=== roger__ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Roge [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === roger_ [n=roger@CPE001346ca56d1-CM00122540214a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.176.142] has joined #ubuntu-server === zul [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === mindframe- [n=mindfram@ip72-207-244-33.br.br.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === slackern [n=slackern@81.94.95.51] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:09] Just curious if anyone know what transfer speeds would be achievable on a Pentium 3 500Mhz with 448mb ram and with 2 3com cards using the 3c905 modules when it's acting as a router and firewall? Would it be able to handle maybe an 80% throughput on a 100mbit connection? === xjdriver69 [n=aaron@pool-71-186-11-46.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:37] that should be possible [04:39] I guess i'll see how well it works, to much work rearranging everything here at home to try the throughput and i can only get around 50mbits downstream from my isp at home at it handled that atleast [04:40] darn [04:40] that is nice [04:40] over here the speeds are no where near that [04:42] Yeah it's quite nice buts it's capped for upstream to around 180k/sec and 55 mbit i only get during late nights, daytime it's around 25-35 but thats good enough, it's darn cheap here through the local cable supplier [04:42] ouch [04:42] on the upstream [04:42] over here we get 256k or above [04:43] oh i ment 180kilobyte/sec not kilobit [04:43] ok [04:43] that is a world of difference [04:43] but still it's not too exciting :) [04:43] only 50KB max here [04:43] no it ain't but it is nicer then us [04:43] wow you must suffer... i hae 64k symetric mostof the time here [04:44] but that is at work [04:44] at home I am on dial up [04:44] hehe, haven't even seen a modem last 10 years i think :) [04:44] isa modem [04:44] :\ [04:44] last time i used on myself was on the amiga :) [04:44] on/one [04:44] why though so old a p3? [04:44] just a 500 [04:45] I mean yea my router/modem here at home is a 450 but for somethign that fast why not a little faster box? [04:45] No money for anything better, and that machine was for free [04:45] mines a 270 (ultrasparc) [04:45] ok [04:45] afk, lunch === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:46] Not sure if it will route anything at all yet since the 100/100 connection has 2 IP's so it might just be standing there as a little simple server for hosting a few webpages and a shell [04:47] wow [04:47] then that should work ok [04:48] of course I got a freebie dual p3 [04:48] nice having later p3's [04:49] http://81.94.95.51:8080/phpsysinfo is the almighty machine :) [04:49] aye can make those boxes run really quiet too, don't need much cooling [04:50] yea [04:50] if I don't quit my job tomorrow then I plan on building a dual 1gig p3 [04:51] hehe talking of dual p3's i need to show some old pics from an old ftp server me and a couple of friends built :) [04:51] ok [04:51] just need to find them, just a minute [04:52] I got a dual p3 733 at work [04:52] 2.8gig of ram [04:52] p III is nice :) [04:52] http://exodus.packetloss.biz/ [04:53] how do yall do the stats page? [04:54] apt-get install phpsysinfo [04:55] ok [04:55] http://81.94.95.51:8080/pics [04:55] finally found them [04:56] oO [04:56] there are actually 2 different setups with a single cpu mb and a dual p3 933 :) [04:57] ok [04:58] on that 500 there is a linksys card in there [04:59] says lite on [04:59] though [04:59] Was a nightmare getting all controller cards working together, put one in and another stopped working, switch places on them and they worked and the 3rd stopped working [04:59] nasty [04:59] aye it's a netgear nic, but it's unused, it got some errors on it for some reason after i was playing with iptables [05:00] that is weird part number LNE100TX is normally linksys [05:00] but ok [05:00] it uses the tulip driver [05:00] ok [05:00] learn something new [05:01] not bad that is a nasty amount of drives [05:02] there was 3 15k scsi drives in there to on that big controllercard to be able to manage uploading to it on 100mbit [05:04] nuts [05:04] 20 drives in total :p [05:06] well won ebay auction for a printer cartridge [05:06] 80$ [05:06] for a 240$ cartridge [05:06] 15K prints [05:07] hehe thats alot of prints [05:07] yea [05:07] upgraded the mem from 32meg to 128 [05:07] haven't had a printer in years, last one was some horrible inkjet thingy that gulped more ink than a truck spends petrol [05:08] oh this is big old network laser [05:09] Was offered on of those HP Laserjet printers that are everywhere but didnt have room for it back then, so darn nice with a laser printer sometimes [05:09] a bunch of scsi drives? [05:10] yea they are [05:10] bunch of scsi drives? [05:10] that looks like a bunch of scsi [05:11] or do I yet again need to go clean my eyes [05:11] ? [05:11] there are 3 or 4 scsi