[12:29] nothlit: but people dont really care if its included as long as it isnt on by default. [12:29] lassegs: we can start laying out the structure for hardy's wiki pages [12:29] and post forum links directing people on how to contribute etc [12:29] nothlit: yeah, lets do that. then make some forum posts and maybe a digg post etc === Misosaki [n=chatzill@ip5-175.eyrkonaeac12.dialup.ca.telus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:30] one thing i would like, is to see art.ubuntu.com be repurposed and a bit revamped [12:30] nothlit: but it must be very clear from the beggining, who will ultimatly deside, that blue wont be considered and so forth [12:31] <`23meg> lassegs, here's what we can do: 1) Someone from the Forum Ambassadors team posts all incoming artwork to the forums 2) people comment on the incoming artwork, and are given a set of guidelines of constructive criticism 3) Those comments that are valid and useful by these guidelines are relayed or summarized to the mailing list or wiki, or their owners are told to post them to the mailing list or wiki [12:31] nothlit: so kwwii must be agreeing to this and keep an eye on it. [12:31] <`23meg> all of this happens in real time, starting well before the deadlines [12:31] `23meg: great stuff. [12:31] <`23meg> I'm leader of the forum ambassadors team and can assist in this [12:31] this is what we need to be thinking about. [12:33] re, shortly...I totally agree with the ideas just mentioned and am *really* glad to see people stepping up and taking responsibility...I'll give my utmost support when, where and how possible [12:33] `23meg: but we must expand this to more than ubuntuforums as well. [12:33] Hi, first time in direct contact with everyone, hope you're all well. (Please carry on, I'll just listen in the bg.) [12:33] <`23meg> kwwii, nice to hear your support === kwwii needs to turn off the audio bell on the irc client - it keeps interupting my movie! [12:33] kwwii: great kwwii im sorry i wasnt clear from the start [12:34] <`23meg> goodbye kwwii :) [12:34] <`23meg> lassegs, to where else should it be expanded? [12:34] lassegs: quite a few people have mentioned "good ideas" but without some help from the community it is simply not possible for me to do everything alone and at the same time do so much artwork [12:35] kwwii: we want to make your life easier to get artwork better :) [12:35] realize that I do kubuntu, ubuntu mobile, help on edubuntu, etc. as well [12:35] not to mention that I am kde art maintainer and oxygen founder [12:35] `23meg: as you say it should be contributed ubuntuforums, but we need to pull in people from digg, slashdot and other places ubuntu users hang out. [12:36] kwwii: we really are aware that you have lots to do. We can do the dirty work but you must overlook it. [12:36] lassegs: I would be happy to do so [12:36] `23meg: contributed _through_ ubuntuforums [12:37] <`23meg> lassegs, I'm not sure we need *that* wide an audience, but the UF thread will definitely get dugg and perhaps slashdotted automatically anyway, so.. [12:37] kwwii: is launchpad going to be used more for the next cycle? or can i downplay its importance on the wiki page [12:37] `23meg: yeah [12:37] nothlit: launchpad will always be the main place for specs, code, bugs, etc [12:38] <`23meg> kwwii, fully understood. I'll notify the FA team about this and we'll work together once it's Hardy time [12:38] `23meg: excellent [12:38] kwwii: as in for the concept art process, rather than just getting miscellaneous bugs [12:38] we will start work in about a month, I want a full 6 month cycle this time to get things right [12:38] kwwii: that sounds great [12:40] how about we schedule a meeting for this? [12:40] to get all the important people to attend? [12:43] imo this should be open from the start, so we set the trend [12:43] lassegs: the best time to do such a meeting would be during the UDS at the end of october [12:44] lassegs: we can create a spec on launchpad describing how we will improve things, etc [12:44] kwwii: ok, so locally offline, or local and online? [12:44] kwwii: im new to this .) [12:44] lassegs: all the meeting should be online and per VIOP accesable [12:44] so we could set up an irc meeting or prefferable a VOIP session [12:45] if that does not work we can still do it per email [12:45] but