[03:33] <Jucato> Subject:    [kde-announce]  [KDE Security Advisory]  KDM passwordless login ( http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=119021203812142&w=2 )
[03:58] <coreymon77> Jucato: although that was fixed
[03:58] <coreymon77> Jucato: nixternal told me to put that it was fixed in the team report
[03:58] <Jucato> in Kubuntu? good :)
[03:59] <coreymon77> look at the report
[03:59] <coreymon77> you'll see
[03:59] <Jucato> hahah sorry if I didn't notice the exact item there :)
[03:59] <coreymon77> nixternal told me that he updated kde-base to fix that exact problem
[04:31] <nixternal> yo
[04:32] <nixternal> Jucato: all of my patches were made available, but nobody has uploaded anything yet
[04:32] <Jucato> yay :)
[04:33] <Jucato> nixternal: I wasn't able to hunt you down this morning, since my 30 minute nap turned into 7 hours of sleep :)
[04:34] <nixternal> hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> nixternal: I was wondering if you had any idea about learning APT's API.. just curious about it...
[04:35] <nixternal> I have never looked at it honestly
[04:35] <Jucato> (since manchicken seemed to point to your earlier for doc)
[04:35] <Jucato> heh
[04:35] <nixternal> oh
[04:35] <nixternal> I will have to take a look at it
[04:37] <nixternal> heh
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, I uploaded a fixed knetworkmanager yesterday, as your latest upload misses the dbus configuration file, resulting knm fails to connect to dbus on a daily-build installation
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the upload requires approval by a distro manager, should I ping mithrandir or wll we wait for beta freeze to end ?
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem will occur for everyone testing the beta, so maybe fixing this before release wold be nice
[09:25] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[09:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: !
[09:26] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ Jucato :)
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: tested kdebluetooth widelly, I' think we're done for gutsy now :)
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so many, many thanks for your help on that point
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw we should get our patches merged I guess
[09:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet. It was kinda uphill :) - you're welcome, always glad to help
[09:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as you already contacted dgollub, will you send him the patches ?
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, I will find out what we patched in the end.
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and contact him
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably just ping pitti regarding knm
[09:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping me if you don't hate time for this
[09:30] <_StefanS_> sure
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: is he distro manager now ?
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: I think he is release-mgr for this beta
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: oki I'll ping him then
[09:33] <Lure> hi Jucato - great post about kde!
[09:33] <Jucato> thanks :)
[09:33] <Jucato> it got dugg
[09:33] <Jucato> (or digg'ed)
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got time to review the needed patches with me? I think so of them is actually obsolete now
[09:42] <_StefanS_> now why did backlight up/down stop working on my laptop
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure, but maybe toonight only, or tomorrow, I'm at work right now :)
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: talking about bluetooth: can you also fix bug 135893 for beta?
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135893 in kdebluetooth "kblueplugd crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135893
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: oh, you did already ;-)
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: no, the last comment is still valid...
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_:
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_03_obex2_push.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_04_obex2_make_up_work.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_05_fix_input_tool_segfault.patch
[09:50] <Tonio_> kubuntu_07_fix_header_include.patch
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: here is the lsit of patches that should be merged I guess
[09:51] <_StefanS_> yep
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: although the patch 07 is more a workarround for the build to go properly, since builddir <> srcdir
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw I didn't find a clean way to make it to work....... there should be one
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is 07 still valid for beta7 then?
[09:51] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: unfortunatelly yes, as I guess they test by compiling locally, then builddir = srcdir and the problem doesn't occurt
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok, not that important I think, its a small patch
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point is that using -I$(top_builddir) and -I$(build_dir) in a Makefile.am isn't very clean I guess
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah I'd say this one should be merged but is optionnal
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gotcha.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the other patches are for segfaults and obex2 so ery important
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just found a segfault for kdebluetooth
[09:54] <_StefanS_> where?
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: use kbluemon and then click on "discover remove services", sometimes it segfaults, sometime it doesn't
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect that's due to the moment you scan on it
[09:54] <_StefanS_> smells like bluez..
[09:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sometime the segfault occurs on click
[09:55] <Tonio_> sometime it occurs a few seconds later
[09:55] <Tonio_> sometimes it just works :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right, I'm talking to them in #kdebluetooth right now
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdebluetooth 1.8 was jjust published, kio_obex is back, and kio_obex2 is dumped.
