[08:49] <kraut> moin
[09:02] <soren> lamont: No, but you were the one who did the change?
[09:04] <kgoetz> win 21
[09:05] <soren> lose 47
[09:09] <soren> lamont: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.4.5-3/changelog  see the entry for 2.4.5-2 along with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437937 :)
[09:09] <ubotu> Debian bug 437937 in postfix "postfix: Shouldn't recommend mail-reader" [Normal,Fixed] 
[09:34] <kgoetz> win 21
[09:34] <kgoetz> ffs. not again
[09:44] <sahafeez> dumb question - running rysnc...i get rsync: failed to set times on "/data/Music/.": Operation not permitted (1) -
[09:44] <sahafeez> i set that dir to chmod a+rwx
[09:45] <sahafeez> there is no way i can make the owner match.
[09:58] <soren> sahafeez: You can't do that then.
[09:59] <sahafeez> that is very lame.
[09:59] <soren> sahafeez: Only root can change the time stamps of other people's files.
[09:59] <soren> sahafeez: I find it quite reassuring that random users cannot change my timestamps, actually?
[09:59] <sahafeez> okay, riddle me this. the owner of that file is replaced by the uploaders (rsync) usersname on sync. it was root.users and changed to the username used for ssh
[10:00] <sahafeez> so root.user becomes sahafeez.sahafeez
[10:01] <soren> That's a bit confusing...
[10:01] <sahafeez> yes..
[10:01] <soren> Two machines... Which user on which machines is running rsync over which protocol as which remote user?
[10:01] <sahafeez> i will have to look at it a bit i think..
[10:01] <sahafeez> same username - differnet uid
[10:02] <soren> Over ssh?
[10:02] <sahafeez> yah
[10:02] <sahafeez> i think i am looking at something wrong..
[10:02] <sahafeez> one sec.
[10:02] <soren> And you have a file that used to be owned by root which is now owned by someone else?
[10:03] <sahafeez> hum, yes i thought so, but no. i missed the part of the file being deleted and replaced
[10:03] <sahafeez> thus the username chagne
[10:03] <soren> That would do it, yes.
[10:03] <sahafeez> so if i change the owner to the ssh users will they beable to update the time
[10:04] <soren> Some of them, yes.
[10:04] <sahafeez> the ones i care about in this case
[10:04] <sahafeez> thanks. that makes things clear.
[10:04] <soren> Rock :)
[10:05] <sahafeez> i asumed like an ass if i gave full rights to all that they time stamp went with it..
[10:06] <sahafeez> ugh - what perms do i want for group rw and cd
[10:06] <sahafeez> i just did chmod -R a+rw-x but then i cannot change the dir as a user :)
[10:25] <soren> sahafeez: To cd into a directory you need execute permissions.
[10:25] <soren> sahafeez: Actually, to reference anything in the directory, you need execute privileges.
[10:26] <sahafeez> yah, remember that after i could not do it :() I should not be doing this at 130am..
[10:26] <sahafeez> thanks for your help. i got it sorted. you pointed me the correct way..
[10:29] <soren> sahafeez: :) np
[10:29] <sahafeez> gnight!
[10:29] <soren> 'night.
[11:41] <BurnAlting> I have been scanning the net for the past few hours attempting to get a definite answer as to what hardware raid HBA's work under 7.04 - I can only see SUGGESTIONS that the Adaptec ServeRAID or LSI Megaraid MAY WORK ... it's as if one has to 'suck it and see'
[11:43] <ivoks> BurnAlting: ubuntu supports much more
[11:44] <BurnAlting> ivoks: Where do I find a reference to them
[11:44] <ivoks> i don't think there's a list of supported hardware :/
[11:46] <ivoks> if you tell me what you have, i could tell you if it is supported
[11:46] <ivoks> range of supported hardware is too big to fit on one web page, but, yeah, we should do something like that...
