| asac | Luke: no i have to look at all that is NetworkManager related | 12:38 |
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| Luke | i really think it's a Purdue problem not NM but we need an expert to help us fix the prblem | 12:39 |
| asac | Luke: Usually its good to start with the line where network manager starts when providing a syslog | 12:40 |
| Luke | kk | 12:40 |
| Luke | you mean /var/log/syslog right? | 12:40 |
| asac | yes | 12:40 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 12:53 |
| Creteil | I'm currently running testing (gutsy) and playing with suspend (ram & disk) & resume ... | 12:53 |
| Creteil | I hava acheived to suspend to ram properly, and also resuming from this step ... | 12:54 |
| Creteil | This only thing blocking when the laptop resumed is the sound can't be used under gnome since the loopback interface was not up after resume. | 12:55 |
| pkern | Hm. cryptopts=source=/dev/sda5 fixed the initramfs part, but I get another (useless) prompt later before fsck/ | 12:55 |
| Creteil | so, a simple sudo /etc/init.d/loopback stop & /etc/init.d/loopback start fix the problem | 12:56 |
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| Creteil | I just want to know if you know where i can put theses commands at resume step ? | 12:56 |
| lamont | dear archive gods. please accept linux-source-2.6.22 for hppa. thanks muchly | 01:01 |
| jdong | Creteil: /etc/acpi/resume.d should be executed on resume... | 01:02 |
| Creteil | jdong : thanks, I'm gonna check that now ... | 01:03 |
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| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks (for pushing wine). | 02:53 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | ScottK: Thanks for getting it working nicely on 64-bit :) | 03:02 |
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| ScottK | IntuitiveNipple: I just uploaded it. Scott Ritchie and \sh did the work. | 03:35 |
| IntuitiveNipple | ahhh... ok, well share the karma around :) | 03:36 |
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| slangasek | cjwatson: the effect of bug #122281 isn't clear to me; it's true that eject-udeb still isn't in the initrd, but CD ejection seems to trigger just fine at the end of the install for me so I guess it gets pulled in post-initrd? | 08:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122281 in debian-installer "eject not available in the initrd" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122281 | 08:43 |
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| Chris40 | i am sorry i am posting here the msg , i tryed #ubuntu nobody answer there , : how can i Adding a startup script to be run at bootup ? (this is the command line i use in the terminal to load the script "nohup ./new_sockets.pl &") ? | 11:24 |
| mpt | Chris40, if nobody in #ubuntu can help you might try asking at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu | 11:25 |
| Kmos | Chris40: use the gnome sessions | 11:25 |
| Kmos | Chris40: menu System -> Preferences -> Sessions | 11:25 |
| Kmos | Chris40: next time try mpt suggestion | 11:25 |
| Chris40 | does gnome sessions load the script in sudo access ? | 11:26 |
| Lutin | no | 11:26 |
| Chris40 | so how can i load the script in sudo access on the startup (booting) ? | 11:26 |
| Lutin | put it in /etc/rc.local | 11:27 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | hi | 11:32 |
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| cjwatson | slangasek: right, it should be | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I've unmilestoned that bug, I'm not sure how it ended up milestoned | 11:38 |
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| cjwatson | I think it's just if you need to eject early on | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | oh, might be different for netboot | 11:39 |
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| Mirv | Theora has beta1 release, if someone is interested. Performance has improved quite a lot, among else. Testable in debian unstable. | 01:26 |
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| stgraber | pitti: Hi, I've got a fix for the ekiga crash we currently have (when trying to make a call or receiving one), it's more or less rebuilding both libopal and ekiga (just a small patch on ekiga's configure to build against the new libpt we have). Don't know if you want that in before beta. | 02:03 |
| pitti | stgraber: please get it both uploaded (with proper strict build-depends), I'll have a look | 02:03 |
| pitti | stgraber: thanks for fixing it! | 02:03 |
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| stgraber | pitti: any core dev I can ping today (both opal and ekiga are main) or shall I wait tomorrow when everyone is back to work ? | 02:16 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | !packaging guide | 02:35 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 02:35 |
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| pochu | stgraber: there are some community core-devs, so you may be lucky and find one who is around and willing to sponsor you | 02:45 |
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| stgraber | LaserJock: feel like checking my debdiffs+upload ? | 02:45 |
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| pkern | ogra: ping | 03:17 |
