[12:46] <dudeicles> well the drives didn't mount
[12:47] <dudeicles> I think it's becasue of my folder rights for them
[12:47] <dudeicles> how do I cahnge that?
[12:47] <dudeicles> man i'm typo king today
[12:47] <dudeicles> lol
[01:08] <Kachna> what a command is to format a partition to ext3 ?:/
[01:09] <dappermuis> mkfs.ext3
[01:09] <dappermuis> though i wouldn't advise you do it if you're not 100% sure of what you're doing
[01:11] <Kachna> well,i made a full backup
[01:12] <Kachna> and now wanna convert a partition from fat32 to ext3, so i should "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda5"?
[01:12] <stdin> "man mke2fs" will help
[01:12] <dappermuis> Kachna, that looks about right, but do what stdin said and check the manual
[01:12] <Kachna> just reading man mkfs
[01:13] <Kachna> k thx guys
[01:13] <dappermuis> np
[01:16] <Kachna> k done :-)
[01:17] <dappermuis> everything run smoothly?
[01:17] <Kachna> yep
[01:17] <parsnip> hi all
[01:17] <dappermuis> lo parsnip
[01:18] <parsnip> is there any way to add up the HDD space usage of a particualr file extension in a folder
[01:18] <guest83174837284> anyone know how to repeat video on mplayer?
[01:18] <parsnip> lo dappermuis
[01:18] <kkathman> guest83174837284:  click the play button
[01:18] <stdin> guest83174837284: "-loop 0"
[01:19] <dappermuis> parsnip, by that you mean find out how much space is used by a certain filetype?
[01:19] <parsnip> dappermuis: yes
[01:19] <parsnip> dappermuis: png to be precise
[01:20] <dappermuis> parsnip: hmm...not too sure, filelight might have that feature - dunno though
[01:20] <parsnip> dappermuis: i'll start looking there
[01:20] <dappermuis> :)
[01:20] <BluesKaj> pngs are small pics usually of application icons
[01:20] <parsnip> dappermuis: cheers man
[01:21] <dappermuis> parsnip: :)
[01:21] <parsnip> dappermuis: just finished my lates project, add a pic of ALL my albums in the albums folder so that i can make the folder look like the album ini konqueror
[01:23] <diskonnected> hi people
[01:23] <dudeicles> hi
[01:23] <diskonnected> can somebody help me figure out how to do the mount command so i can mount a windows partition as RWX for all users?
[01:24] <diskonnected> i tried to do it in system settings but it doesnt let me write to it; and i can only view the files as root for some reason
[01:25] <stdin> diskonnected: you need to install "ntfs-3g" to write to ntfs
[01:25] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | diskonnected
[01:25] <ubotu> diskonnected: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:25] <diskonnected> im pretty sure i did install that
[01:25] <diskonnected> i read that somewhere yesterday
[01:25] <stdin> and you need to use ntfs-3g as the tyoe when mounting
[01:25] <parsnip> dappermuis: http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/shadoweater/?action=view&current=screen.png
[01:25] <stdin> type*
[01:25] <diskonnected> hmm
[01:25] <diskonnected> ok i shall try that..but will that fix the root access problem also?
[01:26] <stdin> diskonnected: something like "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /windows -o umask=0000"
[01:26] <diskonnected> thats what i type to mount drives?
[01:27] <stdin> diskonnected: something like that yeah, you have to replace "/dev/sda1" and "/windows" to what your using
[01:27] <stdin> diskonnected: the "umask=0000" is the important part as permissions go, it sets all uses to full access
[01:28] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: working on your laptop? :p
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> no, desktop
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> laptop's connected though, and apparently with an orphaned screen session...
[01:28] <stdin> joined when _Working did
[01:29] <TameLion> Daisuke = ex-UKC?
[01:29] <diskonnected> Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean. Choose one action:
[01:29] <diskonnected>    Boot Windows and shutdown it cleanly, or if you have a removable
[01:29] <diskonnected>    device then click the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> eh?
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | diskonnected
[01:29] <ubotu> diskonnected: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:29] <diskonnected>    taskbar notification area before disconnecting it.
[01:29] <diskonnected> Or
[01:29] <diskonnected>    Run ntfsfix version 1.13.1 on Linux unless you have Vista.
[01:29] <diskonnected> Or
[01:29] <diskonnected>    Mount the NTFS volume with the 'ro' option in read-only mode.
[01:29] <diskonnected> thats what it said stdin
[01:29] <denise> hi i just got amarok and i have my music playing but dont know how to random play
[01:29] <diskonnected> sorry about that
[01:30] <TameLion> Daisuke: nm.. thought I recognised your nick
[01:30] <stdin> denise: Mode > Random  and pick the type
[01:30] <diskonnected> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38502/
[01:30] <denise> whrees mode
[01:31] <stdin> diskonnected: you either need to run "ntfsfix" on the partition or, if that still doesn't work, use windows to scan the disk
[01:31] <denise> its off
[01:31] <stdin> denise: next to Playlist and before Tools
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> here's a question... say i have a massive music collection and i'm using amarok to reorganize things.  it does a great job, but leaves orphaned empty directories all over the place
[01:31] <denise> i found it but its shadded
[01:31] <diskonnected> i deleted windows; the drive im trying to mount was just for storage..
[01:31] <blackneo> hi all
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> is there an easyish way to find all empty subfolders and delete them?
[01:31] <diskonnected> ill get ntfsfix tho
[01:32] <blackneo> hi all!
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> and i have a teensy case of the munchies, brb
[01:32] <blackneo> diskonnected, im sure yo need to restart in windowd 2 times
[01:32] <stdin> diskonnected: if you deleted windows, copy everything off it and reformat it as ext3 or FAT32 then copy everything back. NTFS support still isn't 100%
[01:33] <TameLion> denise: you can't select 'tracks' or 'albums'?
[01:33] <blackneo> ntfsfix dont work fine
[01:33] <denise> no in mode the play modes are shadded
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  no takers
[01:33] <denise> cant click them
[01:34] <denise> i made a play list
[01:35] <blackneo> =)
[01:35] <TameLion> hmm.. you should be able to select random even if you're not playing anything
[01:36] <denise> oh its playing
[01:36] <blackneo> diskonected?
[01:36] <blackneo> try to -o force the mount for backup then format the drive in ext3
[01:37] <TameLion> denise: which version of amarok?
[01:37] <denise> its playing them one by one
[01:37] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke-Ido- should be able to do that in just about any scripting language. I'm sure you can do it in bash script, but I don't know it well enough to help
[01:37] <denise> the old one
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: that's what i figured, but i don't know any well enough either :)
[01:37] <denise> sorry came from using windows xp
[01:38] <rose> hey everyone
[01:38] <TameLion> denise: help -> about amarok
[01:38] <blackneo> whats wrong denise?
[01:38] <denise> ok
[01:38] <denise> i just got amarok because my brother has it and its not doing ramdom play
[01:39] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: erm, "find /path/to/search -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} +"  all gone :)
[01:39] <denise> i never tryed the help thing
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> ...really
[01:39] <blackneo> menu mode/random
[01:39] <denise> maby that will help
[01:40] <TameLion> blackneo: her options are 'greyed out' ..?
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: you have to be kidding me.
[01:40] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: that finds directories that are empty and removes them, and "rmdir" will only remove empty directories just to be sure
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> once again, i've managed to make something easy into something complex :)
[01:40] <blackneo> O_o options grey?
[01:40] <blackneo> lol =)
[01:40] <denise> ok my brother just came on line i will talk to him
[01:40] <denise> see if he can help too
[01:41] <stdin> Daisuke-Ido: there's probably an "easy" way with a GUI, but that the way I use :p
[01:41] <blackneo> maybe config files corrupted
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: i consider what you just mentioned to be the "easy" way
[01:41] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: even better :)
[01:41] <blackneo> try to apt-get purge amarok then reinstall sudo apt-get install amarok
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be great to put in a maintenance script to be run once in a while
[01:42] <denise> my brothers better at computers then me hes on the mailing list to awser questions
[01:42] <blackneo> mine works fine, i think theres a corrupton on some config files
[01:43] <blackneo> okay denise, good luck! =)
[01:43] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: I run it every now and then, I'm always making tmp/temp/test etc directories and forget all about them
[01:43] <TameLion> time for me to sleep.. g'nite all o/
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i already got rid of extraneous images and other files hanging out on the music drive
[01:44] <blackneo> bye all!
[01:44] <blackneo> im going to sleep
[01:44] <blackneo> ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> odd
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it seems that these 'empty' directories weren't.
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> just contain a .directory file
[01:47] <stdin> "find /path/ -type f -name ".directory" -exec rm {} \;" will take care of those, they are used to store information about the directory, like the icon and stuff
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that did it quick
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> yay, i'm back down to just two of me :D
[01:48] <Biovore> thats way to many of you :-P
[01:50] <BluesKaj> don't forget the anime character Daisuke_Ido got his nic from , so there are 2 of you anyway :)
[01:51] <hydrogen> stdin: -delete is much nicer an arguement to find
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> same, obviously :)
[01:51] <ElecNinja> Gurren Lagann ftw
[01:52] <stdin> hydrogen: -exec gives finer control
[01:52] <hydrogen> stdin: which you don't need for what you are doing.
[01:52] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a matter of good practice
[01:53] <hydrogen> thats not good practice
[01:53] <hydrogen> spawning a zillion subshells
[01:53] <hydrogen> or processes
[01:53] <hydrogen> is not good practice
[01:53] <stdin> then use the + at the end, 1 command :)
[01:53] <hydrogen> right.
[01:53] <hydrogen> but -delete is a better option
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> + for you
[01:53] <stdin> why?
[01:53] <hydrogen> because it doesn't spawn an external process at all
[01:53] <Daisuke_Ido> don't make others' minds up for them
[01:54] <stdin> hydrogen: how do you know? it may just call rm
[01:54] <hydrogen> stdin: its also a whole lot clearer as to what its going to do
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> exec rm
[01:54] <Daisuke_Ido> that's pretty clear
[01:54] <hydrogen> exec rm {} +
[01:54] <hydrogen> is a whole lot of foo that is find specific
[01:55] <hydrogen> where -delete is pretty obvious
[01:55] <stdin> to each his (or her) own :)
[01:55] <hydrogen> either way, -exec rm {} \; is most likely the wrong way, -exec rm {} + or -delete are probablyh about equal
[01:56] <stdin> there is no "wrong" way, just not the way you'd do it
[01:56] <hydrogen> fine
[01:56] <hydrogen> is probably the less good way
[01:56] <hydrogen> now theres proper english
[01:56] <hydrogen> !
[01:57] <stdin> but you know for sure that -delete doesn't just call rm?
[01:57] <hydrogen> no
[01:57] <hydrogen> which is why I said rm {} + and -delete are probably about equal
[01:57] <stdin> but -delete would be per file
[02:04] <hydrogen> hm
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i'm getting somewhere
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> if i can get my music into some semblance of organization, i'll be happy
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> and it will be easier to back up, too.
[02:05] <navets> how can you convert a mp3 file to a wma file?
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> better question: why would you want to?
[02:05] <mayeco> lool he is right
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but if you must, soundkonverter will do it (if you have the right codecs)
[02:06] <navets> i need to do it for a alarm when I am using the kontact calendar
[02:07] <stdin> and kontact only takes wma's now? wow
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> the kontact calendar will take a wma, but not an mp3?
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> sir, i'm afraid i'm going to have to call shenanigans
[02:07] <navets> it wont take any of my mp3 files
[02:07] <navets> doesn't even see them
[02:08] <stdin> if it won't take mp3 then there's no chance it'll play wma
[02:08] <navets> well here is what the filter says it should take
[02:08] <navets> Wav Files\n*.mp3|MP3 files\n*.*|All files
[02:08] <navets> but i dont know why it wont take my mp3 files
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have mp3 playback installed?  codecs and whatnot?
[02:09] <navets> Yes, I listen to mp3 songs through amarok
[02:09] <stdin> navets: well done!! you've found a bug. congratulations :)
[02:10] <navets> haha noooo not a bug
[02:10] <stdin> navets: seems to be a malformed filter line
[02:10] <navets> any way to fix it
[02:10] <navets> or report it
[02:11] <stdin> you should report it yes, but you can just type in the name of the mp3 instead of clicking it
[02:11] <stdin> it should give a completion list too, so you don't have to type blind
[02:13] <navets> i just erased the filter
[02:13] <navets> it fixed the trick
[02:13] <stdin> navets: file a bug here tho https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+filebug
[02:13] <navets> ok
[02:14] <stdin> make sure to state the version of kubuntu, kde and kontact. all that stuff bug fixers love :p
[02:15] <kkathman> sure wish the devs would fix that compizcore versioning error - tired of looking and seeing I have "one update" lol
[02:15] <kkathman> course I guess they got other things to do
[02:16] <Jucato> bug??!?! where!?!
[02:17] <stdin> in kdepim (kontact)
[02:17] <ElecNinja> How do you change the settings for programs so that it uses the Open Sound System instead of Alsa?
[02:17] <kkathman> ElecNinja:  you dont want to
[02:17] <kkathman> OSS has been deprecated
[02:17] <stdin> Jucato: the file filter for an audio reminder is set to "Wav Files\n*.mp3|MP3 files\n*.*|All files"  and the "\n" are in the filter not added by me :)
[02:18] <Jucato> System Settings -> Sound System I think
[02:18] <Jucato> stdin: ooh let me see
[02:18] <Jucato> korganizer?
[02:18] <ElecNinja> Well, Alsa doesn't work on mine for some reason
[02:18] <ElecNinja> It works fine in the beginning, but then it just stops working.
[02:18] <kkathman> ElecNinja:  honestly I'd research and make it work
[02:18] <Jucato> stdin: hahah! that's funny
[02:18] <ElecNinja> I'll see then.
[02:18] <kkathman> ElecNinja:  could be you dont have your sound card as dev 0
[02:19] <ElecNinja> And to check that?
[02:19] <kkathman> ElecNinja:  I forgot what I did, but I had the same problem - its a cli command that sets your sound card to the default 0
[02:20] <Jucato> stdin, navets: reported in KDE already http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146648
[02:22] <ElecNinja> So do you have any recollection of the commands? Or some info?
[02:22] <cute_bettong> is there a way to get amarok to use something other than xine?
[02:23] <cute_bettong> it conflicts with a program i use and makes it so amarok cannot find any audio drivers becasue there in use
[02:23] <Ch1ppy> hey, I need a way to force my box to renew it's DHCP lease, even though the current lease is technically valid... can anyone help me out there?
[02:24] <Chandler_> I'm having a problem installing baghira from Adept. I tried compiling from sources, but I'm an absolute newb to linux in general and when i got a compile error, I'm pretty much lost at what I should do
[02:24] <Chandler_> can anyone help me please?
[02:25] <kkathman> Chandler_:  install from repos - much easier :)
[02:25] <dudeicles> !nvidia
[02:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <Chandler_> I tried it won't show up.
[02:25] <Chandler_> it says it's installed but, I dont' know where to go after that
[02:25] <Jucato> Chandler_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Style
[02:26] <Jucato> then Window Decoration also, I think
[02:26] <Jucato> that's where you should go after installing Baghira
[02:26] <kkathman> Chandler_:  sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[02:26] <kkathman> or aptitude whichever pleases you
[02:26] <Chandler_> Jucato: Thanks ^_^
[02:27] <kkathman> ohh he cant see it once installed - oops I misunderstoof
[02:27] <kkathman> stood
[02:27] <Jucato> :)
[02:27] <kkathman> thought he might couldnt find it in the repos
[02:29] <dudeicles> !resolution
[02:29] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:30] <Ch1ppy> hey, I have opera set as my default browser, but I'd like it so that if I clicko n a link it opens said link in a new tab -- is this possibe?
[02:31] <kkathman> Chippy shure - you need to set it that way in Opera first
[02:31] <kkathman> then I think you can just right click on the link and it will ask to open in the default browser
[02:32] <mefisto__> does anyone use kalarm or have it installed?
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> kkathman: any idea where that preference is?  I couldn't find it :S
[02:32] <kkathman> Chippy hold on a sec I'll get it
[02:32] <Ch1ppy> kkathman: awesome, thanks a million
[02:33] <kkathman> Chippy  I think tools - preferences - advanced
[02:34] <Ch1ppy> kkathman: I've looked all over that, still no luck :S
[02:35] <kkathman> I dunno it works for me I just right click and click open link in browser and it goes to Opera and a new tab
[02:35] <Ch1ppy> hm, alright
[02:35] <Ch1ppy> I will look around
[02:35] <Ch1ppy> thanks
[02:35] <kkathman> Chippy you set opera as the default browser right?
[02:35] <Ch1ppy> kkathman: si
[02:36] <kkathman> Chippy what is it doing now?? anything?
[02:37] <mefisto__> can anyone get Kalarm to play mp3 files? I get no sound from mp3s in Kalarm.
[02:38] <ardchoille> Aptitude is nice: sudo aptitude upgrade hold kxdocker kxdocker-data
[02:43] <mefisto__> could someone please try getting Kalarm to play an mp3? let me know if it's working?
[02:46] <stdin> mefisto__: how exactly are you trying to play it?
[02:48] <radius> mefisto__, works on this end - using gutsy though
[02:49] <radius> mefisto__, kalarm 1.4.14 on kde 3.5.7
[02:50] <ardchoille> Wouldn't you have to tell kalarm to play the mp3 via a mp3 player?
[02:50] <radius> nope
[02:50] <ardchoille> Something like "xmms music.mp3" ?
[02:50] <radius> just set an alarm and use the mp3 file
[02:50] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[02:50] <ardchoille> Well, inorder to play mp3's wouldn't he need libxine-extracodecs?
[02:51] <mefisto__> I can play mp3s, it's just Kalarm that won't play them
[03:15] <enjoi1216> hey kkathman are you still in this room
[03:20] <bigdaddy> does anyone here have btnx-config-0.2.0.tar.gz? PLEASE I keep getting a corrupt download
[03:21] <bigdaddy> does anyone here even know what that is?
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> is it in the repos?
[03:22] <bigdaddy> Daisuke - you talking to me? If so, no it is not in any repos that I can find
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> what is it?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> and it could well be corrupt on the site
[03:23] <bigdaddy> It is a GUI for configuring mice
[03:23] <bigdaddy> http://www.ollisalonen.com/btnx/
[03:24] <bigdaddy> I know it is supposed to be easy to do manually. But I am not kidding that I have been up doing this for 24 hours with no luck
[03:24] <bigdaddy> this is my last hope for a mouse that works
[03:26] <Redblade> how do you run a shell script text executable?
[03:28] <Jucato> Redblade: go to the directory where the script is, make sure it's executable, then type "./filename"
[03:29] <atlfalcons866> how can i have kbuntu hibernate itself after a certain amount of time
[03:34] <stdin> atlfalcons866: click on the power manager icon and choose Hibernate from the 1st drop-down list then set a time
[03:34] <atlfalcons866> where is that
[03:35] <Redblade> "cannot stat `/tmp/.divx/include/*.h': No such file or directory" how would I fix that?
[03:35] <stdin> atlfalcons866: you see the battery icon?
[03:35] <atlfalcons866> im running from desktop
[03:36] <stdin> in the system tray
[03:36] <atlfalcons866> what is the app called
[03:37] <stdin> it's started by running guidance-power-manager
[03:38] <atlfalcons866> ok
[03:39] <mefisto__> how do you hibernate from command line?
[03:45] <stdin> mefisto__: I think "/etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" should do it
[03:48] <mefisto__> thanks stdin. there's a few other related scripts there too
[03:49] <stdin> lost of confusing things in there :)
[03:53] <mefisto__> looks mostly related to specific laptop hardware? volume, play buttons, screen brightness, etc
[03:53] <stdin> yeah, acpi = Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[03:54] <Redblade> "cannot stat `/tmp/.divx/include/*.h': No such file or directory" how would I fix that?
[03:55] <stdin> Redblade: helps if you say what that error is actually from, otherwise how can anyone help?
[03:55] <mefisto__> non-existence of files or directories can be fixed by existence of files or directories ;P
[03:56] <Redblade> just trying to install a program
[03:56] <stdin> mmk, maybe ask the people who make it
[03:56] <drif> what's causing applications (when lost focus) to auto-minimize itself into a sole titlebar? bit annoying..
[03:57] <Redblade> cp: cannot stat `/tmp/.divx/include/*.h': No such file or directory
[03:58] <Redblade> that's just what it says
[03:58] <stdin> ask the people who make it, there's no way for anyone to diagnose that
[03:59] <Redblade> ok
[04:01] <morphinex> can anyone recommend a program to do simple image editing?
[04:01] <morphinex> in other words, not the gimp
[04:01] <morphinex> I just need to crop some images and gwenview can't seem to do that
[04:01] <stdin> Krita is the tool for you :)
[04:03] <morphinex> sweet, thanks
[04:03] <Redblade> what about "jre-6u2-linux-i586-rpm.bin" how would I install that?
[04:03] <stdin> you don't. you use the packages from ubuntu
[04:03] <stdin> !java
[04:03] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:04] <morphinex> If ooo 2.3 going to get packaged for ubuntu?
[04:04] <stdin> using 3rd party installs means we don't know what it did and it's very difficult to support
[04:05] <stdin> !info openoffice.org-core gutsy | morphinex
[04:05] <ubotu> morphinex: openoffice.org-core: OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.0~rc1-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 36060 kB, installed size 109848 kB
[04:05] <morphinex> heh
[04:05] <morphinex> But I want it now ;)
[04:05] <morphinex> Actually, I tried to install it following the instructions on some webpage and it seems to have hosed something
[04:05] <stdin> then upgrade to gutsy now :p
[04:05] <morphinex> apt-get is throwing me an error about it
[04:06] <stdin> apt is your friend. if you love it, it will love you back
[04:06] <stdin> ^ random quote of the day ^
[04:07] <morphinex> hah
[04:07] <morphinex> it says...
[04:07] <cute_bettong> is there a way to make amarok use a diffrent engine than xine? o.o
[04:07] <morphinex> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:07] <morphinex>   openoffice.org-onlineupdate: Depends: openoffice.org-core01 but it is not installable
[04:08] <stdin> ugg, remove whatever 3rd part repository you added and do "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-kde"  and hope that fixes it
[04:08] <stdin> if not it get's a bit more complicated
[04:08] <morphinex> actually, I did apt-get -f remove openoffice.org-onlineupdates
[04:08] <morphinex> That fixed it
[04:09] <Redblade> linux would be the best os if it just weren't so hard to install
[04:09] <stdin> people install things from random people and wonder why things break :p
[04:10] <morphinex> I knew exactly why it broke ;)
[04:11] <mefisto__> it's easy to install from repositories
[04:11] <Redblade> what are repositories?
[04:12] <stdin> !repos
[04:12] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:12] <mefisto__> Redblade: ok, that's why you think it's hard to install things
[04:13] <Redblade> nice
[04:13] <Redblade> probably
[04:21] <waltercool> my alt+tab have dissapear... how can i enable it again?
[04:21] <freewillmachine> Hey, guys. I was in here a while ago. I was having, and still am having, a problem locating the sun-java6-jre/bin/whatever package/s
[04:22] <freewillmachine> all my repositories are enabled
[04:22] <freewillmachine> is this a common problem, or is there something specifically wrong with my sources.list file?
[04:22] <freewillmachine> I'm on feisty,
[04:22] <hsystem-x> and yo uare trying to install java?
[04:22] <hsystem-x> and you are* , sorry
[04:23] <stdin> freewillmachine: on amd64?
[04:23] <waltercool> someone know how enable again alt+tab?
[04:24] <stdin> waltercool: do you have window borders?
[04:24] <waltercool> stdin: yes
[04:24] <stdin> waltercool: are you running compiz/beryl?
[04:24] <waltercool> stdin: For now, no
[04:24] <freewillmachine> no, I'm not on 64
[04:24] <mefisto__> freewillmachine: did you type: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin ? or use adept?
[04:25] <freewillmachine> I used apt-get
[04:25] <freewillmachine> should I try adept?
[04:25] <freewillmachine> I've tried before, but it doesn't turn up
[04:25] <stdin> waltercool:  then make sure System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts  has alt-tab set in there
[04:25] <hsystem-x> will do the same, they both synaptic / adept use apt-get
[04:25] <Redblade> do peple use beryl?
[04:25] <stdin> freewillmachine: you're sure you have multiverse enabled ?
[04:26] <freewillmachine> yes, in fact everything is enabled :P
[04:26] <hsystem-x> freewillmachine: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list   make sure the only commented deb are the cdroms...
[04:27] <hsystem-x> then update sources.
[04:27] <waltercool> stdin: Wow... thanks, i have selected KDE with 4...
[04:27] <waltercool> stdin: Many Thanks :)
[04:27] <freewillmachine> I'll try your suggestion, hsystem-x
[04:27] <waltercool> stdin: Maybe someone have changed that in my pc xD
[04:28] <freewillmachine> cdroms?
[04:28] <stdin> waltercool: gremlins at work :p
[04:28] <waltercool> stdin: hahahah :P
[04:28] <stdin> freewillmachine: what package are you searching for, it should be called "sun-java6-jre" for the JRE
[04:29] <freewillmachine> I think I'm looking for the JRE
[04:29] <freewillmachine> yeah, definitely
[04:29] <freewillmachine> and I've had this problem before
[04:29] <freewillmachine> I just can't seem to find the package
[04:29] <stdin> it is there, ubotu can prove it :p
[04:29] <stdin> !info sun-java6-jre
[04:29] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[04:30] <freewillmachine> maybe something wrong with my sources.list?
[04:30] <freewillmachine> everything is commented properly
[04:30] <freewillmachine> all enabled
[04:30] <hsystem-x> check you sources.list as i mentioned before, in the terminal or konsole write kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:30] <stdin> freewillmachine: after you changed the sources.list did you run "sudo apt-get update" to update the package list?
[04:30] <freewillmachine> yeah
[04:31] <freewillmachine> is there somewhere I could get a sort of standard sources.list file for feisty kubuntu?
[04:31] <hsystem-x> then when the file open freewillmachine, check all the lines that start with deb or says deb, commented ones must look like: #deb
[04:31] <freewillmachine> "yeah" as in, I did "sudo apt-get update" and I did open the file with kdesu kate
[04:31] <Redblade> do peple use beryl?
[04:31] <Redblade> or compiz
[04:31] <hsystem-x> be sure that only the first ones, that says cdrom are commented.
[04:31] <stdin> freewillmachine: there should be one in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[04:31] <hsystem-x> the nsave file, update
[04:31] <stdin> Redblade: I'm sure some people do
[04:31] <Redblade> so no one here does?
[04:32] <stdin> !source-o-matic | freewillmachine, or use this
[04:32] <ubotu> freewillmachine, or use this: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:32] <mefisto__> freewillmachine: or if you start adept, then from the adept menu, manage repositories, you can make sure everything you want is enabled.
[04:32] <stdin> Redblade: probably some people here do too
[04:32] <Redblade> well do you use it?
[04:32] <freewillmachine> mefisto - yeah, I've done that
[04:33] <freewillmachine> but sourcomatic looks promising
[04:33] <freewillmachine> and I've opened /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[04:33] <freewillmachine> comparing...
[04:33] <mefisto__> freewillmachine: don't forget to update again after changing sources.list
[04:37] <freewillmachine> maybe something went wrong when I upgraded
[04:37] <freewillmachine> my disc is from dapper
[04:37] <freewillmachine> all you need to do is sudo apt-get update then upgrade then dist-upgrade, or is it more complicated?
[04:38] <freewillmachine> I think it is, and I look very much a fool right now :P
[04:41] <mefisto__> freewillmachine: you also need to cross your fingers
[04:43] <mefisto__> dist-upgrades have been known to be less than trouble-free
[04:47] <jessen> hello
[04:48] <jessen> i have a quick question about akregator -- when i click a link in the feed to take me to an external website in a new tab... is there a way to get the tab to close on a middle click?
[04:49] <jessen> i've configured konqueror to do this, and i thought the browser for akregator was just konqueror...
[04:50] <mefisto__> jessen: I have a question. how did you get konqueror to close tabs on middle-click?
[04:51] <jessen> lets see... http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration
[04:51] <nkayhan__> I'm having a problem with my usb floppy drive.  I think I need to mount it, but don't know how.  Please help.
[04:52] <jessen> you can also edit files in ~/.kde/share/config/whatever
[04:56] <beans> cat /dev/zero > /dev/null
[04:56] <stdin> beans: ??
[04:57] <freewillmachine> Thanks a lot guys
[04:57] <freewillmachine> for the first time ever on kubuntu, I actually got sun-java6-jre
[04:57] <freewillmachine> I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD :P
[04:57] <hsystem-x> nice :)
[04:57] <freewillmachine> see you when I next run into trouble
[04:58] <stdin> enjoy the memory hog that is java :)
[04:58] <Jucato> dont mind stdin :P
[04:58] <stdin> no one ever does :(
[04:59] <Jucato> hehe
[04:59] <stdin> I know what will cheer me up, kwin composite :)
[04:59] <stdin> sooo Kool < the 'K' is for KDE
[05:00] <stdin> the Kool Desktop Environment
[05:00] <Jucato> lol
[05:00] <Zombine> So.... why do I have to hit space after hitting my apostrophe key and how can I turn that off?
[05:00] <Jucato> it's no longer Kool.. it's just K
[05:01] <stdin> bah I say, bah
[05:01] <Zombine> Anyone care to hazard a guess?
[05:02] <Jucato> dead keys
[05:03] <stdin> if they are dead, how do they work? :p
[05:03] <Zombine> Not really... if I hit ' then I can hit certain other keys and get other synmbols, Space gives ' s gives  n gives  etc
[05:03] <Jucato> compose key then
[05:04] <Zombine> How do I disable this?
[05:04] <Jucato> hm.. I don't know the real term. but if the keyboard layout is set to US international, I think that's what happens
[05:04] <Zombine> Ah.  Is there a US without the International I can select in xorg.conf?
