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| cje | hi, is anyone here familiar with networking issues using edubuntu? I am a volunteer for a public middle school in inner city San Francisco, and we are running GNU Denemo across an edubuntu network, but it is lagging. | 12:57 |
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| cje | I'm going to step away from my keyboard for a bit. I'll be back in about 10 mins. | 01:13 |
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| hungrysam | do you all know any good grading programs? | 02:37 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 05:56 |
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| shriphani | RichEd: hi | 09:16 |
| RichEd | hi shriphani ... give me a few mins | 09:20 |
| shriphani | ok. | 09:21 |
| juliux | good morning | 09:36 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 03:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi mate | 03:03 |
| juliux | hi sbalneav | 03:06 |
| sbalneav | heya | 03:09 |
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| shriphani | RichEd-2: well who is this guy you said you would introduce me to ? | 05:40 |
| shriphani | (3rd time I am asking. sorry if it irks) | 05:40 |
| RichEd-2 | jono bacon ... he heads up the community structure, and looks after the loco's | 05:40 |
| RichEd-2 | send me an email with a quick intro to yourself, what you want to do, and how the loco is or is not helping ... | 05:41 |
| RichEd-2 | i'll add a note and forward on to jono and CC you ... so we can have a 3 way to work out how to proceed | 05:41 |
| RichEd-2 | i can also bring in the OEM manager for India who is working with quite a few semi-government and open source organisations and programmmes in India | 05:42 |
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| shriphani | o. | 05:43 |
| shriphani | k | 05:43 |
| shriphani | richard@ubuntu.com isn't it | 05:44 |
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| shriphani | sent ! | 05:54 |
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| LDS_Trooper | Greetings, on the Ubuntu website it mentions "there are also programmes to aid teachers in planning lessons" under the Edubuntu information. What are these programmes and are they also available for Ubuntu? | 05:59 |
| LDS_Trooper | anyone? | 06:02 |
| sbalneav | LDS_Trooper: Not sure. Moodle, perhaps? | 06:04 |
| LDS_Trooper | its listed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/edubuntu under KDE Edutainment Suite | 06:05 |
| sbalneav | ah, maybe they're talking about keduca | 06:08 |
| LDS_Trooper | Would be cool if it was a little less vague. =) | 06:09 |
| LDS_Trooper | Keduca is a neat program tho | 06:10 |
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| LDS_Trooper | What caught my eye was "planning lessons" where Keduca is more for testing. | 06:10 |
| sbalneav | Well, moodle's going to be in gutsy, and that's a whole course content management system. | 06:11 |
| LDS_Trooper | Is Moodle available for Ubuntu? | 06:11 |
| sbalneav | In by default for gutsy. | 06:11 |
| LDS_Trooper | Ok that sounds excellent. | 06:11 |
| LDS_Trooper | I will wait for gutsy. Thanks so much | 06:11 |
| Kalle | But you need a server to run moodle | 06:11 |
| LDS_Trooper | Kalle, so nothing to help with lesson planning on Ubuntu without a server? | 06:12 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Edubuntu-server is a moodle server, yes? | 06:12 |
| ogra | edubuntu-server is an edubuntu server :) | 06:12 |
| ogra | ltsp and moodle atm | 06:13 |
| Kalle | Not that i know of | 06:13 |
| sbalneav | right. | 06:13 |
| ogra | just install moodle and postgresql | 06:13 |
| LDS_Trooper | Kalle, So then what are they referencing on the website? | 06:13 |
| ogra | Kalle, gutsy has moodle included by default ... | 06:13 |
| ogra | was a fearute goal this release to make edulinux happy :) | 06:14 |
| Kalle | hi Ogra, moodle by default as a stand alone or built in server? | 06:14 |
| ogra | so you guys dont kill me on the weekend ;) | 06:14 |
| Kalle | no worries | 06:14 |
| ogra | in the default server install | 06:14 |
| ogra | we'll make that more fine grained in the next release so you can pick components | 06:14 |
| Kalle | ok my bad LDS_Trooper | 06:15 |
| LDS_Trooper | ogra, do you know what they are referring to then? | 06:15 |
| ogra | for now solving the security issues and get proper packages was the main concern | 06:15 |
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| ogra | LDS_Trooper, not really, when i saw that text last time it looked different :) | 06:15 |
| LDS_Trooper | ok | 06:15 |
| ogra | but then i'm to busy to also monitor the website :) | 06:15 |
| LDS_Trooper | Just wondered what they offered for "Planning Lessons" | 06:16 |
| LDS_Trooper | as I will be teaching over the winter | 06:16 |
| ogra | well, moodle is surely a good pick | 06:16 |
| LDS_Trooper | I don't run a server tho. | 06:16 |
| ogra | for plain scheduling we had schooltool until feisty ... | 06:17 |
| LDS_Trooper | Currently running Ubuntu Desktop | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | Easy enough to turn it into a server :) | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | Just install the packages. | 06:17 |
