10:51] <streppel> cause i stopped @ about 22
[10:51] <newsense07> hsystem-x: put where it says commands
[10:52] <ScorpKing> hsystem-x: add  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password the commands under server list
[10:53] <USMarine> streppel leave it running for 5 hours
[10:53] <hsystem-x> nice, thank  you.
[10:53] <newsense07> np
[10:53] <hsystem-x> i was trying to do it, by the auto identify section
[10:53] <newsense07> i had the same problem before
[10:54] <hsystem-x> have you tried the gutsy tribe 4?
[10:56] <streppel> and crash again -.-
[10:56] <hsystem-x> LOL
[10:56] <dobo> how do i input utf8 characters??
[10:57] <dobo> i've tried alt+ ctrl alt+
[10:58] <hsystem-x> !gutsy
[10:58] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[10:58] <streppel_> -.-
[10:58] <streppel_> damnd damnd damnd
[10:59] <dobo> !utf8
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utf8 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <dobo> :(
[10:59] <guhhh> !picpaste
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about picpaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <streppel> could it be my graficcard?
[11:00] <hsystem-x> am
[11:00] <hsystem-x> streppel, what are you trying to solve?
[11:01] <streppel> suddenly uptoming freezes of the whole system,not jsut x
[11:01] <streppel> upcoming*
[11:01] <hsystem-x> what was the last thing you modified in the system?
[11:02] <streppel> nothing :P
[11:02] <hsystem-x> any new program?
[11:02] <hsystem-x> package?
[11:02] <streppel> those freezes were there from my beginning using linux on this system
[11:02] <streppel> even livecds freeze somehow
[11:02] <hsystem-x> in other operating systems, does it do the same?
[11:02] <hsystem-x> or only with linux
[11:03] <streppel> in winblows i didn't have this problem
[11:03] <streppel> gimme a sec,installing new nvidia driver
[11:03] <aguitel> how i can add beryl to start when i restarted the system?
[11:03] <hsystem-x> you can do a script, .sh with the commands
[11:03] <hsystem-x> and add them to the startup
[11:03] <hsystem-x> on kde or just, do a session
[11:03] <hsystem-x> with beryl
[11:04] <m477> anyone can tell me what is wrong ? "
[11:04] <m477> Please check if specified sound device
[11:04] <m477> and sample file are accessible.
[11:04] <aguitel> how i do a session?
[11:07] <Streppel> mhh
[11:07] <Streppel> so i updated the driver and i'll have to wait until there was another freeze or if it is fixed
[11:07] <hsystem-x> ok aguitel
[11:07] <hsystem-x> are you therE?
[11:07] <Streppel> *plays around with compiz*
[11:08] <aguitel> yes
[11:08] <hsystem-x> ok look at this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-399645.html
[11:08] <hsystem-x> and jump to the 4 step
[11:08] <hsystem-x> it says
[11:08] <aguitel> thanks
[11:08] <hsystem-x> * 4. Setup automatic start with sessions of Beryl
[11:08] <hsystem-x> from there, read, :)
[11:09] <wesley> i didt know png is better than jpg
[11:10] <hsystem-x> yes, and it is also more bigger
[11:10] <hsystem-x> the size.
[11:10] <m477> wtf ?
[11:10] <m477> help plz
[11:10] <m477> [23:04]  <m477> anyone can tell me what is wrong ? "
[11:10] <m477> [23:04]  <m477> Please check if specified sound device
[11:10] <m477> [23:04]  <m477> and sample file are accessible.
[11:11] <wesley> bigger i did make the same screenshot the jpg was bigger in size than the png
[11:11] <hsystem-x> weird.
[11:11] <hsystem-x> but ok
[11:11] <hsystem-x> since png have more graphics.
[11:11] <wesley> i dont know the different
[11:12] <hsystem-x> yes, png have more light.
[11:12] <terander> Can anyone point in the direction of a converter to html for Konversation-logs? :)
[11:12] <terander> point *me* :)
[11:12] <hsystem-x> more bright.
