=== Misosaki [n=chatzill@ip5-70.eyrkonaeac08.dialup.ca.telus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:35] Hi, might be easier to communicate this way rather than through the mailing list, since there's a lively discussion going [12:36] hi Misosaki [12:36] excellent email [12:36] Thanks, and thanks for responding so quickly [12:37] the biggest problem seems to be that we want the community to contribute but that the decision making process is not in the community's hands [12:37] I do admit that the way I did things turned out very poorly [12:37] Yeah ... the second problem being a lot of people didn't know that [12:37] although I must say it was better than when we tried to do it with edgy [12:37] well, very few people were interested up until the point that I put the wallpaper in [12:37] Well, that's why we can do better with the next release :) [12:38] and then everyone is pissed that I did it that way [12:38] I did send an email stating that this wallpaper would be defualt [12:38] Yeah, it's just that people were saying they didn't know when/how/who decided that [12:38] but again, that is no excuse - we need to make things better in the future [12:39] I was hesitant to say "Mark and others have the say on things" as he is my boss [12:39] That's why the Forum Ambassadors might be a good idea ... they field the bad PR lols [12:39] yes, very good idea [12:39] I hope that you can take part in the meeting [12:40] it will probably happen on Thursday, although that might change depending on several things [12:40] I will send an email to the list stating the time once we have consensus or nobody else responds [12:40] Thanks ... will try to be there ... I'm glad that you and the others have arranged the meeting, to sit down and talk it out [12:40] *glad => thanks lols [12:40] kwwii: how likely is it that sabdfl will choose a work other than yours for the default? [12:41] nothlit: it is not my work - not sure why everyone thinks that it is [12:41] Misosaki: oh, thanks for coming in [12:41] kwwii: your edit* [12:41] I have said that several times [12:41] sorry, i know jospeph took the source images, its just how i refer to it [12:41] Np, nothlit -- good points you've got there, figured I'd come in to make talking easier [12:41] nothlit: the only reason that I am using a pic that I tweaked is that the one that joseph submitted is 1024x768 [12:42] kwwii: how likely is it that a non-canonical invited/sponsored piece of artwork becomes the default wallpaper*? [12:42] nothlit: if Mark and others like it, it is very likely [12:42] Well, maybe if it's made clearer what sabdfl wants lols? [12:42] because if its probable, i'll put in those monochromatic tips etc [12:42] the problem with that is that he wants pretty much exactly what we had in the pics i posted at top [12:43] but that is only for gutsy [12:43] Misosaki: i didn't at first because otherwise it just restricts everybody to producing the same abstract shapes and swishes [12:43] we will change things around for hardy [12:43] he sent me an email today saying that he wants to go black and orange for hardy [12:43] It's often hard to work to very specific rules, since some argue that it stifles creativity, but it's also hard to go on little, because then it takes longer trying to feel out what is being asked [12:43] I think that it is very hard to recreate a work of art but yet somehow make it different [12:44] kwwii: forward me any of the guidelines and i'll transcribe them to the wiki [12:44] nothlit: lol, until now i was told to make it black and orange like the stuff I did for ubuntu mobile [12:44] nothing more, nothing less [12:44] nothlit: Well, heard about the monochromatism from troy, but it wasn't stated in the wiki for the reasons kwwii just clarified [12:44] But it should [12:44] Misosaki: afaik, what sabdfl wants is something boring, that won't offend anybody [12:45] he is not very good at communicating what he wants but yet he knows exactly what he wants [12:45] It'd make things easier, even if it sounds draconian [12:45] and that isn't bright or high in contrast [12:45] and isn't definite in representation of anything [12:45] placing those guidelines down [12:45] that pretty much sums it up [12:45] would just lead to the same criticisms laid on kwwii and joesph's collaboration on everybody's work [12:45] At the end, it won't be so bad ... but the guidelines, not mere