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to have alot of changes actually
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm trying it out now
[10:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lemme know your tests, so that I'll prepare the package
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't forget the "up" thing btw :)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: will do, giving it a beating now.
[10:48] <Tonio_> :)
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: url issues are gone because it got reverted to kio_obex instead.
[10:51] <Tonio_> oki
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tpatzig: there are other sdp services offerd from mobile phones (e.g SyncML) which where not shown at the moment
[10:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just figurering out of the beta7 contains those.
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that syncml is supposed to work with 1.8 ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> that would be amazing
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nawp. They removed it since the old behavior was to just show everything regardless of the apps installed
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki
[11:00] <Tonio_> well so it'll be hidden ?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yes.
[11:00] <Tonio_> that's stupid, you can use it to check if a service has been correctly activated on the device
[11:00] <_StefanS_> they are talking about creating <service>.service files to it
[11:00] <Tonio_> that's the purpose of the scanner I guess no ?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> to do it
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho you just talk about the ioslave ? ;) then that's nice
[11:01] <_StefanS_> trusts work for bt-input devices
[11:01] <_StefanS_> which is good !
[11:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki so they just patched the obex:/ to work out the way obex2:/ did
[11:01] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:01] <_StefanS_> obex2 made too many problems.
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: asking about manually enable syncml.
[11:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well that will work, but it's a bit messy to do that manually in bluez
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, it was just an option. Maybe we should just leave it disabled.
[11:04] <Tonio_> but better than this, PAN support would be genius
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  we just have to implement it. so that kbluetooth searches for valid desktop files according to the found service
[11:04] <Tonio_> syncml is more a matter of kitchensync/opensync
[11:04] <_StefanS_> ^ was that the way?
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope ;)
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I was talking about before dbus/bluez integration:)
[11:05] <agarfu> hi
[11:05] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[11:08] <Riddell> hola agarfu
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think 1.8 is a go. Seems more bugfixed that beta8
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: If I was to package it, how do you normally solve those "unpresentable changes to source" that dpkg-source complains about?
[11:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: did you rebuild the makefiles ?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 1000+ times.
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if yes, then it might me some *.gmo files to delete
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I usually get that error, and dont know what to do
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gmo? cached stuff I assume
[11:25] <Tonio_> find -name "*gmo" | xargs rm -rf
[11:25] <Tonio_> should fix the problem
[11:25] <_StefanS_> good
[11:25] <_StefanS_> I think we can leave out most of our patches if we use 1.8
[11:26] <_StefanS_> which eases the upgrade hassles.
[11:29] <_StefanS_> it would be cool to include acrobat reader 8 in ubuntu..
[11:30] <_StefanS_> even though its gtk, it works great
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you fix for *.gmo works great :)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: The basic source is almost done, proceeding with the patches.
[11:48] <Tonio_> oki :-)
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kde.pot patch, what does it do?
[11:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strings extraction to rosetta
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, it should stay in ofcourse :)
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and desktop files (kubuntu_02) also it seems
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what about autostart, is there still an issue?
[11:54] <agarfu> hello Riddell, I've created the project at launchpad
[11:54] <agarfu> https://launchpad.net/unidistro/
[11:55] <Riddell> awooga
[11:56] <agarfu> I've talk to the other components of the project and they think that change the repository from forja.rediris.es to launchpad is not a good idea
[11:56] <Riddell> why not?
[11:57] <agarfu> I've seen that there are some prjects, like kde that are hosted out of launchpad
[11:58] <agarfu> because as I told you, initially the project was founded by several spanish universities
[12:00] <agarfu> and in Spain there is a big net called Red Iris that holds all the investigation centers
[12:00] <Riddell> of course loads of projects are hosted outside of launchpad, but using a well known host makes it easier for people to contribute (I've no idea how to get an account on the current host to commit changes)
[12:00] <agarfu> we have the project in one of their services
[12:01] <agarfu> that's the problem
[12:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope autostart works
[12:01] <agarfu> you won't be able to do that
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[12:01] <Riddell> :(  not exactly open development then
[12:01] <agarfu> because you have to be part of one spanish universities
[12:01] <agarfu> yes
[12:01] <agarfu> I'll try to convince them
[12:02] <agarfu> to move the repo
[12:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've included 01, 02, 07 patches. It builds.
