[04:03] <nixternal> wow, I have talked to family tonight that I have never talked to before in my life I think
[04:04] <nixternal> jjesse: you home this weekend?
[04:12] <Jucato> welcome to the family, we're glad that you have come to share your life with us.... tralalalala
[04:13] <nixternal> hehehe
[04:13] <stdin> I think I've fallen in love with kwin composite
[04:13] <nixternal> jjesse: I will be in Michigan (Benton Harbor/St. Joe area) for my grannies funeral, so if I get some time, maybe we can meet up?
[04:14] <Jucato> stdin: kde4 or the old one?
[04:14] <stdin> kde4
[04:14] <nixternal> stdin: what Jucato just said
[04:14] <nixternal> hehe, I was going to ask the same
[04:14] <nixternal> you must have an NVIDIA card then?
[04:14] <Jucato> hahah
[04:15] <stdin> nixternal: no intel
[04:15] <nixternal> I haven't tried it with a Radeon, but I did try with an Intel and it was horrid
[04:15] <nixternal> OMG, for real?
[04:15] <nixternal> what did you have to do?
[04:15] <stdin> yeah :)
[04:15] <stdin> nothing :p
[04:15] <nixternal> holy smokes dude, you just made my day
[04:15] <nixternal> that will give me something to do while I am waiting for everything to calm down this weekend
[04:16] <stdin> http://stdin.pastebin.us/39709 < my ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc
[04:16] <Jucato> weekend is still faaaar away
[04:16] <Jucato> stdin: so I have to use XRender as backend? hm.. ok
[04:17] <Jucato> stdin: do you mind if I ping you sometime when I try to get it to work?
[04:17] <nixternal> Jucato: but it will be a long week with the funeral and everything
[04:17] <Jucato> aw... :(
[04:17] <stdin> Jucato: sure, tho I'm not 100% certain how I got it working :p
[04:17] <Jucato> nixternal: condolences
[04:18] <nixternal> so while my mom is away with the family doing their things getting everything setup, dad and I will slip to some wifi hotspot a few times I am sure :)
[04:18] <nixternal> thanks Jucato
[04:18] <nixternal> where I am going, they still have no idea what the Internet is :)
[04:18] <Jucato> ouch...
[04:19] <stdin> I just have to show you http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2029/test3xf5.jpg
[04:19] <nixternal> oh wow
[04:19] <Jucato> they do know what laptops are? :)
[04:19] <nixternal> that is slick stdin
[04:19] <nixternal> Jucato: heck no
[04:19] <nixternal> but they have Starbucks!
[04:19] <nixternal> hehe
[04:19] <Jucato> wth?
[04:19] <Jucato> well hopefully starbucks has wifi
[04:19] <Jucato> :)
[04:19] <nixternal> ya, I hope so
[04:20] <nixternal> stdin: did you compile from svn or use the packages in the repos?
[04:20] <stdin> when I started playing with the effects I thought I'd somehow started compiz :p had to check
[04:20] <Jucato> who uses the packages anyway? :P
[04:20] <nixternal> hehe
[04:20] <stdin> nixternal: this one is from svn, but I remember it working from the packages too
[04:20] <Jucato> ooops laundry..
[04:20] <nixternal> nice
[04:21] <Jucato> was kwin in our packages built w/ composite support?
[04:21] <nixternal> yes
[04:21] <Jucato> afaik if you built it from svn w/o xrender and xdamage...
[04:21] <Jucato> koolious
[04:21] <stdin> with the OpenGL setting everything went insane, so it was some trial and error
[04:21] <Jucato> ah I kept on trying to use OpenGL... that must have been my problem
[04:21] <stdin> lost of "Alt-F2, DISPLAY=:0 kwin --replace"
[04:21] <nixternal> ya, the first time I tried it with Intel, I had accidentally selected one of the kwin comp demos, and wow was that painful
[04:22] <stdin>  /lost/lost/ :p
[04:25] <Jucato> oops... laundry
[04:26] <stdin> damn, and I was just about to make a midnight shack :p
[04:26] <stdin> (well, a 03:26 snack)
[04:26] <Jucato> shack?
[04:26] <Jucato> lol
[04:26] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu    ## Riddell started the beta page
[04:26] <stdin> shudup :p
[04:26] <nixternal> I should be free as it stands to get this done :)
[04:27] <nixternal> haha
[04:27] <Jucato> heh
[04:27] <Jucato> btw when are you leaving and for how long?
[04:28] <nixternal> looks like friday
[04:28] <nixternal> 2, maybe 3 days
[04:28] <Jucato> ah ok. thought about a few weeks
[04:28] <nixternal> oh no
[04:28] <Jucato> we wouldn't survive without you
[04:28] <nixternal> I couldn't stay in Michigan that long now
[04:29] <nixternal> pfft, whatever
[04:29] <Jucato> but we could do without the dancing in and out of channels :)
[04:29] <nixternal> hahaha, ass
[04:37] <nixternal> heh
[04:37] <nixternal> patching is easy
[04:37] <Jucato> when you're not new
[04:37] <nixternal> sure it is
[04:37] <nixternal> diff -Nru orig new > whatever.diff
[04:38] <nixternal> :)
[04:38] <Jucato> oh sorry
[04:38] <nixternal> mv whatever.diff */debian/patches
[04:38] <Jucato> what I meant to say was "I'm getting the hang of this packaging business"
[04:38] <nixternal> oh
[04:38] <nixternal> ya, packaging is pretty easy now
[04:38] <Jucato> fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep
[04:38] <nixternal> I like really hard packages now though....it drives me to learn even more
[04:38] <Jucato> once you get the hang of the techniques... but it took me this long :)
[04:39] <Jucato> hehe
[04:39] <nixternal> like building all of the kde4 packages...that was fun, insane, and mind-numbing all at the same time
[04:39] <nixternal> I still suck at packaging, after all of this time
[04:40] <Jucato> haha
[04:40] <nixternal> it just hasn't become natural for me yet
[04:40] <Jucato> if you suck.. then I'm hopeless
[04:40] <nixternal> I am getting close though
[04:40] <nixternal> bah, you are insane
[04:40] <Jucato> hahah
[04:41] <Jucato> but patching an existing debian package is relatively easy compared to debianizing something that isn't yet
[04:41] <Jucato> makes me wanna checkinstall :P
[04:41] <nixternal> I bet if you were to work at it right now, I guarantee you can be a MOTU come the first stages of Hardy
[04:41] <nixternal> with ease
[04:41] <Jucato> I bet I can too
[04:41] <nixternal> well, if you use cdbs, debianizing a package is a breeze
[04:41] <Jucato> the problem is the "right now" :P
[04:41] <nixternal> even if it doesn't have configure or makefiles
[04:42] <nixternal> I like getting the odd job packages, that use stuff like install.sy
[04:42] <nixternal> err, s/sy/sh
[04:42] <nixternal> I helped ScottK fix a Python package and I had no idea wth I was doing
[04:42] <Jucato> I guess the reason why I find it so hard is because I'm trying to learn how to do it the manual way
[04:42] <nixternal> that is the way I did it
[04:43] <nixternal> I still do it the manual way really
[04:43] <Jucato> I think that would be the best way to learn
[04:43] <nixternal> I don't use cdbs-edit-patch at all, and have never used it
[04:43] <Jucato> I use vim
[04:43] <Jucato> hahah
[04:43] <nixternal> maybe if I started using it and got used to it, then I would
[04:43] <nixternal> ya, I use the same
[04:44] <Jucato> I have a few ideas for the packaging guide.. but I guess that depends on the path that MOTU's want it to take...
[04:44] <Jucato> should it be just a supplement to the Debian guides? or should it be self-sufficient?
[04:44] <nixternal> talk to Jordan about it
[04:45] <nixternal> nobody else seems to be stepping up
[04:45] <nixternal> truthfully, I would like self-sufficient, because the Debian Guides aren't always that clear
[04:45] <Jucato> well basically my ideas revovle more around providing concrete and step-by-step examples
[04:45] <Jucato> I mean.. packaging GNU hello? :)
[04:46] <nixternal> there are the Recipes on the MOTU wiki page as well, you can always add to those
[04:46] <Jucato> ooh recipes
[04:46] <nixternal> ya, I think there should be a few examples truthfully
[04:46] <Jucato> why not call them ebuilds? hehehe
[04:46] <nixternal> don't ask me
[04:46] <Jucato> heheh
[04:47] <Jucato> hm.. one of these days...
[04:47] <Jucato> but C++ comes first! :P
[04:47] <nixternal> OK, time to go change and chill for a few minutes...bbiaf
[04:47] <Jucato> see yah
[05:03] <Jucato> haha
[05:05] <nixternal> thanks :)
[05:05] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:05] <nixternal> my brothers pirated XP crashed and burned
[05:06] <nixternal> he calls and is like "dude, there is only the trash icon and nothing else on my computer"
[05:06] <nixternal> "what should I do?"
[05:06] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[05:06] <nixternal> that was his answer :)
[05:06] <nixternal> I told him, once you download that, boot your computer from it, click the install CD, and if you have a question, call me
[05:06] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <Jucato> I bet he will )
[05:06] <Jucato> :)
[05:06] <nixternal> once you are done, we will set it up so I can connect to it and you will be good to go!