[05:05] <stdin> "us" should be that option i guess (as I don't have a US layout)
[05:06] <Jucato> hm.. System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout
[05:06] <Jucato> I hvae keyboard layouts disabled
[05:06] <Zombine> Know where the GNOME equivalent is?
[05:07] <stdin> I think the people in #ubuntu would
[05:07] <Jucato> uh oh :)
[05:07] <Zombine> That would make sense...
[05:09] <Zombine> in xorg.conf, it has these lines:
[05:09] <Zombine> Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[05:09] <Zombine> 	Option		"XkbVariant"	"intl"
[05:09] <Zombine> can I just call xkbvariant an empty string or whatever?
[05:10] <Jucato> just remove the Option XkbVariant
[05:10] <Zombine> Now I reset.
[05:13] <[Relic] > any gfx program with an auto rename function?  digital camera starts with same numbers every time it is cleaned out  :)
[05:13] <Zombine> It it will work nicely and I'll feel good :D
[05:14] <Zombine> or* it will...
[05:14] <Jucato> it will work? haven't tested it?
[05:14] <Zombine> It did in fact.
[05:14] <Zombine> '''''''''''''''''''' ""
[05:14] <Zombine> :D
[05:14] <Jucato> :)
[05:14] <Zombine> Thanks for helping dudes
[05:15] <Jucato> [Relic] : not sure of an autorename, but there's KRename for batch renaming...
[05:16] <Zombine> Well, I'm gonna sleep now.  And tomorrow, god willing I will try to install Wine.
[05:16] <stdin> "sudo apt-get install wine"  done
[05:16] <Zombine> [Relic] : Doesn't the rename command in bash let you do that with some wacky Perl expression?
[05:16] <[Relic] > gwenview you have to keep hitting lots of buttons  :(
[05:16] <Jucato> Zombine: he did mention he needed a graphical app
[05:17] <Zombine> Oh... wasn't paying attention :\
[05:17] <Jucato> [Relic] : there's a batch rename plugin for gwenview if you install kipi-plugins
[05:17] <Jucato> actually it's for gwenview and digikam
[05:17] <[Relic] > when you load the USB link the camera pops up to a gfx window too
[05:17] <[Relic] > Jucato, command line only by the looks of it
[05:17] <Jucato> [Relic] : what is command line only?
[05:18] <[Relic] > it don't work in what pops up you need a shell open
[05:18] <hydrogen> what doesn't work?
[05:18] <Jucato> what does?
[05:19] <[Relic] > rename seems to be shell only can't auto rename from any of the navigation tools like the open in new window gives you
[05:19] <hydrogen> the kipi rename plugin for gwenview on the other hand...
[05:20] <Jucato> hm... KRename... Kipi-plugins for Gwenview/Digikam
[05:20] <Jucato> none of those are command line only
[05:20] <Jucato> er.. none of those are command line apps at all
[05:20] <[Relic] > nothing I can find works in normal directory to directory transfers
[05:23] <[Relic] > guess I should just install wine and use an old ACDSee 3x version to speed this up
[05:24] <Jucato> you have tried krename? or the batch rename *graphical* tool provided by kipi-plugins?
[05:25] <hydrogen> theres also gwenrename
[05:25] <hydrogen> which one would assume is related to gwenview
[05:25] <rance> I need some help with my kubuntu install, its almost brand new 7.04, ive installed vmware, a host of apps, and then started installing alternative codecs for playing things like windows media player files etc... ever since i cant sucessfully play a cd, kaffiene doesnt generate an error message but freaks out and logs me out of my session, and amarok says it cant find the cdplayer
[05:26] <Dr_willis> rance,  this is vmware server you are using?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !fixadept
[05:29] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:30] <rance> Dr_willis: yes, it is vmware server
[05:31] <[Relic] > krename errors out and doesn't rename anything
[05:31] <Dr_willis> rance,  adjust the server settings/virtual machine. where thers no cdrom drive for the vm perhaps.
[05:31] <rance> ok, but vmware doesnt have to be running for my kubuntu audio problem to show.
[05:32] <[Relic] > and the gwenview plugin requires a creation of an album which last time I tried kept fouling up the dates
[05:32] <Dr_willis> rance,  i dont see how vmware really can be  causing the probmlems at all to be honest with ya.
[05:33] <rance> I dont think it is
[05:33] <Dr_willis> rance,  of course i never play audio cd's other then to rip them to disk
[05:33] <rance> I think its the restricted format stuff
[05:33] <Dr_willis> cd audio dosent have any restricted stuff i thought.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> could always isntall all the codecs and so forth and see
[05:34] <rance> lemmy try ripping a cd to hd, and creating a music repository and see if that works
[05:37] <megatog615> Anyone know a tutorial for installing and running KDE4 on Gutsy?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i would say hit google and the gutsy support/forums for that
[05:38] <Dr_willis> given the issues im having with Gutsy at this time.... :) kde4 is way Down my list of things to worry about
[05:38] <rance> ok, I think I found the problem, thaNKS
[05:38] <hydrogen> I'd also say hit the gutsy channel
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Bah! :0 they dont know much in there.. heh heh.. :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> They are all too busy saying 'look at my leet desktop'
[05:41] <megatog615> ...What channel would that be?
[05:41] <Jucato> gutsy = #ubuntu+1
[05:41] <hydrogen> !ubuntu+1
[05:41] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:41] <stdin> megatog615: have you see the topic ?
[05:44] <Jucato> between "see" and "the" :)
[05:44] <hydrogen> oh
[05:44] <hydrogen> i get it!
[05:44] <stdin> "have you see n the topic" ? that makes no sense Jucato
[05:44] <Jucato> I didn't mention inserting a space :)
[05:45] <Paxton> Well I guess it would be best to ask a question here, since I'll probably be using Kubuntu. Although I doubt there's any difference
[05:46] <hydrogen> "have you see nthe topic"
[05:46] <Paxton> Fair enough. I thought it was just a bunch of urls
[05:47] <Paxton> I'll go there.
[05:47] <megatog615> you cant make me do it!
[05:48] <stdin> megatog615:  there, now you have to read it  :)
[05:48] <megatog615> Oh, I've seen that
[05:49] <intelikey> stdin
[05:49] <stdin> see that last link, the one with "KDE 4.0 beta 2" by it
[05:49] <intelikey> megatog615
[05:49] <stdin> intelikey
[05:49] <Jucato> intelikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:50] <intelikey> Jucato
[05:50] <NickPresta> intelikey, where have you been? I havent seen you in days? :)
[05:50] <intelikey> NickPresta hiding out under the mask of _2  ?
[05:51] <NickPresta> intelikey, ah. I wasn't aware you were one in the same.
[05:51] <intelikey> i is.
[05:51] <stdin> anyone with "root@" or "UN-root@" is always intelikey :p
[05:51] <intelikey> just decided to get compiled and become _2   :)
[05:51] <NickPresta> heh.
[05:52] <intelikey> well the UN-root is probably true.  :)
[05:52] <megatog615> intelikey
[05:52] <stdin> ooh, have you seen...
[05:52] <stdin> !rootirc
[05:52] <ubotu> It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad - use !sudo instead
[05:52] <megatog615> Sorry I had to say it back
[05:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:53] <intelikey> actually you can tell which box i'm on, by whether my IRC-USER is set to root or UN-root  heh
[05:53] <hydrogen> so
[05:53] <hydrogen> I was kind of thinking
[05:53] <eean> my friend is in a Hinduism class and her professor sends her Word documents with Sanskirt characters that don't show up
[05:53] <eean> and wtf are you doing here hydrogen
[05:53] <eean> :P
[05:53] <Gazza> love
[05:53] <hydrogen> how much do you think would break if I s/root/owner/ in etc/passwd
[05:53] <Gazza> simple
[05:53] <intelikey> hydrogen isn't that normal ?
[05:53] <Gazza> done
[05:53] <intelikey> :)
[05:53] <eean> anyways, any thoughts on how to install Sanskrit characters?
[05:54] <hydrogen> ttf-devanagari-fonts - Free TrueType fonts for languages using the Devanagari script
[05:54] <hydrogen> matched a search for sanskrit
[05:54] <hydrogen> so its probably a good place to start!
[05:54] <eean> ahh cool :)
[05:54] <intelikey> hydrogen lots would break,  but many things would be unaffected because they don't read $NAME they read $UID
[05:55] <hydrogen> intelikey: mm.. would be an interesting adventure
[05:55] <hydrogen> as people could bruteforce away at my root account all they wanted!
[05:55] <intelikey> already been there.    best fix for brute force on root is  passwd -dl root
[05:56] <stdin> best fix is "/etc/init.d/ssh stop"  ^ that's the 2nd best :)
[05:56] <eean> well I already have devanagari-fonts installed. :| installing ttf-tmuni. I suspect it might be some Microsoft Word crappiness
[05:56] <intelikey> but that's not the security hole on ubuntu systems.   imo    it's the root jr. account that is the security hole.
[05:57] <stdin> but you have to find that account first
[05:57] <intelikey> stdin heh or listen=<$LAN>  in the /etc/ssh/sshd.conf  maybe  :)
[05:58] <eean> lol there's a Sanskrit Ubuntu translation. fucking language geeks.
[05:58] <Jucato> !language | eean
[05:58] <ubotu> eean: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:58] <intelikey> yours wouldn't be stdin would it?    or tarance or tsimpson   or something like that ?
[05:58] <stdin> intelikey: helps if you can spell my name :p
[05:59] <hydrogen> eean: i'd assume that msword doesn't know anything about unicode (as its not a microsoft standard!) so you may have to deal with encoding issues as well
[05:59] <stdin> intelikey: stdin on _this_ box, but not on my outward facing box
[05:59] <eean> well if they don't use unicode for sanskrit being mixed with latin characters, what would they use/
[05:59] <hydrogen> I dunno, I be tits somewhere in the openxml standard though!
[06:00] <intelikey> right.   but the point is that if you irc with your user name   they know what the root jr. account is...
[06:00] <eean> heh
[06:00] <hydrogen> "Encoding as handled as it was in word 3.0"
[06:00] <hydrogen> I dunno eean
[06:00] <stdin> intelikey: true
[06:00] <hydrogen> is it a font issue or is it a kword/ooo-cant-read-it-issue
[06:01] <eean> well they show up as boxes
[06:01] <stdin> intelikey: I always disable my port forward when I have no intention of accessing ssh outside of my lan anyway. helps if the user doesn't make them selfs a target
[06:02] <hydrogen> have you tried the age-old-fallback of importing it to google docs and seeing if it renders properly? :)
[06:02] <intelikey> thus my IRC-USER=root   kinda kills that.   but more than that ssh is only listening to the 192.168.*.*  and the box is nosuid  and the root account is locked.    NO I'M NOT PARANOID !
[06:02] <stdin> what's that behind you!! :p
[06:04] <hydrogen> oh my
[06:04] <CoderForChrist> howdy
[06:04] <intelikey> CoderForChrist what can we do for you?
[06:04] <CoderForChrist> ...is it me?
[06:05] <CoderForChrist> well...nothing at the moment...mainly just here to listen
[06:05] <dsmith_> :/
[06:06] <stdin> isn't OO.o pre-installed in *buntu ?
[06:06] <dsmith_> yea, 2.2
[06:06] <stdin> I think we've found the problem then
[06:07] <dsmith_> i uninstalled 2.2 and attempted to install 2.3
[06:07] <dsmith_> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[06:07] <stdin> uhmumm
[06:08] <stdin> and I'm guessing it didn't go well
[06:08] <dsmith_> dpkg error
[06:08] <dsmith_> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[06:08] <dsmith_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:08] <hydrogen> right
[06:08] <Harrowed> dsmith_: Use the PASTE feature
[06:08] <hydrogen> no don't!
[06:08] <hydrogen> use the nopaste feature
[06:08] <Harrowed> :D
[06:08] <dsmith_> lol
[06:09] <CoderForChrist> lol
[06:09] <dsmith_> http://ftp.sunet.se
[06:09] <hydrogen> anyways
[06:09] <dsmith_> thats why I downloaded it
[06:09] <hydrogen> the problem is
[06:09] <Harrowed> Black Hole Sun.. Wont you come.. And wash away the pain! *lament with me!*
[06:09] <hydrogen> you are trying to install a gutsy deb on feisty
[06:09] <hydrogen> and thats not gonna work
[06:09] <dsmith_> ummm
[06:09] <hydrogen> !enter < hydrogen
[06:09] <dsmith_> oh schnit
[06:09] <stdin> dsmith_: besides the aspect of installing unsupported software = no support for said software, which you know about (or do now). what have you tried to resolve dependencies ?
[06:10] <Harrowed> Gutsy = 'the bomb! :D'
[06:10] <dsmith_> usially if there are dependencies it will tell me and I just add those to my list
[06:10] <dsmith_> never ever have any issues
[06:10] <hydrogen> as in: very-likely-to-xplode-and-forget-that-your-comptuer-has-multiple-processors yes
[06:10] <dsmith_> but what hydrogen says explains to me why
[06:11] <stdin> dpkg is not apt
[06:11] <stdin> dpkg doesn't download dependencies for you, that's why apt was invented
[06:11] <dsmith_> aye
[06:11] <_2> i do wish i could fix my isp....
[06:11] <dsmith_> oh wait
[06:11] <hydrogen> and apt is ugly... thats why aptitude was invented
[06:11] <dsmith_> it did update my headers...
[06:12] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[06:12] <hydrogen> and people are afraid of consoles.. thats why synaptic was invented
[06:12] <stdin> dsmith_: please don't tell me you added a gutsy deb source???
[06:12] <Harrowed> dsmith_: If you used the hose... You did worse then hose it.
[06:12] <hydrogen> and gnome is a piece of word-i-cant-say.. thats why kynatpic through adept was invented
[06:12] <hydrogen> and adept is horrid.. which is why we ar estill using dpkg/apt
[06:12] <hydrogen> theres history for you!
[06:12] <_2> hydrogen don't tell me you run aptitude in interactive mode (ncurses mode)  ???
[06:13] <hydrogen> _2: no no no, it was all a cyclical march to allow me to bash as much as I could
[06:13] <kkathman> hydrogen:  i think you are being a bit negative and too harsh to be honest
[06:13] <dsmith_> stdin: http://cjf.se/wiki/index.php/Applications_for_Linux#OpenOffice  scroll part of the way down to Open Office
[06:13] <dsmith_> thats what I did
[06:13] <hydrogen> 0h my
[06:14] <hydrogen> that explains lots
[06:14] <Harrowed> BBL! Going to brow beat a Computer Store salesman :D
[06:14] <_2> ok.   sorry just notised the and apt is ugly... thats why aptitude was invented <<< and almost fell out.
[06:15] <hydrogen> you should have appreciated the later ones!
[06:15] <_2> yes.
[06:15] <kkathman> and actually that discussion should probably be in offtopic
[06:15] <hydrogen> no way
[06:15] <hydrogen> it was on topic at the time
[06:15] <hydrogen> its just now off topic
[06:15] <stdin> dsmith_: did you follow all the instructions?
[06:15] <hydrogen> as we continue to discuss it
[06:15] <kkathman> maybe you could take it there then :)
[06:15] <dsmith_> down to number 8 yes
[06:16] <kkathman> its an easy shift to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:16] <dsmith_> what I thought was weird was it updated my headers
[06:16] <hydrogen> I'm fairly sure that modern deb's are built with a toolchain a bit newer than the one feisty has
[06:16] <hydrogen> kkathman: i've said all I need to say!
[06:16] <_2> hydrogen and anyone over a mile high is banished from the kingdom !!!
[06:16] <kkathman> good thanks :)
[06:16] <kkathman> _2 no, its just better discussed in the offtopic channel of course ;)
[06:17] <_2> kkathman was a quote from 'allis in wonder land'
[06:17] <hydrogen> speaking of alice in wonderland and offtopic
[06:17] <kkathman> Actually Alice
[06:17] <_2> sorry i should have html tagged it.
[06:17] <hydrogen> I got a spam email with a line from alice in wonderland in it
[06:17] <dsmith_> douglas_ a man after my name
[06:17] <kkathman> and Through the Looking Glass
[06:17] <hydrogen> I was quite impressed
[06:18] <minerale> what's the name of the virtual package that represents the kde desktop in kubuntu ?
[06:18] <hydrogen> kubuntu-desktop
[06:19] <_2> minerale ^   but there is a   kde meta package too
[06:19] <dsmith_> there's 3 levels
[06:19] <hydrogen> hrm
[06:19] <hydrogen> a eewbuntu-desktop is sure to be next!
[06:19] <stdin> well, that's the 1st time kwin's killed X on me
[06:19] <minerale> I have ubuntu, gnome, I would like to have kde available as my gdm option when I login --- kde or kubuntu-desktop -- which one is it?
[06:20] <_2> stdin beta ?
[06:20] <stdin> minerale: kubuntu-desktop
[06:20] <stdin> _2: well, svn actually
[06:20] <_2> alpha
[06:20] <hydrogen> epsilon
[06:20] <stdin> _2: will the compositing effects enabled, it is sweet tho :p
[06:20] <hydrogen> beta alpha gamma - The linux fraternity!
[06:21] <_2> hydrogen we were not speeking geek.
[06:21] <savetheWorld> "BAG"?
[06:21] <_2> or is there an R in that ???
[06:21] <hydrogen> I think it can be spelled either way these days
[06:21] <_2> ah,  ok.
[06:24] <_2> hmmm mike has a remote to control his connection
[06:25] <_2> -:- SignOff mike: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[06:26] <dsmith_> so in unknownly attempting to install gutsy ver. of OO, would that wreck anything?
[06:27] <_2> CoderForChrist i asked eariler,  although i doubt anyone saw it cause my modem reset.   "if your nick has merrit, what language do you code in?"
[06:27] <stdin> those packages you downloaded are poor quality
[06:27] <dsmith_> stdin: ok
[06:27] <stdin> I mean, packages that conflict with themselves??
[06:27] <dsmith_> :)
[06:28] <dsmith_> thats what happened yes
[06:28] <stdin> I didn't install them, just looked at them. I wouldn't want to install them after seeing them
[06:28] <stdin> just remove all openoffice.org* package and install the ones in the repos
[06:29] <dsmith_> thats what I am doing now
[06:29] <stdin> and tell the packages to RTFM :p
[06:29] <dsmith_> heh
[06:29] <_2> i have a totally broken   apt   it seems that  libc6 conflicts with every package that is installed.  and you can't remove libc6 so the only solution is remove all the other packages      do you wish to continue [Y,n] ?
[06:29] <stdin> whoever made those needs to be shot
[06:37] <dsmith_> ok I'm back to square one
[06:37] <dsmith_> thanks for all the assistance
[06:39] <_2> so seriously anyone want to examine the situation with apt and the conflicting libc6  ?      if not that's fine i don't have a lot of interest in fixing that box really...
[06:39] <_2> oh and i should mention it's hoary and thus not supported any more...
[06:39] <dsmith_> heh
[06:39] <dsmith_> wow
[06:39] <kkathman> lol
[06:40] <dsmith_> why so old?
[06:40] <stdin> _2: I'm just wondering, how was libc6 upgraded if it breaks everything?
[06:40] <_2> stdin ah.  with  dpkg -i --upgrade --force-all libc6*.deb     </blushes>
[06:41] <kkathman> ouch
[06:41] <kkathman> automatix special
[06:41] <dsmith_> heh
[06:41] <stdin> _2: well that's not good :p
[06:42] <_2> i know.     everything on that box seems to be working ok, with the exception of apt.
[06:42] <dsmith_> hah
[06:42] <stdin> _2: tried making apt install the right version "apt-get install libc6=the_horay_version" ?
[06:42] <_2> stdin then my sound system will conflict with libc6    ;/
[06:43] <stdin> wow :p
[06:43] <_2> fixing one issue caused another    the thing is  there are no longer any hoary repos to update the rest of the system from.
[06:43] <stdin> ever thought about gentoo ;)
[06:43] <_2> ;)   or  LFS   (:
[06:44] <Jucato> or Windows
[06:44] <_2> you better
[06:44] <kkathman> hehe
[06:46] <_2> i suspose i could do an nfs mount on /var/cache/apt/archives   and upgrade that box to dapper.   i have done a one step upgrade from hoary to dapper before....
[06:47] <_2> or....    hmmmm.   maybe i should do a one step upgrade from hoary to gutsy    i bet that hasn't been tried....
[06:48] <kkathman> why would you want to unless you were just bored or a masochist
[06:48] <kkathman> Im just not one that believes in making work - too much to do already lol
[06:49] <_2> for the novelty of it man.    to do what no one has done befor,    to conqure new worlds   and new civelivaztions.    to....
[06:50] <_2> boldly go where no pinguin has gone before
[06:50] <_2> !
[06:52] <_2> i'll have to do it now.    i'm like a pinguin on a mission.   it just has to be done!
[06:54] <kkathman> psst I think thats penguin :)
[06:54] <kkathman> emperor or gentoo penguin?
[06:54] <stdin> _2: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ ftw
[06:54] <_2> OO
[06:55] <DARKGuy> Hey, anybody knows how can I add my home folder recursively to an mpd playlist? I haven't had success with the filesystem browsers in pympd and gmpc :(
[06:55] <fulat2k> anyone here using swiftfox?
[06:55] <stdin> no, the maintainer is evil so I don't use it
[06:56] <DARKGuy> I would, but I'm on x64 so I use swiftweasel instead
[06:58] <wastedfluid> Isn't kmail bundled with anotehr program default in KDE?
[06:58] <ubuntu> hi guys, how do I tell my ext3 partition not to do an fsck on boot?
[06:58] <_2> stdin does the pool contain the hoary packages ?    i'm still looking,   if it does i can use that and fix me broke apt.
[06:59] <_2> ah it does.  !
[06:59] <_2> stdin KEWL!
[06:59] <_2> ty
[06:59] <kkathman> ubuntu:  you really should let it do that
[06:59] <stdin> _2: it even has warty :p
[07:00] <ubuntu> kkathman: well, it won't let me boot, its gutsy
[07:00] <kkathman> ubuntu:  it does it only like every 50th or 60th time
[07:00] <ubuntu> kkathman: yeah, but its not letting me boot
[07:00] <kkathman> well there could be a reason :)
[07:00] <_2> yeah just was having a little trubble finding the repos lists.  it's there.    updates   security and all...
[07:02] <_2> nice.   i'll use that and update the apt cache     or repos cache   if you will...   that will give   apt the needed information so it can fix the conflict         errr  after i reinstall perl on it.    i think i also removed perl-base    ;/
[07:02] <_2> in fact i'm sure i did...
[07:03] <_2> Jucato wasn't it you that said if i found a hoary mirror     to let you know   ???
[07:04] <Jucato> yep
[07:04] <Jucato> did you?
[07:04] <stdin> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <_2>   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ main restricted universe multiverse
[07:04] <Jucato> hehe kool
[07:04] <Harrowed> Give me a G! Give me a U! Give me a T! Give me an S! Give me a Y! What that spell? So gonna sick the gibbon on you!
[07:04] <Jucato> thanks. I'll give it to the person looking for it
[07:05] <Jucato> _2: that line's missing a hoary/ after .com/
[07:05] <stdin> _2: you forgot the "hoary" in there
[07:05] <_2>   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[07:05] <_2> yeah.
[07:05] <stdin> _2: you should know better
[07:05] <_2> yeah.
[07:05] <stdin> that's it, not text console for a week! :p
[07:05] <_2>   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:05] <_2>   deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[07:06] <Jucato> s/not/no/
[07:06] <stdin> why in the name of all that is Shuttleworth can't I type!!!
[07:06] <_2> lol
[07:06] <kkathman> hehe
[07:06] <_2> stdin  you hurt me.
[07:06] <Jucato> _2: you mean there's even hoary-updates and hoary-security? wow
[07:07] <Harrowed> stdin: For someone who 'can't type' you're doing a good job.. or fair imitation.. with only a few misses :D
[07:07] <_2> Jucato yes indeed
[07:07] <Jucato> how nice of ubuntu to provide this
[07:07] <kkathman> Jucato:  its really updated???
[07:07] <_2> Jucato it's not being updated anymore but does provide the existing patches
[07:07] <kkathman> would think that LTS would be, but thats the extent :)
[07:07] <Jucato> even if it weren't uupdated at least it's there
[07:07] <Jucato> -u
[07:07] <kkathman> ahh ok that I can beliebe
[07:07] <stdin> Harrowed: it takes practice to make silly mistakes like "not" instead of "no" when english is your first language
[07:08] <kkathman> believe (typing)
[07:08] <kkathman> argh
[07:08] <Harrowed> stdin: Takes practice not reverting into neanderthalic expletes (LOL/ROFLMAO/BRB) when you IRC :D
[07:08] <Jucato> punch lines are terribly ruined by typos
[07:08] <kkathman> im still getting used to this new keyboard - its split in the middle and all that
[07:08] <_2> stdin  it's no a mistake when i leave the t off ???
[07:08] <_2> errr Harrowed ^
[07:09] <Jucato> ergonomic
[07:09] <_2> i do actually notice a lot of my "not"'s end up as "no"   and don't know why...
[07:09] <Harrowed> Sadly my favourite keyboard's from M$ :D Natural Keyboard Pro.. It's been reincarnated so many times I have tape on the rubber inside the keys :D
[07:10] <kkathman> Harrowed:  thats what I have I think
[07:10] <Harrowed> Go the Ergo keyboards! :D
[07:10] <kkathman> except mine is the Natural multimedia
[07:10] <kkathman> its taken me a lot to get used to it
[07:10] <Harrowed> kkathman: Ahh.. Beleive it or not, KDE has Keyboard maps for us default :D
[07:10] <kkathman> really??
[07:10] <kkathman> I didnt know that :)
[07:10] <Harrowed> kkathman: Ahuh! :D
[07:11] <wastedfluid> Is SMTP PLAIN a different port other than 25?
[07:11] <kkathman> Ive been just using whatever I defaulted to - seems to work
[07:11] <_2> another very common typo for me is n==h   it's hot hatural to do that i know.
[07:11] <_2> errr khow  ?
[07:12] <kkathman> Harrowed:  do I have to go through the xserver-xorg to set it ?
[07:12] <kkathman> I dont wanna do that :(
[07:12] <Harrowed> kkathman: Nope.. KDE System Settings
[07:12] <kkathman> especially since I have compiz-fusion working :)
[07:13] <kkathman> ahh they dont have mine :(
[07:13] <kkathman> I have the multimedia variant
[07:13] <Harrowed> It's there same as mine.. One sec
[07:13] <kkathman> theres a natural, natural pro
[07:14] <Harrowed> OMG I can't even see it! I saw Multimedia too
[07:14] <_2> IAH!   someone installed windows on that box!
[07:14] <kkathman> mine's the MS Natural Multimedia KBD 1.0A
[07:14] <Harrowed> Wireless Multimedia?
[07:15] <Harrowed> kkathman: Yours the wireless version? If not Natural Keyboard Pro/Internet one _may_ work
[07:16] <kkathman> Nope I dont like wireless versions
[07:16] <Harrowed> kkathman: Umm try the Natural Keyboard Pro / Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro - one
[07:17] <kkathman> Harrowed:  I may try that, but everything seems to work with the generic even the volume controls
[07:18] <Harrowed> kkathman: Ahh.. There is the package keyboard discovery.. if it doesn't work
[07:18] <Harrowed> !sound
[07:18] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:20] <_2> what's a standard irq for usb ?
[07:21] <kkathman> uhmm my sound works fine btw
[07:21] <Harrowed> kkathman: That was for me :D
[07:22] <kkathman> ohh hehe
[07:22] <kkathman> Harrowed:  having some probs?
[07:22] <Harrowed> I have only USB Audio, but can only ever run one app with sound :(
[07:23] <stdin> _2: I think mine is spread between 17 and 20
[07:23] <Harrowed> _2: I have 11, to 16 Hmm but also have PCI one
[07:23] <_2> hmmm  i have the options   3 5 10 and 11    trying   10  atm.
[07:24] <_2> nothing seems to conflict with it,  so i guess it should work.
[07:24] <_2> i really dont like   compaq bios    errr  bioii
[07:25] <titanix88> hello?
[07:25] <_2> titanix88
[07:25] <Jucato> yes?
[07:26] <titanix88> hi _2
[07:26] <Harrowed> titanix88: hola?
[07:26] <titanix88> ovibadon=
[07:27] <titanix88> it was bengali hello:)
[07:28] <titanix88> _2 u hate some bios!?
[07:29] <_2> yeah.   can't set the things i want to set,  no options.
[07:31] <_2> you pick the occation.
[07:32] <se7en^Of^9> one question ... if i downgrade from vista to xp (dual boot) will xp overwrite my grub and if how do i get back to kubuntu
[07:32] <titanix88> anyone know how to recover a corrupt bios from a pc.it was damaged during a update(wrong mb model number) now everything boots well.but key and mouse doesn't work from bios startup.
[07:32] <kkathman> se7en^Of^9:  that depends on how you downgrade
[07:32] <_2> se7en^Of^9 most probably will.
[07:33] <_2> se7en^Of^9 but fixing grub is not hard.
[07:33] <kkathman> se7en^Of^9:  most likely yes you'll lose the grub with most any manipulation of windows but you should be able to recreate it
[07:33] <stdin> what a useful page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:33] <se7en^Of^9> thanks
[07:33] <kkathman> ooo spooky _2 :)
[07:34] <kkathman> fixing grub can be hard for someone thats never done it :)
[07:34] <kkathman> hehe
[07:34] <kkathman> Ive never dual booted with windows tho - I have a separate winbox
[07:34] <Jucato> _2: btw, shouldn't it be deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[07:35] <titanix88> anyone can comment about my prblm?
[07:35] <stdin> titanix88: re-flash with the old version?
[07:35] <kkathman> titanix88:  thats a real toughie - you might try the disk that came with the computer to get back where you are
[07:36] <kkathman> or maybe try reflashing
[07:36] <Jucato> !katapult > sparr
[07:36] <titanix88> i can't even enter the bios setup :(
[07:36] <_2> Jucato ummm yes it is...     did i mispaste that or what ???