I would prefer to have a live commentary [12:45] kwwii: cool, i was thinking damn, i dont have money to fly to some conference. [12:45] lassegs: if I would have seen this coming I could have invited a few people to the conference (all expenses paid) [12:46] until now there has been very few people who were interested to this degree [12:46] <`23meg> kwwii, is sponsorship still available for UDS? [12:46] most people want to submit a "I do not like this" or "I think this is great" and much little else [12:46] <`23meg> true [12:47] `23meg: perhaps, if I can be really persuasive with good reasoning [12:47] officialy the invitations are already done, but if I know that we can really achieve something perhaps I can add one or two people [12:48] kwwii: wasnt this tried for dapper as well? we should collect their experiences and learn from that. [12:48] kwwii: you were on kubuntu at taht time, right? [12:49] kwwii: the seam carving resizes the image based on content, takes the path of least resistance, so you can change the aspect ratio without distorting or harming the image contents [12:49] <`23meg> kwwii, on second thought, I'll be too busy with my thesis to attend, unfortunately. I hope I can make it next time. [12:49] or maybe they had another thing going, I dont remember anymore. [12:50] i would love to go, of course i would have to prove myself worthy [12:50] *first [12:51] lassegs: yes, I was doing kubuntu for dapper and the results from the UDS after that were not so impressive [12:51] kwwii: are there any artwork interested attendees of UDS at all? [12:51] kwwii: yeah, i seem to recall that. === `23meg has to go [12:51] <`23meg> see you all [12:51] perhaps the best way to sort this would be to have an irc meeting as soon as possible (with a list of topics posted in advance) [12:51] `23meg: see you [12:52] `23meg: great input man [12:52] <`23meg> thanks ;) [12:52] kwwii: that was what i was thinking, something should outline this a litte more before UDS [12:52] `23meg: stay in touch, perhaps we can improve things [12:52] `23meg: great reporting to the forums btw [12:52] lassegs: put together some ideas and we can discuss this tomorrow and set up a meeting asap [12:53] <`23meg> kwwii, will do; I'll be in the channel from now on [12:53] great. ill see you here tomorrow, we'll talk then. [12:53] `23meg: would you have time for a meeting soon? [12:53] <`23meg> nothlit, one more post coming :) [12:53] <`23meg> kwwii, sure [12:53] cool, let's keep in touch on this [12:53] <`23meg> will do :) goodbye.. [12:53] I have to say I'm impressed with the way you handle this. In most communities such controversy would only result in people on both sides being angry. You chose to use it as an opportunity to improve. [12:54] I am pretty much always in chat (except for the weekends) [12:54] Ludwik: that is the only way to move forward [12:54] right :) [12:54] I have to say that I somewhat intended this controversy to see if I could provoke people to step up and take action [12:55] I could have just posted the non-pixelated lighter version (aka original) pic to begin with :-) [12:56] LOL [12:56] thats why you darkened it [12:56] yeah, this sounds a little fishy :D [12:57] if thats the case, job well done [12:58] im going to bed. see you tomorrow guys. [12:59] see you soon, i hope [12:59] no worries :P [12:59] sleep well === kwwii finished the movie he stopped a thousand times [12:59] and then sleeps [01:00] cyas, close irc lol [01:05] Does anyone happen to know what's next on the task list (if anything) after the wallpaper? [01:06] afaik, it starts with the wallpaper as a concept [01:07] and bleeds into gdm, gnome splash etc [01:07] there are also icons, you should speak to the tango enthusiasts about that [01:09] Are gdm drafts being accepted yet, seeing as the wallpaper question is about ... decided? === netsuu_idle [n=netsuu_@pool-71-113-92-225.