=== cje [n=cje@adsl-75-37-94-238.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] hi, is anyone here familiar with networking issues using edubuntu? I am a volunteer for a public middle school in inner city San Francisco, and we are running GNU Denemo across an edubuntu network, but it is lagging. [01:13] I'm going to step away from my keyboard for a bit. I'll be back in about 10 mins. === Netham45 [n=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@wlk-barre-208-103-148-58.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #edubuntu === merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH is now known as kgoet === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.111.44] has joined #edubuntu === kgoet is now known as kgoetz === hungrysam [n=beninati@190.42.144.10] has joined #edubuntu === kejava [n=kejava@pool-71-242-152-165.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:37] do you all know any good grading programs? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === hungrysam [n=beninati@190.42.144.10] has left #edubuntu [] === kejava [n=kejava@pool-71-242-152-165.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@pool-72-73-116-107.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #edubuntu === Joris_ [i=joris@082-146-097-054.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] Evening all === hungrysam [n=beninati@190.40.206.26] has joined #edubuntu === hungrysam [n=beninati@190.40.206.26] has left #edubuntu [] === Slid1 [n=guppy@c-67-190-56-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Slid1 [n=guppy@c-67-190-56-4.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@123.115.246.153] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-207-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === Banana [n=tchou@dump.fr] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-245-179-87.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:16] RichEd: hi [09:20] hi shriphani ... give me a few mins [09:21] ok. [09:36] good morning === JordanC [n=MasterPl@host86-130-148-93.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-207-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@wlk-barre-208-103-148-58.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #edubuntu === jonkke [i=jonkke@a62-248-137-74.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === humbolto [n=elias@u-121-071.adsl.univie.ac.at] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === burnerx [n=aric@218-166-206-133.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #edubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-179-87.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp16-131.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp16-131.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === Baby [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #edubuntu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.98.124] has joined #edubuntu === Vego [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [03:03] Morning all [03:03] hi mate [03:06] hi sbalneav [03:09] heya === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === tck [n=tck@194.125.21.145] has joined #edubuntu === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@200.113.28.118] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === pusakat [i=xenos@born.free.net.ph] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@dsl-243-1-218.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-183-123.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-2 [n=richard@dsl-245-141-191.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [05:40] RichEd-2: well who is this guy you said you would introduce me to ? [05:40] (3rd time I am asking. sorry if it irks) [05:40] jono bacon ... he heads up the community structure, and looks after the loco's [05:41] send me an email with a quick intro to yourself, what you want to do, and how the loco is or is not helping ... [05:41] i'll add a note and forward on to jono and CC you ... so we can have a 3 way to work out how to proceed [05:42] i can also bring in the OEM manager for India who is working with quite a few semi-government and open source organisations and programmmes in India === RichEd-2 is now known as RichEd [05:43] o. [05:43] k [05:44] richard@ubuntu.com isn't it === Kalle [n=Kalle@157.230.95.91.static.ter-blg.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #Edubuntu [05:54] sent ! === LDS_Trooper [n=LDS_Troo@S010600111a3f762b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:59] Greetings, on the Ubuntu website it mentions "there are also programmes to aid teachers in planning lessons" under the Edubuntu information. What are these programmes and are they also available for Ubuntu? [06:02] anyone? [06:04] LDS_Trooper: Not sure. Moodle, perhaps? [06:05] its listed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/edubuntu under KDE Edutainment Suite [06:08] ah, maybe they're talking about keduca [06:09] Would be cool if it was a little less vague. =) [06:10] Keduca is a neat program tho === vistakille1 [n=spiros@ppp173-97.