[01:28] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: Been afk for a bit.... Anyway, i'm a bit afraid of apparmor because i don't know what it does. For all i know, i could make all my stuff inaccessible to myself if i do something wrong.
[01:30] <Balaams_Miracle> But i love to experiment, especially with new things.
[01:31] <branstrom> Does anyone using Compiz experience windows opening with no content inside the decorations but a black area? It's just a black window. The controls are apparently still there, my mouse cursor changes when I move it over the window, and tooltips and menu popups show up. But there's no window content displayed.
[01:31] <Balaams_Miracle> branstrom: I get that too, but after closing a couple of windows, the problem goes away.
[01:32] <branstrom> Yeah, but it's annoying :)
[01:32] <Balaams_Miracle> So right now the trick is not to have too many windows open, because they eat video RAM
[01:32] <branstrom> Oh. I only have 128MB.
[01:33] <Vorbote> It is a mandatory access control (MAC) system. There is a lot of controversy among the proponents of SELinux and those of AppArmor because they use differnet approaches to security. SELinux is much more complete but it is like the 800-pound gorilla. AppArmor is nimble and delivers what it promises without much fuss. OTOH, SELinux can be a pain to use. I've lost (Fedora 4, which was a lemon) filesystems to a bad SELinux retagging. But things have c
[01:33] <_lemsx1_> branstrom: i've found that killing and restarting compiz brings my windows back
[01:33] <Balaams_Miracle> I could make it more, because it's shared memory. But still.
[01:33] <Vorbote> AppArmor wouldn't slow down a small machine, SELinux, ooohhh yes.
[01:34] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: So, does AppArmor function without any user interaction? Or can a user royally screw up his system with it?
[01:37] <Vorbote> Balaams_Miracle: AppArmor works with a predefines set of rules and you can add more on your own with it s user tools; the config files are easy to understand.
[01:38] <Vorbote> Have a lokk at /usr/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd
[01:39] <Vorbote> look to (can't stop being distracted :-)
[01:40] <Balaams_Miracle> Trying to find it, but that exact path/file does not exist on my system
[01:40] <Vorbote> It would if you were using gutsy :-)
[01:41] <Vorbote> Ohh, Pebcak, pebcak!!!!!
[01:41] <pwnguin> so wacom tools got moved out of xorg.conf
[01:41] <Balaams_Miracle> I knew it! :-)
[01:41] <Vorbote> /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd
[01:41] <pwnguin> is there a replacement?
[01:44] <soothsayer> How can I determine why 'suspend' from the gnome logout menu fails. ('/etc/acpi/sleep.sh force' works)
[01:45] <Vorbote> soothsayer: read the output of dmesg for anything strange related to ACPI and resume. That'll give you clues.
[01:48] <soothsayer> Vorbote: dmesg is unhelpful
[01:49] <soothsayer> Vorbote: Just some 'lid switch', 'sleep button', and 'power button' messages
[01:50] <Vorbote> If the codes show in the the output, you can use those data to reprogram the keys in the keyboard applet.
[01:51] <Vorbote> Else try enabling bootlog in /etc/defaults and rebooting. That'll record more than what you ever wanted to ask about your boot up somewhere in /var/log.
[01:51] <soothsayer> Vorbote: Is that ^ directed at me?
[01:51] <Vorbote> yes
[01:52] <soothsayer> Vorbote: I'm invoking suspend from gnome logout menu, not via keypress.
[01:55] <Vorbote> soothsayer: hmm... Could be a problem with the DSDT in the BIOS
[01:55] <soothsayer> Nothing seems to happen (screen doesn't even blank), just the libnotify messsage. Suspend-to-ram was working in Feisty. Configs in /etc weren't changed much (and I reviewed them0
[01:55] <Vorbote> soothsayer: check if there is an updated ACPI file in http://acpi.sourceforge.net/
[01:56] <Vorbote> There's been lots of "fixes" to the suspend code lately, perhaps you could file a bug and get a fix before release.
[01:57] <Vorbote> As well as other things, two kernel releases in a week...
[01:58] <leperkhanz> At least on the random reboots, I don't have to all the way restart the machine, and restarting X works now.
[01:58] <leperkhanz> I hated booting all the way back to ground zero all the time.
[01:58] <soothsayer> Vorbote: The problem is it is very difficult to troubleshoot. "My suspend doesn't work" isn't likely to be very helpful
[01:59] <soothsayer> (helpful to developers)
[02:00] <Vorbote> There is a protocol in the Wiki to debug kernel problems but I can't find it now... The bootlogd logs would help a lot too.
[02:01] <soothsayer> Vorbote: Alright thanks. I'll try to dig up the info and putz around a bit.
[02:02] <Vorbote> Good luck with that!
[02:02] <soothsayer> heh
[02:03] <flodine> is there a easy way to remove the ubuntu icon from the menu and use the gnome footprint of old?
[02:05] <Vorbote> flodine: overwriting one with the other as far as I know.
[02:08] <soothsayer> Is it possible to remove the icon completely? (i.e. to move a useful button/menu in its place)?
[02:08] <Vorbote> soothsayer: not really it is an integral part of the menu.
[02:08] <soothsayer> Vorbote: Integral? In what way?
[02:09] <Vorbote> click on applications and you'll see.
[02:09] <soothsayer> What am I seeing?
[02:10] <Vorbote> That the selected region covers both the icon and the text.
[02:10] <Vorbote> You can move it out, renaming it or whatever, and it would not be loaded. I'm not sure the resulting space would shrink though.
[02:10] <soothsayer> Vorbote: I guess I don't follow. What is the difference from, say, the 'places' menu
[02:12] <Vorbote> the places menu doesn't have an icon embedded in the display, while the applications menu...
[02:12] <soothsayer> Vorbote: Exactly. And the places menu seems to work fine. What is so 'integral' about that icon then?
[02:13] <Vorbote> I'm sure there is a way to change it with gconf, and even of hiding it. The latter may need the use of devils-pie though.
[02:14] <Vorbote> The icon has been programmed as part of the applications menu applet. It is an integral part. (And now we are walking into semantics and lexicography. really want to go there? :-))
[02:14] <soothsayer> Seems like a waste of space to me. And misleading. I would expect it to be separate button (like the Apple menu on OSX), rather than decoration for a menu; decoration which is absent on the functionally identical menus adjacent.
[02:15] <Vorbote> And why do you think the GNOME gui designers are considered lower life-forms in some circles?
[02:16] <CountX> what webbrowser is the best for fast and has tabs?
[02:16] <ConstyXIV> can you get the deskbar to hang off the panel instead of it's own window again?
[02:16] <Vorbote> I dunno, each graphical desktop I've used has got so horible warts that I just try to pick the less poisonous... :-)
[02:16] <ConstyXIV> CountX: opera
[02:16] <CountX> ConstyXIV: fast? opera runs slow on mine
[02:17] <ConstyXIV> CountX: you could give epiphany or konqueror a shot, but konqueror uses kdelibs, which you may not want
[02:17] <Vorbote> CountX: perhaps ConstyXIV is talking of the 9.5 (kestrel) technical preview. That one is fast.
[02:17] <ConstyXIV> yeah, i use kestrel
[02:17] <CountX> Vorbote: link me?
[02:17] <ConstyXIV> but i thought 9.2 was pretty fast too
[02:17] <soothsayer> CountX: You could go for a console based client if you really wanted as-fast-as-possbile
[02:17] <ConstyXIV> CountX: labs.opera.com
[02:17] <Vorbote> Not enough.
[02:19] <rustalot> so how well does flash work on 64bit gutsy? I'm currently using 32bit gutsy on my machine ( b/c feisty doesn't work on my laptop), and I'm thinking of switching...
[02:19] <ConstyXIV> my only real issue with opera is that it's a QT app in gnome, but some skinnage smooths that over enough
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> rustalot: It has been fine recently
[02:21] <Vorbote> But don't get the alpha-1, rather get a weekly from http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
[02:21] <Vorbote> lots of bug fixes.
[02:22] <rustalot> IntuitiveNipple: So if I wanted to switch from 32 to 64 bit, I just back up my home directory and copy it into the new machine, right?
[02:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, depends how modular you want to be. I have separate partitions for /boot and /home, and then I can use more than one root for different versions. E.g. I currently can boot Feisty 32-bit and Gutsy 64-bit and keep all the same settings
[02:23] <arakthor> Hi, I have a laptop with a screen that supports a resolution of 1900x1200. With the default nv driver, it displays correctly; however, with the nvidia restricted driver the resolution is still at maximum, but I have to scroll around the screen to see everything. Does anybody have any ideas where settings for that may be found?
[02:34] <skyfaller> hey folks... I'm interested in installing Ubuntu on my new Macbook Pro.  Do you recommend trying Gutsy Tribe 5?
[02:34] <pwnguin> instead of feisty?
[02:35] <skyfaller> pwnguin: yes
[02:35] <cowbud> anyone else here heard of the feared white terminal issue and have a fix for it? I am using an Nvidia card on Ubuntu Gutsy
[02:35] <pwnguin> if you're new to linux/ubuntu/debian, i dont think it's a good idea
[02:35] <c01100011> does screen and graphics preferences really require a reboot after every change ? or is restarting X enough ?
[02:36] <pwnguin> get feisty, and you can upgrade rather simply
[02:36] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: not yet
[02:36] <crimsun> c01100011: latter.
[02:36] <skyfaller> pwnguin: heh, I got Feisty running, and I wanted to use Compiz, so I tried upgrading to Gutsy b/c I understand Compiz is turned on by default
[02:36] <gnomefreak> you will regreat upgrading now sadly
[02:36] <skyfaller> and of course it screwed everything up
[02:36] <pwnguin> skyfaller: except on upgrades
[02:36] <c01100011> crimsun, thanks
[02:37] <skyfaller> pwnguin: oh, really?  I guess that was a pointless exercise then
[02:37] <pwnguin> skyfaller: you can still enable it manually
[02:37] <skyfaller> gnomefreak: When?  Do I really have to wait until Oct 18th?  Shouldn't Gutsy be, like, almost ready by now?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> upgrade also kind of broken atm
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> skyfaller: You would be better trying one of the daily CD builds http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[02:38] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: you dont have to wait but X has a few bugs some worse than others atm and wont be fixed til end of next week or later
[02:38] <skyfaller> ah, interesting
[02:38] <skyfaller> so the daily build will be better than Tribe 5?
[02:38] <pwnguin> i just meant install feisty then upgrade at gutsy release, not right now, heh
[02:38] <gnomefreak> oh and dailt desktop cds are not in best shape and iirc the alternate cd is still oversized
[02:39] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: my advice for safest way is to wait for tribe 6
[02:39] <skyfaller> gnomefreak: Tribe 6 isn't being released, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:39] <gnomefreak> only showstopper/important fixes in the next week as i understand it universe might get in but they are gonna be tight
[02:39] <IntuitiveNipple> tribe-6 was cancelled
[02:39] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: thats why the word wait was there
[02:40] <IntuitiveNipple> beta in 4 days time :)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ther eisnt a tribe 6 its beta 1
[02:40] <gnomefreak> and it will be released around friday
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i think date is thursday but friday is better bet
[02:40] <skyfaller> hm...
[02:40] <skyfaller> *sigh* I really need Linux now, and I was dissatisfied with Feisty
[02:41] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: feel free to upgrade but EXPECT it to brake
[02:41] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: use feisty if you need linux
[02:41] <gnomefreak> use gutsy if you need something to brake
[02:41] <pwnguin> break
[02:41] <gnomefreak> that too
[02:41] <skyfaller> gnomefreak: yes, it did break, I have to wipe and reinstall
[02:41] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: its going to
[02:41] <pwnguin> heh
[02:41] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: stick with feisty for now
[02:41] <pwnguin> thats rate
[02:41] <pwnguin> rare
[02:42] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: not really upgrades have been really bad the last week
[02:42] <skyfaller> pwnguin: well, I don't *have* to, I just don't feel like figuring out all of the weird problems
[02:42] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: install feisty than check back end of the week and just upgrade
[02:42] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: as i said feel free to do it now but theres a very good chance from what i have seen heard it WILL break
[02:43] <gnomefreak> kernel is fairly stable :)
[02:43] <crimsun> (it will, just tried this afternoon)
[02:43] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i did it the day dpkg broke :(
[02:43] <pwnguin> heh
[02:43] <gnomefreak> talk about running in circles trying to figure it out
[02:44] <pwnguin> so was the nvidia-glx break my fault, or did other people experience that?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> i use the -new and other than X being messed up it works great
[02:44] <pwnguin> i upgraded today and wound up without -new
[02:45] <pwnguin> (dpkg hates reboots)
[02:45] <gnomefreak> change monitor from monitor buttons X fails to do the right thing but will find out more when bryce gets to that bug
[02:45] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: what card?
[02:45] <pwnguin> quadro nvs 100m
[02:46] <gnomefreak> im gonna assume that is a nvidia
[02:46] <pwnguin> ive fixed it all up
[02:46] <pwnguin> yea
[02:46] <skyfaller> So my problem with Feisty was that it didn't recognize my nvidia card or something... I had to use the alternate CD, and X11 wouldn't start after I installed, I had to hack the config file to use some other driver
[02:46] <gnomefreak> is it a fx4
[02:46] <gnomefreak> or whatever it is :(
[02:46] <pwnguin> its closer to a geforce 7300
[02:46] <gnomefreak> geforce4? or reg.
[02:46] <skyfaller> I was hoping that a Gutsy install would have an updated nvidia driver or whatever that would support my computer properly
[02:46] <pwnguin> uh
[02:47] <pwnguin> im 99.9 percent resetting during an upgrade caused the problem
[02:47] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: it does but you will hard pressed to get it installed and working on feisty and upgrade isnt worth the breakage
[02:47] <pwnguin> but geforce4 is an ANCIENT card
[02:47] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: not really
[02:47] <pwnguin> after the geforce4s they started naming it 5x00,6x00 etc
[02:47] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: late feisty devel they killed support
[02:47] <pwnguin> i know
[02:47] <gnomefreak> they are now supported by the nvidia-glx from us
[02:48] <gnomefreak> and legecy for nvidia iirc
[02:48] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: nvidia is fixable on feisty
[02:48] <skyfaller> gnomefreak: what do you recommend
[02:48] <skyfaller> ?
[02:48] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: thats not likely to be X fault
[02:48] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: what card what driver did you install?
[02:48] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: did you use restricted-manager to install it?
[02:48] <pwnguin> macbooks come with nvidia chipsets?
[02:49] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: ask festy questions in #ubuntu
[02:49] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: why not?
[02:49] <skyfaller> pwnguin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbook_pro#Specifications
[02:49] <gnomefreak> afaik mac hardware is same as everyone elses minus the proc
[02:49] <skyfaller> pwnguin: new Macbook Pros have an nVidia Geforce 8600M GT
[02:49] <gnomefreak> oh shit
[02:49] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[02:49] <pwnguin> heh
[02:49] <skyfaller> gnomefreak: really?
[02:49] <pwnguin> they used to have ati
[02:50] <pwnguin> skyfaller: check the wiki page for macbooks
[02:50] <gnomefreak> 7600 and up have always been a beast to set up
[02:50] <pwnguin> there should be advice on the subject since they're common
[02:50] <Fracture> !info nvidia-glx-new
[02:50] <c01100011> trying to setup dual screen, thought screen & graphics preferences would aid my woes, but i am still having no luck. help please
[02:50] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-12.1 (gutsy), package size 4895 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[02:51] <skyfaller> pwnguin: ah, thanks for the pointers... the page has been updated since I last looked
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i cant remember what cards it was but the drivers were iffy
[02:52] <gnomefreak> that site might be helpfull if they told you what video card was there
[02:52] <gnomefreak> ah i see it
[02:53] <gnomefreak> and depending when your manf. date is would change alot
[02:53] <skyfaller> ... mine is definitely one with an Nvidia card, i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProSantaRosa
[02:54] <skyfaller> there aren't any significant differences between Santa Rosa models as far as I'm aware
[02:54] <flodine> this software they call gutsy really run ok for me
[02:55] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: again it depends if it was made before june 5 2007
[02:56] <skyfaller> right, if it was made before that it has an ATI card instead of an Nvidia card
[02:56] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:56] <gnomefreak> very big difference in cards
[02:56] <gnomefreak> and support
[02:56] <skyfaller> right
[02:56] <skyfaller> well, mine is definitely the latter
[02:57] <gnomefreak> skyfaller: use the restricted-manager to install the drivers it will set everything up for you just might have to restart X
[02:57] <gnomefreak> kernel team has been extreamly busy
[02:57] <gnomefreak> brb
[03:00] <skyfaller> so it's not clear to me from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProSantaRosa whether I want Gutsy or Feisty
[03:12] <rhaag71> having gusty problem, was told to come here...
[03:13] <rhaag71> Did update this morning, warm boot, then no more gnome panel
[03:27] <arooni_> advice on resizing my laptops hard drive.  i was thinking of doing:  10GB for /, 81.97 gb for /home, and 2 GB for swap ...... does this make sense?  should I do something else?
[03:31] <joe_> Anyone know how to get the screen brightness adjustable under Ubuntu?
[03:31] <joe_> The latest set of updates seems to have messed mine up.
 folks gparted keeps crashing when i try to reszie partitions on my ubuntu live cd
[03:40] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: try the alternate cd, just use the partitioner there
[03:40] <arooni_> oh man i already wiped this cd for the live cd
[03:40] <arooni_> tarheelcoxn, can i do that without having to reinstall ubuntu
[03:41] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: I'm confused. you're trying to re-do partitions but you don't want to reinstall?
[03:41] <arooni_> thats right
[03:41] <arooni_> i already have ubuntu installed
[03:41] <arooni_> but now i want to resize a couple partitions i have
[03:42] <arooni_> specficially the /home
[03:42] <tarheelcoxn> you added a drive or something?
[03:42] <tarheelcoxn> why are you trying to resize /home?
[03:43] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: ^^
[03:43] <arooni_> tarheelcoxn, hey again; its because i have subsequently blown away windows
[03:43] <arooni_> and have decided i will go 100% linux
[03:45] <gnomefreak> the daily cds are a bit messed up they have been working late to get things ready to build beta1 please wait until next week to use the desktop cd, the alternate cd may still be oversized as well
[03:45] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: tip #1: back up your data somewhere else
[03:45] <arooni_> tarheelcoxn, its backed up
[03:45] <spasticteapot> Has anyone fixed the no-brightness-adjustment bug in Gutsy?
[03:46] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: second question, then. why are you already on gutsy?
[03:46] <gnomefreak> spasticteapot: check on launchpad.net for the bug. i havent come across it in my email yet
[03:46] <arooni_> tarheelcoxn, the only way that i could get my t61 to work with ubuntu
[03:46] <tarheelcoxn> ahhh
[03:46] <arooni_> intel's graphics card
[03:46] <arooni_> x3100
[03:46] <gnomefreak> lol poor intel cards
[03:46] <arooni_> :(
[03:47] <gnomefreak> the drivers are all kinds of mucked up
[03:47] <gnomefreak> yes its being worked on
[03:47] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: have you tried another liveCD? like systemrescuecd?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> tarheelcoxn: all the desktop(live cd) dailies are screwed up
[03:47] <arooni_> tarheelcoxn, no i havent; got a link?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> wait until around tuesday they should be fixed
[03:48] <arooni_> do people know that compiz is broken?
[03:48] <arooni_> for intel cards?
[03:48] <arooni_> in newest gutsy?