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| MacSlow | if anybody wants to get the "genie"-effect back for the minimize-animation of compiz' animation-plugin, apply http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/03_minimize_vacuum.patch to the source-package of compiz-fusion-plugins-main | 03:49 |
| ion_ | ...or just edit your personal compiz settings. ;-) | 03:50 |
| MacSlow | ion_, no that does not work | 03:50 |
| MacSlow | ion_, only with this patch one is able to change the minimize-animation to "Vacuum", which is the genie-effect actually | 03:51 |
| ion_ | Ok | 03:51 |
| MacSlow | I really don't know why the compiz folks didn't leave it in | 03:52 |
| MacSlow | it does not have to be the default and sw-patents... I have to look up that term in a dictionary :) | 03:53 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: that patch appears to make it the default, because the default is expressed as a number and you added it before Zoom, the previous default ... | 03:55 |
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| cjwatson | if the preferences are numeric, doesn't that mean that new items should always be added at the end? | 03:55 |
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| lambda | hi | 03:57 |
| lambda | I am packaging a php/mysql server application | 03:57 |
| MacSlow | cjwatson, no the order seems to be important... for some reason the animation-types of this compiz-fusion want to be ordered in alphabetical order | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | ugh | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | it should store defaults and such as strings then :) | 03:58 |
| lambda | I put the sources there http://213.251.181.65//topic | 03:58 |
| MacSlow | cjwatson, well yes... my patch makes vacuum/genie for the minimize animation the default... just a convenience for myself, since it's probably not going to be added to ubuntu or even move upstream | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | cjwatson: What would be the most sensible way of handling a situation where we want to build binary packages targetted at multiverse from a source that's in main? | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | (I fully expect the answer to be "don't") | 03:59 |
| cjwatson | mjg59: that is indeed the answer - it's technically possible in our archive (unlike in Debian) but disallowed by policy | 04:01 |
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| mjg59 | cjwatson: ffmpeg has various bits of functionality that would be helpful, but would need to be targetted at multiverse (and require additional build-depends, also not in main) | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | I guess the obvious answer is a separate multiverse source package? | 04:03 |
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| cjwatson | mjg59: yeah | 04:16 |
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| ion_ | Hi BenC | 05:13 |
| ion_ | benc: Did you notice my message from yesterday? | 05:13 |
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| BenC | ion_: no | 05:13 |
| ion_ | benc: In the newest l-r-m package, nvidia_supported still doesnt contain my fix, and a line has been added to it that makes it output incorrect lines. | 05:14 |
| ion_ | benc: http://heh.fi/tmp/nvidia_supported should work. | 05:14 |
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| BenC | ion_: ok, thanks | 05:16 |
| BenC | ion_: fix uploaded | 05:19 |
| ion_ | Thanks | 05:19 |
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| ion_ | Now apt-mark-sync contains ams-run: ams-run aptitude install foobar is equivalent to aptitude install foobar && apt-mark-sync aptitude all, ams-run debfoster is equivalent to debfoster && apt-mark-sync debfoster all etc. | 05:56 |
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| lamont | BenC: did you happen to drop the gcc-3.4 build-dep and usage in debian/rules, or should I chase your lrm upload? | 06:12 |
| BenC | lamont: doh, I forgot, sorry | 06:12 |
| BenC | yeah, follow up on that I guess | 06:12 |
| lamont | BenC: OK | 06:13 |
| ion_ | benc: Is there a VCS branch for l-r-m yet? | 06:13 |
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| ion_ | A public one, that is. :-) | 06:14 |
| BenC | ion_: we had one, and removed it because it was too much of a pain | 06:15 |
| ion_ | Oh. :-( | 06:15 |
| lamont | ion_: the VCS for lrm is located at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 :-) | 06:21 |
| lamont | BenC: uploaded | 06:23 |
| BenC | lamont: thanks | 06:23 |
| ion_ | lamont: I cant have my own branch at archive.ubuntu.com. :-P | 06:24 |
| lamont | thank you - I was stalling on uploading last night, thinking about beta freeze.. | 06:24 |
| lamont | ion_: ppa, dude. | 06:24 |
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| lamont | ion_: 99% of the uploads are just abi bumps. -> pain | 06:27 |
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| Lamego | hello | 06:36 |
| lamont | hello | 06:36 |
| Lamego | is anyone familiar with apt dynamic mirrors selection (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DynamicMirrorDecisions ) ? | 06:36 |
| Lamego | :( | 06:38 |
| ion_ | Whats so sad about dynamic mirrors selection? | 06:38 |
| Lamego | it is sad that I am unable to get proper information about it :P | 06:39 |
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| xtknight | this is a new bug, right? or is this somehow by design that i'm missing.. this is a daily cd from a couple days ago, i dont see anything on launchpad about it http://xtknight.atothosting.com/images/ubiq-122pc.png | 06:48 |