suggestions, have to be there [12:45] I was trying to allow enough room to play so that people could still be creative [12:45] Misosaki: yes, you are right [12:46] for feisty it was totally closed and nobody complained even though in my eyes the pic I made was crap [12:46] lols Well, maybe people were too creative [12:47] yeah [12:47] Some people though the orange palette was a "suggestion" ... so there were some greys, blues and other colours [12:47] *orange -> the swatch [12:47] yeah, apparently so [12:48] Not that there's anything wrong with other colours ... but if specific colours are required, then it should be stated as a req, not a suggestion [12:48] it is a suggestion [12:48] that is a derived guessing of colours basically [12:48] and it wouldn't make sense to tonally match dapper exactly anyways [12:49] I should have been much clearer in the exact points of what had to be - that much is clear to me now [12:49] kwwii: Yeah, it's hard to be creative with essentially "the same thing", but it might be done [12:49] I doubt we would have had many submissions, but it would have at least avoided this situation [12:50] so do we encourage people to follow the guidelines of utter dullness for a chance to be selected or ask them to be creative? [12:50] the thing that upsets me the most is that most of the people on the forum did nothing in this whole process, most are not even on the mailing list or read the wiki but yet now, after the fact they want to complain [12:50] Well, seeing as "creativity" isn't encouraged lol [12:50] Misosaki: I was reading your mail. Very clever and straight to the point. Thanks for taking the time to say it clear. [12:51] Not at all, just throwing a few suggestions out there for what they're worth ... a lot of it came from the discussion with troy yesterday [12:51] Agreed with him on a number of things ... so it was a matter of trying to phrase them to make sense and offend as few people as possible in the process [12:52] troy would be a lot more help if we would stop being so negative about everything :p [12:52] And kwwii: I've always thought you should be stricter with the thing... :-) (I'd prefer that) === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:52] damianvila: i promise that I will be a bastard in the future :D [12:52] nothlit: Thanks for the releaseschedule link -- something like that should be smack in the middle of the wiki [12:52] Hi mma [12:53] Misosaki: yeah, but theres nothing wrong with having a whole bunch of fantastic wallpapers for an alternate selection or in the community package [12:53] Don't fear of putting limits, if that takes you to where you need to go... [12:53] one thing to know about the release schedule is that I made that up and did so purposely with extra time for things like this [12:53] the artwork part of the schedule, I mean [12:53] I would prefer that to a whole pack of the same thing and stifling the ubuntu artwork community [12:53] Any as to why the wallpaper reverted? [12:54] *Any clue [12:54] I'll give them a choice I suppose, a sabdfl wants page [12:54] it was not reverted [12:54] I have no idea why people think that is was [12:54] kwwii: so Hardy is Halloween colours? [12:54] nothlit: Nothing wrong at all ... choice is cool. But people are particularly anxious about the default for various obvious reasons [12:54] nothlit: happy halloween! [12:54] kwwii: so to say (I'm a designer :-) lol) [12:54] ;-) [12:55] What happened, a problem with Launchpad? [12:55] damianvila: here is a secret...at first I was scared that your stuff was pics stolen from somewhere - they seemed to be too good to be real :p [12:55] Just out of curiosity, kwwii, did sabdfl explain why he chose the design? [12:55] :-P [12:55] Other than what we already know [12:55] Misosaki: nope, he just said that that was his favorite (and two other people said the same) [12:56] Misosaki: the second favorite was fire and water from my [12:56] myself [12:56] mark and others thought that the animal stuff was amazing but not suitable for default as it is too realistic [12:56] Any chance we could get a statement from him or the two other people as to why and what he wants to see next? [12:57] I doubt that he wants to be quoted on any of this (and him being my boss I am not going to press the issue) [12:57] I think that he likes having me as a scape goat :p [12:57] No, not quoted necessarily ... just to give the