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like it conflicts with qobex now (tryng to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex)
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: removed qobex, and now it works. Donno if it was important :)
[12:10] <_StefanS_> goota reboot.
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: wibble on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144397
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144397 in kdebase "kdesu on gutsy hangs" [Undecided,New] 
[12:41] <agarfu> Riddell I'm pushing the code into launchpad
[12:42] <agarfu> 1 revision(s) pushed. Done
[12:42] <Riddell> agarfu: oh?  did people change their minds?
[12:43] <agarfu> yes, with the correct questions you get the right answers
[12:44] <Riddell> :)
[12:44] <Riddell> agarfu: did you create a team?
[12:44] <agarfu> no, I don't know how to create a team
[12:44] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[12:44] <Riddell> then you can push the branch to ~your-team
[12:45] <Riddell> that means anyone in the team can commit to it
[12:45] <agarfu> great
[12:45] <agarfu> just a moment ...
[12:48] <agarfu> https://launchpad.net/~unidistro
[12:49] <Riddell> groovy, I'm 'jr' if you want to add me
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking, super strage btw
[12:49] <agarfu> sure
[12:49] <agarfu> I'm pushing now to ~unidistro
[12:50] <Riddell> once you've done that you can do bzr checkout ...  which means you can do bzr commit  with no push needed
[12:50] <agarfu> Jonathan Riddell (jr) has been added as a member of this team.
[12:50] <Riddell> or you can do bzr branch, commit locally and push when ready
[12:51] <agarfu> pushed
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi pitti approved the knm upload I did yesterday, will be in for beta
[12:53] <Riddell> I saw that, thanks Tonio_
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wow this guys likes to complain: http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2007/09/kubuntu-gutsy-issues.html
[01:06] <_StefanS_> guys/guy
[01:10] <Riddell> they all seem like fair complaints
[01:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the package is done, and works just fine :)
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdebluetooth/
[01:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looking ;)
[01:31] <meduxa> riddell good trip to get home?
[01:31] <meduxa> Riddell good trip to get home?
[01:33] <Riddell> meduxa: yes thanks, no problems
[01:33] <meduxa> ok
[01:34] <agarfu> hi meduxa
[01:34] <agarfu> !
[01:34] <meduxa> hi agarfu
[01:35] <meduxa> :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: for a new upstream version of kdebluetooth, I will need a UFS exception request now right ?
[01:43] <Tonio_> UVF
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: or is the exception you've done still available ?
[01:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it a new version?
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: beta8 IS OUT YES
[01:44] <Riddell> we're still on beta
[01:44] <Tonio_> oups
[01:44] <Riddell> that's fine, just go ahead
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[01:44] <Riddell> the general exception I said was for anything up to final 1.0
[01:45] <Riddell> so long as it doesn't go adding new features
[01:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just bugfixes
[01:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you dropped a patch for the autostart..... why ?
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I thought you said it werent needed? :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope it's still needed :)
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just stuff it in again then :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: let's had it back
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you do it?
[01:48] <_StefanS_> or should I ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doing it now and uploading
[01:49] <_StefanS_> goody
[01:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you test it ?
[01:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope I will before uploading of course :)
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I renamed the Devices to Adapters since its going to be default for the newer upstream versions. Seems alot better when you have to distinguish between menus
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: both devs agreed.
[01:51] <Tonio_> sure
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey I thought you were at work ? :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, but before 2 pm I can work on ubuntu hehe
[01:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:06] <Jucato> hm... kpdf and kubuntu... tsk tsk...
[02:07] <Riddell> have you ever noticed any problems?
[02:07] <Jucato> not with the app... with the devs :)
[02:08] <Jucato> Riddell: I think you're right about the kdm theme. we could include an alternative no-list theme
[02:08] <Riddell> it just needs the non-list theme added back with a different name
[02:08] <Jucato> yep
[02:09] <Riddell> feel free to do that
[02:09] <Jucato> and now that kdmtheme works properly in system settings again, it will be easy to switch themes
[02:09] <Jucato> hahah I'm staying away from packages for now. I'll just be preparing a bot factoid about this :)
[02:31] <Lure> Tonio_, _StefanS_: can you check that this minor bug from last comment of bug 135893 is fixed?
