[01:22] <CountX> when is part 2 coming out
[01:22] <CountX> "Steal this film"
[01:22] <rsk> ah..
[01:23] <rsk> would have to ask in efnet in the piratebay's channel
[01:23] <rsk> ops piratepartie's
[01:23] <CountX> i will go :)
[01:24] <CountX> what is the channel?
[01:25] <CountX> for piratebay?
[01:25] <rsk> ask in #piratbyran.org
[01:26] <CountX> is that the english one?
[01:26] <rsk> there's only one
[01:26] <CountX> is that you in there?
[01:26] <rsk> jup
[01:27] <cdm10> Is the beta looking to be on-time?
[01:28] <rsk> cdm10 there's no updates on that so i think so..
[01:28] <cdm10> rsk: ok
[01:28] <cdm10> I have a badly broken system, so I'm using Windows 'till I can reinstall with the Gutsy beta.
[01:28] <CountX> oh yeah, i have a prob too
[01:29] <CountX> when i boot up it complains about harddrive format checking or something
[01:29] <CountX> and i have to press ctrl+alt+del to start ubuntu
[01:30] <Xero> Does anyone have a dual boot system so they can help me with a small website issue?
[01:33] <CountX> Xero: i dual boot
[01:33] <Xero> CountX, try to view http://www.xero-games.com in IE
[01:33] <Xero> tell me if the picture appears.
[01:33] <CountX> one sec
[01:34] <CountX> i dont know if i have IE
[01:34] <Xero> If you have Windows, you have IE. Trust me.
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> yeah, it can't function without it
[01:34] <h1st0> Actually you can install windows without ie.
[01:34] <h1st0> tinyxp
[01:35] <Xero> Once again, I ask if this world truly exists. EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!!
[01:35] <databuddy> h1st0
[01:35] <databuddy> try using browser in folder to go to an inet addy
[01:35] <databuddy> ie is integrated in still
[01:36] <h1st0> no its hacked out
[01:36] <h1st0> doesn't work anymore.
[01:36] <h1st0> You haven't played with tinyxp yet.
[01:36] <CountX> Xero: emo?
[01:36] <CountX> h1st0: i have xp x64
[01:37] <CountX> Xero: http://pure-wrath.com/yeah%20it%20works.JPG
[01:37] <Xero> CountX, no. I unplugged my ethernet to discover I have wireless, even though Ubuntu doesn't detect it (neither does Windows!), and now I hear of WinXP without Internet Explorer.
[01:38] <Xero> CountX, then it's my school's fault.
[01:38] <Xero> Thanks for helping.
[01:38] <CountX> Xero: glad i could help
[01:38] <CountX> Xero: you do that graphic in gimp?
[01:39] <Xero> Also, TV Links and DAEMONTools.
[01:39] <Xero> CountX, no. Kagar did it.
[01:39] <CountX> Xero: what about tv-links and DEAMONtools?
[01:39] <Xero> CountX, I see them on your desktop/taskbar
[01:39] <Xero> Whats your msn by the way?
[01:39] <CountX> Xero: oh haha
[01:39] <CountX> why?
[01:40] <Xero> I don't know. I ask everyone.
[01:40] <CountX> lol
[01:40] <Xero> Large buddy list makes you look like a bigger nerd.
[01:40] <Xero> :)
[01:40] <NeoGeo64> I wish it would hurry up and be october 17
[01:40] <CountX> NeoGeo64: what for?
[01:40] <NeoGeo64> so the new version is out
[01:40] <Xero> CountX, for Gutsy to be official
[01:40] <maccam94> i thought it was the 18th
[01:40] <CountX> Xero: wooohooo
[01:41] <jepp> tried to install WLAN (Atheros 5006EG) on my Acer Aspire 7520G by using the WinXP driver, but this doesn't work. iwconfig: "no wireless extensions."
[01:41] <NeoGeo64> whats new in the next version
[01:41] <Xero> CountX, so what's your MSN anyway?
[01:41] <CountX> Xero: i /msg'd you
[01:41] <Xero> I don't see it.
[01:41] <CountX> Xero: look harder
[01:42] <CountX> Xero: HOW MANY LIGHTS DO YOU SEE!!!
[01:42] <Xero> It isn't at the bottom of my XChat, where I keep that kind of stuff, so it's not there,
[01:42] <Xero> I see 4 "lights".
[01:42] <CountX> :P
[01:42] <CountX> ok you pass
[01:43] <CountX> Xero: marcel.lowrie@gmail.com
[01:43] <CountX> Xero: im not on right now tho
[01:43] <Xero> Woah. You just gave that out to the channel.
[01:43] <CountX> i dont know what to use for msn on linux
[01:43] <Xero> Beware of spambots.
[01:43] <Xero> CountX, try Pidgin or Kopete.
[01:43] <CountX> that would only give me an excuse to use another email
[01:43] <NeoGeo64> pigdin.. i still cannot believe they renamed it pidgin
[01:43] <NeoGeo64> gaim was so much better
[01:43] <CountX> lol
[01:43] <Xero> gaim induced lawsuits.
[01:44] <NeoGeo64> how about laim
[01:44] <NeoGeo64> linux aol msger
[01:44] <Xero> *aim = LAWSUIT
[01:44] <CountX> Xero: besides msn messenger asks you if you want to add someone before they can msg you, why would it matter if i gave it out on here?
[01:44] <hydrogen> unless your program name is naim
[01:44] <hydrogen> in which case you don't get a lawsuit
[01:44] <hydrogen> because no one knows about you
[01:44] <jepp> has anybody an Aspire 7520G with the same problem?
[01:45] <Xero> CountX, because your email was just given out on a spambot-prone interweb hole.
[01:45] <CountX> jepp: wireless?
[01:45] <NeoGeo64> idk my bff jil
[01:45] <jepp> yes
[01:45] <CountX> Xero: i dont use that gmail :P
[01:45] <h1st0> rofl @ NeoGeo64
[01:45] <NeoGeo64> the new name change angers me
[01:45] <NeoGeo64> it makes me wanna go out and stab people with a pencil
[01:45] <h1st0> What name change?
[01:45] <Xero> I stab cows with a pencil.
[01:45] <Xero> Then they go MOOOOOOOOOOOOO and kick me.
[01:45] <NeoGeo64> pencils rule. theyre so much better than pens.
[01:46] <CountX> NeoGeo64: as long as you yell things about the government whilst doing said stabbing, you ok in my book
[01:46] <Xero> lol CountX
[01:46] <Xero> Also, i think this is offtopic.
[01:46] <NeoGeo64> 911 was an inside job, bush is a retard, iraq is a quagmire
[01:46] <NeoGeo64> stab stab stab
[01:46] <CountX> NeoGeo64: ok, now shhh
[01:46] <CountX> lol
[01:46] <CountX> they eye in the sky will hear
[01:47] <NeoGeo64> What do I do with all of these old Linux CDs I have?
[01:47] <Xero> I'm banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, so come to my channel if you want offtopic chat.
[01:47] <Xero> It's in my whois if you dont know where my channel is.
[01:47] <jepp> sound also doesn' work on my laptop
[01:48] <CountX> jepp: thats a real bummer
[01:48] <CountX> jepp: jep that sucks
[01:48] <CountX> i mean yep
[01:48] <jepp> :(
[01:49] <h1st0> NeoGeo64: what name chnage?
[01:49] <CountX> Xero: did you just rip a bunch of flash games and put them on your site/
[01:50] <Xero> CountX, yes.
[01:50] <Xero> Not rip, though.
[01:50] <Xero> They were 'webmaster games' mostly, and it's for my school.
[01:50] <jepp> thought that atheros is supported by ubuntu...is there anything I can do?
[01:50] <SpudDogg> has anyone tried to run sopcast on gutsy?  i have the program running, but i don't get any video at all.  do i need to open a link in mplayer?  if so, what's the default address?
[01:51] <Xero> ITs a collection of school approved games and crap I like.
[01:52] <_sidd> jepp: have you tried ndiswrapper, or driverloader?
[01:52] <jepp> I tried ndiswrapper: "Hardware present"
[01:52] <jepp> but it stillt doesn't work
[01:52] <CountX> Xero: damnit that space invaders i can never beat it
[01:53] <Xero> lol CountX
[01:53] <CountX> Xero: you should run a runescape server
[01:53] <CountX> Xero: make it a fun server
[01:53] <Xero> CountX, how do I do that?
[01:53] <CountX> Xero: very illegally
[01:54] <_sidd> jepp: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader
[01:54] <CountX> Xero: well not in my opinion, but yeah jagex doesnt like it
[01:55] <Xero> CountX, how would people connect to that?
[01:56] <CountX> Xero: you host a .jar on your site, and its used as a client
[01:56] <CountX> Xero: and you run a server on a machine at home or w.e
[01:57] <Xero> CountX, if you host the server I'll host the client.
[01:57] <Xero> Deal?
[01:58] <CountX> Xero: lol, i dont need a client, :P i have server
[01:58] <CountX> pure-wrath.com is mine
[01:58] <CountX> plus, i dont know that it works on linux
[01:58] <Xero> It doesn't except the client, which runs thru java
[02:00] <jepp> _sidd, there doesn't exist a download for my kernel (2.6.22-12-386) :(
[02:01] <Xero> CountX, there's a runMoparScape-linux.sh
[02:01] <Xero> It runs on Linux.
[02:01] <CountX> Xero: im lookin for it
[02:02] <CountX> Xero: did you find a link
[02:02] <Xero> CountX, yes.
[02:02] <Xero> CountX, what port should I run that on?
[02:02] <CountX> Xero: link me?
[02:02] <Xero> I'm thinking 6112.
[02:02] <CountX> Xero: i dont remember
[02:02] <Xero> CountX, 6112 is my Warcraft port.
[02:03] <Xero> If i run MoparScape while I'm not running Warcraft, I can use 6112.
[02:03] <Xero> What's your server IP?
[02:03] <CountX> hmmm, good question
[02:04] <jepp> hope that ubuntu will support hotkeys/WLAN/Sound/Chip for my Acer Aspire 7520G as soon as posible...
[02:04] <rsk> jepp: i hope that too
[02:05] <CountX> Xero: where did you find the linux moparscape?
[02:05] <jepp> Vista wins...for now
[02:05] <jepp> :( :( :( :(
[02:05] <CountX> jepp: no it doesnt, it never won
[02:06] <Xero> CountX, it came with the Windows one.
[02:06] <jepp> in this special situation it wins
[02:06] <jepp> because industry do what they say
[02:06] <rsk> jepp: i think aces is talking about shipping linux for some selected computers
[02:06] <_sidd> jepp: if you have ethernet... you can use the installer from their website.
[02:06] <rsk> acer*
[02:07] <jepp> _sidd  I am using ethernet...ok I try
[02:07] <_sidd> jepp, it downloads and builds the modules for your version of the kernel.
[02:08] <_sidd> jepp, you may need the linux-headers for your kernel installed.
[02:09] <jepp> _sidd, can I also use dldrinstall.run?
[02:09] <_sidd> jepp, yes that's the one I meant.
[02:11] <terlmann> I have a bug to report but I want someone else to file it
[02:11] <terlmann> I am lazy :-)
[02:13] <ReL1K> anyone here got a t61 with intel drivers working decent?
[02:13] <terlmann> It is a bug that appears when you install feisty : run the network shares command while running synaptic in download mode ( already getting some packages. Network shares will request you install smb  stuff ,tell it no. close the network shares dialog. this immediatly crashes synaptic
[02:13] <jepp> _sidd: "The generic package is not compatible with this system since kernel modules can't be compiled. There is also no pre-compiled package available for your kernel. Please read "Pre-compiled vs. generic packages" for more information."
[02:14] <jepp> :(
[02:14] <_sidd> jepp... does it say why it can't compile the modules?
[02:15] <_sidd> ReL1K... I have a T61 with intel graphics.
[02:15] <jepp> it only says, that there are no package compatible for my kernel.
[02:16] <ReL1K> _sidd: hows everything working, have you gotten your fingerprint reader working?
[02:17] <ReL1K> compiz is still buggy since its being blacklisted atm
[02:18] <_sidd> ReLiK... I don't have a fingerprint reader.
[02:18] <ReL1K> ah
[02:18] <_sidd> ReL1K, compiz doesn't work for me either.
[02:19] <choward_> I get compiz (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[02:19] <choward_> :(
[02:20] <ReL1K> _sidd you can fix it
[02:20] <ReL1K> sudo nano compizon
[02:20] <ReL1K> #!/bin/sh
[02:20] <ReL1K> SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[02:20] <ReL1K> control x, yes
[02:20] <ReL1K> chmod 755 compizon
[02:20] <ReL1K> cp compizon /usr/local/bin
[02:21] <ReL1K> then just type compizon to get it working
[02:21] <ReL1K> or you can add the SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz--replace in services section
[02:21] <_sidd> ReL1K, nice!
[02:21] <nomasteryoda|w> sweet
[02:22] <_sidd> Thanks, I'll try that.
[02:22] <ReL1K> np
[02:22] <choward_> didn't work for me
[02:23] <nny> umm.. did an update today and having terminal issues.. whenever I try to do commands like "dmesg" into remote boxes, it dies and I have to restart xterm..
[02:23] <nny> only in ssh sessions to remote boxes though
[02:23] <nny> and it doesn't matter what box -_-
[02:23] <ReL1K> choward_: right click on your desktop and turn desktop effects to on
[02:25] <nomasteryoda|w> now will that compizon work for kubuntu as well?
[02:25] <wabid> any chance someone can pm me and help me with xorg
[02:25] <nomasteryoda|w> not much noise here wabid
[02:26] <wabid> it should work with kde
[02:26] <nomasteryoda|w> if its gutsy, then you should be able to ask here
[02:26] <nomasteryoda|w> ok
[02:26] <wabid> as far as i know it should replace kdes window manager
[02:26] <nomasteryoda|w> i just have to start mine most times by hand
[02:26] <nomasteryoda|w> replace ... wild
[02:26] <ReL1K> nomasteryoda|w: not sure, ide assume so
[02:27] <ReL1K> and _sidd, have you got dual mons working?
[02:27] <nomasteryoda|w> i only got from the #!/bin/sh
[02:27] <nomasteryoda|w>  on down
[02:28] <bernier> Hi, where can I find a tut on making work my ati card with compiz?
[02:29] <ReL1K> bernier: try from the command shell: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[02:29] <ReL1K> see if that work
[02:29] <ReL1K> works
[02:29] <ReL1K> _sidd:  another good thing to try
[02:29] <ReL1K> that gives you some nice resolution
[02:29] <nny> anyone got a method for troubleshooting xterm hanging on remote session when doing things like dmesg, etc. that require scrolling of terminal?
[02:29] <_sidd> ReL1K: I was able to clone my screen to an external display using xrandr
[02:29] <ReL1K> sudo xrandr --output LVDS --auto
[02:30] <nomasteryoda|w> i have dual working on my nvidia on the desktop... with gutsy...
[02:30] <bernier> Rel1k: /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No composite extension
[02:30] <nomasteryoda|w> compiz too
[02:30] <ReL1K> nomasteryoda|w: yea, nvidia's are working nice its the intels that are having probs
[02:30] <ReL1K> _sidd: yea, i have a dvi and vga output on my docking station hooked up to both monitors
[02:30] <ReL1K> can't get both to work
[02:31] <nomasteryoda|w> needs to add # Section "DRI"
[02:31] <nomasteryoda|w>    # Mode    0666
[02:31] <nomasteryoda|w>     #  EndSection
[02:31] <nomasteryoda|w>  to the end of xorg.conf
[02:31] <nomasteryoda|w> without #'s
[02:31] <ReL1K> nomasteryoda|w: is this true for intel cards too?
[02:32] <DanaG> Argh, black screen on resume from suspend.
[02:32] <_sidd> ReL1K: sudo xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA --auto
[02:32] <DanaG> **** nvidia.
[02:32] <nomasteryoda|w> i had to do that on this intel based laptop
[02:32] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[02:32] <nomasteryoda|w> worst you can do is try
[02:33] <ReL1K> _sidd: does that work?
[02:33] <nomasteryoda|w> just change the file if not
[02:34] <ReL1K> yea, ill try it when i get into work tomorrow
[02:34] <_sidd> ReL1K: it had worked for me... but I haven't tried it recently (after the most recent updates).
[02:34] <AmyRose> Speaking of Compiz, how do you get it to stop falling back on metacity? I want it to fall back on kwin instead
[02:35] <nomasteryoda|w> AmyRose, you can manually edit the config file
[02:35] <nomasteryoda|w> and set it
[02:36] <AmyRose> nomasteryoda|w: And how would I do that?
[02:37] <nomasteryoda|w> just  a min
[02:38] <nomasteryoda|w> look under ~/.compizconfig/
[02:38] <nomasteryoda|w> bbl
[02:44] <jim> how make a chroot of ubuntu? debbotstrap?
[02:46] <wabid> can someone please apt-get install firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support and take a screenshot, it will also install firefox-granparadiso as a dependency
[02:50] <RAdams> is anyone else having a problem with gusty forgetting what plugins you've selected?
[02:55] <jim> RAdams: I'm totally new here, but I'm also a dd... is there not a bug tracking system you can check?
[02:56] <RAdams> jim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/144122
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144122 in pidgin "Pidgin 2.2.0 Forgets Plugin Selections (Ubuntu Gusty x86 Tribe 5)" [Undecided,New] 
[02:56] <RAdams> ;)
[02:56] <RAdams> One step ahead of you
[02:56] <jim> so you found it :)
[02:56] <RAdams> Just wondering if anyone here is using gusty x86
[02:56] <DanaG> Is there an easy way to bind samba only to lo and tap0?
[02:56] <RAdams> So we can !confirm
[02:57] <rsk> i am
[02:57] <jim> as long as you're one step ahead... you know how to make a chroot of any version of ubuntu?
[02:57] <RAdams> rsk, can you open pidgin and make some plugin selections?
[02:57] <RAdams> and jim, yes
[02:57] <rsk> sure
[02:58] <RAdams> rsk: make some selections, close it and see if it remembers them
[02:58] <RAdams> you have to close the whole program
[02:58] <rsk> ok
[02:58] <rsk> restarted it
[02:58] <rsk> choosed 2 plugins
[02:58] <jim> would it be as easy as obtaining a debootstrap config file and let it fly?
[02:58] <rsk> anything else+
[02:59] <RAdams> rsk, it remembered those plugins?
[02:59] <rsk> lets c
[02:59] <rsk> yes
[02:59] <jim> #include <stdio.h<
[02:59] <RAdams> :|
[02:59] <jim> ohh, he meant let's SEE
[03:00] <rsk> ghhehe
[03:00] <RAdams> jim if ubotu was here, I'd send !lame | jim
[03:00] <rsk> ;)
[03:00] <RAdams> rsk, do you mind posting your prefs.xml to pastebin?
[03:01] <rsk> where is it located
[03:01] <wabid> anyone think they could help me with this - http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/screenshotvt1.png
[03:01] <RAdams> ~/.purple/prefs.xml
[03:02] <FatDave> hey RAOF.  you around?
[03:02] <jim> purple pink prefs ping purposely privatizing porn
[03:03] <rsk> http://pastebin.ca/709851
[03:03] <RAdams> wabid: view settings are same in both browsers?
