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[03:23] bddebian: And are there any Ubuntu changes? [03:24] StevenK: wammu was brought in but needs python-gammu >= 0.21 and we currently have 0.20 [03:24] No, no changes, straight sync [03:25] Though I haven't test built it yet [03:25] bddebian: Test build and install it, and I'll talk to pitti about it. [03:25] OK === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:31] Fruck, it needs libgammu-dev >= 1.12.. 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[05:18] Anyway, today's alternate CD very nearly works :) [05:18] RAOF: What of it doesn't work? [05:18] LVM-on-crypt [05:19] pitti's bug is not restricted to auto-partition :) [05:19] Ah, well, I'm using yesterday's... it's not particularly difficult to stick break=mount at the end. [05:20] RAOF: does gutsy support encrypted partitions from the installer? [05:20] Yes. [05:20] yay [05:20] I wonder why the spec for that didn't show any activity or status. [05:20] This laptop is running such a setup right now. [05:21] I guess it wasn't necessary since upstream d-i had it? === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pfein is now known as pfein-away [05:24] tonyyarusso: It still required promotion of stuff from universe to main and other fun things [05:24] StevenK: hmm, odd then === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.246.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] ScottK: any work on desmume uve? [05:28] err [05:28] word [05:28] freudian slip [05:29] Anything in the bug? [05:32] is it waiting on siertart? [05:35] From my perspective yes, but there are other motu-uvf that might feel differently. [05:35] He was on earlier and I mentioned your interest. [05:35] I saw that. He also said he was unqualified to answer =/ [05:36] I'm inclined not to approve it then. It's a big jump to make this late. Others may feel differntly. [05:36] fair enough [05:37] what exactly is the worry though? [05:37] neither version is close to perfect [05:38] It's a big version jump late in the game, so I worry about bugs causing regression from what Feisty had. [05:39] the activity in the bug tracker is near empty, likely because nobody expects this to work. [05:39] what feisty has barely works. what's in my ppa barely works better -- its sort of the start of emulators [05:40] OK. [05:40] That's good to know. [05:40] Please put that in the bug and then let me know. [05:40] that it works better, or that console emulators are often buggy? [05:41] That it works better, but is still an early release that's not expected to be fully functional either, so regression shouldn't be a big worry. [05:41] That sort of thing. [05:42] i see [05:51] Gnight folks [05:51] Night bddebian [05:52] is popcon reliable at all? [05:54] Not as far as I've heard. [05:55] in what way is it unreliable? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] actually, the changelog in the debian package has siretart mentioned as recently as september 4th [06:02] It's voluntary, and not installed/enabled by default, so it's by no means representative. [06:02] so its working as intended [06:02] but people often use the results in unintended ways [06:03] So we are talking about the reliability of the software instead of the data gathered? [06:05] well, ive heard people tell me its _broken_ [06:08] i agree the data collected currently would be biased [06:12] It won't surprise me if the package in ubuntu is broken. [06:12] At least the website, popcon.ubuntu.com, is still half broken. [06:13] orly? [06:14] It surprises me that ubuntu's popcon site claims more than three times larger installation base than debian's, though. [06:14] pwnguin: Yeah, click the README and FAQ link, for example. [06:14] cute [06:14] well, i recall one release asking people if they wanted to participate in popcon [06:14] i dont think debian does that === jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] Debian does since etch. [06:16] i havent installed debian since woody [06:16] =/ [06:16] longest stable evar === giskard_ [n=giskard@85-18-14-41.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-059eaa7758877b97] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] near the end people started making debian shirts that said "good things come to those who wait" -- I'll never know as i tried out ubuntu and never looked back about six months before sarge released === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.105.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] pwnguin: Interesting story. I think I started using Ubuntu roughly the same time as you did, but my main distro is Debian now. [06:28] it was wierd, seeing xorg and gnome move quickly [06:30] pwnguin: did you run stable releases or dev? [06:30] heh [06:30] i ran stable for a couple months [06:30] then my friend enlightened me [06:31] hellish upgrade though [06:31] 1.4 -> 2.0 i think [06:31] still, even unstable ran behind === pfein_ [n=pfein@200.sub-70-194-206.