designers more clues to work with [12:57] again, he is not an artist and not very good at communicating his ideas [12:58] for the next cycle I will post some info that he sent me when I made the mobile designs and a decent palette [12:58] lol, that should make people laugh [12:58] Did he send you any sites or sample themes? Other than the two wallpapers in the wiki [12:58] he got his secretary to send me a copy of a pic from an ad in a magazine...she said "this is what mark wants" [12:59] Can we please see it? [12:59] this is the stuff for the mobile theme, for the next cycle but sure, let me find it [12:59] That would be funny [12:59] for gutsy he just said I want what we had in warty and breezy [12:59] Someone will have to find a way to express that in written form [01:00] imagine getting a letter in the mail (the real mail) with a copy of a magazine article [01:00] lol [01:00] kwwii: And thanks [01:00] lol [01:01] sabdfl is not the kind of boss (or client) I like... :-P [01:02] kwwii: is this ok? This is a set of guidelines if you wish to be eligible as the default selection. However, I would encourage you to be more creative with your decisions and leave the defaults with those tasked with the job. === Misosaki glances at the userlist and hopes none of them is the boss in disguise ;) [01:04] here is the pic I was sent: http://sinecera.de/img-6251007-0001.pdf [01:04] Misosaki: you do not know how often i wonder the same thing [01:04] lol [01:05] this job is somewhat new to me and I seem to be doing it all alone without any real guidelines [01:05] other than "do it right" [01:05] lol [01:05] and in addition I also do kubuntu, ubuntu mobile, etc [01:05] Misosaki: sabdfl comes in as 'sabdfl' [01:05] At least it isn't "it has to just work" [01:05] funny, I do kubuntu all alone and nobody complains [01:06] Maybe because this version is the "flagship" version so to speak? [01:06] i actually quite liked edgy kubuntu [01:06] Misosaki: yepp, that is how I see it === volanin [n=volanin@189.12.100.135] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:07] kubuntu is an addition just like xubuntu [01:07] and this being so important puts more stress on me [01:07] not the representative product [01:07] Interesting [01:07] @the ad [01:07] yet I have almost nobody to really discuss things with [01:07] <_MMA_> Hi Guys. Mind if I go a little off topic? [01:07] Sure, mma [01:08] <_MMA_> Im Cory. Lead on the Ubuntu Studio project. [01:08] <_MMA_> I want to get the word about Ubuntu Studio-Hardy's art being opened to the community. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming I'll be posting to the art ML soon. Help to further clarify the current ideas on the WIKI are welcome. I will also try to hang in here more over the Hardy development cycle ans all are welcome in #ubuntustudio. [01:08] _MMA_: btw wedderburns concept on deviantart is nice, besides the login execution [01:08] <_MMA_> Hi nothlit. ;) [01:08] Misosaki: here is a pic which shows what i did on the mobile stuff in reaction to that pic. http://sinecera.de/apps_0.3.png [01:08] _MMA_: heyas lol [01:09] And obviously he liked the mobile work? [01:09] _MMA_: I can tell you right now that you should define exactly what you want in advance, trust me on this one [01:09] Misosaki: yepp, that turned out very well [01:09] kwwii: can i attach them as examples? [01:09] kwwii: Good, congrats ... at least there's a bit more to work with [01:10] nothlit: wait a bit until we have a decent plan for everything...putting stuff out now would only confuse people [01:10] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. Ive watched the drama unfold. ;) [01:11] nothlit: we can start posting stuff after the meeting [01:11] Looks like sabdfl likes something similar to some Sony/ericsson image [01:11] _MMA_: needless to say, we are slowly figuring out how to improve the process...there is a meeting in the makings sometime soon, perhaps you would like to join in? [01:12] <_MMA_> nothlit: Well Andrew's stuff we werent too happy with so we did this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2007-September/000559.html Then this is the final word and explanation for Gutsys art. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2007-September/000588.html [01:12] So far then: black/orange, generic yet vaguely meaningful by being stylish? === the_dingle [n=jack@71.141.138.62] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Sure. Ill make some reminders to habg in here more so Im more aware. I am also on the art ML. [01:13] <_MMA_> s/hanb/hang [01:13] Hi dingle [01:13] Hi Misosaki [01:14] _MMA_: Are you looking for more artwork or...? [01:14] _MMA_: I like your idea. I did something in that line (punkish) some years ago for an indie record... :-) [01:14] <_MMA_> Misosaki: Not for Gutsy no. [01:14] _MMA_: the talk about the meeting is on the ML, check it out and let me know if you have a preference with the time [01:14] For Hardy? [01:15] <_MMA_> Misosaki: Yes. [01:15] it seems like either thursday 20:00UTC or next week [01:15] _MMA_: you should post your invite to the mailing list [01:15] _MMA_: Ah, okay. [01:15] <_MMA_> damianvila: Thats my background mostly. Indie rock/punk/metal. I did like sound for years. [01:16] <_MMA_> gah [01:16] <_MMA_> s/like/live [01:16] <_MMA_> nothlit: I will me. Im writing it up tonight. [01:16] kwii: Has the gutsy-artwork 0.14 package been fixed? [01:16] currently, nothing gets installed as the source package contains ,jpgs, and the package only installs .pngs. [01:16] _MMA_: the lights stuff is nice - good pic [01:16] pick [01:17] the_dingle: until now i am not sure what the problem is [01:17] <_MMA_> kwwii: Thanx. For something rushed. :) [01:17] I gave it to a fellow canonican for review, I assumed it would work [01:17] I might as well just post the pic I touched up...one second [01:17] I took a look at the source package, and that seems to be the problem [01:17] I'll give it a test and see [01:18] http://sinecera.de/warty-final-ubuntu.jpg [01:18] the_dingle: that is what happens when you expect an artist to do everything [01:19] i should know how to a) do artwork, b) work with people, c) lead a community and d) do my own packaging [01:19] oh, and e) communicate this all per irc, email, wiki and forum === _MMA_ feels kwwii's pain. :) [01:20] lols [01:21] Not artist, artistic director ... promotion ;) [01:21] I'm not blaming you, kwii, I just know how to fix this and wanted to help [01:22] Although doubling as PR manager isn't very fun [01:23] lol, no doubt [01:23] The package worked: in setup.py, change ".png" on line 18 to ".jpg" [01:23] and all of that for several projects [01:23] the_dingle: yeah, the pic changed from png to jpg [01:24] i did change that [01:24] erm, ouch....I changed that in the xml file not in the py file [01:24] shit [01:24] well, now we know why it did not work! [01:24] Just missed a reference, is all [01:25] yeah [01:25] <_MMA_> lol. I just missed the same thing in my last update. :) [01:25] I'll fix it tomorrow when people are awake again [01:25] Thanks, kwii [01:25] later [01:25] the_dingle: dude, thanks to you [01:26] I thought that I gave the package up for review so that someone could actually check it === swj [n=steven@c-71-226-69-25.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:27] Hi swj [01:27] hi [01:27] if it were up to me this would be the new wallpaper: http://sinecera.de/rainbow.jpg [01:27] it has every color except brown :p [01:28] just wondering, after the update today, I no longer have a default gusty wallpaper...I only the lion-clear which I added myself...is this correct? [01:28] i.e., gusty update [01:28] swj: I borked a python file [01:28] my fault [01:28] kwwii: Did he say anything else about theme set or the icons? [01:28] http://sinecera.de/warty-final-ubuntu.jpg is the updated file [01:28] Misosaki: nope, I plan to change pretty much everything though [01:29] top down [01:29] Misosaki: the icons won't change from the Human set he commisioned iconfactory for, afaik [01:29] nothlit: they will change, if I can help it [01:29] kwwii: who wrote the ubuntulooks engine? [01:29] Kwwii oohh I see..thanks for answering (I am sure for 20K time) ;) [01:29] sorry [01:29] a couple of (very young) kids he paid to show up at a meeting [01:29] lol [01:30] Kwwii are the head of ubuntu art? [01:30] are you [01:30] swj: sure, I am getting rich doing this - I'll probably retire after hardy :p [01:31] swj: well, I am the only paid employee (working on ubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu mobile and some edubuntu) [01:32] kwwii: why is that image so posterized? (warty-final-ubuntu.jpg) [01:32] if everyone knew what I earned after taxes they would stop giving me so much shit :D [01:32] kwwii: Any drafts for the icons or other components other