drives on the pictures, you can also see the controller card for them there with the extra ram on it [05:12] it takes me awhile per pic [05:12] oh [05:12] as I don't have that much bandwidth [05:12] oh a slot1 with slotkets [05:12] cool [05:17] There was 2x450 slot1's in it from the start but we managed to get our hands on those 2 socket370's 933Mhz ones instead, they weren't supported if i remember right but it worked fine anyhow [05:18] well if it would do 133mhz on the fsb then yea that would be sweet [05:18] my 933 running on a 100fsb downclocked to 700 [05:19] but worked great [05:19] ahh thats right, they wanted 133 fsb and it wasn't supported but it still ran on it, was so long time ago i barely remember [05:20] cool though [05:20] I bet the jump from 450's to 933's was felt greatly [05:20] I have a single 933 and a single 450 here side by side === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:21] and the difference is more then the double the clock speeds [05:22] oh lord, time flies when you get ambushed by the internet, it's 05:24 i just noticed :p [05:22] yea [05:22] clocks everywhere on the computer but still manage to see it :) [05:22] uhm miss it :p [05:25] nasty [05:28] oh well time to get some sleep or i'll be a zombie later on, good night. [05:35] night === kraut [i=kraut@blackhole.packetloss.biz] has joined #ubuntu-server === PanzerMKZ_ [i=Panzer@04-162.136.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-server === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-server === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-server === nealmc1 [n=neal@c-67-165-213-225.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ICU [n=me@sechzig.dd.ewetel.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === sensei [n=erik@northernmost.org] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:27] I hope you can help, it might be me being lame, or it might be pure magic.. We've got two ubuntu servers which every odd 10 minutes loses connectivity. Can't SSH in, can't ping, nothing.. If I go to the servers, ping an external address, then it works and I can SSH in again for another ten or so minutes.. There's no networkmanager, avahi or anything that could automagically reconfigure anything running. I suspected the e100 driver after reading some [09:27] There's an ARP entry in the router for both machines as they boot up, then if I clear the ARP, they don't get a new one [09:27] But if I go in and ping something, it gets one [09:27] and I can connect back in [09:28] Do they have a firewall installed? [09:28] Nops, not yet [09:28] There are other devices in the switch that works, and I tried plugging them into those sockets to rule out the switch [09:29] Your post comment was cut short.. The last bit I got was: "e100 driver after reading some" [09:29] Your [09:29] gah.. [09:29] Your *first* comment was... [09:29] some negative comments on it on mailing lists, so I put a realtek basedcard in there, but got the same result [09:29] Ah, ok. [09:30] That's interesting. [09:30] dmesg doesn't show any "lost link" or something like that either, LEDs on the NIC glows and blinks, but there's just nothing going through them [09:30] Indeed :) If it wasn't for the deadline, I'd be thrilled [09:31] No, it smells like it just doesn't respond to arp requests at all. [09:31] Indeed [09:33] Is this a reasonably fresh install? [09:33] Or have you done a lot of tweaking of it? [09:33] As of 6pm yesterday [09:34] That's pretty fresh :) [09:34] No tweaking yet, this happened straight after install as well, so I apt-got all the updates available, but it keeps doing it [09:34] Indeed :) [09:34] You could try looking at a tcpdump to see if it ever actually receives any arp requests. [09:36] Oh, hang on. [09:36] That's a good idea. I was also thinking about putting a laptop up on the same IP, to see if that one dies as well [09:36] Is it at all possible that there might be another machine on the network with the same ip? [09:37] Namely one that doesn't respond to ping or ssh or anything? === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:39] soren: Not really, no. [09:39] And that'd give us an ARP entry, just the wrong one, wouldn't it? :) [09:40] True. === MenZa [n=you@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:47] This is indeed a tricky one :/ === nijaba [n=nbarcet@unaffiliated/nijaba] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:04] Running tcpdump now, waiting for it to fail [10:17] soren: There is definitely ARP traffic going, both who-has and replies [10:17] Considerably more who-has than replies, but to be honest, I'm not overly sure what's normal when it comes to ARP [10:18] Ah, 'reply' is when something is asking the machine and who-has is an outgoing query, so that'd be normal then [10:19] Well, yes. [10:19] But you'd also see the requests *to* the machine and the responses from it. [10:21] What would that look like ? [10:40] Noooooooooooooooooo [10:41] Customer has come back and said that if there will be further delays, they want to go ahead with RH [10:41] I feel defeated :( [10:42] I hate this, it's like watching a whole series without seeing the last episode === pschulz01 [n=pschulz0@ubuntu/member/pschulz01] has joined #ubuntu-server === YourMomsHero [n=cirish@ip24-251-191-203.