[03:48] <gnomefreak> that is about the day they will start spinning the beta ISO's for devel testing
[03:48] <tarheelcoxn> gnomefreak: that's why I'm suggesting arooni_ try a different livecd (ie. not ubuntu)
[03:48] <gnomefreak> arooni_: depends on the card some intel cards will NOT beablet o use compiz at all
[03:49] <gnomefreak> tarheelcoxn: the differnet live cd is built off the same live cd as the rest
[03:49] <gnomefreak> hence all will be broken
[03:49] <arooni_> gnomefreak, but i was able to use it fine before
[03:49] <arooni_> fereshest updates
[03:49] <gnomefreak> arooni_: i didnt say it was your card that was blacklisted or failure for drivers
[03:49] <tarheelcoxn> arooni_: http://www.sysresccd.org/wiki/opensearch_desc.php
[03:51] <spasticteapot> Someone needs to fix the X3100 bug.
[03:51] <tarheelcoxn> gnomefreak: if sysresccd is ubuntu-based, that's news to me
[03:51] <gnomefreak> hold that thought i need to see this out
[03:53] <arooni_> why doesnt my compiz work then :(
[03:53] <arooni_> but first
[03:53] <arooni_> how should i resize /home
[03:53] <spasticteapot> It's an intel graphics card, so bloody everyone will be using it.
[03:55] <arooni_> nevermind
[03:55] <arooni_> gparted is coming through!!!!!!!!
[03:56] <rhaag71> anybody have a problem with gnome panel today after (early) updates?
[03:57] <help> \rhaag71
[03:57] <gnomefreak> rhaag71: a bunch of people
[03:58] <rhaag71> what happened, i sifted thru logs and didnt c anything
[03:59] <rhaag71> is there an 'irc practice' channel, have'nt done this since days of dial up BBS
[04:00] <hydrogen> err
[04:00] <hydrogen> how do you practice?
[04:01] <rhaag71> don't know, I just don't want to bug people (no pun intended)
[04:01] <gnomefreak> rhaag71: please file a bug report if noone has yet but there have been atleast 10 poeple complaining about it
[04:01] <rhaag71> filed early this morning, thanks
[04:02] <gnomefreak> thank you :)
[04:02] <gnomefreak> more than likely its part of the X bugs
[04:02] <gnomefreak> not gnome
[04:02] <rhaag71> I was thinking, because everything else seems to work fine, but no alt-f2
[04:03] <tarheelcoxn> bug 141609
[04:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[04:04] <rhaag71> I had the problem with savage on a T23
[04:04] <rhaag71> at least I don't have bug no. 001, thanks guys.
[04:04] <tarheelcoxn> hehe
[04:15] <arooni_> did anyone have a problem launching gnome setting daemon
[04:15] <arooni_> latest updates breaks it for me
[04:20] <tarheelcoxn> heh. X is completely dead for me (bug mentioned above)
[04:22] <tarheelcoxn> ooh. new kernel.
[04:22] <spasticteapot> arooni_: yes.
[04:22] <CountX> i have a weird problem
[04:22] <CountX> when i boot sometimes it wont go into X, it says something about a drive with errors
[04:23] <CountX> ctrl+alt+del restarts and it boots fine
[04:23] <spasticteapot> CountX: It might just be that your filesystem/hard drive is flakey.
[04:23] <CountX> spasticteapot: just?
[04:24] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: have you installed smartmontools and run diagnostics on the drive?
[04:24] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: should i?
[04:24] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: if you're worried about your hard drive, yes
[04:25] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: theres nothing wrong with the hard drive its been solid for about 2 months
[04:25] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: how do you know without diagnostic output?
[04:25] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: they work fine now
[04:25] <CountX> tarheelcoxn: and always have, just lately its no booted sometimes
[04:26] <CountX> actually, pretty reliably
[04:26] <CountX> almost every boot it goes to that screen and i have to ctrl+alt+del
[04:28] <CountX> how do i run smartmontools?
[04:28] <CountX> sudo?
[04:28] <CountX> it as if its no installed
[04:28] <spasticteapot> CountX: If your hard drive/file system is bad, it means at most ten or twenty hours of work. If the Gutsy hard-drive management bits are gone, it means hundreds of hours of work.
[04:29] <CountX> spasticteapot: what?
[04:29] <CountX> this all started when i used gparted
[04:30] <CountX> damn you gparted
[04:31] <CountX> can you tell me how i can check for harddrive erros?
[04:31] <CountX> like smartmontools wont start
[04:33] <CountX> has anyone gotten webcams to pickup under a flash bassed site?
[04:33] <CountX> like stickam.com?
[04:34] <CountX> also wireless
[04:34] <CountX> that would be great to get working
[04:34] <CountX> so i can actually have a laptop instead of a portable pc with a weak battery
[04:36] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: if you're having trouble with the things you've just listed, you really shouldn't be trying to run gutsy
[04:36] <tarheelcoxn> gutsy simply isn't ready
[04:37] <terlmann> gutsy is fine
[04:37] <terlmann> Im using it right now
[04:37] <terlmann> I wish it had kde4 though
[04:38] <terlmann> gnome .20 is good :-)
[04:39] <tarheelcoxn> the /topic doesn't seem to agree
[04:40] <CountX> isnt gutsy close to release?
[04:40] <CountX> 1 month?
[04:42] <spasticteapot> CountX: Yes.
[04:42] <spasticteapot> For two months a year, every Ubuntu developer on the planet is in a state of "Oh crap, we'll never get this done in time."
[04:44] <tarheelcoxn> CountX: what spasticteapot said. this past week I've pulled more than 10 updates a day, a couple of days more than 50 updates
[04:44] <Dr_willis> of course look at the good side.. the # of updates for Feisty has dropped dramaticially! :)
[04:44] <spasticteapot> I think that Ubuntu is going to fail, simply because it's going to give all the poor developers aneurysms.
[04:45] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[04:45] <spasticteapot> You can't have any Linux gurus if they don't live past 30.
[04:45] <spasticteapot> Slackware developers are usually too busy sledding to do any bugfixing.
[04:45] <tarheelcoxn> 's why we have to pitch in!
[04:45] <tarheelcoxn> join the bugsquad and whatnot
[04:45] <tarheelcoxn> drink from the firehose, as it were
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[04:47] <Dr_willis> The windows shares browsing seems to be not working right. Odd.
[04:48] <terlmann> I update during the night :-)
[04:48] <terlmann> with fvwm , fvwm-crystal , kde , e17 and gnome installed..
[04:49] <terlmann> well I can't fail to get a working GUI!
[04:49] <terlmann> plus there is fluxbox too!
[04:49] <tarheelcoxn> you could fail if Xorg died
[04:50] <tarheelcoxn> which has happened to me. I've been ambling along with out Xorg since Friday morning
[04:50] <emf> Hi. I just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy. My old user can login, but the graphical shell doesn't load. I added a new user, and upon running `startx`, they get to what looks like gnome, but then the screen becomes white. I'm using the very latest September "nvidia" driver. If I change my driver to "nv", I can see gnome, and use my machine (though no 3d acceleration, of course). Can anybody help me logging into a graphical shell using the "
[04:50] <emf> nvidia" drivers?
[04:51] <terlmann> not really
[04:51] <terlmann> they are crap mon
[04:51] <tarheelcoxn> emf: it's closed. closed == no help
[04:51] <terlmann> one thing you could do
[04:51] <terlmann> add extra cooling to your gpu
[04:51] <terlmann> and cross your fingers
[04:51] <terlmann> I threw away a geforce 5500
[04:51] <terlmann> because of this
[04:52] <terlmann> back to ATI for me :-)
[04:52] <RAOF> emf: Ah, you've got Xgl installed?
[04:52] <emf> RAOF: I believe so. I've seen a message saying as much. Should I remove it...?
[04:52] <RAOF> emf: It can't work if you've manually installed the nvidia drivers, so yes.
[04:53] <CountX> what if ubuntu gets a tv commercial?
[04:53] <emf> RAOF: (I was using Beryl before)
[04:53] <RAOF> Or you could uninstall the nvidia drivers, and reinstall mesa and install nvidia-glx-new, which is the very latest nvidia drivers.
[04:53] <RAOF> emf: Beryl had a statically linked copy of mesa (ugh).
[04:54] <emf> RAOF: Ahh, neat! I'll give that a shot. I've always installed my nvidia drivers manually, but I'd prefer to allow Ubuntu to manage them.
[04:54] <emf> RAOF. I'll return upon the completion of that test, and let you know my results. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[04:55] <RAOF> emf: NP
[04:55] <terlmann> emf
[04:55] <emf> ?
[04:55] <terlmann> get some extra cooling for it
[04:55] <terlmann> like a 12 volt fan taped to the heat sink ?
[04:55] <terlmann> makes it run better :-P
[04:56] <emf> Haha, I've noticed Beryl runs my GPU into a nice little space heater.
[05:00] <DanaG> 100.14.19 seems to give me black screen on VT switch.
[05:00] <DanaG> I've gone back to .09.
[05:02] <RAOF> DanaG: I've got that with all the nvidia drivers.  Unsetting "sync to vblank" in compiz works around that.
[05:02] <m1ke> Gutsy user here.  It updated to latest at the moment.  When I hover my mouse overt items, and no longer get the comment or pop up extra info, but instead I get a black box.  For example, when using any window i position my mouse over the minimize,maximize,exit icon,and it doesnt display that text any more.  It just shows a black box.  This happens with any application that has any information that will be displayed when mouse is hovered
[05:02] <m1ke>  over.
[05:03] <emf> RAOF: Neat! That totally worked!
[05:03] <DanaG> that bug didn't used to happen to me with 97.55.
[05:04] <RAOF> emf: The nvidia installer is annoying.  It overwrites libGL, and doesn't make a backup.
[05:05] <emf> tarheelcoxn: closed != no help, it would seem (I have a similar aversion to closed software myself, so I understand where you're coming from)
[05:05] <RAOF> m1ke: That's a problem with your theme.  Clearlooks and such have now got support for changing the colours of tooltips.  Sadly, it seems the default colours are black-on-black :)
[05:06] <emf> RAOF: Yeah, I think I'll stick with the ubuntu-packaged nvidia drivers. Thanks for the help!
[05:11] <m1ke> RAOF, man you are smart.  yea, i had it on clear looks, made the appearance change and all now fixed.
[05:11] <RAOF> m1ke: Not so much smart, as have been bitten by that before :)
[05:11] <terlmann> I love my clearlooks and latest kde + gnome
[05:12] <terlmann> finally , no ugly gtk 1.* !!
[05:51] <AmyRose> !ask | AmyRose
[05:51] <AmyRose> Hahaha
[05:51] <AmyRose> What is the difference between the 386 and generic kernels?
[05:59] <crdlb> AmyRose, 386 is for really old computers that don't support SMP, etc
[05:59] <AmyRose> Oh
[05:59] <AmyRose> So why did it become the default when I upgraded?
[05:59] <crdlb> it shouldn't have
[06:00] <crdlb> but if it does get installed for whatever reason, it has priority over generic
[06:05] <jscinoz> Will games with rootkit based security (gameguard, hackshield, etc) ever work in wine?
[06:06] <AmyRose> jscinoz: Probably not, unless they are cracked
[06:06] <jscinoz> >_<
[06:06] <AmyRose> jscinoz: Your best bet is probably going to be to look for a crack
[06:06] <jscinoz> guess i'll have to keep my XP install around for a few things >_<
[06:06] <AmyRose> jscinoz: I just gave them up
[06:06] <Biovore> anyone know how to disable compiz on gusty gnome.. I notice its on by default.. Kills 3d gaming..
[06:07] <jscinoz> Yeah i have, problem is the games are MMORPG's, which ban you if they detect tampering with client >_<
[06:07] <jscinoz> biovore, system>preferences>appearnce>desktop effects tab
[06:07] <Biovore> ok
[06:07] <jscinoz> biovore, if you want to run games with compiz start compiz with the --indirect-rendering option
[06:07] <Biovore> where do I need to add that at?
[06:07] <AmyRose> Biovore: The way I'd do it is to hit Alt-F2 and type "metacity --replace", but what do I know since I'm just a KDE user
[06:08] <jscinoz> I find that if you close compiz via metacity --replace, X restarts
[06:08] <AmyRose> jscinoz: Hmm... kwin --replace doesn't do that
[06:08] <bur[n] er> metacity --replace doens't do it here either
[06:08] <jscinoz> idk maybe compiz just hates me
[06:08] <jscinoz> i stopped using it a while ago, far to unstable
[06:08] <bur[n] er> i bet it's metacity that hates youy
[06:09] <bur[n] er> try the fusion-icon for switching/
[06:09] <jscinoz> yeah i know
[06:27] <DanaG> Where'd iwl3945 go?
[06:29] <tekhawk> ran diablo 2 brightness is all out of wack now anyone know how to adjust it on a nvidia card
[06:31] <tekhawk> going to try to restart x
[06:32] <tekhawk> right that worke
[06:32] <tekhawk> d
[06:37] <DanaG> hmm, something interesting about stac9250, that I dug up from Apple's driver INI, of all things:
[06:37] <jdhore> Are the Alpha's of Firefox 3 (Gran Paradiso) going to keep hitting Gutsy?
[06:37] <DanaG> Variable mic boost -- up to 40 db.
[06:46] <DanaG> !hda-intel
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda-intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <DanaG> !intel
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <DanaG> aah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:08] <jimmyww> where do i find some screenshots of 7.10
[07:14] <Amaranth> jimmyww: it looks like 7.04
[07:14] <okuser> Hi. I just upgraded to Gutsy, and when my user logs in, nothing happens. It's just an entirely-brownish screen. If my user runs startx, he's greeted with the X11 checkboard pattern, and the X mouse cursor, and nothing happens. Do you know what file must be present for gnome to start?
[07:15] <okuser> (I created a new user, and he can start gnome fine)
[07:23] <jimmyww> thx
[07:26] <Lynoure> I'm looking at Kubuntu upgrade instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu and that command alone does not seem to upgrade anything for me. I assume I'll have to change the sources.list. Do I just change all feisty to gutsy, or something else?
[07:36] <DanaG> wtf?   File size is 64147 bytes, cluster chain length is 0 bytes.
[07:36] <DanaG>   Truncating file to 0 bytes.
[07:37] <DanaG> Aaargh, fsck just killed some of my files!
[07:37] <DanaG> And it didn't ask me, despite passing -r for 'repair interactively'.
[07:37] <arooni_> folks
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh wait, it DID ask to "perform changes" -- thank goodness I selected no.
[07:39] <arooni_> i have 2 lcds... when i maximize windows .... is there anyway to get it to maximize across both LCDs?  (specifically for movie player)
[07:39] <mon^rc1> nice work guys :D
[07:39] <Lynoure> uh, If I do nothing about the repositories, the Version Upgrade welcomes me to version 6.10 :/
[07:40] <Lynoure> (my very first install was 6.10 beta. This one is 7.04, and I'm of course trying to upgrade to Gutsy tribe5)
[07:42] <leperkhanz> I would wait till the final release comes out.  There are still quite a few kinks to work out in the current version. :/
[07:43] <Lynoure> I like prereleases
[07:44] <Lynoure> I just want to see instructions for proper was to upgrade Kubuntu, so that if there are any upgrade bugs, I can report those too.
[07:44] <Lynoure> adept_manager --version-upgrade alone does not seem to do it, not even with sudo
[07:45] <Lynoure> ah, second time around it sees Gutsy.
[07:54] <Lynoure> kdesu 'adept_manager --version-upgrade'  gave http://pastebin.com/m5a9d1b2a as the result of downloading tha verifying upgrade tool, then exited with a message saying it cannot verify the tool
[07:55] <Lynoure> Next time around it still get the warning, but it claims to be ready to upgrade
[07:56] <Lynoure> Oh, the second nag was about the key not being signed, not the file
[07:58] <Lynoure> Unfortunately the upgrade dies in middle.
[08:03] <Lynoure> It terminates in Preparing for upgrade.
[08:03] <Lynoure> I'd strace it, but I cannot for the life of me remember how to quote a command with quotes already in it
[08:16] <weltall> hi, i've a core2duo based computer. i've tried gutsy tribe 5 for amd64 but it doesn't work correctly: the kernel works (so the computer supports 64bit) but just after the first screen, when you should see the ubuntu logo, the screen disables itself and altough it continues reading the screen is unusable. any ideas about this?
[08:17] <weltall> i've tried the desktop cd either in normal and safe graphic mode
[08:26] <tarheelcoxn> weltall: what graphics hardware?
[08:26] <weltall> nvidia 8600M GT
[08:26] <weltall> the normal x86 build works fine
[08:26] <tarheelcoxn> weltall: no graphics trouble with the x86 build?
[08:26] <weltall> yeah
[08:27] <tarheelcoxn> odd
[08:27] <weltall> should i try the current build?
[08:27] <tarheelcoxn> if you don't mind giving it s shot, why not?
[08:28] <tarheelcoxn> !weekend
[08:28] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[08:28] <weltall> ok i'm using cdrw so it isn't a problem :)
[08:28] <osmosis> where is /etc/inittab ?
[08:29] <tarheelcoxn> osmosis: you have an /etc/init.d directory in ubuntu
[08:29] <osmosis> tarheelcoxn: where do I set ttys ?
[08:29] <osmosis> s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty ttyS1 19200
[08:30] <Lynoure> weltall: if you happen to use kubuntu, and upgrade, please tell me how you did it :)
[08:30] <tarheelcoxn> osmosis: good question which I should know the answer to, but unfortunately I'm exhausted and should've already gone to bed. :(
[08:30] <weltall> no i just use ubuntu
[08:30] <osmosis> tarheelcoxn: im assuming that it got moved to upstart somehow
[08:30] <osmosis> tarheelcoxn:  /etc/event.d  someone said
[08:31] <weltall> and i'm going to "update" by formatting the / when gutsy final comes out
[08:34] <tarheelcoxn> osmosis: thanks
[08:35] <daSkreech> Lynoure: Hello
[08:36] <Lynoure> daSkreech: hi
[08:36] <daSkreech> Lynoure:Right what happened now?
[08:37] <Lynoure> It terminates in Preparing for upgrade, no error messages, or anything.
[08:38] <Lynoure> I was thinking of stracing it, but could not kind the way to do the quoting right
[08:38] <Lynoure> s/kind/find
[08:38] <daSkreech> :-)
[08:38] <daSkreech> are you specifically testing this way of upgrading?
[08:39] <Lynoure> I'm trying to stick to the way that will be recommended to masses once Gutsy is out, yes.
[08:40] <Lynoure> But I guess I might want to upgrade some other way, if that fails completely.
[08:40] <daSkreech> Lynoure: Well if you want to make a report you can ask in #kubuntu-devel
[08:40] <daSkreech> they should be interested to hear of hitches
[08:42] <daSkreech> Which adept do you have Lynoure?
[08:43] <Lynoure> adept-manager --version  says 2.1 Cruiser
[08:44] <daSkreech> So which upgrade are you using?
[08:44] <daSkreech> --version-upgrade?
[08:46] <Lynoure> daSkreech: yes, as I'm on feisty
[08:46] <daSkreech> Lynoure: they are both for feisty. one is if you have updated adept since installing feisty
[08:49] <Lynoure> daSkreech: only saw instruction saying "You can also upgrade from an existing 7.04 (feisty) install with adept_manager --version-upgrade or from gutsy with adept-manager version2.1.3ubuntu7 or newer run adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel'
[08:50] <Lynoure> mine's just normal feisty version, I think, 2.1.2ubuntu26
[08:50] <daSkreech> right so kdesu adept_manager --version-upgrade
[08:51] <osmosis> Hmm...I don't see a /dev/ttyS0  being created.  whats up with /dev
[08:51] <Lynoure> any idea how to escape the quotes in strace -f -s 100 -o upgrade.strace 'kdesu \'adept_manager --version-upgrade\' '  as this way does not seem to work?