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| mlankhorst | hmm.. it's really a bad idea to enable Xgl with fglrx, the xgl server dies about once every 5 minutes here, plus all the slowing down things + redraw bugs if compiz isn't used :-/ | 07:28 |
| jdong | fglrx+xgl works fine here, but I havea pretty modern r500. | 07:29 |
| mlankhorst | as do I.. | 07:29 |
| mlankhorst | it's really a better idea to delay it slightly and hope ati will release 8.42 soon | 07:31 |
| jdong | I disagree | 07:31 |
| Amaranth | arg | 07:31 |
| Amaranth | i wish mvo was around | 07:31 |
| jdong | we can worry about 8.42 when it comes out | 07:32 |
| jdong | for all we know it could be equally unstable | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | We don't enable Xgl automatically when you install fglrx | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | Xgl is in universe and must be installed manually | 07:32 |
| mlankhorst | it does in gutsy | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | No, you installed it | 07:32 |
| jdong | no, you must install xserver-xgl | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | If you install it it will start automatically | 07:32 |
| jdong | if you just install fgrlx, Xgl does not activate | 07:32 |
| mlankhorst | ah ok, must be from my previous attempt at xgl, then | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | Right, Xgl has been modified in gutsy to make itself start automatically in gutsy | 07:33 |
| Martinp23 | Is there something strange going on with the hppa buildds? I see packages there waiting for >18hrs... :S | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | So you just install and go | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | Martinp23: is openoffice.org trying to build? :) | 07:33 |
| jdong | lol | 07:33 |
| Martinp23 | lol - there doesn't seem to be anything currently building | 07:34 |
| Martinp23 | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/hppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building | 07:34 |
| Amaranth | Martinp23: that says gobby started a minute ago | 07:34 |
| geser | Martinp23: hppa started building packages some days/weeks ago | 07:35 |
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| geser | again | 07:35 |
| Martinp23 | aha I see | 07:35 |
| geser | so no need to worry about hppa builds at the moment | 07:35 |
| Martinp23 | thanks for the explanation :) | 07:36 |
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| Le-Chuck_IT1 | Hi there, somebody knows what packages are implementing the specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootLoginWithFullFilesystem | 07:52 |
| Le-Chuck_IT1 | it happened and I need to debug it a little | 07:53 |
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| mlankhorst | hm, another crash, seems xgl doesn' t like konversation :-/ | 07:56 |
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| cjwatson | xtknight: please file that one as a bug | 08:07 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: when you get a sec, could you cast your eye over https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/143958/comments/5 | 08:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 143958 in debian-installer "Gutsy Alternate fails: cannot detect and mount CD-ROM" [Undecided,New] | 08:13 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: I saw it in #ubuntu-installer backlog, thanks; it's already on my list for first thing Monday | 08:20 |
| xtknight | cjwatson, done, Bug 144278 | 08:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144278 in ubiquity "ubiquity reports progress of over 100 percent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144278 | 08:25 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 08:25 |
| xtknight | no problem | 08:25 |
| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: ok... I was mostly interested in whether the patch is appropriate... I had to dive into the d-i code at short notice :) | 08:25 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: list-devices is the right place to start, but I don't like this business of checking the device name | 08:27 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: the odd thing is that it doesn't get ID_CDROM | 08:28 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: and contrary to your report, ID_CDROM doesn't contradict DEVTYPE=disk - my internal CD here has both | 08:28 |
| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: ahhh ok, I was wondering about that. The key seems to be that for those external IEEE1394 devices they appear as disks | 08:29 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: apparently the CDROM_GET_CAPABILITY ioctl fails for them | 08:30 |
| cjwatson | which in my book makes them kind of not CD drives ;-) | 08:30 |
| cjwatson | but I'll look into it | 08:30 |
| cjwatson | it may be that your hack is the right answer for now | 08:31 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Maybe there is a deeper issue then - would explain why I had the same issue on a PowerEdge server with a SCSI CD-ROM | 08:31 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'm going to try the same solution on that server tomorrow - it's in the garage so I don't fancy standing out in the cold right now :) | 08:32 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: could you put the full udevinfo for that device in the bug? you included an incomplete snippet | 08:32 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Hmmm... let me check; I've got it on remote ssh atm, since there's big issues with the video-driver too | 08:33 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: oh, and also the output of 'sudo /lib/udev/cdrom_id /dev/scd0' | 08:34 |
