=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | New Packages Freeze in effect === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by RAOF at Tue Sep 18 08:26:36 2007 [07:05] hey jml [07:06] ajmitch: hi [07:07] how's it going? === ajmitch has yet to switch to the horde character & check out that guild :) [07:08] oh, right. === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.105.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] ajmitch: so, if you are online after 8pm tonight, look for either "Mumak" or "Raskolni" (my toons on Khaz) === ajmitch only has alliance on there [07:10] sorry. [07:10] Frostmourne [07:10] my bad. [07:10] right :) [07:11] so when are you back to enjoy our stunning weather? [07:11] ajmitch: October, most likely. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.252.149] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:29] Ah, OK, so I need to ask udev to add some rules for kvm. === iceman__ [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:32] Cool! My webcam has a driver. [07:33] (Marking is so boring) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] RAOF: When I was at University, I had a job grading programs in the introductory programming course. I got so bored with it that I hired a guy I knew to do it for me. [07:35] Man, I'd totally do that. [07:36] Also, urgh. That would have been worse than 1st year algebra & caluclus. [07:36] ill take boring over the overwhelming agony and dread of grading NachOS projects [07:37] NachOS? Apart from the pun, what is it? === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] "Not another completely heuristic Operating System" [07:38] Right. === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] nachos projects are like "add virtual memory" [07:38] Aaah. [07:38] or "improve the filesystem to support single and double indirects" === LuisBG [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] "Touch a bunch of stuff. Remember: hacks clever enough to confuse the grader score double!" [07:39] oh no [07:40] confusing me is a fast way to lose points [07:40] I would imagine that a number of people would go the awesomely performant obfuscation route, though? [07:40] sometimes [07:41] they fare poorly === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] one clever group included ascii art, including ascii goatse [07:46] in the comments naturally [07:46] O_o [07:47] they're lucky the professor doesnt look at code === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-804f98dce83c6a71] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF cringes at the "use envy to get obsolete nvidia drivers" advice on ubuntuforums === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK gives up on waiting for bacula to finish compiling and goes to bed .... === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@30.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe_ [n=djennewe@71-221-59-251.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] StevenK: I thought you might be interested to know that openssl097 only has one rdpend left in Gutsy.... If someone would teach vmware-player to know about openssl 0.9.8, then it could be removed... === ScottK looked at vmware-player, got confused, and ran away. === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.144.103.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK goes to be really this time. [08:33] Good night all. === Ibalon [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] pkern: yeah, and bzr/bzrtools is rather outdated as well. oh well [09:03] morning folks === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74067.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] good morning [09:07] Guten morgen dholbach [09:07] hey RAOF! [09:07] :-) === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe [n=djennewe@65-102-93-22.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe_ [n=djennewe@71-221-52-218.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-804f98dce83c6a71] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [i=torkel@monsun.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-79d8c3edfe63bd7b] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] Hey dholbach. [09:20] dholbach: Can you tell me if we are planning on having a hard freeze for unverse, and if so, when it comes into effect? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] TheMuso: best to ask slangasek, pitti and Mithrandir in #ubuntu-devel about that [09:23] TheMuso: I don't know === ytojack [n=ytojack@59.35.241.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] dholbach: Ok will do [09:28] TheMuso: gracias === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe__ [n=djennewe@71-221-60-33.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe [n=djennewe@71-221-57-172.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe_ [n=djennewe@71-221-54-202.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-188-110.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-121-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ant30 [n=aperezar@38.Red-80-36-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe__ [n=djennewe@71-221-50-9.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host181-227-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] morning [10:09] hey norsetto [10:10] congratulations norsetto! [10:10] dholbach: hiya master :-) [10:12] heh === jussi01 wonders what the congrats are in order for... [10:13] jussi01: I just turned 86 [10:13] lol [10:13] norsetto: how so...? === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.144.103.