[02:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135893 in kdebluetooth "kblueplugd crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135893
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like it isn't
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just need a dependency in the rules file I think for python-qt4
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: in the control file I mean
[02:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdebluetooth/control
[02:43] <allee> agarfu: a description for the LP uniteam team is always a good idea ;)
[02:43] <allee> Hi Hobbsee
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hi allee, how's it going?
[02:44] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, it's monday.  IMHO that says it all ;)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> allee: haha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> true.  but i didnt have to work today :D :D :D
[02:45] <allee> Hobbsee: sounds great!
[02:46] <nixternal> *yawn*
[02:46] <Jucato> moin nixternal
[02:47] <nixternal> mornin'
[02:47] <Jucato> you gonna curse your ISP again today?
[02:47] <nixternal> not as bad last night, but I am on the lookout for a comcast truck to come through my neighborhood...hopefully he isn't armed :p
[02:48] <Jucato> he most likely will be an unsuspecting fellow
[02:49] <Jucato> wow 367 diggs...
[02:49] <nixternal> to what?
[02:50] <Jucato> huh?
[02:50] <Jucato> ah my post
[02:50] <Jucato> btw.. "There doesn't seem to be near as much involvement in Kubuntu as there is with Ubuntu so the quality shows (not saying Kubuntu is bad, just not as good as it could be). It's unfortunate but not exactly KDE's fault."
[02:54] <raphink> :(
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Jucato: not really true, i think its more of what you are seeing is ubuntu-devs working on things that ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu share
[02:55] <Jucato> um.. don't tell me :)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> Jucato: given yes there are mmore devs in ubuntu than kubuntu
[02:56] <Jucato> tell the guy on digg.. I don't have an account
[02:56] <gnomefreak> screw digg
[02:56] <Jucato> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Some_of_the_reasons_for_using_KDE?t=9368515#c9368515
[02:56] <gnomefreak> nothing but people guessing and giving bad advice
[02:56] <Jucato> well it launched me temporary popularity :)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> i used to read it but too much crap passes through there
[02:57] <Jucato> I rarely read digg or /. most of the time I just click on the links to the real articles
[02:57] <Jucato> but this time I have to take note :)
[03:16] <jjesse> morning
[03:18] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[03:18] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[03:20] <jjesse> well found my flight to boston for UDS
[03:21] <Hobbsee> woo!
[03:21] <jjesse> routing through chicago like always :(
[03:22] <jjesse> do we have to book hotel rooms or how does that work?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> you're getting sponsored?
[03:22] <jjesse> Hobbsee: yes i am sponsored
[03:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: did you get claire's email?
[03:23] <jjesse> yeah i gotta findi t
[03:24] <Hobbsee> claire usually fixes it all - although it would be helpful if you tell her who you want to room with
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: did you book thru EYAS?
[03:24] <jjesse> Hobbsee: haven't actually bought the ticket yet
[03:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you can usually just tell EYAS what flight you're on, that you're goign to UDS with canonical, and they'll book it, and send you an itenary.  oh, and will send canonical the bill by deafult
[03:25] <jjesse> Hobbsee: ok thanks,
[03:52] <Tonio_> _stfixing this thanks
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[04:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:29] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[04:30] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: --> /query, as hte info is not exactly public
[04:35] <Jucato> oooh secret :)
[05:01] <AgarFu> hi again
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pointers suck.
[05:16] <Jucato> hah! :)
[05:37] <manchicken_> Hmm... everytime I open an application I get something telling me: Could not find mime type\n\napplication/octet-stream
[05:37] <manchicken_> This is weird.
[05:38] <marseillai> got the same after yeserday upgrade
[05:38] <marseillai> and i don't have network neither! :)
[05:39] <Jucato> after the update of n-m, you have to reconfigure/restart it...
[05:39] <Jucato> it cut me off too...
[05:44] <manchicken_> Okay, I thought I'd hurt my config.
[05:47] <marseillai> Jucato, no it's a known bug with last kernel and realtek chipset
[05:47] <Jucato> oh
[05:52] <Jucato> hm... so kdmtheme now start with "Enable KDM Themes" disabled, because the kdmtheme settings are in /etct/defaults/kdm.d/
[06:40] <tuxinator> hi guys
[06:40] <tuxinator> how to switch from devfs to "normal"?