| cjwatson | with any luck that will display an error | 08:34 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@riva ~>$ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/u/udev/udev-udeb_113-0ubuntu9_i386.udeb | grep cdrom | 08:35 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@riva ~>$ | 08:35 |
| cjwatson | I blame udev | 08:35 |
| cjwatson | oho | 08:35 |
| IntuitiveNipple | ok... does it help to have a CD in the drive? I'm seeing nothing atm | 08:35 |
| cjwatson | again | 08:35 |
| IntuitiveNipple | oh.. the sr0 device isn't listed now the system is booted :( | 08:36 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: I'd still be interested to see what the ID_TYPE is, if you can figure out a way to get udevinfo | 08:36 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: but I think I know where the bug is here anyway | 08:36 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'm chasing it :) | 08:37 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: will fix now though it won't help until d-i is rebuilt (which should happen tomorrow or so) | 08:41 |
| IntuitiveNipple | You'll love this! I got the udevinfo after reconnecting and restarting the PC, and it reports ID_CDROM=1 now! | 08:42 |
| IntuitiveNipple | So, is this something limited to the installer environment? | 08:42 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: yes | 08:43 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: does it have ID_TYPE=cd | 08:44 |
| cjwatson | ? | 08:44 |
| cjwatson | or what's the ID_TYPE, otherwise | 08:44 |
| IntuitiveNipple | hold tight - just adding it to the bug report for you | 08:44 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: ok, waiting | 08:47 |
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| ivoks | shouldn't mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] , in case it can't resolve, delegate resolving to dns? | 08:48 |
| IntuitiveNipple | sorry about that; my WAP/router decided to reboot itself with factory default settings! | 08:49 |
| IntuitiveNipple | bug report updated | 08:49 |
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| cjwatson | right, no ID_TYPE indeed | 08:50 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: the problem was just that the CD identification tool wasn't in the installer environment | 08:51 |
| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: fix uploaded | 08:51 |
| IntuitiveNipple | aha! | 08:51 |
| cjwatson | thanks for the help, that probably affected a lot of SCSI CDs | 08:51 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Nice one Colin; thank-you! I've suffered hours of stress trying to sort that one :) | 08:51 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | now all we need is the unionfs bug fix and I *might* be able to get Gutsy to install from LiveCD :) | 08:52 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: pkl has more locking fixes for that I think, so I'll suggest that he upload the most conservative possible set on Monday | 08:52 |
| cjwatson | fortunately that's just linux-ubuntu-modules which is a relatively quick build | 08:52 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Yes; the latest he uploaded seemed to help but there's also a blank-video issue that doesn't help! | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | I get that occasionally too, I'm not sure what's going on | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | as in nothing on the vts? | 08:53 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Could really do with ssh server installed and started *real* early for these alpha releases :) | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | pkgsel/include=openssh-server | 08:54 |
| IntuitiveNipple | nope, nothing... thats with the Vaio SRX51 & SRX41 (i810) and the Acer Travelmate C104TCi (silicon motion) | 08:54 |
| cjwatson | openssh-server starts at rc2.d/S16 nowadays | 08:54 |
| IntuitiveNipple | is it on the LiveCDs then? | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | no | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | that I can't easily help you wish | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | with | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | you might find that disabling usplash is enouygh | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | enough | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | F6 to edit the kernel command line, and delete "splash" | 08:55 |
| IntuitiveNipple | unfortunately, so far, it hasn't helped. | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | hmm | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | I blame the kernel :) | 08:55 |
| cjwatson | (un-usefully) | 08:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I've been trying tribe and daily builds on the Vaio's since tribe-3 and so far not had much luck, but until unionfs is finally solved it might be the affects of that | 08:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Feisty installed and runs perfectly on them | 08:56 |