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:12] wb [01:14] the artwork deadline has passed already [01:14] everything is locked down for gutsy === damianvila [n=Miranda@89.128.188.214] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:16] Hi Damianvila, good work on the walls [01:17] Thanks! [01:17] The elephant wallpaper, is a no brainer. [01:17] Hi troy! [01:17] And Lasse! [01:17] Greets damianvila [01:18] damianvila: nice work [01:18] Thanks everybody [01:18] I said it when I saw it. It has a very interesting 'awe' component. It is also almost abstract enough to connote broken cracked earth. It is very organic. And well... it works. [01:18] I like the Lion one, but the elephant wallpaper as an official Ubuntu alternative wallpaper is also a good thing :) [01:18] I'm writing to the forum now, to calm down people [01:18] Nothlit: Will there be any changes to the gdm, etc. for Gutsy, then? The wallpaper has just been finalised, so if there are to be changes, then they preceeded w/o the wallpaper? [01:18] That said, even with elephant as a base, it would require a _real_ bloody palette to round it out. Sync up the GDM / GTK, and poof. [01:18] A days work. [01:19] Misosaki: It's more or less a done deal. [01:19] Yeah Troy, I know... [01:19] damianvila: It also has a very workable motif. [01:20] Ah. Thanks nothlit and troy_s. [01:20] damianvila: It gets a severe +1 from me. I said it the moment I saw it. Lion and the other are a little too "Africany" from my vantage. Elephant is abstract enough to work wonderfully. [01:20] I just don't get people questioning the art team [01:20] (Mind you the blue is problematic of course.) [01:20] damianvila: There _is no art team_ [01:20] damianvila: There never has been. [01:20] damianvila: There never will be. [01:21] damianvila: Unless you are speaking of k wwii (to not ping him during sleep) and sabdfl. [01:21] he quit [01:21] who quit? [01:22] 07:03:42 -!- kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956F6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection [01:22] Oh! [01:22] Nevertheles [01:22] I might add that I have also stated quite openly that transparency is rather vital. Hopefully this will come back to haunt all once again. [01:24] It was clear to me from the beggining how things worked [01:25] Transparency, possibly, but also more publicity. [01:25] I remember seeing the announcement that Ken was the person who made the decision about artwork from Feisty onwards... [01:25] It is also why not many with any experience in the Ubuntu world bother. [01:26] It has been a load of tripe from the beginning. [01:26] So ... one person has always been given the role of making UI decisions? [01:27] Just artwork I believe [01:27] Sorry, UI meant here in terms of themes, visuals [01:28] Yeah [01:29] the ubuntu founder doesn't much trust the community in terms of artwork [01:30] Well, it's difficult to get a consensus about graphic design... === Ludwik [n=ludwik@coj33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [01:31] damianvila: We should round out elephant into a proper full blown theme. [01:31] damianvila: Locate a suitable palette, shift it into the tonal range, and provide a GDM / usplash for it. [01:31] damianvila: Ship me a high resolution version of the plain texture. [01:32] damianvila: And I'll see what I can do. [01:32] Misosaki: and yes... it ultimately comes down to sabdfl and his hiring [01:32] damianvila: Can you do that? [01:32] damianvila: I'll do a stair interpolation on the highest resolution version you have and use it as a starting point. [01:33] troy: there's a hi-res version here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Animals [01:33] Any chance of something similar for the lion, or will that be too redundant? :) [01:35] Would try if there is anything needing help [01:36] I have no experience creating whole themes... :-P [01:36] Both the lion and the elephant were created in a similar way [01:37] But the lion is reddish, so, it's a different palette [01:39] Well, the lion texture is a bit softer, though it's understandable if people don't like reddish/brown [01:41] But I agree that, given the good reception, something like this: http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/ needs to be made... [01:43] Misosaki: at the forums it was like 50/50 between the lion and the elephant... [01:44] And the Kubuntu people loved the blue elephant [01:44] There's some demand for landscape scenes ... but they just have to be vivid and high-res or it'll easily look sloppy [01:44] The problem with very detailed landscapes is that they tend to make noise === Misosaki nods [01:45] I have lots of landscape wallpapers I love, but the ones that works best are the dull ones [01:46] Dull? In