[03:03] <RAdams> ty rsk
[03:03] <RAdams> checking now
[03:03] <wabid> yea
[03:03] <wabid> its a fresh install of both
[03:03] <jim> so here is my situation
[03:04] <jim> I run debian
[03:04] <wabid> its not just the page thats fucked up
[03:04] <wabid> look at the toolbars
[03:04] <jim> I want to see what ubuntu looks and acts like
[03:04] <wabid> sorry bout swearing
[03:04] <jim> so
[03:04] <jim> I want to make a chroot of ubuntu
[03:04] <jim> I don't have anything downloaded, I figured debootstrap can do it...
[03:04] <jim> where do I go from here?
[03:05] <RAdams> rsk: you're the best! that fixed it!
[03:05] <RAdams> I had a bum prefs.xml somehow
[03:05] <RAdams> now my pidgin remembers plugin selections
[03:05] <RAdams> I stole yours
[03:05] <RAdams> lol
[03:05] <jim> also
[03:06] <jim> I'm kinda shying away from rebooting, since it seems like my cmos battery won't hold a charge...
[03:06] <riotkittie>  i blacklisted the rt2500usb driver and loaded 2x00usb... and now my adapter seems to not exist :|
[03:06] <RAdams> jim: CMOS battery = $8 :|
[03:06] <RAdams> You might be a Linux user if...
[03:07] <riotkittie> $8 = a lot of beef jerky.
[03:07] <RAdams> instead of spending 8 bucks on a cmos battery, you just never reboot
[03:07] <RAdams> linux: because you can
[03:07] <RAdams> I should go into the commercial biz
[03:07] <riotkittie> more like... linux: because you like it when it hurts :|
[03:07] <RAdams> lol
[03:07] <RAdams> It hurts but it feels good
[03:08] <RAdams> ubuntu +1= ubuntu-spam
[03:08] <jim> right now I dont want to reboot... if I go to the trouble of replacing the cmos battery, I might go all the way and get a quad core amd64
[03:08] <RAdams> lol!
[03:08] <RAdams> we are kindred souls
[03:08] <RAdams> damn battery... NEW PROCESSOR TIME
[03:08] <riotkittie> i'm glad i broke because i dont have those issues :D
[03:08] <jim> I already put a dual amd64 on the mail server... deleting spam has never been so fast
[03:10] <jim> now if I can get spamassassin going on that box with trainable bayes, I'm set :)
[03:10] <FatDave> anyone wanna give a go at debugging a weird nvidia restricted driver problem?
[03:13] <nemik> is anyone running compiz here?
[03:13] <wabid> yea
[03:13] <nemik> can you try something for me really quick?
[03:13] <nemik> run terminal from Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal. then maximise it with the little top-right box icon
[03:13] <wabid> sure
[03:13] <wabid> k
[03:13] <nemik> is it totally maximised or are sides and top kinda cut off?
[03:14] <wabid> actually it a little undersized
[03:14] <nemik> at the top?
[03:14] <nemik> but firefox is fine, right?
[03:14] <wabid> yea
[03:14] <nemik> like this: http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5974/screenshoteb0.png ?
[03:15] <wabid> terminal is definatly wrong
[03:15] <wabid> yea exactly
[03:15] <nemik> gvim is the same. it's making me crazy
[03:15] <wabid> yea i noticed it before i think nautilus might do it too
[03:15] <nemik> but firefox, calculator, etc are ok
[03:15] <wabid> i lied
[03:15] <wabid> nautilus is fine
[03:15] <nemik> nautilus is fine
[03:15] <nemik> yea
[03:16] <wabid> i noticed it before, i know something else is wrong too
[03:16] <nemik> it was fine like 2 weeks ago. i tried with gtk-window-decorator instead of emerald and same thing. may be a gtk or compiz problem
[03:17] <nemik> what video card you running?
[03:17] <m1r3> morning
[03:17] <m1r3> anyone awake ?
[03:17] <wabid> sure
[03:17] <m1r3> hi m8
[03:18] <wabid> xchat doesnt have a problem
[03:18] <wabid> thats gtk right?
[03:18] <m1r3> can u help me with somthing ?
[03:18] <wabid> probably not but you can try
[03:19] <m1r3> i installed today all updates for gutsy and lost wlan support , with kernel from cd everything works ok , but after update ,wlan card just wont work
[03:19] <wabid> sorry i updated today too and my wlan still works
[03:19] <RAdams> alright... how do you send a file in pidgin?!?!
[03:19] <RAdams> I've forgotten
[03:19] <RAdams> D:
[03:19] <RAdams> trying to send to someone on aim
[03:20] <m1r3> click on name right click
[03:20] <m1r3> wabid , what wlan card u have ?
[03:20] <wabid> atheros something
[03:20] <wabid> whatever ibm/lenovo was shipping a year ago
[03:21] <m1r3> ye that is too good :D
[03:21] <wabid> how bout you
[03:21] <m1r3> i have dlink usb wlan key
[03:21] <wabid> i gotta disappear to the library for 10 min
[03:21] <wabid> see ya
[03:21] <m1r3> at my suprise after install gutsy, it worked like charm , but after upgrade, all my happines ...
[03:21] <m1r3> ok c u m8
[03:24] <jim> cum 8??
[03:24] <m1r3> :)
[03:24] <m1r3> jim , u know somthing bout wlaln ?
[03:24] <jim> nope
[03:25] <m1r3> kk
[03:25] <jim> right now I'm trying to run debootstrap to create a ubuntu on some other partition
[03:25] <RAdams> m1r3: report it on launchpad, and see if there are any similar bugs
[03:26] <m1r3> radams , can u give some advice about it ?
[03:26] <nemik> is anyone running compiz?
[03:26] <m1r3> i never done it b4
[03:27] <RAdams> m1r3: www.launchpad.net/ubuntu sign up and follow the steps, they make it very easy and it automatically searches for similar bugs
[03:27] <RAdams> it's very handy
[03:27] <RAdams> and a great way to help bring support about for buggy hardware
[03:29] <m1r3> ok creating account
[03:32] <m1r3> radams ,how do i add one for this problem ?
[03:32] <m1r3> name of usb card or ?
[03:33] <RAdams> A good title might be "Recent Gusty Update Breaks Support for XXXXXX" where the x's are your usb key model
[03:33] <RAdams> more details are better
[03:33] <m1r3> problem is i reinstaled system so i can get back online
[03:33] <m1r3> but i drop all info i can
[03:33] <m1r3> tnx m8
[03:33] <RAdams> and someone is probably going to want to see the results of this command: lsusb
[03:34] <m1r3> lsusb detected card corectly even after upgrade
[03:34] <m1r3> i paste that in too
[03:34] <RAdams> thanks for contributing to launchpad! its what makes ubuntu even better. :)
[03:34] <RAdams> yes
[03:34] <m1r3> np, thank you for help m8
[03:34] <RAdams> if it's long, use a pastebin
[03:34] <m1r3> just one line in lsusb
[03:41] <tripzero> anyone know how well gutsy works with touchscreens?
[03:43] <DanaG> Odd: shared folders isn't working, even with an additional Local network interface.
[03:43] <DanaG> And I got a BSOD again, in vbox-something.
[03:49] <m1r3> gn all
[03:57] <CountX> can someone help me get my wireless working
[03:57] <CountX> anyone?
[03:58] <tripzero> countx, what's your problem?
[03:59] <wabid> can anyone help/explain this - http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/screenshotvt1.png
[03:59] <CountX> tripzero: i installed ndiswrapper, then tried to make my bcm43xx work, then it didnt
[03:59] <CountX> now im told that the bcm43xx works with the latest kernel
[03:59] <CountX> :(
[04:00] <CountX> also, how can i edit a .fla on ubuntu?
[04:01] <fignew> wabid: what about it?
[04:01] <wabid> somethings wrong with gran paradiso
[04:02] <wabid> notice how some elements are huge
[04:02] <tripzero> countx whats in a .fla that you need to edit?
[04:02] <CountX> tripzero: whats usually in a .fla, lol, a flash file
[04:02] <CountX> tripzero: more specifically my website
[04:05] <CountX> whats a good php/html graphical editor?
[04:06] <wabid> dreamweaver
[04:06] <CountX> for linux?
[04:06] <CountX> holy shite for realz OMG
[04:07] <tripzero> countx, gedit
[04:07] <tripzero> or phpedit
[04:07] <tripzero> those are two good ones
[04:07] <CountX> oh..
[04:07] <CountX> well, i meant GUI
[04:07] <CountX> like dreamweaver
[04:08] <CountX> cause i dont actually program, in anything
[04:08] <tripzero> and as for your wifi, have you made sure that ndiswrapper supports your card?
[04:08] <CountX> i just need to make a website :P
[04:08] <CountX> i uninstalled ndiswrapper
[04:08] <tripzero> there aren't any really good wysiwyg editors in Linux IMHO
[04:08] <CountX> cause someone said that the latest firmware make his card work
[04:09] <tripzero> countx, so the support is already built into the gutsy kernel?
[04:09] <tripzero> you just need to load the driver right?
[04:09] <osirisx11> hi all, what is the easiest way to upgrade to latest gutsy from 7.04?
[04:09] <jim> linux is really more about tech stuff... wizzywig is not necessarily what linux is best at... but I'd like to see something like a wm that has the same power of expression as the shell
[04:10] <bur[n] er> osirisx11: change your sources.list, update & dist-upgrade
[04:10] <tripzero> jim, I agree, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a good wizzywig for linux
[04:10] <osirisx11> thats it??
[04:10] <CountX> tripzero: i dont know hw
[04:11] <bur[n] er> osirisx11: indeed.  tread lightly with development versions.  it hasn't even hit beta yet
[04:11] <tripzero> countx, do you have the firmware downloaded?
[04:11] <osirisx11> ok ty
[04:11] <tripzero> brb
[04:13] <CountX> tripzero: i dont know where to get it from
[04:15] <tripzero> countx, do a google search for your wireless card's model number + linux
[04:15] <jim> tripzero: true... besides, isn't openoffice any good?
[04:15] <jim> what about the gimp?
[04:16] <CountX> the restricted driver manager says my card is in use
[04:17] <jim> so if I build a chroot using the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[04:17] <tripzero> ooooo, the plot thickens
[04:17] <jim> and I do so after mounting some new formatted partitions there, should I be able to chroot in there?
[04:17] <jim> would it start the daemons etc
[04:18] <tripzero> countx, in a terminal type ifconfig
[04:18] <tripzero> tell me if you see a wlan0 or a wifi0 in there
[04:18] <CountX> tripzero: nope, nothing
[04:18] <jim> if not try ifconfig -a
[04:19] <jim> nothing??
[04:19] <CountX> i get, eth0, eth1, and lo
[04:19] <tripzero> do you have two ethernet cards in there?
[04:19] <jim> but ifconfig without -a is no output?
[04:19] <CountX> one lan one modem and a wireless
[04:20] <jim> is this a laptop
[04:20] <CountX> ifconfig alone returns eth0 and lo
[04:20] <CountX> jim: yes
[04:20] <tripzero> what about iwconfig?
[04:20] <jim> maybe one of your eths is really a firewire thing
[04:20] <CountX> eth1 is a wireless
[04:21] <CountX> Broadcom 4311
[04:21] <tripzero> I love broadcom :|
[04:21] <CountX> tripzero: me2 :|
[04:21] <CountX> ok, the only reason im on here is cause i dont have any drugs or beer
[04:21] <jim> so no one has done a chroot lately??
[04:21] <CountX> and i figure if im sober i might as well do something worthwile
[04:22] <CountX> fix my wireless and learn a little about linux
[04:22] <CountX> and i assure you, im in this chat room a lot, so what i learn i will help others to do later
[04:22] <jim> learn something about the shell
[04:22] <CountX> jim: no
[04:22] <jim> as mentioned before, it's where the power is
[04:22] <jim>  your loss
[04:26] <tripzero> countx, what does iwconfig return again?
[04:27] <tripzero> and have you tried going into System->Admin->Networking?
[04:28] <tripzero> and trying to connect to your AP
[04:28] <Vissud> hello..I recently updated to the latest nvidia drivers, and now X won't recogonize my external lcd when I'm docked..any ideas?
[04:31] <CountX_> ok im back
[04:31] <CountX_> it still doesnt work after loading the firmware
[04:32] <wabid> what version of the ati drivers is installed from the restricted driver manager, is it 8.40.4
[04:33] <stdin> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:33] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.4-12.3 (gutsy), package size 8357 kB, installed size 22472 kB
[04:33] <stdin> ^ 8.37.6
[04:33] <CountX_> i installed my wireless through the restricted-manager and it still doesnt work
[04:33] <CountX_> :(
[04:34] <wabid> how can i figure out if ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run will work with my card
[04:34] <wabid> and why is the gutsy not the newest driver
[04:34] <Vissud> wabid: nvidia?
[04:34] <wabid> no
[04:34] <wabid> ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64
[04:35] <shirish> after updates I'm getting an error about XKB configuration
[04:35] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/709931
[04:35] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/709931 for reference
[04:36] <CountX_> anyone have a bcm4311 working on a laptop?
[04:38] <CountX_> im having a but of trouble getting mine to wrok
[04:38] <wabid> think i should install 8.40.0 ?
[04:39] <NeoGeo64> someone help me
[04:39] <NeoGeo64>  i was havin sex on cocaine and the excitement was too much to handle and i puked
[04:39] <NeoGeo64> when i get too excited i puke
[04:39] <CountX_> hahaha
[04:39] <NeoGeo64> i need to talk to a dr
[04:39] <NeoGeo64> this isnt normal
[04:39] <CountX_> it is for you :P
[04:39] <NeoGeo64> what kind of doctor do i need?
[04:40] <CountX_> NeoGeo64: did you see that dog puking video?
[04:40] <NeoGeo64> yes
[04:40] <CountX_> NeoGeo64: funny stuff
[04:40] <NeoGeo64> yeah
[04:40] <NeoGeo64> my dog eats poop
[04:40] <CountX_> is there any reason my bcm4311 shouldnt be working with the newest firmware
[04:41] <tripzero> countx, do you have network-manager running?
[04:41] <CountX_> tripzero: yep yep
[04:41] <tripzero> does it see your card?
[04:41] <CountX_> no
[04:42] <CountX_> but it recognizes wireless
[04:43] <CountX_> wireless connection roaming mode enabled
[04:44] <tripzero> countX, does your AP have encryption?
[04:44] <tripzero> or better yet, does your card have a LED to indicate that it's working?
[04:45] <CountX_> tripzero: my card has a light, but its only and on/off light
[04:45] <CountX_> tripzero: its off :(
[04:45] <tripzero> lame
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> one thing I've seen lately with NetworkManager... you have to start the thing as root... then restart the gnome networkmanager or the knetworkmanger
[04:49] <AmyRose> OK, stupid Compiz won't run because I don't have Metacity installed!
[04:50] <tripzero> countx, the only thing I can find on google is using ndiswrapper
[04:50] <tripzero> I'm sure when gutsy hits mainstream there will be a nice howto on getting the broadcrap to install
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> AmyRose, so you using ubuntu, xubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:52] <AmyRose> nomasteryoda: Kubuntu, because I hate GNOME and XFCE :P
[04:53] <Vissud> hello..I recently updated to the latest nvidia drivers, and now X won't recogonize my external lcd when I'm docked..any ideas?
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> AmyRose, ok. makes sense...
[04:55] <AmyRose> Any ideas on how to get Compiz to stop demanding that metacity be installed?
[04:55] <AmyRose> I really do not feel like installing GNOME just to use Compiz on KDE
[04:56] <CountX_> tripzero: still nothing bro
[05:00] <CountX> ok im back and things still dont work
[05:01] <CountX> when i run sudo iwlist eth1 scan i get this: eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[05:02] <CountX> yet iwconfig reports that eth1 is my wirelless card
[05:02] <stdin> CountX: does "iwlist scan" show anything ?
[05:03] <CountX> stdin: yes but it shows nothing
[05:03] <CountX> lol
[05:03] <stdin> nothing on meaning I guess you mean
[05:03] <CountX> stdin: lo cant scan, eth0 cant either, and no scan results for wth1
[05:04] <CountX> and when i do that with sudo it says the same for lo and eth0 but eth1 suddenly doesnt support scanning: no such device
[05:04] <stdin> mad
[05:05] <CountX> mad?
[05:06] <stdin> yep, mad, insane and generally unstable, mad
[05:06] <CountX> that sucks
[05:07] <tripzero> iwconfig eth1 up?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> hang on CountX ... most bcm cards can't scan
[05:07] <CountX> like, am i doomed, it was said ealier on this same exact channel that someone had the same wifi card in a simular laptop had upgraded and it suddenly worked
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> in linux
[05:07] <CountX> nomasteryoda: so i have to know the ssid?
[05:07] <CountX> i dont follow?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> i know what you are saying
[05:07] <CountX> i just broke my cat5e too, man..
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> how?
[05:08] <CountX> the little prong thing at the end broke
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> dang
[05:08] <CountX> so it wont stay in
[05:08] <CountX> like it wont click, it just kinda hangs
[05:08] <CountX> plastic peice of crap
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> ah, well small piece of duct tape and a piece of a popcicle stick will make it stick in
[05:08] <CountX> if it doesnt support scanning then how can i find networks?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that is the actual wire not the hardware, right?
[05:09] <CountX> yeah
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> just a min
[05:09] <CountX> i'll just have to go to the computer goodwill and get another..
[05:09] <CountX> nomasteryoda: thanks for helping
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> or a dumpster
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> =
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> i have about 10 i got from local comuter dumpster
[05:09] <CountX> im kinda sitting in my hallway holding my eth cable to the side of my laptop
[05:10] <CountX> i dont have clippers and the plastic prongs but i would totally do that
[05:10] <CountX> if i had my own car
[05:10] <CountX> otherwise i would look like a hobo
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> man
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:10] <CountX> yeah, it would be sad
[05:10] <CountX> i could beg my mom to do it
[05:10] <CountX> that would be lame tho
[05:10] <CountX> plus she wont let me drive her mustanf
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> heheh
[05:10] <CountX> mustang*
[05:11] <Vissud> hello..I recently updated to the latest nvidia drivers, and now X won't recogonize my external lcd when I'm docked..any ideas?
[05:11] <CountX> i would totally speed tho im irresponsible
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> Vissud, install the nvidia-settings tool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> it should
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> witht hat
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> with that thing
[05:12] <CountX> i already had nvidia-settings installed when i installed the drivers
[05:12] <CountX> too bad theres no desktop shortcut for it
[05:12] <CountX> less people would have trouble
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> you can have it save a new configuration for your cards/monitor (xorg.conf) and then put it into the /etc/X11/ folder as sudo of course
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> there is one on the menu
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> at least in mine
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> kde that is
[05:12] <FatDave> anyone an nvidia master in here?
[05:12] <CountX> wait a sec brb
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> FatDave, i have 2 systems with nvidia
[05:13] <FatDave> well, i have a pretty strange problem if you'll hear it
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> one with 6.10 and another with gutsy
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> shoot
[05:13] <FatDave> i'm on gutsy.
