[03:16] <sobersabre> hi.
[03:17] <sobersabre> I am running a research lab, and we're using debian as linux distribution.
[03:17] <sobersabre> I understand *buntu is a bit "newer" and "shinier" than the Debian stable.
[03:18] <sobersabre> but, I don't get the "edu" thing.
[03:18] <sobersabre> what's the difference between ubuntu and edubuntu ?
[03:18] <sobersabre> which "educational" aspects is edubuntu taking care of ?
[03:20] <sobersabre> hmmm is it for school level or university level ?
[03:33] <LaserJock> sobersabre: mostly school level
[03:33] <LaserJock> sobersabre: we include educational applications
[03:33] <LaserJock> as well as automatic LTSP server setup
[03:34] <LaserJock> it's basically education focused Ubuntu
[02:57] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:59] <ogra> sbalneav, bug 144296 :((
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144296 in ltsp "ltsp-build-client fails at -- updating inetd.config" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144296
[03:00] <sbalneav> Hey ogra, saw that one.
[03:00] <ogra> not sure what to do with it ... if i force the debconf frontend to noninteractive, the installer mode will break
[03:00] <sbalneav> Can't actually see where it fails
[03:01] <ogra> update-inetd waiting for input from debconf wheer no input should be
[03:01] <ogra> i force debconf to use a pipe as its frontend for ltsp-build-client
[03:02] <ogra> which is needed to pass the debconf stuff through to the installer
[03:02] <ogra> hmm, wait
[03:02] <sbalneav> Oh, so it's hanging at the end.
[03:02] <ogra> hehehe
[03:02] <sbalneav> Found it
[03:02] <ogra> welll, no
[03:02] <sbalneav> It's never done this to me before/
[03:02] <ogra> but in the installer we run ltsp-update-image separately
[03:03] <ogra> so i can force DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive from the ipdate-image module
[03:03] <ogra> *update-image
[03:03] <sbalneav> Makes sense/
[03:03] <ogra> it wont affect the installer at all :)
[03:04] <ogra> would be easier if i hadnt to build a full client again to check if it works :/
[03:05] <ogra> btw, compiz doesnt work if the server uses any of nvidia or fglrx drivers ... bot replace GL on the server and compiz cant detect it anymore
[03:05] <ogra> s/bot/both
[03:11] <sbalneav> So, what video cards DOES compiz work with, seeing as how now they don't use the 3100 and 3300 from intel? :)
[03:14] <ogra> it works on my classmate
[03:14] <ogra> using XSERVER=intel and X_MODE_0=800x480
[03:15] <ogra> totally flawless until i enable fglrx on the server :)
[03:15] <ogra> i think its the same with nvidia
[03:16] <sbalneav> Make sure to sync from my tree before you push up the fixes from Bug #144296 , Then I'll sync from you
[03:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144296 in ltsp "ltsp-build-client fails at -- updating inetd.config" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144296
[03:17] <ogra> well, are there any changes in your tree ?
[03:18] <ogra> revno: 483
[03:18] <sbalneav> Yeah, there was a minor bugfix.
[03:18] <ogra> message:
[03:18] <ogra>   Merged from ogra
[03:18] <sbalneav> /var/run/drives wasn't being created.
[03:19] <sbalneav> v 484
[03:19] <ogra> oooh
[03:19] <sbalneav> It didn't affect usbkeys, since add_fstab_entry does a mkdir -p
[03:19] <ogra> evo is evil
[03:19] <sbalneav> but for cdpinger, it was a problem.
[03:19] <ogra> boith commits were on the same day, evo shows them in wrong order here
[03:20] <sbalneav> the C version of cdpinger will call the add_fstab and remove_fstab scripts, so next version, we can drop that bit from ltsp-client-init.
[03:23] <ogra> good
[03:25] <sbalneav> I did some testing over the weekend.  My goal for most of this week is just to go through everything and test to death.