colour? [01:46] Yep [01:46] You see: wallpapers, besides being decoration, needs to "hold" icons. You want the eye to quickly fin the icon you are looking for [01:47] Most people tend to group icons around the borders [01:47] B/w anyone? lol [01:47] That's why all of my wallpapers are darker at the border [01:47] lol [01:48] Well, let's say in Fedora's case -- what do you all like (or dislike) about the things in that link? [01:49] There where lots of good wallpapers at the wiki, but I liked the ones by Ken, Troy and Lasse because I thought those were the ones better suited for a desktop use [01:49] I love the overall idea of Fedora [01:49] It's calm yet interesting [01:50] Are we aiming for something similar with Ubuntu? What are we aiming for? [01:50] Maybe you can't put lots of icons on the right side [01:50] I don't know... lol [01:50] I'm totally lost :-P [01:51] I just wanted to give Ubuntu something unique and original, but usable [01:51] i think there are plans for discussions [01:51] starting tomorrow [01:52] That wold be great [01:52] *would [01:52] The lion is simply a little too heavy thematically. [01:52] It has a less of an abstract / leather feel [01:52] it has strong ties with African motifs (which localizes Ubuntu a little too strongly in my estimation) [01:52] Yeah, but some people might not savour the feel of leather [01:53] Misosaki: Doesn't matter. [01:53] Misosaki: You will always be dealing with percentages. [01:53] Misosaki: The point I am simply trying to make is that the connotations with a lion's fur is probably stronger along African lines, which -- while a completely acceptable design choice -- probably is a little more 'restricted' than the elephant's texture. [01:55] Misosaki: I have from day one been stressing that organics works for Ubuntu. It is both a clear alternative to the glassy plastics out there for the two mainstreams and it works well from a more philosophical vantage. [01:55] It matters, but it's fine, because the sampling of opinions from the forums (however small), is as Damianvila said 50/50 on the two [01:55] damianvila: Do you have the source texture before colorizing? [01:55] Yes. It's a Photoshop file. 3 or 4 layers [01:56] Misosaki: It is a delicate walk. You don't want to suddenly head into 'animal hell'. [01:56] Misosaki: You want to connote the organic without being utterly literal. [01:56] damianvila: Can you email me? [01:56] Yeap [01:56] damianvila: I would even take your source textures [01:57] damianvila: As it appears a subtle blurring of several considering that those creases don't happen like that naturally on an elephant ;) [01:57] Let me make a package and I'll put it on my site... [01:57] Misosaki: It is unfortunate, but I have been trying to get people to seeing the upside of a true brainstorming portion of design development. [01:58] Misosaki: When damianvila presented elephant, it had that "that's the direction" feeling for me (and apparently a few others). [01:58] Misosaki: The extremely unfortunate side of things is that kwwii posted the 'should be similar to' images, and not one really even came close. [01:59] And the wall will be placed into an entirely new theme, or will it be expected to work with the human theme? [02:00] Because the wall obviously doesn't exist alone ... there are icons and other elements, some of which tend towards a certain palette or shape [02:02] Looks like Troy had a problem... [02:02] Oops === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:03] wb [02:03] damn lynching. might have a memory problem. [02:03] grr. [02:03] :-) [02:04] damianvila: So if you could ship those texture sources, it would be great. [02:04] I'll see if we can work on rounding it out a little. [02:04] Ouch!, 44MB each tar... :-P might take a while to upload... [02:04] other things to consider might be how linework will be presented [02:04] etc === Misosaki nods [02:08] out for a while boyz. [02:08] As I said, I love what Diana made and how it was presented... [02:08] Okay, see you [02:08] See you Troy [02:10] i think we're all diana fanboys/girls [02:10] :-) === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:11] We should make the "Diana Fong's fanclub" lol [02:11] Hi there [02:11] lols [02:11] Hi Alex [02:18] Would be nice if there were more complete docs on the whole process -- who the