| LDS_Trooper | Would I really need a server to plan lessons? | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | The box you've got now would be fine. | 06:18 |
| Kalle | It seems a lot of work for just planing lessons | 06:18 |
| ogra | yeah | 06:18 |
| ogra | i think there was at least a timetable app in universe if that helps you | 06:19 |
| LDS_Trooper | Hmm not sure.. but thanks. | 06:20 |
| ogra | gtablix is the name (had to look it up) | 06:20 |
| LDS_Trooper | I am looking for something to help with planning lessons, as in content, not scheduling. | 06:20 |
| ogra | yeah, understood | 06:20 |
| Kalle | Then moodel would work fine | 06:20 |
| ogra | yeah | 06:21 |
| shriphani | timetable app that automatically generates timetables ? | 06:21 |
| ogra | even though i agree its a slight overkill ... we shold ahev moodle-desktop :) | 06:21 |
| ogra | *have | 06:21 |
| LDS_Trooper | Ok, so then I am looking at moving up to a Gutsy server so I can use Moodle to plan lessons? | 06:21 |
| ogra | nah, just install moodle and a database server (postgresql or mysql) | 06:22 |
| ogra | works on feisty as well | 06:22 |
| LDS_Trooper | I think for now I will hit Google for some ideas on lesson planning. Since I can't find moodle. | 06:22 |
| ogra | all *buntu dericvatives share the same archive, so everything in edubuntu is also in ubuntu | 06:23 |
| ogra | *derivatives | 06:23 |
| ogra | make sure to have universe enabled in your software sources | 06:23 |
| Kalle | look att moodle.org to get a glimps of what moodle offers | 06:24 |
| ogra | moodle before gutsy is located in universe | 06:24 |
| ogra | it moved to main just now | 06:24 |
| LDS_Trooper | I found it in Synaptic. | 06:24 |
| LDS_Trooper | Before I was just checking the "add/remove" option =) | 06:25 |
| ogra | ah, well, that only has apps with a menu entry (desktop apps) | 06:25 |
| RichEd | Kalle ... 2 quick comments before I have to dash ... | 06:26 |
| RichEd | #1 the bundled moodle is the latest moodle release ... | 06:26 |
| RichEd | #2 we will be adding some 3rd party components ... like chat etc. | 06:26 |
| RichEd | so it will be more than the moodle you have seen ... | 06:27 |
| ogra | (not yet though) | 06:27 |
| RichEd | ogra: for add-on testing ... not bundled into the 7.10 release | 06:27 |
| Kalle | Why keep me waiting?? | 06:27 |
| ogra | right, well we'll hopefully have everything i hardy | 06:27 |
| ogra | *in | 06:28 |
| RichEd | also, ogra & co have made sure that security holes are fixed ... so people can go ahead with confidence ... | 06:28 |
| RichEd | a large university would not want a public facing moodle that could be exploited to go mad on the network across the wore | 06:28 |
| RichEd | *wire | 06:28 |
| RichEd | that was the most inportant first step in formalising the bundled release | 06:29 |
| RichEd | *important | 06:29 |
| Kalle | Ok | 06:29 |
| Kalle | Well, have to go. See you Ogra. | 06:30 |
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| LDS_Trooper | ok well thanks again.. cya | 06:31 |
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| Burgundavia | sbalneav: you can save your form from evince, it is just a bit roundabout | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | sbalneav: just have your users print to pdf | 06:42 |
| ogra | sbalneav, i reqally think the handbook hould be crosslinked from about edubuntu | 06:43 |
| sbalneav | Yep, they can print the filled in form, but when they save the pdf, it doesnt save the fillins, (yet) | 06:43 |
| sbalneav | That'd be nice to have, but it's not necessary for us. Just having the forms support is great. | 06:44 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Sure. The more exposure the better. | 06:44 |
| sbalneav | The handbooks really beginning to flesh out. | 06:44 |
| ogra | yeah, but its sad that there is no hint at all to it | 06:45 |
| sbalneav | Right. | 06:45 |
| sbalneav | So lets this release "advertise" it a bit more. | 06:45 |
| sbalneav | Burgundavia: Ah. I see what you mean. | 06:47 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, but they won't be able to re-edit then. | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | no, sadly not | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | but at least they have a copy | 06:47 |
| sbalneav | Sure. | 06:47 |
| sbalneav | Just having the forms is HUGE. | 06:47 |
| sbalneav | Up till now, it was "oh, a form? Well, try Adobe, and hope it doesn't crash, or, try to mumble your way through flpsed" | 06:48 |
| sbalneav | Now, I can eliminate adobe AND flpsed, and just say: "click, fill, print" | 06:48 |
| sbalneav | And then Erin Esurance pops up. | 06:49 |
| highvolt1ge | hi Burgundavia, ogra and sbalneav | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | hey highvolt1ge | 06:59 |
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| ogra | hey hey | 06:59 |
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| === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | please help tesing gutsy (7.10) beta https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Edubuntu | ||
| highvoltage | ogra: how is it that the testing iso isn't on the ubuntu server? and shouldn't testing come a bit earlier in the topic, since it's higher priority at this stage? | 07:02 |
