[02:51] <bddebian> Heya
[10:31] <raymondjtoth> hi any one here good with edubuntu
[10:31] <raymondjtoth> need some help please
[03:01] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:22] <sbalneav> Hey, ogra, you got one of q-funk's thincans?
[03:22] <ogra> yep
[03:23] <ogra> two actually
[03:23] <ogra> shall i bring them to boston ?
[03:23] <sbalneav> Man, I've been trying to figure out why the &^@$# xserver-xorg-video-amd driver segfaults on autodetect.
[03:24] <sbalneav> oh, no! How come?
[03:24] <sbalneav> Still oversized?
[03:25] <ogra> no, udeb broken
[03:25] <ogra> :(
[03:26] <sbalneav> hum.
[03:27] <ogra> yeah
[03:27] <ogra> no fun
[03:27] <sbalneav> I can't seem to figure out a way to narrow down where exactly the drivers crashing.  I've installed the xserver-xorg-core-dbg and -amd-dbg packages, but when it crashes, I still get no useful symbols
[03:28] <ogra> meh
[03:28] <ogra> asked bryce ?
[03:28] <sbalneav> just a hex offset within the driver.
[03:29] <sbalneav> I did.  He just pointed me at the "debuggingXorg" page, which was useless, because it assumes xorg is running, so you can do either a gdb attach or strace attach to it.
[03:29] <sbalneav> this case is different, since xorg doesn't run for long, and when it segfaults, it dies completely.
[03:29] <sbalneav> 'cuz we're just doing a -configure.
[03:30] <sbalneav> I'm going to idle in xorg-devel today, see if I can spot keithp, and see if he can give me some ideas.
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya
[05:26] <j0ebake1> I downloaded the daily desktop image yesterday 9/25/2007 and booted it as a LiveCD.  The Applications menu didn't work.
[05:27] <j0ebake1> Actually none of the menus worked.
[05:27] <j0ebake1> I could right click on the "Install" icon but the "open" option didn't work.
[05:27] <j0ebake1> I suppose it is better to get tribe5 then install, then update packages?
[05:28] <ogra> j0ebake1, can you note your findings on https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Edubuntu ?
[05:29] <j0ebake1> thanks
[05:29] <ogra> it actually should have worked ... (it worked fine here during my test in a virtualbox VM)
[05:33] <joebob777as7> ogra, i'm getting reports of log out issues for the server i set up for my office.. had any issues? they say when they click the log out button it doesn't do anything
[05:54] <j0ebake1> I burned 2 cds yesterday of that image.  I threw them away.  I'm trying it within a QEMU vm.  Maybe it was a CD issue.
[09:13] <Meshezabeel> heya, just wondering if Edubuntu would consider including a java program as one of its included applications?
[09:17] <ogra> Meshezabeel, i guess thats possible if it works with the free java
[09:17] <Meshezabeel> na, mainly with sun java as it needs swing etc.
[09:18] <ogra> icedtea will likely be included in gutsy so it will be the default on the CD in hardy
[09:18] <ogra> icedtea is the free sun java
[09:18] <ogra> the new one :)
[09:18] <Meshezabeel> oh ok :)
[09:19] <ogra> not sure about swing though ...
[09:19] <Meshezabeel> guess it depends what portions sun has open sourced ;)
[09:20] <RichEd> hi ogra ...
[09:20] <RichEd> & Meshezabeel
[09:21] <RichEd> ogra: how's the beta testing looking ?
[09:21] <ogra> bad
[09:21] <ogra> we're far behind, all others are done so far
[09:21] <Meshezabeel> Heya RichEd
[09:21] <ogra> i'm waiting for a test install of the latest iso to finish in virtualbox
[09:22] <ogra> we didnt have one yet that survived the whole install
[09:22] <RichEd> major problems or just itty bitty buggy bits ?
[09:23] <ogra> major probs
[09:23] <RichEd> :(
[09:24] <ogra> the installer fixes i did to ltsp are majorly broken ... what works in a test environment doesnt necessarily need to work in the installer :(
[09:24] <ogra> all i could do was to disable them piece by piece when i hit them
[09:25] <ogra> the current state is that we have two progress bars in the ltsp portion of the installer where the user sees 0% for 10 mins and then it goes on
[09:25] <ogra> that was the best i could do
[09:25] <ogra> will need fixage next week
[09:25] <ogra> (a lot of unplanned extra work :( )
[09:26] <RichEd> can you still get fixes in in between beta and final for that sort of thing ?
[09:26] <ogra> for that sort i have to
[09:27] <ogra> or drop out ltsp
[09:27] <ogra> there were far more issues ... i'll list everything in the meeting
[09:27] <RichEd> okay.
[09:27] <Meshezabeel> cool, the icedtea looks pretty cool, sounds like swing is now working in it more or less too
[09:28] <ogra> the prob was that the isos were completely broken for two weeks due to ernel stuff and openoffice being broken so there was not much testing
[09:28] <Meshezabeel> what time is the meeting?
[09:28] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[09:28] <RichEd> 32 mins
[09:28] <ogra> (~30 min)
[09:29] <Meshezabeel> ok :)
[09:30] <Meshezabeel> the calendar meeting times at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event don't seem to show up properly at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event ... sigh, have no choice but to use IE right now
[09:31] <stgraber> ogra: have you tested the latest edubuntu server builds ?