leader(s) are and what currently needs work, for instance. (The artwork and getinvolved pages aren't very detailed about it.) [02:21] Well, I submitted the images because, I believe Ken, asked for it. I never contributed to other Open Source project. Being a designer, I find it rather chaotic... [02:21] When the public wants to know about progress and major deadlines, they shouldn't have to go through scores of IRC transcripts to find out. [02:22] Maybe because most people don't know Ken's the one with the final decision [02:23] Yeah [02:23] Frankly, I fond it strage that he was asking for artwork [02:23] *found [02:24] Well, it's one thing to have someone in charge of the decision-making, but at least if there's a call for proposals, to please give designers betterdocs and a better idea of what is being sought [02:25] So it's not usual to call for artwork? === nekiruhs [n=nekiruhs@c-69-251-128-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:25] Hi there [02:25] Hey [02:25] No if there's a person appointed to do the work... [02:25] for larger distros afaik theres usually someone in charge [02:25] Hi nekiruhs [02:25] Hi [02:26] But the person is just doing the decision-making, or overseeing the design process, not the actual designing? === wfarr [n=wcfarrin@adsl-224-114-42.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:28] Hi [02:28] As I understood it, kwwii was in charge of the artwork. I remember seeing something in the lines of "the official artwork will be made by kwwii, so do not submit proposals for Ubuntu", or something like that [02:29] Really? In the wiki or the forum? [02:29] I think it was in the wiki [02:29] its in the wiki [02:29] that was for feisty iirc [02:30] damianvila: sabdfl (Mark Shuttleworth, founder of ubuntu) has the final say of what is default [02:30] nothlit: I know [02:31] I believe sabdfl was the one who choose kwwii [02:32] Maybe sabdfl is tired of seeing lions and elephants lol [02:32] lols [02:32] damianvila: any hope on getting the updated lion-claar branded like the previous version? [02:32] I think it looks much better with the branding, personally [02:33] wfarr: I agree [02:33] Yeah, agreed [02:33] Ubuntu is probably one of the only distros I can think of that _doesn't_ do branding on their artwork, actually [02:33] Though I've got the darker version on :) [02:33] I don't know how well the logo would show up on the lighter fur though [02:33] wfarr: Some people like it with it, some without. I have no problem putting the logo back [02:33] at least out of the Big 3 (ubuntu, fedora, suse) [02:34] nekiruhs: it looks fine here (dunno if claar version got lighter since the branded version was posted) [02:34] wfarr: It had the branding at one point? I must have missed that image. [02:35] The first ones did [02:35] They're still up in GutsyIdeas [02:35] nekiruhs: The originals are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas [02:36] brb [02:36] At the end I liked the "off center" logo best (like in the "Mufasa" wallpaper) [02:37] damianvila: Have you tried lightening the Fluid+Fur combo? [02:37] nekiruhs: I didn't like the combo myself [02:37] I thought it made the wallpaper too busy [02:37] I thought it was neat, but the elephant with the brand won me over [02:38] nekiruhs:no, not really === dmccall [n=dmccall@d154-20-35-141.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:38] I like the lion-claar better - but I use Gilouche as my GTK+ theme, so lighter wallpapers look better naturally [02:38] I just made the "claar" version because some of the people found the lion too dark... [02:38] damianvila: claar looks very good [02:38] better than the original imo [02:39] It's just the same, but using a different color as backgound [02:39] yeah - I'm speaking about the color value =) [02:39] the lighter color does wonders [02:39] (And I also had to change the border, because the regular lion was too dark for "claar") [02:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Animals?