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@196.205.22.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@196.205.22.58] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74831.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-041-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] should i be worried if top shows http as the most active process? [10:34] http or httpd? [10:34] http [10:34] good point [10:38] I would be worried. But then again I don't run HTTP servers, so I wouldn't know. [10:38] its aptget [10:38] top just shows http [10:38] but it's apt get downloading packages in the background [10:39] neat. desmume is packaged. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra1 [n=ogra@p548AEEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 [n=alessand@host200-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LuisBG [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N753P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BlueT_Malaysia [n=matthew@blog.psinfo.com.tw] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] <\sh> is anyone using gajim right now? [11:04] <\sh> moins btw === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@wpa-n2-197.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] ok, i think i found a package i'd like to push an upstream exception for. [11:13] from a testing standpoint, the version's already in debian testing === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pfein_ [n=pfein@200.sub-70-194-206.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] siretart: Apart from that it was quite intuitive on Ubuntu, thanks to the documentation. [11:21] :) === Kabyl [n=XSource@41.201.212.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] pkern: feel free to update bzr and friends on bpo. I think I've done it in the past, but its not that high on my todo list [11:22] since I don't have an debian etch machine around atm === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] siretart: Do you know if there are special dependencies to satisfy? [11:23] no. the backport used to be very straightforward [11:23] however I haven't looked at the new pyrex stuff yet. bzr is now arch:any (used to be arch:all) [11:24] pkern: are you already in the bpo keyring? [11:24] siretart: Sure. [11:24] cool! [11:24] siretart: Ages ago. Used it for Gobby backports. ;) [11:25] :) [11:25] siretart: Hm. Only 0.18-1 could possibly be backported because that's the version in testing. (New policy.) [11:26] siretart: (bzr) But maybe it propagates in two days time. === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] pkern: only if someone gets hold of neuro to fix the mips buildd chroot :/ [11:33] what's the command to automagically fix the maintainers field? [11:33] upadate-maintainer [11:33] thats what it was [11:36] siretart: Maybe dato could place a hint? Strangely enough it does not list mips as outdated in excuses, probably because it's still `building' and not failed somehow. === nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === adamh [n=adam@196.41.59.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] If a package *isn't* in Universe/Multiverse and nobody is responding to my clear bug report (which has included a solution for over 9 months), how do I go about making sure the bug doesn't become "Invalid"? [11:46] (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opensp/+bug/36005 by the way) [11:46] Launchpad bug 36005 in opensp "Errors parsing XHTML DTD" [Medium,Invalid] === LuisBG [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] i suggest marching to canonical headquarters [11:47] usually, i'd also recommend armaments, but the UK frowns on carrynig [11:48] How can I at least remove its "Invalid" status? [11:48] by clicking on invalid? [11:49] Ooh fantastic. Thanks :) [11:49] Should I mark it "New" then? [11:49] i think you'd be better off reporting this upstream and linking in launchpad [11:49] incomplete [11:50] There already is a report in Debian. The bug isn't upstream, it's a packaging bug. [11:50] How hard is it to join the Debian QA team to modify bug importances? [11:51] pkern: talk to bdmurray in #ubuntu-bugs (US timezone) about it (in case you mean Ubuntu QA ;-)) [11:52] pkern: it should be fairly easy if you demonstrate your familiarity with distribution bugs :) === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] dholbach: Ok. ;) === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] dholbach: Is there s.th. I should read up before he questions me? [11:54] pkern: I believe there's some explanation on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [i=Future@nat/ibm/x-8519ad42f2764905] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cormil [n=3eacea15@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] pkern: he could, but this would horribly break bzr on mips - so he rather waits for neuro === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy [n=proppy@free.