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:41] sensei: Does it actually work with rh? [11:43] soren: Don't know yet, I can let you know once we've reinstalled if you're interested :) [11:46] sensei: I am. :) === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-server === kimmey2k3 [i=kimmey@juk.se] has joined #Ubuntu-server [11:57] I run Feisty server and its complaining about /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml when I start up. I tried to remove it completely first, that didnt work. Then i reinstalled with apt-get install human-theme and that didnt work neither. Also its no Human-folder in /usr/share/gdm/themes/ - Any that kowns a simple method to fix it? [12:01] kimmey2k3: Try in #ubuntu. This has nothing to do with server stuff. [12:01] Ok :) === kimmey2k3 [i=kimmey@juk.se] has left #Ubuntu-server [] [12:05] Where do I find the PDF of the Ubuntu server guide? [12:12] pschulz01: First hit: http://www.google.dk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu+server+guide+pdf :) [12:13] soren: Thanks.. I was just about to fire up svn. [12:13] pschulz01: :) [12:13] np === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === nijaba [n=nbarcet@unaffiliated/nijaba] has joined #ubuntu-server === nijaba [n=nbarcet@unaffiliated/nijaba] has joined #ubuntu-server === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-55-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.98.124] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:08] moin === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-server === sommer [n=sommer@192.154.64.85] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:39] morning === PanzerMKZ [i=Panzer@07-071.136.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === tck [n=tck@194.125.21.145] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:37] 83 minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting === paradizelost [n=paradize@mail.telservcommunications.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:47] hey all, i'm trying to install 6.06 server on a proliant ml350g5, and i press "english" "US English" and it just sits there [03:49] hello? [03:49] be patient [03:50] in answer to your question: if you press alt+f4, what sort of output do you see? === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has left #ubuntu-server [] [03:51] it keeps scrolling about a usb being connected and then disconnected over and over and over [03:52] do you have any usb devices plugged in? [03:52] nope [03:52] and don't intend to [03:52] i started up this time with noapic, should i turn acpi off? === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:53] i'm wondering if you shoudl disable usb [03:53] iirc theres an option for it [03:53] nouhci probably === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === gamble6x [i=bbg@gateway/tor/x-e2ff896a6c3a5929] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:11] looks like possibly an issue with the iLO virtual devices [04:22] hmm no luck [04:22] disabled USB in the bios [04:23] did noapic, nolapic, pci=noacpi, [04:48] 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@ubuntu/member/mathiaz] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:56] See https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/subscriptions for server ISO testing registrations [04:57] lots of people signed up for i386, less for amd64 and sparc === coffeedude [n=AD\gcart@216.254.62.194] has joined #ubuntu-server === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:25] !vmware [05:25] VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers === ivoks [n=ivoks@2-47.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === wolfeySI [n=wolfey@wolfey.si] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:45] hello i again corrupted something with old configs, how to get default config for mysql-server back ? [05:45] please:) [05:46] purge old mysql :) [05:46] and install it again [05:46] that doesnt seem to work [05:46] do i need to delete /var/lib/mysql too? :( [05:47] what doesn't work? [05:48] it doesnt give me default /etc/mysql back [05:48] apt-get --purge remove mysql-server? [05:48] yes [05:48] i do that and install back [05:48] still no /etc/mysql [05:48] did you remove mysql-server-5.0? [05:48] YES [05:48] ahh no [05:49] my.cnf is part of mysql-common [05:49] so, you should remove libmysqlclient15off mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 [05:49] it told me i need to apt-get autoremove [05:50] to remove the rest you listed here [05:50] do apt-get --purge auto-remove [05:50] do apt-get --purge autoremove === coffeedude_ [n=coffeedu@216.254.62.194] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:53] fuck [05:53] this is all messed up [05:53] why is ubuntu so hard at this things [05:54] http://wolfey.si/test/mysql.txt [05:54] i get zillion of errors at this [05:54] you removed configs by hand [05:55] i wish this ubuntu would stop trying to be smart === mdz [n=mdz@adsl-75-20-204-164.