[12:38] <ardchoille> LjL: the --auto-remove option was added to apt-get in Edgy
[12:38] <ardchoille> LjL: "remove --auto-remove" removes the package and all its deps
[12:39] <LjL> ardchoille: so was the autoremove command
[12:39] <ardchoille> LjL: yes, but --auto-remove is now an option
[12:39] <LjL> ardchoille: only *its* deps, or also every other deps that's marked as no longer needed?
[12:39] <LjL> autoremove still exists too though
[12:39] <ardchoille> LjL: only its deps, you will need autoremove for other deps no longer needed (at least I think that's how it works)
[12:39] <LjL> reading the man page, it sounds more like "apt-get --auto-remove remove <package>" behaves just like "apt-get autoremove <package>"
[12:40] <LjL> hm pity i'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade and can't play with it now
[12:41] <ardchoille> LjL: I'm not sure, really. I have never used autoremove by itself.. I've only used apt-get remove --auto-remove and I know it removes the package and it s deps
[12:41] <linux_> 
[12:42] <LjL> ardchoille: well but if you use it as a rule, then you aren't likely to notice if it removes *other* stuff too, since you don't have any =)
[12:42] <LjL> !ru
[12:42] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:42] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[12:42] <ardchoille> linux_: Hello :)
[12:42] <eryt> za4em
[12:42] <eryt> ??
[12:42] <ardchoille> LjL: Good point
[12:42] <LjL> anyway, "sudo apt-get autoremove [<package>] " certainly does remove everything, so for imachine's need, --auto-remove certainly won't hurt
[12:43] <eryt> :))
[12:43] <imachine> hehe
[12:43] <imachine> the best way was aptitude
[12:43] <imachine> getting into kde
[12:43] <imachine> and just pressing '-'
[12:43] <imachine> ;)
[12:43] <LjL> imachine: yeah, i guess i'd trust aptitude more with autoremoval, when we're talking about the entire kubuntu-desktop thingie
[12:44] <imachine> well
[12:44] <ardchoille> aptitude is cool, but it's still just a front-end for APT.. like apt-get, synaptic, adept, etc
[12:44] <imachine> we'll see how well it goes ;)
[12:44] <imachine> yes
[12:44] <LjL> ardchoille: that's not true
[12:44] <imachine> so it should be doable with apt
[12:44] <imachine> BUT
[12:44] <imachine> I'm not a ubuntu user... by day
[12:44] <LjL> ardchoille: it has had its *own* unused-dependency-tracking for a long time
[12:44] <imachine> I just install this because I recieved a laptop to service with a broken win install
[12:44] <imachine> which I couldn't fix
[12:45] <LjL> and while i think it's been claimed that, since apt-get also got that feature in ubuntu, the databases get "synchronized", the logic is still aptitude's own
[12:45] <ardchoille> LjL: True, which is why I filed that bug about apt-get that lead the devs to add "--auto-remove"
[12:45] <imachine> so to compensate, I installed linux for this dude and backed his data up
[12:45] <imachine> :)
[12:46] <imachine> I use archlinux personally
[12:46] <imachine> ;)
[12:46] <LjL> ardchoille: you mean the autoremoval feature in general or the specific -- option?
[12:47] <ardchoille> LjL: That option for apt-get
[12:47] <LjL> ardchoille: yeah but i mean, i'm pretty sure the autoremove command came first, then after a while it got documented in the 'man', and --auto-remove came at some time after either the first or the second event
[12:48] <ardchoille> Well, it wasn't just me, several people filed the same type of bug report and the devs listened.. which is one reason I love this distro.
[12:48] <ardchoille> LjL: there was no --auto-remove type of feature in Dapper afaik
[12:48] <LjL> ardchoille: no, i know, it was all added in edgy
[12:49] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:49] <LjL> ardchoille: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/105144
[12:49] <LjL> looking at this it would seem that
[12:49] <VMUbuntu> hello
[12:49] <LjL> 1) the autoremove features were added, *both* "autoremove" command and "--auto-remove" option
[12:49] <LjL> 2) *then* "autoremove" got documented, but not "--auto-remove"
[12:49] <LjL> 3) then apparently now --auto-remove is documented too
[12:50] <ardchoille> LjL: They were both added in Edgy? or beofre that?
[12:50] <LjL> ardchoille: edgy, edgy
[12:50] <ardchoille> Yeah
[12:51] <LjL> but i know for a fact that, when "autoremove" was added (never knew about --auto-remove), it wasn't documented; and that later there was a bug report about the lack of documentation for it
[12:51] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[12:51] <LjL> and when that bug was fixed, i'm not *sure*, but i'm pretty confident that only "autoremove" got documented, but not "--auto-remove"
[12:52] <ardchoille> I think you're right about that
[12:52] <gary> who moderates this channel?
[12:52] <ardchoille> the secret ops
[12:52] <ardchoille> :)
[12:52] <gary> heh
[12:53] <ardchoille> You won't know until you screw up
[12:53] <gary> ah guess it's good that i don't know then
[12:53] <ardchoille> Keeps us on our toes
[12:54] <LjL> gary: if you need to know because you have complains or something, though, they can be reached, there's a web page somewhere
[12:54] <vbgunz> anyone here know how to stop that pesky KDE daemon dialog from showing on OTHER accounts?
[12:54] <gary> nah just curious
[12:55] <vbgunz> when you insert a memstick, a cd, dvd, a usb drive, the current account handles it. WHY does it show up on other accounts when switching uses when that media is LONG gone?
[12:55] <LjL> sure, i always join channels and immediately ask who the moderators are too, just to be sure ;)
[12:55] <gary> you bet lol
[12:58] <MacZtttlkwork> Hi
[12:58] <gary> hello
[12:59] <MacZtttlkwork> A little question: I want to create a partition in a free space portion of my hard disc. It's the same hard disc I'm using now with Kubuntu. Is it safe to create it with QTparted? Or should I use the liveCD?
[01:00] <LjL> as long as you're only touching space that's already unpartitioned, you should be safe even without the live cd
[01:01] <MacZtttlkwork> Thanks LjL
[01:02] <garfield> how do i see what is connected to my usb ports?
[01:02] <LjL> lsusb
[01:02] <garfield> ok
[01:05] <garfield> how do i spot kubuntu from having problems so i dont have to reinstall? :/
[01:06] <gary> >> /var/log is a good place to start
[01:09] <nighthawk> Hallo
[01:09] <gary> waves /hello
[01:10] <garfield> hi
[01:10] <nighthawk> Kann mir mal jemand sagen wie ich meine WINTV karte zum laufen Kriege und die auch konfigurieren kann unter KUBUNTU?
[01:10] <LjL> !de
[01:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:11] <gary> do i still need to install ntfs-3g in feisty?  it seems all my win partitions are already mounted and recognized
[01:11] <LjL> !tv
[01:11] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[01:11] <nighthawk> THX
[01:11] <LjL> gary: read-only...
[01:11] <gary> ic
[01:14] <gary> k i have ntfs-3g installed from repos, but i see no place to run it
[01:15] <gary> it's not in my k menu or anything
[01:19] <Lunar_Lamp> !firefox
[01:19] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:20] <garfield> gary
[01:21] <BluesKaj> well, i upgraded the fglrx driver to the latest proprietary from ati . DRI  and fgl_glxgears works fine , but google earth still freezes at intialize ...there some thins about copy a libGL.so file into the google earth dir but that doesn't work for me . Wondering if anyone has solved this prob
[01:21] <garfield> gary: u had to install ntfs-config
[01:22] <garfield> BluesKaj: what website u use to instal fglrx the last time i install it i had to reinstall linux :(
[01:22] <gary> i installed it, but i don't see anywhere that i can access it to mount an ntfs partition
[01:22] <wesley_> nighthawk: Kdetv ?
[01:23] <garfield> gary: system>ntfs configtool
[01:23] <garfield> k-menu
[01:23] <gary> it's not in my k-menu
[01:23] <gary> probably a botched install hmm
[01:23] <garfield> gary: well u didnt install ntfs-config then
[01:24] <gary> i'll try a reinstall in adept manager
[01:24] <fkm> http://www.noooxml.org/petition
[01:24] <garfield> gary: u dont have adept allready?
[01:24] <gary> i have it yes
[01:24] <gary> i installed ntfs-3g using adeptmanager
[01:24] <BluesKaj> garfield, I used the ati download
[01:25] <garfield> gary: u didnt had to install ntfs-3g but ntfs-config
[01:25] <gary> k
[01:25] <gary> yep that's it
[01:25] <garfield> BluesKaj: ??? you dont have the link for it?(the website)
[01:25] <gary> thx bro
[01:26] <BluesKaj> actually it's good to have both ntfs-3g and ntfs-config ,gary
[01:26] <BluesKaj> garfield, www.ati.com
[01:26] <garfield> BluesKaj: when u install ntfs-config it comes with ntfs-3g
[01:27] <gary> garfield: for me it didn't
[01:27] <garfield> BluesKaj: oh u went on the website it self
[01:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:27] <dudeicles> how can you check to see how much space is left on your main HD?
[01:27] <gary> i just right click a folder and select properties
[01:28] <dudeicles> but that's just each folder
[01:28] <dudeicles> I want full HD size, amount avail
[01:28] <gary> file light
[01:28] <newsense07> df -h ?
[01:29] <garfield> dudeicles:  dude look good in propreties it's there
[01:29] <gary> thnk he wants graphical view
[01:29] <dudeicles> df -h works perfect
[01:29] <dudeicles> just right clicking on a folder shows you the space on that folder
[01:29] <dudeicles> I wanted space on full HD
[01:29] <newsense07> browse to / and right click
[01:29] <newsense07> select prop
[01:30] <dudeicles> in Konqueror?
[01:30] <gary> yeah
[01:30] <newsense07> yep
[01:30] <dudeicles> ok
[01:30] <newsense07> should show same as df -h
[01:31] <gary> if you want a nice birdseye view of hd space, check out filelight
[01:31] <dudeicles> wow sucks
[01:31] <dudeicles> I'm down to 1 gig left.
[01:31] <garfield> lol
[01:31] <dudeicles> LOL
[01:31] <garfield> backup time
[01:31] <newsense07> i got a 5gig hdd, how do ya think i feel ,lol
[01:31] <dudeicles> this is 12
[01:31] <oem> amarok do not work!!!
[01:31] <newsense07> only got a 550mhz psu
[01:32] <oem> on my comp
[01:32] <dudeicles> I just installed Virtualbox and WindowsXP on it
[01:32] <dudeicles> leaves me no more space.
[01:33] <newsense07> whats virtualbox, like vmware or wine or some emulator
[01:33] <Jucato_> !info virtualbox
[01:33] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:33] <Jucato_> bah it's only in gutys? heh
[01:34] <Jucato_> escription: PC virtualization solution VirtualBox is a free PC virtualization solution allowing you to run a wide range of PC operating systems on your Linux system. This includes Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, DOS, OpenBSD and others
[01:34] <dudeicles> yeah
[01:34] <dudeicles> live cmware
[01:34] <dudeicles> vmware
[01:34] <dudeicles> I believe it's better than Wine only because it actually has Windows on it
[01:34] <newsense07> never tried it
[01:34] <dudeicles> so you can run so much more software on it
[01:35] <Jucato_> er...
[01:35] <newsense07> i tried vmware before and ran osx on a 3.2g p3/ht and it ran like shit
[01:35] <newsense07> sorry
[01:35] <newsense07> excuse my language
[01:35] <dudeicles> really?
[01:35] <newsense07> yeah
[01:35] <Jucato_> it's like vmware. you install a whole OS
[01:35] <dudeicles> try Cirtualbox
[01:35] <dudeicles> dangit
[01:35] <dudeicles> you know what I mean
[01:35] <dudeicles> LOL
[01:35] <newsense07> i was bored at work one day, dont care to try it again
[01:36] <dudeicles> it's rated better in comparisons I read
[01:36] <newsense07> ill save up for a mac
[01:36] <dudeicles> lol
[01:36] <dudeicles> k
[01:36] <dudeicles> I don't think I could ever save up for that long
[01:36] <dudeicles> :P
[01:37] <ubunteado> holas
[01:37] <newsense07> they do got that 499.99usd macmini
[01:37] <newsense07> might get one of those
[01:37] <dudeicles> yeah maybe
[01:37] <newsense07> !cirtualizes
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cirtualizes - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <newsense07> lmao
[01:37] <dudeicles> lol
[01:38] <newsense07> got any bots to lookup dictionary ?
[01:39] <Jucato_> nope. the only bots allowed here are for official Kubuntu use
[01:39] <newsense07> Jucato_: sorry ill keep ontopic
[01:40] <Jucato_> newsense07: you can try typing "dict:word" in Konqueror
[01:40] <Jucato_> Alt+F2, dict:word does the same
[01:40] <newsense07> cool
[01:40] <garfield> Jucato_: how can i see the name of the driver linux is using for the sound
[01:40] <garfield> ?
[01:40] <Jucato_> know*
[01:41] <newsense07> lspci : grep audio ?
[01:41] <lavacano201014> garfield: probably in some settings dialog or config file somewhere
[01:41] <Jucato_> newsense07: that will only show the hardware he has
[01:41] <Jucato_> not the driver that the system uses
[01:41] <garfield> Tm_T: how can i see the name of the driver linux is using for the sound
[01:41] <newsense07> errerr meant lsmod | grep sound
[01:41] <Jucato_> perhaps lsmod, but I'm not familiar with it
[01:42] <newsense07> sorry
[01:42] <ardchoille> newsense07:  lsmod | grep sound  returns nothing here
[01:42] <lavacano201014> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop?
[01:42] <lavacano201014> no wait
[01:42] <newsense07> on my box it does
[01:42] <garfield> ???
[01:42] <newsense07> lsmod | less and go through the modules
[01:43] <Jucato_> "lsmod | grep snd" might give some ideas
[01:43] <ardchoille> newsense07: lsmod  grep snd  ?
[01:43] <ardchoille> Jucato_: :)
[01:43] <newsense07> thats what i was going to suggest too
[01:44] <JoKiJo> I have 2 users set up... on one it lets me work as root, such as open adept manager. On the other (that I'm on now) when I enter the password for root it always come back saying incorrect. Any idea what is causing this?
[01:44] <ardchoille> s#grep#| grep#
[01:44] <newsense07> JoKiJo: have to add user to adm and admin groups
[01:44] <ardchoille> JoKiJo: Are both users in sudoers?
[01:44] <Jucato_> newsense07: just admin
[01:44] <garfield> JoKiJo: maybe it could be your keyboard layout
[01:45] <garfield> JoKiJo: insted of a you get q for example
[01:45] <Jucato_> nothing to do with keyboards :)
[01:45] <Jucato_> only the first user is a sudoer by default
[01:45] <Distro^Junkie> anyone here use stage 6 for viewing videos
[01:45] <Distro^Junkie> ?
[01:45] <Jucato_> all other users created after must be explicitly added to the sudoers group (admin)
[01:46] <newsense07> Jucato_: thanks for the correction, what is the adm grp for ?
[01:46] <JoKiJo> Hmmm, I dont really know how to check. I'm fairly new to linux/kubuntu
[01:46] <Jucato_> JoKiJo: System Settings -> User Management
[01:46] <Jucato_> !away > DarkHack
[01:46] <Jucato_> newsense07: not exactly sure. I forgot
[01:46] <JoKiJo> qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm - Keyboard layout seems okay.
[01:47] <ardchoille> Jucato_: What's the proper syntax for that? sudo adduser username admin   ?
[01:47] <Jucato_> JoKiJo: btw, there is no root password. it's the user's sudo password
[01:47] <JoKiJo> Ohhhh I see
[01:47] <Jucato_> ardchoille: most probably yes
[01:48] <LjL> yes it is
[01:48] <Jucato_> sudo gpasswd -a user group works too
[01:48] <JoKiJo> Got it Jucato. Thanks
[01:48] <Jucato_> there's a GUI for user management and mounting too
[01:48] <ardchoille> Jucato_: Yeah, just noticed that
[01:49] <ardchoille> The person who intriduced me to Linux made me use it for two weeks without xorg
[01:50] <JoKiJo> Sounds like a Linux bootcamp
[01:51] <ardchoille> She's a slackware lover
[01:53] <ardchoille> One thing I would like to see in the Ubuntu community are courses.
[01:55] <ardchoille> The wiki and the documentation are awesome, but I'd like to see something that goes much deeper than those. Like courses on individual apps like a tutorial of deep understanding of dpkg or APT
[01:55] <The_Miker> hmm, can anyone help me with getting my webcam to work in Feisty?
[01:56] <JoKiJo> That would be great ardchoille
[01:56] <ardchoille> Who would I contact about setting up something like http://tutorials.ubuntu.com  ?
[01:58] <juan> can you store a password in crypttab
[01:58] <draik> How do I find the mount points for my CD and DVD drives?
[01:58] <ardchoille> draik: cat /etc/fstab  ?
[01:59] <BluesKaj> i just installed the latest experimental HD AMD/ATI driver 8.41.7, and it rocks on this elcheapo ATIX200G graphics card. frame rates are 50% higher using the fgl_glxgears test
[02:00] <The_Miker> ha, i wish i could get that driver to work on my card
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> hey people
[02:00] <The_Miker> i'm stuck with 8.40.4
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> hows everyone doin?
[02:00] <sharp0bjectz> can somebody help me figure out how to get my JRE working in kubuntu 7.04?
[02:00] <BluesKaj> The_Miker
[02:00] <BluesKaj> :(
[02:01] <The_Miker> i know, it's horrible.
[02:01] <The_Miker> i'm hoping the 8.42 drivers work
[02:01] <JoKiJo> I haven't got around to fiddling with this WINE program yet. Does it work pretty well?
[02:01] <ardchoille> !jre | sharp0bjectz
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <The_Miker> but hoping that ATI puts out good drivers is just...eh, a dumb idea.
[02:01] <ardchoille> !java | sharp0bjectz
[02:01] <ubotu> sharp0bjectz: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:02] <draik> ardchoille: Thank you.
[02:02] <draik> For some strange reason, it's claiming that the /dev/sd1 is not what I have chosen
[02:02] <draik> It's stating /dev/hdb
[02:03] <BluesKaj> The_ Miker, try uninstalling your 8.40.4 and then just go for the 8.41.7 even if your card isn't the same as the one listed it's the HD 2900 that you want
[02:03] <The_Miker> oh i did
[02:03] <The_Miker> i couldn't X to start unless i removed glesx.so
[02:03] <The_Miker> which crippled 3D
[02:03] <BluesKaj> bummer
[02:03] <pillowpants> how can i do an ip trace?
[02:03] <pillowpants> to see what domain im on
[02:03] <xanathos> Kite_DH: .....
[02:03] <xanathos> I want to install nvidia-glx-legacy but there are 3 lines missing in my xorg.conf, can somebody help me?
[02:04] <sharp0bjectz> Ubotu, i am on kubuntu 7.04
[02:04] <BluesKaj> install neotrace pro in wine or xtraceroute
[02:04] <sharp0bjectz> is it ok to use adept with 7.04?
[02:04] <pillowpants> xanathos : dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:04] <pillowpants> sharp0bjectz : nothing wrong with it
[02:04] <draik> Is there a way to remove entries from fstab?
[02:04] <ardchoille> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:04] <BluesKaj> xanathos,post it on pastebin
[02:04] <ardchoille> And you need sudo with it
[02:05] <ardchoille> xanathos: How are you installing the drivers?
[02:05] <xanathos> ardchoille: nvidia-legacy
[02:05] <ardchoille> !nvidia | xanathos
[02:05] <xanathos> Sysinfo for 'xanathos': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP1600+ at 1394 MHz (2789 bogomips), , RAM: 495/503MB, 123 proc's, 6.18h up
[02:05] <ubotu> xanathos: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:06] <draik> !fstab
[02:06] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:06] <The_Miker> so, can anyone help me get this quickcam express working?
[02:06] <ardchoille> !webcam
[02:06] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:07] <blackneo> hi all
[02:07] <ardchoille> !hi
[02:07] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:07] <blackneo> :D
[02:07] <blackneo> this is my first time here
[02:08] <The_Miker> right, i did what it says, used quickcam.sh and all, but it says it can't find any webcams, after listing the cam only a few lines above o_O
[02:08] <The_Miker> i've been trying to get this to work for ages
[02:09] <blackneo> whats wrong Miker?
[02:10] <The_Miker> can't get my computer to recognize my webcam
[02:10] <ardchoille> blackneo: Know anything about getting a quickcam working?
[02:10] <dudeicles> man this is killing me. how can I burn a DVD with K3B It just keeps ending on me
[02:10] <sharp0bjectz> i have a quickcam zoom and cant get it working either
[02:10] <sharp0bjectz> ...?
[02:11] <dudeicles> If I paste the debug window could someone help me?
[02:11] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, a commercial dvd ?
[02:11] <dudeicles> COMPUSA dvd
[02:11] <dudeicles> lol
[02:11] <blackneo> kubuntu feisty?
[02:11] <The_Miker> the odd thing is, there's 3 different entries for "quickcam express" on that list
[02:11] <The_Miker> yeah
[02:11] <The_Miker> some people say it should just be supported by default, which it isn't
[02:11] <dudeicles> kubuntu feisty here
[02:12] <blackneo> paste me lsusb output
[02:12] <sharp0bjectz> kubuntu 7.04?
[02:12] <sharp0bjectz> lol is wut i got
[02:12] <dudeicles> lol
[02:13] <blackneo> im reading about that
[02:13] <The_Miker> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[02:13] <blackneo> it seems that you need to recompile your kernel
[02:13] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, it's prolly copyrighted, if you have libdvdcss2 installed that will defeat any copyright issues
[02:13] <dudeicles> oh no BluesKaj I misunderestood you
[02:13] <dudeicles> i'm burning simple data onto a DVD
[02:13] <blackneo> try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239516
[02:14] <dudeicles> from my HD
[02:14] <blackneo> its for dapper but it should work
[02:15] <blackneo> maybe the drivers are restricted
[02:16] <sharp0bjectz> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:08b4 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Zoom
[02:17] <draik> How do I get the UUID for a drive?
[02:17] <The_Miker> bleh, i get compilation errors on that driver
[02:18] <ardchoille> draik: If this is for a cd or dvd drive, I have just used /dev/* and it works in fstab
[02:18] <draik> For both?
[02:18] <ardchoille> yes
[02:18] <ardchoille> But I am using IDE hw, not sata
[02:18] <blackneo> wich errors?
[02:19] <draik> ardchoille: I have a DVD reader in IDE Master and DVD DL on IDE Slave.
[02:19] <draik> The HDD is SATA
[02:19] <blackneo> do you have build-essentials; kernel-headers;etc...?
[02:19] <The_Miker> yeah, that's what puzzles me
[02:19] <blackneo> lol
[02:19] <blackneo> :)
[02:19] <ardchoille> draik: The dvd's would be /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd which is what I have too
[02:19] <The_Miker> i have those packages but it's telling me it can't find linux/config.h
[02:20] <blackneo> pastme the complete log
[02:20] <draik> ardchoille: Even if there isn't another IDE drive?
[02:20] <The_Miker> where, in a query?
[02:20] <blackneo> okay
[02:21] <ardchoille> draik: Ok, would that be IDE channel 1 or 2 ?
[02:21] <blackneo> ups
[02:21] <blackneo> im not registered
[02:21] <blackneo> lol
[02:21] <ardchoille> draik: Here is my partial fstab: http://ardchoille.pastebin.us/39688
[02:21] <draik> Should be 1
[02:22] <ardchoille> draik: I would think IDE channel 1 would be /dev/hda (master) and /dev/hdb (slave)
[02:22] <The_Miker> oops
[02:22] <draik> I have tried both
[02:22] <The_Miker> :\
[02:23] <draik> I keep getting /dev/hda hdb hdc hdd do not exist
[02:23] <acee1234> im trying to use audacity to edit some audio but i get an error whenever i try to playback something reading "Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate."
[02:23] <draik> I even tried scd 0 and scd1
[02:25] <draik> ardchoille: What if I remove all the entries for the cd/dvd drives from fstab. What would happen?
[02:25] <ardchoille> draik: Not sure if it would re-write them or not. Can you pastebin your fstab?
[02:25] <draik> NO
[02:26] <draik> Sorry, got caps lock on
[02:26] <draik> No, I can't. I'm KVM into this other machine
[02:26] <ardchoille> ok
[02:27] <ardchoille> draik: I would think IDE channel 1 devices would be /dev/hda and /dev/hdb respectively
[02:27] <draik> As would I
[02:27] <ardchoille> !uuid
[02:27] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:27] <ardchoille> draik: sudo blkid
[02:28] <draik> ardchoille: There is only one IDE. The other is for the floppy
[02:28] <draik> Ok. One sec
[02:28] <ardchoille> draik: btw, that command wasn't much help here
[02:28] <draik> Not shown. Only see the Kubuntu and SWAP partitions
[02:28] <ardchoille> Yeah, same
[02:29] <draik> Ok
[02:29] <ardchoille> draik: Try that url ubotu posted
[02:30] <blackneo> back again!
[02:30] <The_Miker> wb
[02:31] <The_Miker> i should also note that xawtv makes my system crash to a black screen and i can't even restart X :S
[02:31] <draik> ardchoille: The strange thing is that I was able to burn to the DVD just prior to trying to read a DVD from the same drive
[02:32] <ardchoille> draik: I wonder if you can just create an iso (mkisofs) from the desired files and then d&d that iso into k3b
[02:33] <ardchoille> I seem to remember doing that when k3b didn't wanna do its job
[02:33] <draik> It's not k3b
[02:33] <draik> It won't read a DVD that is inserted
[02:34] <draik> I didn't get the options when I inserted the DVD and the drive was not mounted
[02:34] <ardchoille> Right, because your drives are mucked
[02:34] <winbond> is it true that most apps dont work in kde4?
[02:34] <ardchoille> It's hard to learn how to fix problems when you have a distro which doesn't give you any problems :)
[02:34] <Biovore> kde4 bearly works
[02:34] <jhutchins> draik: If the disk is bad, it won't show up as a drive/
[02:35] <jhutchins> draik: You can look at dmesg and/or /var/log/messages right after you load a disk, but you can also listen to what the drive does.
[02:35] <winbond> ardchoille, i know u are not talking about ubuntu
[02:36] <jhutchins> draik: It's also possible for the read subsystem to fail independently of the write system; also for the CD subsystem to fail seperately from the DVD system.
[02:36] <dudeicles> what's the file on your HD that has the mount information?
[02:37] <ardchoille> winbond: I have installed ubuntu on over 100 machines and the only problem I have ever seen is how to change the kmenu icon
[02:37] <jhutchins> dudeicles: mtab, but you may be thinking of fstab.
[02:37] <dudeicles> yeah I think you are right
[02:37] <dudeicles> jhutchins: fstab sounds right
[02:37] <dudeicles> where cna I find that jhutchins?
[02:37] <jhutchins> dudeicles: in /etc/
[02:37] <Jucato>  /etc/fstab
[02:38] <jhutchins> dudeicles: You will need sudo or kdesu if you want to change it
[02:38] <dudeicles> I want to copy it
[02:38] <ardchoille> winbond: Of course, I build my own machines instead of buying them off the shelf
[02:38] <dudeicles> i'm going to install Ubuntu on anotehr of my HD's and need that file.
[02:38] <dudeicles> thanks guys
[02:38] <dudeicles> bye
[02:39] <jhutchins> ardchoille: The problem is that if you haven't had any problems, you haven't learned how to fix them.
[02:39] <ardchoille> jhutchins: exactly
[02:40] <jhutchins> One of the handy things about IRC, you can learn from other people's mistakes <grin>
[02:40] <hydrogen> you're kidding.. right ardchoille?
[02:40] <ardchoille> True.. which is where I learned a lot of stuff
[02:40] <ardchoille> hydrogen: No
[02:40] <AndreMilton> hi everybody
[02:40] <hydrogen>  /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/64x64/apps/kmenu.png
[02:40] <hydrogen> in about 2 seconds worth of `find`
[02:41] <hydrogen> replace crystalsvg with whatever icon theme you use
[02:41] <ardchoille> hydrogen: When you build your own computers, you can pick and choose which hardware goes into them.. and I choose hardware that I know works with the *buntu's
[02:41] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Yeah, figured that out a while back
[02:42] <AndreMilton> i don't succeed too make a video capture of my screen with vlc , vlc ask me the device capture name with by default /dev/video but i don't have any folder or file like video in my dev folder
[02:42] <Jucato> hm..
[02:42] <Jucato> !kmenu
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Guh... I wish I could come to a decent decision in regards to this laptop.
[02:42] <Jucato> hmph
[02:44] <ardchoille> !tastymenu
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tastymenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <hydrogen> !menu
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <ardchoille> Jucato: Make one :)
[02:44] <Biovore> yeah.. tastymenu isn't in the repos..
[02:44] <Biovore> have to build it your self
[02:44] <ardchoille> Biovore: There is a kubuntu deb on kde-apps.org
[02:45] <Biovore> rgr
[02:45] <Jucato> but  not for the latest rc
[02:45] <Biovore> but its not in the repos..
[02:45] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, it's for the latest.. it's been updated
[02:45] <Jucato> ah good
[02:45] <Jucato> probably heheh
[02:45] <ardchoille> :)
[02:46] <ardchoille> Some distros have replaced their kmenu with tastymenu. I wish kubuntu would do the same
[02:46] <Jucato> some?
[02:46] <ardchoille> yes
[02:46] <_2> i have a broken apt.    if i do apt-get install -f    it wants to remove all packages.   and dpkg --configure -a   simply returns to the prompt.
[02:47] <jhutchins> ardchoille: When you're looking for a package and are pretty sure it's there, use !info, if you're looking for a file or aren't as sure use !find. !<package> only works if the package is a special keyword.
[02:47] <Jucato> cd
[02:47] <Jucato> oops wrong window
[02:47] <draik> jhutchins: Sorry, I was on the other computer.
[02:47] <_2> Jucato using the irc client for a shell again ?
[02:47] <draik> Jucato: Isn't the command /j ?
[02:47] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok, thanks
[02:48] <Jucato> _2: heh yeah
[02:48] <draik> jhutchins: It's a new DVD DL burner drive.
[02:48] <_2> :)
[02:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: thanks for? I think you mean jhutchins
[02:48] <draik> I see it when I go through the System Settings, but I need to setup the drive to mount
[02:48] <jhutchins> draik: If it's broken, it doesn't really matter, just pointing out that you should consider testing all the modes before you give up on it.
[02:49] <draik> The DVD I just burned plays on my computer
[02:49] <jhutchins> draik: You might actually need to reboot.
[02:49] <draik> Ok
[02:49] <draik> I will try that...
[02:49] <_2> Q have the hoary repos been purged or can a fellow still apt get from them ?
[02:49] <draik> Ok. It's restarting
[02:49] <garfield> how do i get to window ch?
[02:50] <_2> garfield /join ##windows
[02:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Linux Mint 2.2 is one of the distros which has tastymenu in place of kmenu and I know there are others
[02:50] <ardchoille> Ah, yes. jhutchins, thanks for that info
[02:50] <hydrogen> so you mean fringe distro's?
[02:50] <hydrogen> that make changes just to be different/
[02:50] <Jucato> ardchoille: sure you didn't mistake kickoff for tasty?
[02:51] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Well, wasn't Linux itself in that boat at one time?
[02:51] <_2> still is
[02:51] <Jucato> huh?