[05:07] <nixternal> I know he will
[05:07] <nixternal> he is absolutely brilliant when it comes to doing tricked out cars, classic, imports, whatever it is, he can make it kick ass
[05:07] <nixternal> tell him to turn on a computer, and you might as well fly to the moon...he is absolutely e-tarded
[05:08] <nixternal> Jucato: why yes it is OK
[05:08] <nixternal> I wish I would have started using my Kubuntu.org email from the get go truthfully
[05:08] <Jucato> coz seems like everyone's using the @ubuntu.com :(
[05:08] <nixternal> ya, I followed that JR guys lead
[05:08] <nixternal> :)
[05:08] <Jucato> lol
[05:09] <nixternal> but I like that he prefers to use @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org over @canonical.com though, shows his community committment if you ask me
[05:09] <Jucato> sudo pbuilder build
[05:09] <stdin> shouldn't it be @ubuntu.com  re: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[05:09] <Jucato> oops
[05:09] <nixternal> ooh, I forgot about that stupidity
[05:09] <Jucato> that's only in debian/control right?
[05:09] <stdin> sudo make me a coffee
[05:09] <nixternal> but you can hack your script (deb-source) to ignore those errors
[05:10] <nixternal> actually, it accepts @lists.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <Jucato> yeah.. and that's for debian/control...
[05:10] <nixternal> because we have been setting some of the kde packages up with kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <ScottK> For the changelog it can be anything.
[05:11] <stdin> I don't think the changelog matters anyone@anywhere.antthing will do
[05:11] <Jucato> sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc <--- correct?
[05:11] <stdin> yep
[05:11] <nixternal> yessir-e bob
[05:11] <nixternal> bbiaf...I need a chill minute before my bro calls me back
[05:12] <Jucato> heheh ok :)
[05:12] <Jucato> yessir-e bob squarepants?
[05:12] <stdin> no, that's "yessir-e sponge bob"
[05:13] <Jucato> hehe
[05:14] <stdin> hmm, why is windows evil?? I had to clean this add/spyware thing off an XP host (running in kubuntu) then kept asking for payment for an "adult" site. and my _mom_ asked if it was _MY_ bill >:|
[05:14] <stdin> erm, /then/that/
[05:14] <Jucato> hehe
[05:15] <stdin> all windows's fault, I blame Bill
[05:45] <Jucato> not far...
[05:45] <n8k99> O.o
[05:45] <Jucato> yay! downloading the builddeps for kdepim in pbuilder is already taking long :P
[05:45] <n8k99> oh really
[05:46] <Jucato> according to someone, KMail is currently being a showstopper for 4.0...
[05:46] <n8k99> explain
[05:46] <Jucato> youll have to ask him
[05:46] <n8k99> Kmail is not getting love and attention?
[05:47] <n8k99> or because there is KMail the show is stopping
[05:47] <Jucato> the former I think
[05:47] <n8k99> and who is him
[05:47] <Jucato> according to him, kde4.0 can't be released until kmail is done....
[05:47] <Jucato> a name that seems to be tabboo in here... :)
[05:48] <n8k99> Oh! wow!
[05:48] <Jucato> involves a certain dev of a certain KDE communication app :)
[05:50] <Jucato> ok.. the exact words were "release blocker" :)
[05:50] <n8k99> ah i see
[05:51] <n8k99> i am afraid i can hardly disagree with that sentiment
[05:51] <n8k99> but only from the point of view of a 'salesman'
[05:51] <Jucato> "KMail is considered a release blocker, however. I.e. there won't be a release until KMail is ready"
[05:52] <n8k99> i mean what am i to sell people if they can't check their email for several months?
[05:52] <Jucato> heh
[06:03] <ScottK> KDE 4 certainly be unusable for me until Kmail works.
[06:35] <stdin> ahh, the joy of finding out one typo can wast hours of time :)
[06:35] <nixternal> argh!
[06:35] <nixternal> I told him to download Kubuntu...and he is like "the orange bar froze"
[06:35] <Jucato> :)
[06:35] <Jucato> at least he's near :)
[06:35] <n8k99> speaking of argh nixternal
[06:35] <nixternal> what orange bar, and then he reads back "Ubuntu"
[06:35] <nixternal> I told you he is e.tarded
[06:35] <Jucato> ah perfect argument for "Ubuntu with KDE" :)
[06:36] <nixternal> no it isn't
[06:36] <n8k99> thanx for the sleepless night
[06:36] <Jucato> UKE = Ubuntu KDE Edition. just don't tell that to a Japanese
[06:36] <nixternal> don't use him in a stat at all
[06:36] <Jucato> hehehe
[06:36] <n8k99> nights
[06:36] <nixternal> g'nite n8k99
[06:36] <n8k99> um- no sorry
[06:37] <n8k99> that was thanks for the sleepless nights due to projecteuler
[06:38] <Jucato> nixternal: he was trying to be sarcastic I think
[06:38] <n8k99> not really sarcastic but not completely, um, what's the opposite of...
[06:38] <Jucato> um...
[06:39] <Jucato> I'd say the same, but mine involves lines of GCC output
[06:40] <Jucato> that I can't decipher of course
[06:40] <n8k99> heh
[06:40] <nixternal> oh
[06:40] <nixternal> hehe
[06:40] <nixternal> now he is downloading Kubuntu
[06:40] <Jucato> wait for another hour or so hehee
[06:41] <stdin> Jucato: you compiled GCC then? I thought you were just learning C++
[06:41] <Jucato> hahah very funny
[06:41] <stdin> (that was sarcasm btw :P)
[06:41] <Jucato> btw, I fixed that weird korganizer bug...
[06:41] <Jucato> weird that no one reported it since the same line has been there since 3.5.5
[06:42] <nixternal> what is that?
[06:42] <n8k99> what line?
[06:42] <Jucato> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146648
[06:42] <ubotu> KDE bug 146648 in general "Audio notification open file dialog has bug in default file filter" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[06:42] <nixternal> the new kdepim has a huge glaring typo highlighted in green...has anyone noticed that?
[06:43] <Jucato> where?
[06:43] <n8k99> honestly, i haven't
[06:43] <nixternal> when you compose an email
[06:43] <nixternal> and sign it
[06:43] <Jucato> oh I don't sign my mails yet
[07:00] <Jucato> is it possible to pbuild only korganizer and libkdepim from the kdepim source package?
[07:01] <stdin> don't think so, it's all part of the one package, dh_build splits it up in to deb packages
[07:02] <Jucato> thought so...
[07:02] <Jucato> hmph
[07:03] <Jucato> I guess not without changing debian/control
[09:25] <_StefanS_> morning!
[09:26] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_! :)
[09:26] <_StefanS_> hep hey Jucato
[09:27] <Jucato> ugh!!! now why doesn't this work!?!?!
[09:27] <Jucato> ehehe sorry bout that :P
[09:28] <_StefanS_> Jucato: anything I can help with ?
[09:28] <Jucato> well it's a packaging thing so you probably could :)
[09:28] <Jucato> actually post-packaging
[09:28] <stdin> it doesn't work because you forget to make the ceremonial sacrifice to the Linux gods
[09:28] <Jucato> I just did
[09:28] <Jucato> a lamb and a chicken
[09:29] <stdin> always spill the blood of 100 Windows users before running pbuild :p
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: whats the error you get?
[09:29] <Jucato> hold on while I try to sort this out first
[09:29] <_StefanS_> sure :)
[09:29] <Jucato> I patched korganizer (took almost 3 hours for kdepim to build)
[09:30] <Jucato> it builds, it installs, it runs.. but I can't save any event
[09:30] <Jucato> emphasis on the *almost 3 hours*
[09:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you're using pbuilder?
[09:30] <stdin> Jucato: you should setup ccache, saves time if/when you compile the same code
[09:30] <Jucato> perhaps I need too install the libk* depends of korganizer too
[09:30] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yep
[09:31] <Jucato> stdin: how? :(
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe I should donate some computing power to you :)
[09:31] <Jucato> too late to do that now though
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: my quad will be ready today :)
[09:31] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nah. I have to experience this first.. and learn ccache
[09:32] <stdin> Jucato: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5dfd8cf7d58964fa6fb1a383800c68f61caa068d
[09:34] <stdin> apt-get install ccache   first tho :p
[09:35] <Jucato> done and done
[09:37] <Jucato> the annoying part is that a package built from pbuilder doesn't work while something compiled manually does
[09:52] <Jucato> ugh! annoying
[09:56] <Jucato> ok now it works
[09:57] <Jucato> _StefanS_: imagine the process I had to go through/wait for... just to fix a probably unnoticed/unused bug, which involves replacing a single, non-executing line with 4 words...
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Jucato: thats the beauty of computers.. waiting.
[09:58] <Jucato> but my brain can't :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> I hate waiting. Thats why I upgrade :D
[09:58] <Jucato> hahah
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Seems like I can push the Q6600 to ~3.5ghz
[09:59] <_StefanS_> cant wait to give it an OC-beating :)
[09:59] <Jucato> yay! it woiks!