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] hi === _nu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] hi proppy [12:27] dholbach: since you got rid of me, what about taking up a new contributor (much better than me, so you gain in the swap)? === nuu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] huh? [12:40] norsetto: congratulations ! [12:41] proppy: hey, thx [12:41] how do i get pbuilder to generate a log for attaching to lp? [12:42] pwnguin: sudo pbuilder build --logfile logfile.txt package.dsc [12:43] norsetto: talked to him :) [12:43] Or sudo pbuilder build package.dsc | tee logfile.txt [12:43] dholbach: :-) should I update the reception list? [12:43] norsetto: already done [12:43] StevenK: Yeah that too. [12:44] i see a few with I: Using pkgname logfile [12:44] dholbach: bloody german efficiency ..... [12:44] not quite sure how they managed that === dholbach hugs norsetto [12:44] norsetto: are you still a motu-mentoring-receptionist ? [12:44] norsetto: I'm so happy you're a MOTU now === norsetto hugs the Master [12:45] proppy: of course, THEY won't get rid of me easily === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] norsetto: Let's mail you so :) [12:46] I'll be happy to have you as a mentor, but I guess that's not really my choice [12:48] when anyone gets a chance, I'd appreaciate a look at bug 144389 [12:48] Launchpad bug 144389 in desmume "Upstream version 0.7.3 available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144389 [12:48] proppy: well, let me get used being a motu first, and we have quite a number of good mentors already available [12:49] norsetto: mailed [12:52] norsetto: is ScottK a mentor ? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@139.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] hi! === nil is preparing a package with binaries and a common lib === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nil finally solved the soname problems [01:08] i still have a question.... [01:08] should I install /lib/foo.so.1.2 and add the links? or is there an automatic tool for that? === norsetto [n=Cesare@host181-227-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] I mean, a tool to rename /lib/foo.so to /lib/foo.so.1.2 accordinf to the soname, and add the links /lib/foo.so.1 and /lib/foo.so [01:10] (/usr/lib/, in fact....) [01:13] is REVU still alive? [01:13] pwnguin: Yes. === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] some of the documentation suggests REVU2 is going to replace it [01:14] Well this is why we are looking to clean up the docs. [01:14] That's a few millenia away, I suspect. === phoenix [n=phoenix@144022.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] fun [01:15] well i should get some sleep === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Fujitsu: Come now. You sound like ScottK. [01:21] is there any obvious reason this line causes a .config script to break? [01:21] RAW=`dpkg --get-selections mediawiki1.\* | grep -v math | egrep 'mediawiki1.7|mediawiki1.9'` [01:21] i cant see anything wrong per se, but thats the last line that executes [01:22] StevenK: He has largely replaced me for this cycle, but he's leaving, so I need to get back into gear. === pochu [n=emilio@84.121.1.235.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.212.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] I am having a look at packages with unmet dependencies... [01:30] I have spotted that a package called iceweasel-torbutton, is depending on iceweasel... and of course there is no iceweasel [01:31] can I simply make it depend on firefox ? [01:32] There's a bug open about that. [01:33] pkern: I'll have a look... [01:33] pkern: thanks [01:33] huats: 137513 [01:34] huats: You probably have to tweak the package to install the files into the correct directories, too. [01:34] pkern: I'll have a look === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ucap [n=ucap@212-41-97-235.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] moin all === Lamego [i=Future@nat/ibm/x-3547a583eecc241c] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] dholbach: /c [01:51] dholbach: sorry, :) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@cinf166.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-241-181-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] Good morning all. [02:04] hi mate [02:04] Heya Kamping_Kaiser [02:04] Hi ScottK. [02:04] ScottK, how goes? [02:05] Could be better. It could be worse. === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-9d244842c7d8debd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host181-227-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] the wikimedia install bug is driving me nuts. getting some good help from bash though. === TLE [n=kenneth@cinf166.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [i=torkel@monsun.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] morning [02:08] hi === TLE [n=kenneth@cinf166.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe [n=djennewe@71-221-50-9.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] might head back tomorrow, hopefully with a fix. later. === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["You] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bueroman [n=setanta@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dfiloni [n=dfiloni@87.6.249.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@92.