[08:54] <Lynoure> nor with outer quotes being double
[08:54] <nanonyme> hmm, apparently you shouldn't use ubuntu in bad network environment
[08:55] <Lynoure> nanonyme: hmm?
[08:55] <hylje> the networking is slightly flaky
[08:55] <daSkreech> "kdesu \"adept_manager --version-upgrade\" " doesn't work ?
[08:55] <nanonyme> updating repository info failed on integrity check, apt database lock didn't open
[08:55] <nanonyme> so i can't do aptitude update again
[08:55] <Lynoure> daSkreech: no...  strace: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" : command not found
[08:56] <Lynoure> daSkreech: though   kdesu 'adept_manager --version-upgrade'  is found
[08:56] <nanonyme> though i'll probably open the lock manually when i wake up more
[08:56] <daSkreech> "kdesu \"adept_manager --version-upgrade\" "
[08:57] <nanonyme> the point was, ubuntu apparently can get broken in bad network environment
[08:58] <nanonyme> currently latency 333ms and packet loss 21%
[08:58] <Lynoure> oh, not a quote problem, but a strace syntax problem
[09:05] <Lynoure> uh
[09:05] <Lynoure> daSkreech: This upgrade works when I strace it but not without
[09:06] <Lynoure> freaky, only seen such happen once before.
[09:06] <daSkreech> ha ha :) damn sprograms
[09:07] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:08] <Ben_Cs> what version of xfce is shipped with xubuntu gutsy?
[09:09] <weltall> i've tried the current one
[09:09] <weltall> same results
[09:31] <interim_descript> Is there any trick getting emerald to work? When I run it, it says, "emerald: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0""
[09:42] <jussi01> interim_descript: #ubuntu-effects for that sort off stuff :)
[09:56] <daSkreech> Lynoure: Ping
[09:57] <Lynoure> daSkreech: pong
[09:58] <daSkreech> Lynoure: A moment of your precious time in #kubuntu-devel
[09:59] <daSkreech> Lynoure: If possible
[09:59] <Lynoure> daSkreech: sure
[10:06] <chemturion> Just installed Gutsy! It's great!
[10:11] <daSkreech> chemturion: cool! ready to try Hardy?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> yay, hardy!
[10:32] <nandemonai> Hiya guys. Just ran through the latest updates, kernel included and now my 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller isn't being picked up. Anyone run into something like this since the updates? Was working fine pre-update.
[10:47] <pkern> Does somebody know how to create an initial xserver config?
[10:51] <RAOF> pkern: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will do it.  Depending on how many questions you want asked, you can append "-phigh" or "-pcritical".
[10:54] <pkern> RAOF: xresprobe crashes the display...
[10:54] <pkern> So that one does not work.
[10:55] <RAOF> Ah, awkward.
[10:55] <pkern> And failsave X complains that it can't find `get-edid'.
[10:55] <RAOF> And you can't function with no xorg.conf?
[10:57] <qzio> sure, in gutsy you can have x without an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:57] <qzio> RAOF: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:57] <qzio> oh, pkern that was for you
[10:57] <qzio> sorry!
[10:59] <pkern> Bah, why doesn't Ubuntu have pdiffs...
[11:00] <RAOF> Because we update the repository every 15 minutes?
[11:01] <RAOF> pkern: You may want the "read-edid" package :)
[11:06] <pkern> RAOF: apt-cache doesn't list it.
[11:06] <RAOF> pkern: Hm, neither did apt-file.  But /msg ubotu find get-edid returned that.
[11:06] <pkern> But I just fixed it... hah. Running exec /usr/bin/gnome-session in ~/.xinitrc gave me a desktop which then asked me to activate fglrx.
[11:06] <RAOF> :)
[11:07] <pkern> So after five tries to install it, it finally succeeded :D
[11:08] <pkern> The touchpad feels weird somehow.
[11:09] <RAOF> Probably because we now do some touchpad setup without gsynaptics.
[11:09] <pkern> Well, vertical scrolling works which I hadn't on Gentoo because some weird of the synaptics driver. Yay.
[11:10] <pkern> Strange grammar I write today. Bah.
[11:10] <RAOF> I suggest installing gsynaptics (or ksynaptics on KDE), and adding Option "SHMConfig" "true" to your synaptics section in xorg.conf.
[11:10] <RAOF> That will get you 2-finger middle-click, and a bunch of other stuffing.
[11:13] <pkern> RAOF: Hm. I don't get settings wrt 2-finger middle-click.
[11:14] <RAOF> No settings, it just works.
[11:14] <RAOF> ksynaptics offers settings, though.
[11:14] <pkern> If I knew the setting's name for `synclient -l' I could check if my touchpad supports that. ;)
[11:33] <pkern> Hm, but the right-bottom edge is right click, FWIW.
[11:34] <pkern> RAOF: With ksynaptics/syndock loaded and "Tapping disabled" unchecked, two-finger tapping works.
[11:34] <pkern> RAOF: So gsynaptics is missing that bit. What a pity.
[11:39] <RAOF> pkern: Works here?
[11:44] <Richie> Hello, how do i increase the virtual memory?
[11:45] <RAOF> By adding more swap :)
[11:45] <RAOF> Now, for an actually *useful* answer.
[11:45] <RAOF> (1) Why do you want to?
[11:46] <RAOF> (2) With mkswap & friends.
[11:46] <Richie> Because when i try to calculate pi to a billion places it says out of virtual memory
[11:46] <RAOF> Right.
[11:46] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[11:46] <Richie> does it to 100 million places fine
[11:47] <RAOF> Any particular reason you need to calculate pi to 1*10^9 places?
[11:47] <Richie> a fetish
[11:47] <Richie> got text files 10^2, 10^3 etc...
[11:47] <RAOF> Because no matter how much virtual memory you have, you'll always be able to exhaust it that way.
[11:48] <Richie> well it worked 10^8
[11:48] <RAOF> Yup.  And if you increase your VM sufficiently, it'll work 10^9 but not 10^10, and so on.
[11:48] <Richie> righto
[11:49] <Richie> if i get it to a trillion i'll be happy
[11:50] <RAOF> Richie: So, "man mkswap" will help.
[11:53] <Richie> yeye, ty
[11:58] <Richie> why does it say out of virtual memory when only 2% of the swap is being used
[11:58] <julo> hi
[11:58] <RAOF> Richie: No idea.
[11:58] <Richie> darn it all
[11:58] <RAOF> Richie: Maybe it maps a bunch of stuff into its address space.
[11:59] <RAOF> Richie: The answer then is to use a 64bit distribution.
[11:59] <julo> I've just upgraded to gutsy and noticed a huge speed difference: GNOME is way slower than it was with feisty on the same laptop. The screen takes longer to refresh, and everything is sluggish. ANy idea what could go wrong ? xorg ? kernel ? gtk ?
[11:59] <julo> By the way, I have a P4 2GHZ laptop, with an ATI Radeon Mobility M6
[11:59] <julo> and 256 MB of RAM
[12:00] <RAOF> julo: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[12:02] <julo> RAOF: RAOF:
[12:02] <julo> oups sorry
[12:02] <RAOF> :)
[12:02] <julo> RAOF: no I don't
[12:03] <RAOF> julo: Well, that's that avenue of amazement down.
[12:04] <julo> RAOF: by the way, I don't even use compiz
[12:04] <RAOF> No, I don't know of any reason for performance regressions.
[12:04] <crdlb> make sure you're not using vesa or something :)
[12:05] <RAOF> Good point :)
[12:05] <crdlb> ie pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:05] <julo> crdlb: I'm using the "ati" driver
[12:05] <watterman> Do anyone know when would be good and stable ATI drivers??
[12:05] <RAOF> 2198
[12:06] <crdlb> ;p
[12:06] <crdlb> it won't be too long before there is support almost comparable to intel
[12:07] <Richie> just wait for AMD to get their finger out of their arse
[12:07] <Richie> lol
[12:07] <RAOF> Yeah, that'll be the day.
[12:07] <RAOF> Maybe nvidia will stop sucking, too.
[12:07] <crdlb> but it will be from the open source end of things
[12:07] <RAOF> (Apparently their hardware is easier to write to).
[12:07] <watterman> I have Radeon X800 and i cant play on linux games :-(
[12:08] <crdlb> RAOF, but ati with specs is easier than nvidia with no specs :P
[12:08] <RAOF> Quite true.
[12:08] <RAOF> I was just hoping that there may possibly be specs for nvidia sometime in the next 5 years.
[12:10] <watterman> And know anyone, how can I set on tone at startup and end ubuntu?? Srry for my english, i am from Czech republic ;-)
[12:15] <julo> crdlb: where can I paste my xorg.0.log ?
[12:16] <crdlb> !pastebin
[12:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:16] <julo> !pastebin
[12:19] <Richie> i hate internal speakers
[12:20] <Richie> the vibrations cause my whole laptop to  freeze up..spent two days thinking it was a driver problem
[12:34] <branstrom> Hey guys. What's the best video driver to use mplayer? The fastest?
[12:35] <Toma-> 'null'
[12:35] <Toma-> whats wrong with xv?
[12:35] <pkern> Yay, I deactivated the internal modem in BIOS, now the sound does not work anymore. Wow.
[12:37] <branstrom> Toma: well "gl" was faster but I want something that's faster, I'm playing 720p .mkv (matroska) movies
[12:41] <Richie> pkern: nice mobo
[12:43] <pkern> Richie: ThinkPad.
[12:43] <Richie> pkern: :|
[12:59] <soul9> networkmanager is fscked up
[12:59] <soul9> at least knetworkmanager is
[01:00] <soul9> ! networkmanager bugs
[01:01] <soul9> and konqueror freezes on yahoo mail
[01:02] <soul9> anyone having problems on kubuntu?
[01:11] <gaminggeek> hey guys
[01:12] <soul9> hey
[01:12] <gaminggeek> after I have installed the nvidia driver I have had problems with my resolution not being set right
[01:13] <gaminggeek> it worked fine with the opensource one that comes with the ubuntu
[01:13] <soul9> yes
[01:13] <soul9> did you nvidia-xconfig?
[01:14] <gaminggeek> yep
[01:14] <gaminggeek> I have got it sorta worked out
[01:14] <gaminggeek> also compiz crashes sometimes when you change the resolution with gnome
[01:15] <soul9> yes, well compiz is alpha
[01:15] <soul9> but what's the prob. with resolution
[01:15] <soul9> ?
[01:16] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[01:16] <contrast83> Does anyone here use Nicotine?
[01:16] <gaminggeek> it sets the screen at its correct res but the acctual view is larger than the screen
[01:16] <gaminggeek> smoking is bad contrast83
[01:17] <contrast83> The Soulseek client, not the drug. ;-)
[01:17] <gaminggeek> what is soulseek?
[01:18] <contrast83> A P2P program
[01:18] <gaminggeek> looks alot like dc
[01:21] <contrast83> It hangs when I try to run it. I get this error on the command line: gst.ElementNotFoundError: playbin. I tried installing gstreamer-alsa but that didn't do anything. Any ideas?
[01:36] <leo_rockw> hello everyone
[01:37] <leo_rockw> is anybody else having problems with amarok fading functions?
[01:37] <Fracture> (though only when I have > 4 apps running)
[02:12] <Subhuman> is there anyway to disable the fallback X conf?
[02:12] <Subhuman> i want to see the actual X error
[02:17] <guardian> hi
[02:18] <guardian> i just upgraded gutsy and now i get the xorg config screen before gdm, claiming hardware detection failed
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> Subhuman: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:18] <guardian> even if i select the proper screen specs and video adapter it still works only in 800x600 failsafe
[02:18] <guardian> any idea please ?
[02:19] <Subhuman> nosrednaekim, cheers :)
[02:19] <Subhuman> guardian, i just had the same thing, i booted into gnome, and ran the config in X and it worked fine.
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> guardian: maybe thats all it supports with that driver... try selecting the vesa driver
[02:21] <guardian> driver is nvidia opensourc
[02:21] <guardian> the box has a 6600GT gpu
[02:21] <guardian> gonna check with vesa
[02:21] <n0yd> Does the mozilla-plugin-vlc package work for anyone else?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> guardian: nv should be able to handle at least 1024x768... odd
[02:22] <n0yd> It appears to be in the correct location after installing, but the browser isn't picking it up
[02:22] <guardian> odd indeed, it used to work smoothly
[02:23] <bjwebb> ping room
[02:24] <guardian> are mac book pro santa rosa supported in 7.10 ? anyone knows that ?
[02:24] <bjwebb> hi
[02:24] <bjwebb> im not getting 3D acc. with gutsy, but i did with feisty :S
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> guardian: should be
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> guardian: I know santarosa in general is
[02:25] <guardian> is there a script that would regenerate xorg.conf as setup would write it ?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> sudo that ^^
[02:26] <Richie> nosrednarkin: what would you suggest to do if that didnt work?
[02:26] <Richie> cause same thing happened to me..couldnt fix it..so im in old kernel now
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Richie: that sounds like a driver issue..
[02:31] <Richie> i reinstalled the nvidia-glx-new drivers and then tried the nvidia-glx
[02:31] <Richie> all i could select was 640 x 480
[02:32] <dmakalsky> Hi, is there a synaptic way of getting AWN ?
[02:34] <guardian> same here
[02:34] <guardian> i tried to revert my xorg.conf that used to work
[02:34] <guardian> but without success
[02:37] <void^> try Option "UseEDID" "false" and specify VertRefresh/HorizSync in the monitor section
[02:43] <mnemo> when is prints "seg fault (core dumped)" .... where is the core file stored?
[02:44] <guardian> it did nt help
[02:44] <guardian> need to switch to something else
[02:44] <guardian> it seems that my nvidia 6600GT keeps being detected as a 6800
[02:44] <guardian> maybe that's the reason
[02:59] <IndyGunFreak> !dvd
[02:59] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:01] <IndyGunFreak> how do you enable dvd codecs in Gutsy?.. i've got mp3, avi, etc, working fine... just not dvd
[03:02] <qzio> tried vlc? i think it's better then totem
[03:03] <soc> hi
[03:04] <IndyGunFreak> yes, i prefer vlc to, but its not working either.
[03:04] <IndyGunFreak> i have libdvdread3 installed,
[03:04] <IndyGunFreak> i think the issue is gonna be libdvdcss.
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> where can i download it?
[03:05] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[03:05] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> i installed all the gstreamer packages
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> RAOF: do those work with Gutsy?.. i assume they do.
[03:05] <RAOF> Or, alternatively, /usr/share/doc/libdvdread/getcss.sh, or whatever it's called.
[03:05] <IndyGunFreak> RAOF: tried that, it didn't work.
[03:06] <IndyGunFreak> there's no gutsy repo.
[03:06] <IndyGunFreak> for medibuntu
[03:06] <RAOF> Eh.
[03:06] <RAOF> apt-get source, pbuilder?
[03:06] <pkern> Does anyone know if a way to set brightness on ATI graphics (fglrx)?
[03:06] <soc> i just saw some nice wallpapers and thought, maybe it would be nice to provide a set of "animal" wallpapers in hardy as a default theme ...
[03:07] <soc> like those: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-lion-claar-1680_2.jpg
[03:07] <soc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-elephant-1680x1050.jpg
[03:07] <soc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-giraffe-1680x1050.jpg
[03:07] <soc> i really liked that idea ...
[03:08] <soc> it would match ubuntus "african origin"
[03:09] <soc> what do you think?
[03:13] <bjwebb> how do i check whether the gutsy install has installed any propeitary bits?
[03:13] <RAOF> System->Administration->Restricted Manager.
[03:14] <IndyGunFreak> hm, i have libdvdread3, and libdvdcss2 installed, and dvd playback still isn't working.
[03:14] <pkern> Hm. /sys/class/backlight/thinkpad_screen/brightness -- but why do those keys just set the blacklight to 0... bah.
[03:14] <bjwebb> RAOF: rite i checked there
[03:14] <bjwebb> actually its called "Restricted Drivers"
[03:14] <RAOF> Also, anything from Multiverse.
[03:14] <bjwebb> cos ive got kubutnu
[03:14] <bjwebb> is it exactly the same thing
[03:14] <RAOF> Probably.
[03:15] <bjwebb> RAOF: if there a apt command that will tell me if i have any multiverse packages
[03:15] <bjwebb> IndyGunFreak: :O
[03:16] <RAOF> bjwebb: Hm.  "aptitude search ~smultiverse" will pick up anything in *section* multiverse.
[03:16] <bjwebb> RAOF: k, thanx
[03:17] <bjwebb> o, all of them :S
[03:17] <soc> bjwebb: or try vrms
[03:17] <bjwebb> soc: seriously, or is that a joke?
[03:17] <soc> ehh yes?
[03:17] <bjwebb> o its real
[03:18] <bjwebb> "Virtual Richard Matthew Stallman"
[03:18] <soc> "Virtual Richard M. Stallman" shows you all nonfree packages :-)
[03:18] <soc> :-P
[03:18] <RAOF> bjwebb: Yeah, that lists all of them.  You could... "aptitude search ~smultiverse | grep ^i" to find all the installed ones.
[03:18] <bjwebb> RAOF: ahh, i was wondering what i should grep for
[03:19] <RAOF> :)
[03:19] <RAOF> 'i' at the start of the line
[03:19] <bjwebb> RAOF: yeah
[03:20] <bjwebb> hmm vrms brings up linux-generic :S
[03:20] <bjwebb> and linux-restricted-modules-*
[03:20] <soc> omg ... sco was right :-)
[03:21] <bjwebb> lol
[03:21] <bjwebb> wtf
[03:22] <soc> does anyone have an opinion about those wallpapers?
[03:23] <soc> i would really find it interesting to hav a specific wallpaper "theme" in hardy
[03:23] <IndyGunFreak> i like the first one, other two are to dark for my taste
[03:26] <bjwebb> how can i found out why ive got restricted modules for my kernel?
[03:26] <soc> ah ok ...
[03:33] <chrissturm> I am trying to add a launcher to a panel, and when i want to browse for the icon the browser doesnt show any files. any idea why that could be?
[03:34] <IdleOne> chrissturm: browse to the dir and hit ctrl+h ( show hidden files )
[03:34] <chrissturm> does not work either
[03:35] <chrissturm> it shows only directories
[03:35] <IdleOne> chrissturm: you certain the files are there?
[03:35] <chrissturm> even if i go to the default dir /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scaleable/apps
[03:36] <chrissturm> IdleOne: can you check if it works for you? (Add to panel / Custom application launcher / Click on the button with the icon)
[03:37] <IdleOne> gimme a sec
[03:37] <IdleOne> icons all load for me in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/gnome-panel-launcher.svg
[03:38] <chrissturm> yes, but then click browse
[03:38] <IdleOne> yeah it opens a browser
[03:38] <chrissturm> with files?
[03:38] <IdleOne> you need to go to a folder where there are icons
[03:39] <chrissturm> do you see icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ ?
[03:40] <chrissturm> oh
[03:40] <IdleOne> folder exists but is emtpy
[03:40] <chrissturm> sorry, now i understand how it works, the browse dialog is only to select a directory
[03:41] <chrissturm> and it doesnt show the icon files, but you see them after clicking ok
[03:41] <IdleOne> hehe
[03:41] <IdleOne> yeah
[03:41] <chrissturm> maybe its obvious, but it confused me
[03:41] <IdleOne> wasnt obvious to me either
[03:42] <chrissturm> i think that browse window should just show all files
[03:42] <chrissturm> or have "browse for directory" in the title
[03:58] <ohad> hi, i have a thinkpad x61s - whenever i come out of hibernation mode i can hardly see the items on my monitor.  the screen's light is very weak. is there a way to fix that?