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Jucato: congrats :)
[10:03] <Jucato> hehe
[10:03] <Jucato> wanna see the bug?
[10:03] <Jucato> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146648
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep
[10:03] <ubotu> KDE bug 146648 in general "Audio notification open file dialog has bug in default file filter" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[10:03] <Jucato> it's actually pretty stupid :)
[10:03] <_StefanS_> oh yep
[10:03] <_StefanS_> did you try to correct it?
[10:03] <Jucato> I succeeded :)
[10:04] <_StefanS_> thats coool :)
[10:04] <Jucato> it was just one line!!!!
[10:04] <Jucato> and 3 hours to build in pbuilder hahah
[10:04] <_StefanS_> bah :)
[10:04] <_StefanS_> you better learn to cache then
[10:04] <Jucato> but I knew it worked before I tried pbuilder
[10:04] <Jucato> I compiled from svn first. and that was easier. because I don't need to build everything
[10:04] <_StefanS_> why didnt you just build it using debuild
[10:05] <Jucato> er...
[10:05] <Jucato> wouldn't it still build all of kdepim?
[10:05] <_StefanS_> I mean, I know pbuilder builds _every_ dependency, but if it was only a one line fix, maybe pbuilder is overkill :)
[10:05] <_StefanS_> yes.
[10:05] <_StefanS_> I did.
[10:05] <Jucato> hehe oh well....
[10:07] <Jucato> _StefanS_: could you check if the debdiff is correct: http://jucato.org/stuff/korganizer_alarm_fix.debdiff
[10:08] <_StefanS_> looks ok to me
[10:09] <Jucato> so the process goes a bit like this: 1) make changes, 2) diff -ruN 3) put patch in debian/patch 4) edit change whatever needs editing in debian/ 4) run debuild -S 5) make debdiff
[10:10] <_StefanS_> yep
[10:10] <_StefanS_> thats what I normally do
[10:10] <Jucato> great now I got the process down :)
[10:10] <_StefanS_> you can use cdbs-edit-patch or something to automate the diff of the changes vs. the original source
[10:10] <_StefanS_> it copies the whole source tree, and lets you modify, and diff upon exit
[10:10] <_StefanS_> never used that method though.
[10:11] <_StefanS_> I know fdoving does.
[10:11] <Jucato> vim!! :)
[10:11] <Jucato> hehehe
[10:11] <_StefanS_> but... I would definitely use debuild for small oneliners like that.
[10:12] <Jucato> heh.. it could have been easier if I could just build korganizer + whatever lib it depended on
[10:12] <Jucato> like libkdepim :(
[10:13] <_StefanS_> well I dont think you can, but once you have built kdepim you can just use debuild -nc to test your changes
[10:13] <_StefanS_> speeds up the process quite a bit
[10:13] <Jucato> cool
[10:13] <Jucato> or in this case. ccache
[10:13] <_StefanS_> yes, I dont know nothing about it though :)
[10:14] <Jucato> ditto
[10:14] <Jucato> nixternal once told me about it. but not how
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: so something like apt-get source kdepim, apt-get build-dep kdepim, debuild gets you going fast.
[10:18] <Jucato> ok so I submitted the patch upstream... but still made a debdiff in case we want it in soonish
[10:20] <_StefanS_> nice :)
[10:21] <Jucato> someone's going to commit it for me :)
[10:58] <Riddell>  /win 182
[10:58] <Riddell> hmm
[11:04] <freeflying> Happy Mid-autumn Festival :) a traditional chinese festival
[11:06] <Riddell> mid autumn already?
[11:06] <Riddell> it's only just getting sunny here
[11:10] <freeflying> tonight, we will enjoy moon cake  :)
[12:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey :D
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yop ;)
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: Uploaded a fixed k3b, to build withou k3bsetup2 instead of building with and then not install the files, which can cause problems since the k3bsetup is then accessible via the kmenu
[12:10] <Riddell> mm, ok
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: just did the way debian does
[12:10] <Riddell> groovy
[12:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so did you uploade kdebluetooth yet? :)
[12:50] <Riddell> 279634 | S- | kdebluetooth         | 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu1   | 12 hours
[12:50] <Riddell> presumably that's it in unapproved
[12:51] <Riddell> Jucato, Mez: you realise that guy is still on the channel?
[12:51] <Jucato> I only wanted to quiet him
[12:52] <Mez> yep, it was a mute
[12:52] <Riddell> 279703 | S- | kdebluetooth         | 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu2   | 20 hours
[12:52] <Riddell> twice infact
[12:58] <Jucato> Riddell: excuse me. regarding the d3lphin patch I made, how will it reach upstream? should I e-mail the maintainer w/ the patch?
[12:59] <Riddell> Jucato: yes please
[12:59] <Jucato> ok. thanks :)
[12:59] <Jucato> and btw, Yay I'm on Planet KDE!! :D
[01:01] <Riddell> awooga
[01:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is kdebluetooth waiting some sort of approval ?
[01:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks for seeing that.
[01:08] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, we're in freeze for beta
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but it was under an exception like you discussed with Tonio_ yesterday
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so it just needs approval(?)
[01:10] <Jucato> patch sent
[01:11] <Jucato> Riddell: btw also made a patch for korganizer for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146648
[01:11] <ubotu> KDE bug 146648 in general "Audio notification open file dialog has bug in default file filter" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[01:11] <Jucato> annma committed it upstream, but I have a debdiff too
[01:12] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/stuff/korganizer_alarm_fix.debdiff just in case
[01:21] <Lure> Jucato: ok, will check that it is in new snapshot
[01:22] <Lure> Jucato, Riddell: I plan fo another kdepim snapshot from svn - currently testing last-friday in my ppa
[01:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it has my approval, but it still won't get through until beta is out
[01:22] <Lure> Jucato: was this fix commited into enterprise branch of kdepim? I do not see it in svn log...
[01:23] <Riddell> Lure: great
[01:24] <Lure> Riddell: I am out from sailing on Saturday, so I hope I have something by then
[01:25] <Lure> Riddell: are there beta candidates available and good to try? I will get new laptop motherboard today and will probably do clean install
[01:28] <Riddell> Lure: later today there should be
[01:28] <Riddell> currently I'm still testing upgrade
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: great, good timing for me ;-)
[01:29] <Riddell> 12:29 < pitti> heno, stgraber: FYI, xubuntu and kubuntu builds should be good now, tracker updated
[01:29] <Riddell> Lure: there you go
[01:31] <Lure> Riddell: is this desktop or alternate?
[01:31] <Riddell> Lure: both
[02:04] <Jucato> oh Lure's gone :(
[02:30] <Goliath23> hi
[02:32] <Goliath23> There is a issue with the kubuntu kde-splash in gutsy. (it doesn't calculate the margins between the icons correctly on dual screen setups) ... could someone point me to the package that contains the "kubuntu" splash screen for KDE?
[02:34] <Riddell> Goliath23: please test the ubuntu usplash and let me know if that works OK, we're due to sync with that code momentarily
[02:34] <Jucato> Goliath23: do you mean the bootsplash or ksplash?
[02:35] <Goliath23> Jucato: the ksplash
[02:35] <Goliath23> Riddell: sorry, i don't have an ubuntu installation or live cd here right now.
[02:35] <Jucato> I think he mistook it for usplash
[02:36] <Goliath23> oh okay. usplash works much better in gutsy than in feisty. on kubuntu. I was talking about the kde splash screen that is shown after you enter the password in KDM
[02:37] <Goliath23> so any Idea in what source package I would find this theme? I installed the kdebase source but it seems do contain only the kde defaults, not the kubuntu ksplsh theme.
[02:38] <Jucato> kubuntu-default-settings
[02:38] <Jucato> probably
[02:38] <Goliath23> since it's the default kde splash theme I think it should get it right. its pretty ugly right now, because the icons are overlapping on dual screen setups and it pretty much the first thing the user sees. ... okay, thanks, I'll check
[02:40] <Riddell> Goliath23: it's ksplash-engine-moodin
[02:40] <Jucato> oh
[02:40] <Goliath23> Riddell: I found the theme.rc in kubuntu-default-settnigs
[02:40] <Riddell> there's that too
[02:41] <Goliath23> will check the otherone too, I first have to understand how the icons are placed
[02:41] <Riddell> but your bug will be in the code in ksplash-engine-moodin
[02:41] <Goliath23> okay
[02:41] <Riddell> make sure to apply patches in debian/patches first
[02:41] <Goliath23> is there a simple command to do this for a source package?
[02:42] <Jucato> Riddell: is it only in gutsy that kdm switches from reading /etc/kde3/kdm/ first to /etc/default/kdm.d/ ?
[02:44] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[02:44] <Jucato> ah I see
[02:44] <Riddell> Goliath23: apt-get source ksplash-engine-moodin
[02:44] <Riddell> cd ksplash-engine-moodin-<tab>
[02:44] <Riddell> debuild
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[02:45] <Riddell> cd obj-<tab>
[02:45] <Riddell> sudo make install
[02:45] <Goliath23> emdebian-tools?
[02:45] <Goliath23> or where is debuild hidden?