[02:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: According to Distrowatch, it's tastymenu
[02:51] <hydrogen> wow
[02:51] <hydrogen> tastymenu is horrible
[02:51] <hydrogen> and ugly
[02:51] <hydrogen> and better not ever replace kmenu
[02:51] <ardchoille> lol
[02:52] <hydrogen> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=41866&file1=41866-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Tasty+Menu&PHPSESSID=6050c969e3d9cb6dc6ed66e17d11398e
[02:52] <hydrogen> enough said
[02:52] <ardchoille> Can't please everyone all the time
[02:52] <_2> hydrogen from what you say, it's sure to in about one release of kde....
[02:52] <Jucato> hydrogen: all 3 alternative menus have strengths and weaknesses
[02:52] <Jucato> I just hope someone makes one that has all the strengths only :P
[02:52] <hydrogen> Jucato: and tastymenu seems to have a corner on the weaknesses
[02:52] <savetheWorld> Just FYI- Linux was never in the position of making changes just to be different and has never had to be.
[02:52] <Dragnslcr> Wow
[02:52] <Jucato> hydrogen: not really
[02:53] <_2> Jucato wouldn't that be a console
[02:53] <_2> :)
[02:53] <hydrogen> personally the only thing I use kmenu for is to log off/shut down
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> I guess tastymenu would be perfect for someone that needs a full-screen menu
[02:53] <Jucato> lol
[02:53] <hydrogen> and if I could figure out what command they run I wouldn't even do that
[02:53] <Jucato> hydrogen: let me remove that last use case for you and just put the logout applet :)
[02:53] <Jucato> then you can remove the kmenu haha
[02:53] <TheWoozle> Anyone know what might cause a laptop which had been running just fine for several weeks to suddenly be unable to get past the splash-screen-and-progress-bar stage in Kubuntu 7.04?
[02:53] <Unununium> Hello, helping my brother set up 32-bit Firefox on his AMD64 laptop, so I'm reading FirefoxAMD64FlashJava.  But the "MPlayer plugins" link is bad.  Any advice?
[02:53] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: Well, you can specify how big or small tastymenu is
[02:53] <Jucato> hydrogen: or why bother.. right-click on the desktop :)
[02:54] <hydrogen> Jucato: then I have to get to the desktop :/
[02:54] <hydrogen> i'd rather know the actual command
[02:54] <hydrogen> alt-f2 ->klogout would be very nice
[02:54] <TheWoozle> I tried running startkde from the command line, but I get the message " unable to open display '' " and "Can't contact kdeinit!" but that may just mean I shouldn't be trying to start kde from the text terminal interface.
[02:54] <Jucato> hydrogen: Alt+F1 is equally nice :)
[02:54] <hydrogen> but involves the mouse
[02:55] <TheWoozle> (I'm searching the forums now.)
[02:55] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Make a launcher with:  dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0
[02:55] <hydrogen> ah
[02:55] <hydrogen> does that show the dialog?/
[02:55] <hydrogen> or does that just logout?
[02:55] <ardchoille> yes
[02:55] <Jucato> a launcher would still involve the mouse :)
[02:55] <ardchoille> dialog shows
[02:55] <hydrogen> i could make a bash script
[02:55] <hydrogen> that called that in my path
[02:56] <ardchoille> And then make a kb shortcut for it
[02:56] <Jucato> hm.. that reminds me.. KDE and $PATH
[02:56] <_2> now there's a mouth full    "KDE and $PATH"
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Hm, where does the System Menu applet store its items? Mine seems to have been mysteriously emptied
[02:57] <ardchoille> dcop ksmserver ksmserver lock 0 0 0  <doesn't work, tho
[02:57] <ardchoille> :(
[02:58] <ardchoille> Dragnslcr: ~/.config/menus  and  ~/.local/share/applications  ?
[02:59] <hydrogen> ardchoille: you are fired!
[02:59] <Jucato> System Menu? the one beside the K Menu
[02:59] <ardchoille> hydrogen: If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...
[02:59] <lavacano201014> TheWoozle: try katapult
[02:59] <TheWoozle> Ok, thanks...
[02:59] <lavacano201014> yup
[02:59] <TheWoozle> lavacano201014: "katapult: cannot connect to X server"
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- yeah, that one. I kinda miss the quick shortcut to my home directory
[03:00] <lavacano201014> sudo telinit 5
[03:00] <ardchoille> ok, how about:  system:/  ?
[03:00] <draik> ardchoille: I can't mount the drive with either hda, hdb, hdc, hdd, scd0, scd1
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Thank you
[03:00] <hydrogen> ardchoille: that definatly didnt show a dialog :)
[03:00] <ardchoille> draik: Is the hw bad? or going bad?
[03:00] <TheWoozle> Well this is odd... /proc/meminfo claims I have 256248 kb of RAM, but I'm pretty sure this beast only has 192 MB...
[03:00] <draik> Nope
[03:01] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Shows one here
[03:01] <draik> I just bought the DVD DL burner
[03:01] <adrian_> ?
[03:01] <lavacano201014> TheWoozle: divide 256248 by 1024
[03:01] <_2> draik odd....  a fuel truck carries fuel,  a water truck carries water,  why does a fire truck not cary fire ?
[03:01] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:02] <lavacano201014> lol
[03:02] <draik> Because it would be a flame truck
[03:02] <TheWoozle> lavacano201014: 250
[03:02] <elecninja> Fight fire with fire.
[03:02] <_2> oh that's just silly.   who ever heard of a flame truck
[03:02] <adrian_> any one know how to install kb3?
[03:02] <lavacano201014> hmmm
[03:02] <TheWoozle> Which makes even less sense, but I wasn't expecting it to...
[03:02] <lavacano201014> you are probably mistaken then
[03:03] <lavacano201014> it must have 250 MB ram
[03:03] <elecninja> Flame truck might be like a flamethrower on a truck
[03:03] <TheWoozle> I'm gonna see if this beast will boot with a liveCD.
[03:03] <ardchoille> adrian_: sudo apt-get install k3b  ?
[03:03] <naknomik> I am trying to play VCD and Kaffein keeps crashing
[03:03] <draik> adrian_: Sure. Let us know what kb3 is first and then we'll help you out with that.
[03:03] <adrian_> :D
[03:04] <[ifr0g] > naknomik, did you try mplayer ?
[03:04] <The_Miker> i must have bad luck :(
[03:04] <Jucato> naknomik: yeah big bug in feisty I think
[03:04] <elecninja> Or VLC if you're desperate enough. So I've heard
[03:04] <Jucato> naknomik: try kmplayer (with mplayer) or vlc
[03:05] <adrian_> draik: its a burning tool
[03:05] <_2> Jucato do you happen to know of any mirror that still has the hoary debs ?
[03:05] <Jucato> _2: nope. if you do find one please tell me too
[03:05] <_2> i'm not finding one.
[03:05] <Jucato> someone from our LoCo is looking for one
[03:05] <Jucato> I don't think there would be any
[03:05] <lavacano201014> i think theyve gone LoCo
[03:05] <Jucato> heh
[03:05] <ardchoille> It's no longer supported so it's gone, no?
[03:05] <_2> well that just stinketh.
[03:06] <Jucato> there might be 3rd-party repos/mirrors.... but I doubt
[03:06] <lavacano201014> hey amy
[03:06] <draik> adrian_: k3b is a burning tool, I don't know about kb3
[03:07] <elecninja> It's a simple typo, don't bug him about it.
[03:07] <_2> draik that's cause you are not lisdexic
[03:07] <Jucato> don't you nmean lysdexic?
[03:07] <_2> oh yeah
[03:07] <_2> you know i can't spell that
[03:08] <Jucato> reali?
[03:08] <ardchoille> lol
[03:08] <draik> 3kb?
[03:08] <adrian_> sorry, k3b :D
[03:08] <ardchoille> Use a spehlchekkur
[03:08] <_2> ardchoille why jucato works just fine for that   :)
[03:08] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:09] <Jucato> me is webstir
[03:09] <ardchoille> This channel is cool :)
[03:09] <_2> aint it tho
[03:09] <_2> :)
[03:09] <lavacano201014> and Chuck Norris is Death.
[03:10] <[ifr0g] > Any one here use any kind of ids ?
[03:11] <ardchoille> !snort
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snort - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <ardchoille> !info snort
[03:11] <ubotu> snort: Flexible Network Intrusion Detection System. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.3-9 (feisty), package size 341 kB, installed size 824 kB
[03:11] <_2> so basicly the only way to fix apt on that hoary box is to  a) upgrade to dapper   b) let apt-get install -f remove all packages....   niether of which are acceptable to me.
[03:11] <[ifr0g] > How about ossec :)
[03:12] <adrian_> draik: its k3b
[03:12] <ardchoille> _2: Why do you want to keep a distro which is no longer getting security updates?
[03:12] <draik> I know :)
[03:12] <_2> ardchoille cause it will fit on the 2g hd in that 486...
[03:12] <_2> ardchoille it's not like it's going to be online anway.
[03:13] <_2> anyway   y y y
[03:13] <ardchoille> _2: Install Feisty server install and then install a window manager?
[03:13] <ardchoille> That would cut a lot of size down
[03:13] <_2> so it will have to be updated ???
[03:13] <_2> nah.
[03:13] <_2> easier to remove apt and be done with a broken apt...
[03:14] <[ifr0g] > lol
[03:14] <_2> dpkg still works ok.
[03:15] <adrian_> its almost the first time i use ubuntu and i need something to burn music but i cant install k3b
[03:15] <adrian_> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:15] <_2> and just remember you are not dealing with normal logic your are dealing with intelikeyism
[03:15] <NickPresta> adrian_, relax.
[03:15] <ardchoille> adrian_: What's up?
[03:16] <adrian_> :D
[03:16] <ElecNinja> You can install Kubuntu
[03:16] <_2> adrian_ someone answered you when you first asked
[03:16] <ElecNinja> K3b comes with it.
[03:16] <ardchoille> adrian_: Why can't you install k3b?
[03:16] <NickPresta> adrian_, are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu? If it's the former, gnomebaker should already be installed. If you are indeed on Kubuntu, k3b should be installed already too
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:16] <adrian_> ?
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:16] <ardchoille> fail
[03:16] <ElecNinja> Maybe he doesn't know about the console?
[03:16] <adrian_> is ubuntu
[03:16] <[ifr0g] > sudo apt-get install k3b
[03:16] <_2> sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:17] <ardchoille> adrian_: You should have gnomebaker
[03:17] <adrian_> what is that?
[03:17] <NickPresta> adrian_, for reference, the ubuntu channel is #ubuntu. You should have gnomebaker
[03:17] <ardchoille> !info gnombaker
[03:17] <ubotu> Package gnombaker does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:17] <_2> !burners
[03:17] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[03:17] <adrian_> :S
[03:17] <draik> ardchoille: What do you think would happen if I were to clear out fstab?
[03:17] <ardchoille> draik: The system won't be able to find any drives?
[03:18] <ardchoille> draik: Is there gona be a test later?
[03:18] <_2> adrian  the answer to your question,  just incase noone answered you yet, is;   sudo apt-get isntall k3b
[03:18] <adrian_> :D
[03:18] <adrian_> ok
[03:18] <_2> :)
[03:18] <draik> ardchoille: If you wish. I have to find a way to recreate what is in there
[03:18] <ElecNinja> I'm curious as to why OSS doesn't seem to work for the most part. Any particular reason?
[03:19] <_2> draik you don't need an fstab for linux to work.
[03:19] <ardchoille> draik: I have the original fstab which was installed on my box, would that help?
[03:19] <ardchoille> Probably not
[03:19] <draik> ...............
[03:20] <ardchoille> ElecNinja: You wanna rephrase that so that it has some semblance of fact?
[03:20] <_2> use the mount  command and see what is mounted and where then write an fstab
[03:20] <ardchoille> _2: his drives aren't mounted
[03:21] <_2> his root fs is.  and that's all he needs to start.   then use   cat /proc/partitions   and look up what you have   then decide where you want it mounted.
[03:21] <NickPresta> ElecNinja, the Open Source Software ideology, or Open Sound System? ;)
[03:22] <ElecNinja> Sound, sorry for that. So far, it seems that I can't do much with the Open Sound System. Or maybe it's my comp
[03:22] <NickPresta> ElecNinja, well, what are you trying to do?
[03:23] <ardchoille> ElecNinja: Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding
[03:23] <_2> run this.   for Q in /dev/hd* /dev/scd* ;do eject $Q && echo " that one is $Q" ;done      to find the cd/dvd drives.
[03:23] <ElecNinja> My fault, I was trying to play mp3 with Amarok before, though trying to edit xine didn't seem to work.
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: k3b calls them /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1
[03:24] <Jucato> ardchoille: you're right. linux mint does use tasty. perhaps to balance with their GNOME's use of Slab :/
[03:24] <draik> ardchoille: Does that help?
[03:24] <ardchoille> draik: It seems that is using an scsi name model with ide drives :S
[03:25] <_2> does the version of *buntu you have use scsi emulation   or is that k3b specific draik ?
[03:25] <ardchoille> Jucato: I never liked slab
[03:25] <Jucato> it's GNOME. no wonder :)
[03:25] <ardchoille> hehe
[03:25] <draik> _2: It's Feisty Kubuntu
[03:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: I liked tasty menu.. more features than kmenu and you can specify the size tasty takes up on the screen.
[03:26] <_2> draik upgraded from edgy ?     edgy did use scsi emulation by default  iirc
[03:26] <Jucato> (much more than kickoff though)
[03:26] <draik> Fresh install
[03:26] <_2> k
[03:27] <Jucato> ardchoille: but configuring tasty is a bit clunky too... but so is kbfx in some areas. anyway...
[03:27] <ardchoille> Yeah
[03:27] <ardchoille> lol
[03:28] <ardchoille> I feel that, at the very least, tastymenu should be in the repos.
[03:28] <Jucato> ardchoille: you can either 1) package it yourself or 2) request for it for the next release (although I don't know the process of requesting in MOTU)
[03:28] <_2> Jucato give the keyboard a rest,  it's spilling C code onto the channel !
[03:29] <_2> :)
[03:29] <Jucato> return rest;
[03:29] <_2> :)
[03:29] <ardchoille> Jucato: I suck at packaging. I need to find out how to make a request.
[03:29] <eleveniseven> hello
[03:30] <_2> eleveniseven
[03:30] <eleveniseven> does anyone here know of any drivers for spdif for asalia hda sound, i have nvidia nforce 680i chipset
[03:30] <eleveniseven> i cannot get my optical out to work
[03:31] <ardchoille> !motu
[03:31] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:31] <eleveniseven> is that for me?
[03:31] <_2> no
[03:31] <ardchoille> Jucato: Seems pretty easy to get a new app in universe
[03:32] <Jucato> ardchoille: define easy :)
[03:32] <ElecNinja> The make comman requires you to put in the name of the makefile right?
[03:32] <Jucato> coz if it were easy, you could do it yourself, right?
[03:32] <draik> _2: Any significat changes from the Kubuntu 7.04 fresh install?
[03:32] <ardchoille> Jucato:  "To get a package into Ubuntu, please file a bug in Launchpad and make sure it has the tag needs-packaging."
[03:32] <eleveniseven> so is that no,...no one knows..?
[03:32] <_2> eleveniseven if uncle googoogiggle  can't find one.  i sure can't.
[03:33] <ardchoille> Jucato:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[03:33] <eleveniseven> well, ive searched hi and low on google, i read things where people have compiled their own kernels to do it, but i cant do taht
[03:33] <_2> draik from the upgrade ?    only the use of scsi emulation   and i thing they phased that out too.
[03:33] <Jucato> ardchoille: to revise what you said "seems pretty easy to **request** to get a new app in universe"
[03:33] <eleveniseven> i didnt know if anyone here has gotten it to work any other way?
[03:34] <draik> _2: Any way to get that in Feisty?
[03:34] <_2> eleveniseven not that i'm aware of.
[03:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, yes, good point that.
[03:34] <eleveniseven> well, that sucks,
[03:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Tastymenu is already there (launchpad) and has the appropriate tag.
[03:34] <_2> draik yes.   i think it's as simple as an arg on the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: most likely it won't even get noticed/considered until gutsy release
[03:34] <ardchoille> yeah
[03:35] <Jucato> and still have to wait for someone interested enough to do it :)
[03:35] <draik> _2: Put my cd/dvd drives on the menu.lst?
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato: yeah :(
[03:35] <_2> draik better check for a howto on it.  but i think it's something like      idescsi
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato:  http://tinyurl.com/296pnt
[03:35] <NickPresta> ardchoille, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003 make a deb and distribute that for now?
[03:35] <ardchoille> Jucato: Status reads: In Progress
[03:35] <eleveniseven> well, thanks i guess
[03:36] <_2> draik or   scsiemu      one or tother
[03:36] <draik> What am I to google?
[03:36] <_2> scsi emulation
[03:36] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Tried that, got my butt kicked, lol. Will try again.
[03:36] <_2> or    ide scsi emulation
[03:37] <_2> draik note.  that will make any hd's also appear as scsi drives.    i.e.   hda will become  sda
[03:37] <NickPresta> ardchoille, heh.
[03:37] <Jucato> ardchoille: lucky you. apachelogger seems to have done it already
[03:38] <draik> _2: It's already sda
[03:38] <NickPresta> Jucato, the link is dead =(
[03:38] <Jucato> NickPresta: which link
[03:38] <Jucato> ah revu?
[03:38] <Jucato> it constantly changes I think
[03:38] <NickPresta> Jucato, yes.
[03:38] <The_Miker> i've got an interesting question....does anyone else besides me think Linux hates nForce 2 chipsets?
[03:38] <_2> draik it was phased out of fiesty because so many were complaining about the nomenclature </!sp>
[03:38] <NickPresta> Oh.
[03:41] <khaije1> anyone using bluetooth on fiesty? i just need to know it's not broken
[03:42] <khaije1> (in general i mean)
[03:42] <ardchoille> NickPresta: That link you posted certainly is easier than other packaging tutorials I have tried to follow
[03:43] <rustalot> ok, so I'm installing a command line system from the alternate cd, and it says "Configuring less".... what is there to configure about less??
[03:44] <_2> i like this old "compaq" (R) mini tower case.   they might not have anything else going for them but the case is "snazzie"
[03:45] <_2> rustalot every package gets configured.
[03:45] <_2> even the meta package that contain ZERO files
[03:46] <_2> but as to the exact question.    dpkg -L less | grep etc
[03:47] <n1badboy> hi all
[03:47] <_2> or maybe    grep bin
[03:47] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Where is the ./compile, make steps being done? Is that what dpkg-buildpackage does?
[03:48] <NickPresta> ardchoille, AFAIK, dpkg-buildpackage takes care of that
[03:48] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[03:49] <NickPresta> ardchoille, the man pages say its a control script to help automate the building of a package
[03:49] <_2> Krap...   the dapper live wont install in 128m ram, will it?
[03:49] <Jucato> ardchoille: the Debian packaging system automates a lot of stuff that you don't have to even run configure and make
[03:50] <_2> looks like that box will get hoary too
[03:51] <ardchoille> Wow, I'm gonna try this
[03:51] <Jucato> ardchoille: the tradeoff is that it is a bit of work to get a properly Debianized package from scratch
[03:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, but I bet lintian can help a bit\
[03:52] <Jucato> well I mean getting the debian/ directory files right :)
[03:52] <Jucato> CDBS might help more
[03:52] <ardchoille> yrah
[03:52] <ardchoille> *yeah
[03:53] <rustalot> hey, are files made  by tcpdump analyzable by wireshark
[03:53] <atlfalcons866> how do i report a bug
[03:53] <ardchoille> !bug
[03:53] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <atlfalcons866> in kubuntu?
[03:54] <atlfalcons866> in gnome i right click and hit report bug
[03:54] <carlosV2> hello, somebody knows how to config the Fast IRDA port?
[03:55] <_2> woooops.   why didn't someone mention that removing apt would also remove the package cache ?
[03:56] <BluesKaj> err, _2 why would you remove apt ?
[03:58] <draik> _2: I have yet to find anything in Google which has been deemable to "helpful"
[03:59] <draik> Is there maybe a way to reassign the device location?
[04:00] <_2> ?    symlink ?     mknod ?
[04:01] <draik> I can't even locate the UUIS
[04:01] <draik> *UUID
[04:01] <_2> blkid
[04:01] <draik> I can't mount these drives like I can with mine
[04:02] <draik> Google isn't of much help, but then again I don't know what I'm looking for since "IDE SCSI emulator" doesn't mean anything to me at this time
[04:02] <_2> not emulator.  emulation
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !info Google Linux
[04:03] <ubotu> Package google does not exist in feisty
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !Google Linux
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google linux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <khaije1> BluesKaj: why would ubotu know about that?
[04:03] <_2> means that the kernel is using scsi devices for accessing ide devices
[04:03] <draik> http://www.google.com/linux
[04:03] <BluesKaj> !google
[04:03] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[04:03] <draik> Is that what you want, BluesKaj?
[04:04] <khaije1> hmm, i stand corrected
[04:04] <BluesKaj> no, it's asuggestion for your search, draik :)
[04:08] <draik> BluesKaj: I went through google linux and google hacker
[04:08] <draik> Both of these have always given me great tech/linux results
[04:09] <ardchoille> How do I replace the default wm in kde (kwin) with another window manager?
[04:11] <_2> .wmrc might do it...   but one  can edit /usr/bin/startkde    for a system wide change  *(prolly not advisable)*    or check in  /etc/kde?/
[04:11] <hydrogen> set KDEWM
[04:11] <hydrogen> in the environment
[04:12] <_2> yeah ?       /etc/environment ?
[04:12] <Jucato> ardchoille: [10:12]  <apt> You can change the window manager used by KDE with the $KDEWM environment variable. See http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/
[04:12] <hydrogen> well
[04:12] <hydrogen> .bashrc
[04:12] <hydrogen> !kdewm
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdewm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <_2> why would kdm be reading a users .bashrc ???
[04:13] <hydrogen> it reads whats in the environment when it starts
[04:13] <hydrogen> and because sourcing the bashrc usually occurs in the environment
[04:13] <_2> never mind,  if it is doing that,  i don't think i want to know.
[04:13] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thanks
[04:14] <hydrogen>  /any/ session needs an environment to run in
[04:15] <_2> that's what .profile used to be for
[04:16] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using knetworkmanager together with pppoeconf to get online.  somehow my nameserver gets overridden to my default dsl modem even though i've added it to the network config.  any ideas?
[04:17] <_2> !dns
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <_2> ?
[04:17] <fulat2k> doesn't seem to be working :)
[04:18] <_2> hydrogen what keeps  [ -z "$PS1" ]  && return    from forbiding kde sourcing the .bashrc ?
[04:19] <hydrogen> probably nothing
[04:19] <hydrogen> .profile is the proper place
[04:19] <hydrogen> I was thinking the check by default in .profile was -f ~/.bashrc
[04:19] <hydrogen> if its -z PS1 then my mistake
[04:19] <_2> fulat2k i have seen several talking about the  /etc/resolv.conf being over wrote.  maybe there is something on the forums
[04:20] <fulat2k> _2: cool.  will search the forums.  thx
[04:22] <sakrist>  
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !info DNS
[04:22] <ubotu> Package dns does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:22] <sakrist>      beryl
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !ru | sakrist
[04:22] <ubotu> sakrist:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:23] <StygianAgenda> Are you using a DHCP?  Or static IP?  If you're using DHCP, then your DNS settings could be being overwritten due to that.
[04:24] <StygianAgenda> DHCP queries for DNS servers, gateway, and route metrics
[04:24] <draik> What else should I research? "kubuntu mount ide cd" and "ide scsi emulator" don't really give me anything
[04:25] <Dr_willis> mount ide cd? huh?
[04:26] <BluesKaj> enterprise environments, more fancy wording for what mostly known as "a business" :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> You can easially mount .iso image files.
[04:26] <StygianAgenda> in my case, it's a campus of state government offices
[04:26] <BluesKaj> enterprise?
[04:26] <StygianAgenda> as well as 217 regional offices spread out across the state
[04:27] <StygianAgenda> ie, environments hosting more than 2000 LAN users
[04:27] <harrowed> Howdy howdy howdy everyone :D
[04:28] <harrowed> So formal :D
[04:28] <BluesKaj> hi harrowed
[04:28] <_2> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/setting-up-scsi.html.en  draik
[04:28] <harrowed> Hey ya BluesKaj :D
[04:28] <harrowed> How many more converts to the power of Gutsy have we today? :D
[04:29] <StygianAgenda> :)
[04:29] <draik> _2: Thank you. What was your search text?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> gonna wait harrowed
[04:29] <_2> first ping at   google.com/linux  "scsi emulation"     your search skills are worse than mine.  you should disconnect from the inet before you hurt someone.
[04:29] <harrowed> BluesKaj: For what? It's stable :D *taps his machine lightly as if they were a stack of cards*
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> same here.  I'm using Fiesty on 2 servers in my lab at home, 1 server in my office at work, and 1 laptop at work that I have setup for security testing
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> I think I'll be waiting a bit
[04:30] <BluesKaj> it's late here ,10:30 PM  almost sacktime
[04:30] <StygianAgenda> :)
[04:31] <harrowed> My poor old PIII800 made the transition nicely :D
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> tho... whats new in Gutsy, as compared to Fiesty?
[04:31] <_2> execpt this time.  of course.
[04:31] <harrowed> Newer X.org XServer :)
[04:31] <ardchoille> StygianAgenda: Try askng in #ubuntu+1
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> ah, gotcha
[04:31] <Biovore> gnome comes with compiz enabled by default in gusty
[04:31] <StygianAgenda> thanks
[04:32] <BluesKaj> harrowed, what graphics card ?
[04:32] <StygianAgenda> wow
[04:32] <harrowed> BluesKaj: LOL TNT2 :D
[04:32] <NickPresta> harrowed, sounds powerful ;)
[04:33] <harrowed> NickPresta: Oh it is.. 32 megs.. 512 megs ram :D It'd only take a few hours to compile a kernel from scratch :D
[04:33] <ardchoille> When I click a url in konversation it downloads a copy of the webpage and opens it with kate. How do I get it to open the url in konq on the web instead of downloading the web page?
[04:33] <harrowed> ardchoille: Change the MIME type back to Konq
[04:34] <harrowed> OR just assign all HTTP headers to Konq if you don't know how to modify the MIME types.
[04:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, i have an elcheapo ATI onboard, and i have it working with apps like google earth, and i don't feel like fighting with driver probs
[04:34] <ardchoille> harrowed: .html is set to konq already
[04:34] <_2> BluesKaj oooh yuch,  ati and on-board in one breath....
[04:35] <_2> ;/
[04:35] <harrowed> ardchoille: Odviously Kate's reassigned it somehow.. :( K-Menu, System Settings, Default Applications, Web Browser -> konquerer
[04:35] <BluesKaj> anyway it's bedtime for oldguys ... take care all, and goodnight
[04:35] <harrowed> Night BluesKaj! :)
[04:36] <NickPresta> goodnight BluesKaj
[04:36] <harrowed> Don't fear the gibon!
[04:38] <ardchoille> harrowed: I took kate out of the list but the file is still downloaded to /var/tmp and opened in konq from there.
[04:38] <harrowed> ardchoille: Is it using Konq to download with too?
[04:39] <ardchoille> I can't tell
[04:40] <harrowed> ardchoille: Ouch.. Try setting specificly as /usr/bin/konqueror
[04:40] <rance> I've got a new kubuntu 7.04 install, and man is it improved since my last test of kubuntu, congrats all around
[04:40] <harrowed> rance:  Which part would you say has improved the most?
[04:42] <harrowed> Anyone found a method of packet prioritisation for (k)Ubuntu?
[04:42] <Jucato> !pinning
[04:42] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[04:42] <rance> well, to start with, the default theme is much more unifom and consistent, hardware recognition is better, and I really line the new version of Adept, very slick
[04:42] <ardchoille> harrowed: Still downloading it to /var/tmp and opeining it from there. Would konversation have something to do with this?
[04:44] <harrowed> ardchoille: konversation has nothign to do with HTTP MIME types at all
[04:45] <harrowed> Or you opening a link FROM here?
[04:45] <rance> I did have a question about vmware, I installed that from source no problem, but after the first reboot vmware didnt work anymore, I checked and vmwares kernel modules were not present, and when I tried to install them by hand they were not able to be found, so I had to rerun the vmware install script
[04:45] <harrowed> Try pasting URL into Konq?
[04:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: have you changed Konvi's "use custom web browser" option?
[04:47] <ardchoille> Jucato: I do't think so, where is that option?
[04:47] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General
[04:49] <ardchoille> Jucato: It was unchecked. But I went ahead and checked it and entered "konqueror --profile webbrowsing" into the textbox and it works now.
[04:49] <Jucato> ok. now try opening links from other apps to make sure it's not a global KDE/user setting
[04:49] <harrowed> Jucato: to the rescue! :D
[04:49] <Jucato> lol
[04:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Links from other apps?
[04:50] <Jucato> I mean click on links in other apps like kmail, akregator, kopete, etc
[04:50] <Jucato> and see if it opens kate or konq
[04:51] <ardchoille> Jucato: Seems to be ok on those apps too
[04:51] <ardchoille> Thanks for the info, it works now
[04:51] <Jucato> hm... weird..
[04:51] <alex_> Anyone know how to get widescreen as an option for resolution on an Intel integrated graphics chip?
[04:52] <harrowed> alex_: dpks-reconfigure xserver-xorg and durring the process select the widescreen resolutions
[04:52] <harrowed> err dpkg-reconfigure I mean
[04:53] <alex_> harrowed: Should I select whatever defaults it gives me for the other options?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> alex_,  i belive theres also a intel service that needs to get ran/tweaked. or so ive heard. is it a intel915 chipset?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> !find intel
[04:53] <ubotu> Found: intel2gas, rng-tools, xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:53] <alex_> harrowed: Also, I looked in xorg.conf.  It showed widescreen resultions there already
[04:54] <alex_> Dr_willis: Nope.  945GM
[04:54] <harrowed> alex_: Ouch... Then System-Preferences should list those widescreen resolutions.. Unless your Monitor's not detected properly?
[04:54] <Jucato> s/System Preferences/System Settings/
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Thanks
[04:55] <Jucato> we ain't on Mac :P
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Mine looks like mac :P
[04:55] <Jucato> hahah
[04:55] <Jucato> did you change the app name too? :P
[04:55] <alex_> harrowed: A possiblilty.  Just says generic monitor.  Should I say it's widescreen
[04:55] <harrowed> Jucato: Not that Anal
[04:55] <Jucato> hahah
[04:56] <harrowed> alex_: Even generic monitor's can display outside their preset.  There is a few workarounds for display resolution defaults. Easier to just reconfigure the xorg.conf
[04:57] <harrowed> alex_: Just backup the file first.
[04:57] <guhhh> ive mounted my windows partition(ntfs) but i can read/execute the files... i need ntfs-3g?
[04:58] <ardchoille> The first link in the topic (FAQ) seems to drop me into a blank page. Is anyone esle seeing that?
[04:58] <alex_> harrowed: Alright then.  Wish me luck!
[04:58] <harrowed> guhhh: Yup yup.. Autmatrix (some people wont like using it) has a package that allows mounting on boot with read/write
[04:58] <harrowed> alex_: :D Good luck!