[04:08] <bjwebb> *no sound
[04:11] <mnemo> i got a sh script which at the end launches a binary which will segfault and print "core dumped".... i would like to debug this problem and file a bug report... my first problem was that I could not find this "core dump" file; where is the default location for such files?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> martalli_: /var/crash
[04:13] <bjwebb> how can i find what is wrong with my sound?
[04:13] <mnemo> gnomefreak: excellent thanks found it
[04:18] <martalli_> gnomefreak: What did I say?
[04:18] <mnemo> martalli: he meant that for me
[04:18] <martalli_> =)
[04:18] <gnomefreak> oh oops sorry didnt notice that
[04:18] <martalli_> no problem
[04:19] <martalli_> I just logged on and got a reply immediately =)
[04:19] <tingle> hi ubuntu Just Enough Operating System is optimezed for vmware but no is my question will it also be possible to install it whitout vmware just direct on my laptop? (newsmsg: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-jeos)
[04:19] <martalli_> Im hoping today's upgrades will finally fix the sound on my intel audio
[04:19] <gnomefreak> tingle: huh? most of us have it installed on our system
[04:19] <gnomefreak> martalli_: you might not see any
[04:20] <tingle> gnomefreak: do you have a link to the iso?
[04:20] <gnomefreak> if you do it will be very few
[04:20] <gnomefreak> tingle: for what version?
[04:20] <gnomefreak> tingle: all stable releases can be found at ubuntu.com
[04:20] <tingle> gnomefreak: idont mean just ubuntu but the new one thats ging to be released in oct its lighter then the original ubuntu and optimized for vmware
[04:21] <gnomefreak> tingle: i dont suggest getting gutsys ISO yet as there are issues with daily builds
[04:21] <mnemo> martalli: my snd_hda_intel based sound was also broken recently, but I was able to fix it manually by writing "sudo apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 libasound2-dev" and then rebooting
[04:21] <gnomefreak> tingle: that would be my last comment
[04:21] <gnomefreak> tingle: also upgrade is broken as well atm
[04:21] <gnomefreak> I suggest using feisty for now
[04:22] <tingle> yeah i know but i was just wondering if that ubuntu jeos also will be able to install on a desktop
[04:22] <gnomefreak> tingle: yes you can install ubuntu on most systems
[04:22] <mnemo> my ability to use compiz was also broken in latest update, due to my gfx-card was being blacklisted (it had some minor glitches) .. im using intel 965 gfx
[04:23] <gnomefreak> 965 iirc will not beable to use compiz
[04:23] <Vegar> martalli_: intel audio?
[04:23] <gnomefreak> that was one of the ones that has issues.
[04:23] <tingle> ok ty
[04:23] <gnomefreak> Vegar: 965 is video
[04:24] <mnemo> gnomefreak: yea I heard that too... but it's been working 95% for some weeks so I was a little bit disappointed to see it be disabled just because some small glitches.... (although I never use video, which ofc i a big showstopper for most people)
[04:24] <Vegar> gnomefreak: <martalli_> Im hoping today's upgrades will finally fix the sound on my intel audio
[04:24] <gnomefreak> mnemo: it wont work from this point on well as of last week
[04:25] <Vegar> martalli_: which card?
[04:25] <gnomefreak> Vegar: keep reading :) his next comment said compiz wasnt working with is bfx-card
[04:25] <gnomefreak> gfx
[04:25] <gnomefreak> Vegar: his video is i965 and it doesnt support compiz brb
[04:25] <mnemo> gnomefreak: im currently disabling the blacklist using SKIP_CHECKS=yes so im kind of fine.. but im eagerly waiting for a driver update to fix this situation..
[04:25] <Vegar> right
[04:27] <martalli_> Vegar: My audio is listed as "Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)" on my lspci output (http://pastebin.ca/708017)
[04:28] <Vegar> ah
[04:28] <Vegar> I have 82801H (ICH8 Family)
[04:28] <Vegar> is it a notebook?
[04:29] <mnemo> martalli_: can you launch "alsamixer" from a terminal?
[04:29] <martalli_> just a sec
[04:29] <Vegar> mine stopped working after I disabled wireless USB, the modem and the parallel port in the BIOS
[04:29] <martalli_> Yes
[04:29] <chrissturm> is there a way to make tracker search tomboy notes?
[04:29] <martalli_> I only get "PCM"
[04:29] <mnemo> martalli: what does it say in the top left corner of alsamixer?
[04:30] <martalli_> HDA Intel
[04:30] <martalli_> SigmaTel STAC9221 A1
[04:30] <mnemo> HDA Intel is probably the correct one, that's what I have when it works
[04:30] <mnemo> i have chipset ALC268 though but we don't have exactly same card so
[04:30] <mnemo> martalli: if you press TAB inside alsamixer, do you see more volume bars then?
[04:32] <crimsun> HDA is a specification, not a sound card
[04:32] <mnemo> yea, the card is "HDA Intel" right? at least that's what alsamixer says
[04:32] <crimsun> different codec manufacturers create hardware that conform, to varying degrees, to that specification
[04:32] <martalli_> Just pcm
[04:33] <crimsun> mnemo: no, you have a Realtek HDA codec.  Ignore the "82801H (ICH8)"
[04:33] <crimsun> the ICH8 simply refers to the chipset that houses the dsp for your audio
[04:34] <crimsun> it needs a corresponding codec - the really important part - to do anything
[04:34] <mnemo> ah ok
[04:34] <mnemo> and ALC628 is my codec?
[04:34] <mnemo> ALC268 I mean
[04:34] <crimsun> yes, Realtek ALC268.
[04:34] <mnemo> ok.. interesting
[04:37] <martalli_> Is there a way to troubleshoot this audio issue, or is it just a problem with the audio drivers so far (it is alpha software, after all)
[04:38] <mnemo> martalli: my guess is that you could fix it by some simple commands.. but im really just a linux newbie, I have no idea what to type
[04:38] <martalli_> no problem
[04:40] <crimsun> martalli_: let me read scrollback
[04:41] <crimsun> martalli_: please download and run http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh, then tell us the url that it generates
[04:45] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:46] <martalli_> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/708030
[04:47] <mnemo_> i ran the script too (even though my sound works)... http://pastebin.ca/708029 .... very nice script
[04:53] <crimsun> martalli_: support for that codec is incomplete
[04:54] <crimsun> i.e., patch_conexant.c doesn't contain the necessary pins/nids for it
[04:54] <martalli_> It was working well in feisty.  Do you think it will be OK later on?  I am certainly willing to wait until later
[04:54] <crimsun> in the meantime, you could use your usb device
[04:54] <martalli_> My usb device is just a microphone (actually, a builtin webcam to be more precise)
[04:54] <crimsun> martalli_: well, you can try alsa-driver 1.0.15rc3 and let us know if it works
[04:55] <martalli_> How do I do that?
[04:55] <crimsun> www.alsa-project.org
[04:55] <crimsun> download alsa-driver 1.0.15rc3
[04:55] <terlmann> OK guys. Can anyone point me to a software that takes data input (as in a cd or media file) , adds effects in real time (echo's , flangers , WaWas , and reverbs) and then feeds it through my speakers ?
[04:55] <terlmann> (and I do not mean xmms)
[04:56] <crimsun> extract it, then use: ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel,usbaudio --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-debug=detect && make && sudo make install
[04:56] <martalli_> They only have 1.0.15rc2...do you want me to try that one instead?
[04:57] <mnemo> im using 1.0.15rc2 and that works great for me
[04:57] <terlmann> gnomefreak : I like mine to sound ... unearthly.. makes me seem cool when I have angelic voices from afar coming through my speakers...
[04:57] <crimsun> martalli_: well, 1.0.15rc3 was only recently tagged in hg, but yes, try 1.0.15rc2 (only a bit older)
[04:57] <gnomefreak> terlmann: oh ok
[04:57] <terlmann> I'll slip in a subliminal "use linux" message one of these days :-)
[04:58] <martalli_> Hmm, I tried wget with rc2 changed to rc3....maybe the file is elsewhere
[04:59] <aguitel>  anyone have proble in laptops with Fan ?
[04:59] <mnemo> martalli: there might not be a file yet.. they only tagged in inside their source repository so far
[05:00] <martalli_> crimsun: Is there something else I need to type, or do I need to reboot, restart X or soemthign along thos lines?
[05:00] <crimsun> martalli_: it'll probably be easiest if you reboot after the `sudo make install` step completes successfully
[05:00] <gnomefreak> restart X for sound issues?
[05:01] <martalli_> crimsun: It seemed to complete successfully.
[05:01] <martalli_> Back in a bit
[05:01] <gnomefreak> ah maybe restart for it to take effect
[05:02] <Laibsch> Hi, where did gimp-svg go in gutsy?
[05:02] <Laibsch> Unavailable?
[05:02] <crimsun> the restart is solely for refreshing module dependencies
[05:04] <terlmann> no idea laibsch
[05:04] <terlmann> perhaps it has not been packaged yet'
[05:04] <crimsun> Laibsch: it's replaced by gimp.
[05:04] <crimsun> crimsun@Box.pts/2.~.[0] .% apt-cache show gimp|grep svg
[05:04] <crimsun> Replaces: gimp-data (<< 2.3.17-2), gimp-wget (<< 2.3.12-1), libgimp-perl (<= 2.0.dfsg+2.2pre1.dfsg-2), gimp-svg
[05:04] <crimsun> Conflicts: gimp-data (<< 2.3.17-2), gimp-wget (<< 2.3.12-1), libgimp-perl (<= 2.0.dfsg+2.2pre1.dfsg-2), gimp-svg
[05:04] <Laibsch> crimsun: gimp has svg built in, then?
[05:05] <Laibsch> Thanks
[05:05] <crimsun> the existing 'gimp' package in gutsy subsumes the older gimp-svg, yes, due to included svg support
[05:06] <Laibsch> OK, cool
[05:07] <Laibsch> 2nd question (if I may)
[05:08] <Laibsch> is it possible to disable the creation of those bak-files in /boot ?
[05:08] <crimsun> meaning the backups of the initramfs images?
[05:08] <Laibsch> I don't think I need them and it broke the kernel upgrade (temporarily) for me.
[05:08] <crimsun> yes, it's possible but not recommended
[05:08] <Laibsch> crimsun: yes
[05:08] <Laibsch> OK
[05:08] <aguitel>  anyone have problem in laptops with Fan ?
[05:08] <Laibsch> aguitel: like what?
[05:08] <Laibsch> My fan is fine, it does not run
[05:08] <Laibsch> at least most of the time ;-)
[05:09] <aguitel> my fan never stops
[05:09] <Laibsch> aguitel: "acpi -V"
[05:09] <Laibsch> what temperature?
[05:09] <aguitel> i am not with it now
[05:09] <Laibsch> aguitel: kind of silly to ask in IRC, then, hm?
[05:09] <aguitel> what is , "acpi -V" ?
[05:10] <Laibsch> aguitel: I think you should stay away from gutsy
[05:10] <Laibsch> stay with feisty
[05:10] <aguitel> is feisty too
[05:10] <Laibsch> aguitel: this channel is about the next release, gutsy
[05:10] <leperkhanz> Still no direct rendering!  :(
[05:10] <Laibsch> aguitel: ask in #ubuntu
[05:10] <Laibsch> aguitel: what is your native language?
[05:11] <Laibsch> there are local channels
[05:11] <Laibsch> like
[05:11] <leperkhanz> Thought wine apps aren't IMEDIATELY crashing.  They aren't really running 3d either.
[05:11] <Laibsch> !de
[05:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:11] <Laibsch> !es
[05:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:11] <Laibsch> etc.
[05:11] <aguitel> spanish but i speak english too
[05:11] <Laibsch> then either the spanish stuff above from ubotu or #ubuntu
[05:11] <Laibsch> !laptop
[05:12] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[05:12] <aguitel> ok
[05:12] <Laibsch> might want to check those links, too
[05:12] <aguitel> thanks
[05:12] <Laibsch> de nada
[05:12] <Laibsch> but I think it was ;-)
[05:12] <aguitel> jajaja
[05:13] <Laibsch> crimsun: Would you be so kind to share a link or some information how to disable the bak-stuff?
[05:15] <Laibsch> crimsun: I always have several kernels lying around.  Plus a way to boot from NFS if everything breaks.
[05:16] <Laibsch> I experience frequent crashes of aptitude/dpkg with gutsy
[05:16] <Laibsch> http://rafb.net/p/DuVqdy89.html
[05:16] <Laibsch> Anybody else see this?
[05:16] <Laibsch> the defunct dpkg process cannot even be killed with "kill -s 9 $pid"
[05:17] <Laibsch> I have to kill the aptitude parent process
[05:17] <aka_youtube> hi
[05:18] <aka_youtube> Is the "play voicemail attachment" option in evolution supposed to work yet?
[05:18] <aka_youtube> I get this error: ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/ms-gsm, rate=(int)8000, channels=(int)1, codec_data=(buffer)4001
[05:18] <crimsun> Laibsch: you'll need to edit the initramfs-tools scripts
[05:19] <Laibsch> and thus break packaging/upgrades ?
[05:19] <Laibsch> :-(
[05:19] <Laibsch> or is this in /etc ?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> break alot more than that if you dont know what you are doing in there
[05:20] <crimsun> no, it's very straightforward
[05:20] <Laibsch> who made that decision for those bak files?
[05:20] <Laibsch> I have a separate boot partition and thought that 50 MB was plenty
[05:20] <crimsun> change the appropriate parameter in /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf
[05:20] <Laibsch> Now I can barely fit two kernels in there.
[05:20] <Laibsch> crimsun: thanks.
[05:21] <Laibsch> oh, so easy if you know where to look :-)
[05:21] <crimsun>   * update-initramfs: Keep an initramfs backup while we are running. Do also
[05:21] <crimsun>     keep the booted initramfs as .bak in /boot. First helps on power cut.
[05:21] <crimsun>     Second is a good conservative approach and demanded feature.
[05:22] <crimsun> initramfs-tools (0.83) unstable; urgency=high
[05:23] <crimsun> e.g., you certainly wouldn't want your system unbootable if mkinitramfs were running and the battery died
[05:23] <TheVault> I have a quick question. What is the difference between Adobe Flash Player & Gnash Flash Player?
[05:23] <Laibsch> crimsun: I understand
[05:23] <crimsun> TheVault: the former is proprietary, closed [nonf
[05:23] <Laibsch> crimsun: But AFAIU that would only apply if you have one single kernel
[05:23] <crimsun> non-free] , and the latter is open and Free
[05:24] <crimsun> Laibsch: right, but it's still good design for the initramfs-tools scripts.
[05:24] <Laibsch> yes
[05:25] <rocky> hm... if you're on a machine with only eth0 ... should it be using NetworkManager (gnome) to manage that connection?
[05:25] <TheVault> If I was to choose gnash flash player over adobe, will my firefox crash when I go to play flash videos?
[05:25] <Laibsch> crimsun: But it is also nice it can be disabled.
[05:25] <crimsun> TheVault: it may
[05:25] <crimsun> rocky: "depends"
[05:25] <TheVault> Darn. Does anyone else get this problem when watching flash videos?
[05:25] <bjwebb> TheVault: ive had less trouble with firefox crashing tbh
[05:25] <rocky> crimsun: well, i would like it to but i can't seem to get it to work
[05:25] <crimsun> rocky: if you manage eth0 manually using interfaces(5), then network-manager will not manage that connection
[05:25] <bjwebb> TheVault: whats the problem?
[05:26] <TheVault> bjwebb: Well I don't have Ubuntu installed at the moment(only virtual using virtualbox) and everytime I play flash videos, it always crashes. This is for all versions of Ubuntu & things
[05:27] <TheVault> This even happens when I did have Ubuntu installed by Dual Boot
[05:28] <TheVault> No matter what I do, iv tried all suggestions & things and nothing works. This is somewhat one of the reasons that keeping me away from Ubuntu as my main OS. Other than that, Ubuntu RULZ
[05:28] <robtaylor> TheVault: got gnash installed?
[05:28] <bjwebb> hmmmmm
[05:29] <robtaylor> (and mozilla-plugin-gnash)
[05:29] <TheVault> robtaylor: I never heard of it until I happen to find the ubuntu homepage of tribe 5. It said you get the option of installing adobe or gnash and so, thats what I was asking earlier if it crashes firefox when you play flash related content
[05:29] <crimsun> rocky: first, have you edited /etc/network/interfaces by hand?
[05:30] <robtaylor> TheVault: i'm still using adobe, and that works fine in gutsy. Just trying out gnash now =)
[05:31] <TheVault> robtaylor: Yeah, i'll give that a whirl. I'm waiting for Gutsy to be released next month. I don't have ubuntu installed at the moment and there is no point on installing feisty when a new release is jus right around the corner
[05:31] <TheVault> robtaylor: Might as well just go with the new one and see what new features awaits :D
[05:33] <SiLOX_> Hi - Im having a problem with my IBM T60 Laptop with a Intel Graphiccard. It doesnt seem to have 3d acceleration activated... What should i do?
[05:34] <TheVault> siLOX: I have a Intel Integrated GFX card and it works fine. What chipset do you have?
[05:34] <SiLOX_> TheVault: I have a Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM
[05:35] <TheVault> SiLOX: Well I have a Intel Integrated 945GM Express Chipset which is the same as yours( I think)
[05:35] <TheVault> SiLOX: Are you able to run Beryl, Compiz or the new Compiz Fusion?
[05:36] <SiLOX_> TheVault: Yes that should be the same.. hmm, yes i can run Compiz. But I cant get 3d acceleration to run in Cedega and some games like Americas Army and other FPS games...
[05:37] <TheVault> SiLOX: Ahh ok. Well your computer might not be up for gaming. I thought my laptop was when I tried to run a few differ games and it did not work. Granted, you might have 3D, but not the kind supported by games. I hope that makes sense. I couldn't even play Counter Strike Source but yet my computer meets the requirements. Its crazy :P
[05:38] <TheVault> siLOX: Did you mess around with any settings or anything that might mess something up?
[05:38] <SiLOX_> TheVault: Yeah i know that - this is my worklaptop but I can run games like GTA Vice City etc. in Windows smoodly... :/
[05:38] <xtknight> anyone getting random segfaults and wakeups from DPMS (monitor standby) mode?  [  262.346848]  nvidia-settings[6733] : segfault at 0000000000000078 rip 000000000045e5c3 rsp 00007fff227794e0 error 4  [  304.667688]  gnome-appearanc[7002] : segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000414aef rsp 00007fffb9b88090 error 4
[05:38] <TheVault> SiLOX: Well I'm not a gaming expert on Ubuntu like I am for Windows.
[05:39] <SiLOX_> TheVault: Okay =)
[05:39] <TheVault> SiLOX: Cedega is like an emulator of some sorts right
[05:39] <TheVault> ?
[05:39] <CountX> does wireless work in gutsy now?
[05:39] <SiLOX_> TheVault: Yes, you can play Windows games like in Wine but its quite better i think..
[05:39] <nanonyme> CountX, which wireless?
[05:39] <TheVault> CountX: Yup, alot easier. What kind of card do you have?
