[12:57] <cje> hi, is anyone here familiar with networking issues using edubuntu?  I am a volunteer for a public middle school in inner city San Francisco, and we are running GNU Denemo across an edubuntu network, but it is lagging.
[01:13] <cje> I'm going to step away from my keyboard for a bit.  I'll be back in about 10 mins.
[02:37] <hungrysam> do you all know any good grading programs?
[05:56] <sbalneav> Evening all
[09:16] <shriphani> RichEd: hi
[09:20] <RichEd> hi shriphani ... give me a few mins
[09:21] <shriphani> ok.
[09:36] <juliux> good morning
[03:03] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[03:06] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[03:09] <sbalneav> heya
[05:40] <shriphani> RichEd-2: well who is this guy you said you would introduce me to ?
[05:40] <shriphani> (3rd time I am asking. sorry if it irks)
[05:40] <RichEd-2> jono bacon ... he heads up the community structure, and looks after the loco's
[05:41] <RichEd-2> send me an email with a quick intro to yourself, what you want to do, and how the loco is or is not helping ...
[05:41] <RichEd-2> i'll add a note and forward on to jono and CC you ... so we can have a 3 way to work out how to proceed
[05:42] <RichEd-2> i can also bring in the OEM manager for India who is working with quite a few semi-government and open source organisations and programmmes in India
[05:43] <shriphani> o.
[05:43] <shriphani> k
[05:44] <shriphani> richard@ubuntu.com isn't it
[05:54] <shriphani> sent !
[05:59] <LDS_Trooper> Greetings, on the Ubuntu website it mentions "there are also programmes to aid teachers in planning lessons" under the Edubuntu information. What are these programmes and are they also available for Ubuntu?
[06:02] <LDS_Trooper> anyone?
[06:04] <sbalneav> LDS_Trooper: Not sure.  Moodle, perhaps?
[06:05] <LDS_Trooper> its listed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/edubuntu   under KDE Edutainment Suite
[06:08] <sbalneav> ah, maybe they're talking about keduca
[06:09] <LDS_Trooper> Would be cool if it was a little less vague. =)
[06:10] <LDS_Trooper> Keduca is a neat program tho
[06:10] <LDS_Trooper> What caught my eye was "planning lessons" where Keduca is more for testing.
[06:11] <sbalneav> Well, moodle's going to be in gutsy, and that's a whole course content management system.
[06:11] <LDS_Trooper> Is Moodle available for Ubuntu?
[06:11] <sbalneav> In by default for gutsy.
[06:11] <LDS_Trooper> Ok that sounds excellent.
[06:11] <LDS_Trooper> I will wait for gutsy. Thanks so much
[06:11] <Kalle> But you need a server to run moodle
[06:12] <LDS_Trooper> Kalle, so nothing to help with lesson planning on Ubuntu without a server?
[06:12] <sbalneav> ogra: Edubuntu-server is a moodle server, yes?
[06:12] <ogra> edubuntu-server is an edubuntu server :)
[06:13] <ogra> ltsp and moodle atm
[06:13] <Kalle> Not that i know of
[06:13] <sbalneav> right.
[06:13] <ogra> just install moodle and postgresql
[06:13] <LDS_Trooper> Kalle, So then what are they referencing on the website?
[06:13] <ogra> Kalle, gutsy has moodle included by default ...
[06:14] <ogra> was a fearute goal this release to make edulinux happy :)
[06:14] <Kalle> hi Ogra, moodle by default as a stand alone or built in server?
[06:14] <ogra> so you guys dont kill me on the weekend ;)
[06:14] <Kalle> no worries
[06:14] <ogra> in the default server install
[06:14] <ogra> we'll make that more fine grained in the next release so you can pick components
[06:15] <Kalle> ok my bad LDS_Trooper
[06:15] <LDS_Trooper> ogra, do you know what they are referring to then?
[06:15] <ogra> for now solving the security issues and get proper packages was the main concern
[06:15] <ogra> LDS_Trooper, not really, when i saw that text last time it looked different :)
[06:15] <LDS_Trooper> ok
[06:15] <ogra> but then i'm to busy to also monitor the website :)
[06:16] <LDS_Trooper> Just wondered what they offered for "Planning Lessons"
[06:16] <LDS_Trooper> as I will be teaching over the winter
[06:16] <ogra> well, moodle is surely a good pick
[06:16] <LDS_Trooper> I don't run a server tho.
[06:17] <ogra> for plain scheduling we had schooltool until feisty ...
[06:17] <LDS_Trooper> Currently running Ubuntu Desktop
[06:17] <sbalneav> Easy enough to turn it into a server :)
[06:17] <sbalneav> Just install the packages.