[05:14] <FatDave> first i'll give you a history so you don't have to ask all of the normal questions :)
[05:14] <FatDave> I installed gutsy from the iso.
[05:14] <FatDave> ran all of the updates via update manager
[05:14] <FatDave> then enabled the nvidia restricted drivers
[05:15] <FatDave> now, whenever I reboot I get the "failsafe graphics" screen
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> CountX, check this out... sure its for dapper, but the directions are close to what I would tell you to try
[05:15] <FatDave> I have captured a log on pastebin if you want to see it
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> oh, nice
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, let me think on that a min
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> FatDave, did you manually set the xorg.conf file?
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i would also install nvidia-settings
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> makes life with it simpler
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i ask about the file ... because i had same thing h appen
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> it sucked badly
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> only failsafe it was...
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> i had to mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup ...
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> then run the nvidia-settings ...
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> or even nvidia-xconfig (console command)
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> which makes a nice new nvidia settings xorg.conf file...
[05:18] <FatDave> i had nvidia-xconfig  set up my xorg.conf and it ended up looking like: http://pastebin.com/d385cf5dd
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> then try to get x to load .. don't reboot, but try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (or gdm if you use ubuntu)
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> ooking
[05:19] <FatDave> i then rebooted and my xorg log is as follows: http://pastebin.com/m5c55e543
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> you installed nvidia-glx right?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> or the "restricted manager driver"
[05:20] <FatDave> yes
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> what model card is it?
[05:21] <Frogzoo> really a feisty gripe, but why can't suspend stay working across kernel upgrades? this on again off again is killing me
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> newer?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> does stink for sure Frogzoo .. irks me too
[05:21] <FatDave> GeForce4 MX or something of the like
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:22] <FatDave> nVidia NV18 GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU
[05:22] <FatDave> thats what lspci yields
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> FatDave,  run... lspci |grep nV
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> well, that's a new card...
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> i would ... aptitude remove nvidia-glx
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> then aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> and see what happens with a reboot...
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> the file looks okedoky
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> xorg.conf that is
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> that is the error that lead me to say that
[05:24] <FatDave> the system is like 2 or 3 years old
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:25] <FatDave> is there a listing of what cards are supported by the drivers?
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> i had to use the newer drivers... my system is about 3 yrs old too
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> NV31 [GeForce FX 5600XT]  (rev a1)
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> that is my card
[05:27] <FatDave> hm.  i think i tried the newer drivers and it failed the same way.  but i've scrubbed the machine since then.  do you really think i should try it?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> hmm.. latest update has killed my sound.
[05:28] <DShepherd> does flash still cause firefox to freeze up in gutsy?
[05:28] <AmyRose> DShepherd: Why would anyone want to use that horrible browser? :P
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> FatDave, i would
[05:29] <DShepherd> AmyRose, what would you recommend? :-P
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:29] <AmyRose> DShepherd: Konqueror and Opera are my personal faves
[05:29] <AmyRose> Konqueror moreso than Opera
[05:29] <FatDave> me hang on?
[05:29] <DShepherd> AmyRose, its gots some great extensions... firebug is my bestfriend
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i use firefox and konqueror
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> using Gran Paradisio now
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i.e. ff3
[05:30] <DShepherd> AmyRose, the day konqueror and Opera has a 'firebug' like extension... then i will switch
[05:30] <DShepherd> but i use Opera from time to time. Konqueror less so
[05:30] <DShepherd> epiphany too
[05:30] <AmyRose> I am not a web developer, but I do like Konqueror's sidebar
[05:30] <DShepherd> but still.. you didnt ansa my question. you know my ansa?
[05:30] <AmyRose> and its rendering speed
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> FatDave, yup
[05:32] <DShepherd> nomasteryoda, you use flash?
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> i have flash here
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> working fine
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> watch youtube
[05:33] <DShepherd> nomasteryoda, kool. and thats ff3 you say?
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> firefox 3 ya
[05:33] <DShepherd> k
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> it installed automagically into my /home profile
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> the flash plugin that is
[05:34] <hydrogen> opera is the only option.
[05:34] <DShepherd> nomasteryoda, ah ok
[05:35] <jim> so if I'm running debian...
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> jim, what?
[05:35] <jim> and I want to make a ubuntu chroot (initially) with the idea of having it be an independent boot
[05:35] <jim> (all this cause I want to see it)
[05:35] <brianski> howdy - is xorg 7.3 and composite by default still in gutsy?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, lol
[05:36] <brianski> s/in/planned for/
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> it is default if hw supports
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> like nvidia, intel and ati
[05:36] <brianski> so, a radeon x600 (latest series of ati cards) would work, yeah?
[05:36] <brianski> or is that dependent on the next ati driver?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i want to know how easy it will be to disable for my x200m laptop. :)
[05:37] <brianski> the current one doesn't support composite
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> brianski,  the next gen of drivers would be needed... I would bet
[05:37] <jim> what's the best way of going about it? I already have debootstrap installed from a previous run of building packages
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, LOL
[05:37] <jim> so would I get a config file for it?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> umm, if i knew... i would have done that
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> uncle google?
[05:38] <brianski> how does ubuntu detect if it should try compiz?
[05:38] <brianski> is it just a list of drivers, or does it check some X capability, or ?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> its a script file.. but i don't know where
[05:39] <jim> I have the wiki page in front of me... but since there are some dev types around (supposedly? :) I'm looking for opinions on some of the best ways of approaching together with why they feel it's a good way
[05:39] <brianski> hmm, looks like aiglx support is waiting on 8.42 which isn't due out till early october
[05:39] <brianski> so that's cutting it pretty close for gutsy
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> they are cutting lots close it sees
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> seems
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> kernel updates up to last miniute
[05:40] <Dr_willis> I agree there nomasteryoda
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> FatDave, look at mine
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/m71014f40
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> my xorg
[05:40] <Dr_willis> My sound died after the last update.. getting new ones now.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> nice
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, i had to reboot to make mine work
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> was toast this am
[05:41] <Dr_willis> nomasteryoda,  i just booted. :)  now getting updates.. will reboot soon.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> samba is still messed up for me also. :(
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> man, not good
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> i had to put my samba printer onto my Feisty music server
[05:41] <jim> I'm perfectly comfortable building my own kernels, using make-kpkg generally with --initrd (ok so I'm lazy :P )
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> working fine ... and accesisble as ipp now
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> so i love it
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> i just use the ones from ubuntu
[05:42] <jim> having said that, any recommendations for things that have to go into the kernel?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> trying to browse my windows network - it times out instantly. oddly
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> like we have now 2.6.22-12-generic
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> no clue
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, hang on ... do you have portmap installed?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> nomasteryoda,  hmm.. Not sure.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> !find portmap
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:43] <ubotu> Found: portmap
[05:43] <Dr_willis> portmap was NOT installed
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> that can be problem
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> from memory
[05:44] <Dr_willis> still getting a timeout.. but i just updated a lot of things. and the kernel.. needing to reboot.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> bb in a few.
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> me too...brb
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Bummer.. still no sound. or samba.
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis,  as for the samba, did you remove all the config files and try again?
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> i know sometimes that helps...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> start with a simple file
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> but alas, i have to sleep now..
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> ya'll be good!
[05:59] <Dr_willis> nomasteryoda,  yep. using the default ones. (clean isntall) removed them, purged them..
[05:59] <Dr_willis> its not the shares on this box. its accessing the rest of the lan thats the issue it seems
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> check firewall
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> gohd  sleep needed
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> nn
[06:59] <johnficca> so does anyone have ekiga working yet?
[06:59] <johnficca> mine just crashes 10 sec after starting
[06:59] <newcar> hi, i have ubuntu 7.04 and i just updated my kernel to 2.6.22-12 from (deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted), everything is ok. Now i need to edit a module source code and recompile it, anyone can help-me?
[07:00] <johnficca> I get ekiga: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol:_ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev
[07:04] <AmyRose> Why on Earth does Compiz's wrapper script artificially require 64 MB of video RAM?
[07:04] <AmyRose> I set the minimum to 0 and it's working fine with my 32 MB GeForce 4
[07:16] <DanaG> Odd, now the auto-dim-on-idle still happens, but does not show an OSD.
[07:16] <DanaG> oh, and emerald is used by default,
[07:16] <DanaG> so I had to chmod -x it.
[07:16] <DanaG> That's odd: I was changing tabs in Firefox, and yet the contents weren't changing.
[07:16] <DanaG> Odd, now the auto-dim-on-idle still happens, but does not show an OSD.
[07:17] <_dan_> is anyone using nvidia-glx-new driver atm?
[07:17] <level1> hi, I installed gutsy without reformatting home so .kde was preserved, and its a little off, can I safely delete .kde?
[07:18] <level1> it'll just restart from scratch, right?
[07:18] <_dan_> sure
[07:18] <level1> actually, can I rename /home/me to /home/me-backup or something?  will the screw anything up?
[07:18] <DanaG> Odd: g-p-m still auto-dims on idle (and blinks twice, quite annoyingly, while doing it), but it no longer shows the OSD.
[07:19] <Asad2005> I have an Opetron CPU and in synaptic it shows that installed kernel is i386 and generic, is it safe to remove i386 kernel from synaptic and leave only generic
[07:19] <level1> _dan_: for some reason kde started into a failsafe, but it seems to be running kde alright... not sure what the deal is
[07:19] <_dan_> yeah this failsafe is annoying me to
[07:20] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, update-manager killed NetworkManager but didn't restart it.
[07:20] <level1> _dan_: but I can rename /home and be okay?
[07:20] <DanaG> I typed out quite a few lines of conversation in Pidgin, then realized that I was disconnected.
[07:21] <_dan_> lemo u can just rename .kde to .kdebackup for example
[07:22] <DanaG> I rename .gnome2 to .gnomeTWO
[07:22] <DanaG> so I can laugh for a moment.
[07:24] <carl> gutsy can't setup my wireless :(
[07:25] <DanaG> What card?
[07:25] <newcar> howcame that my version of kernel is not on kernel.org?
[07:25] <newcar> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.22.12.tar.bz2
[07:25] <newcar> o.O
[07:25] <newcar> i just updated it from gusty, now i need the source
[07:26] <stdin> newcar: erm, because kernel.org don't host ubuntu kernels
[07:26] <DanaG> .12 is a custom version from Ubuntu devs.
[07:26] <carl> DanaG, broadcom BCM94311MCG
[07:26] <newcar> i see
[07:26] <DanaG> Odd, never seen that one.
[07:26] <stdin> newcar: "apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic" to get the Ubuntu kernel source
[07:26] <newcar> should i get it from here? deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gusty main restricted
[07:26] <DanaG> TIme for ndiswrapper?
[07:27] <DanaG> Or google it, at least.
[07:27] <carl> I did all the ndiswrapper dance
[07:27] <DanaG> Or is it just a 43xx?
[07:27] <newcar> stdin, thx, ill try
[07:27] <carl> it's detected, seem to work, but it won't find any access point
[07:30] <newcar> synaptic cant get the source from deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gusty main restricted
[07:30] <newcar> Could not download all repository indexes
[07:30] <newcar> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[07:30] <newcar> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gusty/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[07:30] <newcar> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gusty/restricted/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[07:30] <newcar> so what now?
[07:31] <stdin> newcar: it's gutsy, not gusty
[07:32] <newcar> huahuA
[07:32] <newcar> fucking shit!
[07:32] <newcar> thx man
[07:32] <newcar> i must be tired
[07:32] <newcar> get it and go to sleep, ahha
[07:34] <carl> looks like I'll be out of Linux for a while :( had to get new laptop (old one is broken) and the wireless is not working, fukitol!
[07:35] <openstandards> carl:  can't you change the pcmia
[07:35] <openstandards> sirry i mesan mini pci
[07:35] <openstandards> just woke up
[07:36] <openstandards> *sorry
[07:36] <DanaG> Looks like 94311 is just 4311.
[07:38] <carl> openstandards, ha, I really don't feal like buying more hardware, I had no money to buy this laptop to begin with
[07:38] <carl> and on top of that, Vista is damn slow
[07:39] <openstandards> vista is annoying on notebooks its too bloated with crap
[07:40] <jussi01> openstandards: !!
[07:40] <openstandards> hi jussi01
[07:40] <jussi01> openstandards: long time no speak
[07:41] <openstandards> yeah its been a while what are you doing up
[07:41] <jussi01> hehe... its 8.41 am here...'
[07:41] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[07:41] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: September 25 2007, 08:42:00 - Next meeting: Server Team meeting in 9 hours 17 minutes
[07:42] <openstandards> ahhh
[07:43] <jussi01> question is, what are you doing up? (and where is jose :P)
[07:44] <openstandards> jose is down the pub laughing at how much money he made at chelsea and i'm getting ready for work
[07:45] <jussi01> lol
[07:45] <openstandards> must be like 32 mil
[07:50] <level1> I'm getting weird hindi text all over the place
[07:50] <level1> for example:
[07:50] <level1> !aptfix
[07:50] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:51] <level1> I get indian before and after the command... also, in password dialogs, the hidden text (the password) appears as indian
[07:52] <level1> I must say gutsy is pretty nice, but I hope that the fix my little fglrx problem
[07:52] <DanaG> {Too bad,Good thing} it's not 'Gusty' -- imagine all the jokes.
[07:52] <stdin> !gusty
[07:52] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[07:52] <stdin> :)
[07:53] <level1> for some reason, my computer will not boot from the livecd with anything but fglrx... is there somewhere where I should report this problem?  debian could run vesa, but I don't think feisty could
[07:53] <level1> edgy could
[07:54] <stdin> !bugs
[07:54] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:55] <level1> when are they going to get around to fixing bug #1? its been a problem for a while, somebody needs to get on it
[07:55] <level1> :)
[07:56] <stdin> Marks working on that one
[07:56] <openstandards> can someone have a look at my xorg conf
[07:56] <openstandards> http://pastebin.com/d62836efc i'm suffering from no title bars when using compiz
[07:57] <openstandards> using the ati opensource driver
[07:57] <stdin> don't you need fglrx to use compiz?
[07:58] <openstandards> nah
[07:58] <openstandards> not if you use aiglx and have a card that supports it
[07:58] <openstandards> ie: r250 :)
[07:58] <brianski> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3 <- does this mean no xorg 7.3 in gutsy?
[07:58] <stdin> bah, my little intel chip gives me all I need :)
[07:59] <brianski> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy lists it as deferred
[08:00] <level1> are we ever going to have kpowersave by default? its a very nice program, I haven't had any trouble with it
[08:03] <brianski> level1: what does kubuntu use for power management by default?
[08:05] <level1_> my computer has been doing this psuedosuspend thing... it might be fglrx related, I thought a kernel update would fix it
[08:05] <level1_> basically, it turns off the laptop fans but not the cpu, so it overheats
[08:38] <DanaG> Wow, that's odd...
[08:38] <DanaG> "alt/win options"
[08:39] <DanaG> There's "Default", and then there's "Super is mapped to the Win keys (Default)".
[08:39] <DanaG> The former treats super as one key, so is not desirable; the latter makes Win be Mod4, and shortcuts with it don't work.
[08:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and how do I make usplash use the 1365x768 scaled?
[08:45] <DanaG> usplash.conf gives only x and y, not 'wide'.
[08:48] <DanaG> <crickets chirping>
[10:02] <Assid> heya
[10:02] <Assid> anyone around
[10:03] <Assid> i did a daily install of 20070921.1
[10:03] <Assid> and now my windows partition is messed up.. i cant boot into it
[10:03] <Assid> and gutsy isnt recognising my lan card
[10:03] <Assid> i dont think it did a proper install
[10:04] <jim> what is your lan card
[10:04] <Assid> altec l1 or something
[10:04] <Assid> am using my sisters lappy just to get online.. hold up
[10:05] <benh> hrm... daily alt ISO is oversized
[10:05] <benh> looks like I'll have to try the normal one and pray it works on this brand new T61
[10:05] <benh> feisty X doesn't even in "safe" mode
[10:05] <jim> we just looked at debian... they have damn near 20000 packages
[10:06] <RAOF> Probably more, actually.
[10:06] <jim> in etch, less. in sid, more.
[10:06] <Assid> its the asus p5kc mobo
[10:06] <Assid> the installation actually crashed in netcfg
[10:06] <jim> Assid: wired or wireless?
[10:06] <Assid> wored
[10:06] <Assid> wired even
[10:07] <jim> hmm, then it didn't install anything?
[10:07] <enyc> Debian and Ubuntu are both good in their own ways ;-)
[10:07] <jim> (does ubuntu use d-i?)
[10:07] <Assid> well i can boot into kubuntu.. 1/2 the stuff gives a python error
[10:07] <enyc> Assid: remember gutsy is a testing-near-beta ... so problems are likely
[10:08] <enyc> Assid: jim I think ubuntu has 2 installers
[10:08] <enyc> Assid: ubuntu "alternate" disk has blue textmode installer, probably what you are describing as "debian-installer"/"d-i"
[10:08] <enyc> Assid: ubuntu "desktop" (live) has a different installer
[10:09] <jim> they could still be based on d-i
[10:09] <jim> both of them that is
[10:09] <enyc> jim: could be , don't know, let me know what you find out ;-)
[10:09] <Assid> okay how do i get grub to boot into windows
[10:09] <jim> ok
[10:09] <Assid> it doesnt seem to want to do that
[10:09] <Assid> jim: yes i know.. im getting the latest alternate
[10:09] <jim> what partition is your winon
[10:09] <enyc> Assid: it should be setup todo that by default
[10:10] <Assid> maybe i should get the live instead
[10:10] <Assid> enyc it didnt
[10:10] <enyc> Assid: bug? ;-)
[10:10] <Assid> and now i have no windows.. no linux
[10:10] <Assid> screwed
[10:10] <enyc> Assid: remember this is a TESTING release
[10:10] <enyc> Assid: erm... you can use windows disk and go to "recovery console" and do a fixmbr  I think
[10:10] <Assid> lemme get the daily live instead
[10:10] <jim> what's your win on
[10:11] <Assid> same drive
[10:11] <jim> as? :)
[10:11] <enyc> Assid: to get that back...  you may be able to "sudo install-mbr /dev/sda" to restore mbr loader that boots windows active partition
[10:11] <enyc> Assid: you can learn about grub conf and fix it too...
[10:11] <jim> yeah you could do that
[10:11] <jim> that would lend you lots of ability to recover and boot into many strange things
[10:12] <Assid> nah i kinda screwed with grub
[10:12] <Assid> i cant boot into that either now
[10:12] <Assid> hehe
[10:12] <jim> screwed how?
[10:12] <enyc> Assid: I would do the install-mbr or "FIXMBR" and then install a working ubuntu install ;-)
[10:12] <Assid> im dling the d-l first i wanna see this go online with my lan card
[10:12] <jim> to install... the uninstallable install....
[10:13] <Assid> enyc so put the xp disc in and fixmbr?
[10:13] <enyc> Assid: i would get a Feisty7.04 live to test with... but there you go
[10:13] <jim> feisty is current stable?
[10:13] <enyc> Assid: are you booted into ubuntu NOW ?