[04:59] <ardchoille> !automatix
[04:59] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:59] <Jucato> ardchoille: nope. it redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[04:59] <abominius> yep
[04:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: Didn't redirect me, I guess my problem wasn't solved (konv+konq)
[04:59] <Jucato> hm.. maybe not related
[05:00] <dsmith_> Question: I have a 2nd partition that refuses to auto mount, the partition in question is /sda4. Here is my fstab line: /dev/sda4 /media/sda4 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[05:00] <Jucato> ardchoille: do you get redirected when you go to other sites that redirect somewhere else?
[05:00] <Jucato> you might have turned the option off
[05:00] <dsmith_> btw: it does mount but I must do it manually
[05:00] <kirk> Kubuntu died on me
[05:00] <ardchoille> Jucato: Just thought of that and enabled redirects in konq, works now. Forgive me, I have used firefox for years and only konq for a few weeks. Still learning.
[05:01] <Jucato> ardchoille: you are forgiven. now recite the act of contrition
[05:01] <Jucato> hehe sorry just coudn't resist
[05:01] <kirk> After I rebooted, I'm getting nothing put a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: hehe
[05:01] <kirk> but*
[05:01] <dsmith_> kirk: That what you get for having a friend such as Billy Gates
[05:02] <kirk> Actually Kubuntu is the only OS installed on that computer
[05:02] <dsmith_> kirk: so what happened? Make any changes?
[05:02] <kirk> Yes I was fiddling with Beryl
[05:03] <dsmith_> dont bot?
[05:03] <dsmith_> refuses to boot?
[05:03] <dsmith_> beryl is unstable
[05:03] <kirk> After the grub menu it goes to a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:04] <dsmith_> beryl should'nt have donw that
[05:04] <dsmith_> anyone care to comment on my question?
[05:04] <kirk> Might not have.. I'm not sure what happened..
[05:04] <dsmith_> I have had kubuntu hose on me one time
[05:04] <_2> kirk what you are describing sounds like an X error.   try pressing   alt+ctrl+f2 that that flashing cursor
[05:05] <kirk> Ok yes
[05:05] <kirk> it came up and says...
[05:05] <dsmith_> I was going to recommend that we restore a backed up ver. of xorg.conf
[05:05] <kirk> Ubuntu 7.04 tty2
[05:05] <kirk> kubuntu login:
[05:05] <_2> kirk if that gets you to a console login prompt   login and   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:06] <dsmith_> thats the cmd that should fix it
[05:06] <dsmith_> I keep forgetting it
[05:06] <StygianAgenda> yeah, sounds like incompatible X drivers.  I had the same thing happen with a mismatched driver applied to an Nvidia Geforce 4 onboard chip.
[05:06] <harrowed> kirk: X Died on you
[05:07] <dsmith_> Bad X... Bad
[05:07] <draik> _2: I don't have modconf on the other computer
[05:07] <_2> that'll let you fix X to a usable state then you can just    startx    to test it.
[05:07] <harrowed> kirk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, killall -HUP kdm
[05:08] <_2> draik sorry i'm busy,   right now.   maybe someone else can fill in for me.
[05:08] <kirk> it says packake xserver-xorg is not installed
[05:08] <kirk> package*
[05:08] <draik> Kubuntu feisty doesn't have modconf. How do I get that?
[05:09] <harrowed> kirk: Majorly weird! Ty xserver-xorg
[05:09] <harrowed> ooops
[05:10] <kirk> there it goes :)
[05:11] <draik> _2: Nevermind. It's a required package.
[05:14] <kirk> ok i reconfigured and rebooted, same thing happen
[05:19] <Daskreech> .j Ps3dev
[05:28] <Dr_willis> hit it  with a hammer. :)
[05:29] <jimmacdonald> OK, here's an interesting situation. I have Kubuntu on my laptop and Ubuntu on my Desktop. How do I do a remote desktop between them?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  depends on what you want to do exactly
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  they both sitting next to each other? you can see both monitors?
[05:29] <jimmacdonald> yes
[05:29] <Dr_willis> if so try 'syngery'
[05:29] <Dr_willis> it lets you mouse over to the side, and the pointer apears on the other pc. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> I think i spelt that right.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !find syngery
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !find syngery
[05:30] <ubotu> Package/file syngery does not exist in feisty
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !find synegry
[05:30] <ubotu> Package/file synegry does not exist in feisty
[05:30] <jimmacdonald> !fine synergey
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fine synergey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <Jucato> !info synergy gutsy
[05:31] <ubotu> synergy: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 613 kB, installed size 1536 kB
[05:32] <kirk> Any ideas?
[05:32] <kirk> I reconfigured xserver
[05:32] <kirk> Still getting a blank screen
[05:32] <Dr_willis> $ apt-cache search syn | grep  mouse
[05:32] <Dr_willis> synergy - Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network
[05:33] <Jucato> only in gutsy it seems
[05:33] <kirk> After the grub menu it goes to a black screen with a flashing underscore
[05:34] <serishema|ibook> possibly you need kernel parameters to boot?
[05:34] <kirk> I dont know...
[05:34] <kirk> I reconfigured the xserver-xorg already
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> i'm unfortunately a linux newbie
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> just got kubuntu running on my G4 ibook
[05:35] <Daskreech> Welcome to Kubuntu :)
[05:35] <serishema|ibook> =)\
[05:37] <kirk> Its been great until this crash..
[05:37] <harrowed> BRB
[05:39] <Zublax> hello :)
[05:42] <serishema> hi Zublax
[05:44] <Daskreech> !hi
[05:44] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:44] <Jucato> pft
[05:45] <Zublax> hi.. anybody have a acer computer with kubuntu?
[05:46] <Daskreech> Maybe soon
[05:46] <Zublax> oh.. i have a trouble with the wireless  card here
[05:46] <serishema> acer aspire 3620
[05:46] <Daskreech> !wifi | Zublax
[05:46] <ubotu> Zublax: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:46] <serishema> Zublax: for me with kubuntu 6.10LTS all i had to do is download the madwifi drivers
[05:46] <serishema> then install KNetworkManager and i was good to go
[05:47] <serishema> 6.10 is pretty old now tho
[05:47] <Zublax> ah.. i tried all things and ask some exspert.. and try knetwork
[05:48] <Zublax> have a travelmate 2350 here. have tried all that the exspert have say to me but nothing..im angry at this computer now
[05:49] <Daskreech> Zublax: Look at the URL above and try WIfi troubleshooting
[05:49] <Zublax> tnx :)
[05:50] <Zublax> if i have a trouble i will ask you and the other :)
[05:50] <Daskreech> sure
[06:00] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis: how familiar are you with that software?
[06:01] <draik> What is the file system for a DVD+R?
[06:02] <poningru> iso9886 or something like that
[06:02] <Dr_willis> jimmacdonald,  syngery? I read the man pages. and figured it out. :)
[06:02] <Daskreech> UDF ?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> ya make a syngery config file for each machine. i recall.
[06:02] <draik> I keep getting issues trying to mount the DVD as such; UDF and iso9660
[06:03] <navets__> how do i change kontact so that the date is in AM and PM not military time
[06:04] <Dr_willis> bbl
[06:05] <navets__> anyone?
[06:05] <parsek_77> I followed the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion to instal  compizfusion but it gives dependency error, any idea?
[06:06] <Daskreech> navets__: most likely in the settins somewhere
[06:06] <navets__> Daskreech: ive been looking but cant find the option
[06:06] <navets__> found it
[06:06] <navets__> haha
[06:06] <navets__> thx
[06:06] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:12] <jerware> hi
[06:12] <jerware> i would like to play a dvd with kplayer
[06:13] <jerware> whats the syntax to play a dvd if my drive according to dmesg is hdc ?/
[06:22] <jimmacdonald> Dr_Willis I got it running.
[06:24] <Daskreech> Jucato: ha ha
[06:24] <Daskreech> You got dugg
[06:25] <kirk> Someone help...
[06:26] <kirk> When I turn the computer on, after the grub menu it goes to a blank screen with a flashing underscore
[06:26] <kirk> Kubuntu 7.04
[06:27] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis. this is quite possibly the coolest tool I have seen in a while.
[06:28] <kirk> I can press alt+ctrl+f2 and login to command line
[06:28] <Daskreech> kirk: can You type startx ?
[06:29] <kirk> ok it said..
[06:29] <kirk> xauth: creating new autority file
[06:29] <kirk> then errors
[06:29] <Daskreech> that would be your problem
[06:31] <kirk> hello
[06:31] <kirk>  - /etc/X11/X is not executable
[06:31] <kirk> xinit: Connection refused
[06:31] <Daskreech> Ouch
[06:31] <kirk> unable to connect to xserver
[06:31] <Daskreech> what did you do to X?
[06:32] <kirk> i tried to reconfigure
[06:32] <kirk> but that was after i had rebooted and it wouldnt start
[06:32] <Daskreech> So before you rebooted what did you do?
[06:34] <kirk> i was fiddling with beryl
[06:35] <kirk> and trying to install 3ddesktop
[06:35] <jimmacdonald> !ssh
[06:35] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[06:35] <cristiano> remaster kubuntu
[06:36] <kirk> ?
[06:38] <Jucato> Daskreech: yeah I did.. now I'm nervous...
[06:38] <guhhh> is it stupid to do a manual chroot and also use mod_security to secure apache 2?
[06:39] <ubuntu_> quien habla  espaol
[06:39] <NickPresta> !es | ubuntu_
[06:39] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:39] <kirk> !hel
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <kirk> !help
[06:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:39] <kirk> !xserver
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <kirk> !xserver-xorg
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <ubuntu_> gracias
[06:40] <ubuntu_> hombre
[06:40] <kirk> When I turn the computer on, after the grub menu, it goes to a blank screen with a flashing underscore
[06:43] <kirk> I am in dire need of help...
[06:46] <kirk> Anyone there????
[06:46] <fignew> kirk
[06:46] <kirk> Hi
[06:46] <fignew> how long does it take to get to that screen? (after grub(
[06:46] <fignew> )*
[06:47] <kirk> It loads the kubuntu screen with blue loading bar
[06:47] <kirk> then goes to this screen
[06:48] <Jucato> ah... X problems... terrific...
[06:48] <kirk> What is "X" ?
[06:48] <NickPresta> !X | kirk
[06:48] <ubotu> kirk: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:49] <Jucato> kirk: it's basically the part of the system that allows you to have anything graphical
[06:49] <kirk> Gotcha, thanks.
[06:49] <Jucato> kirk: are you on another computer right now, so that you can do simultaneous stuff?
[06:49] <Daskreech> Jucato: With Beryl AND 3ddesktop
[06:49] <Jucato> Daskreech: huh? wah?
[06:50] <Daskreech> Jucato: Xproblems
[06:50] <Daskreech> caused by Beryl AND 3ddesktop
[06:50] <kirk> Yes
[06:50] <Jucato> ah
[06:50] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:50] <Jucato> kirk: when you get to that flashing cursor, press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[06:51] <kirk> Ok
[06:51] <Jucato> now it will ask you to login, except through the command line. you won't see what you're typing when you type in your password
[06:52] <kirk> I'm logged in
[06:52] <kirk> Also, above that it says...
[06:52] <kirk> kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot
[06:53] <Jucato> ok ignore that for a while
[06:53] <Jucato> enter this command first: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:53] <jimmacdonald> anyone having problems with Wine not wanting to shut down?
[06:53] <Jucato> it will basically stop the X server. press Ctrl+Alt+F1 again
[06:54] <kirk> Im with ya
[06:54] <Daskreech> or the KDE HCI WG (I love these acronyms!)
[06:54] <Jucato> heh
[06:55] <Jucato> kirk: ok type the command "startx" it should try to start X
[06:55] <Jucato> (duh! :P)
[06:55] <serishema> my ibook only has one mouse button on the trackpad
[06:55] <kirk> lol
[06:55] <kirk> Ok the output was....
[06:55] <serishema> so i'm wondering how to make linux let me setup up the apple key or something to make the button into a right click\
[06:55] <garfield> why do konp s**** so much? :/
[06:56] <Jucato> kirk: take note of the lines with EE (stands for Error) or Error
[06:56] <Jucato> yes... Apple had this obsession with one button things :)
[06:56] <Jucato> unfortunately, I don't have one to know how to solve that
[06:56] <kirk> xauth: creating new authority file /home/admin/.serverauth.5323
[06:56] <serishema> *nod*.
[06:56] <garfield> after i upgrade do i have to restart the pcN
[06:57] <serishema> I'll ask my friend who ran linux on an ibook for quite a while
[06:57] <Jucato> garfield: only if it installed a new kernel (linux-image-blah blah)
[06:57] <kirk> thebn    /etc/X11/X is not executable
[06:57] <garfield> yes new kernel
[06:57] <Jucato> garfield: then yes
[06:57] <kirk> xinit: connection refused
[06:57] <garfield> i'll reboot 2morow
[06:58] <kirk> unable to connect to x server
[06:58] <kirk> xinit: no such process. server error
[06:58] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. very strange...
[06:58] <kirk> errno 111 and errno 3
[06:58] <Jucato> is that errno 111?
[06:59] <kirk> Yes
[06:59] <Jucato> kirk: can you remember what you first did before this problem started (hour ago)
[07:01] (Daskreech/#kubuntu) !vista
[07:01] (ubotu/#kubuntu) vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[07:01] (kirk/#kubuntu) lol^
[07:01] (vista_killer/#kubuntu) Jucato: why not 3?
[07:01] (Jucato/#kubuntu) kirk: hm.. might be the cause. did you have to install nvidia or ati drivers?
[07:02] (kirk/#kubuntu) ati
[07:02] (Jucato/#kubuntu) vista_killer: because that's your *fourth*
[07:02] <vista_killer> lol
[07:02] <Jucato> and you keep on changing between 3 anyway
[07:02] <vista_killer> Jucato: i just reinstall kubuntu so the rest dont count
[07:03] <Jucato> oh but ops have long memories... so they do count
[07:03] <vista_killer> lol
[07:03] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. ok... hold on a sec
[07:04] <Jucato> we have ways vista_killer... we have ways
[07:04] <vista_killer> no more garfield
[07:04] <vista_killer> aaah xp just got bom up with spywares
[07:04] <Jucato> kirk: go to /etc/X11/ "cd /etc/X11"
[07:05] <kirk> Im there
[07:05] <vista_killer> wow to get to window ch?
[07:05] <Jucato> kirk: ls -l X
[07:05] <vista_killer> i keep forgetting and it dont save it
[07:05] <Jucato> !windows | vista_killer
[07:05] <ubotu> vista_killer: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:06] <vista_killer> oh it got an s i keep forgetting the s
[07:07] <newbi> !bot snack
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <newbi> good bot
[07:07] <newbi> :)
[07:07] <Daskreech> blessed Beef!
[07:07] <kirk> k..
[07:07] <newbi> !botsnack
[07:07] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[07:07] <kirk> Output is
[07:08] <Jucato> ew
[07:08] <juan>  which is more reliable reiserfs or jfs, (for a system that will probably crash and run out of battery so have lots of bad shutdowns)?
[07:08] <kirk> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13   X --> /user/bin/Xorg
[07:08] <Daskreech> Kubuntu will alwayse be the smaller sibling of Ubuntu?
[07:09] <ardchoille> kirk: I hope that isn't the real path
[07:09] <Jucato> ardchoille: he's just typing it manually
[07:09] <ardchoille> Oh, it's a link
[07:09] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[07:09] <Jucato> it's supposed to be /usr but typing it manually, give him a break :P
[07:09] <juan> Jucato: its under mkfs so i asumed id ba able to use it
[07:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: Well, it kinda looked like c&p and given his xorg prob...
[07:10] <newbi> i cant seem to find the right driver for my sound card in my motherboard.can someone help?
[07:10] <Daskreech> !middle click
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about middle click - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <Daskreech> damn
[07:10] <ardchoille> Daskreech: Can the bot handle factoids with spaces in them?
[07:10] <newbi> Daskreech: midle???
[07:11] <Daskreech> !adept crash fix
[07:11] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:11] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. ok... can you do "ls" in there and  see if you have any backup copies of xorg.conf ?
[07:11] <Daskreech> No it can't
[07:11] <Daskreech> :)
[07:11] <ardchoille> lol
[07:12] <newbi> ???
[07:13] <Jucato> s/nervously/anxiously/
[07:13] <Daskreech> Jucato: You can drag and drop text?
[07:13] <kirk> theres xorg.conf.1 (and conf.2) xorg.conf.20070917 and some from 20070923 and xorg.conf_backup
[07:14] <kirk> i dont think so, he's in the process of saving my life right now
[07:14] <Jucato> newbi: I am definitely (and fortunately) not like you
[07:14] <Jucato> I only have 1 nick in 2 variations
[07:14] <Jucato> (1 has no tail, one has)
[07:14] <kirk> lol @ fortunately
[07:15] <Daskreech> !info fortune
[07:15] <moronatron> ?
[07:15] <ubotu> Package fortune does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:15] <Jucato> kirk: ok. can you remember the last, most recent, day that your system worked? was it Sept 23 or 17?
[07:15] <kirk> it was working earlier today
[07:15] <kirk> a few hours ago even
[07:16] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mon
[07:16] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:16] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mod
[07:16] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mod does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:16] <Jucato> kirk: hmm ok... let's try this: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup_Jucato
[07:17] <Daskreech> !info fortunes-mod gutsy
[07:17] <ubotu> Package fortunes-mod does not exist in gutsy
[07:17] <Jucato> kirk: just so that you know ho asked you to make that backup :P
[07:17] <Daskreech> !info fortune-mod gutsy
[07:17] <ubotu> fortune-mod: provides fortune cookies on demand. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.99.1-3ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 46 kB, installed size 144 kB
[07:17] <kirk> lol alright
[07:17] <Daskreech> Jucato: How hard can it be to find fortune!!
[07:17] <Jucato> that will basically rename your xorg.conf file
[07:17] <Jucato> Daskreech: ever tried !find fortune
[07:18] <Daskreech> There are too many things that rely on fortune for that to be useful
[07:18] <Daskreech> That's a pretty punny statement :)
[07:18] <Jucato> kirk: after that: sudo cp xorg.conf.20070923 xorg.conf
[07:19] <Jucato> kirk: done?
[07:20] <kirk> yes
[07:20] <Jucato> ok try "startx" again
[07:20] <kirk> xinit: Server error
[07:21] <Jucato> still no worky?
[07:21] <Jucato> dang!
[07:21] <kirk> -    /etc/X11/X is not executable
[07:21] <Daskreech> serishema: There seems to be a way to get that to work
[07:22] <kirk> Lol I'm lost. I've just switched to kubuntu from windows recently
[07:22] <serishema> Daskreech: ooh, interesting.
[07:22] <serishema> Daskreech: that'd be really useful.
[07:22] <Jucato> kirk: I'm lost too
[07:22] <kirk> I'll try to copy one from the 17th
[07:22] <Daskreech> serishema: I see an article on doing it from two years ago so it's possible I'm looking to see if there is anything newer
[07:23] <serishema> even the two year old article would be useful.
[07:23] <Daskreech> Jucato: I wasn't listening what are his errors
[07:23] <Daskreech> assuming that kirk is a he :0
[07:23] <Daskreech> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/007may05/features/mac-mini/
[07:24] <kirk> Yes I'm a he
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. btw, how about: ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: only copy the rwx thingy
[07:29] <serishema> Daskreech: this looks like the kind of thing i want.
[07:29] <kirk> - /usr/bin/Xorg no such file or directory
[07:29] <Jucato> oh no wonder
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: err
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg
[07:29] <Jucato> you are on Feisty right?
[07:29] <kirk> Yes
[07:29] <kirk> - /usr/bin/Xorg no such file or directory
[07:29] <Jucato> ok hold for a while
[07:29] <kirk> btw: ty very much for helping
[07:29] <harrowed> kirk: Still got problems? Ouch
[07:29] <Jucato> kirk: well apparently you have removed something terribly important... /usr/bin/Xorg should be there
[07:30] <Jucato> kirk: wait, is the "-" part of the error message of ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg ?
[07:30] <Jucato> kirk: how about plain "ls /usr/bin/Xorg"
[07:30] <kirk> Same error msg for both
[07:30] <harrowed> Jucato: He ls -la'd the /etc/X11/x and it's a link to /usr/bin/Xorg which isn't found.
[07:31] <Jucato> harrowed: I know. I just need to double check
[07:31] <Jucato> as he's typing commands manually, I just want to be very very sure
[07:31] <kirk> In the dark, with no letters on this keyboard :p
[07:31] <Daskreech> Whoot!
[07:31] <kirk> Walking from computer to computer
[07:31] <Daskreech> Optimus
[07:32] <Daskreech> kirk: You can log into Irc from that' computer if you like
[07:32] <harrowed> kirk: LOL remote desktop it!
[07:32] <serishema> Daskreech: sweet, now i just have to change the keycodes to my prefered keycode
[07:32] <Daskreech> But I'll show you that' when Jucato is done
[07:32] <Jucato> hm...
[07:33] <Jucato> is it  possible that he has uninstalled X?
[07:33] <ardchoille> Jucato: What if he reinstalled xserver-xorg-core ?
[07:33] <Jucato> kirk: is this a new install of Kubuntu?
[07:33] <kirk> Kinda, I just switched about a week ago.
[07:33] <Jucato> hm.. ok...
[07:34] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[07:35] <kirk> already newest version installed
[07:35] <Jucato> ok really strange...
[07:35] <Jucato> hm.. hold on again
[07:36] <Daskreech> kirk: what are the errors in your log?
[07:36] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-corre
[07:36] <Jucato> kirk: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[07:36] <kirk> What log?
[07:36] <Jucato> sorry, that second one ^^^
[07:36] <Jucato> Daskreech: /etc/X11/X is not executable
[07:36] <Daskreech> What?
[07:36] <Jucato> Daskreech: /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg, which doesn't exist on his system
[07:37] <Jucato> Error: brain not found
[07:37] <ardchoille> lol
[07:37] <Jucato> should have been more considerate: package brain not found
[07:37] <Daskreech> kirk: Do you have a /usr/bin/X ?
[07:38] <Biovore> might explain my problem... :-/.
[07:38] <Jucato> grr.. shouldn't have restarted the lappy
[07:38] <kirk> Jucato: Completed
[07:39] <Jucato> try "startx" again
[07:39] <kirk> I love you
[07:39] <kirk> :)
[07:39] <Jucato> yay!
[07:39] <Jucato> dang it was that simple!?!?!?!
[07:40] <kirk> Whew whew whew whew
[07:40] <Jucato> kirk: ok logout from KDE, (otherwise you won't have options to restart/shutdown from KDE)
[07:40] <Jucato> then in the command line again, type: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:40] <kirk> logout from KDE?
[07:40] <Jucato> just logout :)
[07:40] <Jucato> K Menu -> Logout
[07:40] <kirk> lol ok.
[07:41] <kirk> its slow booting right now..
[07:41] <Jucato> slow booting?
[07:42] <kirk> Its did the little icon'd loading screen for devices, loading desktop, etc, now is stopped at a blueish screen
[07:43] <Jucato> hm...
[07:43] <kirk> With a mouse
[07:43] <kirk> Cursor
[07:43] <kirk> Not froze.. I can move it
[07:43] <Jucato> maybe you need to wait? or did you set it  up to load Beryl at startup?
[07:43] <guhhh> does anyone knows a good translator as babylon?
[07:43] <ardchoille> Jucato: If he reinstalled xorg, wouldn't that replace xorg.conf, thereby eliminating his ati drivers?
[07:44] <Jucato> ardchoille: you the one who guided him for ati?
[07:44] <kirk> No I didnt mess with beryl much, It froze up shortly after I first opened Beryl
[07:44] <ardchoille> Jucato: No
[07:44] <Jucato> kirk: ok something drastic here.. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace would restart all of X and KDE
[07:45] <kirk> Connection to x server lost
[07:45] <kirk> startx again?
[07:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: most likely it won't overwrite xorg.conf
[07:45] <ardchoille> ok
[07:45] <Jucato> kirk: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:46] <kirk> =)
[07:46] <kirk> My desktop is back!
[07:47] <kirk> You rock Jucato. How the hell do you know all this?
[07:47] <Jucato> ok... now you can probably return that xorg.conf_backup_Jucato_is_really_Great file as your default xorg.conf
[07:47] <Jucato> if you want to dare it :P
[07:47] <Daskreech> guhhh: Babylon?
[07:47] <Jucato> kirk: hm.. experience?
[07:47] <kirk> How long have you had kubuntu?
[07:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: btw, xorg.conf isn't installed by xserver-xorg-core
[07:48] <Jucato> kirk: more than a year and a half
[07:48] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ok, I thought it was.
[07:48] <Jucato> so did I. had to double check
[07:48] <kirk> How about on Linux?
[07:48] <Jucato> kirk: Kubuntu is my first entry into Linux
[07:49] <kirk> Mine also, about a week ago.
[07:49] <ardchoille> Jucato: That makes three people I have seen have this exact same problem. We need to try and figure what's causing it.
[07:49] <Jucato> maybe
[07:49] <guhhh> Daskreech: yes, babylon translator
[07:49] <osh_> Who to talk to if I want an updated http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/qtstalker ?
[07:49] <kirk> I'm off here, I'll return on my ressurrected kubuntu
[07:49] <Jucato> but if they're all experiencing it  after playing around with ATI + Beryl... it might be something in there
[07:49] <Daskreech> babelfish?
[07:50] <Daskreech> osh_: Motu
[07:50] <Jucato> !info kbabel
[07:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah
[07:50] <ubotu> kbabel: PO-file editing suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1664 kB, installed size 5380 kB
[07:50] <osh_> !motu | osh_
[07:50] <Jucato> osh_: although it most probably will have to wait until the next release
[07:51] <kirk> That was painful
[07:51] <Daskreech> I'm pretty sure it will have to wait for the release after that
[07:51] <kirk> I've developed a phobia of WIndows now
[07:51] <osh_> Jucato: Next meaning "gutsy gibbon" or "horny heron"?
[07:51] <Daskreech> kirk: You are healthy!
[07:51] <Jucato> osh_: heron most probably
[07:51] <Jucato> but that depends
[07:51] <osh_> Jucato: Ah. Ok.
[07:52] <osh_> Depends on what? If I make an updated package, will it be included?
[07:53] <osh_> What I mean  is, will things speed up if I make the package as compared to if I just ask them to do it?
[07:53] <Daskreech> osh_: You could have it backported from Heron to Gutsy
[07:53] <Jucato> osh_: depends on what their plans are for Heron, since it will be an LTS
[07:53] <osh_> Or will updated version never find their way back into "older" releases.
[07:53] <osh_> Daskreech: Oh. I think you answered my question.
[07:54] <Daskreech> osh_: cool. I wonder if they have one for the Foreign exchange market
[07:54] <newbi> !flash
[07:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:55] <osh_> Daskreech: I use it for the foreign marked. I just have to suffix my stocks with .st.
[07:55] <Daskreech> osh_: But for stocks?
[07:56] <ardchoille> How would I get a list of apps that are in backports only?
[07:56] <osh_> Daskreech: All markets that you can find on yahoo-finance. Yeah. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PAR-SEK.ST
[07:56] <Daskreech> osh_: Yeah I play different markets
[07:57] <osh_> Daskreech: I just add PAR-SEK.ST as a stock and that's a norwegian stock on the swedish market. =)
[07:57] <Daskreech> :)
[07:57] <ardchoille> Jucato: That's it, thanks
[07:57] <osh_> Daskreech: The program itself does need some love though. It's not quite KDE-standard. It works though.
[07:57] <kirk> I should probably get rid of Beryl huh
[07:58] <kirk> !beryl
[07:58] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <osh_> Daskreech: Like ctrl-q doesn't do what you expect. It fetches quotes instead.
[07:58] <Daskreech> osh_: That's cause it's a qt app I would guess
[07:58] <Daskreech> not a KDE one
[07:58] <Daskreech> The two are not the same :)
[07:58] <osh_> Daskreech: Might be.
[07:59] <ardchoille> osh_:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[08:02] <davubuntu> Hello... I have ubuntu feisty not kubuntu... I would like to use kontact and have installed it. I have become aware of this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140041 but as I don't have KDE installed I can't use the file menus to remove the extra resource. Can someone tell me how to do this using the terminal?
[08:03] <Daskreech> !packaging
[08:03] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[08:03] <osh_> ardchoille: Brilliant. Thanks.
[08:03] <Daskreech> osh_: ^^^
[08:05] <osh_> Daskreech: Thanks. I'll look into it.
[08:05] <ardchoille> osh_: You're welcome. Though, if you're going to package for repos, you might want to look a bit deeper into it.. there are several ways of packaging.
[08:08] <osh_> ardchoille: I used to do rpm-packaging professionally before. Hopefully .debs aren't that much different...
[08:09] <ardchoille> osh_: I did rpm's too, and I have found that .deb's can be more involved.
[08:09] <osh_> ardchoille: I'll see if I can manage to build something for ubuntu too.
[08:09] <davubuntu>  Hello... I have ubuntu feisty not kubuntu... I would like to use kontact and have installed it. I have become aware of this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140041 but as I don't have KDE installed I can't use the file menus to remove the extra resource. Can someone tell me how to do this using the terminal?
[08:09] <osh_> ardchoille: Yeah? What's the biggest diff?
[08:09] <ardchoille> osh_: rules
[08:10] <Jucato> Debian rules to be exact
[08:10] <ardchoille> yeah, that
[08:11] <Jucato> davubuntu: hold on a sec while I look for a way to workaround that
[08:11] <davubuntu> Jucato: thanks
[08:11] <osh_> I'll be sure to read a lot about debian rules then. =)
[08:11] <Jucato> davubuntu: Alt+F2, "kcmshell kresources"
[08:12] <Jucato> davubuntu: actually you can just do it in Kontact as well
[08:12] <davubuntu>  Jucato: there is only one resource in there...?!?!
[08:12] <Jucato> davubuntu: make sure you are looking at the Calendar resources
[08:13] <davubuntu> Jucato: just figured that out when you said it
[08:13] <Jucato> :P
[08:13] <osh_> Heh. It does seem like .rpms are simpler to make...
[08:13] <Jucato> osh_: yes. and simpler to break I heard :P
[08:13] <Jucato> the Debian packaging system makes excellent packages... the trade off is the effort you have to put into them
[08:14] <davubuntu> Jucato: cheers mate. It's people like you who make this whole community wonderful.
[08:14] <Jucato> hahah there are lots more better than me :)
[08:14] <Jucato> you're very much welcome :)
[08:14] <davubuntu> Jucato: well you helped me the other day. you helped me today and you tried to help me on your blog... so thanks!
[08:15] <osh_> Jucato: Yeah. I keep hearing that too, but the only time I've seen it is when people have been "fcking stupid"(tm). Like forcing in a package from a different distribution and such. Still, I might just have been lucky. Who knows.
[08:15] <Jucato> davubuntu: oh so that was you? hahah :)
[08:15] <osh_> But that's not the focus here. Debian packages are. =)
[08:16] <Jucato> davubuntu: btw, you can swap the tabs in kate too
[08:16] <Jucato> right-click on the tab name. .. but the filesystem and document sidebars really don't look very useful at the bottom/top
[08:17] <davubuntu> Jucato: yep. I've got GNOME back for now. And I'm, at this moment installing KDE. I managed to fix a bunch of problems that were machine problems and I'm looking forward to getting back to KDE. Anyway I gotta go... it's late where I am. Cheers again.
[08:17] <davubuntu> Jucato: Oh thanks for that.
[08:17] <Jucato> and see the last comment in the blog. you can hide *all* sidebars
[08:18] <davubuntu> Jucato:Great. I will visit your site again tomorrow. Cheers
[08:23] <Daskreech> Dang commit digest!