[11:12] <terander> lol
[11:13] <waylandbill_> jpg is lossy compression. png is lossless compression
[11:13] <ardchoille> terander: apt-cache search txt2html
[11:13] <hsystem-x> when you convert from png to jpeg, the images tend to lose quality
[11:13] <wesley> Kdenlive is on the right waty is it
[11:14] <terander> ardchoille: thanks, I'll have a look at it :)
[11:15] <wesley> With Kdenlive there's finaly a good alternatief 2 movie maker
[11:15] <terander> ardchoille: though I was thinking of something like this: http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ :-)
[11:15] <ardchoille> terander: It's in universe
[11:16] <terander> ardchoille: but it doesn't support konversation logs...
[11:16] <terander> ardchoille: yes, I've installed it - will look at it now :)
[11:16] <ardchoille> terander: aren't konversation logs just a text file?
[11:16] <SeanTater> hsystem-x, wesley: They have different purposes. Jpeg is made for images with many colors, like photographs, while png was made for lossless graphics like you'll find on the web.
[11:17] <wesley> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Woz6Q5ofc Look guys a amv i did make in Kdenlive
[11:17] <terander> ardchoille: yes, but if you look at the examples from the link I gave, the colorization parses the files, and it needs to understand them
[11:17] <ardchoille> terander: Ah, yes, ok.
[11:17] <terander> ardchoille: :-)
[11:18] <hsystem-x> you are dbz fanatic right?
[11:18] <ardchoille> terander: MAybe you should compile irclog2html
[11:19] <terander> ardchoille: I'm using the latest SVN version - it's Python based, so I don't think I need to compile it... It's just that it doesn't work with logs from Konversation :-)
[11:20] <rustalot> how do you rename the computer from the command lin e
[11:20] <ardchoille> terander: Ah
[11:21] <terander> ardchoille: :-)
[11:21] <wesley> what do you think of Kdenlive?
[11:21] <frodak> hello
[11:22] <Biovore> kinda of a neat program.. Been using avidemux.. but kdenlive is kinda cool..
[11:24] <wesley> i use avidemux for creating the clips to use in Kdenlive because the cut funtion is 100% okay
[11:24] <frodak> Is there a way to disable a wireless network card?   It is not properly installed or detected I just want to turn it off for now.
[11:24] <syd> what can i use to format my pendrive?
[11:25] <jhutchins> frodak: not really, you can disable the drivers by blacklisting them so they won't load, but it's still there, it's going to do some level of power consumption.
[11:25] <ardchoille> syd: qtparted, gparted, parted, etc
[11:25] <syd> i'll try, tahnks
[11:25] <frodak> Thats good enough, how do you blacklist?
[11:26] <wesley> I am realy glad with Kdenlive so got the spirit to create some amvs
[11:29] <ardchoille> !blacklist
[11:29] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[11:29] <gary_> hi, does the FX 5200 correspond to an nvidia-glx-new driver from the repos?
[11:30] <gary_> i'm lookin at nvidia's list and it's under 97xx driver
[11:30] <ScorpKing> rustalot: do you want to change your hostname?
[11:31] <gary_> if i install the nvidia-glx-new driver, where do i get its kernel?
[11:31] <ardchoille> !nvidia gary_ | Here's the tutorial
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia gary_ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <gary_> thx
[11:32] <ardchoille> !nvidia | gary_
[11:32] <ubotu> gary_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:32] <xl1> Install from sep21 dvd 7.10 crashes
[11:33] <rustalot> ScorpKing: yeah, nvm I figured it out..
[11:33] <ScorpKing> ok
[11:33] <xl1> is that a know issue? Log says something about package list
[11:33] <ardchoille> xl1: 7.10 is beta, it's going to have problems. You should ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:33] <xl1> OK, thanks
[11:34] <ubuntu> Hi everybody
[11:34] <gary_> hello
[11:34] <Kilowatio> hi
[11:34] <Kilowatio> who is here ?
[11:35] <abominius> nobody
[11:35] <Kilowatio> haha
[11:35] <Kilowatio> i see
[11:35] <ScorpKing> only you
[11:35] <Kilowatio> where are you from ?
[11:35] <ScorpKing> far far away :)
[11:35] <Kilowatio> where ?
[11:35] <abominius> me more far
[11:35] <ardchoille> !ot
[11:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:36] <Kilowatio> ok ok
[11:36] <Kilowatio> Argentina ?