[05:40] <CountX> nanonyme: brodcom4312
[05:40] <TheVault> SiLOX: Sorry, wish I could help further. Keep asking and maybe someone can help
[05:40] <xtknight> i just got Enemy Territory quake wars to run in linux
[05:40] <TheVault> CountX: Ahh super easy to setup
[05:40] <xtknight> (thru patched wine that is)
[05:40] <TheVault> CountX: I to have a Broadcom card
[05:40] <nanonyme> CountX, it at least detected networks and seemed to enable fine for me
[05:40] <nanonyme> i was unable to join my wpa network though
[05:40] <TheVault> CountX: What you need is Ndiswrapper
[05:41] <CountX> TheVault: i have a bunch of firmware files for it in my /lib/firmware yet all i  get is, marcel@marcel-laptop:~$ iwlist eth1 scan
[05:41] <CountX> eth1      No scan results
[05:41] <nanonyme> TheVault, naw, we're talking of the real solution that is bcm43xx ;)
[05:41] <TheVault> CountX: You need Ndiswrapper
[05:41] <CountX> TheVault: can you help me?
[05:41] <nanonyme> it almost works already
[05:41] <TheVault> nanoyme: what do you mean real solution?
[05:41] <TheVault> CountX: one moment
[05:42] <nanonyme> TheVault, the linux native driver
[05:42] <nanonyme> bcm43xx
[05:42] <TheVault> nanoyme: You mean you get bcm43xx working right outta the box?
[05:42] <uga> anybody knows what's happenning with the networking in gutsy? ifup and network service claim neither eth0,1,2,... exist. Yet dhcpclient finds networking through eth0 and shorewall works on it too
[05:42] <nanonyme> TheVault, it's getting close to that
[05:43] <TheVault> nanonoyme: Well CountX will need Ndiswrapper for time being right?
[05:43] <TheVault> Thats the only way I know how to get Broadcom to work
[05:43] <nanonyme> possibly
[05:43] <TheVault> Think you can help him then?
[05:43] <TheVault> Cause if there is a better way than Ndiswapper, then please explain :P
[05:44] <nanonyme> CountX, did you check restricted devices?
[05:44] <uga> nobody had the issue?
[05:44] <uga> /home/uga# ifup eth0
[05:44] <uga> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[05:44] <uga> yet eth0 exists and works
[05:44] <nanonyme> CountX, does it say that broadcom wireless is enabled?
[05:45] <nanonyme> CountX, do you have the firmware installed?
[05:47] <Laibsch> I have another strange thing after upgrading to gutsy: although I have a line in sources.list for "gutsy main restricted universe multiverse", aptitude tells me that there is no version of wine in the repositories.
[05:47] <Laibsch> Of course, wine is in gutsy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/otherosfs/wine
[05:47] <Laibsch> IOW, aptitude falsely claims that wine is obsolete and locally installed software.
[05:48] <Laibsch> "aptitude update" does not rectify this situation
[05:48] <Laibsch> !sound
[05:48] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:48] <CountX> nanonyme: yes
[05:48] <CountX> nanonyme: sorry i was purchasing a domain
[05:50] <nanonyme> CountX, please define answers more accurately than that. i asked quite a few things ;)
[05:51] <CountX> nanonyme: its enabled in the restricted-manager and yes it has firmware installed in /lib/firmaware
[05:52] <nanonyme> might try wifi-radar
[05:52] <nanonyme> imo it's more handy than the command line tools
[05:52] <CountX> nanonyme: ok
[05:53] <CountX> nanonyme: thanks i didnt know of a gui one
[05:53] <nanonyme> i noticed it by accident myself
[05:53] <nanonyme> it's not installed by default but it's a window manager independent tool for wifi
[05:54] <CountX> nomasteryoda: eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[05:54] <CountX> that with sudo wifi-radar
[05:54] <nanonyme> hrumph
[05:55] <nanonyme> well, you could always blacklist bcm43xx, install ndiswrapper and use the windows driver
[05:55] <CountX> yeah thats been my attitude all week
[05:55] <CountX> how?
[05:56] <nanonyme> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=462995 i think this is about it. might not be for your distro though
[06:10] <CountX> nanonyme: nothing
[06:11] <nanonyme> lsmod|grep bcm43xx
[06:11] <CountX> now its kinda worse, cause it used to be the nm-applet would recognise i had wireless, it just couldnt can, after doing that tut now it doesnt
[06:11] <CountX> nanonyme: k, that didnt return anuthing
[06:12] <nanonyme> sigh. i'm not sure how to do it. i have a powerpc processor so i can't do it with my laptop
[06:12] <CountX> nanonyme: am i doomed to always have a wireless-less laptop?
[06:13] <kevinO> hello why cant i install vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15
[06:13] <CountX> kevinO: i cant either
[06:13] <kevinO> it says "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:13] <kevinO> is only available from another source"
[06:13] <kevinO> hmm
[06:13] <CountX> kevinO: something about the kernel drivers are not up to date for the current kernel gutsy uses
[06:14] <kevinO> oh
[06:14] <kevinO> so its not ready yet
[06:14] <nanonyme> CountX, not really. bcm43xx is always a hope. it will get more stable and better. so it will likely work. just not yet
[06:14] <CountX> were at kernel 2.6.22
[06:14] <CountX> nanonyme: that kinda sucks
[06:14] <CountX> nanonyme: why dont they just include the correct firmware in gutsy?
[06:14] <kevinO> what is bcm43xx?
[06:15] <nanonyme> kevinO, driver for broadcom 43xx wifi
[06:15] <kevinO> oh
[06:15] <kevinO> has anyone has problems with sound after the kernel upgrade this morning?
[06:17] <kevinO> if I choose linux-headers-2.6.22-12-386 during grub, i have no sound on bootup
[06:18] <kevinO> I have to use generic
[06:24] <kane77> are there only alternate cd available as daily build?
[06:24] <kevinO> I wonder if I couldnt install vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 becaue its not up to date witht he current running kernel
[06:24] <rsk> kevinO: you can upgrade without re-installing
[06:26] <kevinO> rsk, I think i would be going back wouldnt I, If I wanted to match that kernel version for the vmware player kernel modules
[06:26] <Aondo> hmm old version of warsow in the multiverse, even tho the new version has been out for a long time :D
[06:26] <rsk> Aondo: make a entry in launchpad
[06:26] <rsk> and make sure it's not a duplicate first
[06:26] <rsk> ;)
[06:26] <Aondo> ye
[06:27] <kevinO> rsk, when I try to install vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15, it wont let me
[06:27] <rsk> what's the error message?
[06:27] <rsk> sounds old imo
[06:28] <kevinO> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[06:28] <rsk> it's 2.6.22ish in 7.10
[06:30] <kevinO> http://pastebin.com/d6718bb8c
[06:31] <rsk> right
[06:31] <rsk> and you are up do date?
[06:31] <rsk> let me try
[06:31] <kevinO> yeah, I have been getting updates just about every morning
[06:31] <rsk> ah same error here
[06:32] <rsk> hm maybe the package changed name
[06:32] <rsk> lemme chek
[06:32] <kevinO> thanks
[06:33] <rsk> nah
[06:34] <rsk> try apt-get install vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-23 and vmware-player
[06:34] <mauri> sometime suddenly my video became with vertical lines and I'm not able to do nothing. It happens with 7.10 but also with 7.06
[06:35] <rsk> mauri: ok when is it most likely yo happen? and what is your gpu? and what driver are you using (also output for the GPU from lspi)
[06:35] <rsk> to*
[06:35] <kevinO> rsk http://pastebin.com/m6feb07d8
[06:35] <rsk> ok
[06:35] <mauri> rsk: i dont know if it's a video adapter problem
[06:36] <rsk> kevinO: chek if it's reported in launchpad
[06:36] <rsk> mauri: could be that to, if it's overheating.
[06:37] <rsk> mauri: try to get lm_sensors installed if you are lucky the GPU has a thermometer
[06:37] <mauri> rsk: you have to help me because i'm beginner
[06:38] <mauri> rsk: video adapter is nvida geforce mx440
[06:38] <rsk> mauri: ok
[06:38] <rsk> mauri: sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[06:39] <kevinO> rsk, launchpad.net?
[06:39] <rsk> yes
[06:39] <kevinO> ok
[06:40] <mauri> rsk:  im downloading it, but just to let you know that sametime it happens also after 4 o 5 minuto fromthe pc turn on
[06:42] <mauri> rsk: installed but the utility does not appears in the kde menu
[06:44] <pucca> hi everyone...can someone tell me if gutsy gibbon beta is available for download?It was supposed to be out today, right?
[06:44] <rsk> pucca: dont think so
[06:44] <kevinO> rsk, is there a gutsy specific place to rpot bugs, or is it just in ubuntu
[06:44] <rsk> dont know i just put in ubuntu
[06:44] <kevinO> ok
[06:45] <rsk> and mention i run 7.10
[06:45] <Dr_willis> that remindes me -   i gotta look up and see if some bugs have been reported. :) i forget the site.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> rereads even
[06:45] <Dr_willis> !bugs
[06:45] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:46] <xtknight> wow my gutsy installation is *really* far along ;-)  http://xtknight.atothosting.com/images/ubiq-122pc.png
[06:47] <mauri> rsk:  are you still there
[06:47] <rsk> yep
[06:48] <mauri> rsk:  lm-sensor is inatalled ..now?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> run sensors-detect for a start. :)
[06:51] <rsk> oh yea
[06:51] <rsk> and then you need some app to show it nicely
[06:51] <rsk> Dr_willis: does conky do that?
[06:51] <mauri> Dr_willis: already done
[06:52] <Dr_willis> conky run the senseors-detect? id say no..
[06:52] <rsk> no..
[06:52] <Dr_willis> since the command tells the user what modules need to be added/loaded and so forth
[06:52] <rsk> but to display te,peratues
[06:52] <rsk> temperatues
[06:52] <rsk> afters it's configured
[06:52] <Dr_willis> conky can show tempertures and soforth
[06:52] <Dr_willis> sensors-detect is used initially to load the proper modules and configure them to get auto loaded at boot.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> after running that, then the lmsensors type programs should work.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> (if you are lucky)
[06:53] <rsk> yeah and you probably need a reboot after
[06:53] <mauri> Dr_willis: how i can start the new module in modconf
[06:53] <rsk> to load the modules
[06:53] <Dr_willis> actually senes0rs-detect should load them. No need for a reboot that time
[06:54] <rsk> k
[06:54] <mauri> Dr_willis: i dont understan
[06:54] <mauri> Dr_willis: lm-sensors does not work
[06:54] <mauri> Dr_willis:Do I reboot the system?
[06:55] <rsk> mauri: have you run sensors-detect as sudo?
[06:55] <mauri> rsk: oh yes
[06:55] <kevinO> what kernel version is gutst running right now?
[06:56] <kevinO> gutsy*
[06:56] <Dr_willis> try the 'sensors' command
[06:56] <rsk> 2.6.22
[06:56] <Dr_willis> 'does not work' means? :)
[06:56] <mauri> # Chip drivers
[06:56] <mauri> w83627hf
[06:56] <Dr_willis> lm-sensors was the old command for it it seems.
[06:57] <mauri> Dr_willis:i wrote: sudo sensors...but it says:sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[06:57] <kevinO> rsk, somehow I ended up with 2.6.22-10-386, I removed them but they are still on the grub boot menu
[06:57] <Dr_willis> you did install lm-sensors?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> after that you ran 'sudo sensors-detect' ?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> then ya can run 'sensors'
[06:58] <kevinO> and my sound doesnt work with *-386
[06:58] <mauri> Dr_willis:i yes, i've already done what you are asking for
[06:58] <Dr_willis> mauri,  i just did those 3 steps and they are working here.
[06:58] <kevinO> sorry 2.6.22-12-386
[06:58] <mauri> Dr_willis: it's seemas that the modules are not loaded
[06:59] <Dr_willis> it asked to load a lot of modules, and so forth for me. I hit 'yes' for them all.. you DID use 'sudo sensors-detect' ?
[07:00] <mauri> Dr_willis: typing sensors it says:No sensors found!
[07:00] <mauri> Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need.
[07:00] <mauri> Try sensors-detect to find out which these are.
[07:01] <darx> hello folks
[07:02] <darx> I tried installing kubuntu-destop over ubuntu and during the installation, package configuration asks me about default display manage. How can i set up gutys such that kdm start for kde and gdm for gnome?
[07:03] <rsk> darx: that's impossible
[07:04] <rsk> darx: logically
[07:04] <chemturion> Hey there, I'm running Gutsy and gnome-terminal dies when ever I try to open it, any ideas on what could be causing this?
[07:04] <rsk> you can only start one gdm/kdm
[07:04] <rsk> darx: and then you login to gnome or kde
[07:04] <rsk> darx: you cant anticipate what your are going to login to
[07:05] <mauri> Dr_willis: are you still there
[07:05] <rsk> darx: or did i not understand you..
[07:06] <Dr_willis> cooking lunch.
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I did ecactly 3 things.
[07:06] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[07:06] <Dr_willis> sudo sensors-detect
[07:06] <Dr_willis> (it asked a LOT of questions)
[07:06] <Dr_willis> then ran sensors
[07:06] <Dr_willis> i entered yes to all the q's it asked.
[07:07] <mauri> Dr_willis: i checked into /etc/modules and no new lines was addes
[07:07] <mauri> Dr_willis: so i added it manually
[07:07] <mauri> Dr_willis: now...how can i loaded the new module qithout restart the sistem
[07:08] <Dr_willis> modprobe them all i guess
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i entered 'yes' when it asked to add them to the modules . the default (enter) was no.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> it should of loaded them  when it did a sensors-detect, otherwise.. HOW could it even detect the sensors it was looking for.
[07:09] <mauri> Dr_willis: i checks, wait please
[07:09] <Dr_willis> thats how it tests for them I think. :)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> load module -> fail -> ya dont have that sensor.. ect..
[07:09] <Dr_willis> it only trys to load like 30 different modules. :)
[07:10] <mauri> Dr_willis: you was right
[07:10] <mauri> Dr_willis: now the module is added in the modconf file
[07:11] <mauri> Dr_willis: but it does not appears with lsmod
[07:13] <mauri> Dr_willis: ok now it works
[07:14] <mauri> Dr_willis: what i have to do aboput my initial question on video problems
[07:15] <Dr_willis> brb cooking.. and got a fire on the stove. :)
[07:16] <chemturion> hey there, since installing gutsy every so often my session just jams, it seems almost random. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't do anything nor does trying to switch to tty
[07:17] <chemturion> I end up just having to restart
[07:17] <Xero> chemturion, nVidia?
[07:17] <chemturion> it seemed to be worse when I had "Extra Effects" selected in appearence
[07:17] <chemturion> uhh one sec
[07:17] <chemturion> No ATI
[07:18] <Xero> Then I don't know.
[07:18] <mauri> Dr_willis: are you still there
[07:19] <Dr_willis> cooking
[07:19] <watterman> Hi, How can i set automatic num lock on at GG??
[07:19] <mauri> Dr_willis: are you coking?
[07:20] <mauri> Dr_willis: have you a dinner
[07:23] <watterman> How can i have num lock automatic allways at start ubuntu GG on??
[07:24] <chemturion> Hey there, since ive installed Gutsy my computer randomly locks up. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace dosnt do anything nor does trying to switch to tty. Also, it seemed to get worse when I had "Extra Effects" enabled in the Appearence preference pane
[07:24] <Dr_willis> how many times do i have to say i am cooking. :) .... Heh
[07:24] <Dr_willis> Sloppy Joes and Mac & cheese..
[07:25] <Dr_willis> and i set the pot holder on fire.
[07:25] <chemturion> hah
[07:26] <mauri> Dr_willis: have a nice dinner
[07:26] <Laibsch> Is 2.6.22 running stable for you?
[07:26] <watterman> yeah for me it is stable
[07:26] <Laibsch> I just upgraded to gutsy and it gave me a bunch of errors
[07:26] <Laibsch> So I went back to 2.6.20
[07:26] <thompa> im running both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions
[07:26] <watterman> Try clean install from live cd
[07:26] <weltall> does anyone have any idea why gutsy live cd power offs the screen after a bit from when the kernel is loaded (altough it completes the loading process it stays black). this happens with either tribe 5 and current live cd amd64 while the x86 one works perfectly. the video card is a 8600M GT
[07:27] <thompa> the is a problem now reading and dvd
[07:27] <Laibsch> watterman: No, I *do* use this computer ;-)
[07:27] <Laibsch> Time is limited
[07:27] <thompa> * reading dvds sorry
[07:27] <Laibsch> 2.6.20 is fine for me for now
[07:28] <thompa> im getting no device message or nothing to mount for any dvd now
[07:28] <thompa> vlc will crash, etc
[07:28] <thompa> bad timing
[07:29] <thompa> do i need to edit fstab?
[07:29] <thompa> i thought that was not necessary anymore
[07:30] <Creed> Had a quick question, if I installed the current Gutsy release, would I be able to upgrade/update to the final release when it comes out without reinstalling?
[07:30] <thompa> laptop intel duo core same problem
[07:30] <hylje> core duo
[07:30] <thompa> hylje: yes
[07:31] <watterman> Creed I thing yes
[07:31] <thompa> one is intel macbook and this is an x2 amd64 box
[07:31] <thompa> ive tried all the restricted stuff of course
[07:32] <thompa> hardware detection problem or something. i have no clue
[07:32] <Creed> watterman, fully update? With no remnants of the older version? By remnants I mean things that changed in the final version being left on my old install.
[07:32] <thompa> since latest kernel or 2 updates, not sure when they broke
[07:33] <thompa> i tried booting with the original working kernel same problem, cannot find dvds
[07:33] <thompa> maybe i should just reinstall the 64 gutsy partition
[07:34] <watterman> Creed: I thing it may be ok, but i dont know it 100%
[07:34] <Creed> Alright watterman heh, Ill just wait till the final release is out :)
[07:34] <seag33k> I just installed Gutsy on a Lenova T61 and its requesting a Partial Upgrade, but its taking an extremely long time to fetch updates, is this normal due to the testing environment?
[07:36] <thompa> seag33k: my opinion, back up first
[07:36] <kevinO> hello, for some reason I cannit use the proprietary drivers from nvidia anymore
[07:36] <kevinO> my screen is running at 640x480 right now
[07:36] <seag33k> thompa, do you mean a dist upgrade from 7.04?
[07:36] <thompa> seag33k: Im running two versions of ubuntu and lost some files somewhere
[07:36] <watterman> seag33k I had same problem and after i download and install that updates, system was ok ;-)
[07:37] <thompa> the directories are still there which is weird,
[07:37] <thompa> i think it was amarok
[07:37] <seag33k> wattrman, so just let it download?  Overall it looks very nice
[07:37] <thompa> i wonder if playing files media from another partition is safe?
[07:38] <thompa> seag33k: im going to reinstall
[07:38] <kevinO> any idea whats wrong anyone?
[07:38] <watterman> seag33k yeah, download it :)
[07:38] <thompa> get the daily build maybe
[07:38] <seag33k> ok, will do, I really do like what I see so far!
[07:38] <thompa> or one upgrade should fix it after fresh install
[07:39] <watterman> Anyone know where can I download compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported/unstable??? In synaptic isnt it...
[07:39] <thompa>  i cant notice any difference between 64 and this one, other than openoffice opened faster by like a sec.
[07:41] <thompa> something in the media configuration broke this, I cant figure it out. :-D
[07:41] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Hi all
[07:41] <watterman> hi
[07:41] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Ok, I am (not on purpose) testing this brand new feature of mounting overflow over /tmp when space is exhausted
[07:42] <Le-Chuck_IT1> now I freed space
[07:42] <Le-Chuck_IT1> should "overflow" automatically go away?