[08:25] <Daskreech> Wireshark?
[08:25] <Daskreech> !info wireshark
[08:25] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-6 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1576 kB
[08:25] <Daskreech> That's what I thought
[08:26] <Daskreech> Jucato: What are you scared of?
[08:26] <Jucato> bandwidth
[08:27] <Daskreech> Well You are on the front page already
[08:27] <Daskreech> I think if it hasn't gone down yet you should be ok
[08:28] <Jucato> yeah I'm past the danger zone
[08:28] <Daskreech> What you shoudl worry about is stumbleupon :)
[08:30] <Daskreech> Course the Wallpaper of Ubuntu hits the front page of Digg as well and gets a lot more attention :-p
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> What is th Kubuntu equiv of xdmcp?
[08:40] <Daisuke-Ido> kdmcp?
[08:40] <Daisuke-Ido> i don't know if that's it, but it's a reasonable guess
[08:41] <jimmacdonald> ok lemme ask this a little differently... I would like to enable remote logins on my laptop from my desktop... I have it working the other way around I think.
[08:41] <Daisuke-Ido> ssh?
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> nope remote login from the login screen
[08:42] <Daisuke-Ido> ah.  no idea
[08:47] <dwidmann> jimmacdonald: a perhaps less elegant way would be this: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
[09:04] <koriel> what is bluetooth client that comes with kubuntu distro?
[09:04] <Jucato> kdebluetooth
[09:08] <combo> !flash
[09:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:09] <osh_> Hey, someone wrote a nice article, linked from digg. http://jucato.org/blog/why-kde/
[09:09] <Jucato> O.o
[09:10] <osh_> Very well written.
[09:11] <Jucato> heh thanks :)
[09:11] <osh_> Btw is there a "list" or something that will show me what KIOslaves I have? I just found out the "kio_apt" from your blog.
[09:12] <Jucato> osh_: KHelpCenter has a list, but not all are well documented
[09:12] <combo> how can i install flash under FIREFOX ??
[09:12] <Jucato> there are some from the link in the References at the bottom of the article
[09:12] <Jucato> combo: just install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <combo> i typed install flash-nonfree but it doesn't work
[09:12] <combo> Jucato: i did it already
[09:12] <Jucato> because it's flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <combo> Jucato: yes i did it
[09:13] <Jucato> combo: by any chance, is this 64-bit?
[09:13] <combo> Jucato: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree / nope i386
[09:13] <osh_> Jucato: Ok. It's a shame that such a powerful feature don't get much more attention.
[09:13] <Jucato> combo: tried restarting firefox?
[09:13] <combo> Jucato: maybe because i was trying other ways - manually and i screw up something ?
[09:14] <combo> Jucato: yes, rebboted FF
[09:14] <Jucato> osh_: one of those things you don't know you're already using... even http:/ is really a kioslave in KDE
[09:14] <combo> in Konqurer it works fine
[09:14] <combo> but i messed something in FF
[09:14] <combo> :/
[09:14] <Jucato> combo: hm.. not really sure what happened. maybe doing it manually screwed something up. by default Konqueror and Firefox use the same directories for plugins
[09:14] <osh_> A company I worked for chose KDE for technical reasons. When I showed them the fish:/ protocol they were amazed. So some things are fantastic, but don't get nearly enough expo.
[09:15] <combo> Jucato: maybe i reinstall FF
[09:15] <Jucato> osh_: you could fish:/ or sftp:/ directly from Kate too... or Quanta
[09:15] <osh_> Unfortunatly since I left most other admins were gnome-heads.
[09:15] <Jucato> (not sure how media streaming works with kio)
[09:16] <Jucato> combo: might not fix anything if you have manually changed some directories or files.
[09:16] <osh_> Jucato: Yeah. That's what I mean. KIOslaves are amazing but not nearly enough ppl know about them. Even the ones using KDE.
[09:16] <combo> Jucato: i did changed something in dirs
[09:16] <combo> Jucato: but if remove and then install again it should works
[09:16] <Jucato> hehe that makes the experience of learning about them all the more satisfying... the "Wow!' factor
[09:16] <Jucato> combo: not really sure. I don't use Firefox much
[09:17] <combo> Jucato: and what u use ?
[09:17] <Jucato> Konqueror
[09:17] <combo> Konqueror?! lol
[09:17] <khaije1> osh_: thats why i don't understand the need or desire for dolphin when konqueror is available
[09:17] <combo> sweet ! - adept managert crashed! :[[[[[
[09:17] <Jucato> khaije1: user demand
[09:18] <Jucato> (and probably a sort of excuse to redo the mistakes of konq)
[09:18] <khaije1> Jucato: but what makes dolphin better than konqueror?
[09:18] <Jucato> simpler usage. cleaner code
[09:19] <Jucato> and most specially, actively maintained
[09:19] <osh_> I'll reserve judgement about konqi/dolph until after I've seen them both in action. Right now I'm happy with konqi.
[09:19] <combo> does command 'sudo apt-get remove firefox' make my system clear from FF ? :] 
[09:19] <combo> or is there something else i should remove ?
[09:19] <Jucato> khaije1: but I hope you're not basing your opinion of dolphin based on KDE 3's dolphin
[09:20] <khaije1> Jucato: well no, the kde4 alpha/beta preview
[09:20] <Jucato> good
[09:20] <Jucato> at least yours is an informed opinion :)
[09:21] <Jucato> combo: sudo apt-get remove --purge
[09:21] <combo> Jucato: too late... :( installing ff again
[09:21] <combo> CRAP!
[09:21] <Jucato> without purge, the /etc configurations still exist
[09:21] <Jucato> but even with purge, your modifications in your home directory still remain
[09:21] <khaije1> i'd say konqueror is a good example of what i like about foss in general, pleasant and useful ui's that have incredible functional depth
[09:22] <Jucato> khaije1: then nothing to be worried about. just a few clicks and Konq's your default file manager again
[09:22] <combo> Jucato: purge gives nothing
[09:22] <Jucato> combo: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox of course
[09:22] <combo> i did it one more time and FF flash still DOES NOT work :/
[09:23] <combo> Jucato:  :/
[09:23] <combo> :PP
[09:23] <Jucato> but like I said, your changes in /home will remain
[09:23] <combo> Jucato: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox | didn't work
[09:24] <combo> it looks there is no such dir in home
[09:24] <Jucato> without knowing what manual changes you did..and not knowing how Firefox does stuff... I can't really help much
[09:25] <combo> i clreared up that dir: /home/combo/.mozilla/plugins
[09:25] <combo> there were some files
[09:25] <combo> and i deleted them
[09:25] <combo> maybe someone can send those two files to me ??
[09:25] <combo> by default there are: libflashplayer.so & flashplayer.xpt
[09:26] <combo> can someone send those two files to me ???
[09:26] <combo> [ i deleted those files ] 
[09:26] <Jucato> combo: it should look for flashplayer in the system directories so that should work now
[09:27] <Jucato> so probably your .mozilla libflashplayer.so is blocking the correctly working version that Konqueror is using too
[09:27] <Jucato> libflashplayer.so <---- flash player plugin
[09:27] <sbucat> hi
[09:27] <combo> Jucato: i mean i replaced those two files with files downloaded from adobe.com
[09:27] <combo> and then installed flashplugin from repo
[09:28] <combo> and i doesn't work
[09:28] <Jucato> combo: you shouldn't have put those files in manually yourself
[09:29] <combo> Jucato: i didn't know that
[09:29] <combo> from windows i have a habbit that first i'm trying to do something myself and if it doesn't work then i'm trying to find a help in internet
[09:30] <oem> i can not listen to mp3 formati
[09:30] <combo> and this way i'm screwing up everything
[09:30] <combo> ://///
[09:30] <oem> i have install xine, but it doesent works
[09:30] <Jucato> combo: anything in the users home will override/hide the corresponding system-wide thing
[09:30] <Jucato> oem: libxine-extracodecs ?
[09:30] <ardchoille> oem: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:30] <oem> no
[09:31] <Jucato> that's what you need
[09:31] <combo> it woooorks!!
[09:31] <Jucato> :P
[09:31] <combo> Jucato: i removed home folder with mozilla and it works!! :D:D
[09:31] <ardchoille> Jucato: You should get paid for this :)
[09:31] <combo> ok... thanks the Lord... this time i had lucky :))
[09:31] <Jucato> combo: it would be probably better if you researched how to do something first :)
[09:31] <Jucato> ardchoille: how I wish :)
[09:31] <combo> ardchoille: ;P
[09:32] <Jucato> ardchoille: but I doubt Canonical can afford so many paid IRC helpers :)
[09:32] <Jucato> coz I'm certainly not the only one nor am I the best
[09:32] <Jucato> (probably the koolest though)
[09:32] <Jucato> lol
[09:32] <oem> thx
[09:32] <ardchoille> Jucato: You have been here all day helpng people.. and I have been learning just watching you. You are appreciated :)
[09:33] <Jucato> hahaha
[09:33] <galathalion> anyone use jabber?
[09:33] <Jucato> if I'm in here all day helping people, that means I'm not doing something that I should be doing :)
[09:34] <galathalion> i added a person who use jabber, i use kopete, but she seems to be logging in and out every second.. :S
[09:34] <Jucato> galathalion: it might be a problem with her jabber server?
[09:34] <galathalion> yeah it might
[09:35] <galathalion> i was just thinking..
[09:35] <galathalion> :>
[09:40] <oem> amarok is not working on my computer
[09:40] <emilsedgh> oem: whats the problem?
[09:41] <oem> he says thet playlist is finished
[09:41] <oem> when I click on song
[09:41] <NielsE> maybe it doesnt play mp3 yet, you problably need the correct codecs
[09:42] <oem> i have 1.3 version
[09:43] <oem> i can lisen mp3 on kaffeine
[09:43] <Jucato> oem: did you restart amarok after install libxine-extracodecs ?
[09:45] <Daisuke-Ido> version 1.3 of amarok?
[09:46] <Daisuke-Ido> bedtime, gnight
[09:47] <CelaEllerNatt> I have found a problem I don\t know how to handle.
[09:48] <CelaEllerNatt> Everything seems to work properly until i shall login inte KDE
[09:48] <khaije1> !unhandled problem
[09:48] <CelaEllerNatt> when I press enter, the screen goes black, and Im bounching bag to the login screen again, nothing more happens
[09:49] <CelaEllerNatt> bouncing back
[09:49] <khaije1> CelaEllerNatt: have you tried checking you dmesg or xorg logs?
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> I have not, because I had no idea about them before now >/(
[09:50] <khaije1> CelaEllerNatt: the last few times this happened to me was because of x auth and my disk being 100% full
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> wrong keyboard!
[09:50] <CelaEllerNatt> soory
[09:51] <ardchoille> CelaEllerNatt: Can you ctrl+alt+f1 on that box?
[09:51] <CelaEllerNatt> Right? full? its a new installation, but I will check it up. Otherwise i will come back
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> ardchoille, what will that do>
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> ?
[09:52] <ardchoille> CelaEllerNatt: G there and log in, I have a command to check something
[09:52] <CelaEllerNatt> I will. Thanks for the ideas!
[09:57] <ardchoille> !kdesu
[09:57] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:57] <combo> what is the firefox folder on kubuntu ?? i mean the path ??
[09:58] <Jucato> your firefox user profile?
[09:58] <ardchoille> combo: ~/.mozilla/*
[09:58] <Jucato> yep
[09:58] <combo> flash installer want to type path to firefox DIR so i need that path
[09:58] <Jucato> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[09:58] <Jucato> er...
[09:58] <combo> Jucato: ok
[09:58] <Jucato> why again?
[09:58] <combo> Jucato: it looks it worked for a while
[09:58] <ardchoille> combo: flash is in the repos
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: yeap i know
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: but it DOES NOT work ;P
[09:59] <ardchoille> combo: amd64?
[09:59] <Jucato> a while ago you said that it did
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: i mean doesn NOT work under ff cuz under Konqueror it works as well
[09:59] <combo> ardchoille: nope, i386
[09:59] <combo> even under opera works
[10:00] <ardchoille> combo: Did you restart firefox?
[10:00] <combo> ardchoille: many times :D
[10:00] <combo> ardchoille: cuz i'm trying to isntall that stupid flash since yesterday evening ;P
[10:00] <ardchoille> combo: Open firefox and type this into the location: about:plugins
[10:00] <ardchoille> See if flash is listed
 Jucato: i removed home folder with mozilla and it works!! :D:D
[10:01] <combo> MIME TYPE: application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	YES
[10:01] <combo> it looks it works
[10:01] <ardchoille> It's installed
[10:01] <Jucato> so how does it *not* work?
[10:01] <combo> but on youtube.com and everywhere else movies do NOT work
[10:01] <combo> Jucato: :?
[10:01] <combo> idunno :/
[10:02] <Jucato> combo: what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[10:02] <ardchoille> combo: Are you allowing cookies and javascrpt on those sites?
[10:02] <combo> Jucato: kub-7.04
[10:02] <Jucato> hmm
[10:02] <combo> ardchoille: probably yes
[10:02] <combo> ardchoille: how to check it out ?
[10:02] <combo> wait i just remind something
[10:02] <ardchoille> combo: It in the firefox settings
[10:03] <combo> when i was trying flash manuall - at begginigs before trying it from repos... in path i typed /usr/local/mozilla-firefox
[10:03] <combo> and it installed some files there
[10:03] <combo> so maybe because it doesn;t work :/
[10:03] <combo> ardchoille: cookies accepting
[10:04] <waylandbill_> combo: you want /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[10:04] <bigyee> ke pedo
[10:04] <ardchoille> combo: I think the javascript settins are on the Content tab
[10:04] <combo> waylandbill_: right, right - i made mistake - it was dir as u said
[10:05] <combo> ardchoille: all 4 option on content tab are ON
[10:05] <waylandbill_> combo: actually, thats a symbolic link. Try /usr/lib/mozilla instead.
[10:06] <combo> waylandbill_: will try that now
[10:07] <combo> crap! i'm typing /usr/lib/mozilla and it shows - Enter a valid installation path
[10:08] <combo> it looks there is no such dir
[10:08] <combo> waylandbill_: can u check out what do u have in dir /usr/lib/mozilla/
[10:08] <combo> cuz i have there inly plugins folder
[10:10] <combo> waylandbill_: can someone using FIREFOX here can tell me what is content of /usr/lib/mozilla/ dir ??
[10:10] <combo> waylandbill_: r u there ? :)
[10:10] <waylandbill_> combo: of course. The flash installer puts the flash plugin in the plugins subdirectory
[10:11] <combo> waylandbill_: but there is only one dir? called plugins
[10:11] <combo> do u have also only one dir ?
[10:11] <ardchoille> combo: That's what I have
[10:12] <combo> ok... :
[10:12] <waylandbill_> um... I just said that. You tell the installer /usr/lib/mozilla which then puts the libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[10:12] <ardchoille> combo: If you installed flash from the repos, it does all of that for you
[10:12] <combo> ardchoille: so why if i'm typing path to the /usr/lib/mozilla it shows that this path is not valid
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: from repos it is installed and doesn't work
[10:13] <ardchoille> combo: Why are you typing a path to begin with?
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: so i'm trying to solve it somehow
[10:13] <ardchoille> combo:  ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[10:13] <combo> ardchoille: i downloaded install_flash_player_9_linux
[10:14] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: what's the prompt from the installer say exactly? It's been a while since I used it.
[10:14] <waylandbill_> oops. meant for combo
[10:14] <ardchoille> combo: Well, when you install from the repos, it just grabs it from the flash site anyway
[10:14] <combo>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins - also is invalid :/
[10:14] <combo> ardchoille: i see...
[10:15] <combo> something is wrong?! :/ why it so hard :/
[10:15] <combo> CRAP!
[10:15] <combo> i waste such lot of time for some stupid flash-sic-player and it doesn't work
[10:15] <combo> ...also your time...
[10:15] <ardchoille> combo: Find out where  flashplayer.xpt  and  libflashplayer.so  are and then either cp or link them to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[10:16] <galathalion> where do i find my usb-hdd?
[10:16] <combo> ardchoille: ok
[10:16] <combo> it looks that in this dir (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) there are already those files
[10:17] <ardchoille> combo: Then flash is where it's supposed to be
[10:17] <waylandbill_> combo: then it's installed correctly.
[10:17] <crazy_bus> I downloaded a .mp4 off google video.  But while it plays from the start, it freezes if I skip ahead.  Other mp4's play properly though another one I got off google video has the same problem (most google videos I've downloaded work)  I've tried to play it in kaffeine and gstreamer-xine.  Is there anyway I can fix it?
[10:18] <Jucato> crazy_bus: try playing it in mplayer (using kmplayer)
[10:18] <combo> good LORD
[10:18] <combo> suuuuuuuuuch stuuuuuuuuupi i am!
[10:18] <combo> ardchoille: i'm so sorry
[10:18] <combo> i'm so sorry guys
[10:18] <ardchoille> Why?
[10:18] <combo> my fault
[10:19] <ardchoille> combo: There is nothing wrong with making mistakes.. there is, however, something wrong with not learning from them :)
[10:19] <combo> i removed from home dir ./.mozilla dir and run FF again... and now flash works... it looks that i downloaded som plug-in for FF that blocks flash at all
[10:19] <combo> :/
[10:20] <ardchoille> combo: flashblock?
[10:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: lol
[10:20] <combo> ardchoille: yeap
[10:20] <galathalion> some1 halp me nao?
[10:20] <galathalion> pls?
[10:20] <ardchoille> combo: In that case, you need to allow javascript in order to allow flash. Are you using noscript too?
[10:21] <combo> ardchoille: no-script too
[10:21] <ardchoille> combo: That is what's causing the problem. you need to allow javascript and then you can see flash
[10:22] <combo> ardchoille: it seems that java is allowed at all
[10:22] <crazy_bus> whenever I install a new version of kubuntu it retains the look of the older version.  I.e the livecd looks different from the install.  This is because I always keep my /home directory.  But how do I keep my program settings and files but get the new effects?
[10:22] <waylandbill_> combo: :-/
[10:22] <waylandbill_> lol
[10:23] <Jucato> crazy_bus: yes. because KDE user settings are kept in /home/username/.kde
[10:23] <Jucato> so they get carried over
[10:23] <crazy_bus> so if I delete that before I upgrade will I get the new look?
[10:24] <waylandbill_> crazy_bus: that was a good question. I wondered in the past, but not enough to ask. :)
[10:24] <ardchoille> crazy_bus: Don't delete it, simply rename it to .kde-old or something in case you need to retrieve something
[10:24] <Jucato> waylandbill_: you? wonder? no way
[10:24] <waylandbill_> :-/
[10:25] <waylandbill_> I figured it was .kde, but never tried renaming .kde before a dist-upgrade. I'm sure it could be done anytime though and default settings would be created.
[10:25] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:26] <ardchoille> waylandbill_: But you would also lose things like kadressbook entries, korganizer calendars, akregator feeds, etc.
[10:26] <waylandbill_> I don't do much before a dist-upgrade other than back stuff up.
[10:27] <ardchoille> That's why I always advise to backup rather than delete
[10:27] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: yeah. but those could be put back in on a case by case basis I'm sure from the backup copy.
[10:27] <ardchoille> yes
[10:28] <waylandbill_> gotta run. bye.
[10:33] <lordofthepigs> Hello!
[10:33] <lordofthepigs> how can I disable automount on my ubuntu liveCD
[10:33] <emilsedgh_> !hi | lordofthepigs
[10:33] <ubotu> lordofthepigs: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:34] <lordofthepigs> I can use GParted in any useful way because ubuntu insists on auto-mounting all the partitions on my hard drive
[10:34] <lordofthepigs> whereas I basically want all partitions to be deleted
[10:35] <lordofthepigs> anyway?
[10:35] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: you could unmount them, but, if you have problem with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu, this place is for Kubuntu
[10:37] <lordofthepigs> emilsedgh: but when I unmount them, they get automounted...
[10:38] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: in Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:38] <lordofthepigs> ubuntu feisty
[10:39] <emilsedgh> lordofthepigs: so go to #ubuntu channel, this place is for Kubuntu
[10:46] <Bl4ckSB4> Bonjour
[10:47] <Bl4ckSB4> Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'expliquer comment fonctionne les noms de domaines
[10:47] <Jucato> !fr | Bl4ckSB4
[10:47] <ubotu> Bl4ckSB4: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:48] <Bl4ckSB4> sorry all
[11:01] <ardchoille> Time for bed, back later.
[11:04] <alberg_> hello
[11:27] <guhhh> if i use a chrooted service, and i want to install a module on it... is there any way i can install it directly to chrooted service? also, for /dev/random i use for example: mknod .../dev/random c 1 8 ?
[11:32] <animimotus> hello
[11:33] <animimotus> how can I display the 5 lines befor the line:152 and 5 lines after in a file.txt?
[11:41] <llutz> animimotus: head -n 157 file.txt |tail        :))
[11:51] <animimotus> [11:41]  <llutz> animimotus: head -n 157 file.txt |tail        :)) <----- thx, I have the total sexy effect with : cat -n file.txt | head -n 157 | tail    ;)
[11:52] <llutz> animimotus: "useless use of cat" :)
[12:15] <NiceGuyUK> anyone know how to access a UDF format DVD on Feisty?
[12:33] <ho4upiva>  )
[12:33] <Jucato> !ru
[12:33] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:54] <runlevelten> Are cd's supposed to have these weird permissions
[12:54] <runlevelten> ?
[12:54] <runlevelten> As it stands, users on these kubuntu desktops are running windows programs with root privileges because otherwise they won't work..
[12:54] <runlevelten> Which is just fantastic
[12:58] <runlevelten> Gah, broken broken broken.
[12:58] <tsdgeos> runlevelten: file a bug
[12:59] <runlevelten> IYeah, when I've not got loads of work to do.
[01:00] <runlevelten> Lots of which is because of brokenness. Recursive problem, see? :(
[01:06] <ubuntu_> hello
[01:07] <ubuntu_> i am in my liveCD
[01:07] <ubuntu_> and i want to mount my linux partition
[01:07] <ubuntu_> ecause i have make so modification in the menu.lst of my linux grub and i can not enter in my linux session
[01:13] <Kachna> ubuntu_: just mount /dev/(your partition) /mnt/(some folder) -t (filesystem..ext3/reiserfs or so)
[01:16] <ubuntu_> some folder?? for example??
[01:17] <runlevelten> Man, what a disappointment. A hellish nightmare of bugs and crap. Back to the other distro for my end users, methinks.
[01:18] <USMarine> ubuntu_ anything you want
[01:19] <USMarine> mount /dev/(your partition) /mnt/broken_system
[01:19] <ubuntu_> my problem is this : i have make some modification in menu.lst
[01:19] <ubuntu_> and i cannot boot in linux
[01:19] <ubuntu_> and i want to restore these modifications
[01:20] <ubuntu_> root@ubuntu:/# mount /dev/sda3/ /mnt -t ext2
[01:20] <ubuntu_> mount: special device /dev/sda3/ does not exist
[01:20] <ubuntu_>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[01:21] <ubuntu_> mount make some error
[01:26] <ubuntu_> please i wait for answer
[01:27] <ubuntu__> hi
[01:28] <Eagle_101> ubuntu_: it gave you the error
[01:28] <Eagle_101> the device does not exist
[01:28] <Zsolti> waht's up?
[01:28] <ubuntu_> yes
[01:28] <ubuntu_> yes
[01:28] <ubuntu_> what can i do now
[01:29] <Zsolti> I ve just installed ubuntu
[01:29] <ubuntu_> to restore my menu.lst with the live cd
[01:29] <Zsolti> :)
[01:29] <Zsolti> I like it
[01:30] <ubuntu__> hello
[01:30] <ubuntu__> err
[01:30] <imagine> I'm having an issue when I close the screen of my laptop (toshiba A100). When it comes back from idle, I often loose my ethernet connection.. I try a /etc/init.d/network restart and it says eth0 doesn't exist... any clue on how to solve this ?
[01:30] <ubuntu__> lol
[01:30] <allen2003> anyways...
[01:30] <allen2003> Is kubuntu good in slow comp like Pentium 3 with 500 mb of memory?
[01:31] <emilsedgh> allen2003: there shouldnt be any problem, but if you want a very fast os, try xubuntu
[01:32] <allen2003> Ah
[01:32] <allen2003> I like the design of kubuntu
[01:32] <allen2003> heh
[01:32] <allen2003> PCLinuxOS doesn't gave me any prob
[01:32] <allen2003> maybe kubuntu will do the same
[01:32] <allen2003> :-/
[01:32] <Zsolti> what size is the ubuntu in pc?
[01:32] <allen2003> hmm
[01:32] <allen2003> I got PCLinuxOS installed in this partition
[01:32] <allen2003> and i want to put my Kubuntu..
[01:32] <allen2003> Is that possible :O
[01:33] <renecc> bonjour  tous
[01:35] <Zsolti> how much place the ubuntu need to installed??????? urgent!!!!
[01:35] <gnomefreak> Zsolti: 3gigs
[01:35] <gnomefreak> give or take
[01:36] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:36] <contrast83> Zsolti: setting up the partitions?
[01:37] <Zsolti> yes
[01:37] <gnomefreak> Zsolti: that is the minimum requerments, you still need room for the stuff you install plus a swap partition is always great to have
[01:39] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:39] <renecc> bonjour  tous
[01:40] <Meta> I have two hard drives and I can't figure out how to find the second one. It's quite urgent since I have backups on that hard drive and I specifically need a photo for legal purposes.
[01:40] <contrast83> Zsolti: if you have the space to spare, 10 gigs is a safe bet for the root partition (/), then another partition for /home that's big enough to hold all your personal files
[01:41] <Meta> And I've normally only used Ubuntu
[01:41] <contrast83> Meta: Did you check in /media ?
[01:41] <Zsolti> We are in school :S
[01:41] <Zsolti> :)
[01:42] <Meta> Yep, there's only removable media in there
[01:42] <Zsolti> pcs are very old shit
[01:42] <contrast83> Zsolti: oh ok. well, 1 gig should suffice (that partition still has to hold personal settings, etc.). you don't *have* to set a different partition for it, but it makes things a lot easier when upgrading/reinstalling
[01:43] <contrast83> Meta: Run "kcontrol", then click System Administration at the bottom, then Disk & Filesystems
[01:44] <Meta> It's in /dev/ Thanks
[01:44] <contrast83> Meta: It'll let you define a mount point for it from there... No problem
[01:45] <Meta> Alright... um, how do I do that?
[01:45] <Zsolti> thank you for help
[01:46] <contrast83> no problem
[01:46] <contrast83> Meta: one sec...
[01:47] <Meta> k
[01:47] <contrast83> Meta: Click Administrator Mode -> password -> Click New -> fill in the information
[01:48] <contrast83> Meta: Is this other hard drive an internal one?
[01:48] <Meta> Yep
[01:48] <Meta> Where do you suggest I mount it?
[01:48] <contrast83> Just FYI, next time you reinstall, you should be able to define a mount point for it from there
[01:49] <contrast83> Meta: Whereever you want. I don't think there's any stipulation on that
[01:49] <Meta> I installed from LiveCD, never done that before.
[01:49] <contrast83> Meta: Are you mainly using it to contain personal data?
[01:49] <Meta> Ummm, any suggestions?
[01:49] <Meta> Yep.
[01:50] <Meta> But at the moment I'm trying to retrieve some data from it for the police, coz Windows crashed yesterday
[01:51] <contrast83> Meta: I would just put it in /home/yourname/Extra or something like that
[01:51] <contrast83> Does it mainly contain one type of data?
[01:51] <Meta> Ummm, not quite sure, sorry.
[01:51] <contrast83> Because then you might want to make it /home/yourname/Pictures or whatever
[01:52] <Meta> Probably not
[01:52] <contrast83> How big?
[01:52] <Meta> 18GB
[01:52] <Meta> Or, 20GB
[01:52] <Meta> Its got backups in it
[01:52] <contrast83> Ohhh
[01:52] <contrast83> Forgot that part. Heh
[01:53] <Meta> Okay, mounted and everything
[01:53] <Zsolti> I got error message
[01:53] <contrast83> You did check Enable at startup and Writeable, right?
[01:53] <Meta> Sweet, it worked. Thankyou! =D My mum will be very happy with that
[01:53] <contrast83> Zsolti: What was it?
[01:53] <contrast83> Meta: Np
[01:54] <Zsolti> grub-install (hd0) give a mistake
[01:55] <Meta> Uh oh...
[01:55] <Meta> Hopefully it's not just restore points. -.-
[01:56] <Zsolti> bye
[01:56] <contrast83> Zsolti: Could you go back to the partitioning step, pick manual partitioning, and pastebin what the partition tables look like from there
[01:56] <Zsolti> I found the mistake
[01:56] <Zsolti> thanks
[01:57] <Zsolti> ok
[01:57] <Zsolti> bye
[01:57] <contrast83> oh ok. cool. peace
[02:00] <Meta> Question, are .chk files able to be opened in any way in Linux? Or are they just a strictly Windows thing?
[02:01] <Meta> Grrrr, brb. -.-
[02:14] <shanky> I have had a problem during and apt-get upgrade
[02:14] <shanky> and now I can't update the apt-get repositories
[02:15] <shanky> I'm getting this sort of messages:
[02:15] <shanky> http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[02:16] <contrast83> shanky: You might try this...
[02:16] <contrast83> !aptfix | shanky
[02:16] <ubotu> shanky: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:16] <Jucato> hm... might not be a related problem
[02:16] <contrast83> That's what I was thinking
[02:16] <contrast83> But I'm not sure what else to suggest. :-\
[02:23] <Harrowed> shanky: Could also be the Repository had a bad update and the main HASH fails.  Sorry unsure on release process and authentication method :(
[02:27] <Phlogi> I downloaded kubuntu dvd, but I can't install thunderbird, is it on the cd?
[02:28] <USMarine> probably not
[02:28] <USMarine> remove the cd source from sources.list
[02:28] <USMarine> apt-get update
[02:28] <Phlogi> can anyone give me a link for documentation how to install mp3 support,flash and such bad software on kubuntu?
[02:28] <Jucato> CD? nope
[02:28] <USMarine> apt-get install thuerbird
[02:28] <Jucato> it's in the DVD though
[02:28] <Jucato> (it should be)
[02:28] <Phlogi> USMarine: I have not yet internet there
[02:28] <LjL> !restricted > Phlogi    (Phlogi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:29] <Phlogi> LjL: thanks
[02:29] <USMarine> " such bad software" ?
[02:29] <Phlogi> flash is bad software actually :D
[02:29] <contrast83> i.e. non-free
[02:29] <Phlogi> so thunderbird should be on dvd? in which repo?
[02:29] <Phlogi> i mean which category?
[02:29] <Jucato> main
[02:29] <USMarine> bad software? lol
[02:29] <LjL> !info thunderbird
[02:29] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:29] <LjL> ehm
[02:29] <Phlogi> ubotu: why not?
[02:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about why not? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <contrast83> lol
[02:29] <Jucato> what?
[02:29] <Phlogi> I installed feisty btw
[02:30] <Jucato> Phlogi: that's a bot
[02:30] <LjL> because i gave the package name wrong, and ubotu is a bot
[02:30] <Phlogi> ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[02:30] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.13-0ubuntu0.7.04 (feisty), package size 10660 kB, installed size 29752 kB
[02:30] <Jucato> there
[02:30] <Phlogi> strange... its mising on the dvd then? =) I found the language files btw but not thunderbird itself
[02:31] <Jucato> maybe you just missed it. it should be there. try "mozilla-thunderbird"
[02:31] <USMarine> Phlogi apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[02:31] <Phlogi> I tried and I'm sure its not there... I even searched for mozilla
[02:31] <Harrowed> kesudo > sudo! :D All hail KDE!