[07:36] <Jucato> yep
[07:37] <_2> ;/
[07:37] <_2> oh well worse has happened.      hope it didn't cause too many headaches.
[07:37] <Jucato> not really.
[07:37] <_2> no pun intended that time...
[07:37] <Jucato> I noticed it before I gave it to someone else
[07:38] <stdin> _2: ahh, you missed the all important /ubuntu/
[07:38] <_2> stdin ;/
[07:38] <Harrowed> xine = POS! ARGH!
[07:38] <titanix88> stdin and kkathman: i would do reflash if i could do a single interaction with the pc.
[07:38] <titanix88> stdin and kkathman: i would do reflash if i could do a single interaction with the pc.
[07:39] <Harrowed> titanix88: Sledgehammer and get intimate with it.
[07:39] <stdin> you say it boots, so it can boot a disk to flash the bios
[07:39] <_2> what i did was copy and paste but i dubble clicked the url not tripple clicked it in dillo    my bad.  and sorry for all the extra confusion,   disclaimer - "the normal confusion is not included in this post"
[07:40] <titanix88> stdin:to do that i need to change boot menu setup.right?
[07:40] <Harrowed> Jucato: You weren't the only one... dil... *cough*
[07:41] <_2> oh please.       don't bother to mention how you read it...
[07:41] <Jucato> ok. I read _2 as "underscore 2"
[07:41] <Harrowed> Intel take 2! :D
[07:41] <_2> THAT BASE TWO !
[07:41] <Jucato> :P
[07:41] <_2> :)
[07:41] <Jucato> !caps | _2
[07:41] <ubotu> _2: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:41] <Harrowed> All your _ belong to us!
[07:42] <_2> btw the shouting was intentional there,   tyvm
[07:43] <Jucato> and the !caps was very much intentional too
[07:43] <Jucato> somehow I knew you'd shout :P
[07:43] <_2> but of course.
[07:43] <_2> :)
[07:43] <stdin> next time shout LOUDER
[07:43] <Harrowed> !shout stdin *hide*
[07:43] <_2> LIKE THIS?
[07:44] <stdin> Harrowed: you need the bot foo  :p
[07:44] <Harrowed> !shout > stdin
[07:44] <Harrowed> :D
[07:44] <titanix88> stdin i can reset the bios. if i unplug harddisk and enter a automatic flashing  disk, it might work right?
[07:44] <titanix88> stdin i can reset the bios. if i unplug harddisk and enter a automatic flashing  disk, it might work right?
[07:45] <stdin> ubotu: tell Harrowed about offtopic | Harrowed see PM from ubotu < is how it's done
[07:45] <stdin> titanix88: should do, if not there's usually some jumper on the MB that resets the bios
[07:46] <level1> !apt-unlock
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-unlock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <level1> !lock
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <stdin> !aptfix
[07:46] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:46] <titanix88> but as i can't do a single keystroke it must do it completely automatically like init.d scripts.
[07:51] <Smorg> heh
[07:51] <Smorg> never noticed amarok brought up wikipedia for you... amazing!
[07:52] <Jucato> :)
[07:52] <Jucato> "Rediscover your music"
[07:52] <Jucato> that's their slogan
[07:57] <_2> i find this really odd,   when i'm not lagging because of heavy network traffic.  i can ping my self with a faster responce time one hop away from the inet than i can on the gareway box.   actually several ms faster on avarage
[07:58] <_2> i mean  /ping <your own nick>    type ping.
[07:58] <Jucato> [13:58]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-PING reply from _2: 1 second.
[07:59] <_2> heh  i ping self in half that time.
[07:59] <_2> -:- CTCP PING reply from _2: 0.475 seconds
[07:59] <_2> that must be rounded Jucato   ???
[07:59] <Jucato> to 0
[08:00] <stdin> I can't ping myself, I'm +C
[08:00] <Jucato> can't ping you either
[08:00] <Jucato> aah no wonder!!!
[08:00] <Jucato> you have not stdout :)
[08:00] <_2> lol
[08:00] <hsystem-x> haha
[08:00] <Jucato> :D
[08:01] <_2> he's all  0>
[08:01] <stdin>  1>&0
[08:01] <Jucato> you forgot your base
[08:01] <stdin> stderr
[08:02] <Jucato> err...
[08:02] <stdin> err, yep
[08:02] <_2> :)
[08:02] <stdin> cerr << _2
[08:02] <_2> now that guy makes me jelous.   he's the only one with more runlevel than me...
[08:03] <_2> #runlevel ;S 9
[08:04] <_2> stdin is that C  for 2> ?
[08:05] <stdin> _2: C++ yeah
[08:05] <chx> is it possible to update only one package? at this moment i need something to work and not particularly interested in a new kernel which takes forever to download
[08:05] <_2> hey i was close.
[08:05] <stdin> _2: cout, cin, cerr and clog are the basic streams :)
[08:05] <_2> kool
[08:06] <stdin> chx: just apt-get install the package to upgrade it
[08:06] <_2> chx yes it is.    if it's in the update/security repos   sudo apt-get install --reinstall packagename      should get it.
[08:06] <stdin> --reinstall is overkill
[08:06] <stdin> but will work
[08:07] <_2> stdin it wont install something already installed with out some switch
[08:07] <stdin> _2: it will if it can upgrade it
[08:07] <_2> goes to test
[08:09] <_2> wow   there's another handy   nick.    "blindIwitness"
[08:10] <progress0r> I installed kde4 but cant login, it just returns me to the login screen - anyone else have this problem?
[08:10] <stdin> did you install kdebase-workspace ?
[08:11] <progress0r> yes i did
[08:11] <sstarbuck> progress0r: did you add the 4 export lines to the very top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde ?
[08:11] <stdin> and modify the startkde script to include the lines it has on the announcement?
[08:11] <progress0r> i managed to get in after hacking around my .kde files (after backing up).
[08:11] <progress0r> yeah I did all that.
[08:12] <progress0r> the error i got was that it could not load user face
[08:12] <progress0r> (in the logs)
[08:12] <progress0r> question - its running kde3 kdm not the kdm located in the kde 4 directory. When i can login i have no start menu only the desktop thing in the upper left.
[08:13] <Harrowed> So use startx to test default KDE
[08:13] <_2> stdin ok i stand corrected again.        this just isn't my day.
[08:13] <stdin> progress0r: yeah, kde4 has no launcher/kicker
[08:14] <progress0r> ah ok - is that intended or is it because its still in alpha?
[08:14] <_2> no switch required to upgrade a package.
[08:14] <stdin> progress0r: no, it's actually beta2 it just doesn't have the parts it needs in kdebase. they only exist in svn
[08:14] <progress0r> so you have to build the trunk
[08:15] <stdin> _2: apt-get install package is the same as apt-get install package=latest-version
[08:15] <stdin> progress0r: you have to build the whole of kde from trunk yeah
[08:15] <progress0r> sounds fun ;) how useable is it if you go that route?
[08:15] <stdin> progress0r: well, it's not :p
[08:15] <stdin> progress0r: there still isn't a launcher
[08:16] <progress0r> yay - ill wait ;)
[08:16] <stdin> progress0r: just a prototype for one that does nothing :)
[08:16] <level1> I installed a package but I can't figure out what the script provided by the package is called
[08:16] <level1> that just drives me up the wall
[08:16] <stdin> level1: "dpkg -L package" will list all the files installed with the package
[08:20] <khaije1> where can i find dev packages? for kde3.5.7 ?
[08:21] <stdin> khaije1: if you have kde3.5.7 installed just grab "kde-devel" to get them all
[08:23] <khaije1> stdin: that doesn't work for me do to unmet dependencies, but i don't really know why, would you take a look at my error msg? (posting to bin atm)
[08:27] <khaije1> stdin: i'm hoping this means to more to you than it does to me... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/d22edbc06
[08:28] <Jucato> KDE 3.4.3?!?!
[08:28] <stdin> yeah, what's that about
[08:29] <stdin> khaije1: post your sources.list too please
[08:32] <khaije1> right, here it is... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/d27698ba1
[08:35] <osh_> What is it that decides what application is started when I right-click on the desktop. What's the name of that menu?
[08:37] <combo> how to check out what hour yesterday evening i turned off my computer?? :)
[08:37] <stdin> khaije1: hmm, now that is odd, can you just check what version "apt-cache policy kdebase" shows
[08:37] <kkathman> combo:  dmesg ?
[08:38] <osh_> Servicemenus?
[08:38] <khaije1> stdin: sure, am I a corner-case here? because if so i'm not sure how it happened :-)
[08:38] <combo> kkathman: veeeery complicate to decode :D
[08:39] <osh_> Hmm, not servicemenus in konqueror, altough it looks almost right.
[08:39] <stdin> khaije1: well kde version 3.4.3 is just wrong, it just shouldn't be
[08:42] <khaije1> stdin: here... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/d2ce00555
[08:43] <stdin> khaije1: how did you install kde/kubuntu ?
[08:44] <khaije1> stdin: i had a sexy dream and when i woke up it was there, (cd i think)
[08:44] <Jucato> stdin: that is just plain weird....
[08:45] <stdin> I ask because it seems (and this may sound strange) you don't have KDE installed
[08:45] <Harrowed> khaije1: You're scarey
[08:45] <RainDrop> can eny1 helpme i cant connect to internet i wrot in terminal dpkg -s pppoeconf and all its ok but stiil can t connect to internet
[08:45] <khaije1> stdin: i can assure you that isn't that case, though i wonder if it's version confused
[08:46] <khaije1> when i tried to install kdebase just now it failed due to dependency
[08:46] <stdin> khaije1: it says you don't have kdebase installed, and kdebase is the base of kde...
[08:47] <stdin> khaije1: what happens if you try "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" ?
[08:47] <khaije1> stdin: so i guess i am a corner case... i really couldn't tell if this was a common problem
[08:48] <stdin> it's definitely not common
[08:48] <stdin> I've never heard of anyone having kde but not having it at the same time :p
[08:48] <khaije1> it looks like it will install fine, the inst pkgs are:
[08:48] <khaije1>   apport-qt hwdb-client-kde kubuntu-desktop language-selector-qt python-qt4
[08:48] <khaije1>   software-properties-kde speedcrunch
[08:49] <stdin> is that it?
[08:49] <khaije1> yup, i should proceed i guess, i remember removing speedcrunch because i favored a different calculator, not sure about the other ones...
[08:50] <dj_kik>  
[08:50] <stdin> !ru | dj_kik
[08:50] <ubotu> dj_kik:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[08:50] <stdin> khaije1: it should install kdebase
[08:50] <dj_kik>      (yp-tools) + automount?
[08:50] <stdin> dj_kik: /join #ubuntu-ru
[08:51] <khaije1> stdin: in this case there's not a mention, it makes me feel better to know it's actually a weird problem
[08:51] <stdin> it's slightly impossible actually :p
[08:51] <khaije1> cuz it's been bothering me that i couldn't fix it w/ my usual tricks
[08:51] <khaije1> hehe
[08:52] <stdin> how can kubuntu-desktop be set to install install when it depends on kdebase which is not installed and not going to be....
[08:52] <khaije1> well, could i have hosed things by tinkering w/ kde4 ?
[08:52] <khaije1> afaik, it's totally gone now, but i think the problems started about then
[08:54] <stdin> how about "sudo aptitude install kdebase" ?
[08:55] <stdin> Jucato: any clue on this?
[08:55] <Jucato> nada
[08:56] <stdin> it's making my head go boom
[08:56] <khaije1> stdin: 1 sec, install kubuntu-desktop still processing... i'll do that one immediately after
[08:57] <khaije1> stdin: ya i have a beautiful elegant powerful highly functional kde desktop that i've used since install, afaik i'm not lacking anything
[08:58] <khaije1> stdin: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:58] <khaije1>   kdebase: Depends: kpersonalizer (>= 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.2) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[08:59] <stdin> give "sudo aptitude install kpersonalizer" a go, see what it says
[08:59] <khaije1> dpkg says i have the bin, data, and kio-plugins for kdebase
[08:59] <khaije1> k
[09:00] <khaije1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  kpersonalizer: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.7) but 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1 is to be installedE: Broken packages
[09:01] <khaije1> this made me laugh ^^
[09:01] <noob_in_danger> how can i install php5 support for apache2, in chrooted apache2?
[09:04] <khaije1> stdin: i'm going to disable all non-mainline repos update and try again
[09:04] <stdin> khaije1: looks like you (or something) removed a kubuntu.org repo from your sources. add in "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/ feisty main"
[09:04] <khaije1> ah! i bet thats it
[09:07] <khaije1> stdin: it couldn't find it, can you verify the url?
[09:07] <khaije1> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/dists/fesity/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[09:07] <stdin> should be "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357/ feisty main"
[09:09] <stdin> khaije1: feisty not fesity
[09:09] <khaije1> lol, ok
[09:12] <khaije1> stdin: you're a miracle worker, thanks v much!
[09:12] <stdin> I take it it's working now :)
[09:13] <Jucato> stdin's gooood
[09:13] <khaije1> yup, i can finally compile the latest kmymoney, not to mention a few months of kde updates :-)
[09:14] <stdin> well, that was seven types of confusing but we got there in the end
[09:14] <noob_in_danger> how can i install php5 support for apache2, in chrooted apache2?
[09:15] <khaije1> stdin: ya if you can imagine, i encountered the problem as a build dependency, by the time i got halfway this far i'd forgotten why i started in the first place. which is why irc chans rule
[09:17] <stdin> only took 53 mins to solve too :p
[09:18] <khaije1> which doesn't speak well of my attention span at all
[09:18] <khaije1> i'd like to make a donation in yr name, got a favorite org?
[09:18] <stdin> umm, how's about to pdpc for hosting freenode :)
[09:19] <khaije1> k, i'll let you know when it's arranged (never done that one before) bbl
[09:19] <stdin> or any OSS project you feel good about
[09:19] <stdin> or the local kitty hospital :p
[09:20] <stdin> where?
[09:20] <WaltzingAlong> foss
[09:21] <Harrowed> Glad you were following WaltzingAlong.. Because I coulnd't follow that :D
[09:21] <stdin> don't care if it's free, just open source software
[09:21] <WaltzingAlong> ;D
[09:22] <WaltzingAlong> and the free in foss does not refer to kostenlos/without fee or without requiring monetary payment, instead it refers to freedom/libre, that kind of free
[09:23] <stdin> actually in floss it does mean free
[09:23] <stdin> but now we're just adding letters :)
[09:23] <khaije1> stdin: pdpc should be simple, i'll send the equivalent of my hourly rate via check w/ yr name & channel attached
[09:24] <khaije1> stdin: thanks again, i appreciate the time and help
[09:24] <stdin> no problem, enjoy the KDE goodness :)
[09:32] <TeePOG> morning all
[09:32] <Harrowed> Morning TeePOG
[09:32] <TeePOG> can anyone tell me why Kontact won't fetch my mail and newsfeeds EXCEPT when I'm at work and manually set a proxy in KControl?
[09:32] <TeePOG> if I set the KDE proxy settings to "Connect directly to Internet", then all the other KDE apps work fine but Kontact does not
[09:37] <emilsedgh> TeePOG: are you sure? try to run kmail or akregator... seperately
[09:37] <TeePOG> hmm. i'll try that quickly emilsedgh
[09:38] <TeePOG> thing is, i can't test that now... i'm at work and it works here
[09:38] <TeePOG> wait, i'll connect through my phone just now
[09:38] <TeePOG> that's when the problem occurs, when I'm on my phone/modem or at a public hotspot
[09:46] <Smorg> Is there an extension to openoffice for docx support?
[09:47] <Smorg> or at least the ability to read them?
[09:47] <dj_kik> gde mogno skachat (yp-tools) + automount ?
[09:48] <noob_in_danger> hey. is there any way to make a chroot of my system, so i can install services i want and then run them all chrooted, without the need of copying files from my default system to a chroot dir?
[09:48] <Smorg> ?
[09:48] <Smorg> I'm taking an online writing class, and the prof publishes all instructions in docx
[09:48] <Smorg> which everyone is having issues with because nothign can read them
[09:48] <TeePOG> noob_in_danger: you mean chroot your entire root directory?
[09:49] <TeePOG> noob_in_danger: that would just be the same as not having a chroot. which files would you need to copy?
[09:50] <TeePOG> Smorg: point him to the ISO site where they refused docx as an ISO standard... then insist upon fully ISO standards-compliant formats to be used.
[09:50] <Sevenhill> hi there
[09:51] <Sevenhill> which package contains cwd ?
[09:51] <Smorg> Sounds good
[09:51] <Smorg> until then i'll just have to use a converter.
[09:53] <dj_kik> gde mogno skachat (yp-tools) + automount ?
[09:55] <noob_in_danger> TeePOG: i say that because i want to install apache2 + php5 + mysql + phpldapadmin, etc, etc... so it would make it easier... after that i would remove all unnecessary files... or ist there a better way to do this?
[10:01] <combo> where can i figure out how much of free space is available on my /home partition ??
[10:01] <WaltzingAlong> combo: df /home -h
[10:01] <combo> WaltzingAlong: thx :)
[10:02] <TeePOG> noob_in_danger: are you going to admin an LDAP server?
[10:02] <Smorg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docx#Submission_to_ISO
[10:02] <Smorg> sounds complicated
[10:03] <TeePOG> noob_in_danger: how are you planning to install those programs? by hand, or with the package manager?
[10:03] <TeePOG> can anyone recommend a proxy switcher applet for KDE?
[10:15] <noob_in_danger> TeePOG: by hand...
[10:15] <TeePOG> noob_in_danger: do yourself a favour and do it the package manager way... it also runs setup scripts and the like, so the services start and run correctly
[10:16] <noob_in_danger> also with runs with 'everything enabled'
[10:16] <noob_in_danger> ;/
[10:16] <wesley> how do you download from irc?
[10:17] <wesley> hello?
[10:18] <waylandbill> what is the simplest way to block all traffic to port 5190?
[10:21] <Smorg> get guarddog and set it as a rule
[10:21] <wesley> how do you download in konversation?
[10:21] <waylandbill> doing so Smorg.
[10:22] <KevInAlaska> howdy folks! Offbeat question 4 this forum, but anyone know the Linux OS name used 4 palm devices and/or pocket PCs?
[10:24] <Smorg> you mean dcc?
[10:24] <HannaH1> hello what is the last verion for kubuntu ( firefox ? )
[10:24] <Smorg> 2.0.0.7?
[10:25] <KevInAlaska> dcc?
[10:27] <HannaH1> no know
[10:27] <HannaH1> how i can add a new source in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <HannaH1> automatic? it's a commands....
[10:28] <Harrowed> HannaH1: Use the GUI.. Software Sources
[10:28] <emilsedgh> hagabaka: or open it as a text file :)
[10:28] <akrus> how to check what software is using /dev/dsp? :x
[10:28] <Harrowed> akrus: dsp is the default sound device
[10:28] <akrus> I know
[10:28] <Harrowed> ALSA/OSS etc use it
[10:29] <akrus> I know :)
[10:29] <Harrowed> ARTS using it? Default on by KDE?
[10:29] <akrus> arts killed
[10:29] <HannaH1> Harrowed, tnx
[10:30] <akrus> fuser -v /dev/dsp <-- likely :x
[10:36] <akrus> sudo cat /dev/mouse/ > /dev/dsp
[10:36] <akrus> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[10:36] <akrus> :(
[10:59] <HannaH1> Hello, i need some help i add this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38530/ why i connot add & remove in pertition?
[11:06] <HannaH1> i need some help i add this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38530/ why i connot add & remove in pertition?
[11:22] <ubuntu>  
[11:28] <davide> are there someone who play wow on linux ubuntu??
[11:29] <David3> ???
[11:36] <ashutosh> hi all
[11:41] <combo> how to show trash on desktop ?
[11:41] <USMarine> combo right click on kicker, add applet
[11:42] <combo> USMarine: no on the panel but on the Desktop ^^
[11:42] <combo> i mean: how to put trash icon on Desktop
[11:44] <USMarine> hmm
[11:45] <USMarine> add a new link to "trash:/"
[11:47] <wers> I can't access mysql.. I am willing to purge it and all.. "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"
[11:48] <wers> what do I do to reset everything that has to do with mysql
[11:48] <USMarine> i think root has password
[11:48] <USMarine> wait
[11:49] <USMarine> root doesn't have password
[11:49] <USMarine> so don't specify any
[11:49] <wers> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'wers'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[11:49] <wers> root or not, I can't access it
[11:49] <USMarine> google for that error code
[11:50] <wers> ooh.. yeah
[11:50] <USMarine> or try #mysql
[11:50] <wers> will do that :)
[11:50] <USMarine> i'm not aware of all possible mysql errors
[12:10] <kurtd> salut
[12:14] <HiGenix> !ru
[12:15] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:15] <HiGenix> Oh wait, that's not russian..
[12:15] <HiGenix> !fr
[12:15] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:16] <smorg__> Q: Is adept pretty failsafe? Like... if it crashes for some reason during instilation, or fails to complete certain downloads, or it is forcably closed for some reason, does it check to ensure all packages are really successfully installed via a checksum of some kind?
[12:16] <USMarine> HiGenix he's not here anymore
[12:16] <USMarine> and you can check his country from his host
[12:17] <Jucato> smorg__: since Adept uses APT as the backend, I believe the answer to that would be yes
[12:17] <Jucato> smorg__: if APT doesn't finish correctly, it will lock the package management system until it's fixed/finished
[12:18] <smorg__> ah thats good to know...
[12:19] <smorg__> kppp is pretty unstable and randomly fails now and then
[12:19] <smorg__> causing adept to fail and become non-responsive
[12:19] <smorg__> then it will attempt to install the updates that have been successfully downloaded
[12:20] <smorg__> what happens if an updated application is running during instilation? does it have some sort of queing where it will be applied upon the next application start?
[12:20] <smorg__> it doesn't seem to warn that something is open (like firefox core update through adept)
[12:21] <smorg__> or... apt for that matter
[12:21] <master_> scuse me folks... :)
[12:21] <master_> can someone tell me how to enable the 3d graphics with the ATI card on kubuntu the easy way... like in ubuntu with gnome...
[12:22] <USMarine> tried the feisty guide
[12:22] <master_> nope...
[12:22] <master_> just installed the KDE
[12:22] <USMarine> try it then
[12:22] <master_> ok
[12:22] <USMarine> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[12:22] <master_> thanks
[12:26] <kingrayray> Am I allowed to ask a gutsy question in here?
[12:26] <USMarine> nop
[12:26] <kingrayray> i didn't see a kubuntu+1 channel, where should I go?
[12:26] <USMarine> !ubuntu+1
[12:26] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[12:26] <USMarine> !kubuntu+1
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu+1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <kingrayray> hehe
[12:27] <wers> guys, how do I delete every configuration file, database, and all those things that involve mysql's settings?
[12:28] <USMarine> apt-get remove purge ...
[12:38] <HiGenix> How do I mount an .iso file in Kubuntu?
[12:39] <wers> oh  my gosh!
[12:39] <wers> I'm purging my mysql..
[12:39] <wers> it's also removing my kubuntu desktop
[12:39] <wers> how do I stop adept?
[12:41] <kingrayray> I would suggest just reinstalling kubuntu-desktop when it's done
[12:41] <kingrayray> (correct me if i'm wrong)
[12:41] <wers> will I face big problems if I kill adept while doing this?
[12:42] <kingrayray> depends on your definition of big problems
[12:42] <kingrayray> you might have a little weirdness if its half way done with kubuntu-desktop
[12:42] <wers> oh my goshh
[12:42] <kingrayray> lol relax its not a hard fix
[12:42] <wers> ok.. I'mma let this finish\
[12:42] <kingrayray> seriously if you just let it go then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop you should be ok
[12:43] <kingrayray> just don't kill X ;)
[12:43] <wers> I just remembered, I have ubuntu-desktop installed in the same root partition..
[12:43] <treKrem> !nixternal
[12:43] <treKrem> Now listening to:Ring Of Fire by Joaquin Phoenix on Walk The Line
[12:43] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[12:43] <wers> at least, I have some gui left
[12:44] <wers> I just don't want to download a lot of packages again
[12:44] <smorg_> I was wondering that same thing... if there is any linux virtual drive software
[12:44] <kingrayray> you don't need virtual drive software for linux
[12:44] <smorg_> daemon tools open-source?
[12:44] <kingrayray> you can just mount ISO's via command line
[12:45] <smorg_> unfortunatly alcohol isn't
[12:45] <kingrayray> example
[12:45] <smorg_> aah
[12:45] <kingrayray> mount filename.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop
[12:45] <smorg_> same as like an ntfs drive?
[12:45] <HiGenix> Thanks
[12:45] <kingrayray> er, /media/cdrom i suppose.
[12:45] <smorg_> sweet
[12:45] <kingrayray> smorg_ basically
[12:47] <Smorg> wow konqueror ranks #12 browser on my website for statistics generated over the last 2 years.
[12:47] <Smorg> below some i've never heard of
[12:47] <Smorg> 1.
[12:47] <Smorg> Firefox  Firefox
[12:47] <Smorg> 176613717661371766137   46.34 % (1766137)
[12:47] <Smorg>   2.
[12:47] <Smorg> MSIE  MSIE
[12:47] <Smorg> 153737315373731537373   40.34 % (1537373)
[12:47] <Smorg>   3.
[12:47] <Smorg> Opera  Opera
[12:47] <Smorg> 203764203764203764   5.346 % (203764)
[12:47] <Smorg>   4.
[12:47] <Smorg> Mozilla  Mozilla
[12:47] <Smorg> 432454324543245   1.134 % (43245)
[12:47] <Smorg>   5.
[12:47] <Smorg> Maxthon  Maxthon
[12:48] <Smorg> 934793479347   0.245 % (9347)
[12:48] <Smorg>   6.
[12:48] <Smorg> Safari  Safari
[12:48] <Agent_bob> i have a question.
[12:48] <Smorg> 721772177217   0.189 % (7217)
[12:48] <Smorg>   7.
[12:48] <Smorg> Netscape  Netscape
[12:48] <Smorg> 419541954195   0.110 % (4195)
[12:48] <Smorg>   8.
[12:48] <Smorg> SeaMonkey  SeaMonkey
[12:48] <Agent_bob> oh wait, this is ubuntu.  sorry.
[12:48] <Smorg> 406940694069   0.106 % (4069)
[12:48] <Smorg>   9.
[12:48] <Smorg> MyIE2  MyIE2
[12:48] <Smorg> 280228022802   0.073 % (2802)
[12:48] <Smorg>   10.
[12:48] <Smorg> Crazy Browser  Crazy Browser
[12:48] <Smorg> 209220922092   0.054 % (2092)
[12:48] <Smorg>   11.
[12:48] <Smorg> Konqueror  Konqueror
[12:48] <Agent_bob> !ops
[12:48] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[12:48] <Smorg> 491491491   0.012 % (491)
[12:48] <Smorg> doesn't matter unless its a gnome specific q
[12:50] <thid> hello
[12:52] <thid> does any1 know how to change the installation process in kubuntu? I'm trying to run install on fullscreen but with out runing kde
[12:52] <Mez> Smorg, please use a pastebin
[12:52] <Mez> it should give you a "are you sure you want to paste this"
[12:52] <Mez> !pastebin | Smorg
[12:52] <ubotu> Smorg: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:52] <Jucato> it wasn't even on topic btw
[12:53] <Thonolan> i have a problem with vsftp in KDE i have installed it from a german wiki and if i try to start i get this :
[12:53] <Thonolan> sudo: /etc/intit.d/vsftpd: command not found
[12:53] <Thonolan> but there is a vsftpd in the folder
[12:53] <Thonolan> i use feisty fawn
[12:53] <Riddell> thid: are you making a custom distro based on kubuntu?
[12:53] <thid> try sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[12:54] <thid> Riddell yes I'm trying to edit it a little
[12:54] <thid> I need to change few think in it to use it in company where I work ^^
[12:54] <kingrayray> Thonolan: your command says "intit.d" instead of "init.d"
[12:55] <Thonolan> omg
[12:55] <kingrayray> hehe a simple typo
[12:55] <thid> ;)
[12:55] <Riddell> thid: well you could just use the alternate CD for a full screen installer
[12:55] <Thonolan> :)
[12:55] <Riddell> thid: if you want a live CD, the installer is called ubiquity and the source code is in launchpad.net/ubiquity (or apt-get source ubiquity)
[12:55] <thid> Riddell yes I know but it's a text mode. it's not a problem for me to use text mode but it a little hard for other ppl
[12:56] <Thonolan> gracias
[12:56] <kingrayray> no problem :P
[12:56] <Thonolan> thanks people :)
[12:56] <Thonolan> my big fingers ....
[12:56] <Thonolan> :)
[12:56] <thid> u knwo Thonolan -> "Linux connecting people" ^^
[12:57] <Thonolan> thid:  yes i agree
[12:57] <Thonolan> thid: and iam sorry i was so nervouse to see the typo
[12:57] <thid> ^^
[12:57] <kingrayray> hehe it happens to all of us
[12:58] <Thonolan> :)
[12:58] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/wtf.png <- now this is weird, i just installed..
[12:58] <kingrayray> if nobody saw prior
[12:58] <thid> ye...but it a horror when u write 2000 line of code (bash script) and u have such mistakes :D
[12:58] <Riddell> thid: and if you want to run only the installer and no desktop you'd need a new entry in /usr/share/xsessions/ which points to the installer
[12:59] <thid> uhm...I wall looking for that in etc :/ shit I didn't check usr :/
[01:00] <thid> any1 tryed UCK?
[01:00] <thid> ubuntu custome kit or something like that
[01:03] <thid> Riddell about that installaer when I change informations i xsession I need also to give him some xserver to start. The deflaut server is KDE and I just can't change it to installator so I need to give him some xserver and run xserver with instalator :/
[01:09] <Thonolan> thx ladys and gentlemen have a nice day cu
[01:20] <JohnFlux> !nvidia
[01:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:28] <simarillion> hi which package contains include files for c++ for example float.h ???