[03:29] <ogra> yeah
[03:29] <ogra> thats what we need
[03:30] <ogra> i hope beta will get us some more ordinary users :)
[03:31] <sbalneav> So, are we sub-ordinary, or extra-ordinary? :)
[03:31] <ogra> spethial
[03:31] <ogra> :)
[03:32] <sbalneav> lol
[03:32] <ogra> :/
[03:32] <ogra> nothing left on the server CD
[03:32] <ogra> lets see if it fits now
[03:32] <cliebow_> i am ordinary..want me to give a whirl?
[03:33] <cliebow_> actualyy this week is a whirl..oldest daughter getting mmarried Saturday..
[03:37] <sbalneav> So, essentially, we've ended up where you wanted to be anyway, Edubuntu just basically being an addon cd to a server install.
[03:37] <sbalneav> Maybe we should talk about that again in Boston.
[03:37] <ogra> well ....
[03:37] <ogra> not really
[03:38] <sbalneav> no?
[03:38] <ogra> its a moodle/ltsp server that will also become a samaba server later
[03:38] <ogra> not replaceable by a ubuntu ltsp server CD
[03:39] <sbalneav> ah
[03:39] <sbalneav> ok
[03:39] <ogra> my suggestion was based on the fact that we only have ltsp
[03:39] <ogra> thanks to moquist that doesnt apply andymore
[03:39] <ogra> and fredmore, and carlmore etc ...
[03:39] <highvoltage> shew, it's good he got moodle in in time
[03:40] <ogra> highvoltage, well, i havent tried the CD yet ... might be that we wont install it by default yet but only ship it
[03:40] <highvoltage> ah ok
[03:40] <ogra> nobody worked on a proper preseeding file yet and its to late for such a change
[03:41] <ogra> so i have to see how many questions there are in the installer now
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[05:53] <shriphani> sbalneav: any idea when RichEd will make an appearance ?
[06:05] <sbalneav> shriphani: No idea.  He's in SA, so should be a little closer to your time zone than I am.
[06:05] <shriphani> hmm..
[06:05] <sbalneav> Hmm SA is ambiguous
[06:05] <shriphani> btw in SA we won the T20 world cup.
[06:05] <sbalneav> South Africa
[06:05] <shriphani> south africa.
[06:06] <sbalneav> What's a T20 world cup?
[06:06] <shriphani> twenty overs cricket.
[06:07] <sbalneav> Ah, don't follow sports.  I'm Canadian and don't even watch hockey :)
[06:28] <sbalneav> ogra: Bug #14400
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 14400 in libpaper "wrong papersize selected for Canadians" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14400
[06:28] <sbalneav> um
[06:28] <sbalneav> no
[06:28] <sbalneav> Sorry
[06:28] <sbalneav> Bug #144500
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144500 in ltsp "autopkgtest gutsy ltsp-client-core amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144500
[06:32] <sbalneav> ogra: ??
[06:49] <ogra> sbalneav, duplicate of bug 73712 and of debian bug 398630
[06:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73712 in ltsp "ltsp-client preinst fails when DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73712
[06:49] <ubotu> Debian bug 398630 in ltsp-client "ltsp-client: preinst fails" [Wishlist,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/398630
[07:14] <ogra> [   ]  gutsy-server-i386.OVERSIZED         24-Sep-2007 18:05    0
[07:14] <ogra> [   ]  gutsy-server-i386.iso               24-Sep-2007 18:02  700M
[07:14] <ogra> yay
[07:27] <ogra> sbalneav, iwj is playing with the autopkgtester and abuses ltsp-client as a bad testcase (ltsp-client is supposed to fail in such environments, iwj knows that)
[07:28] <ogra> so just ignore any further mails with autopkgtest in the subject :)
[08:21] <jamiehd> Hi guys
[08:22] <jamiehd> Does anyone know of a list of the aps that are released in edubuntu, but not ubuntu
[08:22] <jamiehd> I have ubuntu, and basically want to get all the programmes through apt-get without reinstalling.
[08:37] <macogw> the edubuntu FAQ page still says that the LTS *will be* (future tense) released in June
[08:38] <macogw> in reference to 6.06
[08:44] <cliebow_> these guys have benn "haulin" with lts for gutsy and no one has had time tofix the old faq