[02:31] <Phlogi> however, thats not the main problem I have. I'll move on
[02:32] <Phlogi> ntfs3g should be no problem?
[02:32] <Harrowed> ntfs-3g
[02:32] <Jucato> Harrowed: except kdesu isn't for non-GUI utilities/apps :)
[02:32] <Harrowed> Phlogi: medibuntu.org
[02:32] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g > Phlogi
[02:32] <Jucato> see the msg from the bot
[02:32] <Jucato> (as LjL would say in his script)
[02:32] <Harrowed> !ntfs-3g > Harrowed
[02:33] <Jucato> Harrowed: c'mon now.. don't spam the guy :)
[02:33] <contrast83> Has anyone here ever used Splashy?
[02:33] <LjL> Splashy Splashog
[02:33] <LjL> ?
[02:33] <Jucato> lol
[02:33] <Jucato> splashy, an alternative bootsplash engine
[02:34] <Phlogi> thanks thanks... :)
[02:34] <LjL> yet another one?
[02:34] <Phlogi> so lets move on... dvd playing is in that guide too I guess
[02:34] <LjL> !dvd
[02:34] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:34] <Phlogi> then... hmm ati binary driver? =)
[02:34] <LjL> !ati
[02:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:34] <Jucato> although splashy came first before usplash... iirc
[02:34] <Phlogi> ok...
[02:34] <LjL> well i didn't hear the name before
[02:34] <contrast83> All that stuff is so much easier in Gutsy. :-D
[02:34] <LjL> not that i'm too much into splash screens
[02:35] <Jucato> fbsplash and splashy
[02:35] <LjL> fbsplash, yes, i heard of that
[02:35] <Phlogi> where is a docu about changing my sources.list to have all the restricted software? Its in the restricted guide?
[02:35] <contrast83> !seveas | Phlogi
[02:35] <ubotu> Phlogi: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!
[02:35] <LjL> Phlogi, just enable universe and multiverse
[02:35] <Phlogi> ok thanks!
[02:35] <contrast83> Phlogi: that contains libdvdcss (for playing encrypted dvd's)
[02:35] <Phlogi> great
[02:35] <Jucato> if he's on feisty, he doesn't need to enable anything
[02:35] <Phlogi> ok cool
[02:36] <LjL> he is?
[02:36] <Jucato> [20:29]  <Phlogi> I installed feisty btw
[02:36] <LjL> actually i was talking about seveas getting married :)
[02:36] <Jucato> lol
[02:36] <Phlogi> then I have some real troubles with the hardware in the laptop I want to use kubuntu... first of all the wireless card misses some firmware. I guess I just need to download that firmware from some restricted repos?
[02:37] <Phlogi> [50007.756000]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed. <- thats the error message
[02:37] <Harrowed> Phlogi: There's a workaround with a package to use the Winblows Driver in it's stead as a restricted driver.
[02:39] <Harrowed> !wireless
[02:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:39] <Phlogi> Harrowed: I know of that, you mean I __have__ to use ndiswrapper?
[02:40] <Harrowed> Phlogi: :D Have fun :)
[02:41] <ljl> bleah, i didn't notice "kdm" in the list of services to be restarted
[02:41] <Jucato> ljl: lol you too? :)
[02:41] <Phlogi> ok I hope to get the wireless working, but the normal lan does not work at all, here is lspci -v :http://pastebin.ca/709135
[02:41] <Jucato> happened to me last week (or the week before)
[02:42] <Phlogi> Harrowed: what do you mean? is it unstable? :-p
[02:42] <ljl> Jucato: PAM restart during gutsy upgrade...?
[02:42] <Harrowed> Phlogi: Unless there's been some hard-coding restricted modules.. Unstable to the extreme :(
[02:42] <Jucato> ljl: yeah, with the (ncurses?) dialog box telling you that it will restart services?
[02:43] <Phlogi> Harrowed: hmm that sucks :(
[02:43] <LjL> Jucato: yes. and, for one time in my life, i actually *did* look at it (briefly) - too briefly, apparently :)
[02:43] <Harrowed> Phlogi: THank redmond :(
[02:43] <Jucato> LjL: I misunderstood the warning as something like "you need to restart later"
[02:43] <LjL> the annoying thing though is, X isn't starting now
[02:44] <Jucato> LjL: I think you have to finish/restart the upgrade in the command line w/o X running first
[02:44] <LjL> yes. it's finished now (well, the dpkg --configure -a has finished, the entire upgrade certainly hasn't) and X starts again fortunately
[02:44] <LjL> not that i have anything against irssi, i just can't use it =)
[02:45] <Jucato> iirc if you run upgrade again, it will ask the pam question again... oh well...
[02:45] <LjL> then i'll keep irssi open for the time being
[02:46] <LjL> i wonder what's so wonderful in gutsy that takes 520 more megabytes of my diskspace though >:
[02:46] <Jucato> haha
[02:47] <LjL> uhm, and i also wonder why *now* the dist-upgrade says it still has to fetch 46mb worth of packages... it had already downloaded everything before! bah
[02:47] <Jucato> heheh
[02:47] <Phlogi> I found out that the lan adapter is supported in linux 2.6.21, is this .21 kernel availble for feisty???
[02:48] <abhra> Can anybody give a help whey the following eorror....
[02:48] <abhra> [00000294]  ffmpeg decoder warning: marker does not match f_code
[02:48] <abhra>  (mpeg4@0x838e940)
[02:48] <abhra> [00000294]  ffmpeg decoder warning: ac-tex damaged at 3 10
[02:48] <abhra>  (mpeg4@0x838e940)
[02:48] <abhra> [00000294]  ffmpeg decoder warning: Error at MB: 213
[02:48] <ebovine> I have two monitors (using TwinView) and for some reason new windows open on the screen with the active window instead of the screen where the mouse is.  How do I change that?
[02:49] <Jucato> !flood | abhra
[02:49] <ubotu> abhra: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:49] <Spoonah> My sound card is "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)". I have rebiult and installed the latest ALSA, and tried different settings in the alsabase modprobe file. any other ideas?
[02:49] <Spoonah> i cant hear anythuing when i try play a sound ^
[02:58] <Phlogi> does the network manager work with wpa_supplicant?
[02:59] <Lynoure> Phlogi: yes.
[03:03] <Jucato> it's in the fridge :P
[03:03] <genii> Ah OK :)
[03:05] <Phlogi> Lynoure: hmm so I just set the configuration in the wpa_supplicant conf and it should work=
[03:05] <Phlogi> ?
[03:05] <master_> Is anybody in the mood to help this newbie... (ME:)
[03:06] <Jucato> !anybody
[03:06] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:06] <master_> ok
[03:06] <master_> so
[03:06] <master_> I installes ubuntu on my laptop
[03:06] <master_> and everything worked imaculately
[03:06] <master_> but I wanted KDE
[03:07] <master_> so I instaled the kubuntu
[03:07] <master_> now My USB drive 250gb
[03:07] <master_> is not mounted
[03:07] <master_> automaticaly
[03:07] <master_> and when I mount it manualy I can't access it because of teh owner..
[03:08] <master_> when I try to chown I can't because it's NTFS
[03:08] <master_> I installed the ntfs-3g and allowed writing on the external hdd's
[03:08] <master_> but it won't work
[03:08] <master_> what do I do?
[03:08] <Harrowed> Anyone recomend a Download Manager? KGET doesn't support BW Restricting :(
[03:09] <emilsedgh> harrowed: aria2 should be good (commandline), also i dunno about that it has bw limiting or not
[03:10] <master_> I'd like to avoid the command line as for I'm a newbie but I'll have to learn it anyway as for Linux is command line right?
[03:11] <LjL> Linux is a kernel, it's neither command line nor GUI
[03:11] <master_> ok... :)
[03:11] <emilsedgh> master_: no, you dont HAVE, but cl is easy
[03:11] <LjL> what is true is that Unix is traditionally command line based, and many users are still more comfortable with the command line, and GUI tools are somewhat lacking in certain areas
[03:12] <master_> I've noticed that
[03:12] <master_> but I'm used to Windows
[03:12] <master_> I'm even an administrator
[03:12] <master_> but i don't like windows and microsoft
[03:13] <master_> and would like to get used to linux
[03:13] <hero> master_: good for you, man.
[03:13] <hero> (or woman)
[03:13] <master_> man
[03:13] <hero> master_: so what steps are you taking to "get used to" linux?
[03:14] <master_> So I have the knowledge about the informatics and stuff yet the logic is what I'm trying to get a grip on
[03:14] <Phlogi> I installed a hp color laserjet 1600 with cups and used the hp://usb device. The test page looks perfect, but when I print from kde the colors are wrong. I looks like C and B are interchanged. Any idea? Where should I ask?
[03:14] <LjL> master_: what sort of logic
[03:15] <master_> stuff on how the data is organised on the hdd
[03:15] <master_> i get around the commands in cl but I'm getting lost all the time
[03:16] <slackern> master_, do a google on 'linux filesystem structure' and you will find alot of information about it and why it is the way it is.
[03:16] <master_> And I don't have too much time to read (or not used to read that much) and I like to try and fail or suceed
[03:16] <LjL> master_: well, start with keeping in mind that, while in Windows application data tend to be organized on a one-directory-per-application basic (C:\Program Files\X), on Linux you have data organized more by categories. so /usr/bin/ contains executable files for instance, no matter what application they belong to; /usr/share/doc has documentation
[03:16] <master_> ok...
[03:17] <master_> Have U read about my problem with the USB drive in KDE Ubuntu?
[03:17] <master_> why can't I get it to work with ntfs-3g
[03:17] <master_> does it work in kubuntu at all?
[03:18] <LjL> master_: the very basic thing you must remember on Ubuntu is that only /home /etc /usr/local /opt /var/www (though it shouldn't)  are supposed to be directly modified by the system administrator
[03:18] <LjL> the rest is left up to the package manager. don't mess around with it
[03:19] <LjL> master_, i don't use NTFS partitions
[03:19] <master_> hm
[03:19] <master_> I have a company and all of my customers are using the Windows...
[03:19] <master_> I wan't to use linux
[03:19] <master_> and I have 4 comps
[03:19] <master_> 3 of them are on windows
[03:19] <master_> and 1 is now Kubuntu
[03:20] <master_> when it was ubuntu I fixed everything and it worked perfectly
[03:20] <LjL> !ntfs > master_    (master_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:20] <LjL> !ntfs-3g > master_    (master_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:20] <LjL> perhaps some information in there
[03:21] <Harrowed> master_; You want to auto-mount USB External HDD's? Why not have a unmounted Icon on connection, and right click/mount?
[03:22] <antennae> hi
[03:22] <master_> yes... but where? in the system management?
[03:22] <master_> thanks LjL
[03:24] <antennae> anyone knows if hd encryption will make it into the installer of gutsy like the current debian installer?
[03:24] <master_> Gotta go now... thanks for your help people... see you around....
[03:24] <Harrowed> master_: It's not system management but a GUI run as root (make sure to umount the drive if it's already mounted).
[03:25] <Jucato> LjL: question.. when you direct ubotu factoids to a PM with >, does it take into account the channel where it was sent from?
[03:26] <Aranel> Hi, How can i change settings of Katapult ?
[03:26] <master_> I'll try Harrowed... but It's NTFS I'll just have to figure out a way to make the ntfs-3g work in kde... like in gnome...
[03:26] <LjL> !offtopic > ljl    (ljl, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:26] <Harrowed> cyz master_
[03:26] <LjL> Jucato: seems so
[03:26] <Jucato> LjL: ok good :)
[03:26] <master_> never mind.. thanks for your help... se yall gotta run now...
[03:29] <LjL> Jucato: worried? wouldn't it be a good thing?
[03:29] <Jucato> er sorry
[03:29] <Jucato> stupid fingers...
[03:29] <Jucato> s/now/not/
[03:30] <LjL> Jucato: ah, well they do
[03:30] <LjL> at least, let me try again as i had just called !offtopic-#kubuntu in PM a moment before, so it gave me the "please see above"
[03:30] <LjL> !offtopic > ljl    (ljl, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:30] <LjL> yes, yes it works
[03:32] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:32] <grysille> Hey everyone. Trying to install Kubuntu 7.04 here. But when I insert the live cd, kdm/kde does not start. The kdm and xorg logs do not report any errors (besides some missing fonts and some error with wacom input device which is not there). syslog reports as the last line an abnormal termination of the kdm greeter.
[03:33] <grysille> any ideas what I could do to fix that?
[03:35] <Harrowed> grysille: You have multiple video cards? Possibly an onboard one and a PCI-E/AGP/PCI?
[03:36] <Jucato> grysille: have you tried starting in safe graphics mode?
[03:36] <grysille> Harrowed: just one video car. geforce 8600 gtx on pci express
[03:36] <grysille> Jucato: yes, didn't work either
[03:37] <Jucato> :(
[03:37] <grysille> Harrowed: any ideas what to do?
[03:40] <Harrowed> grysille: Sadly no.. I don't trust live :(
[03:40] <grysille> Harrowed: so - you think it will work after installing from alternative cd?
[03:41] <Harrowed> grysille: That would be my suggestion.. Install from a non X-Server and configure it all independantly
[03:43] <grysille> Harrowed: right, will try that now.
[03:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks :)
[03:55] <Jucato> moin BluesKaj
[03:55] <BluesKaj> hi Jucato
[03:56] <llutz> slept well, BluesKaj? want some cereals? :)
[03:56] <BluesKaj> have a coffee on the go here , thx
[03:57] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[03:58] <BluesKaj> got the new ATI 8.41.7 driver works very well..better than tthe previous patched and modded one i was using
[03:59] <duck> hey dudes, i got working compiz,but i needa turn it off -> there comes a problem,when i log into kde session(not xgl), i have no window decorations,any ideas?
[04:12] <Tm_T> root__: are we rooted now?
[04:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> it just amazes me how colossally stupid some people can be
[04:16] <god> 
[04:16] <god> 
[04:16] <god> Hi evryone
[04:17] <god> hi evrebade
[04:17] <llutz> Daisuke_Laptop: like Mr Einstein said: "Even 2 things are infinite: the universe and the human stupidity. and i'm not sure about the universe"
[04:17] <Soulwarp> hi
[04:18] <god> who is speak russian?
[04:18] <llutz> !ru
[04:18] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:18] <god> 
[04:18] <god> snks
[04:21] <PhinnFort> god left
[04:21] <PhinnFort> to abd
[04:21] <PhinnFort> *bad
[04:22] <llutz> strange enough, she spoke russian....
[04:25] <Soulwarp> and uses linux :)
[04:26] <pantherqin> sdf
[04:27] <BluesKaj> she ?
[04:29] <llutz> BluesKaj: sure
[04:29] <poison--> mornin
[04:29] <BluesKaj> how do you know ?
[04:30] <llutz> BluesKaj: have you ever seen a male working hard for six days in a row?
[04:30] <poison--> hi blue
[04:31] <BluesKaj> what's that got to do with god ...god doesn't "work" :)
[04:32] <BluesKaj> hi poison--
[04:32] <llutz> BluesKaj: who made earth/life, us and rested the 7th day?
[04:32] <BluesKaj> ppl have to work
[04:32] <llutz> for those who believe those old stories
[04:32] <gnomefreak> can you please move this somewhere else
[04:33] <llutz> sry
[04:40] <murali> what is generic mode
[04:47] <Kachna> hi guys,anyone has some experience with samsung hard drives? (my hdd is just dying,so gotta buy a new one >.<)
[04:47] <llutz> Kachna: no problem with samsung p-ata/s-ata in all the years here
[04:48] <Kachna> good to hear,thx :-)
[04:50] <radius> Kachna, had 2 die on me - they replace them through RMA - kind of a pita though
[04:50] <llutz> radius: which type?
[04:50] <radius> 80GB and 120GB
[04:51] <radius> ide
[04:51] <llutz> k
[04:51] <radius> same with WD 80GB IDE's last year i think i replaced 20% of my client base hdd's
[04:51] <duck> well,here is just dying one seagate 80 :( but it was up for a VERY long time...like many years uptime,so I|m about to buy 250 samsund sata-II
[04:52] <duck> (me=Kachna)
[04:52] <llutz> only dying hdd in about 15 years were 2 Fujitsu here
[04:53] <Kachna> hmh
[04:53] <Kachna> well i had this for like 7 years...and and it was up most the time...like 5years maybe
[04:54] <radius> i think it's the luck of the draw on hdd's - just  like buying a car built on a monday or friday - i think the defective one's fall under the same category
[04:54] <radius> also depends on environment as well
[04:54] <Kachna> well the drive seems to be ok,no problems with data, BUT problems with booting from it :( like random errors from grub, lilo saying 101010..and then after 150 tried it starts :/
[04:55] <Kachna> can it be caused by anything else than disk?
[04:56] <atlfalcons866> will KDE 4 be in gusty gibbon
[04:56] <llutz> unlikely, have you checked it with hdd-tools?
[04:56] <llutz> atlfalcons866: no
[04:57] <Kachna> mm nope
[04:57] <atlfalcons866> in Hardy Heron?
[04:57] <llutz> Kachna: try a health-test
[04:57] <Kachna> m not found in repos,k lemme find it :-)
[04:58] <atlfalcons866> how do i report a bug
[04:58] <llutz> Kachna: website of hdd-producer or on ultimatebootcd
[04:58] <stdin> !bug | atlfalcons866
[04:58] <ubotu> atlfalcons866: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:58] <Kachna> k
[04:58] <atlfalcons866> when i report a bug from KDE it goes to the kde bug website
[04:59] <reagleBRKLN> how do i control the speed/resolution (not acceleration) of a usb trackball?
[04:59] <atlfalcons866> shouldnt the bug reports go to launchpad/
[05:00] <computeruser> amd64 gateway detected wired ethernet OK  now need to detect wifi. what clue ?
[05:00] <stdin> atlfalcons866: in a way yes and in a way no. most KDE bugs are upstream (kde) bugs and not Kubuntu bugs
[05:00] <computeruser> !wireless
[05:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <genii> uga: you alive?
[05:30] <computeruser> SPLIT?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> moo!
[05:37] <combo> is there any ANTIVIRUS under kubuntu ??
[05:37] <llutz> !virus
[05:37] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[05:37] <genii> combo: KlamAV is most often used
[05:38] <combo> genii: thx
[05:38] <Jucato> !antivirus
[05:38] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[05:40] <PhinnFort> htf do i turn off/switch the fugly kdm theme (in gutsy)?
[05:43] <Jucato> !kdmtheme
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <Jucato> hm..
[05:43] <llutz> edit kdmrc
[05:43] <Jucato> PhinnFort: easy way, install kdmtheme and do it from kcontrol
[05:44] <PhinnFort> Jucato: it claims there's an override file blocking it, and suggest a file to read
[05:44] <PhinnFort> Jucato: I can't find anything about said override in the said file
[05:44] <Jucato> what is claiming that?
[05:44] <PhinnFort> Jucato: kdmtheme
[05:44] <Jucato> when does this happen?
[05:45] <PhinnFort> Jucato: when I run it
[05:45] <Jucato> hm... weird...
[05:45] <Jucato> you'll have to follow llutz's suggestion then
[05:45] <PhinnFort> llutz: kdmrc contains $$somerandomnonsensetobereplacedbysomething$$ after theme=
[05:48] <llutz> PhinnFort: have a look into /etc/defaults/kdm.d, theres the overriding file. maybe better change that one?
[05:48] <PhinnFort> llutz: thanks
[05:49] <PhinnFort> works now, I suspect
[05:49] <llutz> can't they just use kde-options and let users decide which theme they want?
[05:49] <Jucato> llutz: that location is very new to me...
[05:49] <llutz> Jucato: to me too
[05:49] <Jucato> how did you find it?
[05:49] <llutz> a hint in kdmrc(gutsy)
[05:50] <llutz> that's gnome-like  :(
[05:51] <Jucato> well it previously used kdmrc...
[05:51] <Jucato> but it does seem reasonable that init.d would get settings from defaults/
[05:52] <poison--> Jucato
[05:52] <poison--> sup
[05:52] <Jucato> doing ok I guess
[05:53] <poison--> man, still havin issues with smb
[05:53] <poison--> damn thing dont find my network right
[05:53] <poison--> if i if i use xsmbrowser, it finds all the 34 machines here
[05:54] <poison--> but using samba dont
[05:56] <acidBURN> is there going to be better support for google on line services in kubuntu 7.10  :-S
[05:56] <stdin> define "better support" ie: what's missing now?
[05:57] <Jucato> kinda vague question... can I give a  vague answer? :)
[05:57] <poison--> lmao
[05:57] <davide> salve
[05:57] <davide> hello
[05:57] <Jucato> hi
[05:57] <poison--> llo
[05:57] <davide> are there somone who play wow on linux?!?!?
[05:58] <poison--> try wine
[05:58] <davide> yes
[05:58] <Kachna> maeh,tested hard drive with tool from seagate,no errors found,so what can cause random grub/lilo error
[05:58] <Kachna> s
[05:58] <davide> i've installed it
[05:58] <Kachna> davide: kinda...
[05:58] <acidBURN> konqueror does not work inside google.
[05:58] <davide> but
[05:58] <davide> when i try to enter game with a charachter the game crashes
[05:58] <Kachna> davide: i dont play anymore,but had it working
[05:59] <davide> what???
[05:59] <runlevelten> inside google? Wot, their offices?
[05:59] <Jucato> acidBURN: Gmail and Google Calendar and Google reader work
[05:59] <Kachna> so character selection is working for ya?
[05:59] <davide> what is kinda=
[05:59] <acidBURN> Jucato: not hear at all, infact opera does not
[05:59] <davide> yes
[05:59] <stdin> acidBURN: well, docs.google.com for example work here in konqueror
[05:59] <davide> selection character runs
[05:59] <acidBURN> Jucato: try to do a spreadsheet, it google told me to upgrade my browser
[05:59] <Jucato> acidBURN:  most of that is Google's responsibility
[05:59] <davide> but when i enter in game the game crahes
[06:00] <Kachna> damn I|ve read about some problem like u have a bit ago :/ can|t get where was it :/
[06:00] <acidBURN> Jucato: so there no help
[06:00] <Jucato> acidBURN: use a different User Agent/Browser Identification
[06:00] <acidBURN> Jucato: did nothing works
[06:00] <acidBURN> Jucato: firefox id , still google tells me to upgrade to
[06:00] <stdin> FF 1.5.0.5 is the User Agent I have for *google.com
[06:01] <acidBURN> stdin: nope
[06:01] <stdin> make sure you have Java and JavaScript on too
[06:01] <acidBURN> stdin: even opera will not do doc's or spreadsheets
[06:01] <Jucato> stdin: wow you have 1.5.0.5? I only have 1.5.0.4
[06:01] <davide> wwhere did u find that??
[06:01] <Chousuke> hmm
[06:01] <acidBURN> stdin: google mail is okay
[06:01] <davide> search in google?
[06:01] <Chousuke> beryl seems to work
[06:01] <Chousuke> fun stuff
[06:01] <acidBURN> stdin: in opera
[06:01] <poison--> is there an alternative to samba?
[06:01] <acidBURN> stdin: will not work in konqueror (gmail)
[06:01] <runlevelten> Depends what you wanna do poison
[06:02] <runlevelten> Depends what you wanna do poison--
[06:02] <stdin> Jucato: nah, it is .4 not .5 :)
[06:02] <poison--> i want to browse windows machines and share my linux
 search on google i'll find that??
[06:03] <acidBURN> stdin: so that is why I'm asking when konqueror is going to get updated to work inside google
[06:03] <stdin> acidBURN: it is working, I see google mail, docs etc all working
[06:03] <Jucato> better question: when is Google going to support Safari, KHTML and Opera better? :)
[06:03] <runlevelten> If you want to browse straight smb shares, then samba is what you want.
[06:03] <acidBURN> stdin: load a spreadsheet into google doc, then try to edit it.
[06:04] <acidBURN> stdin: spent all morning doing this... you can't
[06:04] <runlevelten> If you want to share files and printers and stuff and are prepared to install and use other stuff you don't have to use samba, even on a network with windows on
[06:04] <acidBURN> stdin: even ver 9.2x of opera can't
[06:04] <acidBURN> Jucato: i wish it was today
[06:05] <llutz> acidBURN: why should i give google my spreadsheets? they dig more data than anough without my help
[06:05] <Jucato> acidBURN: Google not working w/ opera should give you a clue that it isn't Konqueror alone :)
[06:05] <acidBURN> Jucato: agree
[06:05] <acidBURN> llutz: just a test
[06:06] <acidBURN> Jucato: but still, its the matter at hand WHAT works 99% with all websites ? Firefox ?
[06:07] <BluesKaj> you have to use a diff browser setting for gmail and yahoo mail pages ..I use FF 1.5 in Browser Identification and it renders the pages ok
[06:07] <acidBURN> BluesKaj: been there done that, nothing works. its .4 not the support .5
[06:07] <BluesKaj> in konq that is
[06:07] <Jucato> acidBURN: simple: market share
[06:08] <acidBURN> Jucato: something a miss
[06:08] <stdin> acidBURN: the reason "Konqueror doesn't work in google" is because google is wrong, it's java script is messed up and some browsers don't care but Konqueror does
[06:08] <Jucato> Firefox simply has a bigger marketshare/popularity than either safari, konqueror, or opera. so Google would of course support eh more popular browsers/engines
[06:09] <acidBURN> stdin: agree
[06:09] <acidBURN> Jucato: agree
[06:09] <acidBURN> so, that forces us to use what
[06:09] <acidBURN> FIREFOX
[06:10] <llutz> IE!!
[06:10] <acidBURN> ?
[06:10] <Jucato> !caps
[06:10] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[06:10] <acidBURN> sorry
[06:10] <acidBURN> FIREfox
[06:10] <kkathman> unfortunately there really isnt a good choice of browser right now - they all have major issues :(
[06:10] <BluesKaj> acidBURN, so you can't change the mozilla user agent to 5 ?
[06:11] <acidBURN> nope, is coded into konqueror, try posting this question on the konqueror irc chat list, but there seem to be no-one alive
[06:11] <Jucato> you mean #khtml ?
[06:11] <BluesKaj> acidBURN, which kde version ?
[06:11] <Jucato> I don't think there's a Firefox 1.5.0.5 user agent
[06:12] <genii> stdin: It sems so odd Google is not Konqueror friendly when they run on linux .... <sighs>
[06:12] <acidBURN> there isn't as far I can tell
[06:12] <acidBURN> ,sick
[06:12] <BluesKaj> no it's 1.50.4 in kde 3.5.7
[06:12] <acidBURN> Jucato: no the #konqueror group
[06:13] <acidBURN> running kde 3.5.7
[06:13] <Jucato> acidBURN: #khtml is the one for KHTML development
[06:13] <Jucato> and since it's a browsing issue, it's meant for KHTML
[06:13] <acidBURN> Jucato: so, are you saying drop them a line
[06:14] <Jucato> I doubt they'd reply anyway
[06:14] <stdin> genii: yeah, but I guess it's too much effort for them to change something for a small group of people who use konqueror  (tho the reason more people don't use it is because google etc don't support it)
[06:14] <Jucato> I bet it's one of the most reported/duplicated bugs in bugs.kde.org
[06:14] <stdin> !away > anthronaut|afk
[06:14] <acidBURN> done that
[06:14] <BluesKaj> strange, i'm using konq on the gmail page as we speak ...it's rendering fine
[06:14] <acidBURN> still nothing after 3 months
[06:14] <redlime> Hello
[06:14] <acidBURN> what version of kde
[06:15] <anthronaut|afk> stdin: thanks for the hint, was just about to change it.
[06:15] <acidBURN> BluesKaj: what version of kde
[06:15] <BluesKaj> 357
[06:15] <Jucato> gmail, calendar, and reader all work
[06:15] <acidBURN> very odd
[06:16] <acidBURN> since I'm very current, its not working here
[06:16] <Jucato> docs loads but I can't create/edit
[06:16] <acidBURN> Jucato: see
[06:16] <Jucato> picasaweb doesn't either
[06:16] <redlime> Do you know http://www.newbiesparadise.com/ ?
[06:16] <stdin> most of the google "services" work, but some don't work well
[06:16] <acidBURN> stdin: so its a google and khtml thing ?
[06:17] <tuxinator> hi guys
[06:17] <acidBURN> the question would this be fix in kde 4
[06:17] <tuxinator> can i securely switch on feisty from devfs to udev?
[06:17] <Jucato> acidBURN: mostly a google thing. but yes khtml development needs to be improved a bit too
[06:18] <stdin> acidBURN: it's mostly the khtml is so standards compliant that when web developers make bad code it doesn't work. other browsers accommodate for this bad code and break standards compliance to do so
[06:18] <acidBURN> stdin: I agree, its the acid2 test
[06:19] <BluesKaj> yes acidBURN , there are a couple of probs , the inbox page won't reload with the back button after compsing an email
[06:19] <Jucato> sometimes it sucks to be so standards compliant when the rest of the world is breaking the standars :)
[06:19] <acidBURN> Jucato: agree
[06:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's an issue with javascript/AJAX
[06:20] <acidBURN> So, what do we do, when we need to move with the speed of light
[06:20] <BluesKaj> that's cuz IE is so sloppily done
[06:20] <Jucato> simple: stop moving with the speed of light :)
[06:20] <acidBURN>  :-O
[06:20] <stdin> ask google to stop writing half a**ed code?
[06:21] <acidBURN> stdin: here here
[06:21] <BluesKaj> Jucato, err ajax ?
[06:21] <Jucato> Asynchronous Javascript And XML
[06:21] <Jucato> the whole Web 2.0 hype and stuff
[06:21] <mefisto__> acidBURN: if you want google docs-type features, there are others. eg. www.zoho.com works with konqueror
[06:21] <BluesKaj> asynchronous is right :)
[06:22] <Jucato> it's what most of these "Web 2.0" sites use. there are issues with their implementations, not only in Konqi but in others as well
[06:22] <Jucato> there's no standard basically
[06:22] <acidBURN> mefisto__: you took the words right of out my mouth, find this in the morning
[06:22] <acidBURN> there should be a standard
[06:24] <acidBURN> so I guess, that that... and we may have to use 2 web browser to browse the internet... until  :'(
[06:25] <acidBURN> going to check out zoho.com
[06:25] <mefisto__> having 2 browsers installed is not a bad thing though
[06:25] <acidBURN> mefisto__: to some degree yes, but it would be nicer just using one.
[06:26] <acidBURN> thanks all
[06:26] <BluesKaj> acidBURN,...i was using FF , but I feel safer with Konq... I've heard it's the safest browser...and there must be a fix for you prob
[06:26] <Jucato> anyway... kinda long offtopic conversation :)
[06:26] <acidBURN> BluesKaj: yes it is...
[06:27] <acidBURN> BluesKaj: but safer doesn't always win, sorry to say... :-(
[06:27] <BluesKaj> that really is too bad ..wonder what it could be
[06:28] <acidBURN> Jucato: it may be but, there allot of people whom might be wonder as well..
[06:28] <acidBURN> good day all
[06:29] <ScorpKing> hi der poison--!
[06:29] <BluesKaj> I dumped yahoo after they tried forcing me to use their new mail system
[06:29] <ScorpKing> and hi everyone else. :)
[06:29] <BluesKaj> hi ScorpKing
[06:30] <BluesKaj> hey Angelus
[06:30] <ScorpKing> gmail isn't working in konq for me.