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] also, it's pretty nice to be able to run a relatively modern desktop without worrying who screwed up an upload to unstable === giskard__ [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@44.145.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] now i run gutsy voluntarily, so it couldnt have been all that bad ;) [06:41] Where is KDE's Prefered Applications settings done? [06:41] I'm sick of Thunderbird opening Konquerer when I click on a link, when I have a perfectly good Firefox running. [06:42] Why would thunderbird observe KDE's preferred applications setting? [06:42] I would expect thunderbird can set that by itself. [06:43] I just thought that. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] Oh. There's a trap for the incautious (ie: me). The rsync command I used to backup my $HOME didn't include any hidden directories. Arse. [06:50] RAOF: heh [06:51] IE: The ones that start with '.'? :-) === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] RAOF: what kind of rsync command didn't? [06:55] rsync -avx --progress ~/. /destination/. is what I always use [06:58] jdong: rsync -avxP * destination:Backup/ [06:58] oh. [06:58] the * does you in. [06:58] doesn't match dotfiles [06:58] you should've used . instead [06:58] that would've recursively did everything :( [06:58] Indeed. [06:58] sorry you had to suffer through that [06:59] Eh, not much of a biggie. [06:59] Where's mr telepathy? Is he aware that telepathy-butterfly just doesn't work? [06:59] hrm, i think i messed up my finger [07:00] It's no longer scanning correctly? [07:00] it was stiff so i popped it, now it's all tingly [07:00] makes it weird to type [07:00] That's not a good prize. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] Wow. I seem to be getting a few timeout errors today with LP. [07:17] me too. [07:17] TheMuso, on edge? [07:17] or production [07:17] superm1: Edge, I am a beta tester. [07:17] okay me too. [07:17] perhaps just a lot of beta users right now then :) === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.241.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@ns1.clipsalportal.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-105.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pfein__ [n=pfein@200.sub-70-194-206.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pfein__ is now known as pfein-away === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@132.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wintermu1e [n=crass@cpe-70-124-48-211.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] can anyone offer some help as to how I would go about submitting a patch to the right people for the network-manager-vpnc package? [07:55] hi wintermu1e file a bug against the source package [07:55] and attach the patch to it [07:56] do I need an account to file a bug? [07:56] yeah [07:56] its a pretty quick and painless process to do though === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-f0e743a310959f4b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] where would the svn/cvs be for network-manager-vpnc? [08:15] http://svn.gnome.org/svn/NetworkManager/branches/NETWORKMANAGER_0_6_0_RELEASE/vpn-daemons/vpnc [08:15] according to debian/copyright, that is where its obtained from [08:15] oh nice, didn't think it would be in the copright [08:16] debian/copyright is really debian/metadata [08:16] soren is the main person to talk about network-manager-vpnc i would gander though if you want someone experienced with its packaging to look over your patch [08:17] well, actually I haven't written the patch yet. I wanted to see if its already been fixed in svn first and find out who to talk to [08:18] oh okay === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] well if its fixed in svn, file a bug still and note that its fixed in svn [08:18] and one of us motu folk will be glad to pull the patch in [08:18] but do make sure you look at the main branch [08:18] and not the release tag we pulled for the current version [08:19] yeah, that is just the branch we pulled from [08:19] hi asisak [08:19] "hmm, they havent done a damn thing in six months!" [08:19] Good morning [08:19] not sure what you mean by "the branch we pulled from" === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:20] hi asisak [08:20] svn is often used to keep "branches" of code [08:20] Hey superm1 === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-207-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:20] you