[11:37] <abominius> Kilowatio: this is not a general chat
[11:37] <Kilowatio> okkkk
[11:37] <Kilowatio> bye
[11:37] <ScorpKing> Kilowatio: type /join kubuntu-offtopic
[11:38] <Kilowatio> yes i know
[11:38] <Kilowatio> how i can close this room ?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Kilowatio: /wc
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Kilowatio: /quit
[11:39] <terander> ardchoille: the txt2html might work with some work, but I think I'll try to hack the python code in irclog2html instead.... Thanks for the help anyway :-)
[11:39] <ubuntu> mmmm
[11:39] <ubuntu> this room!!!!!!!!! no the server
[11:40] <ardchoille> terander: :)
[11:40] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: ok to /pm ?
[11:40] <terander> Kilowatio: what do you mean? do you want to close this room or the connection to this server, or how to close this application?
[11:41] <abominius> lol
[11:51] <feierfox> hi
[11:54] <jjesse> ok something happened in an upgrade and i don't get past the grub boot
[11:54] <jjesse> any help or thoughts?
[11:54] <garfield> how do i get to window channel?
[11:54] <ScorpKing> what is the error you get?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> garfield: /j ##windows
[11:55] <garfield> ok
[11:55] <jjesse> hold, i see "starting up" and then "kernel panic - not syncing: vfs unable to mout root fs on inkonw-block"
[11:56] <jjesse> its a virtual machine of gutsy, when i click into that vm, my numlock and scroll lights flash
[11:58] <jjesse> is there a way to reapir grub
[12:00] <ScorpKing> jjesse: i think it's a problem with the UUID in /etc/fstab. just checking
[12:00] <jjesse> ScorpKing: ok, is there a quick grub repair that could take of that ?
[12:01] <jjesse> its my kde4 box and i'd hate to have rebuild/recompile
[12:02] <ScorpKing> jjesse: not sure. can't get to google. change /ect/fstab to use /etc/hd* instead of the UUID's. maybe that helps. not sure.
[12:02] <jjesse> ScorpKing: ok thanks
[12:03] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: PM? Sure.
[12:04] <oem> #ubuntu-hr
[12:14] <Kachna> how was that channel for compiz and stuff pls? :-)
[12:15] <fkm> Kachna,  #compiz-fusion ?
[12:15] <Kachna> oh here we go xD thx
[12:15] <fkm> You're welcome :)
[12:20] <mle> hello all, newbie question, how do i change the screen resolution on my thinkpad lenovo T60, running Kubuntu on Feisty fawn
[12:21] <mle> right now it's at 1024x768, but i'd like it to be higher, but there isn't a higher option in the Settings applet
[12:21] <jhutchins> mle: Well, traditionally Ctrl-Alt-kp+/kp- step through available resolutions; you might find krandrtray useful.
[12:21] <ardchoille> !fixres | mle
[12:21] <ubotu> mle: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:21] <jhutchins> mle: You may be able to find a propietary driver for your video chipset that will allow it to go higher.
[12:22] <garfield> taking music from linux to put on xp is a big no no i just lost more then 1000songs :(
[12:22] <mle> yes i have the proprietary ati driver installed, fglrx
[12:22] <jhutchins> garfield: Restore your backup.
[12:22] <garfield> to late
[12:22] <garfield> i allready reinstall linux
[12:24] <ardchoille> garfield: The proper way to do that is to burn them to DVD (or cp to ext hd) first so you'll have a backup
[12:25] <imachine> hey
[12:25] <imachine> I installed kubuntu, but I want ubuntu, how can I remove kubuntu and get ubuntu on the machine ?
[12:25] <zobi8225> exit
[12:25] <zobi8225> sorry
[12:25] <garfield> ardchoille: my burner gone to bits in the plane i forgot to put srews in it
[12:25] <imachine> I want to remove all kde applications. but, apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop doesn't do anything, it just removes the meta-package.
[12:26] <imachine> also, how's the restricted manager, language support, etc ubuntu appps coming into kubuntu? it seems crippled that way ;(
[12:28] <hydrogen> restricted-manager-kde is in gutsy
[12:28] <oem> i have got just imstall ubuntu
[12:28] <imachine> gutsy ?
[12:28] <imachine> I have 7.04
[12:28] <oem> amyone kmows goood pakage
[12:28] <ardchoille> !ubuntu+1
[12:28] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[12:29] <imachine> ok
[12:29] <oem> my 6.06
[12:29] <ardchoille> oem: Package for what?