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] how much of make should I learn for MOTU'ing? should I know and understand everything in http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html ? [02:58] highvoltage: based on hte fact that i'm a core dev, and know almost zilch? [02:58] highvoltage: you can probably pick it up as you need it [03:00] Unless upstream are doing so you probably want to avoid anything complicated anyway on the basis that other people need to be able to understand what you've written. [03:00] Hobbsee: shew, I was just about to work through that [03:00] Hobbsee: I guess I'll mark that for 'later' then :) [03:00] hehe :) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] from what I've read so far, it certaibly seems handy knowing a bit about make [03:01] Hobbsee: do you know if becoming a motu has specific requirements? or is it still a bit fuzzy? [03:01] highvoltage: you need to know what you're doing, obviously [03:02] highvoltage: to have gotten a fair bit of stuff uploaded, to have your patches, debdiffs, etc, right [03:02] highvoltage: to not propose to upload crap during freezes [03:02] highvoltage: etc [03:02] aah [03:02] Hobbsee: thanks, that gives me a good idea [03:02] highvoltage: basically, i'ts that we have the impression that your'e trustworthy to upload, adn wont upload crap. [03:03] I've been making packages for a while, not for Ubuntu,ut I haven't worked with patches and debdiffs before [03:03] and will actually follow freezes and such, so as not to break the archive. === norsetto [n=Cesare@host181-227-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] the details of that, however, are somewhat fuzzy. *shrug* [03:03] highvoltage: neat :) === highvoltage respects freezes [03:03] you'll learn it [03:04] Hobbsee: thanks for the pointers [03:04] no problem [03:05] evening Hobbsee [03:05] hiya norsetto [03:05] welcome to u-u-s btw [03:06] highvoltage: always good to look at the mailing archive and wiki pages for others that applied === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] imbrandon: ah yes, good idea [03:06] hey norsetto [03:06] ;) [03:06] hey imbrandon [03:06] heya guys [03:07] highvoltage: hi ghvoltage :-) === paran_ [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cormil [n=3eacea15@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pcmacman [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu_ [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure_ [n=lure@212.103.157.87] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy [n=proppy@251.9.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] hi === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luka74 [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cormil [n=3eacea15@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@62.6.158.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-130-161.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@70-101-97-67.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-3d6c42e3f136a8c1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] Is there some good reading material on data-only packages? === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] hello? [04:20] hi [04:20] hi [04:21] I'm trying to figure out how to package some data stuff ... === Hobbsee has no idea, sorry. [04:21] does somebody know where PGP keys are stored? :P [04:21] although i'm presuming something like foo-data packages would be a good thing to look at [04:21] RainCT: ~/.gnupg, most likely. [04:22] Hobbsee, I thought the same thing... but they're all bundled packages... like miro has miro-data included, and I can't figure out what it is that makes it tick [04:22] RAOF: poke [04:23] Hobbsee: thanks :) [04:23] hendrixski: what's the problem? [04:23] hendrixski: there's a dependency to the data package [04:23] you want to package two packages? [04:24] ivoks, RainCT, yeah in the one I'm looking at as an example : debian/control file hsa both the data and the regular package named in it [04:24] one is miro... the other is miro-data [04:25] right [04:25] and I was hoping to recreate a data-only package to suppliment something [04:25] well, it's easy [04:25] but from just looking at the package itself, it's not apparent to me how to do that === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] there is miro-data.install file in debian/ [04:25] all directories listed in that file go to miro-data [04:26] right [04:26] and all direcotries listed in miro.install go to miro package [04:26] ivoks, yup, then what part of the script reads that miro-data.install and decides which files to isntall in those directories? [04:26] Heya gang [04:26] hendrixski: so you want a standalone -data package? [04:27] Hi bddebian! [04:27] Heya geser [04:27] hendrixski: debian/rules read that files [04:27] RainCT, yeah, basically... something to suppliment another thing I'm doing... as a hobby === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] hendrixski: dh_install reads the the install files and gets called from debian/rules [04:28] hendrixski: if you haven't done any packaging till now, miro isn't the easiest one to learn on :D [04:28] miro uses cdbs, so it's kind of crypted for beginners === hendrixski has done a very small amount of personal-hobby packaging [04:29] ivoks, oh, Ok... yeah, I probably wouldn't be doing cdbs :-/ is there an easier package you would recommend I look at? [04:30] um... wifi-radar?:D === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] hendrixski: If I undestand you correctly then you just need to call dh_install on the rules file and have a listing all files (you can use *) and where they should go [04:31] I actually find cdbs easier for beginners [04:31] uh.. what's needed to do in order that debuild works with seahorse? [04:32] Use Gutsy === jussi_ [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-110.