[01:31] <USMarine> build-essential ?
[01:31] <zib10> .....
[01:31] <USMarine> simarillion build-essential
[01:32] <simarillion> I have build-essential installed but float.h cannot be found
[01:32] <USMarine> gcc,
[01:32] <jussi01> !find float.h
[01:32] <ubotu> File float.h found in cmix, dietlibc-dev, ecos, evolution-dev, fixincludes (and 38 others)
[01:32] <jussi01> lots of places
[01:33] <simarillion> Thanx I will try this
[01:37] <sam__> hi.. got a bluetooth question..
[01:38] <USMarine> sam__ i don't know the solution for that
[01:38] <sam__> im using blackbox on my ubuntu box.. and would like to beam pictures from my mobile phone to my desktop
[01:39] <sam__> it work in KDE, are there any console tools for that?
[01:39] <USMarine> define beam
[01:40] <sam__> beam/stream/send - same thing..
[01:40] <sam__> the term beam is often used for sending files over bt
[01:40] <sam__> * i think *
[01:40] <JohnFlux> is it possible to use the nvidia drivers with an older kernel?
[01:41] <USMarine> kbluetooth doesn't work ?
[01:41] <JohnFlux> I need to use 2.6.20 instead of 2.6.22
[01:41] <JohnFlux> (the new kernels don't work for me)
[01:41] <USMarine> (12:41:38) (USMarine) ~tias
[01:41] <USMarine> (12:41:39) (javabot) Try it and see. You learn much more by experimentation than by asking without having even tried.
[01:41] <JohnFlux> but the nvidia drivers seem to be only for one version
[01:42] <USMarine> i'm really not sure about that
[01:45] <simarillion> !find float.h returns
[01:45] <simarillion> $ !find float.h
[01:45] <simarillion> find float.h  float.h
[01:45] <simarillion> find: float.h: No such file or directory
[01:45] <simarillion> find: float.h: No such file or directory
[01:45] <ubotu> File float.h found in cmix, dietlibc-dev, ecos, evolution-dev, fixincludes (and 38 others)
[01:46] <simarillion> I installed dietlibc-dev
[01:46] <simarillion> Compile error cannot find include file "float.h"
[01:47] <bigdaddy> please guys, I need some help. I have no idea what has happened. Last night  I was working on configuring my mouse. This morning my wife tells me she cannot log in. SO i wait until she and the kids are off and I tried to log on I cannot log on
[01:47] <bigdaddy> I type in my username, then password. The screen flickers and then kdm appears again
[01:48] <USMarine> try to reinstall kdm
[01:48] <bigdaddy> So far all I can do ir log into the failsafe and have on Konsole open and thats how I started Konversation
[01:49] <bigdaddy> I have no windows borders at all
[01:49] <bigdaddy> USMarine - how do I do that without a working UI?
[01:49] <osh_> What's the name of the search-path for kernel modules? So that I can just say "modprobe bah" instead of going to the correct dir and do an insmod?
[01:49] <USMarine> alt+f3
[01:50] <bigdaddy> if I do that now, will I get booted?
[01:50] <USMarine> alt+f4
[01:50] <USMarine> no
[01:50] <USMarine> it will open a side console
[01:50] <bigdaddy> alt-f4? That closes the window?
[01:50] <sbucat> hi i have used kde database collection but when i see the online page it said this http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=9486fa3350a3f3bead3dcc5da8d3247a
[01:50] <sbucat> some ideas?
[01:51] <Alp`> i'm still searching a good ftp/ssh-client gui. tried gftp, filezilla and krusader, but none fits to my needs. do you have other proposals?
[01:51] <USMarine> bigdaddy it won't
[01:51] <USMarine> Alp` fireftp?
[01:51] <osh_> Alp`: fish?
[01:52] <bigdaddy> USMarine - alt-f4 dd nothing
[01:52] <Alp`> USMarine: is that a firefox plugin?
[01:52] <USMarine> yes
[01:52] <bigdaddy> should I do that at the loging screen?
[01:52] <Alp`> osh_: i dont know that. whats fish?
[01:53] <osh_> Alp`: Konquerors built-in files over ssh KIOslave. Just type fish:/hostname in the adressbar of konqi
[01:53] <USMarine> bigdaddy tried the failsafe session type yet?
[01:53] <USMarine> yes konqueror too
[01:53] <Alp`> osh_: ok, i'll try it
[01:53] <spawn57> fish is awesome!
[01:53] <USMarine> osh_ i eat fish all the time
[01:54] <USMarine> -.-
[01:54] <osh_> USMarine: yeah. me too. <'))))>|
[01:54] <spawn57> =P
[01:54] <USMarine> bigdaddy or try ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:55] <spawn57> any of use digikam?
[01:59] <Alp`> USMarine: fireftp doesnt know ssh :/
[02:00] <evri2> hello ghost town
[02:03] <bigdaddy> usmarine - I am sorry. I have been trying to get back to this window, but it would not respond
[02:04] <bigdaddy> I have done the ctrl+alt+backspace several times to restart X, but it makes no difference.
[02:05] <bigdaddy> USMarine, I am in the failsaif session ATM. There is no window titlebar, no control for Z-ordering....
[02:06] <osh_> spawn57: yeah. i do
[02:06] <spawn57> osh_ how do you arrange all you files, folders and albums?
[02:07] <bigdaddy> well, I removed completely removed KDM and reinstalled. Maybe that helped. I will try restarting again.
[02:08] <osh_> spawn57: I usually don't. I just download and then look at the calendar-view.
[02:08] <osh_> spawn57: But I think you just drag and drop tings in the normal view to make albums and stuff.
[02:08] <spawn57> yeah I do that, but I got so many that I name folders are months
[02:09] <osh_> spawn57: If that doesn't do it for you, perhaps just rearrange things with konqui? All photos are in your home-dir, no?
[02:09] <osh_> Alp`: fish didn't do it for you?
[02:09] <spawn57> yeah, i was thinking of a naming scheme though, like year month album ..but I was wondering what others use
[02:10] <Alp`> osh_: it works, but i need something where i can manage several bookmarks (which automatically switch to specified local and remote folders)
[02:10] <Alp`> osh_: i didnt see anything like that in konqueror
[02:10] <osh_> spawn57: I use calendar view mostly, but I should probably arrange the photos into occations, like "My wedding" and "Their wedding" and stuff.
[02:10] <spawn57> several bookmarks?
[02:10] <spawn57> osh_: yeah, I'm thinking that too
[02:11] <osh_> Alp`: Ah. Good luck in finding something then. You probably have more advanced wishes than I do. =)
[02:11] <Alp`> osh_: thank you :) i was very happy with cuteftp in windows
[02:12] <spawn57> Alp`: bookmarks? for ftp? ssh? in konqueror?
[02:12] <bigdaddy> USMarine - no luck there
[02:12] <osh_> Alp`: Feel free to add your wishes in launchpad. Perhaps they'll be implemented.
[02:12] <spawn57> have you tried using remote:/
[02:12] <Alp`> spawn57: right
[02:13] <Alp`> spawn57: no, whats that?
[02:13] <spawn57> give it a shot, it'll probably do what you ask for
[02:13] <Jucato> what's Alp` wishing for?
[02:13] <Alp`> osh_: i am new to linux.. is launchpad that bugtracker for ubuntu?
[02:13] <Jucato> !launchpad
[02:13] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[02:13] <spawn57> bookmarks for remote locations and stuff
[02:14] <Jucato> oooh yeah remote.... and Konqueror sidebar!
[02:14] <Alp`> hm
[02:14] <Jucato> er. remote:/ I mean
[02:14] <spawn57> ..holy crap delicious bookmarks sidebar?
[02:15] <Jucato> spawn57: the one by default sucks a bit
[02:15] <Jucato> there's a different one from kde-apps.org that works better
[02:15] <spawn57> Jucato: never used delicous ... I don't use the amarok sidebar either
[02:15] <Jucato> such wasted features :P
[02:16] <spawn57> heheh just clicked on it and konqueror isn't responding now
[02:16] <spawn57> ..yeah proably, I just use keybaord shortcuts
[02:16] <kkathman> hmm Jucato any reason, that if I am logged into a gnome session, not running any k-applications, that I shouldnt be able to kill things like kacpid, kacpi_notify, khelper, kseriod, etc ??
[02:16] <kkathman> or are those always loaded if you've installed kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:17] <emilsedgh> Jucato: happy blogging on the planet :)
[02:17] <Jucato> emilsedgh: thanks :)
[02:17] <Jucato> hope I don't get dugg too much though hahaha
[02:17] <osh_> Bounties on launchpad? Where?
[02:18] <emilsedgh> Jucato: lol, no,  I was so happy when I read your weblog :)
[02:18] <Jucato> kkathman: hm... afaik, it shouldn't hurt. those services should probably restart once you launch a KDE app.
[02:18] <Jucato> kkathman: does it hurt your system leaving them running?
[02:18] <Jucato> emilsedgh: hehe thanks :)
[02:19] <Jucato> at least I know now that I have some readers :)
[02:20] <emilsedgh> Jucato: you did have, someone named 'Jadi' talked to you yesterday? he is a friend, liked your why kde article so much, yesterday you werent on planet ;)
[02:20] <Jucato> hahahah!
[02:20] <kkathman> Jucato well, a few of those processes have pids less than 40  so that tells me they start up on boot (like kacpid, khelper) and, no they dont seem to be taking up any resource at all
[02:20] <Jucato> emilsedgh: actually I wrote that article because of the invitation to be on the planet
[02:21] <Jucato> I was already on planet ubuntu though
[02:21] <kkathman> thats the reason why I was wondering why they couldnt be killed
[02:21] <toast_> hi, i'm looking for the german kubuntu irc chan
[02:21] <Alp`> hey konqueror isnt bad with remote:/
[02:21] <Jucato> !de | toast_
[02:21] <ubotu> toast_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:21] <toast_> thx :)
[02:21] <Alp`> i dont like konqueror very much as file browser, but it could be my choice for ssh/ftp
[02:21] <Jucato> Alp`: you can make bookmarks for every remote place you go, then you can also put a bookmark toolbar in Konq
[02:21] <spawn57> what do you prefer?
[02:22] <Jucato> you can save a Konqueror profile with split views for ftp etc
[02:22] <Alp`> Jucato: i'll try that, thx
[02:22] <emilsedgh> Alp`: thats all about habit, try to work a week with konqueror, then you couldnt even look at the firefox
[02:22] <emilsedgh> Jucato: exactly
[02:22] <Alp`> spawn57: i'm not sure yet, didnt make a decision so far. tried krusader and some others
[02:22] <Jucato> well he did say "file browser"
[02:23] <spawn57> konqueror isn't that great for yahoo mail and google maps =(
[02:23] <Jucato> yahoo mail *beta* you mean
[02:23] <Jucato> plain yahoo mail works ok
[02:23] <Jucato> and is all that I need...
[02:23] <Alp`> emilsedgh: i'll never change my browser :D firefox is my favorite
[02:23] <kkathman> yeah I dont use konq for a browser, except to go to espn, as its the ONLY browser that renders that site correctly in linux
[02:24] <spawn57> i like quanta! =D
[02:24] <Jucato> hm.. dunno if it does PHP
[02:24] <spawn57> it does the highlighting
[02:24] <Jucato> I just don't like Quanta+ not being a WYSIWYG
[02:24] <emilsedgh> im already using quanta
[02:24] <Alp`> i tried dolphin, thats not bad
[02:24] <kkathman> it does Jucato
[02:24] <spawn57> if you set up your project right, hit F8, and your site gets updated on the remote locaiton and you can try it out in a browser
[02:24] <Jucato> kkathman: not really
[02:25] <kkathman> yes it really does
[02:25] <Jucato> can you drag and drop images into position?
[02:25] <kkathman> oh I didnt say I like it for WYSIWYG
[02:25] <kkathman> I just said it does PHP
[02:25] <Jucato> heh
[02:25] <spawn57> it's not much good for WYSIWYG
[02:25] <emilsedgh> it does some VPL, but its not really WYSIWYG
[02:25] <kkathman> and real programmers dont do WYSIWYG :)
[02:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:26] <spawn57> I don't understand quanta's template features
[02:26] <kkathman> exactly I dont ever use WYSIWYG for many reasons
[02:26] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: welcome back :)
[02:26] <kkathman> even when I used Dreamweaver I didnt
[02:26] <BluesKaj> thx emilsedgh
[02:26] <Alp`> best are eclipse and aptana in my opinion
[02:27] <emilsedgh> kkathman: dirty code that you never understand :D, also there is no framework/cms that accepts plain html
[02:27] <kkathman> But then I purchased Zend a few years ago and thats what I use professionally
[02:27] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  bingo - exactly correct
[02:27] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  and browser compatibility issues
[02:28] <emilsedgh> kkathman: no no no, IE incompatibility issues :(
[02:28] <combo> from time to time my kubuntu(7.04) is getting crashed - screen is deformated (with colours) and keyboard doesn't respond... what might be the reason ??
[02:28] <BluesKaj> wysiwyg is ok on office and applications progs where you need to show stats etc , otherwise ...?
[02:28] <kkathman> yeah well :) hehe
[02:28] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  neither of which have much chance of coming true I fear
[02:29] <Jucato> combo: using Beryl or Compiz or something?
[02:29] <combo> Jucato: NO WAY!
[02:29] <emilsedgh> kkathman: lol ;)
[02:29] <kkathman> but I have some nice little script inclusions that nullify some IE probs
[02:29] <kkathman> but not all
[02:29] <combo> Jucato: but last time when i was using i experienced similiar problems :/
[02:29] <Jucato> combo: ok....
[02:29] <combo> but not this time... :) only fglrx install for my ATI 9600
[02:30] <kkathman> But Quanta supports alot of nice PHP things - including CSS (although its kinda hidden and could be improved)
[02:30] <emilsedgh> kkathman: png support killed me :( there is still no-way to use png background-images in css files, I think we're offtopic
[02:31] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  I might be able to help you I have a script to fix that
[02:32] <emilsedgh> kkathman: no, there is no js that makes this work (png background-images defined in external css files)
[02:32] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  well it works for me :)
[02:33] <BluesKaj> combo , try the new experimental ati driver ..it'll work well on your Radeon 9600 : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[02:33] <kkathman> I use pngs in external css files all the time with no problems in IE
[02:33] <kgx> has anyone had any issues with sounds with recent set of updates. i haven't listened to music for a 3 weeks now (yikes!) and all my music and videos sound really weird :\
[02:33] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: It probably won't
[02:33] <emilsedgh> kkathman: really? so could you please send it to me (is that GPL compatible?) emilsedgh gmail com
[02:33] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: the new driver is for r500/r600
[02:34] <BluesKaj> Chousuke, it does on my x200G
[02:34] <combo> BluesKaj: i am not sure about those drivers... last time when i was installing drivers from a downloaded file - everything went hell :/
[02:34] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: x200 is a r500
[02:34] <Chousuke> AFAIK at least
[02:34] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: 9600 is r300, which runs with a different free driver
[02:34] <Chousuke> with 3d support too
[02:35] <BluesKaj> Chousuke, it's in the list of supported cards
[02:35] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  its a js called pngfix.js  -  send me your email in pm and I'll pass it along
[02:35] <kkathman> you might can just google it  - thats how I found it
[02:35] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: hm, I thought you were talking about the open source driver.
[02:35] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: anyway, 9600 has a free driver too
[02:35] <Chousuke> :/
[02:36] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm
[02:36] <khaije1> !bluetooth
[02:36] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:38] <BluesKaj> combo,, the site will direct you to the 8.40.4 ..as it did for me but I took a chance and tried the 8.41.7 version and it does 3D DRI and frames at 50% higer rate
[02:38] <emilsedgh> kkathman: I tried this, it didnt work, then I developed another one, but its a few weeks that i didnt touched it, its not working yet...
[02:38] <BluesKaj> just click on the HD cards like the 2900
[02:39] <combo> BluesKaj: but if i have already installed fglrx from site help.ubuntu.com - how to remove them then ?
[02:39] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  dunno why it works great for me  - now I dont test in anything before IE 5 so if you tried IE4 maybe it doesnt
[02:39] <combo> !ati
[02:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:39] <combo> BluesKaj: that was this site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI veriosn for EDGY
[02:39] <kkathman> emilsedgh:  I use tons of pngs in backgrounds in CSS
[02:40] <emilsedgh> kkathman: this fix never works for ie4, I tested with IE5/6 (i havent windows, Im asking friends to give me screenshot :D)
[02:40] <osh_> Now THIS is a great idea. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/bountypledges
[02:40] <kkathman> yeah I dont program anything for IE4  its just not worth it - same reason I dont program anything for less than 1024 x 768
[02:40] <kkathman> its just not feasible for my clientelle
[02:41] <combo> BluesKaj: hope this is safe as u're saying cuz this version is not in repos YET :)
[02:41] <spawn57> kkathman: gotta kepe in touch with you, I really like quanta would love to find out how to use it better =P
[02:41] <BluesKaj> combo, there's a short tutorial on 'how to install " https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[02:41] <combo> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[02:42] <kkathman> spawn57:  Im usually in the buntu channels  - not hard to keep in touch :)
[02:42] <spawn57> gothcha
[02:42] <combo> BluesKaj: but one more thing: how to restore my present settings if something goes wrong ?
[02:42] <combo> BluesKaj: just want to make sure :)
[02:42] <BluesKaj> combo. if you are on an office pc then no don't do it , but if you have a bit of time and it's not going screw things up for other ppl , then ok ...otherwise stick with what you've got
[02:43] <martijn81> what is the purpose of feisty proposed?
[02:43] <combo> BluesKaj: ok, i'm gonna play with that.. like new experiences :D
[02:43] <BluesKaj> yeah
[02:43] <combo> BluesKaj: one more time - THX :)
[02:43] <USMarine> martijn81 packages proposed to get into the main stream
[02:44] <Jucato> martijn81: packages to be tested for feisty. aka. unstable/testing
[02:44] <elo_> sup ppl
[02:44] <elo_> anybody have any experience installing enlightenment?
[02:45] <elo_> i am following this guide:
[02:45] <elo_> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=520.new
[02:45] <elo_> adil@kubuntu:~/e17$ sh easy_e17.sh
[02:45] <elo_> easy_e17.sh: 42: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[02:45] <elo_> thas what i got
[02:45] <combo> how to add trash icon to Desktop ??
[02:45] <combo> just want to remove it from panel and put on Desktop
[02:46] <martijn81> Jucato: thus not for normal users?
[02:46] <Jucato> elo_: since you got it from that sitey, you might want to try asking in #LFD
[02:46] <elo_> ok cool
[02:46] <martijn81> how should an docbook be read?
[02:46] <Jucato> martijn81: not unless you're willing to potentially break something or have something that potentially crashes and stuff
[02:46] <elo_> thankc Jucato
[02:48] <Phlogi__> why does session restoring in firefox not work here? I even tried tab mix plus extension with no luck..... anyone has an idea?
[02:48] <martijn81> Jucato: how are they called in adept? pre-release updates?
[02:49] <Jucato> let me check
[02:49] <Jucato> but I think so
[02:49] <elo_> err thanx
[02:49] <elo_> yea its called pre-released
[02:49] <BluesKaj> Phlogi__, why not just leave FF open when logging off, it should restore when you log back in .
[02:49] <Phlogi__> BluesKaj: hmm yes firefox itself is restored but not the tabs in it....
[02:50] <elo_> lol
[02:50] <elo_> thats what he means
[02:51] <BluesKaj> Phlogi__, bookmarks :)
[02:54] <BluesKaj> thx genii... timbits for sugar lovers !
[02:56] <genii> Thats what i forgot, timbits :)
[02:58] <BluesKaj> not a donut fan, but i like one occasionally
[02:58] <elo_> Krispy Kreme > *
[02:59] <Jucato> yummy
[02:59] <Jucato> but off topic :)
[02:59] <thomax__> hi, I've got a 5button mouse, where can I globally configure them? I can't seem to find it
[02:59] <genii> !mouse
[02:59] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[02:59] <thomax__> thanks
[03:00] <BluesKaj> Krispy Kreme couldn't cut it in Canada against Tim Horton's ...they're pulling out :)
[03:00] <genii> BluesKaj: LOL , yeah I recall
[03:00] <Jucato> (we have those here)
[03:00] <Jucato> you guys are making me hungry and itching to raise the !ot flag
[03:01] <BluesKaj> i wasn't too impressed ...really nice first bite but fatty tasting after that
[03:02] <genii> Anyone have some support issue? (Thought I'd ask before we get !ot'd)
[03:02] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:02] <Jucato> :P
[03:03] <Jucato> let's enjoy some moments of quiet... coz we might get flooded later :)
[03:03] <Jucato> enjoy it while you can
[03:05] <wesley> i hope Kdenlive will improve alot
[03:06] <Alp`> well ssh with konqueror is good, but i cant connect to ftp. with filezilla and same login-data it works
[03:07] <JuJuBee> Im working in a classroom using nis.  I need to give my students sudo access for a specific comand.  How do I do that?
[03:07] <Dj|Nyu> nyu
[03:08] <emilsedgh> Alp`: I never seen problem with FTP and kde, I think youre doing something wrong
[03:09] <Alp`> emilsedgh: ok, but what could be wrong? hostname, user and password are 100% correct
[03:09] <Phlogi__> how can I get mp3 support in amaork?
[03:09] <Phlogi__> BluesKaj: I guess ubuntu just messed up firefox somehow
[03:10] <Jucato> Alp`: are you using sftp:/  >
[03:10] <USMarine> install libxine-extrapluins
[03:10] <emilsedgh> Alp`: whats the error?!
[03:10] <Jucato> are you using sftp:/
[03:10] <genii> JuJuBee: You put them into a group which is allowed limited sudo access, then make entries in the /etc/sudoers file (with the command visudo) for only the commands you want them to be able to run. there are many examples online
[03:10] <Jucato> Phlogi__: install libxine-extracodecs
[03:10] <Alp`> Jucato: i use ftp://
[03:10] <emilsedgh> Phlogi__: install libxine-extracodecs
[03:10] <JuJuBee> genii : what do you mean limited sudo access?  Where do I define this?
[03:10] <emilsedgh> too late :)
[03:11] <Alp`> error is: no connectin to host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[03:11] <JuJuBee> genii : must I use visudo?
[03:11] <Phlogi__> thank
[03:11] <Phlogi__> s
[03:11] <thomax__> JuJuBee: jes
[03:12] <JuJuBee> Also, I am assuming I edit the /etc/sudoers on teh workstations as well as add them to the group on the workstation?  Their accounts do not exist on teh workstation, only on the nis server.
[03:12] <JuJuBee> s/teh/the
[03:12] <BluesKaj> Phlogi__, are you using ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[03:12] <Jucato> JuJuBee: never edit the sudoers file directly. use visudo
[03:13] <JuJuBee> K, but on the server or workstation?
[03:13] <Jucato> I mean anywhere... never edit /etc/sudoers directly :)
[03:13] <thomax__> JuJuBee: server if that is where they have to execute the commando
[03:13] <genii> JuJuBee: The reason for visudo is that the /etc/sudoers file has special permissions which can get messed up if you use a regular editor on it. If the command is to be run locally then the local workstation sudoers file needs the alteration
[03:14] <genii> JuJuBee: I'll see about finding you a howto
[03:15] <JuJuBee> Thanks, I think that nis is adding a layer of complexity that I am not getting.  I am looking to get the students to run sudo shutdown now from the konsole on the workstation.  The problem is, the student account does not exist on the workstation.  Their logins are via nis on the server.
[03:15] <thomax__> uhm
[03:16] <genii> JuJuBee: There is a good man page here http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html and some useful examples here http://www.pixelseventy2.net/pixel/SudoAndSudoers.page
[03:17] <JuJuBee> Thanks genii .
[03:17] <emilsedgh> my sd card reader is not working, any idea? its ricoh :)
[03:17] <genii> JuJuBee: If the commands are being run on a remote box, the sudoers file there is what needs altering
[03:18] <JuJuBee> So how do I add a user to the list of sudoers if that user does not exist on the computer?
[03:18] <JuJuBee> NIS is confusing me.
[03:18] <Agent_bob> i have an issue.   running lilo returns  "Floating point exception"    and i'll have to run it before i can boot the system.
[03:18] <thomax__> emilsedgh: put in de sd card an then give output of folowing console command : dmesg | grep mmc
[03:19] <Agent_bob> or should i say reboot it.
[03:19] <emilsedgh> nothing thomax__ :)
[03:19] <JuJuBee> Genii : this looks good, thanks again.
[03:19] <thomax__> uhm
[03:19] <genii> JuJuBee: With NIS, yes it begins to get fuzzy. Perhaps as a test put an NIS name in the server's sudoers file and see if it can work. Otherwise it may need some other approach
[03:21] <thomax__> emilsedgh: did it ever work before on your machine
[03:21] <thomax__> ?
[03:21] <genii> JuJuBee: I am looking now on google for nis/sudo specific
[03:21] <emilsedgh> thomax__: dunno, never tried :)
[03:21] <Agent_bob> anyone know anything about this ?
[03:22] <thomax__> emilsedgh: it's possible that it's not supported, try google with: <your device nam> linux support
[03:22] <thomax__> name*
[03:22] <osh_> Agent_bob: what does lilo -v yield?
[03:23] <emilsedgh> thomax__: it looks like many had this problem on ubuntu, its a bug
[03:23] <osh_> Agent_bob: "lilo -v", no quotes.
[03:23] <thomax__> emilsedgh: don't know, my sd card reader works just fine
[03:23] <Agent_bob> Floating point exception
[03:24] <osh_> Agent_bob: This was after an upgrade?
[03:24] <thomax__> Agent_bob: use grub?
[03:24] <emilsedgh> thomax__: is that a 'Ricoh'? grep -i Ricoh please :)
[03:24] <Alp`> where can i setup active/passive mode in konqueror for ftp connections?
[03:25] <Agent_bob> thomax__ how to install it on hda (no partitions)   and i'll gladly use it
[03:25] <genii> JuJuBee: Something about it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394017
[03:25] <Agent_bob> osh_ no this was after rebuilding the initrd
[03:25] <thomax__> emilsedgh: nop no ricoh, that's why I said search google with your device name
[03:25] <osh_> Agent_bob: I'd say your lilo is screwed. Bring out your rescue-cd and reboot. If it doesn't work, reboot from rescue-cd. Make a chroot on the right disk and run lilo -v from there.
[03:25] <emilsedgh> thomax__: thanks, im searching :)
[03:26] <Jucato> Alp`: System Settings -> Network Connection -> Connection Preferences
[03:26] <osh_> Agent_bob: Uhm, my bad. Try a "lilo -t"
[03:26] <Agent_bob> osh_ heh me to   except that's not it
[03:26] <Alp`> Jucato: thx
[03:26] <Agent_bob> osh_ same   Floating point exception
[03:27] <Agent_bob> what's the command to update the modules ldso-cache  or what ever it is ???
[03:28] <osh_> Agent_bob: So lilo isn't usable at all.  I'd say reboot but be prepared for a rescue mission.
[03:28] <thomax__> Agent_bob: use live cd, go in to terminal, ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 or f3 ... f6, sudo grub, root (hd0,1), setup (hd0), quit
[03:28] <Agent_bob> osh_ not atm  no.
[03:28] <genii> JuJuBee: You can also use the method found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11006 to add whichever users to a group (in their case it was the audio group but it can be any group you create/have ) which you then in the sudoers file give rights to execute only limited programs or so on
[03:28] <Agent_bob> thomax__ won't work   there is no (hd0,*)
[03:28] <ubuntu> how would i mount an HP Pavillion notebook HD
[03:29] <osh_> Agent_bob: good luck.
[03:29] <thomax__> it will work
[03:29] <Agent_bob> thomax__ it will not,  i've tried that.
[03:29] <thomax__> ah okay
[03:29] <genii> Agent_bob: Perhaps sudo depmod
[03:29] <Agent_bob> thomax__ grub has to have a partition
[03:29] <Alp`> its weird. i cant connect to a ftp server with konqi...
[03:29] <blubb> anyone using ipod with amarok? Whenever I try to move files to the ipod from amarok it says it could not copy the file. What could I try?
[03:29] <Agent_bob> genii yes depmod   ty.
[03:30] <Agent_bob> thomax__ and like i said i don't have any partitions.
[03:30] <thomax__> blubb: sell the ipod and buy a decent mp3 player ?
[03:30] <Agent_bob> so grub is out.
[03:30] <thomax__> Agent_bob: weak
[03:31] <Agent_bob> yep   grub is weak.
[03:31] <ubuntu> Creative makes a comparable MP3 player, With radio tuner, AND no copy protection on the mp3s
[03:31] <thomax__> lol, let's go for some ipod bashing ^^
[03:31] <Alp`> why is grub bad?
[03:32] <Agent_bob> Alp` i didn't say it was bad,  it has it's place,  it just can't be installed on a partitionless hd
[03:32] <cheryl^^> right then, can anyone tell me how to mount a HD in an HP notebook
[03:32] <Alp`> Agent_bob:  i understand. thats not ideal...
[03:33] <thomax__> cheryl^^:  sudo mount /dev/<device> /media/<mountpoint>
[03:33] <Agent_bob> i guess it depends on who's idea of ideal  :)
[03:33] <cheryl^^> thank you thomax__
[03:34] <genii> cheryl^^: If the filesystem is not ext type you may need something like -t <FSTYPE> after the mount command
[03:34] <chirawoot> 
[03:34] <chirawoot> 
[03:34] <thomax__> !mount
[03:34] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:35] <mefisto__> cheryl^^: and if it's a ntfs partition and you need write access, you might want to install ntfs-3g
[03:35] <thomax__> mefisto__: is that stable yet?