[10:13] <enyc> jim: Feisty7.04 is current stable
[10:13] <Assid> yes
[10:13] <enyc> Assid: then install the "mbr" package
[10:13] <Assid> booting up x now
[10:14] <enyc> Assid: then you can "sudo install-mbr /dev/sda" to remove grub,  if you want
[10:14] <jim> yue jomp gun :)
[10:14] <Assid> err.. found one more issue
[10:15] <Assid> it doesnt mount the disc when its in the drive.. for apt-get
[10:15] <enyc> Assid: boot a live disk instead imho
[10:15] <enyc> Assid: I would get Feisty7.04 live (stable) and see how that compares   ...
[10:16] <Assid> yeah i wanna get my windows thing back first
[10:16] <Assid> i mean theres nothing in it.. but.. i just want it back
[10:16] <Assid> okay i think its back
[10:17] <Assid> :P
[10:17] <benh> ah why here...
[10:17] <Assid> thanks
[10:17] <benh> can any of the installers (gfx or text) resize NTFS partitions ?
[10:17] <benh> on let's say... gutsy
[10:17] <benh> tho if I can't get gutsy daily to boot gfx mode on that machine, I'l probably start with feisty alt and then update
[10:18] <Assid> okay lemme tell you the ethernet device
[10:18] <Assid> Atheros L1 gigabit ethernet
[10:18] <IntuitiveNipple> What's the fallback xorg driver for generic situations, "vesa" ?
[10:19] <Assid> also i think theres another issue
[10:20] <Assid> the cache it shows in procinfo seems wrong
[10:20] <Assid> the Q6600 has a 8mb cache .. not 4mb
[10:23] <jim> wow... I can't find my lan card (on the new amd64x2 box) in lspci
[10:24] <enyc> jim: and its definitely pci not usb?
[10:24] <enyc> jim: sometimes laptops have internal usb devices, confusingly
[10:24] <jim> very definitely
[10:24] <enyc> jim: try different pci slots?
[10:24] <Assid> mine has issues with the atheros L1 gigabit
[10:24] <jim> this is an amd64x2 desktop
[10:25] <Assid> asus p5kc mobo
[10:25] <jim> using an asus m2n??-vm
[10:25] <jim> it's a gigabit device that has a cable testing feature in the bios
[10:27] <Assid> hrmm feisty live has alot of squashfs errors
[10:33] <Assid> okay this is weird
[10:34] <Assid> feisty live manages to worth with the atheros l1 gigabit ethernet
[10:34] <Assid> gutsty doesnt
[10:40] <bdgraue> strigidaemon uses my cpu all time, why this?
[10:40] <bdgraue> my cpu is every time on 100%
[10:46] <elias> I am having a problem with LVM. /dev/mapper/VOLUME-NAME is a symlink to itself!
[10:46] <elias> This bug was just introduced yesterday.
[10:47] <IntuitiveNipple> ouch! file a bug-report :)
[10:47] <elias> I did
[10:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Can someone remind me how to get xorg server to reconfigure itself?
[10:48] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: Ah, seems like dmraid was deinstalled.
[10:48] <elias> Another problem I am having with evolution
[10:49] <IntuitiveNipple> eeek! Is it managing FastTrak or similar then?
[10:49] <elias> I used gutsy evolution with my feisy home-dir. now I can't start evolution in feisty anymore.
[10:49] <IntuitiveNipple> don't get me started on Evolution! every time I do anything whilst it is processing new mail, it cancels all filter processing and I have to select all and do a Ctrl+Y !
[10:50] <IntuitiveNipple> elias: eeek! I have to admit although I dual-boot the two I've not been in Feisty for a while to notice that
[10:50] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: If there were more import filters for thunderbird, I'd migrate my mail.
[10:50] <IntuitiveNipple> It wouldn't surprise me if the config files have changed format. I can't imagine they'd change the data-structure though
[10:51] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: But now I am kind of screwed.
[10:51] <elias> I filed a bug for this. Did not get an answer yet.
[10:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you grab a build of Evolution of the same version as is in Gutsy, for Feisty?
[10:52] <IntuitiveNipple> that would ensure it could speak the same config and format, if that is the reason
[10:52] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: Thought about that.
[10:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I know, it's a big deal if you've got to build it yourself
[10:53] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: But I'd prefer, if I could just find out, which gconf key to delete to make it work again.
[10:53] <elias> It segfaults because of a config issue, can you believe that?
[10:54] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm, in which case I'd just rename the ~/.evolution directory so evo thinks it is starting afresh
[10:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I have too many accounts and such to recreate all mine, but that would be how i'd test the issue to narrow down the cause
[10:56] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: I already did. Evolution works for other users.
[10:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't think there's a tool to monitor gconf accesses like there is Registry Monitor for windows... thats what you need
[10:57] <elias> IntuitiveNipple: The next best thing about evolution is, that you have to logout and relogin to apply gconf settings. this makes testing, which config to kill really great fun!
[10:57] <IntuitiveNipple> lol yeah
[10:57] <IntuitiveNipple> There is a command to get it to reload you know... I saw it in passing, mentioned the other day
[10:58] <elias> Hope the Mozilla guys make Thunderbird the defacto standard sooon. And hope kde4 turns out well!
[10:59] <IntuitiveNipple> elias: This may help you http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/
[11:00] <IntuitiveNipple> elias: Check out the bit from where it mentions GCONF_DEBUG_TRACE_CLIENT
[11:01] <elias> found some other hint. gconfd log messages. maybe I can trace back the changes
[11:01] <elias> see you later, have to relogin
[11:01] <IntuitiveNipple> ok
[11:33] <wabid> is there any way to have a passwordless account for a underprivileged account
[11:34] <macro182> hello! I've upgraded from feisty to gutsy. After some daily updates I've received this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428/ Any idea? ;)
[11:46] <DamienCassou> hi
[11:47] <DamienCassou> when trying to install gutsy from mini image, just after xresprobe, the display began really weird
[11:47] <DamienCassou> is somebody interested?
[11:47] <DamienCassou> it is still weird but I think gutsy continue its installation
[11:52] <DamienCassou> nobody interested?
[12:04] <darkchr0n0s> hey
[12:05] <darkchr0n0s> anyone tried using the "set display brightness" in gutsy ?
[12:05] <newdude> yo sup everyone, i just upgraded to the gutsy kernel, but i cant play media files anymore :S
[12:05] <newdude> .swf files in particular
[12:05] <newdude> i can in firefox, but not totem
[12:05] <darkchr0n0s> nothing like that for me
[12:05] <darkchr0n0s> use mplayer
[12:05] <darkchr0n0s> always
[12:05] <newdude> kk
[12:05] <newdude> wait
[12:05] <newdude> is it gnome?
[12:06] <newdude> i hate the kde -.-
[12:06] <darkchr0n0s> i dunno what it is.. it takes the gnome theme and decorations perfectly
[12:07] <darkchr0n0s> even the compiz-fusion themes apply to it's window
[12:07] <newdude> man i wish i could run compiz-fusion -.-
[12:08] <darkchr0n0s> it's a pain to install
[12:08] <newdude> i know ;(
[12:08] <darkchr0n0s> took me one whole day.. and i have ATi :(
[12:08] <newdude> same i have a X800 XT ATi
[12:08] <newdude> apg
[12:08] <newdude> *agp
[12:09] <newdude> i mean i can get it loaded etc, but no effects what so ever, then after i do a fglrxinfo in terminal, it says im using the mesa driver ;(
[12:09] <newdude> then i have to go beat my wife up ;(
[12:09] <darkchr0n0s> you use ati proprietery driver ?
[12:09] <darkchr0n0s> lol
[12:09] <newdude> lol
[12:09] <newdude> yup i use the fglrx one
[12:10] <darkchr0n0s> somehow working for mw :)
[12:10] <darkchr0n0s> me*
[12:10] <newdude> what "how to" guide did you use?
[12:10] <darkchr0n0s> wait.. lemme find the links
[12:11] <newdude> kk ty
[12:11] <ArmedKing> Did ubuntu make a change about duo core cpu's Because My Core 2 Quad runns way better now.
[12:13] <newdude> bugger i think my synaptic is playing up too :S
[12:13] <newdude> it says "fail" when i try to reload in synaptic lol
[12:13] <newdude> "fail" lol
[12:18] <newdude> sudo apt-get moo
[12:19] <darkchr0n0s> newdude, i got compiz 0.5.2 installed from source
[12:20] <newdude> cool cool, is that in repo's?(soz im noob lol)
[12:20] <newdude> bugger :S
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> You do know Gutsy has 0.5.2 by default, don't you?
[12:21] <newdude> i just upgraded my kernel, does that mean ive got all the addons as well?
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> 1:0.5.2+git20070918-0ubuntu5
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy has compiz installed and enabled by default
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Preferences > Appearance >Desktop Effects
[12:22] <Assid> hey
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> and System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[12:22] <Assid> there seems to be a problem
[12:23] <newdude> i dont have a 'appearance' menu under my preferences menus
[12:23] <Assid> Library files for "libpython2.5.so" not found in paths
[12:23] <newdude> i have fiesty, i just upgraded my kernel to the gutsy one
[12:23] <Assid> fresh gutsy install from daily live
[12:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Assid: which daily?
[12:23] <Assid> 24
[12:24] <assid_> bah
[12:24] <kingrayray> can i ask a kubuntu gutsy question in here?
[12:24] <IntuitiveNipple> does it show up in System > Preferences > Main Menu under System -> Preferences
[12:24] <Assid> hello?
[12:24] <Assid> IntuitiveNipple: any thing under the system settings
[12:25] <Assid> like i tried to go to monitor and display. and it barfs that error
[12:25] <Balaams_Miracle> This new Visual Effects tab in the appearance settings manager is great, but now i wanted to translate it, but i can't figure out what package it is in. Does anybody know? I've tried finding 'gnome-appearance-properties' in rosetta, but it isn't there.
[12:25] <Assid> i cant open restricted manager
[12:26] <Assid> okay for the 8600GTS card.. i need the nvidia-glx-new right ?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Assid: yes should be right
[12:27] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/wtf.png <- fresh install..
[12:28] <kingrayray> is there an easy way to fix those menu entries or do i seriously have to go through and do each one manually? lol
[12:30] <Assid> IntuitiveNipple: you around?
[12:33] <Assid> hrmm can someone check that
[12:43] <Xero> lol wtf world taekwondo federation http://www.wtf.org
[12:43] <Xero> im not a bot dont ban. just thought id throw that out there.
[12:47] <ziroday> hmm since granparadismo beta is already in the repo's when the final comes out will it be as a standalone browser whilst the old firefox would still be havily intergrated into gnome?
[12:47] <Xero> Seriously? Firefox 3 is available?
[12:47] <ziroday> yeah in the repos
[12:47] <ziroday> look for granparadismo
[12:48] <ziroday> or firefox
[12:48] <ziroday> on add/remove
[12:48] <Xero> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[12:48] <Xero>   firefox-granparadiso firefox-granparadiso-dev firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support
[12:48] <Xero> :)
[12:49] <ziroday> lol check it out but i dont find that brilliantly different yet. They usually do UI changes later
[12:49] <ziroday> currently its still rendering speeds and memory footprint etc
[12:50] <Balaams_Miracle> This new Visual Effects tab in the appearance settings manager is great, but now i wanted to translate it, but i can't figure out what package it is in. Does anybody know? I've tried finding 'gnome-appearance-properties' in rosetta, but it isn't there.
[12:58] <DamienCassou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/144726
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144726 in xresprobe "weird display during gutsy installation just after xresprobe" [Undecided,New] 
[12:58] <DamienCassou> 2 screenshots attached
[01:01] <ziroday> DamienCassou: i have found i have that with quite a few of the laptops i have installed on, usually the alternate runs okay
[01:02] <ziroday> DamienCassou: i also have this issue with debian
[01:02] <DamienCassou> ziroday: strange
[01:02] <DamienCassou> ziroday: can you write something on the bug report please? So that I'm not alone :-)
[01:02] <ziroday> DamienCassou: sure
[01:03] <DamienCassou> ziroday: thanks
[01:03] <Xero> It does start faster, ziroday
[01:03] <ziroday> Xero: yeah they fixed a whole bunch of memory leaks with it. espicially after ff2 had so many and they released the memory leak detector addon'
[01:06] <ziroday> DamienCassou: is it a ati gfx card?
[01:07] <DamienCassou> ziroday: I think it's an Intel card but I'm not sure
[01:07] <ziroday> DamienCassou: okay
[01:15] <DamienCassou> ziroday, did you put a comment on the bug report?
[01:15] <ziroday> DamienCassou: yeah and you use a ati mobility card
[01:15] <ziroday> DamienCassou: which is what i have found also has graphics issues
[01:16] <DamienCassou> ziroday, how do you know I have an ATI?
[01:17] <ziroday> DamienCassou: checked your laptop out at sellers
[01:17] <ziroday> looked at specs and you have ati
[01:18] <DamienCassou> ziroday, ok
[01:21] <unggnu> somebody here with intel graphic and working suspend?
[01:30] <amaia> hi, what up with the nvidia driver and the last kernel upgrade?
[01:34] <kbrooks> what featurees doe3s gutsy have
[01:37] <avatar_> kbrooks: 42
[01:37] <ziroday> kbrooks: alot specifically in which areas?
[01:37] <ziroday> avatar_: lol
[01:38] <kbrooks> ziroday, all of them
[01:38] <ziroday> kbrooks: as avatar said 42 or how long is a piece of string
[01:38] <kbrooks> ziroday, hello? that is an unusuable answer.
[01:39] <ziroday> kbrooks: listing every single upgrade of gutsy is pointless and stupid
[01:39] <ziroday> kbrooks: usable?
[01:40] <avatar_> kbrooks: you've read the hitch hikers guide? Then you'll know why 42 is the answer :)
[01:40] <ziroday> @42
[01:41] <kbrooks> ziroday, thx for the correction.
[01:41] <kbrooks> ziroday, oh, alright, does gutsy include advancements in powersaving?
[01:42] <ziroday> kbrooks: yes, on certain pieces of hardware
[01:42] <ziroday> kbrooks: it also has new gnome new kde new kernel default compiz fusion, beta preview of new firefox
[01:42] <ziroday> kbrooks: and more stuff added to the repos and new artwork
[01:44] <scizzo-> kbrooks: you can find many of the changes on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[01:44] <scizzo-> kbrooks: however not all of it is there
[01:44] <kbrooks> ziroday, aight
[01:44] <scizzo-> kbrooks: just the basic stuff
[01:45] <Assid> hey
[01:45] <Assid> i cant get compiz working
[01:45] <kbrooks> "New Printing System"
[01:45] <Assid> everytime  i run compiz --replace .. i lose my borders
[01:45] <ziroday> Assid: okay what gfx card?
[01:46] <Assid> 8600GTS - nvidia
[01:46] <ziroday> Assid: okay you have the nvdeco bug
[01:46] <ziroday> Assid: one min
[01:46] <scizzo-> Assid: I can't get it working on 8800GTS either
[01:47] <Vissud> 3
[01:47] <ziroday> Assid: try this sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 , then restart !X.
[01:47] <scizzo-> Assid: I think I get the error about gtk-window-decorator not working as intended
[01:47] <ziroday> with out the >>
[01:48] <Assid> brb
[01:48] <ziroday> scizzo-: have you tried what i have just pasted?
[01:49] <wehttamb> how do upgrade from 7.04 to the development release of 7.10
[01:50] <scizzo-> ziroday: I already have that in my config
[01:50] <ziroday> scizzo-: hm then you might want to try using the emerald decoration manager
[01:51] <scizzo-> ziroday: well compiz falls back to metacity once it can't start it
[01:51] <Assid> nope
[01:51] <Assid> didnt work
[01:51] <jmg> hi all
[01:51] <scizzo-> The program 'gtk-window-decorator' received an X Window System error.
[01:51] <scizzo-> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[01:51] <scizzo-> The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'.
[01:51] <ziroday> scizzo-: wait so does compiz actually start? or does it start with no window borders?
[01:52] <jmg> cant get compiz working on my i915
[01:52] <jmg> gtk-window-decorator is horked
[01:52] <Assid> says cant find XGL
[01:52] <jmg> ziroday: yes
[01:52] <Assid> or something
[01:52] <ziroday> jmg: join the party
[01:52] <jmg> ziroday: starts, xgl is running, but decorator hangs
[01:52] <scizzo-> ziroday: that is the error it gets and then just does a segmentation fault and cores
[01:53] <ziroday> scizzo-: ahh the good ol segfault, i would report a bug
[01:53] <ziroday> jmg: tried with emerald?
[01:53] <jmg> ziroday: hangs as well
[01:53] <scizzo-> http://www.pastebin.org/3285
[01:53] <jmg> i'm on aiglx
[01:53] <Assid> i cant get this working man
[01:53] <ziroday> jmg, scizzo-, Assid: you should all file bug reports.
[01:54] <scizzo-> ziroday: sir yes sur
[01:54] <scizzo-> sir even. :P
[01:54] <ziroday> this looks like all of you have the same/similar issues
[01:54] <ziroday> you could also check with #opencompositing
[01:54] <jmg> Checking for Xgl: present. \nChecking for nVidia: not present. \nChecking for Xgl: present. \nStarting gtk-window-decorator\n
[01:54] <jmg> hangs at that point
[01:55] <ziroday> jmg: youre using intel i915 right
[01:56] <jmg> ziroday: yea
[01:56] <scizzo-> ziroday: hmmmm might have found something
[01:57] <Assid> jmg: mine fails for checking for Xgl
[01:57] <scizzo-> ziroday: well might have to do with dualscreen
[01:57] <ziroday> jmg: than why do you have xgl? xgl is a hack only meant for ati cards with the fglrx driver
[01:57] <jmg> it is?
[01:57] <jmg> oh
[01:57] <ziroday> Assid: if you have a nvidia card that is normal as it uses AIGLX
[01:58] <ziroday> jmg: AFAIK
[01:58] <Assid> k.. well.. it just crashes there
[01:58] <scizzo-> !bug 140819
[01:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140819 in displayconfig-gtk "segmentation fault when running compiz fusion with dual monitors" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140819
[01:58] <Assid> it says starting kde-window-decoration
[01:59] <ziroday> scizzo-: well there you are :), you can add a comment to that bug saying that you have the same issue. also try with only single not dual screen
[01:59] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d732fb715
[02:00] <scizzo-> ziroday: actually way ahead of you.....I am going to test the xinerama stuff
[02:00] <ziroday> scizzo-: lol
[02:01] <Assid> ziroday: any clue on that ?
[02:01] <Assid> also i think the font needs some work.. it looks kida bad
[02:01] <jmg> ziroday: i used gdmconfig to set X to launch /usr/bin/X but it launches Xgl instead
[02:01] <ziroday> Assid: just opened it
[02:01] <ziroday> jmg: not sure sorry, you can try in #opencompositing
[02:02] <ziroday> Assid: what card again?
[02:02] <Assid> 8600GTS
[02:02] <Assid> how do i get the default window decoration again ?
[02:02] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, strigidaemon keeps maxing out the CPU until I kill it. Is this a known bug?
[02:02] <ziroday> and it hangs on kde-window-decorator?
[02:03] <Assid> thats the last line.. and no more borders
[02:04] <ziroday> Assid: has compiz actually started?, like are the menus semi transparent?