[02:46] <Riddell> devscripts
[02:48] <Jucato> I guess that new setup kinda breaks kdmtheme...
[02:48] <Goliath23> this particular ksplash theme is broken since feisty or even longer
[02:50] <Jucato> "Override files found, so this theming will not have effect. Please see /usr/share/doc/kdm/README.Debian for more information" <--- this is what pops up when trying to use kdmtheme on gutsy...
[02:51] <freeflying> Riddell: any plan for kde-3.5.8
[02:51] <Jucato> hi freeflying! you have any mooncakes to pass around? :)
[02:51] <freeflying> Jucato: yes, do you wanna one :)
[02:51] <Jucato> very much! :)
[02:52] <Goliath23> this moodin engine, is it kubuntu-specific?
[02:52] <freeflying> Jucato: its really delicious
[02:52] <Jucato> although what I really want now is something we here call "tikoy".. I forgot what it's name in Chinese is
[02:52] <Riddell> freeflying: not too sure, it seems like a worst case scenario
[02:53] <freeflying> Jucato: and we will have a meeting tomorrow night with beijingluggers, enjoy it
[02:53] <Jucato> yum! :)
[02:54] <freeflying> Riddell: quite a few bug fix, worth to ask for UVE?
[02:55] <freeflying> Jucato: http://www.beijinglug.org/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=164&Itemid=1
[02:55] <Riddell> freeflying: I could grant myself an upstream version freeze exception, the question is if there's any time for it since it gets tagged in the 7th and we do release candidate 4 days later
[02:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!
[02:57] <freeflying> Riddell: i see, the bug fix is tantalizing  :)
[02:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: do you wanna some moon cake? :)
[02:58] <Goliath23> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[02:58] <Goliath23> a package named similar to libstdc++-dev.
[02:58] <Riddell> Goliath23: apt-get install build-essnetial
[02:58] <Goliath23> ^^ debuild gives that... although I have libstdc++6-dev installed...
[02:58] <Riddell> Goliath23: apt-get install build-essential
[02:58] <Goliath23> kk
[02:59] <Goliath23> nope, same error. it insists that I can't compile c++ programs..
[02:59] <ScottK> Hello Hobbsee.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi ScottK
[03:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying: moon cake?  could be fun
[03:00] <Goliath23> sudo apt-get remove libstdc++6-dev
[03:00] <Goliath23> argh
[03:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: so, come on, enjoy with us tomorrow night  :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying: where?
[03:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: Beijing, China
[03:03] <Goliath23> I think I better file a bug... I can't do it myself atm
[03:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i dont think i can get there by tomorrow...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: and i speak no chinese :)
[03:04] <Goliath23> Riddell: shall I file it against ksplash-engine-moodin or kubuntu-default-settings (which contains the Theme.rc with what seems to be fixed icon positions)?
[03:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: your tomorrow is our today... you'll be travelling back in time :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hmmm...good point
[03:05] <freeflying> Hobbsee: never mind of language, guys maily speak English there  :)
[03:05] <Riddell> Goliath23: ksplash-engine-moodin
[03:05] <Goliath23> okay
[03:11] <Goliath23> Riddell: its already there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41407
[03:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:27] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: I have re-opened bug 135893 as at least one obvious bug is there (with fixed) and additional issue which seems to be upgrade related
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135893 in kdebluetooth "kblueplugd crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135893
[03:27] <Jucato> Lure: the patch I submitted wasn't to the enterprise edition, since it seems even the main branch has that bug
[03:28] <Lure> Jucato: ok, then ping guys in #kontact to add it to enterprise too
[03:28] <Jucato> ah they don't automatically?
[03:29] <Lure> Jucato: they do, but not very often
[03:31] <Lure> Jucato: why, it was accepted immediately ;-)
[03:31] <Jucato> hahah
[03:32] <Jucato> I didn't approach them first... I didn't know annma would commit it immediately :)
[03:37] <manchicken> Does anybody know what's causing the octet/stream unknown mime-type error?
[03:37] <manchicken> It's not doing good things to my machine...
[03:43] <Riddell> but then I'm still on feisty
[03:43] <Jucato> O.o
[03:44] <Tonio_> Lure: so the point is that kdebluetooth should depend on "bluetooth" as it is not install during an update
[03:44] <Tonio_> Lure: and then the exit should be changed to sys.exet(1)
[03:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll manage to do the changes toonight
[03:44] <Lure> Tonio_: positive for second, not sure about dependancy
[03:47] <Tonio_> Lure: well some guys claim that installing bluetooth manually fixed the issue
[03:47] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll test by removing the bluetooth package on my machine
[03:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: when a package waits to be approved is there a place we can download it ?
[03:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm unsure to have the kdebluetooth package locally here
[03:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/unapproved/
[03:50] <nixternal> Riddell: I started the beta page, so as you get stuff you want on there, put it up there and I will work on it
[03:50] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu
[03:50] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm not sure how best to cover stuff, presumably we want to cover new since tribe 5 and also greatest hits of gutsy
[03:50] <Riddell> and how to upgrade
[03:51] <nixternal> OK, so make it biggggggg
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: super, thanks
[03:51] <Jucato> nixternal: unfortunately.. no..
[03:52] <nixternal> otherwise, I just say ":%s/feisty/gutsy/" and then dist-upgrade :)
[03:52] <Jucato> the only time I upgraded was to test the upgrade tool from edgy to eisty
[03:52] <Jucato> feisty
[03:54] <nixternal> you know what upset me this morning....the LoCo teams are only getting like 300 CDs, and 45 are Kubuntu (30 x86, 15 amd64)...15 are Edubuntu, and the rest (230) are all Ubuntu
[03:55] <Tonio_> Lure: well in fact we have to make sure bluetooth service is running in the kblueplugd script
[03:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll do that toonight
[03:55] <nixternal> Ubuntu: 200 pc, 25 amd64 | Kubuntu: 30 pc, 15 amd64 | Edubuntu: 30 pc
[03:55] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[03:56] <Lure> nixternal: that is what marketing focus is
[03:56] <nixternal> tell me about it
[03:56] <nixternal> I will just have more pressed here
[03:57] <nixternal> for feisty, I had 1000 cds pressed for like $500
[03:57] <nixternal> I should just buy one of those multi cd burners...with either the printing thing attached, or the Lightscribe edition
[03:58] <Jucato> last time I was at an event where we distributed *buntu CD's, the Kubuntu CD's easily ran out.. and people were asking for more...
[03:59] <nixternal> that always happens with us
[03:59] <nixternal> Kubuntu CDs will run out before we even get 15 Ubuntu CDs out
[03:59] <Jucato> commercially, we are really 2nd class :(
[03:59] <allee> Tonio_, Lure: well, if there no bluetooth daemon running, then we should not start kblueooth, not the other way round IMHO
[04:00] <nixternal> and yet, I believe we have the largest rollouts
[04:01] <Jucato> ironic eh?
[04:01] <nixternal> alrighty, gotta go take care of some things and I shall be back later
[04:01] <Lure> nixternal: but probably not with commercial support (otherwise there would be alos new kde job openings)
[04:02] <allee> Tonio_, Lure: if no blueooth daemon then there's no dbus manager for blueooth, so kblueplug daemon should exit without doing anything
[04:02] <Tonio_> allee: absolutly
[04:03] <allee> mhmm maybe exit -> quit() in this case
[04:05] <Tonio_> allee: what's the difference between quit and exit ?
[04:05] <allee> Tonio_: there was one.  Can't remember lemme check ...
[04:09] <Lure> Jucato: your patch was merged into enterprise: r716882
[04:10] <Jucato> yay!
[04:10] <Jucato> (that fast? wow!)
[04:14] <allee> Tonio_: pythong exit() and quit() seem to be identical.   Qt there quit() and exit_(rc)
[04:16] <Riddell> in qt 4 quit() is a slot and calls exit(0)
[04:16] <Jucato> pythong... sounds kinky :)
[04:17] <Riddell> :)
[04:28] <Riddell> davmor2: are you testing CDs today?
[04:37] <fdoving> hi all.
[04:39] <Jucato> hi fdoving
[04:39] <fdoving> hello jucato.
[04:52] <davmor2> Riddell: yes just finished rsyncing the isos
[04:53] <Riddell> great
[04:55] <davmor2> Riddell: starting with X/K/edu as they are the least test I tend to leave ubuntu and just dl it on the of chance :0
[04:55] <davmor2> :) even
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Bandwidth pains yet?
[04:55] <Riddell> much appreciated
[04:55] <jjesse> morning
[04:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nah.. my moment of fame is over :)
[04:56] <Jucato> that was an exciting first experience though... Digg hehehe
[04:57] <Jucato> (too bad never reached 500 diggs :( )
[04:57] <DaSkreech> I could pay some people
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Jucato: The Gnome 2.20 release got huuuuge number of diggs
[04:57] <Jucato> who am I to compete? :)
[04:58] <Jucato> but at least a former nobody like me had my moment hahah
[04:58] <Jucato> and for a day, I got lots of readers :)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> My consolation is that there have been waaaaay more KDE articles in the past two weeks than the one Gnome article
[05:01] <kwwii_> Riddell: how does one set up a meeting on ubuntu-meeting?