[06:44] <Riddell> devfs is longsince dead
[07:07] <tuxinator> Riddell so why my kubuntu with a custom kernel claims at boot devfs unknown filesystem type devfs
[07:08] <Riddell> dunno, but we use udev
[07:08] <tuxinator> i want to test something amd 64 turion overheating/performance related so i need a custom kernel
[07:09] <tuxinator> my fstab: http://pastebin.org/3214
[08:42] <meduxa> [18:42]  <meduxa> hi all, I want to write a press report about what happened during II Jornadas de Software Libre de la ULL conference, related with KDE, Kubuntu and mEDUXa, who do I write it to?
[08:42] <meduxa> [18:42]  <meduxa> so you guys can make it public if you want to?
[08:44] <Riddell> meduxa: hi
[08:44] <meduxa> hi
[08:44] <meduxa> I also have a picture about the event
[08:44] <Riddell> meduxa: it could go on the fridge?
[08:45] <meduxa> if you thinks so... ok
[08:45] <meduxa> do I send it to you?
[08:46] <meduxa> I'll send it tomorrow
[08:46] <Riddell> yeah, send it to me
[08:46] <meduxa> ok, thanks
[08:50] <davmor2> bug 144531 Just written by me as I'm beta testing todays iso is there any other info you guys need?
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144531 in knetworkmanager "Knetworkmanager refuses to connect to wireless network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144531
[08:55] <Riddell> davmor2: what version of knetworkmanager do you have
[08:55] <Riddell> tonio should have fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144531
[08:56] <davmor2> Riddell: 0.2
[08:57] <Riddell> davmor2: apt-cache policy knetworkmanager
[08:58] <davmor2> 0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu4
[08:59] <Riddell> davmor2: you need 1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5
[08:59] <davmor2> Riddell: it's the one that's on todays iso
[08:59] <Riddell> it wasn't fixed until this afternoon
[09:01] <davmor2> Riddell: right so shall I tell stgraber to cancel the Kubuntu tests till tomorrow?
[09:02] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's still useful to know if people pick up other bugs
[09:02] <Riddell> all the CDs need remade anyway
[09:06] <davmor2> Riddell: NP I'll carry on testing then :)  Why do they all need rebuilding?
[09:43] <Riddell> davmor2: there's a fix for ubiquity too I believe
[09:44] <davmor2> Riddell: I think that is already in as I have successfully installed Xubuntu which I couldn't before.
[09:45] <davmor2> Riddell: mind you some of the iso's still seem oversize :(
[09:46] <Riddell> that'll be an issue too
[09:48] <davmor2> Riddell: I think mentioning no names cough cough Ubuntu alternative and Edubuntu cough cough are the main ones everything else seems to be under
[09:49] <davmor2> ubuntu5 has indeed fixed the nm issue
[09:49] <Riddell> great
[09:50] <davmor2> I've updated the bug too
[09:51] <davmor2> Riddell: and as a bonus no install and qtparted this time either :)#
[09:51] <Riddell> no install?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> hey Riddell
[09:53] <davmor2> I told you friday night or saturday night that on the installed system there were place markers in the menu for install and qtparted
[09:53] <davmor2> they've now gone :)
[09:54] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[09:54] <Riddell> hi Stecchino
[09:54] <Riddell> hmm
[09:54] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_
[09:54] <Riddell> those pesky underscores
[09:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:55] <_StefanS_> hey use tab you lazy.. you! :)
[09:56] <Riddell> I did, but the underscores mean you're last in the tab line
[09:59] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:59] <_StefanS_> good guys finish last, no?
[10:00] <_StefanS_> gotta put the screws back into the laptop
[10:06] <davmor2> Riddell: Found an interesting bug on a fresh install not updated in anyway try and install nvidia-glx using restricted driver manager or play an mp3.   It can't install anything.  If you refresh the repo's everything works flawlessly
[10:15] <bddebian> Hey you KDE types.  /usr/share/applnk/System is where .desktop files go for you folks?  I know that /usr/share/applications works for you but if a current package ships it in the former, should I move it, symlink it, what?