[02:04] <Harrowed> Lunar_Lamp: Try kill -HUP PID - see if it still does so after restarting it
[02:04] <Assid> well i see the effects here and there
[02:04] <Assid> semi transparent no
[02:04] <Assid> but yes compiz has started .
[02:04] <ziroday> Assid: okay try using emerald
[02:05] <Assid> emerald doesnt run.. i cant install emerald-themes
[02:05] <ziroday> Assid: install emerald, start compiz and than start emerald with emerald --replace
[02:05] <Assid> ziroday: it doesnt do anything.. it doesnt replace the theme
[02:05] <Assid> just hangs there
[02:05] <ziroday> Assid: hmm, not sure than sorry. But its 11pm over here and i gotta go to bed
[02:06] <ziroday> sorry i couldnt help you
[02:06] <scizzo-> well I can confirm the xinerama problem
[02:06] <Assid> hrmm
[02:06] <Assid> this just doesnt make sense
[02:06] <Assid> and my font sucks
[02:08] <shirish> Hi all, can anybody help me how I can cat the output the contents the listing of a directory which is packed as an .iso (say the gutsy alternate .iso) so it gives me the breakup as to how much space was consumed where
[02:09] <shirish> let's say I wanted to write the contents recursively of every file under the /pool directory in the .iso archive.
[02:12] <mojo> hello there
[02:12] <mojo> is there any reasons casper doesn't work on gutsy?
[02:12] <mojo> I want to know so I can do further test
[02:16] <jmg> hi all
[02:16] <jmg> i reverted to X from Xgl
[02:16] <jmg> but compiz still fails
[02:16] <scizzo-> maybe the intel card is in blacklist?
[02:40] <AmyRose> Any reason why Gutsy's compiz wrapper script is artificially requiring 64 MB of VRAM on Nvidia?
[02:41] <DamienCassou> hi
[02:41] <AmyRose> I have 32 MB of VRAM and have no trouble whatsoever with it once I disable that phony requirement
[02:41] <DamienCassou> is it normal that the font on firefox is ugly?
[02:41] <scizzo-> anyone using xinerama and xserver-xgl?
[02:41] <DamienCassou> is it a known problem?
[02:41] <scizzo-> DamienCassou: ugly how?
[02:41] <AmyRose> DamienCassou: I have no idea since I hate Firefox and Ubuntu's default font...
[02:42] <DamienCassou> some letters are on top of each others
[02:42] <afonic> DamienCassou : go in the Appearance tab, Fonts, Details and make sure the dpi is 96
[02:42] <afonic> DamienCassou : *go in the Appearance cp, Fonts tab, Details and make sure the dpi is 96
[02:43] <scizzo-> anyone can confirm a bug for me?
[02:43] <DamienCassou> afonic, yes, it's 96
[02:43] <scizzo-> !bug 144758
[02:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144758 in ubuntu "xserver-xgl makes gnome-panels stretch on dual monitors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144758
[02:44] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, when trying to enable proprietry drivers for an nvidia card, how do I know if the card comes under the "Latest" category or not?
[02:44] <afonic> DamienCassou : don't know what it is then, I fixed Firefox's fonts uglyness from there since from Feisty -> Gutsy it changed my setting to 81 :S
[02:44] <afonic> check in Firefox's settings
[02:45] <DamienCassou> afonic, I can't find any font related setting in firefox
[02:45] <afonic> Edit > Preferences > Content
[02:46] <DamienCassou> afonic, which font can I try?
[02:54] <AmyRose> Hi Hobbsee
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hi AmyRose
[02:57] <afonic> DamienCassou : I use Sans
[02:58] <AmyRose> Isn't Sans just an alias for DejaVu Sans?
[02:58] <AmyRose> (I swear by Luxi Sans :D )
[02:58] <stefg> i need to set up a new system .... is it time for gutsy yet? Or install Feisty and have it broken by the upgrade in 4 weeks (I never use  *buntu-metapackages)?  opinions?
[02:59] <AmyRose> stefg: If you want to test, go ahead, but it's not final yet
[02:59] <scizzo-> stefg: *topic*
[02:59] <AmyRose> stefg: I've been using Gutsy with no major problems for a few days now, but YMMV, as always
[03:01] <stefg> i'm an experinced user, so i know what i'm taking basically. i observed the repos were a big building site the last week (guess preparation of beta), and just need an opinion from the regulars if it's still ready enough to have a server install + fluxbox
[03:01] <AmyRose> stefg: If you're as advanced as you say you are, I don't think you'll have any major problems :)
[03:02] <AmyRose> That said, I'm just quoting my personal experience
[03:03] <stefg> Ok, so i take that nothing major is broken ATM... glibc has stabilzed, new kernel arrived.... yeah, rather break the box now than in 4 weeks durin upgrade, i think :-)
[03:04] <AmyRose> stefg: Yeah, I'm actually with you on this, since I've been using Linux for 3 years now... ^.^
[03:04] <AmyRose> Plus you get to beat the upgrade rush
[03:04] <Hobbsee> stefg: how about you test out some of the cds?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> see #ubuntu-iso for details
[03:05] <stefg> Hobbsee: beta build-test? I did my share of bugreports on tribe 5.
[03:05] <ReL1K> anyone got dual monitors working for t61?
[03:05] <ReL1K> intel drivers?
[03:05] <AmyRose> stefg: I think she means you can download a daily CD
[03:06] <stefg> Oh yeah... that's waht i would have done anyway
[03:06] <AmyRose> Yeah, I did that before I upgraded to Gutsy myself
[03:07] <AmyRose> just to make sure things would work on my laptop
[03:07] <Hobbsee> stefg: so then you know how it works.  those cds need testing.  get to it.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:08] <AmyRose> stefg: Yay!
[03:10] <AmyRose> My favorite thing about Gutsy is the increased attention to KDE
[03:11] <AmyRose> And I have to admit to liking Dolphin as the default fm--makes it easier to use Konqueror as a web browser
[03:13] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: yeah, more volunteers helps
[03:14] <AmyRose> I'm sorry I suck at programming :(
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !contribute
[03:14] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[03:14] <AmyRose> But I do try to help as much as I can with bug reporting
[03:14] <Hobbsee> you dont need to be able to program and such
[03:14] <AmyRose> I know... I already helped one fix get into Gutsy
[03:14] <AmyRose> :)
[03:15] <AmyRose> I just wish I was better at programming
[03:15] <Hobbsee> you could triage the bugs and such, too.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> leanr it, then.
[03:15] <AmyRose> I have successfully converted 3 non-geeks to Kubuntu though and they all are never going back to Windows :D
[03:16] <AmyRose> I hope that helps!
[03:18] <stefg> but crosscompiling is an art i have to learn yet
[03:19] <stefg> The point is that even in #ubuntu people are pointed to that rescue CD for their fixing needs. Ubuntu can do better, and i have already outlined for myself how that rescue system should look.... just need to get it done :-)
[03:19] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Is converting non-geeks, helping out with people who run into problems, and bug reporting helpful?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: yes
[03:20] <AmyRose> :D
[03:20] <Hobbsee> stefg: why do you need to crosscompile?
[03:20] <AmyRose> That's mainly what I've been doing
[03:20] <Hobbsee> stefg: i'd like to see it being done - the rescue system.
[03:20] <AmyRose> Actually, I won't go without the -dbg packages anymore :)
[03:21] <stefg> Hobbsee: uclibc, busybox and xvesa .... quite different. My idea is to have a second initrd which completly lives in RAM and allows to fsck and repartition the drive, because there's no / mountd on the hd
[03:22] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: you shouldnt need them, if you're filing with apport?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> stefg: right.
[03:22] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: It helps the KDE team.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: ah yes, they dont seem to work well - the kcrash handler gets claled, not apport.
[03:23] <AmyRose> Yeah, when I use KDE's bugzilla to report crashes, I need to have those installed
[03:28] <cypherdelic> What happens? Why isnt any beta released?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: images are ready for testing, iirc.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: adn it's this week - not necessarily today.
[03:30] <cypherdelic> Hobbsee: Oh ok then i interpreted the release scheduler wrong.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> cypherdelic: it's only a guide, and they found some beta-blocker bugs, which they're fixing.
[03:30] <cypherdelic> BTW: Im with current packages and compiz fusion 0.6. RTH!!
[03:31] <AmyRose> cypherdelic: Yeah, Compiz Fusion is cool... well, I had to disable the 64 MB artificial requirement to get it working on my laptop...
[03:32] <AmyRose> For once I can actually say it's stable enough for me to use it full-time
[03:32] <cypherdelic> AmyRose: Im glad to have at least a 7600go with 128mb, but it wasnt easy, i need to add many things to xorg.conf
[03:33] <cypherdelic> AmyRose: to get in working really really nice, wanna see?
[03:34] <AmyRose> cypherdelic: Yeah, I did too... But my main beef was the artificial 64 MB VRAM requirement in the wrapper script
[03:34] <AmyRose> I have only 32 MB and it's working fine now that I edited the script so it thinks the minimum is 0
[03:34] <AmyRose> I'm just glad the black window bug appears to be gone :)
[03:35] <stefg> Uhoh... daily build of gutsy-server-i386 corrupt... let's try a fresh download
[03:36] <Hobbsee> stefg: ask if it's supposed to work in #ubuntu-testing
[03:37] <AmyRose> Well, I gotta go for the day :\
[03:37] <AmyRose> see you all later
[03:37] <ikonia> stefg: its been borked for a few days
[03:38] <ikonia> but I've got a working image from about 4 days ago
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it's being fixed, though
[03:38] <ikonia> ahh when ?
[03:38] <ikonia> didn't work last night
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ikonia: "when it's fixed".
[03:38] <ikonia> I may have missed the train on that
[03:38] <ikonia> its "being fixed"
[03:38] <ikonia> sorry I read "been" fixed
[03:38] <Hobbsee> yes.  present tense.
[03:38] <ikonia> hence why I thought I'd missed it
[03:38] <ikonia> sorry
[03:38] <stefg> ikonia: ok, thanks for the info
[03:39] <cypherdelic> AmyRose: I didnt know about that. You see: No Problem, no issue. But for optimizing Compiz (i.e no more black gl-applications or 100% smooth with 4xBAA and water effect, all best setting, transparent cube, highdef 4096x2048 skydome e.t.c.) i assume enabling losse binding, indirect rendering and certain tweaks in DeviceSection of xorg.conf
[03:40] <cypherdelic> Here: http://pastebin.com/m72406044
[03:44] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[03:46] <ikonia> JohnFlux: how did you get the 2.6.15 kernel on your gusty box ?
[03:46] <JohnFlux> ikonia: 2.6.20-15
[03:47] <JohnFlux> ikonia: I had to recompile the feisty version
[03:47] <ikonia> ??
[03:47] <JohnFlux> ikonia: the hard drive drivers swithed around this version
[03:47] <JohnFlux> to a new driver model
[03:47] <ikonia> sorry, I don't follow
[03:48] <JohnFlux> somewhere around 2.6.19 or something they added a new hard drive driver model
[03:48] <ikonia> you've used a 2.6.20-15 kernel and you'r wondering why the nvidia package for 2.6.22 is complaining of a version miss match
[03:48] <JohnFlux> in the linux kernel
[03:48] <JohnFlux> well
[03:48] <JohnFlux> ikonia: before, the old 2.6.20 nvidia package worked
[03:49] <ikonia> because its still 2.6.20
[03:49] <ikonia> not 2.6.22
[03:49] <ikonia> see the difference
[03:49] <ikonia> 2.6.20-$X
[03:49] <JohnFlux> right - but shouldn't modules go in their own directories
[03:49] <ikonia> 2.6.22
[03:49] <JohnFlux> if I install 2.6.22 modules, they shouldn't be picked up
[03:49] <ikonia> yes totally
[03:49] <ikonia> but your calling a version which will be probed and found as there is no matching version
[03:50] <JohnFlux> is this true:
[03:50] <ikonia> JohnFlux: I don't see how the 2.6.20 kernel is seeing hte module for 2.6.22
[03:50] <ikonia> ahhhh wait
[03:50] <ikonia> I wonder if its your modules.conf forcing the load of it
[03:50] <JohnFlux> For _anybody_ upgrading to gutsy, if on the grub menu they chose an older kernel, then X will no longer work?
[03:50] <ikonia> something along those lines
[03:51] <ikonia> JohnFlux: no, you've done something different
[03:51] <mc44> if you choose a feisty kernel, then your gutsy x drivers are not likely to work ;)
[03:51] <ikonia> JohnFlux: your running gusty with a recompiled fesity kernel
[03:51] <JohnFlux> right
[03:51] <ikonia> thats different than an upgrade
[03:51] <JohnFlux> well imagine if it wasn't recompiled
[03:51] <JohnFlux> would that make a difference?
[03:51] <ikonia> then it would be upgraded
[03:51] <ikonia> and would work
[03:51] <JohnFlux> no
[03:51] <ikonia> you've built conflicting
[03:52] <JohnFlux> if I understand correctly, when upgrading, the new kernel is installed as well
[03:52] <JohnFlux> rather than replaced
[03:52] <mc44> JohnFlux: the .22 kernel did not boot for you?
[03:52] <ikonia> yes, thats right along with the nvidia-glx package for the correct kernel
[03:52] <JohnFlux> a user is still given the option to  run the old version
[03:52] <JohnFlux> mc44: right
[03:53] <JohnFlux> mc44: the new kernels don't include the old hard drive drivers
[03:53] <mc44> really? sounds like a bug
[03:53] <ikonia> JohnFlux: thats right, then the old kernel would be the old nvidia-glx kernel and would work
[03:53] <JohnFlux> mc44: last year the kernel team switched over to a new way of doing it, and since then my hard disk doesn't work :)
[03:53] <ikonia> JohnFlux: what is the problem with the drivers exactly
[03:53] <JohnFlux> ikonia: right, that should be the way it works.  but it seems that nvidia-glx  replaces the old version
[03:54] <JohnFlux> ikonia: hard drive?
[03:54] <ikonia> JohnFlux: yes thats right
[03:54] <ikonia> JohnFlux: yes, your hard disk issues
[03:54] <JohnFlux> ikonia: I'm not sure.  I think basically my motherboard is slightly broken
[03:54] <ikonia> JohnFlux: nvidia-glx will be updated to match the current kernel, thinking about it
[03:54] <ikonia> JohnFlux thats not really a detailed explination
[03:55] <ikonia> JohnFlux: what are the symptoms
[03:55] <JohnFlux> ikonia: the old hard disk drivers were tollerant to it, and the new ones aren't :)
[03:55] <JohnFlux> ikonia: the sympton is that when I try to boot with a new kernel, it gives an error about unable to find the hard disk
[03:55] <JohnFlux> in fiesty it said could not mount root partition
[03:55] <ikonia> JohnFlux: ok, so your chipset drivers are not "visable"
[03:55] <JohnFlux> in gutsy it infinitely gives a new error - i can't remember what it is
[03:55] <ikonia> JohnFlux: ahhh thats different, could it not see the disk or not mount/find the correct partition
[03:56] <JohnFlux> ikonia: it could boot the initrd, but that could not then see the hard disk
[03:57] <JohnFlux> ikonia: if that makes sense :)
[03:57] <ikonia> yes, that makes sense which makes me think its not a driver issue as the initrd contains the same driver
[03:57] <ikonia> more likley a config issue
[03:57] <JohnFlux> ikonia: I could investigate again
[03:57] <JohnFlux> I could write down the exact error i get with the new kernel
[03:57] <JohnFlux> if that might help
[03:58] <ikonia> yeah why not if you want to progress it
[03:59] <JohnFlux> okay then brb :)
[04:12] <shirish> Hi all, I'm getting an XKB error configuration, can somebody tell under which package should I file the bug under?
[04:13] <shirish> scratch that, found it :)
[04:13] <Tomcat_> shirish: ...
[04:13] <Tomcat_> Heh, just wanted to help. ;)
[04:14] <Tomcat_> dpkg -S `locate <command>` sometimes yields results.
[04:14] <shirish> xkeyboard-config I guess is the right place to file it under
[04:14] <tich> i just installed the proprietary nvidia drivers using the restricted driver manager but it didn't (seem to) install the nvidia x server settings.  is it supposed to be installed with the drivers?  i want to set up multiple monitors, how should i get it?
[04:14] <Tomcat_> Sounds good.
[04:16] <ReL1K> I got a docking station for my t61 with intel video drivers, one monitor is hooked up via dvi, other via vga, anyone got any idea how to get both monitors working at the same time?
[04:16] <ReL1K> when i boot my machine up, the ubuntu logo starts on the right screen, then moves to the left
[04:17] <`Matir> I don't know if this is gutsy-specific, but when my computer is starting, the splash shows for a few seconds as the progress bar goes across, then it switches off and displays standard text-mode init messages... any idea how i can keep the splash up?
[04:17] <tich> ReL1K, i am using a t61 too!  are you using the proprietary or 'nv' drivers?
[04:18] <shirish> Tomcat_: it seems xkeyboard-config is a transitional package for xkb-data
[04:19] <tich> i don't have (nor have i even seen) a docking station, so their setup could be different but you should be able to set them up using the nvidia settings gui or 'screens and graphics'
[04:19] <ReL1K> tich, i got the intel chipset
[04:19] <ReL1K> i wish i had the nvidia :)
[04:19] <tich> ah, intel.  i do not know.
[04:20] <tich> the intel is okay isn't it?
[04:20] <ReL1K> it works fine, just can't get dual mons working
[04:21] <tich> i don't know if you have seen this, or if it will be useful but: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.10_%28Gutsy_Gibbon%29_Tribe_5_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Installing_Nvidia_drivers_manually
[04:21] <ReL1K> yea, ive added a lot fo that
[04:21] <ReL1K> to that even
[04:21] <ReL1K> still haven't gotten it working :)
[04:22] <ReL1K> you got the fingerprint reader working?
[04:22] <tich> i haven't seen much in the ubuntu forums about the t61 yet.
[04:22] <tich> no i don't really use it so i haven't bothered.
[04:22] <tich> that we be a game i play later.
[04:22] <tich> we=will.
[04:22] <ReL1K> it was working
[04:22] <ReL1K> with pam
[04:22] <ReL1K> about 2 weeks ago
[04:22] <ReL1K> latest updates broke it
[04:23] <tich> have you tried reinstalling?
[04:23] <ReL1K> yea
[04:24] <tich> have you stumbled across anything for nvidia on you search for info on the t61?
[04:28] <tich> i installed the proprietary nvidia drivers using the restricted driver manager but it didn't install the nvidia x server settings.  is it supposed to be installed with the drivers?  how should i get it?
[04:28] <ReL1K> i haven't
[04:29] <ReL1K> sorry bud
[04:30] <darkchr0n0s> hi, i installed the latest kernel using the python file, so my kernel is now 2.6.22.12-generic
[04:31] <darkchr0n0s> the problem is update manager is showing upgrades like "linux-headers-2.6.20-12" and similar upgrades
[04:32] <darkchr0n0s> any idea, should i install those or not
[04:34] <darkchr0n0s> :(
[04:35] <ReL1K> darkchr0n0s: those are kernel updates
[04:35] <ReL1K> yes, i would suggest it
[04:36] <ReL1K> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:37] <lerolero> hmmm, anyone getting this:
[04:37] <lerolero> Setting up hotkey-setup (0.1-17ubuntu19) ...