[05:02] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[05:02] <Jucato> kwwii: have you seen the bug about ksplash mentioned earlier?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Hallo :)
[05:02] <Riddell> kwwii: tell nixternal or someone to put it on the fridge
[05:02] <Riddell> and it'll appear in the /topic shortly thereafter
[05:03] <kwwii> Jucato: yeah I saw that but it is not my fault :p
[05:03] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, thanks
[05:03] <Jucato> kwwii: hahah! :)
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: And you stress tested your blog software :)
[05:04] <kwwii> if in doubt, blame the artist
[05:04] <Hobbsee> yes, it's all kwwii's fault.
[05:04] <kwwii> :p
[05:04] <Jucato> hahaha
[05:05] <kwwii> nixternal: I want to plan an ubuntu artwork team meeting for next Tuesday at 17:00UTC - can you help me?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> awww, fudge.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> curse it - i wnated to call a kubuntu meeting for tomorrow.
[05:07] <Jucato> on such short notice? :)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> no - didnt realise that it was so late in the month
[05:08] <Hobbsee> i think i effectively lost a week
[05:08] <jjesse> Hobbsee: so my boss asked me if i would be willing to fly down to sydney for a week to teach some training :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what did you say?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> jjesse: (and which week?)
[05:08] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i said of course i would love to, week of nov. 15
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm, probably a few sydney-ites around at that time
[05:09] <Hobbsee> and the odd nz-er.
[05:09] <jjesse> its like a 24 hour trip for me
[05:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, well.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: welcome to australia.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: make sure you catch up with a whole group of us for a beear
[05:09] <Hobbsee> er, beer
[05:09] <n8k99> aren't all nz-ers odd?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> yes.
[05:09] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i will, i'll make sure to send some form of announcment (don't know where) closer to acutally happening
[05:09] <n8k99> thought so
[05:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: cool
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: We moved away from it being nixternal's fault?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: we cant blame nixternal *all* the time.  just most of it.
[05:11] <jjesse> hmmm in my recently installed and completly up to date version of gutsy when i go to system settings -> User Management I get notified that libpython2.5.so is not found in paths
[05:11] <jjesse> anyone else seeing this or is it just me?
[05:11] <DaSkreech>  Esp if it's windows related
[05:20] <Riddell> manchicken: I've done a fresh gutsy install and I'm not seeing any mimetype problems
[05:21] <manchicken> Riddell: That's fine.  I just created a blank one and the problem magically disappears.
[05:21] <jjesse> Riddell: seeing any problems going into User Management of System Settings?
[05:22] <jjesse> getting "libpython2.5.so" not fund in paths
[05:22] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, broken here
[05:22] <jjesse> Riddell: do i need to report a bug on that or has it been done already?
[05:23] <davmor2> Riddell: trying 64bit now
[05:23] <Riddell> it's not been reported as far as I know
[05:23] <jjesse> ok filing right now with screenshot
[05:25] <Riddell> screenshot won't help
[05:25] <Riddell> output of running it on command line might
[05:25] <jjesse> ok i'll grab that
[05:26] <Jucato> thought that has been fixed
[05:26] <Jucato> jjesse: could you check if you have python2.5-dev installed?
[05:27] <jjesse> Jucato: sure
[05:27] <jjesse> i didn't have it installed
[05:27] <jjesse> would you like me to?
[05:27] <Jucato> it will solve that bug...but not really fix it :)
[05:27] <davmor2> Riddell: glad to see you got rid of the check cd bug :)
[05:28] <Jucato> I think the bug was that libpython2.5.so was put into the -dev package
[05:28] <Riddell> jjesse: installing libpythonize0-dev fixes it
[05:28] <jjesse> is there a reason that user management is the only module i've seen affected?
[05:28] <Riddell> oh but that pulls in python2.5-dev
[05:29] <Jucato> jjesse: should be all kde-guidance modules
[05:29] <Riddell> jjesse: mount, display and restricted manager will be affected too
[05:30] <Riddell> mm, it is python2.5-dev it needs
[05:31] <Riddell> guess I'll add that as a depends for libpythonize0
[05:31] <jjesse> ok affected modules are Restricted drives, Disk & Filesystems, System Services, Windows Applications and Monitor & Display
[05:32] <jjesse> bug # 144815
[05:32] <Jucato> all guidance stuff
[05:33] <jjesse> yes sir
[05:33] <jjesse> bug #144815
[05:33] <jjesse> is ubotu not responding to the bugs correctly or am i not typing them in?
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144815 in kde-systemsettings "[Gutsy]  Unable to load module "User Management"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144815
[05:33] <jjesse> ah he's a little slow today :)
[05:34] <Jucato> :)
[05:34] <Jucato> !botsnack
[05:34] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:34] <Jucato> hehe
[05:34] <jjesse> !nixternal
[05:34] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[05:34] <jjesse> man i laugh every time i see that one
[05:34] <Jucato> heheh
[05:38] <kwwii> anyone know when nixternal will be around?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> he wont.  we ate him
[05:39] <yuriy> hi
[05:39] <Jucato> don't believe her... she's the only one who ate him
[05:39] <Jucato> and I have proof!!
[05:39] <kwwii> Hobbsee: careful you might get fat :p
[05:39] <Jucato> [22:22]  <Hobbsee> mmm...bugs...
[05:39] <Jucato> [22:22]  * Hobbsee munches
[05:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: does tha tmean people will find it harder to break me?
[05:40] <kwwii> Hobbsee: you can only hope
[05:40] <davmor2> Hobbsee: do you really want to be that hard to break :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> davmor2: based on how many people attempted to break me at UDS....
[05:41] <yuriy> does kdesudo not work for multiple commands with && in quotes like kdesu did?
[05:41] <Jucato> yuriy: for example?
[05:42] <yuriy> kdesudo "software-properties-kde --enable-component universe && adept_batch install wine"
[05:42] <yuriy> which is what wineconfig is trying to do and failing
[05:42] <yuriy> adept complains about not being able to write adept_batchrc, then about not having root priviliges
[05:43] <Jucato> confirmed
[05:43] <yuriy> hmm let's see, but otoh it seems it caches the password so i should be able to just run 2 separate commands
[05:44] <Jucato> hm..
[05:48] <yuriy> also if i change the code to use kdesudo i'm thinking i don't know if i should commit that to svn or just send in a patch for kubuntu
[05:50] <Jucato> so it seems that the command after && doesn't get sudo'ed ?
[05:52] <yuriy> yeah
[05:52] <Jucato> kdesudo command && kdesudo command seems to be the only workaround?
[05:54] <yuriy> i just want to make sure the user doesn't get prompted for a password twice
[05:54] <davmor2> Riddell: is there any chance you could make the blue text for ejecting the cd lighter so it stands out more at all?
[05:55] <Jucato> not if the next command happens within sudo's period of remembering...
[05:55] <Tonio_> yuriy: with kdesudo it won'ty
[05:55] <Tonio_> won't
[05:55] <Jucato> although it's a bug that it doesn't sudo the 2nd command right?
[05:55] <yuriy> ok thanks for chiming in Tonio_
[05:55] <Jucato> yay for Tonio_
[05:55] <Jucato> Tonio_: you finally got the kdmtheme bug fixed :)
[05:56] <Jucato> unfortunately, gutsy introduced a new bug for it :)
[05:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: :(
[05:58] <Jucato> Tonio_: because of the override in kdmrc (/etc/default/kdm.d/ gets read instead)
[06:03] <DaSkreech> yuriy: I can't do that with kdesu either
[06:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: ho yep indeed
[06:05] <DaSkreech> kdesu doesn't remember and needs to be done in front of each command
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Just did
[06:06] <Jucato> ok
[06:06] <Jucato> shutting down the laptop
[06:06] <Jucato> hmph... party pooper
[06:07] <DaSkreech> It's nothing new. Doesn't remember the sudo doesn't span connectors
[06:09] <Riddell> davmor2: certainly not for beta
[06:10] <Riddell> davmor2: I suspect there's a reason I chose that blue though (like it's the best one there is for the 16 colours)
[06:10] <Riddell> so folks, do we want to rebuild the CDs for this guidance/restricted manager bug?
[06:10] <jjesse> are the cds for beta?
[06:11] <Riddell> that was the hope
[06:11] <Riddell> but I think it would be nice to have restricted manager at least working since it's new and needs testing
[06:11] <jjesse> i think if it wasn't working there would be a large # of bugs filed
[06:12] <davmor2> no more testing damn you :P
[06:12] <Riddell> it's definatly broken, it's quite a recent break though
[06:12] <Riddell> davmor2: there wouldn't be a point in testing if we didn't then act on bugs it found!
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are there more bugs?
[06:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, this is the very last one
[06:13] <Hobbsee> and did hte kdebase upload ever get done?
[06:13] <davmor2> I'm only messing :)
[06:13] <Riddell> which kdebase upload?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the security fix
[06:13] <Riddell> I don't think it did
[06:13] <Hobbsee> we may want that one.