than the wallpaper yet for Hardy? [01:32] I remember mark shuttleworth writing something a long time ago (not sure where it is now) that the current color scheme is subject to change...I wonder if this is still true? [01:32] Misosaki: btw, i have tried to get a community effort going before, I included aim, themes, keywords, feel, mock palletes and concept art-- it fell flat on its bum [01:32] damianvila: the original is like that, trying to figure out how to fix it actually [01:33] kwwii: oh! [01:33] Misosaki: nope, but we will need to make that to convince you know who [01:33] damianvila: it is like 3000 pixels wide so it should not be a real problem [01:33] nothlit: Bummer. How come? No interest? [01:33] I was forced to reduce the file size to 150KB today [01:33] Misosaki: oh and polling of ubuntu denizens [01:34] due to CD limits [01:34] Misosaki: probably, and it was most likely a little too ambitious in scope, people weren't ready for conceptually based art [01:34] kwwii: Ah, okay. But something along the lines of mobile? [01:34] Misosaki: yepp [01:35] <_MMA_> nothlit: That's my worry as well. :( [01:35] kwwii: that must be it. It has artifact too due to heavy compression... :-P [01:35] Oh I found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth?highlight=%28mark%29%7C%28shuttleworth%29 --Will brown always be the default desktop colour?-- [01:35] Misosaki: https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme/Collaboration+Progress?highlight=%28CommunityTheme%29 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/CommunityTheme --the keywords were chosen from a selection, by vote on launchpad [01:35] Misosaki: the thing is that all of my mockups for mobile use the oxygen icons set (which I started for kde4) [01:35] nothlit: Pity, because the concepts would've brought something possibly outstanding to the efforts [01:36] Misosaki: so I guess that using that icon set is not possible for ubuntu as the gnome fans would kill me [01:36] lol [01:36] guess I didn't mention that I am also kde art maintainter [01:36] s/maintainter/maintainer [01:36] So you'll need a fresh set of everything? [01:37] kwwii: i would ^ [01:37] Misosaki: my idea was to tweak certain parts of the tango set [01:37] I wonder what the current human icons would look like more tan or light brown in color... [01:38] swj: feel free to tweak them, they're svg [01:38] nothlit: I think that the biggest problem with those pics you made is that it changes the logo which is a branding no-no [01:38] kwwii: Tango would probably work okay with black/orange === Misosaki nods [01:38] kwwii: oh lol, no worries, that was just me being bored anyways [01:38] Misosaki: yeah, I thought the same thing...in order to convince those in charge I will need a decent mockup [01:39] so that will be part of the meeting as well [01:39] kwwii: i'll do something more normal next time [01:39] lol [01:39] kwwii: although i had hoped to do a flat piece of worked clay with the ubuntu logo drawn out with fingers [01:40] nothlit I really dont anything about art, so I leave it to the experts... [01:40] swj: tweaking colour palettes is quite easy, you should try it [01:40] nothlit: see...exactly that is why I do not want to tell people exactly what to do in advance...I like the idea you mention but I cannot say that after you put a lot of work into it that it will be accepted [01:40] nothlit do you know of a good tutorial that would show me? [01:40] swj: install inkscape from the repos, and the icons are located in /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable [01:40] swj: lemme see [01:40] and if you put a lot of work into it I have to tell you "nope, no way" you will hate me [01:41] swj: inkscape has built in tutorials as well [01:41] I'll check it out [01:41] thanks [01:41] the problem with human is that not all of the icons are available as svg [01:41] and it does not fit with tango [01:41] kwwii: yeah, thats why i've only done experiments [01:41] in the meantime I would rather use tango as a base [01:41] nothlit: Got quite a bit of work in those links -- but since we've started clarifying what is being sought, we might not need to do as much brainstorming :) [01:42] (did I mention that I was also one of the people who started that too) [01:42] but I had my fingers in too many pots [01:43] swj: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines theres a video there of