branch the current development tree, and call it like version 0.6.0 [08:21] thats what the current version probably used [08:21] yeah, usually svn calls those tags [08:21] ah yea [08:21] well i noticed branches in the url [08:21] ahh, right [08:23] the version I have installed on my local system is 0.6.4svn2422-0ubuntu [08:23] well if you're interested in finding patches, you should probably look for their main development branch / tags [08:23] hmm, so you're saying that ubuntu uses a branch of the 6_0_0 branch in gnome svn [08:26] thats what id surmise from the url superm1 dropped [08:27] well unless the person updating the package didn't update debian/copyright [08:27] which is very possible [08:29] reading the Changelog shipped with it, i see a Bump version to 0.6.4 === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] so it probably following the 6_4_0 tag instead in gnome svn [08:29] and debian/copyright just needs to be updated [08:31] hmm, yeah, so if its fixed in the head of gnome svn what are the chances of it getting into ubuntu? [08:31] depends on the severity of the bug, the size and quality of the patch, [08:31] if its a fairly uninvasive patch, its still possible === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74831.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] yeah and what pwnguin said :) [08:32] mornin dholbach [08:32] good morning [08:32] hey superm1! [08:33] and whether its in main or universe [08:33] it is in universe [08:34] how are y'all doing? === amachu_ [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] i'm a wee bit tired, but still trying to work on coursework for tomorrow, so sleep can wait :) [08:36] Good morning dholbach [08:36] hey ScottK [08:37] superm1: good luck with that :) [08:37] dholbach: I hope you considered my reply to your Wiki reorg mail yesterday constructive. [08:39] ScottK: yes, I do - thanks a lot for that; I'll reply to it later [08:39] No rush. With any luck I'm going to be soon. [08:39] Hey ScottK === ant30 [n=aperezar@38.Red-80-36-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] ScottK: Would you mind replying to the UVFe for that emulator? [08:40] ScottK: you're going to be soon? [08:40] ScottK: The "What do I do now" mail. [08:40] did i do it wrong? [08:41] pwnguin: What was the bug # again? [08:42] dholbach: I had some SSL certificates expire yesterday and the various CA cert signing options I currently beating me badly. When I bend them to my will, I get to sleep. [08:42] bug #144389 [08:42] Launchpad bug 144389 in desmume "Upstream version 0.7.3 available" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144389 === ScottK looks [08:42] ScottK: ah ok... good luck with that then [08:43] openssl is a pain in the bum. [08:44] pwnguin: Did you see my question in the bug? [08:45] I hadn't yet [08:46] I assume it does [08:46] Why? [08:46] i didnt touch rules [08:46] just brought straight from debian [08:46] What did you touch? [08:46] changelog and control [08:46] specifically Maintianters and Section [08:46] OK. [08:47] Looks like it's a straight sync. [08:48] was there a script i could have used to do that? === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] If you knew it was a sync, you could have used requestsync -s to ask for it and have all the needed info. You'd have still needed to add the UVFe stuff manually. dholbach has a ppaput script that I think might have simplified it for you. These are in the ubuntu-dev-tools package. === pfein_ [n=pfein@200.sub-70-194-206.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] wintermu1e: What's the patch (for n-m-vpnc)? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] soren: well, I was checking to see if the issue was fixed in gnome, cvs but it doesn't look like it has === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] there's actually a couple issues I'm dealing with here, and it looks like I'll have to write my own patch === pfein__ [n=pfein@200.sub-70-194-206.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pfein__ is now known as pfein-away [09:06] but I'm getting an odd log message which is making me think I don't have the write source [09:07] wintermu1e: Alright. I used to be fairly familiar with the code, so just ask if you need any pointers. [09:11] soren: perhaps you've seen in deamon.log the log message "NetworkManager: file nm-vpn-service.c: line 459 (nm_vpn_se [09:11] rvice_stage3_connect_cb): assertion failed: (service != NULL)" [09:12] the problem is that line 459 has no assertion [09:12] and ha nothing to do with the service code === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] ahh, nm, its in NetworkManager, they have the exact same file names, so I got confused === TLE [n=kenneth@cinf166.