[04:37] <lerolero> KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument
[04:37] <lerolero> failed to set scancode 8a to keycode 205
[04:39] <lerolero> also, my close buttons dissapeared.
[04:39] <martijn81>  will kubuntu also be enabled by default with compiz?
[04:39] <martijn81> just as ubuntu?
[04:39] <martijn81> will that be something with kwin
[04:41] <ArmedKing> Where in gutsy can i acces the more complex configuration of Compiz-fusion?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> martijn81: no.
[04:42] <martijn81> Hobbsee: hmmm, no effects for kde?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> martijn81: you can install compiz-kde if you wish
[04:46] <Hobbsee> proper kde compositing will come with kde4.
[04:47] <martijn81> Hobbsee: and that works with kwin?
[04:47] <martijn81> or should it replace kwin
[04:48] <`Matir> I don't know if this is gutsy-specific, but when my computer is starting, the splash shows for a few seconds as the progress bar goes across, then it switches off and displays standard text-mode init messages... any idea how i can keep the splash up?
[04:48] <darkchr0n0s> ReL1K, sry, i was in #ubuntu... but mu kernel is already 2.6.22.12
[04:48] <Hobbsee> martijn81: replaces kwin.  it's compiz, after all.
[04:49] <martijn81> i have no clue, lol
[04:49] <darkchr0n0s> ReL1K, and the updates have the value 2.6.20
[04:49] <darkchr0n0s> ReL1K, and the updates have the value 2.6.20.16
[04:54] <martijn81> Hobbsee: but how do i use compiz-kde then, i mean, how do i enable it?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> compiz --replace
[04:55] <martijn81> i see, but is there a way to run that automaticly?
[04:55] <martijn81> at boot?
[04:55] <scizzo-> martijn81: you add it a session thingy....
[04:56] <martijn81> a what? :p
[04:56] <scizzo-> there are session settings.....you add it as a command there...
[04:57] <martijn81> sure it is not gnome-specific?
[04:57] <scizzo-> no
[04:57] <elmargol> is MCP51 audio broken?
[04:58] <scizzo-> martijn81: I dont know what it is called in KDE but you have some sort of session management of things to start when you login with that session
[04:59] <scizzo-> martijn81: you just add it as a commandline in there
[05:02] <Rageon> hey does gutsy come with compiz fusion/
[05:02] <Eq|work> yes
[05:02] <Aondo> that's a yes
[05:03] <Rageon> awesome!
[05:03] <Rageon> is it a stable release?
[05:03] <Eq|work> gutsy? or fusion?
[05:03] <Eq|work> (i'd probably say no to both...)
[05:03] <Rageon> gutsy
[05:03] <Rageon> lol k
[05:04] <Rageon> ive heard setting up compiz fusion on feisty is hard for nubs like me, should i just wait and try this new release? :D
[05:04] <Rageon> *looks at ure title lol
[05:05] <IdleOne> Rageon: compiz-fusion will be included in 7.10 might as well wait
[05:06] <Rageon> so will it just come up as a option in Synaptic to upgrade or will i haveto download the iso again/
[05:07] <scizzo-> Rageon: which of it?
[05:07] <Rageon> when gutsys released
[05:07] <Rageon> can i just upgrade thru Synaptic or ...
[05:08] <scizzo-> Rageon: no...you have to upgrade....or get a iso for it and reinstall
[05:08] <Rageon> how do i do the upgrade thing u talk of
[05:08] <Rageon> is it like a patch? lol
[05:08] <Rageon> (im a noob)
[05:08] <IdleOne> Rageon: yes when gutsy is released you will have the option to upgrade from the upgrade manager
[05:09] <Rageon> thats leet :)
[05:09] <IdleOne> Rageon: do you get a update icon in the top right corner now and then?
[05:09] <lerolero> anybody else having problems with hotkey-setup package ?
[05:09] <Rageon> yea mate got one now, but i dont wanna reboot right now
[05:09] <IdleOne> alright when gutsy is released you will get the option.. gotta run
[05:09] <IdleOne> later
[05:10] <Rageon> later dude!
[05:10] <lerolero> also, my window decorations (metacity, not compiz) are f**ed up
[05:44] <wasabi> Um. Where do you disable cpu frequency scaling these days?
[05:46] <lerolero> wasabi: using the gnome applet ?
[05:47] <wasabi> and which gnome applet is this?
[05:51] <radius> is there issues with gaim/msn today?
[05:55] <ArmedKing> radius: Pidgin?
[05:55] <radius> yes
[05:55] <radius> i'm still launching it as gaim ;p
[05:56] <ArmedKing> radius: No problems that i'm aware of wassup?
[05:56] <radius> telling me to connect, even though status is connected
[05:56] <radius> users not listed
[05:57] <radius> nvm, just expanded the narrow screen - it says MSN servers are temp unavailable
[06:01] <joeamined> hi
[06:01] <joeamined> system sounds don't play for me, why ?
[06:01] <joeamined> is it a known bug ?
[06:02] <ArmedKing> joeamined: Check launchpad
[06:03] <joeamined> are the system sounds working for you (login, disconnect..) ?
[06:03] <`Matir> joeamined, system sounds work fine for me
[06:04] <ArmedKing> i dont know upgraded from feisty and i never use system sounds
[06:20] <elliotjhug> Hi all, any ideas on how to get tomcat started on gutsy?
[06:23] <slimz> hi guys, im using gutsy, with a radeon mobility 7000, i can get direct rending by typing glxinfo | grep direct, i still cannot enable desktop effects, anyone have a faq i could use, i cant seem to find one on google, i have also changed xorg.conf to load radeon instead of the default ati
[06:25] <wabid> im trying to create a passwordless account
[06:26] <wabid> i edited /etc/shadow to have the same encrypted password as the livecd but its not working
[06:26] <wabid> and now i dont know the password of the user at all
[06:40] <rafael> hi
[06:42] <wabid> how can i tell fstab to mount a drive for one user, but not another
[06:44] <Eq|work> you don't.
[06:44] <wabid> is there a way if i have a guest account, to tell it its not allowed to mount a certain drive
[06:44] <wabid> but still let them use external drives
[06:45] <wabid> i have an ntfs partition on my hard drive i dont want them to have access to
[06:49] <Eq|work> wabid : permissions?
[06:49] <Eq|work> dunno tbh
[07:01] <martijn81> anyone willing to help me setup compiz?
[07:01] <martijn81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38561
[07:01] <CountX> anyone willing to help me nott help you'
[07:01] <CountX> seriously i cant help you im dumb
[07:01] <PriceChild> martijn81, what card?
[07:02] <martijn81> PriceChild: nforce 3-ti
[07:02] <martijn81> i think that is
[07:02] <martijn81> how do i check?
[07:02] <PriceChild> nvidia nforce 3 ?
[07:02] <martijn81> yup
[07:02] <PriceChild> lspci | grep VGA
[07:03] <martijn81> GeForce3 Ti 200
[07:03] <PriceChild> system > preferences > appearance
[07:03] <PriceChild> choose the effects tab
[07:03] <PriceChild> and click normal
[07:03] <martijn81> myeah, kde here...
[07:03] <PriceChild> it will guide you through installing the nvidia drivers
[07:03] <PriceChild> then a reboot
[07:03] <PriceChild> gah
[07:03] <CountX> where is compiz-fusion?
[07:04] <boris_> ppl
[07:04] <CountX> ccsm?
[07:04] <boris_> gutsy is going to be released in october right ?
[07:04] <PriceChild> I have no experience of this... but here's my best guess martijn81
[07:04] <PriceChild> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:04] <riotkittie> i turned desktop effects up. it was a bad idea.
[07:04] <PriceChild> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:04] <riotkittie> boris_: mmhmm.
[07:04] <PriceChild> sudo apt-get install compiz
[07:04] <boris_> 1st october ?
[07:04] <PriceChild> martijn81, then reboot, and you shuold be able to start "compiz"
[07:04] <riotkittie> boris_: no idea as to the actual date, sorry
[07:04] <PriceChild> boris_, some time end of october
[07:04] <boris_> oh
[07:04] <boris_> k ty
[07:05] <lemo> boris_: if I remember correct, it's 17th or 18th
[07:05] <PriceChild> martijn81, gutsy is NOT for "anyone" to use, it is not finished and buggy
[07:05] <lemo> google for gutsy release schedule
[07:05] <martijn81> PriceChild: i know, but i must know, i just must
[07:06] <boris_> about bullet-proof X in gutsy - it still aint available ?
[07:07] <riotkittie> unfinished and buggy or not, my wireless works :D
[07:07] <CountX> mine too
[07:07] <CountX> crazy
[07:07] <CountX> bcm4311 now works
[07:07] <CountX> :)
[07:08] <CountX> i was in here all last week bugging people to help me
[07:09] <_sidd> Anyone having problem with their desktop? I have no icons on the desktop... and left-click and right-click does absolutely nothing on the desktop.
[07:10] <martijn81> PriceChild: now x won't start anymore, it says that there is no matching device section for instance bla bla is foung
[07:10] <martijn81> * found
[07:10] <riotkittie> _sidd: and killing and restarting nautilus doesnt help?
[07:10] <_sidd> I logged out and logged back in... still the same.
[07:13] <_sidd> riotkittie: how do you restart nautilus?
[07:16] <riotkittie> stupid F Lock :|
[07:17] <Pici> FFFF
[07:17] <riotkittie> most annoying key everrr, yay.
[07:22] <tich> does anyone use a nividia card with the proprietary drivers?
[07:27] <CountX> and now im bored
[07:27] <CountX> what games are fun on linux?
[07:28] <LjL> !games
[07:28] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[07:36] <rafael> heyho!
[07:37] <rafael> i just upgraded to gutsy.. but now i can't see something during the boot process (boot options: noapic, vga=795).. and if i switch on tty2 etc. i see a strange screen with a destroyed X
[07:39] <rom1v> hi
[07:39] <rom1v> I can't use my wifi card
[07:40] <rom1v> here is the result of the networking restart:
[07:40] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supportedWEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supportedWEXT auth param 5 value 0x1 -                                            [ OK ] 
[07:40] <rom1v> can someone help me?
[07:40] <rom1v> My card is: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[07:41] <Vegar> hmm
[07:41] <Vegar> I have the same card
[07:41] <Vegar> rom1v: doesn't wifi work at all?
[07:41] <rom1v> no :(
[07:42] <Vegar> that's weird
[07:42] <Vegar> it works perfectly for me
[07:42] <rom1v> wpa?
[07:42] <Vegar> yes
[07:42] <rom1v> o_O
[07:42] <Vegar> however, I did have issues at first
[07:42] <rom1v> this card was not supported before 2.6.22
[07:42] <rom1v> at all
[07:42] <Vegar> after the first install, it didn't work very well
[07:42] <rom1v> (that's why I installed Gutsy)
[07:42] <rom1v> (kernel 2.6.22)
[07:42] <Vegar> then, after reinstalling (I messed up bigtime), it just worked
[07:42] <Vegar> same CD and all
[07:43] <rom1v> auto wlan0iface wlan0 inet staticaddress 192.168.0.2netmask 255.255.255.0gateway 192.168.0.127wpa-ssid romwifiwpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK
[07:43] <rom1v> wpa-psk <thekey>
[07:43] <Vegar> I use NetworkManager
[07:43] <rom1v> (in /etc/network/interfaces)
[07:43] <Vegar> I move around a lot, and point-and-click to swap networks is perfect
[07:44] <rom1v> I have KDE
[07:44] <Vegar> ah
[07:44] <Vegar> check if network manager is running
[07:44] <rom1v> so it's KNetworkManager, but it doesn't work better than manually
[07:44] <Vegar> it might be messing up
[07:44] <Vegar> ps aux|grep Network
[07:44] <Vegar> (the capital N is important)
[07:44] <rom1v> root      5289  0.0  0.0   4368  2008 ?        Ss   18:07   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
[07:44] <gnomefreak> guys the fix for n-m nad wpa and ifupdown were all pushed yesterday it fixed 50+ bugs in total your could have been one of them
[07:45] <rom1v> I updated from apt today
[07:45] <Vegar> gnomefreak: are you saying that NetworkManager and ifup/down are playing along nicely?
[07:45] <gnomefreak> we are cleaning up and polishing n-m and freinds
[07:45] <Vegar> ah
[07:45] <Vegar> does n-m have an initscript?
[07:45] <gnomefreak> Vegar: yes for most part still some issues but we never claimed to fix all of them
[07:46] <rom1v> gnomefreak : sorry, I'm not english, did you say those bugs should be already corrected, or will be soon?
[07:46] <gnomefreak> rom1v: i didnt see your exact bug (if you filed one it would be helpfull so i would know if we fixed or not)
[07:46] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          RTNETLINK answers: No such processioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supportedWEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supportedWEXT auth param 5 value 0x1 -                                            [ OK ] 
[07:46] <gnomefreak> rom1v: but i can not and will never say " all your bugs are gone feel free to play)
[07:47] <gnomefreak> "
[07:47] <Vegar> gnomefreak: is there an initscript for n-m?
[07:47] <gnomefreak> rom1v: oh no
[07:47] <gnomefreak> you have got to be kiding me
[07:47] <gnomefreak> kidding me
[07:47] <gnomefreak> hold on a minute damn him
[07:48] <gnomefreak> rom1v: what versions of network-manager wpa_supp* ?
[07:48] <rom1v> hmmm... how to know?
[07:48] <gnomefreak> Vegar: not sure
[07:48] <rom1v> I sudo apt-get upgrade today
[07:49] <rom1v> on guts
[07:49] <rom1v> y
[07:49] <gnomefreak> rom1v: apt-cache policy network-manager?
[07:49] <gnomefreak> same for wpasupplicant(sp)
[07:49] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~$ sudo apt-cache policy network-managernetwork-manager:  Install: 0.6.5-0ubuntu14  Candidat: 0.6.5-0ubuntu14 Table de version: *** 0.6.5-0ubuntu14 0        500 http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:49] <gnomefreak> thats the fixed version
[07:49] <gnomefreak> damn
[07:49] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~$ sudo apt-cache policy wpasupplicantwpasupplicant:  Install: 0.6.0+0.5.8-0ubuntu1  Candidat: 0.6.0+0.5.8-0ubuntu1 Table de version: *** 0.6.0+0.5.8-0ubuntu1 0        500 http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:49] <gnomefreak> same there
[07:50] <rom1v> rom@rom-laptop:~$ lspci | grep Network03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
[07:51] <gnomefreak> rom1v: please file a bug and attach the output of lspci -v and attach the file /var/log/syslog  and than give me the bug number please
[07:51] <rom> sorry, kopete crashed :(
[07:51] <gnomefreak> robtaylor: maintainer isnt answering atm he might still be sick, i will take a look at the bug and go from there
[07:51] <gnomefreak> rom: gnomefreak > rom1v: please file a bug and attach the output of  lspci -v and attach the file /var/log/syslog  and  than give me the bug number please
[07:51] <gnomefreak> than the comment above it
[07:52] <rom> where can I file a bug?
[07:52] <Vegar> hmm
[07:52] <Vegar> I have rev61 too
[07:52] <Vegar> rom: what laptop is it?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> rom: launchpad.net
[07:52] <rom> Asus f3sv-ak143c
[07:52] <rom> thx
[07:52] <rom> I do it
[07:52] <Vegar> hmm..
[07:52] <gnomefreak> Vegar: its a regression
[07:53] <gnomefreak> Vegar: ive seen it before but i need logs to make sure ;)
[07:53] <Vegar> would it be too late to wish for an updated version of hdapsd?
[07:53] <gnomefreak> most likely way too late
[07:53] <Vegar> heh
[07:53] <Vegar> ok
[07:53] <gnomefreak> Vegar: file a bug and see
[07:53] <Vegar> I'll use the .deb from Sid then
[07:53] <gnomefreak> but beta ISOs are done and being tested atm
[07:53] <gnomefreak> so there may be 1 or 2 more spins to work bugs out for beta release
[07:54] <gnomefreak> shoot
[07:54] <gnomefreak> !daily
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[07:55] <gnomefreak> ok lets try this again
[07:57] <Vegar> gnomefreak: I have network-manager 0.6.5-0ubuntu14 too
[07:57] <rom> gnomefreak: to attach a file, I just copy past it ?
[07:58] <gnomefreak> rom: no file report add the output of lspci -v than continue once the bug comes up and says thank you for filing the bug or whatever it says than go to comment/attach file
[07:58] <gnomefreak> and attach it than
[07:58] <gnomefreak> use the browse radio button to search in the dirs. for the path i gave you
[07:59] <gnomefreak> *radio* not sound
[07:59] <rom> ;)
[07:59] <rom> I chose the "radio" button "No, I'd like to report a new bug"
[07:59] <rom> is it the good one?
[08:00] <rom> I added the outpuit of lspci -v
[08:00] <gnomefreak> rom: oh you are there where it says is one of these your bug?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> rom: yes you want to file a new one
[08:00] <gnomefreak> and add the output to the bug directly for lspci -v
[08:00] <rom> yes, but there is no way to send a file?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> rom: just wait there will be
[08:00] <rom> yes for lspci
[08:00] <rom> but for /var/log/syslog
[08:01] <gnomefreak> copy and paste the output of lspci -v for now forget the file
[08:01] <rom> ok
[08:01] <gnomefreak> once you have that hit continue or whatever the buttons says
[08:01] <rom> #144882
[08:01] <gnomefreak> rom: is the bug open in your browser?
[08:01] <rom> yes
[08:01] <gnomefreak> ok good
[08:01] <rom> ah yes there is "attachment"
[08:02] <gnomefreak> look at the bottom you see comment/attach file?
[08:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:02] <gnomefreak> thats it
[08:02] <Vegar> ok, upgraded wpasupplicant
[08:02] <Vegar> lets see now
[08:02] <gnomefreak> brb gnomebaker hates me again
[08:02] <rom> file uploaded
[08:03] <gnomefreak> bug 144882
[08:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144882
[08:03] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:04] <Vegar> still works for me..
[08:04] <Vegar> should I feel special?
[08:04] <rom> what is your laptop vegar?
[08:04] <Vegar> Thinkpad T61
[08:04] <Vegar> rom: did it suddenly stop working?
[08:04] <rom> no, my laptop is quite new
[08:04] <rom> (3 - 4 days)
[08:04] <rom> I never managed to make it work
[08:05] <Vegar> ah, ok
[08:05] <Vegar> mine is quite new too
[08:05] <Vegar> about a week I think
[08:05] <Vegar> maybe two
[08:05] <Vegar> yeah, two weeks
[08:05] <gnomefreak> your thinking way too broad people
[08:05] <gnomefreak> brb still trying
[08:05] <Vegar> hehe
[08:06] <rom> in your country (what is your country?), is it easy to buy a laptop without windows?
[08:06] <Vegar> Norway - no, it's not easy
[08:06] <rom> :(
[08:07] <Vegar> well..
[08:07] <Vegar> a few webshops have started selling laptops with ubuntu preinstalled
[08:07] <Vegar> so it might change
[08:07] <rom> I bought it without windows (in fact the website were I bought it removed it), but I won only 20
[08:07] <rom> (Windows license was useless for me, so I decided to win 20 instead of no win 20 o_O)
[08:08] <Vegar> I got vista business with mine
[08:08] <Vegar> and I can downgrade to XP if I want
[08:08] <rom> but there was a lawsuit where Acer gave about 500 for the reimbursement of windows, works, norton, etc..