[10:17] <Riddell> /usr/share/applnk/ is obsolete, it works with KDE for backwards compatibility but to work with all desktops use /usr/share/applications
[10:17] <stdin> or /usr/share/applications/kde/ for KDE specific apps
[10:17] <bddebian> OK, thanks gents
[10:30] <bddebian> Any clues on which sudo to use to Exec= that will work for both gnome and kde?
[10:31] <ScottK> I don't think there is one.
[10:31] <bddebian> I thought one of the Xsudo s worked
[10:33] <Riddell> X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[10:33] <Riddell> bddebian: ^^
[10:33] <bddebian> What does that do?
[10:34] <Riddell> what you asked for
[10:34] <bddebian> For gnome as well?
[10:34] <bddebian> Right now this .desktop has:
[10:34] <bddebian> X-KDE-RootOnly=true
[10:35] <bddebian> X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[10:35] <bddebian> and X-KDE-Username=root
[10:36] <Riddell> I could be wrong but I think it should work for gnome too
[10:36] <bddebian> OK, thanks
[10:36] <Riddell> pitti will know
[10:36] <bddebian> Hmm, I think pitti hates me :-)
[10:37] <Riddell> surely not, he's lovely
[10:37] <bddebian> Everyone over there hates me :-)
[10:37] <Riddell> nonsence
[11:02] <bddebian> ScottK: You bored and want to do a test for me? :)
[11:12] <ScottK> bddebian: Not bored.  No.
[11:12] <bddebian> Damn, I get no love :'-(
[11:45] <jjesse> @time Sydney
[11:45] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 25 2007, 07:45:47 - Next meeting: Server Team meeting in 17 hours 14 minutes
[11:46] <jjesse> evening nixternal
[11:46] <nixternal> howdy
[11:47] <nixternal> man, I just made a killer sandwich
[11:47] <jjesse> so i might be teaching a class in syndey australia in november
[11:47] <nixternal> nice
[11:47] <jjesse> yeah for just a week
[11:47] <jjesse> no clue how long it takes to get there
[11:47] <nixternal> that is enough time to have a little fun
[11:47] <jjesse> trying to get my wife to take time off work to go
[11:47] <nixternal> from Chicago, you are looking at like 30 hours I think
[11:48] <jjesse> holy cow
[11:48] <jjesse> that's forever
[11:49] <nixternal> I have never flown there, only by boat :)
[11:50] <jjesse> sarah around/
[11:50] <jjesse> ?
[11:50] <nixternal> don't see her
[11:51] <jjesse> its like a 14 hour time difference i think
[11:52] <nixternal> 15
[11:53] <nixternal> it is 7:53am there right now
[11:53] <jjesse> well its 5:53 pm here so 14 for me
[11:53] <nixternal> I have my clock in kicker also show off some other country times so I can try and keep up
[11:53] <nixternal> oh ya, derr :)
[11:54] <jjesse> 14 hours from san fransico to sydney
[11:55] <nixternal> so then 18+
[11:55] <nixternal> that isn't to shabby
[11:55] <jjesse> yeah, grand rapids to denver -> denver to SFO -> SFO to SYD
[11:55] <nixternal> 19hr 15min according to orbitz :)
[11:55] <jjesse> yeah trying to find cheapest flight
[11:56] <nixternal> $1000 is the cheapest I see right now
[11:56] <nixternal> Chi -> SF -> AU
[11:56] <jjesse> ah you don't have the extra hop that i do
[11:56] <nixternal> just the one hop
[11:57] <jjesse> thats a heck of a long time to be in a plane
[11:57] <jjesse> first class united is 24k
[11:59] <jjesse> total duration is looking like 20+ hours
[12:00] <jjesse> that's a heck of a long time to be in a plane for 5 days of training
[12:00] <nixternal> heh
[12:12] <nixternal> Riddell: kdebase 3.5.7 updates with the kdm security fix is in bzr btw
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe time to start on Beta release page?
[12:16] <nixternal> hey, I just found out my grandmother died, so I may be gone for a bit here
[12:16] <nixternal> if I get some time to start it before heading to Michigan I will get on it
[12:16] <Riddell> ok, hugs all round
[12:16] <nixternal> thanks
[12:16] <Riddell> dinnae fash yerself, we can handle it
[12:17] <nixternal> let me find out what is happening