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@137.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] wintermu1e: :) === proppy [n=proppy@free2.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu__ [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] soren: how do I find what compile time options were used in the ubuntu/debian builds? === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] wintermu1e: You could look at the build logs on launchpad? [09:32] hiya === proppy hugs dholbach === dholbach hugs proppy back [09:33] hmm, where are the build logs? [09:34] wintermu1e: click "show publishing history", then click the version number you want. [09:35] See you later === paran [n=paran@cl-56.sto-01.se.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] hmm, don't see "show publishing history", I'm looking at the project page [09:39] wintermu1e: Don't. Look at the package page. [09:39] wintermu1e: Which package is it? [09:39] NetworkManager [09:39] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager [09:42] hmm, ok I'm there, but I don't see where the logs are [09:43] cuz that would make sennse [09:43] click on show publishing history [09:43] yeah, did that and selected the version I wanted [09:43] you now see a list of packages built and platforms [09:43] click on your platform to retrieve the logs [09:44] yeah, selected the one I wanted from there too [09:44] gutsy i386? [09:44] feisty, don't see anything about arch though === fabo [i=fabo@fon38-2-82-225-46-230.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] ahh, got it === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-207-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === printk [n=jayson@cpe-76-185-237-217.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theneb [n=theneb@theneb.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] thanks pwnguin, soren, and superm1. I'll probably be coming back tomorrow, gotta get some sleep. [09:48] night wintermu1e === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74C3C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] I finally beat openssl into submission and got the certs tested/deployed, so I'm going to bed. === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] Good night all. === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] good night and thanks! [10:39] night ScottK [10:42] night ScottK === cormil [i=3eacea15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-17f50797f03dbbd3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host200-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host187-220-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] morning all [10:53] 'ning === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] interesting. im not sure, but i think fedora's technical committee decided to drop all kernel modules not in the tree === apachelogger__ [n=me@N818P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] pwnguin: Do you mean the tree as in mainline kernel [11:04] yea [11:04] Interesting decision. [11:05] im trying to find the discussion [11:05] it was apparently voted 8-1 [11:05] I like what the Ubuntu kernel guys do. Stay close to mainline for the kernel itself, and have another package with extra drivers. [11:05] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-September/msg01949.html [11:06] well [11:06] the extra drivers package is pain and a half [11:06] esp if you need it [11:07] pwnguin: Yeah I am sure it could be annoying for some. [11:07] they use the phrase "add-on" [11:08] but im not sure if they mean "not installed by default" or "maintained out of linus' tree" [11:08] likely the latter [11:09] Getting it all into the mainline kernel certainly does make sense however. [11:09] maybe === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-105.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] their basic theory is that if mainline wont accept it then clearly fedora has no business shipping it [11:10] Right. [11:10] the impression i get is that they wont be pushing things into mainline as much as kicking things out of fedora [11:11] Has Canonical adopted enough DDs lately? [11:12] they havent run out yet? [11:12] Fujitsu: heh [11:12] i figured by now they're down to people in "fuck ubuntu" shirts [11:12] pwnguin: Mhm. [11:14] its a bit silly though === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] pwnguin: How? [11:14] when linus rejects a patch [11:14] Oh, not related, I see... [11:15] his rationale is "go find a distro willing to nuture it for a while" === Kmos [i=d51e5607@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-ee7a125e324e5f8a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] Not Fedora any more, I guess. === pfein_ [n=pfein@126.sub-70-194-42.