[06:31] <Angelus> sup with you man? :p
[06:32] <Jucato> nvm
[06:33] <Chousuke> hm
[06:33] <Chousuke> I get tearing if I move konsole while beryl is enabled :/
[06:33] <BluesKaj> gotta set that java up , just realized using the "smart" setting in the Global javascript settings doesn't work all the time , so i switched to "allow" and it's rendering the pages
[06:33] <Chousuke> okay, I get tearing with all windows
[06:34] <tuxinator> somebody can explain me difference beetween devfs and "normal" booting?
[06:37] <uga> genii: you rock =)
[06:37] <genii> uga: Hah, got back :)
[06:37] <poison--> yo ScorpKing
[06:37] <poison--> hey genii
[06:37] <uga> genii: actually networking behaves very strange, now in gutsy
[06:38] <genii> poison--: Hiyas
[06:38] <osh_> !printer | osh
[06:38] <ubotu> osh: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:38] <uga> genii: ifup doesn't find eth0 nor eth1, but dhclient and all apps work though eth0
[06:38] <uga> it's very strange
[06:39] <genii> uga: I have yet to install the Marvell driver, i found it while i was at work today on my other box (pk5 se is home machine)
[06:39] <ScorpKing> poison--: what's wrong with samba today? :P
[06:39] <poison--> same thing buddie
[06:39] <genii> uga: Was gonna try it tonight when I got in
[06:40] <uga> genii: good news is that the new gutsy kernel supports sensors
[06:40] <BluesKaj> ScorpKing, you might try to change the default java settings in Konq . I just realized using the "smart" setting in the Global javascript settings doesn't work all the time , so i switched to "allow" and it's rendering the pages
[06:40] <genii> uga: Cool
[06:40] <BluesKaj> om gmail
[06:40] <uga> genii: I was planning on building my own kernel. I knew it was fixed on .22, but then I thought of a full upgrade
[06:41] <uga> so I first installed the kernel image .deb
[06:41] <uga> all fine
[06:41] <uga> and then the rest
[06:41] <genii> hmm
[06:42] <uga> wath out about networking though. Something is broken
[06:42] <uga> it may be related to the avahi thing
[06:42] <genii> AFK, i'm on lunch but they are bugging me for something at work here
[06:42] <uga> okay, "enjoy" it ;)
[06:42] <genii> uga: avahi was my next suspect actually... AFK
[06:42] <poison--> brb
[06:47] <genii> back
[06:48] <genii> uga: At any rate i am going to be doing some extensive testing tonight on that board, i'll let you know tomorrow how it all goes (or not)
[06:48] <BluesKaj> Hi genii, you running gutsy ?
[06:48] <jthomas> good day.  My adept didn't close properly this morning, and now the system says that the DPKG directory is in use.  What do I do to see which process is using that directory?
[06:48] <uga> genii: that'll be great, thanks
[06:49] <genii> BluesKaj: I am running a lot of OS :) Yes, gutsy on a partition of that machine. On this work box, only Feisty
[06:49] <uga> he'll never admit, but his hidden partition boots Hurd ;)
[06:50] <genii> uga: Just curious what ram you have in there. Mine is OCZ ddr2-800
[06:50] <BluesKaj> yeah genii I figured you might be ...what's your recommended method to upgrade from feisty ?
[06:50] <genii> BluesKaj: Backup /home then do a clean install
[06:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, never tried that
[06:51] <genii> BluesKaj: When i tried the upgrade-manager from Feisty to Tribe 5 it caused horrendous dependency issues. I found just a clean cd install the best way
[06:52] <BluesKaj> foolishly i've never learned how to back up my home folder ...I just usually reformat and reinstall everything
[06:53] <jthomas> how do i find which process is using a file or directory?
[06:53] <Petra|> Hello. How I can upgrade to gutsy?
[06:53] <genii> BluesKaj: Just tar it up with permissions intact to some other temporary place, then after clean cd install untar it back with perms again. Same username is important
[06:54] <BluesKaj> jthomas, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:54] <Petra|> using local repo.
[06:54] <uga> genii: corsair ddr-II 800
[06:54] <ScorpKing> ugh, stupid connection :(
[06:54] <genii> Bah they are interrupting my lunch hour again! AFK (work)
[06:55] <deviance> What does Ctrl - Alt - F12 do?
[06:55] <uga> deviance: switches to terminal no. 12
[06:55] <deviance> Oh
[06:55] <deviance> Whoops :P
[06:56] <deviance> Is Ctrl F12 set?
[06:57] <uga> deviance: if you mean if there's any terminal there, no
[06:57] <deviance> Is the shortcut set by default?
[06:57] <uga> some distros use those to display bootup process
[06:57] <uga> deviance: you mean with, or without Alt
[06:57] <deviance> Without
[06:58] <uga> no idea, mine doesn't do anything
[06:58] <deviance> Okay :D How do you display the text on start up instead of the Splash Image? Is there a shortcut for that?
[06:58] <jthomas> BluesKaj: I got it with 'sudo fuser /var/lib/dpkg/* '
[06:58] <Dr_Willis_> i disable that in the grub menu.lst deviance
[06:58] <genii> back
[06:58] <Dr_Willis_> i use the 'nosplash' option
[06:58] <jhutchins> Generally in X Ctrl F[x]  Gives you Desktop [x]  within the GUI, Ctrl-Alt-F[x]  gives you raw console [x] ; switching among raw consoles can be done with jsut Ctrl-F[x] .
[06:59] <uga> deviance: well, I don't think you can, in Kubuntu. Unless you edit the grub config and remove "silent splash" thing
[06:59] <jhutchins> Usually only 6 raw terminals are generated.  Few distributions, but some custom setups, put various logs on F10  & F12.
[06:59] <Dr_Willis_> dont think you can,, then you tell him how to do it. :) heh heh..
[07:00] <Dr_Willis_> Or was he trying to do somthing else specific?
[07:00] <uga> jhutchins: it'd be interesting if some of those terminals always worked without advanced framebuffer modes. Especially on live CDs
[07:00] <Dr_Willis_> one of the first things i do on a new install. disable the splash so i can see the messages, colorize the grub menu. :) and   a few other grub tweaks
[07:00] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis_: I think he considers editing text config files to be "outside the box".
[07:01] <ubuntu_> hi everybody
[07:01] <Dr_Willis_> jhutchins egads! the humanity of it all! - quick make an icon that launches the proper text editor  withj the file loaded. :)
[07:01] <jhutchins> uga: I have no idea what you think you're talking about, traditional consoles are text-only.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis_> Ive had issues with the console-framebuffer  things and some X drivers in the past. I tend to totally disable the framebuffer with nofb in the grub configs also.
[07:01] <uga> jhutchins: I think I'm talking about (does that make sense? =) )  live CDs not working on some machines, and being unable to see error messages
[07:02] <wesley> can you make windows transparant went they move in beryl?
[07:02] <Zsolti> I have just installed kubuntu OS
[07:02] <Dr_Willis_> wesley yes. You got so many options with beryl its scary.
[07:02] <uga> jhutchins: for example, in gutsy, not even vga=791 works... you see a nice splash, but no console is available (gfx mode is broken)
[07:02] <jhutchins> wesley: Beryl in #ubuntu-effects
[07:02] <uga> works fine with the same mode in feisty
[07:03] <Dr_Willis_> theres lots of gutsy issues at this time. :) - im going to wait for Service Pack 1 for it. befor i upgrade... ....
[07:03] <uga> jhutchins: so if there was always some console to monitor the bootup process in kubuntu, especially on the Live CDs, it'd help a lot
[07:03] <jhutchins> uga: Something like that would be hardware dependent; only obtuse people would be messing with vga modes on a live CD.
[07:04] <uga> jhutchins: you're calling me obtuse? not even "Safe graphics" mode works on feisty live CDs
[07:04] <uga> so I am forced to use vga= modes
[07:04] <jhutchins> uga: You are welcome to suggest that as a feature request at http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <kpenrose> Speaking of other (x)consoles: the console pointed to by Alt-Ctrl-F8 on my machine is the text output of the boot-up
[07:04] <Dr_Willis_> cant just disable framebuffer totally eh?
[07:04] <uga> Dr_Willis_: yeah, disabling splash does
[07:04] <uga> Dr_Willis_: that's why I was suggesting splash-free consoles on live CDs...
[07:05] <kpenrose> so if another user starts a new session - it goes to F9.
[07:05] <uga> at least F10 and F12, just like other distros do
[07:05] <jhutchins> uga: The live CD's work fine for the vast majority of people who use them, I do wish you would stop generalising your own problems like that.
[07:05] <uga> jhutchins: I didn't say my problem is general. But it's very wideliy known that tft monitors are rather troublesome since most don't work on many sync modes
[07:05] <uga> or resolutions
[07:05] <jhutchins> uga: Suggesting features here, where the vast majority are users, not developers, isn't terribly effective.  It's a good way to get feedback.
[07:06] <uga> jhutchins: and kubuntu isn't about those 50% percent using common PCs only, right?
[07:06] <jhutchins> Oh, now we're off on the "widely known" problems with tft monitors, are we?
[07:06] <jhutchins> I'm out.
[07:06] <uga> jhutchins: you know, you're lovely
[07:06] <uga> if something doesn't affect you, there needs no fix
[07:07] <BluesKaj> genii,  so i could temporarily tar and store it on my ntfs partition and then retrieve it after the gutsy install ?
[07:08] <uga> BluesKaj: in theory, if there's no bug in the ntfs module, yes ;)
[07:08] <genii> BluesKaj: Yes, but of course due to FS type there being NTFS in this case it will be a couple steps more to put ntfs-3g or so before making the untar
[07:09] <hydrogen> nah
[07:09] <genii> Before rather
[07:09] <hydrogen> you could untar form a readonly fs
[07:09] <hydrogen> you would just need ntfs3g to tar it up in the first place
[07:09] <genii> hydrogen: Yeah, I just caught it
[07:11] <genii> uga: BTW the kubuntu equivelent of #ubuntu+1 is #kubuntu-devel  you may want to bounce around ideas there :)
[07:11] <uga> genii: I never got a single response there
[07:11] <uga> everyone seems busy and dont' care about feedback on bugs
[07:12] <stdin> speak LOUDER :p
[07:12] <uga> lol
[07:12] <genii> stdin: :)
[07:12] <uga> I tried reporting 3 bugs so far
[07:12] <uga> all related to gutys
[07:12] <BluesKaj> I have ntfs-3g and ntfs-config installed
[07:12] <uga> gutsy
[07:12] <uga> genii: and all including fixes...
[07:14] <uga> genii: I really dont' care... my machine is up and working. They'll hit their heads when people begin complaining their new Live CDs dont' work
[07:14] <uga> there's many many bugs in the installer
[07:15] <uga> as some say... you gotta learn walking by falling hard on the floor
[07:15] <Dr_Willis_> life is full of bugs
[07:15] <uga> Dr_Willis_: but some fix them, after known
[07:15] <uga> and the installer is a tiny bit
[07:15] <uga> of the whole thing
[07:16] <stdin> uga: what bugs have you reported?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis_> i got a samba issue in gutsy. and cant even find any other bugs mentioning samba problems.    but i will wait a few more weeks. :)
[07:17] <poison--> nope
[07:18] <poison--> usin feisty here
[07:18] <poison--> did a clean reinstall of smb using root acount
[07:18] <poison--> gonna test now
[07:18] <poison--> sweet
[07:18] <poison--> now it finds all the 34 machines
[07:18] <Dr_Willis_> my issue seems very deep. accessing a windows share always times out.. instantly.. the smbfuse stuff is affected, as well as command line samba tools. and the gui samba browser stuff..  accessing the local samba shares works however. - I still need to do more testing.
[07:18] <poison--> lovely
[07:19] <Dr_Willis_> For all i know its the windows boxs with the problem. but they work under feisty
[07:19] <poison--> well, seems a clean install usin root acount worked for me
[07:20] <uga> stdin: I can't recall which I commented and which not... I know I reported the IDE problem. It works on gutsy install, but not from live CD yet. I also reported the networking bug (although I didn't find a fix back then).  Then there's bugs in the live CD's bootloader, not obbeying settings, the bootup not working in any framebuffer mode, broken lrm packages,...
[07:20] <poison--> cant access my linux share tho trough samba
[07:20] <poison--> lmao
[07:21] <uga> stdin: also default mirrors not properly upgrading...  if it continues this way, everyoone will go nuts on the first install ;)
[07:22] <uga> stdin: I guess you have found out that linux-restricted-module package keeps loading its own non-working nvidia drivers
[07:23] <stdin> uga: I don't use nvidia, so I wouldn't know about that one
[07:23] <uga> it keeps building and loading an nvidia module before Xorg tries to load its own. So no matter how many nvidia drivers you install, it won't work
[07:24] <uga> until you unload the nvidia driver manually and load your new one with modprobe
[07:24] <uga> the only solution is to remove linux-generic and linux-restricted-modules package
[07:24] <uga> or changing the scripts not to do anything
[07:30] <savetheWorld> just noticed this - is it normal for there to be about  4000 lines of bash functions pre-defined for user ?
[07:32] <stdin> savetheWorld: probably all from bash_completion
[07:32] <savetheWorld> stdin: the are bash function, al lwith _ as a leading character, on an account I just logged in as  - so no completions done
[07:33] <stdin> savetheWorld: no it's a package, so you can do something like "apt-g<tab> ins<tab> pack<tab>"
[07:33] <stdin> it completes commands (ie: not just files, but options too)
[07:35] <savetheWorld> _vgport ()
[07:35] <savetheWorld> _vgreduce ()
[07:35] <savetheWorld> _vgremove ()
[07:35] <savetheWorld> _vgrename ()
[07:36] <savetheWorld> stdin - 181 of those, on Centos there are 4.
[07:36] <Siath> Question on Audio - I have "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio" which is best to run it?
[07:36] <savetheWorld> stdin: I have bash completion on both...
[07:37] <Siath> In Windows it had 'reverable' in/out puts and I'd like to have that ability again with Kubuntu...
[07:38] <Siath> agh - reversable.
[07:38] <stdin> savetheWorld: "set|egrep '^_.*'|wc -l" gives me 182 all from bash_completion
[07:38] <stdin> savetheWorld: well, except for "_" from bash itself
[07:38] <Dr_willis> I hear thats doable.. but no idea how under linux. :) Siath. i got an onboard sound now on this new box. and need to look into that someday also.
[07:39] <savetheWorld> stdin: these are not from bash completion.  I dont think.  there are there immediately upon login and I have the same bash completion on Cebtos where none of these exist
[07:39] <savetheWorld> *centos
[07:39] <uga> stdin: uhm, I can't see that "bash-completion" package. Sounds interesting
[07:39] <uga> do you know the real name?
[07:39] <Siath> Dr_willis - so you have a simular setup on your sound - .... which sound manager are you currently using?
[07:40] <Siath> (I have no sound again - and it keeps muting everything on a reboot...
[07:40] <Dr_willis> Siath,  whatever is the default. ive not had to tweak it. Yet. :)
[07:40] <Dr_willis> debeting plugging in my better sound card or not. so far onboard has been ok for me.
[07:40] <Siath> oh - ok - default didn't have no sound... :(
[07:41] <savetheWorld> stdin: OK, found em, you ar right. :-) (but youy knew that.. :-) )
[07:41] <stdin> uga: seem to be a part of the bash package
[07:41] <Siath> I've considered putting my old Aureal Vortex A3d in but erm dunno...
[07:41] <uga> Siath: the service alsa-utils stores values and restores then on bootup
[07:41] <stdin> savetheWorld: ;)
[07:41] <savetheWorld> they are from /etc/bash_completion file
[07:41] <uga> Siath: check /etc/init.d/alsa-util
[07:42] <Siath> uga - then I'll try that (not sure which it's using now..
[07:42] <savetheWorld> 8332 lines!
[07:42] <uga> > restore_levels()
[07:42] <uga> > {
[07:42] <uga> >         [ -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state ]  || return 1
[07:42] <Siath> bash: /etc/init.d/alsa-util: No such file or directory
[07:42] <uga> Siath: check for that file: asound.state
[07:42] <uga> Siath: I missed an "s" at the end
[07:42] <uga> alsa-utils
[07:43] <Siath> This could be the issue... utils... trying that
[07:43] <uga> stdin: uhm. but doesnt' autocomplete apt-<tab> ins<tab> here :(
[07:43] <Siath> hey that got me somewhere - :D Thanx
[07:44] <stdin> uga: do you have /etc/bash_completion? try "source /etc/bash_completion"
[07:44] <uga> Siath: in theory, if you unmute the card, stop that service and start again, it should be fixed
[07:44] <Siath> what's the command line to restart it.
[07:44] <stdin> uga: your .bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc has to be set to source it
[07:44] <uga> stdin: thanks, you're great
[07:44] <Siath> (I've already unmuted...)
[07:45] <trile> help please: i'm booting kubuntu from cd and after 5min i get logon screen, it didn't ask me anything previously so i didn't even make a user. wtf?
[07:45] <uga> stdin: I keep this /home for the last 5 years or so, migrating from distro to distro... :P
[07:45] <linux_> hi all
[07:45] <jimmacdonald> What is the GTK equiv of KDSU?
[07:45] <uga> it'll have been ditched now and then or fixed, but always same
[07:46] <Pitabred> jimmacdonald: gksu, I believe.  Something similar to that.
[07:46] <stdin> jimmacdonald: gksu
[07:46] <stdin> or gksudo both work
[07:46] <yeniklasorr> How can I update kubuntu
[07:46] <Daisuke_Ido> ssh with x forwarding isn't really all that snappy :\  i think i'd be better off running irssi under a screen session
[07:47] <stdin> yeniklasorr: to what? general updates or to another release?
[07:47] <yeniklasorr> general updates
[07:47] <yeniklasorr> my kubuntu is not showing any update :S
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> in fact, this is almost unbearably slow :(
[07:47] <stdin> yeniklasorr: go to KMenu > System > Adept   click Fetch Updates, then click Full Upgrade
[07:48] <stdin> wow I said all that ^ from memory and I don't even use Adept :)
[07:48] <SlimeyPete> Daisuke_Ido: try freenx?
[07:48] <SlimeyPete> supposedly it's faster
[07:48] <SlimeyPete> (I've not tried it)
[07:48] <trile> i'm booting kubuntu from cd and after 5min i get logon screen, it didn't ask me anything previously so i didn't even make a user. wtf?
[07:49] <yeniklasorr> stdin : How can you update from console ?
[07:49] <stdin> trile: that's a liveCD you install from that. See the "Install" icon on the desktop ?
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> trile: that's because you're booting *from cd*
[07:49] <Pitabred> sudo apt-get update
[07:49] <USMarine> trile that's normal
[07:49] <CPrompt^> trile : it's a live CD yes?  it's not loaded anything yet
[07:49] <trile> i don't get to the desktop!!!!!!
[07:49] <trile> of course it's live
[07:49] <genii> yeniklasorr: sudo apt-get update               or  sudo aptitude update
[07:50] <stdin> yeniklasorr: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:50] <Pitabred> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:50] <trile> if i try username: ubuntu it darkens the screen and get me back to logon
[07:50] <yeniklasorr> ok
[07:50] <yeniklasorr> When is releasing this Gutsy Gubbon
[07:51] <stdin> !gutsy | yeniklasorr
[07:51] <ubotu> yeniklasorr: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:52] <trile> how do i get to install it?
[07:52] <Pitabred> In October
[07:52] <Pitabred> That's why it's version 7.10... 2007, 10th month
[07:54] <yeniklasorr> Pitabred : oh interesting thank you :D
[07:54] <trile> anyone?
[07:55] <mefisto__> trile: you're using the livecd and it didn't start up with the desktop?
[07:56] <trile> yes
[07:56] <trile> it asks me user and pass
[07:57] <mefisto__> which version livecd?
[07:57] <trile> feisty
[07:57] <trile> is there a way to skip live and go directly to install
[07:58] <mefisto__> there's an alternate install cd
[07:59] <trile> crap, it will took me a day to down it
[07:59] <mefisto__> trile: you've tried more than once and it never goes to desktop?
[07:59] <trile> about 5 times
[07:59] <trile> as i said it goes to logon screen
[08:00] <mefisto__> is this a graphical logon screen, or just text?
[08:00] <trile> and what the hell are user and pass cause i didn't create one
[08:00] <trile> graph
[08:00] <BluesKaj> I'm doing a gutsy netupgrade - install , revised the sources list to gutsy ...hope it works :)
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> lovely
[08:02] <trile> can i use this live cd to install it and skip live pres.?
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> uh what?
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> skip the livecd part and just do a straight install?
[08:03] <trile> yep
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> for that you'd need the alt. cd
[08:04] <uga> trile: in my own experience, it's possibly better to go straight for the alternate CDs
[08:04] <uga> the safer way
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> heya soulrider
[08:05] <soulrider> hey Daisuke_Ido
[08:05] <soulrider> whats up ?
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not much, loving the laptop (on it now, sshed to the desktop to use irssi from campus)
[08:05] <mefisto__> trile: how did you burn the cd?
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> mefisto__: he already left
[08:06] <uga> mefisto__: only the channel though
[08:06] <uga> he may be there if you privmsg
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that's very possible
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> he's gone completely, looks like
[08:07] <mefisto__> yep
[08:08] <ubuntuhi> hi
[08:09] <emilsedgh> !hi | ubuntuhi
[08:09] <ubotu> ubuntuhi: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:10] <ubuntuhi> can you speak german in the channel ?
[08:10] <kpenrose> anyone using a 64bit only install?  I have in the past and found there were too many things missing to make it worthwhile
[08:10] <mefisto__> it's the kubuntu happiness hour!!!
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> !de | ubuntuhi
[08:10] <ubotu> ubuntuhi: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:10] <uga> stdin: is it normal that when intalling kernel B, it touches menu.lst for kernel A, too? any way to avoid it?
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> remove kernel a
[08:11] <uga> Daisuke_Ido: kernel A is working and got options properly set up to boot
[08:11] <uga> so I'd rather not see it go
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> then why wouldn't you want both options in menu.lst?
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> or am i not understanding the question?
[08:11] <uga> until I test the new kernel, I'd like not to remove the older kernel and options
[08:12] <uga> but installing the new kernel seems to touch the lines of the older kernel
[08:12] <uga> or so I believe it did, here
[08:13] <mefisto__> uga: did it create a backup of menu.lst?
[08:13] <uga> oh, let me check
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> your *best* bet afaik is to copy the lines referencing the kernel with the options you want to keep and putting that outside the "debian automagic kernel config" section
[08:14] <uga> mefisto__: there's a backup, but it may be created by vim
[08:14] <uga> menu.lst~
[08:15] <WeeJeWel> How can I set compiz fusion as default windowmanager, so kwin doesnt even load?
[08:15] <mefisto__> uga: it may have the line you want for the old kernel, or something close to it
[08:15] <uga> mefisto__: oh, I restored it, it's fine now
[08:16] <uga> just that it's not fun if you install a new kernel, reboot an dfind that not even your older kernel boots anymore
[08:16] <jhutchins> Standard method for new kernels is to link the new files to the generic names, which are the default boot, then add specific links in the loader for when the new one rolls out.
[08:16] <x_link> Hi, if I want to upgrade to Gutsy frn Feisty.
[08:16] <x_link> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357 feisty main
[08:16] <x_link> Should I even change that repo to gutsy?
[08:16] <stdin> uga: it regenerates the list, from the options in menu.lst
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> x_link: #ubuntu+1 will help with that
[08:16] <jhutchins> stdin: Those are fairly clearly commented, aren't they?
[08:17] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: Okej, but why #Ubuntu+1?
[08:17] <x_link> I'm using Kubuntu.
[08:17] <uga> stdin: so I need to define a default vga= so that it gets added to any kernel?
[08:17] <stdin> jhutchins: yeah, even I can find my way around it :)
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> because that's the gutsy support channel for all ubuntu flavors, that's why :)
[08:17] <jhutchins> x_link: All the next-gen releases are lumped together.
[08:17] <x_link> Daisuke_Ido: Ohh okej, thanks alot for your help!
[08:17] <jhutchins> x_link: There is kubuntu-devel, but that's more developer chat than beta-tester support.
[08:18] <stdin> uga: yeah, something like "# defoptions=quiet vga=..."
[08:18] <x_link> jhutchins: Okej.
[08:18] <stdin> uga: it could even be added to the "# kopt=" part
[08:18] <uga> jhutchins: if you mean the menu.lst clearly sasys those optiosn will be applied to your kernels after a new one is installed, then no, it's not documented
[08:18] <x_link> Thanks alot!
[08:19] <uga> jhutchins: it only mentions what options do, I understood they apply to all kernels, unless otherwise specified
[08:19] <uga> stdin: thanks. I'll fix those options then, uhm..
[08:20] <uga> it should be noted though, that different kernels may need different options
[08:20] <jimmacdonald> Ok so I had to reboot a machine that hung last night, and now when I got into my home directory (through a GUI, it doesn't show from cmdline) I have files that are named with ?'s marks. Any Idea what caused this and how to fix it?
[08:20] <uga> it's not nice that all those get applied to older kernels when new ones get added
[08:22] <uga> stdin: oh, thanks. reading now the kopt= option
[08:23] <stdin> uga: that can be tuned to be kernel version specific, useful
[08:23] <uga> yup
[08:24] <jimmacdonald> anyone?
[08:26] <uga> uhm... that sounds like a file system restore or so happenned
[08:26] <jimmacdonald> uga: you talking to me?
[08:26] <uga> yes
[08:27] <uga> are those files correct, or do they look like corrupt inside?
[08:27] <jimmacdonald> they are directories and there is nothing in them and they are owned by root.
[08:27] <uga> uhm...
[08:29] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: Files that were open when you rebooted could have become corrupted, but it's more likely the hang was due to a disk error.
[08:29] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: You may want to load the smartmontools.
[08:29] <mefisto__> and you can't get to your home dir from cmdline?
[08:29] <jimmacdonald> yes I can get in just fine....
[08:29] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: You should probably run fdisk on the partition if you haven't already, this can be done with sudo shutdown -F -r now
[08:30] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: Sorry, fsck not fdisk.
[08:30] <jimmacdonald> and when I go to the /home/jim from a term window I don't see them.
[08:30] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: Is this a dual-boot system?
[08:30] <jimmacdonald> wow... that is about as close to format c: as you can get in here....
[08:30] <jimmacdonald> no.
[08:31] <jimmacdonald> it's a brand new box loaded only with ubuntu but I have seen it before on my kubuntu laptop...
[08:31] <uga> jimmacdonald: do you have any file like /var/log/fsck/checkfs?
[08:31] <uga> it may show what happenned
[08:32] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: Sorry, fsck is just filesystem check, not fdisk, not format c:.
[08:32] <uga> jhutchins: thankfully, else all our disks would be... =)
[08:32] <jhutchins> It _probably_ ran when you rebooted the first time, but a second run would be a good idea anyway.
[08:32] <jimmacdonald> jhutchins: I know.. I was refering to the fdisk slip up. :)
[08:33] <uga> jimmacdonald: it sounds like due to the hanging and rebooting, some files got half-written, fsck tried restoring and that's what you get
[08:33] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: Well, fdisk is intelligent not to do anything you don't tell it explicitly to do.
[08:33] <jimmacdonald> I am a unix admin (though I probably shouldn't admit that in here while I am asking for help)
[08:33] <uga> jimmacdonald: if you check the logs at /var/log/fsck, it possibly explains it
[08:33] <uga> jimmacdonald: any sysadmin that claims he knows everything, he's possibly clueless ;)
[08:33] <jimmacdonald> jhutchins: all it says that it was run at the same time as the date on the files I am seeing through the GUI.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> what's curious about it is that they ONLY show in the gui.
[08:34] <uga> jimmacdonald: it may be utf-8 characters
[08:34] <uga> bugging the terminal
[08:34] <jhutchins> jimmacdonald: ls -la might show them.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> uga: agreed... and any admin that works for me that ever said that would be immediately banned.
[08:35] <jimmacdonald> hrmmm... now they show (without an -la)
[08:35] <mefisto__> and the ?'s
[08:36] <jimmacdonald> yup....
[08:36] <mefisto__> they're still there?
[08:36] <jimmacdonald> yup
[08:37] <uga> everyone gets scared at those =)
[08:37] <uga> even the most experienced admins :P
[08:38] <uga> the "what if I'm wrong..." =)
[08:38] <jimmacdonald> I still get scared everytime I run rm -Rf *
[08:38] <jimmacdonald> I am so paranoid about it I ALWAYS run pwd right before I do it.
[08:38] <uga> that's good
[08:39] <uga> I once did ./<tab>... I had missed a char... pressed enter...
[08:39] <uga> and all home was gone
[08:39] <jimmacdonald> ofu@#$
[08:39] <uga> well 50%
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> anyways... I am gonna bounce this boxen and see if they clear that way.
[08:40] <uga> oh, I forgot. If anyone followed my instructions and is trying to remove the dreadful "-rf *" named file, just do rm -- -rf\ \*
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> thanks guys
[08:40] <uga> -=)
[08:41] <stoneagepimp> I'm trying to play m4p files and cannot.  any help please
[08:41] <uga> m4p?
[08:41] <uga> whats' that
[08:41] <uga> mp4? mpeg 4 encoded movie?
[08:41] <stoneagepimp> it's like an mp3
[08:41] <stoneagepimp> audio
[08:41] <uga> okay...
[08:42] <uga> stoneagepimp: give vlc a try
[08:42] <uga> videolan swallows almost anything
[08:42] <uga> even if it's broken
[08:43] <WeeJeWel> guys.. can i change alt+f2 to win+r, so i can get the exec. dialog by pressing that?
[08:43] <uga> win+r? that's a weird combination.... a sec though
[08:44] <stoneagepimp> vlc not working
[08:44] <SlimeyPete> uga: it's the combo that's used on Windows.
[08:44] <WeeJeWel> uga, im used to that since i used windows
[08:44] <uga> WeeJeWel: kcontrol->regional & accessibility->keyboard shortcuts
[08:44] <WeeJeWel> alt f2 causes my fingers to stretch :P
[08:44] <combo> SlimeyPete: what ? :] 
[08:44] <SlimeyPete> ;p
[08:44] <uga> WeeJeWel: under shortcut schemes, look for "run command"
[08:45] <uga> and change it to whatever you please
[08:45] <WeeJeWel> ill take a look, thanks!
[08:45] <uga> stoneagepimp: what does "file foo.m4p" say?
[08:46] <WeeJeWel> argh, it conflicts with compiz hehe
[08:46] <stoneagepimp> i'm pretty new to Linux and I'm not quite sure what you mean
[08:46] <WeeJeWel> now my desk zooms.. :P
[08:46] <uga> WeeJeWel: oh, even better... you can switch to "windows scheme" and it's already set
[08:46] <uga> like you want it
[08:47] <stoneagepimp> i just want to be able to play all my music in one program
[08:48] <WeeJeWel> thanks uga :)
[08:49] <uga> WeeJeWel: btw, I've always wanted in windows to have alt+f2 work...