| IntuitiveNipple | It's kinds of weird, because this Vaio VGN-FE41Z wouldn't play nicely with Feisty but with Gutsy it's perfect. With the SRX's it's the other way around | 08:57 |
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| cjwatson | IntuitiveNipple: getting the alternate CD working will let you rule out unionfs | 09:01 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | cjwatson: Well, with my work-around I can at least get that installed now... I suppose I should start testing the SRX's but why spoil a successful Sunday night!? | 09:10 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'll leave the stress for tomorrow :p | 09:10 |
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| mjg59 | Amaranth: 2000 or later ATI? | 09:25 |
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| mjg59 | Amaranth: fglrx has the necessary support now? | 09:26 |
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| jdong | fglrx 8.41 supports the HD2000 series.... | 09:27 |
| jdong | but however it doesn't work well with pervious generations :) | 09:27 |
| jdong | 8.42 is supposed to support all generations equally again. | 09:27 |
| jdong | AMD also tags 8.41 as beta-quality too | 09:27 |
| Nafallo | jdong: what was it before? :-) | 09:28 |
| mjg59 | jdong: With indirect acceleration? | 09:28 |
| jdong | mjg59: no, no indirect until 8.42 :) | 09:28 |
| mjg59 | Right. Hence my question. | 09:28 |
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| jdong | Nafallo: lol at least before it worked to some degree on all cards :) | 09:28 |
| jdong | Nafallo: 8.41 can't play fullscreen video smoothly on my x1400 | 09:29 |
| jdong | however, performance on the HD2000's is spectacular | 09:29 |
| Nafallo | jdong: I try to stick with Intel ;-) | 09:29 |
| jdong | Nafallo: agreed :) until we see how these new-fangled radeonhd drivers work out | 09:29 |
| Nafallo | naah, will still stick with intel ;-) | 09:30 |
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| Kopfgeldjaeger | somebody else and me translated the rhythmbox documentation into german. can we still get it into gutsy? | 09:47 |
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| geser | Kopfgeldjaeger: I guess so, try asking during the week when everybody is here | 09:58 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | geser: ok, thats nice | 09:58 |
| ScottK | Isn't there an IRC channel just for translation stuff? | 09:59 |
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| geser | ScottK: #ubuntu-doc perhaps? | 10:01 |
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| Amaranth | mjg59: No but it's whitelisted | 10:01 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: and i was talking later r200 and r300 | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | Amaranth: Uhm. Why did you mention 2000, then? | 10:02 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: nvidia | 10:02 |
| Amaranth | mjg59: and the ati ones that work with the open source stuff | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | Oh, you mean the year 2000 | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | Right | 10:02 |
| jander99 | is hwdb.ubuntu.com or hardware collection in general broken? | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | Not the 2000 serise | 10:02 |
| Amaranth | right | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | That's somewhat confusing :) | 10:03 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 10:03 |
| mjg59 | Though I think the r200 only appeared in 2002 or so | 10:03 |
| Amaranth | oh? | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | i know nvidia from around 2000 works | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | well, except for the out-of-memory stuff | 10:05 |
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| rohan | i just checked that with the latest live cd, my screen resolution is NOT correctly detected anymore - 1280x800 on intel gma 950. is this bug already known and filed anywhere ? if not, what package do i file it against ? | 10:08 |
| jdong | rohan: I can confirm | 10:08 |
| jdong | my 1280x800 macbook panel is detected in 1024x768 | 10:08 |
| jdong | and the displayconfig-gtk util was capable of correcting the resolution | 10:08 |
| mjg59 | rohan: xresprobe | 10:11 |
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| roha1 | jdong: i got disconnected | 10:23 |
| roha1 | what did you type ? | 10:23 |
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| rohan | jdong: i mean, relating to that resolution bug | 10:24 |
| jdong | I said my 1280x800 macbook has the same autodetect problem | 10:24 |
| mjg59 | The bug should be filed against xresprobe | 10:24 |
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| cjwatson | poppy's down - I called elmo, he's on it | 10:53 |
| cjwatson | er poppy == upload.ubuntu.com | 10:53 |
| Nafallo | the fqdn made so much more sense :-) | 10:54 |
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| cjwatson | back up now | 10:55 |
| cjwatson | elmo: thanks | 10:55 |
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| geser | siretart: ^^^ | 10:57 |
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| siretart | geser: thanks! | 11:04 |
| siretart | works :) | 11:04 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | gn8 | 11:06 |
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