[03:36] <Agent_bob> genii i think cat /proc/filesystems reviels the types that "do not need" type specified   iirc
[03:36] <cheryl^^> i cant find  what  <device> it is
[03:36] <mefisto__> thomax__: yes, that's what they say. And I've been using it since it was declared stable with no probs
[03:37] <thomax__> cheryl^^: usually hda1 or sda1
[03:37] <cheryl^^> ty again
[03:37] <Agent_bob> cheryl^^   cat /proc/partitions
[03:37] <Agent_bob> cheryl^^ or   sudo fdisk -l
[03:37] <genii> Agent_bob: Ah, good tip
[03:38] <Agent_bob> cheryl^^ either of those can find your hd/partition for you.
[03:38] <Agent_bob> or help you too.
[03:38] <cheryl^^> hrmm, Ty, I sort of got it, but now Permission is denied LOL
[03:39] <thomax__> sudo
[03:39] <khaije1> what does the 'sys' field in top actually refer to... is it the kernel?
[03:39] <thomax__> khaije1: what?
[03:39] <mefisto__> cheryl^^: do you want to write to it?
[03:39] <Agent_bob> cheryl^^ do you mean permission denied on accessing the mounted fs   or permission denied trying to mount it ?
[03:40] <cheryl^^> no mefisto__ i just need access to the Wireless card drivers
[03:40] <cheryl^^> permission denied to access it Agent_bob
[03:40] <khaije1> thomax__: you know, when you are looking at system resources in top, there is a column for cpu usage and memory usage called sys
[03:40] <khaije1> just wondering what sys actually represents
[03:40] <Agent_bob> cheryl^^ kdesu konqueror   then you can browse it
[03:41] <thomax__> khaije1: true
[03:42] <khaije1> thomax__: not a big deal, but it made me curious where the line between usr and sys is drawn
[03:42] <cheryl^^> thank you , now the fun begins
[03:43] <cheryl^^> I need to read up on how to install the firmware from the windows driver into the ubuntu driver
[03:43] <cheryl^^> I do appreciate the Help  everyone, Thank you
[03:43] <natalia> csd1460
[03:44] <Agent_bob> tty24 [root#compaq:~]  lilo
[03:44] <genii> !ndiswrapper
[03:44] <Agent_bob> Floating point exception
[03:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:44] <Agent_bob> errr   i don't understand why just rebuilding the initrd made lilo quit working   !
[03:45] <genii> Lilo ...brrrrrrrr
[03:45] <cheryl^^> i just did a search to find it .. ubuntu +broadcom +wireless
[03:45] <Agent_bob> ran it    worked fine.    made new initrd.img       tried to run it.   no dice
[03:46] <genii> Ben so long since i worked with lilo. Don't you need to do something like liloconfig or such after adding images?
[03:47] <Agent_bob> already the newest version     --reinstalling lilo      same error,   "Floating point exception"    it's not lilo.   but i dont know what it is....
[03:48] <Agent_bob> genii not when using the same filename.  i over-wrote the /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`  file.
[03:48] <Agent_bob> that's why it's an absolute must   that i run lilo before it will boot.
[03:49] <Agent_bob> if i could find what is causing the  "Floating point exception"     i could probaly fix or at least work around   it
[03:50] <genii> You could revert it to the factory initrd if you backed it up, or reinstall the problemmatic one with --reinstall i suppose, at least to get it functional again
[03:51] <elo_> can somebody help me install?
[03:51] <elo_> err
[03:51] <elo_> can somebody help me install enlightenment?
[03:52] <Jucato> elo_: no luck at #LFD ?
[03:52] <elo_> ya no jucato
[03:52] <elo_> they told me that howto on their site is old
[03:52] <Agent_bob> genii no you can't.   lilo reads a block adderess   you touch the inode and that changes  thus you rerun lilo
[03:53] <elo_> and in all reality it combined two different methods
[03:53] <Jucato> :)
[03:53] <elo_> leaving me stuck half way between the two
[03:53] <elo_> half way with apt-get
[03:53] <elo_> then it just switches to CVS
[03:53] <Jucato> not really good to mix  methods...
[03:53] <genii> Agent_bob: Not a good situation then
[03:53] <elo_> yea
[03:53] <Jucato> depends on what it's apt-getting
[03:53] <elo_> for real
[03:54] <Jucato> it might just be getting the dependencies to compile enlightenment
[03:54] <elo_> Code:
[03:54] <elo_> sudo apt-get install automake1.9 libcvsservice-dev imake build-essential libtool libltdl3-dev libxine-dev flex bison libtag1-dev libsqlite3-dev libtagc0-dev giblib-dev libxkbui-dev
[03:54] <Jucato> elo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu <--- try that
[03:54] <Jucato> elo_: ah yes, just installing dependencies and tools to compile
[03:54] <elo_> lol is this a new flavor?
[03:54] <Agent_bob> genii indeed.
[03:55] <elo_> an enlightenment flavor?
[03:55] <Jucato> not an official one
[03:55] <Jucato> 3rd party derivative distro
[03:55] <Agent_bob> i dismounted  /sys  /proc  and  all the dirs in /dev   same error
[03:55] <genii> Agent_bob: I suppose your /boot dir is not separated out either
[03:55] <elo_> thats leet
[03:55] <Agent_bob> genii no.  same disk
[03:56] <genii> ouch
[03:56] <Agent_bob> Jucato correct
[03:56] <mefisto__> what's the difference between the mount options "user" and "users"? the mount man page says "user" allows ordinary users to mount, and "users" allows every user to mount. What's the difference?
[03:58] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ user makes mount let the user that mounted it also dismount it   users allows all users to mount/dismount *
[03:58] <elo_> Jucato now that I have the dependencies
[03:58] <elo_> what do i need?
[03:58] <Agent_bob> in a nut shell of course  ^
[03:59] <Jucato> elo_: absolutely no idea
[03:59] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:59] <elo_> ok cool
[03:59] <Agent_bob> i'll make it a much smaller and compact dash
[04:00] <Agent_bob> nah just kidding.
[04:00] <Jucato> didn't you hate dash? :)
[04:00] <Agent_bob> no that was bash
[04:00] <Jucato> so you like dash? how about fish? zsh? bwahaha
[04:00] <Agent_bob> it's not fully posix compliant
[04:01] <Agent_bob> actually never messed with many other shells.  kcsh a little
[04:01] <Agent_bob> tcsh95   i think it is.   a time or two
[04:02] <Jucato> maybe time for POSIX to update? :)
[04:03] <Agent_bob> well maybe.  but it's not likely to happen   is it ???
[04:04] <Agent_bob> maybe a new POSIX   POSIXii  or something ?
[04:04] <blubb> how can I find what version of a package is installed on my system?
[04:05] <Chousuke> hmm
[04:05] <Chousuke> dpkg -l packagename I thikn
[04:05] <Jucato> POSX :)
[04:05] <Jucato> blubb: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[04:05] <Jucato> actually madison
[04:05] <Jucato> but both work :)
[04:06] <Agent_bob> you do realize that that is the reason so many .deb's are broken don't you.     if your /bin/sh is anything besides bash a lot of pre/post-inst/rm scripts break.  simply because writers use bashism (non-posix shell code) and call them #!/bin/sh
[04:08] <Agent_bob> which in most cases can be corrected by editing the first line of the script to  #!/bin/bash      some of the scripts are just plain sloppy codeing.
[04:09] <blubb> Jucato: thanks Jucato
[04:10] <blubb> gs-gpl
[04:10] <Agent_bob> like the script depending on some app starting with  update-rc.d    and the package not even actually having that app (what ever was supposed to start) as a dep.   now that's sloppy scripting...
[04:10] <Agent_bob> i'm ranting, aren't i ?
[04:10] <Jucato> duh!
[04:10] <blubb> How can I remove only the ghostscript packages but not the related cups and that stuff? I want to replace ghostscript with a newer version, because that one shipped with feisty has a bug.
[04:10] <Jucato> :)
[04:11] <jthomas> why do I have to reset my X at every bootup?  The xorg.conf file is created by nvidia-settings and works; I save it; the login screen is the correct resolution; but once I log in the resolution drops and I have to rerun nvidia-settings.
[04:11] <Agent_bob> well   sometimes i just need to vent.     ;/
[04:12] <Agent_bob> jthomas because kde saves it's rez settings in the users prefs ?
[04:12] <jthomas> Agent_bob: is that true or a guess?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> yeah
[04:13] <jthomas> ??
[04:13] <Jucato> did you check System Settings -> Monitor & Display?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> no it actually does.
[04:14] <jthomas> yes its set correctly there, Jucato.  Or at least it is now, after I've reset it.
[04:14] <blubb> How can I remove only the ghostscript packages but not the related cups and that stuff? I want to replace ghostscript with a newer version, because that one shipped with feisty has a bug.
[04:14] <Jucato> xorg.conf just gives the allowed range of resolutions to be used. then from KDE you can choose w/c one you want to use
[04:14] <TECKBW> hi all
[04:14] <Agent_bob> try changing it there and change it back to what it is.
[04:14] <sbologna> ciao
[04:15] <Agent_bob> Jucato and the default.     first listed in the default depth
[04:15] <Jucato> yep
[04:15] <Jucato> default for X if not set by anything else
[04:15] <Jucato> in which case, wouldn't work if KDE already set it
[04:15] <TECKBW> how can i get smooth fonts on kubuntu fiesty?  I have googled and found an apparent fix, but I can't because when I issue the command kedit ~/.fonts.conf says unable to connect to X server
[04:15] <jthomas> No matter what I change there, the screen remains at its current (correct) resolution, Jucato.
[04:15] <blubb> how can I build a .dep package then?
[04:16] <Agent_bob> i.e. you can make xorg start with a different size by re arranging the listings.
[04:16] <TECKBW> use alien
[04:16] <Agent_bob> jthomas "apply"  ?
[04:16] <TECKBW> blubb
[04:16] <jthomas> Agent_bob: yes i did that.
[04:16] <Agent_bob> k
[04:17] <mefisto__> don't you have to restart X to see a change in resolution?
[04:17] <Agent_bob> in that case i'll run hide in my lilo issue.
[04:17] <jthomas> It *starts* at the correct res, when the login screen comes up.  It doesn't get ugly until after I log in, during the starting of KDE
[04:17] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ no
[04:17] <TECKBW> alien -i package.rpm
[04:17] <Agent_bob> mefisto__   press ctrl+alt+[-] 
[04:17] <jthomas> hmm ok well maybe I applied it, even if it didn't change...  i'll find out tomorrow I guess when I get to work.
[04:17] <genii> All you need to know and much more about making .deb files http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[04:17] <mefisto__> Agent_bob: which will restart X, right?
[04:18] <TECKBW> blubb --> the command to use is alien -i /pathtopackage/package.rpm
[04:18] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ no...    change [-]  to [+]   to zoom back out.
[04:18] <mefisto__> oh wait, ctrl-alt and the minus key?
[04:18] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ yes
[04:18] <mefisto__> Agent_bob: ok thanks
[04:19] <TECKBW> any help on the smoothing of fonts...or to get kedit to work from command line ?
[04:19] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ that's just a "zoom" rez change.   but demonstrates the fact that restart of the xserver is not needed to change the rez
[04:19] <TECKBW> blubb --> install alien "sudo apt-get install alien"
[04:20] <TECKBW> blubb --> once installed issue the previous command to install direct from rpm package
[04:20] <blubb> TECKBW: and this will then update the ghostscript package? hmm then I shall search from rpm?
[04:20] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ notice you can still scroll around the desktop with the mouse at the edges
[04:21] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ pretty neet and useful for those things you can't quite see well enough.   ;/
[04:21] <TECKBW> huh!  not quite sure what ghostscript is...but I got my rpm's installed after googling and found commands for alien so I tried and hey it worked...some packages don't convert so well though
[04:21] <TECKBW> would need to download the source and build them
[04:21] <mefisto__> Agent_bob: so it's just working its way down the whatever is in the list in xorg.conf, right?
[04:22] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ yessir
[04:22] <Agent_bob> it will cycle if you keep hitting  C.A.+   or  C.A.-    it will circle around to where you were
[04:22] <blubb> I really think I need to compile it myself...
[04:25] <mefisto__> Agent_bob: it doesn't cycle, though. It stops at the first or last rez for me
[04:25] <cheryl^^> one more question, is there a way to setup my webcam to work in ubuntu
[04:26] <blubb> dammit... ubunt quite sucks
[04:28] <Agent_bob> oh my.   that was a one in ten billion long shot
[04:28] <blubb> or can anyone tell me how I can install a newer version of a package, compiled myself and accepted by apt-get...?
[04:29] <tim__> hi, I'v got a webcam (philips spc300nc) which I want to get working. I found a thread on how to do it (at end), which appears to be from 2005. It looks like a precursor to the restricted driver manager. anyone advise is there a new way of installing this device (philips webcam)
[04:29] <tim__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107922&page=3
[04:29] <Agent_bob> rebuilding the initrd.img   it actually wrote it back at the exact address.      tell me how likely that is to happen again ?
[04:29] <Agent_bob> !webcam
[04:29] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:29] <tim__> tnks
[04:29] <genii> work, AFK 3-4 mins
[04:29] <cheryl^^> ty
[04:30] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hi
[04:30] <Agent_bob> not sure that will help tim__   but it's worth a shot
[04:30] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[04:30] <groove> HI
[04:30] <groove> XD
[04:30] <Agent_bob> groove
[04:31] <groove> dime
[04:31] <TECKBW> anyone that can help to get smooth fonts to work on fiesty
[04:31] <TECKBW> I tried to kedit ~/.fonts.conf but kedit wont run from command line
[04:32] <poison--> morning
[04:32] <TECKBW> says "error starting xserver or somthing"
[04:32] <TECKBW> never mind...started working when i issued the command again
[04:33] <deviance> Bunch of Kernal updates, should I upgrade? Now risk of anything bad happening?
[04:33] <walkover> does anyone know if adobe will release a flashplayer for 64bit linux anytime soon?
[04:34] <emilsedgh> walkover: why you do not try gnash?
[04:34] <walkover> well i will now ;D thanks emilsedgh
[04:35] <emilsedgh> walkover: try 0.8.1, should be really better
[04:35] <emilsedgh> walkover: 0.8.1 supports flv playback (youtube) I think
[04:36] <kaminix|benkyou> Why won't "mplayer ourselves.VOB -endpos 00:04:48 -dumpstream -dumpfile testourselves.vob" cut the videofile ourselves.VOB at 4:48 and dump it in testourselves.vob?
[04:37] <walkover> thanks again emilsedgh
[04:38] <emilsedgh> np walkover
[04:39] <walkover> do you know if 0.8.1 is available as a deb package
[04:40] <emilsedgh> walkover: dunno, lemme search, if i found, i will tell you
[04:40] <testapi32> IN WinXP the router and net card are detected automatecly and from first run you have internet connection... in ubuntu i just cant seem to do that... where should i start with fixing the problem ? (i have an on board network card and a tp-link router)
[04:40] <walkover> np ill search myself.. dont bother
[04:41] <blubb> how can list all the files installed by a package?
[04:42] <emilsedgh> blubb: i think dpkg -L package
[04:43] <blubb> emilsedgh: yes thanks
[04:49] <wers> !best
[04:49] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:49] <wers> ooh
[04:49] <Jucato> wers: :P
[04:50] <poison--> mornin Jucato
[04:50] <Jucato> hi poison--
[04:50] <poison--> yesterday i applied some updates dat adept offered
[04:50] <Jucato> got samba working?
[04:50] <poison--> it completly screwed up kubuntu
[04:50] <Jucato> er...
[04:50] <poison--> had to recover from a vmware snapshot
[04:50] <poison--> yes, samba worked :D
[04:51] <poison--> eheheheh
[04:51] <poison--> to make samba work, i had to reboot and start with recovery mode as root
[04:51] <poison--> reinstalled samba and it worked fine
[04:55] <blubb> how can I tell apt-get to use gs-gpl and NOT gs-esp? Whenever I try to uninstall gs-esp then it wants to remove cups and everything
[04:56] <poison--> use adept
[04:59] <blubb> that does not help, or why? poison--
[05:00] <blubb> I'm using synaptics btw
[05:02] <poison--> try adept
[05:03] <blubb> poison--: ok now what shall I do in adept???
[05:04] <blubb> that does not help, oh damn
[05:05] <blubb> so it is not possible? :)
[05:06] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: are those packages depended?
[05:06] <poison--> if the packages are dependencies, u cant buddie
[05:06] <emilsedgh> ah, sorry BluesKaj, i mean blubb :)
[05:06] <poison--> or else everitin will be broken
[05:07] <blubb> poison--: but the description of gs-common says that it can use the gs-gpl.... but how can I make sure that it does when the gs-esp is still installed?
[05:22] <blubb> is there a package for acrobat reader?
[05:22] <jthomas> acroread
[05:22] <jthomas> in Universe I think
[05:23] <Jucato> you'll have to get it from Adobe
[05:23] <jthomas> ?  I didn't get it from Adobe
[05:23] <jthomas> and i just installed it yesterday
[05:23] <Jucato> !info acroread
[05:23] <ubotu> Package acroread does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:23] <jthomas> hmmm
[05:23] <Jucato> jthomas: are you sure you don't have 3rd part repos that distribute it?
[05:24] <jthomas> looking now
[05:24] <jthomas> but I didn't think so
[05:24] <Jucato> Ubuntu stopped distributing it from the repos because of distribution issues iirc
[05:24] <jthomas> yes, i do.  Sorry!  I have Medibuntu repos.
[05:24] <Jucato> :P
[05:26] <jhutchins> actually, it's been replaced by kpdf/xpdf.
[05:27] <jthomas> kpdf is WAY better, but I got an invoice from GoDaddy that KPDF couldn't open! :(
[05:27] <mefisto__> but you need acroread to fill out pdf forms. or is there a replacement now that can do that?
[05:28] <wers> !xfce
[05:28] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[05:28] <emilsedgh> actually, kpdf is replaced by Okular in KDE4 :P
[05:28] <Jucato> fwiw..the new Evince seems to be able to do PDF forms now
[05:28] <Chousuke> hmm
[05:28] <blubb> so no acroread available?
[05:29] <Chousuke> where can I get kde4? :P
[05:29] <jthomas> blubb: look into Medibuntu for a package
[05:29] <mefisto__> emilsedgh: do you know if Okular allows filling in pdf forms?
[05:29] <Chousuke> gutsy doesn't have it yet, right?
[05:29] <Chousuke> mefisto__: I think Okular and Evince might actually be using the same backend for PDF files.
[05:29] <Jucato> KDE 4 won't be released (final) until December (target)
[05:30] <emilsedgh> mefisto__: I think yes, from a few weeks ago...
[05:30] <Chousuke> mefisto__: I'm not sure though, but that would be a Good Thing :)
[05:30] <Jucato> not sure about that. Okular uses Poppler afaik. not sure about what Evince uses
[05:30] <emilsedgh> the backend is poppler iirc
[05:30] <Chousuke> yeah, I think evince uses poppler too
[05:30] <n8k99> xournal allows you to annotate pdfs, than export results to pdf
[05:31] <Chousuke> Jucato: how about a beta KDE4?
[05:31] <Jucato> !kde4
[05:31] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[05:31] <emilsedgh> yes, Okular supports filling pdf forms :)
[05:31] <brainwrck> hi
[05:32] <Chousuke> ah, excellent
[05:32] <brainwrck> anybody know how to play a movie that says Xvid.avi? Is not working with Kaffeine Mmplayer or VLC
[05:32] <Jucato> brainwrck: have you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[05:32] <brainwrck> Jucato: yes
[05:33] <wesley> i dont get it why the timeline preview does show anymore in kdenlive
[05:33] <Chousuke> I don't run Ubuntu as my main OS (I have a macbook) so I can experiment with stuff as much as I want <3
[05:34] <mefisto__> brainwrck: do you know if the file is ok? did you download it? is it definitely viewable, eg on another system?
[05:35] <brainwrck> xine: couldn't find demux fo
[05:35] <brainwrck> xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[05:35] <brainwrck>  xine: couldn't find demux fo
[05:35] <brainwrck> that's the message  I get
[05:35] <brainwrck> what's demux?
[05:36] <Chousuke> hmm
[05:36] <Jucato> demultiplexer iirc
[05:36] <Chousuke> I think I might not have enough space for KDE4 :/
[05:36] <Jucato> O.o
[05:36] <Chousuke> my ubuntu partition is only 5GB and it's mostly full.
[05:36] <Jucato> sudo apt-get clean :)
[05:36] <Chousuke> I'd install it on the external drive but the damn thing won't boot :P
[05:37] <brainwrck> mefisto__: yes it's a download
[05:37] <Chousuke> Jucato: apt-cache clean, but yah
[05:37] <Jucato> Chousuke: no. apt-get clean
[05:37] <Chousuke> wait, it was apt-get? :/
[05:37] <Chousuke> meh
[05:37] <Chousuke> makes no sense
[05:37] <Chousuke> aptitude <3
[05:38] <Chousuke> hmm
[05:38] <Chousuke> My windows partition is taking too much space, but I can't resize it anymore :/
[05:39] <elo_> lol
[05:39] <elo_> screwed
[05:39] <fignew> why can't you resize?
[05:39] <elo_> delete stuff
[05:39] <elo_> then resize it
[05:39] <Chousuke> fignew: well, it's full.
[05:39] <wesley> Backup your files and delete windows
[05:39] <Chousuke> and besides
[05:39] <elo_> lol
[05:39] <elo_> its full
[05:39] <elo_> good one
[05:39] <elo_> delete stuff
[05:39] <Chousuke> I could only create another partition from the freed space
[05:39] <elo_> oh
[05:40] <elo_> logical partitions are done?
[05:40] <fignew> you can also expand partitions :)
[05:40] <Chousuke> I suppose I might be able to
[05:40] <mefisto__> c:\windows is safe to delete I think, and will free up some space ;P
[05:40] <Chousuke> :P
[05:40] <Chousuke> I don't really care about the installation. only my highscores in a couple games
[05:41] <Chousuke> I should back them up and wipe it.
[05:41] <kaminix|benkyou> Is there anyway to install mplayer svn under a different name? Say a way to call it mplayer_svn?
[05:41] <Chousuke> Sucks though that Linux can't write to hfs+ partitions :P
[05:42] <brainwrck>  xine: couldn't find demux fo
[05:42] <brainwrck> what's demux?
[05:42] <Chousuke> brainwrck: demuxer
[05:42] <Chousuke> it means the splitter for the audio/video data in the container
[05:42] <Chousuke> I think
[05:42] <Chousuke> oh, subtitle data too
[05:43] <mefisto__> brainwrck: I don't think you're seeing the whole message. is there a details button?
[05:43] <tim__> heya, I am trying to get festival working. it pops the error "cannot open /dev/dsp". I'm guessing thats cos the sound deamon is controling it. I know that in enlightenment you can use esd to open a program, and that catches its /dev/dsp requests. in KDE I think we use ALSA (am I correct). Is there an equivilent command?
[05:43] <tim__> !festival
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about festival - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <tim__> !alsa
[05:43] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:44] <tim__> doesnt look useful, anyone?
[05:44] <Chousuke> KDE and gnome both need to get rid of arts/esd ;(
[05:45] <Jucato> Chousuke: gone in KDE 4
[05:45] <Jucato> technically
[05:45] <Chousuke> good.
[05:46] <Jucato> but fwiw... some devs say that arts is still able to outperform other alternatives. and during the time it was chosen, it was the best...
[05:46] <Jucato> that's according to them. I didn't live long enough to testify
[05:47] <mefisto__> r.i.p. Jucato
[05:47] <wers> I hope kde 4 is much faster than kde 3 :P
[05:48] <Chousuke> heh
[05:48] <Chousuke> kde3 seems to have some issues with UI lag
[05:48] <tim__> :) so any idea how I make the errant application use arts? it wants /dev/dsp, and works very occasionaly, i think when nothing else has grabbed the resource...
[05:48] <Jucato> wers: who said KDE is slow? :)
[05:48] <wers> Jucato: me, why?
[05:48] <Chousuke> it's not slow per se, but somehow the UI felt laggy.
[05:48] <Jucato> :P
[05:49] <Chousuke> especially when you select things from drop down lists
[05:49] <Jucato> tbh Kubuntu is a bit slow compared to some others... just imho
[05:49] <Chousuke> I don't know if it's just some feature that makes it seem like it has lag, but hmm
[05:49] <adz21c> Chousuke: since KDE4 should use Qt4 I think they made some big improvements to Qt4's rendering so should seema lil less slugglish
[05:49] <Jucato> wers: you definitely haven't tried Debian, MEPIS, PCLOS, or Gentoo, SLAX, Nimble-X
[05:49] <Chousuke> adz21c: well, it's quite snappy compared to how OS X can be sometimes :P
[05:50] <wers> I have tried debian, mepis, and pclos
[05:50] <kaminix|benkyou> If I just make mplayer in it's own dir without make install, I can still run it, right?
[05:50] <Chousuke> I'm just very very sensitive to lag
[05:50] <wers> yeah.. they are really faster
[05:50] <wers> I'm thinking of using only kde-core on gutsy
[05:50] <Chousuke> beryl was fun though
[05:50] <Jucato> wers: seen my guide? might be worth it
[05:50] <Chousuke> despite a few quirks with menus and their shadows
[05:50] <wers> Jucato, where?
[05:51] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kde-core.html
[05:51] <wers> If I can make KDE as fast as this Xfce desktop that I am using now, I would really be impressed
[05:51] <adz21c> Chousuke: Yea, unfortunately it seems to be really slow for me one of my monitors when using twinview, you can see it rendering the window ... infact u can see that happen when watching videos too, so i switched to Xinerama which beryl/compiz don't like apparently :(
[05:52] <wers> Nice one jucatskee, even more comprehensive than aysiu's
[05:52] <Jucato> wers: try the kde-core one. it just *might* be faster.
[05:52] <wers> hehehe
[05:52] <Chousuke> adz21c: I didn't even try setting up dual displays :P
[05:53] <Chousuke> adz21c: until it's as easy as on OS X I probably won't even try :/
[05:53] <BluesKaj> aRts is the basic app that alsa and kmix run on top of ,but it's getting old and clunky and the only way to set sound up on (K)ubuntu is to get both alsa and kmix setup in conjuction with each other, which in itself is frustrating and clunky as well.
[05:53] <Chousuke> adz21c: you know, plug in the monitor, and it works
[05:53] <adz21c> Chousuke: the nvidia settings manager provided by the latest nvidia driver makes it pretty easy
[05:54] <Chousuke> adz21c: the only thing I had to tune on OS X was the resolution. and even that I had to do only once, since it identifies and remembers settings for each individual device. :)
[05:54] <Chousuke> so if I take out my CRT and plug in the TV, it remembers the settings I had for the TV
[05:55] <Chousuke> that
[05:55] <adz21c> Chousuke: I just plugged in, launched the manager and just said, put this window this side and make it that bug, clicked apply and all was good with the world
[05:55] <Chousuke> that's how I wish it would work that well on Linux
[05:55] <adz21c> when i say window i mean't screen haha
[05:55] <Chousuke> I don't have nvidia btw.
[05:55] <adz21c> ok
[05:55] <Chousuke> (Intel)
[05:56] <Chousuke> But the macbook really is a damn good laptop to get if you want to use Linux
[05:56] <Chousuke> ~everything works out-of-the-box
[05:57] <Chousuke> and the few gripes I have with Feisty are already fixed in gutsy
[05:57] <mefisto__> what's the ati proprietary driver like these days? last time I tried using it to get tvout working, it made my main screen extremely white and washed out
[05:57] <Chousuke> they have two drivers nowadays
[05:57] <adz21c> my only gripe is my webcam doesn't work with kopete without applying a code patch
[05:58] <Chousuke> the new proprietary beta driver and the old piece of crap :P
[05:58] <Chousuke> and then the 2d-only free alpha-driver
[05:58] <Chousuke> which I hope will improve
[05:58] <mefisto__> so there are 2 proprietary drivers, along with the free one?
[05:58] <Chousuke> yes, AFAIK
[05:59] <WoLf00>    CiAo!! a TuTTi Di #kubuntu    < ~WoLf00 ScRiPt v.0.1~ > 
[05:59] <Chousuke> the old proprietary driver was so bad they apparently decided to redo it
[05:59] <mefisto__> anyone care to recommend the new ati driver? It would be great to finally get tvout AND my monitor working together
[05:59] <Chousuke> something good to come out of AMD buying ATi :)
[06:00] <Chousuke> not to mention the specs :P
[06:00] <Chousuke> I'm still waiting for the 3d stuff though
[06:00] <djudd> hey i see that dolphin will become the default manager soon.  what if i like having konqueror as my file manager.  is there a way to keep it as default?
[06:00] <adz21c> djudd: yes i think there is
[06:01] <Chousuke> I can see why it'd take so long to release them though. 3d is an order of magnitude more complex than 2d :/
[06:01] <adz21c> djudd: I don't know how since i not used kde4, but if its anything like kde3 theres an area you can select default applications like messenger clients and email clients etc
[06:01] <Jucato> djudd: yes
[06:01] <mefisto__> djudd: yes, you just set whatever you want as default for opening directories
[06:02] <djudd> thank you
[06:04] <mefisto__> so is anyone so impressed with the new ati driver that they would recommend it?
[06:04] <Chousuke> mefisto__: would it hurt to try? :)
[06:05] <Jucato> just be sure you know how to go back...
[06:05] <mefisto__> Chousuke: it might hurt to revert to my current driver. I don't want to bother if it's not worth it
[06:08] <poison--> man, running kubuntu with vmware rocks
[06:08] <poison--> free to screw it, cause theres always a backup
[06:08] <poison--> lmao
[06:12] <yuan> hello AV8D
[06:12] <mefisto__> I've moved a window to deskop 2 while using beryl, and I can't get to desktop 2. Is there a way to find that window, bring it back in view?
[06:14] <K39> ...
[06:14] <tim__> does kubuntu use arts or alsa?
[06:14] <Jucato> both
[06:14] <mefisto__> tim__: both
[06:14] <tim__> oh...