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_IT1> if so, I am experiencing a bug
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_IT1> if not, how should a desktop user interact with it?
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_IT1> rebooting?
[07:43] <thompa> that sounds bad lol, i think thats where i lost my data
[07:43] <Dr_willis> overflow is just a directory?
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_IT1> is a tmpfs
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_IT1> mounted over /tmp
[07:44] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I know that was done in order to allow login when disk space is exhausted
[07:44] <tretle> is grub on the swap partition or the ubuntu one?
[07:45] <Le-Chuck_IT1> grub??
[07:45] <Le-Chuck_IT1> what has grub to do with that?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> grub is NOT on a swap partition. :)
[07:45] <tretle> thank you
[07:45] <thompa> its the other one
[07:45] <thompa> !grub
[07:45] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:45] <thompa> cool that works
[07:45] <Dr_willis> its normally on the MBR of the first hd. and data files wheever /boot is at
[07:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> damn, with all names around there
[07:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> are we sure that OVERFLOW is a good name?
[07:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> try to google for "overflow /tmp" :)
[07:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> you'll find only security reports
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Im still trying to troubleshoot my samba/gutsy issues..
[07:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:46] <tretle> what does ext mean?
[07:47] <tretle> mount-text3/dev/hda2/mnt/root
[07:47] <thompa> ive lost ability to read any dvd since last two updates ago i think on both 64 and 386
[07:47] <tretle> I cant see where they cgot ext3 from
[07:47] <hydrogen> its the filesystem
[07:47] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok found it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootLoginWithFullFilesystem
[07:47] <thompa> so im going to test with fresh install latest.
[07:47] <tretle> i need dev/sda2
[07:47] <hydrogen> its usually unnecessary to put that in
[07:47] <winbond> how can i resize the isons by the clock?
[07:47] <winbond> icons
[07:48] <thompa> winbond: increase panel size
[07:48] <Dr_willis> tretle,  i think ya need to read some basic mounting docs. :) -t FILESYSTEMTYPE
[07:48] <Dr_willis> ext2/3 is normally the default and can be auto detected - the -t in that example was proberly not needed
[07:48] <thompa> winbond: i just increase panel width in properties
[07:49] <tretle> i just wanna fix grub but its being a pain
[07:49] <tretle> for instance
[07:49] <winbond> thompa, i want to make the icons smaller, but i dont want a larger panel
[07:51] <kevinO> why do the restricted drivers from nvidia not work anymore?
[07:51] <thompa> winbond: on firefox icon go to properties
[07:52] <Dr_willis> kevinO,  theya re working for me. well as of last night they were. :)
[07:52] <kevinO> after I rebooted today, ubuntu booted into safe graphics mode
[07:53] <kevinO> I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and got my resolution back to normal, but when I try to enable the restricted drivers again and reboot I get the same problem
[07:53] <winbond> thompa, firefox?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> kevinO,  check the xorg.conf see what driver its using.  does 'startx' give any specific error messages.. ect.. at this time - its possible its a kernel/nvidia driver issue/bug.
[07:54] <CountX> can anyone go to www.blackholeproject.com?
[07:54] <thompa> winbond: there are three panle icons on left are you talking of which ones?
[07:54] <winbond> kevinO, enable the restricted, then reconfigure the xserver
[07:54] <CountX> i think its messed up
[07:54] <winbond> thompa, by the clock
[07:55] <thompa> anyway the of my gutsy systems lost dvd support after last couple updates. am i the only one?
[07:55] <thompa> *three
[07:55] <thompa> blank dvds open though
[07:58] <tretle> going to reboot and see if grub is fixed
[07:58] <tretle> whish me luck
[07:59] <tretle> cyaz
[08:09] <kevinO> hey guys i tried to enable the restricted driver, and them reconfigure xserver-xorg and it didnt work, I rebooted back into graphics safe mode where it asks me to choose another driver, it autoselects vesa, driver, when I log back into my desktop and check the restricted drivers , the nvidia driver is disabled again
[08:09] <kevinO> I have also tried to selsect the nv driver and get the same results
[08:11] <kevinO> would this have anything to do with my problem? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/2.6.22.4-12.3
[08:12] <stefg> kevinO: no, this is unrelated. What does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
[08:13] <kevinO> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7300 GT]  (rev a1)
[08:14] <stefg> usually a supported card... no big deal. i guess only the restricted-modules lag behind a bit, so simply wait
[08:15] <CountX> can anyone access blackholeproject.com i just registerd it with GoDaddy and i cant get to it
[08:17] <Dr_willis> just registed in as how long ago?
[08:20] <DanaG> hmm, the bug about snd-hda-intel and lack of capture on STAC9250 seems to have disappeared.
[08:20] <DanaG> At least, I can't find it on Launchpad with search.
[08:21] <DanaG> No results for search          STAC9250
[08:22] <hydrogen> what does BROKEN(isntalled) mean in adept-updater?
[08:23] <DanaG> Odd, the bug is there, but not searchable: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix] 
[08:24] <DanaG> Won't fix for Feisty, but for Gutsy it may be different.
[08:24] <DanaG> I just compiled and installed alsa-hg, with no change.
[08:24] <mnemo> i'm having this problem with the mouse in all versions of linux... i have posted a bug on launchpad about this (bug 144277: "mouse sucks in linux") ....  if you read my description of the problem; is this anything you have experienced as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/144277
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144277 in ubuntu "mouse sucks in linux" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144277
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144277 in ubuntu "mouse sucks in linux" [Undecided,New] 
[08:28] <IntuitiveNipple> mnemo: Can't reproduce that here; what video & mouse are you using?
[08:29] <hydrogen> heh
[08:29] <hydrogen> the restart required dialog is funny
[08:29] <hydrogen> In order to complete the installation a restart is required"
[08:29] <hydrogen> "Yes" "No"
[08:29] <hydrogen> what do you think I'm going to pick!
[08:30] <stefg> mnemo: ati card and desktop effects enabled ?
[08:30] <hydrogen> no, of course it isn't required!
[08:30] <tretle> could someone help me out with the grub boot list
[08:30] <stefg> !grub
[08:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:30] <tretle> in the partition manager i can spot out my vista partition
[08:30] <tretle> but its down under dev/sda1
[08:30] <tretle> and its the same drive as ubuntu
[08:31] <tretle> in the boot list ubuntu is down as hda0/1 or something like that
[08:31] <xtknight> theCore, ok what problems are you having?
[08:31] <stefg> tretle: you shouldn't run gutsy....
[08:31] <xtknight> what's shown on -F1 ?
[08:31] <theCore> xtknight: a corrupted display
[08:32] <xtknight> theCore, what video driver do you use?
[08:32] <theCore> the non-free nvidia
[08:32] <xtknight> ah so do i
[08:32] <tretle> stefg u shouldnt post useless statements... its a waste of energy on your part
[08:32] <xtknight> i'm using the fresh one off nvidia.com thouhg
[08:32] <xtknight> theCore, a really recent video adapter or an older one?
[08:33] <xtknight> my geforce 7800gt is fine
[08:33] <theCore> xtknight: I don't think the video driver for X I am using really matter
[08:33] <DanaG> argh, what happened to the old way of subpixel hinting?
[08:33] <theCore> xtknight: the problem surely is in the frame buffer driver
[08:33] <mnemo> IntuitiveNipple: im using a "Mobile Intel(R) 965 Express Chipset Family: GMA X3100" card and a wired USB microsoft intellisense explorer 3.0 mouse
[08:33] <xtknight> theCore,  well, when you switch out of X mode that driver has to clear the buffer.  maybe it's not doing that properly?  why dont you test if it's fine with nv or vesa to make sure?
[08:33] <mnemo> IntuitiveNipple: i have seen this issue on countless machines though
[08:33] <theCore> xtknight: I got GeForce6 6600
[08:34] <Xero> !lilo
[08:34] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[08:34] <DanaG> I severely dislike the new subpixel-hinting patches.
[08:34] <mnemo> stefg: i can repro the mouse bug with no desktop effects
[08:34] <xtknight> theCore,  i have had problems switching between consoles on non-free ATI drivers (freezes though)
[08:35] <mnemo> stefg and IntuitiveNipple: i think one needs to have both a windows machine and a linux machine side by side to really understand the latency difference properly...
[08:36] <xtknight> i have no idea what bug 144277 is talking about?
[08:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144277 in ubuntu "mouse sucks in linux" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144277
[08:36] <theCore> xtknight: that reason why I think the problem is in the frame buffer driver, I don't see kernel message when booting (I don't use "quiet splash" in boot options)
[08:36] <DanaG> fbcon isn't being loaded, perhaps.
[08:37] <theCore> "mouse sucks in linux", wow, that's pretty bold
[08:37] <stefg> mnemo: but as long as this isn't reproducible on a wide range of system this si one of the trash/rant bugreports which will get ignored. I do dual boot, and i have  used several mice over the years, and never encountered that. Ot might be a thing of default settings for mouse acceleration.
[08:37] <DanaG> Hmm, it seems only synaptics has that issue for me.
[08:37] <DanaG> I can reproduce with touchpad, but not with external mouse.
[08:37] <xtknight> my mouse seems to be spot-on
[08:37] <mnemo> stefg: i wish i could explain it so that people understand... but it's very hard to measure or record such a thing
[08:38] <xtknight> mnemo, you wouldn't happen to be using compiz would you?
[08:38] <stefg> mnemo: try a different mouse, tweak the settings....
[08:38] <xtknight> ive had some various lag issues with compiz.  just small lags here and there
[08:38] <mnemo> xtknight: sometimes but the problem repros without compiz too
[08:38] <mnemo> stefg: how can I tweak mouse settings?
[08:39] <mnemo> xtknight: i think it's a matter or "how you click"... I can get my mouse to be spot on as well... so I think it's that linux users learn to click/drag in a certain way...
[08:39] <theCore> xtknight: ok, I going to try out the nv driver, just to be sure
[08:39] <DanaG> Try swiping the cursor across the desktop and clicking at some spot while doing it.
[08:39] <mnemo> i bet if you had a pro-fps-gamer use the mouse very fast in linux he could complain about the mouse being slow etc..
[08:40] <xtknight> mnemo, i have comprehensibly tested my current mouse here and i haven't found a problem  ( i think i'm a person to notice very small things also )  very likely it's isolated to your H/W  (i played quake3 in clans also ;) )
[08:40] <mnemo> yes, do that danaG tells you.. that works too, that's actually a very good way to repro this bug
[08:40] <xtknight> im using evdev, though
[08:40] <mnemo> xtknight: i have seen this bug on many many machines actually, even though I never wrote down the specs of them all to find a common factor
[08:40] <mnemo> xtknight: what's "evdev" ??
[08:41] <xtknight> mnemo,  a different mouse driver than default
[08:41] <IntuitiveNipple> DanaG: That's how I tried to reproduce it, but there's a physical limitation that makes that subjective not deterministic since for the test to be valid the button must be down before movement begins
[08:41] <xtknight> i think it's for logitech mice or for extra buttons and stuff.
[08:42] <mnemo> DanaG: are you able to reproduce this problem?
[08:42] <xtknight> mnemo, it could be related to theme engines also.  i have found sigificant lags and CPU usage depending on which theme i use with various movement operations or button clicking.  i dont know if this has any relevancy.  i can tell you i dont have a mouse-down latency on this machine and config
[08:42] <DanaG> another odd thing: if I don't use evdev, my scroll-up button on my mouse also sends another button.
[08:43] <DanaG> aack, I hate the new font rendering!  I want the old way back!
[08:43] <stefg> mnemo: i agree that the same mouse feels different in windows and linux (no wonder) , but actually i'd say it feels more natural in Linuxen .... a question of habbits
[08:43] <DanaG> I'm willing to compile packages myself, but which are the responsible ones?
[08:43] <xtknight> DanaG, libxft and something else, i believe
[08:44] <xtknight> maybe just libxft will do it
[08:44] <sacater> upgrading today i didnt update anything on libpam
[08:44] <xtknight> mnemo, are you talking about a signifcant mouse lag, like 200 ms, or something like 40 ms (like 3 pixels) that you really, really have to pay attention to?
[08:44] <sacater> how do i restart later
[08:45] <mnemo> xtknight: im talking about like 200 pixels or more when I drag fast
[08:45] <xtknight> mnemo, oh, definitely no problem there
[08:45] <xtknight> i mean, here
[08:45] <mnemo> like *waaay* off on my hw at least
[08:45] <xtknight> mnemo, what about your video driver?
[08:45] <hydrogen> hmm
[08:45] <xtknight> are you using accelerated 2d drivers?
[08:45] <hydrogen> I'm not having any luck compiling a custom kernel module
[08:45] <theCore> xtknight: I found the problem
[08:45] <xtknight> theCore, oh yeah?
[08:45] <hydrogen> I've tried symlinking usr/src/linux to current kernel soruces
[08:45] <hydrogen> current kernel headers*
[08:46] <mnemo> xtknight: im not sure about the dev status of my 2d driver
[08:46] <happytiger> My ipw3905 netcard stopped working after dist-upgrade it seems no ipw3945 for the 2.6.22-12-386 kernel???
[08:46] <hydrogen> and the module builds, but modprobe tells me it's not the same version
[08:46] <xtknight> mnemo, glxinfo  do you have direct rendering?
[08:46] <DanaG> Ouch, the new font rendering hurts.
[08:46] <theCore> xtknight: there seems to bug in the driver with "vga=791"
[08:46] <stefg> hydrogen: what module?
[08:46] <xtknight> theCore, odd.  is that the default?
[08:46] <theCore> xtknight: no
[08:46] <mnemo> xtknight: "glxinfo | grep direct" says I do at least
[08:46] <hydrogen> vbox stefg
[08:47] <xtknight> mnemo, ok.  well if not i would have suggested installing faster video drivers.  but it seems you're fine on that aspect.  what mouse device do you have?
[08:47] <hydrogen> I think I found the answer though
[08:47] <xtknight> also i haven't touched my default mouse speed settings
[08:47] <DanaG> Does anyone have the old packages somewhere?
[08:47] <theCore> xtknight: I added it to my menu.lst to raise the console's resolution to 1024x764
[08:47] <mnemo> xtknight: im using this mouse --> http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx?pid=087
[08:47] <hydrogen> yea, got it
[08:48] <stefg> hydrogen: don't know about vbox, but on a development version there might be delay between the build of the running kernel and the headers.... gutsy is alpha, everything is in flux
[08:48] <xtknight> mnemo, at really high mouse speed (2000dpi laser mouse) under a virtual machine, it still seems spot on for me.
[08:48] <hydrogen> stefg: no, it was because ubuntu decided that the best thing to do was install the -generic and the regular linux headers but the -386 image
[08:48] <mnemo> xtknight: actually, I just came up with a good experiment... im gonna try swapping my usb mice between the windows and linux machines
[08:49] <xtknight> mnemo, eh?
[08:49] <mnemo> that way I can test with a wired lochitech usb mouse too
[08:49] <xtknight> mnemo, you were using different mice originally?
[08:49] <xtknight> ahh
[08:49] <xtknight> well try evdev with your logitech usb mouse.
[08:49] <xtknight> or maybe itll work with microsoft too.
[08:49] <mnemo> xtknight: will do
[08:49] <xtknight> i dont remember issues with the default driver either.  and my VM is using a defualt driver, under my current evdev for the host
[08:51] <mnemo> it happens with my logitech usb mouse too
[08:51] <mnemo> gonna try installing evdev now
[08:52] <mnemo> xtknight: is "xserver-xorg-input-evdev" the right package?
[08:53] <xtknight> mnemo, i think
[08:53] <xtknight> mnemo, but u have to use xorg.conf
[08:53] <xtknight> setup driver evdev and stuff.  i'll show you mine via pastebin
[08:53] <hydrogen> ah
[08:53] <hydrogen> things become clearer!
[08:53] <mnemo> xtknight: ah ok
[08:54] <Xero> Can anyone give me a link to a cheap bluetooth reciever? I'm gonna use my Wiimote on this computer.
[08:54] <mnemo> hmm actually it said I already have evdev installed
[08:54] <xtknight> get your usb mouse's name first, this has to be exact.  type cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[08:54] <theCore> xtknight: thanks for your help
[08:54] <xtknight> theCore, no problem
[08:54] <xtknight> mnemo,  itll be like this N: Name="Logitech USB Gaming Mouse"
[08:55] <DanaG> aah: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=554407&page=2&highlight=font
[08:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for evdev, you can use Name "Logitech *"
[08:55] <DanaG> and it'll grab anything that matches.
[08:55] <xtknight> oh neat
[08:55] <xtknight> what about just *?
[08:55] <xtknight> lol
[08:55] <mnemo> i got like 11 mouses in there
[08:55] <xtknight> i imagine evdev works for practically every mouse?
[08:56] <xtknight> mnemo, ok here's my xorg section.  http://rafb.net/p/1PzzDU53.html
[08:56] <mnemo> but one of them is called "Logitech N48"
[08:56] <xtknight> mnemo,  and just as an aside i'd suggest toggling VSync (before i forget to tell you).  but try that later
[08:57] <mnemo> xtknight: so i put this stuff inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf  then?
[08:58] <xtknight> mnemo, in place of your original mouse
[08:58] <xtknight> i would only have one mouse in there at a time also
[08:58] <Laibsch> Anybody have an idea why I get these strange characters when in the console (non-X): http://oz.leggewie.org/IMGP2026.JPG
[08:58] <xtknight> mnemo,  replace the identifier with the one your xorg.conf uses, and also change the name to the actual name of your mouse
[08:58] <xtknight> i'll brb
[08:58] <DanaG> I have touchpad also, set as CorePointer.
[08:59] <Laibsch> I should add that I don't have any *-desktop package installed, but installing it did not make the effect go away.
[08:59] <Laibsch> This started happening after I upgraded to gutsy today.
[09:00] <mnemo> xtknight: i got a input device in xorg.conf which is called "configured mouse" ... i'll just comment out that one and paste in your one (with changed device name ofc)
[09:00] <mnemo> xtknight: do I need to restart x.org then or?
[09:05] <nickrud> Laibsch: odd, my upgrade got me decent chars there for the first time in ubuntu
[09:06] <theCore> xtknight: ah, there was already a bug about it: bug #129910
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[09:09] <mnemo> rebooting
[09:09] <theCore> does anyone else see burred icons in Gnome's menus?
[09:09] <theCore> (on gutsy of course)
[09:09] <Xero> blurred?
[09:10] <xtknight> back
[09:10] <DanaG> Okay, evdev doesn't like being given free reign of all devices.
[09:10] <xtknight> mnemo, so what's the status so far?
[09:10] <DanaG> It gets confused by the power button.
[09:10] <mnemo> still rebooting linux machine
[09:11] <DanaG> You should use Option "bustype" "0003" to restrict it to USB devices only.
[09:11] <IntuitiveNipple> theCore: There's a bug about that, it's to do with the correct resolution icons not being ready yet, I seem to recall
[09:11] <DanaG> Then you can remove the Name and let it take over everything USB.
[09:12] <theCore> IntuitiveNipple: do you know its bug #?
[09:12] <mnemo_> xtknight: this is my new settings (which I have rebooted with now) --> http://rafb.net/p/G0b4H867.html
[09:13] <mnemo> lol
[09:13] <mnemo> hey xtknight... that fixed it
[09:13] <mnemo> actually
[09:13] <mnemo> now it's just like in windows
[09:13] <mnemo> thanks man
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> theCore: There's a few not triaged yet; My knowledge comes from discussions of ubuntu-devs. search in launchpad for "fuzzy" :)
[09:13] <mnemo> great work
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> So the mouse no longer sucks?