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu [06:10] What caught my eye was "planning lessons" where Keduca is more for testing. [06:11] Well, moodle's going to be in gutsy, and that's a whole course content management system. [06:11] Is Moodle available for Ubuntu? [06:11] In by default for gutsy. [06:11] Ok that sounds excellent. [06:11] I will wait for gutsy. Thanks so much [06:11] But you need a server to run moodle [06:12] Kalle, so nothing to help with lesson planning on Ubuntu without a server? [06:12] ogra: Edubuntu-server is a moodle server, yes? [06:12] edubuntu-server is an edubuntu server :) [06:13] ltsp and moodle atm [06:13] Not that i know of [06:13] right. [06:13] just install moodle and postgresql [06:13] Kalle, So then what are they referencing on the website? [06:13] Kalle, gutsy has moodle included by default ... [06:14] was a fearute goal this release to make edulinux happy :) [06:14] hi Ogra, moodle by default as a stand alone or built in server? [06:14] so you guys dont kill me on the weekend ;) [06:14] no worries [06:14] in the default server install [06:14] we'll make that more fine grained in the next release so you can pick components [06:15] ok my bad LDS_Trooper [06:15] ogra, do you know what they are referring to then? [06:15] for now solving the security issues and get proper packages was the main concern === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [06:15] LDS_Trooper, not really, when i saw that text last time it looked different :) [06:15] ok [06:15] but then i'm to busy to also monitor the website :) [06:16] Just wondered what they offered for "Planning Lessons" [06:16] as I will be teaching over the winter [06:16] well, moodle is surely a good pick [06:16] I don't run a server tho. [06:17] for plain scheduling we had schooltool until feisty ... [06:17] Currently running Ubuntu Desktop [06:17] Easy enough to turn it into a server :) [06:17] Just install the packages. [06:17] Would I really need a server to plan lessons? [06:18] The box you've got now would be fine. [06:18] It seems a lot of work for just planing lessons [06:18] yeah [06:19] i think there was at least a timetable app in universe if that helps you [06:20] Hmm not sure.. but thanks. [06:20] gtablix is the name (had to look it up) [06:20] I am looking for something to help with planning lessons, as in content, not scheduling. [06:20] yeah, understood [06:20] Then moodel would work fine [06:21] yeah [06:21] timetable app that automatically generates timetables ? [06:21] even though i agree its a slight overkill ... we shold ahev moodle-desktop :) [06:21] *have [06:21] Ok, so then I am looking at moving up to a Gutsy server so I can use Moodle to plan lessons? [06:22] nah, just install moodle and a database server (postgresql or mysql) [06:22] works on feisty as well [06:22] I think for now I will hit Google for some ideas on lesson planning. Since I can't find moodle. [06:23] all *buntu dericvatives share the same archive, so everything in edubuntu is also in ubuntu [06:23] *derivatives [06:23] make sure to have universe enabled in your software sources [06:24] look att moodle.org to get a glimps of what moodle offers [06:24] moodle before gutsy is located in universe [06:24] it moved to main just now [06:24] I found it in Synaptic. [06:25] Before I was just checking the "add/remove" option =) [06:25] ah, well, that only has apps with a menu entry (desktop apps) [06:26] Kalle ... 2 quick comments before I have to dash ... [06:26] #1 the bundled moodle is the latest moodle release ... [06:26] #2 we will be adding some 3rd party components ... like chat etc. [06:27] so it will be more than the moodle you have seen ... [06:27] (not yet though) [06:27] ogra: for add-on testing ... not bundled into the 7.10 release [06:27] Why keep me waiting?? [06:27] right, well we'll hopefully have everything i hardy [06:28] *in [06:28] also, ogra & co have made sure that security holes are fixed ... so people can go ahead with confidence ... [06:28] a large university would not want a public facing moodle that could be exploited to go mad on the network across the wore [06:28] *wire [06:29] that was the most inportant first step in formalising the bundled release [06:29] *important [06:29] Ok [06:30] Well, have to go. See you Ogra. === ogra1 [n=ogra@p548ADC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:31] ok well thanks again.. cya === ogra1 is now known as ogra === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [06:41] sbalneav: you can save your form from evince, it is just a bit roundabout [06:42] sbalneav: just have your users print to pdf [06:43] sbalneav, i reqally think the handbook hould be crosslinked from about edubuntu [06:43] Yep, they can print the filled in form, but when they save the pdf, it doesnt save the fillins, (yet) [06:44] That'd be nice to have, but it's not necessary for us. Just having the forms support is great. [06:44] ogra: Sure. The more exposure the better. [06:44] The handbooks really beginning to flesh out. [06:45] yeah, but its sad that there is no hint at all to it [06:45] Right. [06:45] So lets this release "advertise" it a bit more. [06:47] Burgundavia: Ah. I see what you mean. [06:47] Yeah, but they won't be able to re-edit then. [06:47] no, sadly not [06:47] but at least they have a copy [06:47] Sure. [06:47] Just having the forms is HUGE. [06:48] Up till now, it was "oh, a form? Well, try Adobe, and hope it doesn't crash, or, try to mumble your way through flpsed" [06:48] Now, I can eliminate adobe AND flpsed, and just say: "click, fill, print" [06:49] And then Erin Esurance pops up. [06:59] hi Burgundavia, ogra and sbalneav [06:59] hey highvolt1ge === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [06:59] hey hey === mode/#edubuntu [+o ogra] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | please help tesing gutsy (7.10) beta https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Edubuntu [07:02] ogra: how is it that the testing iso isn't on the ubuntu server? and shouldn't testing come a bit earlier in the topic, since it's higher priority at this stage? [07:02] well, my xchat only shows the end of the topic here === mode/#edubuntu [-o ogra] by ogra === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:04] and i'm just counting on people reading the topic if they log in [07:05] ok :) === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=chatzill@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu [07:34] /motd === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === pauljw [n=paul@pool68.