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:56] ivoks: SO WHAT THE HELL CAN I DO NOW [05:56] Hi, I took the engine out of my 1972 Chevy Impala and put it in my 2002 Toyota Camry and the exhaust ports aren't lining up. Why doesn't Toyota just play nice? [05:56] ivoks: FORMAT PARTITION AND INSTALL UBUNTU AGAIN? ;) [05:56] wolfeySI: do we need to go over how to ask questions nicely in IRC again? [05:57] i'm asking nicely [05:57] i'm just a bit nervous nothing works on server [05:57] if that's nice, then my answer is 'buy a support' [05:58] is this so hard to ask: what to do to erase all mysql, let it forget it ever was installed and install back? [05:58] you should remove packages, not config files [05:58] wolfeySI: People here really do try to help even if it may not feel like it at the moment. [05:58] ScottK: i purged mysql.. however after install it says it cant configure itself [05:58] since you removed config files by hand, you have to reinstall packages which contain them [05:59] there is a force install for apt [05:59] i would do apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common [05:59] wolfeySI: Listen to ivoks. [05:59] apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common [05:59] sorry [05:59] nice, copy paste... :) [05:59] sudo rm -rf / [05:59] :D [06:00] lol [06:00] ivoks: i'm already root [06:00] did you reinstall mysql-common? [06:00] doesnt help [06:00] apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common [06:01] * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ] [06:01] * /etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz [06:01] so you've deleted that also by hand [06:01] ok... [06:02] go to /var/cache/apt/archives/ [06:03] dpkg --force-confmiss mysql-common mysql-server-5.0 [06:03] uff.. -i [06:03] dpkg --force-confmiss -i mysql-common mysql-server-5.0 [06:03] wait i seriously purged all mysql dependant things now [06:03] and put *.deb behind name of the package [06:04] ahh still same [06:04] hopefully, you have only one deb for each :) [06:04] nope [06:04] root@x235:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg --force-confmiss -i mysql-common.deb mysql-server-5.0.deb [06:04] dpkg: error processing mysql-common.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory [06:05] dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory [06:05] 18:03 < ivoks> and put *.deb behind name of the package [06:05] not .deb [06:05] *.deb [06:05] geez [06:06] okey thx ivoks [06:06] np [06:08] * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ] [06:08] * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [fail] [06:08] did you change anything in my.cnf? [06:09] you know you shouldn't change it? [06:09] there is conf.d directory in /etc/mysql/ [06:09] all your configs should go there [06:09] The files in there must have a .cnf extension! [06:09] Very important, hard learned lesson there :) === coffeedude [n=coffeedu@216.254.62.194] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:10] right [06:10] ivoks: i didnt change anything this time [06:10] wolfeySI: check /var/log/daemon.log [06:10] there should be some info about problems [06:10] soren: An RH box on the same IP in the same port on the switch worked just fine [06:11] (and a laptop running windows XP) [06:11] sensei: nothing else changed? Not even a network cable? [06:11] soren: The environment is identical [06:12] craptastic [06:12] Flushed the ARP for the entire rack after we'd established that it worked, and it picked up a new entry pretty much straight away [06:12] soren: what's the problem? [06:13] A machine that seemed to not respond to arp requests. [06:13] You can take a peek at the channel log about 9 hours ago. [06:15] oh... meeting :/ [06:15] sorry, i forgot [06:15] again :/ [06:16] okey one problem [06:16] i want to keep my old database [06:16] but now new ubuntu script is complaining [06:16] /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed [06:16] error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' [06:17] so to what this user must have access? [06:17] for upgrades of mysql [06:18] grant all on *.* ? [06:18] or what [06:18] soren: um... where are logs? :) [06:18] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [06:19] wolfeySI: yes [06:19] i need new pair of eyes :D [06:21] finally thx God and you guys [06:21] sensei: what ubuntu version is that? === dantalizing [n=dan@n128-227-98-239.