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=elephant-ubuntu.jpg my favorite [02:40] damianvila: claar also has what seems a more natural colour for a lion, so the brown looks less forced [02:40] The slight branding of the logo, without "screaming" it is what I like [02:40] the branding is okay - I just think the elephant color is too dark [02:40] Yes I know. But the original animals color were a bit depressing lol [02:42] wfarr: The elephant color is whats being used anyway, and it shows that brown can be done [02:42] Zebras and giraffes are OK and funny to work with, but lions and elephants are a little boring... :-) [02:42] I still think the beige/light brown of lion-claar looks infinitely better [02:43] Well, the truth is, the original pictires add almost no color to the wallpaper [02:43] *pictures [02:43] What you did with the lion face, could you possible do that with an ubuntu logo in lion-claar? [02:44] That might be interesting [02:44] The background color is the one who gives each wallpaper its color, so I can make them in any color === buttercups [n=me@adsl-70-224-68-177.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:44] nekiruhs: I tried several ways to brand the wallpaper, but the one you see in the wiki is the one that worked best [02:45] damianvila: it does look good [02:45] http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9327/screenshotpu4.png [02:45] The texture is so heavy that any "ghost" logo is lost and looks rather bland... [02:45] that's my desktop with lion-claar's branded version [02:46] :-) [02:46] With GIMP or any other app you can change it to blue in a breeze if you want [02:46] it looks pretty depressing with lion or elephant, but lion-claar makes it feel a lot "warmer" [02:47] nah - I think the beige/tan looks warm and inviting [02:48] I definitely agree with the lighter, clear white branding. A lot of the time, people make the Ubuntu logo way too obtrusive under some weird assumption that the colours are needed. Nicely, though, this is one of those excellent logos that does not rely on its colours to be recognized! [02:48] Yes, good logos must admit being printed/shown in B&W [02:49] dmccall: So true, most people over-emphasize the colors over the shape [02:50] As for the darker ones being depressing, I don't really get that vibe, but something about them seems more like a rug to me, whereas lion-claar and the elephant one seem to be still attached to something alive. Would probably go over a bit better with the vegetarians ;) [02:50] lol [02:50] lol === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:51] I assure you no lion or elephant was harmed in the making of the wallpaper... [02:52] Hi BHSPitMonkey [02:53] hi... === BHSPitMonkey away [02:54] No monkeys harmed either... [02:54] Any more news on the revision of the default wallpaper, to remove the artifacts? [02:55] Yes, seems like kwwii will try to get rid of the artifacts [02:56] There was somenthing in the forums about that [02:56] Artwork freeze exception then? [02:56] Kind of... [02:56] Looks like the artifacts were a show-stopper [02:58] But one of your wallpapers will be a secondary, still in the default package? [02:58] I heard something like that, but I'm not sure... [02:58] yes [02:59] news on the default wallpaper: [02:59] 06:52:33 < kwwii> I have to say that I somewhat intended this controversy to see if I could provoke people to step up and take action [02:59] 06:53:11 < kwwii> I could have just posted the non-pixelated lighter version (aka original) pic to begin with :-) [03:00] Anyway, I'll try to set up something for people to get all the wallpapers in different versions, seeing that a lot of people liked it. [03:00] damianvila: Like a gutsy-community-wallpapers package? [03:00] I just haven't decided where to put it up... [03:01] Too bad universe is frozen [03:01] Yes, but I was thinking about something like a wallpaper repository or something similar [03:01] Web based [03:01] nekiruhs: no community wallpapers is being handled [03:01] by kwwii, and it will go in [03:02] including damians animals, but as far as the variations of branding, probably not [03:02] damianvila: if you want to make a private repo with the alternate versions [03:03] damianvila: Check out either tuxfamiliy or Launchpad, both can provide you with a repo [03:03] setup an account + ppa on Launchpad [03:03] I can put a small page at my server, but I'm afraid that it'll eat my whole bandwith, being that the images are large... [03:03] wfarr: How much space does LP PPA give you? [03:03] damianvila: 1gb storage - unlimited bw [03:04] and his packages won't be large enough for it to make a difference