[11:46] <ivoks> at least for most common hardware
[11:47] <BurnAlting> ivoks: I have nothing ... I want to buy a card to work in a IBM 3650 box ... perhaps the ServeRAID card (Adaptec 9580W) works already but I just can't find a positive statement saying it does.
[11:54] <ivoks> supported by aacraid driver
[11:56] <ivoks> (in 7.04)
[11:56] <BurnAlting> ivoks: Thanks
[11:56] <ivoks> np
[02:34] <lamont> soren: heh.  yeah, I did that
[02:35] <soren> lamont: <g>
 I frequently don't want to know about packages I uploaded 5 minutes ago.
[02:37] <soren> So sad.. :)
[02:38] <lamont> I forget how long ago I said that, I think it was in ubuntu-devel :-)
[03:16] <heno> dendrobates: did you register on the QA tracker as 'rsclark3' or is that someone else?
[03:16] <dendrobates> heno: someone else.
[03:18] <heno> dendrobates: heh, ok. He's signed up for server test cases as well, so I was a bit in doubt :)  https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/subscriptions
[03:20] <dendrobates> heno: I am registered as dendrobates.  I do not have access to that subscription page, though.
[03:32] <heno> dendrobates: oh, is that restricted access? try now. I've given you some admin powers
[03:32] <dendrobates> heno: works now, thanks.
[06:06] <wolfeySI> hello any idea why after installing apache, apache wouldnt know its AddType command?
[06:06] <mralphabet> wolfeySI: how did you install apache?
[06:07] <wolfeySI> apt-get install apache2 and some other modules
[06:07] <wolfeySI> then i tried to copy my old configuration over
[06:08] <mralphabet> how old?
[06:08] <wolfeySI> up to a year old
[06:08] <wolfeySI> anyway for start, can i get default config back?
[06:10] <wolfeySI> mhm
[06:10] <wolfeySI> anyway i'm surprised i get this error
[06:10] <wolfeySI> like some default module is not installed at all
[06:10] <mralphabet> what is the error?
[06:10] <wolfeySI> Syntax error on line 22 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.conf:
[06:10] <wolfeySI> Invalid command 'AddType', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[06:11] <wolfeySI> i tried googling for it
[06:11] <wolfeySI> found i'm not only one, but no solutions
[06:11] <mralphabet> and what is the line?
[06:12] <soren> wolfeySI: Is mod_mime enabled?
[06:12] <wolfeySI> AddType application/x-x509-ca-cert .crt
[06:12] <wolfeySI> soren: now no idea
[06:12] <soren> wolfeySI: "sudo a2enmod mime"
[06:12] <soren> wolfeySI: That's where the AddType directive comes from.
[06:12] <wolfeySI> This module does not exist!
[06:13] <soren> Which version of Ubuntu is this?
[06:13] <wolfeySI> latest
[06:13] <soren> feisty or gutsy beta?
[06:13] <mralphabet> wolfeySI: todays?
[06:13] <wolfeySI> feisty
[06:13] <wolfeySI> latest stable
[06:14] <wolfeySI> so i guess i need to install this module
[06:14] <mralphabet> do you have mime.load in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.load ?
[06:15] <wolfeySI> no such file
[06:15] <wolfeySI> even in mods-available only thing is mime-magic
[06:16] <wolfeySI> so any idea what to install?
[06:17] <soren> wolfeySI: Do you have apache2.2-common installed?
[06:17] <wolfeySI> yes
[06:17] <wolfeySI> says latest installed
[06:18] <soren> Hang on...
[06:18] <soren> Did you manually move anything around in /etc/apache2 to restore your old config?
[06:19] <mralphabet> 11:04 < wolfeySI> then i tried to copy my old configuration over
[06:19] <soren> There's your problem, I'd say.
[06:19] <soren> You messed that up somehow.
[06:20] <nealmcb> what did you copy it over from?