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-server === dantalizing is now known as dantalizing_away [06:24] ivoks: 7.04 I think [06:27] can i just turn off this debian mysql startup thin === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.116.96] has joined #ubuntu-server === YourMomsHero [n=cirish@74.202.196.195] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:40] very strange [06:41] sensei: if router doesn't have arp for those computers, then it's router's fault === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:41] router should return who-has answer to client [06:41] it would be great if you could debug router [06:42] i guess you could on some [06:42] i have Linksys WRT54GL... since i can install non-cisco firmware, you could [06:42] power of linux [06:43] thx guys.. new server works so much better than old [06:43] and all data and most of config safely copied [06:43] :) [06:44] wolfeySI: You seem to have things working again, what was the change that made it work for you? You seem to have went from Start: FAIL to asking about db's so I am just curious . . . [06:44] before poor pentium 3 600 mhz tried to work.. now xeon 2.4 [06:44] mralphabet: mm my old my.cnf and new ubuntu mysql my.cnf had mysql.sock in different directories [06:44] so mysql start failed [06:44] that was most of the problem [06:45] took me a while [06:45] so it said mysql.sock does not exist, but i cant bind to port 3306 [06:45] that told me in /var/log/daemon.log === lafuma [n=lafuma@ip74.cab53.mus.starman.ee] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:46] hey, does anyone use ISPconfig ? [06:47] i tried to install it... realized it's pointless [06:47] why is that ? [06:48] easier to do everything just manually ? [06:48] well main reason was, that compile failed [06:48] now i know i should do apt-get install build-essential [06:48] but then i didnt [06:49] okay [06:49] lafuma: now i come here crying to help cause my perfect config from old ubuntu didnt work on new [06:49] :) [06:49] and these guys think i should use new configs:) [06:49] hehee [06:49] but that means work that i did a year ago [06:49] :) [06:49] just go with the old one ;) [06:49] yes;) [06:49] less headache [06:49] oh well... [06:49] there was some:) [06:50] apache2.2 seems to be a bit different than 2.0 [06:50] what are you running ? [06:50] on your server [06:50] apache, mysql, postfix, courier [06:50] nice [06:50] maybe you can somewhat help me [06:50] i have to set up damn 30-40 mail accounts on postfix [06:50] on 5 different domains [06:50] never touched that thing [06:51] well i did it mostly according to http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ [06:51] i skipped some antispam things i dont think are worth my pain === gamble6x is now known as gamble|backcrak [06:51] this tutorial does with mysql user database and 'virtual' mail boxes [06:51] and imap [06:51] yeah, nowadays mail clients have spam filters built in ;) [06:51] nice [06:52] thats exactly what i need [06:52] dunno how updated it is [06:52] wolfeySI: that's not what we said [06:52] but... it worked for me (with some trial and error) [06:52] i've said you shouldn't touch my.cnf [06:52] ivoks: you said i'm impolite to you [06:52] :) [06:52] 2006 end [06:52] and put your config in conf.d/ [06:52] files in conf.d overwrite configs set by my.cnf [06:53] ivoks: i'll do that in a year when disk dies [06:53] : [06:53] :) [06:53] just don't come here again when upgrade of mysql overwrites default my.cnf [06:53] :) [06:53] ivoks: but is it just my impression [06:53] or gentoo is actually easier to configure than ubuntu? [06:54] cause gentoo doesnt try to be smart in debian-way [06:54] i'ts hard when you force logicA on logicB [06:54] that's why there are so many windowse users, while linux is much better [06:54] it seems problem with binary distributions... if you dont do it their way, they are angry [06:54] if you understand debian logic, you will find benefits of it [06:55] that's why i left fedora world forever and switched to gentoo for my home pc [06:55] tell me, what happens when you upgrade mysql on gentoo? [06:55] and there are some changes in my.cnf [06:55] you get two files [06:55] it asks me what to do [06:55] and you should manually pick new things from new my,cnf [06:56] on ubuntu, if you put you my.cnf in conf.d, no one asks you anything, and everything works [06:56] oh now i remember where i was mosty angry at ubuntu [06:57] ubuntu by default blocks cups web interface, cause i should do it from gnome?! [06:57] i had to find out to which group user must be added [06:57] so i could use web interface [06:57] that's not true? [06:57] it is [06:57] at least for admin part [06:57] i'm in ubuntu printing team :) [06:57] by default you cant log in as cups admin [06:57] wolfeySI: That's probably just a side effect of Ubuntu changing CUPS to not run as Root. That IMO was a very good decision from a security perspective. [06:58] as on any distribution, users in lpadmin group have all the rights [06:58] ivoks: root doesnt [06:58] that troubled me [06:58] oh and one another [06:58] if i'm in Xwin... and i in console 'su root' [06:58] root also [06:58]