[06:13] <Riddell> it's not important for beta in my opinion
[06:14] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[06:14] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141378 was the bug in question
[06:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141378 in kdebase "[Security]  KDM Password-less login vulnerability" [Undecided,New] 
[06:30] <yuriy> DaSkreech: with kdesu on feisty it worked if you put everything after kdesu in quotes
[06:44] <yuriy> ok i changed wineconfig to use kdesudo and committed to svn
[06:45] <jjesse> so what was the decision on rebuilding the cds or not?
[06:49] <Riddell> jjesse: I think we will
[06:49] <Riddell> yuriy: use it where?
[06:50] <yuriy> Riddell: when installing wine. adept_batch was failing on gutsy the way it was calling it
[06:51] <Riddell> right
[06:51] <Riddell> yuriy: you know that in gutsy, kdesu is kdesudo?
[06:53] <yuriy> Riddell: yes, but it doesn't support the same symantics
[06:53] <Riddell> it doesn't?
[06:53] <yuriy> kdesu "command1 && command2" works but kdesudo doesn't apply to command2
[06:59] <yuriy> referring to kdesu on feisty
[07:00] <Riddell> right
[07:05] <Riddell> ta da http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/hello2.exe
[07:06] <Riddell> install  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/libqyoto1.0-cil_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[07:06] <Riddell> and run mono hello2.exe
[07:06] <Riddell> let me know if it works
[07:07] <ScottK> Riddell: You aren't seeding mono for Kubuntu now are you?  I considered no Mono a Kubuntu feature.
[07:08] <yuriy> wrapping qt in .NET? that just seems perverse
[07:09] <Riddell> so, test it and feel naughty
[07:09] <jjesse> mmmm dirty
[07:10] <yuriy> oh need to install mono first huh
[07:13] <yuriy> The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded.
[07:15] <yuriy> installed libmono2.0-cil
[07:15] <yuriy> now get an unhandled exception
[08:08] <Riddell> allee: what's the meeting?
[08:09] <Stecchino> does anyone else have firefox freezes in breezy?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: FAI
[08:09] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: ....breezy?
[08:09] <Stecchino> sorry, mean gutst
[08:09] <Stecchino> *gutsy
[08:10] <Riddell> was going to say that nobody uses breezy but of course meduxa (toscalix) does
[08:10] <Riddell> ah, right
[08:10] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: do you still get them if you nuke your profile folder?
[08:10] <Stecchino> let me try
[08:10] <Hobbsee> if so, file a bug upstream, if not, deal with your profile folder.
[08:10] <Stecchino> in ~/.firefox?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:10] <Hobbsee> where nuke == move, not delete
[08:12] <Stecchino> Hobbsee: All I can find that seems relevant is ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: you'll have another folder under ~/.mozilla/firefox/, i expect?
[08:12] <Stecchino> kx8uhzev.default yes
[08:12] <Hobbsee> oh, it is ~/.mozilla/firefox not ~/.firefox
[08:12] <Riddell> yuriy: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/libqyoto1.0-cil_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:12] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: that's your profile folder.  nuke the parent dir.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> then restart firefox, let it generate a new profile, and see if it still freezes.
[08:14] <Stecchino> eek: that means reinstalling all my addons!
[08:15] <Hobbsee> no, it means checking if the addons and profile are to blame, or if it's a bug in firefox itself.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> but it means that you'll be searching without addons, yes.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> if you moved it, not deleted it, then you can just move the folder back
[08:15] <Hobbsee> after you've done the troubleshooting
[08:16] <Stecchino> Hobbsee: what if a addon causes the hang
[08:16] <gnomefreak> just use firefox -safe-mode
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: then you have to find out which one, then go bug the maintainer of that.
[08:16] <gnomefreak> unless your talking plugins
[08:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: could be plugin-related, too.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but i'd forgotten about the safe mode
[08:17] <gnomefreak> than simple mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.old
[08:17] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I mean stuff like google bookmarks button, pdf download, target alert, etx
[08:17] <gnomefreak> yeha ive been meaning to bring that up about making a simple -safe-mode type script for plugins
[08:17] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: which was what i said :)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> i havent had the nerve to bring it up yet :) i kept bringing up kde intergration but seems we never got to it
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: what is teh exact issue?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: qt port was unfinished, last i checked.
[08:18] <gnomefreak> is it gutsy?
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ah so it was started?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sure.
[08:19] <Stecchino> Hobbsee: I think this is related
[08:19] <Stecchino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/140885
[08:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you can compile with a qt option
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140885 in mozilla-firefox "firefox freezes when greater than three windows are openened" [Undecided,New] 
[08:19] <gnomefreak> oh no i just saw this one
[08:19] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: gutsy?
[08:19] <Stecchino> yup
[08:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, gutsy
[08:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: oh sigh, why cant they file it from within apport?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you want to ask for the list of extensions there?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Stecchino: FYI, that bug contains zilch useful info
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: sudo update-alternatives --config java and choose the jgc version of 5 version
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: doesnt much matter i think this is the java6 issues
[08:20] <Hobbsee> er, except that it's a firefox problem, not a compiz
[08:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahhh
[08:20] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I do need sun java for some stuff
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: not right this sec you dont :)
[08:21] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: sun-java6-* and firefox is an issue that popped up maybe a week ago and i need to know if yours is same (not much info on bug but i have you here to test)
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: uh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pykdeextensions/+bug/144887
[08:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144887 in pykdeextensions "libpythonize0" [Undecided,New] 
[08:21] <gnomefreak> once i find out i can start testing ISO
[08:21] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: you mean gcj, the default?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: NFI *what* is broken about it.  the reporter didnt seem to feel it was necessary to say *what* about it was broken.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but it's the latest upload
[08:22] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: yes or better yet open the prefferneces and disable java and js
[08:22] <gnomefreak> use the preffereences
[08:22] <gnomefreak> not update-al* please i spoke too soon forgetting about pref.
[08:22] <Goliath23> anyone with a fresh gutsy installation here? (with no leftovers from edgy)? Could you please take a look at the settings for the kde splash screen and see if there's a kubuntu theme in there?
[08:23] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I wasn't able to reproduce it after nuking my profile folder
[08:23] <Stecchino> I'll try with the original profile and java disabled to reproduce
[08:24] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: that i can almost promise is java related but now enable all your plugins again and than open firefox than preferences and un tick java nd java-script
[08:24] <gnomefreak> im 99% sure it is the java issue and that is gonna suck if it is
[08:25] <gnomefreak> ScottK: i feel same way :(
[08:25] <Hobbsee> ScottK: where's our guide on reporting bugs?  please add it to the url above
[08:25] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I can at least confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/140885
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140885 in mozilla-firefox "firefox freezes when greater than three windows are openened" [Undecided,New] 
[08:25] <gnomefreak> we have a guide on reporting bugs?
[08:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: bug 84689 and bug 144815
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84689 in pykdeextensions "libpythonize0-0.4.0-3ubuntu1 depends on python2.5-dev" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84689
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144815 in kde-systemsettings "[Gutsy]  Unable to load module "User Management"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144815
[08:25] <Stecchino> it happends after opening the 3th window
[08:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: now fixed with new CDs coming
[08:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Dunno.  Sorry.
[08:25] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: is that the only type it happens?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's saying ubuntu3 is broken.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whicih is hte latest version
[08:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: if we dont, mozilla does.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: k
[08:26] <Riddell> that's old news, ubuntu4 is the latest now
[08:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah
[08:26] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: AFAIK yes
[08:27] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: disable java and see if it happens there sonly 2 things atm that i can think of that will cause this
[08:27] <gnomefreak> java-related or pango-related
[08:27] <gnomefreak> and both are a SOB
[08:27] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you're not tempted to blame plugins at all?
[08:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: pango and java are 2 biggest issues atm
[08:28] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: still hangs with java dissabled
[08:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ah
[08:28] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: thats what i was even more afraid of
[08:29] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: did you run across any other bugs that fit this bug discription by chance?
[08:30] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: no, just did a search for firefox + freeze
[08:30] <gnomefreak> im thinking i saw another one but i went through tons of bugs yesterday mozilla nd n-m
[08:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: or at least pinpoint the problem before telling him
[08:31] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i might have to i just wish i was able to reproduce it.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: what mang is your ubuntu set to?
[08:31] <gnomefreak> please dont say EN
[08:31] <gnomefreak> matter of fact dont say cech either
[08:31] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: I think it is, but how to tell
[08:32] <gnomefreak> any of the others would be coom
[08:32] <gnomefreak> cool
[08:32] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: kde or gnome?
[08:32] <Stecchino> e
[08:32] <Stecchino> kde
[08:32] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: where in kde is lang settings?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> i dont have it open atm
[08:32] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no idea @ this time of morning
[08:33] <gnomefreak> good point
[08:33] <gnomefreak> i forgot its very very early for you
[08:33] <Stecchino> System Settings > Ragional and Language
[08:33] <gnomefreak> um like 3-4am
[08:33] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: that works
[08:33] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: also check ff locales please
[08:33] <Stecchino> primary is EN-us
[08:33] <gnomefreak> should be same but check to make sure
[08:35] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: where can I find that?
[08:36] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: in the preffernces last i checked
[08:36] <Stecchino> ??? let me check again
[08:36] <Stecchino> yup, en-US
[08:37] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: 4.37am
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: ok give me a min or 2. is this your bug report or someone elses?