really [03:04] I have an account: https://launchpad.net/~damianvila [03:04] damianvila: just enable your PPA on that page then =) [03:05] you'll need to go through signing up as an ubuntero if you aren't already, and adding an SSH key [03:05] wfarr: OT : I've been looking in to it, any tutorials for the whole signing source packages and uploading them? [03:05] nekiruhs: yeah, one second [03:06] https://launchpad.net/~damianvila/+archive [03:06] https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [03:07] I need to sign the Ubuntu CCC... [03:07] damianvila: you'll also need to sign a gpg key to do that [03:08] Yes. I'm not very into PGP... :-P [03:08] :p [03:08] I'll have to do some research first === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:09] Also, I need to do it 2 times, since I'm dual booting constantly [03:09] heh [03:11] I'll check that and go it as soon as possible [03:11] *do it === andrewabc [n=18de0d3e@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:17] testing [03:17] Hi LaserJock and andreabc [03:17] *andrewabc [03:18] thougth I'd stop in and say I like your wallpapers. currently my wallpaper on windows XP :) :o [03:18] Hi LaserJock, andrewabc [03:18] jesus christ [03:18] how many people in here now? [03:18] digg [03:18] got to be digg [03:18] lols [03:18] Welcome back troy [03:18] troy_s: + ubuntu forums [03:19] Would be nice if there were more complete docs on the whole process -- who the leader(s) are and what currently needs work, for instance. (The artwork and getinvolved pages aren't very detailed about it.) [03:19] Misosaki: tried that during Edgy. Everything was more or less kaiboshed including the process. [03:20] I think it looks much better with the branding, personally [03:20] As has been discussed in here often, branding is symptomatic of the times. [03:20] troy_s: perhaps [03:21] wfarr: See car / shoe apparel logo sizes through the last 30 years for examples. [03:21] but considering default artwork is generally only featured during so-called reviews of distro releases [03:21] the branding certainly doesn't hurt the cause [03:21] and for average joe sixpack, as is often the argument, they stick around long enough to change it to suit their tastes anyway [03:22] the branding certainly doesn't hurt the cause [03:23] To be quite frank, I find it rather cheesy. [03:23] The wallpapers? [03:23] It should just work as a presence. The people running it know it is Ubuntu for example. That said, it is largely a byproduct of design trends. [03:23] damianvila: The branding issue. [03:23] lol [03:23] troy_s: you seem to be the minority in that regard [03:23] out of the big names [03:23] ubuntu is the only one that comes to mind that doesn't do branding [03:24] wfarr: Garbage. Look to the people who hire educated folks to do the work. MS and Apple for example, use no branding in default installs. [03:24] Thinking of it, I've always get rid of branded backgrounds... [03:24] wfarr: Again, however, it is symptomatic of the contemporary design trends. [03:24] troy_s: ah, but people go out and buy a computer and _know_ they're getting either OSX or Windows [03:24] branding on wallpaper isn't needed there [03:25] (though it exists on the respective boot splashes in both) [03:26] Fedora, Suse, PCLinuxOS, MEPIS, _even_ Debian === andrewabcd [n=18de1712@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:26] all brand either through logos, name, or both [03:26] ahh, ubuntu-art and ubuntu-artwork direct to same place. just wondering :) [03:27] andrewabc: :-) [03:28] brb [03:28] Well, in the first version I used it because Hoary and Breeze used it and it was the reference given... [03:29] But in the finals I get rid of the branding because I feel it's not neccessary [03:29] I think the branding makes your work distinctive without being tacky or obtrusive [03:29] the way you did it is subtle, but evident [03:31] Thanks [03:31] And I really liked it off center, liked the "Mufasa" wallpaper [03:31] Well, in the case of the Animals package, would prefer the branding on it here, if only to make it less of a texture [03:32] Otherwise would say it depends on the image in question [03:32] Sometimes slapping branding on an image doesn't necessarily give consistency between brand and the rest of the image [03:32] Misosaki: oh certainly [03:37]