[08:49] <alex__> salut
[08:49] <WeeJeWel> haha
[08:49] <WeeJeWel> you can actually
[08:49] <alex__> je suis new sur linux et kubuntu
[08:49] <uga> I didnt' know win+r either
[08:49] <WeeJeWel> make a shortcut and assign it
[08:50] <WeeJeWel> alex__, try #kubuntu-fr
[08:50] <stdin> !fr | alex__
[08:50] <ubotu> alex__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:53] <uga> stdin: je suis parle franoise, I can help french girls ;)
[08:53] <uga> if that makes any sense in french, I'll have been very lucky ;)
[08:53] <USMarine> je parles
[08:54] <uga> argh, I always forget that there's extra letters unpronounced
[08:54] <uga> and suis... (I) am... me silly
[08:54] <USMarine> you said: i am speak
[08:54] <stdin> uga: dsol, je ne parle pas franais :)
[08:54] <uga> USMarine: yeah, thanks for the correction. Had I thought a little bit more... =)
[08:54] <uga> stdin: I don't either ;)
[08:54] <USMarine> i doubt you can help french girls with that french
[08:54] <uga> I can read it jsut fine though
[08:54] <WeeJeWel> aren't you french people getting toried of typing letters with stripes on them? =P
[08:54] <uga> USMarine: geeks don't need speaking to fix boxes ;)
[08:55] <uga> my best ever sysadmin would say "hello", sit, and fix it in less than 1 minute
[08:55] <uga> just a single word needed
[08:55] <uga> and most the times not even that, since he'd remote fix
[08:56] <MacZtttlkwork> Hi there!
[08:56] <uga> now... he was unable to work if I didn't close the kde session down
[08:56] <uga> that was so funny... unable to work on any gui ;))
[08:56] <MacZtttlkwork> I got a strange question today: I used to love Gnome Fish (though being a KDE-lover...:-O) years ago. Where can I get it again? Can it run over KDE? I have nosthalgia!! and morria!! I miss the gnome fish!
[08:57] <uga> MacZtttlkwork: there was a fish applet for kde too
[08:57] <uga> under kdetoys or so
[08:58] <MacZtttlkwork> with those funny quotes?
[08:58] <MacZtttlkwork> kfish?
[08:58] <MacZtttlkwork> is it? yuhu!
[08:58] <uga> no idea about quotes
[08:58] <uga> yes, kfish - fish panel applet for KDE
[08:59] <uga> MacZtttlkwork: if it doesn't do quotes though, feel free to add it to the pack =)
[09:00] <uga> I don't think coding such a feature should be hard
[09:00] <jetsaredi1> anyone have experience with bluetooth mice?
[09:00] <MacZtttlkwork> uga: I will do so when I have finished learning how to program a fish :P
[09:00] <jetsaredi1> I just upgraded my kernel to the 2.6.22-12 version that came out last night and now my mouse seems to have gone away
[09:01] <jetsaredi1> I rebooted onto the new kernel and I can't get bluez to connect to the mouse anymore
[09:01] <MacZtttlkwork> (I don't have any coding skills but things could change in a near future!)
[09:01] <uga> MacZtttlkwork: it doesn't do quotes, btw
[09:01] <uga> MacZtttlkwork: oh, do you know a little bit of c++?
[09:01] <uga> just a little
[09:02] <uga> nobody's born knowing programming a language, but it's not hard to learn. And Qt is very very well documented
[09:02] <MacZtttlkwork> no I don't... and now I'm very busy with my studies but if a get some free time I'd like to learn from some good tutorial or so.
[09:02] <uga> heh okay
[09:03] <MacZtttlkwork> is it very hard to do yourself? I used to program in basic with microsoft's Qbasic heheheh
[09:03] <jetsaredi1> eep
[09:03] <uga> no, not very hard. Although I had the advantage of being taught C at uni
[09:03] <uga> I learnt c++ on my own
[09:03] <uga> then Qt ...
[09:03] <uga> and kde
[09:04] <hsystem-x> This is not a general chat...
[09:04] <hsystem-x> go to kubuntu offtopic.
[09:04] <uga> there's a nice book if you know C... "thinking in c++"
[09:04] <uga> uhm... true
[09:05] <MacZtttlkwork> sorry
[09:05] <MacZtttlkwork> Anyway the chat it's quite calm.
[09:05] <vincent_> hi all
[09:06] <MacZtttlkwork> hi
[09:06] <uga> what happenned... konvi crashed here :/
[09:08] <rrs> hi
[09:08] <rrs> anyone online??
[09:08] <denise> hi i have kopete messenger and was wondering if anyone knows how to ignore people for good
[09:08] <ScorpKing> no
[09:09] <dasKreech> !hi
[09:09] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:09] <denise> im not that good with computers came from using windows xp
[09:09] <rrs> hmm but you can put this in the settings of kopete
[09:09] <dasKreech> denise: what protocol?
[09:09] <rrs> if you right klick a user if i renember right
[09:10] <denise> yes you can ignore them but they can still im you
[09:10] <MacZtttlkwork> if you are using msn procotol you can do it by right clicking the contact and then selecting the option
[09:10] <dasKreech> You can right cliick and go to the user properties and ignore
[09:10] <MacZtttlkwork> gtg bye!
[09:10] <denise> i only want to talk to people on my list
[09:10] <denise> i dont want people cybering with me
[09:10] <dasKreech> ICQ?
[09:10] <denise> kopete yahoo
[09:10] <denise> yahoo
[09:11] <rrs> this is a yahoo problem
[09:11] <rrs> not a kopete... you have the same problem when you use the official yahoo client
[09:11] <denise> i tryed to download just yahoo because i dont need all those other ones
[09:12] <rrs> you must make sure that in you yahoo account you have not activated "others may see my nick"
[09:12] <dasKreech> denise: How are they finding you?
[09:12] <denise> no i did not have the problem with just yahoo messenger because i could put in settings just people on my list talk to me
[09:12] <denise> threw yahoo profile
[09:12] <rrs> yes but anyhow you must change your yahoo profile
[09:13] <rrs> then they do not see you
[09:13] <dasKreech> rrs: I think she said she did
[09:13] <dasKreech> assuming that denise is a she
[09:13] <ScorpKing> you can stop them from seeing when you are online
[09:13] <rrs> and then the setting "just user on my list" is not necessary anymore
[09:13] <denise> yes im a shee
[09:13] <dasKreech> Just checking :)
[09:14] <rrs> my girl also told me first that this is a kopete problem as she is a windofs user
[09:14] <rrs> then I changed her settings in yahoo and .... boooom.... no more  fredericos
[09:14] <rrs> carlos and other latinos that wanted to meet her
[09:15] <denise> ok i found it thanks
[09:15] <rrs> your welcome
[09:16] <mefisto__> so denise, what are you wearing right now? :P (just kidding)
[09:16] <dasKreech> !women | mefisto__
[09:16] <ubotu> mefisto__: The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:16] <dasKreech> !coc | mefisto__
[09:16] <ubotu> mefisto__: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[09:16] <rrs> but when we talk about kopete... anyone has kopete working with webcam?
[09:16] <dasKreech> rrs: I do
[09:17] <rrs> ah good dasKreech
[09:17] <rrs> German?
[09:17] <dasKreech> rrs: A german Webcam? Niet!
[09:17] <rrs> lol
[09:17] <rrs> sprichst du Deutsch?
[09:17] <dasKreech> A little
[09:17] <dasKreech> But first did you install libjasper?
[09:18] <rrs> ok then english... my websphere webcam
[09:18] <rrs> is not working... did you need any special steps?
[09:18] <rrs> hmm
[09:18] <dasKreech> I had to install libjasper-runtime
[09:18] <rrs> i check
[09:18] <ubuntu> hello
[09:18] <dasKreech> then restart kopete
[09:19] <ubuntu> please i have some problem
[09:19] <rrs> yes i installed it
[09:19] <rrs> if i am on the device tab it is black
[09:19] <ubuntu> i am working now in the live cd
[09:19] <rrs> i can select orbit quickcam
[09:19] <rrs> but it shows.... nada
[09:20] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: what is your problem?
[09:20] <rrs> i know the webcam works with other programs
[09:20] <ubuntu> my problem is : i hav make some modification on menu.lst of my linux partition
[09:21] <ScorpKing> and what now?
[09:21] <ubuntu> and when i restar my computer i cannot enter in linux workstation
[09:21] <rrs> dasKrech your still here?
[09:21] <ScorpKing> what is the error?
[09:21] <ubuntu> i want you to help my to modifiy it again for restoration
[09:22] <uga> dasKreech: remember... the correct question isn't "did you..?" else the answer is always "yes" of course. The correct question is "what did you do?"
[09:22] <dasKreech> rrs: I don't know I never checked that setting I just went to someone and ran the webcam and they could see it
[09:22] <dasKreech> rrs: have you read the webcam wiki?
[09:22] <dasKreech> !webcam
[09:22] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:22] <rt_> !de
[09:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:22] <rrs> ok thanks anyway....
[09:22] <uga> dasKreech: sorry, I was reading the backlog and reading the part "yes, she said she did" =)
[09:22] <ubuntu> the error is : error 11 Unrecongnized device string
[09:22] <ScorpKing> !paste | ubuntu
[09:22] <ubotu> ubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:23] <dasKreech> uga: Yes!
[09:23] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: can you paste the menu.lst file?
[09:23] <dasKreech> rrs: can You see it on lspci ?
[09:24] <rrs> you mean lsusb
[09:24] <rrs> it is an usb device... yes I can see it there
[09:24] <ubuntu> scorpking : no i can't
[09:24] <rrs> the cam i working correctly
[09:24] <ubuntu> because i dont know how to,do it
[09:24] <rrs> but seems not to work with kopete
[09:25] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: can you remember what you changed?
[09:26] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: He's mis-typed a device label.
[09:26] <ubuntu> i have just delete some name
[09:26] <ScorpKing> :)
[09:26] <ubuntu> like "other OS"
[09:26] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: You may need to walk him through accessing the menu.list from the live CD
[09:27] <ubuntu> and "Ubuntu (genirc.."
[09:27] <ScorpKing> ok. will do
[09:27] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: go to konsole
[09:27] <ubuntu> ok
[09:28] <ubuntu> i precise that i am in the liveCD bcause i cannot enter in my linux worstation
[09:28] <ScorpKing> i know
[09:29] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: in konsole type sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt
[09:29] <ubuntu> jhutchins: your are right
[09:30] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
[09:31] <ubuntu> this is the error when it tape sudo mount...
[09:31] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: ls /dev/ | grep hd
[09:31] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: and tell me what hd* you see.
[09:32] <ubuntu> watchdog
[09:32] <ubuntu> that is the answer of the commande ls /dev...
[09:33] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: ls /dev/ | grep sd ?
[09:33] <ScorpKing> hiya genii :P
[09:34] <poison--> hey Scorpio
[09:34] <ScorpKing> hi poison--! got samba working?
[09:34] <poison--> gettin this weird erros while booting with live cd of gutsy in a laptop
[09:34] <ubuntu> i see: ptysd, sda, sda1, sda2, sda3 ,sda4, sda5, ttysd
[09:34] <poison--> yes, i reinstalled it with root in recovery mode
[09:34] <poison--> works fine atm
[09:34] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[09:35] <ScorpKing> ah
[09:35] <poison--> now the issue is: while booting with live cd, it says my realtek 8139C+ is not correct, to try to use 8139too instead
[09:35] <poison--> and stops the boot
[09:35] <ubuntu> linux partition is sda3
[09:35] <ScorpKing> then mount sda3
[09:35] <poison--> is there any cmd to stop it from detect the lan card?
[09:36] <ubuntu> ok it is all right
[09:36] <ScorpKing> i have 7sec + lag sometimes. will be back if i loose the connection. :(
[09:36] <ubuntu> when i tape sudo mount /dev...
[09:36] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: it's mounted?
[09:37] <ubuntu> yes
[09:37] <genii> poison--: Can you ctrl-alt-f1 or so to a console? If yes then you can modprobe -r 8139C+ ; modprobe 8139too
[09:37] <poison--> lemme check
[09:37] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: kdesu /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:37] <ubuntu> how to verifiy it ?? if it is corected mounted??
[09:38] <stdin> ScorpKing: put "kate" in there
[09:38] <ScorpKing> wait
[09:38] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:38] <ScorpKing> :)
[09:38] <ScorpKing> mount
[09:38] <ScorpKing> lol. :P
[09:38] <ubuntu> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[09:39] <poison--> genii, nutin, it just freezes
[09:39] <ubuntu> when it tape kdesu /boot/grub/..
[09:39] <poison--> it seems the chip is 8139cp and gutsy wants to use 8139C+ instead
[09:40] <genii> poison--: I'd suggest from the alternate CD then, you can get to a busybox command prompt there for such things on consoles 2 and 3 (4 streams install output)
[09:40] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: you know how to use vi ?
[09:40] <ubuntu> no but nano
[09:40] <ScorpKing> thanks BluesKaj.
[09:40] <ubuntu> i know it
[09:40] <mefisto__> you can just type sudoedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:41] <BluesKaj> 15secs to me ScorpKing
[09:41] <poison--> gonna test the OEM way then
[09:41] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:41] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: i'll remember that one :)
[09:42] <litb> hello
[09:42] <litb> can someone of you confirm a buf i found in the logout dialog on my (non-kubuntu system) ?
[09:42] <litb> they used your patch of the dialog, so i ask here
[09:43] <rrs> hey guys... what webcam prog do you use?
[09:43] <litb> i could then fire a bugreport against kubuntu bug database
[09:43] <ubuntu> it open it but there is nothing
[09:44] <ScorpKing> is there a way ubuntu can automatically recreate the menu.lst file?
[09:44] <ABOMINIUS> reinstalling grub?
[09:44] <ScorpKing> !grub
[09:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:44] <mefisto__> does update-grub do it?
[09:44] <ubuntu> how to make it
[09:44] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: look at the links ^
[09:45] <jhutchins> litb: It is better to file bugs with kubuntu and let the kubuntu team push them back to kde if necessary.
[09:45] <ubuntu> ok what can i do to update it
[09:45] <ABOMINIUS> ubuntu: CLICK on the links
[09:45] <ubuntu> ok
[09:46] <ScorpKing> hi der bigleon!
[09:46] <blix> I have a question
[09:46] <ScorpKing> !ask
[09:46] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:46] <pc40> where are the files downloaded from apt-get update stored ?
[09:47] <blix> can i upgrade to the latest Ubuntu version from 6.06 LTS without reinstalling?
[09:47] <blix> must I create another partition?
[09:47] <jhutchins> pc40: Normally they're deleted after a successful install.
[09:47] <ScorpKing> pc40: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:48] <jhutchins> pc40: Or are you after the updated package lists?
[09:48] <litb> jhutchins: it is not a kde bug
[09:48] <ScorpKing> pc40: i think you would find apt-move of some use. take a look
[09:48] <pc40> apt-get update not apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:48] <jhutchins> blix: Yes, you can update.
[09:48] <litb> it is a bug of kubuntus' logout dialog or the logout dialog of the patched kde here ( patch originally form kubuntu)
[09:48] <pc40> the answer to my question is /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:48] <litb> so i wanted to confirm it is also in original kubuntu
[09:49] <blix> how?
[09:49] <blix> is there an easy way of doing it?
[09:50] <shukty> hi, i m looking for a tutorial to setup my guardog tnx 4 replay
[09:50] <blix> what's guardog?
[09:50] <blix> is that some firewall?
[09:51] <jhutchins> blix: It's possible to just change the repos to the new distro in your source list, then do update && upgrade, but that's a last resort; try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:51] <uga> blix: a frontend to iptables
[09:51] <uga> with a few confusing options imho
[09:51] <uga> I'd rather use shorewall always
[09:51] <ScorpKing> !firewall
[09:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:51] <jhutchins> shorewall's overkill for a home system.
[09:52] <uga> jhutchins: uhm, home systems include lots of things nowadays ;)
[09:52] <shukty> i already set up an external iptables but i wonna to use it on my guardog ..  i read somewhere u can import it from an external file ... [ my trouble it's here ]  :(
[09:53] <uga> jhutchins: anyway, I used to like guarddog, but then I found some settings didn't do what I thought they did
[09:53] <naxa> hi
[09:53] <uga> jhutchins: especially about custom ports etc
[09:53] <uga> and defaults
[09:54] <uga> I wonder if kmyfirewall is still being actively coded
[09:54] <naxa> hi! How can I set auto-login in kubuntu?
[09:56] <mefisto__> naxa: system settings > advanced > login manager > convenience
[09:57] <soc_> hi
[09:57] <soc_> is there a place where i can set my dpi?
[09:57] <uga> soc_: in xorg.conf, you can define monitor width and height
[09:57] <uga> and it will calculate dpi
[09:58] <uga> DisplaySize width height
[09:58] <uga> This optional entry gives the width and height, in millimetres, of the picture area of the monitor. If given this is used to calculate the horizontal and vertical pitch (DPI) of the screen.
[09:58] <soc_> ah ok
[09:58] <soc_> because i set it in gnome to the correct 90 dpi, but kde doesn't seem to get it ...
[09:59] <waylandbill_> soc_: there is a setting in system settings that can set it to 96 dpi.
[09:59] <soc_> everything is too small
[10:02] <lnx_> how i can install kde4 on kubuntu 7.04 ?
[10:02] <martijn81> lnx_:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php but i do not get it to work nicely
[10:02] <uga> lnx_: you really don't want that...
[10:02] <mefisto__> uga: where does DisplaySize go? in the "Monitor" section?
[10:03] <uga> mefisto__: yes
[10:03] <uga> mefisto__: full info here, btw http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html
[10:04] <uga> btw, if you still keep the monitor's manuals, it'll possibly tell about sync frequencies, monitor size, etc
[10:04] <uga> so you don't need to fiddle with values and rulers
[10:05] <lnx_> uga , what is wrong ?
[10:05] <uga> lnx_: kde4 isn't usable as it is. It's not meant to be
[10:06] <uga> it's completely broken. Just wait till Xmas ;)
[10:06] <lnx_> what is xmas ?
[10:06] <uga> Christmas
[10:06] <uga> end of December
[10:06] <mefisto__> hehehe
[10:06] <mefisto__> how do you install xmas?
[10:06] <uga> lol
[10:07] <uga> apt-get install xmas? =)
[10:07] <lnx_> more than 3 mounths :(
[10:07] <uga> lnx_: yup, but if you are a good boy, Santa will bring you a cuuute desktop in your huge sock ;)
[10:08] <poison--> arghhhhhhhhh
[10:08] <stdin> _if_ it's ready by then
[10:08] <enjoi1216> hey kkathman you got a copy i need some help with my system again
[10:08] <stdin> and that's one big "if"
[10:08] <poison--> genii, no luck at all
[10:08] <uga> hehe, it'll be readier than now ;)
[10:08] <poison--> inst there any line i can add to boot options?
[10:08] <poison--> dat disables lan card detection or sumtin
[10:08] <stdin> uga: running the svn version is niiiiiiice tho :D
[10:08] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  a copy of what?
[10:08] <enjoi1216> it's a radio saying
[10:09] <uga> stdin: I svn upped yesterday, but somebody seems to have removed the plasma kicker replacement
[10:09] <lnx_> i dont want to wait , but i will if kde 4 is not so different than kde 3  . . . so its have alot new things or just some new futures has been added ?
[10:09] <uga> stdin: so no that nice ;)
[10:09] <enjoi1216> like they say over the raio or a cd
[10:09] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  radio setting?
[10:09] <uga> at least styles are fxed now
[10:09] <enjoi1216>  you got ye ears on
[10:09] <genii> back
[10:09] <stdin> uga: all the plasma stuff is in playground/base
[10:09] <uga> wb genii
[10:09] <enjoi1216> it's a country joke kkathman
[10:09] <genii> uga: Heh
[10:10] <uga> stdin: what??? and what is kdebase meant to contain now... no kicker even?
[10:10] <enjoi1216> you know like worsh them clothes
[10:10] <genii> poison--: You went to busybox and tried swapping the eth drivers?
[10:10] <uga> stdin: there were pieces of plasma in kdebase before, at least
[10:10] <stdin> uga: yeah kicker is dead, long live plasma
[10:10] <uga> some minimals
[10:10] <uga> stdin: you aren't understanding... the replacement of the kicker... the plasma bar... was in kdebase
[10:10] <stdin> uga: plasma itself is in kdebase/workspace but the plasmoids are all in playground/base
[10:10] <uga> now it's not installed, or it's not working anymore
[10:10] <enjoi1216> anyway kkathman how do i get my trash bin back on my taskbar
[10:11] <enjoi1216> or back on my desktop \
[10:11] <stdin> uga: they aren't "stable" enough to be in kdebase right noe
[10:11] <stdin> *now
[10:11] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  you want it on the desktop or panel?
[10:11] <uga> stdin: I know. but the new "kicker" was, and was working before
[10:11] <poison--> genii, coudnt ewven find how to go to busybox
[10:11] <poison--> with gutsy alternative
[10:11] <enjoi1216> either one will be fine
[10:11] <uga> stdin: now not even the playground one is ;)
[10:11] <poison--> ahahahahha
[10:12] <poison--> im at the boot menu atm, where do i get that box
[10:12] <ubuntu> ScorpKing : it take long time !!!!
[10:12] <enjoi1216> like teach me how to do it
[10:12] <stdin> uga: right now, I'm running kde4s kwin and plasma on kde3x
[10:13] <genii> poison--: The same as always, use alt-functionkey where in this case is f2 or f3  then "enter" for busybox
[10:13] <enjoi1216> geni can you give me three wishes
[10:13] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  actually you dont need a trash bin
[10:14] <enjoi1216> yeah but help me to get it back on there kkathman
[10:14] <genii> enjoi1216: You're thinking of a djinni
[10:14] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  right click on your kicker panel, choose applet and choose trash
[10:15] <enjoi1216> kkathman you could be a linux specialist
[10:15] <mefisto__> kkathman: and how do you put it on the desktop?
[10:15] <kkathman> mefisto__:  thats a big more tricky actually
[10:16] <mefisto__> yes, I don't know how to do it
[10:16] <kkathman> mefisto__:  but its a matter of setting a short cut to your home Trash location
[10:16] <enjoi1216> ok how how to i add it to the desktop kkathman
[10:16] <mefisto__> kkathman: ok I got it
[10:16] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  why do you want it both places?
[10:16] <enjoi1216> that way i know the other way of how to do it
[10:17] <enjoi1216> no i want to learn that way in case i accidentally delete something i'll know hwo to do it
[10:18] <kkathman> I hate having the trash can on my desktoip
[10:18] <kkathman> desktop
[10:18] <enjoi1216> and thats another thing kkathman when i installed Kubuntu it put my trash bin on the right hand side of my clock
[10:18] <kkathman> yes thats the place - you can move it tho
[10:18] <kkathman> trash is an applet
[10:19] <cute_bettong> is it possible to get the nv driver to use openGL?
[10:19] <kkathman> wonder if we have a factoid?
[10:19] <kkathman> !trash
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:19] <kkathman> ahh guess not
[10:19] <kkathman> heh
[10:19] <jhutchins> !nvidia | cute_bettong
[10:19] <ubotu> cute_bettong: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:19] <jhutchins> cute_bettong: I believe you need the actual nvidia driver for opengl.
[10:19] <enjoi1216> how do i move it back where it was kkathman
[10:20] <enjoi1216> thats all i'm really trying to figure out
[10:20] <cute_bettong> ok when you say actual do you mean  as in the driver from www.nvidia.com or the driver from the kubuntu package manager?
[10:20] <hsystem-x> cute_bettong, you might actually want to install ENVY, and let him install the latest nvidia drivers for you.
[10:20] <kkathman> enjoi1216: http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[10:20] <kkathman> I knew I had that link somewhere :)
[10:21] <mefisto__> enjoi1216: right-click desktop, create new > link to location (URL). then for the url, put in trash:/
[10:21] <cute_bettong> ENVY where do i get this? and will it screw up my system o.o
[10:21] <mariusz> i can' use konuqeror
[10:21] <Karti> Hi all, anyway I get Amorak or Kb3 to rip cds to mp3 rather than .oggs - many thanks for your help :)
[10:22] <kkathman> Karti:  really consider using ogg, its actually much better
[10:22] <tatrix> 
[10:22] <tatrix>  ,    ?
[10:23] <cute_bettong> hsystem-x: hey where can i get this Envy app? o.o
[10:23] <cute_bettong> im new to kubuntu o.o
[10:23] <Karti> kkathman: I love .ogg but I'm stuck with a mp3 player that will not take them (need to use WIndows :( ) and its to burn tracks that I have paid for from CDs as its all about licencing with ITunes and Windows etc
[10:23] <uga> Karti: you don't need amarok to rip CDs at all!
[10:24] <kkathman> Karti:  easily fixed - burn your itunes to a cd, then reextract them in ogg format
[10:24] <Karti> uga: I have cds with music on them I need to store in my central drive for safety
[10:24] <uga> Karti: if you digg a music CD in konqueror, it'll show "folders" containing oggs, mp3s...
[10:24] <uga> just copy and paste
[10:24] <uga> no need to run amarok
[10:25] <uga> it's a feature I just love in konqueror
[10:25] <hsystem-x> cute_bettong, http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/nvidia/scripts/envy_0.9.7-0ubuntu11_all.deb
[10:25] <jhutchins> Karti: There are a number of rippers for CD's that don't already have the digital formats on them, but are ordinary iso9660 CD's.
[10:26] <Karti> kkathman: I have them in ogg to play on my PC but my portable mp3 player will only accept them in mp3 or wma. But I would rather copy them from my linux box so that they are free of their restrictions
[10:26] <hsystem-x> cute_bettong, btw more info in: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[10:26] <Karti> uga - I just like Amorak
[10:26] <uga> Karti: how can you like something you can't even spell ;))
[10:26] <uga> A-m-a-r-o-k ;P
[10:27] <Karti> uga: busy day at work watching computers.....at least I've got your support ;)
[10:27] <kkathman> not sure how copying them from an open source makes them free of restrictions - you must be brainwashed :)
[10:27] <uga> Karti: btw, dolphin does that nicely too
[10:27] <jhutchins> uga: Then again, if it's a conventional music CD, none of that happens.  It's not the browsers, it's the CD.
[10:27] <mefisto__> uga: dolphin does what?
[10:28] <jhutchins> mefisto__: Shows him the pre-ripped files on some modern CD's.
[10:28] <jhutchins> Many CD's are being released that way now.
[10:28] <Karti> kkathman: Generally when they are saved to cd as Wavs all restrictions are lost but I want to take the Wav and change to MP3 on my Linux box, was hoping that it could be done in Amarok or K3b
[10:28] <jhutchins> Karti: There are plugins for both, and stand-alone tools like kaudiocreator.
[10:28] <uga> Karti: http://www.telefonica.net/web/ugarro/rip.png
[10:29] <uga> mefisto__: ^^
[10:29] <uga> jhutchins: have a check and then say
[10:29] <uga> it's a conventional CD in that screenie
[10:29] <uga> old feature in KDE
[10:29] <jhutchins> I show "Sound Juicer CD Extractor" on my menu
[10:29] <kkathman> Karti  well again, Im not sure why you want to change wav to MP3 on your linux box - change to ogg and play with a native player.  If you are making a CD that a portable disk player has to play, and it only plays mp3s then I understand
[10:30] <kkathman> uga - I am struggling with what Dolphin has that Konqueror doesnt wrt file management ?
[10:30] <uga> jhutchins: just enter the CD as if it were any normal CD, and it should show folders. Maybe part of kdemultimedia needs to be installed?
[10:30] <jhutchins> Gee, a gui of a filetree.  That certainly proves something.  What, I don't know.
[10:30] <jhutchins> uga: Or the CD has to have the filetree on it.  Many do.
[10:30] <uga> jhutchins: nono, it's a kioslave doing this with any CD
[10:31] <mefisto__> uga: how do you get dolphin to show two sidebars?
[10:31] <uga> it's not any special CD
[10:31] <uga> jhutchins: there should be some option in the sidebar for that, too
[10:31] <uga> kkathman: in the kde4 version, sanity
[10:31] <uga> kkathman: much more simple to understand for n00bs
[10:31] <kkathman> lol
[10:32] <Karti> kkathman: I want them in MP3 as they will be accessed by other PCs in the house all running WIndows Media from a networked drive
[10:32] <uga> kkathman: in the kde3 version.... I can't suggest it
[10:32] <kkathman> ahh maybe so...Ive looked at Dolphin, but it looks so much like Konq I couldnt see why your'd use it
[10:32] <kkathman> Karti I believe that WMP will play ogg files
[10:32] <uga> kkathman: one thing you'll notice is the lack of any url bar
[10:32] <mefisto__> kkathman: dolphin has never crashed on me. that's why I use it.
[10:32] <Karti> uga: Also I recall seeing that when I explored the cd.....*goes to look again, in the hope he's not checking my spelling*
[10:33] <kkathman> uga lol well thats unfortunate for FTP kinds of things
[10:33] <uga> Karti: =)
[10:33] <kkathman> mefisto__:  and Konq file manager has?
[10:33] <naxa> hi I have a huge problem with adept manager!
[10:33] <mefisto__> kkathman: yes
[10:33] <uga> kkathman: again... that's the point. konqueror is meant to do ftp, not dolphin
[10:33] <jhutchins> uga: what path do you suggest to show this magick extractor tool?
[10:33] <kkathman> mefisto__:  ahh ok - hmm well I never had any probs here
[10:33] <uga> kkathman: don't ask me, I always liked konqui
[10:33] <kkathman> hehe
[10:34] <kkathman> yeah Konq kinda gives you that all in one thing
[10:34] <jhutchins> uga: 'cause I just loaded an audio CD, and it's not mounted anywhere.
[10:34] <kkathman> I dont use it as a browser tho
[10:34] <naxa> i installed something, it stopped installing, i checked and there was an error so i killed adept manager and turned off computer. after that i cannot use adept manager anymore! it says i wont perform tasks, since another installation is running! what should i do?
[10:34] <uga> jhutchins: in dolphin, just go to media:/ and click on the CD
[10:35] <uga> a sec... checking konqui... I believe it's same
[10:35] <Karti> kkathman: Not version 11 (or is it 10) that I have
[10:35] <jhutchins> uga: No CD there.
[10:35] <jhutchins> uga: Let me throw it in the DVD just for fun.
[10:35] <uga> uh? music CDs should show up with an icon of a music CD there
[10:36] <Karti> All: thanks for the pointers
[10:36] <uga> jhutchins: reading as "audio CD"
[10:36] <jhutchins> Interesting.  The CDR didn't do anything with it, but the DVD does.
[10:37] <mefisto__> naxa: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:37] <uga> jhutchins: http://www.telefonica.net/web/ugarro/media.jpg
[10:37] <uga> that's where I click on the audio CD and get the list
[10:37] <jhutchins> Dude, I can make up screenshots with the gimp.
[10:38] <uga> jhutchins: dude, if you can't trust my screenies, best don't ask me
[10:38] <jhutchins> I wonder if this is a DVD feature?  Hasn't shown up before on CD/CD-R systems.
[10:38] <jhutchins> and like I said, doesn't happen on the CD-R drive here.
[10:38] <uga> jhutchins: it's an old feature in kde. You can ask #kde-devel or even better #kde, and be sure
[10:39] <mefisto__> uga: how do you get dolphin to show two sidebars?
[10:39] <naxa> mefisto__: it says "unknown option: -o" I didn't write -o!!!
[10:39] <uga> mefisto__: no idea, ask the gutsy devels
[10:39] <jhutchins> Definitely doesn't happen with the CD-R.
[10:39] <mefisto__> uga: ahh
[10:39] <uga> jhutchins: maybe because it's rewriteable? what I showed was an original CD
[10:39] <uga> not a copy
[10:40] <mefisto__> naxa: the option should be -a not -o
[10:40] <naxa> mefisto__: THIS is the problem! I WROTE -a !!!!!