[08:39] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: someone else, but I just commented
[08:39] <gnomefreak> good ok
[08:40] <gnomefreak> adding technical crap for the user to do if you care to as well ill let you know when im done posting it
[08:41] <gnomefreak> damn LP
[08:41] <gnomefreak> son of a bitch
[08:42] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: hang out for a bit i have to go through yesterdays logs for something
[08:43] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: deleted my profile folder, java enabled and was able to open tens of firefox windows without freezing
[08:43] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: upload your profile to the bug, the bad one?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> and comment
[08:44] <Stecchino> the profile folder? isn't the a lot of private data in that?
[08:44] <gnomefreak> i have to add strace info and split command info to bug but first i want you to try something just to rest my mind
[08:44] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: ok just hold on to it for now
[08:48] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: in a few minutes if i find this command will tell me if it is or not pango related
[08:49] <Stecchino> I'll hold on
[08:53] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: ok set your old profile back up please
[08:53] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: when its done please close firefox and run the following command and try to reproduce the issue please
[08:53] <gnomefreak> command: MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 firefox
[08:54] <gnomefreak> ill go for smoke let me know wha tyou find
[08:57] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: accidently deleted the old profile
[08:57] <Stecchino> anyway I can recover?
[08:58] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: did you move it to trash or use rm -rf
[08:58] <Stecchino> rm ofcourse :(
[08:58] <Stecchino> -Rf no less
[08:58] <gnomefreak> no you cant that i know of if someone has a secret please let me know as i have rm'ed things i needed beofre
[08:58] <gnomefreak> before
[09:01] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: ok i updated the bug report with instrtuctions for user to try the command than try new profile
[09:02] <toscalix> Riddell yes we do in 300 schools aprox
[09:02] <gnomefreak> not much more i can do without more info. but if it is a profile issue (did you install gutsy cleanly or upgrade from what version?
[09:04] <Stecchino> gnomefreak: upgraded from feisty
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Stecchino: figured ok ty
[09:12] <nixternal> wow, I wonder what people say about when I am not here :)
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nixternal: you dont want to know ;)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> nixternal: knowing too much doesnt make anyone smarter it make everyone else come up with more ideas on what to say about a person :)
[09:14] <nixternal> true
[09:14] <nixternal> kwwii: do you guys have an agenda for the art meeting? also, #ubuntu-meeting for the location?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> ok im testing beta god i hope this works
[09:19] <kwwii> nixternal: I am putting an agenda together, should be done by tomorrow
[09:19] <kwwii> nixternal: yes, ubuntu-meeting would be the most appropriate I think
[09:20] <kwwii> nixternal: how can I tell if there is another meeting already planned in that channel?
[09:21] <nixternal> OK, the channel and time is good
[09:21] <nixternal> there is another meeting during that time, but in a different channel
[09:21] <nixternal> where are you going to put the agenda so I can link to it?
[09:25] <kwwii> I'll post it on the wiki and send it as an email to the list as well
[09:26] <kwwii> I'll ping you and send you an email as well once I have it ready
[09:26] <kwwii> probably sometime tomorrow
[09:28] <nixternal> roger...I am adding it to the list now
[09:29] <kwwii> sweet...thanks a lot - I owe you a beer
[09:34] <jjesse> mmm beer
[09:34] <jjesse> nixternal you coming to UDS yet? or still waiting on the government?
[09:38] <nixternal> still waiting...I am heading to Michigan for the weekend though for my grannies funeral...are you around this weekend?
[09:38] <nixternal> I was thinking that if I was able to break away a bit from the family, we could meet up
[09:39] <jjesse> nixternal: i might be but i'm getting to head out on the road for like 5 weeks straight so don't know what the wife has planned for me
[09:39] <nixternal> ahh, OK...if I get some time, I will call you and we can play it by ear
[09:39] <jjesse> cool
[09:39] <jjesse> i have 2 confrences this month, plus trying to do my consulting work makes october a pain in the butt
[09:40] <nixternal> sounds like fun :)
[09:40] <jjesse> yeah 5 weeks on the road :(
[09:43] <jjesse> ok heading home from work be back later
[09:50] <yuriy> ok now i feel dirty
[09:59] <jeroenvrp> I'm going to upgrade feisty to the beta, hopefully the problems I reported are now solved
[10:01] <jeroenvrp> I will keep you posted
[10:03] <jeroenvrp> 1. Bug #139319 can be closed
[10:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139319 in update-manager "[kde]  Update-manager (from Feisty to Gutsy) crashed because of tempdir permissions" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139319
[10:11] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Mono?
[10:12] <yuriy> yup, riddell's little program
[10:14] <Riddell> yuriy: did it work?
[10:16] <yuriy> yup
[10:16] <yuriy> i just had to install your qyoto package again after i installed mono and libs
[10:17] <Riddell> yuriy: did you install the second one I gave you?
[10:18] <yuriy> yeah, i thought it was the same one and you had thought i missed it the first time?
[10:18] <Riddell> second one was i386.deb (first was all.deb)
[10:19] <yuriy> yeah i see now
[10:19] <joejaxx> Good Afternoon All
[10:20] <Riddell> hi joejaxx
[10:21] <Riddell> yuriy: also the second one should have all necessary dependencies, does it look like it does to you?
[10:22] <yuriy> hmm the gdebi/kde interface should display that information btw imo...
[10:23] <Riddell> poke mhb :)
[10:24] <yuriy> does it not use the same details thing as adept?
[10:25] <Riddell> no, it's unrelated
[10:25] <yuriy> hmm maybe it should? or more like, adept should maybe use this one
[10:25] <yuriy> anyway, it does depend on the package i had to install
[10:27] <Riddell> groovy
[10:35] <jeroenvrp> the update manager just dissapeared
[10:35] <jeroenvrp> after downloading
[10:36] <jeroenvrp> no crash report or what so ever
[10:36] <Riddell> anything bad at the end of /var/log/dist-upgrade/* ?
[10:36] <jeroenvrp> before it dissapeared it didn't respond
[10:36] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: lets see
[10:37] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: which file?
[10:37] <Riddell> any of them
[10:37] <jeroenvrp> ok
[10:37] <jeroenvrp> the apt.log seems to report a OSError: [Errno 12] 
[10:38] <jeroenvrp> no memory
[10:38] <Riddell> oh, you don't have feisty-proposed enabled?
[10:38] <jeroenvrp> main.log: same error
[10:39] <jeroenvrp> and
[10:39] <jeroenvrp> 2007-09-25 22:31:11,403 ERROR failed to import apport python module, can't report bug: No module named python_hook
[10:39] <jeroenvrp> main_pre_req.log doesnt seems to have errors
[10:40] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: in feisty you mean? if yes, yes
[10:40] <Riddell> apt-cache policy konsole  ?
[10:41] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: do you need the version numbert?
[10:41] <Riddell> you need   4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.3
[10:41] <jeroenvrp>      4:3.5.7-1ubuntu23 0
[10:41] <jeroenvrp>         500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[10:41] <jeroenvrp>  *** 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1 0
[10:41] <jeroenvrp>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:41] <jeroenvrp> well I have 3.5.7 as you can see4
[10:42] <jeroenvrp> so 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[10:42] <jeroenvrp> still waiting to upgrade 1029 packages
[10:43] <Riddell> oh, meh
[10:43] <Riddell> I need to compile a 3.5.7 version
[10:44] <jeroenvrp> ok that seems indeed importand
[10:44] <jeroenvrp> how can I continue right now?
[10:45] <jeroenvrp> should I try to relaunch the update
[10:46] <Riddell> install this first http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9505836/konsole_3.5.6-0ubuntu20.4_i386.deb
[10:46] <jeroenvrp> ok
[10:46] <jeroenvrp> must I force it?
[10:46] <Riddell> dpkg --install should work
[10:48] <jeroenvrp> ok lets do a version upgrade again
[10:48] <jeroenvrp> allthough the sources.list is still a gutsy one
[10:50] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: again is dissepears
[10:50] <jeroenvrp> again out of memory
[10:51] <Riddell> how much memory do you have?
[10:51] <jeroenvrp> 1 GB
[10:51] <Riddell> plenty
[10:52] <Riddell> how are you starting the upgrader?
[10:52] <jeroenvrp> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[10:52] <jeroenvrp> using the alt+f2
[10:52] <jeroenvrp> oeps
[10:53] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: sorry I pushed the wrong button :-)
[10:53] <Riddell> what did you push?
[10:53] <Mez_> hmm, I have found a bug in kate, but can only seem to reproduce it on my work machine... any ideas on ways to get info about wahts happening (basically, when I select something, and then change my mind and select something else, the original selection still looks like its selected (though if you scroll, or something, then it doesnt show it as selected, and it doesnt act as if it is, it's just a display thing really)
[10:53] <jeroenvrp> no no it was a konversation shortcut > offopic
[10:54] <Riddell> davmor2: new CDs are up by the way
[10:55] <davmor2> Riddell: yes thanks resyncing again :P
[10:55] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: try this one http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9474194/konsole_3.5.6-0ubuntu20.3_i386.deb
[10:55] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: should I try it via the command line apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:55] <davmor2> I think heno has taken on 32bit so I'm taking 64bit
[10:55] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok
[10:57] <jeroenvrp> trying again
[10:58] <DaSkreech> Mez: You can replicate this on all docs?