[06:20] <wolfeySI> whole /etc/apache2 from 9 months installation on old server
[06:20] <wolfeySI> 9 months old
[06:20] <wolfeySI> so what's the big deal?
[06:20] <nealmcb> old ubuntu server?
[06:21] <wolfeySI> yes
[06:21] <nealmcb> what release?
[06:21] <wolfeySI> dapper i think
[06:21] <wolfeySI> whatever was stable last november
[06:21] <nealmcb> I wouldn't think you'd want the whole directory - just the parts you modified....
[06:21] <wolfeySI> but nevermind i'm losing patience here..
[06:21] <wolfeySI> i installed it more or less the same
[06:22] <wolfeySI> and now basic command doesnt work
[06:22] <wolfeySI> which works everywhere else
[06:22] <wolfeySI> this ubuntu way of splitting one thing into zillion modules is really helping
[06:22] <wolfeySI> now for support channel you seem awfully out of ideas
[06:22] <wolfeySI> am i wrong?
[06:23] <nealmcb> some parts of the configuration files are updated with new releases
[06:23] <nealmcb> so you can't just overwrite them with old stuff
[06:23] <wolfeySI> can you at least tell me how to get config files that are part of release back
[06:23] <wolfeySI> nealmcb: wrong i always do that
[06:23] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:23] <wolfeySI> dpkg-reconfigure apache2 does nothing
[06:23] <wolfeySI> any other magic command
[06:24] <nealmcb> do you have a diff of the original dapper release and your changes?  apply that sort of diff to the new config
[06:24] <wolfeySI> still i dont quite understand this
[06:24] <wolfeySI> all what is troubling me know is why 'AddType' command is not known
[06:24] <nealmcb> for most people it is just a few site files and some changes to the main file, not all the mods-available etc
[06:24] <wolfeySI> is command itself specified by 'config'
[06:25] <nealmcb> ?
[06:25] <wolfeySI> or there's some essential module that wasnt installed
[06:25] <soren> wolfeySI: I have to say, I don't particularly like your tone.. Nevertheless, to restore the original config, you "apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common" and then apt-get install it again.
[06:26] <nealmcb> I think that by changing stuff in mods-available etc to an old version you've fouled up some aspect of the distribution
[06:26] <soren> wolfeySI: Yes, AddType is unknown because you don't load mod_mime anymore because you nuked the config for it.
[06:26] <wolfeySI> ahh ok
[06:26] <nealmcb> wolfeySI: and remember, we're all volunteers :-)
[06:27] <nealmcb> well, most of us....
[06:27] <soren> :)
[06:28] <wolfeySI> i understand yes... i have little problem with ubuntu myself, but i'm required to work with it
[06:28] <wolfeySI> i'm more gentoo fan myself, but cant choose here
[06:28] <soren> Where?
[06:28] <wolfeySI> at small company
[06:28] <nealmcb> slovenia?
[06:28] <wolfeySI> yes
[06:29] <nealmcb> I sing songs from a bunch of balkan countries :-)
[06:29] <wolfeySI> well balkan is fun region
[06:29] <wolfeySI> kind of 'wild wild east'
[06:29] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:30] <nealmcb> yeah - lots of material for songs :-)
[06:30] <soren> Just a friendly word of advice. Pointing out that you're "losing patience" and telling people that they're "awfully out of ideas" is not a good strategy to get help.
[06:30] <wolfeySI> soren: i waited good 20 minutes before writing that
[06:31] <wolfeySI> then suddenly i get some answers
[06:31] <wolfeySI> i think it was worth writing it
[06:31] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:31] <nealmcb> Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[06:31] <soren> We were already helping you when you wrote it.
[06:32] <wolfeySI> i had it before a bit messed up
[06:32] <wolfeySI> but since i have you... virtual hosts should go where?
[06:32] <wolfeySI> sites-available or what?
[06:33] <wolfeySI> or vhosts?
[06:33] <soren> sites-available.
[06:33] <soren> And then you symlink to them from sites-enabled.