[09:31] <ogra> stgraber, still running ... i'm not at the critical part yet
[09:31] <stgraber> ogra: 81% of system install here, ltsp is next
[09:31] <ogra> i only have a virtualbox here ytm
[09:31] <ogra> that takes its time ...
[09:31] <stgraber> ogra: we are 4 testing it on #ubuntu-testing (2xi386 and 2xamd64)
[09:31] <ogra> oh, supercool !!!
[09:32] <ogra> i'm at 85% here
[09:32] <ogra> Meshezabeel, there is an ical file that evolution imports fine ;)
[09:33] <stgraber> ogra: no way a VB beats my real HW :)
[09:33] <ogra> heh, no
[09:33] <ogra> hey, i'm at "Please wait ..." :)
[09:34] <stgraber> :)
[09:40] <stgraber> ogra: I'm at the interesting part (Building Thin Client System)
[09:40] <ogra> here too
[09:40] <ogra> you wont see any progress output ...
[09:40] <ogra> but it should switch to (compressing thin client image) half way
[09:40] <stgraber> indeed, I'm following the install using tty4
[09:41] <ogra> and more important it should finish
[09:41] <stgraber> hehe, that'd be a good thing yes :)
[09:42] <RichEd> [09:47] <RichEd> kgoetz, karl, kamping_kaiser, small kangeroo icon and now Bambi_BOFH ?
[09:47] <Meshezabeel> there's no #ubuntu_meeting
[09:48] <ogra> typo
[09:48] <Meshezabeel> lol
[09:48] <ogra> - not _
[09:48] <stgraber> ogra: correctly switched to compressing
[09:48] <ogra> good
[09:48] <Meshezabeel> there we go, tx :)
[09:48] <ogra> the only scary part now is the updating of inetd.conf
[09:48] <ogra> thats at the very end
[09:50] <RichEd> [09:50] <stgraber> argh, this computer is slow at compressing :) Looks like I'm getting used to Core2Duo and mksquashfs use of SMP
[09:50] <ogra> heh
[09:51] <stgraber> installing grub
[09:51] <ogra> i was considering to use prebuild images but thats to big on CDs
[09:51] <ogra> can you keep the log ?
[09:51] <stgraber> yes, I should be able to scp it somewhere
[09:52] <ogra> hmm, i dont have the "compressing ..." screen
[09:52] <ogra> just blue
[09:53] <ogra> but the (virtual) disk is rattling at least
[09:53] <stgraber> ogra: http://www.stgraber.org/download/edubuntu-syslog
[09:53] <ogra> wow, 2.31M
[09:53] <stgraber> it's 2MB large mainly due to mksquashfs flood
[09:54] <ogra> yeah
[09:54] <ogra> that'll be suppressed completely in the final iso
[09:54] <ogra> ah, wow, that log looks sweet
[09:55] <ogra> all errors i've seen before the fix are gone
[09:55] <ogra> hooray !!!
[09:57] <stgraber> I'll quickly reboot my laptop and use it at thin client, be back for the meeting
[09:59] <stgraber> ogra: looks like network interfaces aren't set correctly
[09:59] <stgraber> ogra: so dhcp wasn't able to start
[09:59] <ogra> hmm
[10:00] <stgraber> (/etc/network/interfaces is about eth0 and eth1 when my system has eth2 and eth3)
[10:00] <ogra> oh crap
[10:00] <stgraber> but I remember that we have a similar bug with some other ISO too
[10:00] <ogra> that sounds like they get dynamically named
[10:01] <ogra> likely udev's fault
[10:01] <stgraber> maybe something wrong with udev and interface naming
[10:01] <ogra> heh
[10:01] <ogra> yeah
[10:01] <ogra> stgraber, you know whats really bad ? ltsp-update-sshkeys requires an update-image run
[10:01] <ogra> even though ....
[10:02] <ogra> heh ... well, the IP should be right
[10:02] <stgraber> yes
[10:02] <stgraber> I just manually set the IP and run dhcp
[10:02] <stgraber> client is booting now
[10:02] <ogra> lets see if you can log in
[10:02] <stgraber> syntax error lts.conf line 18
[10:03] <stgraber> (or 12, was only on screen for 1/2s)
[10:03] <ogra> hrm
[10:03] <ogra> lts.conf is empty
[10:03] <ogra> full of comments though
[10:03] <stgraber> it's 18
[10:03] <stgraber> btw, I've got "isn't authorized"
[10:03] <ogra> likely the last line
[10:04] <ogra> yeah, sshkey is wrong
[10:04] <ogra> crap
[10:05] <stgraber> /etc/ssh/known_hosts is about 172.16.1.2 (internet IP) and "edubuntu"
[10:05] <stgraber> nothing about 192.168.0.254
[10:05] <ogra> yeah
[10:06] <ogra> a glitch in the udeb i just found
[10:06] <ogra> we need to configure the interface first
[10:06] <ogra> we'd never ever had probs with sshkeys if it would have been this order from the beginning, argh
[10:07] <stgraber> ok, rebooting so I have irssi on a bigger screen :)
[10:07] <JordanC> Hey guys :)
[10:12] <RichEd> hi JordanC ... most people are in the meeting
[10:12] <JordanC> Sorry, i'll retort
[10:14] <JordanC> Also, if you can please support us in #opencurriculum too
[10:14] <JordanC> Thanks !
[10:15] <RichEd> JordanC: join the ubuntu-education mailing list and channel and announce that there ?
[10:16] <JordanC> Sure, thanks a lot