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] Lamego: but then you have people packaging packages without even knowing what they are doing [04:33] RainCT, cool, so then is there somewhere else I have to specify which files go into which of the directores listed in packagename.install? [04:33] RainCT: or lookup that old bug in devscripts which contains a workaround === jussio1 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] ivoks, not really, expanding simple makefile rules into some tens of lines to do a simple "file install" does not improve most people understanding [04:35] ok, thx [04:35] but well, this is my oppinion :) === RainCT agrees with ivoks [04:36] alrighty, well, I'll look through the wifi radar thing and if I don't figure it out I'll come back with more questions [04:36] thanks === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] not to mention the differences for mentoring, if you provide me a 4 lines debian/rules I can check your packaging in a few minutes , if you do that with a 40 lines debian/rules, I will take much more, even if they do exactly the same :) [04:41] that's true, though :P === luisbg [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [i=tmarble@nat/sun/x-7d33ca26a4202c85] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] if you want to understand, you read, there is a cdbs documentation, and you can read the cdbs rules [04:42] what I agree with, is that, with cdbs, people which do not want to understand how a makefile works, can easily package === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=bluekuja@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] anyway, this is an eternal debate about education practices :) [04:47] long live cdbs! [04:47] boo [04:47] isn't it better to lower the barriers to entry for new contributors? [04:47] Lure: looks like things are getting better on the installer front :D [04:47] ivoks: have seen that bug was closed [04:47] cdbs should die a horrible death! :) [04:47] yeah [04:48] ivoks: we got some negative feedback due to that bug in slovenia too [04:48] hendrixski: untill the barrier becomes too low and no one understands the underlying system anymore [04:48] bddebian: and should be replaced with cdbs2? :) [04:48] hendrixski: Why so we can lower the quality too? :-) [04:48] ivoks: btw, nice catch [04:48] imbrandon: then you would have ebuilds ;) [04:48] Lure: it took almost a year :/ [04:48] zul: hehe [04:48] CDBS ftw! [04:48] ivoks: I know, but it is nice it will be in beta [04:48] yeah [04:48] imbrandon: not there is anything wrong with that [04:48] lower barrier to entry != lower quality [04:49] it means more eyes for Linus' law [04:49] hendrixski: in theory yes, in reality more true [04:49] well, you need to find the balance [04:49] and the balance is not about "keep it hard" :P [04:49] Lure: from the start i knew the problem was with 'any', but didn't figure it out why it still builds with 'any', despite the fact there is no 'any' in symbols any more :D [04:50] turns out those symbols there are just to make source bigger :D [04:50] ivoks: ;-) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaleo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] Hello [04:56] Lamego: It's not about keeping it hard but people still need to understand how things actually work. I've been doing this stuff of a few years now and there is still TONS that I don't know. [04:57] who started the entire difficult=educational myth anyways? === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] documentation=educational, yes .... doing-it = educational, yes... but difficult just equals difficult [04:58] hendrixski: Some things are difficult, that's life. I can't tell you how many "VB Programmers" I know that make a living with VB without the slightest bit of true programming knowledge/understanding [04:59] bddebian, I agree, but if you introduce people to a hard learning curve, you don't have much people willing to understand [04:59] Easy breeds complacency [04:59] No one reads documentation [04:59] is is like that those software approaches of "#Please remove this line to be able to start the program" === bluekuja [n=andrea@host104-235-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] like it is some certificate that by removing a comment, you have read the configuration file, and will know how to use the software === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] bddebian, even VB programmers read documentation... the rest of them become stories on worsethanfailure.com [05:01] sometimes they even provide some other lazy unsecure default, but what matters, is that the line was uncommented :P [05:01] hey, I have been a VB programmer :P [05:02] don't speak about VB, you remember that I've to learn it at school :( lol [05:02] hendrixski: Usually only to steal the chunks of code to make something work :-) [05:02] Lamego, and you probably read documentation then as well [05:02] sure, I just was able to develop faster (yes, I am not saying better) [05:03] oop time for the dvr'd Dr. Who i missed, bbiab [05:03] and I had to read a lot more to program in C/C++ :P [05:03] Do you think it is still possible to get a package synced from Debian that is not yet in Gutsy at all? [05:03] Kaleo: Unlikely but you can file a UVFe for it if you want === Tonio__ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] bddebian: I would rather save myself this cost if the probability of it being accepted is very little and come back for Gutsy+1 [05:06] (and the teacher doesn't even know what a loop is xDD) [05:07] bddebian: I am referring to two packages for which requests have been filed two months ago (bugs #128473 and #128205) [05:07] Launchpad bug 128473 in elisa "import python-lirc depends from Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128473 [05:07] Launchpad bug 128205 in elisa "import python-coherence depends from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128205 [05:08] Kaleo: Hmm, that's odd. Were they ever confirmed by anyone or assigned to Ubuntu Archive? [05:08] elisa is an interesting package === jekil2 [n=alessand@host200-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] bddebian: I do not think so === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-110.