[09:13] <mnemo> nah its great
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Best post the solution to the bug report
[09:14] <mnemo> IntuitiveNipple: I will...
[09:14] <IntuitiveNipple> An maybe rephrase the title so someone else with the same problem can recognise it :
[09:14] <IntuitiveNipple> :p
[09:14] <mnemo> IntuitiveNipple... hehe yeah good point
[09:14] <DanaG> That would be a good default: evdev for all USB devices.
[09:15] <xtknight> mnemo, ahh
[09:15] <xtknight> mnemo, evdev fixed it?
[09:15] <mnemo> yup it did
[09:15] <xtknight> heh cool.
[09:15] <xtknight> you can check out some tool for logitech that can adjust DPI also
[09:15] <DanaG> all it needs is this: Identifier, Driver, Option "SendCoreEVents", "bustype".
[09:15] <mnemo> xtknight: really... thanks man... this improves my experience with linux a boat load
[09:15] <xtknight> mnemo, no problem
[09:15] <xtknight> mnemo, maybe it's still a "bug"?
[09:15] <xtknight> with the default mouse driver
[09:16] <xtknight> or maybe the default one simply can't exploit the logitech's capabilities
[09:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, it should remain as a valid bug since there is an effect, andit can be cured
[09:16] <Laibsch> Who among you has /var on a separate partition?
[09:16] <xtknight> tell you what, file a bug and ill reply to it i guess
[09:16] <mnemo> xtknight: yea I definately think it's a bug in ubuntu bad default value... i mean, think about the many many people who will just accept the bad mouse and not file a bug
[09:16] <xtknight> seeing if i can reproduce w/ normal mouse driver
[09:16] <DanaG> I had /var separate for a while.
[09:16] <DanaG> You need /var/run and /var/lock on the root, I believe.
[09:16] <DanaG> I had to init 1, then unmount /var, then mkdir.
[09:16] <Laibsch> DanaG: That was my question.
[09:17] <Laibsch> I have set it up as such
[09:17] <DanaG> http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/UbuntuVarRun
[09:17] <Laibsch> But I think var not being separable is a bug
[09:17] <Laibsch> I think I needed also a second entry
[09:17] <theCore> Xero: check out by yourself, http://peadrop.com/files/blurred-icons.png
[09:18] <Laibsch> And with the upgrad to gutsy, I will need a third one for udev
[09:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Here's one I replied to bug #141229
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141229 in ubuntu "Blurry Synaptic and Software Sources icons" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141229
[09:18] <mnemo> danag: do you mind posting an optimal xorg.conf entry for me? you're saying I can remove the zaxismapping stuff and add bustype something?
[09:18] <xtknight> i dont know, my settings are the ones i found for a G5 logitech
[09:18] <xtknight> i had to use /dev/input/mice for Device, or else it wouldn't work
[09:18] <DanaG> I'll post my entry here, with linebreaks denoted by |.
[09:19] <xtknight> plus i have some problems with evdev occasionally (may not detect my mouse), but that's all the more reason to be proactive and get them fixed
[09:19] <mnemo> xtknight: when I change stuff in xorg, do I really have to reboot the whole machine or can I have it re-read the conf file??
[09:19] <xtknight> mnemo, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:19] <xtknight> instead of reboot
[09:19] <mnemo> xtknight: kk thx
[09:19] <xtknight> itll restart your desktop only
[09:19] <arooni_> hey folks
[09:19] <IntuitiveNipple> or just Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[09:19] <xtknight> arooni_, hey ;P
[09:19] <arooni_> anyone know how to hook up a bluetooth headset
[09:19] <xtknight> everything working right?
[09:19] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: A2DP ?
[09:20] <DanaG> Section "InputDevice"    |	Identifier	"evdev mouse"    |	Driver		"evdev"    | 	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true" # either this, or CorePointer   |      Option		"bustype"	"0003"    |	Option		"Resolution"	"400"  |  EndSection
[09:20] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, i dont think it supports that;; its just for phone calls / skype
[09:20] <mnemo> DanaG: thx
[09:20] <xtknight> Identifier has to be what you have at the top of xorg though
[09:20] <xtknight> like mouse, or Mouse0
[09:20] <mnemo> yea ok
[09:20] <DanaG> I have it set to 400, because 800 seems too fast sometimes.  I don't even know if it does anything.
[09:20] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: In the bluetooth properties enable the Audio service, and then pair the headset
[09:20] <DanaG> bustype makes it grab USB only.  PS/2 is 0011.
[09:21] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, ok i enabled audio service; where do i pair the headset
[09:22] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: Put the headset into discover mode, and browse devices
[09:22] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, where do i browse devices from
[09:22] <IntuitiveNipple> If you've got auto-connect enabled it should do it without browsing
[09:22] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: From the bluetooth notification icon
[09:23] <chemturion> hey there, I just upgraded to gutsy, and I noticed some applications and preferences panels wouldnt launch, So I ran them from terminal and got some error message regarding cairo, heres an example http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38387/
[09:23] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, preferences:  authorization requests:  auto authorize incoming requests; hardware database: select class of device automatically
[09:23] <arooni_> both are enabled
[09:23] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: When the headset is in discovery mode you should get a notify asking about pairing
[09:24] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, my headset is in paring mode; but i dont see any notification
[09:24] <Laibsch> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/139230
[09:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139230 in upstart "/var is mounted late during the init sequence" [Undecided,New] 
[09:24] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: you could do an "hcitool scan" to ensure the headset is being seen
[09:24] <Laibsch> DanaG: Already reported.  I will comment and post your URL there.
[09:24] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, Device is not avaialble; No such device
[09:25] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_:  Sounds as if your bluetooth isn't set up fully
[09:25] <cavediver> Hi !
[09:25] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, what should i do to fix
[09:26] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: I have no idea what the problem is; you'll have to investigate and read docs etc
[09:26] <cavediver> Just upgraded my laptop to gutsy. All well except no decorator in compiz. Anyone had that problem ?
[09:26] <chemturion> hey there, I just upgraded to gutsy, and I noticed some applications and preferences panels wouldnt launch, So I ran them from terminal and got some error message regarding cairo, here's an example http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38387/ Any help would be awesome!
[09:27] <IntuitiveNipple> chemturion: Bug #129816
[09:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129816 in pycairo "Instable applications that using cairo" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129816
[09:27] <chemturion> IntutitveNipple:awesome thanks
[09:36] <arooni_> accorindg to: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_(Gutsy_Gibbon)_Tribe_5_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Bluetooth ... i need to do: su; # echo enable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
[09:36] <arooni_> but when i try su
[09:36] <arooni_> i get authentication failure
[09:36] <arooni_> and i'm entering the right password
[09:37] <wdh> arooni_, ubuntu doesnt have a rootaccount by default.. try 'sudo' instead of 'su'
[09:37] <IntuitiveNipple> use sudo sh -c "echo enable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth"
[09:37] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, damn that worked
[09:38] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, if i want to make a command out of that: enablebt
[09:38] <arooni_> where would i put the script?  and do i need to put the path to bash on the top line?
[09:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I suspect you might only need to edit options in /etc/default/bluetooth
[09:40] <arooni_> IntuitiveNipple, what should i put there?
[09:41] <Logi> does anyone know whether gutsy will install gcj or proper java?
[09:41] <IntuitiveNipple> You'll need to determine what boot-time issue prevents the bluetooth stack from starting, and based on that, apply an appropriate fix. It's a case of reading the docs.
[09:42] <hydrogen> looks like its "start bluetooth on boot"
[09:42] <hydrogen> the first option in the file
[09:43] <Karark> anyone else not able to 'switch user'?
[09:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: It has both; you can install gcj, Sun java 1.4, 1.5, or 1.6 I seem to recall
[09:43] <Karark> my PC becomes unresponsive when i try to do so
[09:43] <arooni_> hydrogen, so i set:  BLUETOOTH_ENABLED=1 ... to just commented out?  (caompatibility noteif this variable is not found bluetooth will start"
[09:44] <hydrogen> no
[09:44] <hydrogen> it appears its set to start
[09:44] <IntuitiveNipple> hydrogen: BT should start on boot by default, if the hardware is up... but in arooni_'s case, the hardware isn't up
[09:44] <hydrogen> ah
[09:44] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: No, it's fine as it is (by default it starts, that setting also starts it, but changing it to =0 would disable it
[09:45] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: Best thing is to follow the logic path in /etc/init.d/bluetooth and see what is done by the bluetooth service
[09:46] <arooni_> ok
[09:46] <arooni_> but now that i have blueetoh enabled
[09:46] <IntuitiveNipple> arooni_: Also, before doing that, confirm the bluetooth service has started :)
[09:46] <arooni_> i cant use it with skype
[09:46] <arooni_> i mean i select BT headset for sound in/out/ringing
[09:46] <arooni_> but no dice
[09:46] <IntuitiveNipple> I seem to recall you have to start skype with a command-line option that tells it to use the Bluetooth audio device
[09:46] <Karark> also, what happened to the command line on TTY1-6?  i just have a black screen there
[09:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Karark: try this - in Gnome, Alt+F2 "sudo modprobe vga16fb"
[09:48] <Karark> what is this supposed to do?
[09:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Karark: load the vga framebuffer. I am debugging issues with graphics modes causing lost VTs, and in many cases that helps.
[09:51] <IntuitiveNipple> You might also need to do "sudo modprobe fbcon" after
[09:51] <Karark> ok
[09:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I added fbcon to the initrd on one PC to solve it
[09:51] <IntuitiveNipple> the kernel has vgacon and vesafb built-in, but there seen to be problems
[09:51] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: (sorry, I disappeared for a moment) you don't know which java is installed by default?
[09:52] <Karark> IntuitiveNipple, that worked after the second command, thanks
[09:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: I suspect gcj but looking at my system it isn't installed, but sun-java-6 (my preferred choice) is
[09:52] <Karark> is there anything i need to do so this stays after a reboot?
[09:52] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: over in ##java we spend rather a lot of time helping people on debian and ubuntu switch the default gcj over to sun's implementation
[09:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Karark: It is likely you only need to do the fbcon step
[09:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: You mean "sudo update-alternatives java" ? :)
[09:53] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: after apt-get installing and after explaining to them that gcj really isn't equivalent
[09:53] <IntuitiveNipple> hehehe
[09:54] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: it gets a bit tedious
[09:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not had any issues; Eclipse Europa on 64-bit has been fine
[09:54] <Karark> so has anyone had issues switching users?
[09:54] <Logi> anyway, I was just wondering if the defaults were about to change with gutsy. I guess I'll know for sure soon enough :)
[09:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I use Eclipse for my linux kernel hacking, it performs really well
[09:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: I've just installed Gutsy on a notebook, let me see what was done
[09:55] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: yes, but I seem to remember rather a lot of effort going into making eclipse run on gcj
[09:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: I can imagine so; I've never tried.
[09:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: I can't seen any 'default' for Java, as in, there doesn't appear to be a meta-package with a depends on either, there's just java-common and then the distinct JVMs
[10:00] <Laibsch> Is there some kind of tag or something to label bugs that one experienced with upgrading to gutsy?
[10:01] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: there is java2-runtime I see
[10:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Laibsch: you could start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[10:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: I don't see that
[10:03] <Pici> Laibsch: I usually put [gutsy]  in the title
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: ahh, now I do
[10:03] <Laibsch> IntuitiveNipple: No tag on that page
[10:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Laibsch: I don't know that the page is up-to-date, but Google is your friend :)
[10:04] <whitt> hello, i recently upgraded to gutsy, and i'm trying to get rid of Trevino's compiz packages, because of course it doesn't work since the upgrade, I've removed the repo, and purged the files, but i'm still getting an error
[10:04] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I have it on my feisty setup. That may have changed then.
[10:05] <rohan> i just checked that with the latest live cd, my screen resolution is NOT correctly detected anymore - 1280x800 on intel gma 950. is this bug already known and filed anywhere
[10:05] <rohan> ?
[10:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: Strange; java2-runtime shows up from dpkg-query -l but not in Synaptics
[10:06] <rohan> all the previous gutsy live cd's used to work perfectly with the resolution part
[10:06] <whitt> it says: Type mismatch: Expected list, got string
[10:06] <IntuitiveNipple> rohan: Check in launchpad bugs
[10:07] <rohan> IntuitiveNipple: yes, that's what I'm doing atm
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> good :)
[10:07] <rohan> what package are such bugs filed against ?
[10:07] <rohan> because once i edit the file manually, it works
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> I think it's pick-n-mix... a general search will usually turn something up - I often simply sort all bugs by latest, for finding problems with recent daily CD builds
[10:08] <Logi> IntuitiveNipple: sun-java[56] -* is in multiverse in feisty, so they won't get installed unless the user has enabled that
[10:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I can see sun-java's, but no "java2-runtime" is listed by Synaptic
[10:09] <Logi> I'm on kubuntu, so I haven't used synaptic. Does it show meta packages at all?
[10:09] <mnemo> sry for the off-topic but --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
[10:10] <Logi> according to packages.ubuntu.com sun java is still in multiverse in gutsy. I suppose that concludes my research :)
[10:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Logi: Just noticed, Gutsy only has Sun java5 and java6 (no 1.4)
[10:10] <Logi> ok... I won't miss it particularly
[10:10] <_emet_> is awn in gutsy universe ?
[10:10] <Logi> although, there are occasional badly written swing apps that don't like java 5+
[10:11] <dcordes> could somebody do me a favour and check if "Package xlibs-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:11] <dcordes> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:11] <dcordes> is only available from another source
[10:11] <dcordes> oops sorry
[10:11] <dcordes> installs or not?
[10:12] <jander99> is hwdb.ubuntu.com or hardware collection in general broken?
[10:14] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes: Isn't it libx11-dev you want?
[10:16] <c01100011> any workaround to broken ekiga (undefined symbol: _ZN11PSaf") in gutsy ?
[10:17] <DanaG> odd, still no working capture for stac9250 with alsa-hg.
[10:18] <DanaG> arecord -fcd
[10:18] <DanaG> Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[10:18] <DanaG> RIFF$WAVEfmt &#x10;&#x1;&#x2;D&#x10;&#x2;&#x4;&#x10;data
[10:18] <DanaG> Odd, pidgin turned those into html entities.
[10:18] <DanaG> anyway, it stalls after the last question-mark thingy.
[10:20] <dcordes> IntuitiveNipple: I'm trying to compile wine. Winehq wiki says xlibs-dev
[10:20] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes I have the Gutsy wine 64-bit installed from the repo's - can't you get those?
[10:21] <dcordes> IntuitiveNipple: I need a patch in order to try the quake wars demo :=
[10:21] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes: Okay... is it not in the latest package then?
[10:22] <IntuitiveNipple> but the answer to your question is, I seen to recall from doing that myself, to install libx-dev (and a few others)
[10:22] <dcordes> the patch was for 0.9.44 and the current version is 0.9.45 so I also thought so and tried it but that did not work
[10:22] <dcordes> IntuitiveNipple: could you just try installing it right now so I can figure if something is broken on my system?
[10:22] <IntuitiveNipple> install libx-dev ?
[10:23] <dcordes>  IntuitiveNipple no xlibs-dev
[10:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy doesn't have it; it's an old lib
[10:25] <holzmodem> hi, after last update of the ati driver, the system turn the wrong display (vga port without connected monitor) on, the internal display (LVDS) stay black. So i have to connect the external monitor to get X, and than can i switch back!... what is wrong?!?
[10:25] <jander99> is hwdb.ubuntu.com or hardware collection in general broken?
[10:26] <dcordes> IntuitiveNipple: yes apt-get says it is either obsolete or something else. Do you know how to find out which package replaced it?
[10:26] <IntuitiveNipple> jander99: It's working fine here
[10:26] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/oldlibs/xlibs-dev
[10:27] <dcordes> ah great thanks
[10:27] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes: "This transitional package is only depended upon by packages that haven't yet corrected their dependencies to reflect the new library arrangement."
[10:27] <c01100011> any fix for ekiga lookup error problem ?
[10:28] <dcordes> IntuitiveNipple: looks like I want xorg-dev, right? (If you want to install X development libraries for some purpose other than maintaining Debian/Ubuntu packages, then you may find the xorg-dev package more useful than this one.)
[10:29] <IntuitiveNipple> dcordes: Yes... http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/xorg-dev
[10:31] <c01100011> any harm in downgrading libopal to 2.2.8-0 from fiesty ?
[10:35] <DanaG> argh, it still seems like the font rendering is a bit odd.
[10:37] <tretle> could someone help me with adding vista to the menu.lst in grub
[10:37] <tretle> in partition manager it says vista is on /dev/sda1
[10:37] <sniperjam> a little help please, after installing the latest gutsy updates, none of my neetwork interefaces are configured, or so says network admin
[10:38] <sniperjam> whoa nevermind it's working
[10:40] <tretle> !grub
[10:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:42] <tretle> title  Microsoft Windows XP Home #An entry for a Windows installation
[10:42] <tretle> #If you're reading this guide, you probably want this
[10:42] <tretle> root   (hd0,0)
[10:42] <tretle> makeactive
[10:42] <tretle> chainloader +1
[10:43] <tretle> what do I do to that to make it work
[10:43] <tretle> iv tried changing root  (hd0,0) to root  (sd1,0)
[10:45] <DanaG> it's hd, but the partition numbers may be different.
[10:45] <DanaG> Note that Grub starts at 0, while the kernel starts at 1.
[10:46] <tretle> ubuntu is on sda2
[10:46] <tretle> hd0, 0 = sda2 ?
[10:46] <c01100011> ekiga closes seconds after opening, error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev. Workaround ?
[10:47] <c01100011> if i have something else using ekigas port #, the error message comes up forcing the application to stay alive
[10:54] <Asad2005> I am having a problem with VGA driver, I run NVIDIA installer and restart GDM but when i restart PC it goes back to the fail safe newly added X configuration utility ? Is there a way to disable this utility
[11:06] <c01100011> can someone explain how a .debdiff works to me ?
[11:09] <heppe> hey, i have installed support for 2 languges but Xchat does only spell check for one of them
[11:10] <heppe> how can i get it to spell check both like it used to do in feisty?
[11:12] <Richie> Hello
[11:12] <Richie> urgent help please
[11:12] <Richie> ubuntu has just updated the nvidia drivers
[11:13] <Richie> and now i cant boot into linux anymore
[11:13] <Richie> only the recovery
[11:13] <Richie> any ideas on how to fix?
[11:15] <minimec> richie: looks like your xorg.conf has a problem. check the log in /var/log
[11:16] <Richie> no errors
[11:19] <minimec> Richie: strange...
[11:19] <ReL1K> anyone here using a t61 with intel video card?
[11:19] <Richie> im removing the nvidia drivers
[11:19] <Richie> then il try boot uiin
[11:25] <Richie> whats the command to reconfigure xorg again?
[11:25] <minimec> Richie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg... ?
[11:25] <Richie> thank you
[11:26] <Richie> wait no
[11:26] <Richie> that didnt work
[11:26] <minimec> Richie: I am looking for the package...
[11:27] <minimec> Richie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:27] <Richie> xserver-xorg
[11:27] <Richie> yes
[11:27] <Richie> thank you ^^
[11:28] <Richie> shutdown -r now
[11:28] <Richie> woops
[11:28] <Richie> wrong keyboard
[11:30] <Richie> humm..still hasnt fixed it
[11:30] <minimec> Richie: What exactly happens when you boot?