someone creating a tango icon in inkscape [01:43] I really liked the warty brown (a lot!) so I am thinking meta changed back to warty, light brown human icons, and simple branded plain no too dark, not too light brown wallpaper...to me that would look like ubuntu [01:44] almost 2am here...time for sleep...see you all soon I hope [01:44] <_MMA_> Night sir. [01:44] Laters kwwii [01:44] Misosaki: thanks again for the excellent post - I hope that we can realize your ideas [01:44] ttyl [01:45] ttyl? [01:45] kwwii: Thanks for taking the time to chat [01:45] ta-ta you later? [01:45] thats a nice brown too "human gtk" http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ubuntu-chocolate?content=66733 [01:45] Misosaki: any time, I am almost always on irc [01:46] kwwii: Sure thing then, we probably won't see the last of each other then lol [01:46] nothlit thanks [01:46] kwwii: talk to you later [01:46] nothlit: ahhh, nigi (now I get it) [01:46] :p [01:46] LOL [01:46] I am too old for the internet [01:47] lols [01:47] HAGNS [01:47] lol [01:49] So I guess I missed it...did kwwii say what the final wallpaper would be? [01:50] brownfluid [01:50] but lightened and noisefree, with elephant as secondary [01:50] the smaller resolution animal wallpapers are nicer imo though [01:51] Misosaki: Have A Good Nights Sleep [01:51] ? [01:51] well I guess that want be so bad...that def addresses the problems I had with it [01:51] What was that about being too old? ;) [01:51] :-) [01:51] I was guessing [01:52] Heheh [01:52] swj: I think that if I can solve those two problems that it solves most of the problems in most of the peoples' eyes [01:53] kwwii hopefully so [01:53] but for now I need sleep [01:54] cya later [02:00] nothlit: Tiny thing with Hardy wiki, but ... it says Ubuntu uses primarily brown and orange, but black/orange seems to be confirmed, so will it be changed or should we wait until at least Thursday? [02:02] Misosaki: this is the tentative thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/SABDFLWants [02:02] Misosaki: well those are general guidelines [02:02] and i've now included an additional set of guidelines for those wishing to be eligible as a default [02:02] but its going to be hidden until after the meeting [02:03] Yeah [02:06] Okay ... would be nice to see more info up after the meeting, e.g. things like using a modified Tango set [02:06] The more clues sometimes, the less misunderstanding [02:07] people are interested in icons? [02:07] i don't have much to say on that, you'll have to talk to lapo [02:07] Hard enough as is to make things consistent across the board [02:08] Not sure, didn't kwwii just said he'd likely be tweaking the Tango set? [02:09] nothlit: please wait until we have the meeting and discussion to post anything [02:09] But the wallpaper, for e.g., doesn't exist alone in the desktop, obviously ... there are icons on it, menubars around it [02:10] please, let's not rush this without nowing exactly what we are doing this time around [02:10] kwwii: the link is commented out on the main hardy page, and theres a tentative layout warning on the sabdfl wants page [02:10] So the choice of icons set, for instance, might have an impact on other things [02:10] kwwii: Okay [02:10] nothlit: but posting anything that I said without it coming from me is only second hand information [02:10] kwwii: unless you want me to delete the wiki pages until afterwards? [02:11] please, do delete it for now [02:11] brb [02:11] kwwii: ok sure, sorry for the inconvenience [02:11] I promise we can create those pages later, after we know exactly how to go about this [02:11] That's a promise :) [02:11] <_MMA_> kwwii: Will you be in Boston? [02:11] the first thing we need to do is to create something to convince him of what our vision is [02:12] _MMA_: yes, you? [02:12] <_MMA_> Cool. I look forward to talking there. [02:12] <_MMA_> Yes. Not a nice short 2hr flight this time. ;) [02:12] Misosaki: would you have time to head down to boston at the end of october? [02:13] Sorry, no go, kwwii [02:13] oh well, I had to try [02:13] lols Could probably do video conferencing with all of us [02:13] Why? [02:13] Misosaki: yeah, that was my second option [02:14] we are having the UDS ... at that we could create a plan for the next release [02:14] Cool [02:15] we would pay for the trip, hotel and food costs, of course [02:15] by that time we would have a basic