[04:50] <gp5st> hello
[04:50] <gp5st> quick question
[04:50] <gp5st> im not sure how to get applets to work here in ubuntu
[04:50] <gp5st> i have sun java  6 installed
[04:50] <gp5st> via apt-get
[08:03] <neshaug> :)
[08:05] <man-di> hi
[09:22] <neshaug> Hi man-di.
[09:23] <neshaug> nice to see some people in here.
[09:26] <man-di> I'm always here
[09:26] <man-di> just not always speaking
[10:41] <doko> tmarble: could I have your opinion on an updated sun-java5 package for dapper?
[10:41] <doko> there are certainly some security issues, but "normal" updates as well.
[10:42] <doko> - -security doesn't sound like an option, because there are other fixes as well
[10:43] <doko> - -backports would be ok, but maybe isn't picked up by many people
[10:44] <tmarble> how do you handle this for LTS, generally?  dapper-backports? or dapper-updates?
[10:45] <doko> - -proposed and -updates is for bug fixes, but no new features. that does sound ok for important bug fixes, but I'm unsure if the updates include new features (or drop features like sin-java6-db)
[10:46] <doko> dapper-updates usually only sees bug fixes, no new featuries, or upstream versions, which is difficult with a binary-only package
[10:46] <tmarble> -db will be back in 6u3 btw
[10:47] <tmarble> i'm sorry but our update releases are the vehicle for security updates (and it is likely they will also get feature updates)
[10:51] <doko> good news about -db =)
[10:59] <tmarble> doko: so i think the issue is more one for Ubuntu policy around LTS
[10:59] <doko> tmarble: we don't seem to have a policy for mutiverse LTS yet ...
[11:19] <doko> tmarble: sent email
[11:22] <tmarble> doko: ok
[11:50] <Webbmaster> hi