[11:31] <Richie> nvidia logo pops up..screen goes black...get the circle cursor with rotating thing in middle...but then the login screen doesn't appear
[11:31] <Richie> it just hangs there
[11:32] <minimec> Richie: Are you using the restricted driver?
[11:32] <Richie> yes
[11:33] <minimec> is there a console configuration tool for the driver?
[11:33] <Richie> not that i know of
[11:34] <Richie> nvidia-glx-new are the drivers
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Richie: what card?
[11:35] <heppe> Richie, what card do you have?
[11:35] <heppe> :/
[11:35] <Richie> Nvidia 7900 GS GO
[11:35] <gnomefreak> go cards are nvidia-glx arnt they?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> !hardware
[11:35] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[11:36] <heppe> i have a Nvidia 7600 Go working gine with the new driver (nvidia-glx-new)
[11:36] <Richie> it worked with the new before
[11:36] <heppe> fine*
[11:36] <Richie> it just tried to update it though
[11:36] <Richie> and when it did
[11:36] <Richie> this happened
[11:36] <xl1> kubuntu live cd install 7.10 from Sept 21 crashes on install. log says something about package list. Is that a know issue? (DVD is not corrupted)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> its not updated for gutsy or feisty for that matter
[11:36] <holzmodem> hi, after last update of the ati driver, the system turn the wrong display (vga port without connected monitor) on, the internal display (LVDS) stay black. So i have to connect the external monitor, and than can i switch back to lvds!... what is wrong?!?
[11:36] <heppe> Richie, try to do a upgrade
[11:36] <heppe> Richie, maybe you didnt get the kernel or something
[11:37] <Richie> well i was in kernel 11 because 12 had broke the whole thing anyway
[11:37] <Richie> but now this driver update has buggered up 11 and 10
[11:37] <heppe> Richie,  does the failesafe come up?
[11:37] <Richie> no
[11:38] <Richie> just hangs at a black screen with the cursor there
[11:38] <Richie> the res is at 1900 x 1200
[11:38] <Richie> so i cant think its failing at all
[11:38] <heppe> Richie, then do a boot in recovery, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:38] <Richie> already done that
[11:38] <heppe> and choose nv or vesa
[11:38] <Richie> tried nv
[11:38] <Richie> never tried vesa
[11:39] <Vegar> Richie: how did you update it?
[11:39] <Richie> dist-upgrade
[11:40] <heppe> Richie, use vesa and do another upgrade
[11:40] <Richie> kk
[11:40] <heppe> Richie, then it should work
[11:41] <Richie> wont boot using vesa either
[11:41] <Vegar> what happens?
[11:41] <heppe> Richie, is it online?
[11:42] <Richie> Just black screen with the mouse cursor
[11:42] <Richie> yes, it is online
[11:42] <heppe> Richie, recovery mode, apt-get upgrade
[11:42] <heppe> a update first is also good
[11:43] <Richie> you mean dist-upgrade?
[11:43] <minimec> Richie: And if this was a gdm problem and not an x problem? What about sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm?
[11:43] <heppe> Richie, it does not matter
[11:43] <Richie> il try this upgrade..then try gdm reconfigure
[11:43] <heppe> Richie, dist-upgrade does a upgrade and checks for a new distro release
[11:43] <Richie> ah right
[11:43] <Richie> kk
[11:43] <heppe> Richie, there is no distro release so a upgrade is fine
[11:43] <jsomers> is it possible compiz is enabled but not working?
[11:44] <heppe> jsomers, intel ?
[11:44] <jsomers> some time ago the ubuntu forum hold a lot of info about black screens
[11:44] <jsomers> and iirc it had something to do with compiz
[11:44] <jsomers> it's not me heppe, I'm referring to Richie's problem
[11:45] <Richie> oh
[11:45] <Richie> lol
[11:45] <jsomers> if he has a mouse cursos I believe X is working
[11:45] <Richie> there are no upgrades
[11:46] <minimec> jsomers: I also think so... That's why it could be an gdm problem.
[11:46] <Richie> just reconfigured gdm
[11:46] <Richie> if this doesnt work, i'l try changing to kdm
[11:46] <Richie> already got kde installed
[11:47] <jsomers> Richie: try removing everything from compiz
[11:47] <Richie> how?
[11:47] <jsomers> apt-get remove compiz
[11:47] <Richie> oh that
[11:47] <Richie> that simple
[11:47] <Richie> lol
[11:48] <Richie> urgh...disk check
[11:48] <Richie> i hate that
[11:48] <jsomers> there are probably also other compiz related packages
[11:48] <jsomers> compiz-core compiz-dev
[11:48] <jsomers> compiz-gnome
[11:49] <jsomers> I don't now exactly how many of those compiz related packages are installed by default
[11:49] <Richie> kk
[11:49] <jsomers> you can do an apt-get search compiz to get a list of all the packages related to compix
[11:49] <Richie> my apt-get doesnt have search
[11:49] <Richie> which sounds stupid i know
[11:50] <minimec> Richie: apt-cache search
[11:50] <jsomers> note: it will most likely also try to remove ubuntu-desktop, but that's ok
[11:50] <jsomers> ah, yes, my bad
[11:50] <Richie> ohhhh..
[11:51] <jsomers> it could be this is just a compiz problem, so if you remove it you are sure it GDM won't load anything at startup
[11:51] <Richie> kk
[11:51] <Karark|away> anyone have an idea why my PC locks up when trying to switch users?
[11:51] <jsomers> I don't have any other ideas at the moment
[11:51] <minimec> jsomers: Compiz only loads when you start the gnome session
[11:52] <Richie> so its not compiz?
[11:52] <minimec> Richie: No it's not compiz.
[11:52] <Richie> oh fudge
[11:52] <Vegar> dpkg -l |grep compiz to list all installed packages with compiz in their names
[11:52] <Richie> il try changing to kde
[11:52] <Richie> see what that does
[11:53] <jsomers> ah, so you don't even get the GDM login window?
[11:53] <Richie> no
[11:54] <jsomers> I thought you were getting problems past the GDM login window, my bad
[11:54] <Richie> right
[11:54] <Richie> changed it to kdm
[11:54] <Richie> and its booted
[11:54] <Richie> so any ideas how to get gdm working again?
[11:54] <Richie> wait
[11:54] <Richie> now
[11:54] <gnomefreak> make sure its installed properly
[11:55] <Richie> no*
[11:55] <Richie> i typed my username and password in..hit enter...screen flashes black and goes back to login
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Richie: thats the wonderful world of broken X
[11:55] <Richie> why do i get the feeling its not so wonderful :P
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Richie: lol its not
[11:56] <Richie> so....
[11:56] <Richie> how do i fix it?
[11:56] <Richie> lol
[11:56] <minimec> Richie: Do <control><alt>F1 then login on the console, sudo killall kdm or gdm ... then type startx
[11:56] <ReL1K> anyone having issues still with compiz and intel graphics cards?
[11:56] <ReL1K> it still blacklisted?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Richie: there are tons of bugs been reported since we updated to 703 that we never should have upgraded to
[11:56] <gnomefreak> and we didnt expect to either
[11:57] <Richie> umm
[11:57] <Richie> i dont that startx command
[11:58] <gnomefreak> Richie: 7.3 was going to be in heron not gutsy but people kept complaining and wanting so devels tried to please users
[11:58] <Richie> said refcount is 2, sould be 1, fixing
[11:58] <gnomefreak> since we had bulletproof X and all otehr things in 7.2 :(
[11:58] <DanaG> Odd, gnome-power-manager thinks my computer failed to suspend, even though it worked just fine.
[11:58] <minimec> startx starts you default graphical envirement
[11:58] <gnomefreak> DanaG: after the last 3 releases suspend not working why is it odd now?
[11:59] <Richie> well it returns me back to the console
[11:59] <DanaG> I mean, suspend IS working.  Gnome-power-manager thinks it is not.
[11:59] <DanaG> It shows me the link to the hal quirks site.
[11:59] <Richie> it does say Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found
[11:59] <DanaG> I had to edit /etc/default/acpi-support to get suspend working, though.
[12:00] <DanaG> save video pci state: true.  vbe post: false
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Richie: i still think the GO cards are nvidia-glx not nvidia-glx-new
[12:00] <minimec> Richie: So you have a X problem ;)
[12:00] <Richie> so try removing new and installing glx?
[12:00] <Olliander> Hi guys.
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Richie: what is it gonna hurt?
[12:01] <Olliander> I've a problem with my notebook, it's a Toshiba Satellite Pro A100-834. tosh-utils and fnfxd don't run, because there's a problem with the toshiba_acpi-module, it puts a 'No such device'... I'm running Gutsy, under Feisty it ran... What could that be?
[12:01] <atlfalcons866> when will gusty gibbon be released
[12:01] <Richie> gnome: what do you mean?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> atlfalcons866: mid oct
[12:01] <Richie> or was that a rhetorical question?
[12:01] <Richie> as in do it?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Richie: you dont have X now if you install the -glx drivers and you still dont have X what did you lose?
[12:01] <atlfalcons866> will i be able to upgrade from fiesty drake?
[12:01] <atlfalcons866> fiesty fawn i mean
[12:02] <gnomefreak> allbert: from feisty yes from dapper drake no
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Richie: wait
[12:02] <Richie> waiting...
[12:02] <gnomefreak> what version of nvidsia-glx-new do you have?
[12:02] <tretle> could someone help me find out the names of all the drives and partitions
[12:02] <gnomefreak> 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-12.3?????
[12:03] <Xero> atlfalcons866, I'm sorry, but it's gutsy, not gusty. I'm just getting so tired of people misspelling it
[12:03] <Richie> yes gnome
[12:03] <tretle> partition manager is showing me sda1, 2, 3 etc
[12:03] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Richie: what does uname -a say
[12:03] <gnomefreak> the kernel version
[12:03] <tretle> while grub seems to think sda2 is (hd0,0)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> tretle: correct
[12:03] <Xero> Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Sep 22 18:14:28 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:03] <Richie> 2.6.22.10-generic
[12:03] <Richie> but i choose to boot into that one
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Richie: thats why
[12:03] <tretle> so im told it names the partitions differently
[12:03] <atlfalcons866> im using gustys kernel right now
[12:03] <atlfalcons866> i mean gutsy
[12:03] <Olliander> Noone else with this prob?
[12:04] <Olliander> Some kind of annoying. ^^
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Richie: your nvidia-glx-new is for newest kernel not the one your on
[12:04] <tretle> and to add a boot option for another os i need to find what grub recognises it as
[12:04] <Richie> gnome: how do i get older nvidia drivers?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Richie: i think they are gone from cache
[12:04] <tretle> so can anyone help?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Richie: your using a feisty kernel
[12:04] <tretle> would be much apreciated
[12:05] <windio00> my xserver crashed . . . is there a way to get it automatically configured again?
[12:05] <Richie> right..i'l boot into 12 kernel
[12:05] <windio00> login screen is ok once i log in it is all screwed up
[12:05] <gnomefreak> windio00: best bet atm file a bug
[12:06] <gnomefreak> windio00: X is having issues and will be working on it this coming week for beta release last i heard
[12:06] <minimec> windio00: you get the login screen?
[12:06] <windio00> gnomefreak:  i was trying to do duel screen with a laptop and everything got screwed up
[12:06] <windio00> minimec: yep
[12:07] <windio00> i log in and the resolution or card is screwed up
[12:07] <minimec> windio00: so your xserver is ok.
[12:07] <tretle> gnomefreak - know what i should do?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> minimec: you might want to retrrack that :)
[12:07] <minimec> windio00: and you tried a dual setup with or without xinerama?
[12:07] <Xaxorlr> I'm installing gutsy from the alternate CD, it's at the software installation phase and it's been stuck at 90% for an hour.
[12:08] <gnomefreak> tretle: you have to boot other os and find out than i cant just guesss at what other os and where it is on what hd
[12:08] <minimec> gnomefreak: Well the Richie question is done I guess ;)
[12:08] <Richie> no
[12:08] <tretle> its sda1
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Xaxorlr: its known tuesdays ISO should be good to go
[12:08] <Richie> its not
[12:08] <windio00> minimec:  my laptop has a monitor vga output . .  . i plugged it in and . . . everything crashed
[12:08] <tretle> cant boot into the other os
[12:08] <tretle> its windows
[12:08] <windio00> minimec:  it is a thinkpad t40
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Richie: errors?
[12:09] <Richie> gnome: still get the same problem in 12 kernel
[12:09] <minimec> windio00: How did you configure the dual screen setup?
[12:09] <windio00> minimec:  i was usuing the panel screens and resolutions
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Richie: something not right. try changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use vesa and restart X
[12:09] <tretle> sda2 - (hd0,0)
[12:09] <windio00> in admin
[12:09] <Xaxorlr> Ok, this sucks.
[12:09] <tretle> sda1 - ?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Richie: if you can boot to it we might beable to fix it
[12:09] <Richie> gnome: it is using vesa
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Richie: than try changing it to nv or nvidia
[12:10] <Richie> had the same problems when using both of them aswell
[12:10] <Richie> il change to nvidia again see what happens
[12:10] <gnomefreak> tretle: hd0,0 hd0,1 first one would be mbr second one would be first hd first partition
[12:11] <tretle> thx
[12:11] <tretle> ill give it a try
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Richie: try install xserver-xorg-video-all
[12:11] <tretle> hopefully it works
[12:11] <tretle> im running outta ideas
[12:11] <minimec> windio00: the login screen comes on your laptop and the other one staus black?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> tretle: grub always uses that type of naming
[12:12] <gnomefreak> tretle: hd1,0 is second hd first partiton
[12:12] <tretle> cool
[12:12] <Richie> gnomefreak: says i have the newst version
[12:12] <tretle> thx
[12:12] <DanaG> odd: gdm doesn't change its colors to match the theme.
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Richie: also try xserver-xorg-input-all
[12:12] <Karark|away> anyone have an idea why i am not able to switch users?  i just get a black screen
[12:12] <DanaG> i.e. if I have an orange GDM theme, I don't get an orange background after I log in.
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Richie: if both are installed file a bug against xserver
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Richie: there might even be 10 for your same issue
[12:13] <Richie> ok, will have to file bug
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Richie: its been screwed up for over a week
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Richie: im almost willing to bet if you disable failsafeX it will work
[12:14] <Richie> well im willing to try anything
[12:14] <Richie> how do i do that?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Richie: not sure other than for gdm its most likely in /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Richie: ive been trying to not disable it but i bet it fixes my issue as well
[12:14] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:15] <soothsayer> Is there a way to get a minimal install that I can bootstrap from?
[12:15] <soothsayer> (As small a functional base install as possible)
[12:15] <windio00> minimec:  im trying ther dpkg reconfigure for xserver
[12:16] <minimec> windio00: ok.
[12:16] <windio00> minimec:  no the other one is all weird
[12:16] <minimec> windio00: maybe it's a resolution thing.
[12:17] <windio00> minimec:  ok now its nike 640x480
[12:17] <Richie> urgh, im just gonna have to file a bug
[12:17] <Richie> thats for ya help
[12:17] <Richie> cya
[12:18] <DanaG> gdmsetup also needs a bigger preview.
[12:18] <DanaG> Such as xnest.
[12:19] <windio00> minimec:  ok its back :D
[12:20] <windio00> minimec: was with the screens and resolution thing
[12:20] <minimec> windio00: I am working with a dual screen layout with enlightenment e17. It great ;)
[12:20] <minimec> windio00: So you got one screen only again?
[12:21] <windio00> minimec:  i dont know if im doing it right
[12:21] <windio00> minimec: there is vga out on my laptop
[12:21] <windio00> minimec:  and i was trying to configure it as screen 2
[12:21] <minimec> windio00: I always configure that manually in the xorg.conf file.
[12:23] <windio00> minimec:  well it is a vga signal that goes to a video comverter that goes to a tv
[12:23] <windio00> ill try it again and see if it crashes
[12:23] <windio00> can you have one screen at one resolution and second screen at another?
[12:23] <minimec> windio00: Yes this is possible.
[12:24] <windio00> ok i dont 640 x 480 was setup up by dfault so i just added it to xorg
[12:30] <level1> hi guys, gutsy, like fiesty before it, won't start X on my laptop even in safe graphics mode.  In fiesty I could fix it by installing fglrx from the internet, but I can't get online from the command line at my dorm
[12:30] <level1> edgy didn't seem to have this issue, but it had some other similar problems
[12:34] <minimec> level1: You could try to configure your xserver with vesa 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[12:34] <level1> minimec: it won't boot with vesa
[12:34] <minimec> level1: and with ati?
[12:35] <level1> minimec: but I know vesa, in principle, works, becaues I'm using it right now in debian lenny
[12:35] <level1> minimec: I've never gotten ati to "accept" that card
[12:35] <level1> it seems to decide its not the card for it or something, lol
[12:35] <minimec> :)
[12:36] <level1> minimec: anyway, it seems that in the xorg logs, that it runs through all the possible display resolutions, decides it can't do any of them, and dies
[12:37] <level1> minimec: is there a way to tell xorg "use the resolution and attempt to start, even if it will fail"?
[12:37] <minimec> level1: what resolutions are configured in /etc/xorg.conf?
[12:37] <level1> I mean, my laptop monitor goes all the way up to 1920x1200
[12:38] <level1> minimec: I'd have to reboot into the livecd to see, but probably all the standard resolutions and all the standard refresh rates
[12:39] <minimec> level1: probably ...
[12:39] <minimec> I can't help you, sorry.
[12:39] <osito> the bulletproof X somehow "downgraded" my video to 800*600
[12:39] <level1> 	ModeLine     "1920x1200@75" 246.6 1920 2064 2272 2624 1200 1201 1204 1253 -hsync +vsync
[12:39] <level1> osito: I believe thats sorta kinda the point
[12:40] <level1> 		Modes		"1920x1200@75" "1680x1050@75" "1600x1200@75" "1400x1050@75" "1280x1024@75" "1200x800@75" "1024x768@75" "800x600@75" "640x480@75"
[12:40] <osito> what I mean is that before that reboot, my image was clearer and just great
[12:41] <level1> osito: what did you change?
[12:41] <osito> and now the optimal combination is not even available in the GUI
[12:41] <level1> osito: as I understand it, bulletproof X is just to let you fix the underlying problem... once you fix it, you restart X and your good to go
[12:42] <osito> nothing, just installed the last updates and reboot, then the "Screen and graphics preferences" window showed at boot time
[12:42] <level1> minimec: what if I copied the exacty Xorg.conf from my debian system (which works) to the livecd ram disk... could I do that?
[12:42] <mweichert> I just upgraded, and now cannot ping hosts in my network by fqdn
[12:42] <mweichert> any ideas?
[12:43] <minimec> level1: Well ... That should work. I never tried that...
[12:43] <mweichert> I can ping 'host' but not 'host.mydomain.local'
[12:43] <osito> it was rather unreadable by the way and then throw me back to a 800*600 gdm and gnome
[12:44] <tarheelcoxn> anybody have a radeon 7500? help me take a look at bug 141609?
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[12:48] <osito> anyone can help me figure out bug 92088 and also re-enable the network manager?
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[12:56] <DanaG> Argh, my screen has gone back to randomly blinking.
[01:06] <rathel> lol http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38403/ How do I fix that, or is it a gutsy problem?
[01:10] <DanaG> Ugh, I don't like the new brown icons in the Tangerine theme.  They clash with the nice orange.
[01:11] <DanaG> I mean, look at the places bar.
[01:11] <DanaG> Orange, orange, orange, orange, wtfBROWN!
[01:15] <DanaG> Oh, and whenever I go to shut down, I get a reboot instead.