[06:14] <Jucato> KDE uses arts for notifications (only afaik)
[06:14] <tim__> is there an artsdsp for alsa?
[06:15] <tim__> it tricks old non sound deamon programs into using arts
[06:15] <Jucato> oh...
[06:16] <tim__> so you go "artsdsp myOldProgram" and it works
[06:16] <mefisto__> so you want something like alsadsp? what problem are you trying to solve?
[06:17] <Chousuke> most not-horrendously-outdated programs should support alsa or something though.
[06:19] <tim__> I'm trying to get festival or flite working
[06:19] <marx2k> Does anyone knowwhen KDE4 is coming out?
[06:19] <tim__> er, there is something called aoss
[06:19] <tim__> which I think is an artsdsp for alsa, but I didnt know there was an alsadsp
[06:19] <emilsedgh> marx2k: current release date is for december...
[06:20] <marx2k> whoa... thats pretty far out
[06:20] <emilsedgh> KDE4.0 marx2k, KDE4 means KDE 4.0, 4.1, 4.x
[06:20] <marx2k> <- still using 3.5.6 :)
[06:20] <allee> hi, is it possible in kicker to get bigger icons in kicker on mouse over?
[06:20] <deviance> N
[06:20] <deviance> No, you could get a dock though
[06:21] <DexterF> !tv
[06:21] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[06:23] <allee> deviance: oh, dock seem to be broken in gutsy.  No reaction on RMB and droping an app icon does not work too :(
[06:23] <deviance> cooldock?
[06:23] <deviance> Download it from adept
[06:23] <Jucato> allee: dock application panel? that's only for windowmaker apps
[06:23] <deviance> Or awn, if you can, is a good fock
[06:23] <deviance> dock*
[06:24] <deviance> https://launchpad.net/awn
[06:24] <Jucato> !info kooldock
[06:24] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[06:24] <Jucato> !info ksmoothdock
[06:24] <ubotu> Package ksmoothdock does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:24] <Jucato> hm..
[06:25] <Jucato> kxdocker is definitely broken
[06:25] <allee> Jucato: hi :)
[06:25] <Jucato> hi allee! :)
[06:25] <Jucato> the large balloons that appear when you hover over an app doesn't work for you? :)
[06:25] <deviance> Jucato: Does Avant Window Navagtor need Compiz Fusion or anything like that
[06:25] <Jucato> deviance: I don't really know
[06:25] <allee> Jucato: and the dock of kicker too :)
[06:26] <deviance> The tooltip doesnt work? Hmm
[06:26] <Jucato> allee: if you mean the Dock Application Bar, that really doesn't work unless you have WindowMaker apps
[06:26] <Jucato> allee: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kicker/dock-application-bar-extension.html
[06:26] <deviance> !info kooldock
[06:26] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[06:27] <deviance> There you go, that one works :P:
[06:27] <deviance> And so does:
[06:27] <deviance> !info avant-window-navigator
[06:27] <ubotu> Package avant-window-navigator does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:27] <deviance> yes it does...
[06:27] <Jucato> !awn
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <Jucato> hm..
[06:28] <allee> Jucato: RMB on kicker -> add New panel -> dock application bar. Strange that it's there at all when it need windowmaker????
[06:28] <Jucato> allee: it's an extension panel... sort of an extra.. but yes. strange
[06:28] <Jucato> luckily it won't survive
[06:28] <deviance> http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/pculture.org/miro/linux/repositories/ubuntu feisty/
[06:29] <deviance> Add that to the reppos and avant-window-navigator is a good dock
[06:29] <deviance> Oh wait that was for miro
[06:29] <deviance> Hmm
[06:29] <deviance> That reminds me, Miro isnt working atm
[06:29] <deviance> On my pc anyway
[06:30] <deviance> It just dies when I open it
[06:30] <xenol> plz can someone tell me where can i disable kwallet? its annoying for me :<
[06:30] <Jucato> xenol: right-click on the kwallet icon -> Configure Wallet -> uncheck "Enable wallet subsystem"
[06:31] <Jucato> it won't save any passwords from now on
[06:31] <Jucato> tie for be d
[06:31] <Jucato> er.. time* for bed*
[06:31] <allee> Jucato: nite!
[06:31] <Jucato> g'night allee! :)
[06:31] <Jucato> kthxbye
[06:31] <Jucato> :D
[06:32] <xenol> gn
[06:34] <ubuntu_> How do I install Beryl on Kubuntu ?
[06:35] <ubuntu_> Is anyone install it ?
[06:35] <kkathman> !beryl !ubuntu
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl !ubuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <kkathman> oops
[06:35] <kkathman> !beryl | ubuntu_
[06:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:35] <ubuntu_> Thanks
[06:36] <kkathman> ubuntu_:  but you might want to look at compiz-fusion, since beryl is a dead product now (more or less)
[06:38] <xenol> anyway i can disable bluetooth since i dont use it at all? :X
[06:38] <deviance> Hmm, I cannot connect to msn on Kopete, I could until a second ago, but it frozxe, so I closed it, now it wont open msn
[06:39] <emilsedgh> xenol: remove kbluetooth packages
[06:39] <mefisto__> deviance: me too, says there is a server error
[06:39] <deviance> AH, Im not the only one
[06:39] <deviance> mefisto__: Can you connect on meebo.com?
[06:39] <deviance> I could connect online, but not from Kopete
[06:39] <xenol> emilsedgh:  well when i want to do it it offers me kubuntu-desktop as well
[06:39] <deviance> Which is weird
[06:40] <emilsedgh> xenol: any other thing except kubuntu-desktop?
[06:40] <xenol> emilsedgh:  sec
[06:40] <mefisto__> I don't know what meebo.com is. a website, or IM service?
[06:40] <sep1318> hey all. I'm in the market for a new printer, and the epsonc120 was suggested. (i currently have a seemingly-dead c86) anything you guys can tell me? I can't find anything much on the tubes about whether or not it'll work in kubuntu-land.
[06:41] <stefan_c69> look, I have this weird problem
[06:41] <emilsedgh> mefisto__: try it :)
[06:41] <sep1318> mefisto__: it's a website that is a web service... sort of like pidgin built in ajax for the web.
[06:41] <deviance> mefisto__: Its a website thats online msn
[06:41] <xenol> emilsedgh:  done tyvm
[06:41] <stefan_c69> when I'm connected through my ethernet cable, i can use kontact to read my mail
[06:42] <emilsedgh> xenol: any other package is going to be removed except kubuntu-desktop?
[06:42] <mefisto__> deviance: yes, I can log in through meebo. hmm
[06:42] <deviance> mefisto__: Its working now
[06:42] <stefan_c69> but using wpa_supplicant, on the University WLAN here, I can't
[06:42] <deviance> Try again in Kopete
[06:42] <xenol> emilsedgh:  no it removed only kbluetooth but also showed kubuntu-desktop there
[06:42] <allee> xenol: when you exit kbluetooth, you asked it it should be autostarted. Say: no ;)
[06:43] <emilsedgh> xenol: kubuntu-desktop is nothing, just a metapackage that links to other packages to make the job of installing kubuntu easy
[06:43] <deviance> mefisto__: If its still not working, I can tell you how I fixed mine :P
[06:43] <xenol> allee: i rather remove it, since i dont use it at all =] 
[06:43] <xenol> emilsedgh:  ah thx for ur time and help
[06:43] <stefan_c69> does kontact look at the settings of knetworkmanager?
[06:43] <emilsedgh> np xenol :)
[06:44] <allee> xenol: wiht that as your guide line, it makes no sense to care about kbuntu-desktop
[06:44] <allee> xenol: so remove it
[06:44] <mefisto__> deviance: how did you fix yours?
[06:45] <stefan_c69> anyone?
[06:45] <deviance> Ok. Go Settings -> Configure -> Accounts -> Click your MSN -> Modify -> Connection settings -> Tick HTTP method
[06:46] <deviance> Then try to connect again,
[06:46] <xenol> hum does video/audio preview in konqueror also work on feisty?
[06:46] <deviance> It failed for me to connect, said server was busy, but when I unticked the HTTP box, it was working again
[06:48] <adz21c> Is anyone else having issues with kopete and msn?
[06:48] <inzeo> i'm having problems with kopete and konversation - they won't start when clicking on their shortcuts, usually causing a crash, but opening them through terminal works, but it takes a very long time
[06:48] <adz21c> I can't seem to connect properly
[06:49] <deviance> Work mefisto__?
[06:51] <mefisto__> deviance: I just got it to connect now. my http thing was already unticked, so I ticked it, and after a few attempts it worked
[06:52] <deviance> Yeah, that happend with me, mine was unticked, I ticked it and it failed, if you untick it again it will work normaly, well it should mefisto__
[06:52] <mefisto__> deviance: it's connected now using http method
[06:53] <deviance> Its less secure through http though
[06:54] <inzeo> i'm having problems with kopete and konversation - they take a very long time to actually start up after clicking their shortcuts, any suggestions??
[06:54] <adz21c> inzeo: have you tried launching via console and see if you get any warnings/errors
[06:54] <inzeo> adz21c: yes i have, and no errors/warnings display
[06:55] <inzeo> adz21c: i feel like they began becoming quite slow after I attempted to run the KDE groupware wizard
[06:55] <adz21c> inzeo: have you tried deleting their configs etc then?
[06:55] <mefisto__> deviance: I've got it connecting now with http method UNticked
[06:55] <deviance> :D
[06:56] <inzeo> adz21c: I was hoping to try that, but I'm not sure where to look to remove the configs
[06:56] <adz21c> inzeo: ~/.kde/share/config/*kopete* and ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete (that ones a dir
[06:57] <inzeo> adz21c: okay, thanks!  i will try that and get back to you
[06:57] <adz21c> delete them (or move them if you want to keep it to be safe) and see what happens when you launch kopete
[06:57] <Azzco> I'm trying to get kubuntu on a USB stick... I've got a problem moving a file:
[06:57] <Azzco> ubuntu@ubuntu:/cdrom/casper$ sudo cp filesystem.squashfs /media/usb/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[06:57] <Azzco> cp: reading `filesystem.squashfs': Input/output error
[06:58] <scheater5> azzco: I'm afraid I can't offer you much advice, but I can offer hope - I have done exactly that (that is, put a bootable kubuntu live cd on a usb drive)
[06:58] <jhutchins> There's something wrong with your source file.
[06:58] <scheater5> azzco: unfortunatly, it was about a year ago and I followed some instructions on the net which I can't seem to remember.  But take heart - it's possible
[06:59] <jhutchins> Is it mounted or something?
[06:59] <Azzco> Thanks scheater5, I'm trying to do it with feisty and I'm not sure if there's any difference compared to the previus versions
[07:00] <dhq> how do i rename multiple files
[07:00] <Azzco> jhutchins: /media/usb is the first partition on my usb drive if that's what you asked
[07:00] <jhutchins> Azzco: I wasn't asking anything, I'm trying to tell you that the source file you're trying to copy has a problem.
[07:01] <Azzco> Oh okay well I'm on the CD right now, one of the guides told me to do so...
[07:05] <Azzco> Okay thanks for the help jhutchinsI'll reboot into my normal install and try to do it from there
[07:08] <marx2k> Does Superkaramba require any special graphics processing or can it be run just with general linux drivers without compositing?
[07:09] <cloakable> marx2k: Can be run generally
[07:09] <emilsedgh> marx2k: it requires nothing :)
[07:09] <marx2k> And does anyone have a decent howto on how to install it?
[07:09] <cloakable> marx2k: sudo aptitude install superkaramba
[07:10] <cloakable> end howto
[07:10] <marx2k> haha didnt know it was in the repos :D
[07:10] <uga> I'd rather see a decent howto on how to use it... being it limited to desktop usage, it's rather useless here
[07:10] <uga> all covered by windows
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> i dont find it very usefull even when its not covered. :)
[07:10] <marx2k> :(
[07:10] <marx2k> does it run up the cpu?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> but i hear kde4 wll have a lot of improvements in the widget-desktop-area
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> marx2k it will a little of course. every program does.
[07:11] <hydrogen> thats the current buzz
[07:11] <hydrogen> but
[07:11] <cloakable> heh
[07:11] <hydrogen> I'll have to see it to believe it
[07:11] <marx2k> Hmm... installed... now what :() Now I would like to see the howto on using it too :)
[07:11] <uga> hydrogen: the new widgets are useful. That's true
[07:11] <uga> been using them
[07:11] <cloakable> Dr_Willis: Beside huge blobs with "could not load object"? ;)
[07:11] <hydrogen> uga: you mean the plasmoids?
[07:11] <uga> but still they go on the deektop, so far
[07:11] <uga> hydrogen: yes
[07:11] <hydrogen> uga: they have a long way to go before they become useful
[07:12] <hydrogen> to me at least
[07:12] <hydrogen> anyways
[07:12] <jmrebol> hola
[07:12] <hydrogen> I've got class
[07:12] <marx2k> Wait...actually... how DO I use Karamba?! :)
[07:12] <marx2k> Oh, i foudn the config for it
[07:12] <marx2k> n/m
[07:12] <uga> hydrogen: heh, my desktop is already covered with my cutest pics now =)
[07:12] <jmrebol> alguien habla espaol
[07:13] <jhutchins> !es | jmrebol
[07:13] <ubotu> jmrebol: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:13] <inzeo> adz21c: hmm, that didn't seem to fix the problem - any other thoughts?
[07:14] <inzeo> adz21c: one time it did give me an error after it crashed - something about...gsoapOpen failed or something like that
[07:15] <marx2k> So there's no way to get Karamba themes like clock onto my taskbar? :(
[07:15] <genii> uga: didn't get a chance to mess around with my home box last night, but sometime this week. I have a few other projects need my attention first
[07:15] <elo_> mew
[07:16] <cloakable> heh
[07:18] <uga> genii: heh, dont' worry. Lets see if I can get some time myself too
[07:20] <sainzeo> i'm getting the error, SOAP-ENV: VerisonMismatch when opening Kopete, any ideas?
[07:25] <sainzeo> i'm getting the error, SOAP-ENV: VerisonMismatch when opening Kopete, any ideas?
[07:26] <adam__> has anyone had problems trying to install (or even load the live cd) of kubuntu on a hp pavilion dv6xxx?
[07:28] <uga> adam__: do you see any errors? does it just stop? what happens?
[07:29] <dthacker-lt> how do I tell the desktop preview and pager to use desktop names instead of numbers?
[07:29] <adam__> uga: well i get to the point where you'd see kdm or kde logging in but the screen just goes blank
[07:29] <adam__> uga: i can't switch to a tty either
[07:30] <uga> adam__: try rebooting, and adding an option of vga that your monitor supports for tty. Like vga=791
[07:30] <uga> adam__: if that doesn't work, remove the "splash" and "silent" options
[07:30] <sainzeo> i'm getting the error, SOAP-ENV: VerisonMismatch when opening Kopete, any ideas?
[07:31] <uga> adam__: at least that should get you a tty
[07:31] <adam__> uga: ok thank you, i'll try that now
[07:31] <uga> adam__: F6 to change  boot options
[07:31] <uga> just in case
[07:33] <genii> sainzeo:according to http://www.cafeconleche.org/books/xmljava/chapters/ch02s06.html error indicates a command intended for version 1.2 being sent to SOAP version 1.1
[07:33] <sainzeo> genii: thanks! would you know how to fix this problem?
[07:33] <Davy_Jones> is there an image editing program that uses the kde libs?
[07:34] <dthacker-lt> Davy_Jones: Krita
[07:34] <adam__> Davy_Jones: and kolourpaint if you want some simpler
[07:34] <adam__> something*
[07:35] <Davy_Jones> thanks
[07:35] <LjL> and showfoto is very nice, although it doesn't allow you to *paint*
[07:36] <Davy_Jones> krita looks like photoshop
[07:36] <LjL> yeah but it kind of lacks a couple of hundreds of features right now
[07:36] <mefisto__> just been playing around with kooldock. are there others similar to kooldock? ie, that hide/popup
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> thers that AWN dock thing - i hear - but its veyr much a work in progress
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> !find dock
[07:37] <ubotu> Found: docker, haddock, kdocker, knetdockapp, kooldock (and 4 others)
[07:37] <jhutchins> uga: He could also disble kdm startup and start x manually for diagnostics.  vga=normal turns off framebuffer, which is better than trying to guess a usable mode.
[07:38] <jhutchins> uga: If he can switch to a console, he can kill kdm from there and try to fix it.
[07:38] <marx2k> ok I agree... Karamba looks nice but is only useful when you have your desktop showing
[07:38] <bomber> thats why i allways start x manually
[07:38] <genii> sainzeo: sorry for lag, was a flurry of activity here at work
[07:39] <bomber> doggone remote is at it again
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> i much perfer the  panel/sidebar method of desktop widgets
[07:40] <genii> sainzeo: Perhaps to try install or reinstall of package libsoap-lite-perl
[07:42] <poison--> genii sup
[07:42] <poison--> willis :D
[07:42] <poison--> how can i reste all samba configs?
[07:42] <poison--> reset even
[07:43] <uga> poison--: dpkg --reconfigure ?
[07:43] <walkover> i have downloaded some icons from kde-looks.org and it says in there that they are to be "manually copied" but where?
[07:43] <poison--> yoooo uga
[07:43] <poison--> my savier
[07:43] <poison--> lmao
[07:43] <uga> =)
[07:44] <adam__> walkover: ~/.kde/share/icons/[icon theme name] 
[07:44] <uga> poison--: oh, it's --configure, btw, not --reconfigure
[07:44] <walkover> oh! thanks
[07:44] <elo_> sup ppl
[07:45] <poison--> uga, no luck
[07:46] <uga> uhm :/
[07:46] <poison--> says theres erros
[07:46] <poison--> errors*
[07:46] <uga> oh, what errors
[07:46] <poison--> cant i just delete the *.conf file?
[07:46] <poison--> lmao
[07:46] <uga> lol
[07:47] <walkover> adam__: is it not supposed to show in the system settings->appearance when i have copied the icons?
[07:48] <poison--> root@takedown:~# dpkg --configure samba
[07:48] <poison--> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[07:48] <poison-->  package samba is already installed and configured
[07:48] <poison--> errors found during process of:
[07:48] <poison-->  samba
[07:48] <LjL> !paste
[07:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:48] <poison--> 5 lines.. and small ones :D
[07:49] <adam__> walkover:you need an index file, if you have some other icon folders in ~/.kde/share/icons/ you can steal one from them
[07:49] <wesley> guys id Linux mce for amd64 or only 32 bit?
[07:49] <walkover> well i dont :D
[07:49] <walkover> but ill look around for one
[07:51] <wesley> hello is the Linux mce for both amd64 and 32bit or only 32 bit?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Check the Linux MCE homepage i guess. I dont see why there would be a limit. Unless thers some codec issue.
[07:52] <poison--> gave up on mce one week ago
[07:52] <poison--> too much issues
[07:52] <Azzco> scheater5: I got my sisters computer to load my USB, it's been loading initrd.gz for ages now have you experienced this?
[07:54] <wesley> there doest stand if its amd64 or 32bit
[08:00] <legaw> how do i hide the menubar and the statusbar in konqueror from the config file and (or at least or) from the command line?
[08:03] <parsnip> hi all
[08:03] <parsnip> does anyone us ampache??
[08:04] <adam__> parsnip: if you mean apache and by that apache2, yes...
[08:04] <parsnip> adam__: its a web based media streaming daemon
[08:05] <adam__> parsnip: I'm well aware of that -_-
[08:06] <parsnip> adam__: sorry, long day at work :(
[08:06] <adam__> parsnip: if you go to http://please.mine.nu you'll see an example of it working
[08:07] <parsnip> adam__: i cant get the initail configuration done
[08:08] <garred0> hi
[08:08] <adam__> parsnip: ah ok (you really should just ask the question first)
[08:08] <garred0> i want to install kubuntu, but the bootmanager should be stored on my usb-pen, how to change the destination for the bootloader when installing?
[08:09] <parsnip> adam__: i'm gonna have a google round a bit
[08:09] <parsnip> adam__: i may be back
[08:09] <parsnip> adam__: :)
[08:09] <genii> parsnip: Appears perhaps some help here: http://ampache.org/forums/
[08:09] <adam__> parsnip: >.>
[08:09] <parsnip> adam__: cheers man
[08:16] <Neil3> oi oi
[08:20] <adam__> ok i finally got kubuntu installed by installing just a commandline version, problem is it never asked me for a username and password so how am i supposed to login now?
[08:21] <uga> anyone here tested Lotus Symphony?
[08:22] <r0lfito> Hola
[08:22] <r0lfito> Algun chileno?
[08:22] <uga> !es | r0lfito
[08:22] <ubotu> r0lfito: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:23] <ubuntu> anybody can help me/
[08:24] <ubuntu> I was upgrading my ubuntu system, but when I reboot my PC, it can't start the grub for Error 35 or similar...
[08:24] <ubuntu> anybody can say me how can I go to my ubuntu? now i-m a kubuntu livecd
[08:26] <uga> ubuntu: mount your partitions into /mnt
[08:26] <uga> like... mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[08:26] <uga> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/home
[08:26] <uga> for example
[08:26] <uga> then chroot /mnt
[08:26] <uga> and you'll be "inside" your machine, running your software
[08:26] <uga> you just need to fix and reinstall grub from there
[08:27] <uga> if I missed anything, please anyone let me know
[08:27] <uga> I think that's enough
[08:27] <kkathman> greetings uga :)
[08:28] <uga> wb kkathman
[08:28] <genii> maybe /mnt/home if thats where it's mounted
[08:28] <genii> (to chroot to)
[08:28] <uga> I always chroot to /
[08:28] <uga> I didn't think you could do that with home
[08:28] <uga> you tell it where the  new root (/) is
[08:29] <genii> uga: nvm, after re-reading scroll it seems clearer now
[08:29] <uga> my doubt is if there's anything else to do, so that grub reads the new machine configs, but I don't think so
[08:29] <BluesKaj> are there any compiz-fusion tutorials for kde , all i can find under google is gnome
[08:30] <genii> uga: heh, i caught on the screen: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/home then chroot /mnt
[08:30] <uga> genii: hehe, I just don't know why, but I always mount /home too =)
[08:30] <uga> there should be no need...
[08:31] <uga> unless you love your bashrc maybe
[08:31] <ubuntu> uga: I mount my /dev/hda3 on my desktop, on hda3 is my ubuntu system
[08:31] <ubuntu> i can into my ubuntu system yet
[08:31] <ubuntu> but only with livecd
[08:32] <uga> yes, but once mounted, if you type "chroot /mountpoint", you are running the software as if you had booted up properly
[08:32] <uga> using the live CD's kernel, but running "inside" your box
[08:33] <uga> then you can grub-install
[08:33] <BluesKaj> oh well, can't run it anyway ...can't run composite with google earth so eyecandy is out :)
[08:33] <uga> ubuntu: that will read your machine's grub/menu.lst configuration, and write it again to the MBR
[08:33] <uga> but don't run it from the live CD
[08:34] <uga> always after chrooting
[08:34] <uga> else it'll read the configuration and tools of the live CD, rather than your machine's
[08:34] <ubuntu> can you speake spanish uga? >_<
[08:35] <uga> un poquio. nete a #kubuntu-es
[08:35] <zipper> Hmm, i suspect one of my hdd's are dying... Anyone who can recommend a good tool for checking?
[08:35] <zipper> like, memtest86 for ram
[08:36] <mefisto__> zipper: do you know who the manufacturer is?
[08:36] <zipper> mefisto__, Western Digital
[08:37] <zipper> bought some "special server harddrives" which are supposed to last forever... they even offer a (limited) lifetime guarentee
[08:37] <zipper> can look up the specific model if you want?
[08:38] <mefisto__> zipper: http://support.wdc.com/download/
[08:38] <zipper> thanks
[08:39] <zipper> but thats for windows, hoped there was something similar to linux
[08:42] <genii> zipper: The Ultimate Boot CD has many vendor-specific drive checking tools, WD is one. www.ultimatebootcd.com
[08:42] <mefisto__> zipper: you might want this: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ but it has the same diagnostics program as the other link, only on a boot disk with a bunch of other useful stuff
[08:42] <mefisto__> genii beat me to it
[08:42] <zipper> okay i'll have a look, thanks
[08:43] <mefisto__> thanks genii, just what I need right now
[08:43] <genii> np
[08:44] <uga> sigh, I wish it were as easy as in irc taking women to private rooms ;)
[08:44] <uga> (joking)
[08:45] <uga> I hate privmsgs, that's why
[08:47] <styx_> hiya
[08:47] <mefisto__> uga: we need more info to diagnose your problem ;)
[08:49] <tdn> How do I submit feature requests for Kubuntu? Should I just submit them as bugs? Often I find that feature requests are just tagged "wishlist" and then ignored.
[08:49] <uga> mefisto__: lol
[08:51] <mefisto__> tdn: if it's not a bug but a feature request, there's no point in calling it a bug
[08:52] <tdn> mefisto__, I know, but *where* do I report feture requests?
[08:52] <marx2k> Why are most of the themes from kde-look.org compilable? Isnt there a repository of themes that can just be imported?
[08:53] <uga> marx2k: those aren't themes. They are styles
[08:53] <marx2k> I see
[08:53] <emilsedgh> marx2k: kde-style-*
[08:53] <uga> themes don't need coding, but styles are c++ source code that define how each button, scrollbar, border, line, etc are drawn
[08:53] <uga> including animations or whatever
[08:54] <uga> marx2k: you'll find tons of styles installable in kubuntu as .debs
[08:54] <uga> no need to compile them
[08:54] <marx2k> I have only found kde-style-lipstik kde-style-comix kde-style-klearlook kde-style-serenity kde-style-polyester
[08:54] <tdn> uga, tons? apt-cache search kde-style only gives me five?
[08:55] <marx2k> under aptitude's kde-style-*
[08:55] <uga> maybe I'm confused with the amount of kwin decos
[08:55] <uga> marx2k: which is the one you want to install
[08:55] <marx2k> uga: Oh Im going to install all of them
[08:56] <tdn> uga, what is the difference betweeen kde-styles and kwin-styles?
[08:56] <uga> tdn: kdeartwork-style - widget styles released with KDE
[08:56] <uga> don't forget that pack
[08:56] <uga> default kde ones
[08:56] <uga> tdn: kwin styles are the window decoration part
[08:57] <tdn> uga, and kde-styles are?
[08:57] <uga> the border of the window, its buttons...
[08:57] <uga> kde styles define every other widget inside the application: buttons, lists, toolbars, checkboxes, scrollbars...
[08:57] <tdn> uga, ok.
[08:58] <tdn> Then what if I need more splash screens?
[08:58] <marx2k> how does one use aptitude to install with wildcards? like "sudo aptitude install kwin-style-*"
[08:58] <tdn> s/need/want/
[08:58] <uga> tdn: that's just a picture drawing thing. I believe you have quite a few under kde-look.org, with instructions on how to install them
[08:59] <uga> marx2k: I don't think you can.. but maybe, dunno
[09:00] <tdn> uga, ok.
[09:00] <tdn> uga, what is the default Kubuntu style?
[09:00] <tdn> Is that lipstik?
[09:02] <uga> tdn: dunno what's default, but mine is polyester
[09:02] <tdn> I managed to change my current style to Serenity and I want it back, but I'm not sure which one I used before. Other than it was the default one.
[09:02] <uga> lipstik sounds more like a plastik based thing
[09:02] <sainzeo> hi all, in kopete, I'm able to create my groupwise account fine and see everyone, but I'm unable to start a chat with anyone - it gives me an error - any help?
[09:02] <uga> I don't think that's default
[09:04] <tdn> uga, is plastik the default one then?
[09:04] <hagabaka> marx2k: aptitude install '~n^kde-style-'
[09:05] <marx2k> whoa
[09:05] <marx2k> are there a bunch of theme packages too?
[09:05] <hagabaka> generally, ~nREGEXP
[09:05] <uga> tdn: that's default in kde
[09:05] <tdn> uga, yes, but what is in Kubuntu?
[09:05] <uga> tdn: no idea, but possibly Polyester is. Why care that much which is the standard? =)
[09:06] <tdn> uga, because I liked what I had before.
[09:06] <uga> tdn:  remove .kde and it'll default to the kubuntu defaults again ;))
[09:06] <genii> Yes, I just checked, it is Polyester
[09:06] <tdn> genii, thanks.
[09:06] <uga> genii: cheers
[09:06] <genii> np
[09:07] <Cequine> can someone please tell me how to find out what mount points i have pointing to which partitions?
[09:08] <hagabaka> /etc/mtab
[09:08] <tdn> Cequine, type "mount"
[09:09] <sainzeo> hi all, in kopete, I'm able to create my groupwise account fine and see everyone, but I'm unable to start a chat with anyone - it gives me an error - any help?
[09:10] <Cequine> ummm. not working.  i'm wanting to see something kinda like:  /hda1 -> swap  /hda2 -> /  /hda3 -> /home  etc
[09:11] <mefisto__> Cequine: try sudo fdisk -l
[09:12] <slackern> Cequine, blkid will show it too i guess
[09:12] <Phlogi_> is there mozplugger for ubuntu? :-p
[09:12] <marx2k> ok, so... where's a good deb repository for KDE styles?! :)
[09:13] <elo_> slackern ...
[09:13] <slackern> ^
[09:14] <slackern> ^^
[09:14] <elo_> err that was a pun for going to the bathroom and taking a shit
[09:14] <kkathman> marx2k:  go to kde-look.org and look for styles there
[09:14] <elo_> poor you
[09:14] <slackern> hehe
[09:14] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[09:14] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:14] <marx2k> kkathman: they want you to compile most of those :(
[09:14] <kkathman> marx2k:  some but not most
[09:15] <kkathman> baghira is in the repos tho
[09:15] <kkathman> marx2k:  besides - learning to compile things is a valuable piece of knowledge to have - so themes is a good start.
[09:15] <marx2k> Oh i know how to compile things, but installing via deb is easier :)
[09:16] <elo_> !ohmy ?