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.97.48] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:33] Kaleo: Well that sucks. It's pretty unlikely it would get in then but you could try a UVFe. === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] [05:36] bddebian: thanks for looking into it, I'll try. === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === POX_ [i=piotr@stallman.rootnode.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dpm [n=dpm@p54A13C3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-130-161.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === perher [n=per@c-51f872d5.1316-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@ubuntu/member/davromaniak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro-desktop [n=davro@ubuntu/member/davromaniak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@CPE00095be80fce-CM001868e2c60e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] Is there some quick and dirty way to get shlibs without pulling the source? === damir_1105 [n=damir-11@91.191.27.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] Can't you run dh_shlibs (or whatever it's called)? [06:23] ScottK: thx for the ack ! [06:23] ScottK: I mean I need to see what shlibs a package provides. If that makes any sense [06:23] Ah. OK. I understand. [06:23] Nevermind [06:24] bddebian: is it ok for you to download the deb? [06:24] yeah that would be one way, I just thought ajmitch had shown me some way to do it [06:25] dpkg-deb -I shlibs === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] aye, thx [06:26] OK another question. :-) Is there a "packaging" tag? [06:26] needs-packaging [06:27] No, this requestor wants a -lib binary from an existing package :-) [06:27] ah [06:27] Well I guess that could be needs-packaging [06:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags [06:28] "packaging" doesn't match fully [06:29] Aye. Hmm === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-a640cbd36760216e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@adsl-75-5-124-98.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl5402BA1B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] proppy: To answer your question from a while ago about mentoring: I don't participate in the formal mentoring program and so have no mentees assigned. I'm glad to help anyone out and answer questions here as I have time. === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-130-161.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] Anyone want to tell me what this does and how I can make it work with dash? :-) : > "${FILENAME/file/type_symlink}" ? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] bddebian: Does FILENAME always contain the string file? [06:44] If that is the case, "${FILENAME%file*}type_symlink${FILENAME#*file}" comes to mind. [06:45] If using sed is not a problem, "$(echo "$FILENAME" | sed s/file/type_symlink/)" [06:47] soren: I did some bug triage on network-manager-openvpn. Do you have code available for pull support? === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] pkern: No. It turned out not to be quite as easy as I though. [06:49] soren: Guessed so. Ok. [06:51] ion_: I'll try that, thanks! === Pumpernickle [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [06:54] soren: Do you want to stay assigned to that bug? === ant30 [n=ant30@85.136.38.154.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] pkern: You can have it, if you want it :) [06:57] soren: I would rather unassign it first and then have a look at it later. (: But I will keep track of it. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger__ [n=me@M3084P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@81.84.194.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcel [n=marcel@lt3.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davi_ [i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] scottK: hi scott [07:21] Hi norsetto === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host200-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] ScottK: nice === toutouff [n=nicolas@appart.craftynetwork.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] anyone know what time of day siretart is normally active? === norsetto [n=Cesare@79.23.227.181] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] pwnguin: He's in .de. IIRC Usually evening his time. === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] proppy: did you get my message today? I'm not sure as I had some net trouble === gnomonic [n=niels@80.62.135.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] lets see, add seven hours.... [07:47] kinda wish that irc bot user analysis now =/ === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.241.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.238.