[12:29] <Tm_T> oem: good what?
[12:29] <oem> working of the sistem
[12:29] <ardchoille> oem: You're going to have to be a little more specific
[12:30] <oem> amarok does not work
[12:30] <oem> i can not lisen to the music
[12:30] <Tm_T> oem: you mean mp3 or what?
[12:30] <oem> jea
[12:30] <oem> mp3
[12:31] <garfield> my icons on my desktop are invisible how do i make them reapair?
[12:31] <jhutchins> !mp3 | oem
[12:31] <ubotu> oem: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:31] <Tm_T> !mp3 | oem
[12:31] <Tm_T> jhutchins: slow
[12:31] <jhutchins> heh.
[12:31] <imachine> hydrogen, what else is in gutsy thats missing in feisty ?
[12:31] <imachine> kubuntu-wise
[12:31] <jhutchins> imachine: ?
[12:31] <jhutchins> imachine: It's just the next release, not something new.
[12:31] <ardchoille> garfield: kcontrol > Desktop > Behavior > Show icons on desktop
[12:31] <imachine> yes
[12:32] <imachine> wondering what it brings in
[12:32] <imachine> since you said it brings in the kde-restricted-manager for example.
[12:32] <hydrogen> apport (a crash handler)
[12:32] <jhutchins> imachine: Well, it's offtopic here, but you could read the changlog notes on the wiki - i'm sure someone in +1 could point you to them.
[12:32] <imachine> what else, do you know? importantt things. I don't care about graphical rubbish.
[12:32] <garfield> oem: just install " libxine-extracodecs"
[12:32] <hydrogen> and just general improvements
[12:32] <hydrogen> strigi stuff
[12:32] <imachine> okay
[12:32] <imachine> cool
[12:32] <imachine> pity I didn't know about it.
[12:33] <seanj> what is the graphical sudo for KDE?
[12:33] <imachine> well I'll just stick to Ubuntu for now
[12:33] <imachine> thanks!
[12:33] <imachine> ksudo
[12:33] <imachine> or kdesu
[12:33] <seanj> thanks!
[12:33] <garfield> ardchoille: it's was allready selected
[12:34] <imachine> btw, do you guys know if apt-get has an option to remove all packages dependant on a package?
[12:34] <ardchoille> garfield: Have you specified which icons you want to see on the desktop (other tabs)?
[12:34] <imachine> like, apt-get remove -f kubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <imachine> you know what I mean ?
[12:34] <ardchoille> imachine: apt-get remove --auto-remove  < -- removes the package and its deps
[12:34] <imachine> no, not the deps of the package.
[12:34] <ScorpKing> i have not received any news in akregator in the past 3 days. is that normal?
[12:34] <imachine> but the packages that depend on it
[12:35] <garfield> ardchoille: no.dont worry i overwrite them and alot of them just show they self again
[12:35] <ardchoille> imachine: Well, it you remove a dep, then all packages dependent on that dep should be reoved also
[12:35] <ardchoille> *removed
[12:35] <imachine> well.
[12:35] <imachine> the package kubuntu-dsktop is a meta package.
[12:36] <imachine> so it just pulls in other packages by dep
[12:36] <imachine> if I can get it's deps, and remove those...
[12:36] <ardchoille> imachine: But, if you remove kde before installing another wm or desktop, you might end up screwing the system
[12:36] <imachine> then I'll be the closest to removing kubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <imachine> hey I'm okay with working in console
[12:36] <imachine> I'm not a newbie
[12:36] <imachine> :)
[12:36] <LjL> imachine: sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:36] <imachine> autoremove ?
[12:36] <LjL> careful though, LOOK at what it tells you it'll remove
[12:36] <LjL> yes, as in auto and remove
[12:37] <imachine> so if I do sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop
[12:37] <ardchoille> imachine: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop --auto-remove  ?
[12:37] <imachine> okay will take a alook
[12:37] <imachine> cheers
[12:37] <LjL> imachine: no, it doesn't work like that. well you can type it, but it'll be the same as running sudo apt-get autoremove alone (except it'll also remove kubuntu-desktop)
[12:37] <imachine> oic
[12:38] <LjL> ardchoille: is that new? i only knew of "autoremove" as a command
[12:38] <imachine> so ardchoille's version is better for me
[12:38] <LjL> not as an option