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ohmy ? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <kkathman> the only style that I am aware of that is in the repos is baghira - but there may be others
[09:17] <marx2k> :(
[09:18] <marx2k> brb
[09:19] <adam__> ok i'm booting my ubuntu commandline install and it keeps stopping after "setting up console font and keymap...            [ OK ] "
[09:20] <uga> kkathman: comix, clearlook, lipstik, qtcurve and serenity are
[09:20] <uga> kkathman: no baghira here, and ... actually I can't suggest its use
[09:20] <kkathman> uga its there
[09:21] <uga> it must be sourced from non-standard repos. Either that, or somebody couldn't port it to x64 ;)
[09:21] <kkathman> apt-cache search kwin-baghira
[09:21] <uga> oh, that's the windeco though, not the kde style
[09:21] <kkathman> right
[09:22] <uga> this is what's known as baghira, usually http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[09:22] <uga> for those kids loving white plastic boxes ;))
[09:22] <kkathman> uga everyone should compile a program and a kernel at least once :)
[09:22] <uga> errrm... what was the name... pear? =)
[09:22] <ScorpKing> hi ppl
[09:23] <Ajzo> how to create TRASH icon on Desktop ?? :] 
[09:24] <uga> Ajzo: heh, you too deleted it hah? =)
[09:24] <kkathman> Ajzo:  Google is your friend:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[09:24] <uga> touch Trash.desktop, and add what I'll tell you right now in the contents
[09:24] <kkathman> oops wrong link
[09:24] <kkathman> hold on
[09:24] <kkathman> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[09:24] <Ajzo> uga: nope, i just remove it from kicker but don't know how to put in on desktop
[09:24] <kkathman> there thats better
[09:25] <kkathman> to put it on your kicker just right click and add trash applet
[09:25] <uga> Ajzo: http://rafb.net/p/srhbhF58.html
[09:25] <kkathman> on the desktop is more tricky
[09:25] <uga> Ajzo: that's what it should contain
[09:25] <uga> and be done ;)
[09:25] <kkathman> wow theres alot of deleting the trash icon around here - 2 people asked that yesterday
[09:26] <kkathman> thats how I had the link handy :)
[09:26] <uga> kkathman: it's very tempting
[09:26] <kkathman> to delete the trash icon?
[09:26] <ScorpKing> maybe i should try it. :)
[09:26] <uga> it's like... running on the motorway and saying... and what happens if I press the brake at the same time as the accelerator???
[09:26] <kkathman> ROFL
[09:26] <uga> and you know it's not good, but you can, and what if?
[09:27] <uga> and you know the result... =)
[09:27] <ScorpKing> does anyone know how to put the trash icon back? lol
[09:27] <kkathman> yeah but see, you have this intution that something bad could happen...so you might wanna know how to get BACK before you do it in the 1st place
[09:27] <uga> ScorpKing: LOL, I told so above
[09:27] <uga> touch and edit the file as I pasted
[09:27] <ScorpKing> :D
[09:27] <uga> just create the file with touch, and edit its contents to match the rafb.net paste I posted up there
[09:28] <ScorpKing> uga: i'm jokeing. :D
[09:28] <uga> =)
[09:28] <Ajzo> i did as u said with that icon... it lookd everything works fine except icon :/
[09:28] <christophe_D> bonjour
[09:28] <Ajzo> it is kate text icon
[09:28] <Ajzo> and not trash icon
[09:28] <kkathman> Ajzo:  see the link I posted up a ways
[09:28] <uga> ?
[09:29] <uga> Ajzo: Icon==trashcan_full
[09:29] <uga> Doesn't that icon exist for you?
[09:29] <uga> maybe it needs refreshing
[09:29] <uga> try deleting a file and emtpying the trash
[09:30] <uga> even kdeclassic iconset includes that icon. It should exist for you too
[09:30] <kkathman> hmm wonder why you wouldnt follow that link??
[09:31] <kkathman> guess thats too hard
[09:31] <kkathman> I forget Im in the buntu channels now :) hehe
[09:31] <uga> kkathman: it does the same, but it's missing the actions part
[09:31] <uga> the url you said
[09:31] <kkathman> no need really :)
[09:31] <kkathman> as long as the URL is right that is
[09:31] <Ajzo> uga & kkathman - it is made so but icon still isn't shown - but if i click on Proporties it shows right icon in window, but no on the desktop
[09:31] <kkathman> heh
[09:32] <uga> kkathman: uh, right click empty trashcan possibly wouldn't work if not added?
[09:32] <uga> anyway, that's default...
[09:32] <uga> Ajzo: maybe close session and enter again?
[09:32] <kkathman> hmm just created here... seems fine :)  course now I have to delete a trash can....wow everything is circular :)
[09:33] <Quixogre> hello
[09:33] <ScorpKing> uga: that link woks for me. just created a trashcan and called it Trash
[09:33] <uga> ScorpKing: I said same thing, but it's missing the actions part
[09:33] <uga> "Empty trash" thing
[09:33] <kkathman> yep me too - ScorpKing  course now you gotta delete it :)
[09:34] <kkathman> and here we go :)
[09:34] <ScorpKing> 1 2 3... it's gone. what now?
[09:34] <donsdx> When I installed Ubuntu, I did not know about Kubuntu.  I am running KDE.  Should I do anything else.  I ask because I have Gnome programs installed, when I would prefer KDE.
[09:34] <Quixogre> can anyone read this?
[09:34] <kkathman> yes Quixogre
[09:34] <uga> Quixogre: no
[09:34] <uga> =)
[09:34] <kkathman> lol
[09:34] <Quixogre> WOOT!! thanks for the response :)
[09:35] <stpg> Hi
[09:35] <Quixogre> got a bit of a problem with ubuntu...mind if i pick some brains?
[09:35] <ScorpKing> hmmm. why not?
[09:35] <uga> donsdx: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:36] <kkathman> Quixogre:  just ask your questions and someone will answer hopefully
[09:36] <Quixogre> hehe okies. the short version: was installing NDISwrappers for my NIC/wireless, somehow deleted my files for my NIC
[09:36] <donsdx> uga: do I just do that over the Ubuntu install.  And can I use Synaptic?
[09:36] <kkathman> uga probably a sudo in front of that
[09:36] <uga> donsdx: yes, whatever package manager you want
[09:37] <uga> you'll have gnome "leftovers", but you could remove them afterwards
[09:37] <donsdx> Great.
[09:37] <stpg> Can anyone help me with apport? I need so debug core dump of mine application, but apport ignores it (it writes what my application is not belong to any package)
[09:37] <kkathman> or you can keep them :)
[09:37] <Quixogre> now, i cant configure or even see my wireless network card
[09:37] <kkathman> for funzies
[09:37] <uga> kkathman: of course I only said that because he said he's not using them
[09:37] <kkathman> !wireless | Quixogre
[09:37] <ubotu> Quixogre: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:37] <eder> Hi
[09:37] <uga> gnome is a cra... errrm... great desktop =)
[09:37] <kkathman> uga hehe
[09:38] <eder> having problems with a printer Sharp AM900
[09:38] <eder> can anybody help me?
[09:38] <Quixogre> ubotu thanks, i've already been there. its sort of how i ended up in this mess in the first place
[09:38] <kkathman> wow kde people are so cranky when it comes to gnome cant we all just get along?
[09:38] <kkathman> lol
[09:38] <ScorpKing> lol. kde is growing though
[09:39] <Quixogre> whats up eder?
[09:39] <eder> hi man
[09:39] <eder> can you help me?
[09:39] <Quixogre> hehe ask. if i cant, someone in chat hopefully can
[09:39] <kkathman> eder dont know until you ask
[09:40] <ScorpKing> does kubuntu use cups for printing or is it something else?
[09:40] <stpg> i'm setting limit for core with "ulimit -c unlimited". Any ideas how can i get my core dump?
[09:40] <knopnet> just say what your problem is, if someone knows how to fix it, they will tell you
[09:40] <kkathman> ScorpKing:  cups
[09:40] <ScorpKing> ah
[09:40] <ScorpKing> eder: take a look at the cups documentation. :)
[09:41] <Quixogre> eder, gnome uses cups. think kde uses a spinoff called kups
[09:41] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: what card do you have?
[09:41] <uga> kkathman: lol, it was just one more cross-desktop joke. You think gnome guys don't make kde jokes??? =)
[09:41] <kkathman> Quixogre:  they both use cups its common (the C in cups)
[09:41] <nito> hola
[09:41] <stpg> can anybody help me?
[09:42] <ScorpKing> halo nito
[09:42] <kkathman> uga:  gnome guyz dont make jokes - you know that :)
[09:42] <Quixogre> scorpking: broadcom 440x (4401?) i downloaded the linux driver for it from broadcom, but running into errors on build
[09:42] <uga> kkathman: no, they just lie ;)
[09:42] <kkathman> uga  yeah I KDE is perfect right?? lol
[09:42] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: isn't there a precompiled package for it?
[09:43] <Quixogre> i wish. would save me a ton of time. broadcom only offers the ake files for their linux driver.
[09:43] <Quixogre> make*
[09:43] <kkathman> uga: there are a few things done in ubuntu gnome that kubuntu hasnt quite caught onto yet -
[09:43] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: let me see if i can find something...
[09:43] <kkathman> not that you cant do em...but harder
[09:43] <eder_> sorry Quixogre, i was DC
[09:44] <Quixogre> eder: yes, ubuntu uses cups
[09:44] <adam__> ok i'm getting quite desperite, i got a new shiny hp laptop, i want ubuntu on this thing with kde, i've tried kubuntu (doesn't wanna work) i tried installing a commandline ubuntu (doesn't wanna boot) and now i've tried mepis (which just hangs half way though loading). A year old sabayon disc i had kicking around did work but i don't want gento. I want ubuntu!
[09:44] <uga> kkathman: sure. But care pointing those out?
[09:44] <uga> I'm curious
[09:44] <MinceR> hi.
[09:45] <Quixogre> bah. all this talak of xwindows...gimme command line, or gimme death
[09:45] <kkathman> uga well, its very easy in ubuntu to install restricted drivers - i.e. from the menus a bit harder for instance in kubuntu for the novice I think
[09:45] <MinceR> when trying to install vice, i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38580/
[09:46] <BluesKaj> well, that trash on the desktop thing din't work for me ...all i got was a textfile like any other :)
[09:46] <MinceR> i suspect that the vice package is broken or something.
[09:46] <kkathman> again it can be done but a little harder for a newbie to do
[09:46] <MinceR> could anyone confirm/help?
[09:46] <uga> kkathman: lrm modules don't work anyway ;)
[09:46] <uga> I keep uninstalling them, and somehow apt-get wants to install them back again
[09:46] <uga> it's broken
[09:46] <kkathman> uga hmm mine did...but again...mayube thats just my system
[09:47] <uga> I need newer nvidia drivers
[09:47] <kkathman> i.e. nvidia
[09:47] <eder_> Help with a printer Sharp AM-900
[09:47] <uga> and if lrm is installed, the broken nvidia driver loads first, before the real nvidia one
[09:47] <uga> not nice
[09:47] <Quixogre> eder, what problem are you having specifically?
[09:47] <kkathman> uga the new 8000 driver is out on the nvidia home page
[09:47] <eder_> Quixogre: i cant print on it
[09:47] <uga> kkathman: I know, but lrm scripts keep preloading kubuntu one
[09:47] <uga> and it's not working
[09:48] <uga> so have to /etc/init.d/kdm stop, rmmod nvidia, and restart kdm
[09:48] <kkathman> uga dont use those - just sh the file and allow the installer to create the interface
[09:48] <eder_> i even cant install it Quixogre
[09:48] <uga> then it loads the proper one
[09:48] <genii> eder_: Not much info around about that All-In-One Sharp AM-900, did find this on why it likely won't work anytime soon: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555357
[09:48] <kkathman> I assume you have the build-essential stuff and linux headers
[09:48] <Quixogre> eder, you sure its on the ubuntu side? is there signal of any sort getting to the printer?
[09:48] <kkathman> er kernel headers I mean
[09:48] <uga> kkathman: I sh the nvidia file, yes, but if linux-restricted-modules is installed, it keeps loading another one
[09:49] <uga> very very annoying
[09:49] <kkathman> cant you remove them?
[09:49] <uga> yeah, but something tells apt-get to install it back
[09:49] <uga> not sure what
[09:49] <uga> each time I dist-upgrade
[09:49] <eder_> when i try to install it, Kubuntu identify it, but there is no Driver for my printer Quixogre
[09:49] <kkathman> the only benefit, theoretcially is that you DONT have to compile each time a new driver comes out
[09:50] <genii> eder_: According to sharp, it supports Postscript level 2 and 3. Set it up as a generic Postscript printer. If it works at all with linux, that is what to try.
[09:50] <kkathman> yeah otherwise you have to wait for the devs to include the new driver (gutsy freeze now on, so I'd say the devs are busy elsewhere)
[09:50] <eder_> genii, let me try
[09:52] <eder_> genii, doesnt work with a generic PostScript Printer
[09:52] <Quixogre> i've got a side question: anyone know where i can find a code version of SATAN or some other network sniffer? would like to set my laptop up for use at work, port scanner would be very handy
[09:53] <MinceR> nmap?
[09:53] <genii> eder_: Then it's not likely to work anytime soon :(
[09:53] <eder_> genii, thanks anyway
[09:53] <eder_> really thanks for your attention
[09:53] <Cequine> hmmmm.... does kubuntu normally take a while at 6% installation?
[09:53] <Quixogre> sorry eder, hope ya find a workaround...postscript printers can be a huge pain in the arse
[09:54] <eder_> i see Quixogre
[09:54] <uga> Quixogre: why not use ethereal
[09:54] <eder_> Cya guys
[09:54] <Cequine> never mind, it's started again
[09:54] <Quixogre> uga: never heard of it...fairly easy to compile?
[09:55] <akillah> can somebody help me....??? how to run nvidia-settings with root ?
[09:55] <genii> I think wireshark now
[09:55] <uga> Quixogre: you have deb files for kubuntu and installers for windows, no need to compile it
[09:55] <uga> genii: well yes, it got renamed
[09:55] <uga> same thing, stupid name ;)
[09:55] <stpg> 8((
[09:55] <Quixogre> uga good ta know...so just do a search for wireshark?
[09:56] <uga> yes
[09:56] <Quixogre> thanks :)
[09:56] <akillah> can somebody help me,please....??? how to run nvidia-settings from root ?
[09:56] <sccpresident> easy
[09:56] <sccpresident> use sudo
[09:56] <uga> Quixogre: the rest you mentioned sounded more like cracker tools than proper sysadmin network analysisi tools ,)
[09:56] <akillah> sudo and what after that?
[09:57] <akillah> sudo nvidia-settings ?
[09:57] <sccpresident> run the program through sudo
[09:57] <sccpresident> "sudo programname"
[09:57] <Quixogre> lol im from the solaris generation...we didnt HAVE legitimate network tools
[09:57] <akillah> ok-thanx
[09:57] <sccpresident> urwelcome
[09:57] <sccpresident> but u will need root password
[09:57] <sccpresident> it will ask you for it
[09:57] <genii> eder_: I might buy a TV from Sharp but definitely a printer from HP or elsewhere
[09:57] <genii> bah he left
[09:58] <akillah> worked...... cool!
[09:58] <serhyy> not root password, your password
[09:58] <sccpresident> true true
[09:58] <sccpresident> unless you change your password
[09:58] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: i only see bcm43xx firmware. nothing for bcm44xx. not sure if 43 stuff will work for 44.
[09:58] <Quixogre> i havent even started setting up lpr for my dell printers yet...not too worried though, just HPs with funny names
[09:58] <sccpresident> what i could use help with is enabling root
[09:59] <sccpresident> im tired of using sudo
[09:59] <Quixogre> scorpking: hehe the bcm43xx is what deleted my existing files....
[09:59] <serhyy> sudo passwd root
[09:59] <sccpresident> will that enable to root account?
[09:59] <serhyy> yep
[09:59] <sccpresident> kk ill try it
[09:59] <sccpresident> thx
[09:59] <serhyy> after use #su
[09:59] <genii> ScorpKing: Thanks, needed that
[09:59] <osh_> This might be a silly question but... isn't there supposed to be a save-button somewhere on korganizer?
[10:00] <sccpresident> does it have to be passwd or do you replace that will a password?
[10:00] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: i'm using bcm43xx without NDISwrapper
[10:00] <ScorpKing> lol genii
[10:00] <serhyy> it will put root password
[10:00] <uga> sccpresident: "passwd" is a command
[10:00] <serhyy> corretly it will change to something you will know
[10:00] <sccpresident> ah
[10:00] <serhyy> yep
[10:00] <sccpresident> ok
[10:00] <sccpresident> thx
[10:00] <Quixogre> scorp. i was trying the NDIS wrappers, because my network in college uses WPA for authentication. the standard drivers dont seem to be cutting it
[10:00] <uga> sccpresident: to set a password for the given user. This time for "root".
[10:01] <sccpresident> im trying to enable the account
[10:01] <uga> sure
[10:01] <adam__> ITS ALIVE! i finally got it working, i had to add noapic nolapic to my boot options and its now working! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hp_dv6000_series_(dv6116eu) (where i got the info)
[10:01] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: so that's why i can't use secure connections? haha
[10:01] <sccpresident> after sudo passwd root what do i do again?
[10:01] <serhyy> su
[10:01] <Chousuke> sccpresident: why enable root?
[10:01] <sccpresident> i hate sudo
[10:02] <Chousuke> :/
[10:02] <Chousuke> why?
[10:02] <sccpresident> i do to many things that require administrator
[10:02] <Chousuke> it does everything su does, you know
[10:02] <sccpresident> its a long root password :)
[10:02] <Chousuke> sccpresident: well, sudo -s gives you a root shell
[10:02] <Quixogre> lol most likely...WPA requires a domain name. might try "username@domain.com" see if that works
[10:02] <sccpresident> ill try it thx
[10:02] <Chousuke> sudo -i gives you a different kind of root shell, too
[10:02] <sccpresident> yey im root shell
[10:02] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: thanks. will try.
[10:02] <Chousuke> see the manual page.
[10:02] <sccpresident> thx
[10:03] <sccpresident> but i want to be able to login as root
[10:03] <serhyy> ctrl+f1
[10:03] <serhyy> sorrty ctrl+alt+f1
[10:03] <serhyy> from x
[10:03] <jimmacdonald> can someone help me with the process syntax for xkill?
[10:03] <jimmacdonald> !ubotu xkill
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xkill - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <uga> jimmacdonald: ? you just type xkill, and click on the window you want to kill
[10:04] <Quixogre> lol serhyy i love that command. im used to command line more than Xwindows, so for me, a black screen is a poetic beauty all its own
[10:04] <uga> not sure what you are looking for
[10:05] <serhyy> ;)
[10:05] <jimmacdonald> uga: interesting... much better than ps -ef |grep "whatever" |kill -9 pid
[10:05] <uga> uh?
[10:05] <uga> jimmacdonald: killall name isn't easier? =)
[10:05] <uga> like killall xterm
[10:05] <jimmacdonald> that's what I am saying it IS better.
[10:06] <uga> you did't understand... that's not xkill
[10:06] <uga> that's "killall"
[10:06] <uga> it exists
[10:06] <serhyy> :)
[10:07] <Quixogre> slowly remembering more and more about IRC....
[10:07] <uga> I love when people waste their time in nice grepping, bashing and perl'ing. when straight commands exist for the same purpose =)
[10:08] <Quixogre> now if i could just remember everything i knew about vi
[10:09] <inaety> hello, whenever i try to burn an audio cd in K3b i get an error, error 254
[10:09] <uga> inaety: and the text says????
[10:10] <ScorpKing> Quixogre: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html - Vi Cheat Sheet.
[10:10] <inaety> uga, nothing at all.  it just says i have error 254 from cdrecord
[10:10] <uga> ScorpKing: every real vi user got those tattooed. No need to check online ;)
[10:10] <Quixogre> scorp, thanks again ;) hehe used to be able to do things in vi faster than most people could with notepad...
[10:11] <uga> inaety: maybe you could try burning the iso from cdrecord then, it may give you more info. The number wn't help dbugging
[10:11] <MinceR> bye
[10:11] <garfield> hello my mouse just gone dead i will like to know how to use the keyboard to get in the k-menu.i got true to launch konversation with alt+space bar
[10:11] <uga> inaety: it's simple. Dont' get scared. If you create an iso file called foo.iso, you just record it with the command: cdrecord /dev/cdrw foo.iso
[10:11] <inaety> uga: how do i burn an auido cd from cdrecord
[10:11] <combo> !pastebin
[10:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:11] <inaety> uga: im not scared...>_<
[10:12] <uga> inaety: oh, audio is harder from cmd line, but if you create an iso file first from k3b, it should be easy as I pointed up there
[10:12] <garfield> hello my mouse just gone dead i will like to know how to use the keyboard to get in the k-menu.i got true to launch konversation with alt+space bar
[10:12] <garfield> sorry
[10:12] <inaety> uga: okay one second
[10:12] <serhyy> alt+f1
[10:12] <Quixogre> garfield, CTRL+ALT+F1
[10:13] <uga> inaety: I forgot... better run cdrecord with the option -v. Else you won't see progress
[10:13] <uga> ie,  cdrecord -v /dev/cdrw foo.iso
[10:13] <combo> can someone help with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38582/ - i was trying to install latest FGLRX drivers - downloaded from ATI site (ATI Radeon 9600) and installed
[10:14] <inaety> uga: apparently cdrecord wasnt installed >_<
[10:14] <combo> uga: trash icon on desktop works fine (reboot was needed) - thanks for help :)
[10:14] <uga> inaety: lol. So that's what error 254 means, then ;)
[10:14] <garfield> Quixogre: what king of thing is ctrl+alt+f1 that is for a dos window u jerk >_<
[10:14] <inaety> uga: looks like it haha
[10:15] <garfield> Quixogre: i want to get to the k-menu
[10:15] <uga> inaety: when booting up, k3b should have warned you of missing utilities
[10:15] <uga> didn't you get a message box?
[10:15] <serhyy> alt+f1 - for k-menu
[10:15] <Quixogre> no, its for a LINUX shell. DOS is for people who dont know what linux really is
[10:15] <inaety> uga: no
[10:15] <garfield> serhyy: tanks
[10:15] <uga> then you must have chosen a "don't show this again" option or so...
[10:15] <JimmyDee_> guys, I'm looking at installing a linksys wireless pcmcia card in a laptop, any headaches you can save me would be appreciated
[10:16] <garfield> serhyy: why they didnt just put it on the super botton like xp
[10:16] <uga> inaety: go Settings->configure k3b->programs
[10:16] <uga> you'll see a list of checks
[10:16] <DexterF> hi
[10:16] <uga> all should be green if possible
[10:16] <garfield> !hi
[10:16] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:16] <serhyy> coz its (c) microsoft private buttons :)
[10:16] <garfield> lol
[10:16] <DexterF> anyone good with tv cards? I get a humming sound when I plug the cable in.
[10:16] <serhyy> anyway you can redefine it
[10:17] <JimmyDee_> digital cable?
[10:17] <inaety> uga, okay thanks
[10:17] <JimmyDee_> ldex?
[10:17] <uga> inaety: the startup message also points you to permission problems and the likes
[10:17] <JimmyDee_> oops
[10:17] <uga> inaety: if you remove .kde/share/config/k3brc, you'll possibly get the dialog again
[10:18] <Quixogre> anyone tell me why konversation is trying to run on 127.0.0.1 when i kick it off?
[10:19] <combo> can some1 help or not?! :] 
[10:19] <inaety> uga: egh, all the problems are gone, why should i play with it
[10:19] <inaety> :P
[10:19] <DexterF> JimmyDee_: analog
[10:19] <uga> combo: with what. Don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:19] <combo> uga: i already ask :P
[10:19] <combo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38582/
[10:19] <DexterF> JimmyDee_: hauppauge wintv pvr 150, precisely
[10:19] <combo> i have a problem with that... :] 
[10:19] <uga> inaety: lol. There may be other utilities missing. For creating dvds or similar =)
[10:20] <combo> uga: i've installed latest FGLRX from ATI site but there is a little problem with a FGLRXinfo comman
[10:20] <combo> uga: but it seems to work fine
[10:20] <uga> combo: oh, sorry, true, I read that. I never used ati though, so I can't tell
[10:20] <serhyy> remove use DRI from /etc/xorg.conf
[10:21] <combo> uga: ok :)
[10:21] <uga> serhyy: oh, I thought ati used the direct rendering interface
[10:21] <combo> serhyy: will try that now. :)
[10:21] <uga> unlike nvidia
[10:21] <serhyy> #Load "dri"
[10:22] <serhyy> sometimes Load "dri" wont work with load "glx"
[10:23] <khaije1> so how do i set a particular module for a peice of hardware that isn't detected properly
[10:23] <khaije1> ?
[10:23] <serhyy> it depends on hw
[10:23] <k7> ciao scusato come faccio ad identificarmi? scusate l'imbranagine
[10:23] <uga> khaije1: if you mean how to load them, just type "modprobe modulename"
[10:24] <combo> serhyy: it gives no solution
[10:24] <DexterF> !tv
[10:24] <ubotu> http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[10:24] <khaije1> uga: i know about that i mean how to set it to load the correct module on insertion
[10:24] <serhyy> modprobe <drvname> if your kernel has its driver but it wasnt detected properly by the configs
[10:24] <combo> removed LOAD "dri" but still same message
[10:25] <uga> khaije1: oh, possibly you can do so through /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[10:25] <serhyy> can you show your xorg.conf
[10:25] <Quixogre> anyone know why konversation is looking for a password? using ircII because i couldnt get konversation to connect
[10:25] <khaije1> uga: ok, ill read up on it thamks
[10:25] <combo> serhyy: :/ Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:25] <combo> serhyy: any more ideas ? :] 
[10:26] <uga> khaije1: I'm not too sure though, but I believe it does what you need
[10:26] <khaije1> uga: worth a shot :-)
[10:26] <uga> khaije1: btw, can't you load the module always?
 sorry its need to see xorg.conf
[10:26] <uga> khaije1: ie, add it to /etc/modules list
[10:26] <uga> and be done
[10:27] <uga> or do other drivers get picked, even if the proper one is loaded
[10:27] <combo> serhyy: wanna see or don't want to get involved ? :] 
[10:27] <uga> khaije1: if so, the rest could be added to the blacklist, I guess
[10:27] <serhyy> wanna see
[10:28] <combo> serhyy: here it is xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38585/
[10:28] <serhyy> Section "Device"
[10:28] <serhyy> 	Identifier	"ATI Radeon 9600"
[10:28] <serhyy> 	Driver		"vesa"
[10:28] <serhyy> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[10:28] <serhyy> EndSection
[10:29] <serhyy> must be driver "ati"
[10:29] <serhyy> if you have it ofcoz
[10:29] <serhyy> but as i've remebered ati has auto driver install tool like nvidia
[10:30] <[ifr0g] > How do i convert avi to gif ???
[10:31] <combo> serhyy: i just figured out that FGLRX uses vesa, doesn't it ? ;] 
[10:31] <Quixogre> how do i reserve this chat name ofr later use?
[10:31] <combo> serhyy: sure that change to ATI ? :)
[10:31] <combo> serhyy: if u say so - will be changed :D
[10:31] <rc-1> does aptitude have a log of when i installed stuff and such
[10:32] <serhyy> vesa is a standart way to use vcard - it wont support hw stuff like glrx dri etc
[10:32] <combo> serhyy: ok, changing it :)
[10:34] <combo> serhyy: it worked :) now there is only :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38586/
[10:35] <serhyy> sorry try Driver "fglrx"
[10:35] <combo> serhyy: ok :)
[10:36] <quixogre> woot! fixed konversation...
[10:36] <JimmyDee_> ati is evil fglrx is the devil
[10:36] <serhyy> :)
[10:38] <Cyclopes> hello, i'm trying to unload bttv using "rmmod bttv" but i get : ERROR: Module bttv is in use by bt878
[10:39] <JimmyDee_> open the box, remove the bt878 then rmmod bttv
[10:39] <serhyy> rmmod bt878 before
[10:39] <serhyy> if you sure ofcoz :)
[10:39] <JimmyDee_> thats what I had to do
[10:40] <JimmyDee_> thats the hauppage wintv card isnt it?
[10:40] <Cyclopes> the thing is, i'm just trying to have it probed again, once i change configuration
[10:42] <Cyclopes> JimmyDee_: its pixelview, but its detected from bttv as generic
[10:42] <JimmyDee_> same guts then
[10:43] <combo> serhyy: i change driver from ATI to fglrx but it didn't work :/
[10:43] <blix_> How do I open rar files?
[10:43] <JimmyDee_> winrar
[10:43] <JimmyDee_> www.rarlabs.com
[10:44] <Cyclopes> JimmyDee_: no way i can work this out without removing the card from the box?
[10:44] <JimmyDee_> not that I found
[10:44] <serhyy> combo: sorry, i'm talking about using ati driver. I've missed a point where you start from. What you have done before you trying to use X
[10:45] <JimmyDee_> blix try sudo apt-get install unrar
[10:45] <combo> u said to change in section DEVICE driver 'vesa' to ATI and then to FGLRX as u said
[10:45] <combo> and there is all about http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38587/
[10:45] <JimmyDee_> are we attempting to install beryl or someesuch?
[10:45] <JimmyDee_> combo?
[10:45] <blix_> JimmyDee_ thanks
[10:46] <serhyy> combo: yeah,  i ment what is your goal? what you want to get?
[10:46] <JimmyDee_> quite welcome blix
[10:46] <JimmyDee_> then just unrar filename at the command prompt
[10:46] <combo> this is the point :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38588/
[10:46] <JimmyDee_> itll cogitate
[10:46] <combo> direct rendering also doesn;t work
[10:46] <JimmyDee_> ok restricted driver manager combo
[10:46] <serhyy> ok
[10:47] <combo> JimmyDee_: i've installed latest FGLRX driver from ATI site
[10:47] <JimmyDee_> ouch
[10:47] <ubuntu> Hello everyone. I have some kind of emergency problem here. I cannot get to my boot manager, i always get grub error 17. it seems that my partition is corrupted. can somebody help me here ?