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] so if i want to bring a package directly from debian to ubuntu with no changes, the big things to check are 1) changelog, 2) Section to universe and 3) maintainers field, right? === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-3975abba6a4797ac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.241.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-afd416df8e160115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdomsch [n=Matt_Dom@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === avoine [n=avoine@193.231-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] uh so who are the candidates re: sispoty's email === danny [n=danny@dslb-084-056-190-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@74.255.74.109] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === infinito [n=infinito@87.217.161.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cormil_ [n=53be60da@207.250.49.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stani [n=stani@p5089A641.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erable [n=ubuntu@AMontpellier-157-1-186-236.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto_limbo [n=Cesare@host181-227-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-0fc3ba3afaa5395c] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bryce_ [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD4823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] what version should i choose for a svn version? package-2.4~svn20070924 ? or with the revision number? [09:53] package-2.4~svn20070924-0ubuntu1 === javierder [n=javier@OL124-111.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hermanthegerman [n=danny@dslb-084-056-190-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-74-65-3-206.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] geser: ok. any change if that package neither exists in debian nor ubuntu? and if its already in the debian/ubuntu repos, but was rewritten? (like my avidemux package :d ) [10:02] still the same [10:02] ok, thanks [10:03] -0ubuntu1 means that this is the first ubuntu change to the zero revision in Debian, which means that Debian hasn't this package or version yet [10:04] ok, thats interesting. === cfalco [n=cfalco@h171-ipv4-80-68-181.mynet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] does ubuntu accept non-final packages (well, it did so with gaim beta in feisty for example)? and, let's dream, my packaging is ok, compiles under all architectures, how could i try to get it into ubuntu? [10:08] Kopfgeldjaeger: Yes. RIght now though no as we are near release (not accepting new packages at all). [10:08] yes, i know that with the newPkgsUniverseFreeze [10:08] OK. Just making sure. [10:09] Generally it's not a problem. === bersace_ [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] i think till heardyPackagesFreeze i will get this .svn/entries file out of the deb package *g === bersace_ [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === avoine [n=avoine@193.231-ppp.3menatwork.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === bersace_ [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] Hrm, what sudo command do we use for desktop files that could be KDE or gnome? [10:24] any idea why this one .svn/entries file is in the changelog? or, how to avoid the svn files from going into the orig.tar.gz at all? [10:25] find ./ -name *.svn |xargs rm [10:25] ah, ok, in the .svn/entries file is the last checkout timestaamp [10:26] bddebian: is this the usual way? [10:26] If you are producing your own tarball it is as good a way as any [10:27] ok, thanks to you all. good night === tristanbob [n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] what is the procedure for getting a new package (not in debian or ubuntu) accepted into universe? [10:31] and of course debian as well [10:32] tristanbob: First thing is we aren't accepting new packages right now because we are near a release. [10:32] !REVU | tristanbob [10:32] tristanbob: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [10:32] ScottK: of course - this will be 8.04 [10:33] We are near release of 7.10 and so 8.04 is the next chance for a new package. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] When do you plan to start again reviews of packages in the revu? === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] morning [10:42] Heya ajmitch [10:42] cfalco: Never if we are lucky ;-) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] cfalco: MOTUs are free to review anytime, but don't expect much at all until after Gutsy is released and the Hardy repositories are open. [10:45] Afternoon ajmitch [10:46] ScottK: just as I thought [10:46] I should stop lame Motus for reviewing until gutsy release, right? ;) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] cfalco: If they want to, there is no harm. No reason you couldn't have your package reviewed, advocated, and ready for upload the day the Hardy repos open. Don't hold your breath though. [10:51] ScottK: when is gutsy due for release? [10:51] morning ajmitch [10:51] October 18 IIRC. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] Usually the repos for the new release follow by a week or two or three. [10:52] pwnguin: from time to time... [10:52] cfalco: in any case it seems your package is not far off the spot.... === pfein_ is now known as pfein [10:54] siretart: The reason he's looking for you is he filed a UVFe for desmume and since you set yourself as maintainer on the package, I thought he should see what you thought about it. [10:56]