[08:09] <Vegar> heh
[08:09] <rom> I have a free license of Windows Vista Business from my school
[08:09] <rom> but I don't use it
[08:09] <Vegar> Dell have also refunded windows
[08:10] <Vegar> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html
[08:10] <rom> gnomefreak: if you have any question for resolving the bug (if I am not on the channel), you can contact me at rom1v@jabber.fr (on jabber)
[08:11] <gnomefreak> keep in mind network-manager doesnt much care what laptop/desktop you have or when you got it or how new it is, its main care if what chipset you are using ;)
[08:11] <rom> ok
[08:11] <gnomefreak> rom: ok ill talk it over with asac and see what he did (if anything)
[08:11] <rom> ;)
[08:11] <gnomefreak> ill be here sort of i have to test ISO so i might be on laptop since he didnt screw mine up ;)
[08:12] <Vegar> hehe
[08:12] <gnomefreak> oh i gonna have fun with him :)
[08:12] <rom1v> lol, there is rom and rom1v, we are the same
[08:12] <rom> :)
[08:18] <rom1v> gnomefreak : I am not urging you, it's just to know, can I hope an answer tonight, tomorrow, next week?
[08:19] <gnomefreak> rom1v: depends on how asac feels
[08:19] <rom1v> :)
[08:21] <falstaff> Can somebody check this: Open CompizConfig, Cube rotation (in german Wrfel drehen) set screencorner bottomleft for turn left and bottom right for turn right
[08:21] <falstaff> for me it does not work
[08:21] <falstaff> can somebody confirm this? If so i will report this bug
[08:22] <maccam94> anyone in here familiar with the videocard blacklist for compiz/desktop effects?
[08:23] <Vegar> hmmmm
[08:23] <Vegar> I really wonder how NetworkManager is started
[08:23] <atreju> falstaff: same here.
[08:23] <falstaff> atreju: so its a bug, do you agree?
[08:23] <maccam94> my laptop's video card is blacklisted, but seems to work fine...
[08:24] <atreju> yes, I think so. There are more problems with the screen corners though. Setting 'Hide all Apps and show Desktop' to a Screencorner doesn't work for me either
[08:26] <falstaff> Top right screen corner works for me for the expos feature (its called Skalieren in german, maybe scale in english...)
[08:26] <maccam94> yes, it's scale
[08:27] <atreju> falstaff: Yes that works for me, too but it's the only thing that works from a screen corner AFAICT
[08:27] <falstaff> Do you know where i have to report this bug? Launchpad?
[08:28] <atreju> Launchpad, yes.
[08:29] <falstaff> I tried, but there is a warning (compizconfig-settings-manager does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.) altough?
[08:31] <rom1v> another thing in compiz fusion, there is a problem with focus
[08:31] <rom1v> if you click on a window behind, it has the focus, but stay behind
[08:32] <Hobbsee> !bug
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[08:32] <radius> getting error applying updates for >> libpythonize0 <<
[08:32] <Hobbsee> radius: known, already fixed.
[08:32] <radius> ok thanks
[08:32] <johnficca> what is with the animal skin? I hope this is some kind of joke.
[08:33] <Pici> Why a joke?
[08:33] <johnficca> does any one other then me have a problem with ekiga crashing
[08:33] <johnficca> ?
[08:33] <maccam94> johnficca, pici, new backgrounds uploaded today?
[08:33] <CountX> im having an issue with sound, its really quiet from 0-90% and at like 95 and 100 its blarring
[08:34] <johnficca> maccam94: yes
[08:34] <joeamined> hi
[08:34] <atreju> falstaff: Setting the Screen Corner in gconf works for me. So the bug apparently really is in ccsm, not in compiz
[08:34] <maccam94> johnficca: lion? elephant? giraffe? i saw a few on the wiki a while back, which has been chosen for the default now?
[08:34] <rom1v> http://www.xitimonitor.com/Images/etudes/fr-FR/OS-200709-4.png : Linux has 0.81% :)
[08:35] <rom1v> it's growing
[08:35] <johnficca> maccam94: elephant
[08:35] <slackern> what is the prefered way if i want to reset all the gnome related setting for a user, like it is when it's started for the first time
[08:35] <joeamined> after an upgrade from feisty to gutsy, system sounds no longer work for me (login, disconnect..). How to fix that ? is it a knownk issue ?
[08:35] <johnficca> maccam94: I don't know if it is default
[08:36] <CountX> joeamined, i think they removed that stuff in gutsy unstill its finished
[08:36] <johnficca> when trying to start ekiga I get /home/johnficca/.themes/Clearlooks_whitegraphite/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:53: Clearlooks configuration option "sunkenmenu" is not supported and will be ignored.
[08:36] <johnficca> ekiga: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libopal.so.2.2: undefined symbol: _ZN11PSafeObjectC2Ev
[08:36] <joeamined> countx : it doesn't work for you too ?
[08:37] <CountX> joeamined, nope
[08:37] <CountX> joeamined, no sound at login, just a beep
[08:37] <joeamined> ah okay,
[08:37] <joeamined> so i think it's as you said..
[08:37] <johnficca> I looked in usr/lib and libopal.so.2.2 is there, so I don't get it
[08:37] <CountX> also as a matter of fact i cant network with a windows pc...
[08:38] <CountX> it wont let me see it
[08:45] <NeoGeo64> Man, I've had it rough.
[08:45] <CountX> have you now?
[08:45] <NeoGeo64> I used to live in Manhatten, but after 9/11 I moved from the big city to the big easy and then Katrina hit.
[08:46] <CountX> lol
[08:46] <NeoGeo64> im like wtf man
[08:46] <CountX> the government conspiracies follow you?
[08:46] <NeoGeo64> yessss
[08:46] <CountX> lol
[08:46] <CountX> i kno how you feel
[08:46] <radius> you just have dumb luck is all
[08:46] <CountX> or retarded luck
[08:46] <CountX> seriously
[08:46] <NeoGeo64> The WTC was controlled demo'd.
[08:47] <CountX> no duh
[08:47] <NeoGeo64> professional demolition explosioves and planning were used to murder thousands
[08:47] <NeoGeo64> thats fuuuuuuuucked up
[08:47] <CountX> ok now shhh before they hear u
[08:47] <CountX> weve all seen loose change
[08:47] <NeoGeo64> how can they blow up skyscrapers and get away with it?
[08:47] <NeoGeo64> like wtf
[08:47] <CountX> cause we dont live in canada where we should be living
[08:48] <NeoGeo64> lol
[08:48] <NeoGeo64> no thanks @ canada
[08:48] <NeoGeo64> too cold.
[08:48] <NeoGeo64> georgia is too cold in the winter as it is.
[08:48] <CountX> i love the cold
[08:48] <NeoGeo64> you can have it!
[08:48] <CountX> i like backpacking when its cold
[08:49] <CountX> you ever go backpacking
[08:49] <NeoGeo64> yeah, try smoking a joint outside when its 25 degrees.
[08:49] <CountX> its fun
[08:49] <CountX> i have
[08:49] <yeager> welcome to Sweden.. we have nice ladies and COLD weather :-)
[08:49] <NeoGeo64> not very enjoyable
[08:49] <CountX> sweden is too far
[08:49] <NeoGeo64> i do love blonde chicks
[08:49] <falstaff> atreju: where can i find this in gconf?
[08:49] <NeoGeo64> i get rock hard when i see a hot blonde chick
[08:49] <yeager> hehe
[08:49] <Pici> !offtopic
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[08:50] <NeoGeo64> lol
[08:50] <NeoGeo64> ok
[08:50] <CountX> im banned from offtopic :(
[08:50] <CountX> i got too offtopic for offtopic...
[08:50] <NeoGeo64> im in your friend's chan
[08:50] <NeoGeo64> lolol
[08:50] <atreju> falstaff: apps/compiz/plugins/rotat/allscreens/options
[08:50] <yeager> ok, back to topic
[08:50] <Pici> CountX: You can join #ubuntu-ops to see if the ban can be lifted if you want.
[08:51] <yeager> anyone noticed the annoying bug in apt-listchanges? database corruption
[08:51] <Pici> yeager: yes!
[08:51] <CountX> naw, i dont wanna bother the,m
[08:51] <atreju> falstaff: and there it's rotate_left(right)_window_edge
[08:51] <Pici> yeager: I actually just purged apt-listchanges and reinstalled it to see if that fixes it.  The bug on LP suggested that.
[08:51] <yeager> Pici: do you know if it has been fixed or know a workaround?
[08:52] <yeager> aha, will try
[08:52] <Pici> literally a minute ago too ;)
[08:54] <yeager> great.. seems to work
[09:25] <lerolero> Setting up gnome-compiz-manager (0.10.3-0ubuntu2) ...
[09:25] <lerolero> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error
[09:25] <lerolero> dpkg: error processing gnome-compiz-manager (--configure):
[09:25] <lerolero>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[09:25] <lerolero> any hints ?
[09:25] <lerolero> :D
[09:26] <slimz> hi guys, im using gutsy, with a radeon mobility 7000, i can get direct rending by typing glxinfo | grep direct, i still cannot enable desktop effects, anyone have a faq i could use, i cant seem to find one on google, i have also changed xorg.conf to load radeon instead of the default ati
[09:27] <ReL1K> anyone got dual monitors working on intel video cards?
[09:27] <ReL1K> _sidd, the xrandr stuff didn't work
[09:27] <lerolero> damn intel cards. mine is not working too.
[09:27] <ReL1K> hehe
[09:27] <ReL1K> sucks doesn't it?
[09:27] <lerolero> but it seems that we don't get enough support anyway.
[09:27] <ReL1K> i got compiz working on intel
[09:27] <ReL1K> still kinda unstable, but works pretty good
[09:28] <lerolero> mee too, but its damn unstable.
[09:28] <ReL1K> didn't get dual monitors working
[09:28] <lerolero> icons disapearing... windows going away...
[09:28] <lerolero> good luck, pal
[09:28] <lerolero> ;)
[09:28] <ReL1K> haha
[09:28] <ReL1K> yea, i was using virtualbox a second ago
[09:28] <ReL1K> just closed
[09:28] <ReL1K> for no reason
[09:33] <rom1v> for driver developpers, how do you do from the name of the chipset to develop a driver? You have all the chipsets of the world? or do you have the specs?
[09:40] <acuster> Hey all,
[09:40] <acuster> trying to upgrade an edgy to a gutsy, I'm getting:
[09:40] <acuster> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:40] <acuster>   udev: Breaks: libdevmapper1.02 (< 2:1.02.08-1ubuntu7) but 2:1.02.07-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:40] <acuster> what does the Breaks mean?
[09:43] <baastrup> Hi there, there is a problem with the displayconfig and restricted manager, my old card is a gefroce3 ti 500 and should use nividia-legacy drivers but the system automatic installes nvidia-glx or nvidia.glx.new and they dont work!!!
[10:01] <tate> Hello, I have a gutsy gibbon question; I have just installed Gutsy Gibbon on a machine with a Geforce 6800.  None of the GLX packages work for it, I have to use the 'nv' driver in the xorg config which of course doesn't enable 3d.
[10:05] <rathel> lol I think OpenBox has a bug... I can't create a custom menu, when I do no menu comes up when I right-click.
[10:13] <tsukasa> hey is this the appropriate place to request a package be made
[10:15] <RadiantFire> not really
[10:16] <tsukasa> which channel then?
[10:17] <RadiantFire> possibly #ubuntu-motu
[10:17] <RadiantFire> there is something like that
[10:23] <rom1v> why on each kernel update I have to reinstall nvidia drivers?
[10:24] <mc44> did you install the nvidia drivers from the repositories or from nvidia.com?
[10:25] <rom1v> nvidia
[10:25] <rom1v> to have the latest
[10:25] <rom1v> x.19
[10:25] <mc44> if you used the ones from the repos you wouldn't need to keep updating them :)
[10:27] <rathel> Can someone double check my OpenBox menu.xml to make sure it's me and that OpenBox doesn't have a weird menu bug? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38583/
[10:30] <rafael__> hello
[10:30] <rafael__> i just installed the gutsy.. sound is not working. i have a sigmatel 82801G (ich7 family) how can i fix it ?
[10:30] <rafael__> please
[10:31] <knix> rathel: If by menu bug you mean it doesn't have a titlebar
[10:31] <rafael__> hello ?
[10:32] <rathel> knix, nope I mean the thing won't show up if I make a custom menu.
[10:32] <murkyMurk> gusty alternate fails to recognise sata drive...MCP55 SATA controller
[10:34] <rafael__> sound sigmatel intel 82801G (ich7 family) is not working
[10:34] <knix> rafael__: you just said that
[10:34] <rafael__> knix: sorry. i just wanted to know if i can fix it easily
[10:34] <knix> I'm sure if someone knows they will say something
[10:34] <knix> And mine works fine
[10:35] <knix> So I dunno
[10:35] <knix> I've never had a problem with it
[10:35] <murkyMurk> any brights? also foo'd in feisty installer but ok back in edgy
[10:35] <rafael__> knix: is not strange the synaptic has just few things to add ? i selected multiverse universe, theses things but there is still few things
[10:36] <knix> Held back packages?
[10:36] <knix> That's normal
[10:36] <rafael__> i see
[10:36] <knix> Are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[10:36] <ConstyXIV> what's the command to suspend from the console?
[10:36] <knix> Make sure you dist-upgrade
[10:36] <rafael__> knix: did u have problem to try to install the flashplugin there ?
[10:37] <knix> ConstyXIV: apm -s
[10:37] <rafael__> never finish the installation
[10:37] <knix> rafael__: no
[10:37] <rafael__> right
[10:37] <riotkittie> i just installed it no probs
[10:38] <ConstyXIV> knix: "No APM support in kernel
[10:49] <petterah> hello all, the dpi font problem is fixed, hurra :D
[10:49] <knix> Too bad the rendering isn't!
[10:49] <knix> lol
[10:49] <knix> sooo fuzzzyyyyy
[10:49] <petterah> rendering of fonts?
[10:49] <knix> yes
[10:50] <knix> The subpixel stuff =/
[10:50] <knix> lists say it has been reverted, but it sure doesn't look like it
[10:51] <petterah> hm... i'll check my system
[10:51] <knix> Are you using subpixel aa?
[10:52] <petterah> if i only knew what that was?
[10:52] <petterah> :D
[10:52] <petterah> I use subpixel (LCD) yes
[10:52] <petterah> hm, have the human theme gotten darker? more brown and grey, instead of beige and orange?
[10:52] <tretle> how do I perform a system cleanup from the terminal?
[10:54] <slackern> hmm haven't tried subpixel in gutsy, it looks alot better or is it just me?
[10:54] <knix> tretle: system cleanup?
[10:54] <contrast83> Is there a package in the repositories I can install if I *only* want the GNOME desktop environment, but not all the extra applications that come with it?
[10:54] <tretle> after you install a partial upgrade you can do a cleanup?
[10:55] <tretle> well the partial upgrade usually does it
[10:55] <slackern> tretle, you mean that sudo apt-get -f install ?
[10:56] <contrast83> Sometimes you'll have to do "dpkg --configure -a" instead of "apt-get -f install" - Just depends on how broken things are.
[10:57] <knix> tretle: apt-get autoclean?
[10:57] <knix> That'll just remove cached packages and things though
[10:57] <knix> saved*
[10:58] <lerolero> anybody experiencing keyboard problems on gutsy ?
[10:58] <lerolero> like gnome keyboard shortcuts showing nothing
[11:01] <contrast83> lerolero: Is Compiz running?
[11:02] <contrast83> I have to disable the "Run command" and "Main menu" shortcuts in CompizConfig, but I'm on KDE. I would think they would work in GNOME though.
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> can someone pls unban me from #Ubuntu
[11:06] <NeoGeo64> anyone who can ask someone in there on my behalf
[11:06] <mc44> NeoGeo64: please ask in #ubuntu-ops
[11:08] <databuddy> hey the boinc-manager doesnt save the settings i put on it for seti@home etc
[11:08] <databuddy> ;_;
[11:10] <level1> I'm having a world of trouble getting my computer to suspend or hibernate correctly.  I'm also being forced to use fglrx even though I'd rather use something else... I think these two issues may be related
[11:11] <contrast83> level1: They very well could be. FGLRX gave hard locks on my grandfather's computer whenever he tried to shutdown/reboot/etc.
[11:11] <rathel> Hi, I need some help with OpenBox custom menu not working.
[11:11] <contrast83> level1: Laptop?
[11:12] <fsckr> is there a date other than Oct 2007 for gutsy? Have the worked on that yet
[11:12] <tretle> yeah had to do a dpkg --configure -a , I was just wondering whether it cleaned the system afterwards... I presume cleaning a system means getting rid of the old kernals after a new version is installed and what not
[11:12] <level1> contrast83: of course
[11:13] <level1> contrast83: the livecd won't boot into X without fglrx.  The installed version also seems to have this issue
[11:13] <level1> contrast83: I have to install fglrx and modify my xorg.conf to get it running
[11:13] <level1> contrast83: I'd rather use vesa
[11:13] <kurros> tretle: i'm pretty sure you have to manually remove any old kernel packages, they stay in your grub boot list
[11:13] <contrast83> level1: I know this isn't what you wanna hear, but ATI's supposed to be putting out the next version of Catalyst (with laptop support) within a month or two.
[11:14] <contrast83> That's strange you can't use vesa. I always thought that was supposed to *always* work.
[11:15] <level1> contrast83: hmmm... a freind was offering to sell me an nvidia card in about a few weeks, should I take that deal?
[11:15] <level1> contrast83: it'll be about 100$
[11:15] <contrast83> level1: Go on eBay
[11:15] <contrast83> level1: I just got a 256MB FX5500 off of there for ~$50 w/ shipping
[11:16] <contrast83> Unless it's like, an 8800 GTX or something, $100 is a ripoff for a used card.
[11:16] <level1> contrast83: anyway, I can use vesa in debian.  Edgy was also a little saner... feisty could suspend, but it wouldn't work sometimes... it does what I call a pseudosuspend
[11:17] <contrast83> Suspend but no resume?
[11:18] <level1> contrast83: no, worse
[11:18] <level1> contrast83: it turns off all the peripherals including fans but leaves the cpu running, so the cpu overheats
[11:18] <level1> contrast83: on feisty it happend 1 in 10 times... in gutsy it seems to happen everytime
[11:19] <contrast83> ouch.
[11:19] <level1> the reason I got gutsy was because I thought the new kernel might fix it
[11:19] <contrast83> You're lucky it still works. o_O
[11:19] <level1> actually, I'm considering going back to edgy
[11:19] <contrast83> The CPU, I mean
[11:19] <contrast83> Did Dapper not work with it either?
[11:19] <level1> contrast83: the cpu will be okay for a few minutes through passive cooling (it is a laptop)
[11:20] <level1> contrast83: never tried dapper
[11:20] <level1> actually, I'll probably just go back to debian unstable
[11:20] <contrast83> If you're gonna go back to Edgy, I'd say try Dapper first. Edgy will be "dead" in a few months
[11:21] <contrast83> So wait, you said this is a laptop, right?