plan and we could work out the finer points [02:17] <_MMA_> kwwii: Sorry if its been mentioned but is there an existing spec for this? Or is that part of what nothlit was working on? [02:19] <_MMA_> kwwii: Also, are you a guy like me who has to get up at the same time as the kids no matter what time you go to bed? :) === yharrow [n=sysadmin@unaffiliated/yharrow] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:20] _MMA_: this is part of what nothlit and the rest of the community are woking on for the next release, yes [02:21] _MMA_: yes, my son (9 years old) gets up to go to high school at 6:30 and I have to take him to the bus === kwwii is 36 (omg!) [02:22] so I have to get up in 4 hours === _MMA_ is 31. [02:22] well, 4 hours and 8 minutes [02:22] <_MMA_> :) [02:23] <_MMA_> I have 2. 3 (boy) 5 (girl) [02:23] which means I *really+ have to get some sleep [02:23] highschool? are you from the US? [02:23] <_MMA_> Night sir. [02:23] yes, I am from the US but I live in germany [02:24] my son started school early (after testing, etc.) [02:24] so thats why you called in highschool...I'm from the US, but I though highschool was a US thing..maybe my ignorance [02:24] I've never been out of the country [02:24] yepp, highschool is an american thing [02:24] form1? [02:24] makes sense now [02:24] here is it called Gymnasium [02:24] interesting [02:25] yes...I agree..interesting [02:25] nothlit: where do you live? [02:25] Hong Kong [02:25] i'm canadian [02:25] perhaps you and lassegul would be interested in coming? [02:25] *blinks* maybe [02:26] i thought you would have invited troy/damian [02:26] Hong Kong...I saw on 1 against 100 the other than britain owned Hong Kong not long ago...that was very interesting [02:26] 1 against 100 is a game show [02:26] troy has attended one...if he would not be so negative I would invite him again [02:26] <_MMA_> lol [02:27] <_MMA_> Troy's alright. Just passionate. :) [02:27] damian is a great artist, not sure how much he would be interested in working on the process though - perhaps he would be the right person [02:27] _MMA_: yes, and he knows what he is talking about to an extent (I think he lacks a bit of experience in this sector) [02:28] but if he is alway so negative I find it hard to invite him [02:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: He helps us out somewhat as well. [02:28] <_MMA_> (us=Ubuntu Studio) [02:28] OSS distro design is not like 100% like artwork [02:28] <_MMA_> Get some sleep! :) [02:29] there are important differences and being positive about changing things is imporatant [02:29] important [02:29] anyway [02:29] really time for sleep [02:29] nothlit, lassegul: lets talk tomorrow about the UDS [02:29] and for now, sleep [02:29] I thought of something...someone mentioned something about black/orange theme...if that was released in October...in the US it would look like halloween... === melare1 [n=melaren@75-92-35-101.boi.clearwire-dns.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:30] swj: no doubt! but this is for the next release, not gutsy [02:30] <_MMA_> kwwii: Get some sleep. Tomorrow if you're around Id like to talk about Ubuntu Studio's possible UI change. (panel layouts really) [02:30] so not worries [02:30] good timing [02:30] ;) [02:30] and it is not totally orange and black in that sense [02:30] _MMA_: love to === buttercups [n=me@adsl-70-224-68-177.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === volanin [n=volanin@189.12.100.135] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:50] Hi 23meg [02:51] <`23meg> hello [02:51] Thanks for the suggestion re Forum Ambassadors [02:51] <`23meg> good to know you like it [02:51] <`23meg> I briefly read your mails; will read in more detail tomorrow [02:52] nods -- good to at least have the ideas out there for the next release [02:54] <`23meg> right [03:08] Ok, so I've been following the artwork discussion for a while (regarding the much disputed wallpaper)... [03:09] I understand the argument that the people on the forums (and members of the Digg community) may not be representative of the whole. ...or at least they may not be Ubuntu's target market. [03:09] However I also think that it is very important that we do not upset these people. ...many of these are very loyal Ubuntu followers. [03:09] Anyway, I guess the question is, who is our target market? Are we working to get any feedback\input from them? [03:09]