[10:59] <Mez> DaSkreech, my work machine, yes
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Home machine not so much?
[10:59] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: this seems to start the actual upgrade
[10:59] <jeroenvrp> I can show the terminal
[10:59] <jeroenvrp> and indeed its installing ;-)
[11:00] <Mez> DaSkreech, cant replicate it at home
[11:00] <Mez> think it might be something to do with the dual head at work, fglrx, and xinerama
[11:00] <DaSkreech> Mez: Does it do it in Kwrite ?
[11:01] <Mez> havent tried kwrite, I like kate too much
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Mez: Me too (rest it's bones in KDE4) but this is for testing purposes
[11:02] <Mez> DaSkreech, indeed, I'll check tomorrow when back at work :D
[11:02] <Mez> hehe
[11:02] <Mez> I'm the only one at work with a Linux machine... the others are all using XP/Vista
[11:02] <Mez> hehe, one of them loved kate when I was using it... he loved that I had three documents on screen, and the document list down the side!)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Mez: did you show him pretty syntax highlighting?
[11:04] <Mez> it was on by default
[11:05] <Mez> I did however annoy everyone at work, by submitting changes to svn in utf-8 instead of cp-1252
[11:06] <Mez> I've had to setup kate to look at php files as cp-1252 not utf8 (only changes the copyright symbol!)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> Mez: You didn't make a case for UTF?
[11:10] <Mez> I did, and they'er pushing for utf8 - but trac doesnt like it, and well.. it'll eb done eventually... no need to screw everyone up for now :D
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Mez: Disruptive technologies!!!
[11:11] <Mez> ?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> What's up with Rideout?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Mez: Screwing things up for everyone :)
[11:11] <Mez> lol
[11:11] <Mez> ooh, what a pretty line of ruby
[11:11] <Mez> `sed -e "s/\`awk -F \" '/([0-9] \.)+[0-9] -dev/ {print $2}'\`/#{version}/" main.cpp | sponge main.cpp`
[11:13] <DaSkreech> !info spinge
[11:13] <ubotu> Package spinge does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:13] <DaSkreech> !info sponge
[11:13] <ubotu> Package sponge does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Hm
[11:14] <DaSkreech> What's sponge?
[11:14] <stdin> - sponge: soak up standard input and write to a file
[11:15] <stdin> must be like tee
[11:15] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: it installed like 25 packages, than the system was de-facto unusable for 5 min and the update manager disepeared again
[11:15] <DaSkreech> But .. more gentle?
[11:15] <davmor2> Riddell: you about still?
[11:15] <jeroenvrp> main.log: OSError: [Errno 12]  Kan geen geheugen meer reserveren
[11:15] <stdin> maybe it uses a buffer? who knows
[11:15] <jeroenvrp> that means can't allocate memory
[11:15] <jeroenvrp> anymore
[11:15] <jeroenvrp> same as before
[11:16] <DaSkreech> stdin: I would guess Mez would it's his statement
[11:16] <jeroenvrp> Error in sys.excepthook:
[11:17] <Mez> stdin, if you cat bla > bla, then it doesnt read anything, as > wipes the file before the read operation starts, sponge soaks it up, then outputs it :D
[11:18] <stdin> Mez: ahh, I get it :)
[11:20] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: maybe the medibuntu in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[11:20] <jeroenvrp> ?
[11:20] <Mez> sponge  reads  standard  input and writes it out to the specified file.
[11:20] <Mez>        Unlike a shell redirect, sponge soaks up all its input  before  opening
[11:20] <Mez>        the  output file. This allows for constructing pipelines that read from
[11:20] <Mez>        and write to the same file.
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Right
[11:23] <DaSkreech> sponge
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Mez: So it needs a EOF first?
[11:24] <Mez> yep
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Is there a mem limit to it?
[11:26] <stdin> probably a physical limit to the amount of data that can be stored in RAM
[11:27] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[11:29] <davmor2> 2 things there aren't going to be anymore cd's are there?  Also how do you get ubotu to report bugs on testing channel it doesn't seem to anymore :(
[11:29] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: again a few packages, consuming all memory and cpu and a crash, withou crash report again
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor2: I certainly hope not, but of course it depends on whether we find any bugs
[11:30] <jeroenvrp> same errors
[11:30] <Riddell> I don't know anything about ubotu
[11:30] <davmor2> damn
[11:31] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I think I'm out of ideas for tonight, an upgrade from straight feisty doesn't have memory problems any more and I'll try and test 3.5.7 tomorrow
[11:31] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok, than I update via the command line
[11:31] <jeroenvrp> do you want the traceback?
[11:31] <davmor2> Riddell: no no bugs here "Honest Gov'ner"
[11:31] <jeroenvrp> or should I report a bug
[11:31] <davmor2> :P :)
[11:32] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: is there one?
[11:32] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: pastebin?
[11:32] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: at the end of main.log, before the memory error
[11:32] <jeroenvrp> allocation error
[11:32] <jeroenvrp> ok
[11:32] <jeroenvrp> 1 moment
[11:33] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: the complete main.log?
[11:33] <Riddell> naw, just the last bit
[11:35] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/437/
[11:35] <Riddell> yeah, that's the memory one
[11:35] <Riddell> which should be fixed by that konsole package
[11:36] <Riddell> ho hum
[11:37] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: oh well, hopefully the 3.5.7 konsolde will fix that
[11:37] <Riddell> hope so
[11:37] <jeroenvrp> meanwhile I'm stuck in the middle of the process and I will continue using the commandline
[11:37] <ScottK> Well it certainly fixed the test script crashing on my box.
[11:37] <Riddell> good luck
[11:37] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[11:37] <ScottK> jeroenvrp: How much RAM + Swap does your box have?
[11:37] <jeroenvrp> I suppose apt-get install --dist-upgrade
[11:38] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: 1 GB RAM
[11:38] <ScottK> OK.  That's what the one I had that worked with the test script has.
[11:38] <jeroenvrp> swap, I dont know, 800 k or something
[11:40] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: swap 768 KB
[11:40] <jeroenvrp> 948 KB RAM
[11:41] <ScottK> Is that right, less than 1MB of RAM?
[11:41] <jeroenvrp> oeps
[11:41] <jeroenvrp> MB  :-)
[11:42] <ScottK> OK
[11:42] <ScottK> Hmmm
[11:42] <FrankH> hello. question about installing kde4. do i add export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib, etc. to ~/.bash_profile?
[11:42] <ScottK> Did you try the test script (gd-test.py in the bug)?
[11:42] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: not that I am aware off
[11:43] <ScottK> OK.
[11:43] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, I'm upgrading now with apt-get
[11:47] <Riddell> FrankH: if you want
[11:49] <Riddell> joejaxx: did you have a KDE 4 question?
[11:50] <FrankH> Riddell:  i think that i followed the the instructions on the kubuntu site for running kde4, but apps like konqueror, etc. appear the same.
[11:51] <Riddell> FrankH: what's the output of `which konqueror`
[11:53] <FrankH> Riddell: nm, plasma is working correctly.
[11:53] <Riddell> that'll be a first :)
[11:53] <FrankH> Riddell: sorta
[12:15] <FrankH> i'd like to write a widget in Qt to display the astronomy picture of the day in it. there is no rss feed for the site. do any of you know of a good how-to for html stripping (or whatever i'll need to know to get this to work)?
[12:15] <Riddell> FrankH: this isn't a channel for developing on kubuntu, #kde-devel for that, but it sounds like a job for python or perl
[12:17] <Riddell> and of course qt has great python bindings if you want to stick to one language only
[12:17] <Tm_T> :)
[12:17] <FrankH> Riddell:  thanks. will try over there.
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Riddell: This isn't a channel for Kubuntu development?
[12:21] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: on
[12:21] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: development on kubuntu != development for kubuntu
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Ah.
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Sorry I thought that outside of MS that was obvious
[12:22] <Tm_T> heh
[12:22] <jeroenvrp> like development for the road or on the road :-)
[12:22] <DaSkreech> jeroenvrp: But that's reveresed :)
[12:22] <jeroenvrp> indeed :-)
[12:22] <jeroenvrp> kubuntu=the road
[12:23] <DaSkreech> TO KDE4!
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Sorry about that
[12:23] <Tm_T> haha
[12:25] <coreymon77> ...
[12:25] <coreymon77> no comment...
[12:27] <jeroenvrp> upgrade complete
[12:27] <jeroenvrp> see you later after reboot
[12:37] <allee> Riddell: 1st meeting of the 'fai team'.  I use here fai to deploy the kubuntu laptop/desktops at work
[12:37] <jeroenvrp> so all starts well
[12:37] <jeroenvrp> one thing I don't see, is a gutsy-splashscreen
[12:40] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: you'll need to delete you're cache from ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash
[12:40] <Riddell> I'm still waiting on someone to write a patch for that
[12:41] <jeroenvrp> ok thanks :-)