[10:40] <naxa> How could it be?
[10:40] <uga> mefisto__: I really dislike kde3's dolphin anyway... kde4's is rather sane, but this thing is messy
[10:40] <naxa> I'm sure that I wrote -a and definietly not -o!
[10:41] <naxa> This is _very_ strange!
[10:41] <naxa> Sorry for yelling...
[10:41] <mefisto__> naxa: if you "up arrow" it should show you the command you typed
[10:41] <kkathman> Karti:  I just played an ogg file on my windows XP box using WMP 11
[10:41] <jhutchins> uga: Yeah, pressed CD ca1994, may be a problem with the CD-R drive.
[10:41] <naxa> mefisto__: yes, thanks! :) I'm using linux for 5 years, I'm just not a very advanced user... I typed -a, ok? :)
[10:42] <jhutchins> uga: Well, at least that tells me what "old" means to you.
[10:42] <naxa> mefisto__: sorry, this was not intended to be rude, it's just my english
[10:42] <jhutchins> uga: You are right, it is a current feature, at least with DVD drives.
[10:42] <uga> jhutchins: old means that my 6 year old laptop did that back 4+ years ago
[10:42] <uga> jhutchins: when my laptop got no DVD drive
[10:42] <uga> just a CD recorder
[10:43] <mefisto__> naxa: try starting adept, see if it works now
[10:43] <Karti> kkathman: I tried earlier and it would not. Can't look at the moment as its updating its music files and folders
[10:43] <mefisto__> naxa: your english is fine. relax :)
[10:43] <uga> jhutchins: P3 1Ghz 256MB ramn
[10:43] <kkathman> Dont know what the differences would be...Im on Win XP SP2 with WMP 11
[10:43] <uga> definetely not new ;)
[10:43] <uga> KDE3 feature though, not KDE2.x
[10:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> kkathman: something not working?
[10:43] <naxa> mefisto__: Oh, I now! I mistyped but not the -a thing, but i typed "-configure" and not "--configure"! This gave me the strange error with -o somehow.
[10:43] <kkathman> I just copied an .ogg file from /usr/share/sounds
[10:44] <Karti> naxa: Just don't let uga spell check it......... ;)
[10:44] <naxa> mefisto__: I corrected it, everything is fine, and adeptm. works.
[10:44] <kkathman> Daisuke_Laptop:  nah on my system it works fine :)
[10:44] <naxa> Karti: :)
[10:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> because WMP11 isn't exactly a shining example of how to code a piece of software.
[10:44] <uga> Karti: lol. I only spellchecked Menarok =)
[10:44] <Karti> lol
[10:44] <kkathman> Daisuke_Laptop:  Karti doesnt seem to be able to play .ogg files on his WMP, and I can just fine
[10:45] <mefisto__> naxa: it was reading it as options -c, then -o, then -n, etc. but it stopped at the "o" option
[10:45] <uga> Daisuke_Laptop: isn't that *11 thing the m player in Windows Blind?
[10:45] <jhutchins> old == 4 yrs, got it.
[10:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> huh?
[10:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> Windows Media Player 11 is the latest incarnation of Satan
[10:46] <uga> jhutchins: lol, no, older than 4. My laptop is at least 6, and I began coding kde3 a little earlier than that
[10:46] <uga> so I'm sure by the time I got this laptop the feature should be in
[10:46] <kelevra> hola
[10:46] <jhutchins> kde3 == old, yeah, got it.
[10:46] <uga> jhutchins: it is old
[10:47] <Karti> Daisuke_Laptop: Is Satan on the medibuntu repo ;)
[10:47] <kkathman> Daisuke_Laptop:  Well this all started when Karti said he had to have everything in MP3s to play on his Windows box
[10:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> kde 3.0 may be old, kde3 isn't.
[10:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> then let him use mp3s :)
[10:47] <uga> jhutchins: kde 3.0 was released 2k1
[10:47] <uga> it's almost as old as Win 2k ;)
[10:47] <BluesKaj> hmm, trying to install a deb and i get this error:   line 1: `!<arch>'
[10:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> bad architecture?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> dunno
[10:48] <Kachna> what cpu do u have?
[10:48] <Karti> Daisuke_Laptop: He like .oggs but anything as long as he can listen to Adam Ant *ahh memories*
[10:49] <waylandbill_> Adam Ant? Someone is dating themselves.
[10:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> i much prefer XTC
[10:49] <waylandbill_> including myself. :)
[10:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> but that's just me
[10:49] <naxa> ok... if i downloaded virtualbox.deb, how can i make kubuntu install it and search dependencies? I can install with dpkg -i but it wont download dependencies
[10:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> naxa: gdebi (or whatever the kde equivalent is)
[10:50] <kelevra> hola alguien de de mexico
[10:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> !es | kelevra
[10:50] <ubotu> kelevra: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:50] <Karti> waylandbill_: Ahh who can forget Sgt Rock!
[10:51] <uga> Daisuke_Laptop: is there any mexican specific chan? he was asking for mexican people
[10:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> !mx
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> nope
[10:51] <uga> heh
[10:51] <RainDrop> hi i need help whit making a connection to the internet in Kubuntu 7.04 (dont know wery whel english )
[10:51] <akillah> RainDrop,where u from?
[10:52] <RainDrop> romania
[10:52] <uga> !ro
[10:52] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[10:52] <uga> woah! =)
[10:52] <RainDrop> :D
[10:52] <uga> I didn't expect that channel
[10:52] <akillah> damn......you guys all from Romania!!!!!!!!
[10:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> no
[10:52] <Doctor_Nick> i need to revert back to alsa 1.13 from 1.14
[10:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> but there is a romanian channel
[10:52] <Kachna> !cz
[10:53] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[10:53] <akillah> ahhhha....I see now hhhuh....
[10:53] <uga> okay, lemme check... I'm sure one is missing
[10:53] <Kachna> mmm
[10:53] <uga> !eu
[10:53] <BluesKaj> anyone know what this is ?: ./application.deb  line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline ./apllication.deb line 1: `!<arch>'
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:53] <uga> heh
[10:53] <uga> I knew ;)
[10:54] <mefisto__> uga: what language were you trying for?
[10:54] <akillah> so...all u guys kubuntu users??!
[10:54] <uga> mefisto__: euskara (basque)
[10:54] <uga> lang code = eu
[10:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> nah, i'm actually a windows loyalist here to spread fear, unrest, and dissent
[10:54] <Doctor_Nick> if i remove ubuntu-minimal, it wont actually remove anything, right?
[10:54] <Doctor_Nick> since it's a meta package
[10:55] <akillah> Daisuke_Laptop....... so u some kind of devil or something!!!! ))))))))))0
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> correct, but since it's a meta-package, there's no point in removing it :)
[10:55] <naxa> thank you bye!
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> akillah: i was kidding
[10:55] <Doctor_Nick> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah, but this stupid thing mandates the removal of it for some reason
[10:55] <akillah> I knew it
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you're removing something that ubuntu-minimal depends on
[10:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> which may not be the best idea
[10:56] <Doctor_Nick> i need to downgrade back to 1.13
[10:56] <Doctor_Nick> my alsa installation
[10:56] <akillah> hey guys,I have a question,what's up with that compiz-fusion,is it stable?
[10:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> that would be it
[10:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> in that case, you should be alright
[10:56] <mefisto__> !eus
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's...  eh, it's not bad
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> i haven't moved to it yet
[10:57] <Doctor_Nick> Daisuke_Laptop: now it's making me uninstall everything that uses alsa
[10:57] <Doctor_Nick> aka everything
[10:57] <mefisto__> !baq
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> Doctor_Nick: then don't do that
[10:57] <akillah> Daisuke_Laptop,you movin from beryl or compiz?
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> there is a way to force installation of a certain version, but i don't know how, exactly
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's a little beyond me
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> akillah: compiz (in gnome)
[10:59] <akillah> did somebody use ubuntu 7.10? And I didnt understand - is there kubuntu 7.10?
[10:59] <Kachna> hey,how can i disable that fsck on startup? it takes almost a week :/
[11:00] <Kachna> !fsck
[11:00] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[11:00] <Kachna> any way to skip it on each boot please? O:-)
[11:00] <gon> !lime wire
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lime wire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <gustavo> regarding chroot, when i have to add a module to the service, where do i install it? /chroot/service/usr/local/service or /usr/local/service  ?
[11:01] <rance> does anyone have any experience with vmware reboot problems on kubuntu?  the modules that vmware needs are not able to be reloaded after a reboot, must reinstall/reconfigure inorder to have modules rebuilt
[11:01] <Kachna> gustavo: when U'r chrooted U'r like in your system, so no /chroot
[11:01] <gon> !frost wire
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frost wire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <mefisto__> Kachna: it shouldn't do it on every boot
[11:02] <rance> shouldnt skip fsck on each boot
[11:02] <uga> mefisto__: funny... ubuntu-eu exists...
[11:02] <Kachna> mefisto__: well it does :/ even if i reboot cleanly(well,i ever do)
[11:02] <gustavo> Kachna: okay, i install it normally then, no need to worry about /chroot , is that right?
[11:02] <uga> mefisto__: but it points to http://www.ubuntu-eu.org/
[11:02] <uga> mefisto__: europe =)
[11:02] <Kachna> gustavo: should be :-)
[11:02] <rance> fsck will also recheck file systems ever X reboots or Y days whichever comes first
[11:03] <gustavo> Kachna: okay, thanks :D
[11:03] <Kachna> rance: it would be allright,if it X wasn't 1 here :P
[11:04] <poison--> !lan
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lan - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <poison--> !!network
[11:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:04] <poison--> !realtek
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realtek - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <uga> lol
[11:05] <poison--> argh
[11:05] <uga> !ethernet
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <uga> !anything
[11:05] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[11:05] <uga> LOL
[11:05] <poison--> eheheheh
[11:05] <poison--> hell, hate when i cant boot live cd
[11:05] <poison--> :(
[11:05] <rance> Kachna: are they ext3 partitions?
[11:05] <mefisto__> Kachna: see info tune2fs, the -c and -C options
[11:06] <rance> mefisto beat me to it
[11:06] <Paracropolis> Hello. I am wondering if this how-to would work on a new fresh install of Kubuntu 7.04 and is there any other things I must install before trying it. This is the link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405990
[11:06] <rance> you can tune them
[11:06] <uga> poison--: can I help? what's the issue for not booting?
[11:06] <uga> I had several nightmares with non-bootable live (rather dead) CDs
[11:06] <Kachna> rance: one is fat32, that's the one which takes a week to proceed
[11:07] <rance> Kachna you might need to change your /etc/fstab file
[11:07] <rance> read man fstab
[11:07] <rance> and then sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:07] <Kachna> well thought there's nothing about fsck in fstab :P
[11:07] <Kachna> however
[11:07] <poison--> uga, i get a msg after i select "Start or install Kubuntu"
[11:07] <poison--> when detecting lan
[11:08] <rance> depends on the fs and what options are available
[11:08] <Kachna> i think I could better make that partition ext3 as i don't need it to be fat32 anymore :P
[11:08] <poison--> it say: "8139cp is not 8139C+ compatible chip, try 8139too driver instead"
[11:08] <uga> poison--: do you know the message? possibly dhcp client times out, or so?
[11:08] <uga> ah...
[11:08] <Kachna> => reboot to new kernel and gonna backup all the drive on the new one :-)
[11:08] <rance> cool
[11:08] <uga> poison--: strange, that's a very common realtek net card
[11:09] <poison--> yep
[11:09] <uga> wasnt' there an option to tell the kernel what modules to load from the boot line?
[11:09] <uga> I believe there was
[11:09] <uga> either for the kernel or for the initrd, not sure
[11:09] <uga> but I'm sure there was a way...
[11:09] <poison--> well, i can edit the boot line, but what should i add to stop the detection?
[11:10] <rance> there is , there is also a modprobe.conf file that lists modules to force load at boot
[11:10] <ScorpKing> Paracropolis: is this what you're looking for? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[11:10] <uga> poison--: possibly if you loaded 8139too, the rest wouldn't even load
[11:11] <poison--> i didnt load anything, cause i dont even know what to do
[11:11] <poison--> :D
[11:11] <uga> rance: but this is a live CD, not a startup
[11:11] <Paracropolis> ScorpKing: Thank you for that. I think it is what I have been looking for.
[11:11] <poison--> im trying to install gutsy on a new laptop i received today to test
[11:12] <poison--> TwinHead laptop
[11:12] <poison--> nice one too
[11:12] <ScorpKing> Paracropolis: np. i have the same card. :P
[11:12] <Paracropolis> :D
[11:12] <wesley> what the super button on the mouse?
[11:12] <uga> poison--: ugh, maybe installing feisty first would be easier
[11:12] <uga> and then updating
[11:12] <poison--> i did, same error
[11:12] <poison--> even tried knoppix
[11:12] <poison--> same error
[11:13] <wesley> hey guys wich button is the super button
[11:13] <mefisto__> poison--: you mean the feisty and knoppix livecds failed to boot?
[11:13] <poison--> yes
[11:13] <poison--> and gutsy
[11:14] <uga> mefisto__: all live CDs seem to use similar initrd systems... all of them failed the same way on my desktop too
[11:14] <uga> either all boot, or none
[11:16] <uga> poison--: http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-customize-your-own-ubuntu-live-cd.html
[11:16] <poison--> it should exist some cheat code to disable the lan detection
[11:16] <uga> poison--: it explains how to create a custom live CD with ... guess... the realtek 8139 driver ;)
[11:16] <poison--> lol
[11:16] <wesley> guys what that super button? in beryl to take  a screenshot you have to use control super and button1
[11:17] <uga> " There are some laptop owners having problems booting the LiveCD due to driver problems..."
[11:17] <uga> "Extract the 8139too.ko.2.6.20-16-generic file, copy it to the live folder and rename it to 8139too.ko ."
[11:17] <uga> heh
[11:17] <mefisto__> wesley: the one between ctrl and alt ?
[11:18] <uga> poison--: the other possibility is possibly using the alternate install CDs
[11:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> is there a reason nfs should be broken?
[11:18] <poison--> damn... it even is for the same laptop
[11:18] <poison--> lol
[11:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently it works okay from the host side
[11:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i cannot mount nay nfs shares from this laptop anymore
[11:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> any*
[11:19] <uga> poison--: now, report the issue, and if you are listened, feel lucky
[11:19] <uga> as I tried several times...
[11:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> bad fs type or bad superblock on <share>
[11:19] <uga> poison--: point them to the solution too. And hope for somebody to implement it before gutsy is out ;)
[11:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> wesley: for beryl/compiz, "super" is the same as "meta" or "windows"
[11:21] <wesley> okee but what that button one? does someone if there a compiz fusion manager like beryl manager?
[11:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> button1?
[11:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> mouse button one.
[11:22] <wesley> left or right?
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> left
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> the first one
[11:22] <uga> wesley: type "ccsm"
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> the one you click
[11:22] <uga> but it's not as nice as beryl's
[11:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> fixed it
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> somewhere in the upgrades, nfs-common and portmap got removed >_>
[11:25] <wesley> is ccsm the compiz fusion manager like beryl manager?
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> as was just said, it's not as nice as beryl's
[11:26] <wesley> but can you change to kde with it because some program to watch tv or video dont like 3d
[11:27] <sangers> hello
[11:27] <uga> wesley: yes
[11:27] <uga> wesley: c.c.s.m.=Compiz Config Settings Manager
[11:28] <wesley> okee do i need to remove beryl ?
[11:28] <uga> no, actually I suggest you to keep both
[11:28] <uga> as I ended up running beryl back ;)
[11:29] <wesley> okee
[11:29] <wesley> i will try it one time hope i dont blow up this time because i got al programs i like
[11:30] <uga> wesley: the problem with compiz is it doesn't seem to like using aquamarine
[11:31] <wesley> I dont like aquamarine
[11:31] <wesley> I use emerald slatehorn glass
[11:31] <Ace2016> i like emerald, it seems like the best one, plus there are more themes
[11:31] <uga> oh well. beryl-manager can handle both compiz and aquamarine then...
[11:32] <wesley> yes but i should not run compiz fusion with beryl manager
[11:32] <jhutchins> uga: I think some distros may have had that auto-rip feature turned off because the rippers weren't stable enough.
[11:32] <Red_Tear_> hi
[11:32] <Red_Tear_> i got a new system on a new hdd...
[11:32] <uga> jhutchins: oh, maybe
[11:32] <s4nt> hello
[11:33] <Red_Tear_> what do i have to copy to get my wallet?
[11:33] <AirstrikeIvanov> !webcam
[11:33] <PhinnFort> Red_Tear_: look in .kde/share
[11:33] <AirstrikeIvanov> no ubotu?
[11:33] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:34] <wesley> lol my webcam is supported but kubuntu likes my tv card more
[11:34] <ScislaC> So, I am running Ubuntu Gutsy and want to install KDE4 Beta2 (and do not have KDE3 installed currently)... should I still go for a variant of the kde4-beta2 instructions in the Topic to get it going?
[11:34] <Red_Tear_> ok thanks PhinnFort
[11:35] <ScorpKing> Red_Tear_: .kde/share/apps/kwallet/
[11:35] <ScislaC> or is there a different recommended method for my setup?
[11:35] <Red_Tear_> ok and how do i start kwallet now?
[11:36] <ScorpKing> Red_Tear_: i think it's kwalletmanager
[11:37] <Red_Tear_> yes, thanks
[11:37] <ScorpKing> np
[11:39] <ScorpKing> i think Akregator times out before it gets the feeds. i haven't received any news for the last four days. is there a way to set the timeout to a longer period?
[11:41] <poison--> uga, script socks, but i get an error
[11:41] <poison--> lol
[11:41] <uga> ouch
[11:41] <poison--> rocks* even
[11:41] <poison--> think i need to extract the iso
[11:41] <poison--> damn
[11:41] <wesley> theres no ccsm
[11:42] <uga> wesley: it's a separate package, maybe you don't have it installed
[11:42] <kkathman> need to install it
[11:42] <kkathman> hehe
[11:42] <uga> wesley: compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:42] <poison--> Rebuilding initrd... chroot: impossible to change root dir to edit: Afile or dir dont exist
[11:42] <poison--> mv: objectiv `extract-cd/casper/' exists, but is not a dir:
[11:42] <poison--> Done
[11:43] <wesley> uga: i got that one but that not a manager like beryl manager
[11:43] <uga> what do you mean... not in system tray?
[11:43] <uga> beryl manager works with compiz too ;)
[11:43] <kkathman> wesley:  well it does the equivalent of what beryl-manager did for beryl
[11:43] <uga> except it won't run ccsm
[11:43] <uga> kkathman: I think he means it doesn't go to system tray like beryl manager did
[11:43] <kkathman> there are many more things to control with ccsm
[11:44] <uga> kkathman: if you can find out the window sorting tool for me.. =)
[11:44] <uga> it was easy in beryl
[11:44] <wesley> yes i mean that
[11:44] <kkathman> uga well thats true, theres a icon you can get to do that, but it didnt work for me
[11:44] <uga> on this one, it only sorts desktops ;)
[11:44] <kkathman> uga window sorting?
[11:44] <wesley> i got am64
[11:44] <uga> yup
[11:44] <uga> move mouse to corner, and scales all windows and sorts them
[11:44] <kkathman> uga you mean switcher ??
[11:44] <uga> so that you can see them
[11:45] <kkathman> uga yep its called SCALE
[11:45] <uga> oh,  asec...
[11:45] <kkathman> just enable it, then set the place you want to touch
[11:45] <uga> I was enabling expo, which does similar, but not same
[11:45] <kkathman> the name's a bit misleading
[11:45] <kkathman> also worth a try is shift switcher, uga
[11:45] <uga> okay, done
[11:46] <uga> kkathman: indeed, I thought scale was the zooming tool ;)
[11:46] <mefisto__> wesley: you can edit the kmenu to put icons in the systray
[11:46] <kkathman> uga yeah there are TWO zooming plugins :)
[11:46] <wesley> yes but can i switch then to kde windows manager
[11:46] <uga> what on earth is the "super" key, though =)
[11:46] <uga> winders? =)
[11:46] <kkathman> wesley:  your "windows" key on the left side if you have one
[11:46] <mefisto__> wesley: I don't know. maybe not
[11:47] <uga> or some keyboards now come with a <S> superman sign? =)
[11:47] <kkathman> on mine it says "start"
[11:47] <uga> kkathman: ah, cheers... lets see
[11:47] <wesley> you can switch to windows manager with the windows key?
[11:48] <kkathman> course you can make those triggers anything you'd like
[11:48] <uga> oh heh, cool, but complex combination to start =)
[11:48] <kkathman> uga I changed shift switcher to my "menu" button
[11:48] <uga> who's the guy that decides these letters =)
[11:48] <uga> must be rather insane finger user ;)
[11:49] <kkathman> uga I think they just put some in, and leave it to you to make the final determination
[11:49] <kkathman> I dont like super E for expo lol
[11:49] <kkathman> but I use the shift switcher rather than expo
[11:49] <uga> yeah, but some usable defaults  wouldnt' be bad
[11:50] <kkathman> well super E for expo isnt bad
[11:50] <kkathman> I mean its intuitive, but its a bit awkward
[11:50] <poison--> anyone using vmware to run kubuntu?
[11:50] <zewb> DCC SEND linuxusershaveneckbeards 0 0 0
[11:51] <stdin> people, call ops on that!
[11:51] <poison--> LOL
[11:51] <uga> kkathman: it'd be logical if you could switch pages with the mouse too... visual stuff with keyboard needs isn't good
[11:51] <kkathman> good reaction stdin  :)
[11:52] <kkathman> you were on top of it before I could do a !ops :)
[11:52] <siegmundt> moin
[11:52] <poison--> uga, i was right, need to extract the damn iso
[11:52] <kkathman> uga you can
[11:52] <stdin> kkathman: had to do a double take that :p
[11:52] <poison--> :D
[11:52] <poison--> worked now
[11:52] <uga> kkathman: buttons and screen edge are disabled for "next window and previous window"
[11:52] <kkathman> uga check the viewport mouse switcher
[11:52] <uga> uhm
[11:53] <kkathman> that will let you use your mousewheel to rotate the cube
[11:53] <uga> nonono
[11:53] <kkathman> oh you just wanna point?
[11:53] <uga> kkathman: I mean switching windows in that shift switcher
[11:53] <poison--> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:53] <uga> you need to use the kb after entering the mode
[11:53] <poison--> need free space
[11:53] <poison--> lmao
[11:54] <uga> poison--: I feel your pain
[11:54] <stdin> english, brendonw_ and mortici_: you seem to be vulnerable to an exploit that resets your connection, please see this page to correct this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[11:54] <kkathman> uga oh yeah I agree - thats why I made it the "menu" key on my keyboard - that key is right next to the right alt key...handy
[11:54] <poison--> damn... runing kubuntu with vmware, never though i would need more than 12GBs
[11:55] <kkathman> uga then I set the reverse direction to that right alt + menu :)
[11:55] <poison--> brb
[11:55] <kkathman> unfortunately its a little slow I think
[11:55] <Daisuke-Ido> it can't possibly be that tough to write a gui app that's merely a frontend to a script, can it?
[11:56] <enjoi1216> hey kkathman you got a copy
[11:56] <uga> kkathman: previously I had mapped all my mouse buttons to do switching etc. I'll have to reconfigure
[11:56] <Daisuke-Ido> input area "here'
[11:56] <Daisuke-Ido> s your file"
[11:56] <kkathman> Daisuke-Ido: qt + python :)
[11:56] <Daisuke-Ido> and a bunch of options, logically arranged
[11:56] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  copy of what?
[11:56] <uga> kkathman: that's what is so bad about beryl, compiz etc. They are unable to keep some standards working
[11:56] <enjoi1216> lol
[11:56] <Daisuke-Ido> that's what i'm saying, it shouldn't be difficult
[11:56] <enjoi1216> it's like a radio talk
[11:56] <uga> so no matter how many times you configure, next upgrade your settings are gone
[11:56] <kkathman> uga yah but yanno tradeoffs I guess
[11:57] <kkathman> hehe true
[11:57] <enjoi1216> kkathman how do you explain the undefined love for linux
[11:57] <kkathman> uga interesting I can login as kubuntu or ubuntu and they use different settings files, so there must be a file somewhere you could keep
[11:58] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  how do you define love--- an age old question :)
[12:00] <ScorpKing> nite everyone.
[12:00] <cloakable> Has anyone here got a working kde4 install?
[12:00] <kkathman> uga I would think that those ccsm settings would need to be user specific also
[12:00] <stdin> cloakable: define "working"
[12:00] <dappermuis> yes, working is extremely relative
[12:01] <dappermuis> especially when it comes to beta software
[12:01] <stdin> especially with KDE4
[12:01] <kkathman> uga since I sign on as the same user, but the ccsm setttings are different, that means its got to be in a kde config or gnome config file somewhere
[12:01] <stdin> it may work but not work :p
[12:01] <dappermuis> stdin: do you know when the last update was made to the gutsy kde4 packages?
[12:01] <enjoi1216> the love for linux
[12:01] <cloakable> stdin: doesn't have two big blobs featuring 'could not create widget'
[12:02] <cloakable> :P
[12:02] <stdin> dappermuis: when the beta2 was releases
[12:02] <jhutchins> dappermuis: gutsy is on #ubuntu+1
[12:02] <enjoi1216> where at do you live kkathman
[12:02] <stdin> cloakable: that is a "working kde4 install" well done :)
[12:02] <enjoi1216> like do you live in the u.s.
[12:02] <dappermuis> cloakable: if you want a kde4 which "works" a bit better then you'll need to check out from svn
[12:03] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  North Texas
[12:03] <stdin> and even that doesn't work well
[12:03] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  around the Dallas Metroplex area
[12:03] <dappermuis> hehe, i started checking out but got fell asleep which it was doing the qt-copy stuff
[12:03] <enjoi1216> goodnight i guess you are one of them Southerners aren't you
[12:03] <dappermuis> and then never got round to getting the other stuff
[12:04] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  nah Texans dont really relate to southerners too well
[12:04] <cloakable> stdin: How well is not well?
[12:04] <stdin> dappermuis: use the kdesvn-build script, you just start it and it goes checks out then build and installs it
[12:04] <enjoi1216> i wouldn't say that because you are the southn
[12:04] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  We really dont share alot of the same history - Texas has a different heritage
[12:04] <enjoi1216> yah but still though
[12:04] <enjoi1216> i mean people down there have a southern accent
[12:05] <dappermuis> stdin, really? where can i get it?
[12:05] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  thats a myth
[12:05] <stdin> cloakable: it's extremely unstable
[12:05] <enjoi1216> kkathman i've heard in Texas you pour sand out of your boots
[12:05] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  like anywhere else, you get your speech from your surroundings
[12:05] <cloakable> stdin: Worse or better than ME? :P
[12:06] <enjoi1216> i wouldn't say that because i knew a girl that was from Texas that was a sweeth southern lady
[12:06] <wesley> it doest work good compiz fusion i will stay by beryl
[12:06] <stdin> dappermuis: http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/
[12:06] <stdin> cloakable: hmm, hard to tell :p
[12:06] <kkathman> wesley:  you give up too easily
[12:06] <enjoi1216> and i'll tell you what i would have liked to do a lot more things to her but i won't bring that up in the room since this is a clean chatroom
[12:07] <kkathman> wesley:  there is a really good compiz-fusion install page that just about never fails
[12:07] <dappermuis> stdin: thanks
[12:07] <stdin> cloakable: if you want to see what it's like on the bleeding edge (and have a fast connection), go for it
[12:07] <wesley> where it is i got a dutch one and if it updates emerald then emerald ist useable in beryl
[12:08] <kkathman> wesley: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[12:08] <jhutchins> kkathman: Now that is seriously funny - a web page devoted to only the newer ways compiz can fail.
[12:08] <enjoi1216> kkathman i have a new linux idea
[12:08] <kkathman> jhutchins:  hmm well it works very well for me on my system
[12:09] <soulrider> join ##C++
[12:09] <soulrider> oops
[12:11] <enjoi1216> kkathman what do you think if Unix like have you had a chance to play around with apple or Free BSD yet
[12:11] <enjoi1216> like anything that is Unix based
[12:11] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  yah Ive played with most of the OS's in the world, and some that you probably havent heard of :)
[12:12] <kkathman> but I wont say I've hit them all at the same intensity
[12:12] <enjoi1216> well like what? tell me i'm always for Operating System exposure.
[12:13] <enjoi1216> like teach me some things kkathman
[12:13] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  thats a pretty open topic isnt it?
[12:14] <enjoi1216> well the thing is that i'm fixing to continue my programming classes
[12:14] <enjoi1216> i and continue with college
[12:15] <enjoi1216> becuse i am trying to get all of the operating system exposure that i can get a hold of
[12:15] <enjoi1216> no not really kkathman i'm just curious of what all else operating system wise that you know of that is out there because i'm just trying to learn
[12:16] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  well, I concentrate at the moment in various forms of Windows, Unix, and Linux (FreeBSD is really linux they just dont want you to think it is)
[12:16] <kkathman> lol
[12:18] <wesley> i hope those sources are better
[12:18] <Daisuke-Ido> since when is any flavor of bsd linux?
[12:19] <kkathman> ohh lord one of those "purists"
[12:19] <kkathman> geez
[12:19] <Daisuke-Ido> i'm just sayin'
[12:20] <wesley> guys do you wanna see my amv's who i did create in kdenlive
[12:21] <wesley> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIeEair9p2k  This the best one i created with kdenlive
[12:27] <dudeicles> how do I edit fstab in kedit with sudo access?
[12:27] <Chousuke> dudeicles: use kdesu
[12:28] <Chousuke> from the terminal
[12:28] <dudeicles> k
[12:28] <stdin> or from the Run dialog
[12:28] <Chousuke> ie. kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:28] <wesley> guys what do you think of my amv?
[12:29] <kloplop321> can somebody help me with setting up dual screen on Nvidia?(yes I saw the guide on ubuntugeek, but It wouldn't let my Xserver boot up, so I undid the changes)
[12:30] <dudeicles> I have to log out to make what I changed in fstab go into effect right?
[12:30] <Chousuke> dudeicles: no
[12:31] <dudeicles> man I really need to learn all these commands
[12:31] <Chousuke> they're helpful
[12:31] <dudeicles> so what could I do to make the stuff in fstab work?
[12:31] <Chousuke> what did you edit there?
[12:31] <dudeicles> mounts
[12:32] <Chousuke> so then mount them
[12:32] <dudeicles> it's easier to let fstab do it.
[12:32] <dudeicles> LOL
[12:32] <dudeicles> :P
[12:32] <Chousuke> fstab doesn't mount anything
[12:32] <stdin> kloplop321: see http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[12:32] <Chousuke> fstab is just a place where you can specify mounts so they're easier to mount with mount or other tools
[12:32] <dudeicles> right
[12:33] <Chousuke> I suppose KDE might automount some things if you relogin
[12:33] <dudeicles> let me see
[12:33] <dudeicles> brb
[12:33] <Chousuke> but you should be able to do that with konqi too
[12:33] <stdin> KDE won't mount anything from fatab
[12:33] <stdin> oh well, he'll find out soon enough :)
[12:35] <kloplop321> thanks(will check out)
[12:36] <kloplop321> how do I know if I have Xinerama or whatever? or is that the default Xorg server that comes with Kubuntu 7.04?
[12:39] <firstInstall> i was needing some help on my ethernet configurations