[10:47] <combo> i have kub-7.04 (ATI Radeon 9600)
[10:47] <mefisto__> blix_: ark (gui) should open them too after installing unrar
[10:47] <JimmyDee_> that tends to roach the whole deal I'm afraid
[10:47] <serhyy> hold on. Have you restarted X server? or you trying to use fglrxinfo under X
[10:48] <combo> serhyy: i restarted xy.. and typing in console fglrxinfo - what is now for example
[10:48] <JimmyDee_> might try #ubuntu-effects its a channel dedicated to this mess combo
[10:48] <serhyy> but x is running?
[10:48] <combo> JimmyDee_: but i'm not trying ub.efects ? :) but as u wish :)
[10:48] <JimmyDee_> oh wait not doing xgl?
[10:49] <JimmyDee_> my bad
[10:49] <JimmyDee_> have you tried envy combo?
[10:49] <combo> JimmyDee_: no :P just want to turn on direct rendering... what is ENVY ?
[10:49] <combo> i've tried only MESA
[10:49] <JimmyDee_> google envy download
[10:50] <JimmyDee_> automated ati installer
[10:50] <combo> JimmyDee_: sounds great! :)
[10:50] <combo> i'll try that now
[10:50] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[10:50] <JimmyDee_> greets contrast
[10:50] <poison--> llo
[10:50] <contrast83> Is there a package in the repositories I can install if I *only* want the GNOME desktop environment, but not all the extra applications that come with it?
[10:51] <combo> envy.zip downloaded already
[10:51] <serhyy> dont run fglrxinfo after you just need to put correct module for x, but you need to build it with ati tool.
[10:51] <JimmyDee_> envy will do that for him serhyy
[10:52] <contrast83> Has anyone here heard of cases where Envy breaks things?
[10:52] <JimmyDee_> only case I heard is you dont wanna run envy with the 200m
[10:52] <JimmyDee_> wanna use restricted driver manager for that
[10:52] <serhyy> combo: actuly "ati" driver that comes with Xorg does support DRI...
[10:52] <contrast83> I see
[10:53] <fabien> hello
[10:53] <JimmyDee_> hello fabien
[10:53] <contrast83> serhyy: That depends on the card though, right?
[10:53] <poison--> !hi
[10:53] <fabien> how u?
[10:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:54] <serhyy> yep, but its hard to find popular one that it dosnt
[10:55] <poison--> second time today installing samba and kubuntu wont boot anymore
[10:55] <poison--> lmao
[10:55] <JimmyDee_> if you use the ati installer with a xpress 200 its inexorable fubar
[10:55] <fabien> i just install kubuntu and i'm verry happy
[10:55] <poison--> samba has issues with me
[10:55] <poison--> kubuntu rox
[10:55] <JimmyDee_> you need a bigger hammer poison
[10:55] <poison--> true, true
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> so you're saying that you can use compositing, and therefore a compositing window manager (read: beryl or compiz fusion) with the open ati driver?
[10:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have to call shenanigans on that one.
[10:56] <serhyy> yes
[10:56] <fabien> i'm the general Secretary of linux assaciation in my country
[10:56] <USMarine> Daisuke_Ido i woudn't count on that
[10:56] <serhyy> compiz feature works with open one
[10:56] <JimmyDee_> and your country is luxemborg right fabien?
[10:56] <fabien> no
[10:56] <fabien> no jimmyDee
[10:56] <USMarine> (21:56:52)  Looking up (fabien)'s country...
[10:56] <USMarine> (21:56:52)  Country lookup for (82.206.136.202) finished successfully: (United kingdom)
[10:57] <fabien> my country is Burkina Faso
[10:57] <contrast83> Daisuke_Laptop: It depends on the card. I've got a Radeon Mobility M6 in my laptop, and I run Compiz on it with the free driver.
[10:57] <fabien> do u know?
[10:57] <JimmyDee_> so YOU have the computer in Burkina Faso eh?
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> in other words: old ati hardware
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> should add that as a qualifier
[10:57] <serhyy> yes ofcoz.... my radeon 9200 is supported too
[10:58] <contrast83> Yeah, you should. :-P
[10:58] <USMarine> i have an nvidia 7600gs and i run quite compiz with the non free driver
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> because the way you said that...
[10:58] <fabien> yes jimmyDee
[10:58] <USMarine> non free- closed source
[10:58] <JimmyDee_> I have Xpress 200 and mine is fubar
[10:58] <serhyy> nvidia is cares about linux
[10:58] <JimmyDee_> ati could care less, its not windoze
[10:58] <fabien> why this question jimmyDee?
[10:58] <USMarine> i had that in count when i bought the laptop
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> USMarine: 7600gs here too and it works great with the non-free driver.  but my laptop's got a nice intel chipset and is so truly awesome
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> JimmyDee_: you should really keep up with the times
[10:59] <USMarine> same here
[10:59] <Chousuke> JimmyDee_: fortunately it seems AMD cares more than ATi
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> AMD/ATI is releasing the specs on their cards
[10:59] <JimmyDee_> not fast enough for my taste
[10:59] <contrast83> We agree for a change, Daisuke_Laptop :-)
[10:59] <fabien> what are your country jimmyDee?
[10:59] <JimmyDee_> amd is the best thing ever happened to ati
[10:59] <Chousuke> JimmyDee_: they can't do it in one go
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> JimmyDee_: a heck of a lot faster than nvidia
[10:59] <USMarine> i'm quite satisfied with the closed source one
[10:59] <JimmyDee_> fabian I'm in the US
[11:00] <USMarine> i believe Nvidia engineers know more about the hardware than others
[11:00] <Chousuke> USMarine: the closed source ATi driver is a POC
[11:00] <Chousuke> and free drivers are better than closed ones on principle.
[11:00] <JimmyDee_> did combo ever make it back
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> within a year, tops, ati will be *the* video chipset maker of choice for linux (with exceptions)
[11:00] <USMarine> Chousuke i heard about it
[11:00] <contrast83> Chousuke: FGLRX, yeah. If you're talking about the new Catalyst, everything I've read says otherwise.
[11:00] <Chousuke> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah.
[11:00] <Chousuke> contrast83: I don't know about that. :9
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> obviously intel will still be the biggest choice for laptops for some time to come
[11:01] <Chousuke> but I hope they get the 3d specs out soon too
[11:01] <fabien> ah ok jimmyDee
[11:01] <JimmyDee_> jump back and kiss myself heh!
[11:01] <mefisto__> can I have beryl and compiz both installed? or is it better to have one or the other?
[11:01] <fabien> what are u doing in the life?
[11:01] <JimmyDee_> compiz fusion mefisto
[11:01] <parsnip> hi all
[11:01] <USMarine> mefisto__ have compiz fusion
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> fabien: they're mutually exclusive
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> you can't use them both at once
[11:01] <JimmyDee_> sure you can, its called compiz-fusion daisyduke
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> whooops
[11:02] <Chousuke> daisyduke? :D
[11:02] <parsnip> Can anyone help. I'm trying to seach through my m3u files for instances of the character '\'
[11:02] <parsnip> can anyone help
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> JimmyDee_: that's the re-merged one, he's talking about beryl and compiz, there's a difference
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it's not daisyduke.  i have mandanglies that prevent me from wearing tight cut-off shorts
[11:02] <stdin> parsnip: grep "\\" *.m3u
[11:02] <mefisto__> I don't necessarily want to run them both simultaneously. just asking if it's ok to install both on the same system, so I can compare
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> anyway
[11:03] <JimmyDee_> just kidding Daisuke_Ido
[11:03] <parsnip> stdin: aaaaah double \\ needed
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> mefisto__: in that case, feel free
[11:03] <parsnip> stdin: thats been annoying me all night :(
[11:03] <contrast83> mefisto__: Yeah, they can both be installed
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> but you're okay with just using compiz-fusion, as that's the merger of beryl and compiz
[11:03] <stdin> parsnip: yeah because it escapes itself
[11:03] <JimmyDee_> then you get all the goodies
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> exactly
[11:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm
[11:04] <parsnip> stdin: still getting a trailing backslash error
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> gutsy desktop effects: compiz or compiz fusion?
[11:04] <Chousuke> fusion
[11:04] <contrast83> Not much (if anything) in Beryl that's not in Compiz, but there's plenty in Compiz that's not in Beryl
[11:04] <mefisto__> and I take it compiz is better than beryl?
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> nice
[11:04] <JimmyDee_> fusion
[11:04] <stdin> parsnip: you put the whole thing in quotes?
[11:04] <Chousuke> Daisuke_Laptop: fusion *is* compiz
[11:04] <fabien> salut ki comprend franais ici?
[11:04] <Chousuke> Daisuke_Laptop: compiz alone isn't developed anymore.
[11:04] <Chousuke> !fr
[11:04] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:04] <parsnip> stdin: that helps a little
[11:04] <parsnip> stdin: i'll keep working on it
[11:04] <stdin> parsnip: ahh, grep needs  '\\'  seems the quoting matters
[11:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> Chousuke: but there are still packages, and i wanted to know which was included by default as the 'desktop effects'
[11:05] <Chousuke> hmm :/
[11:05] <stdin> parsnip: double quotes won't work but single will
[11:05] <parsnip> *.m3 command not found
[11:05] <epimeth> ahoy folks... long time no see!
[11:05] <epimeth> !pptp\
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp\ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <epimeth> !pptp
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <parsnip> stdin: i'm trying to improve my command line skills
[11:05] <contrast83> So is there not a package that will *just* install the GNOME desktop environment, without all the extra apps?
[11:05] <epimeth> anybody know where I can get the pptp package?
[11:05] <epimeth> !pptp-linux\
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp-linux\ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <contrast83> parsnip: Good for you. :-)
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> "gnome" maybe?
[11:06] <epimeth> !pptp-linux
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp-linux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dunno
[11:06] <ScorpKing> hi poison--! i asked you what's wrong with samba yesterday and then i got disconnected. mind explaining again?
[11:06] <contrast83> Daisuke_Laptop: You would thing so, right? But no.
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> i just use ubuntu-desktop
[11:06] <stdin> parsnip: so: grep '\\' *.m3u        will search all the .m3u file in the current directory for lines with a '\' in it
[11:06] <JimmyDee_> poison whatcha trying to do with samba? I might have a fix
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm
[11:06] <contrast83> ubuntu-desktop puts even more stuff than gnome or gnome-desktop-environment
[11:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> lemme see what i can dig up
[11:07] <poison--> yo Scorpking
[11:07] <JimmyDee_> oh poison?
[11:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> my first linux experience, if you can call it that, was with fedora core 2
[11:07] <JimmyDee_> I'm sorry, you should have held out for a better man
[11:07] <parsnip> stdin: yeah makes sense to me
[11:07] <JimmyDee_> or distro
[11:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> i believe it shipped with kde.  i wanted gnome.  so i compiled it >_>
[11:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was naive
[11:07] <epimeth> nobody loves me anymore?
[11:08] <ScorpKing> nope :P
[11:08] <epimeth> awww :-(
[11:08] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:08] <parsnip> stdin: is it grep -R '\\' *.m3u
[11:08] <parsnip> for recursive?
[11:08] <contrast83> lol @ compiling GNOME
[11:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> contrast83: yeah
[11:08] <epimeth> :-)
[11:08] <serhyy> couple days
[11:08] <poison--> JimmyDee, one day it stoped findin the windows network and the 34 machines within
[11:08] <stdin> parsnip: if you put the -R then you need to replace "*.m3u" with a directory
[11:08] <epimeth> so nobody knows where I can get the pptp-linux package?
[11:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> i actually did a hard reboot and went back to windows in the middle of it, thinking "there's no way in h*** i'm going to wait for that"
[11:09] <poison--> yesterday i reinstalled it usin recovery mode and root X
[11:09] <stdin> parsnip:  grep -R '\\' .       for instance
[11:09] <epimeth> I need l2tp in order to connect to my isp... their script uses pptp-linux\
[11:09] <epimeth> google didn't help...
[11:09] <poison--> today kubuntu crashed and i had to recover from vmware snapshot
[11:09] <JimmyDee_> yuck
[11:09] <poison--> and now it wont work again
[11:09] <ScorpKing> ugh
[11:09] <serhyy> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
[11:09] <poison--> sux
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> you'd be better off running it on real hardware, but i know that isn't always an option, so...
[11:10] <parsnip> stdin: ok.. (learning)
[11:10] <JimmyDee_> vmware is eeeevil
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> virtualbox :D
[11:10] <poison--> eheheh
[11:10] <epimeth> cheers serhyy\
[11:10] <poison--> well, atleast when i mess things up i can recover
[11:10] <poison--> :D
[11:10] <poison--> and it runs smood here
[11:10] <stdin> epimeth: there's also #pptp for help with pptp
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> poison--: that's why i recommend virtualbox
[11:10] <poison--> have to virtual machijnes running atm
[11:11] <poison--> virtualbox?
[11:11] <poison--> dunno dat one
[11:11] <stdin> !virtualbox
[11:11] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[11:11] <ScorpKing> epimeth: i have pptp-linux in the repos.
[11:11] <poison--> sweet
[11:11] <poison--> checkin
[11:11] <serhyy> virtualbox is very fast on running linux under linux
[11:11] <poison--> lmao
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's very fast at running windows under linux.
[11:12] <poison--> so i can use it to run windows and no need for wine?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> eh
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> not really
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't know what the video capabilities are like
[11:12] <ScorpKing> virtualbox skip a line or character when i press the arrows while using dos :(
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> (i just use it for school)
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> ScorpKing: dosbox :)
[11:12] <serhyy> it slowes down with old windowz like win98 etc
[11:13] <ScorpKing> Daisuke_Laptop: then what am i gonna use virtualbox for? :P lol
[11:13] <epimeth> stdin: cheers... if I can't get it to work I'll go there
[11:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> serhyy: what does?
[11:13] <stdin> epimeth: I'm sure they can help you set it up too
[11:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> we've mentioned three packages there...
[11:14] <poison--> school?
[11:14] <serhyy> Daisuke_Laptop: sorry?
[11:14] <poison--> im almost having granchildren here
[11:14] <poison--> :D
[11:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> which one slows down with old windows
[11:14] <serhyy> VirtualBox
[11:14] <poison--> <---- old retard
[11:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[11:14] <ubuntu__> ci
[11:14] <JimmyDee_> <-- old retard too
[11:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> serhyy: i see
[11:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> <-- youngish retard
[11:14] <poison--> eheheh Jimmydee
[11:15] <serhyy> bcoz of win98 is not 32bit proper
[11:15] <JimmyDee_> they say you can only do 2 operating system changes in your IT life or you go insane, is that true?
[11:15] <parsnip> <- hjust a retard, not that old :D
[11:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> time to download reactos and see what it can do in vbox
[11:15] <poison--> lol
[11:15] <poison--> i have to use windows here, cause i built unatended win setups
[11:16] <poison--> and damn vista sux
[11:16] <parsnip> poison--: only lots, its MASSIVE
[11:16] <JimmyDee_> could someone tell me why ubuntu cant ask all the questions up front then just INSTALL for gods sake?
[11:16] <poison--> ahahahahahhaha
[11:16] <poison--> ask nice and it will :D
[11:17] <JimmyDee_> I am an electronics technician with a large hammer in my bag, ask nicely pfft
[11:17] <ScorpKing> JimmyDee_: maybe ubuntu doesn't know. :P
[11:17] <poison--> ehehehhehe
[11:17] <parsnip> JimmyDee_: want one of my beers, makes it faster
[11:17] <JimmyDee_> beer makes installing faster yes
[11:18] <JimmyDee_> my windows wiggle, verily I must be doing it right
[11:18] <poison--> damn.. 107MB of updates
[11:18] <poison--> adept is wild baby!!! wild!!
[11:18] <ScorpKing> epimeth: are you looking for l2tpd and l2tpns?
[11:19] <parsnip> poison--: what speed downstream you got?
[11:19] <poison--> dont ask...
[11:19] <JimmyDee_> 107M of updates is about 3 seconds
[11:19] <poison--> i live in Brazil
[11:19] <poison--> lucky dat im not on a 56k
[11:19] <JimmyDee_> ooooh thats painful poison
[11:19] <poison--> tell me about it
[11:19] <poison--> :D
[11:19] <parsnip> poison--: awww man
[11:20] <poison--> ehehehe
[11:20] <serhyy> ghost from the past
[11:20] <JimmyDee_> fiber to the curb is coming baybeee
[11:20] <poison--> miss europe so much
[11:20] <parsnip> poison--: Im from UK
[11:20] <poison--> nice, went to london 3 times :D
[11:20] <poison--> miss RATM show tho :(
[11:20] <poison--> missed..
[11:21] <JimmyDee_> aaack enlightenment blew up my laptop
[11:21] <poison--> now dat sux
[11:21] <JimmyDee_> its a bit much for the lappy
[11:21] <parsnip> poison--: when was that, must be a while back now, its udioslave now
[11:21] <poison--> i know
[11:21] <poison--> by the time of 911
[11:21] <poison--> they canceled the show
[11:22] <poison--> was in portugal that time
[11:22] <poison--> i was*
[11:22] <poison--> my nephew was "made" in london
[11:22] <poison--> damn cold
[11:22] <poison--> ahahahah
[11:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> !offtopic
[11:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:22] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:22] <poison--> mkay, mkay
[11:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i'd like to say: audioslave broke up and RATM is back together
[11:23] <poison--> lol
[11:23] <parsnip> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah for a few shows
[11:23] <poison--> well, when Zack left, neva listened to them again
[11:23] <poison--> RATM is Zack..
[11:24] <poison--> 67kb/s atm..
[11:24] <poison--> lol
[11:24] <poison--> in 1 hour the updates are done
[11:24] <poison--> :D
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> RATM is zack and tom*
[11:24] <JimmyDee_> ouchie
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> fixed that for you
[11:24] <poison--> eheheh true
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i should probably check for the daily gutsy updates
[11:24] <poison--> Killing in the name of!!
[11:24] <poison--> damn
[11:25] <JimmyDee_> any lightweight window managers that actually work with sound?
[11:25] <JimmyDee_> other than jwm?
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> enlightenment, perhaps?
[11:25] <poison--> installed gutsy today with vmware too, it says i have 309MB updates to do...
[11:25] <JimmyDee_> its got some esound error
[11:25] <ScorpKing> fluxbox?
[11:25] <JimmyDee_> esound error
[11:25] <poison--> gonna leave it for xmas
[11:26] <JimmyDee_> cannot contact the esound server, I'm like no kidding
[11:26] <ScorpKing> is kde 1 still available for download?
[11:27] <stdin> ScorpKing: well kde 1.1 seems to still be in svn
[11:27] <ScorpKing> have a link?
[11:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> seems a little masochistic
[11:28] <stdin> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/1.1/
[11:28] <ScorpKing> thanks. never used svn tho
[11:28] <ScorpKing> can i just type that?
[11:28] <quixogre> is there an apt-get command to install beryl?
[11:28] <USMarine> apt-get install beryl ?
[11:29] <JimmyDee_> well lookie there, install esound and its copacetic
[11:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm...  i need more fine-grained controls for desktop effects.
[11:29] <stdin> ScorpKing: think so, you may need to "sudo apt-get install subversion" first
[11:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's either off, itty-bitty, or OMG!
[11:30] <JimmyDee_> anyone know where to get the little rubber thing for a thinkpad?
[11:31] <ScorpKing> stdin: i typre that and subversion is installed. it sais - A   1.1/kdegraphics/kfax/libtiffax/tiffio.h and so on. is it downloading?
[11:31] <ScorpKing> typed*
[11:31] <stdin> ScorpKing: yeah, you'll download the whole of kde 1.1 now :)
[11:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> JimmyDee_: http://xkcd.com/243/ < that thing?
[11:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> apologies in advance
[11:32] <ScorpKing> stdin: ah, thanks. any idea how big that is? kinda have low bandwidth.
[11:32] <stdin> ScorpKing: I'm having a look, it's mostly going to be source so shouldn't be too big
[11:33] <ScorpKing> thx
[11:33] <ScorpKing> Daisuke_Laptop: i have one of those thingies. :)
[11:34] <stdin> ScorpKing: if you want you can cancel that (Ctrl-C) remove the directory and just checkout kdelibs and kdebase to get the core parts
[11:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i wonder...
[11:34] <ScorpKing> ok. will do
[11:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> would it be feasible to build modern ubuntu packages for ancient versions of these DEs?
[11:34] <stdin> ScorpKing: you can also do "svn ls svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/1.1/" to see what directories there are in the repository
[11:35] <ScorpKing> stdin: and then just get the directories i want, right?
[11:36] <stdin> ScorpKing: yeah, just add the directory name to the end of the command, like  svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/1.1/kdebase
[11:36] <ScorpKing> now it sais - Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.kde.org:443': must i accept?
[11:37] <stdin> yeah, i guess you'll want to do that
[11:37] <ScorpKing> oh. lol
[11:38] <ScorpKing> it's asking for a username and password. i've selected (p). what now?
[11:38] <JimmyDee_> svn
[11:38] <stdin> ScorpKing: just press enter, and same for the password
[11:39] <ScorpKing> :)
[11:39] <stdin> it will probably throw some error out, just keep hitting that enter key
[11:39] <ScorpKing> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/home/kde/branches/KDE/1.1/kde-common/admin' - what's that?
[11:40] <stdin> that's something you ignore probably
[11:40] <ScorpKing> ah
[11:40] <ScorpKing> well, it's done then. thanks guys.
[11:41] <bente> what is the name of the application manager in kubuntu?
[11:41] <stdin> adept
[11:43] <stdin> ScorpKing: you'll want kde-common too, then from the directorys you got do "ln -s ../kde-common/admin admin"  then you can do "make -f Makefile.cvs" to setup the source
[11:43] <stdin> ScorpKing: and that's _if_ it still works :p
[11:44] <ScorpKing> haha. i'll play around. got kde-common. :)
[11:44] <FrankH> hello. question about installing kde4. do i add export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib, etc. to ~/.bash_profile?
[11:45] <stdin> FrankH: no, you don't want to do that
[11:45] <FrankH> stdin: what do I do then?
[11:45] <stdin> FrankH: just do what it says here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[11:46] <FrankH> stdin:  on that page. i guess that i don't understand the install instructions
[11:46] <Phlogi> anyone suceeded in ndiswrapper + hibernate to disk?
[11:46] <blix_> question: How can I play .avi files in Ubuntu?
[11:46] <FrankH> already installed kdebase-workspacw
[11:46] <quixogre> okies. enough geek for one day. off to play battlefield 2 till my eyes bleed
[11:46] <FrankH> workspace
[11:47] <ScorpKing> stdin: is there an easy way to find out what dependancies i'll need for kde 1.1?
[11:47] <stdin> FrankH: you put the command in to a shell, then run kde4 apps, if you put it in your bashrc or bash_profile it will stop normal kde3 from running
[11:47] <JimmyDee_> blix: sudp apt-get install kmediaplayer*
[11:47] <JimmyDee_> err sudo
[11:47] <stdin> ScorpKing: not really no :p
[11:48] <poison--> or: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:48] <poison--> worked 4 me
[11:48] <ScorpKing> ugh. so it's gonna be fun then i guess. :D
[11:48] <stdin> ScorpKing: it may not even be possible to build anymore, I can't remember what version of Qt it even used
[11:48] <quixogre> my god. everytime i lo hassle of running some stupid wizardok at the screen i realize how sweet it is to just download and install programs without having the
[11:49] <quixogre> i  hate my touchpad
[11:49] <ScorpKing> stdin: was there a distro that shipped it?
[11:49] <blix_> JimmyDee_
[11:49] <JimmyDee_> yes?
[11:49] <blix_> that package could not be found
[11:49] <JimmyDee_> my bad kmplayer*
[11:49] <poison--> lol
[11:49] <blix_> lol
[11:49] <blix_> couldn't find that either !
[11:50] <JimmyDee_> well crap then try totem*
[11:50] <poison--> just go to "Add remove programs and search for kaffeine
[11:50] <JimmyDee_> or do that
[11:50] <stdin> ScorpKing: this version was from around '98, back then you had to explicitly install a GUI
[11:50] <poison--> or: sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[11:50] <JimmyDee_> yeah
[11:50] <poison--> :D
[11:51] <JimmyDee_> still need libxine1-ffmpeg right?
[11:51] <poison--> yes
[11:51] <ScorpKing> stdin: i see.
[11:51] <poison--> with kubuntu atleast
[11:51] <poison--> mpeg runs great here
[11:51] <poison--> wmv sux tho
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> vlc
[11:52] <blix_> kaffeine?
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> shall be your saviour
[11:52] <blix_> yeah vlc
[11:52] <blix_> I can't seem to find that
[11:52] <knopnet> vlc rulez
[11:52] <dudeicles> !resolution
[11:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:52] <blix_> what's the package name?
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> um
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> vlc
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> !vlc
[11:52] <blix_> it's not
[11:52] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:52] <knopnet> ru3lz, that is
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info vlc
[11:52] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[11:53] <poison--> kaffeine comes with kubuntu
[11:53] <poison--> k buddies, time to go home and have some cold beer
[11:53] <JimmyDee_> methinks blix dont have his universe opened up
[11:53] <poison--> damn hot in here
[11:53] <poison--> *gone*
[11:53] <blix_> universe?
[11:53] <ScorpKing> cheers poison--!
[11:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> blix_: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[11:54] <blix_> old
[11:54] <stdin> !repos | blix_
[11:54] <ubotu> blix_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:54] <blix_> 6.06 lts
[11:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah yes
[11:54] <blix_> ok
[11:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're going to need to go into the repository management in adept (or synaptic, your choice) and enable the universe repository
[11:55] <Bootman> Hello, everybody. Could someone help me to find, how to set environment variables in Kubuntu? (permanently)
[11:56] <knopnet> rc.local?
[11:56] <Bootman> I tryed to edit .profile, but it doesnt work
[11:56] <stdin> Bootman: for your use, put them in ~/.bashrc like "export VARIABLE=value"
[11:57] <Bootman> thanks, I will try.
[11:57] <marco> hi
[11:58] <blix_> ok enabling universe
[12:00] <Zombine> Does anyone know what an XClient script is?
[12:00] <JimmyDee_> then update
[12:01] <lance> Hi!  This is my first time on a chat forum.  Where can I get information about how to use it.  I have been a Kubuntu user for 2 years and have left Windows forever!
[12:02] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat is a good start
[12:02] <lance> Thanks!
[12:02] <Zombine> 2 years on Linux and you never touched IRC?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> welcome, my son
[12:05] <JimmyDee_> another convert from the dark side
[12:06] <level1_> um, kwlan removed NetworkManager and now I can't get online in ubuntu... I'm on a debian system right now and I tried to install NetworkManager in a chroot, but it didn't work
[12:06] <Dragnslcr> If that's true, he's our new king
[12:06] <Dragnslcr> I can't imagine surviving Linux for 2 weeks without IRC
[12:06] <level1_> why the heck do we even have that package?
[12:07] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:07] <JimmyDee_> plop
[12:07] <level1_> ugh, how do I do this?
[12:07] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: i've used it on and off since 5.10 without any internet.
[12:08] <ScorpKing> hi der Tm_T :D
[12:08] <Tm_T> jawohl
[12:14] <JimmyDee_> linux without internet? foriegn concept here
[12:14] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:14] <JimmyDee_> ok how does one change the background in enlightenment
[12:15] <JimmyDee_> I know I know wrong room
[12:15] <JimmyDee_> I get all this green trash, I want my flaming blackground
[12:16] <lance> Is there a way to convert DVD to FLV ?
[12:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> ew
[12:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> why?
[12:23] <luca> POTETE AIUTARMI
[12:23] <luca> PLESE
[12:23] <luca> A*
[12:24] <Tm_T> luca: yes?
[12:24] <luca> ITALIANI CI SONO
[12:24] <luca> X CASO
[12:24] <Biovore> !it
[12:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:25] <JimmyDee_> easy for him to say
[12:25] <rburnett> hello
[12:25] <JimmyDee_> hello
[12:26] <lance> hello
[12:26] <Tm_T> hello hello
[12:26] <rburnett> how goes it
[12:27] <JimmyDee_> thank you for calling ubuntu tech support how may I be helping you
[12:27] <lance> #new2irc
[12:28] <antiheartache> wow irc commands are like riding a bike
[12:28] <antiheartache> eventually they come back to you
[12:29] <genii> Mybe they're more like a boomerang then
[12:29] <Tm_T> antiheartache: nice nick
[12:30] <antiheartache> lol
[12:30] <antiheartache> fair enough
[12:30] <antiheartache> and thank you
[12:31] <antiheartache> is no one talking or am i lagging real bad?
[12:33] <antiheartache> alright then
[12:33] <Tm_T> antiheartache: noone talking
[12:33] <antiheartache> sad day
[12:33] <Tm_T> heh
[12:33] <Tm_T> !offtopic | antiheartache
[12:33] <ubotu> antiheartache: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:33] <Tm_T> there you'll find more chat ;)
[12:33] <antiheartache> oh good
[12:35] <lance> #kubuntu
[12:36] <davubuntu> Hello, I am running ubuntu 7.04 but have installed kde and am running it instead of gnome. I have been trying to get mp3s working but with no success. I followed this howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and tried the troubleshooting bit for kubuntu 7.04 just in case... but amarok still won't play them. Can someone help me please.
[12:37] <stdin> davubuntu: have you installed "libxine1-ffmpeg" ?
[12:38] <davubuntu> Yes
[12:38] <stdin> well that's the package with the mp3 codec in ti
[12:38] <stdin> it
[12:39] <davubuntu> stdin: yes. Do you think I need to restart or something?
[12:39] <stdin> you have to restart amarok, but nothing else