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] maybe they'll fix tifm [11:16] and i can write to SD again [11:16] how does something like that work in edgy, but not feisty or gutsy? [11:16] Mine has worked since Edgy, died for a while in Feisty, but came back fairly soon. [11:21] I wonder if wacom is in the kernel [11:21] gettext tools are PITA. === minghua just lost some translation work. [11:22] Apparently VCS won't save you if you don't check in. :-( === Fujitsu whispers `Rosetta' === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] so RH used to have the -ac atree [11:23] Hah. At least gettext tools don't have connection problems. ;-) [11:23] *tree* [11:23] norsetto: Hey [11:23] norsetto: How are you ? === norsetto bows to the Most Onourobale Trainer Uats === norsetto always had a problem with the letter h .... [11:25] norsetto: LOL [11:25] norsetto: ack my new mail ? === huats always laught when he sees the funny ideas of norsetto === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] huats: so, how many bugs did you squash today? [11:25] proppy: yes, lets wait unitl the mentor is back from holidays === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] norsetto: unfortunatly none... I am ashamed... I had/still have to be the plumber in the appartement where we are moving on sunday :-( [11:27] huats: ah, a nice apartment with view on the Garonne I hope .... [11:27] norsetto: I see you know my place :-) but you know I know yours too [11:27] huats: or one in Ramonville ..... [11:28] norsetto: amazing [11:28] norsetto: thanks [11:28] norsetto: Was afraid of your spam filter [11:28] norsetto: how many times did you went in Toulouse ??? In fact I was living near ramonville right now, and we are moving to a place next to the garonne (but without the view :-() [11:28] proppy: np, I think it got triggered by the lenght of the email [11:29] huats: quite a lot :-) [11:29] norsetto: I can imagine that... (ok I had a look at your wiki page) [11:30] huats: infact, we even thought about moving there once [11:30] norsetto: hope the later one provide the information you expected [11:30] norsetto: oh really ? that is really a nice place to live [11:30] proppy: yes, spot on [11:31] huats: it is indeed, who knows, maybe one day [11:31] norsetto: :-) [11:31] norsetto: but you are lucky, Rome is also very nice (at least for holidays) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] huats: yes, for holidays [11:32] huats: we are lucky to live in the outskirts, 20 km from downtown ;-) [11:32] Fujitsu, \sh: are any of you working on gajim? [11:33] Nafallo: I was presuming you would. [11:33] norsetto: ok... it is true that the downtime is a little messy :-) but it is also so beautiful.... === cormil [i=3eacea15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-764547ffed81fb84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] Fujitsu: I got a new and damn fast laptop know :-) [11:34] Nafallo: Yay! What kind? [11:34] Fujitsu: I think thats answer enough ;-) [11:34] Fujitsu: Lenovo R61i (NA01FUK) [11:34] Fujitsu: I auth sudo with my fingerprint :-) [11:35] huats: we go there quite often actually, so for us is like if we are on a permanent holiday, but to live there is next to impossible [11:35] norsetto: I can understand that... It is true that we also found it very noisy [11:36] huats: and then there are all the bloody french tourists going around and making a lot of noise complaining about the noise :-) === huats hides [11:37] Nafallo: Ah, nice, I like the R series. [11:37] norsetto: and I was not complaining, I was noticing :-) [11:38] huats: you see, my wife is french so she hates to see french tourists while in Rome (she talks in Roman to me then ...) [11:38] norsetto: to be honnest, I hate to see French people abroad too... [11:40] huats: the funny thing is that she complains because she says French are always complaining when abroad (but I think they complain too when at home....) [11:40] huats: the exact word she uses is "raleurs" ;-) [11:40] norsetto: she is absolutely right.... [11:41] but you are also right.... [11:41] huats: its certainly true about her father :-) === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] :-) === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] norsetto: is you wife "raleuse" as well ? [11:49] s/you/your === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] proppy: not at all actually [11:50] norsetto: she must be half french then :) [11:51] proppy: he, I'm not entirely Italian either (I hate football ....) [11:56] huats: just read your answer in bug 108746 [11:56] Launchpad bug 108746 in efax-gtk "no icon in kde menu" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108746 [11:56] huats: the entry in the menu should be Applications/Network/File Transfer [11:57] norsetto: ok that was my idea... but I'd rather have a confirmation [11:57] huats: "having it patched offline" means with a patch system, I think you are just patching inline (ie. the source directly)? [11:58] norsetto: yep, I've patch the source directly... So you would prefer that I use debian/patches ? [11:59] huats: I prefer it, its much cleaner and traceable yes, and its a good exercise for you too :-) [11:59] norsetto: ok [11:59] norsetto: I will redo it so [12:00] huats: the comment about ~ppa3 wasn't that ~ppa2 is missing, but rather that we should publish it without the ~ppa === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] oh ok [12:01] still the same pb [12:01] I haven't understood the correct way of using the ~ppa for publishing .... [12:02] once I am happy with my ~ppa, I should create one without the ~ppa ? [12:03] huats: or just correct the debdiff [12:03] norsetto: ok === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats is now known as huats_ === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.224.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] c [12:27] oops === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bueroman [n=setanta@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach hugs TheMuso === dholbach hugs huats_ and norsetto too === norsetto hugs back dholbach [12:29] how are y'all doing? [12:30] So there is nobody here who has a MOTU meeting time suggestion? I can't believe nobody really cares. [12:30] dholbach: great! [12:30] dholbach: Well thanks. Just doing some UbuntuStudio bug hunting. :p [12:30] TheMuso: I'd like something that's not too late in the european friday; as I'll be on the road on the WE [12:30] Or should I say, bug fixing. [12:30] TheMuso: but I did not want to get the MOTU Meeting blocked on me [12:31] TheMuso: neat-o - saw a bunch of your uploads [12:31] dholbach: I can understand. [12:31] TheMuso: if you want, I can mention that in a reply to stimulate discussion? [12:31] TheMuso: how are the ubuntustudio people shaping up when it comes to packaging? [12:31] TheMuso: do you think we can recruit a bunch of them? :-) [12:32] dholbach: Well I have two of them as my pupils, one of which I've been working with already. I am trying to encourage them to start diving into the TODO and fixing bugs. [12:33] dholbach: Eventually, our plan is to get all ubuntustudio packagers as MOTUs. (our, being the ubuntustudio team leaders.) [12:33] I've just been appointed packaging lead, so theres a lot of things I want to get sorted out, particularly pushign them towards the MOTU community in general, so that they get more well known. [12:34] TheMuso: they should try to follow the SponsorshipProcess on their own [12:35] dholbach: I'm actually being sponsored to attend UDS in October, and so are some others from the group, so we hope to participate in MOTU discussions, as well as planning of our own. [12:35] TheMuso: that way they get in contact with other MOTUs who will ask them to fix their stuff and they'll benefit from that [12:35] dholbach: Yeah I know, but I'm just encouraging them to do so. [12:35] TheMuso: thanks a lot for that [12:35] TheMuso: if I can help with anything or you have any other ideas, let me know [12:35] dholbach: np. I am well aware that the more wide-spread sponsorship they get, the better their chances. [12:35] it'd be nice to have the full ubuntustudio crew as MOTUs :) [12:36] also: the better their contacts into the ubuntu team and the better the more diverse their packaging knowledge [12:36] Yep, no argument from me there. === dholbach hugs TheMuso [12:36] TheMuso: yes I do care about the MOTU meeting time [12:37] ajmitch: I know you do. Recent regulars are excused. [12:37] ok :) [12:37] :p [12:37] and you know that I support the time you suggested [12:37] ajmitch: Yup. [12:37] I was in the middle of replying to that email earlier when I got distracted by something [12:37] heh I know the feeling. [12:39] back in a bit === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-029-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@59.35.226.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ytojack [n=ytojack@59.35.226.178] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Baby [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.98.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Good morning all. [01:52] Hey ScottK. [01:53] Heya TheMuso === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] Hi ScottK === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-130-161.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK waves === geser waves back [01:56]