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_ [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux__ [n=juliux@85.183.210.95] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa is now known as toscalix === juliux__ is now known as juliux === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === ananas [n=ananas-m@xdslbj182.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:09] Huh! [08:10] I live in the Second largest country (landmass) in the world (Canada) [08:10] And have visited the 4th smallest (Gibralter) [08:11] Smallest is Vatican City, at 0.44km^2 [08:11] Next is Monaco, at 1.95 km^2 [08:12] Followed by the Pitcairne Islands (Of Bounty fame), at 5 km^2 [08:12] With Gibralter coming in at 6 km^2 [08:12] So, I should make it a goal of mine to visit Monaco, at some point. [08:13] Either that, or become a citizen of Russia, and visit the Vatican. [08:14] One supposes I could become a citizen of the Vatican, and visit Russia, but I suspect being a heathen protestant might represent some small barrier to immigration to Vatican City :) === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === juliux_ [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === jessejazza [n=chatzill@host86-132-78-246.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] bah, moodle asks way to many questions :/ === juliux_ is now known as juliux === j0ebaker [n=joebaker@rrcs-67-52-198-66.west.biz.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === vistakille1 [n=spiros@ppp173-97.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === JordanC [n=MasterPl@host86-130-148-93.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] ogra: mvo found the problem, it was me :( [10:41] youre not a problem :P [10:41] ogra: I can fix it (and add the newly moved apps) [10:41] youre a solution :) [10:41] but do you want it done for Beta? [10:41] only if i have to rebuild because the ltsp udeb doesnt work [10:42] ok, so should I get approval for an upload? [10:42] sadly my virtualbox didnt survive one complete server install yet :/ [10:42] no need for approval, just upload it will be held in the queue [10:42] k [10:43] hmm [10:43] seems this install dint survive either ... [10:43] :( [10:44] i need real HW i fear ... which i wont have until tomorrow morning :/ [10:44] well, this one survived up to "cleaning up ..." [10:44] so i know everything apart from ltsp and grub s fine already === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has joined #edubuntu === Tirion [n=anton@217.25.228.43] has left #edubuntu [] === Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu [11:02] gah [11:02] moodle4 made the server fail [11:02] darn [11:03] dia-gnome's .desktop doesn't make it onto the addon cd because the .desktop is actually in dia-common [11:04] I can just include the .desktop in the app-install-data-edubuntu package [11:04] ogra: ^^ seem reasonable? [11:05] yep === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [11:16] ogra: upload is coming up [11:17] just making sure the .deb has what I want [11:17] seems we'll need a rebuild anyway [11:17] dropping moodle into ship [11:17] :( [11:17] do you have any idea what stage it'd dying on? [11:17] we cant put it in -server without more installer work [11:17] well, it needs a proper pressed file and soemthing with postgres failed [11:17] i'll keep the log [11:18] I kinda wondered [11:18] with all the debconf questions === Netham45 [i=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu [11:20] ogra: upload done [11:21] thanks [11:21] ogra: added a Multimedia submenu for kino and denemo [11:21] cool === Netham45 [i=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu [11:21] atomix went into games [11:21] and everything else to Graphics [11:21] yeah [11:22] i'm pretty sad we lost scribus from -desktop [11:22] yeah [11:22] we really should move to DVDs [11:22] this addon CD thing is a real pain === Netham45 [i=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu === [1] Netham45 [n=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] ogra: Are there any edubuntu ISOs that are known not to be installable and that we should mark as rebuilding ? [11:32] yup, -server [11:32] ok, will disabled them [11:32] all over [11:32] -desktop is fine === [1] Netham45 is now known as Netham45 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [11:52] ogra: alright, I'm off. If you need something from me just email [11:52] not that you should [11:53] dont worry [11:53] see you at the meeting [11:53] k === Netham45 [n=Netham45@unaffiliated/netham45] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-245-141-191.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === JordanC [n=MasterPl@host86-130-148-93.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-97-157-206.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu