[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #144610 in launchpad "don't say "please try again" if the site is permanently down" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144610
[01:02] <kiko> poolie, there's a problem with staging updates we're trying to work on.
[01:02] <kiko> err, trying to fix.
[01:02] <poolie> kiko, cool
[01:02] <poolie> kiko, can we talk about this bug janitor thing?
[01:03] <kiko> poolie, not tonight, but I'm going to do a post on news.launchpad.net first thing tomorrow
[01:03] <kiko> it describes bug statuses in some detail
[01:03] <poolie> are you going to reverse the changes to bazaar bugs?
[01:04] <kiko> poolie, as curtis has written to launchpad-users, yes
[01:06] <poolie> i don't see him saying that
[01:06] <poolie> he has a post to launchpad internal about doing it
[01:06] <poolie> but nothing public
[01:06] <poolie> or at least he said it in a very obscure way
[01:06] <kiko> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/13885
[01:06] <kiko> sorry, I'm really busy right now (working on exactly that)
[01:07] <poolie> ok
[01:07] <poolie> thanks
[01:11] <poolie> i forwarded that
[01:37] <Balaams_Miracle> It is quite possible i am missing or misinterpreting something, but in translations.launchpad.net (TLP), i see a new column called "need review". When i click a package that TLP claims has entries that need review, there is nothing to review. Is this a bug? Or is it flawed logic on my part?
[01:38] <Balaams_Miracle> Oh, it might be useful to know that i am a member of the Dutch translation team, and that i am logged in.
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #144620 in soyuz "Some displayed sourcepackagerelease changes files don't have attribution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144620
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Balaams_Miracle: I've seen a few similar cases, but I'm not sure of a bug number.
[01:48] <Balaams_Miracle> Well, if you say it is a bug, i will assume that i didn't misinterpret the purpose of that column :-)
[01:49] <Fujitsu> I had a look a few days ago, and as far as I can tell it is a bug.
[01:49] <Fujitsu> But I only look at the translations stuff every few months, so I'm not sure.
[01:54] <Balaams_Miracle> If you (or anyone else) want to take a look at it now, here's the Dutch translation page: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+lang/nl
[02:36] <poolie> it would be nice if launchpad turned email attachments into bug attachments
[02:39] <Fujitsu> poolie: Bug #30225
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30225 in malone "Attach files via email" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30225 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[02:40] <poolie> thansk
[02:45] <poolie> hello jml
[02:47] <jml> poolie: hi
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #144636 in launchpad "cancel button in bug subscribe confirmation page is a freak" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144636
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #144650 in rosetta "TranslationImportQueueEntry.dateimported should be renamed to date_uploaded" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144650
[05:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Hi mpt.
[05:08] <mpt> Boy, I just go away for a week and a half, and look what happens ;-)
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #144656 in rosetta "Suggestion code causing PG log spam" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144656
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #144664 in launchpad "Help tab provides no help on Feedback page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144664
[07:27] <lifeless> thumper: how do you feel about running the reviewer meeting again?
[07:41] <spiv> lifeless: thumper is on leave
[07:41] <lifeless> oh
[07:41] <lifeless> I'm seeking a victim
[07:41] <lifeless> thank you for volunteering?
[07:42] <spiv> Heh, sure.
[07:42] <spiv> I haven't done one for a while.
[07:44] <lifeless> danke
[07:46] <spiv> BjornT, jamesh, jml_: review team meeting in 14 minutes.
[07:48] <jml_> thanks.
[08:00] <spiv> MEETING TIME
[08:00] <spiv> .au review team meeting agenda:
[08:00] <spiv>  * Roll call
[08:00] <spiv>  * Next meeting
[08:00] <spiv>  * Queue status
[08:00] <spiv>  * Watch out for global state changes
[08:00] <spiv>  * Mentoring update
[08:00] <spiv> = Roll call =
[08:01] <spiv> Who's here?
[08:01] <jtv> me
[08:01] <spiv> I know I am ;)
[08:01] <spiv> jtv: oh hi, I forgot to ping you earlier.  Thanks for remembering :)
[08:02] <lifeless> hi
[08:02] <jamesh> hi
[08:02] <lifeless> I is mostly here
[08:02] <jtv> spiv: should I remind you to ping me next time?
[08:02] <spiv> jtv: a list of expected attendees for on the ReviewerMeetingAgenda might be a good idea...
[08:02] <jml_> me
[08:02] <lifeless> myself
[08:02] <lifeless> where is Irene
[08:03] <spiv> I guess BjornT isn't up yet?
[08:03] <spiv> And thumper is on leave.
[08:03] <lifeless> isn't he going to be at the Malone sprint ?
[08:03] <spiv> = Next meeting =
[08:03] <spiv> lifeless: ah, could be.  No apologies are listed though...
[08:03] <spiv> Same time next week?
[08:03] <jml> yes.
[08:04] <spiv> Ok.
[08:04] <spiv> = Queue status =
[08:04] <spiv> Not so good.  There's a lot of unallocated reviews, including overdue reviews.
[08:04] <jml> yeah
[08:05] <jml> is that because of some deliberate week 4 thing?
[08:05] <spiv> I count 10 unallocated reviews, 3 of which are already late.
[08:05] <jml> or is it just an oversight?
[08:05] <spiv> lifeless, jamesh: you're listed as allocators.  Any idea what's happened?
[08:06] <lifeless> I suck, but bzr sucks less
[08:07] <mpt> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "sucks"
[08:07] <spiv> mpt: must be plugin ;)
[08:09] <spiv> jamesh, lifeless: will one of you do allocations after the meeting?
[08:09] <spiv> lifeless: :)
[08:10] <spiv> jamesh: looks like you're "it"
[08:10] <jamesh> okay
[08:10] <spiv> jamesh: thanks
[08:10] <spiv> = Watch out for global state changes =
[08:11] <spiv> I'm not sure who added this item, but I assume it's related to that troublesome socket.setdefaulttimeout in a test.
[08:12] <spiv> There's a new CodeReviewChecklist page too.
[08:12] <jml> I like that
[08:12] <spiv> Which mentions this issue.
[08:12] <jamesh> I wonder if pylint or pyflakes can speak doctest?
[08:13] <jamesh> it seems like the kind of thing those tools are designed to look for, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't look at our doctests
[08:13] <spiv> jamesh: they don't understand doctest, sadly.
[08:14] <spiv> In theory it's probably not too hard to improve them.
[08:14] <spiv> That might be a worthwhile project.
[08:15] <spiv> Anyway, consider yourselves reminded to watch out for careless changes to global state when reviewing.
[08:15] <spiv> = Mentoring update =
[08:16] <spiv> Any news from mentors or mentees?
[08:16] <spiv> (is "mentees" even a word?)
[08:16] <spiv> (apparently it is)
[08:16] <jml> (how embarrassing for English)
[08:16] <jml> none from me.
[08:17] <spiv> I don't think there was actually much reviewing done last week, because of the phase of the release cycle we were in.
[08:17] <jml> also because of allocation.
[08:17] <spiv> Ouch.
[08:17] <lifeless> well
[08:17] <lifeless> there are three allocators
[08:17] <lifeless> we must all suck equally
[08:18] <spiv> lifeless: sure, there's only two of you here to pick on though :)
[08:18] <lifeless> gnar gnar gnar
[08:18] <jml> I wasn't meaning to be narky -- sorry.
[08:18] <spiv> Actually, someone should ping salgado about the lack of allocations too.
[08:19] <spiv> I volunteer myself to do that.
[08:19] <spiv> = Other business/ =
[08:19] <spiv> ?
[08:19] <spiv> Anything else we should talk about?
[08:19] <spiv> 5
[08:19] <spiv> 4
[08:19] <lifeless> thanks spiv
[08:20] <spiv> 3
[08:20] <spiv> 2
[08:20] <lifeless> don't forget to minute on the web and mail
[08:20] <spiv> 1
[08:20] <spiv> 0.5
[08:20] <spiv> 0.25...
[08:20] <spiv> 0
[08:20] <jml> spiv: thanks.
[08:21] <spiv> Thanks everyone.
[08:21] <spiv> (meeting ends!)
[08:22] <pwnguin> what meeting was that?
[08:23] <spiv> pwnguin: launchpad code review team meeting.
[08:23] <pwnguin> ah
[08:23] <spiv> pwnguin: well, for the people on timezones close to .au
[08:28] <carlos> morning
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #144675 in blueprint "Can't register dependencies while registering a blueprint" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144675
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #144681 in blueprint "After registering a blueprint, can't begin registering another one in one click" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144681
[09:10] <poolie> does the general public always have access to edge?
[09:11] <poolie> i thought sometimes it was in a closed beta?
[09:12] <jamesh> poolie: edge has always been open to the public
[09:12] <jamesh> poolie: beta.launchpad.net is what we have used for closed betas
[09:12] <poolie> ok,
[09:13] <poolie> i had some idea that they were the same, or that edge went away during closed betas?
[09:13] <jamesh> don't know
[09:18] <mpt> For a few days before rollouts, beta testers are redirected to edge
[09:23] <Fujitsu> mpt: It's now permanent.
[10:26] <mpt> Fujitsu, ah, so it is, (I hope) that's why I keep getting timeouts
[10:46] <TomaszD> carlos, could you check the template for f-spot? I have a serious hunch that it's not up-to-date
[10:46] <carlos> sure
[10:48] <carlos> TomaszD: there is nothing pending to be imported for it. and latest update was ....
[10:48] <carlos> TomaszD: ok, for some reason the .pot file is not being updated
[10:48] <carlos> latest update was 2007-03-04
[10:49] <TomaszD> carlos, I knew something was wrong!
[10:49] <TomaszD> :] 
[10:49] <carlos> so I guess there is something wrong when the build tries to generate the .pot file
[10:49] <carlos> either it fails or it's not even tried
[10:49] <TomaszD> because many many strings are missing and I'm sure that it's fully translated into Polish, as I've translated it
[10:50] <TomaszD> carlos, can you do something about it or is this a matter requiring the involvement of f-spot maintainer, etc?
[10:50] <carlos> no, I cannot do anything, you need to f-spot maintainer
[10:51] <carlos> s/to/the/
[10:52] <TomaszD> carlos, alright, thanks
[10:52] <carlos> TomaszD: you can point him to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9301218/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.f-spot_0.4.0-0ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz and look for xgettext
[10:52] <carlos> there is an error that prevents the build to generate the .pot file
[10:52] <TomaszD> alright, that's what I needed
[10:55] <TomaszD> I'm looking for the name of the maintainer but I can't find it anywhere
[10:55] <TomaszD> I'll just report a bug
[10:56] <carlos> TomaszD: thanks
[11:01] <TomaszD> ha, found him, Andrew Mitchell apparently
[11:01] <TomaszD> ajmitch, are you the f-spot maintainer?
[11:01] <TomaszD> ajmitch, because if you are, look here please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/144707
[11:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144707 in f-spot "[gutsy]  f-spot build doesn't generate the .pot file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[12:09] <iwj> Would there be any chance of having bug 144719 (which I have just discovered) fixed very soon ?
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144719 in soyuz "Packages files not included in md5sums.gz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144719
[12:09] <iwj> It has broken my local mirror which makes many things I do routinely very impractical.
[12:11] <oojah> Hmm, seven years bad luck.
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #144719 in soyuz "Packages files not included in md5sums.gz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144719
[12:24] <TomaszD> carlos, the bug got fixed :]  I'm no going to stop bothering you though :]  is the gtk+ core package using rosetta? I can't find it :( I made some changes upstream quite a long time ago and I can't find the changes in Ubuntu
[12:24] <TomaszD> *not
[12:25] <carlos> TomaszD: gtk+ 1 ?
[12:25] <carlos> or 2?
[12:25] <TomaszD> 2
[12:29] <TomaszD> carlos, 2. There's like a hundred or more packages with gtk in the name
[12:29] <TomaszD> I can't find gtk+ 2 core
[12:31] <TomaszD> I'm basically looking for this http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gtk+
[12:31] <carlos> TomaszD: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gtk+2.0/
[12:31] <TomaszD> ah
[12:32] <TomaszD> seems like everything is fine, last update 17th September, but the last langpack update had taken place on the 14th, so I have to wait a bit
[12:37] <TomaszD> carlos, does it really have to take seven days for a po import to rosetta? I'm waiting for one import since 18th. Maybe an infrastructure upgrade should be in order :]  btw the langpack upgrade is long overdue, last one was on 14th September, so 9 days ago
[12:37] <TomaszD> It was supposed happen twice a week
[12:38] <carlos> we are working on improve the import performance, it shouldn't be so slow
[12:38] <carlos> about the lang pack update
[12:38] <carlos> we are in a migration process and had a small problem that broke the export
[12:39] <carlos> planned for yesterda/today
[12:39] <TomaszD> I see
[12:39] <carlos> after beta release we should be back to normality
[12:40] <TomaszD> great! :] 
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #144744 in launchpad-bazaar "get a better design for loggerhead" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144744
[01:59] <mgallagh> I'm having issue with uploading to a PPA
[01:59] <mgallagh> I follow the steps in the quick start guide exactly, but nothing ever shows up in launchpad
[02:38] <pkern> Could an LP admin please deal with QA 13637?
[02:38] <pkern> (QA as in Q&A)
[02:39] <pkern> (i.e. conversion of utnubu-maintainers to a team.)
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> does LP have a way to look for debdiffs i've attached to bugs?
[02:40] <kiko> pkern, it depends on a bug being fixed, unfortunately
[02:40] <kiko> Kamping_Kaiser, not currently. so you attach debdiffs to bugs?
[02:40] <kiko> what are they debdiffs of?
[02:40] <pkern> kiko: Ok.
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> kiko, i have done... fix for the bug, whatever it was. dont remember the bug, only that i attached to it
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... i think i do remember actually *checks*
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> found it... couldnt remember it until i talked about it *heh*
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> would still be nice to look on attachments *shrug*
[02:43] <kiko> Kamping_Kaiser, do you mean search through attachments?
[02:43] <kiko> Kamping_Kaiser, you can search for patches. when you uploaded your debdiff you could have marked it was a patch
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> kiko, search for bugs which you've attached something to
[02:44] <kiko> and then search for it in the advanced search.
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, cheers
[02:56] <cosmodad> hi all -- isn't it possible to use Launchpad in order to file a bug to upstream?
[02:56] <cosmodad> I cannot figure a way to do it but thought it was feasible
[03:08] <lamont> given an extant bug @bugs.debian.org, is there any way to trivially create a dup in LP, or do I have to create a fresh bug and use also-affects?
[03:11] <kiko> lamont, the former. BjornT's working on a patch for 1.1.10 that lets you do exactly that
[03:16] <Fujitsu> kiko: This `patch' being the continuous BTS bug importing?
[03:18] <kiko> Fujitsu, well, push-button debbug syncing
[03:18] <Fujitsu> The continuous stuff has been deferred again?
[03:20] <kiko> Fujitsu, no, it's just that it depends on that happening first.
[04:05] <iwj> I'm afraid I have another missing mail.  Perhaps someone would be able to find out what LP did with it ?
[04:06] <iwj> Sep 25 14:35:47 fiordland postfix/local[5858] : 48B8BB682F3: to=<launchpad@mail.canonical.com>, orig_to=<new@bugs.launchpad.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[04:06] <iwj> apparently.
[04:06] <iwj> BjornT: ^  (last time, someone suggested you might know ...)
[04:22] <BjornT> iwj: i can't find anything in the error logs. make sure that the From address is registered in LP, we silently drop the e-mail if the address isn't registered.
[04:28] <iwj> BjornT: This is the same setup that has been sending lots of email.
[04:28] <iwj> (which works, obviously)
[04:28] <iwj> And yes the From: address and the signing key are registered.
[04:29] <iwj> Surely it must be possible to find out what has happened to a particular mail ?
[04:34] <BjornT> iwj: it is, but it's not always easy, and i don't have direct access to find out. i can look into it, though, what's the message id?
[04:35] <iwj> elmo: ^ can you get the Message-ID: header from your logs ?
[04:35] <elmo>  id=20070925130514.784755075@cadmium.buildd
[04:35] <iwj> My system doesn't generate its own Message-ID - it lets the MTA do that - so I don't have it my my records.
[04:36] <iwj> elmo: Thanks.
[04:36] <iwj> BjornT: ^
[04:36] <iwj> BjornT: Feel free to redirect me to someone else.
[04:36] <iwj> It may well be my fault somehow.  These mails are a bit fiddly to get right it seems.
[04:37] <iwj> I wasn't expecting things to be this fragile so it doesn't keep all of the records that would be useful for email debugging.
[04:38] <iwj> Tue Sep 25 14:46:51 BST 2007: considering ( target=source) starting selected "subversion" adt-run 12 uploading email "new@bugs.launchpad.net" signing email-recorded done 0.
[04:38] <iwj> seems to have gone missing too.
[04:38] <iwj> And I have an actual copy of that mail, which looks good and whose signature verifies.
[04:38] <iwj> cd subversion/svnversion && /bin/bash /root/adt-downtmp/dsc0-build/subversion-1.4.4dfsg1/BUILD/libtool --tag=CC --silent --mode=link gcc  -version-info 1 -g -O2  -pipe -Wall -g -O2 -pthread  -O2  -o svnversion  main.o ../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la ../../subversion/libsvn_wc/libsvn_wc-1.lFrom: Ian Jackson <ian+ubuntu-autopkgtest@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
[04:38] <iwj> To: new@bugs.launchpad.net
[04:38] <iwj> What ?
[04:38] <iwj> Excuse me, mispaste.
[04:39] <iwj> From: Ian Jackson <ian+ubuntu-autopkgtest@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
[04:39] <iwj> To: new@bugs.launchpad.net
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #144794 in launchpad "Exception in PPA email response" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144794
[04:54] <hexmode> is lauchpad mirroring behind?
[04:55] <hexmode> I added a branch last night and it still hasn't updated
[04:56] <hexmode> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~hexmode/+junk/power-saver
[05:11] <iwj> BjornT: Were you able to find it ?
[05:14] <BjornT> iwj: no, i haven't found someone with access yet. it'll probably have to wait until tomorrow.
[05:16] <iwj> Errr.
[05:17] <iwj> Who should I be talking to ?
[05:18] <kiko> ddaa, ping
[05:18] <kiko> ddaa, see hexmode's question above, I'm wondering if it has to do with the rollout.
[05:18] <ddaa> pong
[05:19] <ddaa> nothing to do with the rollout
[05:19] <ddaa> I'll check to see if the script is hung again
[05:19] <BjornT> iwj: i got hold of kiko now. we don't have any record of that mail in the db, which means that LP never got it.
[05:21] <BjornT> iwj: the first thing that happens when LP gets an e-mail is that we log that we got it. even if something goes wrong when processing the mail, we still have a record of getting it. i don't know what could have happened with that e-mail.
[05:23] <kiko> BjornT, did we log we got that email?
[05:23] <ddaa> right, the script appears hung again
[05:23] <ddaa> siginting now
[05:24] <iwj> elmo: ^
[05:26] <BjornT> iwj, kiko: oh wait, we just upload the message to the librarian, we don't insert anything in the db. let me take another look...
[05:33] <BjornT> kiko: could get a list of all LibraryFileAlias created around 14:35:47 (not sure whether BST or UTC), with a content type of message/rfc822, and which aren't referenced by a Message?
[05:39] <kiko> BjornT, there is no datecreated on LFA.
[05:40] <iwj> Would it help if I supplied more details ?
[05:41] <iwj> The most recent email I have a copy of the body text, although no Message-ID (see logfile entry ^ up there).  And for the other email I asked elmo to look at, we have the Message-ID but unfortunately not a copy of the body - just some timestamps.
[05:42] <kiko> BjornT, can it be libraryfilecontent.datecreated?
[05:42] <kiko> BjornT, if you give me some SQL I can run it -- I can't do too much guessing as I am already spread too thin right now.
[05:43] <iwj> I'm surprised you don't have some easier way to answer this question ...  MTAs keep logs specificially for tracing lost messages.
[05:44] <kiko> BjornT, have we looked at the MTA logs on lpnet itself?
[05:44] <iwj> BTW, 14:35:47 is BST.
[05:44] <iwj> kiko: That log entry came from elmo and is on the relevant machine I think.
[05:45] <iwj> The one on fiordland, I mean.  It claims delivery to a maildir, which I assume is where LP itself picks it up.  If it were deliverying to another MTA I would hope it would use SMTP.
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #144823 in launchpad "libraryfilealias lacks a datecreated column" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144823
[05:56] <kiko> BjornT?
[05:57] <oly_mk2> hi could some one please point me in the direction of the unregister branch option, if its available 
[05:58] <kiko> oly_mk2, on +edit there is a delete button.
[05:58] <BjornT> kiko: sorry, was in another discussion. yes, LibraryFileContent.datecreated should do. i can give you a sql query, just a minute.
[05:59] <oly_mk2> i can not see +edit 
[05:59] <oly_mk2> https://code.launchpad.net/~oly/ looking there currently 
[05:59] <oly_mk2> want to remove the 15 weeks old one, because its part of a team now rather than mine 
[06:01] <kiko> oly_mk2, and did you try https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~oly/usm/development/+delete ?
[06:01] <oly_mk2> oh i see you meant add +edit to the address 
[06:01] <oly_mk2> okay will do :)
[06:02] <oly_mk2> okay that worked a treat, thxs kiko 
[06:02] <kiko> oly_mk2, most welcome.
[06:02] <iwj> Is it likely to be this difficult every time a mail vanishes in LP ?
[06:04] <oly_mk2> the +edit was useful to know as well, been wanting to rename the other branch 
[06:05] <kiko> oly_mk2, so all that is accessible from the individual branch's page
[06:05] <kiko> iwj, be patient
[06:05] <kiko> BjornT, 1 minute is up :)
[06:07] <iwj> kiko: Sure, sorry.  I don't mean I'm in a hurry.  It just seems like I'm putting you to an enormous amount of trouble.  Sorry !
[06:07] <kiko> iwj, no, I want us to find out what's wrong, this is not a common occurrence
[06:08] <iwj> kiko: OK.  It's happened to more than one mail from my same test robot this afternoon, so perhaps something changed recently ?
[06:08] <iwj> It was working yesterday.
[06:08] <kiko> normally rejected email goes to a list, which I read daily, and what isn't rejected is processed, and what fails blows up and becomes an OOPS or error in the mail processing script. normally. :)
[06:08] <kiko> not that I can find easily
[06:09] <BjornT> kiko: try running this (it might be really slow, though): https://pastebin.canonical.com/349/plain/
[06:09] <kiko> BjornT, I thought you were going to use LFC.datecreated. okay.
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #144740 in postgresql (universe) "Able to trigger backend segmentation faults via tsearch2 (dup-of: 141637)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144740
[06:10] <BjornT> kiko: well, i'm interested to see if we are getting a lot of unhandled e-mail. if it's too much, let's limit it using datecreated.
[06:11] <kiko> BjornT, so nothing else in the librarian is stored with message/rfc822?
[06:11] <kiko> running
[06:11] <BjornT> kiko: i don't think so. but i'll prepare a query limiting on datecreated as well.
[06:12] <kiko> BjornT, well, wait until I get you a result. ;)
[06:13] <BjornT> kiko: i just remembered that that query probably will include more e-mails than i'd hoped for :)
[06:13] <kiko> right now it's giving me none!
[06:17] <BjornT> kiko: that's odd. does it give you any rows if select only by mimetype?
[06:18] <kiko> well, it's hung on the query. :)
[06:18] <kiko> BjornT, yep, it does.
[06:19] <BjornT> kiko: so, did the original query give you 0 rows, or did it just hung?
[06:19] <kiko> it hung
[06:19] <kiko> but message.raw is usually null
[06:21] <kiko> BjornT, https://pastebin.canonical.com/350/
[06:24] <dneary> heyho
[06:25] <dneary> kiko: Hi there
[06:25] <dneary> kiko: Ran a new pb in a semi last weekend - 1:36
[06:26] <kiko> hey dneary -- hey, that's a pretty good time!
[06:26] <dneary> Thanks :)
[06:26] <dneary> Hoping to get under 1:30 this season
[06:26] <dneary> I went through 10k in 44 minutes - so I started too fast
[06:27] <oojah> And then finished too slow... :)
[06:29] <kiko> BjornT: https://pastebin.canonical.com/351/
[06:31] <dneary> kiko: I uploaded a .pot and a bunch of .po files for the wengophone today
[06:31] <dneary> For a branch we'll be releasing next month
[06:31] <dneary> Any idea when they might get imported?
[06:32] <kiko> dneary, we can get them done by tomorrow I think. danilos: ^^^
[06:32] <danilos> kiko, dneary: we make turns in processing the import queue on monday, wednesday and friday
[06:33] <danilos> dneary: is it a problem to have that imported tomorrow?
[06:33] <BjornT> kiko: ok, a bit too many. let's limit it on datecreated
[06:33] <dneary> danilos: No problem - I just would like to announce that translations are open
[06:33] <dneary> Even though we're not yet at a definitive string freeze for another 2 weeks
[06:34] <dneary> There are about 100 changed strings which are changed in trivial ways (things like "Find out more about Wengo's services" changed to "Find out more about %PROVIDER%'s services"
[06:35] <danilos> dneary: ok, I marked the template as approved, everything else should start flowing in in a few hours at most (when auto-approval script picks them up)
[06:36] <dneary> great - thanks
[06:36] <iwj> 5448  mlockall(MCL_CURRENT|MCL_FUTURE)  = 0
[06:36] <iwj> ECHAN
[06:39] <BjornT> kiko-fud: https://pastebin.canonical.com/352/
[06:41] <kiko-fud> https://pastebin.canonical.com/354/
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #144848 in rosetta "Speed up online translation copying pouring callbacks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144848
[06:55] <BjornT> iwj: i've found the e-mail you sent now, but i don't know know yet what went wrong. i don't have time to look closer at it now, but i'll do it either later tonight or tomorrow
[06:57] <iwj> BjornT: Thanks.
[06:58] <iwj> BjornT: If you could give me a link to it or a copy of it or something, then I could check to see that it looks the same as my copy.
[06:58] <iwj> Or sane, anyway (if it's the one that I don't have a copy of).
[06:59] <BjornT> iwj: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9502263/9Q6MzsiK3KPCFt1IJXtHiRL48nP.txt
[07:01] <iwj> gpg: Good signature from "Ian Jackson (autopkgtest bug submitter - do not use) <iwj@ubuntu.com>"
[07:02] <iwj> The rest of it looks good to me too.
[07:02] <iwj> BjornT: Anyway, thanks, and let me know what you conclude.
[07:25] <bersace_> hi
[07:26] <bersace_> strange, my package took 7 minutes to buil don amd64
[07:26] <bersace_> and it's still building for i386 for 11 minutes
[07:26] <bersace_> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bersace/+archive/+build/398351
[07:26] <bersace_> i guess it should take about the same time
[07:27] <bersace_> last build for i386 took 7 minutes
[07:27] <bersace_> :/
[07:28] <bersace> 13 minutes !
[07:28] <bersace> i'm wondering if my package isn't doing some nasty things on samarium
[07:31] <bersace> damn, 16 minutes :/
[07:31] <cprov> bersace: don't worry, slave-scanner is blocked by a queue-builder run.
[07:31] <bersace> cprov: what does that mean ?
[07:31] <bersace> ah
[07:31] <bersace> done !
[07:31] <bersace> ouf !
[07:31] <bersace> :)
[07:32] <cprov> bersace: that you job might be ready, but won't be collected because the machine was doing something else
[07:32] <bersace> well, ok
[07:49] <lbm> hmm, seems to be a problem when trying to merge accounts
[07:49] <lbm> OOPS-633B1197
[07:49] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/633B1197
[08:16] <andrea-bs> hello everyone
[08:31] <sabdfl> hey all
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hi sabdfl 
[08:32] <sabdfl> Hobbsee! how are you?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: tired!
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ;)
[08:33] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: it seems that most people dont undersatnd the distinction between milestones and nominate for release, btw.
[08:36] <ScottK> Hello sabdfl
[08:51] <sabdfl> hey ScottK
[08:52] <sabdfl> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2
[08:52] <sabdfl> i'll tidy up the layout too
[08:53] <ScottK> sabdfl: That's definitely an improvement.  How about having links to the version specific pages too.
[08:54] <ScottK> It's just text now.
[08:54] <ScottK> Same as you have already in the version history for each release.
[08:55] <ScottK> Saves the need to scroll down and hunt for the one you want.
[08:57] <sabdfl> sure
[08:58] <ScottK> Great.
[09:00] <ScottK> sabdfl: Component is another item from the old page that would be very useful for me to see there (since component varies over time).
[09:02] <sabdfl> too much information for that page, i think
[09:03] <ScottK> sabdfl: OK.  Well I was looking at the publishing history page for stuff I am often missing and that's the main thing I still don't see.
[09:03] <ScottK> This is definitely a great improvement though.
[09:03] <sabdfl> you're welcome ;-)
[09:03] <ScottK> sabdfl: Thank you.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> under ubuntu version they are not even some are off to side.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> ScottK: were you the one that asked me to take pics from book store yesterday?
[09:09] <ScottK> gnomefreak: I think that's what he meant by he'd tidy up the layout.
[09:09] <ScottK> No.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[09:09] <gnomefreak> maybe it was bdmurry than
[09:10] <gnomefreak> ubuntu books galore at the book stores in area
[09:10] <gnomefreak>  :)
[09:57] <Laibsch> How can I *remove* a remote bugwatch if it was attached erroneously?
[10:15] <kiko> Laibsch, visit the bug watch's page (use the little pencil) and press delete.
[10:17] <Laibsch> kiko: Thanks for the hint
[10:17] <Laibsch> I can change the bug number but I cannot delete it
[10:17] <kiko> Laibsch, what's the URL?
[10:17] <Laibsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45747/+watch/35501
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45747 in linux-source-2.6.15 "CPU scaling no longer supported on Via C3 Ezra" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[10:17] <Laibsch> kiko: I was faster ;-)
[10:17] <Laibsch> Is that the URL you meant?