[06:17] <LDS_Trooper> Would I really need a server to plan lessons?
[06:18] <sbalneav> The box you've got now would be fine.
[06:18] <Kalle> It seems a lot of work for just planing lessons
[06:18] <ogra> yeah
[06:19] <ogra> i think there was at least a timetable app in universe if that helps you
[06:20] <LDS_Trooper> Hmm not sure.. but thanks.
[06:20] <ogra> gtablix is the name (had to look it up)
[06:20] <LDS_Trooper> I am looking for something to help with planning lessons, as in content, not scheduling.
[06:20] <ogra> yeah, understood
[06:20] <Kalle> Then moodel would work fine
[06:21] <ogra> yeah
[06:21] <shriphani> timetable app that automatically generates timetables ?
[06:21] <ogra> even though i agree its a slight overkill ... we shold ahev moodle-desktop :)
[06:21] <ogra> *have
[06:21] <LDS_Trooper> Ok, so then I am looking at moving up to a Gutsy server so I can use Moodle to plan lessons?
[06:22] <ogra> nah, just install moodle and a database server (postgresql or mysql)
[06:22] <ogra> works on feisty as well
[06:22] <LDS_Trooper> I think for now I will hit Google for some ideas on lesson planning. Since I can't find moodle.
[06:23] <ogra> all *buntu dericvatives share the same archive, so everything in edubuntu is also in ubuntu
[06:23] <ogra> *derivatives
[06:23] <ogra> make sure to have universe enabled in your software sources
[06:24] <Kalle> look att moodle.org to get a glimps of what moodle offers
[06:24] <ogra> moodle before gutsy is located in universe
[06:24] <ogra> it moved to main just now
[06:24] <LDS_Trooper> I found it in Synaptic.
[06:25] <LDS_Trooper> Before I was just checking the "add/remove" option =)
[06:25] <ogra> ah, well, that only has apps with a menu entry (desktop apps)
[06:26] <RichEd> Kalle ... 2 quick comments before I have to dash ...
[06:26] <RichEd>  #1 the bundled moodle is the latest moodle release ...
[06:26] <RichEd>  #2 we will be adding some 3rd party components ... like chat etc.
[06:27] <RichEd> so it will be more than the moodle you have seen ...
[06:27] <ogra> (not yet though)
[06:27] <RichEd> ogra: for add-on testing ... not bundled into the 7.10 release
[06:27] <Kalle> Why keep me waiting??
[06:27] <ogra> right, well we'll hopefully have everything i hardy
[06:28] <ogra> *in
[06:28] <RichEd> also, ogra & co have made sure that security holes are fixed ... so people can go ahead with confidence ...
[06:28] <RichEd> a large university would not want a public facing moodle that could be exploited to go mad on the network across the wore
[06:28] <RichEd> *wire
[06:29] <RichEd> that was the most inportant first step in formalising the bundled release
[06:29] <RichEd> *important
[06:29] <Kalle> Ok
[06:30] <Kalle> Well, have to go. See you Ogra.
[06:31] <LDS_Trooper> ok well thanks again.. cya
[06:41] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: you can save your form from evince, it is just a bit roundabout
[06:42] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: just have your users print to pdf
[06:43] <ogra> sbalneav, i reqally think the handbook hould be crosslinked from about edubuntu
[06:43] <sbalneav> Yep, they can print the filled in form, but when they save the pdf, it doesnt save the fillins, (yet)
[06:44] <sbalneav> That'd be nice to have, but it's not necessary for us.  Just having the forms support is great.
[06:44] <sbalneav> ogra: Sure.  The more exposure the better.
[06:44] <sbalneav> The handbooks really beginning to flesh out.
[06:45] <ogra> yeah, but its sad that there is no hint at all to it
[06:45] <sbalneav> Right.
[06:45] <sbalneav> So lets this release "advertise" it a bit more.
[06:47] <sbalneav> Burgundavia: Ah. I see what you mean.
[06:47] <sbalneav> Yeah, but they won't be able to re-edit then.
[06:47] <Burgundavia> no, sadly not
[06:47] <Burgundavia> but at least they have a copy
[06:47] <sbalneav> Sure.
[06:47] <sbalneav> Just having the forms is HUGE.
[06:48] <sbalneav> Up till now, it was "oh, a form?  Well, try Adobe, and hope it doesn't crash, or, try to mumble your way through flpsed"
[06:48] <sbalneav> Now, I can eliminate adobe AND flpsed, and just say: "click, fill, print"
[06:49] <sbalneav> And then Erin Esurance pops up.