| ogra | well, my xchat only shows the end of the topic here | 07:02 |
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| ogra | and i'm just counting on people reading the topic if they log in | 07:04 |
| highvoltage | ok :) | 07:05 |
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| Tirion | /motd | 07:34 |
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| sbalneav | Huh! | 08:09 |
| sbalneav | I live in the Second largest country (landmass) in the world (Canada) | 08:10 |
| sbalneav | And have visited the 4th smallest (Gibralter) | 08:10 |
| sbalneav | Smallest is Vatican City, at 0.44km^2 | 08:11 |
| sbalneav | Next is Monaco, at 1.95 km^2 | 08:11 |
| sbalneav | Followed by the Pitcairne Islands (Of Bounty fame), at 5 km^2 | 08:12 |
| sbalneav | With Gibralter coming in at 6 km^2 | 08:12 |
| sbalneav | So, I should make it a goal of mine to visit Monaco, at some point. | 08:12 |
| sbalneav | Either that, or become a citizen of Russia, and visit the Vatican. | 08:13 |
| sbalneav | One supposes I could become a citizen of the Vatican, and visit Russia, but I suspect being a heathen protestant might represent some small barrier to immigration to Vatican City :) | 08:14 |
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| ogra | bah, moodle asks way to many questions :/ | 09:03 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: mvo found the problem, it was me :( | 10:40 |
| ogra | youre not a problem :P | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I can fix it (and add the newly moved apps) | 10:41 |
| ogra | youre a solution :) | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | but do you want it done for Beta? | 10:41 |
| ogra | only if i have to rebuild because the ltsp udeb doesnt work | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | ok, so should I get approval for an upload? | 10:42 |
| ogra | sadly my virtualbox didnt survive one complete server install yet :/ | 10:42 |
| ogra | no need for approval, just upload it will be held in the queue | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | k | 10:42 |
| ogra | hmm | 10:43 |
| ogra | seems this install dint survive either ... | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | :( | 10:43 |
| ogra | i need real HW i fear ... which i wont have until tomorrow morning :/ | 10:44 |
| ogra | well, this one survived up to "cleaning up ..." | 10:44 |
| ogra | so i know everything apart from ltsp and grub s fine already | 10:44 |
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| ogra | gah | 11:02 |
| ogra | moodle4 made the server fail | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | darn | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | dia-gnome's .desktop doesn't make it onto the addon cd because the .desktop is actually in dia-common | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | I can just include the .desktop in the app-install-data-edubuntu package | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | ogra: ^^ seem reasonable? | 11:04 |
| ogra | yep | 11:05 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: upload is coming up | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | just making sure the .deb has what I want | 11:17 |
| ogra | seems we'll need a rebuild anyway | 11:17 |
| ogra | dropping moodle into ship | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | :( | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | do you have any idea what stage it'd dying on? | 11:17 |
| ogra | we cant put it in -server without more installer work | 11:17 |
| ogra | well, it needs a proper pressed file and soemthing with postgres failed | 11:17 |
| ogra | i'll keep the log | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | I kinda wondered | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | with all the debconf questions | 11:18 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: upload done | 11:20 |
| ogra | thanks | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | ogra: added a Multimedia submenu for kino and denemo | 11:21 |
| ogra | cool | 11:21 |
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| LaserJock | atomix went into games | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | and everything else to Graphics | 11:21 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:21 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sad we lost scribus from -desktop | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | we really should move to DVDs | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | this addon CD thing is a real pain | 11:22 |
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| stgraber | ogra: Are there any edubuntu ISOs that are known not to be installable and that we should mark as rebuilding ? | 11:32 |
| ogra | yup, -server | 11:32 |
| stgraber | ok, will disabled them | 11:32 |
| ogra | all over | 11:32 |
| ogra | -desktop is fine | 11:32 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: alright, I'm off. If you need something from me just email | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | not that you should | 11:52 |
| ogra | dont worry | 11:53 |
| ogra | see you at the meeting | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | k | 11:53 |
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