[10:17] <kiko> Laibsch, the button is missing because the watch is linked to an active task
[10:17] <kiko> yes, perfectly!
[10:17] <Laibsch> Maybe I lack the power?
[10:18] <Laibsch> active task?
[10:18] <kiko> linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu)
[10:18] <Laibsch> IOW, the kernel bug can only be deleted when 45747 has been closed?
[10:18] <kiko> well
[11:02] <lucius-antonius> i need some help with manually importing POT files into Rosetta. can someone here help me?
[11:08] <sistpoty> are you still planning to undo the janitor bug closage by restoring the old bug status *and removing any janitor comments*?
[11:09] <ScottK> sistpoty: I haven't seen anything saying they were going to undo them all, only the ones they didn't mean to get.
[11:10] <sistpoty> ScottK: give me a second, I'll dig the mail
[11:10] <ScottK> K
[11:10] <sistpoty> (or read it properly *g*)
[11:19] <sistpoty> ScottK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-September/002309.html (first paragraph=
[11:19] <ScottK> looks even
[11:21] <ScottK> sistpoty: I hadn't seen that one.
[11:22] <sistpoty> ScottK: it's not about the idea in general, but rather about how to revert, at least the first paragraph, that's why I'm asking here (and my mail from work account is still in moderation)
[11:22] <flacoste> sistpoty: plan is to revert the status and remove the comments for all bugs that weren't modified afterwards
[11:23] <sistpoty> flacoste: imo it would be much better to just add a new comment stating that the bug state was reverted. (but I guess I've written that in my mail already)
[11:24] <flacoste> sistpoty: you replied to the launchpad-users thread?
[11:24] <sistpoty> flacoste: if I were to see that some bad things in a web page just vanish I'd be very anxient against this page
[11:24] <sistpoty> flacoste: yes
[11:25] <sistpoty> flacoste: stefan.potyra@informatik.uni-erlangen.de (vs. sistpoty@ubuntu.com, my home addy with wich I'm subscribed)
[11:26] <LaserJock> obviously I live in the wrong TZ, the Rosetta people always seem gone when I need them :-)
[11:26] <sistpoty> hey LaserJock
[11:26] <flacoste> sistpoty: i don't see your email in the thread...
[11:26] <sistpoty> flacoste: strange... you checked the moderation q?
[11:26] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[11:26] <flacoste> sistpoty: i don't have access to the moderation queue, it might be there
[11:26] <LaserJock> I don't think I got an email about it from you
[11:27] <sistpoty> flacoste: most probably, as stated above ;)
[11:27] <LaserJock> I'm guessing it's in the queue
[11:27] <flacoste> sistpoty: was Curtis Hovey CC on the email?
[11:27] <flacoste> sistpoty: his the one working on that, so if you CC him, at least, he'll have received your comments
[11:27] <sistpoty> flacoste: yes, but the contents were basically the same as I told here (I was at work, though I keep myself short *g*)
[11:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:28] <sistpoty> flacoste: I'm only curious, since the following mails from him didn't state if he received my mail
[11:28] <flacoste> sistpoty: i'll poke him about that
[11:29] <sistpoty> flacoste: thanks a lot!
[11:29] <sistpoty> LaserJock: btw. may I query you?
[11:29] <LaserJock> sure
[11:38] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[11:38] <LaserJock> darn
[11:38] <LaserJock> I hoped to get out before you showed up
[11:40] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67348 the last comment looks like spam...
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67348 in update-manager "A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade. (dup-of: 58424)" [Undecided,New]  
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58424 in update-manager "Can't calculate the upgrade with unofficial mesa/compiz packages " [Low,Fix released]   - Assigned to Michael Vogt (mvo)
[11:55] <sabdfl> Adri2000: i've mailed him to see how that happened
[11:55] <sabdfl> odd
[11:55] <sabdfl> we don't require GPG sigs on normal mail comments
[12:04] <pwnguin> orly
[12:05] <pwnguin> gmail doesn't support gpg natively, so that's handy. i wager you'd like that fixed however
[12:06] <pwnguin> while speaking with vint cerf, he suggested that he'd rather see elliptic curve signatures than gpg's approach
[12:06] <ScottK> ECC has patent issues though.
[12:06] <pwnguin> no kidding
[12:07] <pwnguin> fortunately, he's only an advisor and evangelist, not a designer / developer ^_^