[06:59] <highvolt1ge> hi Burgundavia, ogra and sbalneav
[06:59] <Burgundavia> hey highvolt1ge
[06:59] <ogra> hey hey
[07:02] <highvoltage> ogra: how is it that the testing iso isn't on the ubuntu server? and shouldn't testing come a bit earlier in the topic, since it's higher priority at this stage?
[07:02] <ogra> well, my xchat only shows the end of the topic here
[07:04] <ogra> and i'm just counting on people reading the topic if they log in
[07:05] <highvoltage> ok :)
[07:34] <Tirion> /motd
[08:09] <sbalneav> Huh!
[08:10] <sbalneav> I live in the Second largest country (landmass) in the world (Canada)
[08:10] <sbalneav> And have visited the 4th smallest (Gibralter)
[08:11] <sbalneav> Smallest is Vatican City, at 0.44km^2
[08:11] <sbalneav> Next is Monaco, at 1.95 km^2
[08:12] <sbalneav> Followed by the Pitcairne Islands (Of Bounty fame), at 5 km^2
[08:12] <sbalneav> With Gibralter coming in at 6 km^2
[08:12] <sbalneav> So, I should make it a goal of mine to visit Monaco, at some point.
[08:13] <sbalneav> Either that, or become a citizen of Russia, and visit the Vatican.
[08:14] <sbalneav> One supposes I could become a citizen of the Vatican, and visit Russia, but I suspect being a heathen protestant might represent some small barrier to immigration to Vatican City :)
[09:03] <ogra> bah, moodle asks way to many questions :/
[10:40] <LaserJock> ogra: mvo found the problem, it was me :(
[10:41] <ogra> youre not a problem :P
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra: I can fix it (and add the newly moved apps)
[10:41] <ogra> youre a solution :)
[10:41] <LaserJock> but do you want it done for Beta?
[10:41] <ogra> only if i have to rebuild because the ltsp udeb doesnt work
[10:42] <LaserJock> ok, so should I get approval for an upload?
[10:42] <ogra> sadly my virtualbox didnt survive one complete server install yet :/
[10:42] <ogra> no need for approval, just upload it will be held in the queue
[10:42] <LaserJock> k
[10:43] <ogra> hmm
[10:43] <ogra> seems this install dint survive either ...
[10:43] <LaserJock> :(
[10:44] <ogra> i need real HW i fear ... which i wont have until tomorrow morning :/
[10:44] <ogra> well, this one survived up to "cleaning up ..."
[10:44] <ogra> so i know everything apart from ltsp and grub s fine already
[11:02] <ogra> gah
[11:02] <ogra> moodle4 made the server fail
[11:02] <LaserJock> darn
[11:03] <LaserJock> dia-gnome's .desktop doesn't make it onto the addon cd because the .desktop is actually in dia-common
[11:04] <LaserJock> I can just include the .desktop in the app-install-data-edubuntu package
[11:04] <LaserJock> ogra: ^^ seem reasonable?
[11:05] <ogra> yep
[11:16] <LaserJock> ogra: upload is coming up
[11:17] <LaserJock> just making sure the .deb has what I want
[11:17] <ogra> seems we'll need a rebuild anyway
[11:17] <ogra> dropping moodle into ship
[11:17] <LaserJock> :(
[11:17] <LaserJock> do you have any idea what stage it'd dying on?
[11:17] <ogra> we cant put it in -server without more installer work
[11:17] <ogra> well, it needs a proper pressed file and soemthing with postgres failed
[11:17] <ogra> i'll keep the log
[11:18] <LaserJock> I kinda wondered
[11:18] <LaserJock> with all the debconf questions
[11:20] <LaserJock> ogra: upload done
[11:21] <ogra> thanks
[11:21] <LaserJock> ogra: added a Multimedia submenu for kino and denemo
[11:21] <ogra> cool
[11:21] <LaserJock> atomix went into games
[11:21] <LaserJock> and everything else to Graphics
[11:21] <ogra> yeah
[11:22] <ogra> i'm pretty sad we lost scribus from -desktop
[11:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:22] <LaserJock> we really should move to DVDs
[11:22] <LaserJock> this addon CD thing is a real pain
[11:32] <stgraber> ogra: Are there any edubuntu ISOs that are known not to be installable and that we should mark as rebuilding ?
[11:32] <ogra> yup, -server
[11:32] <stgraber> ok, will disabled them
[11:32] <ogra> all over
[11:32] <ogra> -desktop is fine
[11:52] <LaserJock> ogra: alright, I'm off. If you need something from me just email
[11:52] <LaserJock> not that you should
[11:53] <ogra> dont worry
[11:53] <ogra> see you at the meeting
[11:53] <LaserJock> k