[06:33] <wolfeySI> ok
[06:34] <nealmcb> !apache > wolfeySI
[06:35] <nealmcb> !apache | wolfeySI
[06:35] <ubotu> wolfeySI: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:50] <nealmcb> is there an easy and generic way to query the history of different files over ubuntu releases?  Sort of a cross-release takeoff on `apt-file search mime.load `
[06:51] <mralphabet> nealmcb: yeah, I was trying to find which package included mime.load and my apt-/dpkg-foo failed me
[06:52] <nealmcb> A nice little web-app to query that would be delightful :-)
[06:53] <nealmcb> it isn't in dapper, is in feisty, don't know about gutsy
[06:53] <nealmcb> (mime.load)
[06:57] <soren> packages.ubuntu.com does most of that, I believe.
[06:57] <mralphabet> down to the individual file? /peruses
[06:59] <mralphabet> "Search the contents of packages"
[06:59] <mralphabet> well there you go
[07:01] <soren> \o/
[07:54] <jalsot> hi
[07:54] <jalsot> does anybody have a running Xen 3.1.0 on dapper?
[07:54] <jalsot> getting "ImportError: libxenctrl.so.3.0: cannot handle TLS data" when starting xend
[07:54] <jalsot> as I found with google, I would need a patched libc for dapper
[07:54] <jalsot> anybody can help with?
[09:32] <lamont> ScottK: looks like bug #81242 is actually an openldap bug?  (as far as where the fix goes..)
[09:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81242 in postfix "postfix-ldap is linked against gnuTLS" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81242
[09:32] <lamont> no?
[09:32] <ScottK> lamont: I don't know.
[09:44] <lamont> ok
[09:44] <lamont> anyway, nothing for me to change in postfix there...
[09:45] <lamont> since libldap2 is the one doing the binding, not me.
[09:46] <ScottK> Well I suppose you could link postfix against gnuTLS, but I doubt that's a really good idea.
[09:48] <ScottK> jdstrand: Are you there?
[09:48] <jdstrand> ScottK: yep
[09:50] <ScottK> I'm looking at the devscripts bug you just filed
[09:50] <jdstrand> ScottK: that was fast :)
[09:50] <ScottK> It's already in suggests.
[09:51] <ScottK> If devscripts installed everything that was needed to make every devscript work, it would install not small stuff like emacs.
[09:52] <ScottK> So as a rule, devscripts doesn't do that.
[09:52] <jdstrand> ScottK: dch would not continue without it.
[09:52] <jdstrand> ScottK: alright, if that's the policy.  I found it a little surprising, so I filed the bug.
[09:54] <lamont> jdstrand: and ubuntu-desktop Depends: (albeit indirectly, I think) on liburi-perl
[09:55] <ScottK> It is suprising.  I agree.
[09:55] <lamont> jdstrand: how dare you do source development on a server.
[09:55] <lamont> :)
[09:55] <ScottK> Devscripts is considered special because of:
[09:55] <jdstrand> lamont: it was even less than a server.  ubuntu-minimal for chroot builds
[09:55] <ScottK> 1.  Installing everything you need for all the scripts would take you to a rediculous place.
[09:55] <lamont> ah.  yeah.  I remember bumping into that
[09:56] <ScottK> 2.  If you are using devscripts, you are expected to know what you are doing, so this shouldn't be a problem.
[09:58] <jdstrand> ScottK: I hear what you are saying.  It took my (quite a bit) longer to issue the bug report than to fix it.  Just trying to help the next guy as I hadn't run into the issues you've described.
[09:59] <ScottK> OK.  Well I'm going to invalid the bug.  Just wanted to touch base with you first.
[09:59] <jdstrand> ScottK: thanks
[10:40] <kana1976> test
[11:54] <emretemp> test
[11:54] <umop-apisdn> i saw it, if that helps ;)
[12:00] <emretemp> thx ; )