[11:21] <level1> yeah
[11:21] <contrast83> But you're thinking of buying an nVidia card for it?
[11:21] <level1> I can't really be happy with it unless I can either suspend or resume
[11:21] <contrast83> Or is that unrelated?
[11:21] <murkyMurk> no sata drives in new gutsy install
[11:21] <level1> contrast83: my freind happens to have the same laptop but with an nvidia card
[11:21] <contrast83> level1: Ohh, I see.
[11:22] <contrast83> level1: I wasn't thinking about it being a laptop. Yes, I would definitely take that deal.
[11:22] <murkyMurk> okay, no SATA drive on MY gutsy install MCP55
[11:22] <contrast83> murkyMurk: Much better. :-P
[11:22] <contrast83> murkyMurk: Does it just not even recognize the drive being there when you're installing?
[11:23] <level1> contrast83: anyway, what are the configuration options i can play with in the desperate hope of getting suspend working?
[11:23] <Xero> I found 25 dollars on the street :P
[11:23] <murkyMurk> contrast83: nope, just tried alt CD and it's as if my sda doesn't exist
[11:24] <contrast83> level1: What brand's your laptop?
[11:24] <level1> Dell E1705
[11:24] <contrast83> hang on...
[11:26] <contrast83> level1: Trevino has an Ubuntu repository for improved suspend/resume on laptops, it *might* work
[11:26] <level1> contrast83: somebody told me to download something called uswsusp or something
[11:26] <contrast83> http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/pool/feisty/suspend2/
[11:26] <contrast83> i haven't heard of that
[11:26] <level1> then I was supposed to run the command s2ram, but the command didn't exsist... that really pissed me off
[11:27] <level1> how do I add this repository?
[11:29] <contrast83> one sec...
[11:30] <Laibsch> level1: are you on gutsy?
[11:30] <level1> yeah
[11:30] <Laibsch> level1: Are you sure you should be?
[11:31] <level1> Laibsch: I know all the principles of apt management, its just that website doesn't really indicate to me the actual location of the repository, its just an html index
[11:32] <contrast83> level1: the server is acting up, so when you go to the actual index page ( http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/index.html ) it doesn't send the mimetype correctly, so I'm trying to remember the syntax for converting a URL to a line for sources.list
[11:33] <level1> contrast83: actually, I found it
[11:34] <contrast83> at the same time i did. perfect. :-)
[11:50] <CountX> anyone know why my mic is all static
[11:50] <CountX> and like you can barely hear the recording
[11:53] <level1_> if were going to have kwlan on the repositories, can we at least rename kdisableinternet?
[11:53] <level1_> its much more informative of a name
[11:56] <tretle> anyone here got avant windows navigator/awn working on gutsy?
 lerolero: Is Compiz running?
[11:58] <lerolero> yes, it is
[11:58] <lerolero> (waaaaay back the log)
[11:59] <lerolero> hotkeys-setup package does not work here.
[12:01] <Lunar_Lamp> Mythfrontend now segfaults when run :-/
[12:01] <enyc> Lunar_Lamp: erk
[12:04] <wabiD> is there a reason my super key is mapped by default to Super+L
[12:06] <Laibsch> My dual-head setup for X stopped working when I upgraded to gutsy.
[12:06] <Laibsch> I had been using MergedFB which according to Xorg.0.log has been depracated.
[12:07] <Laibsch> It says something about xrandr but I cannot seem to figure it out.
[12:07] <Laibsch> The "Screens and Graphics" config applet crashes and does not show the correct information anyhow.
[12:07] <Laibsch> Where can I read up on how to configure this stuff correctly now?
[12:08] <Lars_G_> Hi all.
[12:08] <Lars_G_> I'll try here
[12:08] <Lars_G_> I want to upgrade my machine to the last flight
[12:08] <Lars_G_> from Feisty
[12:08] <Laibsch> Lars_G_: Wrong channel
[12:08] <Laibsch> oops sorry
[12:09] <Laibsch> My mistake.
[12:09] <Laibsch> Lars_G_: You intend to update to gutsy?
[12:09] <mc44> Lars_G_: you mean tribe not flight?
[12:09] <Lars_G_> My problem is, I can't use distupgrade
[12:09] <Lars_G_> yeah I meant tribe
[12:09] <enyc> Laibsch: well... you can upgrode to "most recent"... it may not be same as exact tribe
[12:09] <Lars_G_> I can't use distupgrade it seems, because right now I'm running i386, and I want to switch to the amd64 build
[12:09] <enyc> Laibsch: why cannot Lars_G_ use dist-upgrade?
[12:09] <mc44> then you need to reinstall
[12:09] <Laibsch> enyc: I think you were talking to the wrong person?
[12:09] <enyc> Laibsch: aah yes
[12:09] <enyc> Laibsch: error in enyc
[12:10] <Laibsch> hehe ;-)
[12:10] <enyc> Laibsch: this is reinstall-needed
[12:10] <enyc> Laibsch: aaaaaaaaaaaaarrigh
[12:10] <mc44> Lars_G_: just do a fresh install. You may as well wait for the beta, though
[12:10] <enyc> Lars_G_: this is reinstall-needed
[12:10] <enyc> Lars_G_: I have heard bad things abouth the testing-cds though
[12:10] <Lars_G_> mc44: yes I am thinking that a fresh install over it. but I got almost no space easily usseable to backup all my settings and data... see my dilema?
[12:10] <enyc> Lars_G_: and had a bad experience myself....  using dist-upgrade from Feisty seems better
[12:11] <Lars_G_> enyc: yes but I can't use dist-upgrade to move cross builds, can I?
[12:11] <enyc> Lars_G_: if anything important is not backed up... then you have a bigger problem and should not be using testing-releases... go get extra external harddisk etc
[12:11] <enyc> Lars_G_: no, you cannot
[12:11] <enyc> Lars_G_: if you do not have working backups of important things you really really should get that sorted and not do anything with testing-releases ;-)
[12:12] <Lars_G_> well yeah that's a valid point.
[12:12] <Laibsch> !x
[12:12] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:12] <Laibsch> !xorg
[12:12] <enyc> Lars_G_: if you are not in the position you can "reinstall" happily then you should get that sorted first ;-)
[12:13] <Laibsch> !xorg.conf
[12:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:13] <enyc> Lars_G_: be aware using non-i386 can cause some problems  but this is fairly-well-sorted now....  i remember 32-bit binary stuff has been a hassle
[12:14] <Lars_G_> enyc: yeah, but I have few closed programs right now. and I think I'll try to sort these in a chroot jail
[12:14] <bastid_raZor> i can't wait~! till gutsy comes out.. compiz-fusion is driving me nuts on 7.04
[12:15] <Lars_G_> btw this guy is mad
[12:15] <Lars_G_> http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/post/2006/11/07/363-the-man-who-did-not-know-he-had-an-amd64
[12:15] <d4rkmonkey> say wHHHAAATTTT!?
[12:16] <enyc> Lars_G_: fine
[12:16] <Lars_G_> enyc: ?
[12:16] <enyc> Lars_G_: actually many things can work by installing "ia32-libs"
[12:16] <Lars_G_> Nod
[12:16] <Lars_G_> I pray so.
[12:16] <enyc> Lars_G_: and sometimes copying other binary libs across
[12:17] <Lars_G_> otherwise, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it
[12:17] <enyc> Lars_G_: yes have phun
[12:17] <enyc> Lars_G_: actually ot w0rk we are moving things to Xen VMs ... they are actually amd64 Debian Etch4.0
[12:17] <Lars_G_> Btw why don'y you like tribe cds?
[12:17] <Lars_G_> xen vms....
[12:17] <Lars_G_> wait.
[12:17] <Lars_G_> WTF
[12:17] <Lars_G_> I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT!!!
[12:18] <Lars_G_> My amd64 is recent!!! I should have a cpu based hypervisor now, shouldn't I?????
[12:18] <enyc> Lars_G_: debian/ubuntu makes little difference to our serversuse....  and i am using Ubuntu DApper 32bit chroot inside Debain etch4.0 which works fine
[12:18] <enyc> Lars_G_: (to run older website systew which uses this horrid 32bit binary thing in there somewhere)
[12:18] <enyc> Lars_G_: erm
[12:19] <enyc> Lars_G_: for  linux-on-linux,  Xen is fine -- it does not need  CPU support to achieve high performance
[12:19] <Lars_G_> it does not. but it helps
[12:19] <Lars_G_> specially if I want to use vmware too, to host a windows guest
[12:19] <enyc> Lars_G_: because Xen 'paravirtualization' involves high efficiency "hypercalls" and guest kernel PORTED to run on xen
[12:20] <enyc> Lars_G_: however you cant use it with vmware/qemu accelerated without hardware virtualization i think
[12:20] <enyc> Lars_G_: erm... what have you found about vmware inside xen then?
[12:21] <Lars_G_> vmware inside xen?? wtf?
[12:21] <enyc> Lars_G_: hehe... i dont think you can "stack" paravirtualization in this way
[12:21] <jmg> you can
[12:22] <jmg> but its not smart
[12:22] <iac_lizardking>  Hello everybody
[12:22] <Lars_G_> enyc: I think I'll ignore you until you become rational again
[12:22] <iac_lizardking>  I'm testing Gutsy and I have some trouble with XGL and gnome-setting-damon with ati
[12:23] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Have you done any special Xgl set up?
[12:23] <enyc> Lars_G_: i dont understand ;-(
[12:23] <iac_lizardking> no
[12:23] <Lars_G_> enyc: you're talking nonsense. I mean you're following subjects I never mentioned.
[12:23] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: the problem is descriped in this forum post
[12:23] <Lars_G_> I never talked about virtualization stacking.
[12:23] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=559882
[12:24] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: the problem is that Gutsy install and enable xgl without my permission and moreover gnome-setting-daemon does not work more
[12:25] <enyc> Lars_G_: hrrm... does this matter... I was thinking of the virtualization_stacking that I wanted to understand
[12:25] <enyc> Lars_G_: this does not depend upon you having specifically queried/mentioned that
[12:25] <Lars_G_> Ah sure.
[12:25] <Lars_G_> I just thought you where discussing something I said. :/
[12:25] <enyc> Lars_G_: no matter
[12:26] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Ok.  (1) We assume that if you installed Xgl, then you want to *use* xgl :).  (2) You can't report (useful) bugs when using trevino's repositories.
[12:26] <iac_lizardking> no, XGL is installed by default with Gutsy
[12:26] <iac_lizardking> before I did not use XGl but AIGLX
[12:27] <mc44> it's not installed by default
[12:28] <iac_lizardking> ok so I could try to remove it?
[12:28] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Yes, absolutely.
[12:28] <iac_lizardking> I do it now
[12:28] <enyc> Lars_G_: I dont like the tribe_cds because ive had trouble with at least one of those recently
[12:28] <enyc> Lars_G_: and... ive heard others in here with problems too
[12:29] <enyc> Lars_G_: seemingly using  feisty dist-upgrade is more reliable...  but i dont know much more
[12:30] <Lars_G_> enyc: trouble is I can't do it in my situation :)
[12:31] <Lars_G_> Meh
[12:31] <Lars_G_> and it seems my cpu is downscaled to 1Ghz right now. and the kernel isn't compiled to let me change it
[12:33] <enyc> Lars_G_: well get external hdd or similar to backup
[12:33] <enyc> Lars_G_: if your files are that important to you you wish to keep then, then backup them elsewhere ;-)
[12:35] <Lars_G_> yeah yeah
[12:36] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: ok i removed xgl and fglrx. I should return to AIGLX and radeon right?
[12:37] <wabiD> is /home/wabid/Desktop/libgnome-2.20.0/schemas where keyboard shortcuts are stored
[12:37] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Hopefully, yes.  You may have to "sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa"
[12:38] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: ops, gnome-setting-daemon crashes at gnome startup
[12:39] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Right.  So that (may be) a bug.  However, that *may* just be a side-effect of having trevio's packages.
[12:40] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: but doing the distupgrade The setup disable that repository, Moreover I have another problem my CPU is 67% by udev constantly
[12:40] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: But his compiz packages may not have been removed, and may not have been removed cleanly.
[12:41] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Also, bugs should be filed at launchpad.net/ubuntu :)
[12:42] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: I remove --purge all compiz package and reinstall it.. What should I bug?
[12:42] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: Well, for the udev problem, udev.
[12:43] <RAOF> iac_lizardking: For the gnome-settings-daemon crash, apport should pop up and offer to file a bug for you.
[12:44] <databuddy> hm
[12:45] <databuddy> ok i have an older dvd drive and a newer dvd drive
[12:45] <databuddy> both ide... but only the newer one will burn - and both will read...
[12:45] <databuddy> well technically the old one trys to burn - it just errors out etc
[12:45] <databuddy> was there some atapi change in drivers or something?
[12:45] <iac_lizardking> RAOF: ok, well there is a bug already open. I inserted a comment that on my PC do that bug. Is not confirmed...
[12:52] <lerolero> hotkeys-setup package does not work here.
[12:52] <Xero> lerolero, same here.
[12:52] <Xero> Keybinds are screwy. I just use XBindKeys.
[12:53] <lerolero> hmmm... what about those ninja compiz bindings ? do those work too ?
[12:53] <Xero> lerolero, I think so.
[12:54] <Xero> It doesn't matter much to me, though, as long as Ctrl+F12=search and my multimedia keys work.
[12:54] <jmg> netD: ping
[12:54] <lerolero> i'd really like ctrl+alt+button 1 to work
[12:54] <lerolero> roll the cube, babe
[12:54] <lerolero> but compiz in general is f**ked up
[12:54] <Xero> lerolero, it does here. Are you sure the 'ninja compiz bindings' aren't working?
[12:55] <lerolero> i don't quite remember any other than ctrl+alt+button 1
[12:55] <Xero> try winkey(super)+E
[12:56] <lerolero> WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[12:56] <lerolero> whoa
[12:56] <lerolero> zooming. :)
[12:56] <Xero> lol
[12:56] <lerolero> there must be some gconf crap that might set my cube rolling
[12:56] <Xero> You just figured out that it does that?
[12:56] <lerolero> yup.
[12:56] <lerolero> whole new world of compiz.
[12:56] <Xero> Mine isn't zoom, though. Mine's a vortex of dooooooom.
[12:57] <lerolero> any other awesome key you remember ?
[12:57] <Xero> Shift+WinKey+Button1
[12:57] <Xero> Paint fire on the screen
[12:57] <lerolero> nah.
[12:57] <Xero> Shift+WinKey+C clears it.
[12:57] <lerolero> guess its the mouse.
[12:58] <lerolero> having so much fun with winkey+e
[12:58] <Xero> lol
[12:58] <Xero> Your stuff still wobbles if you try to move it from that view, too.
[12:58] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[12:58] <lerolero> :)
[12:59] <lerolero> i get to move windows around in that view
[12:59] <lerolero> so awesome.
[12:59] <Xero> Try WinKey+F3
[12:59] <Xero> In Beryl it made snow. Not sure if that works anymore.
[12:59] <lerolero> nope.
[12:59] <lerolero> :/
[12:59] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[01:00] <lerolero> compiz isn't working fully, but teh parts that are, are quite stable, i guess.
[01:03] <lerolero> write(3, "strace: exec: Exec format error\n", 32strace: exec: Exec format error
[01:03] <lerolero> ) = 32
[01:04] <lerolero> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2007-06-30 09:55 /usr/bin/compiz-tray-icon
[01:04] <lerolero> ha
[01:04] <zerwas> Really strange...Gutsy is working here without an existing xorg.conf. Can somebody explain which file it is using?
[01:05] <RAOF> zerwas: Autodetect?
[01:05] <lerolero> maybe /usr/share/displayconfig-gtk/xorg.conf.fallback ?
[01:05] <RAOF> X no longer *requires* an xorg.conf.  The next couple of versions should pretty much see xorg.conf wither to a shadow of its former self :)
[01:06] <zerwas> lerolero, ah thanks looks like thats it
[01:06] <zerwas> RAOF, thank you for this information! years of Linux with XF86Config and xorg.conf get to an end ..hopefully ;-)
[01:06] <kylem> win/win 28
[01:06] <Xero> RAOF, autodetect is evil. I have 3 video cards in this machine.
[01:07] <Xero> How does it know which one's plugged in?
[01:07] <lerolero> whichcraft
[01:07] <Xero> lerolero, what i'm saying is that it doesn't.
[01:07] <jeroenvrp2> please handle Bug #132053 as critical
[01:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132053 in firefox "Typing in text form in Firefox becomes very slow in Gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132053
[01:07] <Xero> It always says I have an intel. I have an nvidia. That's why I like my xorg.conf.
[01:08] <lerolero> maybe its the PCI order ?
[01:08] <savvas> um.. does anyone know what's lirc_gpio for? I see it in the restricted drivers manager
[01:09] <RAOF> Xero: By querying the hardware and discarding cards with no attached display device?
[01:09] <zerwas> savvas, infrared as far as i know
[01:09] <savvas> ok cheers
[01:10] <RAOF> Xero: Also, the config is intended to be farmed out to other things (such an a DBUS/HA
[01:10] <savvas> I'm testing tribe 5, just to see if everything's working as it is supposed to :P
[01:11] <RAOF> L interface, so that you can make changes/autodetect/etc easily in, say Gnome
[01:11] <Ahmuck> is the gutsy release schedule current?
[01:11] <Xero> I still say autodetect is evil until proven otherwise.
[01:11] <Ahmuck> autodetect hardware?
[01:12] <savvas> Ahmuck: why shouldn't it be?
[01:12] <Ahmuck> savvas: i see they cancelled tribe 6.  are they going straight to beta on the 27 ?
[01:12] <savvas> they cancelled it to work on the bugs :)
[01:12] <savvas> I think they will
[01:12] <zerwas> oops if i click on system -> Administration -> monitors and graphics and a dpkg-process is running i only get the message "You need administrative rights to change all screen settings". a new user don't know what to do now.
[01:13] <savvas> unless you see a notice on the 27th :P
[01:13] <magicrobotmonkey> hi
[01:13] <RAOF> Xero: Autodetect is fine as long as it's overrideable, which it is.
[01:14] <magicrobotmonkey> i was tring to try out the new screens and resolutions dialogue in gutsy and i totally screwed up my screen so the resoltions all wrong. It deteced it right out of the box. is there a way to reset it so it will detect it again?
[01:14] <savvas> zerwas: it doesn't say that another process is using it? hm.. that's a must have
[01:14] <zerwas> savvas, are you ironic? :o)
[01:15] <savvas> no, I'm serious, a new user will be putting some big question marks over their heads
[01:15] <zerwas> yep
[01:15] <zerwas> or: could you try out if i am right?
[01:15] <zerwas> it's an apt-build process i am running right now...
[01:16] <savvas> I just updated, I'm in the middle of distribution upgrade :\
[01:16] <zerwas> oh ok
[01:16] <savvas> It's gonna take an hour or so
[01:17] <savvas> actually..
[01:17] <savvas> I could try it while I'm doing this :] 
[01:18] <savvas> weird, apt programs work while a distro upgrade is in progress
[01:20] <j4ne> hi